< 1422748827 343588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is impossible to force order in general unless your string starts with a special position marker. < 1422748832 34011 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... I see. < 1422748860 821002 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like my BF or MNNBFSL thue interpreter would by necessity be deterministic. < 1422748879 570552 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't think of that at all. < 1422748887 622350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422749027 691908 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great! then I can use a deterministic implementation of Thue to implement my Markov Alg BCT code. < 1422749341 976207 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422750936 217274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: You could classify a (deterministic) Turing machine to be a deterministic string-rewriting thing, if you consider the tape as a string (with the position of the head indicated as a special symbol, carrying the state along), and the transition function a set of rewrite rules. < 1422750945 724628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, you have state set Q and tape alphabet T, so think of rewriting a (Q union T)*, and if there's a transition (q, t) -> (q', t', Right) then let there be a rewrite rule from "q t" to "t' q'" and so on. < 1422750950 350056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Add some seasoning to make the tape grow as necessary.) < 1422751125 68796 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Watching the code running, it looks like it too. The whole sweeping back and forth looks familiar too. < 1422751234 210390 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first thought that Tag systems were closer to what string wrting is, but I'm realizing that's wrong. < 1422751365 623818 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I'm realizing that I still won't be able to extend the esointerpreters chain. < 1422751395 875267 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDammit, what dthe hell is Zetaplex anyway? < 1422751518 235202 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1422753439 593750 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422753657 186181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 62 < 1422753658 10168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 62: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1422754148 266081 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:nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1422755803 283502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How is that? < 1422755850 301752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the log wasn't up to date < 1422755860 917140 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422755939 936270 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422756800 837552 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1422757145 923593 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422757336 937922 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422758265 750837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Najt < 1422758711 517121 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422759738 786461 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1422762391 808193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG 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:weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1422783048 657323 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1422783130 789127 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everybody. Noob question about halting problem. Am I right that it's easy to detect infinite loops in TM LBA using TM LBA with bigger tape (just to write down all states and find out if one is repeating)? If so, does it mean that halting problem exist only for TM with infinite tape? < 1422784204 58676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1422784221 962193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1422784228 522526 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no LBA that determines whether any LBA halts, so in another sense, no < 1422784238 518808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1422784244 5784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok by precisely I meant close enough < 1422784253 179243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to read questions more closely in future :p < 1422784260 643350 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Clearly, an unbounded Turing machine can determine whether any LBA halts.) < 1422784403 368393 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This page irritates me. See if you can guess why by about half way down the page. http://www.stencyl.com/ < 1422784568 58066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, like Scratch < 1422784782 435710 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but bigger LBA with sufficient tape? why not? if we've got toy-level CPU with tiny registers and memory, it's easy to detect infinite loop in it and stop < 1422785076 61287 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's easy to run something on that toy CPU and wait for halt or for infitie loop detection and all that in finite time. if to track toy CPU state on the CPU with larger RAM. < 1422785368 714932 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: scratch is cool, but it's totally coding ... < 1422785382 304186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: yeah but coding is a scary word < 1422785391 869233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing drag-drop fill-in stuff is nothing like the typical conception of "writing code" < 1422785407 674764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's fine. it's making it accessible to people who would be turned off by the idea of coding < 1422785559 561066 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are probably just annoyed because it's ripping off tried-and-true visual programming interfaces seen in LabView, Alice and other highly successful and productive systems < 1422785665 714630 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, it was just the 'Make games with no coding!' then pictures of code. < 1422785743 834608 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: usually the halting problem is phrased as: is there one machine M that determines whether any (suitably encoded) input machine halts < 1422785789 211018 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there is no single LBA that works for all LBAs, this version of the halting problem is unsolvable < 1422785924 656718 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add more memory to your LBA after you know the input size, but that just turns your LBA into a sort of Turing machine, so it's not very interesting < 1422786187 776312 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that "writing down all states" doesn't work since it doesn't use linear space, but you can probably use Floyd's or Brent's cycle detection methods. < 1422786695 443239 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-profit organisation name of the day http://www.astronauts4hire.org < 1422786699 920613 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422786724 270796 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422786768 91302 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1422787677 35011 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422787763 638539 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422788584 156781 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1422788636 633337 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1422788636 777768 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1422788971 652512 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1422789022 977559 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1422789034 182910 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1422790904 230298 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422791448 252828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1422791611 953168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hi everybody. Noob question about halting problem. Am I right that it's easy to detect infinite loops in TM LBA using TM LBA with bigger tape (just to write down all states and find out if one is repeating)? If so, does it mean that halting problem exist only for TM with infinite tape? < 1422791721 682972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell PinealGlandOptic If you consider how that interacts with the proof of the halting problem, that is the essence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_hierarchy_theorem < 1422791721 827764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1422791758 119774 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1422791858 13748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell PinealGlandOptic basically, since a TM with (enough) more space can decide the halting problem for one with less, they cannot be the same computational class. < 1422791858 158633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1422791959 411832 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422791967 883499 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422792826 710908 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422793259 176667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and darths & droids are right right back at confounding reader expectations again < 1422793265 286593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-right < 1422793299 943086 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1422793358 841428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1422793374 344072 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1422794407 347486 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422794770 176095 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving JOIN :#esoteric < 1422795195 254523 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422796618 573816 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422797937 979464 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1422797957 263053 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1422797974 235262 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1422797974 380219 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1422798450 713462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it's possible to write a program that might use infinite space for certain inputs < 1422798469 602602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Examples of Winter Sports activities not covered are: -- Use of Skeletons" < 1422798504 650903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, duh? < 1422798519 245943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not about arbitrary programs. < 1422798599 375357 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1422798674 264682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1422798695 241117 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the space is finite, it is decidable < 1422798713 867981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the time would be exponential/superexponential probably < 1422799049 942890 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1422800332 118010 :shikhin_!~shikhin@120.57.228.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422800336 672861 :shikhin_!~shikhin@120.57.228.224 QUIT :Changing host < 1422800336 817589 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422800512 605461 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1422800670 425990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf mission accomplished *MWAHAHAHA* < 1422800670 570619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1422800696 928451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ghc 7.10 is being delayed, partly due to the bugs we found) < 1422800793 531841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a new Prelude sounds interesting < 1422800805 324222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1422800945 991823 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still hoping for the AMP to be in full effect. < 1422800972 643463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the AMP is in much question < 1422801018 225083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the removel of the haskell2010 and haskell98 packages show, it had to be done entirely or not at all. < 1422801021 815739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1422801096 149180 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramovel. < 1422801107 143199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1422801114 10003 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rasmovel. < 1422801130 347808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that means something in russian. < 1422801164 259001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's actually pronounced like rasmavyel < 1422801223 824173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. GT isn't very helpful hth < 1422801250 50622 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, we're overdue for a new Prelude. < 1422801290 537091 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the Prelude gets refactored, is that gonna obsolete what few good guides are already out there for Haskell? < 1422801311 161560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suggests растовел but has no actual meaning for it < 1422801369 270772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: probably, but many of them were obsolete already. < 1422801386 65242 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true. I know RWH is getting a bit long in tooth already. < 1422801390 314676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the BBP is supposed to be pretty backwards-compatible except for some type ambiguities. < 1422801447 105963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like that the neighbor's dog is occasionally barking again. < 1422801460 219957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _constantly_ like the first months, but still... < 1422801480 432744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's not the start of a slippery slope < 1422801492 660374 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a well oiled dog barks best. < 1422801527 314819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the BBP has been so well designed to be backwards compatible that many of the suggestions for how to partially backpedal on it will break _more_ code than it. < 1422801566 469561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, as edwardk has repeatedly mentioned, a _lot_ of packages have already been adapted to it. < 1422801645 663908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's definitely in "even if it went too far in one step, going back is now even worse" territory. < 1422801780 148704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1422801809 186398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this BBP? < 1422801884 570288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the Burning Bridges Proposal, implemented in the upcoming 7.10 release candidate, adds Foldable and Traversable to the Prelude and generalizes most functions in the Prelude to the functions of the same name in Data.Foldable and Data.Traversable < 1422801896 190453 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :mhi^_^ < 1422801900 142734 :mhi^_^!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1422801925 840349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah! < 1422801944 874788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapM < 1422801945 867290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1422801955 167268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Traversable.mapM < 1422801956 256343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Traversable t, Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b) < 1422801971 205415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they made Monad dependent on Applicable now < 1422801976 527188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even functions like sum and product are affected < 1422801983 594685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1422801996 329726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have type defaults that default to list? < 1422802022 261183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that's possibly the main non-backwards-compatible issue < 1422802038 737816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1422802100 552961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if the ghc defaulting mechanism supports * -> * kind defaults < 1422802137 823895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even if it doesn't no, maybe they'll change that? I mean, they're extending the type system all the tiem < 1422802276 479286 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1422802343 937044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem like something that shouldn't be too hard to do < 1422802591 611769 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1422802600 79197 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it called the Burning Bridges Proposal < 1422802723 747185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it changes a lot of the haskell Prelude module, which is usually considered part of the language itself. < 1422802790 275248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's sort of a "we're already modifying the Prelude incompatibly by making Applicative a superclass of Monad, why not go all in" < 1422802877 533483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original proposal was supposedly even more radical, in a less backward-compatible way < 1422802897 997557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. in the end they did not merge map and fmap) < 1422803550 963047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, like changing (.) to be an alias to fmap ? < 1422803567 270303 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (++) to, um, mplus or whatever it is? < 1422803589 465819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they wouldn't change (.) to that, seeing as Control.Category uses it in a way incompatible to fmap < 1422803599 982027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ++ was considered < 1422803609 992123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1422803625 812858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (Control.Category..) < 1422803626 694140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category cat => cat b c -> cat a b -> cat a c < 1422803694 932603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the generalization of ++, mappend, has the alternative name <> now. < 1422803707 201417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for quite some time) < 1422803755 951192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they probably also included Monoid in the Prelude, it's needed for Foldable to be defined. < 1422803779 666329 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid is pretty much harmless. < 1422803787 509064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1422804513 666537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, mappend < 1422804941 721827 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SPECIFIC CHICKEN < 1422805288 939049 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1422805307 391990 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422805762 970744 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1422805824 303733 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422806605 126020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422807100 202007 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422807270 960989 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422807453 136439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1422807459 608809 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1422807499 209312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Honestly? The Prelude is just the set of stuff in scope by default. If the entire prelude consisted of one function that drew an ASCII fish and nothing else, I could live with that." < 1422807609 714401 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (++) < 1422807609 958426 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.HVect.(++) : 12HVect 13ts -> 12HVect 13us -> 12HVect (13ts 09++ 13us) < 1422807610 103134 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.List.(++) : 12List 13a -> 12List 13a -> 12List 13a < 1422807610 103300 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Strings.(++) : 12String -> 12String -> 12String < 1422807610 103376 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.VectType.Vect.(++) : 12Vect 13m 13a -> 12Vect 13n 13a -> 12Vect (13m 09+ 13n) 13a < 1422807728 716131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: depends on what said function is named < 1422807738 546140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a name that's likely to clash with other things, I might be annoyed < 1422807757 155760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because you can do import Prelude () < 1422808075 990092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this low frequency noise from somewhere in the neigbors' apartments is annoying < 1422808142 288314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's of course strongest precisely where i'm sitting. < 1422808457 421680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1422810529 367657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what type of fish < 1422810577 913790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whether it's one of those crypto-fish in fashion back when the US had those export regulations about software < 1422810602 35233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would get very old fast and show how out-dated language Haskell was < 1422811904 658789 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1422812753 561631 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422812877 394183 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving JOIN :#esoteric < 1422813949 165061 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1422814059 969579 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422814192 351877 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422814709 736163 :arjanb!8259aa3c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422815185 353717 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lord help me, I think I kinda like JavaScript. < 1422815312 674149 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422815635 445930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422815645 960098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422815726 792466 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422816014 118587 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should anything be in scope by default? < 1422816129 316262 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any language? < 1422816270 223023 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generality suggests keeping the base language minimal (like C). Ease of use suggests having lots of default stuff (like Perl). < 1422816338 914008 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a good middle ground is to have a "import basic stuff" line at the top of programs < 1422816506 203921 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what they did in C++ with "using namespace std" < 1422816732 207640 :arjanb!8259aa3c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say import nothing by default, and let an IDE do most of the importing for you < 1422816812 723170 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: It's not worse than PHP or C++... < 1422816859 44561 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think maybe it's also just refreshing to deal with after C# ... < 1422816986 180074 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# has some... problems with syntax < 1422817043 459778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is better than C++ < 1422817130 297652 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I'd rather do C# than C++ or Java, but it's still a question of degrees ... < 1422817260 912181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh come on, import basic stuff is just four lines in C++ < 1422817275 445241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, twenty lines of #include and THEN four lines < 1422817467 959016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ < 1422817535 84525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using std::cerr; using std::abort; using std::swap; using std::move; using std::min; using std::max; using std::abs; using std::sqrt; using std::exp; using std::log; using std::sin; using std::cos; using std::atan2; using std::array; using std::vector; using std::string; using std::unique_ptr; // and that's about it < 1422817614 726478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really long, it is? < 1422817641 718162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need ten more lines of task-specific includes for what you actually want to do < 1422818463 997215 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a #include <> <> <> <>... statement < 1422818572 676986 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was some sort of important handegg game recently < 1422818659 306379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: and a using std::cerr, std::abort, std::swap, std::move, std::min, std::max; statement < 1422818687 724240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god: for 2k15, please make "showing off how little you [pretend to] know about sports" not be the top form of nerd brag any more < 1422818710 215995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how little do you know about sports? < 1422818710 400128 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: alice did not like shaking my head requires more power but the computer, fnord of the fnord here, so i don't see big contradiction: if soviets created < 1422818770 433491 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know a lot about HOCKEY, the only IMPORTANT sport. < 1422818786 450723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's easier here, because we don't have to pretend we know nothing of american football, baseball, basketball and hockey ( http://www.xkcd.com/1107/ ), but only of soccer, handball and water polo. < 1422818855 374993 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada that chart would only include hockey and, in the city, football. < 1422818857 918512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now water polo is played mostly underwater so even the judges know nothing about it and have to guess (but they have to pretend they know everything anyway), and soccer is played on such a large field you and the judges have no hope to see everything, it's not hard to pretend you can't follow them. < 1422819068 553923 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hockey is interesting because it's dominated mostly by American teams, which consist mainly of Canadian players. < 1422819117 477054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: how does that make it interesting or different from other sports? < 1422819124 861531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have crowds of Canadians cheering on Russians as they beat up Canadians < 1422819185 539416 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas in football the teams consist of citizens of the country they represent < 1422819307 615871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: no, that's only the national teams in the championships, and there's one of those only every two years. the normal teams which participate in the leagues are made mostly of foreigner players who can make more of a carrier abroad. < 1422819342 819784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: and that's not even counting people in national teams that are granted citizenship easier just so they can be part of the national soccer team. < 1422819387 837429 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, that's less interesting.... < 1422819390 770331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have many Chinese in European soccer teams yet, but only because they prefer other sports. < 1422819432 749447 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what about south americans? < 1422819443 612284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: A fair few, I think. < 1422819465 353814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: dunno, I don't really follow sports, I'm not the right person to ask about the details < 1422819477 353005 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only follow hockey < 1422819515 420611 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone wants a Brazillian player in soccer. Some of the Brit clubs have paid non-trivial sums to get one ... < 1422819594 345114 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a Brazillian-English bodybuilder by way of my former language class, and he said he was more or less told he could sign up to just about any club he wanted, because, essentially, racism. ;) < 1422820979 463500 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1422821498 410288 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422821970 615343 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422822156 108299 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1422822179 666212 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if people describing an algorithm with code and equations used the same variable names in both,rather than expecting me to guess < 1422822185 869669 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1422822349 380514 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1422822457 907444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how many substitutions do I need? < 1422822458 95657 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these is concerned, the use of " coup" here is one that only takes predicates and has not named a < 1422822466 939920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1422822548 902729 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1422822554 641405 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422823051 948574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Ominous. < 1422823052 132109 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just wrote :p ( what was i thinking there.... :d), i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! < 1422823075 983714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1422823076 168075 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1422823085 629205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'ct' style is well-represented in the overall 'fungot' style. < 1422823085 773870 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going to use funge-93 because tusho said i well, bully hector? < 1422823689 484479 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422823854 678824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is it wise to you for financial advise and predicting the stock market? < 1422823855 241697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signs point to yes. < 1422823878 928896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is it wise to you to predict the result of big sport events? < 1422823879 416451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reply hazy try again. < 1422823906 205344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how much do you know about sports? < 1422823906 350289 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1422823915 409113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1422823929 731271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did he figure that? < 1422823935 155418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like handball? < 1422823935 433612 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: his birthday is in the same as the word " crazy" " not exactly the daycare-place i was just about to do it when i wake up long lol < 1422823963 366765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like waterpolo? < 1422823963 511249 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that something you know and and the cases that required to actually mutate the original ( sorted, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance, < 1422824068 501352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you control the path of meteorites?" < 1422824068 646248 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if that is not used commonly and carries with it an array subscript was too easy heh one time i figured if it's possible, notify the notary. < 1422824092 546589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ok, then direct this one to the shores of Greenland < 1422824169 454319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422824173 790885 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422824283 539934 :olsner_!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1422824884 608192 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422824896 735258 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422825329 268176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please check back here on February 1st for an update on our study, and on LessWrong for a ProveItForReal.org update on March 1st." < 1422825631 443953 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide on an algorithm for rotating the digits of a number (24983 becoes 32498), but I don't even need it to be fast. I'm just indecisive < 1422825668 429803 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 NICK :^v < 1422825682 840017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just do the stupid thing < 1422825689 29745 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422825691 117269 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422825722 919752 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is base 10 log, followed by a mod, division and addition < 1422825881 672235 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422825897 919782 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422826073 765522 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. JavaScript's object model seems a lot like Heresy's ... < 1422826198 263624 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1422826209 271713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422826238 350984 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422826274 767981 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaksjfoletqikomh JOIN :#esoteric < 1422826455 866033 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422827317 310268 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :using katakana in equations feels liberating, because there are so many < 1422827333 228518 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1422827505 831220 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :65% through the codecademy JS course now ... XD < 1422827530 778737 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422827533 552826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422827821 792521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's only liberating if you can actually tell different katakana apart :P < 1422828051 438495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ut-oh. I was just shutting down the server at home (in preparation for the move) when it dawned on me that I haven < 1422828054 685622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t moved fungot yet. < 1422828054 860490 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code.) good stuff that makes me even)) x sort ( filter procedure, but maybe i will when i start fixing it rather than having arbitrary bf, as if it wasn't. holy cow, i never claimed that the victim) subject:re: `which fnord echo < 1422828069 743422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, apparently it's even more complex than that. < 1422828311 493741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you think I should do something to keep you online, or do you want to take a holiday of few weeks? < 1422828311 638498 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let " persons" be added to the actual standard being sane) scheme implementations but guile is my fnord' doggie than a dozen tales, of the whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1422828323 256113 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1422828333 89500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to interpret that. < 1422828406 768078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422828533 899566 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@81.174.175.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422828536 686902 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@81.174.175.133 QUIT :Changing host < 1422828536 833212 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422828576 715051 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1422828590 496813 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: the prototypal object model is pretty straightforward (although JS's in particular is a bit messy) < 1422828612 724634 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1422828612 895254 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1422828673 252810 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yeah, I noticed the syntax gets a little ambiguous when you're iterating over object fields. < 1422828687 544443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ambiguous? < 1422828689 771580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422828715 325599 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: BEEP BOOP TIME TO TAKE A BREAK < 1422828733 907929 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy your break, fungot < 1422828783 341317 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, unclear at least. When doing for (var x in obj), I'm a little unclear what's actually in x. Ie. is it thus a string, and thus you must do obj[x], or can obj.x work safely, that kinda thing. < 1422828786 308266 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422828797 313419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1422828817 295424 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's pretty straightforward. foo.bar is basically just sugar for foo["bar"] < 1422828862 409976 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Heresy, you can do (for (x in (Obj 'fields)) ...) and x will contain a valid symbol for calling a field in Obj, such that you can then do (Obj x). < 1422828893 133910 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1422829056 533785 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a similar idea though, Heresy objects are basically just a lambda wrapped round an association list, so you can do fun stuff like that pretty easily. Need to decide what, and if, I'm gonna do with it I think. < 1422829143 73110 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does heresy have the concept of prototypal inheritance, where if you look up a property in an object and the property is missing, it'll try to look it up in the prototype instead? < 1422829201 792742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball Does heresy have the concept of prototypal inheritance? < 1422829202 902391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask again later. < 1422829262 323247 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Depends how it was declared. I'm a little fuzzy on the inheritance feature, because 1) it's new, and 2) I didn't write it. < 1422829355 474384 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pkg-build.racket-lang.org/doc/heresy/index.html#%28form._%28%28lib._heresy%2Fmain..rkt%29._describe%29%29 < 1422829525 171488 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds similar < 1422829692 404141 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1422829692 548901 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1422830124 256939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1422830721 258698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. echo '#social-share-button { display: none !important }' >> .mozilla/firefox/default/chrome/userChrome.css < 1422830733 770664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox continues to add useless crap < 1422830761 177713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i believe we've successfully delayed ghc by a month hth < 1422830785 498810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1422830878 701354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No new comments on the ticket, hmm. < 1422830896 492893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a ghc-devs post linked from reddit < 1422830924 731295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not subscribed to ghc-dev, perhaps I should be... < 1422830937 127374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: great < 1422830958 410157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.haskell.org/pipermail/ghc-devs/2015-January/008189.html < 1422831259 933361 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422831283 170822 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422831550 163682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope the BBP discussion does not take advantage of this delay. I mean I don't really care about the BBP as such, but going forth and back on this seems like a big waste of effort (mostly hvr's) < 1422831765 669404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am somewhat wondering if they manage to implement this in such a way that no type signatures need to be changed to use anything Kindable-like < 1422831963 147845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. To me it seemed that a proper solution would involve tracking Typable instances for polymorphic kinds, much the same way they have to be tracked for polymorphic datatypes. So we'd have things like (Typeable k, Typeable t) => Typeable (Proxy (t :: k)) < 1422832007 916276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that would indeed change some type signatures. < 1422832008 879982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was thinking that too, although that (1) would require changing type signatures (2) cannot be done with current ghc types < 1422832038 341833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since there is essentially a function dependency from type to kind... < 1422832042 309620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*functional < 1422832048 893640 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422832054 377170 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh man this Black Mirror ep is weird ... < 1422832080 826297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they delaying 7.10 < 1422832083 26881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the bug in 7.8 too < 1422832091 781418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to make things any less vulnerable < 1422832107 327765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would mean getting a fix out sooner < 1422832110 970710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but spj _really_ doesn't like Safe Haskell completely broken, i think < 1422832135 253468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's only theoretically ever sound < 1422832143 420271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, yeah, SPJ's opinion carries some wait here. < 1422832150 693065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weight < 1422832155 636004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1422832188 868236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate those phonetically correct typos. < 1422832233 134124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you could just release 7.10.1 quickly < 1422832239 87598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the point is that nobody wants to upgrade twice in quick succession < 1422832243 929328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: does your typefamily method avoid needing anything for kinds in the signatures? < 1422832252 157772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't it require changing the type signatures to the _correct_ signatures from the wrong ones? < 1422832276 338351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the old signatures aren't wrong per _se_ < 1422832285 523036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a type always implicitly includes its kind < 1422832289 839393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah right, because ghc still breaks binary compatibility of all modules you've compiled with it at every point release! < 1422832290 300200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's easier to explain breaking code (and I'm still not convinced that that won't happen) with a full release than with a point release. < 1422832298 46348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sn't that the basic problem? < 1422832317 826581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people can't just upgrade as lightly as with most other software < 1422832355 56196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what I'm trying to say is, I'm not sure whether this should be left for 7.10.1 or 7.12.1, but I don't think it can be done in a 7.10.x, x>1, release. < 1422832414 612116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i fear that if you have a typeable instance which depends on a kind variable, then ghc will do its instance resolution in such a way that it _needs_ an explicit context for the kind as well, which is what seemed to happen for my experiments < 1422832417 536722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I may be wrong and this won't break any code at all. < 1422832437 840141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but as already indicated, I don't see how. < 1422832476 240233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, that's what really shows it's a research language) < 1422832482 997339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_if_ they can manage to avoid the kind separating from the type in a sense, then the signatures wouldn't need to change. or so i think. < 1422832525 377336 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422832525 698903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand int-e's type family version enough to say if that does it < 1422832532 188237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suggested leaving this for 7.12 mainly because there have already been two RCs, so breaking code now *will* cause some upset. < 1422832584 188505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What it is supposed to accomplish is that you don't need explicit Typeable contexts for monomorphic kinds. < 1422832637 872714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. i thought my method did that as well, or could, at least. < 1422832736 727005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you cannot actually write Typeable k for a kind k afaik, except possibly in goldfire's branch, seems to be a problem. < 1422832739 12586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, you may be right. But the type family also covers the (Typeable a, Typeable b) => (Typable (a b)) instance, where with MPTCs you run into the open world assumption problem < 1422832815 922641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? as i said there is essentially a functional dependency. < 1422832850 368814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i was going to test something... < 1422832887 220255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you have Typeable contexts for kinds? < 1422832890 582962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "open world assumption problem"? Also what is goldfire's branch? < 1422832935 252412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, nope, you cannot define a type synonym with a kind parameter either :( < 1422832986 507040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you supposed to? < 1422832990 52655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you cannot, currently, but it would seem the most obvious way of getting a reified kind to put in the Typeable instance for a polykind type < 1422833050 115326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: goldfire's branch is a branch where he is removing the distinction between types and kinds, in order to prepare for a dependent types extension < 1422833073 345650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am i remembering the nick correctly, hm...) < 1422833125 735582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "open world assumption" is the rule that instance resolution for a class never assumes anything based on which instances are _not_ in scope < 1422833159 800849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, you may be right. Perhaps the real trick is that in my code, only *some* Typeable instances have a "Kindable (Proxy :: k -> *)" (= Typable (KindRep (Proxy :: k -> *))) context. < 1422833206 248031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "problem" then is that it can sometimes be hard to convince ghc to use the one you want < 1422833224 681247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the problem of getting from Kindable (k1 -> k2) to Kindable k1 and Kindable k2 doesn't crop up. < 1422833226 642415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you should need support for defining automatic classes and for defining closed classes. Typeable can then be made into a automatic class; you don't need deriving(Typeable) and can't define an explicit instance but for polymorphic functions you will still need a Typeable context if you want to use its type information. < 1422833264 886496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes that's the way SPJ is heading < 1422833336 125711 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422833352 650732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the changes for 7.10 are big enough that several people have suggested that it should be numbered 8.0 instead. but then they don't really affect the _internals_ of ghc as much as the libraries. < 1422833372 476092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure how the syntax should be for defining automatic classes, but Typeable would be built-in anyways so it doesn't matter in this case. < 1422833400 68959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not much wrong with bumping base to 5.0 without bumping the ghc version... < 1422833417 413122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would help to make up a syntax and capability for these kind of things, as well as to define the new kind of macros so that do-notation and list-syntax can be made into macros that are defined in the Prelude instead of being built-in. < 1422833423 512830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything is wrong with bumping the base version, I have upper bounds 5 almost everywhere ;0 < 1422833426 518823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1422833449 830200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422833496 717461 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1422833521 375521 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1422833644 312152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there aren't that many other classes than Typeable that really _can_ be automatic in a user-definable way, because you want to support abstract data types by allowing not exporting constructors and deriving classes that expose internal structure. The information in Typeable is afaict about everything that _cannot_ be hidden this way. < 1422833817 328178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coercible is also automatic, but it _checks_ whether the constructors are exposed. < 1422833834 429951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that; you would somehow need macros if you can have user-definable automatic classes at all, since the macro then needs to use the stuff it is capable of using. This might result in the instances of such classes being different in different modules. But another way might be automatic classes based on instances of other classes. Other details would be names of types as strings. < 1422833859 437821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose there could be a mechanism for that, but then you'd have the same weirdness as Coercible in that the instance isn't necessarily inherited < 1422833944 808538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aeson has default methods for some its classes based on Generic, not quite automatic but close. < 1422833950 75190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*some of its < 1422834003 508126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there _was_ a suggestion of allowing deriving any class by using its default methods... < 1422834027 675419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was even in 7.10 RC < 1422834057 320291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like: data A = B | C deriving(Eq, default D, default E); < 1422834095 3398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that you would have to explcitly specify you are deriving by defaults.) < 1422834106 886993 :arjanb!8259aa3c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.60 QUIT :Quit: . < 1422834112 748605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can't you just use instance without defining the methods, in such case, instead? < 1422834168 991462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm i don't think there was an explicit keyword, just (Eq, D, E) < 1422834200 583740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it _would_ be good to be able to at least specify explicitly if you want GND or defaults < 1422834212 480629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your module has both extensions < 1422834230 725520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes for newtype instead of data it would help to explicitly specify "default" in this case at least; for data it isn't needed < 1422834260 484517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even want to able to overrule that for base classes, so you could do newtype MyType = MyType Int deriving (newtype Show) < 1422834265 905791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be able < 1422834282 571274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that too I agree < 1422834299 416200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be better, and I think more useful than deriving defaults < 1422834469 157164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they add "\case" syntax instead of my "\of" suggestion? (Which I think is probably same except for the words in use; "\of" would probably simplify the parser both for layout and nonlayout) < 1422834472 219923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the syntax deriving (newtype Show, default JSON) is pretty much vacant? < 1422834474 946570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1422834502 606141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both because they're keywords, and because they're lower case < 1422834516 610975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: re-using existing language keywords for new meanings? I see you're learning from us C++ers. Very good. < 1422834518 102296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that is why I suggested using the keyword "default" < 1422834594 357075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In SQLite although new keywords are sometimes added, they are never reserved words; only a few keywords are reserved words. Therefore it doesn't cause problem if your name of a column or table or whatever is now a keyword. < 1422834640 690076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i also liked \of better than \case for logical grounds, although i actually preferred "case of". but someone (spj) vetoed \of on the grounds it was too lightweight < 1422834655 566946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hehe, "only a few" < 1422834663 999801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sqlite.org/lang_keywords.html lists more than there are in C++ I think < 1422834667 338741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(spj?) < 1422834676 851661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although most of those aren't reserved. < 1422834727 172996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked again and actually I forgot how many are reserved < 1422834728 967690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily that list doesn't include COVERING < 1422834732 102445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, a lot of them aren't reserved. < 1422834752 138515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And any new ones added also won't be reserved. < 1422834768 245351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they promise that? < 1422834781 243164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page actually says “SQLite adds new keywords from time to time when it takes on new features.” < 1422834783 24254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do implicitly although it doesn't say so. < 1422834797 800084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, perl says that too but they don't add new keywords anymore < 1422834812 17268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true they add new keywords, but from my experience as well as for backward-compatibility reasons, the new keywords won't be reserved. < 1422834851 971877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has used like three different solutions to avoid adding new reserved words < 1422834868 858050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arguments for "case of" were (1) it doesn't need a new layout keyword (2) it leaves out the expression, so you can think of it as a case section < 1422834885 879565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, (1) putting important core functions to modules rather than builtin functions, (2) adding a weak keyword, (3) adding a keyword that is active only if you specifically allow it with "use feature" < 1422834894 199677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((2) was done only once) < 1422834921 415806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a list of the reserved words. There are 58 reserved words, which is almost half of all of the keywords in SQLite. < 1422834954 976414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the new keywords in Objective-C also aren't reserved and can be used as the names of ordinary C stuff without a problem. < 1422834983 711584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Therefore, any C program is also a valid Objective-C program.) < 1422835087 409951 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422835122 647301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH and WITHOUT aren't reserved words in SQLite; nor is RECURSIVE. < 1422835185 889361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes those are my reason too. I don't use the layout mode but many people do, and regardless of this it makes the parser more sensible. Either "case of" or "\of" is better to me than "\case". < 1422835230 472057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also thanks to multiway-if, | is now sometimes a layout keyword. it wasn't originally but i remember loudly pointing out that was a mistake and some time later they added layout. < 1422835286 278238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that my shouting was in the right place to be the direct cause) < 1422835348 844440 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422836288 645135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up two Magic: the Gathering cards based on suggestions from the game master for the Dungeons&Dragons game, which are called "Imp of Deception" (opponent's mana is of a different color than they expect) and "Calimshan Advisor" (opponent shows you the cards he intends to use during his turn). < 1422836293 993554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : We don't have many Chinese in European soccer teams yet, but only because they prefer other sports. <-- didn't i mention a while ago that the chinese premier is a soccer fan who wants to make china stop being abysmal at it < 1422836314 588562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that may change. eventually. < 1422836342 171718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the effects to make them work better with the rules of Magic: the Gathering though. Did you look at it? < 1422836386 592718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw the chart for norway would be Football and, bizarrely, Cross Country Skiing) < 1422836398 175278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1422836448 896885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norway is dominating the latter to an unhealthily degree - unhealthy because every other country is starting to lose their remaining interest in the sport) < 1422836453 313485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ly < 1422836457 881258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-i < 1422836460 843467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+y < 1422836624 325347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok the chart would also have some other winter sports) < 1422836735 197273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :decades ago, skating used to be huge in norway. i think the dutch may be doing the "unhealthy dominance" thing on that at present. < 1422836963 464836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made "sqlircbot" but I haven't tried it yet http://sprunge.us/MNaa please tell me if you notice anything wrong, or that I should need to fix, or other feature suggestion, or complaint, etc < 1422837194 174230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This channel is defunged | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1422837303 634659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for zzo38 to rewrite fungot in sqlite3 < 1422837339 904559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for fungot to rewrite zzo38 in scheme < 1422837373 443170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's a little schemer < 1422837398 837202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have a intention to rewrite fungot in anything; you rewrite fungot if you like to do so. I doubt fungot has any such intention either, although maybe they can fake it. < 1422837460 343174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sigh. I was merely trying to hint, politely (ok, maybe not), at the fact that you seem to be a bit obsessed with sqlite. < 1422837475 121235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1422837485 845469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are allowed to say thing like that if you like to do so. < 1422837500 397831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was merely trying to hint, politely, at the fact that fungot seems to be a bit obsessed with scheme hth < 1422837547 283057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it may have to do with hanging around on #scheme < 1422837564 645826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1422837572 403285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a theory < 1422837638 974520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :This channel got defunged | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1422837660 839868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with being obsessed with something < 1422837698 899099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing, but it can be hard to take for people who are not obsessed about the same things. < 1422837707 126688 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422837712 231028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ...with... < 1422837880 584362 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1422837955 901884 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1422838013 734101 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1422838215 960290 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1422838240 287356 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am listening to my (British) university's radio coverage for the Superbowl < 1422838248 835182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what is going on, and neither do they < 1422838410 980199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call them on telephone and complain < 1422838412 812734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Patriots are up 42 to 7, what does that mean? We don't know" < 1422838421 724394 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, It's amusing < 1422838429 791212 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're now ordering pizza < 1422838493 315764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got the person on the student union representing sports clubs < 1422838572 567997 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent in a message saying "Do any of you have any idea what is going on?" < 1422838593 304009 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they read it out and said "Absolutely not, except for one thing, and that's that pizza is on its way" < 1422838680 417528 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should interpret the game using British football rules. < 1422838706 855687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a touchdown < 1422838711 21754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they work like in Rugby < 1422838716 574435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they get to convert the touchdown < 1422838786 155896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know what that means, I'm just reading things that are on the screen" < 1422838815 231523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is hilarious < 1422839179 627001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up two variants of Magic: the Gathering which are using entirely proxies, which is one for Limited (using a Solomon draft) and one for Constructed (using duel decks). < 1422839220 459275 :hutin!~baudrilla@177.42.117.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422839448 911959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41787&oldid=41554 5* 0366.57.93.188 5* (+40) 10/* Nim */ < 1422839492 429490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the campus satire magazine has came to beat up the radio presenters < 1422839652 907437 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, in football you can convert a touchdown. < 1422839699 993789 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you ordinarily kick for a field goal to get an extra point rather than do a two-point conversion. < 1422839717 663465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you going to convert it into? < 1422839735 988226 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The nomenclature is... weird. < 1422839774 245374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why nobody understands? < 1422839775 905652 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "two point conversion" in American football refers to attempting a second run into the in zone immediately after a touchdown in a single play. < 1422839798 916887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41788&oldid=41787 5* 0366.57.93.188 5* (+18) 10/* Changed language name to Nim. Allow multiple commands at once. */ < 1422839800 737128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1422839845 941097 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did katy perry become an american copy of kyary pamyu pamyu < 1422840024 790383 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like seriously, googly eyed beachballs and palm trees. clearly copying kyary pamyu pamyu < 1422840034 901532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422840049 919541 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be perfectly honest, American football is not that complicated a game, particularly if you understand rugby. < 1422840058 855561 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(American footbball is "just" a very weird variant of rugby) < 1422840091 885827 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rugby is a very weird variant of soccer. < 1422840107 433673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are probably correct but that doesn't make it easily enough to understand by people who don't understand these kind of game! < 1422840119 885466 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Association football is a weird variant of Magic: The Gathering < 1422840121 223581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if the nomenclature is... weird. < 1422840154 628071 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTG is a reasonable varient of Pocket Monsters. < 1422840170 228064 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon for short. < 1422840175 695264 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: True. It's not *hard*, but it's non-zero knowledge. < 1422840212 992590 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, was MTG the first card game of it's kind? < 1422840214 791219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering is different from football and Pocket Monsters entirely, just as much as poker is different from chess and stuff like that, and more < 1422840220 672056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I believe so. < 1422840250 843447 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a mind the invertor must have. < 1422840302 428788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there was no Limited play when it was first designed, only Constructed. There also weren't any deck construction rules as far as I know, and many cards were written in ways that are unusual for today, some cards says "destroys a black card as it is being cast", and "target creature is now a flying creature", and "if this reduces creature's toughness below 1, it is dead" < 1422840383 197182 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest to a predecessor to MTG, which isn't especially similar, is Cosmic Encounter. < 1422840442 828057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are now ordering pizza LIVE ON AIR < 1422840469 191363 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, it is a terrible idea to order pizza in the US during the Superbowl. < 1422840502 260354 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can, they will take your order, and they will deliver it, but don't be surprised if the game has been over for an hour by the time they actually make the thing. < 1422840502 405054 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, good thing they are in Yorkshire < 1422840506 855742 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1422840513 676058 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Yorkshire I can't imagine it's a big problem. < 1422840534 941079 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that it's 0130. < 1422840558 379849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I've ordered later successfully < 1422840568 213863 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a city with two universities < 1422840575 486551 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that'd help. < 1422840582 511223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am supposed to design Aberration Hater Card Game though, instead of being mainly Constructed it can be designed from the start to be mainly for Limited, as well as from the start it says you can use proxies if it is written clearly and don't constitute "marked cards". < 1422840590 559044 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be limited in options, but still. < 1422840631 176142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also if I can try to design the rules from the start so that you don't get unclear and ambiguous problems, by inventing the programming language to design the rules with. < 1422840662 493295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you believe it is a better, worse, or neither, idea than how other game design. < 1422840734 177106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of such thing anyways? < 1422840823 622309 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this rate, Chrome is going to assume General Biotics is one of my favorite websites < 1422840837 848115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you disable those feature? < 1422840841 974023 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've... < 1422840861 761865 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've challenged the satire magazine to strip-watching Superbowl < 1422840872 599692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One item of clothing for each point scored < 1422840888 792943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happen when they run out of clothing? < 1422840951 91311 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they lose I guess < 1422840979 104572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever has a lot of clothing is winner. < 1422840994 935341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've just realised that they're going to have to collect the pizza after a while < 1422841392 911944 :hutin!~baudrilla@177.42.117.106 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422841467 897002 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'm going to bed < 1422841495 785230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you start hearing owls and radio commentators talking about themselves stripping it's time to sleep < 1422841685 999368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last time we called him on air, he was in the middle of something... very personal, that" < 1422842572 428862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41789&oldid=41788 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-61) 10Undo everything except name change, misunderstood language semantics < 1422843124 922466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish may be a simple esolang, but it's semantics are among the hardest to understand unaided < 1422843128 832702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1422843592 481659 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422843756 326214 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422843959 124497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41790&oldid=41785 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* General languages */ Totally Accurate Ordering < 1422844245 297762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41791&oldid=41730 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+3) 10fix some punct. < 1422844417 775292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfork14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41792&oldid=41774 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+54) 10unsigned < 1422844527 951411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Al Dente14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41793&oldid=41781 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+52) 10unsigned < 1422844669 711008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Totally Accurate Malbolge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41794&oldid=41786 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+16) 10fmt, link < 1422844835 814563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TomPN has managed to outrun my patience with adding unsigned templates < 1422845077 796319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have to manually collect the metadata? < 1422845192 423129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't know if i _have_ to, but i generally cut and paste from the history subpage < 1422845214 397703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjusting the time zone as well < 1422845272 240002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the chore of it that broke my patience, but the fact that he keeps not signing even as my previous templates are visible on the same page < 1422845334 324222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~~~### < 1422845368 453649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1422847033 79750 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422847419 7931 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422847426 653331 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1422847662 5781 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422847737 665082 :one!ac381b6c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.56.27.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422848077 534978 :one!ac381b6c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.56.27.108 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1422848154 634646 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422848175 258481 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1422848409 271297 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422848495 147987 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving JOIN :#esoteric < 1422848742 380660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game called "Cuttle" with some similarities with Magic: the Gathering is said to have been invented much earlier--in 1970s at the latest. < 1422848966 171899 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly know of Cosmic Encounter because it's what Garfield actually had *played* that gave him ideas for MTG. < 1422848974 918419 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because I've played Cosmic Encounter. < 1422849837 901153 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasgeneralbioticsreleasedtheirstudyyet.example.com: NO < 1422850570 931277 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422850897 967131 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422851184 406039 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1422851973 591479 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422852008 289004 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422852043 581754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Const < 1422852044 377507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> * < 1422852050 303414 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1422852606 388520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he's playing too much devil's advocate https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:43 < 1422852953 855881 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422852986 565453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1422853664 607950 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1422853681 885236 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1422854412 282924 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1422855130 293516 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.98 QUIT :Quit: Off to find the mythical clitoris. < 1422857703 844231 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422857842 229560 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2571:eb0b:20ae:5e69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422857922 101700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422857939 692921 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1422858157 373896 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422858538 949830 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422858802 439997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1422858954 242573 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422859649 769846 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1422860848 253381 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422861096 999724 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422861185 20786 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422861305 361099 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422861355 463898 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422862077 405148 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2571:eb0b:20ae:5e69 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1422862244 937631 :sqlircbot1!~sqlircbot@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422862257 332767 :sqlircbot1!~sqlircbot@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422862269 880121 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1422862511 1839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got SQLIRCBOT working now. You can try sending VERSION, PING, and TIME requests to it at "sqlircbot1". < 1422862676 369808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1422863076 167426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will terminate it for now. < 1422863577 902935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: great < 1422863594 751754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you killed it? < 1422863611 370722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I only needed it on temporarily for testing < 1422863631 383124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can put back on if you want and I can also show you the program and schema if you like it too. < 1422863640 790341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later < 1422863651 998224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VERSION, TIME, and PING requests are responded by triggers. < 1422863667 722546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you said you'll do everything by triggers < 1422863676 110965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This isn't a built-in feature of SQLIRCBOT) < 1422863730 142001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it respond to server PING requests, or else at least send a message every five minutes, so that the server doesn't kick it for being idle? < 1422863765 650310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Responding to server PING requests is built-in to SQLIRCBOT; it is one of the few things that doesn't use triggers. < 1422863810 135931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes it does do that (and currently there is no way to turn that off). < 1422863883 609807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also don't need triggers to log the date/time; to do that you can use a DEFAULT clause in the CREATE TABLE statement. < 1422863982 481930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The responding to client pings looks like this: CREATE TRIGGER ping_trigger before insert on irc_log when new.command = 'PRIVMSG' collate nocase and new.arg2 like (x'01'||'PING%') begin select ircsend('notice',new.nick,new.arg2); end; < 1422863993 91743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. you really need to respond to PING messages because some non-freenode servers absolutely won't talk to you unless you do < 1422864006 601854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's one specific thing I'd like to ask you about though < 1422864021 333229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the host program automatically responds to server pings regardless of the database schema. < 1422864056 189925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What specific thing do you like to ask me about? < 1422864087 730131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how irc networks use one of two casefolding methods to fold the case of nicknames and channel names. the server tells you which one it uses in a 005 message early. < 1422864103 151261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about IRC casefolding. < 1422864119 925907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, it tells you early enough that you could depend on that message, but it's very difficult to organize code in a way that guarantees you don't need to know about casefolding before the server tells you. < 1422864120 679638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLIRCBOT implements a collation called IRCNOCASE which does that. < 1422864165 598178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my take is that when I just tell the casefolding to the program before I set up the connection, and then verify it, and if the server tells it's wrong then I make the program die, because it's just easier to implement it that way. < 1422864173 341844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you handle this? < 1422864206 215231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your database schema will need to know which kind of casefolding to use. < 1422864239 777589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want you can add a trigger that checks that it is the correct one, but normally you probably don't need to. < 1422864299 103237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are only logging, it doesn't normally matter which one you use anyways (unless you want to add an index by name), but if you want to do other stuff too then you would figure this out and do this. < 1422864370 887363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I handle it. If you want the non-English casefolding then you just will use the IRCNOCASE collation; for English casefolding use NOCASE collation. < 1422864397 260053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this answer your question? < 1422864477 139064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. < 1422864515 528361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely need code in my bot that follows the nicks my bot sees. For that, I need to follow JOIN, QUIT, PART, KICK, NICK, 353, 366 messages, plus if I want to follow nickserv accounts too then I have to issue CAP and WHOx commands and follow ACCOUNT, 354, 315 messages. < 1422864581 906897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Freenode has a set of three extensions that together let you track which nicks on channels are logged in to what nickserv accounts. I will need this for my bot ideally.) < 1422864779 939361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have proof of concept code for this, but I'll have to make sane code. < 1422864923 145246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other difficult part of irc handling I encountered is making sure you don't send too many messages so the server doesn't kick you. I have the throttling code working so I know exactly how much I can send, but the hard part is making the bot behave sanely when its queue fills up too much and it can't empty it because it keeps getting incoming requests. I don't have a good solution for that yet. < 1422865055 67126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Does your bot attempt to handle that? < 1422865432 207557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have no such code although maybe it should have. < 1422865452 738179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains no timing code at all for now because I cannot figure out how to get it to work. < 1422865521 486935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I assume that it wouldn't receive incoming requests too fast either. < 1422865534 460898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the other client is also limited to the same speed. < 1422865682 884938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't actually have to use timing code for this < 1422865828 408823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have to count bytes < 1422865859 105182 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1422865903 942210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though timing might help < 1422866234 652984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1422866407 245119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the irc server gives each connection a buffer of 3000something bytes (3072 I think, but I'm not sure). It removes a command from that buffer only after it's processed the previous command from that connection completely. If you send more input than fits in the buffer, it disconnects you. If you send a line longer than 512 bytes (counting the terminating LF) it also disconnects you. < 1422866416 394286 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1422866452 142196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easy way to know how much you can send is to reserve the last 7 bytes of that buffer, send a PING command before the buffer gets full, and continue sending only after the server has replied to that PING command. < 1422866465 973407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do more elaborate tracking, but this is the easiest to implement. < 1422866487 142277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also another throttling on the server which is much more difficult to handle.) < 1422866516 426320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41795&oldid=41782 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+136) 10new version and some other t < 1422866584 193968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks < 1422866641 617309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of this stupid specific information about IRC servers is not documented well and I have to acquire it from various pieces of partial documentation, from talking to people who know the servers on #freenode, from experimenting, and sometimes even from the source code. < 1422866780 575310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41796&oldid=41746 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+16) 10add taktentus < 1422867205 720057 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear sometimes there's nothing worse than waking up later than someone who's already been awake long enough to get chatty ... < 1422867580 607974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will implement your ideas OK thank you for telling me how it is working. < 1422867723 468824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my newest Magic: the Gathering cards and puzzle.3? (The solution is available too if you want it, although I didn't write the solution but I did make up the puzzle by myself.) < 1422867774 222461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't yet < 1422867956 482831 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/ < 1422869282 163532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later if you did then you can tell me. < 1422870728 175035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is BF Joust scoring just the same as PageRank < 1422871150 60101 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422871195 279630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least pretty close. < 1422871774 776142 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1422872539 524005 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422872663 1779 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1422872836 516281 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1422872913 375315 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.75.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422873023 325582 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422873283 365025 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.75.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1422873774 925167 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're ranking the jousters, not the pages. < 1422875793 929220 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422876542 233162 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. you set the topic to something very serious. what happened to dear Sir Fungellot? < 1422877179 906743 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422877733 997372 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422877961 222198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 22:11 -!- fungot [fis@selene.zem.fi] has quit [Quit: BEEP BOOP TIME TO TAKE A BREAK] < 1422877976 890141 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PART :#esoteric < 1422877995 562853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's having a vacation. < 1422878069 492840 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422878843 276291 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1422879342 108002 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1422879588 309545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even bots have right to their own two paid vacation weeks. < 1422879593 601830 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1422879593 910221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 021210Z 02020KT 1SM R06L/P6000FT/D R06R/P6000FT/D -SN BLSN SCT009 OVC022 M22/M26 A3000 RMK SN1SF2SC5 SLP163 < 1422879620 789424 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ACCLIMATISED CHICKEN < 1422880371 322263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh... the pun burns < 1422881939 999248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a bit more than two weeks. < 1422882869 48340 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYST < 1422882869 692057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1422884856 413549 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422885706 505943 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 974 < 1422885709 108851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 974: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1422886194 283529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1422886464 293280 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: olist 974 < 1422886590 210304 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422886672 387137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw in the logs < 1422886821 564468 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok < 1422888309 612406 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1422888326 658565 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422891271 902029 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422891414 950517 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422891595 822099 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1422891703 219790 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422892026 668655 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is perfectly barking: http://cj-johnson.github.io/Single-Tag_Website/ < 1422892083 932045 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422893745 915583 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422893747 375396 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422893923 307443 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422895226 352947 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422895584 414573 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1422896296 681640 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1422896302 716453 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1422896412 831118 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/pigworker/PolyTest/blob/master/TLCAPoly.pdf?raw=true < 1422896557 317131 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422896748 455023 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422897618 485725 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1422898029 579753 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422898624 469659 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1422899047 270324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422899051 938010 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1422899878 349651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Death to pdf urls that don't open in the browser! < 1422900106 96110 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422900130 362971 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422900136 660084 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP vanila...'s pdf url. < 1422900363 853619 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422900399 118763 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422900484 883434 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaksjfoletqikomh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1422900941 390288 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1422901148 709659 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1422901250 397950 :S1!~S1@p4FF93EE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1422901419 229608 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422901588 103800 :arjanb!8259adb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422902438 108713 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1422902831 850370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of math is required to take matrices of derivatives without disassembling them < 1422903058 444728 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example d/dB A x B < 1422903127 498464 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing it by turning it into a summation and then turning the final formula back into a set of matrix operations < 1422903199 602732 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1422903892 671370 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422903964 648071 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422904608 524011 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-149-19.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1422904798 248237 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422904902 94454 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Biotics study still not released < 1422904941 482401 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-149-19.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1422905101 183972 :S1!~S1@p4FF93EE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1422905531 249344 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422906450 645139 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422907032 550772 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422907266 906831 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422907413 163404 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422907609 285650 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1422907992 127399 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422908115 413236 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422908145 333373 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1422908704 297294 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422909440 559107 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422909691 67936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes bf2d is not on the wiki? < 1422910867 157781 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1422911126 656052 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422911192 362044 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422911575 644601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422911593 113604 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422914306 168101 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1422914913 701636 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422915142 645850 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422915604 391167 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1422915613 831321 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io QUIT :Quit: (dtscode.io) < 1422915682 245875 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422915989 343037 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422916055 241937 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422916170 754882 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422916207 569005 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1422916608 202406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I work the send buffering into sqlircbot? I did already fix it not to send lines that are too long in case some IRC server disconnects you when that happens < 1422916667 35996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The IRCSEND function returns 1 if it could not send for any reason (line too long, parameters before the last one having spaces, any one having carriage returns and line feeds) or 0 if it can send, but that doesn't seem to fix the send buffer size too) < 1422917247 679008 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1422917437 685982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I should PING the server and wait for the PONG response to know they have processed the message but I cannot seem to see where in this program such a thing can go without blocking everything else the program is doing. < 1422917579 533459 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422917646 222772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can store the messages you want to send in a table (you are probably already doing that), and add triggers to try to send some of the messages from that table both when (1) a new message is added and the table was empty, and (2) when you get the PONG response so you know the output buffer is cleared. < 1422917675 254624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is when that table gets too long so you can never clear it and are sending very old messages. < 1422917820 442730 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO < 1422917821 408434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 022156Z 00000KT 8SM FEW002 BKN200 17/11 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP194 T01670106 < 1422918104 916135 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's possible to make tables that have C callbacks for some operations (like adding or deleting a row) < 1422918134 385761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can do those things < 1422918169 902898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I have the sending messages done by the IRCSEND function exposed to the SQL program and want the C code in that function to handle it somehow < 1422918182 977148 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://sqlite.org/vtab.html) < 1422918244 11597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, virtual tables, although I don't expect virtual tables to really help with what I am trying to do here at all < 1422918298 274793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1422918321 606948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't need virtual tables for thsi < 1422918331 686563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they help either < 1422918337 352328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need only triggers < 1422918486 148092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GG updated. < 1422918557 507663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hmm, it's still working up to one of Agatha's outbreaks. < 1422918587 53051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"outbreak"? < 1422918680 907187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sudden violent spontaneous occurrence (usually of some undesirable condition) hth < 1422918699 194153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well int-e has predicted one kind of that < 1422918700 879519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh you know when she starts to shout and make a stand < 1422918709 8647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1422918725 519862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the word means that in english. < 1422918734 427722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't it. < 1422918746 971621 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't have that. The language is there to bend to my will. < 1422918748 802036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"outburst" < 1422918753 432268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1422918786 72641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although on the bright side, its cognate does so in norwegian, so i assume german is similar. < 1422918809 911277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, sort of cognate. < 1422918839 586068 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422918841 441588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"utbrudd" < 1422918879 281046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect both break and burst are cognates of it < 1422918923 323430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, fine, outburst it is. < 1422919089 378479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they're supposedly from different, but eerily similar PIE roots < 1422919101 394114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just going back a bit further, then < 1422919200 503611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /topic This channel got defunged | Breaking bubbles and ursting barriers | ... ) < 1422919206 938474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now I just put in sleep for 1 millisecond per character sent, but probably I should change it later < 1422919219 646342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the way I put now is not very good < 1422919222 27487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds unhealthy < 1422919256 934367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1422919270 439569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/urst/burst/ < 1422919327 79796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( All these typos are seriously denting my prefectionism. ) < 1422919341 229496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This channel got defunged | reaking ubbles and ursting arriers | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1422919361 430844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just now changed it to twice as fast, which probably still not so good but might work, I don't know < 1422919370 791623 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: usually spelled correctly? < 1422919395 65940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think we had that yes < 1422919395 539513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t's ow sually pelled orrectly < 1422919398 354008 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1422919406 905393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, bussualy < 1422919462 960197 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sotp hruntig my bairn. < 1422919494 318662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: some of those words are real tdnh < 1422919506 3673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just sharing some pain here, hoping to alleviate it. < 1422919551 917382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never works hth < 1422919641 567297 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I only accept pain in capsaicin form. < 1422919642 771710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is a desensitizing effect at least. < 1422919659 559660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Well then your brain shouldn't be hurting now. < 1422919678 71715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which it probably isn't, not literally at least, but never mind that.) < 1422919745 265645 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422919805 882 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422919821 999023 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. do you reak ubbles oo? < 1422919871 440138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I see you're adopting my strategy. < 1422919902 149859 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adapt with the imes, I say. < 1422919988 140022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's a tricky one. Should we adopt adaptation or adapt adoptation... < 1422920089 312985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly the kind of conundrum I'd be asking Sir Fungellot, but it seems to have been excised from the chännel... < 1422920194 545566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still on vacation. < 1422920212 79557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may opt for adept adaptation. < 1422920226 8453 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1422920336 51456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this way better: - Keep track of how many characters are send so far. - If it would exceed 3000, instead send a PING and insert the message to send into a temporary table. - If the PING has been sent and not responded yet, also insert into temporary table. < 1422920347 426823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Once the server responds by PONG then delete records from the temporary table. - This temporary table can have triggers to resend the message when records are deleted. - Once it runs out then reset the counter to zero and you can send messages normally again. < 1422920439 114280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect this can work then? < 1422920942 636437 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422921258 838230 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422921345 878776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you need to subtract the size of a PING from the 3000 < 1422921366 318441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I forgot to mention that < 1422921382 763702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be 8 bytes though < 1422921511 243528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since you can write "PING 1" followed by a carriage return and a line feed, which will be 8 bytes in total) < 1422921697 540763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1422921764 737843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STYLISH CHICKEN < 1422922270 419522 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1422922337 651717 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Client Quit < 1422922351 348961 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1422922357 378314 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1422922371 244953 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422922757 287357 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1422923211 208922 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier_Burst < 1422923311 283065 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the reference? < 1422923330 12890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1422923378 151630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i guess int-e should answer that. < 1422923498 203278 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422923903 39892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1422924177 256243 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1422925192 941865 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1422925493 815993 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we lose shachaf? < 1422925766 64911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you checked where you last left him? < 1422925824 325638 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ehoujkdxrjzstoql QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1422925948 12587 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aylomlkjqgfhdusw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422926479 461945 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qncluzkdwovtyalu JOIN :#esoteric < 1422926500 884803 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imojuphqqbinvldo JOIN :#esoteric < 1422926998 80530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422927871 256088 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1422928461 324364 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422929150 343526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422929529 501049 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422929721 770516 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1422931648 300583 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422932317 349097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422932988 408452 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:f935:96cb:2e16:5678 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422933411 67704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422934373 299337 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:f935:96cb:2e16:5678 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422935164 959661 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1422936116 983850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1422936295 609485 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfhitbpsenmbmltq JOIN :#esoteric < 1422937522 583191 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422937957 578056 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1422938031 817894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1422939425 314799 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422940739 702784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i finished my little clock app < 1422940900 872991 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/ZWoOa.jpg < 1422941012 864281 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how to make it turing complete? < 1422941043 545722 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some who say "not everything has to be turing complete" < 1422941043 993316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1422941054 906931 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1422941055 112808 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say hah < 1422941080 908000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not everything has to be turing complete, and anyways I don't know. But you are certainly free to try to figure out how, please! < 1422941126 616092 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I wrote all this date-handling code, the only data type should be dates < 1422941135 697560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and times < 1422941218 321851 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA: the loop mechanism is by scheduling things to be done at another tiem < 1422941367 582410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conditions are simply comparisons of times < 1422941369 245283 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1422942441 968260 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a better set of conditions would be "is the program scheduled to run at time t" and "has time t passed yet" < 1422942468 52011 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can tell the program to run itself at a later time < 1422942743 124336 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh. So the basic commands are T(...) where .. runs only if T has passed, T?(...) where ... runs only if T is on the schedule, and T. which puts T on the schedule. T must be replaced with a relative orabsolute timestamp. < 1422942792 334581 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program then runs once upon open, and then once at each time that is on the schedule. < 1422942857 878600 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there should also be T/ which crosses T off the schedule < 1422942896 707845 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, things that should remain on the schedule must put themselves back each time. < 1422942928 268605 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah, that could work too. < 1422942949 358291 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, each run is a "revising" of the schedule < 1422943008 159302 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it becomes a to-do list instead, such as http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/whenever.html < 1422943676 67247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: of course I need to go listen to that video < 1422943682 592864 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1422943755 450342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear sounds that remind me of Das Boot < 1422943764 903314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I've only listened to because of Activeworldsa) < 1422943896 14923 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1422944264 468133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1}, {T}, Sacrifice a permanent: You lose the game. < 1422946534 280067 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1422947780 19615 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Make your clock app do elliptic curve encryption < 1422947964 655727 :technomad!~technomad@unaffiliated/technomad JOIN :#esoteric < 1422948049 866249 :technomad!~technomad@unaffiliated/technomad PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all < 1422948093 229523 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1422948216 296710 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1422948540 892014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome technomad < 1422948542 269028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02technomad: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1422948767 114373 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1422948950 766079 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422949097 728381 :technomad!~technomad@unaffiliated/technomad PART #esoteric :"dftba" < 1422949098 409055 :arjanb!8259adb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.178 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1422951162 285733 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422951331 412935 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422951773 260981 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1422951965 445089 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422952113 251783 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1422954814 559982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422955894 232488 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1422956179 890719 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1422956895 715454 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension on the assignment I pulled an all-nighter to finish. why am i angry < 1422957005 959949 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because i'm tired and cranky. going to sleep now < 1422957624 835903 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1422957643 396038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422959537 236405 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422959560 262835 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422959877 287827 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1422960066 837414 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422960275 216794 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1422960777 57853 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1422961837 196398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41797&oldid=41795 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+117) 10/* Syntax */ < 1422961899 872349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41798&oldid=41797 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+23) 10/* Syntax */ < 1422961929 40322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41799&oldid=41798 5* 03Taktentus 5* (-4) 10/* suma */ < 1422961958 997438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41800&oldid=41799 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+9) 10/* External resources */ < 1422962535 291498 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422964051 264249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422965133 662826 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1422966076 919467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PROTIST CHICKEN < 1422966100 238397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1422966315 74391 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1422966754 706220 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422967399 296698 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422967679 955450 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1422967764 429695 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422968053 95478 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1422968244 258745 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1422968258 772217 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1422968258 916912 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru JOIN :#esoteric < 1422968437 483631 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the computable numbers identical to the rationals? < 1422968449 429589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1422968463 220188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. pi and e are computable < 1422968477 414616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sqrts < 1422968488 415198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, well, lots of things. most things :p < 1422968498 202301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most continuous functions you've heard of are computable < 1422968511 436388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinuous functions cannot be < 1422968523 391320 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if they weren't computable it wouldn't be very useful < 1422968545 294367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaitin's constant isn't computable, though < 1422968607 107427 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh god, why would anyone even construct programs randomly < 1422968617 446962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean continuous in which topology? < 1422968625 960856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about functions on the reals? < 1422968631 450195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you can use chaitin's constant to decide the halting problem < 1422968647 359767 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://youtu.be/MuOvqeABHvQ < 1422968650 597182 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi < 1422968655 576288 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1422968663 150105 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :square pie by 3 < 1422968684 323610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, pi is just square root 10 minus some correction offset < 1422968688 980956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes reals < 1422968696 465690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1422968696 610646 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie mmm < 1422968705 560296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course complex numbers also work < 1422968709 84662 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott < 1422968891 640117 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the probability that a random program willdo something useful? < 1422968912 366983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but in that case, aren't there still a continuum many continuous functions from reals to reals, whereas only like countably many computable functions? < 1422968952 173335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I've probably only seen a countably many < 1422968957 58562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even fewer < 1422969104 214106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the "you've heard of" was important < 1422969150 370736 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random constants < 1422969195 611287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you won't get a non-computable continuous function by accident < 1422969229 502435 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mai < 1422969338 954308 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1422969371 380392 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422969381 511006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1422969393 639625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422971629 451504 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422971638 859792 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1422971686 614374 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422971706 567496 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1422971716 738808 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1422971740 279708 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Tennessee the heaven hurt when you fell from the it < 1422971776 26146 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iPhone keyboard ;( < 1422971804 219935 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can You look taktentus? < 1422971804 374130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Niedaw < 1422971805 855844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Niedaw: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1422971809 393352 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android keyboard < 1422971873 241314 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best interpreter? Binary native , jscript or script lang for ex. python < 1422971874 890582 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan niedaw needs your help since you are of the smart and I'm terrible at helping persons of such nature < 1422971900 50472 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ex? give us an exact language you want those for < 1422971927 94975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a rule i never help people when pushed to it hth < 1422971940 848721 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1422971953 366907 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan you want some lemon bread < 1422971967 891820 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made like seven loafs < 1422971971 283926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. my stomach is queasy today. < 1422971973 799649 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is hth? < 1422971979 614666 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell < 1422971986 564162 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that helps < 1422971995 829513 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hopes to much < 1422972083 354492 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1422972088 949115 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is necessqry to write compilator? Anybody use rodacy any compilator of esolang? < 1422972092 362674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do a rare visit of reddit.com/r/physics and learn that the gravitational wave discovery from last year is now officially dead http://www.nature.com/news/gravitational-waves-discovery-now-officially-dead-1.16830 < 1422972140 335579 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noooes < 1422972163 555949 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity is a theory < 1422972173 330514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth to earth, dust to dust < 1422972198 846235 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LighT to light < 1422972207 350605 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non < 1422972217 180564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: theory means something more in science than in ordinary language < 1422972228 214733 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1422972245 286996 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuclear fire to death < 1422972300 382891 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas let it be the knowns of the stuff that the gravities lives in the water cake of the stuff when to do the things we like do < 1422972313 113037 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't grammar some the times : ( < 1422972318 260754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed. < 1422972349 221554 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well I am of the randoms because I am most unstable of the bunch lol < 1422972398 652204 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ipecac is good for the soul < 1422972414 226288 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422972436 940227 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :minicat < 1422972463 562820 :minicat!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1422972511 59184 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {} < 1422972512 108608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘{’ < 1422972516 338720 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can You Check interpreter taktentus ? < 1422972524 236139 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you lambdabot < 1422972549 574044 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Niedaw < 1422972551 129979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ in haskell always requires something before it < 1422972556 955876 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422972567 959336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just {} < 1422972569 351641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just *Exception: :3:1-7: Missing field in record construction < 1422972586 83428 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan I didn't know that < 1422972594 980319 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably why I got so many parse errors < 1422972604 557240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let { x = 1 } in x+1 < 1422972606 70256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1422972615 405903 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::00000 < 1422972615 652929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those last brackets are redundant though < 1422972623 921801 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so < 1422972691 99799 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1422972695 281655 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this > let { x = 1 in x+1 is what you can do, or does it have to be { x = 1 } in x+1 < 1422972726 838021 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :two brackets to seperate the definition from the equation given? < 1422972729 412616 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422972756 243683 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one bracket to signify a new line to split from the last one? < 1422972768 201811 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422972772 624128 :Niedaw!2e70b58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.112.181.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1422972797 426557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: if you have one bracket, you must have both. < 1422972810 963329 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ok < 1422972818 636949 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so { doesn't work < 1422972826 77636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you leave them out, they'll be automatically inserted by the parser in that case < 1422972826 594361 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye I see now < 1422972848 86264 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> just { < 1422972849 227616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: < 1422972849 372708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1422972856 751122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's indentation blocks are syntactic sugar for { ; } < 1422972861 953959 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now :0 < 1422972872 858685 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 minute till school bus < 1422972883 918044 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic sugar < 1422972885 180017 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1422972903 649444 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks oerjan /.\ < 1422972903 892092 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422972937 181145 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjxrtyphhpwryqru PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1422972995 861702 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422973216 374871 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:augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422998332 964260 :oren!~oren@user3-215-11.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1422998337 672190 :puritania!~S1@p4FF92660.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S1 < 1422998435 310777 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1422999124 520803 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1422999359 211542 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1422999757 970597 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422999907 570787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422999924 266693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423000058 758589 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to write a paper about twodimensional esolangs, what the hell would you cite? < 1423000201 49284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there _any_ serous sources? < 1423000342 973081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CodeNMore 5* 10New user account < 1423001048 53665 :S1!~S1@p4FF92660.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1423001087 147459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, probably not < 1423001110 611787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe oklopol's thesis is relevant < 1423001129 205166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck, oko's in chile?? < 1423001769 302827 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link? > 1423001961 482354 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423001965 629356 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423001966 147551 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423002037 701820 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423002038 382208 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1423002041 837630 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423002042 354567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423002060 727131 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1423002146 871096 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423002309 502581 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423002391 93471 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423002463 247453 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili JOIN :#esoteric < 1423002551 317857 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww jquery is good ;-; < 1423002553 57431 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1423002570 310928 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a jquery validation engine once J_Arcane < 1423002623 100927 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423002670 74772 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was p. good < 1423002716 948006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, not directly, but his name's ville salo and if you find his website it'll be there somewhere < 1423002865 549556 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now at the point of debating whether I want to soldier on into the jQuery course, or backtrack and do the full HTML/CSS tutorial first. < 1423002883 476247 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm having some kind of nervous fit about resumes for some reason, so that's fun. < 1423002887 491153 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twapa.deviantart.com/art/Bucket-of-Tits-323028841 < 1423002891 574018 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric ::l < 1423002896 239146 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :the birds < 1423002901 547986 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty folk < 1423003076 772935 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorta the trouble with .js, innit, depending on what you're doing anyway. It's all the mucking about with the other parts of the web you have to deal with ... < 1423003276 6511 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423003870 932459 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a bool? < 1423003930 773198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of my maths lectures now-adays make me think "Wow, Category Theory is a really good idea" < 1423003948 482286 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :go create stuff < 1423004044 675564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you also think that about general topology too? < 1423004046 54093 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423004051 536318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other crazy topics like that < 1423004097 80233 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I haven't done any topology < 1423004298 283336 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423004331 456289 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't :0 < 1423004407 333569 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423004558 175063 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reading a marvellous book: A child's history of England, by Charles Dickens < 1423004594 811654 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was previously unaware that Dickens wrote any nonfiction < 1423004597 683821 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423004609 488880 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili PRIVMSG #esoteric :u didn't?! < 1423004615 234335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423004881 445748 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtnuausabtisktrt QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423004935 715691 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423004946 866259 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imojuphqqbinvldo QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423004956 434695 :supay|zzZZ!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qncluzkdwovtyalu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423004971 616335 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arright, let's see if I can make the spec for Al Dente better. < 1423005112 916248 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423005156 348349 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423005198 176746 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wewrigmepzxfmili QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423005295 896268 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1423005298 963883 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1423005479 969785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i find the syntax insufficiently pasta-inspired hth < 1423005504 939209 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but the syntax and semantics of the language are now immutable. < 1423005515 729259 :supay|zzZZ!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1423005527 322919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses < 1423005590 283509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taktentus looks like a language with polish < 1423005641 88202 :supay|zzZZ!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1423005641 267960 :supay|zzZZ!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwtyrrbgyravrjxf JOIN :#esoteric < 1423005643 652885 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423005674 972274 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sven said, Ted, send ten tents. Ted said, Sven, send ten cents. When Sven sent Ted ten cents, then Ted sent Sven ten tents. < 1423005747 522575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were some cheap tents < 1423005800 334395 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ropyzgkgrrdqfumr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423005809 991889 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they were some valuable cents. < 1423005837 372866 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Ted didn't really want the money and was just being a jerk. < 1423006288 161365 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skhskiwjkgchzgfb JOIN :#esoteric < 1423006330 366305 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjpylnifpsxonosh JOIN :#esoteric < 1423006339 823099 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Ted and Sven live in England, then they need to send pence < 1423006421 609134 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423006425 347272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penn hedged a plan to end the tent renting trend by sending ten tanks to tend to Ted and Sven. < 1423006462 913618 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1423006511 394300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly Ted should be called Trent. < 1423006538 841052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stuff like "This is a group homomorphism." "This is a ring homomorphism" "This is a linear transformation" and like they are all the same shape of things < 1423006609 766533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my mind is going "Yes, these are all subcategories of eachother, of course they are the same thing" < 1423006611 382820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a linear transformation is of course a vector space homomorphism < 1423006623 269890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just called something else for hysterical raisins < 1423006629 428779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, that was pointed out < 1423006651 324800 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An arrow is just a natural transformation between two functors on 1. < 1423006651 603839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all of those fit in the same universal algebra framework < 1423006664 429167 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really help matters much that my ring theory lecturer is the same person as my linear algebra lecturer < 1423006680 721620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1423006681 877324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1423006688 950758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm different arrow < 1423006692 587283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? morphism < 1423006693 793184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morphisms are just elements of the Hom-set of a pair of objects. < 1423006701 342862 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do profunctors form a category? < 1423006711 19653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you mean arrows = morphisms, right? < 1423006716 400610 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah. < 1423006736 585141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A morphism is just a natural transformation between two functors on 1. < 1423006739 296881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'morphism': A morphism is just a natural transformation between two functors on 1. < 1423006822 233317 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism Used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor < 1423006824 760305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism': Zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism Used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor < 1423006832 685175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1423006833 547491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1423006839 474760 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????????????? < 1423006847 415445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: `learn doesn't work that way < 1423006865 379584 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am right in thinking that the category of linear transformations and the category of ring homomorphisms are both subcategories of the category of group homomorphisms? < 1423006878 895797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/zy* < 1423006880 325005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/zy*: No such file or directory < 1423006887 531859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn < 1423006888 666240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1423006898 496924 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear transformations and ring homomorphisms are objects of categories? < 1423006914 89705 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1423006917 457751 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? something HackEgo doesn't know anything about < 1423006918 258977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something HackEgo doesn't know anything about? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1423006947 937072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, morphisms of categories < 1423006961 154052 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn learn `learn does not work this way. ) < 1423006976 597021 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423006977 164863 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: *nod* < 1423007002 2153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, which I guess makes them objects of another category? Category theory hurts my head sometimes < 1423007002 807342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1423007004 13050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1423007004 242240 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     | < 1423007004 403596 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   o/`¯º < 1423007070 743056 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see. A ring homomorphism could be seen as a group homomorphism, I guess. < 1423007080 637972 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423007085 542844 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck < 1423007086 658211 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But going from the ring homomorphism to the group homomorphism forgets information. < 1423007113 617556 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irc cloud account doesn't work < 1423007117 248526 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm sad < 1423007130 255198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, isn't the homomorphism just a function with a few restrictions? < 1423007146 674780 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1423007148 338497 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I lied. < 1423007153 543402 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1423007173 577434 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But turning the domain and codomain from rings into groups forgets information. < 1423007199 21058 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1423007205 237077 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423007206 903918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1423007210 845989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for there to be two rings with the same set and addition? < 1423007212 374110 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffdd < 1423007244 48997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's clearly a forgetful functor from rings to groups, but i don't know that those are thought of as subcategories? < 1423007244 209754 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah. < 1423007251 495547 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423007257 669379 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I may be wrong then < 1423007266 634549 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the integers with x added have the same addition group as the integers with sqrt(2) added. < 1423007269 609020 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizzles in anger < 1423007281 174158 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they don't. < 1423007289 825543 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the integers with sqrt(2) and the integers with sqrt(3). < 1423007306 720991 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The addition group is Z^2 either way. < 1423007324 523881 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but those are isomorphic; they don't have the same carrier. < 1423007340 672015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for example, GF(2^2) has the same additive structure as (Z/2Z)^2. < 1423007343 392642 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, make them have the same carrier. < 1423007377 672745 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the homotopy type theorists say, if x is isomorphic to y, then x is y. < 1423007402 387867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter dontes pairs of elements of Z/2Z with operations performed pointwise: (a,b)*(c,d) = (a*c,b*d)) < 1423007450 468121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Sorry, you're right of course. < 1423007483 664120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got distracted from the point (which is that Z[x]/(x^2-3) is a different ring from Z[x]/(x^2-2).) < 1423007492 99023 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1423007509 489145 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT!!!!! < 1423007524 827825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm using these representations because they have the same carrier if one chooses polynomials of degree less than 2 as representatives. < 1423007531 662417 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looses self < 1423007532 475740 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"naturally" < 1423007540 44487 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this client < 1423007546 531377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeMeat: right now you don't sound like the kind of person elliott would want to respond to hth < 1423007548 112227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeMeat: It's "loosens", hth. < 1423007560 98942 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its me eolus < 1423007561 439554 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1423007565 554877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was guessing < 1423007577 339044 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this stupid client wonr let me log on < 1423007599 194060 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanna contact him so I can leave this stupid client < 1423007599 355426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, good. < 1423007602 531883 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-----; < 1423007656 962041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeMeat: you can log on by sending private messages to nickserv < 1423007663 581882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I just happen to think that irccloud is a really stupid idea. < 1423007684 327608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would require a registered nick :P < 1423007696 949481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think Lilax is registered... < 1423007709 967280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uh-oh. < 1423007715 949218 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is NO nick serv system message on this < 1423007732 354068 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do /msg nickserv identify password < 1423007742 488849 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because /msg isn't a thing on this clienr < 1423007747 11407 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;------; < 1423007751 227476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1423007769 677934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"android irc client", but even so... < 1423007773 368880 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its an app < 1423007777 358126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeMeat: that sounds very implausible < 1423007783 1098 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjpylnifpsxonosh QUIT : < 1423007785 134278 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope won't let me log into lilax < 1423007786 949064 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1423007790 669236 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE < 1423007794 796008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "private message" or "direct message" feature? < 1423007797 279115 :CakeMeat!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Lilax < 1423007806 223936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either there is a way to send private messages, or that client should be banned hth < 1423007827 616217 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iisofnjnlaflvfhn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423007880 711254 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1423007884 304435 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fek < 1423007898 508369 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iisofnjnlaflvfhn NICK :Guest80873 < 1423007905 727447 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to bed now < 1423007912 973799 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1423007937 728799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Lilax, Eolus says he isn't you, what's your take on this matter of contention? < 1423007948 488949 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fffd < 1423007953 649037 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't fair < 1423007967 469423 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I logged out for a second and my account was taken < 1423007972 699321 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its me because < 1423007984 999122 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know elliotts thing < 1423008053 904228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the thing where he suddenly bans you from the channel? < 1423008069 569803 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the other thing ;---; < 1423008074 411397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not banning anybody < 1423008087 109271 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm Elliott that eolus is a fake < 1423008096 751274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is so polite these days < 1423008100 472917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a dead client connecting, from the looks of it < 1423008104 988693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from irccloud at least < 1423008125 684747 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did int-e get a message then? < 1423008141 433371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1423008181 527960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I got messages but nothing private. Err... < 1423008205 549320 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1423008221 319131 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't let me join from irc cloud ;-; < 1423008234 641901 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh batch of frownies < 1423008241 172428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I can't help milking a dead horse for puns. < 1423008246 833993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or mixing metaphors. < 1423008369 446544 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423008371 633651 :Guest80873!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iisofnjnlaflvfhn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhh < 1423008375 795402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :metap-horses < 1423008384 454628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SPEAKS < 1423008394 409916 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was me < 1423008407 481915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky < 1423008408 699354 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason its faded on irc cloud < 1423008421 64246 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it doesn't register as sent through < 1423008427 694779 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423008437 799798 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here It is < 1423008487 261088 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable < 1423008515 19652 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when I Try to log into that account < 1423008517 776612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Too bad the pronunciation doesn't work out: "When I see a bad pun I just nod and simile." < 1423008590 977544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: you need to send "recover nick password" to nickserv in that case < 1423008592 748120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's really annoying) < 1423008623 465180 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1423008623 664241 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1423008626 374738 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the cmd < 1423008648 612305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like /pv nickserv or /query nickserv < 1423008653 945947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/pv?? what a weird client) < 1423008711 412607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also /quote nickserv ... (communication with services often has builtin support in the IRC server, so "nickserv" and "chanserv" work as IRC commands) < 1423008813 390021 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423008833 424372 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1423008838 652289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, elliott seems to have read some actual client documentation... < 1423008848 204196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/pv ... hmm. < 1423008864 748132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :PriVate? < 1423008874 480972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's cheating! < 1423008892 599587 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1423008894 474450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PerVerted < 1423008899 404575 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dislike everything < 1423008963 699839 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423008967 125291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that include chocolate? < 1423008986 226894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1423009111 72272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "ten cent tents" can be parsed two ways. < 1423009228 649370 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423009251 490534 :Lilax!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Guest92557 < 1423009299 140895 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423009314 13339 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this clienr < 1423009395 354657 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423009418 113391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twogag.com/archives/1887 < 1423009425 568211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Al Dente14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41801&oldid=41775 5* 0398.243.16.185 5* (+2691) 10Add some illustrative examples < 1423009489 711283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423009630 493805 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423009651 813640 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Lilax account will expire in 30 days if another Lilax comes in here or anyone named after me and my nicks itz not me < 1423009655 229353 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yea < 1423009659 41057 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for a year < 1423009671 893450 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ bye guys < 1423009677 289284 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Guest92557 < 1423009697 666879 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423009698 654360 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it client < 1423009719 206679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no escape < 1423009725 650268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a hammer or a brick < 1423009727 342008 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuu < 1423009732 268469 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye!! < 1423009739 671669 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to help < 1423009849 937423 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423009975 200989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I missed? < 1423010003 299795 :Guest92557!~androirc@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423010014 589826 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-133-72.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423010015 231743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the usual, frustration, hatred, and outbreaks of outbursts. < 1423010326 433986 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423010721 161841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon. < 1423011000 948485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinnamon. < 1423011025 925611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423011903 268756 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423012055 27471 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423012080 279421 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423012202 136783 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423012251 449566 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at Forth and some legit esolangs like False, True and Dup. < 1423012291 365726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might add Underload then < 1423012292 425436 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to evolve and optimise algorithms using a GA < 1423012296 886372 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload eh? < 1423012310 365215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another concatenative one < 1423012318 271409 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah joy is on my list too < 1423012352 838491 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so much going for absurdity but I would like to enable self-modifying code < 1423012359 616755 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423012387 957364 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do all these have separate program memory from the stack? < 1423012432 789017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what exactly is self-modifying code? Is the lambda calculus self-modifying? < 1423012442 933580 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423012447 331668 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is < 1423012453 469420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the control/return stack too, at least < 1423012462 696924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't know about True and Dup) < 1423012479 306656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok in that case underload is also self-modifying < 1423012493 608137 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the practical matter of self-modification is reaching into program data and reading constants and references < 1423012508 623993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and joy, too. < 1423012537 219200 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the stack and the symbol table are disconnected right? < 1423012548 318040 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423012561 980103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well underload has no symbol table < 1423012571 183303 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to have a small instruction set but I'm aware of the turing tarpit quote from perlis < 1423012578 290090 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to check underload < 1423012654 842635 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah that looks cute < 1423012737 552339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Underload! )(~:S:^):^ < 1423012747 133590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops no fungot < 1423012756 488001 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's "the program" memory < 1423012765 731730 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ^ pops into it < 1423012779 50046 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it appends? < 1423012787 932227 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh inserts < 1423012807 591329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also think of it as rewriting the program < 1423012811 217035 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I'm going to have to think about this < 1423012819 698853 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I see that. I like the genericity < 1423012833 642570 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really < 1423012835 821631 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice < 1423013004 851000 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the tip oerjan < 1423013010 21690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1423013050 304350 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so awesome there's a compiler written in redcode < 1423013059 657060 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter < 1423013217 185133 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice... scala underload compiler that compiles scala < 1423013229 497710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote one in emmental, which btw is a self-modifying language where you modify the language _itself_. so my interpreter works by turning it into underload < 1423013244 172461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that's also stacky < 1423013276 466353 :tswett3!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423013283 724162 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah which < 1423013292 888997 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is not always awesome on jvm < 1423013312 77112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant emmental < 1423013316 740129 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry my enter key is overexcited < 1423013324 615906 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enmental... < 1423013343 147312 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1423013351 872277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit cheesy < 1423013360 496643 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need to let that soak in < 1423013387 237804 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the interpreter loaded into the program space? < 1423013429 739301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that you cannot really use the jvm stack directly for a stack language because the type checker won't accept it... < 1423013451 314282 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd love is a language where I can build crossover functions for a GA where the genotype corresponds to a program < 1423013457 707113 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423013485 849967 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use the stack directly in java but the real problem is there is no tail-call optimisation yet < 1423013493 566655 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423013495 367292 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so relying on recursion has limits < 1423013523 879025 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure provides (recurse ) < 1423013586 476679 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jvm is dayjob-compliant ... < 1423013601 117356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423013646 294393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that give you nightmares though? < 1423013669 977199 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ugzfemvowfcrlpje QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423013719 138545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is the interpreter loaded into the program space? <-- not sure what you mean < 1423013770 721674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official interpreter has a table from command characters to commands, essentially, which some of the commands update < 1423014023 178140 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yolvohcgxkwmcnfh JOIN :#esoteric < 1423014176 373714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of that table is called Interpreter < 1423014423 298738 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423014946 573544 :tswett3!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423015094 12948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded by blockzombie's nick to check up on bitcoin < 1423015106 411336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to still be slowly falling < 1423015645 95164 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :price is crazy < 1423015671 302721 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the price is not much affected by news on fundamentals at the moment < 1423015687 629895 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mostly margin traders pushing it around < 1423015702 869761 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they love the volatility... hedge funds are moving in now < 1423015719 584825 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're likely to see a major drop before the next bubble < 1423015743 282535 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely look into the tech though. < 1423015782 795644 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not sure which nightmares you mean < 1423015813 159391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nighmares about dayjobs, i assume < 1423015816 254675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t < 1423015841 967961 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was asking whether you modify the language itself by having the program loaded in as a kind of #include for the interpreter and then self-modification === modifying the language < 1423015850 619657 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh no jvm is not so bad < 1423015860 893035 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is pretty uninspiring < 1423015868 780248 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scala and clojure are fun < 1423015886 287821 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might try haskell properly this year < 1423015891 932126 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do get to play with stuff < 1423015896 487563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the emmental interpreter is in haskell < 1423015910 324074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather basic haskell in fact < 1423015929 743875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if i had written it it would have used a lot more higher order functions and monads) < 1423015937 949217 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm convinced haskell is awesome.. I've looked at it just not really got my hands dirty < 1423015965 544991 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you not write it? < 1423015976 605784 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423015990 990122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, chris pressey is the author of both the language and the interpreter < 1423016002 251404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote the underload interpreter in emmental < 1423016036 653542 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1423016039 590756 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad < 1423016169 239921 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423016170 77927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i generated it with haskell, here's the program for that http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/EmmUnl.hs < 1423016245 555198 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like pretty tricky stuff to me < 1423016265 669007 :Guest80873!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iisofnjnlaflvfhn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423016299 199403 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is the output?: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/ul.emm < 1423016379 966319 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423016499 613273 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what program representation poses the easiest crossover function. If you're familiar with GA you wan to "breed" two programs and ideally preserve implementation features from each program < 1423016580 952490 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems very easy to end up with a situation like disassembling two clocks into a bag, shaking it and tipping out half. What you end up with is not much like a working clock - least one that shares much with either "parent" < 1423016624 273252 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm familiar with evolving corewar warriors < 1423016811 126839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any real experience with GA < 1423016821 575301 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423016867 181561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just looking at my own haskell program there, i had forgotten a lot of the trickiness. also it was the first time i tried using lens. < 1423017238 353889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockzombie: maybe you could use something like chromosomes... < 1423017283 358031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where your combined program parts are chosen from corresponding parts of the originals < 1423017350 611265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works to make living organisms have a good chance of still working, anyhow < 1423017482 400544 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the mapping of parts has to be chosen < 1423017491 775827 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what constitutes a part? < 1423017507 904243 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underload terms < 1423017533 123484 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were modules then you could have intra and inter module variations < 1423017545 601288 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with different change coefficients < 1423017578 577574 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea. Is underload eqipped for this? < 1423017592 918995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a part would be a sequence of commands... < 1423017621 268094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume you would have to keep track of the parts outside underload. < 1423017689 666983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload doesn't have much in the way of analyzing its own subprograms. < 1423017718 445479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a safe way, anyway. < 1423017719 332715 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so part boundaries is what we're talking about. < 1423017763 387247 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect that something like 95% needs to be junk dna < 1423017770 164094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1423017780 420756 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is how mutation levels are insulated against < 1423017788 869376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit troublesome on a stack, actually. < 1423017797 254324 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"junk dna" is a misnomer < 1423017820 951891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because how does the non-junk find its data if the stack is filled with junk < 1423017838 801291 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423017841 70829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you do have nops i guess < 1423017851 644361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :()! is the simplest < 1423017853 786967 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well I'm not saying the stack is filled with junk, but the program is < 1423017885 903587 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key is it's not clear which is junk and which is useful... that's up to the tree of future generations < 1423017887 51260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well badly constructed junk would tend to seep onto the stack :P < 1423017898 584470 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is OK in theory < 1423017915 345258 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most dna is uncompetitive < 1423017949 340169 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I had a RISC cpu emulator instead of underload would I be any better off? < 1423017954 884606 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm trying to decide < 1423017987 715158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be that a language that keeps most of its data on the stack is unsuited to GA :( < 1423017989 244431 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first step is what set of producible programs are valid/executable < 1423018010 671304 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is the case then I will use something else < 1423018012 743284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because junk then gets in the way < 1423018036 56121 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering n-stacks < 1423018072 970934 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pointers to stacks, also potentially a symbol table of sorts < 1423018089 334862 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's be a random lookup mechanism to keep parts and their data connected < 1423018115 405801 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the flip side is you want to enable code to read randomly because that's an essential combining effect < 1423018147 444890 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good news is I only really need numeric types and I don't need any output < 1423018167 804998 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just halt and use the top of the stack as the "result" < 1423018180 902526 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really only need a binary or ternary output < 1423018191 450216 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a scalar < 1423018204 235628 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking aloud here < 1423018268 723842 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconsidering I think output is overkill... just use memory state at halt < 1423019337 924046 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I like the stack is because you can get away from having loads of abitrary operands. maybe the existence of operands is better than the alternative: long chains of stack manipulation code < 1423019355 632087 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in this channel because I can't figure this out < 1423019359 90567 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet < 1423019467 278274 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423019596 634060 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1423020969 227576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Well, good luck < 1423023361 398538 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423025081 428232 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423025608 123155 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1423025859 59368 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423025859 606805 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net QUIT : < 1423026015 405435 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423026192 630586 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423026259 687861 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423026290 392731 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423026527 357034 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423026724 54007 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must've got it. < 1423028958 387598 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thinking of adding) a new catergory to the wiki. Esoteric languages usable on Anarchy Golf. < 1423035666 432587 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you guys think. It's one of the few (only) places you can program in bonafide esolangs where it's of some - competative - use. < 1423035715 376110 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I came to esolangs via Anarchy Golf. I might not be the only one. < 1423036965 465081 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem useful because it depends on the whim of the anagol administrator; it could have anywhere from ten languages to the entire intersection of TC and Implemented < 1423037011 329480 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it a list article instead. Then you can also add content which would not fit in a category page. < 1423037031 473508 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. Good input. And that's a great idea. < 1423037232 187401 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just have get over my natural ability to write stubby wiki articles. < 1423039150 770266 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423040700 68189 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.148 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423040703 897017 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.80.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423041777 288234 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1423041802 526809 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423041825 277833 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423041870 645021 :supay|zzZZ!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwtyrrbgyravrjxf QUIT : < 1423041904 337051 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eyhrcvtkbhshtoyp JOIN :#esoteric < 1423042843 395263 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423044889 556276 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.80.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423044956 864691 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423048647 902490 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423048985 240331 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423049243 429356 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423049342 737955 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yolvohcgxkwmcnfh QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423049632 861659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Elboza 5* 10New user account < 1423050188 829595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41802 5* 03Elboza 5* (+28767) 10Created page with "{{featured language}} {{infobox proglang |name=brainfuck |paradigms=imperative |author=[[Urban Müller]] |year=[[:Category:1993|1993]] |memsys=tape-based |dimensions=one-dimen..." < 1423050356 619756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41803&oldid=41802 5* 03Elboza 5* (+14) 10 < 1423051132 774682 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423051770 973671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41804&oldid=41803 5* 03Elboza 5* (-24847) 10 < 1423051922 454728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41805&oldid=41804 5* 03Elboza 5* (-42) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1423051944 426041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41806&oldid=41805 5* 03Elboza 5* (+3) 10/* Language overview */ < 1423051945 808142 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uvonczergiaowvkm JOIN :#esoteric < 1423051999 830053 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052029 890397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41807&oldid=41806 5* 03Elboza 5* (-586) 10/* History */ < 1423052044 172982 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052104 391531 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052136 265444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1423052150 628558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not seeing the "-ng" part, I think. < 1423052166 633072 :PinealGl1ndOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052234 381312 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a place to live next year almos < 1423052235 377733 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1423052388 370714 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it's some kind of wip hth < 1423052395 908201 :trnv2!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052400 809457 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. moving away from York? < 1423052430 350050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, no, but my housemates are dispersing < 1423052434 153845 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I needed somewhere else < 1423052449 458546 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052455 195744 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 356866 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 517697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 517754 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 678928 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 679028 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 679126 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052455 679183 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423052462 705764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm moving into private student halls < 1423052468 223815 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1423052476 878660 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1423052601 770133 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so it goes. < 1423052632 334405 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ABRIDGED CHICKEN < 1423052655 485655 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I'm paying what I am now for rent but it includes utilities < 1423052672 810386 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 QUIT :Quit: Off to find the mythical clitoris. < 1423052745 118171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some men in Finland packed up the computers the other day. < 1423052775 111682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently they had also made disparaging comments about the amount of computers, and the weight of the monitor. < 1423052787 619132 :trnv2!jhj@trnsz.com NICK :trn < 1423052926 504402 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423052981 472398 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :Guest56395 < 1423053562 637306 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423053606 319009 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-immrjokvclkoczee JOIN :#esoteric < 1423053606 480043 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-immrjokvclkoczee QUIT :Changing host < 1423053606 480167 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1423053829 685720 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So come July probably I will be slightly further east than my current location < 1423054648 767030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, Conor McBride is doing a seminar on dependent types in half an hour < 1423054652 160285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go < 1423054949 34864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mazeman 5* 10New user account < 1423055383 122222 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423055638 551900 :Guest56395!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :paul2520 < 1423055669 518681 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :Guest22773 < 1423055690 834644 :Guest22773!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :paul2520 < 1423055715 268405 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1423055715 469129 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423056124 469600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41808 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+2180) 10Created page with "'''Mice in a maze''' is another brainfuck derivative. It was invented in 2015 by an anonymous user. Mice in a maze was inspired by items called cellular automata, especially C..." < 1423056162 274053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41809&oldid=41796 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+21) 10/* M */ < 1423056208 476816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41810&oldid=41808 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+6) 10/* Defining a maze */ < 1423056229 190673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41811&oldid=41810 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+7) 10/* Defining a maze */ < 1423056255 76661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41812&oldid=41811 5* 03Mazeman 5* (-6) 10/* Defining a maze */ < 1423056281 57628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41813&oldid=41812 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+0) 10/* Basics */ < 1423056375 822302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41814&oldid=41813 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+145) 10/* Syntax */ < 1423056388 598199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41815&oldid=41814 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+1) 10/* = Example maze */ < 1423056424 149694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41816&oldid=41815 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1423056551 562039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41817&oldid=41816 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+104) 10/* Instructions */ < 1423056567 233600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41818&oldid=41817 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+0) 10/* Defining a maze */ < 1423056656 476947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41819&oldid=41818 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+7) 10/* Example maze */ < 1423056683 665391 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423056715 176507 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423057231 646948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41820&oldid=41819 5* 03TomPN 5* (+430) 10/* Example programs */ < 1423057388 771513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41821&oldid=41807 5* 03Elboza 5* (-76) 10 < 1423057512 943563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41822&oldid=41821 5* 03Elboza 5* (+0) 10 < 1423058485 178235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41823&oldid=41822 5* 03Elboza 5* (+727) 10 < 1423058568 251240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41824&oldid=41823 5* 03Elboza 5* (+12) 10/* ReverseFuck mode */ < 1423058700 177057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41825&oldid=41824 5* 03Elboza 5* (+74) 10/* ReverseFuck mode */ < 1423058776 842841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41826&oldid=41825 5* 03Elboza 5* (+34) 10/* ReverseFuck mode */ < 1423058854 483013 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41827&oldid=41826 5* 03Elboza 5* (+0) 10 < 1423058931 987801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41828&oldid=41827 5* 03Elboza 5* (+18) 10 < 1423059198 925932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41829&oldid=41828 5* 03Elboza 5* (+9) 10 < 1423059442 980170 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423059789 878824 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423059839 389596 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1423060763 236221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423061208 807255 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423061340 688263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :What is the land-speed velocity of a migrating fungot? | reaking ubbles and ursting arriers | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1423061421 504871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure whether "unladen" would be better or worse < 1423061763 39625 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423061814 179370 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423062119 278340 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423062257 610468 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423062448 226896 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423062588 827533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh testing if my stomach had got well enough to drink orange juice again was a mistake. < 1423062736 585055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the test results were "no") < 1423063018 426368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the keyboard controls of tatham's Bridges are somewhat annoying, you cannot always easily undo a wrong cursor movement < 1423063081 596419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's too easy to jump away from a node that's hard to get back to < 1423063564 581477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be fine for a different kind of game, but here navigation isn't supposed to be the real puzzle... < 1423063568 228311 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no java plugin here. < 1423063616 394936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if you're looking at tatham's puzzles, i think there's also js versions? (i'm playing the offline downloaded versions) < 1423063725 605962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not really assuming you're talking about that, mind you) < 1423063734 262094 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's Hashiwokakero. < 1423063775 13655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of tatham's puzzles are renamed nikoli puzzles, i think < 1423063778 752680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I googled, and the first hit was the java version. < 1423063786 491172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even sudoku got a different name < 1423063878 716147 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423064014 539405 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423064049 298945 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423064380 280754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I seem to be too used to Nikoli's interface (which doesn't have the feature of locking completed nodes, but marks them in gray, and which allows removing bridges by clicking on them.) < 1423064719 854562 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423064761 236564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, removing a single bridge is a litle awkward < 1423064848 24183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just added it, then "u"ndo works of course < 1423064853 462417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t < 1423064962 835398 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423065041 290520 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1423065468 329084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Intgr 5* 10New user account < 1423065613 92756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is that you, but more grammatical? < 1423065654 248226 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423065700 301075 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423065795 723038 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems unlikely < 1423065822 794172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1423065855 30611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the keyboard *navigation* for the bridges thing is awkward... < 1423065873 212144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was saying duh < 1423065961 288282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get used to it, but don't make any typing mistakes... < 1423065967 277482 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423066092 490625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are always the "how the f do i get to there" moments < 1423066145 656139 :rsal!rsal@82.128.138.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423066164 411643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this all about? < 1423066176 127685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tatham's Bridges puzzle < 1423066205 875364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which int-e has pointed out is a version of nikoli's Hashiwokakero < 1423066258 2535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see, but that's not how I understood your complaint at first. (Personally I don't really find myself wanting to undo much; however I do find myself pressing cursor keys randomly to get to a nearby-but-not-adjacent spot.) < 1423066304 588448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that just doesn't work... < 1423066333 531457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1423066387 332481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo is _very_ nice when you realize you've made a mistake a while ago < 1423066474 491838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i sometimes end up carefully undoing each step, checking if it was actually certain, getting back to the beginning of the game, winding forward and discovering my second to last step was fishier than it looked at first recheck < 1423066577 407118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unlimited undo mechanism is common to all of tatham's puzzles, of course. < 1423066652 176229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do wrong _now_ < 1423066842 931602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41830&oldid=41829 5* 03Elboza 5* (+1765) 10 < 1423066876 646812 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423067546 89253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41831&oldid=41830 5* 03Elboza 5* (+424) 10 < 1423067755 322515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, the javascript version gets stuck from time to time for me, refusing to process further events :/ < 1423067850 476719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41832&oldid=41831 5* 03Elboza 5* (+174) 10 < 1423067872 322059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "Cannot enlarge memory arrays." ... apparently 30x30 is too much for the thing. < 1423067945 562260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41833&oldid=41832 5* 03Elboza 5* (+0) 10 < 1423068068 406224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41834&oldid=41833 5* 03Elboza 5* (+4) 10 < 1423068221 602322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41835&oldid=41834 5* 03Elboza 5* (+12) 10 < 1423068247 707774 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best friend might be getting a job in finland < 1423068275 977637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the economy in finland these days? < 1423068301 726069 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423068369 547480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not good. < 1423068388 497868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all relative, of course. < 1423068406 930470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think Finland is technically still in a "slump". < 1423068442 358901 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423068491 192350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oecd.org/economy/surveys/economic-survey-finland.htm and I don't think things have improved terribly much since that was updated. < 1423068529 857393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you don't have to use the web interface, there are native compiled versions you can download if you want. < 1423068566 973474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Web framework list14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41836 5* 03Intgr 5* (+678) 10List of esoteric web application frameworks. Most of these are fully functional web frameworks that aren't about making the coder's life easier. Often they are a response to the hype wave surrounding some technologies (such as Ruby on Rails). < 1423068657 896153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, but couldn't be bothered. The generated problems don't look all that interesting. < 1423068664 774993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Web framework list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41837&oldid=41836 5* 03Intgr 5* (-55) 10Not a functional framework < 1423068700 921451 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423068740 847594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (I'm actually still at work.) < 1423068796 376962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bridges doesn't seem to generate very hard problems. although i recall it used to be even worse. < 1423068799 255710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otoh I missed the source code in my previous visits to that website < 1423068855 498374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: increasing the size to 30x30 seemed to help a little. But of course then it becomes tedious to get to the few non-trivial conclusions. < 1423068868 15668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice (Re: computers) < 1423068869 641560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*re: < 1423068959 345755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423069323 25050 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423069440 491200 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423069458 24345 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423069499 129468 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423069678 227787 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Web framework list14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41838 5* 03Intgr 5* (+870) 10Background for creating this pagfe < 1423069710 414098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Web framework list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41839&oldid=41837 5* 03Intgr 5* (-98) 10Per discussion at [[Talk:Cobol on Cogs]], it's just a joke and not real working software < 1423069774 935063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1423070172 917847 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: gtg < 1423070337 31683 :TieWorking!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1423070923 217465 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423071046 370753 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423071946 515651 :oren!~oren@user3-216-41.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423072136 816718 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423072158 517204 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423072366 582385 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-39-54.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423072376 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1423076043 238813 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423076828 495865 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423077137 249307 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1423077246 855495 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1423078268 860969 :intgr!~ftw@wikipedia/intgr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423080191 932420 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423080313 460648 :oren!~oren@user3-216-41.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423081171 378638 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423081245 910478 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423081552 936644 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423081810 745480 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : whoah: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram < 1423082183 556298 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423082281 67189 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing < 1423082312 496115 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423082428 232284 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423082458 907971 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't they use quaternary instead of binary? would make storage more dense, right? < 1423082546 437899 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, A = 0, T = 1, C = 2, G = 3 < 1423082569 664031 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they didn't do that < 1423083544 377699 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423083596 932695 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423085210 851394 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423085394 410734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41840&oldid=41525 5* 0369.166.47.107 5* (+384) 10Rely on SSRI and say 'hi-ho' in the coffee shop. < 1423085463 851978 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that would be missleading if you start reading the wrong helix < 1423085645 268103 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423085865 11675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41841&oldid=41835 5* 03Elboza 5* (+72) 10 < 1423086471 645705 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423086493 352449 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423086521 354508 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423086948 195421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiesoul: even stranger that each binary value cknsists of both a purine and pyrimidine. you'd think it would easier to distinguish those from each other than those of the same shape < 1423087792 606739 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423087855 458973 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423088036 43984 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1423088467 721522 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423088640 208768 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423088833 828028 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1423089130 381807 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423090232 577498 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423090281 561524 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1423090558 401205 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423090740 290509 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423090784 235637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423091417 379608 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Staring at a Javascript exercise unsure how to solve it, when some tinkering reveals you can more or less write point-free style in JS too, of a sort: function squareDigits(num){ return parseInt(num.toString().split("").map(function (x) { return x*x; }).join(""));} < 1423091542 938801 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423091652 927454 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423091709 447342 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423091761 309991 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423091779 371563 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423092597 933614 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423092711 888937 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423092733 868572 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423093209 304887 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423093598 119893 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423093934 86010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423094726 302194 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423094845 308330 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423094859 59696 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1423094879 831736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing errors by adding one ghc extension at a time... < 1423094887 777174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1423094938 403051 :shikhin_!~shikhin@120.59.228.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423094939 613401 :shikhin_!~shikhin@120.59.228.46 QUIT :Changing host < 1423094939 802630 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423095029 492484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i'm trying to show that current ghc (well, 7.8.3) _can_ express the types necessary to implement the new kind-aware Typeable without a builtin solver. but it needs a _lot_ of extensions. < 1423095039 833379 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423095083 106570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell®jan. < 1423095108 810530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah now it accepts everything except the main function < 1423095123 876942 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423095126 33044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want to change that because this is supposed to be backwards-compatible :( < 1423095171 10168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i haven't defined a Kindable instance for () < 1423095264 902363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it compiled, but it thinks main isn't in scope < 1423095295 3870 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is there any problem about () being the name of both a value and a type? < 1423095319 676592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in normal haskell, no. < 1423095348 861687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is with DataKinds, so in theory you would add a ' in front of the value one when promoting it to a type. < 1423095361 593797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm using the kind so that's not necessary. < 1423095369 69659 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1423095421 326131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i forgot to save the file after i uncommented main again :P < 1423095432 433164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works! < 1423095539 316270 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1423095551 273664 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423095606 518690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/TypeableDesign/ < 1423095683 30075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest epiphany that made this possible is that you can have a type family as a superclass < 1423095784 153257 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1423095825 284716 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Client Quit < 1423096175 637399 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet TOPIC #esoteric :What is the land-speed velocity of a migrating fungot? | acking ubbles and urting arriers | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1423096280 383975 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafellot. urting? < 1423096302 745822 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ursting? < 1423096355 234763 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423096356 833376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :alk o he and. < 1423096535 953587 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: ursting as asy, ut 'm aving rouble ith urting. < 1423096544 278014 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: eah ight, s f. < 1423096599 551477 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou aving iggle, ate? < 1423096755 85449 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elp, 'm ompletely ost ere. < 1423096799 81631 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I s l y g a n s f l! < 1423096807 465638 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H y g. T a o m. < 1423096820 809936 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O c, j t f l o e w d p e i t r t s. < 1423096842 37562 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I m, I g t f l c s a a m o s w y w t r t s l. < 1423096850 105980 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1423096874 231283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou re ll vil < 1423096892 504138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erjan: ot y ault. our win tarted t. < 1423096903 439415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h. < 1423096963 57772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h. < 1423097090 166293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here goes < 1423097112 455557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should actually join #ghc < 1423097128 175166 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have plugged a few stealth diæreses in all that unusual discussion... < 1423097146 579243 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1423097158 103745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just claim they were all in the censored letters hth < 1423097243 833846 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where'd've put them. very discreet, elegant in their placement. not unlike a zen garden ambush. < 1423097287 150547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like plants vs. zombies? < 1423097301 39136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't actually played that, but has heard good things < 1423097545 375738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: type family as a superclass @_@ < 1423097589 240146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, wasn't implicit Typeable for all types meant to be part of the Typeable redo to start with? < 1423097592 226906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like that didn't happen? < 1423097605 759909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1423097667 513760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zen zombies. zenbies. < 1423097710 344373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i started thinking, if you want to deduce that subparts of kinds are kinds, you need to make that fact a superclass if ghc's inference is to comprehend it properly. but the problem is, different kinds have different number of subparts, so i couldn't put a fixed number of them as superclasses. then i realized the obvious... < 1423097736 886706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*representable kinds < 1423097750 392207 :lurklurklurk!~kvirc@c-50-160-151-149.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423097753 356691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Kindable kinds < 1423097760 93630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lurklurklurk < 1423097776 946745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09lurklurklurk: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1423097792 726736 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacking Hubbles and hurting harriers. < 1423097798 752533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may lurk, but you won't get slower than HackEgo < 1423097807 723043 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a proper noun. < 1423097812 841113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacking Hubbles and hurting Harriers. < 1423097851 396680 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 TOPIC #esoteric :What is the land-speed velocity of a migrating fungot? | acking ubbles and urting arriers | ZFC is a Chu space. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1423097861 633856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "comprehend it properly", i mean comprehend it without you needing to repeat it at every usage site. < 1423097861 834001 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just felt like announcing to the world that ZFC is a Chu space. < 1423097882 121145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1423097895 935506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because everything is, right?) < 1423097904 44962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same with category theory) < 1423097909 368451 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. have you invented that? < 1423097912 525955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07StackStacks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41842&oldid=40793 5* 03Oj742 5* (-5) 10/* Instructions */ Corrected stack effect diagrams < 1423097914 853691 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose you could say that everything is a Chu space. < 1423097922 737627 :lurklurklurk!~kvirc@c-50-160-151-149.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1423097924 994224 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ZFC is a Chu space in a particular meaningful way. < 1423097927 637105 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I did, but then I forgot < 1423097938 629656 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :lurklurklurk, you seem to not be lurking particularly well < 1423097942 35284 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lurklurklurk: hi! < 1423097947 449603 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define the points as being the models of ZFC, and the states as being the statements in the language of ZFC. < 1423097962 514809 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the r function is the truth function. 1 if the statement is true in the model, 0 if it's not. < 1423098004 300664 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every theory of a similar sort is a Chu space in the same way. < 1423098049 481536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds related to gödel's second completeness theorem < 1423098063 203286 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then a morphism from a theory A to a theory B consists of a mapping of models of A to models of B, and a mapping of statements of B to statements of A, where the two mappings are compatible. < 1423098120 885351 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given a model m of A and a statement s in B, the image of s is true in m if and only if s is true in the image of m.) < 1423098139 399242 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure G&owithanumlaut;del only had one completeness theorem. < 1423098362 680985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he started working on another, but he didn't finish. < 1423098373 542517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1423098479 222162 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second incompleteness theorem, for ZFC: if the statement "ZFC has a model" is true in every model of ZFC, then there exist no models of ZFC. < 1423098831 614092 :lurklurklurk!~kvirc@c-50-160-151-149.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1423098886 622071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does this handle datakinds < 1423098897 726498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't possibly, right? < 1423098899 759050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically, I mean < 1423098957 666294 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think this little fact generalizes to other types of theories without insanely much trouble. < 1423098962 889499 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, consider the calculus of constructions. < 1423099045 897998 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Points are models of the calculus of constructions. States are terms in the calculus of constructions. Then the r function is what value a term denotes in a model. < 1423099114 238871 :arjanb!8259ad64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.100 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1423099712 433900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423099988 418605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um nothing about it is automatic, but it's just a matter of making deriving (Typeable) also derive the corresponding Kindable instance for the datakind. i have [] and () as examples in the file. < 1423099992 825752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1423100329 286224 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So certain theories seem to have "free models". < 1423100361 766297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, consider this theory: < 1423100405 185937 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists an object x. For all objects x, there exists an object y. < 1423100427 562242 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free model of that theory is the natural numbers. < 1423100525 792648 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is a better way of stating that theory. There exists an object 0. For all objects x, there exists an object S(x). < 1423100598 597876 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, that is consistent with the natural numbers < 1423100609 966154 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. The natural numbers are a model of that theory. < 1423100630 835768 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any set, along with a point in that set and a function from the set to itself, is a model of that theory. < 1423100637 725732 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the natural numbers are the free model. < 1423100645 141737 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my idea of a "free model" might be the same thing as a term model. < 1423100648 257206 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the set {{}} a model? < 1423100695 854649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1423100703 10095 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. 0 = {}, and S({}) = {}. < 1423100747 601697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also a free algebra < 1423100762 750606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the natural numbers with the operation S < 1423100795 658337 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. An algebra is pretty much a type of model, right? < 1423100803 440192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1423100817 386117 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An algebra is the same thing as a model, a type-of-algebra is the same thing as a theory. < 1423100821 352953 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1423100850 967540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this type-of-algebra is a variety. < 1423100915 875494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with no equations, even < 1423100948 360685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does that mean it's a free variety?) < 1423101071 800570 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, categories aren't a type-of-algebra, right? Categories are two-sorted, and one of the sorts is parameterized by the other. < 1423101105 97675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ignore the objects and use the identity morphisms instead < 1423101127 161866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the fact composition isn't always defined may be a bigger problem < 1423101200 464539 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, ooh. Lemme see if I understand the proof of the model existence theorem. < 1423101219 39241 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose we have a consistent theory in first-order logic. < 1423101250 701177 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a statement, there are three possibilities: the theory entails that it's true, the theory entails that it's false, or the statement is independent of the theory. < 1423101278 769001 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So look through all statements that exist. Whenever you find a statement that's independent of the theory, just arbitrarily decide whether it's true or false. < 1423101301 136412 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have an assignment of a truth value to every possible statement. < 1423101309 188765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it needs to be independent of the theory and the statements you've already decided < 1423101317 348793 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1423101360 749936 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... I don't know if you can go from this assignment of a truth value to every statement to a model. < 1423101464 551126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for every existence theorem that you've decided to be true, you need to choose a witness for it < 1423101474 844165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*existence statement < 1423101498 52520 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we need to have witnesses. < 1423101506 355645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and then you get to decide statements involving that witness as a free variable < 1423101617 347568 :PinealGl1ndOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423101681 553196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you probably use zorn's lemma to show you've got a maximal element where everything is decided and everything has witnesses < 1423101704 951546 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boy. < 1423101713 159924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(element of the set of partial assignments) < 1423101759 816706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you don't actually need choice, i don't know this < 1423102047 155918 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the set of all statements is countable. < 1423102084 999183 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just enumerate them and say that each nondisprovable one is true, or each nonprovable one is false. < 1423102091 17662 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that doesn't give you witnesses. < 1423102114 131043 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I guess you ultimately get a model just by saying that each term is an element of the model, and you glue two terms together if the model entails that the two terms are equal. < 1423102129 1593 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, if the augmented theory entails that. < 1423102393 707694 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423102581 752156 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423102608 285112 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423102963 375196 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423103394 680503 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my view of things is pretty classical-finitistic. < 1423103419 371775 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423103490 261418 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you start talking about uncountable collections, I start to think that you're not really talking about "real mathematical objects" but rather hypothetical ones. < 1423103571 395489 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I want to figure out how to do model theory without actually talking about models. < 1423103943 570200 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely feel like there should be a concept of morphisms between models. There probably is. < 1423103957 290141 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There pretty much has to be. < 1423104033 882290 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on the flavor of theory, though. < 1423104061 182201 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The group axioms are a sort of theory, right? A model of the group axioms is a group. < 1423104093 153972 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a morphism between two models of the group axioms is a function such that, what. < 1423104124 204435 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True statements remain true when you take the image of every point mentioned in the statement. < 1423104148 215700 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423104263 805473 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. i was wondering lately, why Notation3 isnt used as a programming language per-se < 1423104435 981924 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and couldnt come up with anything :) < 1423104461 750548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can you write fizzbuzz in it? < 1423104480 857445 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any dtlc < 1423104497 207149 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any HOL < 1423104515 849983 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a DTLC? < 1423104524 553284 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependently typed lambda calculus < 1423104526 456828 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Idris < 1423104532 577508 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda < 1423104543 720428 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq < 1423104568 593871 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds pretty nice. < 1423104575 201720 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is it interpretable? < 1423104596 853304 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...yes and no < 1423104612 679802 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont actually interpret it, you ask it logic questions < 1423104638 148621 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand you could translate it isomorphically to Idris then idris compiler will compile it to C and gcc from there < 1423104660 527388 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you actually query it with tools like cwm < 1423104727 205198 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "given those rules, what should i do now?" < 1423104731 598102 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's isomorphic to Idris, then there exists a map from Idris to Notation3. < 1423104745 557958 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there's a map < 1423104745 954388 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so program in Idris, then translate. < 1423104769 633693 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sounds better to program in n3 and then translate. or not translate at all, but query, or infer < 1423104826 651446 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc Curry-Howard isomorphism has to be kept in mind wrt this < 1423104911 589180 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXTRACURICULAR CHICKEN < 1423104936 123024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1423104937 763605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1423105028 752600 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423105113 362064 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423106445 385304 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423106475 750331 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423106586 353225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423106757 226365 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423106998 359606 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423107002 326693 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something: Perl and python code is easy to write but herd to read because it lacks redundancy. < 1423107061 890926 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. python variables never state what exactly their type or usage is. < 1423107101 723220 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not make an interpreter which, as it executes, inserts redundancy into the surce < 1423107141 704607 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :redundant information such as the type of variables < 1423107222 367260 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 < 1423107417 279401 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the original source it might say "var x = y * z", but after you run it the first time, the source now says "matrix[batch_size,number_of_outputs] x = y * z" < 1423107888 46212 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ could also use such thing. E.g. have an auto type, but have it replaced upon compilation with the variable's actual type < 1423108042 490145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lots of editing environments for languages with type inference you can query the inferred type of some expression or variable in the code < 1423108891 309467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your latest code on #9858 scares me. < 1423109048 342791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1423109060 95789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you were right that type families were a good idea < 1423109101 24704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was right that having things be superclasses was a good idea < 1423109182 841248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my hands hate you for suggesting 30 x 30 bridges hth < 1423109303 448661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Putting the constraints directly in the type family is quite clever. Anyway, there's still the question of whether one wants to track the whole kind of type constructors or just the poly-kinded arguments. For the former, you need the Kindable superclass for Typeable; for the latter, perhaps you don't. < 1423109385 492505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did the latter, which in retrospect is the main reason why the KindRep stuff didn't infect the normal Typeable (s a) instance.) < 1423109498 331693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my point in having Kindable a superclass is so it doesn't have to mentioned explicitly in type signatures, giving backwards compatibility < 1423109504 571323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be < 1423109651 123754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my instance code for Typeable (a b) doesn't mention Kindable now. < 1423109707 430463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i don't put the kind in the TypeRep for the monokind types < 1423109742 519638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's still in the superclass of course < 1423109979 840133 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423109993 7805 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffft I hate phones < 1423110004 454732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noisy little buggers < 1423110021 910643 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They never work >:( < 1423110046 481301 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1423110085 315636 :Guest81556!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423110119 599737 :Guest81556!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Lilax < 1423110146 201982 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so just getting used to and chat < 1423110452 148272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So essentially, you've circumvented the open world assumption, saying "well, whatever the instance is, it *will* contain evidence for the parts, just as if the standard instance had been used." < 1423110470 44803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tricky. < 1423110512 926179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a complication that the compiler doesn't actually face. < 1423110550 499536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at my kind-polymorphic recursion test cases? < 1423110558 172092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on the matter of not breaking code, I wonder how many uses that amount to variations on typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Proxy) are out there. < 1423110754 167295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there are no working uses out there that depend on typeReps actually distinguishing kinds < 1423110954 328510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Okay, let me split that up into two questions. 1. Are there any users who inadvertently use a Typeable instance whose kind is not fully instantiated at runtime? 2. What will the [user-visible] type of typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Proxy) be under the proposed solutions? I *hope* that the Kindable (or Typeable) constraint for the kind will show up in that type. < 1423111028 8926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Kindable Proxy) arising from a use of ‘typeRep’ < 1423111028 169602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘k0’ is ambiguous < 1423111224 367040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr there's an Any_K or something that's used when a kind isn't known < 1423111289 496623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deliberately didn't suggest any test cases that pick up a kind from something non-Typeable passed in < 1423111313 720531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i feel those "morally" shouldn't compile < 1423111345 63837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making them actually work would essentially require having no kind erasure < 1423111362 845468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1423111463 442104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know whether anyone has mixed Typeable with code depending on kind polymorphism in an essential way. < 1423111465 694030 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries silently < 1423111478 328626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives Lilax a lollipop < 1423111495 849284 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank < 1423111584 12198 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423111792 695463 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423111806 22355 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.66.243 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1423111807 278195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, I need to think about this some more. < 1423111854 315234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what i can see happening is some polymorphic code with signature (Typeable a, Typeable b) => ... and then applying some polymorphic type constructor to an (a b) inside < 1423111886 222466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the most likely case where the "solver" solution needs to decompose kinds < 1423111922 228596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If one goes against your stated "moral" principle, just using Any_K will be insufficient, because it cannot distinguish kinds (forall k. k -> k) and (forall k1 k2. k1 -> k2) or ((forall k.k) -> (forall k.k)). < 1423111932 20044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you cannot actually deduce that a b's kind is Kindable, then you cannot make a Typeable instance for the polymorphic type constructor < 1423111988 159444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is Any_K a kind or a type again < 1423112045 639896 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell? < 1423112064 144466 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a noob :0 < 1423112099 606041 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423112220 93135 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423112260 351293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot remember where i found it < 1423112298 72267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably kinds tend to default to * anyway < 1423112415 662762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: anyway, the representation i made up today is meant to work about the way i understood goldfire's explanation of how the solver would work, except written in existing haskell. < 1423112495 93477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as i've mentioned, i believe the essential need to decompose kind representations comes about already when constructing Typeable (a b) < 1423112601 291771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is this interesting sentence on the wiki page: "Although it is impossible to create all necessary Typeable instances for poly-kinded constructors at the definition site (there's an infinite number), it is possible to create Typeable "instances" on demand at use sites." < 1423112629 315688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1423112638 387224 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhmm < 1423112670 655810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the sentence that made me think they were only constructing kind-monomorphic instances, and led to me making those test examples < 1423112694 115894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've disproved that sentence now :P < 1423112720 168573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll add a comment. < 1423112742 452647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1423113098 823544 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai < 1423113204 847253 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423113847 57533 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423114618 799258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't think it's impossible to adjust my representation to be more clever about leaving out redundant kind info in TypeReps < 1423115161 163058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that took longer than expected. < 1423115176 367334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did? < 1423115184 547465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment :P < 1423115323 982817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hope I managed to express the concern that hiding evidence is bad. < 1423115529 887945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've used that phrase... < 1423115545 251496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now i'm worrying about your second point too < 1423115553 87599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I suspect kinds default to *. < 1423115558 792903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no evidence, though. < 1423115564 735638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Core will tell you < 1423115593 506553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think any defaulting happens at all. < 1423115600 259119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my tests with my implementation indicate that the kind stays ambiguous and the program fails to compile. < 1423115606 606416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kinds are erased after all. Who cares if they're still polymorphic ;-) < 1423115609 397345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, alright. < 1423115618 119912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is basically like GHC's "Any" stuff then < 1423115620 92737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just, implicitly) < 1423115664 206614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when they aren't erased, and that's what happens with oerjan's code. < 1423115670 275848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for the first point, my idea was that all Kindable contexts have to come from a Typeable one, which must be explicit if it is now. < 1423115720 52038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kinds should be able to be instances before anything like this i done < 1423115723 886843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1423115729 808337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can just use Typeable rather than adding a new class. < 1423115733 642478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, mumble. I wanted to mention that that function currently has type Proxy Proxy -> TypeRep < 1423115756 662801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So for backward compatibility, it cannot take a Typeable context. < 1423115775 138732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1423115802 651062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. i suspect this will be a problem for _all_ the suggested solutions. < 1423115987 749757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I clarified that. < 1423115989 287216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if there is an _explicit_ type signature, then i think kinds default to *. < 1423116030 221603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is _not_ an explicit type signature, then inferring a Typeable constraint, or defaulting to * if there is a monomorphism restriction involved, might be the best thing. < 1423116089 932858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess with my method the constraint would actually be Kindable. oh well. < 1423116142 283378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect in most cases that appear in practice, * will be what's intended if there is nothing to disambiguate. < 1423116312 929241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think kinds should be able to be instances before anything like this i done <-- that's not _quite_ the same thing as types and kinds being able to be instances of the _same_ class. both would help here, of course. < 1423116349 530507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, I never considered burying kindable evidence as a possible solution, so I always assumed that any solution that closes the Typeable hole would break *some* code. < 1423116354 73182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, that's what I mean. < 1423116357 505975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get that done before doing all this. < 1423116364 462615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'' < 1423116365 524939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1423116380 383023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it's fine for code to pick up additional Typeable constraints, honestly < 1423116383 986217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well this is meant to be a stopgap solution for 7.10, first. < 1423116391 726217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, come on, BBP and everything ish appening < 1423116398 34773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess this way doesn't break compatibility so it would be "okay" < 1423116407 159790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but please fix it at some point, thanks :p < 1423116515 358253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i always assumed there would be some _possible_ code that could break, but your typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Proxy) example has convinced me it's more likely than i thought that it's actually out there. < 1423116541 677405 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423116604 70443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's see what Richard (and perhaps SPJ) think about this < 1423116671 21997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we didn't worry about breaking backwards compatibility at _all_, then i'd go for making the kinds fully explicit instead of extracting things deeply from Typeable. < 1423116703 546401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And this is why I suggested to push this to 7.12. < 1423116731 387963 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423116857 159838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think your second issue can be mostly solved by default a bit more aggressively to * < 1423116860 785184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I had vague ideas in my mind that suggested that any proper solution for plugging the Typeable whole would necessarily break compatibility, and a conviction (which I still have) that doing so after 2 RCs would be bad.) < 1423116866 93280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defaulting < 1423116889 28297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be weird though < 1423116892 798691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, (And elliott: I'm happy with extra Typeable constraints popping up for such code, too.) < 1423116896 36809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like stuff randomly gets monokinded < 1423116908 772790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you fix it by adding a typeclass instance(??) < 1423116911 243915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1423116913 191968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclass constraint < 1423116946 23546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it would still be _inferred_ with the typeclass instance. i mean defaulting to * in essentially the same cases type defaulting happens. < 1423116954 184447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1423116961 400299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe that would work. < 1423117021 24861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: sorry, this is not supposed to be a Haskell channel. It's just that 3 of the people involved in discovering and exploring the ramifications of this particular bug happen to be here, and a few other Haskell enthusiasts. < 1423117047 480246 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423117050 18339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This particular discussion will probably fade away in a week or three. < 1423117053 252445 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said rhat < 1423117059 847589 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an hour ago < 1423117086 995181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: yes, and we're still going on about the same thing. < 1423117106 256589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel always talks about haskell though < 1423117166 990510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure, but I like to think that most of those discussions are more accessible than this. But perhaps I'm wrong. Lenses are scary, too. < 1423117206 27848 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1423117434 976679 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have invented a new direction: doup which is sort of down or up depending on context. < 1423117458 848153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on the gravity of the situation < 1423117481 388851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or levity, depending on context < 1423117561 496418 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the void inbetween dimensions called? < 1423117565 328182 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it also allows Y and upside down Y nodes to have the same structure < 1423117565 558411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sounds like "up" which means "down" on ${OPPOSITE_CONTINENT}. < 1423117580 430941 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423117644 501024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that's not a scientific concept, so probably varies wildly between religion / crackpot / scifi writer / superhero series < 1423117659 869603 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1423117662 569684 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! < 1423117679 801001 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dimension 1 -> Dimension 2 < 1423117691 605935 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the -> then < 1423117693 851914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in science, that's just not how dimensions work. < 1423117696 34239 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wormhole < 1423117705 804373 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes oerjan < 1423117708 434849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're _not_ the same thing as dimensions in comics < 1423117713 283954 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shhh < 1423117715 657216 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dimension can mean all sorts of things < 1423117725 704918 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish okey < 1423117759 897995 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to use it to mean how many real numbers you need in order to specify something < 1423117762 918528 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423117764 910414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now i'm reminded of Overside < 1423117773 501444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from riceboy) < 1423117788 389312 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh I forget my though < 1423117791 200342 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought < 1423117921 225757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night, anyway < 1423117938 280109 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423118098 960367 :Adrop!~Adrop@68.168.122.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423118170 862371 :Adrop!~Adrop@68.168.122.156 PART :#esoteric < 1423119471 649024 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :androirc gave me admin options so idk maybe its crap < 1423119553 242236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admin options? < 1423121431 926887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator stuff? kick, ban, etc? < 1423121455 801086 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1423121456 32060 NAMES :#esoteric < 1423121460 359121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1423121461 616162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1423121461 642209 NAMES :#esoteric < 1423121463 129401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was meant to be < 1423121466 555308 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :Lilax > 1423121466 581654 NAMES :#esoteric < 1423121472 582275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not redundant now, problem solved! < 1423121477 792690 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :Lilax > 1423121477 818607 NAMES :#esoteric < 1423121550 237511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423123250 869595 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1423123257 86429 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you OP me lol < 1423123275 358066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could use admin commands :p < 1423123281 333099 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes admin options kick ban disband channel < 1423123299 160803 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you give them to me < 1423123303 829694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those probably just won't do anything if you use them. hopefully. < 1423123311 702256 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I am your friend but < 1423123325 330530 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423123461 608088 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Lilax > 1423123461 740538 NAMES :#esoteric < 1423123465 517675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compromise! < 1423123473 214879 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayyy lmao < 1423123764 627114 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people gather in the streets < 1423124156 386156 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423124615 649799 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423124665 744187 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423124948 920940 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423125306 413939 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423125641 492344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why does libcurl have to be so type-unsafe? < 1423125659 349711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so old style < 1423125695 543993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1423126416 344070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is on vacation because fizzie is moving between servers < 1423126536 793631 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When fungot is offlin, is it dead? < 1423126553 856166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not dead, it's resting. < 1423126554 532115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball When do you suppose fungot will be back? < 1423126555 360391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better not tell you now. < 1423126579 817520 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pining for the fnords. < 1423126598 687987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinning, eh? < 1423126608 128649 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fizzie moves it to the UK, it will be < 1423126902 175049 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fjords_of_Finland < 1423127255 456122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does pining have anything to do with pines? < 1423127380 490144 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1423127489 902416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423127647 179660 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it's physically impossible for my brain to think otherwise. < 1423128088 775353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Technically, I'm not moving between servers, I'm moving the one server to another place. < 1423129551 892427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1423129621 338903 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423129621 499534 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423130025 878190 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423130054 772731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41843&oldid=41841 5* 03Elboza 5* (+316) 10 < 1423130079 63342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41844&oldid=41843 5* 03Elboza 5* (+1) 10 < 1423130112 657348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41845&oldid=41844 5* 03Elboza 5* (+1) 10 < 1423130167 481413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41846&oldid=41845 5* 03Elboza 5* (+11) 10 < 1423130199 302725 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423130616 157205 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423131124 992869 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423131679 809777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423131890 121606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41847&oldid=41846 5* 03Elboza 5* (+0) 10 < 1423132523 565664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41848&oldid=41847 5* 03Elboza 5* (-5) 10 < 1423133264 900016 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423134834 828223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423134903 921239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423135472 228936 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423136864 90410 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423136994 58470 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1423137402 55566 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1423137402 216970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1423137573 24298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fair enough < 1423137725 716939 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Lilax back to Lilax, eh? < 1423137725 878154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1423137734 842270 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423137753 234819 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423138323 294045 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423138457 188455 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423138832 483280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41849&oldid=41820 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World! */ < 1423138969 950604 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LAGOPEDE CHICKEN < 1423139619 130700 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423139838 519330 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423142698 312097 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423142720 238456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423145648 84910 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423145947 246579 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uvonczergiaowvkm QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423147100 990438 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423147109 574279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423147127 248883 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423147363 892986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423147426 871889 :Naprecks!~Naprecks@109.230.236.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423148057 237222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423148087 88887 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423148132 494742 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423148674 126434 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423149071 235273 :oren!~oren@user3-219-241.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423149102 562453 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423149273 199598 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423149980 881553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41850&oldid=41848 5* 03Ais523 5* (-168) 10remove/adjust some things that were presumably accidentally copied from [[brainfuck]] < 1423150664 985364 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1423150683 954600 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423151027 308328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you back yet? < 1423151032 224185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1423151368 212213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should un-invent brainfuck < 1423151373 276929 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423151427 681346 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423151439 350944 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423151618 997223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current darths & droids is seriously straining my suspension of disbelief. < 1423151651 23376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unbelievable < 1423151669 141911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I find your lack of faith disturbing ) < 1423151759 794421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just don't understand it. I hope the explanation will continue in the next strip or the next few. < 1423151776 675846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with flashbacks. < 1423151831 579984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't think goldfire got your point < 1423151854 727790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, he envisions the solver as being more magical than i do < 1423151875 326662 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423151977 658656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, let me see... < 1423152007 53760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It will probably still be maybe two weeks. < 1423152089 119845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume your point is that _currently_, that code gets inferred to a signature not containint Typeable (Proxy ...) at all) < 1423152100 565066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g < 1423152109 296697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok < 1423152110 7175 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think this stuff is actually fairly easy on the type inference level. Any constraint that can't be solved immediately (and an unknown kind means that the Typeable constraint is not solvable) ends up being propagated upwards. < 1423152162 497977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i agree wthat it's easy, but also it's not backwards-compatible < 1423152166 186887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-w < 1423152176 491533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: At least my impression was that most of the complications our mock implementations ran into had to do with the open world assumption. When treating Typeable specially (and that is the plan), the compiler isn't bound by it. < 1423152194 593086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't see the difference, really < 1423152212 355396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type signature still has to change, either way. < 1423152224 323790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, kinds no longer become subject to type erasure. < 1423152290 476637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a signature that doesn't mention that the kind needs to be Kindable _somehow_ implies that the function has an ABI where the kind _does_ get erased. < 1423152303 937097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, implies < 1423152385 645988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make a comment < 1423152436 568686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kinds no longer become subject to type erasure" -- I don't know what that means but it sounds scary < 1423152474 780106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean kind parameters inside types when they don't influence the resulting type, right? < 1423152484 251543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that what this typable stuff was about? < 1423152524 943663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1423152528 135180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works < 1423152540 254586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but the attempt is to make this backwards compatible, and int-e's test case would seem to break that. < 1423152548 327284 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423152704 404250 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423153114 628869 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423153271 692023 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1423153280 938414 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423153410 797535 :oren!~oren@user3-219-241.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423153689 378398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, that was the point (as I just said on the ticket) < 1423153706 164353 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1423153886 72270 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423154032 791537 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :un-inventing brainfuck souds like a good idea < 1423154039 479688 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's too many damn derivatives < 1423154074 987282 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a feeling people would make derivatives of some other random esolang instead if brainfuck were un-invented < 1423154097 565879 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we'd have to un-invent those < 1423154111 33624 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually we'd have no esolangs left < 1423154125 762697 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make another retro language one of these days. < 1423154149 138991 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe eodermdrome because nobody wants to try implementing eodermdrome :P < 1423154187 343751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: why is implementing relevant? people invent languages they don't try to implement. < 1423154195 820388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: what's a "retro language" like? < 1423154200 404049 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423154201 458155 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1423154216 565418 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: like VIOLET. Or that COBOL-parody punchcard language. < 1423154218 172887 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only having unimplemented languages seems pointless < 1423154231 303543 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something meant to feel like it could've been developed in the 1970s. < 1423154241 914615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1423154399 448311 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eodermdrome has been implemented... multiple times, in fact < 1423154453 862703 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I just learned about that < 1423154461 31507 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now what I said seems kind of stupi < 1423154463 350166 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1423154711 462896 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look to the future--there is probably yet room for a good satire of ecmascript < 1423154822 650495 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fortytwo-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/ < 1423154874 950947 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Much as I'm starting to love it, ecmascript is it's own parody already: https://twitter.com/abt_programming/status/563318058996224000 < 1423154890 552271 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "good" < 1423155009 386424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Btw, I'm not sure that some sort of Kindable information isn't required in general; I think comment 47 indicates that Richard sort of agrees, but hopes to cover that information in a TypeRep? Hmm :) < 1423155229 888550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ESMEscript hth < 1423155249 196044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands out vomit bags < 1423155339 307142 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enterprise-Grade JavaScript. ;) < 1423155372 691954 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahaha: https://github.com/ajlopez/CobolScript < 1423155404 612025 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a parody or an enhancement? < 1423155428 24249 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is apparently real software, transpiling COBOL to JS ... < 1423155430 921871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so far, i've seen nothing to indicate my mock implementation will be that different from what they end up with in terms of actual information passed. < 1423155494 880122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that statement might need some careful interpretation < 1423155525 342576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying, the might not use superclasses, but if so they'll end up passing the same information in a different way. < 1423155529 249595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+y < 1423155559 985084 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it actually uses COBOL as input, which makes it quite commercially oriented < 1423155570 860507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a solver might be more clever about how it extracts things < 1423155597 869212 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, if you do this properly someone would probably buy it.) < 1423156085 896393 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skhskiwjkgchzgfb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423156350 7996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a computed come from statement in BANCStar < 1423156421 629732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and another comment... < 1423156436 697569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this one should be closer to your concerns about Kindable :) < 1423156657 386561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g :: forall (k :: BOX) (a :: k) (b :: k). Kindable Proxy => Proxy a -> Proxy b -> PolyTypeable2.TypeRep < 1423156681 774572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :t 's printing of kinds is so annoying < 1423156705 441866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but simplified that will be what I wrote: g :: Typeable k => Proxy (a :: k) -> Proxy (b :: k) -> TypeRep < 1423156729 934156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (simplified by getting rid of the Proxy-that-only-serves-to-make-the-class-parameter-have-kind-*) < 1423156747 136213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1423156763 576732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the inferred type anyway < 1423156816 766497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what? no, you're getting it backwards < 1423156837 862387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are you sure? < 1423156848 721916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i see what you're saying: it's not necessarily possible to infer a non-kind based type < 1423156860 193903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you need the proxy because a method in the cass isn't allowed to have a type that doesn't depend on the class arguments, such as Typerep, it has to depend on them, so you need at least a proxy < 1423156878 507852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: minValue in enum should use such a proxy too < 1423156878 668912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Kindable or the like is needed for sensible type inference < 1423156913 375820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wish, you could add a convenience function for the simple case when you already have a value of that type, but you shouldn't need a value, a proxy should be enough < 1423156933 76927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um you need the proxy because classes cannot have arguments that are kinds. < 1423156965 533780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That's wrong. The class method could take a proxy, and in fact it does: Data.Typeable.Internal.typeRep# :: GHC.Prim.Proxy# a -> TypeRep < 1423156966 401752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, you mean Kindable needs a proxy for that? < 1423156970 637282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423156976 235459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thoguht you asked why Typable needs a proxy < 1423156979 663816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... dunno < 1423156988 721568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sorry, but oerjan got this right. < 1423157015 875939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a proposal on the Typeable ghc trac wiki page to change Typeable to use a phantom type instead. < 1423157030 970965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated to this bug < 1423157099 277958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. but I mean, how would you use Typeable on a type that isn't of kind * without such a proxy with a phantom type? < 1423157100 465945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: *personally* I would prefer newtype Tagged a b = Tagged b, and typeRep# :: Tagged a TypeRep. And in fact that's pretty much what the TTypeRep idea accomplishes. < 1423157119 546532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So I disagree about the minValue; I want to eliminate the proxies instead. < 1423157139 866571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: at least from the class methods. They are still useful for convenience functions. < 1423157147 747703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a constructor wrapper instead of a functions? sure, that would be better < 1423157148 258088 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423157165 978053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait a second < 1423157175 371859 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423157176 561245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting < 1423157184 532627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no, I don't really know what I'm talking about.) < 1423157194 233991 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423157219 733649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I presume you mean minBound in Bounded? < 1423157235 616363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, those. whatever Bounded has < 1423157237 762465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Enum < 1423157287 218404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, we in C++ have more easy to remember names for important stuff like this, namely numeric_limits::lowest() and numeric_limits::max() < 1423157301 628245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't take a dummy argument < 1423157309 933862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm a little bit miffed that they didn't include Tagged in base when they absorbed Proxy. < 1423157324 286321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, minBound :: Bounded a => a is perfect. minBound :: Proxy a -> a would carry unnecessary runtime cost. However, there may be a case for defining a small convenience function outside the class, minBoundProxy :: Enum a => Proxy a -> a; minBoundProxy _ = minBound. < 1423157381 582549 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423157402 57782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't see the point though, since I don't see how that would save any type signatures) < 1423157447 682249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it wouldn't < 1423157526 424188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1423157630 604215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan yes, the omission of Tagged is sad, given that one can naturally write taggedToProxy :: Tagged a b -> Proxy a -> b and proxyToTagged :: (Proxy a -> b) -> Tagged a b. < 1423157630 803931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1423157831 154467 :huc!~gaetanopa@95.235.106.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423157890 225644 :huc!~gaetanopa@95.235.106.157 QUIT :Client Quit < 1423158043 621774 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423158657 682819 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423158792 326699 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423159120 342986 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423159581 338127 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423159760 257104 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423159773 266584 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423159835 636336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mihip 5* 10New user account < 1423159981 438359 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423160078 113410 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423160363 627189 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423160516 347743 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423160556 512383 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423160632 596447 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible for a language to incorporate neural networks in a central role < 1423160645 552032 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not. < 1423160656 320423 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423160737 156310 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am imagining a source file consisting of defining the network and the format of training data, and a "compilation" consisting of training the network. < 1423160773 544402 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the network can also contain parts that are defined algorithmically, and not trained < 1423160913 8506 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The final executable would incorporate the trained network(s). < 1423161742 429298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just define the whole network by training data... < 1423161765 89059 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally, the program input is the validation data. < 1423161853 462275 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but formatting??? the input has to be defined as to which parts are ignored, how to segment it. < 1423161871 684881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Prelude14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41851&oldid=13450 5* 0386.176.120.87 5* (+86) 10/* External resources */ < 1423162237 320501 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be enough just to set the number of layers, number of neurons, and size of each sample. < 1423162275 956356 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then give enough data to reliably train a cat program. Hello world is left as an exercise. < 1423162334 660985 :arjanb!8259aaa3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423162344 690247 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How would you produce an output without inputs?) < 1423162367 176067 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zoksmmpmnmxpfspp JOIN :#esoteric < 1423162783 154054 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1423162800 650916 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423163084 33852 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: like this: < 1423163136 502972 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUT FORMAT (IGNORE ALL, EOF) < 1423163186 653666 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NET INPUT: (ZEROS(N)) < 1423163218 966186 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, ignore all input, and feed the net N zeros < 1423163259 786397 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you train it to output 13 characters < 1423163293 589775 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming feed-forward network architecture) < 1423163444 288358 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat could be INPUT FORMAT((CHAR C)*,EOF) NET INPUT(C) NET TARGET(C) < 1423163495 417172 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a more terse syntax < 1423163659 825483 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively you can use a recurrent network to get mutable state more easily. < 1423163733 61985 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah. I haven't been able to implement reccurrent network properly yet tho. I'll have to wait until my NN course gets to them < 1423164649 824588 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423164926 675539 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423164943 425582 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423165049 278073 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423165238 123120 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423166508 401850 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423166564 741292 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423166685 450068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423166858 291162 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423166877 990751 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423167856 333569 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423168408 97144 :_AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423168494 512801 :_AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so brainfuck-ng isan interpreter, not a new language. < 1423168513 761023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, it could be both? < 1423168558 29037 :_AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it different enough from bf? < 1423168577 713407 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423168581 590760 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qmbjubfgetricwih JOIN :#esoteric < 1423168585 367259 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423168689 300801 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an computer science theory class today < 1423168697 310392 :_AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be NICK :AndoDaan < 1423168699 806842 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever fancy name you call those classes in english < 1423168730 852134 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we talked about Post problems, which are basically a string-rewriting thingy < 1423168735 555391 :AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you win it? < 1423168761 33197 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first example we had was one where we had a binary string, and it kept increasing < 1423168805 725258 :AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bust beaver? < 1423168822 946183 :AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : Busy, I mean. < 1423168849 687383 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000p 0001q 0001p 000p0 0001q etc < 1423168869 118224 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't obvious from the beginning that was what was happening < 1423168917 9731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck-ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41852&oldid=41850 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-1) 10CnP error < 1423168934 11098 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we had all those trandformations rules written down, that were actually kinda hard to read < 1423168942 285932 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the teacher asked us the next string at every step < 1423168961 965812 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sloooow if you have to find the correct rule without knowing what to expect < 1423168997 958336 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at some point I realized no one else knew what to expect so they had all been doing hard work < 1423169159 213812 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that class is fun but also somewhat disappointing as sometimes it sounds like we're reading a random page from esolangs wiki < 1423169182 436611 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more fulfilling if I felt like we were building something < 1423169231 355394 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423169251 702517 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423169269 319392 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423169397 375265 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423169397 615622 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, math classes go like "we want to do fun stuff with probabilities, so let's build a whole measure theory for that" < 1423169423 282388 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423169444 825008 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the computerry classes go like "erm okay so this is an automat. and this is an automat hooked to a tape. and this is a string-rewriting thingy." < 1423169473 951911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, measure theory is ugly. I still don't understand the basics of the important proofs, despite that they're supposed to be nice. < 1423169495 798014 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423169513 166884 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423169673 406855 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.80.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423169713 245464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423169718 785427 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whu do computer class have to do with restaraunts based on walls of vending machines? < 1423169722 942997 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423169723 275438 :_AndoDaan_!~AD@188.188.66.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423169806 395852 :AndChat-234416!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423169839 596608 :AndoDaan!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423169881 245094 :AndChat-234416!~AD@178-116-206-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1423169937 332898 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.80.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423169981 229845 :_AndoDaan_!~AD@188.188.66.111 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423170439 369532 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423171098 289534 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"// false, null, undefined, NaN, 0 and "" are falsy; everything else is truthy. Note that 0 is falsy and "0" is truthy, even though 0 == "0"." < 1423171103 311244 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah hah. < 1423171133 836451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: is that about ecmascript? < 1423171158 748321 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading the learnxiny for JavaScript yeh. < 1423171335 358411 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1423171401 377057 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423172049 89387 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423172269 578370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41853&oldid=41721 5* 0370.36.190.3 5* (+13) 10/* Virtual machine description */ Specify initial register values < 1423172348 195886 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423172634 666708 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423172767 642748 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423172824 257601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423173284 870735 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... .JS dates use 0-based month field ... why? < 1423173526 148704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is why everything else uses 1-based month fields < 1423173574 595476 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would presume that’s because they’re normally written in dates. < 1423173622 607030 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write down a date, the month is represented as a number 1-12. < 1423173646 317157 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1423173651 447409 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention, why only Months? < 1423173667 409443 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say that, but days of the week are 0-indexed too I think. < 1423174196 498170 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423174377 798238 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1423174548 202547 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423175269 231750 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423175302 266032 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423175537 845115 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423176098 634600 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.236 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1423176156 317505 :oren!~oren@user3-208-204.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423176344 959336 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423176871 949492 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423177197 230322 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423177218 909428 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var foo = new object[]{ 1, 2, 3 }; int bar = foo[1]; < 1423177220 312823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:9: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1423177222 533211 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non < 1423177329 364371 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423177349 393223 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"list foo = [1,2,3]; integer bar = llList2Int(list, 1);" < 1423177367 138826 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing stuff < 1423177523 245140 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423177535 640801 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423177608 499040 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1423177611 35970 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing < 1423177616 962509 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423177723 228541 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423177823 880076 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loli < 1423177906 269692 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423178077 240553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423178430 385647 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1423178441 670939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilax < 1423178445 914497 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423178452 109708 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1423178460 565903 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Lilax|away < 1423178486 250849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, goldfire bypassed int-e's Kindable trap < 1423178562 95342 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423178762 391772 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423178809 765807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423178865 498710 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423179579 829457 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423179860 191378 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423180145 359335 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423180304 932143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423180323 190334 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423180630 652785 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trap? < 1423180654 441985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the trick for monads in dynamically typed languages would work in F3 < 1423180656 44590 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :F# < 1423180664 943051 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razorsharpvaginas < 1423180667 473273 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways < 1423180673 682345 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :F#? < 1423180685 701931 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it < 1423180709 133027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax|away: trying to convince him that fixing the ghc bug requires creating something like a Kindable class. < 1423180737 381224 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1423180750 345271 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight anyways o/ < 1423180777 365382 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423180901 326918 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :konboilyha < 1423181114 830412 :Lilax|away!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423181136 244540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :borensoir! < 1423181148 335760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :お元気ですか < 1423181230 489455 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :はい、元気です! < 1423181362 7300 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :オォォォォッ!あちらも日本語IMEで書けています!すごい! < 1423181367 776665 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423181443 660940 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :天気はどうですか ここにはもっとも寒い(>_<) < 1423181521 427258 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ここも寒い。冬はもうおわんない < 1423181553 313921 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423181589 520443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :そうですね < 1423181606 493196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this channel may have entered the matrix, there are all these strange symbols < 1423181632 557564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellオrjan! < 1423181676 844350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this is zalgo, see today's sromg (NSFL) < 1423181692 692962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a sromg? < 1423181705 329555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield < 1423181714 605611 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1423181771 884292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta / david morgan mar's collaborative garfield parody comic < 1423181851 356085 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ギャアア!その漫画は怖いよ!  < 1423181854 68274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just added a dinosaur comic collaborative fan comic, so now i'm reading that without reading dinosaur comic itself... < 1423181878 52420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s, possibly < 1423181885 633593 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: 何を読んでいますか < 1423181922 156961 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much better is the fan comic than the original? < 1423181935 735507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :そのSROMG漫画を読んでいます < 1423181937 685679 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obscure webcomics are obscure for a reason. < 1423181945 274498 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to find dinosaur comics funny for some time now < 1423181960 406231 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't that funny < 1423181964 593301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hm, in that case probably a lot < 1423181995 304401 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: わかります 僕は読まないんだよ < 1423182024 234711 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hellolsner. they were supposed to be funny? < 1423182038 758120 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what else could they be supposed to be? < 1423182056 323132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought today's fan comic was funny, anyway < 1423182095 269148 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite webcomic (in English) is "Basic Instructions" < 1423182098 11301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: philosophical? reflective? introspective? < 1423182111 125298 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/web// < 1423182132 596552 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: dinosaurs < 1423182149 784013 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a thorough fan of xkcd. < 1423182166 854174 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a fortunate incident. < 1423182201 568452 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dinosaur < 1423182203 581097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1423182233 31409 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote strosaur < 1423182233 813416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1423182239 500866 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin wéyons... < 1423182249 231854 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1423182249 736336 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote boily < 1423182250 203683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. < 1423182250 382727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :918) boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world \ 919) ~eval 1+2 Error (127): this is a great bot boily i love it \ 928) not only there is no God, but try to find an APL keyboard on Sunday. \ 931) ais523: I'm not sure my < 1423182273 201330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lystrosaur < 1423182275 494671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. < 1423182276 313506 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(huh. I thought there were l[iy]strosaurs somewhere in oerjan's `?...) < 1423182280 957761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423182283 744817 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thoerjan. < 1423182300 172092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i guess you just associated on "evil" hth < 1423182315 684809 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: naturally. < 1423182339 283902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION denies being a lystrosaur recently awakened from stasis < 1423182352 833892 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is an evil overlord, lystrosaurs were evil and took over the world => became overlords, everything matches up < 1423182366 912756 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :denial doesn't make it not so < 1423182371 341313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear elizabeth II might be one, though < 1423182393 700850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lizzy the lizard < 1423182451 382963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose lystrosaurs were also antediluvian < 1423182477 821568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and roald dahl wrote books about defeating evil monsters, so they'd naturally hate him. < 1423182490 213214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a surprising amount of matches there < 1423183934 395238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423184266 645537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423185454 113290 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.236 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1423185456 539831 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1423187003 109601 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423187058 797522 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423187073 298503 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423187673 518439 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :home again home again jiggity jig < 1423187787 536597 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! :D < 1423187845 562027 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life i'd still be at work < 1423187871 347849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd already be in bed half an hour from now when i got home < 1423187954 435810 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real life is an illusion. and besides, this chännel entered the matrix a few hours ago. < 1423188062 27563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're back home? have you enjoyed your trip? < 1423188070 398896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, the strange symbols seem to have disappeared < 1423188086 80504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pain of spain < 1423188110 687494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mainly in the plane < 1423188295 222835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently I shouldn't try to send email during a distro upgrade < 1423188309 638332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email editor in Evolution has no send button < 1423188316 782638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I try to close the compose window < 1423188371 90543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts up a dialog box with an information icon and no text < 1423188456 735150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry. the next swarm will strike when you least expect it. < 1423188464 599252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which distro? < 1423188487 757027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu < 1423188594 174250 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange... < 1423189066 920745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trip was good < 1423189075 666437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got to try orxata tho < 1423189084 450959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a winter thing, they say < 1423189809 768656 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is winter... < 1423189837 115720 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all! < 1423189849 743551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MOXIBUSTIVE CHICKEN < 1423189863 120793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn moxibustive < 1423189864 387502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "moxibustive". < 1423189875 423842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google moxibustive < 1423189876 60015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1423189889 15199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE'S JUST PLAYING WITH US < 1423189898 744574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the distro upgrader seems to have crashed < 1423189932 55397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn moxibustion < 1423189933 105080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "moxibustion". < 1423189943 212560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google moxibustion < 1423189943 845179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxibustion < 1423189944 6733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Moxibustion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1423189960 456728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn word < 1423189961 718628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "word" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1423189961 879433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :word < 1423189961 879571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a unit of language that native speakers can identify; < 1423189961 879647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "words are the blocks from which sentences are made"; "he < 1423189961 879720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : hardly said ten words all morning" < 1423189963 765358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[24 @more lines] < 1423189976 476478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my response was to kill dpkg, it seems to be continuing now, at least < 1423189987 516523 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423189998 356855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've restored Ubuntu from a broken distro upgrade before now < 1423190002 641794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but prefer it when I don't have to < 1423190023 829374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope that whatever package it didn't install isn't essential for the computer to boot < 1423190384 184658 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423190825 722034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423191465 627600 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423191545 894813 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423194293 923944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, about to reboot into the new distro < 1423194301 332147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the best I can to manually fix things < 1423194305 850274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here goes... < 1423194307 724698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1423194328 993363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. < 1423194493 384327 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.41 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1423194596 352753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423194621 374319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think it worked < 1423194648 798946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge number of crash reports, but I think all of them were either caused by a bug in ocaml-doc, or indirectly from my kill -9 dpkg during the upgrade < 1423194785 578727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words < 1423194842 449555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, famous last words would be me before the reboot < 1423194888 885324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot help it, i'm reading the tvtropes untwist page < 1423194940 551753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous first words < 1423195361 163877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, the unity dash still has terrible performance < 1423195364 464329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite as bad < 1423195371 387973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only takes like 5 seconds to open rather than like 15 < 1423195523 592340 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423195667 512008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/terrible/triple/ < 1423195984 952445 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423196113 218654 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1423196164 318468 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423196737 531345 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's why I switched to Xubuntu < 1423196807 335420 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also because I like windows and hate mac, and i hate how everyone wants to be an iphone now < 1423197041 282319 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423197272 290700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be an iphone hth < 1423197315 8133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also don't want to be a lumberjack. (nothing wrong with lumberjacks, they're okay.) < 1423197349 984814 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423197355 140469 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahah < 1423197358 11825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heolus < 1423197374 539969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what evil plans dost thou laugh about < 1423197510 784856 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I truly don't know < 1423197554 269118 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a headache earlier and I dun know maybe I'm just wantin' to laugh < 1423197596 872732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is good to practice one's evil cackling < 1423197691 658385 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-+- < 1423197698 32492 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how's you < 1423197718 349325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still addicted to 30x30 Bridges < 1423197758 925123 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423197778 908835 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, So I made a self modifying encryption key for my bot < 1423197784 813466 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am proud of me self < 1423197797 578736 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it breaks every other day ;--; < 1423197828 976641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm soooo sorry. < 1423197838 333087 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone die? < 1423197852 911221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make it _remember_ that you modified it hth < 1423197867 95541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the 30x30 Bridges is int-e's fault < 1423197882 58114 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1423197886 214054 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1423197913 710553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you did retaliate however, by pointing me to yet another webcomic. < 1423197928 199904 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol webcomics and oerjan < 1423197956 946946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which one < 1423197958 195341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, Rice Boy) < 1423197960 582186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1423197971 607259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i learned about rice boy on this channel, i think < 1423198027 885795 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423198149 862346 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1423198162 720892 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mai < 1423198219 456800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mai wat < 1423198237 119456 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MAI < 1423198242 172210 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wat < 1423198268 574407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kom mai du skjønne milde < 1423198319 952744 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non < 1423198345 257943 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/fxhxd/9833c39b67.gif < 1423198400 207546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423198422 665581 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1423198561 113087 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yy/mm/dd < 1423198611 705795 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: You're so || close to failing the Turing test. < 1423198677 377369 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1423198687 376762 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats int-e < 1423198696 478810 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea who you are ^_^ < 1423199008 246630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :neildegrasse_ok_well.gif < 1423199327 546764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait are you saying Eolus has been a bot all along < 1423199624 126616 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :osaka_oh_mai_gaa.m4a < 1423199760 163477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, of course not. stop reading between the lines! < 1423199844 277298 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423199874 47514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i have to do it to keep passing the turing test < 1423199907 169347 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: the correct format for dates, btw is YYYY-MM-DD < 1423199924 458543 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe YYYY.MM.DD < 1423199944 722361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's yy/dd/mmmm < 1423199955 242930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 15/06/0002 < 1423199990 770740 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1179/ < 1423200033 445254 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, there should be a standard for where and how to put the weekday < 1423200086 977344 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423200093 236835 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea is to do 2015-02F06 < 1423200126 202143 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With letters MTWRFSU for the weekdays < 1423200149 544926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that it is one idea. < 1423200222 556779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ISO has that. < 1423200222 756783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-02-06 is 2015-W05-5 < 1423200231 98606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-W06-5 < 1423200231 272580 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423200237 980936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1423200239 994182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says W06 < 1423200257 411339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oren: < 1423200257 642345 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. In japan they do Y年M月D日(W) < 1423200262 882944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orgh. < 1423200267 81604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cal 1 2015 < 1423200268 7003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks, you're right. < 1423200268 607304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ January 2015 \ Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa \ 1 2 3 \ 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 \ 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 \ 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 \ 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 < 1423200277 346942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%Y-W%V-%u < 1423200278 268068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-W06-5 < 1423200301 719260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :date has a few too many of those week number and day of week format strings. < 1423200343 876842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so it includes the short week? < 1423200378 212853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is officially a week of the previous year < 1423200389 244326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1423200404 250955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. note that the ISO week is from Mo to Su, so that's 4 days in 2015. < 1423200408 912998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts listing on Su < 1423200415 818041 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said I was doing dates? < 1423200418 463027 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1423200426 969388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: so you prefer figs? < 1423200428 848973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: this channel isn't about you. < 1423200452 583891 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to your cupboard < 1423200557 606177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: please be more polite. < 1423200562 371545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, %Y is also wrong. < 1423200572 337521 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats oerjan < 1423200577 542832 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sir < 1423200591 443303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%G-W%V-%u -d2016-01-01 < 1423200592 328427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-W53-5 < 1423200968 899713 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423201031 82708 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_TIME=jp_JA.utf8 ; date < 1423201031 894076 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (jp_JA.utf8): No such file or directory \ Fri Feb 6 05:37:09 UTC 2015 < 1423201041 58387 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_TIME=jp_JA ; date < 1423201041 965538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (jp_JA): No such file or directory \ Fri Feb 6 05:37:19 UTC 2015 < 1423201049 50522 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1423201332 960247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` TZ=Japan date < 1423201336 465388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Feb 6 14:42:14 JST 2015 < 1423201338 96367 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the japanese notation has the advantage that each part of the date is clearly labeled, making an order irrelevant < 1423201394 628072 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015年2月6日(金) < 1423201478 745553 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1423201547 863264 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectivley the advantage is the same as assigned arguments for a function call < 1423201667 610183 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423201718 867599 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1423202290 404730 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423203513 260252 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423204196 221736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423204286 71058 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you are clearly missing Chinese. < 1423204301 253084 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Chinese the weekday is numbered < 1423204565 314895 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423204738 303826 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423204979 312389 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423205743 476473 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni ni < 1423206110 606440 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423206862 915756 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423207316 371175 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423207848 823694 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423207996 966919 :arjanb!8259aaa3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.163 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1423208193 403864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ni nite < 1423208959 306712 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423210384 986211 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1423210929 425650 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423211412 376100 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423213144 466013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: breakfast < 1423214764 237468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423215353 881263 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :sortie < 1423215358 639578 :sortie!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423216141 140604 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423216151 573916 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423216164 581479 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423216171 383219 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423216291 388093 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423216404 651850 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423216705 165159 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423217023 175283 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423217609 703466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41854&oldid=40843 5* 03Elboza 5* (+213) 10/* Notable implementations */ < 1423217726 453903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41855&oldid=41791 5* 03Elboza 5* (+213) 10/* Normal implementations */ < 1423217802 71027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423218086 346754 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing mutation feels so wrong now ... < 1423219098 262857 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423219409 298613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41856&oldid=41854 5* 03Ais523 5* (-213) 10Undo revision 41854 by [[Special:Contributions/Elboza|Elboza]] ([[User talk:Elboza|talk]]) this shouldn't be on both lists, and this one is the wrong one < 1423220546 317352 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423220546 478034 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423220965 34726 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423221337 950618 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423221365 220914 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423221680 845603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423223707 467520 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423223802 379475 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423223830 799055 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423223846 846003 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423223906 386268 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ropyzgkgrrdqfumr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423223989 451463 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423224009 388333 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423224043 209155 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1423224066 365528 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423224080 373480 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jotkunyvovchxlph JOIN :#esoteric < 1423224100 109216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423224103 418965 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423224234 157097 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423224338 476944 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423224531 418888 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423224653 322304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1423224727 622480 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423224846 354820 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225150 128434 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 328333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 328443 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 328501 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 762500 :intgr!~ftw@wikipedia/intgr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 762614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 923730 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wavbduzwdophkwbi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225150 923786 :rsal!rsal@82.128.138.2 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225151 85079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423225258 704061 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903296 :intgr!~ftw@wikipedia/intgr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903357 :rsal!rsal@82.128.138.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903413 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903521 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wavbduzwdophkwbi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225258 903575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1423225365 661776 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: THERAPEUTIC CHICKEN < 1423226073 261404 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423226244 925677 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423226296 9892 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423226598 371702 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423227614 779818 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Officially learnt about the "Fundamental Theorem of Linear Transformations" today < 1423227645 719349 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very similar to what I know as the "Fundamental Theorem of Group Homomorphisms" < 1423227668 3047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are S/Ker(phi) ~= Im(phi) < 1423227672 978822 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something deeper going on? < 1423227814 674085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423227868 281740 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423227869 935119 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423227910 877712 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1423227930 913572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sure, a vector space is a group, and all vector space homomorphisms are group homomorphisms as well (but not the reverse) < 1423227943 575159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really "something deeper" I guess < 1423227952 33168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, but a vector space has more conditions than a group < 1423227959 529287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, so? < 1423227972 689541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not all group homomorphisms end up as linear transformations < 1423227992 204763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1423228017 697715 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1423228018 651450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1423228237 365777 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423228253 297618 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423228621 682172 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieHomework < 1423228968 333498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423229253 239544 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423229435 2385 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423230429 420340 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I was under the impression that that was what category theory was for, though I don't know enough category theory to verify that < 1423230562 777803 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1423230650 401546 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423230685 884262 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423230856 475756 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423232154 209241 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423232975 290446 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423233450 313171 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423233720 57053 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423234835 339865 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423235759 272158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423235823 412461 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423237555 420699 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423238121 176752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1423238126 893943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just reread the end of IWC backwards < 1423238139 398923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot quite stop quibbling about the Typeable bug < 1423238170 261611 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423238199 483259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so it's about several groups of people falling from prosperity, through great disaster, and into a continued life of trouble and chaos? < 1423238222 249669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it made me realise that Choking may in fact be DMM < 1423238291 642484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423238301 481767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... hang on < 1423238306 607797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM's body and Hitler's brain < 1423238350 316370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/3147.html http://irregularwebcomic.net/3158.html http://irregularwebcomic.net/3165.html < 1423238394 654185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1423238446 102470 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423238478 413637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423238495 527981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _does_ look deliberate indeed. < 1423238628 101967 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423238656 429422 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to reread IWC < 1423239059 371498 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423239158 412378 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423239211 214327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no way < 1423239222 525908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM is present as a self-insert in IWC and he's not the same as Choking < 1423239235 378454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he time travels and almost kills himself or something < 1423239646 868045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's actually hitler who is the same as choking < 1423239649 303862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1423239664 686178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's not "almost" about it. < 1423239668 565495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-t < 1423239791 391619 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all regular fans of iwc? < 1423239806 733315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1423239811 516451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423239838 760557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the first webcomic i read, and i learned about it on this channel. < 1423239864 778408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb and b_jonas traveled in the opposite direction :P < 1423239986 253489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was my first webcomic, and eventually got me into esolangs and actually CS as a whole < 1423239989 579804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to like IWC but got bored around the 2700 strips mark. < 1423240029 899180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there something deeper going on? <-- yes. there are versions of those theorems for universal algebras. < 1423240038 301652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first webcomic I read was StickManStickMan, now at http://stickman.qntm.org/index.php , which was already completed when I first read it < 1423240041 933367 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal... algebra? < 1423240053 982353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1423240083 154670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: think of groups, monoids, rings, vector spaces etc. as all being special cases of operations on a set < 1423240117 126557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean K-vector spaces for a particular fixed field K? < 1423240125 7373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well yeah < 1423240135 49968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if _some_ of the operations give you a group, then you have kernels, and the theorems have essentially the same form. otherwise you need to use "congruences". < 1423240182 635228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise it's quite analogous regardless of the type of algebra. < 1423240220 833698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, and how much extra do you need for the form on finitely generated vector spaces, where you can also claim that the dimension of of the source space is equal to the dimension of the kernel plus the dimension of the image? < 1423240251 869899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ouch. that doesn't even hold for modules i think, so quite specific. < 1423240265 831996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modules aren't always free and so don't have a basis. < 1423240288 133463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, it's specific for vector spaces, but quite important < 1423240307 681595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what happens in infinite dimensional spaces < 1423240318 637702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be summarized as "all vector spaces are free" < 1423240327 738214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure if that's enough < 1423240333 925587 :S1!~S1@p4FF92858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423240365 750156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there's probably a module counterexample about free submodules of free modules behaving nicely < 1423240388 693233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory of that stuff is old < 1423240398 298910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really have a sane dimension in modules < 1423240417 417699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even when finitely generated < 1423240467 772005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite vector spaces supposedly have a basis and so they have a dimension, though I've never tried to understand the proof for this. It's an axiom of choice thing. < 1423240484 916134 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423240492 594246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it on faith. < 1423240504 232120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you seem to have become bored about when dmm started wrapping things up for the finale... < 1423240551 911063 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423240556 287910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423240623 666926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure what happens in infinite dimensional spaces <-- i think it still holds as long as you sum cardinalities. of course you cannot subtract then. < 1423240632 358055 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1423240677 630080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah it's basically about using zorn's lemma to increase your independent set until it generates everything. < 1423240692 844274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing complicated, actually. < 1423240735 518834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it needs the big cannon < 1423240821 375224 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423240827 359325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, the zorn lemma isn't the big cannon. < 1423240830 409999 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1423240834 307615 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423240851 389742 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423240857 387761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when the calculus guys use basic theorems whose proofs are really complicated, unlike that of the zorn lemma. < 1423240858 877726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then there's nothing complicated at all :P < 1423240869 991980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah maybe he should've done that sooner then *ducks* < 1423240894 126795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423240898 38357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats int-e -----### < 1423240961 582454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, http://mathoverflow.net/a/99568/5340 states zorn lemma is big guns in the sense I claim it's not < 1423241182 544542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism_theorem#General < 1423241207 505390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, aren't there two or three fundamental theorems? < 1423241228 839150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :three, see link < 1423241277 103827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one discussed here is the first < 1423241307 650703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, I don't think I want to do universal algebra directly, so let me look at the group ones, those I'll probably recognize < 1423241400 410657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I've heared of these for groups. < 1423241449 790446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rank%E2%80%93nullity_theorem is the one about vector space dimensions < 1423241488 894924 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1423241540 971761 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423241591 513901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to link that < 1423241720 64128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get an intuition for the general, you need to understand that kernels/normal subgroups/ideals are all specific ways of encoding a congruence < 1423241725 702462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? isomorphism theorem < 1423241727 671329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphism theorem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1423241731 490811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algebra < 1423241732 152097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1423241771 495218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's true < 1423241795 883123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need that to understand normal subgroups and ideals in rings in first place < 1423241839 851873 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, at least in the first case that's just stating the standard definition with slightly different terms < 1423241857 879129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423241859 81807 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about the second and third because, well, who actually gives a shit about the second and third isomorphism theorems < 1423241859 504934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe right ideals < 1423241869 595677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: what? they're useful < 1423241892 357837 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my galois theory lecturer didn't actually know them < 1423241913 313269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an excuse < 1423241919 753414 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :}{FISH} < 1423241949 727295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, defining a congruence as a subalgebra of A x A may be elegant, but maybe not the most pedagogic way. < 1423241975 198927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i agree with both of you, they're useful but i can only remember the first :P < 1423242021 379860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without straining my brain, anyhow < 1423242043 725703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you use them all the time without referring to them explicitly < 1423242044 226018 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second and third are useful properties of algebraic quotients; the first fundamentally encapsulates what algebraic quotients are < 1423242057 341895 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423242081 245874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, should be going -> < 1423242088 332383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1423242107 473977 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i saw the thing about short exact sequences and quotients in hatcher it seemed like witchcraft, even though it's fairly simple < 1423242112 133572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the usual way algebra works < 1423242129 658649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423242453 298302 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can actually do a lot of things with ideals without understanding they have anything to do with congruences < 1423242486 57986 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qmbjubfgetricwih QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423242590 918337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423242815 66916 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that because I didn't) < 1423242871 514200 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423242893 716190 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random thought: why are there so many brainfuck derivatives and so few Turing-machine derivatives on the wiki? < 1423243029 922790 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're basically the same thing, technically. < 1423243079 707733 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck with an endless tape is just a specific kind of turing machine, as is P''. < 1423243083 320347 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's my point! but Turing-machines are historically more relevant, and in my opinion, more fun < 1423243267 829974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very easy to compile brainfuck or P'' into Turing machines as each instruction would easily correspond to one state, although sometimes you can merge states < 1423243350 993765 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying < 1423243495 386805 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423243809 470578 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is easier to derive something from < 1423243851 318812 :}{FISH}!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1423243872 449399 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean the reverse is also true. < 1423243898 308840 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any turing machine could be described in a way that makes it look like a Brainfuck derivative. < 1423243906 686264 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People just go with BF b/c rude. < 1423243925 398898 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also brainfuck is easy to understand for nonmathy people < 1423243972 818191 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is the ultimate simplification of the imperative, structured paradigm < 1423244023 952552 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P" is actually simpler. < 1423244030 958395 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1423244106 322404 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does require that epople write ?. < 1423244113 38311 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turing machines involve symbols and states and rules, where BF has numbers and characters in the code < 1423244120 981023 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which as you can see isn't even an ASCII character. < 1423244159 270382 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ? < 1423244160 864144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003F QUESTION MARK] < 1423244176 955855 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm... < 1423244179 445862 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lambda. < 1423244205 6266 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a lamda: λ < 1423244277 31480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make the P'' version with ASCII though < 1423244363 882006 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... Is it P" or P'' < 1423244389 238070 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P`` < 1423244399 402124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's P~~ < 1423244404 478505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P^^ < 1423244406 278919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P|| < 1423244407 969519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P++ < 1423244409 682625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P-- < 1423244412 930854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P// < 1423244417 86099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1423244417 246883 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1423244417 408474 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1423244417 408626 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ < 1423244417 408702 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /< < 1423244418 43744 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nonmathy people" know what a decision tree is, and that looks exactly like an automaton < 1423244439 747169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonmathy people probably don't care about this stuff < 1423244440 641436 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas ++++[-] doesn't look like much < 1423244450 94414 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very good point < 1423244521 212724 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen: I mean people who are qualified to take Game Development 101 but not Game Theory 101 < 1423244527 441960 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :demathification < 1423244542 17836 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also by decision tree I probably meant flow chart) < 1423244549 218294 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1423244589 174358 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? < 1423244607 878666 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flow chart would more complex than a simple automaton. < 1423244612 598344 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I annoy the hell out of my dad by incessantly referring to my game development course as "Game Theory" < 1423244650 622101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1423244919 260834 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the course naming problems at UofT, the course that should be named "Operations Research" is named Algorithm Design, Analysis, and Complexity < 1423244936 90469 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I might not have been wrong < 1423245282 999648 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, Operations Research sounds like a course where you research military operations. < 1423245485 273707 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423245684 588041 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423245710 191979 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423246349 701431 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423246531 186341 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423246622 212642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1423246630 107758 :arjanb!8259aaa3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423247060 899940 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423247546 529222 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__ < 1423247683 553369 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423247832 966495 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Beself < 1423247849 724416 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423247856 991882 :Beself!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423248000 621070 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423248004 875766 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423248063 438644 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423248128 231293 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1423248148 403333 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krdsujkyssjsoubn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423248263 219748 :S1!~S1@p4FF92858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1423248366 616499 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1423248767 249822 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423248866 444301 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423249054 669210 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423249603 493175 :oren!~oren@user3-210-99.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423250155 790080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make up an orthodox Magic: the Puzzling where player 1 has a way to gain any amount of life, but only once, and they win if they can set their life total to a Collatz counterexample? < 1423250422 943480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And otherwise they cannot possibly win) < 1423250541 674022 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423250615 891266 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423250662 455179 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423250740 287508 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423251242 925314 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423251737 728011 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1423252312 380588 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423252619 183842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wct14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41857 5* 03Mihip 5* (+1672) 10Created page with "Wct is hex numeric system analog, but fully consists entirely of the letters. WARNING! Writing a program on it will blow your mind. Wct editor - machine code editor for Wct. =..." < 1423252719 23708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wct14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41858&oldid=41857 5* 03Mihip 5* (+4) 10/* Notes */ < 1423253563 538693 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1423253625 245913 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423253785 641984 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423253931 357027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41859&oldid=41809 5* 03Mihip 5* (+10) 10/* W */ < 1423254208 341026 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423255803 338780 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.142.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423256136 982141 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423256311 369429 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423257856 761645 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423258074 305210 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423258400 476432 :TieHomework!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1423258420 82194 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423258804 835017 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423259512 632759 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423260486 65206 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krdsujkyssjsoubn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423260837 915636 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423260973 225894 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423261089 648686 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423261142 647800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423261486 346065 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423262272 715121 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423262321 646070 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423262718 236815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423262829 970722 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423263019 962276 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423263023 397457 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423263086 798511 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1423263355 227303 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bertfreudenberg.github.io/SqueakJS/ < 1423263762 588460 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I was just thinking about writing a library for .js strings and then clicked here and now there's Squeak. < 1423264158 247460 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423264171 560358 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1423264391 289376 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about implementing string specific versions of the usual first-class functions, you know. So you could do like "string".map().filter() or whatever. < 1423264605 310455 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423264674 361062 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423264674 680610 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423264677 341676 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423264682 899288 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423264794 581749 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure someone's already written that, but it would be a fun learning project. < 1423265404 852704 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423265448 490440 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1423265698 211536 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423265782 531494 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423265787 841652 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423265825 284312 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423265919 306968 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423266135 282481 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423266171 537106 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nqolithfmhoxdceg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423266451 891231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if the collatz counterexample can be one which grows indefinitely rather than looping, and if the win condition has to be detected in finite time, then i don't see how you can possibly distinguish that from a number that just takes a very long time to reach 1 < 1423266485 106435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i say this knowing very little about MtG) < 1423266522 936585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 if the collatz counterexample can be one which grows indefinitely rather than looping, and if the win condition has to be detected in finite time, then i don't see how you can possibly distinguish that from a number that just takes a very long time to reach 1 < 1423266523 136775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1423266809 297165 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423267784 133465 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 NICK :^v < 1423267863 280752 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Quit: Network ban < 1423267878 249954 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423268171 640774 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423268553 326330 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423269306 319156 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423269489 580106 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423270760 431946 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it reasonable or unreasonable to expect alpha software to not crash and die on untrusted input? < 1423271924 105454 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's the software? < 1423271933 407025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JanusVR < 1423271965 925673 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and is it a segfault? < 1423271999 680858 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers really should handle untrusted inputs well, because the entirety of the web is an untrusted input.. < 1423272067 252363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, as alpha software? < 1423272077 169759 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what sort of issue < 1423272087 632607 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/janusVR/comments/2v191r/security/ < 1423272167 485870 :Adrop!~Adrop@149.255.32.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423272283 368442 :Adrop!~Adrop@149.255.32.238 PART :#esoteric < 1423272805 177893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course any internet client or server needs to untrust the input from the other side please (although they could have configuration options to partially trust them, it should normally be untrusted by default; some internet software might be very special case though so they have other requirements). < 1423273821 240146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423274090 498374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423274176 153022 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423274314 897652 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more unreasonable than expecting ubiquitous release-version software to get pwnedzord on untrusted input < 1423274322 9348 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it does, every day < 1423274547 117287 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzomdmmgswzjxqna QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1423274560 782661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty sure Jafet reversed his sense of meaning there < 1423274701 429620 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wavbduzwdophkwbi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423275444 641812 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: depends what kind of software it is < 1423275636 999033 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web browsers are effectively interpreters for a messy dialect group of programming languages. < 1423275662 277195 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423275664 20465 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i wouldn't say it's unexpected that they could segfault < 1423275683 580516 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423275726 266708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't unexpected but it still isn't supposed to and it is still way too messy even if it doesn't segfault. < 1423275748 258917 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423275762 591526 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1423276062 562565 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this JanusVR thing looks like crap. If you're going to reinvent the internet, make it entirely new and better, standardize it, and for the love of god, don't base it on XML. < 1423276146 507403 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423276196 142155 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web, technically, not internet. < 1423276407 909141 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not even neccisarily a full replacement for browsers. < 1423276423 645800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. The main problem is that the web is an application framework that evolved from a document format. < 1423276466 418982 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems more like a VR thing that happens to use web pages as supplimentary source of level design. < 1423276513 679623 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I wouldn't mind, but if something's going to be a web browser it should follow an open specification. < 1423276526 438054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web is a terrible mess. < 1423276535 190327 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not neccesarilly an enforced standard, though. < 1423276561 766649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You call it "an application framework that evolved from a document format", but actually it is a mess. < 1423276623 298258 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scraps javacript and CSS for not being based on SGML. < 1423276751 417825 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I agree. < 1423276882 941516 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why so many websites now have their own apps < 1423276911 398991 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423276973 989454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: That isn't really quite a solution either < 1423276999 345135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1423276999 702436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 070150Z 26027KT 9999 BKN028 06/02 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 26025G39KT < 1423277017 410531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part of that tells that the weather is getting ugly twh < 1423277018 68025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: it has a web browser in it. < 1423277027 447506 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you press esc, you see the web page version of the world you're in < 1423277035 895383 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also can put web pages on surfaces < 1423277064 749849 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a VR client that doens't have a web browser of some sort built in. < 1423277084 533768 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for maybe a few that are built into web browser. < 1423277086 858176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Flatland? < 1423277110 607754 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Netscape plugin, so it's in another browser already. < 1423277116 486925 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423277120 728566 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a "web os" that has a web browser < 1423277126 859570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knew < 1423277132 469898 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had or has? < 1423277133 714046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think there are some VR clients which don't have a web browser or be a web browser plugin. < 1423277136 742753 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the standalone Flatland rover, but I haven't used it. < 1423277152 153886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is Gopher VR, for one thing, and a few others I forget. < 1423277175 102422 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will soon have an Oculus, hopefully < 1423277216 818514 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to put a web browser in a game i was making, but it turned out to be too hard < 1423277237 86114 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML (even a small subset) is too hard to parse < 1423277311 422042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put pod in then < 1423277326 221551 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I put TTML it < 1423277328 144517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully is a bit more easily than HTML. < 1423277330 180213 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1423277357 214353 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pod? < 1423277364 739174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format used in Perl < 1423277382 845183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pod is a nice format < 1423277490 633933 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean timed text or tagged text? < 1423277513 209916 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the esolang < 1423277531 858872 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So neither of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TTML < 1423277539 952503 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses the C0 control codes for formatting < 1423277572 448250 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ttml < 1423277650 404728 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xolaskxgnxqdoogz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423277704 343621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the version my game implements, the ^[ ^] codes are used for formatting the hyperlinks < 1423277770 835049 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds similar to ANSI escape codes. < 1423277773 642531 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code < 1423277839 937621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ^[next/page/path^_Click < 1423277846 546415 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here ^] < 1423277868 634424 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the links would be formatted like that < 1423278186 268934 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit would people please stop writing japanese with Chinese Simplified characters?! < 1423278285 477296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes please do and start writing with Japanese characters. (I also don't like Simplified Chinese, but that is a different thing.) < 1423278335 252916 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean: http://snag.gy/eVLhS.jpg < 1423278537 684503 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go ahead and write things in Sarus. < 1423278567 889523 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lyrics should say: 君の向かい風 僕が背に受 < 1423278593 173018 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Aaaagh! Wrong wrong wrong! < 1423278618 389507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the difference in the third and fourth kanji < 1423278650 856257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: me or the screenshot's lyrics < 1423278652 861584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1423278661 569614 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screenshot's. < 1423278696 706433 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha oren i was sure you're israeli, oren is a hebrew name and means palm (the tree) :) < 1423278714 737277 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturallog: I'm Canadian < 1423278757 478898 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was canadian too :) haha really :( < 1423278839 346753 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is anyone here familiar with the lang Maude? i was wondering where it is on the lambda cube < 1423278952 453703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it'd be on a different cube < 1423278966 959064 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes possibly < 1423278968 259235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whichever prolog is in) < 1423278975 341297 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gotcha < 1423279006 341622 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldnt be sure about it. im also new to the lambda stuff < 1423279043 713661 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict prolog is FOL, still Maude is HOL < 1423279055 878269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't actually know maude, just looking at the wikipedia article < 1423279092 118985 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering cause im interested on this formalism http://federwin.sip.ucm.es/sic/investigacion/publicaciones/pdfs/Kademlia%20SpecificationSummary0212.pdf < 1423279096 71207 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kad < 1423279401 857742 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1423279715 347977 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.40 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1423279953 701196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First we define the sort Bit"... God damn it why are booleans not built in???? < 1423279996 615898 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/why are/why; are/ < 1423280018 429104 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423280219 485473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423280282 909263 :raptural!~textual@ip68-12-126-92.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423280288 436595 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qqcatunyfavekytb JOIN :#esoteric < 1423280324 170525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why build booleans in if you don't have to < 1423280347 357610 :raptural!~textual@ip68-12-126-92.ok.ok.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1423280354 888531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this from anyway < 1423280361 526612 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pdf above < 1423280442 905719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yes so it's in some speicifcation language < 1423280449 855835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I don't get why you're complaining about this < 1423280456 236798 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423280554 423408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also looks like it does and they defined everything themselves for simplicity or greater control: "NOTE: If you want to test these examples on your own, you should start Maude with the option -no-prelude which lets Maude know that none of its basic modules are included (like Maude's own NAT module which will cause a conflict)." < 1423280571 325617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, potentially. it's possible that it has naturals but not bits.) < 1423280579 909232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bits and booleans aren't really the same thing < 1423280588 413287 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1423280589 689042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 isn't inherently a false-y bit < 1423280603 496383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having to write [false,true,true,false] for 0110 is a pain < 1423280636 265080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And as you can see the state this person ends up in might look a bit strange. (When you're married at the age of one you kind of stick out a bit in kindergarten I guess)." wikipedia's article on maude is a wild ride < 1423280841 632468 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1423280871 979899 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it went back to simplified chinese < 1423280932 45328 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm surprised wikipedia's people didn't "clean it up" by making it all unfun < 1423280999 103480 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is full of killjoys < 1423281193 890345 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write [ja,da,da,ja]. Or [da,ja,ja,da]. < 1423281217 691653 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423281264 537893 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423281336 983426 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: what language is that? < 1423281337 231213 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1423281368 306463 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Hardest Logic Puzzle Ever" three gods language < 1423282516 445752 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423282806 390708 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423283220 352174 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423283331 798560 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1423283410 788644 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google translate doesn't work well on multilingual text < 1423283660 928167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Addendum: When a God is asked a question that they cannot answer in a logically consistent way, they smite you. Good luck. < 1423283937 91235 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/lf1xao06b/ < 1423283972 25067 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does this when the rest of the page is in Chinese < 1423283995 454105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to assume that you automatically lose if smited and are not allowed to figure out the answer after that? < 1423284042 855980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure. Usually, when solving a puzzle involves my own death, I look for a new one. < 1423284092 435365 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A setting where gods exist tends to involve an afterlife < 1423284119 73198 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if smited you would probably end up living with the liar god < 1423284186 337954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: https://xkcd.com/246/ is relevant, too. < 1423284281 320468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423284498 605050 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic they do mention calculus of constructions "near" maude, maybe its dtlc http://maude.cs.illinois.edu/w/index.php?title=Other_Tools < 1423284518 941035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Unless you can prove that you would end up living with the liar god, such thing doesn't help. < 1423284777 127275 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think living with the liar god would be particularly annyoing compared to the others. < 1423284831 938270 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423284854 146549 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coin flip god could get tiresome just because you'd have to be mroe vrbose in aksing questions. < 1423284868 607360 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net NICK :Guest61957 < 1423284891 254432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not it is annoying doesn't seem to be relevant? < 1423284924 357029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you can win or not by figuring out the question, isn't it? < 1423284967 158991 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression oren would sent people to the liar god when smiting them due to presuming that this would be the relatively "bad" afterlife. < 1423285009 506585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If being smited doesn't automatically mean you lose, then being smited is just another way to answer your question isn't it? Therefore you can figure it out from that. < 1423285019 508639 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423285105 305549 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My aforementioned comment directed towards oren is beyond the scope of the puzzle. < 1423285234 545039 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... I was going off of Christian mythology where Satan is the prince of lies. < 1423285353 388132 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, though he sounds more like a Bizzaro. < 1423285402 301397 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse would be if you had to live with someone who only communicates in yes-no responses as your only source of conversation to begin with. < 1423285408 966246 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For extra-bizzaro, Jesus is referred to as "lucifer" in the Vulgate. < 1423285551 408703 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423285566 253466 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"16:02 < MDude> Worse would be if you had to live with someone who only communicates in yes-no responses as your only" i think the concept of undecidability comes clear when someone pushes you to answer yes/no only < 1423285578 605992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it might be a title because he is often called light of the world, but that isn't his name, although neither is Jesus; his name is supposed to be Yeshua Ben Josef. < 1423285614 57911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have a copy of Vulgate anyways. < 1423285615 650167 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ yes on the hebrew sources he's called Yeshua < 1423285642 549079 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Yosef < 1423285734 207226 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It was used to describe him as the "light of the world", yes. < 1423285833 235268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, even if it looks like "extra-bizzaro", at least I can see the reason clearly. < 1423285848 90006 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1423285848 251042 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in English his name would be Jesus Jesephson? < 1423285869 937711 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: No, "Jesus Ben Josef" or "Yeshua Ben Josef". < 1423285881 884107 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern English doesn't have a rule of Anglicizing names. < 1423285883 192737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think so, but I don't study all that history? < 1423285965 735758 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: :) < 1423285980 4595 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeshua Ben Yosef < 1423285991 936707 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalog: XD You are right. < 1423286008 676748 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jou are right too < 1423286038 800931 :Guest61957!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1423286038 961897 :Guest61957!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423286056 418700 :Guest61957!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1423286058 633575 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What little I know of Christianity is from interactions with the Christian half of my family < 1423286094 292950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I dunno if the Devil is supposed to lie all the time, or just sometimes < 1423286145 121872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Some things I know of Christianity from my family but also from studying; sometimes I read various book and learn various stuff, and sometimes I just ask a question, or I just heard/read what someone else has said. < 1423286149 660079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logic puzzles I've seen He seems to lie constantly. < 1423286180 300086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, a stupid strategy for an evil entity. < 1423286247 99352 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did invent lies, not neccessarily perfect using them. < 1423286264 755822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's just a made up puzzle situation anyways though, so it doesn't matter if other entity's strategy is stupid as long as it is formalized isn't it? < 1423286535 496167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1423286812 557398 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423286835 305757 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423287934 121073 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423288289 93070 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423288804 37987 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423289218 649313 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423289253 905437 :Guest11!~textual@ip68-12-126-92.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423289482 927981 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423289614 278763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: no, I think the trope is that the Devil never lies, but he uses confusing statements and twisting words < 1423289647 432212 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423289708 361599 :Guest11!~textual@ip68-12-126-92.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1423290467 590158 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I see < 1423290495 890837 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423290611 359462 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1423290641 69410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ttml14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41860&oldid=41403 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+1) 10uugh, i must have been drunk < 1423291423 693490 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423291492 673869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423292216 668643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423293443 94373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to think of how to combine mahjong with Magic: the Gathering. < 1423293497 547240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I came up with is the mahjong hand is played during the oya's precombat main and dobon rule must be used < 1423293536 365031 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423293673 473068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have 1 life point = 1000 mahjong point; fractional life points remain unaffected by Magic: the Gathering except if you have 100-900 you still don't lose. < 1423293814 597528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think is better way? < 1423293896 318807 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423293898 904443 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1423294016 356288 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.64.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423294123 238659 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423294268 601615 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423295092 635801 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423295615 344016 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving NICK :Qfwfq|zzz < 1423296110 481974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1423298224 266168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423298311 312996 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423300002 478988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wct14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41861 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+479) 10/* The Greeks already did this. */ new section < 1423300113 635553 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423300281 778589 :Qfwfq|zzz!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving NICK :Qfwfq < 1423300507 226347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423301221 398759 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423301655 337402 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423301681 294900 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423302281 321202 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423303036 467505 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423303333 389827 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423304019 967746 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423304701 374019 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423305106 410133 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.64.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423305213 808513 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.94.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423305543 242634 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.94.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423305793 596158 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1423305809 815128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423305862 255205 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423306068 502998 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423306072 621283 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423306131 374858 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423306335 882133 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423306577 906351 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1423306994 429553 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss tail call optimization. :P < 1423307225 299068 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423307619 839823 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I do tail calls with Goto in C < 1423307637 304931 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh heh. < 1423307644 934762 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if JS has that. < 1423307690 633299 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some reason people frown on me setting all the parameters and 'goto start;' < 1423307872 70466 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sometimes convert a goto to a do{}while() loop < 1423307904 964904 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people forget all about the humble do{}while() loop < 1423307982 407939 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bizarre. My code doesn't terminate unless I use my function as a method instead of a function ... < 1423308022 614931 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm, I see what I've done wrong. weird as hell that it works that way at all ... < 1423308246 614776 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423308494 586252 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. a CMS in haskell. https://github.com/lambdacms/lambdacms-core < 1423308838 857732 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basics of web design http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/index.php < 1423308887 392561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/splash3.gif is a fantastic image < 1423308893 178046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can gravity assist you? < 1423308960 493340 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can. Oberth Manever < 1423308975 810990 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gravity helps me stay on the ground sometimes < 1423308979 951854 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has a lot of potential. < 1423309002 157913 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Potentially"?) < 1423309056 283095 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/ < 1423309120 7628 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yeah, really looking forward to ES6. < 1423309156 780193 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, looks like fucking no one supports it yet, standard or no. . . :P < 1423309245 393435 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like comparison tables that have single-valued rows < 1423309639 857576 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423310386 233731 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's a nice table. < 1423310450 223971 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also amusing that IE tech preview rates higher in compliance than anything except 6to5 transpilers ... < 1423310515 523183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can. Oberth Manever < 1423310529 870361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :effect, not manoeuvre, and i think they were probably referring to gravity assists < 1423310578 275404 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423311665 488046 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423312521 389535 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423312601 856784 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423312706 318282 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423312807 517445 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1423312894 629582 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423313087 569738 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423314667 642773 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423315083 662648 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423316164 619271 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recently used a foreach-until loop. >ω> < 1423316271 853483 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423316515 619436 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423316539 277160 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423316575 55430 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1423316588 297969 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1423316756 286321 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423316946 265846 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423316998 936833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423317352 432471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423317353 689924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TRICKLING CHICKEN < 1423317417 267789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: foreach-until? < 1423317441 17491 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean having a conditional break at the end of the loop? < 1423317612 125265 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, no, It was actually phrased foreach … until, because in the language in question you can use any loop opener with any loop closer. The effect is the same though. < 1423317718 126286 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1423317739 495405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: So, does that language allow a while while loop? < 1423317835 359451 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, while is neither an opener nor a closer, but actually a negative conditional break. It’s a forth variant btw. < 1423318406 671256 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1423318563 264404 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically you use “begin … repeat” (by itself an infinite loop) and stick “ while” in there. At the beginning it’s like a while loop, at the end it’s like a do-while loop. < 1423318607 430428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat < 1423318612 867725 :S1!~S1@p4FF925C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320320 259718 :S1!~S1@p4FF925C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423320320 460251 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423320320 621065 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423320320 621174 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423320320 782043 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423320320 942920 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423320329 262702 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320331 504994 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320346 385620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320417 619137 :S1!~S1@p4FF925C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320450 18909 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320485 406234 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320627 238210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423320851 409607 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423321487 868735 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423322077 244718 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of how Python has while-else and try-else. < 1423322175 919142 :S1!~S1@p4FF925C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1423322379 414152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: what language? < 1423322741 304080 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MUF, a forthish variant, a scripting language used in some MU*s, but my only resource on it (the guy who asked for help) says every place that uses it has its own incompatible set of builtins and such. < 1423322755 933050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1423323423 238198 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423323710 658645 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423323854 549607 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423323946 626080 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423324248 204541 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423324852 960762 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423325139 82258 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423325655 222771 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423326292 304076 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423326386 992973 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423328195 624113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latër < 1423328195 784856 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1423328211 417218 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423328884 357708 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-73-18-212-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423329094 159190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should do a #howesolangerslook < 1423329105 335503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an analogy to #howgamerslook < 1423329218 336387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks skeptically < 1423329253 436091 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-73-18-212-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423330801 635434 :arjanb!8259aaa3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423331455 123357 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423331479 238956 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423331490 493912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the class of languages which are turing complete when their output is pumped back into the program? < 1423331495 63285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. C preprocessor? < 1423331576 404164 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-73-18-212-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423331646 339140 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423331922 251436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So, turing complete when stuck in an outer loop? < 1423331928 873807 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1423331966 705122 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very big category < 1423332171 584876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty much anything that can branch" < 1423332177 992057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everything < 1423332185 153500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1423332191 279472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trees are turing complete < 1423332201 232587 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423332301 734363 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, because they are stuck in the seasons loop < 1423332312 758061 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, neat http://fll.presidentbeef.com/ < 1423332319 472897 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1423332344 440806 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423332429 240146 :adu_!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423332447 584796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1423332460 692163 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a list of languages that aren't neccessarily esoteric, but aren't widespread either. < 1423332462 6292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :These creepy lumber jacks are always trying to destroy my turing machines. < 1423332485 30377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fungot were here he would think the same way < 1423332534 599946 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of language the reversible language I want to get to will be. < 1423332567 237493 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423332567 482954 :adu_!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net NICK :adu < 1423332589 730110 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll only have branchine, but its output is to meant to get pumped back into it, with parts of it optionally replaced by input. < 1423332629 452769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kittenlang.org/ < 1423332631 385513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1423332644 498078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's statically typed and stack based < 1423332648 134677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always a plus point < 1423332770 122204 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I should submit Heresy to that. < 1423332825 222516 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423332848 335723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423332861 356267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuck in an outer loop is the same as having a recursive function < 1423332893 317686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not exactly the same < 1423332900 219356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think same enough :) < 1423333980 851416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello mroman < 1423334034 111885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1423334140 671979 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423334190 169739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the imitation game any good < 1423334264 603601 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423334270 510512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game? < 1423334334 300447 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423334393 785803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the movie the imitation game < 1423334598 550631 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything like an Object Oriented Assembly language in existance? < 1423334862 669035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might consider jvm bytecodes to be essentially that? a lot of the abstraction of objects is removed... < 1423335133 572374 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda just threw to words together. But that's quite a good interpretation, I think. < 1423335291 874985 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Yes. I can't remember what it's called though. < 1423335356 977408 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Level_Assembly < 1423335461 901337 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"object-oriented assembly language programming." Didn't actually think it would exist. < 1423335487 99976 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423335582 935779 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wct14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41862&oldid=41858 5* 03Mihip 5* (+891) 10/* Examples */ < 1423335599 938726 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423336464 462214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/NKldiU4a < 1423336469 292762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I present to you < 1423336470 674327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOLesque < 1423336474 644537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque with IO :) < 1423336512 777767 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D, you've been busy. < 1423336655 933710 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423336666 561743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/kV0MSf49 < 1423336678 206560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque is becoming somewhat shellscripty I guess < 1423336800 685880 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. When Anagol adopts it, we'll finally be able to do the "123" golf task. < 1423336826 275609 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does the time thingie show milliseconds? < 1423336841 150914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :time /t doesn't show milliseconds < 1423336850 755317 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seconds...? < 1423336863 478976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm:ss < 1423336869 600226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :time /t is windows though < 1423337017 30795 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423337021 828747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not backwards compatible < 1423337036 577128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I need some characters to signal "io expression" or "blsq expression" < 1423337037 960615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1423337106 794441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iosq? < 1423337214 697842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423337483 186995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: there's also blsq on the web < 1423337485 245038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1423337486 169540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1423337492 161190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all bullshit of course < 1423337512 821954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wct14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41863&oldid=41862 5* 03Mihip 5* (+495) 10/* Examples */ < 1423337528 501768 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1423337554 925186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's useless crap? < 1423337646 555453 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423337740 712240 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my view of it is of course narrowed by the code golfing. BUt I've used Burlesque for other stuff occasionally. < 1423337794 419806 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting substring, getting all permutations of a list. Was a lot quicker to just fire uup the shell. < 1423337809 667400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1423337817 485707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I created it for :) < 1423337832 184589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my studies < 1423337833 37116 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people use J for serious reason, I thought. Why not your baby too? < 1423337844 372762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my baby is fuckingly slow :) < 1423337867 788608 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, just lazy... wait. < 1423337881 173162 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should make it quicker. < 1423338149 871538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wct14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41864&oldid=41863 5* 03Mihip 5* (-31) 10 < 1423338360 930213 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423339015 404656 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423339044 17749 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :J has a built-in verb for getting the nth permutation < 1423339103 33603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are now two York programming meetup groups both meeting on the last Thursday of the month at 7PM... < 1423339159 357710 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423339527 668083 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a schism! < 1423339790 658232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, they have no overlap < 1423339796 953974 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One's for Haskell and one's for JavaScript < 1423339887 687573 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423339977 729707 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then there's gonna be a third group about Scala and they'll all want to go < 1423340036 214267 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, JavaScript and Scala have very little in common at all < 1423340041 845106 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be getting mixed up with Java < 1423340048 548586 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423340070 780149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if Elm takes off... < 1423340077 5340 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can compile Scala to JabaScript. < 1423340081 826129 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪ < 1423340102 201757 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423340107 986671 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, you can also compile Haskell to JavaScript < 1423340126 137627 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yup. Really, you can compile damn near anything to JavaScript these days. < 1423340138 126399 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to asm.js and Emscripten anyway ... < 1423340153 466794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even compile Node to JavaScript! < 1423340193 858437 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1423340386 606460 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423340404 881478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've standardized a VM for Browsers rather than Javascript < 1423340431 642645 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make like a book an livre < 1423341157 127780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think better would be they don't need a script < 1423341228 75635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you delete pictures on facebook? < 1423341259 466201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1423341260 161047 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befriend Mark, and ask him nicely. < 1423341267 881333 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1423341276 23829 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they're never really gone. < 1423341306 549505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use JavaScript programs with Synchronet as server-side scripts for HTTP or as door programs for telnet access < 1423341334 70693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Synchronet can also use DOS programs and native programs as door programs too) < 1423341394 833173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course XULrunner stuff is also all in JavaScripts. < 1423341521 41680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to combine mahjong and other games with Magic: the Gathering? < 1423341591 418980 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423341713 365340 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423342105 424059 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-73-18-212-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423342290 819001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not write the browser itself in javascript < 1423342306 885728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could, although it might be slow < 1423342350 273853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would still need to make the graphics libraries and so on accessible to JavaScripts though < 1423342408 653201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423342414 781821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make them part of ECMA Standard < 1423342418 70840 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think Vivaldi is doing the UI in HTML/CSS/JS. < 1423342457 843219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla has the HTML and CSS implementations in C++ but all of the menus and stuff of the browser are implemented in JavaScript. < 1423342458 980138 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's Breach, which is in fact written in pure JS. http://breach.cc/ < 1423342490 122458 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess technically it's still on top of the Chromium engine by way of node.js) < 1423343765 836059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All official world cards in Magic: the Gathering are global enchantments, but I also want to make up a world creature, a world land, and a world Aura < 1423344324 496249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kjugobe's Psychic Control {5UU} Enchantment - Aura :: Enchant spell :: Enchanted spell gains split second. :: You control enchanted spell's controller. :: Flash, Ripple 2 < 1423344393 435953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1423345001 594506 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423345039 899790 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget about the ternary operator. < 1423345612 677756 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423345885 496996 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423346123 219482 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423346199 314352 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423346795 390258 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423347689 274974 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It says “I like to move the behavior of unsophisticated young engineers by making this job seem fun by buying 20 cent cans of soda, saving myself tens of thousands in compensation while simultaneously encouraging them to ruin their health.” And I like soda.) < 1423347690 853064 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/10/28/dont-call-yourself-a-programmer/ < 1423348035 478759 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PART :#esoteric < 1423348498 567859 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423348683 591693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I should think about the fact that so many of my Codewars solutions are uniques ... < 1423349182 152086 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1423349185 332889 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1423349239 17101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not often when you select a new package in aptitude and see that it will download over 360 MB... Got it down to 127 MB by removing some recommended dependencies I didn't really need. Still massive. < 1423349251 587832 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423349369 463569 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423349407 474536 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423349433 3821 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423349433 173664 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nqolithfmhoxdceg QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423349433 422650 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xolaskxgnxqdoogz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423349433 593436 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423349476 165330 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtqnacotoazodhrk JOIN :#esoteric < 1423349491 171091 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423349564 357509 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1423349667 237211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423349679 703259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking snowstorm < 1423349683 938313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1423349684 723015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 072220Z 33018KT 9999 VCSH SCT002 BKN015 M03/M04 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 33031G42KT < 1423349831 179684 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zcmeleaadtjsblpe JOIN :#esoteric < 1423349920 610451 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423349962 627882 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :chaosagent < 1423350011 45992 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423350043 546538 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423350478 423110 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423350577 951308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is correct way to make IRC bot (dealing with buffering and whatever else is necessary)? http://sprunge.us/fSeb < 1423351380 903250 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423351404 496393 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1423351417 710203 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zoksmmpmnmxpfspp QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423351654 929981 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423351851 500519 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tzpzhklxmpwgprhv JOIN :#esoteric < 1423352371 73734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm a popup saying std::bad_alloc when opening a program is a bit worrying, even though it appears to be working correctly otherwise... < 1423352409 287036 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a big city. < 1423352415 870203 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm scrolled up. < 1423352466 185859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, heh? < 1423352503 132875 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! 6to5 just got TCO: https://github.com/6to5/6to5/pull/714 < 1423353138 262579 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423353193 307193 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423353247 243208 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423353871 872462 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423353878 376557 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I read what I was replying to wrong to begin with. < 1423354147 978026 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423354804 657171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know IRC bot writing stuff? < 1423355708 292628 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423355881 257679 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423357667 694340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423358247 343691 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423358328 328842 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423358518 937476 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1423359241 410186 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423359538 375508 :Guest11!~textual@ip68-12-126-92.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423359719 410322 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Biotics has moved their study end date to mid 2015 < 1423359721 102643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our 200 person, placebo-controlled study is slated for completion in mid 2015. " < 1423359774 336472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1423359774 808741 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.generalbiotics.com/robots.txt < 1423359785 840259 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're explicitly and specifically blocking the Internet Archive < 1423361121 269293 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423361537 801747 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423361633 182601 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bothers me when sites do that < 1423361652 95273 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though sometimes I get it, if the site is really dynamic < 1423361701 584055 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't < 1423361702 438233 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423361707 161692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been blocked since Dec 2014 < 1423361707 558395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wayback.archive.org/web/20141217104405/http://www.generalbiotics.com/robots.txt < 1423361719 985085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it funny IA considers itself allowed to show that < 1423361917 954843 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1423362048 307290 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423365177 525938 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423365182 504045 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423365891 344650 :Guest11!~textual@ip68-12-126-92.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423366497 479398 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423367219 481661 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423367469 626651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1423367474 468637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did it get to be almost 4 AM? < 1423367622 636360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an hour ago < 1423367641 595158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423367674 538173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly brits < 1423367700 286009 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1423367730 629074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a good time for me to get some sleep < 1423367779 136125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slep is for the wzz < 1423367798 437180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION the wzz < 1423367814 540566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight < 1423367823 280475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423368621 836309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423370603 261008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423371755 596331 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423371809 962988 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding standard proposal: when using the God Object Antipattern, name the object 'God' < 1423371987 824940 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423372017 966207 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423372079 433082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such a case you usually shouldn't even need an object if you can avoid it (although sometimes you cannot avoid it) < 1423372091 579997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1423372091 780111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 5h 19m 28s ago: if the collatz counterexample can be one which grows indefinitely rather than looping, and if the win condition has to be detected in finite time, then i don't see how you can possibly distinguish that from a number that just takes a very long time to reach 1 < 1423372721 679857 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423372777 472941 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423373342 564792 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423373362 469368 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423373437 642705 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed somsone mispelled Javascript as Jabascript earlier a some point. < 1423373477 352584 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which made me think there should maybe be a Star Wars themed scripting language called Jabbascript. < 1423373518 399336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: hey stop reading my thoughts < 1423373563 150413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to make it up if you like to < 1423373604 947257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Youknowone 5* 10New user account < 1423373650 234512 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to learn Hutese first so I can make it in that. < 1423373678 973605 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another person fiding Esolangs via Anarchy Golf. < 1423373690 78622 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good partnership. < 1423373754 40815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people seem to like to avoid "everything is a filter" kind of programming, but I don't avoid it and probably most of my programs are acting as filters. < 1423373787 8734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41865&oldid=40352 5* 03Youknowone 5* (-61) 10/* External resources */ < 1423374016 729238 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh neat, Huttese uses base 8. < 1423374054 597658 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423374089 5877 :GeekTest!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423374096 662092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do a lot of people hate it? < 1423374150 259500 :GeekTest!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1423374878 922235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41866&oldid=39945 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+210) 10Added a couple of new instructions, fixed the definition of an instruction. Changed some code to work with the fixed instruction definition. < 1423374991 497397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423375131 426790 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423376446 978271 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1423376646 522314 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423378490 76000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1423378577 780204 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423382882 119227 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423382929 406571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423383168 744810 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qqcatunyfavekytb QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423383198 314791 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eyhrcvtkbhshtoyp QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423383227 791861 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlvlpihodjyhzgkh JOIN :#esoteric < 1423383308 653904 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1423383429 515268 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sandshjzqjlewukw JOIN :#esoteric < 1423383558 753765 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423384620 785796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there other functions that you think SQLIRCBOT would require to include built-in? < 1423384921 263309 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science! http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/152090/measuring-feline-capacitance < 1423385373 692415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does it take to become a pro soldat player again < 1423385376 5536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :day 1 :) < 1423386099 698290 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1423386390 682716 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423386514 492617 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423386790 582380 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423386888 242339 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423388389 833747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I suck < 1423388903 893227 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423389101 729107 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423390105 648922 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423390178 677463 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423390393 109674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/Y3sUFPbG < 1423390434 73080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the io builtin prepares an IO command to execute < 1423390979 891915 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a Windows computer in a device the size of 4 thumb drives. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-hannspree-micro-pc-review < 1423390983 755349 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :technology is amazing. < 1423391013 666675 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, what kind of machine has `time /t` < 1423391155 491283 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423391166 547607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah windows machine < 1423391170 297184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1423391294 432974 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows shell doesn't have backquotes... < 1423391324 828532 :Neolink5!~neolink@217.118.81.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423391361 382274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a shell < 1423391364 460272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's IOLesque < 1423391370 360692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dialect of Burlesque with IO < 1423391402 419776 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1423391651 334654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION good morning < 1423391676 223989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/PK5mSHfG <- see < 1423391678 113021 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool < 1423391735 942829 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423391855 848730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not that cool but still < 1423391857 429317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something < 1423393726 359388 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423393848 345854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423393985 253462 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423394288 181761 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423394327 433900 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423394727 607345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's try something new < 1423394739 552786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna design an actual useful good-looking language for once < 1423394840 498313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? on this channel? < 1423395315 181684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's be perfectly esoteric ;) < 1423395378 300839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric programming language that is unfit for its primary purpose, namely being an esoteric programming language. < 1423395767 779274 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423395976 245524 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-111.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423396011 899122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1423396015 653594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec runs out of memory o_O < 1423396222 976311 :Neolink5!~neolink@217.118.81.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423396240 755948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1423396251 51710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs out of mem for parsing 5+5 < 1423396285 663445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even for parsing just 5 < 1423396286 201724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write a left-recursive grammar? < 1423396287 902908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1423396294 406339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1423396304 665855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1423396341 573259 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ok, your mistake is non-terminal. < 1423396367 806121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423396387 486214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression = expression bin_op expression < 1423396447 560057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see parsec can't handle that < 1423396480 900122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. it can't < 1423396485 258190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that < 1423396487 565955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do I fix it < 1423396491 907598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use recursive descent parsers < 1423396512 134652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only because they run out of memory, but because they are hard to debug when you make mistakes, they don't tell you about ambiguities < 1423396520 737723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a proper LR parser generator < 1423396557 539025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1423396564 423874 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression bin_op expression is always recursive < 1423396566 95814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do your own factorization, expression = term bin_op expression | term; term = literal | variable | "(" expression ") < 1423396569 122556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1423396591 361074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets more tedious with precedences < 1423396600 222920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1423396612 271319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fix it by doing expression = '(' expression bin_op expression ')' < 1423396614 174439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1423396621 377513 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle buildExpressionParser < 1423396623 561062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Expr buildExpressionParser :: OperatorTable tok st a -> GenParser tok st a -> GenParser tok st a < 1423396623 722446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Expr buildExpressionParser :: Stream s m t => OperatorTable s u m a -> ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m a < 1423396639 81348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: have you used that thing? < 1423396666 609992 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1423396674 806071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make a non-terminal <> terminal distinction < 1423396676 929678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1423396721 741376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never needed to parse expressions < 1423397392 643959 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423397406 456696 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :bender|_| < 1423397424 941056 :bender|_|!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1423397667 638722 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423398175 677002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1423398253 210044 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423398563 30173 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423398835 924965 :ElizaMarmot!~Marmot@175.136.135.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423398902 396233 :ElizaMarmot!~Marmot@175.136.135.122 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1423399505 769848 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-39-54.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423399505 968565 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-39-54.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1423399505 968688 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1423399620 95608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> runString "iMain(){return(5+5)}" < 1423399624 945552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PInteger 10 < 1423399626 590454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far so good < 1423399930 200864 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423400226 740893 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all lazy IO, I assume < 1423400619 828765 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.85.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423400646 879302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/OnXQ9sME < 1423400655 18337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :type is encoded in the identifier < 1423400797 477194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oMy < 1423401447 616513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: There's some precedent for that. (god is real, unless declared as integer...) < 1423401577 373069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nMain ? < 1423401587 633585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1423401712 450092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is nil < 1423401854 132049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: " I'm gonna design an actual useful good-looking language for once" <-- this one, I suppose < 1423402658 280089 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423403673 414720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the above wouldn't typecheck though < 1423403674 958566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423403680 130504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be dResult :) < 1423403696 582338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typechecking not implemented yet < 1423403940 265433 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423404208 285433 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423405980 82741 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423408085 899168 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423408258 759295 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423408284 28509 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the thing about programming languages is that a programming language usually has some sort of model of computation associated with it. < 1423408314 371449 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423408323 839474 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the challenge is abstracting over the computation model? < 1423408342 576734 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and C++ have very minimalistic models. Data consists of bytes. Code consists of instructions. That's it. < 1423408371 798262 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my point is that creating a "perfect programming language" would have to entail creating a perfect computation model, too. < 1423408406 341425 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages like Haskell and Python have "maximalistic" models, which are much easier to use and much harder to implement. < 1423408410 550659 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so minimalistic that it only takes dozens of pages to define them < 1423408416 826744 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds < 1423408477 572580 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the thing about linking two pieces of software, as everyone knows, is that it's easy as long as both pieces of software are written in the same language or one of them is written in C. < 1423408479 216815 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's be fair and only use the pages that talk about the basic memory semantics < 1423408542 354454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what about the concurrency model in C++? that's a vital part of the underlying computational < 1423408546 233844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computational model < 1423408760 821155 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the memory model had better be defined in less than a hundred pages or I will seriously consider switching to erlang < 1423408761 681732 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write a Python program that uses a Haskell library? Sure, as long as the Haskell library has a C-shaped interface, or you're calling it via IPC, or something. < 1423408821 864471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question is why you would ever attempt to do that < 1423408828 54553 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking with C is pretty hard unless you happen to already have a bunch of C linkers < 1423408960 549952 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423409000 927688 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should work on coming up with that perfect computation model. < 1423409020 678574 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can invent a new calling convention and force everyone around you to use it, there is nothing special about C in this sense. < 1423409135 97047 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423409168 138949 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423409573 213050 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423409672 599346 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the latest 14882 public draft is from 2013 < 1423410828 997016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1423410835 583040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't forget to patent your calling convention < 1423411249 241928 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423411338 240005 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423411568 333265 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423411575 68123 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly reconsidering his dismissal of TypeScript ... < 1423411925 383644 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :want kill 'undefined'. < 1423412103 157522 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcanello. what do you not like about undefined? < 1423412785 21855 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The tendency for JavaScript to return it instead of an error. ditto 'NaN'. < 1423412919 347913 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means that the result was undefined. < 1423412951 953641 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION want to completely annihilate NaN into some parallel Universe. < 1423412961 358017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423412965 105969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I understand the sentiment. < 1423412976 677374 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, but it returns that rather than an error in cases where even dynamic languages would just return an error. < 1423413087 891536 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423413104 354292 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh lord, and now I've hit a floating point bug. Yup, this exercise can fuck right the hell off ... < 1423413210 701906 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, javascript has exceptions? Why don't they just return null. < 1423413295 782282 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a perfectly denormal sentiment. < 1423413324 48832 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :denormal? < 1423413506 635024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, javascript has exception < 1423414079 221802 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423414971 773610 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript in generally does do some insane implicit behaviors; it seems as if it was designed with 'keep calm and carry on' as a language policy. < 1423415002 817129 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, guess what the following returns: 5 + function (x) { return; } < 1423415035 347235 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, lemme try to guess. < 1423415042 92420 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'5'? < 1423415061 698011 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'5function (x) { return; }' < 1423415064 277250 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a string. < 1423415081 337744 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1423415115 829200 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pet peeve of mine is when a language has a value called "undefined". < 1423415161 694504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one or two exceptions. < 1423415193 248556 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nil" and "null" are fine. Decent ways of saying "no ordinary value". < 1423415289 840436 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "undefined" is an adjective meaning "not having a definition". < 1423415310 260238 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I actually kinda like the Maybe type for that. Or just Scheme/Racket's use of the empty list for nil. Because it has a practical use. < 1423415375 101670 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I don't like is when there's a difference between a variable having a value called "undefined" and the variable *actually not being defined*. < 1423415378 307612 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, JS' case it's more the interpreter going 'well, I don't know what to do here' (which happens a lot) and just returning 'undefined' and carrying on. That to me is the behavior of a crazy person. < 1423415407 105707 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those are the *same* thing, that's fine. If they're different things, then the guys who created the programming language really need to think about what the word "defined" means. < 1423415764 953593 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXTREME CHICKEN < 1423415808 250245 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423415855 475185 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423416690 83006 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-209.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423416697 392548 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423416697 598306 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1423416722 656794 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423417000 368395 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1423417339 841298 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423419144 70836 :rxs1!~rxs@g224202222.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423419436 212555 :rxs1!~rxs@g224202222.adsl.alicedsl.de PART :#esoteric < 1423419636 28736 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.85.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423420644 670525 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1423420855 81742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kallisti < 1423421123 78164 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1423421156 261757 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think undefined would make sense as a vaue. If it can be the result of an operation on paper, a comptuer should be able to represent it. < 1423421195 860675 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of "undefined" are we talking about? < 1423421302 951880 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: if you ask me, it can't be the result of an operation on paper. < 1423421335 336161 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 isn't an operation whose result is a value called "undefined". It's a sequence of symbols that has the property of being undefined. < 1423421342 338980 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, a certain kind of undefined can be the result of a computation which never halts. < 1423421357 99986 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, so-called " < 1423421376 853452 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"undefined behavior" where the specification or implementation of something doesn't handle a certain case. < 1423421545 811845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that view kinda clashes with denotational semantics < 1423421552 291411 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're talking about, say, the value of "undefined" in javascript, you could say that this is "defined" in some sense, since it is a definition representing things that are deterministically without a specific meaning. < 1423421555 409745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we say that [[ 1 / 0 ]] = _|_ < 1423421559 161424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an actual value < 1423421653 926119 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *nod* Yeah, you're right. < 1423421760 237855 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423421784 985485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what's up. you can't just reappear every N months without telling everyone your life story since < 1423421795 283944 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I can < 1423421796 850021 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it all the time < 1423421801 834935 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life is uninteresting < 1423421808 682652 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh COME ON < 1423421815 368507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's illegal < 1423421843 862497 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just spill it already < 1423421879 171428 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are denotations technically computations though? < 1423421900 639386 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so, how about that operating system we're collaborating on making? < 1423422097 413761 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have returned < 1423422113 25009 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :operating systems are hard < 1423422144 80301 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's use the Linux kernel but write everything else from scratch. < 1423422193 311703 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very interested in starting a project with that kind of scope until I get other things sorted out. < 1423422202 158009 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: undefined in JS is more messy than you might think.. there's a well-defined value called "undefined", a global variable "undefined" holding said value, and also the typeof operator sometimes returns the string 'undefined' < 1423422206 47220 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "not being homeless or starving to death" < 1423422226 798482 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think tswett ever mentioned JS. That was my contribution. Coincidentally, I've been writing a lot of JS code. < 1423422230 509928 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* That's fair. < 1423422251 77346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, typeof foo results in the string 'undefined' both if foo is defined and holds the value undefined, and if it is /not defined/ < 1423422254 542506 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crazy :< < 1423422271 146022 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I just read parts of the backlog, might've missed the context < 1423422352 686674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you now even kallisti < 1423422353 16232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words, in JS it both means "not defined" and "holds the `undefined` value" (and is the name of a global variable) < 1423422357 848787 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 23 < 1423422391 309586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1423422418 251917 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes? now I feel I should be concerned about something. < 1423422499 282006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being old < 1423422527 13478 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too crazy. It just means that the value undefined doesn't actually mean 'an undefined variable'. It just means that undefined variables result in an undefined value, but not the other way around. < 1423422589 65905 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you'd use hasOwnProperty to actually determine if a specific name has never been assigned to. < 1423422631 851626 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think when you hit 20 or so you start feeling old and then as you get closer to 25 you start feeling young again briefly, and then probably old again after that point, but I haven't gotten there yet. < 1423422647 156615 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just my experience anyway < 1423422660 325920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 19 and I feel old < 1423422690 996152 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. so did I. < 1423422721 150285 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall now confirmation bias this piece of information. Thank you for your input. < 1423422781 838028 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so there's actually a difference between an unassigned variable and a variable containing "undefined"? < 1423422806 689074 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1423422826 433807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to access the former is an error < 1423422888 6474 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you have 'use strict' enabled < 1423422934 885178 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm pretty sure that's the case either way. As in, if you open a repl and type foo you get a ReferenceError < 1423422954 780098 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423423037 555263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What strict mode changes wrt globals is that you need to explicitly declare variables before assigning to them < 1423423091 223573 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. I guess I never use strict mode then. < 1423423097 459290 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-strict mode, I mean. -_- < 1423423107 952992 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew :p < 1423423175 126833 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had started writing my current node.js project in livescript, actually. < 1423423209 25399 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423423247 973101 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really feel like rewriting everything in livescript, and only writing SOME of it in livescript seems a little awkward. < 1423423258 156131 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of project is it? < 1423423271 770356 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :web application. < 1423423377 912819 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions of nested callbacks becomes second nature at some point, but if I were using livescript I could use "backcalls" to flatten everything. < 1423423400 575051 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nearly identical to do notation. < 1423423460 707197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41867&oldid=41866 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+0) 10Fix 99 bottles of beer with the new instruction fixes. < 1423423488 893671 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh, this is an IRC channel for esoteric programming languages isn't it? < 1423423552 240134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: remember the good all days when we argued all the time < 1423423553 683114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*old days < 1423423570 529453 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely < 1423423763 598453 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any interesting new esolangs since I was last here? < 1423423772 362392 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or languages in general that I may be unaware of? < 1423424087 669802 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423424098 425184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. probably? < 1423424102 304987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were last here semi-recently < 1423424172 720053 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I haven't really been following language design closely for several years. < 1423424198 416069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you said since you were last here :p < 1423424199 542985 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, maybe not exactly when I was last present on the channel < 1423424209 117919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we implemented deadfish in even more languages! < 1423424228 126718 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowowowow deadfish hype < 1423424245 645568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish 71 now < 1423424274 630323 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish in deadfish. that's all I need. < 1423424323 149766 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the perl implementation isn't a one-liner though < 1423424327 870423 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :might need to fix that < 1423424433 726481 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme" < 1423424452 504644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that's old. they ahve R7RS now I think < 1423424454 937263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one as me < 1423424456 131988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was me < 1423424459 442764 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's an actual thing < 1423424462 256005 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even a joke < 1423424467 997752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is broken but whatever < 1423424474 768037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly did it for the ridiculously full language name < 1423424480 349857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: haha it's just R5RS Scheme < 1423424486 569798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5 in R5RS is for Revised^5 < 1423424499 860433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally it was like, the Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme < 1423424503 313580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the Revised Revised Report < 1423424512 974894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they started using power superscripts pretty quickly < 1423424516 969313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call it "Revised^7 Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheem" < 1423424526 891317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1423424531 385622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a misspelling < 1423424534 111636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something like that < 1423424604 965386 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unfortunate that the number of revisions will probably not exceed the threshold beyond which up-arrow notation is reasonable. < 1423424619 15445 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it does, I won't be alive for it. < 1423424798 920429 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423424809 949423 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Protocol Buffers have such an awful name. < 1423424811 170441 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423425133 330402 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-209.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423425311 74874 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1423425326 506417 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423425822 932389 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423426118 233008 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423426405 786504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoAPI14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41868&oldid=39468 5* 03Smjg 5* (+26) 10wayback < 1423426414 606116 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423426492 745496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: are you still in uh. the same physicall ocation you were. god I forget where that even was but it seemed like half the channel lived there < 1423426595 316499 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423426598 538067 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1423426614 186021 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Georgia (the US state not the nation) < 1423426900 958680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PESOIX14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41869&oldid=30600 5* 03Smjg 5* (-13) 10found something on wayback < 1423426908 458344 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423426945 167582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*physical location < 1423428283 438704 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423428283 636584 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423428707 121751 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423429106 767644 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1423430816 372534 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Orbiter is perfectly happy to let you turn the ISS into a meteorite < 1423431460 572648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the Deadfish article render the last few sections incorrectly for a few seconds? < 1423431543 175184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Deadfish implementation is longest? Is it the one for Famicom? < 1423431674 361668 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423431677 388908 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423431766 34155 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423431847 917064 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423432238 808992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the Chicken one longer? < 1423432490 141063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortest one seems to be AWK, followed by Staq, and then dc. < 1423432661 993490 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423432717 688521 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1423433251 595510 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423433652 657408 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423433761 909503 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1423434413 271300 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423434881 847437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423435432 203952 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423435907 98785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is COBOL program using the C library for I/O? < 1423436300 893870 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423436442 695702 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.166 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423436457 226870 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423436606 997781 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423436723 238442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423436777 97616 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423437219 424737 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellø ҈rjan < 1423437420 129225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41870&oldid=41789 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+388) 10Added Kipple version. < 1423437758 524396 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a q i've been wondering about today: assume you have an array A of bools. at t=0, A[0]=true and all the rest are false. assume the working memory can contain only one bool (bit), and you have a pointer to A which you can either inc or dec by 1, and it goes back cyclically when out of range. which computations can't this machine do? < 1423437805 907318 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like tape turing machine with redundant state machines < 1423437823 372406 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423437825 890016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what operations can you do < 1423437845 356323 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i forgot: you can either read, or set to 0, 1, or to the mem bit < 1423437856 449636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no branching? < 1423437873 972289 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not explicitly < 1423437894 673137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't loop? < 1423437903 454946 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall the buffer is cyclic < 1423437919 68861 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it begins with its head marked < 1423437920 292720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423437921 850580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's finite? < 1423437925 372130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1423437927 236361 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah say N < 1423437930 932370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it sounds like you can't do much at all with this < 1423437936 864877 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1423437937 912402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very limited state machine < 1423437941 734456 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the q is what < 1423437944 992097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's barely even computation < 1423437967 962246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly what class it'd be in, though < 1423437969 32226 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it verify if k divides n? < 1423437984 455877 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can, right? < 1423438084 860542 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also mark all square roots < 1423438099 420441 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, complete squares. 1,4,9,16,25.. < 1423438120 427241 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can detect if N is prime < 1423438143 618116 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423438167 486652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1423438172 750353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe it's more interesting than I thought < 1423438297 695284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ҈ < 1423438310 645626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0488 COMBINING CYRILLIC HUNDRED THOUSANDS SIGN] < 1423438454 385556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1423438463 731833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h ҈ily < 1423438901 137555 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there shouldn't have been a space having had left there... < 1423438986 70128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423439027 300220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423439040 247465 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm more or less coherent today. I was complaining that a space shouldn't have been left there. < 1423439043 223401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ҈ < 1423439044 371688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0488 COMBINING CYRILLIC HUNDRED THOUSANDS SIGN] < 1423439070 677913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ø ҈r < 1423439072 925014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00F8 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0488 COMBINING CYRILLIC HUNDRED THOUSANDS SIGN] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] < 1423439092 65047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THERE IS < 1423439162 95913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. and please don't shout too much. I'm finally enjoying a lack of headache. < 1423439236 108620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not < 1423439330 742061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, was it a sample of your suave OKAY voice? < 1423439411 70487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i am not enjoying a lack of headache. < 1423439493 305996 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sickness? hangover? alien invasion? meteorite? < 1423439552 318259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely no. 3, i think. < 1423439618 869599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although come to think of it, i am coughing a bit as well < 1423439631 858 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423439779 185217 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423439804 669651 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423440270 568415 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q2: we have an array of bools with 1 bit memory. we can do all bit operations, 1- and 2-ary, with the current tape's head and the mem bit. now this machine can do 2-cnf and 2-dnf, right? < 1423440282 820581 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you characterize *everything* it can do? < 1423440302 545611 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i hope bold keeps your head fine < 1423440348 530112 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this machine obviously cannot do everything. can it do 3cnf? < 1423440394 97721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalog: bold is correct. < 1423440444 783276 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423440797 87876 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423441335 11475 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423441363 72328 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423441391 348328 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs a random < 1423441471 959729 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :landspeed of a migrating fungot is 78mp/s < 1423441612 755132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Lilax “no stabbing in the channel!” < 1423441639 691944 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps and dies to death < 1423441663 148050 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you die, please don't leave hard to wash stains hth < 1423441747 779956 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sprays blood and calcium oxide on the carpets < 1423441869 179234 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423441964 872734 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel created Sun Nov 26 2006 1:42:50 < 1423441973 588311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place was actually created in 202 < 1423441974 600607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2002 < 1423441981 657896 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1423441986 779335 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1423442005 319479 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seeing why the channel time is off for the client < 1423442021 937065 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION snugs elliott < 1423442041 543058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1423442115 683819 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats Windows with a large stick < 1423442134 41484 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS Box < 1423442136 572169 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhooOoOoO < 1423442207 574230 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does +C mean? < 1423442321 592619 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :color strips? < 1423442347 121468 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non < 1423442386 493754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalog: i think your definition is very vague on this machine's flow control hth < 1423442401 27143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we have colour on < 1423442403 793128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips ctcps or something I think < 1423442409 100883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has none, afaict < 1423442416 220080 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i kinda built on q1 < 1423442428 211586 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has tape over the array, and head < 1423442439 712456 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can more left or right, but cyclically < 1423442442 561888 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bit of mem < 1423442455 815993 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1423442456 696385 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all 1- 2- ary bin funcs < 1423442466 173984 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reaaaaaaaaallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy small < 1423442641 980842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalog: i don't think you are understanding the question. < 1423442656 117800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not asking what it can do in a single instruction < 1423442672 96347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking how it decides what instruction to do next < 1423442693 135879 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not. its all prescribed < 1423442706 89464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just get a list of fixed instructions to execute < 1423442708 900697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :once < 1423442712 338732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1423442723 304323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess with a finite array... < 1423442726 545544 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the machine in q1 can create all complete squares indices to be true < 1423442728 444657 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423442743 684440 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets get together and make a humanoid AI named Glad0s < 1423442752 703020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a bit like those circuit complexity models < 1423442796 177828 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what you speak about. im pretty new on this stuff < 1423442817 432711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if the barrington theorem applies < 1423442838 500867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the answer is: anything, as long as you are allowed a few spare bits < 1423442848 668681 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those complexities < 1423442869 324979 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its like turing? < 1423442871 422254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think that's the case. < 1423442881 786732 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: not sure it's a good idea. < 1423442890 87804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like NC(1) < 1423442948 699590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not quite the same. < 1423442962 195511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think it's pretty unknown exactly how much that allows. < 1423442981 168752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. does it contain all of NP) < 1423443021 549687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing here is that the length of the program could be _much_ larger than the array itself < 1423443035 598044 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this depend on p=np? i.e. assume p=np then what? and assume p neq np then what? < 1423443039 57854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1423443050 189730 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm the machine, just NC(1) < 1423443077 647537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalog: actually if we assume an extremely large program, i don't think it depends. i think you can calculate any boolean function on the array minus those few spare bits. < 1423443113 535910 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423443117 29896 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for some problems you'll run out of mem even if you use the array as mem < 1423443117 780539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need enough to encode 5 different states of the machine) < 1423443119 145924 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigghhhhhhh < 1423443211 718349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalog: no, you actually don't. the barrington theorem works by visiting all cells a _lot_ of times, but it has to remember nothing other than its place in the program and which of the 5 states it's in < 1423443262 836964 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so if its turing complete, then we can built a turing equivalent machine by simple matrix multiplications < 1423443284 699883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "turing complete" does not apply to anything with a finite array as input. < 1423443288 519263 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. vector is the state, we mul it by a matrix on each step, very simple one < 1423443327 910035 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ofc turing completeness i.e. equivalent to some finite turing machine of order of magnitude of this machines < 1423443336 406986 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kiddos are so smart < 1423443368 963413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a given program only has time to visit finitely many cells, so if you want to calculate anything for arbitrary large arrays, you need to have the program dependent on the size of the array < 1423443380 277683 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423443408 444851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the actual turing-completeness question gets passed on to whatever you use to prepare the program < 1423443441 388243 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423443454 161287 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ic i'll try to understand barrington theorem welel < 1423443457 776511 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423443458 979321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is exactly how circuit complexity tends to work, except if you are careful with balancing the powers) < 1423443481 279470 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.83.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423443506 795225 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok do we have time to q3? < 1423443541 459123 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423443588 78751 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.83.150 NICK :AndoDaan < 1423443747 246541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's q3 < 1423443762 515989 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh. I didn't know that mimics in 0.15 changed character when you hit them. < 1423443771 207665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the NC(1) restriction is if the program has polynomial size in the array size, i think < 1423443771 434106 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's Quake hth. < 1423443793 951216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and P = NP need not apply, because it's not even known if NC(1) contains P < 1423443826 614203 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think we have a key-value hashtable storage. our machine can query for key and retrieve a value from the storage. it cannot query by value. and it can store in memory 1 key, 1 value, 1 auxiliary var. all same length < 1423443843 740351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the program has unlimited size then things get simpler. < 1423443903 517586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pointer machine < 1423443905 706998 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it begins with a single key in the memory < 1423443914 731739 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe idk < 1423443926 961572 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading < 1423443936 102956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a limited one < 1423444014 333730 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about it while wondering what computation can a dht network do with dht only < 1423444026 434110 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without syncronization ofc, otherwise its noninteresting < 1423444169 745424 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc they can be sync with e.g. blockchain algo, but its not purely mathematicaly true. crypto is practical science at this case < 1423444212 109976 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with blockchain its kinda nondeterministic machine < 1423444369 764664 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw on #zennet we sometimes have discussions about such problems, sometimes we like going deep on p=np and such < 1423444559 817489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1423444567 743343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he may actually be sick < 1423444604 541423 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime oerjan < 1423444605 155183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Mon Feb 9 02:16:44 2015 < 1423444657 774746 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go rest! you're being unreasonable! < 1423444671 760079 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your address, so I can send you a can of chicken soup? < 1423444693 423074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are somehow assuming i actually woke _up_ at a reasonable time tdnh < 1423444729 807272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have to go rest anyway, though. < 1423444738 368944 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423444748 271894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, however, i am eating. < 1423444836 292768 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.83.150 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423444866 435900 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is in the future < 1423444872 478024 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the 8th for me < 1423444881 663446 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell between a broken LCD cable and just it not being seated properly, if I only want to open computer once to fix it < 1423444889 727825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how american of you < 1423444903 905597 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make me < 1423444909 973459 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pat your face < 1423444914 278924 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:T < 1423444956 212305 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>:/ < 1423444977 992813 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually let me see something :00 < 1423445027 389197 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :T < 1423445028 425903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1423445031 393956 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423445037 899524 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime lifthrasiir < 1423445041 251615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for lifthrasiir is Mon Feb 9 10:23:58 2015 < 1423445050 473150 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good ol' CTCP TIME. < 1423445104 266741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how east asian of you < 1423445117 912910 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423445147 377838 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +9 < 1423445166 828369 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.188 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423445233 114889 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Lilax < 1423445247 242343 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1423445249 104596 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't work if your client doesn't support CTCP TIME < 1423445255 912786 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welllll < 1423445257 587924 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuk < 1423445306 514432 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the Lilaxtime is either 5:28pm or 8:28pm. < 1423445437 481781 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close < 1423445443 243269 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CLOSE < 1423445457 649306 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:32 < 1423445466 4305 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalker maybe < 1423445476 649289 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your watch/clock/radio is running fast. < 1423445495 685711 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses sattalite time < 1423445503 149103 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't spell sattalite < 1423445507 319539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was definitely :28 when i saw boily's message < 1423445516 959965 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non < 1423445518 298947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :satellite hth < 1423445529 281828 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 5:34 noa < 1423445543 505259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case your clock is off by 2 minutes or so < 1423445548 899893 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423445740 885572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's window's then there's a menu choice to ask it to contact a time server, if it's for some reason not doing that already < 1423445747 82783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-' < 1423445792 488731 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okuria.co.vu/post/110494876443/delusionalkieren-happy-valentines-day < 1423445799 779418 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is on fone < 1423445802 993268 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4ever < 1423445803 608209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1423445814 289841 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm poor and unreliable < 1423445820 692121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think a phone would know what time it is < 1423445829 759213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in these days < 1423445859 124263 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses the brick to irc < 1423445916 53680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you receive a telephone call, if you have call display then a phone should know what time it is, at least, even if it doesn't ordinarily know. < 1423445925 98637 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zcmeleaadtjsblpe QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423445925 259406 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jotkunyvovchxlph QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423446003 116624 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sandshjzqjlewukw QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423446007 241791 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't even bother < 1423446201 662267 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423446365 559577 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jinkies!! < 1423446440 565379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423446665 441222 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vlxwrelojfnupqya JOIN :#esoteric < 1423446679 401750 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhxmyqfrshyfayug JOIN :#esoteric < 1423446688 143831 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvwnvzukjsthbbqx JOIN :#esoteric < 1423447236 974433 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If tilting my monitor changes how broken or not the display is, is it likely a broken LCD cable, loose LCD cable, or something else? < 1423447427 891673 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you getting artifacts? < 1423447445 161755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting weird bands of color, usually blue < 1423447454 138010 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seem to appear when a specific color is shown on my monitor < 1423447454 298953 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negatives? < 1423447490 121523 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use click2play for plugins, for example, and often the grey of that will be a flickering blue < 1423447528 83823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on the tilt of my monitor, if I tilt it back far enough, no problem < 1423447528 244651 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop screen? < 1423447531 461017 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423447593 647995 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a problem with the video cable < 1423447596 800089 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single channel weirdness sounds like an unseated connector, or the cable got pinched somewhere. < 1423447600 288123 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since movement is causing it. < 1423447621 349459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sometimes it's other colors < 1423447642 298346 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: more accurately, the current tilt affects it. If I move it into one position, the effect can be there even when I stop moving it < 1423447666 870569 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1423447670 407382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: is it likely to be the type of problem I'd need to replace the cable itself to fix, or just make it tighter or something < 1423447707 919211 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be either. < 1423447716 219629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud < 1423447734 856515 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound like a problem with the LCD, since that would usually be permanent artifacts. dead pixels and such. < 1423447803 229133 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it just the negative of the original image? < 1423447975 196364 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1423448043 691327 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :try hooking up an external monitor if you have one < 1423448061 139054 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if it has the same problem. < 1423448248 236000 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have one at home < 1423448258 984591 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do have one at work, don't think taking personal computer there good idea < 1423449060 829592 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423449168 378167 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423450265 866779 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423450889 796073 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MIROBOLANT CHICKEN < 1423451321 537230 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423451359 907033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play a mahjong game? < 1423451513 397046 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423451518 822960 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've recently learned the rules to riichi < 1423451526 966161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How recently? < 1423451531 426323 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :November < 1423451536 160104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1423451540 216577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1423451570 869118 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a program that stores your copies of text and links in the scroll and right click of a mouse < 1423451583 393019 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its broken now since firefox updated < 1423451586 872137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just curious. Have you ever seen or heard of Washizu mahjong (a variant involving teams and tiles made of glass and a few other things)? < 1423451611 930938 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423451617 168556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I am writing the rules of a Magic: the Gathering variant for combining it with mahjong. < 1423451717 272558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have tried before combining Magic: the Gathering with other games such as Monopoly and chess. < 1423451747 229296 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423452005 988575 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have heard of it, yes < 1423452012 905898 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is about all < 1423452209 655452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washizu mahjong is invented by Fukumoto and is played in Akagi manga. < 1423452323 189327 :Lilax!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423452368 229387 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423452422 166145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was invented in the manga at first but now you can actually buy Washizu mahjong tiles (I have a box of them). < 1423452632 899657 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were sold by a company in vancouver < 1423452637 413587 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik they went out of business though < 1423452773 381335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can buy Washizu tiles from Japan; I imported it from Japan, and the company that imported it for me is still in business. < 1423452933 823591 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1423452945 352176 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423452955 936483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no link it is a physical store < 1423452963 219400 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1423453782 608086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wct14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41871&oldid=41861 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+47) 10The date is not optional < 1423454037 431978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Prelude14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41872&oldid=41851 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-36) 10/* External resources */ Template < 1423454227 380920 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423454289 66389 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hullo < 1423454304 257858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heoluspher < 1423454318 979475 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423454328 482125 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets oerjan < 1423454397 396831 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423454405 279831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs a hole and buries Zefpher in it < 1423454415 982045 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1423454431 399255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a very disturbed doggie < 1423454886 882769 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvwnvzukjsthbbqx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423454917 652465 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423455185 314237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up the file in my computer that I wrote how to play Magic: the Gathering with mahjong combined together. < 1423455346 766472 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1423455351 940955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1423455371 832897 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pets zzo38 < 1423455416 254097 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION snugs elliott < 1423455419 269063 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :euh < 1423455461 798828 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423455521 834289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1423456132 733337 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423457139 141184 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aphoatiysdtowhgk JOIN :#esoteric < 1423457735 294457 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423458923 19 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1423459019 271221 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423459334 900313 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423462240 964844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423462633 868561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who have heard me sing: Do I really sound feminine enough that I would be called "ma'am" by everyone who hears me on the phone? < 1423463263 887504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know because I didn't hear you sing, and even if I did I probably wouldn't know that answer anyways. < 1423463405 389995 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423463637 18739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1423464572 936176 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423464939 362716 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423465269 34446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any *indexed* Latin-suited tarot decks? < 1423465571 678154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the Fool/Excuse labeled as zero; while I understand why this is (someone told me why, it is because the trumps represent a journey and the fool is the beginning of the journey), but its value is never zero (it is either the highest trump, or it has another purpose). I would like to leave off the index of that card and only that one. < 1423465686 868147 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aphoatiysdtowhgk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423467417 437711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Magic: the Gathering with mahjong combined together" heh < 1423467465 336661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/mahjong.var This is the rules I wrote for this game < 1423467474 782950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops sorry that is the wrong URL < 1423467485 907058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/mahjong.var < 1423467616 697896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Do you like this? < 1423467648 395365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm not a mahjong player, so I probably won't appreciate it < 1423467682 580377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to play mahjong at all? < 1423467687 898299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the basics < 1423467692 95120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all the scoring < 1423467699 571545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all the rules < 1423467745 50682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can learn. < 1423468035 105310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything like Hackage/CTAN/CPAN/whatever but for SQLite? < 1423468078 193097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno, but you can abuse CPAN to advertise any software if you just put a half-assed perl interface to it. < 1423468168 705262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advertising the software where it doesn't belong is not the point though < 1423468285 728675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whichever player is the active player in Magic: the Gathering is east < 1423468287 581395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :player for mahjong."\ < 1423468297 53945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : - is this all the time, or only at the start of the game? < 1423468322 642693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: All the time. < 1423468627 774995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you deal mahjong in each M:tG turn? < 1423468642 912120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like it's a much slower game than M:tG then < 1423468649 731285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It would slow down the game. < 1423468652 381577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it might make sense < 1423468683 596956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people invent so many hybrid sports like chess-boxing and kayak polo < 1423468814 864456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even read once someone they play chess several times, winning at chess is worth a certain value in poker chips; afterward you play poker, but instead of starting an equal number of chips you have whatever chips you won from the chess game, so whoever is better at chess game starts with an advantage in the poker game. < 1423468842 898778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The games don't interfere with each other much in this case though, but it is one thing to do if it is what you like to do. < 1423468882 251516 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423468882 412903 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423468912 525702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, the "mahjong tiles are permanents" thing is scary < 1423468939 289274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes them interact a lot < 1423469050 296792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so is this for a four player version of MtG? < 1423469091 78571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes you need to play four players < 1423469424 731669 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423469460 480075 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423469643 387926 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423469950 146820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once on Monty Python they asked "Which great opponent of Cartesian dualism resists the reduction of psychological phenomena to a physical state and insists there is no point of contact between the extended and the unextended?" What does "there is no point of contact between the extended and the unextended" mean here? < 1423469996 505660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have to mean somethign? < 1423470021 744566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I expected it to mean something. < 1423470044 449259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, some philosophers or something might know what it means < 1423470087 213029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be legitimate as Henri Bergson is mentioned and looking at Wikipedia, he is actually a philosopher. < 1423470098 13142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you want a generalized zygomorphism) < 1423470122 461455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuff in Wikipedia though is just as confusing. < 1423470141 390901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1423470451 702263 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423470846 579264 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423472663 26008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there isn't the one for SQLite then maybe I have to learn how to invent such thing. < 1423474173 84440 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423474615 579567 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423477688 612863 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423477955 357170 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423478981 996278 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Later < 1423479359 946783 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423479407 225630 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423479423 233031 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423479461 577438 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423479478 980117 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423479502 34848 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423479674 585575 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423479724 684237 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vlxwrelojfnupqya QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423479759 873535 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423479818 46137 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjrdlqhybhmwgiuw JOIN :#esoteric < 1423479918 949812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423480816 894315 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423481867 238585 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423483110 838332 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arcsynthesis.org looks like it got sprayed by a drive-by < 1423483211 616193 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should be more careful when using the gltut example code < 1423483588 586565 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: http://www.carpathos.com/ ? < 1423483612 211272 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://treasurevalleytax.com/ ??? < 1423483628 181135 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in fungot is that? < 1423483666 249370 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.truckbacker.com/ brings a new meaning to drive-by backdoors < 1423484212 947237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423484583 83639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OMNIDIRECTIONAL CHICKEN < 1423484701 33318 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423484925 62039 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423485118 840780 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423485400 971485 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423485589 224959 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423485630 237775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423485685 415033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41873&oldid=41589 5* 03193.69.211.10 5* (+2) 10/* External resources */ < 1423486815 842935 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423486993 486756 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423487300 4175 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423488596 558771 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.104 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1423489206 737797 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950309 < 1423489389 580052 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423489847 359706 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423490033 269696 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a very fractured ceramic container < 1423491207 660668 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423491218 96335 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Screams intently < 1423491265 182064 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok ill just leave our nick like this < 1423491298 169415 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423491377 222390 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta leave for skook < 1423491642 645130 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423491974 820727 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423492247 786237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Al Dente14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41874&oldid=41793 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+391) 10nitpicking < 1423492492 211116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why has no one been triggering pbflist for me :/ < 1423492509 45368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just to be sure < 1423492517 952021 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423492523 213342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1423492548 216833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not right < 1423492556 663166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion < 1423492564 469488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1423492573 256215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego you slow < 1423494033 290148 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-24-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423494128 333860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can neural networks be trained to do calculations? < 1423494137 765738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423494143 328703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1423494167 65117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be wired into logic circuits < 1423494193 137746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no training required...just create the network anually < 1423494204 837830 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a funny dropped m < 1423494236 77338 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: cf universal approximation theorem < 1423494277 934008 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423494668 446174 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1423494825 458642 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423494917 861731 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423496394 603013 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423496428 348776 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423496596 246950 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423496602 236418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423496724 240042 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423497076 849550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423497584 409965 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423497648 293168 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423498523 89332 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423500132 488324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1423500583 444239 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423500622 420267 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-yaxooaealmzihhiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1423500841 227818 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:224:a5ff:feaf:f0af JOIN :#esoteric < 1423502038 938756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there some site that let's you enable comment functionality in static webpages < 1423502043 843331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :through javascript < 1423502295 632147 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :disqus < 1423502296 574085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1423502918 642656 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjrdlqhybhmwgiuw NICK :supay_zZZ < 1423503420 93516 :supay_zZZ!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjrdlqhybhmwgiuw NICK :supay < 1423503719 194475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also at least one thing where you can scribble over arbitrary websites, and other people registered on the service can see those scribblings. < 1423503771 970958 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423503866 313689 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I've always wanted to enhance my web surfing experience with crudely drawn dicks. < 1423504659 698999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a ASCII based file format for deck lists for Magic: the Gathering and can be used with other card games too. It is designed to be: * Easy to read it manually. * Easy to write it manually. * Easy to program the computer to parse it (ignoring things it doesn't need to understand). < 1423506072 996313 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423506142 773438 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423506183 389226 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423506210 418074 :arjanb!8259ad88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423506927 906702 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423507022 268598 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423507039 561419 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423507102 991625 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423507135 500001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it your opinion that SQLite virtual table should allow the virtual table implementation to read the LIMIT and OFFSET clauses of a query in case that virtual table is accessing data over the internet it would help to have these things? < 1423507159 839934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In order to avoid wasting bandwidth by accessing all of the data even if it isn't used) < 1423507190 940948 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423507425 29022 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423508527 994429 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423508788 913377 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423508838 290933 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423508872 454593 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1423509534 462978 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1423509551 448196 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423510393 777046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have made up a few scheme cards for Magic: the Gathering, which are called "Ice Scheme", "The Ultimate Sacrifice", and "You Have To Study Too Much". < 1423510405 4155 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423510523 282054 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:224:a5ff:feaf:f0af QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423510547 546513 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:224:a5ff:feaf:f0af JOIN :#esoteric < 1423511482 905584 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423511669 61269 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423511728 459909 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423512014 530591 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423512162 310790 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423513000 427660 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423513016 744273 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423513086 834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423513545 372888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423514309 610500 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-24-72.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423514363 44963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear mozilla firefox < 1423514373 951661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE ACCEPT MY STANDARD FONT SIZE SETTINGS YOU FUCKING MORON < 1423514423 839139 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right < 1423514532 375775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1423514534 28927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1423514538 859887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set default font size to 12pt < 1423514546 731509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if a website does not specify any font size < 1423514548 732557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses 9pt < 1423516568 1755 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423516698 232436 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423516758 936417 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423517605 538260 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, in case you didn't notice, henkma struck back on sin curve < 1423518532 312548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :henkma strikes back < 1423518545 286214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this february in your local cinema :( < 1423518549 194980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also clock is back < 1423518556 685408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also in your local cinema of course) < 1423518560 182159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hungry < 1423519602 735163 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423519705 985265 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good movies this month < 1423519717 715046 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423519724 883405 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423519769 22061 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423519878 882404 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423520099 248045 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1423520397 730241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elloh < 1423520402 830226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have some food to spare? < 1423520412 726263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, actually < 1423520420 642420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're in York, want half a pizza? < 1423520512 968805 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423520530 269355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in york < 1423520531 321302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1423520539 966694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it time for an #esoteric meet-up? < 1423520570 750075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all quite geographically disparate < 1423520581 28738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's in like Turku or the West Midlands < 1423520625 862511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423520634 246281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just have to make it an educational conference < 1423520641 245312 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423520667 258747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can write it off as educational expences < 1423520672 149499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expenses < 1423520684 217322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my employer might pay for the trip ;) < 1423520707 160054 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I am not in that situation < 1423520718 199589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1423520721 245023 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then travel as a hobo < 1423520726 294241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that could work as well < 1423520738 12790 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1423521925 236616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423522030 379927 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423523085 591010 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423523197 204981 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423523569 186520 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423523605 749688 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423524262 383353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423524548 226490 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423524561 601698 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423524701 285125 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423525003 487771 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423526267 385099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Glass14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41875&oldid=32008 5* 0370.36.190.3 5* (-36) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ Fix bug by removing P.n, which referred to the nonexistent variable s, resulting in returning from P.n with 3 junk values pushed onto the stack when running the 0.12 interpreter. < 1423526388 187776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Glass14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41876&oldid=41875 5* 0370.36.190.3 5* (+8) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ Formatting < 1423526558 400784 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423526779 934601 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423526838 231138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMPRINTED CHICKEN < 1423526874 499041 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423527014 614155 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1423528357 224869 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423528604 64061 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423528764 641962 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423529277 168162 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423529986 600123 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423530735 773053 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did I make a mistake in buying Urbanite XL? < 1423531529 964172 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423532070 801737 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... do not know. < 1423532452 490236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, depends, are your ears big enough < 1423532649 852766 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very bass-y < 1423532663 40541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also choppy sound in one ear, but maybe that's a bad headphone port < 1423532726 990294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you have done a fine acquirement of a torture instrument hth < 1423532785 392513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are usb headphones really bad enough that it's worth dealing with the incredible unreliability of headphone jacks instead? < 1423532858 125270 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not realize USB headphones existed until just now. < 1423533185 949593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I was under the impression that my old headphones were just dead. Now I blame the headphone port < 1423533223 453271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the new headphone smell is addictive < 1423533347 248298 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-sthxlwftastcjmym JOIN :#esoteric < 1423533347 409404 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-sthxlwftastcjmym QUIT :Changing host < 1423533347 409504 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1423535070 103151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Al Dente14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41877&oldid=41874 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+225) 10more nitpicking < 1423535117 652263 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423535232 576042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent way too much money on these < 1423535541 938895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423537620 309474 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2c6c:79ae:936b:b070 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423537981 222369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.58.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423538448 282595 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2c6c:79ae:936b:b070 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423538557 213497 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:4cc0:60d5:a63b:a46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423538677 612952 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1423538898 254000 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:4cc0:60d5:a63b:a46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423539367 797857 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1423539653 315239 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:704e:89d6:d75:8197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423540373 237852 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:704e:89d6:d75:8197 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423540742 959215 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423540859 286827 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:5de2:1d8f:54d0:e4ff JOIN :#esoteric < 1423540860 131676 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:5de2:1d8f:54d0:e4ff QUIT :Client Quit < 1423541230 337606 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:acf7:eb50:d8ca:c5a6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423541512 337721 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htrpvkgpqjdjgvuk JOIN :#esoteric < 1423542323 171332 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:acf7:eb50:d8ca:c5a6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423542460 271125 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:547c:6e46:ad54:d348 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423543773 299536 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:547c:6e46:ad54:d348 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423543826 239426 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d0df:2da4:dfcd:9795 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423544230 670569 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423544498 216455 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d0df:2da4:dfcd:9795 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423544560 202203 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:79f0:6ea3:9d15:c58b JOIN :#esoteric < 1423545022 617511 :arjanb!8259ad88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.136 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423545048 300105 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:79f0:6ea3:9d15:c58b QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423545268 307199 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423545299 209707 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:dd81:6dd2:5134:50cb JOIN :#esoteric < 1423545748 195479 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:dd81:6dd2:5134:50cb QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423545966 89684 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423546272 492873 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423546279 482702 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya butt. < 1423546300 893504 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs some popcorn for watching Alabama < 1423546312 433111 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Football?!?! < 1423546343 609077 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Shakes pikhq < 1423546344 319971 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no. The hilarity of watching a judge in a high position actively defy a higher court's explicit orders. < 1423546348 317752 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1423546353 73012 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Then nvm < 1423546596 957596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher court? is that some football thing < 1423546636 36104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: i think you may shake elliott too hth < 1423546648 47168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can shake me < 1423546652 232449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1423546657 6036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stirred, but unshaken < 1423546669 863204 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?! < 1423546690 210380 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Shakes oerjan and elliott < 1423546703 970395 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If only. < 1423546729 106413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT < 1423546788 857713 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles < 1423546883 751161 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi esolang people < 1423546893 702949 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423546968 312763 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello my child < 1423546997 302391 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i followed naturalog in < 1423547004 761828 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought maybe we could talk about esolang stuff < 1423547007 20103 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1423547024 469179 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we consider the empty dictionary as an esolang? < 1423547117 621660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Perchance to sleep < 1423547179 819010 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it but let me captcha log it < 1423547215 847934 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a language with no terms. matches nothing. Is it a language? Is it esoteric? :-) < 1423547347 809032 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an implementation of a machine for such an empty language could only do one function, its own existence proof, I think < 1423547413 357259 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1423547418 107731 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's http://esolangs.org/wiki/Compute < 1423547431 422606 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423547431 605477 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders < 1423547435 351969 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423547482 208216 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has no required syntax but still has syntax < 1423547493 4932 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no (meaningful) semantics < 1423547500 820395 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a language with neither :-) < 1423547504 694617 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders < 1423547542 301760 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1423547558 922431 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423547589 477902 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tohught there was one, but I can't find it. < 1423547601 27422 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say someone should implement it, but... < 1423547614 47105 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Text < 1423547652 781106 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still matches anything < 1423547653 253926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.58.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else seem to answer this question: An invisible character puts a gold coin on the ground (the coin is made visible though) so that the guard will come and open the gate to pick up the gold coin. What is the correct trope page of it? (on All The Tropes, not on TV Tropes) < 1423547730 423184 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read All the Tropes at all. < 1423547734 192470 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God < 1423547743 567776 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use Compute < 1423547810 820881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.58.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't. < 1423547827 833050 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You enter a program, and get the reponse "Done." < 1423547850 172677 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1423547910 368317 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a language that makes people fall into the pits of inferno < 1423547914 378483 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahah < 1423547922 411797 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1423548152 179025 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1423548927 227879 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a lot to make a stew, A dash of crime; Some arson too~ Add some theives for the spice, Serial killers to make it nice. < 1423549176 774168 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannibalism isn't cool < 1423549195 127483 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they are criminals < 1423549286 342652 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its p. cool < 1423549523 638097 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Stares at HMC_A < 1423550074 263246 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1423550177 346716 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423550219 378878 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423550297 396406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think [S] Caliborn: Enter is muddled < 1423550505 20998 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :muddled? < 1423550576 404599 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to in the HD 201s < 1423550595 628647 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's placebo effect, I keep seeing less than positive reviews of the thing I just spent hundreds of dollars on < 1423550618 673719 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD 201s? ????? < 1423550638 162787 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headphones < 1423550641 777151 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423550653 377224 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, it's audio equipment < 1423550683 388768 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a 3500$ headphone cable, you're doing it wrong < 1423550717 565570 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares back at Zefpher  < 1423551437 238045 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog nit < 1423551791 678535 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423551904 885031 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSchool < 1423551937 492457 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423554470 943004 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423555204 710653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1423555208 165971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures are working \o/ < 1423555208 327603 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      | < 1423555208 488156 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      | < 1423555208 488289 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      |\ < 1423555208 488364 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     /| < 1423555229 565817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :addls -> (map (atom (add $0 &1)) $0) < 1423555230 692488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main -> (putstrln (show (addls #(1 2 3) 10))) < 1423555738 779432 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a cat? < 1423556097 790766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I have not seen that from myndzi before... < 1423556101 218114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a cat? < 1423556135 546524 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1423556135 863765 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      | < 1423556136 24343 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      | < 1423556136 24475 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |\ < 1423556136 24548 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     /< < 1423556139 762362 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1423556145 906883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks broken < 1423556157 739985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :- \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1423556158 125815 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |     |     ¦     | < 1423556158 286306 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |     |     |     | < 1423556158 286437 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |\    |\   ´¸¨    |\ < 1423556158 286509 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     /´\    |\    >\   /^\ < 1423556168 894661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1423556170 570390 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a tail < 1423556179 470999 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/o\o/o\o/ < 1423556181 471223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to trigger twice. note that the | body is also duplicated < 1423556190 992409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody remember the snowflake trigger? < 1423556194 715800 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ < 1423556195 94037 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |   |   | < 1423556195 254996 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |   |   | < 1423556195 255161 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     /<   |\ /| < 1423556195 255239 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |\  >\  |\ < 1423556208 507556 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, *six* limbs. < 1423556220 746655 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even cats do not have two tails < 1423556269 862461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c < 1423556270 196175 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         c.c.c < 1423556270 357047 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         c.c.c < 1423556270 357263 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          c.c < 1423556270 357337 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          c.c < 1423556281 294475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it gets triggered twice. < 1423556282 133267 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc..cc < 1423556317 208047 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: let's pretend that it generates some futuristic species of human < 1423556365 306731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the |\ /| one looks a bit like a plant. Either upside down, or a sort of root. < 1423556501 625653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o\ < 1423556501 789650 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  ¦ < 1423556501 789786 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1423556501 951361 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 ´¸¨ < 1423556501 951491 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ < 1423556529 239766 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423556931 842076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle forkIO < 1423556934 358118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent forkIO :: IO () -> IO ThreadId < 1423556934 519503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Conc.Sync forkIO :: IO () -> IO ThreadId < 1423556934 519669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Conc forkIO :: IO () -> IO ThreadId < 1423557259 596297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1423557272 132805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a supposed to use read/write MVar or Take/Put MVar? < 1423557341 574672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you want a mutex, you usually should use withMVar. < 1423557391 851526 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 NICK :MDream < 1423557450 926961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or modifyMVar[_] if you also want to modify a value inside the MVar. In contrast to take/put, this ensures proper cleanup when exceptions are received. < 1423557526 826983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: readMVar is currently changing; it used to be a takeMVar followed by putMVar, but it's becoming properly atomic with ghc 7.10. It's a slightly strange operation. < 1423557567 26733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, it is only atomic if there are no other producers for this MVar." < 1423557568 72756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423557580 855602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: right. < 1423557582 557481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want: read and write which will LOCK the mvar < 1423557586 894770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1423557587 154352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that part is being changed :P < 1423557593 313342 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two threads are doing a write < 1423557600 338608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one should succeed and the other should be blocked < 1423557643 513265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1423557646 107830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MVar can't do that? < 1423557653 650613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, putMVar will do that. readMVar, however, will unblock the other thread. < 1423557670 370616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as of ghc 7.8.3) < 1423557674 57209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but takeMVar is single-wakeup < 1423557697 278660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1423557702 667432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/NEArKvwB < 1423557740 678711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(put does putMVar, take does takeMVar) < 1423557855 123463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Right, that should work. You're using MVar as a single slot mailbox, which is precisely what putMVar/takeMVar implement. (putMVar blocks when the mailbox is full, waiting for it to become empty; takeMVar blocks if the mailbox is empty, waiting for it to be filled) < 1423557879 802834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :K. Then I can move on to implement chans :D < 1423558574 834059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/5SOeQQi0 < 1423558575 686199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1423558576 359843 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1423558813 324172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423558814 843773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's next? < 1423559283 970878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on windows this function behaves differentely < 1423559284 857697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1423559285 619514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1423559289 560739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you too :( < 1423559766 969394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1423561646 959703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423562844 328229 :furiusbutcake!4f70c90c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.112.201.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423563042 532116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41878&oldid=41849 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+36) 10/* Example programs */ < 1423563077 691806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mice in a maze14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41879&oldid=41878 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+39) 10/* Example programs */ < 1423563381 155438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41880&oldid=41741 5* 03TomPN 5* (-5) 10/* Setup */ < 1423563425 95243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41881&oldid=41880 5* 03TomPN 5* (-10) 10/* Output */ < 1423563864 501175 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423564217 25197 :furiusbutcake!4f70c90c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.112.201.12 PART :#esoteric < 1423564654 329854 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423566448 905096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41882&oldid=41865 5* 03Puzzlet Chung 5* (+26) 10revert to original Hello, world! < 1423566714 415361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "on non-Windows systems this function behaves differently" < 1423566743 498871 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is it a function < 1423567202 77423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which esolangs have important builtin rules that don't work on particular days of weeks? eg. something like "the 'my' builtin declares a lexical variable, except on Tuesdays" < 1423567549 343250 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423567830 306788 :MDream!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL < 1423567849 911637 :MDream!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not specific to weeks, but different every day. < 1423567854 107928 :MDream!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 NICK :MDude < 1423567883 544132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I guess "lazy" would be next < 1423567978 184943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: thanks < 1423568358 260958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#((lazy (add $0 $0)) (lazy (add $0 $0)) (lazy (add $0 $0))) < 1423568359 156334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1423568363 849309 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work out well < 1423568410 991510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL's full name is longer than Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1423568428 530441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download can't be shortened < 1423568583 67483 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423568696 902127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit :( < 1423568832 21151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFNHS3:SDD < 1423568930 882333 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423568951 881649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still disappointed it wasn't about a character called Real Fast Nora. < 1423569033 768171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always used to parse it ((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download, but apparently it's "really" Real Fast (Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download. < 1423569153 576047 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I parsed it as ((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: Shear) (Disaster Download). < 1423569205 823521 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess Just ((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3:) Shear Disaster Download. < 1423569556 718055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[$0,(lazy $0)] < 1423569557 612495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not lazy" < 1423569559 702127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you kidding me < 1423569562 430160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lazy in there :( < 1423569698 203601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.58.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423569754 881268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not lazy: [$0,(lazy $0)]" < 1423569755 41929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: (add 1 (lazy $0)) < 1423569756 100148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1423569761 399687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this not lazy when it is < 1423570002 282320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf < 1423570006 582004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my isLazy function must be broken < 1423570599 828372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does isLazy rely on having solved the halting problem? < 1423570818 805157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! < 1423570853 409140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it parses however you want it to parse < 1423570894 167201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I parse it (((Real Fast Nora)'s (Hair Salon 3)) (Shear (Disaster Download))) < 1423570898 314633 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1423570906 50032 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got results from exams in January < 1423570912 181397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :96% in my group theory exam < 1423570938 670936 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun ♪ < 1423570995 166859 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LEGERDEMAIN CHICKEN < 1423571159 768002 :intgr!~ftw@wikipedia/intgr PART :#esoteric < 1423571597 851975 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_in_science_fiction < 1423571631 994046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41883 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+1165) 10Created page with "Semi-quantum is an esoteric programming language invented in 2015 by an anonymous user. It allows the user to chose between "classical" programming, in a similar manner to b..." < 1423571834 623884 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423572035 240732 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423572082 884688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#({(add 1 {(add 1 1)})} {(add 1 {(add 2 2)})} {(add 1 {(add 3 3)})}) < 1423572083 874125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423572086 25862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better < 1423572130 713507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1423572222 763449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main -> (putstrln (show (map (atom (add $0 $0)) (map (atom (add 1(add $0 (lazy $0)))) #(1 2 3))))) < 1423572235 614919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> #({(add {(add 1 (add 1 1))} {(add 1 (add 1 1))})} {(add {(add 1 (add 2 2))} {(add 1 (add 2 2))})} {(add {(add 1 (add 3 3))} {(add 1 (add 3 3))})}) < 1423572273 447846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to implement a thing called "lazy" < 1423572287 709604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which rather than evaluating the stuff returns the expression "unfolded" that would evaluate to that stuff < 1423572294 361349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the above map < 1423572304 362317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually execute the "add" < 1423572392 395801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory :D < 1423572450 439352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really broken though :( < 1423572502 73980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main -> (putstrln (show (map (atom (add $0 (putstrln (show 0)))) (map (atom (add 1(add $0 (lazy $0)))) #(1 2 3))))) < 1423572506 474857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prints three times the 0 < 1423572509 238423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then returns < 1423572518 322522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#({(add {(add 1 (add 1 1))} NIL)} {(add {(add 1 (add 2 2))} NIL)} {(add {(add 1 (add 3 3))} NIL)}) < 1423572525 618107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(putstrln returns NIL) < 1423572536 127994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least the putstrln is actually executed :) < 1423572557 939299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mabye that's actually correct behaviour < 1423572571 345990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically (putstrln (show 0)) isn't wrapped into lazy < 1423572596 958059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wrap into into lazy it returns < 1423572599 713994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#({(add {(add 1 (add 1 1))} {(putstrln (show 0))})} {(add {(add 1 (add 2 2))} {(putstrln (show 0))})} {(add {(add 1 (add 3 3))} {(putstrln (show 0))})}) < 1423573312 762286 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1423573317 228621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really useful :( < 1423573642 29826 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423574062 113134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41884&oldid=41883 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+2875) 10 < 1423574100 279417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41885&oldid=41884 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+1) 10/* Input */ < 1423574117 806182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41886&oldid=41885 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+1) 10/* Output */ < 1423574225 480655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/private/100215.html < 1423574234 536486 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423574744 307317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is a good day < 1423574853 271690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1423574856 195810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1423574858 772207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do? < 1423574884 646384 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got exam results back that were better than I expected, and I signed the contract for the place I'm going to be living next year < 1423574902 967516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423575040 958709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423575157 769826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you moving to finnland? < 1423575190 666255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, now I want to know, which country gets even more esoteric people < 1423575227 609032 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH! < 1423575245 290438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too many swiss in here < 1423575262 143493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use another swiss in here < 1423575281 186447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :abr nur wänn er au richtigs dütsch chan rede logischerwiis suscht dätschts < 1423575373 95062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ? < 1423575413 400091 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just moving about 200m east < 1423575437 425986 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good < 1423575444 8860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be closer to Mekka then < 1423575629 966242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423575642 345992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't really part of my decision making process, mroman < 1423575945 278599 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423576311 754793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41887&oldid=41859 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+19) 10/* S */ < 1423576391 880563 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423576844 447938 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423577046 473141 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought of a novel approach to solving the dining philosopher's problem < 1423577056 461344 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least of illustrating it < 1423577071 630040 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy KFC instead? < 1423577084 558192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, my plan is to host a bunch of philosophers < 1423577092 98179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Establishing the conditions of the problem < 1423577193 94494 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then seeing what happens < 1423577446 244152 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423577489 694951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/4VuqbvyD < 1423577490 741654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuhuu < 1423577498 548640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tcp relaying thing ported to my lisp dialect < 1423577607 720326 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423579276 635500 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, Taneb < 1423579377 705076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome dulla < 1423579379 478523 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08dulla: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1423579410 157775 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1423579423 245995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you get here :p < 1423579459 419913 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that a lot < 1423579499 724630 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came from a roughly categorical channel < 1423579531 65905 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423579544 460458 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423579608 399805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly, eh < 1423579811 86157 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1423579827 926375 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423579860 42266 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423579874 314201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't call a FunPtr, now can I? < 1423579895 369887 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423579921 15012 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423579936 920004 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423579995 857686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle callFFI < 1423579997 767727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1423580014 605539 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 + 5 < 1423580017 574010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use some weird foreign import directive to do it < 1423580021 34654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 + 5 < 1423580022 337661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1423580032 761259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.LibFFI < 1423580033 480809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1423580044 260821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not what you want < 1423580046 963590 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1..5] < 1423580048 499265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 < 1423580059 51979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/997738/haskell-ffi-calling-funptrs first result for "call funptr haskell" < 1423580073 333752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty odd < 1423580147 309127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackage.haskell.org/package/libffi-0.1/docs/Foreign-LibFFI.html < 1423580149 368188 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423580151 519659 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- this looks nice as well < 1423580159 911822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has callFFI which takes a FunPtr < 1423580191 154136 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423580202 839223 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423580253 335910 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle zipper < 1423580253 616782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :package zipper < 1423580253 777461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :package zippers < 1423580253 777582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :package ZipperAG < 1423580264 799441 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no okeg ;_; < 1423580628 168534 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423580905 611126 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423581409 720560 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423582272 431988 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423582477 237657 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423583221 236852 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423583580 748279 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423583799 909038 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423584074 915904 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423584088 912261 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423584299 965348 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423584357 516694 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423584687 253191 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423585842 271356 :TieSchool!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1423586345 920762 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423586375 882323 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423586546 980355 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423586744 82385 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 96% nice! < 1423586796 347297 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why haven't you recieved your results already? < 1423586829 157699 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :semesters in must be on a different schedule < 1423587312 299425 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423587505 17623 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423588364 685468 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423588468 139573 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423588487 894565 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423588687 135626 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htrpvkgpqjdjgvuk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423588821 691577 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423590047 369333 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423590414 978716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41888&oldid=41800 5* 03109.243.193.241 5* (-17) 10 < 1423590523 2302 :Ebola-C!ROMA@213.180.118.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423590701 851944 :Ebola-C!ROMA@213.180.118.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I thought that esoteric means something else.. Wrong defined chan name :( < 1423590705 861796 :Ebola-C!ROMA@213.180.118.42 PART :#esoteric < 1423591573 947431 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423591628 883285 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423591774 461076 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieStudying < 1423591817 999581 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423591837 510263 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423591978 889763 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423592089 844027 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423592144 431625 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423592360 13090 :TieStudying!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieProcrastinati < 1423592365 371271 :TieProcrastinati!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieProcrastinate < 1423592395 252307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieProcrastinate: I like the procrastinati variant < 1423592406 279065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote procrasti < 1423592408 334277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1202) The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later. < 1423592413 321716 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1423592439 748855 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423592448 51941 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423592527 117458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieProcrastinate: have you seen this great essay, http://structuredprocrastination.com/ ? < 1423592630 314600 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I do that < 1423592654 966289 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes go and learn some programming stuff to procrastinate on studying for a test < 1423592667 856867 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because programming is more exciting than school < 1423592669 272728 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1423592696 11809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423593113 560875 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423593142 401713 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423593153 889267 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you cast spells? < 1423593370 259380 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423593463 750493 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423593649 251270 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423594461 796045 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423594923 226500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is more exciting than school < 1423595070 296946 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to count my arm's hair when I was at school xD < 1423595115 323970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1423595254 603553 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more exciting than school < 1423595392 857510 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true mroman < 1423595400 725738 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why procrastination is a thing < 1423595473 121352 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a pretty cool turn-based RPG on my graph calculator in school < 1423595489 697067 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because programming in TI-BASIC is still more exciting than school < 1423595516 952715 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if TI-BASIC sucks) < 1423595873 59850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm bored I do stuff like http://mroman.ch/private/100215.html < 1423595895 413051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time it's actually a sane language < 1423595917 694746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :next version will have named arguments though < 1423595949 704972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of foo -> (add $0 $0) foo x -> (add $x $x) < 1423595978 569253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1423596066 472974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe def foo(x) := (add $x $x) < 1423596111 453194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :still... most likely foo x -> (add $x $x) < 1423596199 448320 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423596267 902611 :arjanb!8259ad88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423596340 200855 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423596390 86797 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i was wondering if anyone has tried using a neural network to guide a genetic algorithm... < 1423596562 857643 :kallisti!~adam@h71.172.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423596727 280023 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423598013 623416 :TieProcrastinate!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1423598067 12533 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I also made a sane language < 1423598077 621411 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's a scripting language that can't do a whole lot < 1423598172 815437 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no file system implemented yet, mostly due to me being too lazy to make a way to make builtin functions and classes that relay actions to the interpreting language) < 1423598195 340958 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except I special cased println() and print()) < 1423598389 602593 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's written in Ruby < 1423598397 428752 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it very very very very slow < 1423598411 538501 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially recursion. Dunno what's up with that to be honest < 1423598434 372009 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just very slow, probably due to the way I handle functions < 1423598546 388535 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423598628 367769 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423598968 908462 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tzpzhklxmpwgprhv QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423599019 906390 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423599260 934703 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423599439 841272 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423599598 259332 :oren!~oren@user250-109.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423599905 420870 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423600310 909382 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423600362 370499 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423600493 932125 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423600796 2017 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1423600834 780529 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo x = (+) x x in foo 3 < 1423600836 323520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1423600862 220208 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo x = x + x in foo 3 < 1423600863 803470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1423600881 676286 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> putStr "ponos" < 1423600882 966766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1423600885 971689 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1423601208 214251 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ponos" < 1423601209 480528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ponos" < 1423601445 240487 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423601688 31930 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423601801 236986 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423602006 362067 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1423602362 912105 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponos? pain? < 1423602770 76523 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423603767 227553 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423604194 239362 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qyshraapuidzlzhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423604225 513566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423604419 755939 :kallisti!~adam@h71.172.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) f (tail f) in f < 1423604421 367460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1423604900 348650 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dorei: ponos is a memetic word for "penis" arising from the use of the circle character 〇 to censor part of a word in Japanese. < 1423605148 779510 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently a greek god of toil. < 1423605442 247841 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423605540 488524 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, i see < 1423606193 315635 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423606447 349601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423606744 628394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423606869 750127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the first time I see the word "fivegon" meaning pentagon < 1423606942 181887 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiveangle :p < 1423607208 236155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423607323 232353 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423607549 398567 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423607633 268705 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423607691 109001 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423607923 235946 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDudesBot < 1423607934 859186 :GeekDudesBot!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Changing host < 1423607935 20249 :GeekDudesBot!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1423608150 138986 :Astrologos_!~n_i_l@ppp005055068125.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423608187 941496 :GeekDudesBot!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot NICK :GeekDude < 1423608189 298560 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot QUIT :Changing host < 1423608189 459175 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423608322 939745 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp089210070217.access.hol.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423608326 396187 :Astrologos_!~n_i_l@ppp005055068125.access.hol.gr QUIT :Client Quit < 1423608347 362858 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp005055068125.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423608488 451368 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423608550 224139 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1423608637 864335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423608652 688857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/octonions/integers/integers_6.html "So, there's not as much arbitrary baloney to remember as you might think! Anyone can remember how to multiply octonions, and I'm surprised they're not taught in elementary school right after category theory." < 1423608662 65076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(John Baez's writeup) < 1423608908 203836 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423609598 263612 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423609612 706709 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of elementary school < 1423609614 909967 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it doesn't matter whether all your little arrows go counterclockwise or clockwise, as long as your consistent." < 1423609839 430589 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423611268 182013 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423611780 375458 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp005055068125.access.hol.gr QUIT : < 1423612009 246421 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423612047 763011 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423612053 532321 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Lymia < 1423612887 260464 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423613163 322298 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423613246 932155 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423613278 522612 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1423613348 258699 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423614701 255412 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423615078 320299 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423615256 301448 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423615819 75247 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423616624 228870 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking forward to Australia's entry to Eurovision this year < 1423617471 984891 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Austrialia < 1423617522 13350 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423617529 686564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes Taneb is being serious < 1423617543 941044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes < 1423617550 725711 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=australia_to_participate_in_the_2015_eurovision_song_contest < 1423617680 273748 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423617686 181575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we hope for some confused votes if both australia and austria reach the final < 1423617723 644094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is austria one of those countries who've stopped participating < 1423617758 597651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope, the final is actually _in_ austria < 1423617774 327633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely some joke potential here < 1423617887 700132 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423618035 622256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they already thought of "what if they win" < 1423618228 549343 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423618473 913548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if they hadn't I'd vote for Australia just to see them panic < 1423618489 345086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423618693 536476 :pallokolmio!vosalo@linux.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423618823 229952 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423619468 331743 :newline1!~nl@unaffiliated/newline1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423619479 966281 :newline1!~nl@unaffiliated/newline1 PART :#esoteric < 1423621078 631236 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let the = 0:11: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) (tail the) ((init . tail) $ the) in the < 1423621082 401819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1423621094 927025 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let the = 0:11: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) (tail the) ((init . tail) $ the) in take 7 the < 1423621098 725853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1423621104 976008 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nigger < 1423621167 515595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't use offensive words like that in here < 1423621184 34435 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423621207 319964 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423621258 387949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the (init . tail) $ the is not lazy enough to work with just two elements known < 1423621265 575406 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in the context of discussion of, say, the works of Mark Twain. < 1423621278 436801 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guarantee that wasn't in such a context) < 1423621309 167051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, preferably, at least not in here < 1423621330 502372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying mark twain isn't esoteric < 1423621354 26751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait misparsed < 1423621354 538996 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423621368 84333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never the twain shall meet < 1423621490 220063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: if you are going to create an infinite list, then init is redundant anyhow < 1423621512 869136 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leonardo numbers, yo < 1423621521 317752 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, durr < 1423621554 836225 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423621560 693190 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let durr 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) durr tail durr in durr < 1423621562 461636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:54: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1423621575 366138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting closer < 1423621584 592961 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let durr 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) durr (tail durr) in durr < 1423621585 928492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:56: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1423621594 976339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs work on the punctuation < 1423621620 687951 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let durr = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) durr (tail durr) in durr < 1423621622 424042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,3,5,9,15,25,41,67,109,177,287,465,753,1219,1973,3193,5167,8361,13529,21... < 1423621650 801413 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile I disconnect everwhere else < 1423621656 949864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :great success < 1423621679 299334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1423621688 559526 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall leonardo numbers are okay for heaps < 1423621798 229987 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423621880 485220 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423621985 692589 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, for smooth sort < 1423622253 605779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :game idea: mark twain clones running around in 19th century san francisco, your goal is to keep them from meeting. < 1423622265 496686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :emperor norton will be included. < 1423622371 273691 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well of course. < 1423622372 304582 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :help < 1423622373 628898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1423622377 315214 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> help < 1423622377 476319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's not a clone, it's mark twain from a parallel universe where norton _actually_ rules. < 1423622378 762668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘help’ < 1423622388 788927 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1423622397 661782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: lambdabot is not GHCi < 1423622403 633905 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : :k "Jesus" < 1423622459 235020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1423622461 867233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1423622462 28615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1423622491 579983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1423622491 740938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1423622535 289960 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more shadow of the Colossus < 1423622538 107124 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More DD < 1423623259 155482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because the Academy could not plan ahead, buildings were placed wherever they fit; they were attached to other buildings by a network of tunnels, bridges, and walkways that were rumored to have been the inspiration for a frustrated Professor Dijkstra’s famous pathfinding charm." < 1423623317 249830 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423624701 51596 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know about them zippers < 1423624855 522025 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1423624855 734712 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1423625412 823695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg does hth < 1423625724 380196 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does < 1423626239 367223 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1423626656 237641 :pallokolmio!vosalo@linux.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423626664 654882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a really.. weird spammer on reddit < 1423626687 972249 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posts images on a weird domain. Viewed from a desktop UA string, it's legitimate content, viewed from a mobile UA, it's a creepy porn ad < 1423626961 856445 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423626979 589976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i guess that was inevitable < 1423627063 334096 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423627217 959008 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423627297 493704 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423628237 830062 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfjqyqlbwwdufnre JOIN :#esoteric < 1423628963 291161 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423628979 994864 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahha < 1423628984 283276 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello~ < 1423629055 392251 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ban he < 1423629066 520376 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs dulla < 1423629068 741067 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1423629079 629486 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dullas the stab < 1423629088 218094 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dull knife < 1423629161 331714 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you say ban he? < 1423629164 550531 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!??!!? < 1423629164 712390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1423629179 235533 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!?! should make lambdabot flip out < 1423629179 404850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : should make lambdabot flip out < 1423629185 534376 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seeeeee < 1423629223 162897 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@jesus < 1423629223 360689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1423629227 48572 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1423629227 209638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1423629234 425590 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1423629234 586933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1423629242 147813 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help dice < 1423629242 308964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : @dice . Throw random dice. is of the form 3d6+2. < 1423629252 458307 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules bf < 1423629252 619158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1423629254 810836 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 3d3 < 1423629254 972176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: 1+2+2 => 5 < 1423629264 849279 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 100d20 < 1423629265 10588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: 1043 < 1423629275 894736 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d6 < 1423629276 55548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: 2 < 1423629284 609881 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reroll your destiny < 1423629447 887774 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad structures make me confuse < 1423629464 24889 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1423629555 961470 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something encapsulating computations < 1423629564 267668 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn it all < 1423629570 10719 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of them has some kind of effect < 1423629589 15781 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1423629594 467311 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe is the case of failure, Just a | Nothing, the latter being the failure < 1423629602 398859 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill just go back to making librarys for people < 1423629609 166622 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either can be more verbose, but can be used for choice < 1423629622 965137 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there is List for multiple answers < 1423629625 985568 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbose Fuck < 1423629630 973115 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :State for Mutable or Global States < 1423629631 393817 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423629659 101277 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what Reader or Writer do < 1423629677 87587 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error throws an exception, which usually fucks a lot of things < 1423629714 676236 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423629721 2759 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps does range data, which is good for probablity < 1423629739 164920 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's there's the Monte Carlo < 1423629748 444011 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reader allows for pervasive read-only state. It's the same as passing the same thing into every function < 1423629761 797495 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Writer? < 1423629776 138563 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writer is for write-only state, such as logging < 1423629783 559841 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1423629799 271866 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1423629805 395601 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423629815 95437 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Monte Carlo is so that people can do arithmetic operations on probablistic distributions < 1423629816 729636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:35: parse error on input ‘do’ < 1423629830 314271 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or distribution curves < 1423629830 475366 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either and Error are... kind of the same < 1423629832 418012 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1423629836 106656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monad is just an endomorphism in the category of bad analogies hth < 1423629838 622685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least when used as a monad < 1423629845 536337 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth? < 1423629852 109750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1423629852 998927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1423629855 25410 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk whats going on with my ban times but they exceed any actual universal date < 1423629855 780368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1423629859 510525 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackage < 1423629861 133511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1423629862 353629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1423629882 39895 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my raw meat ingots < 1423629890 683510 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.19.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423629891 875985 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1423629905 192613 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious, irc clients somehow manage multiple network connections < 1423629923 904290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait s/endomorphism/monoid/ < 1423629926 226905 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is 78e+8000000000000000000 years? < 1423629927 396158 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to deal with that in a functional purview < 1423629958 967702 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely because of a very primitive, if any, understanding of juggling state or data < 1423629976 697500 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1423629986 500721 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue of multiple handles comes up again in writing to multiple log files at once < 1423630000 861892 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm I find any language that requires a drag and drop variable type to very useful < 1423630013 440037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either x = CodensityAsk (Traced x) and I hoped they would add the corresponding MonadPlus Either instance. Shoudln't it be? < 1423630015 831408 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 NICK :MDream < 1423630034 841393 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1423630036 832415 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what is was called < 1423630039 166475 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I knew math < 1423630042 727525 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423630054 66772 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats dulla < 1423630059 507742 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me think of a visual IDE, Zefpher < 1423630072 528982 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja < 1423630079 949008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where hackage < 1423630080 110380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :, also see `revdeps' < 1423630128 583466 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but they were little tabs on a free white space and you just pulled variable strings to eachother and it made a nice big spider web of variables < 1423630149 112435 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work anymore though < 1423630155 210230 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;w; sadness < 1423630158 653453 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1423630166 775371 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Ethereum has that kind of thing already < 1423630229 665236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "hm" `mplus` Left "..." `mplus` Right 42 < 1423630231 197927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right 42 < 1423630256 210094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: isn't that the MonadPlus? < 1423630274 946250 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> infinite < 1423630276 240871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘infinite’ < 1423630276 402186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1423630276 402306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘infinity’ (imported from Data.Number.Natural), < 1423630288 701128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> infinity < 1423630290 219139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1423630295 81796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1423630300 227298 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1423630301 278686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t infinity < 1423630302 374082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural < 1423630322 382717 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets make a bot that can list out really big numbers < 1423630334 409717 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k "jesus" < 1423630335 176733 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^100 < 1423630335 482518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.TypeLits.Symbol < 1423630335 881173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's spam < 1423630351 77524 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pssht < 1423630360 427555 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said we would join it here oerjan < 1423630390 90775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "hm" <|> Left "..." < 1423630391 469767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "..." < 1423630414 327266 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but idk I'm just getting really big numbers < 1423630417 370235 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left 7 < 1423630418 855457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left 7 < 1423630420 546881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't quite the one I wanted although it might do I suppose < 1423630423 455590 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing < 1423630424 856152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1423630425 297864 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I messed up < 1423630427 867041 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Nothing < 1423630428 760686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a < 1423630434 540433 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Nothing < 1423630435 494709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe k < 1423630440 912747 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k "the" < 1423630441 372132 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ak < 1423630442 131786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.TypeLits.Symbol < 1423630444 37889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't the one achieved from CodensityAsk (Traced x) anyways < 1423630447 601543 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: 'a' < 1423630453 624834 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k 'a' < 1423630454 507762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘'’ < 1423630455 120505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you mean the thing that does mappend on the Lefts, i thought that was only Applicative? < 1423630469 489156 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k < 1423630470 440306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘<’ < 1423630478 737773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "hm" `mplus` Left "..." < 1423630480 153199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "..." < 1423630480 314784 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k [a] < 1423630481 201046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type variable ‘a’ < 1423630486 588654 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats lambdabot < 1423630489 214356 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish ok < 1423630499 709218 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "a" `mplus` Left "b" < 1423630501 200514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right "a" < 1423630507 882720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Applicative? How is that? < 1423630515 529395 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "a" `mplus` Right "b" < 1423630516 968193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right "b" < 1423630524 283976 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "a" `mplus` Left "b" < 1423630525 690143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "b" < 1423630529 32105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how Applicative would do it. < 1423630534 749568 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "a" `mplus` Right "b" < 1423630536 190006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1423630536 368506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M211300074112954360827231.show_M2113000741129543608... < 1423630536 368640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous < 1423630543 992417 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1423630558 116359 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two rights make a wrong dulla < 1423630561 145166 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't add two Rights < 1423630561 686118 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423630582 948799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that lambdabot seems to use is wrong < 1423630592 442042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't follow the laws < 1423630600 171639 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOESN"T FOLLOW THE RULES < 1423630604 966024 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423630611 217454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i meant Alternative i guess < 1423630628 92473 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "a" `mplus` left "a" < 1423630629 467655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Data.Either.Either GHC.Types.Char d’ < 1423630629 628425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ < 1423630629 628545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Data.Either.Either < 1423630633 322569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <|> is Alternative and it doesn't do it either < 1423630637 624366 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat "hora" < 1423630638 546403 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you lambdabot < 1423630639 93680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["hora","hora","hora","hora","hora","hora","hora","hora","hora","hora","hora... < 1423630642 660333 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1423630645 201405 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1423630647 914029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> empty :: Either String String < 1423630649 383024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "" < 1423630652 961889 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat . repeat $ "hora" < 1423630654 372670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "horahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahor... < 1423630655 96027 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it follow the laws?! < 1423630659 778285 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssssss < 1423630671 293807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> empty :: Either [Int] [Int] < 1423630672 729315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.Trans.Error.ErrorList GHC.Types.Int) < 1423630672 890362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘Control.Applicative.empty’ < 1423630674 714349 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat . repeat $ "hora" < 1423630676 128192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "horahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahorahor... < 1423630680 690721 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423630689 177640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "hm" <|> Left "" < 1423630690 592540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "" < 1423630695 342695 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1423630701 258135 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems right-biased < 1423630702 83055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That violates the laws it is wrong < 1423630705 294339 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1423630710 283858 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is associativity < 1423630715 675888 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got it < 1423630722 876519 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left rights < 1423630723 629520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I proved it is wrong. < 1423630726 206776 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "hm" <|> right "" < 1423630727 532801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Data.Either.Either d b0’ < 1423630727 693520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ < 1423630727 693670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Data.Either.Either < 1423630730 701234 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non < 1423630733 3547 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1423630739 396108 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«» count also¿ < 1423630750 461263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: You have to capitalize both "Left" and "Right" < 1423630759 550146 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat . repeat $ "shoah" < 1423630760 540540 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1423630761 80751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "shoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoahshoah... < 1423630762 250270 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1423630769 462588 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [a..z] < 1423630770 912990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: not an integer: a < 1423630773 818538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now can you see it is all wrong? < 1423630787 627926 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..'z'] < 1423630789 67150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" < 1423630795 339575 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['A'..'z'] < 1423630795 741589 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "hm" <|> Right "" < 1423630796 820293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" < 1423630797 123627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1423630803 560848 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1423630821 232481 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [minBound..maxBound] :: [Char] < 1423630822 821587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL\SOH\STX\ETX\EOT\ENQ\ACK\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\SO\SI\DLE\DC1\DC2\DC3\DC4\NAK\SY... < 1423630838 678198 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ 'A' ... '1'] < 1423630840 138680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘GHC.Types.Char’ < 1423630840 299724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘(c0 -> f c0) -> s -> f t’ < 1423630840 299875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Control.Lens.Type.LensLike f s t c0 c0 < 1423630840 299950 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I put that in ghci it spams me with \n < 1423630847 254509 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1423630849 237040 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1423630849 574710 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo < 1423630851 279936 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck < 1423630856 48660 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want characters < 1423630860 838583 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not control characters < 1423630873 122622 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is having a dumb < 1423630886 755367 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it freaks out in the middle of dumping ASCII 256 when I do it in ghci < 1423630891 749172 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it do that < 1423630912 823670 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't it putChar something int he Prelude's Char class < 1423630943 411383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know which law you claim it violates < 1423630948 176193 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just strings random variables out < 1423630954 606168 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1423630978 270979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Monoid law < 1423631014 399162 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the MonadPlus Laws < 1423631015 715928 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> raw :: empty < 1423631017 72189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘raw’ < 1423631025 21971 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined < 1423631026 405579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1423631028 841150 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you Watson < 1423631030 73901 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423631041 307695 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the MonadZero Laws < 1423631046 957735 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the Monad Laws < 1423631051 806591 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid < 1423631052 578470 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the Arrow "Laws" < 1423631064 232748 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I just have fun ;--; < 1423631070 691712 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many laws < 1423631102 536763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the Alternative (Either x) and MonadPlus (Either x) instances which are the same one that you would achieve for free as if it was CodensityAsk (Traced x) < 1423631120 731956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which do follow the monoid laws properly < 1423631127 279303 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw :: empty should just output empty < 1423631128 903361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the implementations? < 1423631130 652224 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya dip < 1423631136 706020 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'm just a weirdo < 1423631160 481402 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the latter < 1423631173 876325 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets elliott  < 1423631181 515309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up a proper MonadPlus IO instance but people don't use it and use the wrong one instead. < 1423631219 146572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the corresponding Alternative IO) < 1423631321 516828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: GHCi uses your locale settings as default for stdout's allowed characters < 1423631337 563423 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1423631366 54077 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I write to a txt I could see it all < 1423631440 519319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My proper instance used the rightmost nonempty error if all of them are errors, but the wrong one failed to pay attention to whether or not it is empty. < 1423631468 213201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is no requirement that mplus be a monoid operation. < 1423631483 284342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1423631488 262911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed it < 1423631500 854241 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423631525 406835 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets oerjan < 1423631528 975450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the requirement actually. < 1423631531 129513 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pap pap < 1423631571 388347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the documentation is wrong anyways; it also gives the left zero law and right zero law. Actually the right zero law is wrong (it is true of some instances, but isn't actually a general law) while the left zero law is implied by the monad laws and is therefore redundant. < 1423631591 414122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people don't believe me that it is implied by the monad laws and is therefore redundant. < 1423631671 240561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423631794 109071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: well it also uses it as default for files. you can use hSetEncoding if you want. < 1423631909 87360 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1423631951 593853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that by default ghc uses locale settings for opened text files < 1423631971 836848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can set them explicitly < 1423631980 898953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use binary mode < 1423632020 117722 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423632038 900184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mzero < 1423632039 810057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadPlus m => m a < 1423632079 793278 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mzero Just 'a' < 1423632081 183484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.MonadPlus < 1423632081 345234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((->) (a0 -> Data.Maybe.Maybe a0))) < 1423632081 345357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘Control.Monad.mzero’ < 1423632096 851054 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mzero [] < 1423632098 189086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.MonadPlus ((->) [t0])) < 1423632098 350232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘Control.Monad.mzero’ < 1423632105 986898 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423632156 204956 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d431:55d:7e8d:8668 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423632190 944809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i believe you, although i'm a bit fishy on the details, but in mzero >>= f (1) mzero cannot produce an argument for f, so it is probably irrelevant what f is (2) mzero >>= return = mzero is a monad law. i expect you can use the third law to make it more precise? < 1423632262 973687 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423632278 621092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: you seem to have some problems with the syntax... < 1423632329 678966 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the syntax < 1423632331 451395 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c: < 1423632348 314322 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423632371 114069 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a concept of willingness < 1423632376 996078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the vague impression you knew some haskell but ok < 1423632379 458394 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423632386 747772 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no concept in efficacy towards < 1423632415 719887 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say I would like to dabble < 1423632420 276626 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't < 1423632462 161011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say you are making no sense. < 1423632564 375367 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that a lot, also < 1423632591 393807 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I manage to eventually understand something? < 1423632604 917262 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need some kind of asshole to lecture me < 1423632642 597808 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about someone else saying something makes me understand < 1423632727 480900 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask oerjan < 1423632741 586425 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's an asshole sometimes and likes to lecture I think < 1423632807 55318 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Big Brother oerjan < 1423632808 879814 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nichts für ungut~ < 1423632809 647411 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c: < 1423632832 85131 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is it with all these fucking germans saying sig heil today < 1423632833 595953 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big brother oerjan XD < 1423632837 58262 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the street < 1423632841 205400 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the bathroom < 1423632841 366088 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non < 1423632843 469109 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1423632845 110783 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck < 1423632854 519305 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are saying oerjan is a loli < 1423632859 454574 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get behind that < 1423632861 396905 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means something about victory < 1423632871 913424 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulla don't spam unless you are a bot < 1423632880 575218 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call those kinds of women Sea Lions because they like to suck clam? < 1423632888 686342 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyet, Zefpher < 1423633022 106671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: i am starting to get tempted to ban you. just so you know. < 1423633035 174986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: this is your last warning btw < 1423633036 216241 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::c < 1423633099 93019 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1423633219 91170 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the wiki have a clear rule set < 1423633233 787835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to post only public domain files to esolang wiki is one thing < 1423633239 190 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are people just happening to do #esoteric into their clients < 1423633270 120513 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such grammar /I think that was correct/ < 1423633272 310883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the wiki has rules? maybe? < 1423633284 910476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have Esolang:Policy < 1423633286 152077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully people aren't generally jerks or gross to people on a wiki about esolangs < 1423633297 684676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so doing things case-by-case has worked fine so far < 1423633299 687263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_most_ of the time. < 1423633309 972559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably one of those hard "common sense" things. < 1423633348 198202 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d431:55d:7e8d:8668 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423633354 388085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really believe in common sense < 1423633378 976331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No posting any file to esolang wiki which is not public domain; regardless if it is BSD, GPL, ordinary copyright, or otherwise, those aren't public domain, therefore they are all banned. Only public domain is allowed. < 1423633415 220886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 is public domain, so that is OK. SQLite is also public domain. < 1423633529 584726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the rules for posting files on esolang wiki. < 1423633550 304841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you shouldn't post wrong and irrelevant and spam stuff) < 1423633691 770170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up any Magic: the Gathering cards or Pokemon cards? < 1423634011 418941 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423634086 814527 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait public domain < 1423634117 675793 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't I bypass that by making a private domain public for users coming directly from the esolangs wiki < 1423634125 550320 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it seem public < 1423634129 659271 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~_~ < 1423634141 114713 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in all sense is very easy < 1423634408 453133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is external you could do that < 1423634436 206905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for files posted on the wiki, no, it has to be public domain for everyone < 1423634479 200523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :public domain means free of copyright < 1423634493 12781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be clear "public domain" is a term from copyright; it means that everybody is free to use the contents on the wiki for whatever purpose they want. < 1423634709 29422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also an oversimplification because most works cannot actually be put in the public domain anymore. So instead CC0 is a perpetual, transferrable, free license, without any strings attached.) < 1423635818 71448 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net NICK :nyuszika7h < 1423636962 854148 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423637260 391863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, information density 3.0... http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/density.png < 1423637425 682341 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1423637442 571953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye sleep, hi soul < 1423637950 364857 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423637955 945141 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423638055 661946 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423638508 295217 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:7c01:37a2:aacc:81e7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423638970 270137 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423639135 908683 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423639539 270528 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:7c01:37a2:aacc:81e7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423639941 832789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Zzzoul < 1423640726 513571 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423641002 935023 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423641003 132105 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423641463 357372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423641728 222632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1423642896 497816 :kallisti!~adam@h71.172.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423643250 685934 :arjanb!8259ad88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.136 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1423647572 211359 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423648023 270220 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423648046 856879 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423648287 323405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw, I'm not sure I believe that "most". you're german, right? that's the country typically known for having a bad time with PD < 1423648299 328529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in the US/UK I think PD is relatively simple/easy < 1423648310 528069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 is a PD declaration whenever it can be, i.e. it tries to release all the rights it can < 1423648315 262353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but failing that it gives a license) < 1423648319 12336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's my memory < 1423648336 882593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AFAIU the US has gotten rid of PD recently. < 1423648353 638958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... sounds really unlikely? < 1423648354 154409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for publicly fundet research and publications < 1423648361 569818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funded < 1423648364 804994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they like stopping things automatically falling into the PD < 1423648366 641188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because $$$ < 1423648370 771534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different from explicitly releasing it < 1423648371 354904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, German) < 1423648393 601327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be *extremely* surprised if they got rid of that < 1423648398 145937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially from not hearing about it < 1423648428 481618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, specifically, donating works to the public domain. < 1423648445 87151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1423648447 218233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the automatic stuff, and not the expiry of copyright. < 1423648462 570265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very interested in a source, and a recommendation for sources to follow if I want to not miss news like that again, because right now I'm still extremely sceptical :) < 1423648471 33009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of which is really applicable to the wiki (yet?) < 1423648478 806944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and googling doesn't turn anything up < 1423648556 778262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember I'll do some research tonight. For now, I'll leave you with "The Problem" at http://creativecommons.org/about/cc0 < 1423648577 835255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I know it's tricky in many jurisdictions < 1423648588 570990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm the one who switched the wiki over to using CC0) < 1423648644 166223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I recall reading something about this being difficult in the US nowadays, but I'll try finding a source; my memory isn't the most reliable. < 1423648700 859398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1423648707 350706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious, but no obligation, heh < 1423648896 474864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately I believe it comes down to Article 14 of the Berne Convention, "The author, or after his death the persons or institutions authorized by national legislation, shall, with respect to original works of art and original manuscripts of writers and composers, enjoy the inalienable right to an interest in any sale of the work subsequent to the first transfer by the author of the work." < 1423648941 86277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, back to work... < 1423648955 269944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423649033 626479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And no, that's not the reference I'm looking for.) < 1423651387 279909 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423651455 920949 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423652020 332395 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423652046 295809 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:Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423666168 21071 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423666267 475254 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423667228 178135 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423667305 302747 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423667331 217898 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423667846 454060 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423667848 988357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 500 < 1423667850 26337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :500.00°F = 260.00°C < 1423667856 55263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 200 < 1423667856 732415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :200.00°F = 93.33°C < 1423668112 681713 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423668501 387871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423668826 246572 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 212 < 1423668827 194222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :212.00°F = 100.00°C < 1423668830 179853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 32 < 1423668831 100834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32.00°F = 0.00°C < 1423669263 192257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like a valid Fortran to C conversion to me. < 1423670250 742706 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423670281 195470 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423670386 820123 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AlPhAbEt14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41889&oldid=39837 5* 0394.176.102.31 5* (+0) 10/* Combined operations */ Simple correction to inaccuracy < 1423670449 437266 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :minidog < 1423670460 210684 :minidog!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1423670820 908511 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423670854 962798 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423670872 908855 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423671002 289525 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423671198 189827 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423671453 906877 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1423671488 721772 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423673372 799619 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423673780 649146 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423674487 429635 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfjqyqlbwwdufnre QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423674935 953372 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423675392 702236 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423675483 869975 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1423676129 354478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423676582 50915 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423677256 472061 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423677515 129117 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 NICK :^v < 1423677550 104608 :arjanb!8259ad9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423677862 761123 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-144.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423677898 892308 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PART :#esoteric < 1423687230 75108 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423687349 897859 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423688205 997985 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-peiqohgpefmluanr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423690369 644000 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1423691350 942921 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423691923 300702 :MDude!~fyrc@71.58.118.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423692192 650099 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.19.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423692249 653525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423692300 137226 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.17.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423692663 306462 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423693852 849830 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423695362 628759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423695362 862265 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423695368 513560 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1423696187 525997 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423696550 888948 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423696879 893846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423696885 237177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423696938 776140 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:224:a5ff:feaf:f0af QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1423697738 313109 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423698100 671151 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423698125 287820 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423698629 954503 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1423698868 736920 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423699238 106893 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423699254 166031 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423699298 521798 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423699421 832443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423699476 720891 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423699525 170511 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423699526 870717 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423700249 904824 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423700418 451907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wednesday's at mezzacotta are starting to get crowded < 1423700423 248316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-' < 1423700540 575538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the two new comics haven't been added to the sidebar yet < 1423700650 251967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hell(ø|œ)rjan/ < 1423700656 732233 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wednestay-'? < 1423700668 546193 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t/d/ < 1423700683 224491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has trouble with weekdays... < 1423700687 33112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a public domain JSON implemention in C called PDJSON, therefore I am making the SQLite interface for PDJSON so that you can import data from JSON into SQLite. (Currently is no export functions but is it could be added later on if someone wants to export JSON in this way.) < 1423700698 223837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *- means what's following should be removed hth < 1423700736 980135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :høily < 1423700760 313154 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. < 1423700795 996578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently høily is an existing norwegian place name < 1423700820 380388 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If PDJSON is the one I'm thinking of, that's quite a good library.; < 1423700860 462304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't, it's a good mimicry < 1423700886 278387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you used that one? < 1423700995 461707 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423701167 515353 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's at least http://www.yelp.com/biz/industriteam-%C3%B8st-tomter . not only is it a mimicry, but an authentic mimicry! < 1423701251 342238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was actually responding to pikhq but all's well that ends well < 1423701308 815247 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pikhelloq. sorry for diverting oerjan. < 1423701399 78240 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, but I've read it. :) < 1423701438 515666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used other JSON libraries? < 1423701673 272424 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423701749 65870 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparingly. < 1423702368 513397 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423703748 871896 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423703847 431426 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@24.147.92.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423703923 306511 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423704208 755403 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423704326 418107 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1423704978 928051 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1423704988 901484 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423704995 968676 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1423705170 851732 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423706224 12322 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ENDOMORPHIC CHICKEN < 1423706997 700320 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423707065 112027 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1423707119 825748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423707194 242811 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423707478 655807 :arjanb!8259ad9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423708337 25907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a bug in PDJSON that empty arrays and empty objects don't work. I will fix that now. < 1423708455 415342 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423708969 931799 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709075 84027 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423709097 902763 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709233 960133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423709238 819907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709277 265298 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709284 197404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After fixing that bug, now the SQL interface to PDJSON is working OK < 1423709334 566092 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1423709491 521902 :trnv2!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709530 906793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clash that the York JavaScript meetup group has with the York Haskell meetup group is getting annoying... < 1423709537 347637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423709537 347876 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-yaxooaealmzihhiq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423709537 508482 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhxmyqfrshyfayug QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423709537 508586 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423709537 671544 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423709579 23352 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session NICK :ocharles_ < 1423709616 833995 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709723 909488 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION screams into a megaphone < 1423709810 187552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION explodes < 1423709840 707890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you found someone who wants to go to both? < 1423709861 889212 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, also we want to use the same venue at the same time < 1423709876 351165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does have a natural solution < 1423709883 968551 :trnv2!jhj@trnsz.com NICK :trn < 1423709894 376162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that seems to be a problem < 1423709902 367340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1423709939 444232 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you talkin bout < 1423709981 363006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, somehow we both decided on "Last Thursday of the month" < 1423710002 134017 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher, York Haskell meetup group and York JavaScript meetup group < 1423710009 194643 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :York? < 1423710013 23962 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's that < 1423710019 209153 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is that < 1423710023 918458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small town on mars < 1423710031 329110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the capital of O'Wobble < 1423710042 18034 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be serious < 1423710048 115371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :York is a city in the north of England < 1423710049 149337 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have time for geography < 1423710052 825580 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1423710054 301636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where New York is named for < 1423710064 128881 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Washington state < 1423710092 94278 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill just call my aunt who lives in London for like $2000 < 1423710100 214083 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahah |_| < 1423710112 993919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought phone calls had got cheaper than that < 1423710145 159166 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restating < 1423710161 509523 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will call my aunt For a $2000 Plane ticket < 1423710168 104240 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And steal oerjans watch < 1423710175 629088 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then come back home < 1423710184 374921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO NOT MY WATCH < 1423710192 787240 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil mastermind < 1423710208 216972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have my alarm clock, i changed the battery and the ticking got so annoying i had to take it out again < 1423710223 429802 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1423710241 999161 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does York smell terrible < 1423710270 718340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1423710275 114705 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be in in heavily polluted areas my sensory issues will make my chromesthesia flip out < 1423710283 504252 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it be loud?! < 1423710284 20293 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite a small city < 1423710292 914832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there is a smell of burnt sugar < 1423710297 564684 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423710309 39139 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you life in York Taneb < 1423710314 366057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Be serious <-- just testing y'all for obscure references hth < 1423710314 711110 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a chocolate and sweets factory < 1423710395 439206 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo sho I'm coming < 1423710395 676522 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anything new in York? < 1423710403 380865 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did they export it all to New York? < 1423710424 419206 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we're making a New York Haskell Compiler < 1423710435 681602 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applause* < 1423710568 504628 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill just be in the background < 1423710571 65015 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching < 1423710591 380032 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very unsocial < 1423710591 541881 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just keep drinkin' my coffee stout. < 1423710608 909726 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are any fires /it wasn't me/ < 1423710681 849406 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-0 < 1423710693 831950 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas I try my best to be weird < 1423710710 269053 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are all old So I would very much stick out < 1423710895 182847 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, age is an illusion. < 1423710912 135818 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the beards, probably not. < 1423711020 772394 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher, I am not old < 1423711105 854578 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove it < 1423711112 459476 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proove? < 1423711115 379795 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1423711130 741032 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a scale from 1 to oerjan how old are you Taneb? < 1423711141 331172 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 29 < 1423711143 402657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :*20 < 1423711149 529161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_coffee stout_? < 1423711193 882548 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an oatmeal stout with coffee. < 1423711203 287734 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is delicious. < 1423711228 975900 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan ain't that old < 1423711231 747114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous < 1423711237 805049 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of some one older < 1423711239 992075 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is older than the stars. < 1423711244 39378 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg 29 < 1423711249 348236 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not really. < 1423711251 150476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher, that was a typo, I'm 20 < 1423711255 567757 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just profoundly tasty. < 1423711266 464447 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I can trick adults into thinking I'm an adult < 1423711270 809675 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ill tell them < 1423711280 259651 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its funny < 1423711300 739532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i mean, it's two potential addictions in one < 1423711316 463797 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1423711337 219361 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addictions?! < 1423711344 994481 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once addicted to meth < 1423711361 370813 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well I was none of the others were |_| < 1423711375 810506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to trick us into thinking you're adult again < 1423711379 964227 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1423711382 699579 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did meth < 1423711386 739417 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am ashamed < 1423711398 353179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just general trickery, check < 1423711409 916946 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trickery¿ < 1423711422 69788 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ejects oerjan into space < 1423711433 698978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hangs on to a comma < 1423711448 186578 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise against meth. < 1423711463 438273 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you have medical cause for amphetamines there's better ones. < 1423711500 544031 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To late pikhq that era is over for me < 1423711508 850487 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsk. < 1423711511 729361 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your advising my grandma < 1423711528 244881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can quit caffeine any time i want, just give me a couple weeks < 1423711557 491554 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC on the other hand. < 1423711651 912051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have misplaced my tie < 1423711683 149725 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn your house down < 1423711692 369040 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should find it < 1423711719 734079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had a good track record for not burning my house down this year < 1423711723 694597 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go give 30 moneys to my mothwr < 1423711724 210447 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to lose it < 1423711751 294088 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr Ink: http://youtu.be/K2WazFk2Cwg < 1423711904 554492 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets Taneb < 1423711911 819932 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are in college? < 1423711952 555016 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In America its technically required to go to college if you want supreme mastery over that subject < 1423712223 312193 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@24.147.92.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423712257 346472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius: ah the bears have arrived < 1423712551 449645 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1423712586 659045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :webcomic < 1423713096 739805 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423713141 665533 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423714221 394584 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck < 1423714663 226314 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :York is also the university in Toronto that my dad worksfor < 1423714738 357579 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423715497 264613 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423715520 917589 :Eolus!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Guest85091 < 1423715583 242714 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423716087 387149 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423716361 894841 :Guest85091!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Zefpher < 1423716734 66447 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "hm" <|> Left "..." < 1423716735 340033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right "hm" < 1423716741 697018 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks bby < 1423716769 496381 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals Ørjans watch < 1423716809 921962 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423717176 107244 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> | < 1423717177 271062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘|’ < 1423717199 789005 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tell me what does | stand for in haskell < 1423717214 83772 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is it bordered by greater than and less than signs < 1423717300 711027 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf < 1423717300 871970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1423717304 786841 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1423717309 289344 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idfk what that did < 1423717315 205674 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf cake < 1423717315 367194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1423717324 456608 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo lambdabot < 1423717350 852978 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Slams hands into table < 1423717367 281766 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BROKE A DATA STRUCTURE < 1423717372 729860 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry code Jesus < 1423717385 181474 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please forgive my sins < 1423717387 70896 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+.+.+. < 1423717387 231806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "#$% < 1423717395 365413 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it does < 1423717398 285227 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren pls < 1423717408 723624 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interpretsbrainfuck < 1423717419 953296 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf [++] < 1423717420 114229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1423717423 335464 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sb/s b/ < 1423717425 298708 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkkkkkkkkkkk < 1423717437 87664 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_| < 1423717443 746259 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats oren < 1423717446 986229 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks guy < 1423717746 183920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: | has several different uses, but <|> is a completely different operator - haskell doesn't have a fixed set of operators so any sequence of operator characters doesn't get split up into smaller ones. < 1423717782 486306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<|>) < 1423717783 333221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative f => f a -> f a -> f a < 1423717792 401466 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does [| ] do for stuff < 1423717806 150216 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks all of me program < 1423717820 204203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: you probably mean a list comprehension < 1423717833 223727 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423717834 494057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ x*x | x <- [1..10] ] < 1423717835 892090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100] < 1423717838 514888 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably why < 1423717861 711924 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does -> point towards different variables¿ < 1423717877 62011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always < 1423717879 237144 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it an indicator < 1423717889 744410 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan teach me the haskells < 1423717904 86313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case Just "testing" of Nothing -> "nope" ; Just something -> something < 1423717905 449795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "testing" < 1423717924 917624 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds money and offers it to oerjan < 1423717930 226294 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pliss < 1423717931 763291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work < 1423718002 136580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i don't think -> usually points to variables, but away from them (or away from a pattern) < 1423718036 234007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\ x -> x*x) 3 < 1423718037 500431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1423718069 9482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- and -> are essentially keywords < 1423718101 234220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's usually a pattern to the left of them < 1423718111 922582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a variable is the simplest kind of pattern) < 1423718138 493986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that, they're used in several different contexts < 1423718145 971614 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck < 1423718158 564978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: shocking, isn't it? < 1423718172 265411 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdg-open determined that the best way to open a text file was to start x-terminal-emulator and run vim inside it? < 1423718175 631546 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm impressed < 1423718197 892264 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t elem < 1423718198 729551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => a -> [a] -> Bool < 1423718212 58902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously, i have long since resigned to setting IE to open haskell files in vim < 1423718225 87729 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is < 1423718228 882694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the least annoying thing that works when it won't display in-browser < 1423718229 513106 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool? < 1423718235 860806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Bool < 1423718236 22268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True deriving (Eq, Ord) < 1423718247 315921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth values < 1423718249 659910 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ x | x <- "jeys hush", elem x "suej"] < 1423718251 46598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "jesus" < 1423718255 453790 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1423718266 69832 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omf < 1423718269 405487 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls dulla < 1423718288 737008 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stealing that < 1423718300 902475 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives fake money < 1423718411 174180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| is also a keyword btw < 1423718414 766736 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I hear is that one should use filters, and maps instead of list comprehensions < 1423718444 219460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: nah sometimes one is better, sometimes the other < 1423718469 146409 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you feel lazy < 1423718486 412467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (`elem` "suej") "jeys hush" < 1423718487 710505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "jesus" < 1423718518 551830 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell is list comprehension primitive or just syntactic sugar? < 1423718526 663010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic sugar < 1423718543 597504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo [ x | x <- "jeys hush", elem x "suej"] < 1423718543 758156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap (\ x -> if elem x "suej" then [x] else []) "jeys hush" < 1423718547 221171 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thought so < 1423718590 25526 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't really use filters/maps "instead" :-) < 1423718606 612921 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you get angry about the "special syntax" [] ? < 1423718637 66458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea is you can get a better point-free definition without comprehensions, when that works nicely. < 1423718652 142603 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is an idea. < 1423718653 176841 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1423718690 49435 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah I'm surprised it actually started a terminal emulator though < 1423718693 401497 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than running gvim < 1423718717 844569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1423718727 843384 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fil as = filter (`elem` as) in fil "suej" "jeys hush" < 1423718729 218360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "jesus" < 1423718732 686433 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yush < 1423718766 487904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fil = filter . flip elem in fil "suej" "jeys hush" < 1423718767 832998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "jesus" < 1423718776 657731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stretching it < 1423718796 121528 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to go implement a pointless topology using just list comprehensions simply to rile people. XD < 1423718829 558127 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see what the flip does < 1423718847 281842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intersection "jeys hush" "suej" < 1423718848 531729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘intersection’ < 1423718848 692666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1423718848 692784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘IM.intersection’ (imported from Data.IntMap), < 1423718851 852681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1423718868 521675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.List.intersection "jeys hush" "suej" < 1423718869 794547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Data.List.intersection’ < 1423718869 955355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1423718869 955494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Data.List.intersect’ (imported from Data.List), < 1423718876 561393 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a list difference operation? < 1423718880 669268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intersect "jeys hush" "suej" < 1423718882 49754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "jesus" < 1423718890 247811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, \\ < 1423718894 334530 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that's a symbol < 1423718897 634812 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1423718911 407210 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test" \\ "t" < 1423718912 800327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "est" < 1423718941 461992 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "jeys hush" \\ "y hh" < 1423718943 79159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "jesus" < 1423718975 821880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think using them on non-sets is not originally intended < 1423719028 484108 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could be used for a very crappy cipher < 1423719094 828265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually the report seems to define \\ on non-sets well enough < 1423719134 177634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersect too < 1423719208 321906 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel cheeky < 1423719351 701707 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intersect "test" "t" < 1423719353 101140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "tt" < 1423719824 524056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get angry about the "special syntax" because I believe it ought to be made as macros instead < 1423719995 920451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me never to use cloud to butt < 1423719996 286917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/TagPro/comments/2vlkzp/note_have_the_cloud_to_butt_extension_disabled/ < 1423720017 712632 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it search/replace just text nodes in HTML? < 1423720030 179482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... hmm, impossible to tell whether strings in Javascript need to be replaced < 1423720525 670406 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Javascript itself needs to be replaced hth < 1423720797 514713 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423720809 284327 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript type tables are complete shit < 1423720822 373945 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deletes javascript off the internet < 1423720934 992481 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"type tables"? < 1423721245 811930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind cupboards < 1423721397 945659 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does haskell have a type for unordered sets? Most languages don't. < 1423721502 9161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an unordered-containers library < 1423721515 568785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Data.Set < 1423721550 317984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually in the usual containers library < 1423721568 559910 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See I realized that an unordered set can be implemented to be faster than using a vector like thing < 1423721583 243296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and IntSet i think < 1423721608 419829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in my use case (bullets in a 2d game) I don't care what order they are processed in < 1423721610 623911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf those aren't unordered so much as very ordered < 1423721638 546723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1423721669 365643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't really looked at unordered-containers, but things he heard it was getting more official < 1423721672 370193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*k < 1423721682 27852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unordered-containers isn't that ordered < 1423721685 390925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashes are pretty random < 1423721685 864122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( ricocheting bullets ) < 1423721688 354364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically < 1423721688 743267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423721698 817239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my joke works for Data.Set.Set < 1423721747 45520 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the problem is C++ has no real unordered set type. std::unordered_set is actually a hash table < 1423721760 655536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: THE BEARS HAVE ARRIVED < 1423721764 777229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want from this type anyway < 1423721769 818808 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a type with three operations < 1423721804 822306 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :add(set, thing), remove(set, current_index), iterate(set,function) < 1423721825 563461 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So add doesn't add the thing in any particular place < 1423721845 133979 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iterate doesn't iterate over in any particular order < 1423721871 487560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but during iteration, i need to be able to remove the current bullet from the set < 1423721954 474175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the problem is, without a known place to find it, remove() is going to be horribly slow < 1423721966 896547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Granting_work_into_the_public_domain#Legal_basis_of_copyright_in_the_United_States seems a better source of the situation of donating works to the public domain in the US... the conclusion seems to be that it *ought* to be possible but it's hard to make an unequivocal statement to that effect. So there's a cloud of uncertainty and doubt around the topic. < 1423722000 773010 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, but ideally remove would only be callable from within an iteration < 1423722032 926379 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only callable on the current bullet < 1423722042 381999 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that can make it fast < 1423722073 300890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh-oh. do they eat metal? *risks a look at the comic* < 1423722075 958183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible. you could even use a list then. < 1423722104 282327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit early to say < 1423722111 343955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it seems friendly. Ominous. < 1423722147 841817 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1423722150 649079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect zeeta and violetta to freak out first next panel < 1423722193 692463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gloats. < 1423722198 399822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan made a typo! < 1423722210 349197 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ y | y <- "whomykissrobfistersfightpowertopick", elem y "mspiss"] < 1423722210 908935 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: 'y' | 'y' < -"_ _ _"_ _ _ elem 'y'"_ _ _"_ _ _ < 1423722211 217953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an h there, right? < 1423722215 203956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1423722222 452474 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu j bot < 1423722225 83931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not sure _where_... < 1423722227 435186 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya dip < 1423722252 280479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Zeetha. < 1423722263 821371 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to seeing you oerjan < 1423722275 142349 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is waiting to steal watch < 1423722299 464680 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ y | y <- "whomykissrobfistersfightpowertopick", elem y "mspiss"] < 1423722300 820628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "mississippi" < 1423722308 423718 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks bby < 1423722312 851950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still doesn't know what Zefpher and friends (like the one with L who shall not be named) are doing here. < 1423722336 807812 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be rude and tell you to die in a fire < 1423722344 59958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that. < 1423722352 139958 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm nice < 1423722353 668024 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here to pillage, and relish the lamentation of your women < 1423722373 190865 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wont do that to int he's a funny < 1423722382 363853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try living up to that claim. Perhaps I'd not be so nasty either? < 1423722392 406110 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude < 1423722397 209716 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm nice < 1423722399 515998 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1423722407 231452 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pouts < 1423722408 732788 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indecisive < 1423722424 902744 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more DanMachi < 1423722454 147766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure." < 1423722461 832327 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh I'm only a 16 year old with DID and ptsd and aspds < 1423722477 700318 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int e must have children by now < 1423722483 341209 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or idk how old he is < 1423722504 508825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately for my children, I don't have any :P < 1423722517 377758 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you are funny < 1423722524 247773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1423722542 421814 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill try to be Nicer than my current level < 1423722553 599317 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good an socializing with older folks < 1423722579 662830 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oerjan, what did the scouter say about his nice level? < 1423722580 168574 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say something bad about me I'm not afraid to hit a senior citizen < 1423722596 396993 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its like at 10% < 1423722647 419352 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually spew out a full front of hate and anger during febuary because its the only time I'm reminded of the incident that ruined my entire life < 1423722655 713058 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry if rude < 1423722680 8404 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Sorry if I sound like I like to burn houses down < 1423722683 292670 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1423722688 574426 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1423722698 491735 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't have enough money to do that < 1423722705 538419 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR maybe I just like cooking bacon at way to high a heat < 1423722721 734575 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ink < 1423722723 603278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i'm too tired to reverse engineer puns hth < 1423722734 598747 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go sleep < 1423722740 293914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon. < 1423722746 510004 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need your rest < 1423722791 933748 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for implying you should die in a nuclear blast cloud int-e < 1423722793 106563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: s/to/too/; no pun. < 1423722824 97302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423722832 525441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think. Maybe it's a pun submarine) < 1423722877 856716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I missed something that oren wrote. < 1423722881 892851 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-///- < 1423722951 182623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: perhaps you were looking at the wrong line. < 1423722990 140814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still it's not a pun; google suggests a quote from Dragon Ball Z < 1423723032 717661 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pukes onto the ground < 1423723089 131335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefpher: that _still_ means we can ban you until march 1 without feeling bad about it hth < 1423723128 38173 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about < 1423723149 152003 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't talk to me for awhile and I will work on my skills of friendly Ness < 1423723198 788665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Let's try that ZZZZZZZ < 1423723259 177418 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the cmd that turns msgs off for some users < 1423723261 473284 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :光る雲を突き抜けフライアウェイ < 1423723269 202054 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay squiggles < 1423723280 633229 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is it some lyrics? < 1423723285 134322 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1423723290 152535 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That third one looks like a tower < 1423723302 265218 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means claud < 1423723307 327104 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cloud < 1423723312 282944 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1423723316 29542 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ni ni oren < 1423723320 10554 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a loan version of "flying away" is not a common word, I guess) < 1423723365 753338 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese songs have lots of english in them, usually bad english < 1423723464 277790 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it usually makes sense with a back-translation < 1423723655 921053 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the song i quoted is the original opening for dragon ball < 1423723836 512742 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly the fact they don't focus on correct grammar allows the lyrics to more easily fit the tune than in western music < 1423724114 449352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423724163 684918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1423724288 966532 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this pronounciation is basically inexcusable tho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u0EEjNJNQE < 1423724806 514478 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udalzzbkkzbzzpnf JOIN :#esoteric < 1423725148 352641 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423725358 610350 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423725864 36627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the "Empty Room Psych" in All The Tropes, and remind me of some computer game I once made (I don't entirely remember and don't have it now), where there is one room that contains only text that says "THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS ROOM" (I suppose it is a bit like pages of a book that says this page is intentionally left blank). However, the text blocks the door from opening. < 1423725873 659677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't actually enter the room. < 1423726272 391597 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1423726553 934028 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423726842 533331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the SQL extension of PDJSON: http://sprunge.us/DXie Do you think the documentation is OK to you? < 1423726871 688158 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423726883 863497 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423727081 371917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang wiki says that Taktentus is "an simple language with equal". Well, just in general, it doesn't get described very well. < 1423727104 104623 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423727105 296855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also seems to lack flow-controls) < 1423727282 806086 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means all operations use the equals sign for assignment. < 1423727299 731659 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/session QUIT :Changing host < 1423727299 932155 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-oizspvzjutucgddp JOIN :#esoteric < 1423727301 667464 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1423727301 828059 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsoqgwhvvmgproeg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423727325 63258 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a language where = is move notcopy < 1423727327 914402 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks like _ is the instruction pointe. < 1423727372 165054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, if _ is the instruction pointers then that can be use for flow-controls I suppose. It doesn't make it very clear (at least in English isn't clear). < 1423727513 935387 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree on the English. < 1423727617 407798 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the source page through an auto-translator confirms my suspicion. < 1423727676 957427 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423728160 284554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: rust. < 1423729151 738397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I think there's such a language where _ is the instr pointer and can be used for flow control < 1423729178 695054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not? < 1423729179 346421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1423729249 724457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1423729254 489777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called $ < 1423729262 14276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the W language here http://www.vttoth.com/CMS/index.php/projects/49 < 1423729269 802519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is the instruction pointer and can be used for flow control < 1423730465 386600 :Zefpher!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423732395 730571 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1423732411 287738 :skarn_!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423733822 738002 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423734170 897209 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423734206 525149 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423735762 543584 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423737106 859474 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423738059 161445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo -> (bind #(0 1) #(T:function T:argument) (eval S:function S:argument)) < 1423738060 354373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main -> (putstrln (show (foo (atom (add $0 1)) 9))) < 1423738063 90911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved it this way < 1423738078 808575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind is a special function that rewrites the expression < 1423738100 871680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bind takes a list of numbers (the arguments) and a list of symbol names and an expression < 1423738117 524137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then rewrites all symbols in the expression to the corresponding param < 1423738123 425565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it rewrites to (eval $0 $1) < 1423738308 722612 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423738357 602702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423738464 243349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/cY4nDxU7 < 1423739542 60725 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423739636 93599 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423740198 838045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423740235 582137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423740238 343185 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423740445 110135 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423740916 167056 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423742399 927581 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer 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:Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423743636 817911 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: POPULATED CHICKEN < 1423743681 58560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this bind is inefficient for recursion < 1423743690 904548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rewriting is done each time < 1423743707 319745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can make a static run over binds one time so... < 1423743711 265528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a dynamic bind < 1423743722 665884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could write a checker that rewrites static binds at start-up < 1423743944 791780 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423743962 603420 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423744325 299109 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QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423746418 231603 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423746545 389446 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423746556 252171 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423746628 55064 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423746639 439681 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423747171 283845 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423748889 175178 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423749592 521269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41890&oldid=41888 5* 0346.113.205.53 5* (+31) 10/* External resources */ < 1423750062 971102 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423750698 749588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1423750704 714588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I catch every exception? < 1423750926 869204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap the enter program in a giant try < 1423750932 97628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :entire < 1423750960 225666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1423750961 802850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like < 1423750970 103467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle (\_ -> print 0) (dostuff) < 1423750971 550072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: fork-exec, do the cleanup in the parent process < 1423750971 710752 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't work < 1423750979 377118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also catch doesn't work < 1423750982 869457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try doesn't as well < 1423751014 238339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works with (\(e :: IOException) -> print 0) < 1423751018 897788 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with (\_ -> print 0) < 1423751037 49163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No instance for (Exception e0) < 1423751057 143989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other words: The code from real world haskell results in a type error for me) < 1423751116 456961 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423751162 998886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "Exception" < 1423751165 586771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expecting one more argument to ‘Exception’ Expected a type, but ‘Exception’ has kind ‘* -> Constraint’ < 1423751213 664285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1423751216 341419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SomeException might do it < 1423751262 277378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that works < 1423751376 1937 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423751891 790449 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423751995 78021 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall a blog post talking about three, four methods to do errors < 1423752004 352060 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 9000 submerged tabs though < 1423752057 225250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SomeException works fine for now < 1423752065 769747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main -> (try (putstrln (show (error))) (putstrln :(Nooooo!))) < 1423752077 816282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1423752836 890749 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423752892 385767 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423753455 832557 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423753556 387482 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423753854 236230 :oren!~oren@user248-22.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423753898 502497 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1423754488 793393 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423754525 82819 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423754742 754004 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/HaskellCEO/status/565891621406138369 < 1423755594 684727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sounds like a dick < 1423755636 937036 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423755666 859698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redstone14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41891 5* 03206.15.236.252 5* (+375) 10Created page with " Redstone is used for electronics in the game Minecraft. (see http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Redstone) Although not intended to be a programming language, a compiler is techni..." < 1423755690 402814 :oren!~oren@user248-22.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what the FUCK is with this constant talk of "purity"? I suppose "impurity" means ACTUALLY hitting our quarterly targets?!?! #FML < 1423755715 66584 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1423755785 550130 :oren!~oren@user248-22.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is hilarious in a totally unfair way < 1423756220 308492 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423756292 79840 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423756536 60033 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423756560 392031 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423756583 3929 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423756608 15629 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423756893 413686 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423757233 247733 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423757354 721849 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oren: I think its a parody account, but I've often mused on that very sentiment. XD Wondering if FP/Lisps never took off because to clueless managers it doesn't 'look like work'. < 1423757651 545295 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423758613 862348 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423758686 558590 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423758808 573034 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423758880 520271 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423759020 233570 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423759093 193039 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423759135 864071 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1423759468 350118 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423759540 107885 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423759648 273964 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423759730 546152 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423759751 181657 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423759889 699479 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qyshraapuidzlzhi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423760431 412625 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423760498 364223 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423760499 542721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ook!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41892&oldid=41107 5* 0374.73.232.36 5* (+98) 10/* External resources */ Add link for Terry Pratchett wiki < 1423761377 881945 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423761491 775436 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-peiqohgpefmluanr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423761502 981826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esme14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41893&oldid=13230 5* 0324.104.140.55 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1423761874 242255 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423762074 737386 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423762086 710505 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1423762149 941203 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This android client is weird < 1423762150 101902 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot are you here < 1423762175 429503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's still on the move < 1423762190 446210 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ein rabensack < 1423762267 740651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, unfortunately, nontrivial to get running. (At least I couldn't get the version from https://github.com/fis/fungot to do much more than loop forever. But I don't know Funge.) < 1423762286 32224 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Portraitmode is better < 1423762344 567805 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landscape the keyboard needs the whole screen < 1423762346 259503 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ping is >1.5k < 1423762370 880918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ks? < 1423762387 244065 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1500ms < 1423762414 789250 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cell phone network < 1423762415 820500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1423762416 419776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Other people have succeeded in running it. < 1423762436 499799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But you do need to start it with the loader. < 1423762445 536368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The main "fungot.b98" is not a standalone program.) < 1423762454 128816 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i m in the train < 1423762463 354854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, it's probably not worth it unless you had the models. < 1423762464 501255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I did, but it hangs trying to parse the non-existent fungot.dat file. < 1423762470 330175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1423762477 992712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :existant. < 1423762483 304837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right there in the instructions. < 1423762488 821092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It might be necessary to create the file data/fungot.dat and put ten empty lines there." < 1423762516 963721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe in robust code.) < 1423762551 708270 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write an irc client in my lisp dialect. Hm... < 1423762593 900434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for fungot, its estimated time of arrival is next week, but I don't have internet in the new place yet, so it won't be getting online. < 1423762606 500030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was quoted "10-12 business days" for that. < 1423762671 993225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I actually tried that (fungot.dat containing 10 newlines) but it still hung. < 1423762707 633112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not important. I was bored. < 1423762862 989296 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423762863 893093 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage ./testlm-disk.pl tokens.bin.foo model.bin.fii <-- actually that's a nice typo (typi?). < 1423762967 481569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do have a working language model, producing stuff like "what are you supposed to be looking for is here, i don't care to take a quick change of magnification brought them into close focus on it properly or tell how near vicinity of betelgeuse? ... guess the source...) < 1423762973 274732 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423762979 237398 :oren!~oren@user248-22.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423763298 52031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I fixed that typi. < 1423763315 233858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it probably didn't end up in the githubbed version. < 1423763350 485886 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of guessing, I consulted Google's language model. < 1423763417 810542 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: gtg < 1423763434 521486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah, "vicinity of betelgeuse" finds the right source. < 1423763764 441934 :arjanb!8259ac30@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.172.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423763868 735905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hmm. Might be things have changed since that was written. Although I thought it was correct. < 1423763943 892039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"betelgeuse"? < 1423763971 553468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1423764210 601762 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423764487 409378 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423765008 981191 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423765014 432006 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423765216 907149 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423765218 554534 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423766000 567974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423766372 862967 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423766483 765666 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423766519 511119 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423766783 340279 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423766824 390187 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423766876 212799 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423767402 467642 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423767449 585079 :oren!8e01f816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.1.248.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423767530 273903 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423767637 979099 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423767702 967755 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423767891 539440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423768032 169687 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423768081 412168 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423768127 304161 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I made paper boats then unleashed them on my uni's lake < 1423768129 114013 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423768380 730724 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423768474 959562 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423768669 667481 :oren!8e01f816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.1.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: then it was a good day! < 1423768676 968564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it was < 1423768677 258874 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423768684 848163 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423768710 176901 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423768763 317732 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have written a program which says "Socrates is eating" repeatedly! < 1423768860 493768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stasis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41894&oldid=32474 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+516) 10/* Language Overview */ < 1423768878 323132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you may have missed the point of the Dining Philosopher's probem... < 1423768894 234073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think I in fact have a buggy implementation < 1423768903 144916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with not actually knowing the language I'm implementing it in < 1423768924 639732 :oren!8e01f816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.1.248.22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423768984 748570 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423769027 584697 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423769060 589746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I really do not know Java < 1423769288 650910 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423769329 20770 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423769463 257346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I've never been there either. ) < 1423769468 346667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stasis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41895&oldid=41894 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+42) 10/* Examples */ added Hello, World < 1423769565 681950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stasis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41896&oldid=41895 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-5) 10/* Language Overview */ < 1423769585 287420 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423769741 177249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stasis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41897&oldid=41896 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+210) 10/* Hello World */ < 1423769796 2080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rottytooth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41898&oldid=41572 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-35) 10 < 1423769804 13603 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423769887 551569 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423769925 14987 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423770030 366390 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423770040 584025 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read 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1423773864 170682 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do typechecking for ifs that have differenz return types? < 1423773890 143472 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If p 5 5.0) < 1423773914 502392 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has two possible return types < 1423773922 283626 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1423773976 720549 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Foo (if p 5 5.0)) is ok if foo accepts ints and doubles < 1423773992 223426 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423774174 723937 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423774285 774407 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course nested ifs can have 2^n possible return types < 1423774345 331896 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Foo (if (foo) 5 5.0)) < 1423774394 802526 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this can be statically typechecked < 1423774445 591153 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Head (List (if p 5.0 6))) hm... < 1423774461 565811 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This as well < 1423774496 766276 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of a list is the union of all element types < 1423774587 453887 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way you can have hetero lists that typecheck statically < 1423774611 138472 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423774732 620001 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats pretty cool < 1423774773 697944 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423774779 673284 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423774818 176658 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can keep much of dynamic typing style but still have guarantees that no runtime type error can occur < 1423775234 846575 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423775255 498354 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423775308 200952 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423775389 87774 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423775746 122025 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there already a name for such typesystems? < 1423776753 45938 :mrohman!~androirc@178.197.235.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423776755 817481 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423777577 872562 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423777948 454677 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423778214 295634 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423778858 289050 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT 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1423783653 549717 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to make a dependently typed functional programming language that compiles to LLVM IR. < 1423783674 594608 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have proofs and whatnot, of course. < 1423783712 874156 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a problem I'm planning to encounter is the "C Turing-completeness problem". < 1423783737 721354 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ordinary programming practice, we usually assume that all of the following are true: < 1423783759 642117 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) By calling malloc() sufficiently many times, it is possible to create an arbitrary number of distinct pointers. < 1423783769 724248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) A pointer can be faithfully converted into an "int". < 1423783775 518441 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) There are only finitely many possible "int"s. < 1423784179 987514 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423784697 803589 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423784879 296828 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423785523 375580 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423785779 853446 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1423786362 801268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today- well, yesterday- I made some paper boats then went to the cinema < 1423786399 566185 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1423786416 104113 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to make paper boats < 1423786541 440793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making the best out of a printing error < 1423786617 337531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which led me to have about 30 sheets of paper with 4 black squares on each side < 1423786639 584955 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423787102 580479 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423787158 585739 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 eh? < 1423787748 352427 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423787886 214814 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockzombie, yes < 1423787892 953406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to print of some slides, 4 per page < 1423787894 646142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double sided < 1423787899 711775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess 8 per sheet < 1423787999 273314 :Adrop!~Adrop@69.65.47.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423788082 343579 :Adrop!~Adrop@69.65.47.125 PART :#esoteric < 1423788084 700102 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423788091 460762 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423789005 5578 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423789358 876162 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423790118 562726 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423790433 165290 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1423790433 364443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 130100Z 27012KT 8SM -SN SCT035 OVC060 M12/M16 A2989 RMK SC3SC5 SLP123 < 1423791199 57796 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1423791308 373583 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423791540 309782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1423791540 662066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 130120Z 13008KT CAVOK M04/M06 Q1014 RMK WIND 670FT 14008KT < 1423791744 193269 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. still enjoying tropical weather? < 1423791758 886921 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1423791759 48367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 23h 45m 7s ago: not much of a hello when you quit within a few seconds! < 1423791787 215553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf sorry. I had to disappear toward a pre-work shower. < 1423791787 376407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1423791854 74422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still enjoying the flu, possibly < 1423791907 994235 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. the sickness disproved? < 1423791922 46117 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's the opposite of improved? I'm seriously drawing a blank here...) < 1423791937 789684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"worsened" hth < 1423791941 724195 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1423791946 227460 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is an idiot. < 1423791951 790125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure disproved means something completely different < 1423792003 297327 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I had a long day, and my mental hamster is sprawled besides its wheel, lightly twitching. < 1423792025 346937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it epileptic spasms < 1423792033 476284 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423792048 505147 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. I'm drinking diet coke. < 1423792080 741770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drinking orange juice, might change to coke zero later < 1423792128 6136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eating < 1423792160 571534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose not having nausea is good < 1423792184 298334 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets oerjan a Coke Orange < 1423792193 960122 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Americlap < 1423792198 228541 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423792201 980210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1423792224 556269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't generally mix coke and orange in norway afaik < 1423792228 776644 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at dulla “no corrupting Scandinavians!” < 1423792252 19376 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you can put your own god damn oj in your own god damn cocaine cola < 1423792266 340695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean coke in the "americans have a different word for fizzy drinks dependent on region and time of day" sense < 1423792297 631119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe i've read there's no trace of cocaine in coke since the 1930s or thereabouts < 1423792306 37072 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become the coca cola company versus pepsi co < 1423792315 617688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pepsi is better. < 1423792318 723502 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have root beer, or dr pepper < 1423792347 879189 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless, the automated drink machines are really weird, they allow you to make your own cola flavors < 1423792358 709321 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> orange vanilla coke < 1423792360 5426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘orange’ < 1423792360 166430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘range’ (imported from Data.Ix)Not in scope: ‘vanilla’Not ... < 1423792407 226484 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1423792451 635303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not believe lambdabot yet has a vending machine attached < 1423792490 416386 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I have a goal < 1423792531 953772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously what we truly want is launchMissiles :: IO () < 1423792753 833917 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be more worried about a launchMissiles :: (). < 1423792773 14571 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to be the start of a strategy game, oerjan < 1423792779 438241 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you realy willing? < 1423792816 113417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer to that should be obvious to anyone who has been here in the channel for a while < 1423792825 345286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("heck no, far too much work") < 1423792856 459378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, that would be unsafeLaunchMissiles, which you have to construct yourself hth < 1423792895 482599 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... < 1423792901 321245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think intuitively the type should be Void rather than () < 1423792910 538646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, there won't be anything left to return. < 1423792985 502140 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not be opposed to a proc chance of the missiles simply exploding on you for being so unsafe < 1423792994 182197 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^^ < 1423793006 562273 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: those are missiles we are talking about. missiles are reliable. < 1423793081 783797 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when they are from kazahkstan < 1423793102 421829 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is uzbekistan more apropos < 1423793115 818596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :àpropostan. < 1423793140 128114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a'postrophestan < 1423793388 757530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missiles of this size, apocalypstrophestan < 1423793512 556996 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423793848 657401 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1423793868 183648 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423793895 330232 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423794030 166957 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423794082 322210 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1423794229 189037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TEXTURED CHICKEN < 1423794278 896945 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423794304 332460 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423794331 413873 :arjanb!8259ac30@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.172.48 QUIT :Quit: . < 1423794437 934845 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423794618 439830 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.88.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423794970 303056 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423795215 181610 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423797266 629875 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a problem with the definition of "turing complete", not with C, tswett... < 1423797312 889027 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, no real computer can ever be "turing complete", thus some algorithms that theoretically "work" don't actually < 1423797328 213919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs < 1423797414 448245 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423797421 954397 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are there models of computability that take the limits of physics into account? < 1423797554 736903 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear bounded automaton with tape fixed to 10^90 bits < 1423797616 628882 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: I think there are more restrictions than that. Consider the maximum speed of information propagation, and the energy supply, for example. < 1423797692 402349 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I think there is in theory a tradeoff between the size of memory and the speed of the computer. < 1423797700 876356 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0110141 < 1423797856 685656 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: cool. So there will never, even in theory, be a need for pointers longer than 90 bits. We can saefly assume that < 1423797870 265100 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, digits < 1423797903 99999 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming C) < 1423797917 644962 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 300 bits < 1423797944 84538 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. < 1423798000 958234 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423798740 987860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423802125 642386 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we have a hierarchical cache structure, and coproccessing, oren < 1423802193 938886 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423802941 228014 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423803146 461363 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423803161 361935 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423803186 542386 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423803498 583041 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Sup < 1423803551 733708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACHOO* < 1423803572 954920 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bless you < 1423803573 116181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 975 < 1423803593 105842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 975: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1423803610 228664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(courtesy of shachaf) < 1423803630 463776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it but forgot to olist < 1423803681 724103 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Olist? < 1423803696 564699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :order of the stick announcements < 1423803711 45367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist < 1423803716 126263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. < 1423803736 863981 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf is a stalker? < 1423803738 827846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you're, like, slow, tdnh < 1423803740 304374 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird < 1423803745 448046 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wrong chat < 1423803751 66802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he sent me a lambdabot message < 1423803765 978497 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of lambdabot < 1423803777 789291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1423803777 975232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. < 1423803796 501597 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1423803809 679478 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes Not a lick o' sense < 1423803878 896919 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423803879 340538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nixon often didn't hth < 1423803906 120025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinhead < 1423803906 280727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1423803917 852604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@zippy < 1423803918 13725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1423803922 109360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what was it < 1423803927 234495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1423803927 396015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1423803932 759937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list quote < 1423803932 921122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote provides: quote remember forget ghc fortune yow arr yarr keal b52s pinky brain palomer girl19 v yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw protontorpedo nixon farber < 1423803945 99473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinky < 1423803945 305122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, Brain, but me and Pippi Longstocking -- I mean, what would the children look like? < 1423803973 154359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow < 1423803973 314899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vote for ME -- I'm well-tapered, half-cocked, ill-conceived and TAX-DEFERRED! < 1423803992 261813 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vile creature of the internet begone from this sacred land of code and drama < 1423804010 294163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1423804030 410511 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I spout often words of wimsical use < 1423804055 911366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fortune < 1423804056 112785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite kind < 1423804153 349634 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1423804189 27137 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the hymen of Olivia newton John that is a big bot lib for lambdabot < 1423804276 901825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect of a bot more than a decade old < 1423804318 301452 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel young now < 1423804323 534113 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Sir < 1423804345 752249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1423804393 139385 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you btw & what do you do for program wise < 1423804403 872222 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nixon < 1423804405 173852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘nixon’ < 1423804412 381387 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> quote.nixon < 1423804413 630167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘quote’ < 1423804413 858197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1423804413 858325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘quot’ (imported from Prelude), < 1423804419 615460 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ y | y ] < 1423804420 781205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘y’ < 1423804421 11359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.y’, defined at L.hs:153:16 < 1423804421 11486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : or ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.y’, < 1423804432 584914 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't haskelled in years < 1423804434 46897 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an input set, Sketra < 1423804452 619014 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ok I gave up in fifth grade < 1423804454 76708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> is just an abbreviation for @run it doesn't have access to the other commands < 1423804455 606076 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [y|y <- "aeiou" < 1423804456 272068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1423804456 272206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘is’ < 1423804456 272281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1423804456 272354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘id’ (imported from Data.Function), < 1423804458 883774 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [y|y <- "aeiou"] < 1423804460 132044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aeiou" < 1423804489 364729 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember ten years from now oerjan you make lambdabot into an artificial intelligance < 1423804500 945634 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1423804505 585207 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHaHhahahhHahHahahh < 1423804514 283557 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sobs internally < 1423804537 166742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run text " (@nixon) " < 1423804538 509567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (@nixon) < 1423804543 703414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the syntax... < 1423804562 328146 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run text " @nixon " < 1423804563 587748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : @nixon < 1423804574 454213 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes a space < 1423804575 717827 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fk < 1423804657 774922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423804659 720005 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ y|y <- "gacen" ] < 1423804660 665321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "gacen" < 1423804662 687558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ run text " (@nixon) " < 1423804662 928109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : run text " (@nixon) " < 1423804666 872842 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1423804668 910817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run text " (@nixon) " < 1423804669 158780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (@nixon) < 1423804672 413737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1423804690 545071 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$say @Nixon < 1423804694 927284 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1423804716 49424 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad if I had a bot use lambdabot to do nefarious deeds < 1423804746 648852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty traditional actually >_> < 1423804762 643833 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol well then < 1423804766 988449 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423804776 150945 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't have a good security system? < 1423804852 273375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show test < 1423804852 924493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"test" < 1423804853 576237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its security system is really terrible < 1423804858 989212 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423804867 576303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run text @show @nixon < 1423804868 909389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : I brought myself down. I impeached myself by resigning. < 1423804870 826594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some very bad exploits that I doubt got fixed that I'm not going to tell anyone about < 1423804881 174274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @ run text . reverse $ @show @nixon < 1423804881 435229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "" < 1423804884 626988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run text . reverse $ @show @nixon < 1423804885 912008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .era yeht ,ti ecaf s'tel ,woN .seert eht fo tuo tsuj era ,yllacisab , meht ... < 1423804888 690201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1423804892 824677 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol well then < 1423804944 151703 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :them basically are just out of the trees Now lets face they are < 1423804960 100902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: lambdabot only got a proper sandbox last month after we found that security bug < 1423804962 141244 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read backwards < 1423804971 412727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well somewhat proper < 1423804987 43921 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooo a sandbox?! < 1423804990 305907 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool < 1423805000 567650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that it tried to trust haskell's type system < 1423805014 232187 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol nope < 1423805057 609484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: um you don't know what sandbox means for a bot? < 1423805063 463354 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1423805070 909316 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1423805076 805097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means putting it in a more secure environment < 1423805131 569068 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1423805141 339252 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well you may have could said that < 1423805164 661794 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend did that to our currency bot < 1423805283 667380 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prod bots are nice < 1423805331 815278 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Who is oerjan? < 1423805361 155968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sounding seriously crazy today. < 1423805394 158836 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1423805427 544332 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking a question < 1423805445 755186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a norwegian who does pretty much nothing. < 1423805451 69056 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish to know what you've done in your life As a programming < 1423805457 834433 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to war oerjan? < 1423805475 250089 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come Germany took over Norway but Sweden?! < 1423805480 732969 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not* < 1423805524 635060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden didn't have a long atlantic coastline or a stupid policy of downsizing the military (not sure about the latter) < 1423805626 917641 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are nords < 1423805631 250802 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nordic? < 1423805657 775374 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geometery confuses me oerjan < 1423805761 990578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to look at it from the right angle < 1423805824 524107 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a new today < 1423805829 163383 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-///- < 1423805838 308050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nordics are people living in northern europe. some of their ancestors were vikings. < 1423805846 670940 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouo" I heard from a friend that.. < 1423805852 908269 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are smart < 1423805883 496696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're Eolus. you should have noticed by now. < 1423805891 950629 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ofc in some fields you may not be as smart < 1423805901 396356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1423805908 133637 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eoly is best friend < 1423805922 277104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually believe that but whatever. < 1423805932 957607 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe what < 1423805955 856060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you're not the exact same person as Eolus. < 1423805969 665264 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physically < 1423805979 618642 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or legal birth name? < 1423805990 704215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically. < 1423806001 42844 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Male < 1423806010 193211 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mentally 15 persons < 1423806051 968108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1423806055 134615 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second split of third tri quarter of the Median system Sketra Split from Zetsu Female alter Mental age 17 < 1423806058 357643 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that < 1423806064 75868 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I log a lot of stuff < 1423806115 54001 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I have everyone introduce themselves like that? I assume it would be easier < 1423806176 787161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aren't going to distinguish you into personae anyhow. < 1423806178 935028 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000 newtons psi to shatter bones < 1423806225 365725 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ok just call us by the nick that is displayed and you should be spared any type of discontent and murderous anger from sprouting < 1423806268 657590 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like int-e always calling us By lilax < 1423806325 193501 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets Oerjan < 1423806331 685539 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never do that anyways < 1423806341 968640 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are good friend I guess < 1423806344 364066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost did above. < 1423806383 633572 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably would forgive since you only did it once < 1423806410 56796 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423806418 437292 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its just hhhh titles matter cuz ugh idk we just hate being called by eachothers names < 1423806431 213034 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albiet confusing just call us by our nicks < 1423806487 875317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do that, but only because i'd be doing that anyway. if you start making me want to follow rules i consider pointless, i might run out of patience myself. < 1423806504 294072 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make... LOL < 1423806519 20185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*start making me follow < 1423806527 473852 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no oerjan you don't have to follow the rules you are nice and funny < 1423806533 264665 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We forgive you < 1423806555 99122 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you remind of us our grandpa so its ok < 1423806555 817485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that kind of talk doesn't help, either. < 1423806612 949685 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you don't say anything rash in anger lol Cuz lots of us are emotionally unstable and you might never hear from me again or us for that matter < 1423806638 15150 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbmpmfkolqohkjug JOIN :#esoteric < 1423806653 534460 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423806694 308365 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaskellCEO: TOO MUCH! Just found out that these dickwads belong to some Christian denomination known as the Alonzo Church of God in Christ or some shit. < 1423806710 509196 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wair what?! < 1423806730 268488 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :domination < 1423806744 866866 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke about the famous mathematician Alonzo Church < 1423806762 697188 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423806777 345520 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's RGB for pink? < 1423806794 61430 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roy Gee Biv? < 1423806859 452650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 192 203 pink < 1423806865 909264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to X11 < 1423806910 662365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/usr/share/X11/rgb.txt) < 1423806913 969716 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1423806943 748049 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1423806951 62956 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1423806960 584912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: Red Green Blue < 1423806980 944440 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm colour blind to Blue and Green < 1423806986 579465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :color numbers for a monitor < 1423807003 717883 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai < 1423807018 817854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably somewhat randomly assigned < 1423807024 99304 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thas cool I haven't coded since 10th grade < 1423807026 946835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the names) < 1423807045 385922 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhh < 1423807048 27905 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go with "deep pink" 255 20 147, for the color of bad links, and "Purple" 160 32 240 for the good links < 1423807070 190961 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see what you are doing < 1423807098 348422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this all probably depends on monitor calibration and stuff, something i only know the vaguest part about < 1423807118 269140 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423807124 185599 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: writing a primitive hypertext browser for my game < 1423807517 464583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1423807884 355883 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: you know < 1423808024 228101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm iirc today's freefall seems to miss the direct order the mayor's assistant gave... < 1423808180 208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2200/fc02155.htm < 1423808930 667159 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do? < 1423809872 270581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACHOO* < 1423812507 761429 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/03/18/a-regular-expression-to-check-for-prime-numbers/ < 1423812719 265331 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423812764 326285 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423812948 303182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1423813495 908921 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.monohaskell.com&oq=cache%3Awww.monohaskell.com&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.1240j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 < 1423813668 617720 :Sketra!~Eolus@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423814083 876531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :What is the land-speed velocity of a migrating fungot? | The many faces of Lilax | ZFC is a ChuChu rocket. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1423814275 54738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, early GG comic today. < 1423814610 82323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah I guess collateral damage is no fun if you're it. http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2015-02-13 < 1423815187 81387 :spupuser!~root@115.99.0.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423815344 413911 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo it't working < 1423815821 772001 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/8upxjp4rz/ < 1423816061 605648 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it detected that the "element" link's file exists and made that link blue < 1423816229 53480 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to reinvent web forms < 1423816388 64031 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ttml14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41901&oldid=41860 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+24) 10update spec to include hyperlinks < 1423816688 201095 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbmpmfkolqohkjug QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423817510 850798 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423817580 454260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :What is the land-speed velocity of a migrating fungot? | ZFC is a ChuChu rocket. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1423817595 609621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can you stop being a dick to 16 year olds, it's getting really old < 1423817735 564732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most ridiculous feud in this place since whenever I cared enough to feud with people < 1423818558 763019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: do you pick a new terminal font for every sreenshot < 1423818566 9785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is actually cute though < 1423818625 850565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*screenshot < 1423818940 158225 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423819589 284723 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, not every screenshot, but I do acquire new terminal fonts every week or so < 1423819616 568410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He strokes (pets? pats?) me the wrong way, it's hard not to bite. < 1423819632 16558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But You're right. < 1423819727 602678 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423819892 652707 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423820844 935607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423820950 250360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423820968 935279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423821740 862033 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423823027 294026 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wife made me new jewelry: https://twitter.com/J_Arcane/status/566173919770869760 < 1423824029 866457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423825052 810552 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423825079 167324 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423826307 534777 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423826735 267820 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423827184 186890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: computer is malfunctioning < 1423828019 237332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423828023 282755 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.88.213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423828773 766315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423828787 655637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423828796 130763 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1423829057 43484 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1423829057 273441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1423829499 624049 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423829704 860730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423829710 570983 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CARBONATED CHICKEN < 1423829762 655344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can you find law texts of us laws? < 1423829763 939637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1423829768 616245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on cities? < 1423829774 460572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely some cities have some weird laws < 1423829783 992241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody seems to have an actual source < 1423829885 285743 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423829886 255061 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The libraries of those cities, perhaps. < 1423829897 597062 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So weird question: does immutability simplify the prospect of building a compiler for a dynamically typed language? < 1423829950 825614 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you no longer need to convert the program to SSA. < 1423830194 199430 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Compilers for imperative languages like gcc already use immutable IRs, so the passes after that wouldn't really change.) < 1423830349 129526 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm trying to figure out what kind of hypercomputer you'd need to do the Henkin construction. < 1423830416 671029 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define a level-1 hypercomputer as a Turing machine attached to a halting oracle for Turing machines. < 1423830431 459260 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yeah, that was my thought; the risk of a name changing in type gets smaller if it can't change (local override notwithstanding, and potentially workaroundable). Polymorphic functions seem like they could still be stickier, but maybe not so much? < 1423830442 998393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so... no online :( < 1423830459 432217 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really do SICP, and look into the source code of Bones. < 1423830525 970076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So our L1H starts with a consistent theory, such as ZFC (assuming ZFC is consistent). It then enumerates every statement in the language; whenever it gets to a statement consistent with the theory so far, it adds it to the theory. < 1423830540 368449 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can check if a statement is consistent with the theory or not by seeing if a Turing machine halts. < 1423830545 939933 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's stage 1. < 1423830607 738232 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the way I just said it, stage 1 will go on forever, meaning we'll never start on stage 2. Aye? < 1423830614 538805 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a hundred counties in Kansas, which is probably about as regressive as america gets, and each of them can enact strange ordinances. I don't think there's a good chance you will find them all online (especially any recently-passed ones). < 1423830642 991735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: damn :( < 1423830662 196749 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :State-wide laws should be available though (google suggests http://www.usa.gov/Topics/Reference-Shelf/Laws.shtml) < 1423830773 223336 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423830779 500957 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be wrong... https://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=14166 < 1423830797 642717 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, stage 2 begins by adding a constant to the language for every "there exists" statement we added in stage 1. < 1423830817 510710 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we add a statement saying that the constant is an example of the "there exists" statement. < 1423830842 989913 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we do the same thing we did in stage 1, enumerating all the statements and adding the consistent ones. < 1423830877 349454 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now how do you check if a statement is consistent with all the previously added statements? < 1423830879 80910 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: in a unityped language, all functions (or perhaps no functions?) can essentially be polymorphic < 1423830943 396715 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, whether "local variables" (if your language has them) are immutable is mostly immaterial because of SSA transform. < 1423830945 61249 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Hmm. That makes me think of the Write Yourself a Scheme implementation; where there's a union type of 'LispValue' that can be either of number, symbol, etc. < 1423830974 200643 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your compiler goes to the trouble of SSA transform for performance, that is < 1423831127 158776 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that involves checking if an L1H halts, meaning you need an L2H. And stage 3 will require an L3H, and so on. < 1423831183 700063 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In functional language compilers, such as those for Scheme, ML and Haskell, continuation-passing style (CPS) is generally used where one might expect to find SSA in a compiler for Fortran or C. SSA is formally equivalent to a well-behaved subset of CPS (excluding non-local control flow, which does not occur when CPS is used as intermediate representation), so optimizations and transformations for < 1423831185 211284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mulated in terms of one immediately apply to the other." Hm. < 1423831210 756432 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you've done all the infinitely many stages, your model is just the set of all constants. < 1423831214 548441 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great discussion, everyone. < 1423831280 297671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a countable model? < 1423831347 900940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1423832051 50739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need an oracle for that construction, though < 1423832069 746708 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just test all statements in parallel in stage 1, and accumulate the ones proven to be consistent < 1423832085 183819 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you find any existentially quantified ones, thread them through stage 2, etc. < 1423832185 641034 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will eventually give you every (finitely provably) consistent finite statement < 1423833452 296278 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423833756 637020 :graSP!~graSP@ec2-52-0-173-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423834049 727294 :graSP!~graSP@ec2-52-0-173-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1423834080 220617 :graSP!~graSP@ec2-52-0-173-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423834083 787710 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1423834111 416429 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1423834947 206411 :sorch!~sorch@unaffiliated/theholder JOIN :#esoteric < 1423835143 599427 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423835244 460423 :sorch!~sorch@unaffiliated/theholder QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1423835374 236236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423835388 861821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423835573 308899 :graSP!~graSP@ec2-52-0-173-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423836389 660604 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423837189 572046 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423837866 857047 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423838406 10071 :Guest50274!~kira@89.128.156.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423839267 969926 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423839436 698019 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1423840287 30475 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423840455 239194 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423840765 741034 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423840877 649179 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423840968 866355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423840983 756627 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1423841335 487976 :spupuser!~root@115.99.0.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423841564 295804 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423842584 181972 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423843117 346460 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet J_Arcane What is SSA if it's a "well-behaved" CPS? < 1423843199 35293 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is an oracle? < 1423843202 515115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here capable of getting paywalled papers and doesn't have the morals to prevent sharing it afterwards < 1423843218 879154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, thanks ais523, I thought of you too < 1423843317 406930 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423844037 296716 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do it < 1423844047 991946 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UofT library has a lot < 1423844071 592462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I just mean like online ACM paywall kinda things < 1423844074 683733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean a digital library < 1423844159 608317 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423844230 809140 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morals? Perhaps "legals" is a better term. < 1423844260 695305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this spell checker agrees < 1423844264 68194 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn legals < 1423844265 503845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "legals". < 1423844295 895648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1423844300 147882 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajatqsmnwwznjwxn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423844307 509224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant more "doesn't have a moral system s.t. ..." < 1423844371 787961 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaotic Good FTW < 1423844390 240004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Natural Deduction and Weak Normalization for Full Linear Logic", anyway. < 1423844429 567779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jigpal.oxfordjournals.org/content/12/6/601.abstract < 1423844518 372698 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I find often googling the title works < 1423844598 737314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tried that :/ < 1423844622 758521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any interesting concurrency esolangs? < 1423844647 241660 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423844662 803146 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All of them" < 1423844730 228257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it < 1423844748 902771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits anxiously in the get-away car < 1423844761 544222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances around for cops < 1423844904 414570 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION arrests elliott < 1423844987 105474 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you rate π-calculus as 1) interesting 2) esolang < 1423845118 826235 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423845253 610436 :Guest50274!~kira@89.128.156.146 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423845378 143972 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not familiar with it, Jafet < 1423845418 30241 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brings elliott to the combination sex dungeon and creamery < 1423845477 503996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... what kind of cream are we talking here < 1423845488 442928 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423845518 623747 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice cream < 1423845610 617239 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of researchers are, but it's fairly safe to rate them as esoteric < 1423845719 235940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1423845800 125178 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ziim looks interesting < 1423846317 636479 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423847050 244365 :oren!~oren@user246-86.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423848090 53700 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDudesBopt < 1423848091 910846 :GeekDudesBopt!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDudesBot < 1423848109 582885 :GeekDudesBot!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1423848186 521567 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Changing host < 1423848186 682224 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1423848211 282651 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot NICK :GeekDudesBot < 1423848747 353321 :GeekDudesBot!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot NICK :GeekDude < 1423848759 451677 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot QUIT :Changing host < 1423848759 612306 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423849828 870258 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423849900 872192 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423850016 271340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423850177 850332 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1423850194 553962 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423850298 231410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1423850365 860063 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423850542 686506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423850556 208488 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1423851488 404906 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajatqsmnwwznjwxn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423853916 336402 :arjanb!8259adb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423854323 204513 :oren!~oren@user246-86.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423854363 575209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423854623 420185 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1423854726 315496 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1423854925 187150 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let herpes = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a + b + 1) herpes (tail herpes) in herpes < 1423854926 550303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,3,5,9,15,25,41,67,109,177,287,465,753,1219,1973,3193,5167,8361,13529,21... < 1423854944 170207 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let herpes = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a + b + 1) herpes (tail herpes) in take 8 herpes < 1423854945 506011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,3,5,9,15,25,41] < 1423854968 206155 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intersperse < 1423854969 29111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] -> [a] < 1423855000 232616 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let herpes = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a + b + 1) herpes (tail herpes) in intersperse ' ' . (take 8) $ herpes < 1423855001 579225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char) < 1423855001 739962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘herpes’ < 1423855021 514730 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let herpes = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a + b + 1) herpes (tail herpes) in intersperse ' ' . map show . (take 8) $ herpes < 1423855023 188867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ with ‘GHC.Types.Char’ < 1423855023 349492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a0 -> GHC.Types.Char < 1423855023 349622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: a0 -> GHC.Base.String < 1423855036 569469 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let herpes = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a + b + 1) herpes (tail herpes) in intersperse " " . map show . (take 8) $ herpes < 1423855037 937982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1"," ","1"," ","3"," ","5"," ","9"," ","15"," ","25"," ","41"] < 1423855040 974187 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423855047 667511 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let herpes = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a + b + 1) herpes (tail herpes) in unwords . intersperse " " . map show . (take 8) $ herpes < 1423855049 110296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 1 3 5 9 15 25 41" < 1423855130 302220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1423855150 870882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423855161 406835 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the ratios approach phi? < 1423855161 668289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423855207 314793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it print more terms < 1423855310 919049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423855323 226499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423855466 199738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: of course they do. it's just 2*F_n - 1 [with n counting from 1] < 1423855534 738202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uhm and using F_n to denote Fibonacci numbers) < 1423855592 396417 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia they are leonardo numbers < 1423855608 85983 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be described in terms of that, afaik < 1423855650 438875 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you can compile it yourself on compile online, quintopia < 1423855666 32184 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rextester.com/BQA14775 < 1423855769 855972 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's L(n)=2F(n+1)-1, /wikipedia int-e < 1423855865 167249 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane what is an orcale in that talk you have about SSA and CPS? < 1423855871 571110 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :had* < 1423855871 731868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423855886 203254 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1423856008 778511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured it would but wasnt sure if the +1 would throw it off somehow < 1423856029 487035 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. Rust 1.0 by May, and beta end of next month. < 1423856035 988347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know fibonacci's first name is actually leonardo, confusing that < 1423856050 63626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you prove the ratio approaches phi in the limit < 1423856061 508586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: so what. the code doesn't really indicate whether the first index is 0 or 1. < 1423856115 712407 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a zero in it, but to reuse the lazy list construction of the fibb numbers, I had to start at 1:1 < 1423856152 958470 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1423856155 33570 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the looks of it L(0)=1 < 1423856166 413512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: *oracle < 1423856183 790826 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoop < 1423856191 686285 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, Oracle* J_Arcane < 1423856226 671315 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno what you mean. There were a couple convos going at once though, perhaps there's some confusion there? < 1423856295 937825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can absorb the +1 into the terms instead. < 1423856314 216642 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, something about hypercomputers, and oracles resolving or optimising SSA's or halting problems < 1423856351 82332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a + b + 1) + 1 = (a + 1) + (b + 1) < 1423856404 636314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have the usual fibonacci recursion < 1423856410 747728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*recurrence < 1423856417 892300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i aint seeing it < 1423856475 371155 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: ahh, yeah, no someone was working on a proof of ... something. I was just talking about immutability and compiling. < 1423856483 785488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, take your sequence fulfilling a_n = a_(n-1) + a_(n-2) + 1 and define b_n = a_n + 1 < 1423856524 967043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay i see it now < 1423856541 57422 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oracles are? < 1423856545 704878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise < 1423856553 420904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mysterious < 1423856578 51893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: an oracle is an extra instruction you add to your turing machine / whatever which does something arbitrary you decide on. < 1423856596 3466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, testing whether an ordinary turing machine halts < 1423856596 860368 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more or less external or side influence < 1423856601 319398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423856608 429314 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1423856622 531405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, a lot of the theory works the same if you add an oracle to things < 1423856630 732413 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Buterin wasn't pulling Oracle out his ass when talking about news tickers < 1423856656 86901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, instead of not being able to decide halting problem for ordinary TMs, you're now unable to decide it for a TM with your oracle < 1423856757 935273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought of adding a oracle operation into a sequent calculus, where |- Oracle X is an axiom if and only if |- X is not a theorem of the system (even if it cannot be proven that it isn't a theorem). < 1423856759 130046 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can exit a loop? < 1423856841 705933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can detect an infinite loop < 1423856865 689266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: Well, the oracles are often hypothetical. The one that solves the halting problem cannot, as far as we know, exist. (It would require computing power that goes beyond Turing machines, which goes against the Church-Turing thesis) < 1423856929 875845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Banana_Scheme which is an esolang applying this to scheme < 1423856961 909447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not all oracles are hypothetical. It's interesting to think of polynomial time algorithms that can query oracles that solve (at least conjecturally) harder problems like satisfiability of boolean formulas) < 1423856992 9117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just as an example) < 1423857004 669418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big part of why the P = NP problem is so hard is that the answer to it can change if you add an oracle. < 1423857006 569354 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423857038 869190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that many of the easy methods for proving complexity results simply cannot work for it < 1423857077 241205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that oracle circular? < 1423857089 666758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: How does that mean? < 1423857137 58042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does the system in "not a theorem of the system" refer to the system with those axioms? < 1423857146 986338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: (produced by the oracle) < 1423857176 990878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I would think so. Maybe there might be some systems where this doesn't work although I expect it to work in most cases. < 1423857265 565484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, actually, what good is such an axiom schema? Knowing Oracle X doesn't tell you much. < 1423857317 98014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know the answer of that question. < 1423857476 265661 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an oracle of x? < 1423857568 587216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although |- Oracle Oracle X would indicate that |- X is a theorem, I think. < 1423857606 284936 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go intuintionistic on it < 1423857611 674701 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is better than not not x < 1423857999 546632 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423858085 964895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tricky. it almost fails if the theory is inconsistent, but then X is a theorem anyway... < 1423858112 197032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :classically, at least. < 1423858449 895039 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp141255067004.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423858648 13785 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1423858887 664565 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I've been on board with this for years: http://www.stopusinglinkedin.com/ < 1423859122 168629 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp141255067004.access.hol.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop using web 2.0 xD < 1423859128 366512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With these changes in place, developers can no longer build tools that allow you to better leverage your own professional connections." ... err, right, sure. < 1423859162 433664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linkedin prevents *US* from earning money with your data." ... cry me a river, baby. < 1423859231 153771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I agree with the idea of not using LinkedIn, but these are the wrong reasons.) < 1423859234 404973 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, the latest complaint is not the most compelling. < 1423859250 259022 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part where it's little more than a spam pyramid is the bigger one for me. < 1423859477 709780 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423859573 247982 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423859716 430549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423859730 260384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423859813 981345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok guys < 1423859822 67415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dawn machine: yea or nay? < 1423859874 344919 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnxpcpdvcmbztzxs JOIN :#esoteric < 1423859905 373338 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnxpcpdvcmbztzxs QUIT :Client Quit < 1423860140 221728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :??! < 1423860151 913556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late, i already decided < 1423860269 941379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dream machine: yea :-P < 1423860442 380929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell the people that made PDJSON that I fixed the bug in it. < 1423860704 937860 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423860719 876270 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Changing host < 1423860720 37048 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1423860765 503586 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot QUIT :Changing host < 1423860765 664410 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423861107 699796 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423861141 673638 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423861409 245088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1423861452 78819 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1423861889 200523 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423862578 768322 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423862621 582135 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423862675 636749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423862687 503006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423862850 62191 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I'm aheadof the game, I never started using Linkedin. < 1423862869 295895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I < 1423862890 594656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1423862897 506463 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423862947 514642 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1423865626 634634 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423865644 95949 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423865906 642237 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423865908 93792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423865910 404328 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1423865910 565200 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423866651 610174 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423866962 84610 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423867147 479452 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423867625 312260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a format that can be used in a HTML comment inside of a HTML form, which can be used to make the form to work with interactive command-line interfaces; for example this can be used to login to OpenID servers which support it. An example can be: < 1423867677 488833 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1423867684 23751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The client would need to parse the form method and action too, as well as any hidden fields in the form) < 1423867740 374315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be used for example now you can login to stuff other than webpages using OpenID too. < 1423867777 441423 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1423867792 977964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming there is a reason you still want to use OpenID for this) < 1423868512 299671 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1423868525 477370 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: one of the tricks with this channel is, there doesn't really have to be a reason < 1423868579 285813 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, everyone, eso question that came up in another channel: what's the minimum number of transistors needed to have a functioning CPU, assuming you don't care about performance? < 1423868587 283275 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a Turing tarpit but with transistors < 1423868610 53798 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have to assume that there's some sort of external memory for this to work, but presumably we can rig the details as appropriate (e.g. by use of a magnetic tape drive) < 1423868611 171648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know too the answer. Perhaps might TOGA computer do it? < 1423868660 94443 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got to be some sort of simple Turing machine, hasn't it? you don't want to waste transistors storing addresses < 1423868662 689674 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you want *all* the consistent statements, not just the provably consistent ones. < 1423868672 165202 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (2,3) machine doesn't count because it requires an infinite initialization < 1423868721 145714 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also, Al Dente is totally an interesting concurrency esolang. < 1423868743 665580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "Al Dente" esolang too < 1423868754 157421 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no flow control. Stuff just spontaneously happens. < 1423868755 778093 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about My Unreliable Past? that's a concurrency esolang really, even though it doesn't look like one < 1423868772 70115 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think anyone's guessed the original inspiration for that one yet) < 1423868829 725474 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the CPU, bitwise cyclic tag might be the winner. < 1423868850 426463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now write out all of the transistors of it please < 1423868913 655270 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm I don't feel like it. < 1423868941 916898 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: BCU requires /two/ queues < 1423868957 450026 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even one is going to be awkward to attach to a CPU < 1423868966 973014 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't just sell unlimited-size queues < 1423869029 148548 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423869154 288245 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423869189 330209 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423869218 988784 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't sell unlimited-size RAM, either. < 1423869244 313559 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1423869248 216580 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you need the tape drive < 1423869259 25245 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say each queue has four pins. Input, output, enqueue, dequeue. < 1423869266 546469 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can add more tape when you run out, without needing an infinite number of address bits < 1423869273 713535 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, I'll buy that < 1423869279 616818 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, plus two power pins < 1423869282 627368 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those don't need transistors < 1423869291 197174 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1423869302 857445 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if we assume our infinite queues are self-powering, they still need power pins to know what logic levels to use < 1423869303 789541 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the clock count towards transistor count? < 1423869314 327540 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1423869323 770413 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's very hard to make a clock with nothing but transistors < 1423869334 978685 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can make a clock with one transistor plus a bunch of extra components < 1423869356 453638 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think that might give you a sine wave rather than a square wave? probably good enough, anyway < 1423869381 148109 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lemme think how this ultra-tiny CPU would work. < 1423869444 927722 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the state could just be stored in a single flip-flop or whatever. < 1423869496 487610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear this guy named babbage had an idea to make a computer with no transistors at all < 1423869500 897772 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, maybe two. Execute one command per two clock cycles. < 1423869552 429921 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but the implication is that we're making one with /only/ transistors < 1423869559 591039 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ the minimum of other required components < 1423869564 838594 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably need a few capacitors and resistors < 1423869589 186152 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you have a one-bit register S, where zero means we're about to read the first bit of a command and one means we're about to read the second bit of a 1 command. < 1423869618 506875 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as, I dunno, T, where zero means we're about to read a bit and one means we're about to write one. < 1423869620 722356 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1423869632 165524 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we do the read and write simultaneously? < 1423869692 574600 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the queue supports that, I'm not sure if the CPU logic could handle that. < 1423869716 753601 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is what it is. < 1423869730 205387 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T = 0 means we're about to read a bit. T = 1 means we're about to enqueue or dequeue a bit. < 1423869737 977337 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't dequeue a bit and read a bit in the same clock cycle. < 1423869838 625875 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember we have two queues < 1423869841 218557 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT doesn't work with just one < 1423869844 169448 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, upon clock positive edge, if T = 0 and S = 0, then we dequeue the data queue, enqueue the program queue, and subsequently dequeue the program queue. < 1423869859 651178 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except can you enqueue and dequeue in the same clock cycle? < 1423869874 371800 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make it so that you enqueue on positive edge and dequeue on negative edge. < 1423869900 582663 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we're using two-phase logic as is anyway < 1423869931 747744 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program queue's input and output pins can just always be shorted together. The enqueue and dequeue pins can be controlled by a single wire, but one of the pins needs to have a not gate before it. < 1423870049 57399 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be implemented with one transistor and a resistor < 1423870057 152547 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't mind the current drain, which we don't < 1423870105 23678 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which logic style (or whatever you call it) are we using? < 1423870135 157329 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever works < 1423870145 42205 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an infinite without infinite addressing is more or less tape + some instruction storage? < 1423870148 835462 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1423870150 240423 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think RTL is going to be cheapest in most cases? or randomly changing between NMOS and PMOS? < 1423870153 59350 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite tape without* < 1423870178 175968 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want a logic style that drives both up and down because that needs twice as many transistors, even if it is more efficient < 1423870374 689117 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423870412 234724 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are these real transistors governed by calculus, or idealized ones which act kinda like relays? < 1423870425 157111 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digital transistors? < 1423870492 661742 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423870519 481874 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: real analog transistors, but I don't see why we can't use them in the digital range < 1423870526 141809 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1423870565 622656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for people who don't know, there are a range of ways to use transistors, but some make them act quite like amplifiers, and others make them act very digitally) < 1423870766 242194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: an infinite tape + a controlling finite state automaton, that's what a turing machine is. < 1423870778 435281 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shit son < 1423870927 554755 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1423871633 684250 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423871665 621809 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what my favorite analog electronic component is? < 1423871671 323167 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fourier transformer. < 1423871970 161936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how complex is one of those? < 1423872115 280387 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not real. < 1423872121 618918 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, its preimage is an even function. < 1423872260 780557 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423872955 394640 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423873199 908820 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423873656 172505 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423873836 897484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423874149 95325 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423874568 417754 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423874661 683007 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423876261 387591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423876273 994473 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1423876277 373961 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp141255067004.access.hol.gr QUIT : < 1423876306 363779 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1423876306 614616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 140100Z 25007KT 15SM SKC M22/M30 A3012 RMK SLP204 < 1423876307 371376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ach*oily < 1423876341 885816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once, the outside weather is immaterial. < 1423876342 441995 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sickness disprovement worsened again? < 1423876345 772738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1423876346 66616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 140050Z 13002KT 1000 R09/P2000N R27/P2000N SN VV003 M01/M01 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 17001KT < 1423876361 771767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outside weather is the kind where your eyelids try to freeze together. < 1423876368 696374 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously. no joke.) < 1423876406 981415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you still mainly oerjan, or has the flu made a coup and installed a new government in you body? < 1423876413 655312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the _flu_ isn't getting that much worse now, but my back is really longing for an outside walk. and then there had to pop up a canker sore just for completeness. < 1423876517 836252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1423876519 929157 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes? < 1423876532 52984 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1423876534 831969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold! < 1423876537 407357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds bad < 1423876546 297552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold as in temperature or illness? < 1423876548 566313 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yuck. < 1423876559 534369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperature. re the previous @metar. < 1423876594 596406 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-21) * 9/5 + 32 < 1423876596 322828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -5.799999999999997 < 1423876628 825598 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's -21 °C (-6 °F) outside. much fun. < 1423876645 343492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one sort of interfers with plans to gorge on comfort pizza and chocolate < 1423876665 760069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's generally the right thing to do with a flu, right?) < 1423876685 357216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed a flu, starve an eating disorder? < 1423876689 450003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's not right < 1423876690 380417 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it's large doses of chicken noodle soup and OJ. < 1423876696 343330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches some chocolate anyway < 1423876708 428189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness they invented kanka eh < 1423876721 409300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always buy some and can never find it when i need it next < 1423876735 588845 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of pizza, today we ordered a special gigantic oversized poutine, with sausage, ham, mushrooms and bell peppers in it. < 1423876743 964603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what's a kanka? < 1423876745 507599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _have_ had OJ, although i only drink half a cup per day as my stomach doesn't hold well with too much sour < 1423876748 265018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a good approach to cold weather < 1423876756 1440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: medication for canker sores < 1423876794 317936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably wouldn't need it if i brushed more regularly eh < 1423876806 350553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you gotta do tonight boilyface < 1423876808 663574 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! something like anbesol! < 1423876814 276772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1423876816 574328 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1423876817 104154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding is that chicken soup for healing is an american thing, possibly jewish in origin. < 1423876826 875766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care; has chicken. < 1423876827 572455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anbesol is not waterproof < 1423876834 526836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its for external sores < 1423876868 42448 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... I'll have to investigate that mysterious product. < 1423876888 342630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, tonight is the night where nothing happens much. < 1423876975 193922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...gaming? < 1423877002 707974 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm... <_<'... mainly reddit browsing hth < 1423877026 92650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1423877039 958495 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hard to find people who want to game with me < 1423877065 571772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, completely exhausted. I don't know how many hours I worked this week. < 1423877248 173799 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423877323 340635 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423877323 984021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :games are work to you? < 1423877367 635547 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423877411 941605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the game and how you play it. < 1423877434 244744 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I play Starcraft, if I'm trying hard to win, it's pretty stressful. < 1423877463 998195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i like co-ops < 1423877477 92349 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EU IV feels a lot like a job. < 1423877481 416727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fucking around and messing with stuff < 1423877660 206050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't like Starcraft then play game "I don't know"craft < 1423877739 425843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i like starcraft, but i'll play "I don't know"craft when you finish writing it. < 1423877823 286047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, try to play Washizu mahjong by internet if you have any software to do so. < 1423877851 904152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already beat and 100%ed that game < 1423878819 381497 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SPLIT CHICKEN < 1423879334 418001 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423879908 868564 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423879957 721976 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423880647 711989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1423884067 131388 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423885488 176610 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423885638 645264 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugptndpecqswffwy JOIN :#esoteric < 1423886282 279290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it permitted for names of elements and attributes in XML to contain non-ASCII characters? My opinion is this is stupid and it shoudln't be. Non-ASCII characters should only be allowed in text (both normal and CDATA), values of attributes, and comments. < 1423886331 412415 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is overly complex as a rule. < 1423886448 372616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is too complex, although it presumably is doing what it needs to do. Still a few things are a bit stupid. < 1423886477 92098 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a quick look at the processing instructions. :) < 1423886714 128203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it does have a lot of extensions, most of them are optional (and does not affect the syntax of the document) so it is not a problem. If you can ignore unknown processing instructions then it might work in some cases. < 1423886826 23256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a few good ideas such as namespaces, although the method of doing this might be a bit more complicated than it should be. < 1423886947 506183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have far more complexity than it should have, although some files/services are using XML so a XML parser would be needed. < 1423887168 370023 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423887565 174742 :dulla_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423887569 369790 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423887576 846675 :dulla_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :dulla < 1423887648 199833 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423887660 236631 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wasn't "overly complex" a design goal? < 1423887767 40343 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also related: oh my god I cannot wait for HHTP/2 < 1423887834 899247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperhyped transfer protocol < 1423887911 873410 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Not really. < 1423887921 177387 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be a simplified subset of SGML. < 1423887962 464782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they forgot to shoot the enterprise people before they started designing. < 1423888008 96413 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HTTP/2 < 1423888996 711051 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1423889329 143046 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Common problem. < 1423890078 800658 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the proper answer is to murder enterprises. < 1423891556 365958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to read XML files in SQLite. I don't need DTD and encryption and fancy stuff like that, although I do want namespaces, and it would also help to support queries. < 1423891851 898158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there suitable C library to do it with? With simple one file and don't need a configure script and so on < 1423891910 904121 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423892888 327023 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugptndpecqswffwy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1423893019 965265 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423894162 277711 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423894737 890616 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423895544 388367 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1423895545 121256 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1423895687 701335 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1423895706 811289 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1423895861 231651 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting distracted from writing things, and need to go to bed. < 1423895910 713927 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I got a microSD card but immediatley forgot the adapter to plug it into normal sized SD slots. < 1423895963 114275 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I left that downstars actually. < 1423896073 228998 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I should write about ideas on chatbots and AI and stuff already instead of waiting until I implement stuff to write about it. < 1423896102 242234 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since getting my idea down somewhere probably helps get to work actually following through with it. < 1423896173 347733 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423896452 442707 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423897075 617477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your idea about it? < 1423897561 458477 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1423897637 492391 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423897705 190244 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1423897720 285599 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqssnkrplgeinrzq JOIN :#esoteric < 1423897848 654803 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude < 1423897852 483308 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell em < 1423898053 415911 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423898242 795315 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to distract myself from sleeping currently. < 1423898283 892608 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get some stuff written down tomorrow, I'll try to do that first and then link the posts to talk about them. < 1423898299 41829 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1423898346 139984 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit MDream < 1423898376 2964 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very simple stuff. < 1423898390 916478 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shit < 1423898397 771175 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still interested < 1423898420 131158 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423898539 180419 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned some of it before, about making variants of chatbots. < 1423898561 96530 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I need to make sure I'm not up too late. < 1423898572 377559 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :variants? < 1423898601 633742 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do something < 1423898603 158490 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1423898605 892643 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck less < 1423898617 310203 :NihilistDandy!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423898629 458302 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the general idea of how they work. < 1423898659 335235 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they have more general functionality < 1423898681 250170 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd require run-time reloading/factoring, or a dynamic structure which is a pain nin the cock < 1423898688 661196 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first idea I had on it was when thinking about how chatbots left in public tend to pick up rude behavior. < 1423898744 983006 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you string two chatbots together, the first one can do the learning, but isntead of speaking directly to the user it can pass it message through a more hardcoded chatbot that paraphrases it. < 1423898775 210161 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from there I came up with other ideas in which a chatbot is considered a node in a larger network. < 1423898819 815253 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more or less a multi-layer ANN for information representation < 1423898825 463266 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that shit stays pg < 1423898836 633673 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that they can't teach your dog to respond to a retarded name < 1423898847 61608 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1423898860 858737 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With multiple inputs, it can gather more data in the long run < 1423898878 93855 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you'd need to enforce some kind of channel-locality to some of the endpoints < 1423898886 852435 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423898887 134491 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423898887 295149 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1423899244 369309 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like a good place 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:mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it is doing < 1423936921 749465 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroIRC < 1423936941 337903 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most cpu consuming client ever < 1423937061 658039 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there yet an or-typesystem? < 1423937148 168979 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(List (if p 5 5.0) "hi") has the type 《int or double or string》 < 1423937317 148209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrohman: i've seen such a system for lambda calculus but damn if i can manage to google it < 1423937367 35528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrohman: I was working on this in my thesis < 1423937369 321893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are type systems like that. i forget the name. gradual typing systems often have it. typed racket is like that i think < 1423937372 688068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal search term is "intersection types" < 1423937378 373825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1423937387 275884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried "disjunctive" or "conjunctive" :P < 1423937413 372378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite prior work on the subject was by Kfoury < 1423937421 123451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if there's a publicly available link < 1423937446 883697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems rather obscure to find regardless < 1423937490 409091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not sure this is the same thing < 1423937500 48655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i remember was _untagged_ types < 1423937525 194061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go: http://hdl.handle.net/2144/1597 < 1423937538 623622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a technical report, so should be available even if you don't have subscriptions to every journal in existence < 1423937543 762393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like technical reports for that reason) < 1423937555 41032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very close to the stuff I was doing in my thesis, btw < 1423937558 169083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. \f x -> f (f x) had a type like ((x -> y) /\ (y -> z)) -> x -> z < 1423937596 816407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's exactly the type it gets in my bounded intersection types < 1423937603 441608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and regular intersection types also give it the same type < 1423937621 354570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you added an omega type that everything belonged to, you could characterize terminating terms in untyped LC as those that could be typed with the omega in only negative positions < 1423937688 734276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where negative position corresponds roughly to "you can take this as an argument but not return it") < 1423937708 327740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to contravariance in functor terms < 1423937713 182161 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423937727 526465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note also that there was no quantification in this type system < 1423937728 239454 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423937782 119441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you didn't need omega for strongly normalizing terms < 1423937808 642412 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423937834 333171 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423937848 677640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, this was precisely the subject which got me to make my first SO post, way back < 1423937853 991792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1423938118 553441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "top" type mentioned in that report abstract is the same as omega < 1423938974 586415 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersections < 1423939051 142991 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1423939095 737379 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought intersection types had something to do with value ranges < 1423939136 591838 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certain expressions in my type system would bind a type < 1423939141 907826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably interval types < 1423939143 447778 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example < 1423939148 241901 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1423939204 580825 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If (isint q) (add 1 q) (strreverse q)) < 1423939225 30936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1423939240 335738 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would imply that q is (int ot str) < 1423939241 903936 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1423939242 143704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching is so much more elegant < 1423939258 18210 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the add wouldnt typecheck < 1423939310 909360 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you can add a rule that the if check binds q in subexpressions to a specific type < 1423939351 757073 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which allows that add there typechecks statically as well < 1423940067 837898 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in an essence the only reason for dynamic typed languages is being too lazy to write a typechecker < 1423940565 281948 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423940565 442683 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1423940565 442832 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423940570 684963 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423940648 229361 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhello.. mrohello? mrohmhellon??? hmm... hellohman, perhaps? < 1423940738 362780 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhelloman. I guess dynamic typed languages are "it works until it doesn't and you hit some runtime error", and static are "it doesn't compile until it does". < 1423940786 652190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can write programs in dynamic languages that can't be decidably type-checked (without rewording them) < 1423940910 987469 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423940916 977380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = if n == 1 then "hi" / 0 else if odd n then f(3*n+1) else f(n `div` 2) < 1423940986 995228 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure ghc will accept a blatant use of ‘"hi" / 0’. < 1423941074 582214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f(n) = if n == 1 then "hi" / 0 else if odd n then f(3*n+1) else f(n `div` 2) < 1423941075 925366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:6: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1423941087 488106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f(n) = if n == 1 then "hi" / 0 else if odd n then f(3*n+1) else f(n `div` 2) < 1423941088 817670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: ‘let f(n) = if n == 1 then "hi" / 0 else if odd n then f(... < 1423941091 319275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is supposed to be a dynamical language hth < 1423941092 767297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1423941092 941077 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423941098 92895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f(n) = if n == 1 then "hi" / 0 else if odd n then f(3*n+1) else f(n `div` 2) in 0 < 1423941099 401679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Real.Fractional [GHC.Types.Char]) < 1423941099 562455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Real./’ < 1423941099 562584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num a) < 1423941103 331343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1423941103 557072 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1423941124 801014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would work in a hypothetical dynamically typed Haskell < 1423941138 327060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it cannot be typechecked then < 1423941138 608412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it has to end in either type mismatch error, or an infinite loop < 1423941174 327037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the point is to have a typechecking that is equivalent to "only err if the program would dynamically do so" < 1423941200 859233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise, what's the question really. < 1423941233 995909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1423941239 762375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it's obviously undecidable due to TCness < 1423941254 369765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, due to halting problem < 1423941448 163622 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423941865 93873 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = if n == 1 then "hi" 0 else if odd n then f (3*n+1) else f (n `div` 2) in 0 < 1423941866 339368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘a0 -> t’ < 1423941866 500980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ < 1423941866 501123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include f :: a1 -> t (bound at :1:5) < 1423941884 917370 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = if n == 1 then 1337 else if odd n then f (3*n+1) else f (n `div` 2) in 0 < 1423941886 355777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1423941894 961934 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = if n == 1 then 1337 else if odd n then f (3*n+1) else f (n `div` 2) in f 0 < 1423941898 674681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1423941904 809212 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = if n == 1 then 1337 else if odd n then f (3*n+1) else f (n `div` 2) in f 1 < 1423941906 920721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1337 < 1423941910 719287 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1423941911 96759 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1423941933 143034 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = if n == 1 then 1337 else if odd n then f (3*n+1) else f (n `div` 2) in f 3 < 1423941934 617176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1337 < 1423941942 581762 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = if n == 1 then 1337 else if odd n then f (3*n+1) else f (n `div` 2) in f 9 < 1423941943 923879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1337 < 1423942225 924065 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ACORN CHICKEN < 1423942678 165892 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423943547 964981 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1423944288 157577 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1423945013 326114 :mrohman!~androirc@155.138.61.188.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423945110 917084 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423945152 255834 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423945724 791813 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423945795 102184 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423946395 884742 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423946665 197135 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1423946739 58987 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423946861 14888 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423946863 439637 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net NICK :Guest87001 < 1423946924 766296 :Guest87001!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1423946924 927023 :Guest87001!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1423946932 134850 :Guest87001!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1423947724 259660 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423948166 888147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423948481 585173 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1423948846 261155 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423948995 349473 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1423948999 783451 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaat < 1423949041 34060 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course i can typecheck it even if its tc < 1423949110 174546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in such a way that exactly the non-erring programs fail to typecheck < 1423949115 692271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1423949143 611685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE ADD/REMOVE A NEGATION AS APPROPRIATE < 1423949144 486338 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1423949199 460036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrohman: you cannot make a typechecker that accepts all programs that wouldn't give a dynamic error and none that would, and does so before running the program < 1423949223 427027 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1423949266 694495 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean (if p a b ) where b produces a runtime type error < 1423949276 709281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1423949284 966092 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you cant decide p < 1423949295 639382 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1423949311 478515 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thats not what i'm aiming for < 1423949370 70010 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that i want the style of such languages with static typechecking < 1423949398 868913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the word "hybrid" belongs in there somewhere then hth < 1423949456 156728 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that you have to account for ifs not always returning the same type < 1423949485 729052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that "hybrid types" gives you a lot of information on cars tdnh unless that's what you're looking for i guess < 1423949517 667561 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wont need runtime typechecks then < 1423949552 415844 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But runtime type info < 1423949621 139545 :mrohman!~androirc@0.224.197.178.dynamic.wless.zhbmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423949972 396298 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423950446 515565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make the compiler to defer the error until runtime, although this doesn't seems like very good in most cases (although maybe in some cases it might help, if it is possible at all in such case). < 1423950592 828177 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423950785 647733 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423951102 240652 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423951741 265173 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1423952525 478329 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423953574 865489 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1423953608 933353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423953944 957690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423954953 579990 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell if this soundfont has piano keys that last too long or if this music is just bad < 1423955988 56359 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1423956370 61558 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1423956442 15694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423956466 701092 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423957008 253150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you could say that is a key question < 1423957174 329404 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to buy all Ray Lynch music on Amazon < 1423957563 482106 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1423957934 944217 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423958985 543262 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959008 582231 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl NICK :Guest20901 < 1423959236 964629 :Guest20901!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1423959262 551630 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959288 542811 :yorick_!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959311 686329 :yorick_!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl NICK :Guest64625 < 1423959382 420523 :Guest64625!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1423959412 61678 :yorick__!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959620 769542 :yorick__!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host < 1423959621 12023 :yorick__!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959693 135512 :yorick__!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1423960161 54841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be going to Edinburgh the weekend after next < 1423960179 641361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why are train tickets to Edinburgh like twice as expensive as train tickets to Hexham? < 1423960190 331271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because Edinburgh is, in fact, twice as far away from here as Hexham? < 1423960198 303873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's something to do with that, yeah < 1423960216 338461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's also the customs duty on importing englishness < 1423960259 552659 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to protest that I am in fact only 50% English? < 1423960277 714283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that relevant? < 1423960286 808905 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1423960290 794664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can ask < 1423960354 629040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, price is generally roughly correlated with the length of travel yes. In most parts of the world at least. < 1423960414 958470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, google map's ui has got annoying < 1423960418 254063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trains tend to be so empty after newcastle it wouldn't be unexpected if they charged less, though < 1423960434 346561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I was mostly surprised at the price because I've ended up with an instinct for train ticket prices entirely based on the York <-> Hexham route < 1423960444 291893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want to do is pan in such a way that i can see edinburgh, hexham and york simultaneously :( < 1423960465 961141 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Hexham is precisely the midpoint of the two cities < 1423960566 326772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no GM, when i double click on the map i _don't_ want you to zoom out to the whole UK < 1423960704 387840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of showing a smooth zooming if i cannot _stop_ it at an intermediate point < 1423960705 684180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more familiar with the edinburgh-midlands routes < 1423960730 996385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, if you've been very good this year and said the appropriate prayers, might be slightly under £60 < 1423961060 122495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cage < 1423961060 933657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1423961072 168248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help quote < 1423961072 411963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote : Quote or a random person if no nick is given < 1423961088 154269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I think the quote I am after is on lambdabot and I do not know how to search < 1423961312 689093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cage < 1423961312 934531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon! < 1423961331 983573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423961341 182400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monoid < 1423961341 464998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thermoplyae says: someone finally pointed out to me that a monad is an monoid-object in an endofunctor category i have no idea how i've never seen that before < 1423961347 906701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not just nicks < 1423961474 722163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, it was on HackEgo < 1423961487 27721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about a cage with a lambda underneath used as a trap < 1423961490 8090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote trap < 1423961494 346216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :225) !bfjoust furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls http://sprunge.us/eKWa * Sgeo had no idea that Gregor was hetero < 1423961508 705190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1423961555 343330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423961591 63352 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cage.? < 1423961591 309399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. I am sorry. < 1423961597 285993 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cage.* < 1423961597 530704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. :( < 1423961605 406644 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote .*cage < 1423961605 650845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. I am sorry. < 1423961969 898054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lambda < 1423961973 370427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :103) Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough \ 332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. \ 410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later < 1423961990 754669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -10 < 1423961991 842989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :103) Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough \ 332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. \ 410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later < 1423962004 608336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -1 < 1423962005 644748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1203) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1423962007 995362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -5 < 1423962008 991929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace \ 497) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell \ 525) I think this < 1423962021 372167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes lambda < 1423962029 181438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -2 < 1423962029 424286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.9373 < 1423962030 174081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :892) FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE \ 1203) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1423962041 299727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -3 < 1423962055 727473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :525) I think this has taught us one thing. We can't teach itidus20 lambda calculus by comittee \ 892) FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE \ 1203) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1423962058 922028 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever happened to itidus < 1423962066 984717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, after he left the channel < 1423962103 29784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :497 is still one of the best quotes ever < 1423962107 624112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably transcended to a higher plane of confusion < 1423962157 416787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : god, google map's ui has got annoying <-- website? app? < 1423962200 874773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could also try openstreetmap maybe? < 1423962220 930447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :website. < 1423962237 174480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Hm yeah it doesn't do smooth scrolling fully afaik < 1423962246 79198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was like, linked from the google result page for "york" < 1423962252 185799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to import openstreetmap data into SQLite? < 1423962294 26737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, probably, but oh god the performance? < 1423962294 306654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check their wiki < 1423962332 718986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they use postgresql + postgis as their backend for vector data < 1423962405 599199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 497 < 1423962409 853455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :497) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell < 1423962429 105086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a RVTP server for PostgreSQL so that it can access with RVTP client, and then write a RVTP client for SQLite. < 1423962430 484238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah that is pretty good < 1423962443 977926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, wtf is rvtp? < 1423962450 407435 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423962484 126862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some protocol I made up but isn't implemented yet; it is short for "Remote Virtual Table Protocol" < 1423962501 401023 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423962501 645631 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423962514 994490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well whatever, I'm not sure anybody cares about importing gigabytes of map data in sqlite. < 1423962542 197729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And frankly I don't see the point. OpenStreetMap has some good query tools written for it already < 1423962587 104742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://overpass-turbo.eu/ for example < 1423962656 374027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmcbait < 1423962657 185221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :951) Sgeo_, are you just trying to post kmcbait... * Fiora imagines a cardboard box propped up by a stick with a pile of monads inside. Fiora: that is actually what Haskell is. < 1423962660 129936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUND IT < 1423962706 649976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it is using a webpage and then you might want to access by command-line < 1423963609 619261 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1423964604 832677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about Turtle RDF formats? < 1423964610 425055 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423965260 431985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423965964 971742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ABOLUTIVE CHICKEN < 1423966196 461756 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423969461 454251 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-144.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423969499 487260 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-144.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1423969499 647999 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970065 277004 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423970418 601657 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970645 417347 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970689 736036 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970873 313301 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423972859 866499 :lokita23!~canaima@186-89-49-38.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423972896 280264 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423972896 591057 :lokita23!~canaima@186-89-49-38.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423973847 162241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A virtual table in SQLite could have read-only fields, write-only fields, and compare-only fields. < 1423974028 306649 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423974198 225930 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423974274 152606 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423974323 370742 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423974473 365593 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqssnkrplgeinrzq QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423974548 317640 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423974616 432170 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423974642 665009 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423975109 692984 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwudfkxoqprsnhmv JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976059 866550 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423976148 349640 :skarn_!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423976162 608517 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976173 421311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423976173 622413 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423976181 988623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976189 498447 :arjanb!8259adb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.184 QUIT :Quit: . < 1423976259 259427 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976508 637247 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976659 903911 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423979170 395377 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423979180 291309 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423979184 492301 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 QUIT :Client Quit < 1423979268 753431 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423979843 440119 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ce0:450a:27de:449b JOIN :#esoteric < 1423980604 293500 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423980625 602088 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423980688 606557 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recieved an awesome book today. Nelson's Japanese-English Character Dictionary. It is a bit outdated, but beautiful and easy to look kanji up in. < 1423980964 225382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this reminds me < 1423980974 348747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the art contributed to NetHack 4 contains what are apparently Chinese characters < 1423980981 88374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to make sure that they don't say anything rude or out-of-place < 1423980997 307177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try to learn what it does mean anyways < 1423981060 392135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423981066 245423 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't nethack a text-based game? < 1423981108 761943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do icon-mode too though? < 1423981121 444509 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:59a0:d860:6b5e:adb6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423981159 20132 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: googled it, yeah apparently there is a mode with actual graphics < 1423981219 233259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I'm implementing both multiple graphical modes, and multiple text modes < 1423981236 581841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here it is: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/unknown-chinese.png < 1423981253 743015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put it into Google Translate or the like, but I don't know how to translate the image into ideograms < 1423981287 991764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially given how small the image is < 1423981290 409730 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ce0:450a:27de:449b QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423981300 801437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose multiple text mode can be ASCII mode, PC mode, VT100 mode, and Unicode xterm mode, and also colors or monochrome, and there are some other kind of details too I think; would that be it? < 1423981304 699816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have ideas for an OCR that works on Chinese? < 1423981340 955883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any OCR, but I know there is servers to look up by radicals and other methods that you can pick from the form < 1423981348 561632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, currently the user specifies what characters they want; there are two implemented modes for this, one selection uses only characters that exist in ASCII, the other uses only characters that exist in codepage 437 < 1423981356 933100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the game engine works out how to render it < 1423981359 952916 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :last character is 少 meaning "small" not sure about the other two < 1423981372 32241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't think it is < 1423981380 867160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top-left stroke is sloping top left to bottom right < 1423981385 900362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bottom left to top right < 1423981400 865029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also flavour implies that this is Chinese rather than Japanese) < 1423981404 993841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to look if it is Simplified Chinese or if it is Traditional Chinese < 1423981411 594392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, is the answer < 1423981415 58048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may well be meaningless < 1423981421 325613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want it to be meaningful in an offensive way < 1423981461 304036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My opinion is that Traditional Chinese is better; however, inside of China it is usually Simplified is used) < 1423981492 731817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those Chinese icons used for anyways? < 1423981497 221822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the majority use is different between mainland China and Taiwan, isn't it? < 1423981500 196921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they decorate a wall < 1423981504 737497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the tileset called "Chinese wall" < 1423981510 953032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I think it's meant to be Chinese < 1423981564 864799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1423981598 708945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I understand, Simplified is used in China, and Traditional is for everywhere else in the world < 1423981628 16486 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan has its own less simple simplifications < 1423981644 235779 :v^!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423981662 107753 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are called 新字体 (shinjitai) < 1423981686 395253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Yes I know that too, and theirs aren't as difficult understanding as Simplified Chinese, I think. < 1423981730 660843 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can see that. In my new book the traditional version is listed beside each character and they are usually barely different < 1423981784 440714 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423981803 8918 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the bigger chages is 竜 from 龍 < 1423981890 419931 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time it is just changing whether strokes are connected or not, or whether they cross another stroke or not < 1423981939 848614 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:a4c9:d1d3:fcfc:b762 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423982122 390858 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:59a0:d860:6b5e:adb6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423982237 377272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm halfway though character map looking for them < 1423982239 389003 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried linedict.com but I can't find anything that looks like the first two characters < 1423982347 325726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first one could be 牜? < 1423982351 876884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 牜 < 1423982357 258078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+725C CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-725C \ UTF-8: e7 89 9c UTF-16BE: 725c Decimal: 牜 \ 牜 (牜) \ Uppercase: U+725C \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1423982369 11285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not though < 1423982430 381492 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like a halfwidth version of 牛 which means cow < 1423982465 788126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one is pretty hopeless, I agree < 1423982502 587108 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be 夶 < 1423982521 105186 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't really work < 1423982523 134319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a great match for the third one either < 1423982542 940985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 夶 < 1423982544 65881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+5936 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5936 \ UTF-8: e5 a4 b6 UTF-16BE: 5936 Decimal: 夶 \ 夶 (夶) \ Uppercase: U+5936 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1423982554 228324 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general chinese characters don't often have a shape like < in them < 1423982572 96762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, many of the shapes there are quite different from anything I'm seeing in the Unicode list < 1423982598 416760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we go by slope directions of the lines (which are very clear in the third shape), the only option is 氵 < 1423982609 61864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a feeling that would have been drawn differently < 1423982612 94584 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those are chinese characters then they are pixelated out of recognition < 1423982617 657988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423982629 125340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, I'm probably OK with them, although perhaps we should actually spell something appropriate < 1423982631 865306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least amusing < 1423982671 281475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 氵 is crazily common, at least, and not particularly awkward < 1423982681 256337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was nice of Unicode to give definitions) < 1423982683 562658 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the water radical < 1423982692 307542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423982735 88679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, this doesn't actually look very much like a CJK language at all < 1423982741 880706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps is failing to perform its function due to that? < 1423982849 888572 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recognizable characters would become orange blocks at that scale... < 1423983078 307517 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 街道 which means street for example... < 1423983246 192152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that two ideograms? < 1423983247 694659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1423983405 997579 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes two. In chinese Jiēdào. In japanese it is pronounced kaidou and means highway < 1423983491 944748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how cross-intelligable are written chinese and japanese? < 1423983539 597264 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a little. < 1423983558 941906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like french and italian? < 1423983614 494627 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese-chinese words are mostly ones from the middle ages, so their meanings have shifted, and Mandarin has evolved in the meantime. Japanese and Classical Chinese are much closer < 1423983631 171196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, pretty much exactly like french and italian then < 1423983652 106099 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like italian and english < 1423983680 827880 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because japanese has a superstrate of chinese over a japanese substrate < 1423983682 305672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I play computer games set to a foreign language, for fun < 1423983716 965376 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like english has a latinate superstrate over a germanic substrate < 1423983837 574115 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah that can be fun < 1423984023 795557 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most annoying thing my parents used to do is speak in italian french or spanish, depending on their mood, in order so I couldn't tell what they were saying. < 1423984100 108333 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really annoying to 8 year old me < 1423984214 326051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why you learned japanese twh < 1423984254 503538 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It may be why I practice it with my best friend in my dad's office < 1423984313 873176 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :きゃははは、お父さん、分からないか? < 1423984439 890464 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:a4c9:d1d3:fcfc:b762 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1423984491 615252 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice gif < 1423984520 901870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you follow random links in people's quit messages? < 1423984526 638801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost like clicking on spam < 1423984547 492677 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do that too < 1423984598 324669 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noscript, adblocker, and this computer is total crap anyway < 1423984685 242926 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423984709 536672 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like my dad agressively driving in a 15 yearold ford focus < 1423984801 973695 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww no gif < 1423985260 893315 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I smelt cobalt from cobaltite < 1423986966 621395 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423988285 548916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Because of the kobolds hth < 1423989321 460588 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423991970 727281 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.17.60 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992006 713250 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992086 97711 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992086 97829 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992366 689886 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1423992373 129451 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992377 273491 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992377 791362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992436 529157 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992440 674308 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992441 192313 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992473 659924 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992477 804612 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992478 321943 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992523 662140 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992527 805934 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992528 323640 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992587 299234 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992591 443472 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992591 961243 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992623 662851 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992627 794270 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992628 312626 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992673 663806 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992677 804913 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992678 322757 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992723 665158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423992724 332220 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992727 827892 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992728 345416 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423992815 295589 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423993099 691831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some papers on which I have written several kind of chess variants. One is a complex dimensional chess variant. < 1423993121 988558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1423993149 807416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also one where the bishops are now beavers and the king can use a shotgun but only if he has a license. < 1423993202 53432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find lots of chess variants on the internet. < 1423993208 382509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are crazy. < 1423993327 477226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know and many I have put in too. < 1423993471 436296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also "Bland Chess" from my brother; no diagonal moves are allowed (although knights can still move normally). < 1423993521 305353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that pawns cannot capture, queens are same as rooks, bishops cannot move at all, and the king moves only one space orthogonally. < 1423993690 968314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a game "Chess With Checkers Added" that both me and my brother have simultaneously invented independently; we both invented the same game. At first he just put the checkers in front of the pawns as a joke but then we both made up the same rules for the game that is set up like that. < 1423993903 868158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you make up chess variant too? < 1423994348 423514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hehe, "bland chess" reminds me to two variants Smullyan mentions: one where every piece can move only in a way that it stays on the same colored square that it starts from, so pawns can only move double or (non en-passant) capture, < 1423994363 333353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knights are just stuck? < 1423994366 950555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the less restricted version where knights can't move but other figures aren't restricte. < 1423994370 749983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, knights are stuck. < 1423994420 73877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need Evil Chess where the pieces sometimes explode when you move them, and arbitrary time limits are placed on you every now and then, and the rules aren't what you think they are, and there are cutscenes < 1423994464 311971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutscenes! < 1423994466 797366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1423994477 340086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea if something I wanted to learn how to make up is the chess variant where the commands of INTERCAL are included. < 1423994492 36068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423994498 786818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess with intercal commands < 1423994521 362976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d4) DO COME FROM d2 < 1423994892 609698 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423994967 865947 :naturalo1!~naturalog@213.57.64.140 NICK :naturalog < 1423994970 198527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make a C header file with macros having mangled names so that it can interface with C++ programming? < 1423995029 520761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not macros, but you can do wrapper functions by using a separate C++ object file < 1423995047 86699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically has a bunch of C++ functions that call counterparts declared with extern "C" < 1423995093 207927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it depends on the architecture < 1423995111 61994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to do it without wrapper functions so that the function pointer is the same as the C function < 1423995114 657496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on some compilers or systems, C++ symbols mangle to names that aren't valid in C because they contain weird characters < 1423995146 791846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, let me look up the specifics < 1423995152 168523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which systems are they? Is it possible with GNU C? < 1423995178 878156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment, I don't know off the top of my head, I just let the compiler and debugger deal with this stuff < 1423995222 275708 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've been messing around with trying to reverse engineer /dev/input/mice for fun < 1423995227 960584 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss anything? https://gist.github.com/CrazyM4n/553379cf3fa93721664f lol < 1423995231 622567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MS compiler use @ signs in mangled names < 1423995245 54535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ? signs too < 1423995266 133296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all C++-mangled names start with a ? sign < 1423995285 519440 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423995323 263429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on GNU C, it might be possible because it uses only alphanumeric and underscore characters in mangled names < 1423995347 594910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the C++ code might be compiled with a different compiler even though I am using GNU < 1423995381 393330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course such a thing might be somewhat fragile and dependent on the version of compiler and libstdc++ you're targetting, not because of the name mangling, but because of the other stuff like representation of library stuff and exceptions and other horrible things < 1423995399 887625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423995415 713772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and? < 1423995418 396862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what compiler and libc++ and stuff they are using < 1423995449 540781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why don't you use the normal solution, that is, write the wrappers in C++? < 1423995458 322904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, wrong channel for that < 1423995476 527767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said maybe it is a different compiler, for one thing < 1423995482 443940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway, if you wanted for MSVC, you could try writing in assembler directly < 1423995486 654594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than C < 1423995516 627301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, if you don't know the compiler then you can't compile C++ interfaces. < 1423995533 291658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know the compiler type and version and architecture. < 1423995633 810330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe their files are Microsoft but my files are GNU and I want to be able to interface them, preferably only the header file needs to change and the main file can be keep the same one even when interfacing with other C++ programs with other compilers and versions and architectures. < 1423995681 197387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you make C interfaces for your code, compiled with gnu, and a thin C++ wrapper for it, compiled with MSVC, possibly header-only with inline functions? < 1423995716 752688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for MSVC, if you don't do this and you want to generate the mangled stuff yourself, you might also have to depend on which version of MSVC < 1423995732 736992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if this is not esoteric stuff, then don't do that, and just write a wrapper they have to compile or include < 1423995767 436544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably make the wrapper portable enough C++ and test it by compiling (including) it in a C++ program compiled with gnu C < 1423995790 176101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, you can be burned by the various idiocies of the MS compiler regarding C++ < 1423995867 56075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if I have MSVC, and if I do, I don't know what versions and other stuff < 1423995952 230350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it is interfacing with a DLL < 1423995981 186445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but the DLL can have a C interface < 1423996003 612614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give them a thin wrapper they include or compile, then it can be mostly portable among compilers < 1423996011 937238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program expects to load a DLL file with C++ codes < 1423996029 110404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to write the DLL file with C codes < 1423996031 463225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a DLL with C++ interface can almost never be portable among multiple versions of MSVC, or among gcc and msvc < 1423996046 580484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to do that, then you'll have to ask what compiler they're using < 1423996084 550737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to know the operating system type (windows or linux etc) and the CPU (x86 or x86_64) < 1423996373 272244 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423996389 430138 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423996823 249414 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423997096 626356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, I just realised < 1423997108 393641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current realtime-viable glitch to the credits in Super Mario World < 1423997113 517877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spells out shellcode /using shells/ < 1423997125 894324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this not an observation that I've seen elsewhere < 1423997268 839375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean koopa shells? < 1423997290 910160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423997371 344788 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423997493 691468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1423997670 708438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MuEncy12345 5* 10New user account < 1423997682 350608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, those digits are in sequence < 1423997685 774298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a spambot < 1423997925 241000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:MuEncy12345/Island14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41902 5* 03MuEncy12345 5* (+785) 10Created page with "[[User:MuEncy12345/Colloquial|Colloquial]] abbr|eviation of [[User:MuEncy12345/island mu-molecule|Island mu-molecule]], or of User:MuEncy12345/island mu-unit|island mu-un..." < 1423997981 812192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, it's a spambot < 1423997995 540250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like a copyright-infringing one, too < 1423998021 388386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:MuEncy12345/Island10]]": copyright-infringing spam < 1423998054 173193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:MuEncy1234510]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled): copyright-infringing spambot < 1423998055 371239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that it was planning to make a bunch of pages, all cross-linked < 1423998116 674457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"11:00, 15 February 2039" < 1423998123 635758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, they fixed the Y2038 bug < 1423998124 115250 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mrob.com/pub/muency.html < 1423998134 751534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: isn't that the link that was being spammed? < 1423998160 187641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you post it to the channel < 1423998255 358158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1423998260 668469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely copyright infringement < 1423998267 970647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less sure on the spam, though, because it links to source < 1423998291 365078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 unblock10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10unblocked User:MuEncy12345: maybe not a spambot < 1423998307 102533 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423998388 99728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:MuEncy1234514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41903 5* 03Ais523 5* (+568) 10warning < 1423998457 45888 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mrob.com/cc-license.html < 1423998462 701074 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are free to copy and reuse any of this work as long as you tell people where it is from < 1423998503 176158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: and it's noncommercial < 1423998515 735348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you preserve copyright notices < 1423998530 284266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki's copyright status outright claims a different copyright on everything posted there < 1423998540 42521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, that anything there can be reused for any purpose, no attribution required < 1423998553 272574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost. "Content is available under CC0 public domain dedication unless otherwise noted." < 1423998606 799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the way I'm reading that I could post an article under some other CC license (for example) if I explicitely state that in the article. < 1423998626 732265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just boilerplate that a wiki upgrade put on there < 1423998641 265455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the edit prompt requires a CC0 license < 1423998684 747699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's been a while. < 1423998702 481412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, bad MediaWiki default < 1423998711 657316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't go around changing the wiki's copyright status like that! < 1423998743 232386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Copyright14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41904 5* 03Ais523 5* (+30) 10a MediaWiki apparently put a bad (lack of) copyright notice on here; fixing that < 1423998747 976335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fixed < 1423998766 220816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1423998776 731960 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is solar power enough to keep a drone in the air < 1423998800 599485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I believe so, but it has to have a very weird form factor to make enough room for the solar panels < 1423998837 739270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no. if it was, birds would just eat the plants (moss, lichens) grown on their backs and wings rather than actively seeking out food < 1423998852 598498 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1423998932 718606 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new in esoland < 1423998989 288110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shellcode with shells is a good enough joke that maybe you should ask the tasvideos guys to edit it into the description < 1423999001 980310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't know what "shellcode" means < 1423999009 274149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the TASvideos route doesn't use that method of setup < 1423999012 75118 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the mario thing < 1423999014 135305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, it uses the controller ports < 1423999026 734447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423999036 496497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do "most people" watch tases? < 1423999052 53561 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see a guy perform the exploit by hand? < 1423999055 73723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think speedruns are more popular < 1423999058 372381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a real SNES < 1423999060 259175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yep, it's been done by hand < 1423999065 493187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different setup, though < 1423999073 391925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a video explaining all the steps on YouTube < 1423999094 959915 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how to find similar code exec type things in NES and gameb oy games < 1423999106 3539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you said realtime-viable glitch < 1423999110 264079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much scarier < 1423999156 297144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not like GB pokémon where you can just edit memory in real time < 1423999176 303325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Zelda OOT where they do memory corruption with items in real time < 1423999192 289529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1423999215 378815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the GB Super Mario Land 2 memory corruption has been performed in real time too < 1423999225 299951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I shouldn't be surprised by any of this anymore < 1423999343 987385 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting :)) < 1423999363 821996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these real time speedrunners are crazy < 1423999387 486105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they find their way to perform glitches in real time < 1423999394 141217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :develop very crazy techniques < 1423999403 96176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I do realtime speedrunning too < 1423999405 303659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Neverwinter Nights < 1423999421 691806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but how glitched? < 1423999450 944071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall clips and item duping and exploiting broken scripts, mostly < 1423999452 973592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, a not very glitched real time speedrun can be also amazing when the player demonstrates good technique < 1423999464 464576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy both kinds < 1423999468 883733 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you pull the scripts out of the game and study them? < 1423999480 611257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a level editor that can read them < 1423999485 820482 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :D < 1423999488 332436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can only use it on levels you've already completed < 1423999505 667281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you just rename the files to make them think they're custom) < 1423999539 376377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what console or operating system do you speedrun that? < 1423999550 576400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8.1 < 1423999552 247728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you mentioned this once already when I asked about silence spells) < 1423999553 918702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423999565 598972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it could have been a different game) < 1424000236 101920 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424000245 663949 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think curly brace syntax might be ergonomically bad for me, at least on a Finnish keyboard. AltGr in general is a problematic key. < 1424000280 711282 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSchool < 1424000290 487038 :TieSchool!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424000390 145625 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive made it so the [/{ and ]/} keys input ( and ) for me < 1424000392 986004 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes lisp easier < 1424000397 162270 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424000479 255417 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Yeah, in DrRacket I have Å mapped to automatically output the () or [] pair I need for the context; but right now I'm doing JavaScript tutorials on codecademy; which doesn't even do auto-pairs. < 1424001134 208196 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think keyboards in general need more keys. I would put a few more rows above the number row < 1424001249 649870 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe that wouldn't help if you're a touch-typist < 1424001284 429993 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type with two fingers < 1424001378 48556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: () or [] are a little easier to type than Å (capslock shift-a a for me) < 1424001420 768716 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: å, rather, which is a plain key on a Finnish keyboard. < 1424001426 855434 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to the right of p. < 1424001445 439269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where [ is already on a UK keyboard < 1424001475 660122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also UK keyboards have exactly two altgr keys, it used to be one < 1424001491 590241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is a second |; on some OSes, it looks different from the original | < 1424001500 509817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other, added quite recently, is € < 1424001566 850656 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :å < 1424001577 505059 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it is &aa < 1424001679 268069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like my compose key to be a key that's otherwise useful < 1424001691 480151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock's intended function is the least useful on the keyboard < 1424001694 477641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even pause is useful more often < 1424001731 293408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use caps-lock for WM interaction. < 1424001806 929047 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caps lock is useful if you use it for IME switching < 1424001862 704438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slightly perversely, I use the left windows key for äöüÄÖÜß...) < 1424001916 845991 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ι υσε < 1424001951 459261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :super is a generally useful key, though < 1424001961 97281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I use alt+super for WM interaction < 1424001963 866927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single key tended to get typoed too often < 1424001978 696282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use alt for WM interaction, < 1424001988 522736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all alt+key and alt+mouse combos are that, only some of curse < 1424001990 475295 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what happens when you look at the screen instead of you keyboard < 1424002066 607270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt plus any of (the function keys, escape, space) (possibly with other modifiers at the same times); alt plus right or middle drag; and alt plus control plus arrows and edit keys and numpad keys < 1424002116 382187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I should refine the specific, in particular, I should make a system where shift isn't used for any WM function so I can reserve it as a modifier to act on a WM nested inside a VNC session < 1424002127 398265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sound crazy? < 1424002152 272289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, I've run into that nesting problem myself < 1424002179 803904 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never found a need to interact with a window manager with my keyboard... What would the point be? < 1424002191 492249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: the mouse is so far away < 1424002210 240384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but is the particular desire to have two full sets of shortcuts (rather than either a limited set of shortcuts in the nested WM, or switch with numlock, or act on the nested stuff only when it's full screen) normal? < 1424002213 934005 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in the centre of my kyboeard < 1424002217 908098 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424002229 491850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually switching with numlock might be an option < 1424002229 750226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: well, mine isn't. I hate those knobs or touchpads. < 1424002330 490573 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch typists tend to hit the touchpad with their wrists but my typing style never has that problem < 1424002331 624590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they don't have the same accurace and speed as a proper mouse, for me) < 1424002337 471743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accuracy* < 1424002381 44610 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah for games I use an actual mouse < 1424002467 541045 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type in a position resting my fingers on the cdwq and mkop keys < 1424002481 604363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I interact with a mouse too sometimes, or with a combination of the keyboard modifiers and mouse < 1424002494 714775 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sort hovering over that area anyway < 1424002496 575392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I have set it up so I can do almost any function with either the keyboard or the mouse, < 1424002504 815706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good grief < 1424002514 921778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not really, the window managers are like that by default, I've just modified the settings a bit) < 1424002519 161313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this time i'd thought the david mitchell who wrote cloud atlass was the comedian < 1424002522 190221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*atlas < 1424002535 975036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except of course restoring a full screen window, which you have to do with the keyboard because there's no WM area left on < 1424002562 519935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely full screen windows, only for games or watching movies, when I don't want to interact with the WM for a while < 1424002602 712156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, however, spent some time to be able to make the WM are very small so it doesn't waste vertical screen estate < 1424002868 34106 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca NICK :oren < 1424002977 872937 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: whatver. I only recently found out that "led zeppelin" is not the name of a guitarist < 1424003086 264370 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424003101 664190 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424003450 683004 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424003623 216825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying lunch < 1424005640 396491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424005697 603015 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424005860 351217 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424006188 835006 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424006315 571659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I started working on azip again < 1424006344 554294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found a really elegant algorithm for "find all substrings that appear more than once in a given string" that runs in O(n log n log n) time < 1424006422 268594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering where to start looking to see if it's already known < 1424006608 131184 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds really interesting!! < 1424006689 490814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to use it to make the new version of azip < 1424006695 33505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just a better zlib encoder < 1424006767 579696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :azip is a compression algo Iwas working on a while back < 1424006785 320880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about comparable with bzip2 (and much better than gzip) < 1424006930 656262 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424006937 986674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it assumes that the input string can be indexed in O(1), which might or might not be true in practice < 1424006967 628536 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424006967 845718 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1424006972 763046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, you'd have to build a binary tree out of the input string for indexing it, and get O(n log³ n) performance < 1424007037 64503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1424007262 958496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424007650 864499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karp, Miller, Rosenberg "" < 1424007651 50372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rapid identification of repeated patterns in strings, trees and arrays < 1424007663 6233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1972, looks relevant < 1424007689 451252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_array#Construction_Algorithms has a couple more references. < 1424007767 881665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Karp, Miller, Rosenberg one is based on the idea of first identifying equal letters, and then doubling the match lengths iteratively, in O(n) steps per doubling. So it'll actually be O(n log n) total for what you need, I think.) < 1424007870 114749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my algorithm is basically that, with some extra tricks to also figure out the lengths < 1424008022 75343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, the algo there is a) not the same as mine, b) solves a subset of the problem < 1424008042 442100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theirs looks for matches at length n, mine finds all lengths n for which there are matches (together with the matches themselves) < 1424008101 306624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1424008138 842088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have "aaaaaa", how what does the output of the algorithm look like? Do you only look for longest matches? < 1424008221 922461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a^n as input, listing all occurrences of a^k for k_>'...) < 1424012844 368852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I am currently first on an anagolf problem: http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?utf8+to+unicode < 1424012860 452666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O3, also -Ofast exists for some reason < 1424012895 796099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, apparently -Ofast is -O3, plus optimizations that violate the relevant standards < 1424012923 764926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the case of C, it's equivalent to "-O3 -ffast-math" in the gcc I have installed) < 1424013668 814010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424013748 450674 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udalzzbkkzbzzpnf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424014333 936450 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EQUIVALENT CHICKEN < 1424015995 656414 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424016143 284247 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424018288 834059 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424018462 353983 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:c1ee:c4cd:c38d:3bd2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424019094 360759 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ec15:1d0:63aa:58eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1424019198 338224 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:c1ee:c4cd:c38d:3bd2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424019678 370952 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424020285 520958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03NeilK 5* 10New user account < 1424020392 882511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41905&oldid=41887 5* 03NeilK 5* (+17) 10HeartForth added < 1424020463 120340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever bot. or perhaps, a human ;) < 1424021066 827499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03NeilK 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:HeartForth Factorial.png10]]": A screenshot of HeartForth, an Emoji stack language. < 1424021338 345547 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424021467 329750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424021477 846391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424021516 315981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41907 5* 03NeilK 5* (+782) 10Initial page for HeartForth < 1424021570 920885 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::grinning::boom:0:revolving_hearts::point_right::two_hearts:1:heavy_minus_sign::two_hearts:1:pray::+1::point_right::couple_with_heart:0:pray::+1::revolving_hearts::broken_heart::wink: < 1424021650 932901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41908&oldid=41907 5* 03NeilK 5* (-2) 10/* Examples */ < 1424021713 634760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41909&oldid=41908 5* 03NeilK 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1424021761 540599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clean visual separation between program and data." < 1424021829 128676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:NeilK14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41910 5* 03NeilK 5* (+45) 10contact info < 1424021882 814767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41911&oldid=41909 5* 03NeilK 5* (+2) 10/* Disadvantages */ bulleted to match < 1424022067 748013 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424022676 89876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders whether the use of those emoji constitutes fair use < 1424022735 849477 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424022942 224878 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424023309 928493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is public domain, right < 1424023318 698277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or whatever" < 1424023326 598702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1424023329 334881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics themselves < 1424023334 981205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we just inline the actual emoji < 1424023345 528683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't do fair use anyway < 1424023347 776268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the wiki is meant to be pd < 1424023365 254085 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424023406 904221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgcc had up to -O6, I think. < 1424023441 479354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or egcs or whatever. Some GCC fork anyway. < 1424023960 109699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AFAIUI, fair use allows incorporation of copyrighted work into other works, which can then be relicensed as a whole. < 1424024013 653974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IANAL, etc.; also I'm not actually operating the wiki, so it's not my call to make anyway.) < 1424024208 605333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mobile network is strange. SSH works nice and fast, and web browsing was okay for an hour there, but then suddenly stopped. With the exception of Google searches. < 1424024215 263469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424024260 577390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should set up some sort of a VPN thing, in case it's some traffic shaping stuff. < 1424024262 891151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so use ssh -D to set up a socks proxy and use that? < 1424024299 463447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm on Android. I don't know how to do that here. < 1424024320 415535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. neither do I < 1424024337 29317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know this has some VPN settings in the network stuff. < 1424024502 406318 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ec15:1d0:63aa:58eb QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424024517 840938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently port forwarding in general is also a "pro" (aka paid) feature in this SSH client (JuiceSSH). < 1424024521 400534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424024770 381159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pro" < 1424024784 809561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like an expert ;-) < 1424024837 311842 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424025488 935256 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join the 10$ Crew, int-e < 1424027022 739455 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424027311 516450 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424027492 605565 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424027880 101970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424028213 897987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1424028274 406620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nih < 1424028440 674023 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you a knight or is that a lower-case "not invented here"? < 1424028565 980975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :por que no los dos < 1424028571 92098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- < 1424028633 899368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1424028636 438745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-*- < 1424029058 764922 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424029060 124229 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424029108 686542 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1424029368 472144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?¿;՞؟፧᥅⁇⁈⁉⍰❓❔⳺⳻⸮꘏꛷︖﹖ < 1424029499 180054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those all question marks < 1424029515 242490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. no, I don't think so. < 1424029524 743137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they all are; but I doubt that the list is complete) < 1424029544 158965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and bidirectional text that causes irssi/putty to show the time in reverse < 1424029550 45086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the ?! and !? ones are cheating.) < 1424029563 787060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? nice! < 1424029573 767903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't do that for me) < 1424029593 654635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw 24:02 int-e> ... < 1424029610 837073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1424029630 568637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's happened before as i recall < 1424029641 600934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tmux is also included < 1424029678 121491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the stack here is xterm/ssh/screen/irssi... so that's a bit different. < 1424029738 414715 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i don't have reversed anything. gnome terminal/irssi < 1424029755 980999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan must be special. < 1424029780 891752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1424029802 456815 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan < 1424029824 554568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ø < 1424029826 916351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00D8 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE] < 1424029834 314559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE CAN NEVER BE SURE < 1424029879 751421 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 〇◯○●◎ < 1424029880 477713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3007 IDEOGRAPHIC NUMBER ZERO] [U+25EF LARGE CIRCLE] [U+25CB WHITE CIRCLE] [U+25CF BLACK CIRCLE] [U+25CE BULLSEYE] < 1424029883 60707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i'm getting an "Ørjan, is that really my name" experience < 1424029906 890329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't find mixing up that letter with symbols for the empty set funny anymore. < 1424029921 281769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called mathematical maturity hth < 1424029932 66149 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I write my zeros < 1424029945 11987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hand? < 1424029950 612214 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, on paper < 1424029966 40619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you norteamericanos are weird < 1424030012 779739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we fight back with 1 and 7) < 1424030040 871170 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write 1 like | and 7 like an unclosed 9 < 1424030070 243921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cross out our 7's < 1424030079 526406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't look too similar to the 1's < 1424030117 700538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been reading the language construction kit < 1424030130 51438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ౸ < 1424030131 159367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0C78 TELUGU FRACTION DIGIT ZERO FOR ODD POWERS OF FOUR] < 1424030131 432270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still is, i guess.) < 1424030140 713428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds quite specific :) < 1424030177 226704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1424030252 658589 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like base 60 < 1424030345 170613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꘠↉ < 1424030346 145727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A620 VAI DIGIT ZERO] [U+2189 VULGAR FRACTION ZERO THIRDS] < 1424030364 304117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 60+ zero digits in unicode... < 1424030386 546901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ꘠ < 1424030387 720533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: lexical error at character '\42528' < 1424030406 623364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappoint, i thought haskell did unicode < 1424030451 259727 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it only supports some characters. I know perl allows $か as a variable name < 1424030460 702488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '꘠' < 1424030462 489240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : DecimalNumber < 1424030473 286819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '↉' < 1424030474 561525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : OtherNumber < 1424030486 537171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x꘠=0 in x꘠ < 1424030487 822200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1424030493 306883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl $か = 3; print $か < 1424030496 165862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "$か = 3; print $か": No such file or directory < 1424030500 954348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable names are fine < 1424030514 721735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should, of course, be a number < 1424030515 607751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runperl < 1424030516 112583 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e '$か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030516 413263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runperl: not found < 1424030516 695821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424030517 995249 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424030526 743415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: `perl -e < 1424030540 18472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``perl -e '$か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030540 746212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `perl: not found < 1424030547 439967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1424030548 156742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by coincidence, you don't need `` for it < 1424030549 472982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030550 377485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character \x81; marked by <-- HERE after $<-- HERE near column 3 at -e line 1. < 1424030566 761195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: use `perl -e without `` < 1424030586 155411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why does that work? < 1424030602 138516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i leave that as an exercise hth < 1424030645 33310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1424030655 867139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e$か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030657 32430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character \x81; marked by <-- HERE after $<-- HERE near column 3 at -e line 1. < 1424030663 229622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1424030686 744230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030690 307397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030710 72153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030710 973012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030726 572040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what oerjan meant. < 1424030745 887275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/perl* < 1424030757 362798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/perl-e < 1424030768 814984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also exists if you're too confused :) < 1424030775 147580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print 123 < 1424030776 123541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1424030776 730848 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use utf8; $夢 = "foo"; print $夢;' < 1424030777 555534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030787 766712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish, as oerjan would say. < 1424030881 931758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp perl use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030885 980412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030898 419212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modular version < 1424030925 522709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030926 684302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030951 974136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pl < 1424030954 588557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pl: not found < 1424030972 837756 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use utf8; $∀ = "foo"; print $∀;' < 1424030974 218953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected end of string) at -e line 1. \ Unrecognized character \x88; marked by <-- HERE after e utf8; $<-- HERE near column 12 at -e line 1. < 1424031000 648224 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nandatoooo!? < 1424031026 310932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the telugu number pages i checked don't seem to mention that character. < 1424031225 359426 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d91d:f1a6:ed01:2ed7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031252 652832 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031643 851562 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031704 313912 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d91d:f1a6:ed01:2ed7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424031861 625605 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031862 910367 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424032245 568764 :SignX!4dad5809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.173.88.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424032817 603253 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424032848 413656 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424033274 374118 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424033472 312785 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424033590 854104 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1424034416 898386 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1424034474 219527 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1424034536 508317 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424035120 376250 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424035971 250290 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424036091 63531 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424036107 109936 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424036548 370002 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424036549 358942 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424037313 5326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange Item {2} Artifact :: Cumulative upkeep--{1} or discard a card :: {T}: Put a token copy of ~ into play tapped and phased out. < 1424037375 350383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: phased out and cumulative upkeep? are you trying to do an Old Fogey? < 1424037386 112203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just like those abilities < 1424037398 145556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phasing scares me a bit < 1424037403 401319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phase out too < 1424037418 899776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a token phased out won't work anyways < 1424037434 898044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1424037447 770369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules say it doesn't for some reason < 1424037459 479296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... ok < 1424037469 246551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{T}: Put a token copy of ~ into play tapped. If ~ is a card, it phases out. < 1424037571 591507 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424037585 709363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steal Summoning {3UU} Instant :: Manifest target spell. Do you like that one? < 1424037629 992190 :SignX!4dad5809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.173.88.9 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1424037646 752063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm... how does that work? does the manifested object come into play under your control? and what happens if you target a copy of a spell? < 1424037688 929144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does come into play under your control. If it is a copy of a spell then it doesn't. < 1424037753 154048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but what happens if it's a copy of a spell? nothing? or does the spell disappear? or moved to another zone and then disappear? < 1424037823 879769 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424037842 696038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually I fixed my alternative rules now and now the copy can come into play as a token (previously I wrote it not to work with objects that come into play face-down, but I changed that) < 1424037880 605372 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424037883 566281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1424037934 870348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This rule doesn't affect any official cards as far as I am aware. < 1424037962 335112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure I know how manifest works < 1424037963 732169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also this alternative rule doesn't affect non-card objects that come into play from a zone other than the stack) < 1424037979 137326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this might confuse it further < 1424038038 615296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe manifesting an object means you put the object into play face-down under your control, and then it becomes allowed to be turned face-up for its mana cost if the front face is a creature. < 1424038065 635038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a instant or sorcery tries to turn face up for any reason, it is revealed but then remains face down. < 1424038074 694375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and there's some extra rules, like on what happens when you try to bounce a manifested non-permanent (it remains exiled) < 1424038094 503817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's implied by other rules and has nothing to do with manifest. < 1424038112 711772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any instant or sorcery that tries to come into play for any reason whatsoever instead remains where it is. < 1424038135 102963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what if I try to target a face down spell with Steal Summoning? does it get revealed as it is put onto the battlefield, or only when it leaves the battlefield? < 1424038168 398092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when it leaves the battlefield, although you can look at it right away. < 1424038183 389164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424038214 845770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not until Steal Summoning resolves; you can't look at it before then if it isn't your spell.) < 1424038279 850050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Steal Summoning” sounds like the name of that nonexistant instant that gets you to control a spell, which is why I find this a bit disappointing < 1424038304 884572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if a face-down permanent turns face-up and the front face is a Aura, that it would be discarded right away, but that if it is exiled and comes back, then a target for the Aura can be chosen. < 1424038330 875329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that sounds about right < 1424038382 770870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the face down spell should probably be revealed when Steal Summoning resolves though < 1424038402 509177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? I don't see any reason why it should have to? < 1424038422 610025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it leaves the stack in a way other than the normal way. < 1424038425 45717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the rule about revealing them apply to spells too? < 1424038433 996846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, then yes it does get revealed. < 1424038441 341773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1424038458 275185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to, to make sure you can't cheat by casting a non-morph spell face down < 1424038472 685259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so that M:tG in principle doesn't require an independent judge to play < 1424038480 364617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you know the rules perfectly < 1424038550 40377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check the rules, but that is definitely a goal the rules are trying to keep < 1424038644 984663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it is then < 1424038664 474233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“707.9. If a face-down permanent moves from the battlefield to any other zone, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. If a face-down spell moves from the stack to any zone other than the battlefield, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. < 1424038672 847151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a player leaves the game, etc” < 1424038685 881782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that means it wouldn't be revealed, because it's moved to the battlefield. < 1424038720 127136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means if you Scroll of Cryptic Runes a face down spell, it's also not revealed. < 1424038722 182854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK then it isn't revealed, and in fact doesn't need to anyways < 1424038740 314426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes OK < 1424038763 359320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though as this situation doesn't exist in official M:tG, you could change that rule for this < 1424038798 300389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to change rules that I don't believe should be changed < 1424038832 421608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's fine < 1424038870 257788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if putting a copy of a spell into play as a face down token could lead to any strange situations, but it's probably fine < 1424038908 382846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's face down, can't be turned face up in any way because its face is a sorcery or instant, and it disappears after it leaves the battlefield < 1424038977 830325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One other rule I made up is that an effect is allowed to prohibit conceding in a subgame, but the outer game can always be conceded regardless of any effects, including during the subgame < 1424039018 752544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1424039062 713770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work rules-wise, but I think it might be a bad idea < 1424039084 808755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it could make subgames take too much real time < 1424039109 118296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example the effect that creates the subgame might say that conceding is not allowed. In such case the outer game can still be conceded, and subsubgames still can be conceded if those aren't prohibited too. If a continuous effect says "Conceding is not allowed" then it has no effect if this effect isn't played inside of the subgame. < 1424039133 848684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you also make the rules about infinite loops not apply to the subgame directly as well? < 1424039161 146730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I didn't and am not sure about that one yet < 1424039247 858715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An effect that only says you can't lose doesn't prohibit you from conceding though. < 1424039273 373042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if it says you can't lose and your opponents can't win? < 1424039322 677580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't prohibit conceding. < 1424039330 475779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't subgames basically deprecated anyway, with all cards creating subgames currently banned in all formats, even Vintage? < 1424039362 90956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like Ante, only newer < 1424039391 563983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "unban target card" ) < 1424039449 932093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe although I made up one new card that creates a subgame. Also I wrote a few new rules for ante and sideboard; one effect is that all effects that cross games begin no earlier than the beginning of a match and end no later than the end of a match. Therefore anted cards are always returned at the end of a match. < 1424039470 817255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: like a backwards Look at Me, I'm the DCI? < 1424039532 420040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nice flavour text on that one. < 1424039604 280176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know "unban target card" should only work if the card was already unbanned at the beginning of the current game; even if it said "name a card" it still is < 1424039633 712966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or at least at the beginning of the match < 1424039637 480711 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subgames? < 1424039687 89197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that banned cards cease existing even in a sideboard though? < 1424039712 795132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you wouldn't be allowed to name a banned card. < 1424039755 437006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, they definitely cease existing in the sideboard. the remainder text of Look at Me is clear in that < 1424039771 236412 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it probably moves the banned cards to the same zone as AWOL < 1424039785 406990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even from the sideboard < 1424039835 241368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or like Blacker Lotus) < 1424039852 189037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean Chaos Confetti) < 1424039958 755876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also make the assumption that cards with no valid RULECARD representation are automatically banned regardless of anything < 1424039980 475443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "RULECARD"? < 1424040009 617912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programming language I partially made up but not much yet < 1424040054 910957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, then maybe the card doesn't have a representation because you just haven't implemented it yet? < 1424040078 190480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hypothetical for now of course. < 1424040140 991896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the relevant rule is “100.2. To play, each player needs his or her own deck of traditional Magic cards,” and “108.2. When a rule or text on a card refers to a “card,” it means only a Magic card.” < 1424040174 960896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tourn't rules I guess < 1424040201 261867 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424040881 315931 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424041499 721542 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424041674 180863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the Famicom working now. < 1424041715 144792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After cleaning up the cartridge < 1424042351 833334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell people who made PDJSON that I fixed the bug and interfaced it with SQLite. < 1424042396 941802 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424042466 125270 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424042600 441235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how to tell them by myself) < 1424042600 594009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1424042614 9655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424042699 148047 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1424043429 85229 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424043919 668359 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424044205 357139 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424044685 845718 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424044966 512212 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1424045348 380436 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424045414 835335 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424046062 345175 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424046298 383115 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424047478 291871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 anyway, 1972 is over 25 years ago <-- 40 hth < 1424047478 478141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424047520 809806 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that makes no sense < 1424047529 519531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 years is, like, 2 of my lifetimes < 1424047570 935369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know jesus was born more than 100 of your lifetimes ago hth < 1424047635 445302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1424047651 724877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't he born in, like, 6 BC < 1424047666 728331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. < 1424047701 600866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying it's only 99? < 1424047730 223657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2015 - 20 * 100 < 1424047731 513197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 < 1424047740 855901 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying it's 101 < 1424047774 552322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the date is a bit approximate so... < 1424047935 634196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the great pyramid was finished more than 227 of your lifetimes ago hth < 1424048040 227022 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's 111 of your life times ago then, oerjan? < 1424048057 34101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 111*44 < 1424048058 351722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4884 < 1424048076 467686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT QUITE < 1424048103 389997 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks good... wow I can't remember when the great pyramids were built. < 1424048113 498279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ google it hth < 1424048153 559198 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. I know Chleopatra lived closer in time to the moon landings than the building of those pyramids. < 1424048167 254583 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can figure this out without google. < 1424048178 149014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i resolved the other day to look up the date for the fall of constantinople, only so i could give a cheeky in case someone asked me when the roman empire fell. < 1424048210 488212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleopatra was only about 50 years before jesus < 1424048250 681586 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how Western Civilisation gradual moved eastward over the centuries. < 1424048263 761026 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italy, Turkey... then Russia. < 1424048277 689978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually just 30, she survived caesar by some years < 1424048285 947823 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mistake 50 BCE with 50CE. < 1424048302 976413 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Together with Marky Marc. < 1424048305 876563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well it first moved westward from greece hth < 1424048318 390910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it probably never left greece, which included turkey < 1424048319 407340 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True that. < 1424048337 624303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: fall of constantinople) < 1424048368 280053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 1453 < 1424048384 599014 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 1467 (I think)? < 1424048417 220217 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's some different views about the exact date. < 1424048421 897081 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wikipedia! < 1424048440 435339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1424048469 157531 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blurgh. < 1424048510 711142 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. I must be confusing the confusion with something else. < 1424048537 241893 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1424048567 603773 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424048750 844869 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1424048846 839835 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424048918 704438 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424048966 716674 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really enjoying Linear Algebra < 1424048981 232956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I ought to go to sleep now so I can get to my LA lecture in 9 hours < 1424049088 835298 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424049133 288567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+answer < 1424049365 290770 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424049549 358460 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424049578 217597 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424051602 847602 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424052839 528651 :v^!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424052976 367495 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424053255 624272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1424054264 175900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1424054601 982342 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SEMILATTICE CHICKEN < 1424055680 373397 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424056557 616982 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424056820 960794 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424057571 177709 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424058095 605541 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424058771 733020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5* 10moved [[02A programming language is an artificial language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.10]] to [[A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.]]: Updating to reflect new first sentence of Wik < 1424058944 394499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41914&oldid=41912 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+122) 10changed name of language, to match Wikipedia entry < 1424059011 523295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb prepending a paragraph saying just "brainfuck" to the wikipedia page < 1424059052 630246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41915&oldid=41914 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+149) 10/* Overview */ < 1424059959 557551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm freefall mystery solved < 1424060086 365777 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424060194 304274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think he may have retconned the previous one < 1424060233 254526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly thought it implied more clearly that there was just one order < 1424060288 924255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the last bubble in today's is lampshading it. < 1424060738 552563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424060738 822385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum unfortunately links directly to the same image url < 1424061288 484007 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424061562 811959 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424061576 914531 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424063048 299798 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424063114 700885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah mark stanley admits to having forgotten it < 1424064150 19680 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424065169 622423 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424066244 252222 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424068033 409663 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrvxkzhfcrptjhaq JOIN :#esoteric < 1424068843 270610 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424069867 12779 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424070396 388328 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424070398 262065 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424070474 807739 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424070493 113029 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424070528 9681 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424072501 953391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424074502 857393 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424074598 575005 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424075768 447321 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424075788 143369 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424076831 420325 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424076859 427230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424078049 681051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAKMEM says "The myth that any given programming language is machine independent is easily exploded by computing the sum of powers of 2. [...] If arithmetic overflow is a fatal error, some fascist pig [...] is trying to enforce machine independence. But the very ability to trap overflow is machine dependent." < 1424078055 318354 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424078074 112508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it could be implemented in a machine independent way actually, although that might slow down the program. < 1424078142 35961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also most computer in use today is twos complement, and if it isn't you can still imitate such things) < 1424078288 143472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1424078290 191200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also item 149 is algorithm to draw circle. With arithmetic bit shifting it would be: for(;;) { x-=y>>n; y+=x>>n; plot(x,y); } where n is a parameter, and the initial value of x and y are parameters. < 1424078326 308748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could set n=8 to do it with 8-bit computers. < 1424078411 459534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could do it with only addition and subtraction (and carrying)! < 1424078493 556164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (1 + 1/256^2) < 1424078495 69332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000076293654276 < 1424078518 244604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1/2^15 < 1424078519 646271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.000030517578125 < 1424078528 444605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1/2^17 < 1424078529 893735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000076293945313 < 1424078998 499210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424079843 536017 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424079944 674171 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :jameseb < 1424080314 907411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1424081867 639049 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't come up with a real world use for the .map function" " it's a treatment for a symptom from anonymous functions, that you shouldn't even use in the first place." ... these kids today. < 1424082256 329924 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1424082280 329956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lap is like the best thing ever < 1424082371 44294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! it should be called "collect" or "transform" < 1424082530 41387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect is just plain wrong < 1424082785 953938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? collect is what smalltalk uses, it can't be wrong. < 1424082813 215130 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424082894 660604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(together with select, inject, detect) < 1424082896 913158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424083342 813207 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424083425 770667 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect sounds more like reduce/fold but nothing like map < 1424083451 182508 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424083816 913592 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :real world use of map function: activation function over weighted sum output, in neural network. < 1424083824 946895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's computer jargon, fixed once smalltalk got popular enough. just like how "||" now means logical or even if you think it seems more like string concatenation. < 1424083844 316712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's better than "map" which means two different things < 1424083860 383397 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1424083860 530129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduce is called "inject" in smalltalk < 1424083877 837223 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inject sounds weird < 1424083888 870304 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only familiar with the map from perl < 1424083937 337745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, "map" means collect/transform in perl, but means dictionary or associative array in C++ or haskell < 1424083996 280070 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well those meaning are related through the math meaning of it. < 1424084008 675969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "select" is _much_ worse < 1424084016 79896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means like ten different things in computers < 1424084017 995624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a list < 1424084037 831774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for that, I recommend "filter" instead, which is what haskell calls it < 1424084041 490413 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still picture the select button from my gameboy when I read the word select < 1424084045 748976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "find_all" if you prefer < 1424084064 648251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=295576 has the list on how many things "select" means < 1424084073 47943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the game boy button isn't listed < 1424084425 194377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424084447 22836 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424084528 906968 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424085602 282672 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424085635 908319 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424085876 904078 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424086181 964667 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424086693 819123 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424086913 993733 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424087280 606024 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424088676 897553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: map is collect in Haskell... < 1424088677 502753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map < 1424088678 342671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1424088687 228048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also Data.Map though, yeah) < 1424088688 706468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and fmap) < 1424088717 120326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, right, in Haskell it means _both_ < 1424089328 469665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TRIMETHYLXANTHINE CHICKEN < 1424090248 532323 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424091415 570685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424093161 610703 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424093555 870187 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424093767 842050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424094112 990126 :NihilistDandy!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424094702 306501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424094814 996986 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424094853 475157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1424095282 914792 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424095481 934221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A trick here is to use keyboard macros to do the boilerplate." Oh the horror. < 1424095663 660965 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424095905 668353 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Quine < 1424095937 793237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure a quine collection does that well at comparing languages < 1424095969 141474 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424096003 139198 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that burlesque quine sucks D: < 1424096094 534295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a better one? < 1424096112 879279 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tnot good at burleque < 1424096158 471168 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1=(write '#1# :circle t) this common lisp one is very funny < 1424096216 139853 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :canwe please disallow self evaluating forms as "quines" :| < 1424096217 916289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I picked 25 because that's when patents expire < 1424096218 62676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424096273 957982 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the frink one < 1424096334 88938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think you could do better for Befunge < 1424096337 819760 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) ; <3 < 1424096355 551465 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ HQ9+ < 1424096359 186480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a mismatched double quote character to put the entire program both inside and outside itself < 1424096369 88129 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, woah :D < 1424096373 464409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that java one by int-e < 1424096407 342793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like, a string but you enter from orthogonally (or through a trampoline) so it's also not a string? < 1424096422 399926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do something similar in perl and lua, when I both eval a string a use its value < 1424096423 884146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have one that works like that on the wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge#Quine < 1424096427 416681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to do better though < 1424096436 380404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there's such an obfuscation for dc too) < 1424096453 791278 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is a room. To quit: (- quit; -). When play begins: say entry 1 in Q; say Q in brace notation; quit. Q is a list of text variable. Q is {"R is a room. To quit: (- quit; -). When play begins: say entry 1 in Q; say Q in brace notation; quit. Q is a list of text variable. Q is "} < 1424096458 547623 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Inform! < 1424096480 580877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my favourite style of quine is one that's easy to translate to any language, < 1424096488 774720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely one where you index an array of strings with an array of numbers < 1424096492 207303 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like seeing the different categories of quine < 1424096493 55603 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC's is my favorite: 10 LIST < 1424096496 796079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096497 646837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096501 941616 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used that one as a kid for something IIRC. < 1424096550 664710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ;@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)'''';';';';@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)' < 1424096551 276223 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ;@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)'''';';';';@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)' < 1424096555 490297 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[h=~/./g]")[h=~/./g] < 1424096558 799564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+( < 1424096562 261340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ;2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{'''';';';';2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{' < 1424096562 908313 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ;2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{'''';';';';2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{' < 1424096570 311664 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is g1012131121212133121414 ? < 1424096590 364361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it's a bareword, a string literal < 1424096615 482552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>,#:_@#-2*66 < 1424096619 647387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 0<>,#:_@#-2*66 . < 1424096634 299057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on HackEgo < 1424096638 320040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put the EOF onto the playfield < 1424096652 988598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I forgot a comma < 1424096656 619478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>,#:_@#,-2*66 < 1424096657 600541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ "<>,#:_@#,-2*66 . < 1424096658 879990 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424096687 483431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm handling the end of the string wrong < 1424096689 623572 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096689 770321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it there < 1424096690 223417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+("print+(""\"",",","\\",")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096693 670542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#,-2*66 < 1424096694 584209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ "<>:#,_@#,-2*66 < 1424096733 708282 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to matter, what the name of g is.. why? < 1424096815 379286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: any letter instead of g works < 1424096830 664555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1424096833 905660 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you expplain what it does < 1424096839 379265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf is also putting an EOF on the playfield < 1424096846 791812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you need a letter, because if you wrote 01017131121212133121414 it would stringify as exponential < 1424096860 522362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 1017131121212133121414 < 1424096863 66488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.01713112121213e+21 < 1424096865 162702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 01017131121212133121414 < 1424096865 676249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9496725008436470540 < 1424096873 483940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint g1017131121212133121414 < 1424096874 223948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424096880 870413 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asking about the number < 1424096952 460960 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g8888=~/./g]")[g8888=~/./g] < 1424096952 977147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+( < 1424096967 408274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1118888=~/./g]")[g1118888=~/./g] < 1424096968 12937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+(""" < 1424096993 109531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("zero ","one ","two ","three ")[3,1,0,0,1] < 1424096993 741997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three one zero zero one < 1424097002 153178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("zero ","one ","two ","three ")[31001=~/./g] < 1424097002 996604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three one zero zero one < 1424097006 291274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ^ < 1424097015 950752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the digits are indexes to a list of strings < 1424097032 616821 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1424097039 558041 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424097041 630460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it works in almost any language, because you can create a list of strings in almost any language, and a list of integers too, and index one by the other < 1424097056 442583 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will not be so short, probably < 1424097066 822919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's not as short as other quines, not even in perl < 1424097079 836077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also not very long < 1424097082 13963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41916&oldid=41873 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ site has moved < 1424097092 700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a kilobyte long quine in C long ago < 1424097092 147363 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one you wrote in J uses the same idea < 1424097097 343635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424097103 85802 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1424097115 576327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=661934 has shorter quines in perl < 1424097137 424465 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424097141 809209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1424097145 869206 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a new quine today which im proud of < 1424097148 540983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this online IDE crashed when I divided by zero < 1424097153 505768 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1424097156 166199 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't divide by zero! < 1424097157 323406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge 00/@ < 1424097162 165038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: this is befunge, though < 1424097166 872015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has defined behaviour on dividing by zero < 1424097168 977434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't that < 1424097171 989251 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1424097188 108404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424097235 925207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: online befunge IDE? < 1424097239 183997 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1424097245 701636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www.tutorialspoint.com/compile_befunge_online.php < 1424097248 116653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that good, though < 1424097250 497116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't even divide by zero < 1424097260 829156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for an online debugger though < 1424097260 975655 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wrote a quine on perl whichs loads up the perlmonks thread and prints that post out < 1424097269 693160 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the post containing his own quine haha < 1424097294 180529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not putting an EOF on the playfield < 1424097311 36495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any online befunge interpreter < 1424097314 136917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1424097317 866530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't hackego have one? < 1424097322 492823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the other bot < 1424097324 700292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1424097329 12182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here it is: http://www.quirkster.com/iano/js/befunge.html < 1424097384 471729 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save the following line to a file named "/tmp/p" and run as: perl /tmp/p < 1424097384 618746 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal division by zero at /tmp/p line 1. < 1424097508 29255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: kimian quine < 1424097517 561105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that that gives a divide-by-zero, though < 1424097524 706608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it'd fail to parse after three barewords < 1424097531 879554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl one two three four five siz < 1424097532 975512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "five" via package "siz" (perhaps you forgot to load "siz"?) at /tmp/input.290 line 1. < 1424097534 403902 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424097536 391931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl one two three four five six < 1424097537 352521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "five" via package "six" (perhaps you forgot to load "six"?) at /tmp/input.290 line 1. < 1424097542 327262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl one two three < 1424097544 531948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "one" via package "two" (perhaps you forgot to load "two"?) at /tmp/input.291 line 1. < 1424097550 753244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, exactly < 1424097566 252234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl Illegal division by zero at /tmp/input.292 line 1. < 1424097572 394050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bareword found where operator expected at /tmp/input.290 line 1, near "292 line" \ (Missing operator before line?) \ Number found where operator expected at /tmp/input.290 line 1, near "line 1." \ (Do you need to predeclare line?) \ syntax error at /tmp/input.290 line 1, near "292 line " \ Execution of /tmp/input.290 aborted due to compilation er < 1424097593 465861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it seems that the chained barewords can be interpreted as one big chain of method calls < 1424097737 406970 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! error < 1424097738 182178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/error: not found < 1424097748 509759 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrvxkzhfcrptjhaq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424097748 656193 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! /hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/error: not found < 1424097749 196737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin//hackenv/bin/!:: not found < 1424097755 947633 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! /hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin//hackenv/bin/!:: not found < 1424097756 553316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin//hackenv/bin/!:: not found < 1424097760 224095 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1424097770 754558 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if missing `! is ok < 1424097838 10567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a hackego quine? < 1424097840 388394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^quine < 1424097847 164860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot isn't here < 1424097848 933349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine < 1424097881 285662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1424097919 954237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1424097932 18037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine worked by grepping the logs for the most recent `quine command < 1424097965 131158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1424098026 353959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, befunge calls it "bridge", not "trampoline" < 1424098046 482218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#0,-2*66 < 1424098047 389571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :????-??-??.txt :O < 1424098047 535818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​" < 1424098049 215312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was developped by hardware guys who know how wires work < 1424098058 364407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098059 288570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098063 432082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go :-) < 1424098078 379147 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome !!! < 1424098079 345937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge, could you use the g command to read the program? < 1424098079 815016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add a bunch of trailing spaces because this Befunge interp puts EOF on the playfield for some reason < 1424098087 210468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, you could < 1424098090 868616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this way's more elegant though < 1424098094 388036 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha'ts really short < 1424098100 615891 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`x < 1424098101 586592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: x: not found < 1424098125 297208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424098142 193568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the shortest befunge quine on anagolf works like you suggest < 1424098153 76171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0g:,%1+ and a NUL character, by flagitious < 1424098196 425358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, how does your quine work? doesn't befunge start at the top left corner going right? if so, the double quote puts it to string mode but how does it exit that? < 1424098199 70538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the look of it, that relies on the program exiting upon mod-0, which probably counts as cheating < 1424098205 147910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the program wraps around < 1424098210 123570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424098213 943344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote is both the start and end of the string < 1424098218 85951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I think is so elegant < 1424098219 699410 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the best type of cheating :D < 1424098246 612653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098247 513125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 66*2-,1#@_,#:>< < 1424098252 907528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's why I needed the 0 < 1424098259 240050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098263 626887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098306 839875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 "0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098314 585190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098319 437261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still works :-) < 1424098325 744580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 '"r:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098326 697685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​" r:#,_@#1,-2*66 '" < 1424098343 655989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,,@hello < 1424098344 499126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424098350 449792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge ",,,@hello < 1424098351 142089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge: not found < 1424098352 533975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 '"r:#,_@# < 1424098354 686515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r:#,_@# '" < 1424098357 544479 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine :- < 1424098357 691150 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : listing(quine). < 1424098361 605982 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im disappointed with hte prolog quine < 1424098373 70978 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hink this shoudn't count < 1424098375 931464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cheat-quine < 1424098379 845536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon we can do better < 1424098389 891299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think about this < 1424098393 705932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have prolog in HackEgo? < 1424098403 784353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! prolog :- write("test"). < 1424098404 646425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/prolog: not found < 1424098407 26952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1424098409 284902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try this local then < 1424098415 872111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to understand this befunge stuff < 1424098421 917533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge ",,, < 1424098422 441843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge: not found < 1424098424 617831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swish.swi-prolog.org/ this is a prolog < 1424098426 119080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,, < 1424098426 967229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1424098431 706420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,, < 1424098435 580603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1424098440 551539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,, < 1424098441 515304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424098450 111241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the stack isn't even starting full of zeroes? < 1424098452 938537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that interp sucks < 1424098490 951997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick, code a better one in two lines of perl or C or something and teach it to HackEgo < 1424098533 212174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<@,,, < 1424098534 785014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<@, < 1424098572 128373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<@>,,,,@# < 1424098572 978064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<@>,,,,@ < 1424098578 419379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<@>,,,,,@# < 1424098579 385444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<@>,,,,,@# < 1424098686 161879 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1424098714 792932 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quore is missing < 1424098754 661217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424098760 775550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you have to add that < 1424098794 996173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why ais has that 66*2- thing in his < 1424098803 885279 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts < let iter a b = a+b +1 in let again = 1:1: zipWith iter again (tail again) in take 8 again < 1424126782 429543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,3,5,9,15,25,41] < 1424126807 833306 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let iter a b = a+b +1 in let again = 1:1: zipWith iter again (tail again) in unwords . map show . take 8 $ again < 1424126809 204592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 1 3 5 9 15 25 41" < 1424126886 490498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1424126886 636884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 8h 31m 8s ago: I picked 25 because that's when patents expire < 1424126890 796794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1424126977 245159 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424126998 325414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are evil hth < 1424127327 713487 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote patents < 1424127334 434710 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? patents < 1424127335 780609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :457) software patents strike again that's got to be at least three times, now are they out yet? \ 1059) patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1424127346 671852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1424127578 507447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are devices that allow lawyers to profit from other people's inventions. < 1424127621 452007 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a patent lawyer that knows that feel < 1424127647 991121 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tihnk a really long paper was written about the entirety of the patent system < 1424127655 165412 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask them for it < 1424127670 868 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it'd send them right out of a job, they are retiring age anyways < 1424127685 128813 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ah, but in mathematics, almost nothing is a sequence of bytes! < 1424127725 42416 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're the kind of mathematician who believes that the only objects which "really exist" are computer programs. < 1424127734 321021 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And things representable as computer programs. < 1424127751 418690 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only objects that really exist are, um, actual objects < 1424127769 443975 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like laptops, or coffee beans < 1424127770 919882 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more stallman in this channel < 1424127771 614115 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ins't an object. < 1424127781 317157 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isnt' < 1424127785 94163 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "antimathematician", who believes that no abstract mathematical objects exist at all. < 1424127796 19334 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad < 1424127797 832378 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do < 1424127806 669482 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isn't a category < 1424127816 967347 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition is commutative? Well, it depends on which sorts of objects you're moving around. < 1424127856 245424 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they're, say, water and sulfuric acid? Any chemistry student knows that water plus sulfuric acid is not the same thing as sulfuric acid plus water. < 1424127912 552307 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But adding acid to watta is how you oughtta. < 1424127912 992529 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case, an accident waiting to happen (the acid will sploosh) in the other way it is safe < 1424127936 103847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that from grade 12 chem < 1424127978 358261 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't beleive Nethack supposedly thinks of everything, but makes water the only clear potion. < 1424128011 274066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :magick < 1424128016 948786 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL most liquids are clear < 1424128021 441116 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Nethack characters perceive the world entirely through scent. Water is the only unscented potion. < 1424128054 602280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oren some tea water with hardly any polonium in it < 1424128067 330427 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johnny was a Chemist's Son would make a great special death screen, though. < 1424128069 618897 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can they make out detailed images, you ask? < 1424128078 626234 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the reason for the rule, but then I learnt the rule both backwards and forwards, so I don't know what you're supposed to do to avoid the acid splashing accident < 1424128107 442412 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :add acid to water, and use a stirring stick to guide the stream < 1424128116 487453 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acid to watta, just like you outta. < 1424128117 196947 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I haven't had a reason to mix acid and water < 1424128136 62511 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not water to acid, that's stupid and placid. < 1424128153 974758 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple. They have special organs which smell photons. The photons are focused by refractive elements. < 1424128166 320432 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "placid" means "peaceful". (Right?) < 1424128167 108017 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water In Acid spells "wise" in swedish, so it sounds like that would be the rule :) < 1424128301 173023 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, making mixed drinks usually involves mixing acids with water < 1424128312 877164 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not strong ones < 1424128318 55429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: syre og vann går an, men vann og syre er uhyre hth < 1424128320 250230 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though *typically* you don't make mixed drinks with particularly dangerous acids. < 1424128329 239599 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant lazy. < 1424128348 161781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1424128352 992433 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mange takk < 1424128353 618979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/og/i/g < 1424128364 840490 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unless you consider Coke. It's dilute, but Coke has phosphoric acid in it. < 1424128369 784937 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be crazy dangerous. < 1424128388 569221 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca cola is a common part of mixed drink < 1424128413 561047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should add coca cola to rum, not the other way round < 1424128430 989322 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1424128451 467926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rule applies specifically to sulfuric acid, doesn't it? < 1424128466 977069 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true of most possibly-dangerous acids. < 1424128475 444111 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just more so of sulfuric. < 1424128486 514078 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424128487 775679 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i learned it we were using hydrochloric acid < 1424128537 21821 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, suppose you dilute sulfuric acid to the point where it just has a mildly sour taste. < 1424128547 770681 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dangerous would it be to drink? < 1424128595 225026 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arright, I'm going to see if the definition of a topos allows you to define a topos in a topos. < 1424128620 48383 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine it would be very good to drink. Sulfur is not particularly good in biology. < 1424128630 153548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. tswettception < 1424128702 37758 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine hydrochloric acid would be safer < 1424128727 725091 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the chlorine in salt you eat go? < 1424128757 30343 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it go into urine? < 1424128793 283192 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read tiny bits about the medical significance of positive ions like sodium and potassium, but I don't know anything about the significance of chloride. < 1424128804 492461 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it's in stomach acid. < 1424128825 243019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chloride ions are apparently used in the kidneys. < 1424128851 255953 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few other random weird places. < 1424128876 745089 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but how do they exit the body? < 1424128893 219280 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh. For instance it's used to balance the acidity of the blood. < 1424128908 45459 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably urine. < 1424128948 650927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually definitely. < 1424128965 110863 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. A topos is a category with all equalizers, all finite products, and all power objects? < 1424129003 607930 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. It's used in the body and excess is excreted in urine. < 1424129034 636690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: apparently, sodium sulfate is not toxic, so the main danger of sulfuric acid should be its corrosiveness < 1424129044 340978 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well then, there you go. < 1424129044 973830 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh silly me. stomach acid -is- HCl, so of course HCl would be safe to eat as long as it's not strong enough to burn < 1424129051 235635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also believing patent is bad things. Maybe it may have been a bit useful much in the past, but these days it is very bad. < 1424129126 230971 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424129159 446632 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how would you define a "topos in a topos"... < 1424129217 224255 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd have to be an object Ob which is the object of objects. < 1424129251 445000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what you want is a family Ar of objects indexed by Ob * Ob. < 1424129260 681358 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Ob * Ob need not be a set. < 1424129313 279343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that sweat also contains salt < 1424129419 688246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm seems to be sodium but not chlorine < 1424129451 683172 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so sweating a lot will leave you with excess chlorine? < 1424129617 755972 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424129802 223836 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424129972 925224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Unlicensed files OK on esolang wiki? Is WTFPL licensed files OK on esolang wiki? Unlicense is public domain too like CC0 is; I believe WTFPL is also effectively public domain, but I don't know what wiki administration would have you believe about such thing. < 1424130038 145771 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1424130067 609271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The WTFPL license text itself though requires only that modified versions of the license aren't called the same as the original.) < 1424130132 979322 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424130195 925395 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424130214 316028 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You certainly can't put copyrighted stuff there without a license. < 1424130232 41736 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-oizspvzjutucgddp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424130236 415674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm guessing the problem might be that simple licenses like WTFPL won't successfully release as many rights as CC0 in all jurisdictions? < 1424130327 878423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secondary problem is that even if it does, it would take significant work from lawyers to clarify that it does < 1424130334 220033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it does allow you to relicense it under CC0 and treat it as if it is always CC0. < 1424130367 995373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it says so explicitly it should be ok? < 1424130373 666017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1424130408 76062 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be an interesting copyright license: "You are permitted to release this work under any license." < 1424130408 909010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it just says that you "DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO"; they say that implies anything can be done, so that would include relicensing under CC0 like that < 1424130427 763952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or making it just public domain if that is legal in your jurisdiction < 1424130429 938375 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually let you do much directly, but you could just give yourself a license to do whatever. < 1424130444 354529 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, making things public domain is a felony in my jurisdiction. < 1424130447 679811 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB: Just kidding.) < 1424130473 400749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only restriction is that modified version of the license itself cannot be called WTFPL. < 1424130520 500031 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a discordian license? < 1424130536 488800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless it seems unlikely that any program licensed by WTFPL is one you would likely need to post on esolang wiki, but it is something that might happen. < 1424130557 112508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know. I think it is just public domain isn't it? < 1424130579 925661 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may use software under this license only if you disregard the terms of this license. < 1424130667 485119 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may release this work under any license except this license or any other license the work has previously been released under. < 1424130690 187646 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424130734 803797 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more work, it should require that the new license includes that clause or something sufficiently like it < 1424130764 602029 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1: Sells software usnder a closed source license with a "this licesne may be changed at time without notice" clause. < 1424130778 37020 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 2: Wait for it to be sued widely among software developers. < 1424130789 614796 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may release this work under any license L as long as you can give a proof that L does not allow anyone to release the work under this license. < 1424130811 810098 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 3: Without notice, change your license to make it so anyone using it needs to relase any software developed on the same comptuer to the public domain. < 1424130852 966978 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: only "this license"? not L too? < 1424130887 327980 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This license", yes. < 1424130913 964085 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This license isn't indicate dto be L, though. < 1424130933 220110 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This license" is the license I just stated, not L. < 1424130949 228550 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1424130969 180700 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424131251 278193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424131487 882146 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I really like how you can define stuff in the language of categories. < 1424131499 887668 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on, I want everything to be defined in the language of categories. < 1424131508 679813 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm working on defining "category" in the language of categories. < 1424131546 326564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the language of categories < 1424131565 291900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already mentioned that godawful topology book i once read, i think < 1424131586 347730 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what's a topological space in the language of categories... < 1424131874 665496 :Sketra!~Eolus@c-76-28-149-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424131882 792040 :Sketra!~Eolus@c-76-28-149-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION burns the house down < 1424132229 600826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the bride in her wedding gown < 1424132499 321482 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424132511 109803 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424132624 106600 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and barfing a lot will leave you with excess sodium < 1424132724 299802 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424132883 157116 :Sketra!~Eolus@c-76-28-149-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. what?! < 1424133265 238909 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424133333 339523 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424134020 560003 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424134154 356193 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424135033 201205 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424135071 594631 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424135582 624302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bear has been noticed < 1424135613 203405 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424135617 608856 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424135626 758348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's the king < 1424135777 287512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424135913 414625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are at least three different IRC clients called PHIRC. < 1424136143 573916 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope none of them are written in PHP. < 1424136163 647796 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424136241 863520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually some are < 1424136465 333766 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424136722 345825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is the one I wrote. I wrote it because I don't like any other IRC clients. I wrote in PHP but would want to eventually rewrite it in C, however I don't quite understand making internet connection with a C code. < 1424136981 584425 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.93.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424137242 839912 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424137342 888231 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424137633 397601 :Sketra!~Eolus@c-76-28-149-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424137839 545205 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.93.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424138077 39691 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.93.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424138153 347543 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write out the definition of a topos in a topos. < 1424138159 712708 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing's complicated. < 1424138379 655031 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be a problem with that < 1424138389 925340 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about using ZFC+ < 1424138400 752142 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1424138840 556356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would grothendieck do < 1424138860 315718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from running away into the forest) < 1424139022 533330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my brain just vetoed me trying to read about topoi again < 1424139122 905676 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424139336 223851 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424139349 143931 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it is pretty straightforward. < 1424139369 548418 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A topos in a topos consists of these objects, and these arrows with these commutative diagrams... < 1424139391 899548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the universe explodes. < 1424139416 638001 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then all of a sudden one of the things you need isn't an object, or an arrow, or a commutative diagram. < 1424139438 774011 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a frickin' mapping from this collection of arrows to that collection of arrows. < 1424139451 339318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this n-categorical < 1424139462 739892 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It's just a topos. < 1424139489 69254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also that sounds like a functor. < 1424139546 579963 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda. < 1424139609 88874 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is it < 1424139757 376773 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's this: "An arrow EQ with certain properties. For all arrows M with the same properties, an arrow U with these other properties in relation to EQ and M." < 1424139865 587801 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424140151 981973 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424140257 598034 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but topoi are cartesian closed. < 1424140306 448623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that last thing is really just an arrow again. I think. < 1424140374 812381 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M is an arrow A -> B and U is also an arrow A -> B, so this "for all arrows M with these properties, an arrow U with those properties" is really just a single arrow (A -> B) -> (A -> B). < 1424140380 682970 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not quite. < 1424140476 83128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because having A -> B as a codomain doesn't express the restrictions which M has. < 1424141349 916645 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.93.99 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424141350 657158 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424141444 829179 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424141480 36309 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424141777 100001 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424141873 147754 :arjanb!8259adb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.178 QUIT :Quit: . < 1424143110 946464 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424143217 330099 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424143329 925303 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424143715 217551 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424144010 643571 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424144658 505040 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424144780 499763 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424144978 122059 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424145002 942743 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424145244 660802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. the plural of topos is topoi? < 1424145413 182131 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424145758 505580 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkloiyryhlfszgtq JOIN :#esoteric < 1424145779 945666 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424146191 365893 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424146618 622106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's a greek plurla < 1424146620 196399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*al < 1424146672 184901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think -os/-oi is about as common in greek as -us/-i in latin < 1424146833 831332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and essentially derive from the same suffixes in indoeuropean < 1424148290 157053 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424149245 398424 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424151336 655252 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424151357 419149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is still one kind of question I have not received a satisfactory answer which has to do with automatically filling in the frequent words table for a Z-machine story file. < 1424154469 195209 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424154500 358385 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424156859 329961 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424156869 708106 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha! < 1424156881 374962 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan kick bluckbot < 1424156935 29624 :merdach!~r@c-71-59-196-85.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424156975 515045 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ithe the channel that shares an abstract kind of feels, through the magic of math, and esotera < 1424156997 87655 :merdach!~r@c-71-59-196-85.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1424156999 473700 :merdach!~r@c-71-59-196-85.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424157013 21136 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the channel of esolang wiki < 1424157015 841861 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is odd < 1424157025 720739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome merdach < 1424157029 706101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :merdach: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1424157086 919838 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cock a b = a+b +1 in butt = 1:1: zipWith cock butt (tail butt) in unwords . map show . take 8 $ butt < 1424157088 31430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:31: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1424157160 318463 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1424157251 378575 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> butt = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) butt (tail butt) in unwords . map show . take 8 $ butt < 1424157252 435169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:6: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1424157266 420234 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let butt = 1:1: zipWith (\a b -> a+b+1) butt (tail butt) in unwords . map show . take 8 $ butt < 1424157267 937191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 1 3 5 9 15 25 41" < 1424157312 230384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41918&oldid=41703 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+15) 10noted Kipple's Deadfish. < 1424157482 478553 :gelos_!47ed587c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.237.88.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424157484 408275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what "this ithe the channel that shares an abstract kind of feels, through the magic of math, and esotera" is meaning, although it doesn't seem to be spelled correctly anyways, and possibly the grammar is also unclear. < 1424158065 650059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dulla inviting people here ors omething < 1424158090 356026 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluckbot is a bot < 1424158408 715825 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424159211 270613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people and bots < 1424159776 957834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: your variable naming scheme needs work hth < 1424160347 306454 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424160415 168551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ′ < 1424160416 123482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2032 PRIME] < 1424162127 996038 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you prefer, oerjan < 1424162234 305212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with less shock words < 1424162464 801838 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tingle = repeat 1 in take 5 tingle < 1424162466 109417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,1,1,1] < 1424162721 933669 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let gently = sum . map 1 in gently [3,6,9] < 1424162723 212450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> c)) < 1424162723 358684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_11369’ < 1424162723 358828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> c), < 1424162747 380243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1424162749 943405 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let gently = sum . map (\a -> 1) in gently [3,6,9] < 1424162751 300346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1424162767 42887 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424162767 973575 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424162782 332439 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tenderly a = 1 in let gently = sum . map tenderly in gently [3,6,9] < 1424162783 728415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1424163522 301531 :dulla!~rikc@108.65.78.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424163977 274340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424164035 149238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good luck < 1424164506 413383 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424165151 344362 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424165447 827336 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424166055 581297 :gelos_!47ed587c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.237.88.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424166333 361028 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424167125 828579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41919 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+279) 10A esolang with only one keyword: PIG. < 1424167148 584605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41920&oldid=41919 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+1) 10/* Usage */ < 1424167264 514029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41921&oldid=41905 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+10) 10 < 1424167375 68038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41922&oldid=41920 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+95) 10/* Hello, World in Pig */ < 1424167415 968020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41923&oldid=41922 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, World in Pig */ < 1424167515 88485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41924&oldid=41790 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+67) 10 < 1424167727 302798 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424168458 975436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41925&oldid=41923 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, World in Pig */ < 1424169156 810466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424170580 978918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle join < 1424170581 240903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad join :: Monad m => m (m a) -> m a < 1424170581 387358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :package join < 1424170581 387504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.FilePath.Windows joinDrive :: FilePath -> FilePath -> FilePath < 1424170589 969355 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424170597 526205 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's there no join in Control.Concurrent? < 1424170752 820353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Chan has no chanSize function :( < 1424170763 274616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. return how many items there are in the chan right now) < 1424171556 26706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/QZcPNtQ9 < 1424171559 238807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. This is working :) < 1424171730 399368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I invented many new Sliver cards for Magic: the Gathering < 1424171998 174906 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zo < 1424172000 952583 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1424172257 299278 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424173592 876488 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424173984 177172 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424174086 457878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what, where? < 1424174249 962488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424174291 27656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're there in the list http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt < 1424174308 113863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that one < 1424174388 18862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up the kind of "Babson-task" with Magic: the Gathering; you have same cards as opponent's cards in their hand, and whatever card they play, the only winning move(s) involves the first card you play from your own hand being the matching card of they just played. (For example if they played Aether Snap then you have to play Aether Snap, if they played Artificial Evolution you have to play Artificial Evolution, if they played Ancestral Recall you < 1424174730 793083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking a bit about that, and I think it might be possible, at least for about three or four cards < 1424174747 607257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I haven't found a working construction yet < 1424175003 641064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to do it with at least five cards though; preferably at least seven; however, even just three or four would do too, almost < 1424175017 648183 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424175274 948389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I might think about this a bit more later < 1424175686 251883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1424175762 650133 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CORRUGATED CHICKEN < 1424176348 979156 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkloiyryhlfszgtq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424177693 564691 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424177869 370960 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuqlqarnsybmcfpx JOIN :#esoteric < 1424177923 744149 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424178448 876780 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424179988 861892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424181783 399143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41926&oldid=41921 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+20) 10/* L */ added light pattern < 1424181895 425690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41927&oldid=41926 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+131) 10/* A */ a programming language... < 1424182185 708469 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424182504 935612 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424182516 695878 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424182716 856816 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424182907 3941 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424182985 872068 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424183178 820268 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424183413 278555 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1424183435 809199 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1424183663 132375 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424183863 477015 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424184510 967229 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424184535 442524 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424185355 991599 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424185802 995679 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424185823 850542 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424186410 636049 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424186830 829345 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424186868 337795 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424187358 894273 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424187834 586816 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424187877 259121 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424188130 577136 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424188339 546384 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424188942 832361 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424188950 855953 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Hello transposable world task "Your code must be transposable. In other words, your code must not be changed by this program: http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?transpose+lines" No change means no change to what your code outputs, right? < 1424189163 513676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it's a textural property < 1424189176 719544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a semantic one < 1424189233 749097 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The example C code given https://ideone.com/uEyGtr is alright? < 1424189258 444844 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit i'm blind. < 1424189268 387582 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I see it now. < 1424189277 549179 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Par for the course. < 1424189293 864329 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Thanks for the help. < 1424189498 432842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424189769 951516 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424190180 630274 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424190195 432713 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424190436 792905 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424190781 889622 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PART #esoteric :"{{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}}" < 1424191254 439050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting task, but I dislike the coarse granularity for the program sizes... < 1424191315 402230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the program text must be a square. It'd be more fun if some triangular shapes were allowed) < 1424191462 608400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm "triangular" isn't the right term... < 1424191797 195301 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.72.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424192026 601687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424192028 148325 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424192180 600198 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424192194 580273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424192318 121383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: “jagged”? < 1424192477 468368 :pallokolmio!vosalo@linux.utu.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424192544 375412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the lines of the lengths would have to be monotonely decreasing. < 1424192636 327340 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapezoidal < 1424192802 640579 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424192981 854917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the risk in doing that is that one could get a ton of L-shaped solutions. So maybe restricting to squares is a good thing after all. < 1424193171 473793 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424193461 449613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Γ-shaped... < 1424193489 331167 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zlipndstikeiyvev QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424193716 447268 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one channel, I confused someone by talking about an L-shaped enter key, because he thought I meant a reverse-L, whereas I had never seen that type before. < 1424194074 120026 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424194249 843725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, L-shaped enter keys are a thing? < 1424194333 173934 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-L-shaped is common in the UK < 1424194589 510721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think I've seen some < 1424194666 110898 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424195256 12852 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:35ae:ce25:d9ea:b847 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424195509 983378 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424195789 57305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an MP library for haskell? < 1424195889 264127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Chan or MVar but over the web? < 1424196036 662103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I could just use read/show and tcp sockets < 1424196197 182010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloud haskell or whatever < 1424196320 229421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424196405 911324 :arjanb!8259aa19@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424196936 499944 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424196937 448274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424197041 798856 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424197568 247696 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:35ae:ce25:d9ea:b847 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424198121 541925 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424198126 464851 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424198527 192872 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieHomework < 1424198621 318154 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1424199216 238555 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424199259 114731 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424200435 309616 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424200824 667515 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1424200831 343669 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424200852 538457 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up, vanila bean? < 1424200916 47976 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bored < 1424200923 990756 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont know what to do < 1424200928 86130 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you> < 1424201046 121395 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go write things. < 1424201109 982199 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe about chat bots. < 1424201117 914590 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly sitting around too. < 1424201196 813989 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1424201363 860821 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424201466 679858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1424201588 148479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424201610 332044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1424201610 478550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1424202720 734248 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424203033 572167 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424203034 592014 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424203222 943512 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424203231 252404 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424203269 24123 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424203285 926537 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424203516 378442 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424203652 964363 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424203692 153698 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424203754 29338 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424203779 506925 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.76.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424203925 683641 :TieHomework!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1424204323 648722 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtsbogcwnesqvjom JOIN :#esoteric < 1424204542 330516 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424204555 854471 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424204577 410171 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424204720 809937 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424204891 898002 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424205424 87668 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424205564 412633 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424206567 607693 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424206581 490834 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424206717 604776 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424206747 134349 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424206818 247587 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424206902 355129 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424208554 827210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know, fungot has arrived. But I still don't have any Internet here. < 1424208685 920783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot is trying to connect to #esoteric but failing due to lack of internet? < 1424208704 484031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, I think I misinterpreted you < 1424208798 819585 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.76.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the innie and outie of your stament contradict each other. < 1424208883 501240 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.76.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I read somewhere that a couple of guys developed an internet protocol for use with carriere pigeons. < 1424208911 762054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not trying to connect, I just meant that the physical hardware arrived. < 1424208935 360214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1424208938 515639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're now in UKland? < 1424208945 696468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I haven't even booted the box up, been too busy. < 1424208948 81675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1424208953 196926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: IP over Avian Carrier is an RFC < 1424208969 318376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I further assume you're doing an ais523 and have borrowed Internet off someone, due to not having your own < 1424208976 634290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP over bongo drums is a thing too. < 1424209000 339444 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424209002 161794 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424209024 406152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a mobile thing. But it officially disallows tethering, so it's not suitable for fungotting. < 1424209069 72918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've ordered something more DSLy, but it might take a week or two more. < 1424209196 588931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is Three's pay-as-you-go offering, because funnily enough you can't order a pay-monthly thing online without filling three years of address history, and the online form only accepts UK post codes.) < 1424209280 964622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, they have a £15 "add-on" for 30 days of unlimited data, that's not too bad. < 1424209323 921005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :50p per day seem reasonable if you don't have another source of Internet access < 1424209337 823484 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.76.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlimited meaning limited, of course. < 1424209360 583972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus they have this "feel at home" thing, which allegedly means I'll be able to use (25G/month or something) that data on my US visit, and also in Finland. < 1424209391 617263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have some traffic shaping thing, don't know about other limits. < 1424209399 464505 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424209503 895684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a Finnish SIM too, but it's too big to fit in this phone. < 1424209525 760907 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.76.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could have access to unlimited funds, if I was only allowed to spend 15p a day. < 1424209616 600105 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424209660 203524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in Finland I used to use maybe 100-150M of mobile data per month, so the £10 "add-on" with 1G of data for 30 days might be plenty, after the home internet gets here. < 1424209866 860552 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tethering? fizzie < 1424209951 409147 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.76.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424210017 623663 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424210062 925691 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424210218 565318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's against the "Terms & Conditions"; I don't know if they've tried (or managed) to actually prevent it. (I remember reading one paper about guessing at the number of hosts behind a NAT based on TCP sequence numbers or source ports or whatnot, but that's probably a bit too fancy for real use.) < 1424210222 91693 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424210230 755487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is not a Three phone.) < 1424210235 8204 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1424210237 619168 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tethering is < 1424210533 364363 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424210581 927158 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424210672 819613 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424210736 574587 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1424210877 163667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: sadly, IO over Acian Carrier can't be used directly, you'd need some sort of IRC proxy. The latency of IO over avian carriers is too high to use TCP, but luckily I think (I'm not sure) an IRC client connection could be implemented without TCP. < 1424210921 112912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: Sharing a phone's network connection to other devices. < 1424210950 582375 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So abuse of the sim card and services? < 1424210954 383229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/IO/IP/ < 1424210985 420600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424210992 456726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: not necessarily abuse, some providers allow it < 1424210998 477722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most don't < 1424211020 902018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? I didn't know they could limit you from tethering < 1424211032 444420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought that was a US ting only < 1424211047 122800 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does irc make unique, idk, queries to people that are connected. Or could you fake a realtime connection? < 1424211047 782188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some providers actually encourage it, as in, they're advertizing they allow sharing with multiple mobile devices in a more expansive package, to get more customers < 1424211054 805702 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure If I'm making sense. < 1424211070 904760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tethering is allowed by default in Sweden < 1424211082 421002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that was how it worked a couple of years ago < 1424211083 313018 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more or less they are allowing Multi-Sim phones < 1424211084 971782 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or < 1424211095 268826 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-phone sim usage < 1424211119 814043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: you could get away with a connection with a very high lag, you'd just need some slight changes. < 1424211166 388452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm this is a stupidly short USB cable to use for this < 1424211169 683766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is like 7 cm < 1424211178 864560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Three allows it for pay-monthly plans but not for pay-as-you-go. < 1424211181 630317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the only one I had on hand though < 1424211186 749365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see < 1424211188 86213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: basically, due to how IRC is planned to resolve conflicts after a netsplit (conflicts like nick collisions or different channel modes on different sides), it's something that could be modified to work between Earth and Mars < 1424211192 620802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike, you know, the web < 1424211200 187148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying food < 1424211212 350021 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum < 1424211234 425496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does require flow control so you can't just flood the server on the other side by requesting lots of pages with a huge response (say large videos) < 1424211241 444372 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that Nick Collisions end in n-lateral kicking < 1424211246 442514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works even better if the servers are local to the clients < 1424211268 16996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the server can kick your connection rightaway if you're flooding, < 1424211274 532145 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it resolve chan modes, b_jonas < 1424211285 957956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that commands that go from the earth server to mars server or back will have lots of delays < 1424211294 868446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying the softwares would work as is, but they could be modified < 1424211295 729856 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424211311 403602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: I'm not really sure, you'd have to ask on #freenode, but I think they compare timestamps and the earlier wins, or something like that < 1424211312 205426 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :high latency ain't bad < 1424211322 356063 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424211365 52643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: it sure ain't bad, it's just that our current infrastructure (if you count the web or facebook, all encrypted and uncachable by proxies) doesn't work at all with high latencies < 1424211403 226854 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, at the very least, continuations could be helpful in high latency < 1424211406 151729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you can't recruit laypeople for a Mars settlement mission because they won't be able to access websites unless the company who runs the particular website runs a server on Mars and manages the synchronization themselves < 1424211411 502767 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know jack crap < 1424211439 558506 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Mars One candidates. < 1424211471 402565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe Facebook would put a server there and manage it somehow < 1424211475 348765 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as synchronisation goes, let's get referential transparency as the norm for relational networks, yo < 1424211492 802187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Youtube and whatever else < 1424211521 621417 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Youtube, segemented downloads < 1424211547 52539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there might be also problems with bandwidth throughput too in the first few decades, but at least that doesn't come from a fundamental physical limitation that can't be overcome with slightly better infrastructure) < 1424211573 29583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: no, for Youtube I think you really need a caching server on Mars < 1424211582 695415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which google could probably put there < 1424211588 980946 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, FB and the like will be replaced by a company that treats the high latency as a feature, not a obsticle. < 1424211590 544572 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum, I see what you mean < 1424211607 397047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here's their definition of "unlimited": "All you can eat data gives you worry free internet use. Even if you used your phone for every minute of every day you could only use, subject to TrafficSense™, around 1000GB each month. We may use this cap to identify inappropriate use of the service, such as commercial use, which isn't permitted under our terms and conditions." < 1424211617 376553 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424211619 699703 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious about the diferences between low-medium-high latency programs < 1424211653 455503 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's a high cap and it's cool that they defined their unlimited limit. < 1424211679 459763 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1424211701 988179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so it's like the other unlimited services: it's unlimited but they terminate your subscription after the first month you use it too much < 1424211704 964909 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A caching server to cache the requested videos < 1424211717 409742 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you know the terms of service, b_jonas < 1424211728 286248 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, high latency < 1424211731 694196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: yes, or simply all videos as soon as they're uploaded, even before they're requested < 1424211757 570521 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424211778 691566 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1424211785 751938 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That high latency, though < 1424211796 770972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it has to work backwards too, so all uploads from Mars are cached on Earth too < 1424211801 903584 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know medium latency is about 12 seconds, high is around at least a minute < 1424211817 788980 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use bitswap for caching < 1424211818 672990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: but Mars is farther than that, right? < 1424211829 771262 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION srhugs < 1424211835 217457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens of minutes < 1424211876 225147 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Martian is an excellent book for such info btw. Just read it. < 1424211890 829226 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shit I have to come back later, < 1424211906 531696 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars stuff with b_jonas and AndoDaan, right? < 1424211996 638546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailing lists (or usenet) should probably work too, as long as the mail servers filter spam locally < 1424212010 832566 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1424212010 989166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just all the fancy modern stuff that wouldn't work < 1424212011 900552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424212015 889509 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1424212016 644419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be good < 1424212021 790782 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no resilience in modern things < 1424212025 417285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow. That's a high cap and it's cool that they defined their unlimited limit. <-- 1 TB / month isn't that big < 1424212025 666746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have an additional connection < 1424212026 7813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit 150 GB / month on my tablet alone (wifi only) < 1424212027 129896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly on 1080p youtube < 1424212028 143030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, in november I hit 172 GB < 1424212029 119519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the stats in Android < 1424212031 59804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so far this month I hit 130 GB < 1424212032 154489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :118 GB of that on the youtube app < 1424212035 351554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan, In a household where more than one person watches a lot of youtube you could easily hit a lot more than 1 TB / month < 1424212036 333200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wth the lag < 1424212041 275031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't want to go to Mars, but if enough people go, the effect might be good here on Earth too < 1424212044 611025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck was that.. < 1424212064 59875 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with the moon < 1424212067 164182 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, the fuck < 1424212076 60761 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit's an 80's problem < 1424212094 685504 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need no McDonalds on mars < 1424212098 525919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: Moon is easy, there's not much latency between the Earth and the Moon, current technology would just work < 1424212117 897764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :satellite internet users can already handle that much latency < 1424212124 158768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, well, you couldn't play CS GO from the moon < 1424212134 529911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, probably not that < 1424212151 726892 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean sustainablity, b_jonas < 1424212173 601112 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, didn't old stuff run on medium latency < 1424212196 233110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla, what do you mean with "stuff" and with "medium latency" < 1424212206 372807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the problem is the other fundamental limitations like thermodynamics? < 1424212214 275445 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than a few seconds, less than a minute < 1424212223 984937 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff as in tech < 1424212225 796258 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comms < 1424212254 143501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1424212286 352947 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radio and the speed of light? < 1424212289 763042 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s far as anything goes < 1424212298 48228 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needs erasure codes out the ass < 1424212300 209925 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caching, too < 1424212304 746837 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bitswap < 1424212313 254473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1424212321 528890 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalised torrent < 1424212332 24257 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this perfile crap < 1424212339 823546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I thought you were talking about endianess < 1424212351 851258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of bitswap in the torrent sense < 1424212356 852731 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1424212359 604230 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPFS is using it < 1424212384 733724 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less because it'd be stupid to tie block dictionaries, blocks, etc per file header < 1424212396 735428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get hits about ADSL? < 1424212402 136464 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1424212408 368968 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being dragged out the door < 1424212422 366665 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipfs.io is the site, it has the whitepaper, if you are interested, Vorpal < 1424212423 495036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : If the pattern of noise versus frequencies heard in the bins changes, the DSL modem can alter the bits-per-bin allocations, in a process called "bitswap", where bins that have become more noisy are only required to carry fewer bits and other channels will be chosen to be given a higher burden. < 1424212425 607538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1424212445 859175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla, so yet another one < 1424212447 393359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1424212465 759881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the one I saw a while ago... Freenet? What happend to that < 1424212489 599871 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424212594 515801 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424212697 288214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424212854 558008 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1424213422 156862 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424213428 709029 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424213513 196799 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424213581 992860 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424213820 600707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424213932 376612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you now should have all the necessary information to calculate the answer to the topic question hth < 1424213964 72809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect you already know whether fungot is african or european. < 1424214057 391528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424214230 247224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424214570 365627 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424215827 160954 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424216056 981590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41928&oldid=41925 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+106) 10 < 1424216841 749281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424216948 89623 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another what Vorpal < 1424216994 768912 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It more or less compacts the issue of trackers into the unit client < 1424217236 51914 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a PIG program. < 1424217247 491281 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tourette's SyndromePIGMight be an interesting theme for an esoteric language. < 1424217387 791519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I am finding this page surprisingly amusing: http://www.minesweeper.info/wiki/Famous_Cheaters < 1424218027 216199 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fascinating. < 1424218062 114613 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda want toplay minesweeper now. < 1424218081 527766 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And lookfor ways to cheat. < 1424218407 552182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most infamous is the Dreamboard < 1424218432 898975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 3.1 Minesweeper has only a limited number of possible boards < 1424218440 328332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is the easiest, and many players memorized it < 1424218454 692014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's huge debate about whether Dreamboard records count < 1424218470 225154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being a) did they just reset until they got the Dreamboard; b) did they recognise it after a couple of moves < 1424218703 854583 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Seems like arguing that trying to go forthe record invalidates the attempt. < 1424218705 455425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which of those count < 1424218730 239138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is, btw: http://www.minesweeper.info/wiki/images/b/b3/Dreamboard-10-MattMcGinley-270601.jpg < 1424218805 214475 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dreams of it is not immediately obvious to me. < 1424218817 500365 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't played in years. < 1424218845 96956 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edge bombs? < 1424218853 413885 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, more of them? < 1424218860 945925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's that all the mines are concentrated together, and you have islands of wide open areas, and islands of miens < 1424218862 470985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mines < 1424218869 562561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that solving the level requires fewer clicks than normal < 1424218881 253973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is obviously desirable for a world record, especially if you have the layout memorized < 1424218952 976655 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. They're looking to just clear the negative space as quickly as possible, ratherthan pinpointing bombms. < 1424218958 830436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1424218962 358818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the win condition < 1424219003 952349 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424219009 898571 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now. Near three vast expances. < 1424219020 672554 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exspances. < 1424219042 249759 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, Idk how to expand on my spelling of 'expand'. < 1424219104 139472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"expanses" is the correct spelling, I think < 1424219114 534180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, my spellchecker likes it < 1424219129 841715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex-pants < 1424219448 35444 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. The spellcheck underline things is near invisible in HexChat. < 1424219452 238570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minesweeper is np-complete, right? or was it pspace-complete? < 1424219460 838948 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :np complete. < 1424219478 511169 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that vaguely. < 1424219494 403969 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :np-complete? < 1424219496 5538 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1424219521 597696 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking if I was misremembering if it was turing complete or np complete. < 1424219530 614278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be TC, it's only finitely large < 1424219544 930560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it can't be above NP because all moves are irreversible < 1424219569 350281 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instantly evident to those who are not me. :) < 1424219569 555737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that the number of moves is polynomial-time < 1424219577 657378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, put it this way < 1424219636 879546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a potential solution to a Minesweeper board < 1424219653 172799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check whether it's genuine simply by counting the number of mines around each number < 1424219669 313104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that minesweeper is at most NP < 1424219688 254873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that it's actually NP-complete is harder, ofc < 1424219729 753181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: "NP-complete" is a little awkward to define, but intuitively, it means that given any puzzle for which a solution can be checked for correctness in polynomial time, there's some Minesweeper board that's equivalent to that puzzle < 1424219733 493506 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was proof by equating it to an already established np complete problem. < 1424219754 822968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-completeness and PSPACE-completeness are two common ways to translate the notion of Turing-completeness down to finite programs < 1424219762 944648 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even more vaguely remembered. I'm gonna look it up. < 1424219984 731126 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduced from 3SAT, apparently. < 1424220022 427037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424220024 635304 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424220178 106628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people always use 3SAT, or nearly so < 1424220204 132545 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424220207 64090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although when I proved the generalized RNG-reversing problem NP-complete, I used the subset sum problem < 1424220219 304641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LCRNG-reversing < 1424220272 562937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should use planar 3-coloring more < 1424220281 866077 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424220364 909649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't translate too well to different genres of problem, I guess < 1424220386 674593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason that we show languages TC by implementing BCT or Brainfuck or Fractran, rather than INTERCAL < 1424220468 819368 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on lengthening the esointerpreter chain a bit, and that fact is really annoying. < 1424220493 699047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should work more on underlambda < 1424220507 715527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might make esointerpreters obsolete, at least for the TC languages < 1424220522 255709 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly got a kipple to MNNBFSL interpreter, but behind kipple it's OOP ork. < 1424221003 869040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or is Pig a really awful language? < 1424221122 998086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41929&oldid=41916 5* 03203.99.128.1 5* (+43) 10/* Instructions */ < 1424221188 418767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41930&oldid=41929 5* 03203.99.128.1 5* (+16) 10/* Instructions */ < 1424221306 893610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41931&oldid=41930 5* 03203.99.128.1 5* (+122) 10/* Instructions */ < 1424221332 611010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41932&oldid=41931 5* 03Ais523 5* (-5) 10/* Instructions */ fix typo < 1424221473 638638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41933&oldid=41932 5* 03203.99.128.1 5* (+71) 10/* Instructions */ < 1424221736 265951 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424221763 77155 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424222388 121748 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424222434 479006 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.233 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424222767 459332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424224220 266228 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424225338 121909 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424226307 295625 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424226411 817903 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1424226826 351780 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ACROBATIC CHICKEN < 1424227607 913163 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424227713 469062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: now I'm curious as to what your solution to "utf8 to unicode" on anagolf was < 1424227723 517537 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*echm* < 1424227723 764873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran faster than mine, so maybe it's not loading libraries? < 1424227723 993873 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1424227750 840211 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424227785 227181 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424227841 175279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the annoying thing there is that it would be trivial to write if only we could set command-line options, but we can't (the #!perl trick doesn't work for Unicodiness) < 1424228134 986520 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424228563 58695 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1424229367 991829 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I should create an "esoteric programming language" that's just an NP-complete problem. < 1424229400 918879 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should delete the internet < 1424229546 610605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be difficult, and a huge amount of valuable information would be lost < 1424229549 183973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend against it < 1424229663 696500 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDOS the internets biggest servers < 1424229675 603696 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And saturate them so they can't defend? < 1424229681 271269 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that do it < 1424229687 498987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDOSing works less well on large servers than small servers < 1424229696 513238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reasons that should be obvious if you think about it < 1424229703 76507 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes a DDOS machine < 1424229712 419944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the owners of some of them tend to have huge budgets. < 1424229726 547146 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddos's from the moon < 1424229738 168624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you any idea how little bandwidth there is on the Moon? < 1424229750 515620 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very little < 1424229751 744598 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I imagine if your DDOS was enough of a threat Google could actually afford a gun DOS on your DDOS operation. < 1424229776 19268 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a gun dos again < 1424229781 882392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is a communications satellite network around Mars, though; I don't know how much bandwidth it has for connecting with Earth) < 1424229784 582223 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where they shoot you. < 1424229790 525155 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1424229799 813588 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes back as a ghost < 1424229823 863927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Google would need assassinations to stop a DDOS < 1424229828 330608 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to haunt Google servers with large ammounts of lag < 1424229828 588478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the right way to think about it is < 1424229844 896332 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but if that's what it would take *they probably could*. < 1424229848 964715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google gets a huge number of Internet connections /anyway/ < 1424229859 82790 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google would just reroute the internet around your attack < 1424229860 40632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, take Facebook < 1424229864 49433 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, Google is practically running under a massive DDOS anyways. < 1424229878 126123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting hammered by a large proportion of human Internet users at any given time < 1424229878 310153 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I just burn the buildings holding Google servers down < 1424229880 903671 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What most sites call "a DDOS" Google calls "Tuesday". < 1424229888 853704 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do own a killer robot company now, so they could plausibly assassinate you if they wanted to < 1424229899 114949 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol well < 1424229913 935536 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you go about ddosing the internet < 1424229916 462113 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory < 1424229918 401317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't < 1424229934 805559 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^10^100 packets p/sec < 1424229964 856697 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's enough electrons for that. < 1424230016 855008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you could use the same electrons for each packet < 1424230020 215150 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The root zone servers don't actually see much traffic due to caching, right? < 1424230024 757158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just shove them through the wires really fast < 1424230037 261548 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than light < 1424230037 876035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep, pretty much everyone knows where, say, the .com servers are anyway < 1424230042 814025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't have to ask < 1424230057 225415 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.onion < 1424230058 621085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably seeing a bit more traffic now with all the weird suffixes ICANN opened up in their recent cash grab < 1424230059 499138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the other hand, DDOSing them might not be helpful for the same exact reason < 1424230061 349194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not that much < 1424230071 821765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDOS .com nses? < 1424230073 159135 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the root zone servers are actually done pretty bizarrely as well... < 1424230089 912632 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several hosts that share IP addresses, relying on how DNS is stateless. < 1424230131 177216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's gotta be a theoretical maximum to how much information you can send through a wire. < 1424230152 609958 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nominally only, like, 6 root zone servers, but there's a few dozen servers that actually host the root zone. < 1424230193 45823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than 6 < 1424230198 308561 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, 13. < 1424230202 19733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're named after letters of the alphabet, so it has to be 26 or less < 1424230209 986380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure there's more than 6 < 1424230212 284704 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :China is apparently ddosing Canada atm < 1424230221 970580 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 13. < 1424230223 602045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the Internet doesn't work like that < 1424230241 208546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mean is that some people in China are attempting to DDOS various targets within Canada, presumably with varying levels of success < 1424230246 964517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be possible for a country to totally disconnect another country < 1424230250 55530 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all but 3 of them are nominally located in the US. < 1424230253 618599 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424230254 689293 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google could possibly DDOS an entire country < 1424230258 298537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think China could pull the plug on NK? < 1424230259 763173 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1424230262 697523 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not DDOS < 1424230270 624778 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets sgeo < 1424230274 341833 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1424230292 4344 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet warfare would be scary < 1424230300 810041 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But safer maybe < 1424230303 292062 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1424230313 917734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: some country accidentally blocked YouTube for much of the Internet < 1424230317 109632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I assume there are internet connections directly between north korea and south korea < 1424230317 255927 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again not a DDOS < 1424230318 938475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure < 1424230322 715351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that was a DNS blackholing < 1424230342 364184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you claim to offer a shorter path to the site people are looking for, then discard the traffic < 1424230342 856864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: The best way to attack the Internet is probably not DDOS < 1424230354 758490 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuke Google HQ < 1424230363 568428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only works because of other ASes trusting your routes, though < 1424230365 834806 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Probably, but it's also probably a pretty lightweight link. < 1424230374 644694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do that sort of thing too often, they stop trusting them < 1424230379 5616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuke the underwater cables! < 1424230394 704696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'd like to point out that the entire original purpose of the Internet was to survive nuclear attack < 1424230415 263850 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does splitting in two temporarily count as surviving? < 1424230437 626257 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424230450 91772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then it's connected enough that splitting it in two is unlikely < 1424230489 86996 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a big country internet usage wise say Europe would take on US servers who would win? < 1424230517 572412 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also who wants to buy a copy of cs6 < 1424230542 438024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like a country magically owns all the internet connections inside it < 1424230556 135312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also europe isn't a country < 1424230561 926303 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to say. It's not entirely meaningful to even speak of "a country's servers" really... Things are sufficiently international these days that damage to most any country, hurts most all countries. < 1424230596 764461 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just all vote < 1424230603 278767 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, if China goes down the US is *hosed*. < 1424230604 47915 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to destroy humanity < 1424230618 92417 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like just destroy it all < 1424230632 285563 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its a big fuck up for nature to have made humans < 1424230660 5515 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vhemt.org/ ? < 1424230661 997385 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All humans have a large potential to be evil and destroy < 1424230687 616511 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: My linking does not imply that I endorse the views expressed therein) < 1424230697 150336 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some painless way of vaporising every human on earth < 1424230795 730350 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... antimater? < 1424230886 784140 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm down for dat < 1424230910 117655 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets all mate with our anti-selves < 1424231100 823399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting increasingly offtopic < 1424231103 199234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also really depressing < 1424231119 136889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be completely out of line for me to kick you, as you haven't really done anything wrong < 1424231124 377402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm tired and irritable right now < 1424231254 568047 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424231355 109578 :arjanb!8259aa19@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.25 QUIT :Quit: . < 1424231431 396739 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424231558 666708 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424231570 719657 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424231860 921300 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424231908 561717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zemhill_ < 1424231934 912667 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424232026 33764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SickPig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41934 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+490) 10Created page with "SickPig is similar to the language [[Pig]], but it simulates a pig that is sick. ==Usage== SickPig follows the same syntax rules as [[Pig]]. You write the name of the text fil..." < 1424232036 108127 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1424232051 904462 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1424232072 259666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SickPig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41935&oldid=41934 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+7) 10 < 1424232083 852502 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424232141 352914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41936&oldid=41927 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (-10) 10 < 1424232218 4802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41937&oldid=41924 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+59) 10 < 1424232355 840935 :zemhill___!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424232621 47137 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1424232680 199809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, imagine that a north-south–oriented ice skater, in orbit over the equator of a black hole and rotationally at rest with respect to the stars, extends her arms." < 1424232764 601172 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424232791 870626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is north and south with respect to the poles of the black hole? < 1424232796 385704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does she figure out where they are? < 1424232839 575960 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: "ddos's from the moon" is almost literally the plot of a book i'm trying to write < 1424232870 526226 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is actually a phsycic < 1424232918 580063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the moon is a harsh mistress has already been written hth < 1424233013 975232 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe it's a kerr newman black hole and she has a magnemometer? < 1424233182 501870 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424233184 49540 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought they just threw rocks in that book < 1424233208 167373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and how could _your_ version not be lame in comparison, i'm saying < 1424233234 179927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, black holes can possess angular momentum. < 1424233240 499197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also charge < 1424233320 232636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41938&oldid=41937 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+0) 10 < 1424233335 452017 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a real word for a magnemometer? < 1424233364 932243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what it means < 1424233399 345287 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that measures strength and direction of th magnetic field < 1424233441 466901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case merely replace the second m by a t hth < 1424233443 651585 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424233451 556245 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1424233488 358782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :greek: fiendish, logical, or both? < 1424233513 813908 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately i;ve been having a problem with my laptop screen where it starts going white, until I hit it. < 1424233558 174301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to respect that your laptop has a different color identity. < 1424233597 863861 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424233701 163829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a connector loose inside, otherwise how would hitting it help? < 1424233832 396316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DeadPig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41939 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+394) 10Created page with "DeadPig is a version of the language [[Pig]], where the pig has obviously died. ==Usage== DeadPig uses the same syntax rules as [[Pig]], where you write the title of the text ..." < 1424233837 526792 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go get it fixed < 1424233848 366219 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its has a display problem < 1424233854 233240 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424233856 700704 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you drop it somewhere < 1424233913 401868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41940&oldid=41938 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+58) 10 < 1424234131 416894 :Zefphex!~Eolus@74.61.60.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424234174 657862 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: Not that I know of. It's not worth fixing, given that the machine cost CA$200. I'll just buy a new one if this happens too often. < 1424234365 673531 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424234399 361883 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424234419 734222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate we're going to need Category:حَرَام < 1424234675 830908 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424234759 946269 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424234899 726542 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 hours of thirst coming up :( < 1424234945 713468 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a medical procedure < 1424234967 2750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterectomy < 1424234979 607309 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424235151 521050 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just sleep through thirst? < 1424235173 73474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how tired you are < 1424235189 423957 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not tired at all, I slept through do-not-need-to-deprive-myself-of-food-and-water time < 1424235226 326043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you wake up just when it was too late to eat and drink tdnh < 1424235234 618313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I manage 11 hours without water frequently, even when awake < 1424235251 242477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only place to get bottles of water at 4:54 AM charges £1.40 for them, which is really excessive < 1424235255 459295 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, and drinking water right now during the 6 minutes I have left < 1424235287 476048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't drink before going to bed i tend to have chaffed lips when i awake < 1424235298 440047 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared of sedation < 1424235350 163279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: birmingham doesn't have drinkable tap water? < 1424235357 103656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of having a tube stuck down my throat < 1424235361 154804 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424235377 564119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has excellent tap water, but the problem is finding a mains-connected tap and a container to drink from < 1424235396 676162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit spilled coke on my sweater < 1424235412 505152 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to buy bottles of water just for the container < 1424235421 886326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work I buy one a week, not sure if that''s particularly unsanitary < 1424235426 510522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also t-shirt but that was going into the laundry soon anyway < 1424235427 63835 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an invasive prodecure? < 1424235438 132733 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I may not be the best person to ask for advice on sane behavior < 1424235446 487827 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream: are endoscopys considered invasive? < 1424235454 817591 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tube down my throat but I'm not being cut open < 1424235476 301399 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1424235511 46497 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an MRI once, though, and it turns out I didn't actually need to be sedated since I was good at laying still on my own anyway. < 1424235530 471750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so birmingham has a tap shortage? < 1424235535 651800 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I of course found this out after going several hours without eating. < 1424235548 273599 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not eating is for sedation? < 1424235557 654185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well taps tend to be confined to residential houses and food preparation areas < 1424235559 641996 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was to not vomit while there's a tube in my throat < 1424235562 802657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i simply cannot imagine anywhere in norway where it's further to a tap than to a shop < 1424235565 762795 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would imagine they don't want to risk you gagging on the endoscoping camera. < 1424235573 887284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and toilets, which are plentiful, but which I don't really want to drink from < 1424235632 824857 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly that too, but also so the sedatives don't make you release an absolutely gigantic bowel movement as easily. < 1424235709 111116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess _inside_ a shopping center. < 1424235712 572191 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424235734 957113 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424235742 47148 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quassel seriously hits a nerve sometimes < 1424235747 550425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses he has no idea where ais523 spends his days < 1424235773 946933 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to carry cleaning equipment with me to areas with water fountains. < 1424235806 951013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, the shops aren't open at 5am < 1424235820 285993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the massively overpriced water comes from a small vending machine about 10m from here < 1424235823 63545 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there is one gym I'd visit every few years for some reason or another. < 1424235848 509454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the shops are open, I can by a 2 litre bottle of sparkling or still water for 50p, which is much better value < 1424235851 71455 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was a water fountain that has a single distinctive booger hanging on it for most of those several years. < 1424235858 94172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again, the price is mostly for the container, I think) < 1424235858 628713 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No once thouching it, no one cleaning. < 1424235876 554751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's a pity that the ASDA isn't near here: they literally sell bottles of tap water for like 15p < 1424235975 453509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i distinctly recalling having a cup when i was at university. < 1424235996 26154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well more than one. < 1424236013 28342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with the nice math on it broke when i was washing it ): < 1424236014 792698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of my problem is I have nowhere to store things, really < 1424236027 925316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424236094 896004 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy bottles of tap water < 1424236097 981861 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or empty plastic bottles < 1424236108 708587 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1424236154 933974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, I can't exactly carry empty bottles around with me all day < 1424236180 529425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current solution is to buy a lot of water during daytime, and drink it < 1424236183 737515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then not drink water overnight < 1424236292 497073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do much the same with food, actually < 1424236296 961446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not sure how long it'll keep < 1424236763 248720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Polaris and Omnipotence both require level 5 to be trained in order to even start training level 1. Even if a drunken Dev/GM threw an Omnipotence book at you, you'd never be able to start training it. Same with Polaris." < 1424237229 287699 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424237377 95815 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424237607 398804 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424237862 621535 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424238361 810995 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424238575 854877 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424238840 371237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:DeadPig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41941 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+487) 10PIGFARMER idea. < 1424239063 914991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:DeadPig14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41942&oldid=41941 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+16) 10Noticed SICKPIG.... < 1424239525 444237 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424239607 567924 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424239713 229747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Oolicile < 1424239714 404534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Oolicile: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1424239726 150413 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay < 1424239877 401870 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1424240177 920022 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424240210 227387 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1424240217 571896 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh rainbows. < 1424240267 989134 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424240281 741307 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even look like a rainbow < 1424240307 3048 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very dark < 1424240329 717436 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbows are Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet < 1424240368 308513 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1424240769 551818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oolicile: IRC color codes don't send exact colors < 1424240772 99414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just send suggestions < 1424240779 598334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your client is presumably using dark interpretations of the color codes in it < 1424240871 940216 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424241643 59064 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424241663 387910 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424241703 860386 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424241821 343427 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424241826 474045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah! now I've reproduced the 27 character solution at http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?utf8+to+unicode < 1424241841 527727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the 30 character solution simply hard-codes the three output numbers in decimal < 1424241847 217225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1424241852 248711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 27-char solution is not cheating < 1424241885 873263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even checks that the input is valid UTF-8 < 1424241906 680729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the function that doesn't check for that and simply sets the "this is UTF-8" flag has a name that's very slightly longe < 1424241908 931819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*longer < 1424242069 825707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short ruby solution is also non-cheating < 1424242146 556556 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424242147 517936 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night < 1424242917 958220 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424244652 792234 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424245133 56893 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424245449 391317 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you're an Evillious Chronicles person, right? < 1424245462 374507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the new song Clockwork Lullaby 7 if there's no lu li la la la? < 1424245517 684546 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's there < 1424245596 949216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four hands and an axe, that elephant guy probably has double strike => http://www.pbfcomics.com/271/ < 1424246846 493211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: this is your second warning (re: "gay") < 1424246854 586340 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o: < 1424246927 68059 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think that is Ganesh < 1424246976 91165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: I get the impression you don't much care < 1424246992 784224 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a race to the bottom and it's my first week here < 1424246996 498767 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty terrible < 1424247075 663185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:DeadPig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41943&oldid=41942 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (-16) 10Undo revision 41942 by [[Special:Contributions/AndoDaan|AndoDaan]] ([[User talk:AndoDaan|talk]]) < 1424247122 454707 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think future historians might be baffled as to how in the span of one century, "gay" changed meanings three times < 1424247131 559376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean slurs on day 1 already gave me pretty low patience. please don't make the channel shittier < 1424247263 436197 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, maybe not historians. students of history perhaps. In the same way that I am baffled with the causes of the Crimean War < 1424247284 585251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:DeadPig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41944&oldid=41943 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (-487) 10Removing unasked for, and hastily given idea. < 1424247285 566328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much crime < 1424247287 618478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's right there in the name < 1424247310 524569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadpig should be pig + deadfish imo < 1424247356 904959 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia: "The immediate cause involved the rights of Christian minorities in the Holy Land, which was controlled by the Ottoman Empire." Me: "So they fought about in Crimea? Lolwut." < 1424247423 316812 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have made sense at the time, but it doesn't now. < 1424247622 311195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm only aware of one outdated meaning ("happy", which is pretty innocuous) < 1424247717 718776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424247891 895271 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the sequence was: bright,happy -> homosexual (slang) -> homosexual (official) -> general pejorative < 1424247958 345489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424247969 853675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424248072 691180 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The associated press now calls for "gay" over "homosexual" when once the reverse was preferred in proper writing < 1424248303 429092 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And recently < 1424248307 241398 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :defents in armor < 1424248317 749273 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is now a slang for the chinese < 1424248341 511442 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't heard of that colloquialism since what? < 1424248350 341941 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Opium Wars? < 1424248558 176981 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: Well, racists use that word all the time. LAst time I recall hearing it was some hobo in a McDonalds yelling at a Korean family who were conversing in Korean. < 1424248571 972450 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1424248697 208577 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I know 98% of people are straight < 1424248703 851038 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not deluded in that respect < 1424248799 600221 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toronto has a big problem with homeless and crazy people. < 1424248799 786029 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol that's off by a lot, dude < 1424248873 210099 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck 2010 < 1424248921 918780 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that year? It wasn't that bad a year... < 1424248952 408210 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Census year < 1424248981 145289 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, must be all this "Queering Agriculture" and "Queering Geology and Environmentalism" < 1424248988 848190 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can thank Maryland for that < 1424249100 204605 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way people bring politics into science is a problem, but not a new one. In my father's day there was "Lysenkoism" and "communist science" < 1424249146 81766 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is the information age < 1424249166 675760 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is too much opinion, and not enough fact to dissuade all these new age peddlers < 1424249237 707183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: That has always been the case. Those who print the textbooks and newspapers have the power to mold the perception of reality. < 1424249264 331723 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And business weekly came out with unsurprising figures about the most generous donors to media < 1424249286 153293 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about academia, but the liberalism there is far from classical, neo-, rather < 1424249317 235753 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: but for the first time in history, it is practically free to post your opinion to the entire world. < 1424249358 309165 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit late, but at zero marginal cost it's a terrible supply side < 1424249578 685348 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This level of marginal cost means that opinions are in heavy competition, and it is possible for someone to read news exclusively tailored to their views. < 1424249636 425654 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424249759 56098 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of this, people can exist within their own "reality" where within reason, what they want to be true, is true. < 1424249798 530036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those problems will only get worse as long as countries pay more attention to their GDP than to minimum and median incomes as a measure of economic performance and wealth. < 1424249887 19563 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the problems with people being able to select their own reality, or the problems with poverty? < 1424249925 344390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1424249931 719730 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1424249933 895477 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.85.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424249949 850776 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great if they realised the tax only screws everyone but the plutocrats < 1424249990 685885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former isn't a problem per se, though it probably has some undesirable real world implications. < 1424250088 924988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, has anybody ever blamed Google for contributing to catching people in a bubble of radical ideas that are internally consistent?) < 1424250149 837138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people blame Reddit for that a lot, and DuckDuckGo claims not doing that as one of its marketing points < 1424250176 474147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: I think they do; it's intentionally designed that way. Politicians get their share in the form of thinly disguised bribes. < 1424250209 292772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thinly veiled... < 1424250218 293738 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, why are public services such good laundering grounds < 1424250232 324292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks, interesting. < 1424250263 343130 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least we can make cracks about how the Pentagon used USA Today as a credible source on Putin's neurotype < 1424250284 431332 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor show, and even then, it only means you are getting slapped around by an atypical < 1424250311 737869 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bubble-hop when reading the news: RT, Fox, Xinhuanet, Asahi Shinbun, BBC. < 1424250376 652062 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1424250384 748130 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply don't use google to find things < 1424250391 510162 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424250401 598468 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I google things with Bing < 1424250408 167866 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1424250522 550493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :baidu is a good portal to a different bubble < 1424250756 63860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DeadPig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41945&oldid=41939 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+144) 10 < 1424250776 71690 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadpig. Mxlnt! < 1424251664 916437 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strip/2005-08-21 < 1424251694 30676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424251846 434376 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing < 1424251991 218675 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424253583 929257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did youknow you can make popcorn in bacon fat? < 1424254560 906853 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.85.7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424254689 493415 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtsbogcwnesqvjom QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424255313 378146 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.85.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424256534 158382 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424256649 298103 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.85.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424257714 397916 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424258639 211499 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424259051 755654 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boily. What's with you and chicken? < 1424259304 817578 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424259486 140708 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndhelloDaan! < 1424259495 930129 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken is good. < 1424259514 523438 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AhoiBoiBoily. < 1424259518 916385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HYPERCRITICAL CHICKEN < 1424259564 604421 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1424259653 483843 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your answer? It's good? < 1424259773 602924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, int-e understands the chicken. < 1424259787 510298 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, int-hello!) < 1424259797 979549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily world < 1424259806 665453 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very zen to qualify chickens. therefore it's good. < 1424259846 916436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a transcendential thing < 1424259865 587299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1044) DO REINSTATE CHICKENS < 1424259887 318126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE CHICKEN OUT < 1424259903 767715 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas! < 1424259957 978038 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424260117 523672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :roily < 1424260181 971756 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424260333 375271 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chickens are just a co-monad in the category of birds. < 1424260375 19247 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I am not sure that that makes sense < 1424260385 471842 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is composition in the category of birds? < 1424260425 591571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :an egg < 1424260452 515907 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense < 1424260468 873342 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424260597 123021 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhelloman. Tanelle. < 1424260616 939240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if monads are monoids in the category of endofunctors, what are comonads? < 1424260671 256049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonoids in the dual category of endofunctors I think < 1424260720 765148 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I am not convinced that comonoids are a thing that is different from monoids < 1424260738 85280 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if we're still talking about chicken < 1424260771 586768 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brains suffered an out of memory error. < 1424260890 69055 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424260958 121137 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you know enough CT to assert that comonoids are a thing, and if so how they relate to comonads? < 1424260962 976229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1424260968 453986 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1424260975 874652 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun ♪ < 1424260981 731614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonads are comonoids in the category of endofunctors, like you'd expect < 1424260988 771003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however comonoids in Hask or such are boring < 1424261008 142875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get blah :: a -> () and bleh :: a -> (a,a) with laws that make it so that bleh x must be (x,x) < 1424261016 348932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're all trivial < 1424261027 559121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to mempty :: () -> a and mappend :: (a,a) -> a) < 1424261053 786640 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh indeed. < 1424261106 47968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it disappointed me too < 1424261113 462145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps there's some kinda relationship to linear logic. < 1424261122 858310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like !A is a comonoid, I think. < 1424261178 539472 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is linear logic? < 1424261200 851172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh, that's a whole 'nother story < 1424261202 752090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia knows < 1424261234 820953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424261324 383927 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be wikipédiaing later. too much blood in my coffeestream now. < 1424261336 208481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't blah and bleh the same thing? < 1424261364 818676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424261367 855822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> () < 1424261377 27267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a and a -> (a,a) should be pretty much the same thing < 1424261402 445717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an isomorphism after all? < 1424261654 36348 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MYRIAD CHICKEN < 1424261703 232602 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like ten thousand Chickens when all you need is some rice. < 1424261736 637041 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I need sleep. < 1424261933 790807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need is a thread pool full of chickens laying eggs. < 1424261950 705648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make sure they put their eggs into an MVar. < 1424261976 306960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Chicken: Just Hen | Cock < 1424262057 496785 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is an Mvar a type of basket? < 1424262379 931820 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424262424 813676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424262436 839967 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should learn Haskell ;) < 1424262463 622618 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how I was going to make the eggs in one baskett(?) joke. < 1424262550 379019 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should. I'm getting adept with JS at the moment. A vast improvement over Lua. But I feel like it doesn't contribute much to any deeper understanding of programming. < 1424262608 623045 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all "Developers! Developers! Developers!" < 1424262676 244869 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started that Haskell online book twice now. But lost focus. < 1424262814 641526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is easy < 1424262817 614090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :developping is hard < 1424262881 403916 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough. < 1424263079 790825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's no excuse to not learn haskell < 1424263137 682768 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would learning haskell help me better understand esoteric languages? < 1424263234 279508 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424263425 402514 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424263482 195832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424263489 514513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell *is* an esoteric language < 1424263514 427301 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unintentionally? < 1424263538 72797 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl let f x y z = (x && y) && (z || y || x) in f < 1424263538 219435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (ap . (((.) . (&&)) .) . (&&)) ((flip (||) .) . flip (||)) < 1424263548 174932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1424263555 738968 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ap (ap . (((.) . (&&)) .) . (&&)) ((flip (||) .) . flip (||))" looks pretty esoteric too me < 1424263663 269503 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the dots? < 1424263753 133426 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :function composition < 1424263761 975208 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(g(h(x)) = f .g . h $ x < 1424263774 481846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+1) . (*3) $ 4 < 1424263775 934605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 < 1424263802 510314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ($>) < 1424263803 895589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘$>’ < 1424263804 41898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1424263804 42034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘>>’ (imported from Control.Monad.Writer), < 1424263813 760698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@define let ($>) = flip ($) < 1424263813 907396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Parse error: EOF < 1424263817 939362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@define ($>) = flip ($) < 1424263820 249729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1424263829 644023 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 $> (*3) $> (+1) < 1424263831 214955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 < 1424263854 380274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 $> (*3) $> (+1) $> ([]) < 1424263855 669944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘b0 -> c’ with actual type ‘[t0]’ < 1424263858 71888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1424263861 748497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 $> (*3) $> (+1) $> (\c -> [c]) < 1424263863 768512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [13] < 1424263871 738771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 $> (*3) $> (+1) $> (\c -> [c,c]) $> map (*2) < 1424263873 463382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [26,26] < 1424263888 626640 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, definitely looks esoteric to me. Well made point. < 1424263941 318469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you whish! < 1424263953 595575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 $> (Just) $> fmap (+1) < 1424263955 410136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 6 < 1424263958 175281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424263968 488294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 $> (Just) $> fmap (+1) `mappend` (Just 6) < 1424263969 817177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show b0) < 1424263969 964921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M42903801347602899049054.show_M42903801347602899049... < 1424263969 965084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1424263972 825413 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1424263973 182296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424263976 461737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type mappend < 1424263977 256530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid a => a -> a -> a < 1424263988 461034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (5 $> (Just) $> fmap (+1)) `mappend` (Just 6) < 1424263990 49443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show b0) < 1424263990 195753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M31568903824889092139084.show_M31568903824889092139... < 1424263990 195900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1424263997 68242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1424264004 17149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing `mappend` Nothing < 1424264005 446775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1424264011 819798 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are one input variable functions? < 1424264013 467336 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Just 5) `mappend` (Just 6) < 1424264014 704390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1424264014 851020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M44189842421378468049108.show_M44189842421378468049... < 1424264014 851179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous < 1424264028 610289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((Just 5) `mappend` (Just 6)) :: Just Int < 1424264029 866688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected a type, < 1424264030 12971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : but ‘Data.Maybe.Just GHC.Types.Int’ has kind ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe *’ < 1424264038 198636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((Just 5) `mappend` (Just 6)) :: Maybe Int < 1424264039 290848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Monoid.Monoid GHC.Types.Int) < 1424264039 437548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘Data.Monoid.mappend’ < 1424264047 426760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1424264073 591751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((Just 5) `mappend` (Just 6)) :: Maybe () < 1424264074 675587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num ()) arising from the literal ‘5’ < 1424264081 509612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((Just ()) `mappend` (Just ())) :: Maybe () < 1424264082 752694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just () < 1424264086 140572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1424264088 916155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424264102 697380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1 mappend [Just (), Just (), Nothing] < 1424264104 49576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just () < 1424264107 895063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1 mappend [Just (), Just (), Nothing, Just ()] < 1424264109 201830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just () < 1424264136 716607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info First < 1424264136 863615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :First < 1424264140 707636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type First < 1424264141 509147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a -> First a < 1424264146 307341 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I've just witnessed a fascinated argument in Esperanto. < 1424264148 870972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle First < 1424264150 758506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid First :: Maybe a -> First a < 1424264150 904720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid newtype First a < 1424264150 904841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow first :: Arrow a => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d) < 1424264158 143721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424264166 773465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle ALl < 1424264166 969938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude all :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool < 1424264167 119722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List all :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool < 1424264167 119837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid All :: Bool -> All < 1424264184 264222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl1 mappend [All True, All False] < 1424264189 501665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1 mappend [All True, All False] < 1424264190 715450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : All {getAll = False} < 1424264194 133678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1424264200 204096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's foldl1 mappend again? < 1424264216 884661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a shortcut for that < 1424264232 949160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle foldl1 mappend < 1424264233 616995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1424264245 924057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle fold < 1424264246 125034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable fold :: (Foldable t, Monoid m) => t m -> m < 1424264246 271351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntSet fold :: (Key -> b -> b) -> b -> IntSet -> b < 1424264246 271490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap fold :: (a -> b -> b) -> b -> IntMap a -> b < 1424264250 750532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424264257 420280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl [All True, All False] < 1424264258 679877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘b -> a -> b’ < 1424264258 826165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[Data.Monoid.All]’ < 1424264261 523223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fold [All True, All False] < 1424264262 730866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : All {getAll = False} < 1424264343 233171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lists are foldable < 1424264343 997155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424264369 93931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: [] is a Foldable and All is a Monoid < 1424264369 830782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1424264371 601392 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1424264482 519882 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folding is like Burlesque's reduction? < 1424264494 792402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424264508 425106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1424264511 154523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424264530 601877 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1424264533 238572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 1 1 1}r& < 1424264533 384947 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1 < 1424264535 907283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 1 0 1}r& < 1424264536 53605 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 0 < 1424264538 958646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1424264543 385964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats fold [All ...] < 1424264648 126111 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know haskell you can extend burlesque! < 1424264788 158029 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd ever be adept enough to mess with anybody their well crafted work. < 1424264803 340352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424264880 73056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahah < 1424264885 307919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if Burlesque were well crafted < 1424264920 629176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/lisp/spec.html < 1424264923 939022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is much more well crafted < 1424264941 126152 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the first esolang I learned to program in. It holds a special place in my esteem. < 1424264982 211581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://codepad.org/kZPDim0y) < 1424265002 102407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424265005 276338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^- you can use this program to circumvent firewalls) < 1424265507 463510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you'd like to help go ahead :D < 1424265537 987061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's lots of things that need doing that can be done in the language itself < 1424265542 693352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no haskell knowledge is required < 1424265559 437804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example a lib to read/write PPM images or stuff like that) < 1424265567 882774 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424265706 90975 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could write an interpreter in Java/Python for it < 1424265707 195569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1424265709 147809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd help too < 1424265713 411592 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424265791 862586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perl, or php < 1424265796 654793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I do not have information of fungot's migration route. Although I could compute a lower bound. < 1424265796 801133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424265810 452880 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm still a ways away from implenting something as complex as Burlesque. < 1424265826 890852 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it, 349 commands? < 1424265846 29124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1424265846 746700 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424265851 773964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant implementing my Lisp Dialect < 1424265862 125360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always good to have multiple implementations available < 1424265872 666055 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Sorry. < 1424265891 745980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reimplementing Burlesque is WAAAAAAY TOOOOO MUCH effort < 1424265906 104140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ?_ < 1424265906 293833 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "I have 358 non-special builtins!" < 1424265911 507141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :358 :) < 1424265913 56532 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'll look into that. Do you have a more informal description of P~. < 1424265926 555562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the newest dev version is around 380 :) < 1424265957 498319 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody hell. < 1424266006 945113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :P~ is more or less just a LISP dialect < 1424266021 430827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you lots of example code < 1424266040 336168 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sets it apart from LISP? < 1424266090 732287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/tUx6pq4G < 1424266189 754626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks funnier? :D < 1424266219 497836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No let*, no set* < 1424266221 86148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambda < 1424266235 65554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably what sets it apart the most. < 1424266323 271344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that proving the Knaster-Tarski fixed point theorem becomes really hard if you mix up the definitions of least and post fixed points :P [for some reason, the least element of a complete lattics is not a fixed point of most monotone functions...] < 1424266351 307762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has good multithreading built-in < 1424266362 50964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what LISP has to offer there but I'm sure LISP has multithreading too < 1424266386 990741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of it as yet another LISP dialect < 1424266388 211369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1424266422 262818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like experimenting with stuff I guess < 1424266432 690499 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done anything with Lisp since I've read Godel, Escher, Bach years ago. < 1424266449 160287 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424266454 110784 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or mathemagical themas... one of those two. < 1424266498 702355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1424266503 109631 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too, but I don't seem to have your knack of producing viable offspring out of experimentation. < 1424266504 10777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always just add Burlesque to it :) < 1424266508 52633 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It galls me. < 1424266521 858964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1424266544 313591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`XX++` 123) < 1424266552 747115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1424266564 433506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :digitsum -> (`XX++` $0) < 1424266571 26362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1424266575 862218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1424266579 116141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not my plan < 1424266864 245927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: galls you? < 1424266995 919528 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the past few months, I've workend on maybe half a dosen ideas for my own language, but I never seem to be able to output anything. < 1424267028 208647 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dosen/dozen < 1424267059 855296 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing that wrong, I think. < 1424267219 146460 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I know I'm nowhere near as skilled as any of the group here, but I was hoping enthousiasm would help me to add something of myself. < 1424267276 264665 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. I'm chatty today. Sorry. < 1424267669 895261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1424267675 975499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think I feel around here? < 1424267698 517150 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to see some activity even without fungot here :P < 1424267855 365954 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your element? < 1424268041 762557 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Befunge was the first esoteric language I coded in, Burlesque second. Sorry. < 1424268287 175588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1424268299 338878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try some really esoteric languages < 1424268348 409575 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Interlingua? < 1424268361 801142 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If haskell is esoteric than burlesque true enough esoteric. < 1424268558 660840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe @in my element < 1424268570 621259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compared to 99% of the people in here I know shit about anything < 1424268912 348416 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424270493 933541 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424270645 435168 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424270827 906170 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424271242 161909 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424271622 240137 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424271698 174011 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424271876 947676 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424272773 219576 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424272815 272379 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1424272898 727856 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424273784 601022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424274011 263010 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424274359 338301 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424274389 135609 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424275244 788145 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424275342 920857 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424276114 234287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424276123 837803 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424276193 903672 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424276215 644774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a ridiculous idea on how to implement Eodermdrome < 1424276274 385786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it involve living things? < 1424276275 138394 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424276302 449678 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, only incidentally < 1424276302 596201 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424276356 513999 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424276378 853461 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424276487 502038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is it < 1424276515 942906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, transpiling it into a research language one of my lecturers made that has similar semantics < 1424276521 298718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is already implemented < 1424276564 548714 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424276595 820257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the subgraph search is the main barrier to implementation, right? < 1424276612 875800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the implementation does that then you could just reuse it < 1424276634 826046 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424276770 596560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a fair point < 1424276794 641297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I do not know the license on this code < 1424276900 240557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow wiki day < 1424276910 431629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not say? and if not you can always ask the lecturer < 1424276945 514921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(could it be down?) < 1424277027 356990 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424277033 180064 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424277375 480003 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424277551 289766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I could do < 1424277997 71294 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424278042 499017 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424278122 62344 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP 2 is approved! < 1424278576 730477 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1424278739 568249 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ? < 1424278744 505783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't like it? < 1424278760 481255 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dontknow about it < 1424278863 196374 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do I write my next Lisp in JavaScript or F# ... XD < 1424278882 18441 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : next Lisp ?? < 1424278912 704165 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy in #scheme is writing a nice js one which runs in a abrowser < 1424278937 586343 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I already wrote Heresy. < 1424278969 332174 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: HTTP/2 has a lot of cool things. Most importantly, it allows all content needed from a server to be served over a single connection < 1424278983 518023 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok coppro < 1424278992 506616 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance, if you visit a page with lots of images, all the images would be sent as requested, rather that negotiating separate connections for each one < 1424278993 682089 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely an improvement < 1424279048 708501 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlike existing pipelining, it doesn't rely on a specific order of content < 1424279058 749435 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the server can respond to the requests in whatever order it wants < 1424279069 169335 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, the web make me sad though < 1424279091 410367 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now though I think I want to write a basic string-format function for Heresy. < 1424279113 951310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/2: so SPDY. < 1424279175 774886 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda wish Heresy had a Haskell style 'show'. It would be a lot easier to write said string-formatter. < 1424279196 929592 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why dont you add it < 1424279208 441997 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should. It's a good idea. < 1424279214 377871 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to the end of sharding. < 1424279219 845321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its tricky to copy typeclasses < 1424279227 245785 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can dynamically dispatch to show < 1424279263 333006 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I probably won't go that far. But a simple (show ...) or (str ...) function that turns most arguments into their string representation should be good. < 1424279390 446697 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424279402 829875 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just extend str$ to accept lists really; or even just to (print ...) to an open string value, which would be quite easy. < 1424279559 687293 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424279590 605207 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424279663 160536 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424279758 318266 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424279834 945617 :augur_!~augur@206-196-184-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424279848 71603 :augur_!~augur@206-196-184-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424280057 287586 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424280262 37795 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an new ideas < 1424280265 867625 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1424280436 358469 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1424280441 962340 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my ideas are recycled < 1424280452 438259 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :new ideas are over-rated. < 1424280462 303465 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bored help me out :) < 1424280469 634788 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone veen looking into anything cool < 1424280472 535534 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New ideas for languages, presumably? < 1424280478 626341 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything < 1424280561 184715 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about new, but there's stuff I haven't seen implemented or talked about much. < 1424280568 828277 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1424280723 845515 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. what char to use for the templat value signal. < 1424280898 373524 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp tradition tends to use ~, C tradition is %, and the BASIC standard (seldom implemented) is #. < 1424280924 512538 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought of using _, just because it seemed like a value less likely to be needed as a regular character. < 1424280933 582384 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I thought I had something bookmarked. < 1424280957 859544 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424280963 177878 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the letter e < 1424281008 771779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And theen usee thee usual trick of doubling thee eescapee characteer to seelf-inseert. < 1424281025 338178 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1424281077 531304 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket supports Unicode. A shame there's not a Unicode value for the Elder Sign. < 1424281156 485496 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424281170 884306 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424281189 462572 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various kinds of non-classical logic can be interesting. < 1424281234 198819 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see much being done with those. < 1424281248 241795 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424281285 361452 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of logic? < 1424281311 172503 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fuzzy logic actually is pretty well known for AI stuff. < 1424281348 215556 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember reading about modal logic being used for computation, but a quick search turned up a pdf on it. < 1424281418 431372 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the article on Gsome reek logic of discussion system or whatever. < 1424281540 374789 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modal < 1424281575 814197 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it doesn't completely go to pseudoprobablity on that fuzzy logic < 1424281598 294684 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my chances in [0,1] < 1424281778 996394 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424281979 279308 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-180.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424282069 539669 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, another idea I'll try to write about some later is on chatbots. < 1424282122 489810 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically taking a regular chat bot, and using it as a node in a network that passes messages to each other. < 1424282169 144082 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to start with you'd have a learning bot that tries to mimmic visitors, but it'd pick up dumb stuff from people messing with it. < 1424282238 769653 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you had a non-learning chatbot trained to just paraphrase anything said to it politely, you could use it to filte anything said to the first bot. < 1424282276 609283 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd put heavy weight on the filter < 1424282285 426480 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the pair of bots as a network would appear as one bot that sort of mimmics people, but tries to sound polite. < 1424282313 814944 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum < 1424282330 549850 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find that Gsome reek logic thing < 1424282335 437262 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it to me < 1424282387 833684 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wee! That was as easy as I expected. < 1424282417 270983 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424282417 829167 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just whatever it is where categories of thigns are descriped as "all x are y", "some x are y", "not all x are y", and "no x are y". < 1424282444 402290 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think is used in the type of argument that involves two postulates and one conclusion? < 1424282455 533410 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1424282459 23911 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote my first version of a string formatter. < 1424282701 600860 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424282892 600887 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424282905 525525 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember any of the terms I want to sue here. < 1424282908 724099 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1424282929 356853 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just eat and take a nap. < 1424283342 600847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424283968 408405 :spiette!~spiette@modemcable098.165-202-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424284669 532343 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424284865 143196 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424284999 601627 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424285061 354161 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424285102 85429 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I talked a bit about reversible computation in #haskell < 1424285104 396253 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can read it if you like < 1424285144 601614 :NotSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424285167 600406 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424285180 342366 :NotSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424285189 202720 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424285362 476930 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424285608 628530 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424286056 768260 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? vanila < 1424286091 466852 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reversible computation sounds nice. < 1424286098 640452 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #haskell < 1424286098 787198 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fascinating subject! < 1424286103 135679 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's over < 1424286107 825729 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can see the logs < 1424286181 213753 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go, he thing I was thinking of. < 1424286193 486069 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition < 1424286295 620255 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : you lied to me vanila , you are strawberry < 1424286298 83124 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : surely that'd be "strawbery"? < 1424286299 493468 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1424286559 223005 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, what about a programming language with classes, in which classes are described in terms of categorical propositions? < 1424286588 209612 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-180.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424286632 483487 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess logic programming is a basic example of this < 1424286641 330094 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-180.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424286649 671426 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-180.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424286649 904367 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you write out assertions of facts < 1424286665 988058 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-180.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424286720 891166 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jeffreycwitt/catlogic this was linked from the wiki page < 1424286734 83168 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you peddling LogicT, by the way, vanila < 1424286749 915942 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never talked about it < 1424286794 522591 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit's reversible < 1424286798 426738 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1424286814 645660 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like it's a different type of reversible, not sure.. < 1424286920 903522 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-180.public.wayport.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424287080 695347 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn, im having a problem with xz < 1424287085 909438 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blu < 1424287087 933598 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now < 1424287640 761470 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424287916 222191 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I did for fun this evening: https://github.com/jarcane/heresy/blob/master/lib/string.rkt#L78 < 1424288012 719737 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424288214 590535 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424289412 102190 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on http://orteil.dashnet.org/randomgen/?gen=http://mdude1350.webs.com/generators/random-code/IBNIZ-basic-generator.txt < 1424289559 947603 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424289653 351415 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It produces random texts which, most of the time, are syntactically valid IBNIZ programs. < 1424289655 434623 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1424289655 914019 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1424289716 716662 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424289727 424318 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I'm trying to reduce the probability of boring programs without making the results too predetermined. < 1424289746 803566 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are making completely random ones? < 1424289762 279996 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have 1.7e21 heavenly chips < 1424289765 690413 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm trying to do. < 1424289811 869963 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orteil.dashnet.org/randomgen/?gen=http://mdude1350.webs.com/generators/random-code/IBNIZ-simple-generator.txt < 1424289826 687399 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a earlier version of it. < 1424289847 424230 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, I want to avoid stuff like adding a number only to immediately pop it. < 1424289881 463515 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or putting two constants in and doing an operation that just makes a third constant. < 1424289883 588774 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424289904 36335 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that just uses up space. < 1424289911 539933 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want them to be random, but terse. < 1424289936 971418 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is that adding commands completely randomly causes stack over and underflows. < 1424289972 427214 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at first, I was just trying to string together commands that added up to a net change of zero to the number of items in the stack. < 1424290010 840166 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that can still cause underflows early in the program depending on what order things end up in. < 1424290051 660297 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424290122 619614 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be easier to made random programs in a language that groups with parentheses, I think. < 1424290136 259264 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least has a BNF definition written up. < 1424290211 437043 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424290378 365108 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424290402 919886 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424290914 417363 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424290963 822516 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was saying before my computer turned off, most languages don't do A/V as simply as IBNIZ does. < 1424291004 524476 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could try making something for http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ which is audio-only. < 1424291389 544104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424291564 354030 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424293415 34563 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424293569 923414 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424293723 375985 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: BY A/V you mean audio and video? < 1424293925 400725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :architecture/ventriloquism < 1424294149 254241 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cfsgwyxrnktcqohm JOIN :#esoteric < 1424294621 735530 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424294717 242287 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424294732 245038 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1424295210 310013 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424295265 566811 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, audeio/video. That's what IBNIZ does with whatever's on the stack after each cycle the programs runs. < 1424295422 420512 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424295547 938294 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: IBNIZ is a pretty great thing. < 1424295634 78571 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the case. < 1424295754 365509 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it'd be simple to generate arbitrary programs in this text generator, but it seems to really not like recursion. < 1424296469 897169 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424296801 797310 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424297008 591743 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I forgot to define what operators are. < 1424297019 382714 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both porbably. < 1424299331 343980 :spiette!~spiette@modemcable098.165-202-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424300564 925277 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424301448 36437 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.91.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424301480 186629 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the wiki down? < 1424301523 575555 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.91.86 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424302004 315059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424302018 119910 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1424302032 74528 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy asked about the wiki, "it down?" < 1424302033 276381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1424302033 420271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 3m 56s ago: I do not have information of fungot's migration route. Although I could compute a lower bound. < 1424302042 960992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fiendish < 1424302047 261158 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1424302081 850307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks down < 1424302085 189255 :AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. Some Guy here. < 1424302088 984358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not someone who can fix it. < 1424302102 796865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, may i recommend downforeveryoneorjustme < 1424302104 834996 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we call in Stallman? < 1424302115 965860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fizzie or Gregor < 1424302138 244056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly they both look idle < 1424302157 843940 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie are terrorists attacking your servers? You may need to do something about it < 1424302182 957440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: the server is known to be crap, it's free hosting. < 1424302195 855109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so outages are to be expected. < 1424302208 761409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo hi < 1424302208 905325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo hi"]} target:#esoteric rest:"hi" < 1424302211 904481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1424302214 357215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1424302230 804660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh HackEgo isn't even here < 1424302242 887189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely the server is physically down, then. < 1424302249 799879 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie rescind that previous statment, did a stiff breeze cause the servers to reformat? < 1424302278 693470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: fizzie is likely to be asleep, he's in britain and has a job... < 1424302287 613631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has been idle for 5 hours < 1424302305 966328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has also been idle for 5 hours, but is normally in canada these days < 1424302340 902128 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :site admins that sleep < 1424302356 264227 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that, site admins that are awake < 1424302372 105421 :AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.91.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Thanks for the downforeveryone... tip. Didn't know about that. Handy. < 1424302386 41422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately there are only those two that can access the server as opposed to just the wiki. < 1424302394 8889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for _some_ things, only Gregor can. < 1424302429 337095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's nifty < 1424302442 61682 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424302452 288777 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it send multiple requests from different locations? < 1424302463 17074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1424302471 292191 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a free proxy view site < 1424302498 545657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424302501 4614 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great way to get around robot.txt < 1424302511 120159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i consider the tests conclusive enough for the moment. < 1424302572 393151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Gregor while nominally more likely to be awake, also has a history of being much less active here than fizzie. < 1424302661 697563 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like having an invisible pink unicorn in a world that only has unicorns, and no invisibility capabilities < 1424302696 152120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1424303313 898636 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424303474 841794 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424303685 627578 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424303736 921662 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes < 1424303781 187492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a great way to get around robot.txt < 1424303794 651122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the best way to do that not to just... ignore robots.txt? < 1424303815 984990 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what you need to do with third-parties that respect robot.txt < 1424303910 254317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1424304026 299801 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1424304185 876364 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orteil.dashnet.org/randomgen/?gen=http://mdude1350.webs.com/generators/random-code/one-liner.txt < 1424304425 569964 :wool!47b76c17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.183.108.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424304553 751877 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=(Math.log(sin(215%26t)))-(Math.sqrt(124%7Ct))%2Bcos((tan(t))%26201%7Ct)%20&oneliner2=(Math.log(sin(215%26t)))-(Math.sqrt(124%7Ct))%2Bsin(sin(cos(117%7Ct)))&t0=0&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1424304699 497400 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking byte bytes < 1424304705 556128 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte beats < 1424304869 734082 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random number generator is not always the best composer. < 1424304887 801519 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it did come up with this as I was typing that: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=t%3E%3E(sin(t*28))%7Ct%20&oneliner2=t%3E%3E(198-t*(Math.log(t%7C62)))%2F(cos(cos(233%3E%3Et)))&t0=0&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1424304983 913255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius late < 1424305113 43826 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that weird comic? < 1424305414 416802 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=Math.sqrt(81*t)%3E%3Et%25121%20&oneliner2=Math.sqrt(81*t)%3E%3Et&t0=0&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1424305893 638418 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424305949 138821 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424305954 362766 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424306301 112043 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see my name highlighted multiple times. < 1424306309 777539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alive! < 1424306320 976319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the wiki server is/was down < 1424306373 173911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that is < 1424306450 732971 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424306465 683976 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :install gentoo < 1424306485 155032 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do resolution changes permanently resize windows? < 1424306501 694297 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it's very down. Weird. < 1424306504 70135 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll kick the server. < 1424306516 705465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has his oculus rift < 1424306523 321042 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424306602 913210 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424306648 658116 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has his occultus rift. < 1424306650 961903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424306671 934957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is this the portal-to-another-dimension kind < 1424306691 39243 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a portal to the esolangs server panel, anyway. < 1424306840 318299 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1424306956 208189 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=Math.sqrt(t*253)%2Btan(Math.sqrt(166%7Ct))%20&oneliner2=Math.sqrt(t*253)%2BMath.log(tan(cos(57-t)))&t0=1000&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1424307177 686183 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424307235 396757 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424307581 625876 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1424307611 998687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's back < 1424307628 421339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but HackEgo hasn < 1424307634 173014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t rejoined the channel < 1424308006 632939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: syllogisms hth < 1424308191 894933 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, that's the other thing I was thinking of. < 1424308196 386559 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks oerjan. < 1424308204 66732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1424308324 579354 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what I was thinking with categorical propositions was to have it used in OOP to make inheritence better/worse. < 1424308419 896101 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424308448 976331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :All JavaBeanVisitorFactories are Factories < 1424308451 804003 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's what I was thinking. < 1424308462 334041 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that. < 1424308466 990023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1424308468 466201 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1424308481 579379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION _was_ joking hth hth < 1424308492 68407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also forgetting the script bug < 1424308504 848874 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant you entered that right before me,,. < 1424308580 236614 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424308613 193152 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, the idea was mostly that if you has "some" or "not all" of a class as something, you could more easily have exceptions to things. < 1424308651 332766 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other parts would know that such exceptions are possible, as oppossed to if it was "all" or "none". < 1424308703 170650 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you could have conditionals like "if (instance) might be a (class)". < 1424308748 867655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424308790 273714 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is the fine joke. < 1424309119 275180 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424309135 889751 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer wont turb on < 1424309143 589051 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just shows a black screeb < 1424309172 840168 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424309348 855042 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a burnt out backlight on a laptop is it? < 1424309381 933820 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would i tell? < 1424309398 940047 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen does turb on < 1424309406 585015 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn < 1424309436 457025 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even see POST stuff < 1424309492 369589 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could tell by shining a flashlight on the screen or hooking up an external monitor < 1424309604 712189 :Thedarkb!~thedarkb@86-43-192-3-dynamic.b-ras1.wtd.waterford.eircom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424309660 547302 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rift counts as external monitor i think < 1424309679 953755 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy it didn't receive video info when i do that < 1424309759 501128 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time this happen ed, one of my name restarts was black as usual but eventually showed windows login screen < 1424309790 142853 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have been pressing F8 or something < 1424309799 488727 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to lose my mind < 1424309814 555638 :Thedarkb!~thedarkb@86-43-192-3-dynamic.b-ras1.wtd.waterford.eircom.net PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!" < 1424310046 906784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424310108 636646 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I dissasembledmy laptop to see if I could fix the screen problems. Now the screen seems to have stopped acting up... but the touchpad doesn't work. < 1424310171 670610 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most recent restart seems to be working < 1424310182 341089 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense of getting the Lenovo logo < 1424310199 109261 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to try to be patient now < 1424310244 929652 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided I can live with using an external mouse all the time < 1424310449 783936 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=((t%3E%3E88*(Math.log(6%2Ft)))%2B(t%7C(cos(sin(242%25t)))))%25(t%7C78)%26(83%25t)%20&oneliner2=%20((t%3E%3E88*(Math.log(6%2Ft)))%2B(t%7C(cos(sin(242%25t)))))%25(234%3E%3Et-227%7Ct)*(sin(sin(t)))&t0=1000&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1424310576 647006 :AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.91.86 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1424310583 454325 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424310592 487926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: well... that's interesting. < 1424310600 619429 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424310677 124091 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to have it put parens. < 1424310757 430348 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424310862 603315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424310906 274841 :wool!47b76c17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.183.108.23 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1424310950 113155 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424311074 180334 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424311171 732714 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mrob.com/pub/ries/zeta.html - this is one of the best-sounding simple mathematical things I know of. < 1424311206 241170 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424311347 11669 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424312148 488969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424312872 428799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently typing this from in a nebula of some sort < 1424312888 190232 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the resolution is crap, I can barely make out the words I am typing < 1424312901 928225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it omg full of stars? < 1424312916 997467 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you say "omg full of stars"? < 1424312928 938054 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a starfield option, but it's crap, it looks like a posterboard near me < 1424313020 120382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a real nebula then < 1424313946 799216 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I should put my glasses on < 1424313951 851771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closed right eye, everything got fuzzy < 1424313956 362117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what reality does too < 1424314271 972312 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424315222 70805 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424316688 395060 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1424316711 753435 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424317331 986360 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424317358 793777 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1424317695 590527 :Sgeo|phone!~androirc@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1424321291 324196 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cfsgwyxrnktcqohm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424322369 397616 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424322595 201827 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1424322626 67635 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1424322680 936241 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDXX < 1424322791 306268 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ifgqebgwkdjgvnii QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424322847 618346 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDIII < 1424322855 330386 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424322989 749370 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayyy :) < 1424323017 307995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424323032 610892 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :return: None < 1424323061 860575 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally am Complete shit at coding I have no idea how I got here < 1424323076 241662 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill just go practice and whateverrr < 1424323118 503487 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds cool. I'd stay to talk about stuff, but I'm probably better off getting to bed earlier. < 1424323128 450104 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of being more alert to get things done. < 1424323197 259435 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424323279 92283 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go sleep Mdream ya need it for the stuff we gonna do tommorow < 1424324087 561491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424324384 903806 :Oolicile!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424324400 370581 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424324581 376742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424325660 125237 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qemwbknysindboan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424326190 892987 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424326219 189126 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424326309 967674 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424327025 429851 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424327124 912847 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424328075 125403 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424328271 259789 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424329841 212888 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424330035 402454 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424330059 665566 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1424330471 863572 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424331298 385642 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424333653 281416 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jkdbifcvisfmpeca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424335041 766782 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.86 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424335187 914187 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424335190 386293 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424336866 468404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424338544 750669 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424340798 601387 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424340836 665388 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424340841 53677 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424340863 892517 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424341098 464620 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424341437 50379 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424342095 810072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1424342164 833330 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424342356 601403 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424342380 760395 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424342392 600443 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424342407 281571 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424342530 817583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 6 life, opponent has 20. Opponent has Arcane Laboratory and Asceticism in play, you have a Soltari Foot Soldier. It's the start of the opponent's turn, both of you have no lands, but have some suspended Lotus Blooms so that the opponent can play a spell his turn, you can play a spell your turn, and a spell in your next turn, but that's all. < 1424342565 585078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1424342612 706149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might not work, I need some more cards < 1424342616 99753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think < 1424342766 867152 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424342778 184686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, let you also have a Bedlam in play. Both of you hvae some mathcing 1/1 creatures that are vanilla or have no relevant abilities (flying or first strike are ok), and you also have an Echoing Decay. < 1424342811 496226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opponent will play a creature, and the only way you can win is by playing the same creature then playing Echoing Decay on your own creature next turn, then beating him with the Soltari. < 1424342830 489130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that works for your Babson thing, though it's not very elegant. < 1424343369 276839 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424343542 238574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The key is Echoing) < 1424343624 808399 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424343639 445360 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424344846 11498 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424345246 615664 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424345444 505739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AndoDaan https://github.com/FMNSSun/P/tree/master/psrc/std < 1424345444 689949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424345539 297216 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424345627 723938 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424345642 604851 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424345662 609065 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424345837 240706 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424345876 519527 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhout < 1424345958 947962 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424346000 570639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lisp dialect has a module system now < 1424346055 121623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is it just the scheme r7rs module system? < 1424346163 869315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No there are *.pm files < 1424346174 767449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains a list of files to load < 1424346182 154518 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. other *.pm files or *.p files < 1424346186 124746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.p files contain actually code < 1424346193 164270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.pm just is a list of includes < 1424346197 725602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1424346207 933026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :map_par.pm includes prelude.pm and map_par.p < 1424346214 73483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prelude.pm includes prelude.p < 1424346229 344794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so including map_par.pm results in loading map_par.p and prelude.p < 1424346457 443763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? why do you call them *.pm ? that's the extension we use for perl < 1424346469 353985 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424346571 400879 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424346589 933108 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424346910 864379 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1424346911 49804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1424347120 241974 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have some massages. < 1424347236 932964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah < 1424347242 444772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time I've had a massage. I'm overdue to have my feet lightly marinated, then forcefully reflexed by strong thumbs. < 1424347251 689849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one to three letter extensions it's hard to take anything that hasn't been used yet < 1424347454 972212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, but still, perl is already complicated because *.pl is used for two things < 1424348152 895846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog < 1424348157 181137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1424348199 422504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I can massage you over TCP. < 1424348199 568709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424348212 365701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott taught me < 1424348248 385702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only over UDP-based massages. < 1424348499 315906 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the feeling of a lower ACK massage... < 1424348507 503853 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear < 1424348507 650447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: clear-auto-reply clear-messages clear-topic learn < 1424348512 315858 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-massages < 1424348512 462423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1424348537 313970 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ANATOMIC CHICKEN < 1424349104 578031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*offer < 1424349345 496331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"ERUDITE POULTRY" < 1424349348 851850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1424349670 849019 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424349851 214833 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424349851 361497 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424350199 934352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these fast convolution algorithms (various kinds of fast fourier transforms on various types of elements, plus the Nussbaumer convolution algorithm) are magical, and I think I should try to understand them at least a little. < 1424350210 826692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't fully understand them, but I should try to understand them partially. < 1424350535 116443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are you familiar with polynomial rings? < 1424350797 489480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, http://cr.yp.to/papers.html#m3 is a very terse but uniform description of various tricks surrounding fast multiplication (including FFT). < 1424350952 970044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there's also the Cormen-Leiserson-Rivest-Stein book which gives a nice description < 1424350956 147910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Knuth of course) < 1424351000 68184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the reference < 1424351258 56625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I'd like to understand whether fourier transforms on real or complex numbers (whether approximated with fixed point or floating point) are really always more useful for convolution than ones on finite fields (called "number theoretic transforms" for some reason), or just more popular. < 1424351269 838490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might not be able to answer this. < 1424351366 881463 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424351537 377748 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424351759 265096 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424351987 183281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: as a data point, https://gmplib.org/repo/gmp-6.0/file/2ff56d3c5dfe/mpn/generic/mul_fft.c does FFT modulo various 2^N+1 (note that for normal FFT's, you need 2 to be invertible, and a suitable root of unity; you don't actually need a field.) < 1424352058 887633 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I see < 1424352098 672441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existence of the root is ensured by making N divisible by a large enough power of 2. (If N = 2^k l, then 2^l is a 2^(k+1)-th root of unity modulo 2^N+1) < 1424352218 649851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I can see the basic problem, namely that for many practical applications, you'd have to use a 32-bit integer to represent an element of the field, but then to do four multiplication in that field, you need not one instructions, but like ten: you need two separate 32-bit-to-64-bit multiplications, some rearrangements, then two 32-bit-to-32-bit multiplications and lots of extra instructions to do the modulus by a constant. < 1424352302 394890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, finite fields are a bit awkward. :) < 1424352377 924111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel is doing something about that for small GF(2^k) at least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLMUL_instruction_set < 1424352384 462983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with real numbers, these smart modern algorithms avoid _most_ of the penalty of having to use complexes rather than reals, and you just have to use single multiplications with reals, or a few instructions with reals. < 1424352437 749289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's for cryptography, but is GF(2^k) relevant for convolutions? I thought you need a field with characteristic at least as large as the size of data in my input and output, < 1424352450 908920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the modulo 2^N+1 thing is really quite clever: Multiplying by the root of unity is a shift (or perhaps just an offset for addresses) and reduction moduloy 2^N+1 is basically one subtraction. < 1424352463 695383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. if I want to convolve image data with 8-bit deep pixels, I need at least 16 bit deep data, in fact more because you have to add logarithm of the array size. < 1424352476 702713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: probably not :) < 1424352529 161964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you said you don't really need a field, but still, I don't see how GF(2^k) would work here < 1424352640 144662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm a victim of free association :P < 1424352739 738753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Perhaps one can implement multiplication over fields of order 2^(kn). < 1424352760 191616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly it just doesn't work. (You can't even use the base 2 FFTs, because 2 = 0) < 1424353539 58882 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cute use for FFT is string searching with single-letter wildcards. < 1424353647 921637 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people (such as GMP developers) prefer finite fields because they don't want to deal with floating point rounding. < 1424353800 280179 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424353812 438394 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424353966 441668 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or finite-field-like-rings) < 1424353977 574930 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks rings < 1424354000 454933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it needn't be floating point. you can represent the complexes with fixed point numbers. the Knuth book explains how that's supposed to be enough to work for Schonhage-Strassen integer multiplication. < 1424354011 59807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: they're only using that for really large numbers; the smallest N for i386 is 464, which has to be multiplied be approximately 32, I guess. < 1424354043 469344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to get a number of bits) < 1424354044 921782 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need to consider rounding for fixed-point numbers. < 1424354050 979120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, because there's other algorithms to multiply integers < 1424354052 917129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder < 1424354058 855441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. "sufficiently field-like rings". < 1424354097 449722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there also simple algorithms to convolve polynomials that aren't O(n*polylog(n)) operations like FFT-based ones, but instead just O(n**p) where p is between 1 and 2? < 1424354120 521958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there are, analogous to integer multiplication < 1424354149 484044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: But you're probably right that there's no floating point FFT in libgmp. At least I don't recall seeing one. < 1424354176 399318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether these can be faster than FFT stuff in reality < 1424354188 311846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they can, I should try to read up on that < 1424354351 699428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure; the integer multiplications are implemented as polynomial multiplications after all. So the Karatsuba trick is: (ax + b)(cx + d) = ac x^2 + ((a+b)(c+d) - ac - bd) x + bd < 1424354388 184470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, the question is how fast that could be for the kind of operations I'm interested in < 1424354422 755417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely, you still can't get away with only 16-bit multiplications, even if the input is only 8 bits in size < 1424354443 93641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need 32 bits for all intermediate results < 1424354454 834931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what kind of platform are you targeting? < 1424354482 86725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(32 bit arithmetic doesn't scare me) < 1424354500 279996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: let's say modern x86_64 cpus with SSE4_1 instructions and a decent cache, so 32 bit arithmetic is available, it's just more expensive than 16 bit one < 1424354507 638796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need twice the memory < 1424354548 660732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course I'd like to know a bit in general, not just answers for this < 1424354580 911042 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424354640 633921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may matter a lot about the speed how the intermediate results fit in the caches < 1424354710 201715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it matters whether I'm doing merely 1D convolution or 2D < 1424354713 305883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you mentioned the degree of the involved polynomials? < 1424354713 609242 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the convolution algorithms don't use division, it doesn't matter what the register size is, you should still get the remainder of the correct result (for integer polynomials) < 1424354746 200932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered that the coefficients are 8 bit numbers (unsigned? signed? it probably doesn't matter much.) < 1424354787 753509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, but even then, the final results in each digit is the sum of n multiplications of two 8-bit resutls, where n is oyur array size, whcih is still more than 16 bits < 1424354793 191780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so no < 1424354821 465132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 8 bit unsigned, but I'm also interested in cases where you want more precision than that < 1424354849 722969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know how you're hoping to fit the final result into 16 bits in the first place. < 1424354850 821700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm thinking mostly of degrees up to 2048 < 1424354853 337898 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, you need more than 16 bits to store the result no matter what algorithm is used. < 1424354866 205358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, even the final result doesn't fit < 1424354872 654733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1424354948 522509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 bits, hmm. that's tight. < 1424354972 868255 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another cute thing about the FFT mod 2^N+1 is that it always gives you the correct result mod 2^N+1, which is useful for people playing with Fermat numbers. < 1424354988 283259 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/FFT/FFT multiplication/ < 1424355138 153605 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424355542 937988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the CHICKEN! have a history of Poulet! which appeared out of nowhere on 2012-08-08. < 1424355594 533344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sufficiently round chicken in space is just a dwarf-planet. < 1424355625 272066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can spawn asteroids. < 1424355724 958536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/eboilution.txt < 1424356615 958748 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424356979 236246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, using 16 bit arithmetic would be totally unrealistic < 1424357019 964317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to imagine how the Karatsuba-based convolution would really work, as in, how much temporary space it uses and then what operations it does on what arrays in what order < 1424357635 729925 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1424357897 340883 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424358039 215435 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424358060 933901 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424358320 738577 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424358320 922076 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1424358320 922187 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424359212 600356 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424359708 209857 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424359789 601108 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424360146 821820 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424360385 88986 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1424361177 573455 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424361194 223107 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424361952 908181 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424362058 734685 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424362578 700852 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424362835 230882 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424363380 508618 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424363382 598442 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424363850 901817 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1424363922 975302 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is beating his head over what exactly is "total" about total functional programming that uses corecursion and codata to work on "infinite" data structures < 1424363965 965704 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do realize that on a finitary computer, those "infinite" data structures aren't actually infinite, and when you try to realize them, it... doesn't terminate. don't they? < 1424363983 846494 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, btw < 1424364086 122624 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1424364258 345801 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Koen_ < 1424364286 606790 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424364294 603921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424364315 169557 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I witnessed a Master 2 class (Master 2 meaning fifth year of college) where the students were asked the complexity of an algorithm about inversing n x n matrices < 1424364324 276383 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they agreed the complexity was n < 1424364328 433505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they produce böhm trees without bottoms. that's nice. < 1424364352 92920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the limit, of course) < 1424364372 995487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, the distinguishing property of codata is productivity; you don't consider the fully unrolled trees, but only what you get after "one step" < 1424364388 878674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] -- and initial segments can be computed in finite time < 1424364390 344373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1424364403 740145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is productivity) < 1424364407 167732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"looking further" is considered an explicit operation rather than something you can ascribe to the result in the abstract < 1424364443 90862 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you try to "observe" it you're disturbing it? sounds quantic < 1424364452 567315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's pretty lazy :) < 1424364456 955133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have "f : A -> Colist B", you know that (f x) is always something, you can look at as much of it as you want < 1424364462 747131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas in Haskell it could bomb out) < 1424364502 616119 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter odd [2,4..] < 1424364505 937581 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that grates against my idea of "total". w.r.t. how "total" is used in computability, anyway. *how do you know how much of it you want* < 1424364506 397152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1424364507 955270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: an alternative way of thinking about it is that functions are codata too. (Nat -> A) is exactly the same as (Colist A), and it's still "total" because we can look at as many "elements" as we want, even if the tree of them is infinitely deep < 1424364540 449584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's funny how people still try to invent total turing complete languages < 1424364574 953081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: er, Stream A. < 1424364577 490740 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://github.com/wouter-swierstra/ < 1424364578 94139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colist can end. < 1424364599 729309 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong url < 1424364599 971177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata allows that. the non-termination comes from trying to write a codata structure (like a stream) out completely. < 1424364602 445895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colist A would be, like, {f : Nat -> Maybe A | forall i, isNothing (f i) -> forall j, j >= i -> isNothing (f j)}. < 1424364631 412993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably come up with a function type for, like, potentially infinite binary trees too, it'll just be annoying. this gets kinda domain theory-ish < 1424364633 333598 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/wouter-swierstra/Brainfuck/ and my inquiry https://github.com/wouter-swierstra/Brainfuck/issues/1 < 1424364666 447214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can do Partial A as {f : Nat -> Maybe A | forall i j, i >= j -> f i >= f j}, where Just >= Just, Just >= Nothing, Nothing >= Nothing < 1424364679 772769 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict the author wrote this to demonstrate that you can have something which is both total and Turing-complete < 1424364715 632023 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may be true, for his definition of total -- but it's hard to fit it into my idea of total. < 1424364717 447280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A system is total iff it always produces a final result." <-- but the totality refers to functions whose codomain can be codata. < 1424364721 75515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition of "total functional programming" is just that every function is total < 1424364725 820429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not considering it as a global property < 1424364738 811574 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right. and to me, an infinite list is not a final result < 1424364748 322246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: let's put it this way -- it's the same argument as haskell being pure < 1424364757 498029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the point of view of running a haskell program, obviously it's not < 1424364762 497179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is you have an RTS to walk the pure results < 1424364775 152860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *the pure descriptions of effects < 1424364778 533040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, you have [something] to walk the brainfuck execution trail < 1424364790 211207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is closing a circle. In math, it's perfectly clear what a total function is. If you consider functions on natural numbers, then that notion happens to conicide with terminating functions on a Turing machine. But *defining* totality through termination is wrong once infinite data is involved.) < 1424364795 117855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Agda's IO is actually codata, so you can write a full Agda brainfuck interpreter and have the RTS chase the codata for you, potentially forever.) < 1424364806 115248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm *very* sloppy) < 1424364859 815010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what I mean is that total, partial recursive functions on naturals are terminating) < 1424364869 762493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/conor.mcbride/pub/Totality.pdf this is about this exact topic, and might help. < 1424364881 309395 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424364900 806187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :McBride is probably the strongest advocate of totality =/= turing-incompleteness. he even told me off about it once even though I agree :( < 1424364922 574533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh I see that Wouter is attacking the same point.) < 1424364940 789141 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably just stop using the term "total", honestly. < 1424365000 503385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, totality in this sense is still a good guarantee. < 1424365009 922548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I wrote, it's a perfectly sensible term for saying that a partial function, is, in fact, nowhere undefined. < 1424365011 977367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know your programs won't get "stuck" < 1424365017 306828 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well yes < 1424365018 746280 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok look < 1424365025 65932 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't talk to both of you at once < 1424365033 158967 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely talk to one of you at once < 1424365035 192997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though of course if you just go back and model general recursion again you don't gain anything from the internal POV)x < 1424365038 195334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1424365043 450644 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok nevermind < 1424365050 785070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll shut up < 1424365051 634407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-x < 1424365077 762965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afk for a bit anyway. < 1424365079 521695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1424365090 44092 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qemwbknysindboan QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424365093 464093 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often the limit as to how many computation steps a computer can afford to take invloves factors beyond the architecture of the computer itself. < 1424365151 847183 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat comes to mind < 1424365191 485572 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to at least stop using "total" to describe Turing machines that always halt (sorry Kozen), because if you want to look at it as *each transition* of the TM, with the *option* to GET the next transition, well then of COURSE each transition terminates. < 1424365195 436327 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not helpful. < 1424365209 256506 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to look at it that way. at least, not to me.) < 1424365213 762916 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until zeno machines exist, I'm not too worried about the contradictions that might happen if my turing machines runs an infinite amount of time. < 1424365239 326512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this use of "total" to describe languages comes from Turner's Total Functional Programming, as the obvious generalisation of talking about writing total functions. < 1424365250 383517 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*run < 1424365263 925583 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. linked to in that github issue. i read it (mostly). some parts i like. others, not so much < 1424365311 547445 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... you can't write a self-interpreter in this... but you are thinking you might write an operating system in it? really? < 1424365321 552660 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is distinct from a machine that could get stuck infinitely trying to proccess one command. < 1424365419 246690 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I'm a bit "worried" about such contradictions, but they don't keep me up at night. < 1424365425 879382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can write a self-interpreter in a way. < 1424365433 762063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't write ProgramWithType A -> A. < 1424365434 244978 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424365435 64356 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could call such mcachines micricode-total. < 1424365441 264549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can write ProgramWithType -> Partial A, with the codata partiality monad. < 1424365441 434880 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*microcode-total. < 1424365451 61832 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just micro-total. < 1424365470 68062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write the computation internally (like you can model IO in Haskell), you just can't prove that it actually always finishes, because Goedel. < 1424365492 753151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that paper defines 0 / 0 = 0 instead of doing something reasonable though. and probably doesn't cover codata or dependent types? I wouldn't want to program in "Haskell with a termination checker" < 1424365496 127189 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: partiality monad in a total functional language, is that right? < 1424365508 518940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: like IO monad in a pure functional language, sure < 1424365523 191573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping? < 1424365531 730490 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :entirely black horse with white legs < 1424365533 201736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424365534 965173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define it easily with a normal codata mechanism, even prove things terminate and so on < 1424365548 928886 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.k.a. oxymoron < 1424365550 153674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven RTS that will chase it forever, you can use it to write any potentially non-terminating program you want, like that brainfuck interpreter does < 1424365595 283762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, cpressey is here? < 1424365600 791431 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1424365602 412640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be enough to make me pay attention to the channle < 1424365603 897291 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm Phantom_Hoover < 1424365605 515916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1424365606 972777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can define the partiality monad regardless of language support for doing things for it. it's like saying the ability to define "data MyIO = GetChar (Char -> MyIO) | PutChar Char MyIO | Halt" makes Haskell an impure language *shrug* < 1424365608 248398 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: eat that < 1424365621 304935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm cool with it, i'm actually aloril < 1424365903 553790 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a total function from partial objects to partial objects is nice. i'm not contesting that. i'm trying to say that it doesn't tell you much about the properties of the program that uses them. and that's really the important part, isn't it < 1424365907 607228 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424365938 352853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't personally see, e.g. (Colist Nat) as a partial object < 1424365943 456587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really deep into definition-arguing though < 1424365972 914831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I can't see any way to claim (f : Colist A -> Colist B) can't be total without claiming (f : (Nat -> A) -> (Nat -> B)) can't be total, since the two are exactly isomorphic. < 1424366015 5628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. *Stream for Colist there (sigh) < 1424366036 398291 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sobs < 1424366047 704963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too old for this < 1424366055 788023 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1424366077 415938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you still have the ability to program computers without burning out < 1424366077 562470 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, no one here will care, but Cat's Eye Technologies has a Twitter account now. https://twitter.com/catseye_tc < 1424366094 387388 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I eat a lot of fruit? < 1424366094 738221 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best of news. < 1424366097 889863 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't < 1424366102 609659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a lot of fancy unicode quotes < 1424366120 909002 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424366130 354878 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1424366130 804442 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as many as some of the weirdos I'm following < 1424366151 54192 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're much better at it than I < 1424366338 287345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode quotes as in < 1424366340 182848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote unicode < 1424366345 269231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as in “”? < 1424366348 536361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1424366350 236052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unicode < 1424366352 224470 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would learning about corecursion help me with my consternation here, or should I just give up? keep in mind that my understanding of monads is, after all these years, still fuzzy, at best < 1424366407 960817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it might, yes, but you might still just come down to not liking how the terminology is used < 1424366420 435275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a good introduction to codata though < 1424366432 247368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/papers/free-rectypes/free-rectypes.txt is classic, at least < 1424366438 134859 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't codata just the subject of corecursion? < 1424366444 810462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uh, pretty technical < 1424366446 671716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sure < 1424366482 55160 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i confess, there's another angle i'm interesting in corecursion for < 1424366499 378694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-sentence explanation is "data is easy to produce but you have to consume it carefully (i.e., structural recursion)", "codata is easy to consume but you have to produce it carefully (i.e., "guarded" corecursion; making sure you're "productive")" < 1424366502 757998 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ing/ed/ < 1424366505 727861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :corresponding to folds and unfolds specifically. blah blah blah F-coalgebras < 1424366517 541283 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ok sure < 1424366561 483805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for getting into a terminology argument, anyway. I really don't care about it, heh < 1424366604 198581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think "languages where every function is total and your data recursion is structural and your only infinite data is properly guarded codata are useless for doing actual things, because they're not TC" is too prevalent an attitude but people should stop equating general usefulness with TCness anyway < 1424366624 613771 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree wholeheartedly with that < 1424366695 794434 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424366704 73133 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I think I saw an article on HN about HTML+CSS3 being TC -- it came back from an unrelated search & I did not click on it but ISTR there was some discussion on that at one point in here < 1424366720 388970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was one of those "by TC I mean FSA" type things < 1424366731 127213 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it might be < 1424366737 554964 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason i don't get my news from HN < 1424366752 72340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, clearly you do :p < 1424366771 89546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that article made me sign up to Reddit to debunk it < 1424366778 66901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not TC due to not having infinite memory < 1424366785 596865 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you < 1424366790 428083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's the one I'm thinking of < 1424366805 367454 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really *don't* read HN, so I don't know, but it probably was < 1424366809 289651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible you could salvage it using WebForms, but nobody's figured out how yet < 1424366842 602541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424366848 601780 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424366862 342629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had some really frustrating conversations with people who can't accept that the human brain isn't TC < 1424366899 718872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to talk about things like quantum uncertainty to prove it isn't, though < 1424366910 397892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :human brain is analog in time, and you can store an infinite amount in a single real number < 1424366913 781830 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need about 8 more words that are variations on TC < 1424366917 772930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can prove that it can't measure a time delay accurately enough < 1424366940 302196 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, maybe it's just pointless < 1424366943 686563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well I've been thinking a lot about how to define TCness because of the 2,3 Turing machine thing < 1424366971 545575 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have a something too, based on thinking about Wang tiles < 1424366992 527310 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually's it's just an old thing < 1424367010 509404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my latest approach has been along the lines of "a language is TC if you can compile any TC-language program to it, via a function that can output the 'nth' byte of the resulting program in finite time" < 1424367014 497780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, O(1) time, that is < 1424367028 728010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm getting bogged down in details of what operations you're allowed < 1424367044 84931 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, so I give the "compiler" the source program, and n, and it outputs "byte" number n ? < 1424367054 446555 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :in constant time < 1424367065 160576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1424367066 178525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you mean, the program that produces the output program has to give a productive colist of bytes back, huh < 1424367069 450363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, symbol, not byte < 1424367071 918392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how appropriate < 1424367075 136975 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe O(x) where x is the length of the source program, no? < 1424367081 351804 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's gotta read it < 1424367084 808884 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's gotta read n < 1424367088 990079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, I'm treating the source program as fixed here < 1424367093 47552 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1424367107 825912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, for any given source program, we can produce the nth symbol of the target-language program in finite time < 1424367109 660846 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the "compiler" is invariant of the choice of source program? < 1424367130 666658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ooh, yeah we have to be careful here < 1424367150 237693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitions get really complex when you're trying to avoid exploits while still allowing as much as possible < 1424367150 597382 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume we can't just OPTOMIZE it for each program we want to compil < 1424367151 693191 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1424367175 472672 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should really be "optomizing" a database query right now < 1424367196 289505 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so are you saying that the compiler has to be 'local' when emitting a byte, basically? < 1424367210 877876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the compiler has to be a fixed program, which can scale with the size of the source program, but not the target program < 1424367251 701950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I'm not quite sure what you mean < 1424367265 298166 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in comparison, my insight was simple: Wang tiling ~= Conway's GoL ~= CA-complete ~= can simulate any Turing machine which *never* halts < 1424367268 307046 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1424367293 650042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that the time it takes to emit the nth byte can't increase without bound < 1424367296 424898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, we define it like this: a compiler is a single program, which, for any given source program, there is some finite bound within which it can produce any given byte of the target program < 1424367300 176446 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :~= meaning "computationally equivalent" because I don't do fancy unicode in IRC (yet) < 1424367323 836330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do fancy Unicode in IRC all the time, but that one isn't on my compose key < 1424367354 99599 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what you're trying to prevent is situations where the compilation process is introducing an unbounded amount of computational 'strenght' < 1424367356 6057 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strength < 1424367399 210701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1424367428 807150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example, imagine a programming language which takes an infinitely long program as input, and only has two commands, "halt" and "nop" < 1424367450 285510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile into that language by running your input program for n steps, then outputting "halt" or "nop" based on whether it halted within those n steps < 1424367452 501466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to output the nth command < 1424367469 292437 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because the trouble with the 2,3 turing machine was that, in some sense, most of the computation was done in that way? < 1424367473 903936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem I'm having is that, to define O(1), you need to define which operations you're allowed < 1424367479 226202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: actually it wasn't < 1424367484 949766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is proving that it wasn't thouhg < 1424367486 445695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1424367493 23167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means defining what it means to do that < 1424367498 680921 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424367567 899808 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424367574 536214 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424367618 128865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi vanila < 1424367723 428077 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this sounds reminiscent of one part of Minsky's old book where he frets about mappings between languages wrt TC-ness. He's not conclusive. I think he says the mapping function should not be more than primitive-recursive < 1424367751 969701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's close to the argument I made in the first submission of the 2,3 Turing machine proof < 1424367752 208381 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow any PR function, that still gives you an awful lot of leeway < 1424367775 16634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, primitive recursive programs can't run for infinite time < 1424367779 480728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can't produce infinite output < 1424367780 732491 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if we're trying to find the "smallest" TC things, it seems likely we're going to get into the territory of these "powerfulish" mappings < 1424367792 663227 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but a mapping doesn't need to < 1424367800 308344 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just mapping one finite program to another < 1424367807 775221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the problem with the 2,3 proof is < 1424367810 800375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input program is infinitely long < 1424367818 269136 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1424367818 415470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1424367836 702552 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambdabot, I meant an interrobang, but as I said, no fancy unicode yet < 1424367839 187003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has to initialize the whole tape of the Turing machine < 1424367849 559496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pattern it initializes it with isn't finite or repeating < 1424367867 207457 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that ain't right < 1424367879 558803 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my view, it needs to lazily create that pattern as it uses thar part of the tape < 1424367886 563481 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the complexity of doing so needs to be factored in < 1424367908 179420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would consider the 2,3 machine to be sub-TC, then < 1424367929 711963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't found the simplest pattern that works < 1424367931 165728 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :("needs to" ... er... simpler to consider systems that only do that, rather than ones that need a "prepared tape") < 1424367931 535712 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :An operating system made in common lisp - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46753018/Screen%20Shot%202015-01-19%20at%2001.29.31.png < 1424367939 995120 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that like a perpared piano, John Cage...?) < 1424367961 351116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suspect it's along the lines of "infinitely repeating pattern, except that all cells with index 2^n are replaced with the same specific value as an exception to the pattern" < 1424367975 513915 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess I... not exactly; I would consider it to be an abbreviated description of a TC system which, if not abbreviated, would be >2,3 < 1424367982 488457 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, yes < 1424368015 232507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of the language "sequential tag"? it's something that #esoteric sometimes discusses < 1424368039 665951 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: nice! (is the nethack written in lisp too?) < 1424368042 458019 :arjanb!8259abdc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424368043 460254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it has infinitely long programs; each command in the program is a sequence of subcommands, either "run" or "skip" < 1424368059 710618 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I... don't think I have < 1424368069 326598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all data is stored in one queue, which is initialized as "run" < 1424368070 534707 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, infinitely long THIS, infinitely long THAT, what madness is this < 1424368087 273425 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might make more sense if you saw my rant about "total" earlier) < 1424368113 419276 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just telnet talking to nethack server, but the mandelbrot and stuff is in lisp :) < 1424368120 750937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then repeatedly, you pop the start of the queue, if it's "run" you append the current command of the program to the end of the queue and move to the next command, if it's "skip" you move to the next command of the program without appending anything to the queue < 1424368127 720205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it halts if the queue ever becomes empty < 1424368159 564121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the easiest languages to implement, if you have the ability to read an infinitely long program < 1424368165 314038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so simple < 1424368181 713297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's TC if you allow an infinitely repeating input prorgam < 1424368239 471487 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, hm. < 1424368261 189522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because with an infinitely repeating input program, it becomes cyclic tag) < 1424368294 88967 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i totally do not follow. the queue is not a queue of... maybe i should look this up on the wiki < 1424368315 674250 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find it hard to accept that cyclic tag machines can be TC, I get how they are but.. they shouldn't be.. < 1424368324 47167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's on the wiki < 1424368327 623019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the queue is of "run" and "skip" < 1424368349 219497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: they "feel" sub-TC? < 1424368357 205524 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you pop "run", and the "current command" is -- the next thing on the queue? < 1424368393 419382 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not appear to be on the wiki, btw < 1424368426 892123 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes - but just because my intuition is wrong I guess < 1424368452 604943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the next command in the program < 1424368458 313609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queue tells you whether to run or skip each command in the program < 1424368474 676197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you run a command, it shifts a specific sequence onto the end of the queue < 1424368489 471554 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the queue is not infinite, and the program is not on the queue < 1424368513 318664 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace "infinite but repeating" with a "goto" and I'm fine with it < 1424368532 680337 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely long programs, though... no. < 1424368540 171347 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :they defeat the point < 1424368555 961279 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinitely long program could contain something very dangerous... unless you know that it was generated by a simple program < 1424368585 221164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right < 1424368602 417166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the problem with things like cellular automata and turing machines < 1424368611 90582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the programs are inherently infinitely long < 1424368632 410017 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i disagree. unbounded, yes. infinite, no. < 1424368632 898958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the conventional wisdom is that you have to initialize them with a repeating pattern < 1424368648 917422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1424368657 529996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a Turing machine, you can have an unbounded tape, plus a rule for initializing it < 1424368673 224228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume you'd treat that initialization rule as part of the Turing machine, rather than part of the input to it? < 1424368674 504870 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. and yes, it's a bit more difficult to work that into a CA, but < 1424368682 922702 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yes < 1424368686 598515 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh irc < 1424368713 394402 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider a tape cell of a TM to essentially not exist until the head gets to it < 1424368724 442256 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the head can always get to a new tape cell and make it exist < 1424368728 390679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a little surprising: greatest fixpoints allow infinite objects, such as streams, yet the strong normalisation property is preserved." I guess wadler sums up the totality thing pretty well < 1424368730 663234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this viewpoint is quite at odds to mine < 1424368775 224173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I find it a little hard to define strong normalization if you have infinite input < 1424368794 1911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the strongest concept I can manage to define on that is weak confluence < 1424368797 677901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's sort of like how the next cell of an infinite codata stream doesn't exist until you observe it, but you can always observe a new one and make it exist in finite time :) < 1424368818 761942 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope wadler is ok, he was ill < 1424368864 820867 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but this is happening *inside a Turing machine*, not *in my program* < 1424368887 285492 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only to avoid questions about infinite tapes < 1424368927 827321 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a way to collect the complexity of "prepared tape" into one place, where you were already caring about complexity -- the running of the TM itself < 1424368964 895491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424368991 678887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with codata, semantically, the observation is explicit < 1424369001 755977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can get hidden in sugar and bad implementation of it, though. < 1424369017 602070 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424369071 346904 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: question: could you formulate codata that represents a Wang tiling? < 1424369092 226736 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "total" tiling of the plane < 1424369093 909025 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1424369096 984980 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone shoot me < 1424369099 189431 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1424369153 544340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I guess I don't see why not. "current tile" and four neighbours, say. < 1424369160 274096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424369169 462066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets annoying because of overlapping ways to observe the same square < 1424369173 280841 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/installation/Backtracking_Wang_Tiler fwiw < 1424369181 772194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay, alternate answer: sure, it's just (Nat,Nat) -> Tile < 1424369182 377819 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun to watch for about 50 seconds < 1424369198 715690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are one type of codata (the best-supported, usually) and codata can be implemented as functions, so < 1424369212 873888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, (Z,Z) -> Tile < 1424369239 955645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: uh, or do you mean something that ensures you're tiling properly < 1424369251 78082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like you'd end up with proof objects and stuff and this is out of my pay grade < 1424369252 903445 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no elliott, I want an invalid Wang tiling! < 1424369269 778639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an invalid Wang tiling :( < 1424369343 725083 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying very hard not to lol < 1424369403 63982 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: the channel where everyone can disagree about infinite < 1424369407 390001 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity* < 1424369506 58429 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cpressey is here < 1424369519 624424 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi olsner < 1424369607 625892 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :corecursion looks interesting, because i've been hanging out with people in generative art circles, and they're interested in grammars, but they're more interested in *generating* things from than, than *parsing* things with them < 1424369628 725075 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is easy, programming-wise, in an RDP: replace scan("x") with emit("x") {more or less} < 1424369642 937626 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, theory? < 1424369646 440188 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be it < 1424369732 930148 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :also logic programming to run recognizers backwards to generate things < 1424369847 198852 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yes, I'm reading the wikipedia article on it now, and it's looking a bit like that < 1424369921 289108 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe I'm a finitist? would that be terrible? istr that might be terrible < 1424369938 118924 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite list is REALLY a finite list plus a continuation! < 1424369951 874114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more or less the codata perspective though < 1424369962 79270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking of Colist A as an infinite list is up to you < 1424370016 657295 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe that will help me think about what i don't like about this "TC and total too!" thing < 1424370029 444274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's funny, I just learned about TC & total < 1424370035 5522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Colist A is just something you can construct from an X and (X -> Maybe (A, X)) (for any X) (e.g. nats = unfold 0 (\n -> Just (n, n+1))) and that gives you Colist A -> Maybe (A, Colist A) < 1424370043 322730 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my own view on it < 1424370046 517332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning is for humans < 1424370067 935488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more simply, Stream A from X and (X -> (A, X)), yielding head : Stream A -> A and tail : Stream A -> Stream A < 1424370073 955991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eliding the possibility of stopping) < 1424370129 134958 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1424370134 313644 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no n/m < 1424370152 684192 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"total" ~= "well-typed"? < 1424370155 639259 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :look just ignore me < 1424370167 398808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your type system :p < 1424370173 500374 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424370174 473922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda and Coq rely on a termination checker separate to their type system < 1424370175 685785 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I came to understand: < 1424370181 856785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer type systems that ensure termination by construction. < 1424370205 3733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw: map f stream = unfold stream (\strm -> (f (head strm), tail strm)) < 1424370229 771930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :map f colist = unfold colist (\cl -> case observe cl of Nothing -> Nothing; Just (hd,tl) -> (f hd, tl)) < 1424370232 754125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1424370240 358932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course your function has to be, um, total.) < 1424370251 571018 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea of 'turing complete' was you could write any nat -> nat function that you can with 'recursive functions' (primitive rec + mu-minimization) < 1424370303 432274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda isn't turing complete in that sense, but if you the notion to allow functions like: nat -> partial nat then it is turing complete < 1424370309 121354 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424370382 175147 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I... almost see what you're saying < 1424370387 971210 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a negative photograph < 1424370393 348238 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424370492 252602 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was why I was thinking total = well-typed; if the function maps every value in X to any value in Y, it is total, and you can type it X->Y < 1424370507 43618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1424370513 771009 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if for some values in X it doesn't, well, no Y for it then < 1424370522 460918 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have well types programs that infinite loop, e.g. omega = omega < 1424370526 348857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the question is what type in Haskell corresponds to the naturals < 1424370532 747120 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH BARRING BOTTOM AND ALL THAT < 1424370533 844860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nat = Z | S !Nat is so close, but it has _|_ < 1424370539 280635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bottom is exactly what makes things non-total >_> < 1424370557 965992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it means you don't have total mathematical \mathbb{N} -> \mathBB{N} functions < 1424370585 541589 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but f : Nat -> {0, _|_} is total right? < 1424370592 754373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1424370603 215488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the functions have to be monotone/continuous/whatever blah blah blah < 1424370608 214263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION transforms into dana scott < 1424370702 116281 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I need to leave no < 1424370705 331483 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1424370715 676999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I'm sure :p < 1424370785 550147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl < 1424370806 18861 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :my AMAZINGLY ORIGINAL AND NOVEL AND EARTH-SHATTERING THEORY about how IRC destroys productivity has been proven < 1424370816 310404 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you later :) < 1424370818 488367 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424370912 703639 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like to think of agda as TC, it just seems misleading and flame-war-inviting to me < 1424370941 184409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering what goes wrong if you try to get Agda to prove itself consistent < 1424370959 290925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the termination checker won't buy it < 1424370962 734873 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424371007 57178 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get conAgda :: Proof (Consistent Agda) < 1424371020 275274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can produce conAgda' :: partiality (Proof (Consistent Agda)) < 1424371034 100903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't that just be fix later < 1424371058 615236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that can ever work if it's not (clasically), eventually you have to produce a now (p : Proof (Consistent Agda)) < 1424371069 641267 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just the same as a lisp program that tries fitting together axioms randomly to prove agda consistent < 1424371072 510259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ever work since if it's not fix later (classically), < 1424371083 667410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'll never find such a proof though < 1424371086 645462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure < 1424371092 854182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpler way to write that value is fix later :p < 1424371122 281046 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can construct a value of type partiality Foo < 1424371123 868650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it might terminate after all < 1424371132 931979 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then actually provide a proof that it terminates, to get a Foo out < 1424371133 305033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't < 1424371141 544558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are, for some reason, convinced that Agda is in fact consistent. < 1424371144 340462 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the caes of this Proof, you will not be able to proof that it terminates inside agda < 1424371157 194615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I am convinced that Agda will never find an internal proof of its own consistency... < 1424371175 99212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I guess this is pointless without defining Proof here < 1424371178 899676 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can make it to do arbitrary computation < 1424371203 970470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, here's what I mean: meta-theoretically, we can prove that conAgda' ~~ fix later < 1424371210 249726 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so < 1424371213 385120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might not be true depending on what Proof is. < 1424371251 800379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we can prove meta-theoretically that conAgda' ~~ later^n (now p) for some n and p, though, then there is an Agda term conAgda : Proof (Consistent Agda) < 1424371269 807654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if our metatheory is classical we can prove one of those. < 1424371278 891136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it might not give us an n and p < 1424371284 496087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing about constructivism is too hard < 1424371363 412224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay: there is no expression e : Partial A such that not not (e = later e, or there is an expression e' : A). I hope that's double-negated enough < 1424371367 886145 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! I get you now < 1424371369 391673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :again metatheoretically < 1424371405 309063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you say, there is no e : A, but I have e' : partial A, then I don't believe that e' can be anything other than later e', with enough "not not"s in there < 1424371411 249547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will not not not halt :p < 1424372241 871528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> r) -> r) -> r) -> (a -> r) < 1424372242 58314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = a (\ c -> c b) < 1424372937 972510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I still think your assumption that A is empty is a tad optimistic. < 1424372951 39733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what do you mean? < 1424372969 297452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the logic is inconsistent then it might well "prove" its own consistency < 1424372977 332856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure < 1424372981 140826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda has had proofs of _|_ before. < 1424372997 945060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I said applies regardless of A, though < 1424373003 864950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and djinn just showed that not not not foo is the same as not foo, even intuitionistically) < 1424373021 433738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was what we call a joke >_> < 1424373026 678252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424373039 218821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not not funny < 1424373499 888168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424373581 544723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424373638 542338 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1424373765 834084 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424373994 108547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424374001 575538 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424374001 721968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424374011 892317 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424374105 310228 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424374106 13103 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424374521 993361 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424374599 9071 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424374807 607956 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424374902 104993 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424375159 639567 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424375365 258731 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424375454 672726 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424375489 680211 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424376106 886422 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424376114 581558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424376197 896478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so I'm not sure in this, but I believe for polynomial convolution Karatsuba multiplication needs about as much space as twice the outplut plus once the input, but it might still be a bit too slow, and FFT multiplication needs twice the space of the output. so luckily, neither needs too much extra space, which is very useful. < 1424376291 257539 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424376354 952345 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424376425 352169 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424376604 100017 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424376697 945086 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424376725 741155 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424377308 904064 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424377351 549341 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424377502 126012 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424377653 488844 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:shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424379103 399982 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424379226 841502 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424379298 163471 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snigollvmaoraxug JOIN :#esoteric < 1424379401 165655 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424379596 690519 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424379704 351393 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424379932 480743 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424380017 411605 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424380101 893158 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424380315 843500 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424380358 729650 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MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1424381136 117190 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424381143 712093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :shikhin!*@*$##fixyourconnection > 1424381143 739007 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424381145 958022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1424381145 979364 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424381333 255832 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424381793 791200 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424381990 123013 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424382078 783483 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does _|_ mean? < 1424382096 361784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is is the upside down T? < 1424382105 281269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, it's called "bottom" < 1424382228 890269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is smaller on the page than the word "false". < 1424382257 334605 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a middle finger to logic < 1424382257 480981 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_%28logic%29 < 1424382260 505927 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an ascii picture of this < 1424382280 379007 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the easiest logical literals for me to type are "0=0" and "0=1" < 1424382356 267324 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: an algolike language which lacks literals other than 0 and 1. < 1424382388 884489 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... That would be the peano axioms... < 1424382390 296774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCF? although that doesn't even have 1 really < 1424382391 797467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just +1 < 1424382396 672800 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1+1)*(1+(1+1)*(1+(1+1))) I can do binary like this < 1424382456 184847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment should be <- . It should always have been <- . < 1424382466 42386 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those +s and *s might need switched around? < 1424382470 56452 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree oren. < 1424382518 330317 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChucK knows how to assign properly. < 1424382565 998678 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I would also accept "set [var] to [value]" if allowing the language to be more verbose. < 1424382637 446436 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a calculator once that did exactly what ChucK does. < 1424382650 444332 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in assignment, not in anything else) < 1424382762 565203 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ChucK actually uses => < 1424382784 309603 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In math, assignment is "let x be [value]" < 1424382833 272438 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in math, the evaluation is explicitly controlled, like "now subsitutute in the value of x"... < 1424382858 432329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn it how do you spell subsitute? < 1424382859 286889 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no evaluaton < 1424382871 881490 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was imagining let would be for lazy evaluation statements, while set would be for eager evaluation. < 1424382873 416681 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just treat all equal values as identical < 1424382881 48415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"substitute" I think < 1424382886 974835 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because obviously having both in a language makes sense. < 1424382947 548846 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: that is a cool idea. < 1424383079 167185 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: A math paper is a syntax-tree-rewriting program with verification, which a mathematician's brain runs and checks. < 1424383211 419862 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good then. I wasn't sure if that was a good idea or not. < 1424383264 458181 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :idont agree < 1424383273 387435 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eager evaluation is a good idea for time-critical parts of a program < 1424383333 731283 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. we don't want to go out of the polygon drawing loop to lazy-evaluate the enemies' positions. < 1424383529 930706 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in other parts of a program, being lazy can help performance. So having both is a good idea < 1424383664 24537 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424383695 1883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1424383704 986512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:02:13 E.g. we don't want to go out of the polygon drawing loop to lazy-evaluate the enemies' positions. < 1424383709 97044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't what lazy evaluation is. < 1424383716 24087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that is one possible non-strict evaluation strategy. < 1424383727 556108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is just not something that really happens when you write in Haskell or whatever. < 1424383740 8382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're writing your polygon drawing loop extremely weirdly < 1424383743 357760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424383753 302577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I can see how that would happen with certain kinds of data flow, I misread what you meant < 1424383758 414231 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? You don't need to evaluate anything until it would have visible effects, right? < 1424383769 79157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tools for solving that within a lazy evaluation discipline though < 1424383774 880389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the thing is that making the polygon drawing loop eager wouldn't solve that < 1424383779 136780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a non-local property you're talking about here < 1424383787 273704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be the position evaluation prior to that that would need to be strict < 1424383913 970362 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not have an evaluate operator that forces the value to be stored? < 1424383927 514811 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell tried that < 1424383930 487950 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its awful < 1424383937 884628 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1424384103 322922 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it just doesn't seem aesthetic to me < 1424384104 63987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well, you can't quite have a -> a < 1424384108 732595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can have a -> b -> b < 1424384130 675825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell (a `seq` b) is b, but where a must be evaluated (to WHNF) < 1424384134 872690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: no guarantees as to the ordering of the two < 1424384142 770894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (f $! x) is (x `seq` f x) which is useful < 1424384149 376458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be annoying to juggle though. < 1424384157 637757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use it to enforce invariants about evaluation. < 1424384209 926797 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cool how you can do strictness analysis on code and automatically use strict evaluation instead of lazy < 1424384226 662172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it doesn't work :( < 1424384241 276702 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424384255 344454 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its undecidable but you can hopefully get a good result a lot of times by abstract interpretation < 1424384419 928350 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424384549 208054 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424384645 253608 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424385857 244385 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424386070 687329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it intensely annoying that I can get all the ingredients for gunpowder in Dwarf Fortress, but can't make cannon or shot. < 1424386213 340429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF has saltpetre? < 1424386256 724262 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1424386279 142277 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And brimstone (e.g. sulphur), and charcoal. < 1424386311 674125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure that DF does have saltpetre < 1424386341 833969 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : it has "saltpeter" < 1424386360 789075 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the US spelling. < 1424386375 756289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1424386620 208116 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I am building my fortress hovering over a freshwater lake. < 1424386854 398721 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424387882 844664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424387917 391312 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424387980 62072 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424388311 678264 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1424388722 757301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424389230 773754 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424389377 281565 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424390963 723817 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can get slate and chalk, but you can't make chalkboards!! < 1424391612 568157 :tru23!5984b8c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.132.184.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424391659 807278 :tru23!5984b8c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.132.184.192 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424391964 900224 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424392007 868801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424392091 455241 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424392301 905551 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424392509 371304 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424393264 252444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424393996 959817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should tell them to fix it so that it is possible to make chalkboards < 1424394256 350128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specification for a Hamster archive format can fit on the back of your business card. < 1424395072 899728 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424395496 205868 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:e17b:f875:f2de:cd5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424397265 913792 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424397965 925479 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:e17b:f875:f2de:cd5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424398604 289185 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424400035 660807 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424400747 218623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e Ah, the CHICKEN! have a history of Poulet! which appeared out of nowhere on 2012-08-08. <-- there are stray poulets even up to last october! also he took a _long_ time to get regular. < 1424400747 402344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424401526 340956 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1424402593 913651 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424404562 500326 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424404596 279606 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424404696 885450 :merdach!~r@c-71-59-196-85.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1 < 1424406362 116328 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424406396 849659 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424406553 593104 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424407519 927015 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424408053 864948 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424408085 899744 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424408162 31231 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424408992 752204 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424409017 237728 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424412146 1715 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424412261 923293 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424413908 899438 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424414548 12578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1424414566 65901 :merdach!~r@c-71-59-196-85.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424414774 405025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK < 1424414791 148221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's an easy solution for constructing a Babson task like you asked < 1424414798 892206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for M:tG < 1424414817 524129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it then? I didn't try to figure it out much so I don't know < 1424414863 115778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key is to use one of the dozens of cards that use "with the same name" in their rules. < 1424414997 796309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 6 life, opponent has 20. Opponent has Arcane Laboratory and Asceticism and Bedlam in play, you have a Squire. None of you have lands, but there's some suspended Lotus Blooms so that opponent gets 6 mana in his turn, then you get 6 mana in your turn, then you get 6 mana in your turn after that. It's the start of the opponent's turn. < 1424415018 809865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of you have some mathcing 1/1 creatures that are vanilla or have no relevant abilities (flying or first strike are ok), and you also have an Echoing Decay. < 1424415042 831353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opponent may play a creature, and the only way you can win is by playing the same creature then playing Echoing Decay on your own creature next turn, then beat him with the Squire. < 1424415161 215383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This already allows tens of creatures (you may need Spellbooks to set it up), and can be extended to much more if you increase the life total of the opponent and replace Echoing Decay with Bile Blight so you can use creatures of size up to 3/3. < 1424415232 202873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although I was thinking of stuff that doesn't say "with the same name"; I have thought of a few other examples but not the way to combine them. < 1424415235 735731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :construct something complicated involving a bounce-to-top-of-library card and Search the City < 1424415244 185828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so that Search the City gets some use ;-) < 1424415265 56882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I first saw it, I thought it'd be an interesting card at U < 1424415267 551168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it costs 4U < 1424415318 649750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd still like to see a construction that doesn't use "same name", but instead relies on creature cards with different power-toughness. < 1424415327 159387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible, but I haven't found one. < 1424415356 700222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I thought of for example is Dark Depths and Aether Snap. < 1424415373 220633 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to note though that there's lot more cards with "same name" then I thought, and I think half a dozen can be used for this construction < 1424415416 862287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, they may need extra cards for the set up, but the basic idea is the same) < 1424415432 350740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides Echoing Decay and Bile Blight, Detention Sphere also works, < 1424415483 108893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, that might work < 1424415508 389210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sever the Bloodline also works < 1424415541 258969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are two cards that destroy enchantments with the same name, those can probably be made to work < 1424415549 997757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: for power/toughness total, there's brainstorm + wild pair + whatever that card is that steals all creature spells when they're cast < 1424415645 444060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? < 1424415656 486197 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424415666 530453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I don't really understand < 1424415684 991241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1424415796 737154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need brainstorm if the matching card is allowed to start in your library rather than your hand, that was just to put a card in hand back into your library < 1424415844 355598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be possible to set up something where it's the actual combat that matters, something with 4/1, 2/3, 0/5 creature cards, switching P/T of your creature, blocking, and making sure you get ahead in combat if you play the exact same creature. < 1424415852 160436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about whether there's such a construction. < 1424416493 749221 :arjanb!8259abdc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.220 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1424416866 299857 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424417023 211949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some of what I said and more of what I thought about FFT yesterday was wrong < 1424417041 626292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think more about that stuff < 1424417364 530936 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1424418069 589712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424419092 47645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one might be Airdrop Condor and Artificial Evolution. < 1424419164 421583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm... something like that could work < 1424419193 250977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I don't see how you make sure I can't just play a higher power creature < 1424419312 646535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there isn't a higher power creatures < 1424419333 109077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to make a Babson task with multiple creatures to choose from < 1424419361 488878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean multiple cards to play; each one may be a different kind of effect < 1424419363 967776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I want combat, so if you choose a creature with too low power, it can't kill the opponent's creature, but if you choose one with too low toughness, yours doesn't survive < 1424419521 483203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note also that Artificial Evolution says "The new creature type can't be Wall"; if it didn't say that then you couldn't stop them from activating Airdrop Condor before you are able to change it back, I think? < 1424419562 973536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? < 1424419568 848928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424419665 271814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they want to change "Goblin" into "Dragon" but if you target the other Artificial Evolution to change "Wall" into "Dragon" then they can't. But otherwise once one spell resolves they can activate it before your spell resolves, because that is the cost of the activated ability < 1424419666 123032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be very inelegant if I used multiple instants previously suspended with Delay? < 1424419733 360950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait, you might not need that... < 1424419741 217420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know < 1424419807 250285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like Otherworldly Journey that works on auras? I know you could use Otherworldly Journey too, but it would require heavy machinery, worse than Delay. < 1424419899 960921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is: Flickerwisp < 1424419933 637975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Glimmerpoint Stag < 1424419966 683338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, it'd be ugly to make those act through turns < 1424420073 619269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Delay might be the easiest < 1424420450 249596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424420502 307651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an easy way to give someone only _one_ colored mana (and possibly multiple colorless mana) in a particular turn, the way Lotus Bloom gives three colored mana? < 1424420524 928959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that could let you get rid of Arcane Laboratory. < 1424420589 450189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could give one mana the next turn, that's easier, but how do you give one mana the turn after that? < 1424420746 584549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for this simple construction with Echoing Decay, it's enough to give one colored mana next turn so you can only play one creature, and three colored mana with Lotus Blood the turn after that and make sure there's no black creatures so you're forced to play only Bile Blight < 1424420914 66856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to think of a combat-based solution. < 1424420941 733302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1424421117 534133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you just have much fewer life than your opponent, and multiple creatures, each of which is the only one that can block the same type of creature: a creature with flying, black creature with fear, a creature with shadow, a creature with horsemanship, and a red creature with intimidate? < 1424421136 421622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus make sure you can cast only one creature, and you're done < 1424421140 628217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for any fancy p/t magic < 1424421154 191552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you'll need an extra vanilla creature < 1424421162 334315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1424421193 766394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus maybe some toughness increasing effects to make sure your blocker survives < 1424421363 708464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not scalable to more than five to ten creatures, but still < 1424421765 381677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll have to think whether that evasion-based method can be combined with a P/T-based method) < 1424421851 19018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one idea too, yes < 1424421881 149596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it is possible that your blocker might not need to survive < 1424422010 362504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it needn't survive actually < 1424422027 428985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you have 1 life, then you die next turn if you don't block < 1424422062 144899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suppose you have a large creature that doesn't untap next turn, so you win your second next turn otherwise < 1424422080 271840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making your blocker survive is easy enough < 1424422099 13115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need ten Veteran Armorers with Pacifism < 1424422188 394083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an instant that adds just _one_ mana to your mana pool? < 1424422236 290914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there is, suspended Divergent Growth works if you have ten Reliquary Towers < 1424422267 618310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't need Arcane Laboratory < 1424422297 882409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Rule of Law or Eidolon of Rhetoric) < 1424422424 759312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if there are really three of these cards, all uncommon in accessible sets, then I might not need to avoid it < 1424422480 78780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Curse of Exhaustion < 1424422790 526519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can win in another way, such as opponent has no card to draw < 1424424092 610077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424424291 71125 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1424424296 813199 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1424424328 752237 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"produce byte #n in O(1) time" <-> "compile the whole thing in O(n) time" < 1424424342 816918 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fails hard on C++, with its templates < 1424424368 624655 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously, that's a bit out of scope for what you're interested in, but still) < 1424424419 773412 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh -- also, I have no problem per se with "prepared tapes" or infinite CA playfields -- the problem I have is with comparing apples to oranges < 1424424479 596852 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way I see to fairly compare them is to convert the one to the other < 1424424592 61005 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "total"... most of my confusion has abated < 1424424634 45757 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not contest that Woulter Swierstra has written a total function which takes Brainfuck programs to possibly-infinite execution traces < 1424424656 661118 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not contest that Brainfuck is Turing-complete < 1424424674 843721 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the turing-complete version of brainfuck, that is :)) < 1424424709 990844 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wouter < 1424424751 321794 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not even contest calling Wouter's function "Turing-complete", but that term is sort of a rubbish bin at this point anyway < 1424424799 135937 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to give an example that illustrates my remaining reservations/nonplussedness < 1424424840 67487 :jetpack333!~wuffles@ppp121-45-202-175.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424424850 535275 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person A writes a function which takes brainfuck programs to possibly-infinite execution traces, represented as lazy lists (a finite list + a continuation) < 1424424854 10289 :jetpack333!~wuffles@ppp121-45-202-175.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net PART :#esoteric < 1424424878 655872 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person B writes a function which takes brainfuck programs to possibly-infinite execution traces, represented as brainfuck programs < 1424424890 871448 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as, er, the identity function. < 1424424968 788095 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott or int-e or anyone else ^^^ < 1424425021 376872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1424425045 258471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the non-Turing-complete version of brainfuck? < 1424425055 970623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume you aren't referring to one of the many awful BF derivatives) < 1424425080 467542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 Kb should be enough for everyone < 1424425084 837976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1424425091 995392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an awful BF derivative that predates BF < 1424425093 555307 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the version where you take the original implementation in C as god, and... yeah < 1424425107 868146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, writing off the end of an array is UB < 1424425115 155718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine a C implementation that reacts by extending the array < 1424425130 628156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also increasing the size of an int so that it can continue to index the array indefinitely < 1424425140 282183 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, why not? < 1424425151 958267 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pointer size < 1424425154 685236 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves hand < 1424425160 878486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :increase that too < 1424425173 593974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I guess you have to increase the size of a char < 1424425180 283102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then defining char_bit would be difficult < 1424425182 675296 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tantamount to throwing much of C out the window, but, ok < 1424425205 456814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world needs more C impls that don't act anything like C < 1424425241 329746 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :store the tape on a real tape and issue I/O commands by mapping a volatile variable to an I/O port < 1424425247 749995 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're only limited by the size of your tape reel < 1424425270 703266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by using the stdio FILE * API < 1424425275 854730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even blessed by the standard < 1424425289 209971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can move around using relative seeks < 1424425310 343554 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but I worry that it still might have some unfortunate verbiage in the spec that imposes a maximum somewhere < 1424425339 474271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm remembering from last time this subject came up < 1424425375 161661 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, on that other note, it seems most "reasonable" languages do admit a "dumb" compiler to Turing-machines in O(n) time < 1424425384 901998 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb = non-optimizing, of course < 1424425399 11465 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a little more than O(n) if you don't accept that hash tables are O(1) < 1424425420 491853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if cpressey ever noticed his underload interpreter in emmental < 1424425438 254050 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload? < 1424425449 425995 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I must be going crazy, I swear I can hear your thoughts < 1424425452 319826 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424425452 466167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: both are esolangs < 1424425457 178416 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i haven't seen it yet < 1424425471 746780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it around the time the wiki featured emmental < 1424425482 119937 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess my hint is to look at all the concurrency esols < 1424425488 240932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1424425491 370262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't seen it, you should < 1424425494 636654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the Big Five < 1424425511 88737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can prefix an interpreter with a sequence of states that initialises the tape with the source code, which would be really stupid but O(n), no extras. < 1424425516 690369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Befunge, Brainfuck, INTERCAL, Underload, Unlambda) < 1424425554 403299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/ul.emm or slightly less evilly, the haskell generator http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/EmmUnl.hs < 1424425620 294104 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear lord < 1424425622 451960 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1424425651 876818 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It uses Emmental's metacircular evaluation principles to _turn_ the Emmental interpreter into an Underload one" -- exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for < 1424425754 503676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the Haskell generator uses lens < 1424425758 16612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're calling it less evil? < 1424425840 34326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in fact the first haskell program where i used lens in earnest < 1424425850 240602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a way to get Firefox use syntax highlighting if it sees Content-Type: text/x-haskell ? < 1424425868 872161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's less evil in so far as it is _plausible_ for humans to read < 1424425870 861813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally delegates to your editor, which will know how, IME < 1424425880 821234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lens < 1424425915 467965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the "open in browser" plugin, so at least I can display the file in the browser rather than having to save it to disk) < 1424425918 810506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HackEgo didn't get back properly after Gregor restarted the server < 1424425926 190798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote lens < 1424425926 337445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb says: lens has got to be the only library with more contributors than people who know how it works < 1424425942 968959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you just call me "fizzie"? :-) < 1424425968 218797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1424425972 625249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, aimake has more contributors than people who know how it works, but it's not technically a library < 1424425979 699453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he was alerting fizzie to a problem < 1424426104 756980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: technically you'd only need to impl (), : and ^ to prove fancy-L-completeness < 1424426186 911454 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if fancy-L is what I think it is, <3 this channel, doing all the computability dirty work that everyone else refuses to touch < 1424426215 735477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it means "it's possible to write at least one interpreter for a TC language in this program" < 1424426236 80909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may have been your definition? < 1424426242 910590 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i believe it was, yes < 1424426257 437243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am addressing fizzie as the person most likely to be able to fix it, although he seems frightfully evil < 1424426262 466032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idel < 1424426271 706427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can't be worse than lens, surely < 1424426280 413929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst brain typo this year so far, i think < 1424426378 495529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google idel < 1424426378 922531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dibels.uoregon.edu/market/assessment/idel < 1424426465 893492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: technically you'd only need to impl (), : and ^ to prove fancy-L-completeness <-- it was of course more fun to try to cram (almost) everything in < 1424426478 242917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the ():^ TCness proof use nested parens? < 1424426490 942196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, minimal-Underload might actually work quite well as a source language for TCness proofs < 1424426492 69592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way to open the text file in the browser is if you write "view-source:" before the URL; not all browsers will accept this though < 1424426510 159846 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi zzo38 < 1424426520 177735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I remember learning about that when I was in school and Geocities was really popular and I didn't know what CGI was yet < 1424426549 120692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, do you like to ask too many questions/complaints to me please? < 1424426571 627936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: definitely needs some nesting, although it should be limited by O(states*symbols) of a universal minsky machine < 1424426590 310135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW, on my own webservers I tend to hack mime.types to produce text/plain for .hs files.) < 1424426609 990481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you measure states and symbols for a minsky machine? < 1424426619 278981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1424426626 518870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess only states then < 1424426702 507000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Befunge, Brainfuck, INTERCAL, Underload, Unlambda)" is the big five? I haven't heared of that yet, but it sounds reasonable. < 1424426717 804960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also you only need to add ~ to get a TM instead < 1424426718 575026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it was sort-of informally agreed here a while ago < 1424426730 371058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my own computer I have put a .htaccess in /dnd/recording/ in order to make it set the MIME type of the TeX source files to text/plain too < 1424426743 327966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ~ is one of the hardest commands to impl, although I guess it's not much harder than : and might even be a little easier < 1424426777 208936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, then I'll propose a category on the wiki < 1424426788 227401 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you would consider the 2,3 machine to be sub-TC, then <-- iirc, it's not capable of halting, so no, I don't consider it TC < 1424426795 602748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my version, it is < 1424426799 520032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a right-infinite tape < 1424426804 270554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halting is falling off the left end < 1424426820 488940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps one could use 2^k as the number of symbols of a Minsky machine with k counters. < 1424426822 651851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm considering simpler tape initializations that have more complex halt states < 1424426835 278011 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: beh, i almost want to count that as an extra symbol < 1424426846 127477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's awkward. < 1424426849 994616 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, you can't fairly compare it to a bi-infinite tape < 1424426853 737378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I have an explicit extra-symbol representation too < 1424426872 270409 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fine, but then it's 2,4 (or 3,3 -- i can't remember) < 1424426878 443292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the mathematicians who looked over this said that Turing Machines weren't well-defined enough that it mattered < 1424426887 243628 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :headdesk < 1424426895 407618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact, different papers are inconsistent on whether the tape's infinite both ways or just one way < 1424426896 673595 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the whole argument doesn't matter < 1424426907 38805 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :all we can say is "Sure is small!" Hyuk < 1424426909 191501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens a lot during research < 1424426927 276839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: by the way, thanks for the article you have recommended < 1424426927 579965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered that one of my papers refers to a proof in another paper < 1424426937 699060 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: which one is that? < 1424426945 410675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the two papers are using different definitions, in a way that probably matters < 1424426949 872018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bernstein, Multidigit multiplication for mathematicians < 1424426955 32929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, it's nontrivial to prove that it doesn't matter < 1424426973 196240 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: interesting, I'm completely drawing a blank on that. you're sure it wasn't someone else? < 1424426985 146260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that was me; you're welcome. < 1424427002 76631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1424427037 461490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't worry, I'm happy not to be the only one who mixes up people :) < 1424427064 545810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my :()^ gets awkward if you have more than 2 counters, anyway. (you'd need to move across the representation of a counter to get to the other side) < 1424427081 923529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never need more than 2 counters < 1424427156 533248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never need more than 2 counters if you're satisifed with double-exponential slowdown < 1424427184 555593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it might be worth it still then < 1424427196 149072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the 2,3 machine proof is double-exponential, I think < 1424427201 418504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have got it down to single-exponential < 1424427208 62496 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm interested in this "System T" thing of Goedel's, which is apparently decidable but > PR. Know anything about it? < 1424427208 438473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if Game of Life was invented before Intercal, does that mean Intercal isn't really the first esolang? < 1424427209 996867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might have been triple-exponential originally < 1424427211 514798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, you still have exponential for using minsky) < 1424427212 728702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even really remember < 1424427217 527171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: INTERCAL wasn't the first esolang < 1424427224 357214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: not that i recall < 1424427237 748579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages < 1424427249 298931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, the _origianl_ 2,3 machine proof is something-exponential, but it's got a new proof that I think only has a polynomial slowdown < 1424427252 351933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look that up < 1424427264 382787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plain counter machines where you can't avoid the slowdown < 1424427278 315817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: really? I would be very surprised at that < 1424427284 965172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a polynomial slowdown) < 1424427289 983399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the properties of that machine < 1424427296 214267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you are aware that I wrote the original proof, right?) < 1424427306 395471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? < 1424427311 653616 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm a bit suspicious, mainly because if it really was, I'd think it would be more well-known, and maybe have a complexity class named after it, but. Never heard of it before yesterday. < 1424427312 785712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, < 1424427321 296872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mixing it up with another small machine < 1424427325 307337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cellular automaton < 1424427331 503009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 30? < 1424427333 752664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424427334 391280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, 110 < 1424427338 424938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1424427340 191128 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how i'm going to get anyway work done if i'm sitting on this channel :) < 1424427345 214090 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any < 1424427346 100285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 30's harder to prove but believed to be probably also TC < 1424427348 406052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those with 2 states and 3 neighbours on a line < 1424427357 928297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which < 1424427373 20284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are distinct from the Turing machines < 1424427392 282001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, for counter machines, you clearly can't get below at least single exponential < 1424427409 110815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2,3 construction is from sequential tag < 1424427413 200129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect that for a two-counter machine the double exponential is necessary < 1424427458 755009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you used tag, then the down-to-polynomial construction for rule 110 might apply to yours too, iirc it's simply about proving _tag_systems_ not to need exponential overhead < 1424427506 439865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1424427510 31617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a more clever representation of a turing tape < 1424427532 324144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't it trivial that tag systems don't need exponential overhead if you can use enough symbols and rules? < 1424427558 340100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe, but someone got a paper out of applying it to rule 110 anyhow < 1424427696 86740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I used cyclic tag, which is proved TC by compiling from tag < 1424428026 332574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424428041 395040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: assuming this is the same as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectica_interpretation#Induction i would _almost_ interpret that section as saying it is _not_ decidable. < 1424428095 187956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on quick browsing i don't see anything in the article that says it _is_. < 1424428450 664156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i assume the thing you've heard of is http://www.citeulike.org/user/cook/article/8904389 < 1424428577 526219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ais523: http://www.bcri.ucc.ie/FILES/PUBS/BCRI_52.pdf < 1424428599 290439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it also uses cyclic tag < 1424428603 944339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "P-complete" is a weird phrase < 1424428632 794207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, usually you then use LOGSPACE-reductions < 1424428649 716041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes even lower stuff < 1424428692 970634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the part it changes is between the TM and the cyclic tag stuff, so it should apply to your case as well < 1424428706 512158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the part the paper < 1424428752 800009 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel has given me a great intuition and informal knowledge for my computability module, but almost none of the formalities < 1424428824 469210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to know that the formalities aren't really as precise as mathematicians would want them to be < 1424428845 552290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's some nice books telling the formalities < 1424428846 531504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1424428878 649888 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I just received an almost completely irrelevant textbook! < 1424428942 124982 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm going on some very vague statements in Turner's "total fp" paper, plus this: http://home.utah.edu/~nahaj/logic/structures/systems/t.html which says "There is a decision procedure for T" < 1424428971 550945 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"decision procedure" might not mean what I think/want it to mean, here < 1424428991 762417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that paper is what I've heared of, for it's linked from http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2070 < 1424429028 167620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ic. i think we're definitely over my head. < 1424429053 366372 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424429083 932930 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Turner's paper also referred to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_recursive_functional which that wp article refers to. < 1424429110 152091 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think, once you allow values to be infinite... oh, such fun. < 1424429261 425613 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (scroll up to where I give an example with "Person A" and "Person B" earlier this morning) < 1424429266 191638 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you missed it < 1424429294 735304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i read that but also that my brain is approaching breaking point right now. < 1424429356 449835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1424429410 748966 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 QUIT :Quit: bluckbot < 1424429523 532451 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424429653 898596 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stubborn refusal to let things make sense to me is increasing the cognitive burden of the channel < 1424429709 469685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better not try to explain Feather then < 1424430101 947065 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424430378 999329 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1424430915 735890 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424431024 233961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Uh-oh, I think my esowiki SSH key is only on the laptop and the fungot server, both of which are currently in the house-with-no-internet. < 1424431024 418049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424431050 113068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to copy it onto a disk? < 1424431190 977286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably put it onto this VPS system I'm ircing on, then I could access it from wherever. < 1424431419 452673 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424431621 818579 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424432196 371540 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hcsdpjcymirqajzu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424432623 464542 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlvlpihodjyhzgkh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424432659 273517 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hcsdpjcymirqajzu NICK :mbrcknl < 1424432772 244021 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424432807 811662 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424432910 58695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424433106 638528 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle! < 1424433111 810699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1424433117 829903 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424433201 810975 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424433324 75113 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you? have you esölanged recently? boardgaming? < 1424433382 541033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been trying to figure out if I can implement Eodermdrome by piggybacking on the implementation of a research language one my lecturers made < 1424433495 356657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I don't really know either language < 1424433532 672965 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ō_Ō... woooah... < 1424433571 671905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with Eodermdrone is how you choose an arbitrary injective homomorphism if there are multiple possible ones. < 1424433693 973843 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get someone cleverer than me to look at http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.5541 and figure this out? < 1424433875 586323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the same way as in any ambiguous rewriting language, you pick one arbitrarily < 1424433927 482336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure, but that could make it hard to debug programs < 1424433952 987257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it's easily possible that your program works well in this implementation, but not in other implementations that pick other choices < 1424433970 166907 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the choice part of a finite set? < 1424433972 859189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that many esolangs make debugging particularly easy < 1424433985 123958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: finite, yes < 1424434042 363195 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then can you score the arbitrary performance of each possibility, and deterministically go with the best? < 1424434075 938349 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's befunge, where tracing the execution is at least as interesting as running the program itself. < 1424434099 876885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um, by what measurement of performance? < 1424434137 290372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: some arbitrary measurement >_>'... < 1424434153 915736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles mumbles something about optimisation problems < 1424434262 432312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, if you write ambiguous substitutions then you'll end up with undefined behaviour, the solution is to make your substitutions unambiguous < 1424434670 369402 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424434869 363425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424434968 408908 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424434981 710606 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SHAPED CHICKEN < 1424435714 573883 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424436075 602470 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424436262 324918 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424436323 466248 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424436645 300871 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424436645 485817 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424438152 908985 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424438574 986653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I forget if the total FP paper covers the fact that ackermann is actually primitive recursive if you have higher-order functions < 1424438577 909666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice. < 1424438671 849976 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My AI textbook arrived today and I am using it as a mousemat < 1424438692 292936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense the dependently typed languages get a lot of their expressivity from the fact that you can do "fancy" recursion by returning functions or types, and by allowing you to structurally recurse over any structure you want (rather than just naturals on zero and successor) < 1424438715 343798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without actually having a fundamentally more complicated criteria for what recursion is allowed < 1424438999 36601 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424439181 510153 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does mention that. what the heck complexity class does that correspond to, though? ackermann isn't contained in PR afaik < 1424439207 712943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well: "The primitive recursive functions are among the number-theoretic functions, which are functions from the natural numbers (nonnegative integers) {0, 1, 2, ...} to the natural numbers." < 1424439231 547030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is just to relax that return type criteria. (it already can't exactly be true, anyway, since ackermann sort of has more than one argument...? there's probably some better definition in The Literature.) < 1424439243 919251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, either that or the input type has to change, of course.) < 1424439256 355283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it has a name; "higher-order primitive recursive" or something < 1424439271 692345 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider the nat thing kind of incidental... exanoke has lists, for example; doesn't seem to change much < 1424439277 563521 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is some well-founded data < 1424439289 629583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it isn't because adding functions gives you more in some sense < 1424439290 775024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424439296 521571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually maybe you can do ack by going via some data-type? < 1424439304 350190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having two functions < 1424439314 799409 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know there are rewrite systems by which ack can be proved to terminate < 1424439327 974434 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there's some way to draw a correspondence between those systems and types < 1424439344 911508 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent types, esp < 1424439361 147144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main thing is that you can get a lot out by just being able to generate other kinds of inductive data through the induction principles, rather than just the same type < 1424439367 609854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then recurse on those themselves < 1424439374 112327 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmaybe < 1424439432 739023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen a "reasonable" function you can't define in Coq or Agda directly due to termination checking (even if it's really awkward to define) that isn't "interpretation-y stuff" (which I expect to be that way). < 1424439433 962993 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :til eodermdrome is an oilipoian thing. and that eodermdrome the esolang is a lot like thue, except on graphs, and it has a nicer approach to input imo < 1424439438 977103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes a long way < 1424439493 158011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the fun part is that eodermdrone would actually be easy to program if you had an unlimited number of letters. the programs might not be efficient of course, but easy to write. < 1424439511 745442 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. in the "real" world, most people would consider NEXP too inefficient to be practical anyway. and PR >= NEXP. the problem is that some functions are awkward or inefficient when written in PR style < 1424439512 528574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way it is, it's not even turing complete, because there are only finitely many valid eodermdrone programs < 1424439528 411432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the limitation that you have only 26 letters is very severe < 1424439553 86338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "real" world of proving things :) < 1424439575 170363 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well that would let you make bigger graphs, but... you can chain smaller graph rewrites into a larger one. but yes i can see how that would be a pita < 1424439588 921209 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that is a pita < 1424439593 175409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you can write things a lot nicer than the usual awkward mathematical primitive recursion in dependent type theory, but it can still get ugly. < 1424439635 143279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, 26 nodes would be enough if we had more than one type of edge distinguished, possibly even directed < 1424439651 327605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, with numbers written between the letters < 1424439672 192817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be almost as easy to use as an ordinary pointer machine < 1424439672 796712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you need to go to the level of well-founded recursion (basically defining your own "smaller than" relation and proving that you can recurse a data type in a way that always gets smaller -- this lets you do things like recurse on (x/2) on naturals, rather than just (x-1). you can define it all in type theory though, no need to extend its notion of recursion, it's just fun with induction pr < 1424439678 293238 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um... i think it's TC actually < 1424439678 825826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inciples and vaguely higher-order stuff) < 1424439698 438403 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you do realize the letters only describe how the graph is formed, right? < 1424439714 791299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no it's not, because there's less than about 2**(2**(26**2)) valid programs (give or take a few < 1424439717 750837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1424439741 166853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's some practical limitation < 1424439752 74376 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's not how i understood it, but i could be wrong. maybe ais523 can shed light on it < 1424439760 399726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new esolang: brainfuck but you only get, like, G_64 tape cells < 1424439768 263435 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: very original < 1424439850 668964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are the cells bounded at TREE(3)? < 1424439872 408478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TREE(7) just to be sure < 1424439899 114488 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ok, i see what you're referring to -- I think this puts it in fancy-L territory -- you can't write arbitrary programs in it but you can write an interpreter for a TC language in it < 1424439980 160455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is it the Russell & Norvig one, or something else? < 1424439993 456555 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 6906900 eodermdromes (the oulipo kind) if I'm not mistaken. which is cool, because that number looks a little like an eoderdrome itself (but it isn't.) < 1424439999 174353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach < 1424440005 584439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old AIMA. < 1424440013 367441 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*over the roman alphabet < 1424440039 218059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, the third edition isn't all that old.) < 1424440048 850537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is 4th Ed < 1424440058 41170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1424440059 888527 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miscounted < 1424440087 721539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People here keep numbering floors wrong. < 1424440096 393731 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, was thinking about the computation theory textbook I plan to order soon < 1424440101 187290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The whole ground floor / first floor thing.) < 1424440106 847286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are they forgetting that G is a natural number < 1424440130 971863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in Finland we had 1 at street level, and so on. < 1424440165 660000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you now? < 1424440169 484712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In London. < 1424440175 516001 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long term? < 1424440191 461714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell. < 1424440203 546637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sympathies. < 1424440221 719410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't been all that bad. < 1424440225 837690 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424440433 843915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you do ever head further north, give me a bell < 1424440633 366706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was this talk (sometime last year) about meeting up in... Birmingham? < 1424440779 794851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham is indeed further north than London < 1424440791 421375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although considerably further south than anywhere in the UK I've lived < 1424440822 404172 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424440860 882087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I think that was mentioned < 1424440865 498129 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing was planned, though < 1424441027 85038 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think it's more like 34534500 because there are 5 possible starting positions < 1424441038 196849 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meeting in Brum, what a bizarre yet intriguing idea < 1424441131 796760 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no wait, there are also 5 possible rotations, they should be captured by the permutation right? i keep forgetting i don't like combinatorics) < 1424441194 854794 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thing is, I *am* burned out, but can't retire yet < 1424441212 705086 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :deciding to leave irc open during the day will be my downfall < 1424441260 863057 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjrdlqhybhmwgiuw QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424441268 43281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still doing, uh, web stuff < 1424441327 779270 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes < 1424441345 820231 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, no, i am changing the world!!!1! < 1424441360 461244 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be a better place after our gamble succeeds < 1424441385 310733 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc startup-babble < 1424441458 865267 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snigollvmaoraxug QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424441509 389218 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now at 6:32 mark of a ten hour video < 1424441664 350557 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/Fd1Sh.jpg whoops, actually 11hours < 1424441902 478348 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about explicit control of evaluation. < 1424441932 978260 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you have two separate syntax elements: < 1424441990 534610 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 0 statements define, in a declarative style, the values to compute < 1424442041 470610 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 1 statements would then in an imperative style, tell the program what order to reduce them in < 1424442046 990516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~pbl/cbpv.html < 1424442072 131969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that's a useless page < 1424442081 869909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's sort of what call-by-push-value is except not really. < 1424442088 229675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does the explicit evaluation control thing. < 1424442192 38046 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgpdlnquywmdiaq JOIN :#esoteric < 1424442376 994038 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :studentt distribution? what is this madness < 1424442625 799787 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, so what I am struggling to define is a good syntax for referring to a node in a evaluation tree. < 1424442769 577822 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what an evaluation tree is, but: 1.1.2.1 < 1424442879 436696 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could work. An evaluation tree would be a tree representing a set of values whihc depend on values in their children. < 1424443244 198790 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is to isolate state changes to one level, and the entirety of math to zero level. < 1424443447 83116 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgxqatoiypndbreh JOIN :#esoteric < 1424443982 1722 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf I don't understand the question < 1424443982 148002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424444231 550573 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424444661 827271 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424445620 282099 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424445711 989280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'll also be going to Oban at some point, but just for touristy things. < 1424446659 388803 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424446859 989177 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, did you see my "Person A", "Person B" example from this morning. apparently it was too much for oerjan (who, in fairness, had just tried to tackle Goedel's System T) < 1424446939 492273 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424447024 300778 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424447063 815288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it the brainfuck thing < 1424447081 917372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain filed it under the same category as "here's my self-interpreter: eval" and "my /bin/cat quine" < 1424447155 569711 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424447236 262975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424447251 489980 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes it was probably that thing, it was "here is a total function which maps any program to its infinite execution trace; its infinite execution trace is represented as a finite object like a lazy list; this finite object is the original program" making it the identity function < 1424447285 188401 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :good day cpressey < 1424447291 827362 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello vanila < 1424447364 169333 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest the codata stuff seems to me like you're syaing.. "here's a game of life interprete" and then providing a function that computes n steps of game of life < 1424447407 934382 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then saying "and you can call it as many times as you like" < 1424447422 290920 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine, programming-wise < 1424447429 128953 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :computability-wise, it's really not useful < 1424447455 982214 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/conor.mcbride/pub/Totality.pdf < 1424447475 984747 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :totality is a red herring imo (today). in fact, halting is a red herring too! (cf. Rice's theorem) < 1424447485 649129 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll rant more in a sec < 1424447503 800372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that's even exactly what it is if you use like Stream < 1424447513 906180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since life : Board -> Stream Board is exactly life : Board -> Nat -> Board < 1424447527 413350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use, like, Stream < 1424447528 428404 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nod < 1424447542 447147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby exactly I mean... not in any language that currently exists. but the language everyone is thinking in, anyway < 1424447543 775802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that would not be useful to someone unless they learn how to call said function < 1424447549 857944 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuqlqarnsybmcfpx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424447577 32106 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function /= a fully functional program < 1424447667 930695 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a standardized encoding for conway gol initial states. < 1424447865 703477 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgpdlnquywmdiaq QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424447865 890327 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgxqatoiypndbreh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424447866 39044 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwogcmphclwclhky QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424448059 862023 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... technically, you could extract a primitive command-line interface from a function's argument types and numbers < 1424448178 291411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life interpreters could stop once a stable state has been achieved < 1424448181 397194 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424448185 728332 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or once a repeating state has been achieved < 1424448221 889329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if every type is given a standard bijection < 1424448225 756817 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stings < 1424448226 213582 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1424448244 673877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or just have the input mark a particular cell, and make the program stop when that cell is alive < 1424448249 223833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think determining if a state is repeating is uncomputable < 1424448282 475970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crazy game of life program at http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=1008395 < 1424448338 912891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but detectable < 1424448361 471250 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecidable is also semi-decidable. glass half full, and all that < 1424448380 580998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm... < 1424448400 186163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think for a finite initial state, it is actually computable, thinking about it < 1424448404 416455 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot what he was going to rant about < 1424448406 296443 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of gliders, most states never repeat < 1424448406 862560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you know the time < 1424448483 169722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the initial state < 1424448508 274486 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it can only expand at a maximum of 1 cell per tick in any direction, right? < 1424448519 355395 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1424448588 588343 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/installation/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_Game_of_Life fwiw < 1424448656 974285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why it's better to have an end marker cell or something similar rather than watching for repeating states < 1424448661 448359 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be any number of conditions under which you want to consider a gol config "halted", also fwiw < 1424448666 717428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop the program when the cell (0,0) is live < 1424448672 660949 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brings me back to Rice's theorem < 1424448810 138999 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well just define all turing machines as not being able to halt, and instead have a "scream state" which, if they ever enter it, they scream, and call it the Screaming Problem < 1424448864 92078 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have an infinite stream of codata representing the execution trace of a TM, ... that still doesn't help me tell if screams or not < 1424448890 589319 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm very wary of Turner starting out with "it's total, which means it terminates" to "it's total, and you get infinite streams" < 1424448907 265918 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*switching to < 1424448944 579255 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424448955 64120 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides! even if we had the most kick-ass language that let me prove all the properties I wanted about my program, it still wouldn't help! < 1424448989 652004 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because who writes to a spec, anyway? half of all software is written, not to a spec, but to a fuzzy notion of what will make the company money while not pissing off the users *too* badly < 1424449013 156655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're definitely burnt out hehe < 1424449034 729123 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those who do write to a spec -- their spec is like a gigantic legal document. maybe, if they're lucky, they've checked it for consistency < 1424449069 42427 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they probably still don't know if it captures the requirements < 1424449085 642116 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424449123 559906 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will change tomorrow anyway < 1424449152 285215 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424449170 413563 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Or the coders interpret the spec differently then the customers < 1424449220 377749 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424449346 221503 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought by 'heart bar' you meant a line of hearts, not a heart with a red bar beside it!!" < 1424449455 51811 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a steel bar impaling a human heart. < 1424449534 274784 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here write their own OS? < 1424449559 755166 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanila: I wrote part of one for a course... < 1424449579 23346 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nic < 1424449580 422717 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1424449587 679421 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do it? < 1424449692 619806 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424449708 863601 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udsvatpuwiflxvcd JOIN :#esoteric < 1424449711 798041 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you start with a system, then you teach it to operate < 1424449722 608718 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually -- it's mostly about interrupts. < 1424449735 130301 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdcfxnyhokjxwxpk JOIN :#esoteric < 1424449830 264556 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424449904 738674 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The overall structure was, some machine-specific stuff in assembler, followed by setting up the interrupt vector and resources for syscalls, then set up the file system (we didn't have to write the hard disk driver ourselves thank god) and then basically you pass control to a userland program which is the command interpreter. < 1424449926 326123 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424449950 663045 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overall the project was a half-assed version of UNIX. < 1424449998 531110 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool! < 1424450018 821944 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill have to pay special attention to interrupts < 1424450205 546532 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sokqvjzqxwavfmeg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424450502 252637 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424450628 272058 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424451207 280523 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424451227 400591 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424451344 139477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unicode might get color modifiers for face characters, for the sake of not being racist, but that didn't stop them from putting in 👱 👲 👳 . < 1424451412 521751 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlapping boxes containing hexadecimal digits are very racist indeed < 1424451465 458533 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 👱👲👳 < 1424451738 845035 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect, whatever that was supposed to do, it didn't work < 1424451750 500779 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the bot is just really, really lagged < 1424451765 743827 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Anyway those characters are "PERSON WITH BLONDE HAIR" "MAN WITH GUA PI MAO" and "MAN WITH TURBAN" respectively. < 1424451800 119360 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, Japanese stereotypes of Europeans, Chinese and Indians. < 1424451801 190242 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. those sounds like emoji imports < 1424451806 716551 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound* < 1424451807 572984 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424451833 679812 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate unicode so much!!!!!!!! < 1424451844 410346 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 characters is already far too many < 1424451850 19178 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :emoji which github supports. i always wondered why I'd ever need to pur a man with a gua pi mao in a pull request, though < 1424451860 433484 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*put < 1424451868 34238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :👯 < 1424451939 732377 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Woman with bunny ears" because the Playboy brand must last for all the ages < 1424452027 681923 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1424452459 474560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: do you want 60 characters, in two planes of 30 characters you can switch among with shifts? < 1424452572 795529 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what that is sorry < 1424452612 988854 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want ride of everything from 01-1F in ascii (except newline) < 1424452614 977625 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :rid* < 1424452693 508971 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about tab? < 1424453394 604309 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424453632 240873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424453635 66931 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424454335 244638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424455345 360482 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1424455374 489631 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424456254 875632 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424457004 29554 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdcfxnyhokjxwxpk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424457110 507282 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424457642 215238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1424460708 276975 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424462178 801151 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424462947 185299 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424463150 443736 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424463262 288282 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424463722 854054 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424463770 301138 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424463792 604437 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424463847 887842 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424463972 848708 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424464151 603841 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424464272 602973 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424465092 948930 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424465304 237898 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjvqglpwlcoysiap JOIN :#esoteric < 1424465999 188664 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I'm this close to flooding the nuiverse with magma. < 1424466005 583495 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*universe < 1424466055 391643 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one level at a time, I'll flood it with water and magma, thus converting everything to obsidian < 1424466068 736662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the whole universe, or just the surface of the planet? < 1424466079 431470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so easy to flood a whole universe with magma < 1424466112 356031 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have a pump stack that can bring magma or water to the highest level. < 1424466141 229662 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to build a second one for the other fluid < 1424466194 659595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is this Dwarf Fortress or Minecraft? < 1424466204 159124 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Frotress < 1424466208 336140 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortress < 1424466227 271722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424466269 830647 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I make it self powered, I'll lock one dwarf into my life support chamber and wait a few days. < 1424466317 573115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for how long can the dwarf survive in that chamber? < 1424466332 177230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are the walls for the chamber made of? < 1424466404 196351 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The walls are natural obsidian except the entrance which is a long tunnel which I'll obsidianify as the first step. The dwarf would have to tunnel his way out. < 1424466717 183304 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it will flood the whole map, but if I switch on a waterfall of each substance at the same time, I assume it will come close. < 1424466859 21377 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other guess I have as to the effect, is that a wall of obsidian will separate a vast ocean of magma from a similar ocean of water. < 1424466961 763381 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way it will be epic < 1424466992 447903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you be able to find out which happens? < 1424467036 80911 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually, when the second pumptower is complete. < 1424467084 129733 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I have to modify the first one to integrate its power. < 1424467170 2213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: but isn't there fog of war in that game? < 1424467253 40540 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is clouds, but above ground I can see everything. < 1424467261 897590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424467269 82436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large is the map? < 1424467308 882238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's something like 128 by 128 tiles < 1424467314 272220 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't counted < 1424467317 119715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? only? < 1424467319 157801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems small < 1424467322 306802 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424467328 14133 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul_ < 1424467334 620990 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424467340 431573 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :each tile is the size of a dwarf < 1424467448 214134 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424467453 183307 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it is 48*4 x 48*4 < 1424467506 487306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :192x192? still very small < 1424467574 171017 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bigger it is the begger the lag < 1424467616 833241 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424467822 733444 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424468175 425115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yeah < 1424468208 50018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how good is the support chamber? how long can the lone dwarf live in it? < 1424468229 25078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will you then rebuild civilization starting from that chamber? < 1424468245 43938 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424468368 833672 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* practically indefinitely. < 1424468376 861928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424468397 239621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that chamber have to contain for that? < 1424468407 694115 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains a small farm, and a still. < 1424468470 438165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424468489 819544 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424468550 144729 :R40UL!~R40UL@178-119-102-102.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424468567 872071 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i whenI get around to using it, I'll dump everything usable in the fort into the chamber < 1424468753 440006 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... won't both of the fluids just flow off the edge. < 1424468772 240018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to meet before they do < 1424468945 403627 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so < 1424468965 159758 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need like 100 enormous iron corkscrews < 1424468985 634164 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424469032 569480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :100? why so many? < 1424469033 340287 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424469045 895638 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To reach to the top of the map < 1424469095 208560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to build a tower almost 100 levels high (easy with obsidian blocks) and then build 100 magma-proof pumps < 1424469147 383663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424469183 85741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need 100 confused scrolls of enchant weapon to magma-proof that many pumps < 1424469282 198499 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unexplained reasons, ordinary iron is magma-proof < 1424469321 87814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424469417 76581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: probably because DF magma is of only 1500 K or colder temperature < 1424469433 539740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the iron is old low tech one with a high melting point < 1424469442 102576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fancy steel < 1424469849 266556 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424470239 268176 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424470436 842275 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1424470724 671281 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424470906 27189 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424471388 873006 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424471626 653488 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The method of a self-powering water pump is due to escher, of course. < 1424471739 146053 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See we pump the water up, where it falls and becomes water pressure for a waterwheel. < 1424471757 662018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which then powers the pumps. < 1424473160 405740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424473528 521699 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424473774 601149 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424473992 601755 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424474113 594397 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.175.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424474771 93394 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424474848 881101 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424474959 884760 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.175.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's entirely possible that there's no complexity class corresponding to the primitive recursive functionals simply because no one gives a crap. < 1424474971 15299 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.175.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarski was a speed freak. < 1424474975 799237 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.175.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just give up. < 1424474978 397947 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.175.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1424474979 867455 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.175.203 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424474991 223244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1424475382 394388 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424475480 921861 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you people know haskell pretty well: is there something that is purely functional, can store things (like lists do) and support O(1) concatenation? I was thinking about something like a double linked list, but i am quite unsure < 1424475492 314326 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424475493 403946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :difference lists < 1424475503 385806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you pay the O(1) cost in observation, though) < 1424475503 955303 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v < 1424475507 914763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] < 1424475512 215308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like \xs -> "foo" ++ xs < 1424475518 852727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :append is composition < 1424475523 821673 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1424475552 749585 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424475585 816422 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ++ O(n) with n being the length of the first list? < 1424475592 374497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only use that for literals. < 1424475598 670744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write \xs -> 'f':'o':'o':xs if you want < 1424475606 219599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that if you have dlists f and g you can append with (f . g) < 1424475625 761701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo xs = 'f':'o':'o':xs; bar xs = 'b':'a':'r':xs in (foo . bar) [] < 1424475626 913952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "foobar" < 1424475638 561051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Show class uses this trick as ShowS (specialised to Strings only) < 1424475643 501389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1424475644 732134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid exponential build-up doing lots of appends < 1424475657 618201 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty clever < 1424475685 413529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching through it works like always, right? < 1424475723 821529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only observe it by passing a list to it < 1424475729 244351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you pay all the append costs then < 1424475735 557233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's much better than ((xs ++ ys) ++ zs) type stuff < 1424475746 873699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for doing lots of appends and then observing the result once < 1424475771 324133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm actually okay with that < 1424475779 240853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424475827 173726 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424475829 699540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1424475829 845889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 12h 26m 45s ago: Uh-oh, I think my esowiki SSH key is only on the laptop and the fungot server, both of which are currently in the house-with-no-internet. < 1424475837 675801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie fiendish < 1424475837 822518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424476024 825839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :To the finder of this bottle: I'm a fungot trapped in a house with no internet | ZFC is a ChuChu rocket. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1424476177 613923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can you tell HackEgo to join the channel? it's on freenode but not here < 1424476201 307728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424476204 552485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does this do the clever way of concatenation? i.e. right associative? < 1424476291 987814 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has to, if i don't ignore something obvious < 1424476634 465856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you point out to cpressey that you can do goodstein sequence in system F, and ackermann is much simpler than that. < 1424476666 260900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone on this channel did that after we discussed that it should be possible) < 1424476672 602760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes; oerjan: no < 1424476697 945796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in particular (f . g) . h and f . (g . h) both do right-associative appends. < 1424476731 262592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the answer to "what complexity class does that correspond to" is something at most System F / second order logic < 1424476760 66248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you can use Endo [a], that comes with the right Monoid instance I think < 1424476778 309926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mind explaining? < 1424476783 983993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there's, like, http://hackage.haskell.org/package/dlist < 1424476786 523378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: from Data.Monoid < 1424476787 800168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are equivalent in some sense iirc from the discussion) < 1424476790 937332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endo a is a wrapper for (a -> a) < 1424476795 827462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not like Ursala, where «(f)(g)(h)» means (f g) h and «(f) (g) (h)» means f (g h) < 1424476798 675906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a Monoid instance that does composition and an mempty that's id < 1424476805 712809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly the [] and (++) analogues here < 1424476813 664050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can also use like, mconcat < 1424476823 577206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also just use functions directly though < 1424477115 42168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it feels like the amount of rep i get for a stackoverflow answer is inversely correlated to the amount of work it was... < 1424477200 606886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't surprise me < 1424477222 761465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424477290 725281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really surprise me either < 1424477327 866951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an answer that's easy to make is also easy to understand < 1424477410 847480 :R40UL!~R40UL@178-119-102-102.access.telenet.be QUIT : < 1424477464 820266 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... concat xs = foldr (.) [] (map (\x -> (\xs -> x ++ xs)) < 1424477474 127033 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be O(n)? < 1424477483 414263 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n being all list elements < 1424477507 310772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the same as foldr (++) [] < 1424477512 624163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you mean foldr (.) id but yeah) < 1424477534 777316 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah < 1424477537 805959 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1424477558 815900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl would be n^2, wouldn't it? < 1424477562 190872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: GHC probably fuses that into something simple < 1424477577 757072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424477590 999638 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1424477628 821279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah foldl is n^2 at least if it doesn't fuse, i'm not sure nowadays... < 1424477743 622575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what is the advantage of using that function composition thingie instead of concat' = concat . reverse < 1424477775 634227 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do foo:bar:[], couldn't you? < 1424477783 180679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want concat you can write foldr (++) [] < 1424477788 88851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you were doing something more complicated than that < 1424477865 206619 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not quite sure, i have to take a look on how often i actually have to look into that list, but as far as i know it shouldn't happen that much < 1424477880 597123 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to know, though < 1424477891 308883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas but the way it is, it's not even turing complete, because there are only finitely many valid eodermdrone programs <-- you're jumping straight into our discussion of what TC means, i see < 1424477891 455426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424478366 195929 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424478393 7029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :callfornickmolting < 1424478544 236687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424478558 244842 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424478565 959447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :molting complete < 1424479235 852183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424479348 404271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopia < 1424479366 537934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there appears to be a boily shortage < 1424479466 394570 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424480169 286019 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424480450 270507 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424480709 323842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* hit the power button again < 1424480724 704100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i restarted fast enough it didn't disconnect < 1424480752 286815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already changed it from "reboot" to hibernate, i think i shall change it to "do nothing" < 1424480841 397417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, i never really use it anyway; whenever i _actually_ reboot it's to restart immediately. < 1424481001 770954 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424481139 285324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424482058 250103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424482685 328150 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424482735 289192 :merdach!~r@c-71-59-196-85.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1 < 1424482804 193547 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjvqglpwlcoysiap QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424483017 501297 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424483504 975383 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424483614 589262 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424484226 129764 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424485115 674840 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424485429 255761 :devdean1!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424486037 335937 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424486168 597616 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424486287 788132 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424486391 717430 :devdean1!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src < 1424486391 864012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :src . Display the implementation of a standard function < 1424486423 634824 :devdean1!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src src < 1424486423 818057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Do you think like you type? < 1424486540 431857 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1424486608 256610 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src id < 1424486608 404826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :id x = x < 1424486608 851933 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424486664 458395 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src not < 1424486664 604793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not True = False < 1424486664 612647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not False = True < 1424486670 384858 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424486879 703053 :devdean1!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@activity 3600 < 1424486879 849610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :112*total 93*private 9*#haskell-blah 5*#esoteric 4*#haskell 1*#scannedinavian < 1424487148 611206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424487361 5669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok girl genius, _that_ was unexpected. < 1424487493 814731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for time travel being involved. < 1424487504 17335 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nmctadhnbpivsgls JOIN :#esoteric < 1424487527 305802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll still be involved _elsewhere_, presumably.) < 1424487681 779024 :devdean1!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn esoteric < 1424487682 643020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "esoteric" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1424487682 789591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric < 1424487682 789714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: confined to and understandable by only an enlightened < 1424487682 789789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : inner circle; "a compilation of esoteric philosophical < 1424487682 789861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : theories" [ant: {exoteric}] < 1424488223 56539 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziyeqrqrokvmipvm JOIN :#esoteric < 1424491144 86318 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424492831 380232 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424493696 989855 :_1_lyndero3!~WhatsChat@168.27.15.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424493704 472711 :_1_lyndero3!~WhatsChat@168.27.15.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424493739 258855 :_1_lyndero3!~WhatsChat@168.27.15.70 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424494195 328557 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424494720 73205 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst that could happen if I upload this music to YouTube? < 1424495154 320676 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one sounds like someone really playing a real piano... and making mistakes :/ < 1424495922 724911 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424495947 518574 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424496185 854931 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424496346 637087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://runt-of-the-web.com/amazingly-unhelpful-fun-facts < 1424496470 913883 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://horseysurprise.tumblr.com/ < 1424496858 454364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that tumblr site not only has too small text, but it neutralizes attempts to zoom it. i suggest killing it with fire. < 1424497029 296125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, agreeing with me on this is mandatory hth < 1424497054 960882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have waited a bit too long to eat < 1424497210 956627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*attempts to neutralize attempts to zoom it < 1424497237 251510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in IE it succeeds. < 1424497307 767802 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just made me open IE. I shall not forgive you. < 1424497347 790737 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fails for me in IE too. Where fail is defined as "not as effective as perfect neutralization would be" < 1424497381 378693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i define "neutralization" as "prevents getting it to an actually readable size" hth < 1424497431 624813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was able to increase the size, slower than I should have been able to, but it still increased each time < 1424497451 721844 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the images are usually the important part < 1424497474 986643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the images where zoom isn't working well :/ < 1424497477 777716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ok i actually meant the image hth < 1424497508 680420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid geeks taking blathering literally < 1424497512 967356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLicking the image then clicking the image works for me < 1424497535 983551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you didn't read the part where i said agreeing was mandatory hth < 1424497569 999328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok my blood sugar should return to normal soon. unless it overshoots again. < 1424497666 709857 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diabetes, or just bad regular eating habits? < 1424497704 299309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i somehow waited for 8 hours before eating < 1424497764 659409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diabetes runs in the family but i didn't have it when tested two years ago. < 1424497807 863704 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some point I might need to get tested for it. < 1424497818 968641 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it runs in the family for me as well. < 1424497829 29708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("somehow" ~ "started trawling a webcomic archive for an old strip") < 1424497840 525570 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424497859 492214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never found it. maybe i'm imagining the strip, or have misremembered the character involved < 1424497921 863280 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What comic what strip? < 1424497937 359445 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'm especially likely to know personally < 1424497940 148281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another fantasy gamer comic < 1424497949 676382 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nmctadhnbpivsgls QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424497967 900728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the name btw) < 1424497995 112630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current act reintroduces some rather old characters that haven't been seen in a while < 1424497998 259565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arc < 1424498066 336660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was a strip where dewcup met those ranna worshippers in arachne's dungeon < 1424498083 899021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i'm not sure if they had shown up yet < 1424498099 670032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think it may have been someone other than dewcup < 1424498175 909016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't expect anyone else here to know, anyway. < 1424498186 883543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try /r/tipofmytongue ? < 1424498187 603635 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424498200 356253 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any comic-specific forums < 1424498237 400789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i was going to check which arc the worshippers showed up in < 1424498325 997113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's moved servers so the whole archive has been reorganized < 1424498946 509547 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The word 'onomatopoeia' is also an onomatopoeia because it's derived from the sound produced when the word is spoken aloud." < 1424499045 549466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i was confusing dewcup with jone. < 1424500262 604586 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424502894 426553 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdvaxwsuvkqcvtel JOIN :#esoteric < 1424504861 913910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 1 < 1424504868 333534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1424504888 370589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo 1 < 1424504890 527564 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1424505134 747680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well that was an unexpected girl genius development. < 1424505184 122129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it now, I haven't even read Wednesday's GG yet. < 1424505329 904001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose someone might have predicted it. < 1424505462 930003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it surprised me. < 1424505480 445501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :King of all cats... I remembered that. < 1424506476 159442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't recall Krosp being explicitly connected to Dr. Vapnoople < 1424506791 685586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424506827 158730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried looking up some of that earlier < 1424506883 417731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttp://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Krosp_I is helpful, but the story of Krosp's creation didn't reveal the creator < 1424506925 530928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked at wikia too and got frustrated because so many references were to the novels < 1424507064 737513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well krosp is seen hiding when she first meets dr. dim < 1424507128 506875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's been hiding on the airship ever since his creation, so all I read into that is that there was some convenient hiding place nearby < 1424507228 810798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it doesn't really matter; even if it has been mentioned before I probably wouldn't have remembered it < 1424507248 684035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040319 < 1424507335 138952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. thanks. < 1424507989 295725 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424508462 556539 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424509166 240720 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424510006 346860 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1424510114 496089 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424510786 347440 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424510794 795280 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424511195 378402 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi vanila < 1424511250 599411 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the OS i wrote < 1424511256 497622 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 0583 8000 000b eb01 00f7 0000 b002 1bad < 1424511256 644093 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000010 0003 0001 4ffb e451 000c 0000 0000 0000 < 1424511256 790879 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000020 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 < 1424511275 218304 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VX4TjY0.png < 1424511874 471412 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1424511919 988857 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that's a hexdump of the bootblock? < 1424511950 438758 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and boot it with GRUB < 1424511980 809205 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsj ust a multiboot header + loop that increments some address < 1424511998 602623 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424512004 11922 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I can't figure out how to do is boot it on a real computer :\ < 1424512015 15124 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried usb drive but it doesnt work < 1424512052 441719 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about multiboot < 1424512100 99234 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i don't think i've ever gone beyond booting from a floppy < 1424512142 602718 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424512305 772821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: we had a discussion here at one time about System F / second order logic, you can look at that as a complexity class if you want and it contains ackermann and even the goodstein sequence < 1424512349 839027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone here wrote up an implementation of the latter in non-recursive rank-N haskell, which is basically equivalent) < 1424512411 223597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424512505 377583 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't know how much it freaked me out to see you talking about webcomics and killing webpages with fire, in the logs < 1424512523 614628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1424512544 952692 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew, maybe that wasn't you? < 1424512556 561758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was me, but still, huh? < 1424512575 631410 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1424512575 788228 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1424512575 934364 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1424512575 934510 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/| < 1424512575 934585 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\ < 1424512580 95942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most webcomics i read i learned about in this channel) < 1424512581 23169 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just booted it for real < 1424512594 885571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: psst your script is running twice or something < 1424512610 264097 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1424512610 410376 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |    |    |    |    | < 1424512610 410498 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |    |    |    |    ¦ < 1424512610 410578 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /'\   |\  /<    |\  ´¸¨ < 1424512610 410650 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\  /´\  /'\  /|    >\ < 1424512613 62390 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1424512621 242588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been noticed before < 1424512632 407865 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look like keys < 1424512638 653217 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1424512666 764557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: most webcomics i've followed i learned about via this channel < 1424512701 811667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my huh is because i don't know why that freaked you out. < 1424512750 647121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who has recently become a lot more dependent on zooming webpages, it irritates me a lot when they make it hard. < 1424512848 124377 :Korok!~Korok@unaffiliated/korok JOIN :#esoteric < 1424512865 962567 :Korok!~Korok@unaffiliated/korok PART :#esoteric < 1424512946 212748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by the way, a fungot status update. Our Internet arrives on March 3, but I'll be out of the country from March 2 to 13, so I have a fungot ETA of maybe mid-March. < 1424512950 719988 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never mind -- I think there's something wrong with me. < 1424512979 139636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Very suboptimal.) < 1424512986 781070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you don't happen to have another way of making HackEgo join a channel, do you? it's actually connected... < 1424513005 242934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one but it's convoluted. < 1424513019 948284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'd give you the standard lewis carroll quote but HackEgo isn't here... < 1424513048 550902 :devdean1!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424513121 247678 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, I have to just conclude that complexity theorists don't care about the upper reaches < 1424513144 634854 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can almost hear them yawn when it gets bigger than NP < 1424513145 602159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that seems likely < 1424513174 88423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's not true, PSPACE and EXP get a fair workout don't they < 1424513201 787621 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, I've seen them be interested in PSPACE at least < 1424513297 870551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could maybe make a case for "only classes not known to be larger than NP" < 1424513325 782770 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that anyone here would necessarily know offhand, but: like Ackermann is sort of the poster-child for "not in PR", are there any obvious candidates for "not in "? < 1424513331 194821 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even guesses would be fine < 1424513341 251912 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just be a little irked if there are no "natural" examples < 1424513353 231210 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that Ackermann is particularly natural < 1424513359 442939 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But compared to some things, it is < 1424513417 281601 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1424513421 954352 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot, I don't actually care. < 1424513431 285935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1424513442 842524 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilism is harder than it looks, isn't it < 1424513492 957572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1424513524 882197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1424513559 245435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles 4'33'' innocently < 1424513564 672208 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get the feeling that there's no point in me trying to understand these things, because I'm sure I never will. This grates against the fact that they fascinate me. < 1424513642 219965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that when you look at very small or very large complexity classes things tend to get intertwined with logic questions < 1424513694 264893 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem reasonable, once you get above EXP and friends, to stop treating it as complexity and start treating it as computability < 1424513726 220264 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the thing being investigated? < 1424513736 97147 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: hard to say < 1424513751 608671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, laptop is up and keyboard is connected to phone. < 1424513762 842641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, I need to something something something. < 1424513778 358981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i know any problems between goodstein/hydra things and the halting problem/busy beaver stuff < 1424513795 936493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, there's no nc on Android shell. < 1424513802 738250 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: algorithms that run a long, loooong, loooooooong time, but we still know that they eventually finish <-- very approximate way to describe it < 1424513827 895725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good man < 1424513828 799291 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really interesting topic < 1424513833 605228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can push the SSH key from the laptop to the phone (which is the only thing Internetted here), but I'm not sure how to get it to somewhere else. < 1424513841 170446 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at least I know about the hydra, but I'll have to refresh myself on goodstein < 1424513843 661831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can get a bit philosophical < 1424513857 502922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think they're sort of on the same level < 1424513899 697474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are about things that can grow a lot in size but always shrink as ordinals < 1424513929 419557 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah as soon as you get to the point of needing transfinite induction to prove that it terminates... sheesh < 1424513953 344684 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i can see why this is not a well-trodden area < 1424514042 92014 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably overthinking things, too < 1424514146 120865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. I pushed the files to Download/ but they're not visible there. < 1424514159 940591 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cool thing about the dependent type theory as opposed to something like charity is you can write programs that take a very very long time to halt < 1424514164 19409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the storage indexer thing doesn't refresh from just an adb push. < 1424514206 274514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the "Downloads" list and the Download/ folder aren't a 1:1 thing at all. < 1424514236 957928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1424514434 913460 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424514468 86211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have got it < 1424514576 85423 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ebola virus? < 1424514589 527605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server is being really really slow. < 1424514597 914182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again :( < 1424514605 728380 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slowver < 1424514635 941025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not so slow that HackEgo is pinging out... < 1424514656 367613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424514661 384929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is done. < 1424514665 748317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! < 1424514667 73548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was stupidly complicated. < 1424514669 178019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1424514697 746897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took maybe 5 seconds to reply to simple shell commands, so I don't expect the umlbox stuff will run very fast. < 1424514733 811062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone is DOSing the wiki. it could happen. < 1424514747 408252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe CloudAtCost. < 1424514777 477506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have a look at network traffic, but I need some breakfast first. < 1424514779 97293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1424514790 839633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ^ quote < 1424514883 365241 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/installation/Cheshire_Text <-- but you need to read the whole thing, top to bottom, for it to work < 1424514911 921697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine why < 1424514921 583126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424515136 523571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that went rather more quickly than I expected... http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/cheshire.png < 1424515403 123430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, couldn't the same effect be achieved by a CSS transition?) < 1424515466 938060 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grin grin grin < 1424515514 466677 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought: a brainfuck OS < 1424515525 697362 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel is in assembly and has interrupts for each of <, >, +, -, ., ... < 1424515548 349956 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can compile a brainfuck program into syscalls.. but then someone could still use registers and things < 1424515619 479333 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424515906 535260 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you feel overwhelmed, go with minor-closed graph classification, which takes only cubic time. < 1424515922 566663 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I like the idea of one syscall per BF instruction for some reason < 1424515936 992361 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a certain terrible elegance < 1424515943 320492 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like things with a certain terrible elegance < 1424515963 444136 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424516560 716171 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I should write that recursive-{de,a}scent {parse,generato}r I've been meaning to < 1424516809 603324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive scent < 1424517469 268162 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424517522 714322 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424517737 372277 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am going to steal that term if you don't mind < 1424517747 739999 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in this implementation < 1424517793 608430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this smells of recognition < 1424517830 308681 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424518048 146685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many curses < 1424518144 419775 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424518271 354157 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :done. can anyone recommend a pastebin? < 1424518327 868901 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I just know you are all pastebin connoisseurs < 1424518360 410276 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gist it is! < 1424518469 901756 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/cpressey/dd3f63eda91b33e429fa < 1424518503 27925 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you may all tell me that I should have done it with monads, dependent types, and CSS transitions < 1424518754 874304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you going to ask for justifications of such claims? < 1424518763 62860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I'd be happy to oblige. < 1424518784 259226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I sometimes use dpaste < 1424519046 589654 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, I'll just say "oh, I know, I know" like Mrs. Fawlty on the phone < 1424519092 298344 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424519357 301405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely monads yeah < 1424519507 104762 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I know, I know < 1424519678 302626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e will have to take care of the CSS transitions and elliott the dependent types < 1424519937 364473 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424520058 709007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424520246 398844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on i just woke up < 1424520272 411701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sake of fantasy i would like you all to believe that i have irc pings hooked up to an alarm < 1424520493 548885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1424520539 209063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean CTCP pings, hmm < 1424520575 516077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i am talked to i have to hit the alarm off. please be considerate and leave me alone forever < 1424520700 300447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you got the reverse psychology idea wrong. < 1424520738 308257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *can* go around explaining a new toy to children, then forbid them to use it. But you shouldn't be surprised if they end up playing with them anyway. < 1424520751 87905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/them/it/ < 1424520777 736018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like the utter certainty all of you would spend hours setting off my alarm were it real is why this channel sucks so much < 1424520835 905396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this is cute. there is work on this kind of thing in The Literature, i think < 1424520843 92227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser combinators that go both ways, etc. < 1424520962 411683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "both ways" http://hackage.haskell.org/package/boomerang < 1424521035 850589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. there's like, an Actual Name for it and Actual Papers. maybe "reversible grammar" or something, I don't know. < 1424521047 695185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get things like, instead of fmap taking a function it takes an isomorphism < 1424521054 135951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one function for each direction < 1424521062 702657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: am I academising sufficiently here? < 1424521749 300534 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424521967 942814 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the sake of fantasy i would like you all to believe that i have irc pings hooked up to an alarm < 1424521978 546623 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done this in the past & suspect someone else does this < 1424522010 971047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: like a proper alarm or just making your computer make a lot of noise < 1424522015 457074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it should be like, clockwork < 1424522039 355824 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just the computer, but t woldnt be too hard with an adruino or something.. < 1424522103 347145 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, thank you. i realize it is nothing very special, but i think it's cute too < 1424522230 720570 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversible parsing is very awkward < 1424522237 870685 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing is not usually a bijection < 1424522247 333932 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of things like skipping whitespace, comments < 1424522268 881333 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :iits better to specify a parse as something that if you print it out and parse that you get the same thing < 1424522332 826989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it's often kinda useful not to drop things like comments in an AST so you can do things like error reporting and code transformations without disturbing things like that (but it is awkward yeah) < 1424522624 909770 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "a certain terrible elegance" that i referred to means "it suggests an algebra" because what is interesting me right now is, are there any operation-sets besides "parse" and "generate" that make any sense < 1424522651 540206 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only think of fairly contrived ones, and minor (relatively) variations on those two < 1424522691 86155 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"count terminals in grammar" is not exactly interesting < 1424522706 14310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the operations in http://matt.might.net/articles/parsing-with-derivatives/, maybe? < 1424522723 665727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(taking the derivative with respect to a token, deciding whether a grammar admits an empty string, etc.) < 1424522733 859134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not doable with the imperative recursive-descent style though so n/m < 1424522740 855859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the empty < 1424522782 12804 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424522787 929579 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this code makes it abundantly clear that the RDP could be a passive data structure instead of a set of functions < 1424522790 528526 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt empyness undecidable for CFG? < 1424522806 992544 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, its decidable < 1424522816 748866 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it admits a notion of derivative too? < 1424522818 705284 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersection of 2 being empty is, i thnk < 1424522832 337804 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that might let you determine equality which is undecidable.. < 1424522853 746534 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's no derivative for CFGs then < 1424522872 235728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that article is about derivative for CFGs < 1424523000 967359 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1424523002 725767 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1424523018 430447 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed it was about regex < 1424523039 918620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about using derivatives to parse arbitrary CFGs < 1424523290 497852 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1424523296 310923 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that the derivative is an infinite object < 1424523310 792030 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that stops you from being able to use it to determine equality < 1424523593 848221 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember coming across derivative of regular languages a few years ago; you can basically extend it to a kind of linear algebra, which is neat. didn't realize you could extend it to CFL's < 1424523613 229965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well, it's infinite if the original grammar is, I think < 1424523622 479773 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of left recursion < 1424523627 890782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, not necessarily, sometimes it can be finite < 1424524243 308327 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no backtracking in the algorithm." <-- for some reason that made me interrobang < 1424524266 503453 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually quite cool < 1424524270 574444 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1424524619 318958 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm probably not understanding it entirely correctly, but it's like the memoization and fixed-point parts avert any possibility of backtracking, early on < 1424524641 495971 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at the regex version of this? < 1424524655 721858 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use derivatives of regexes to build a DFA < 1424525323 885334 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yes, in a book, probably about 8 years ago :/ < 1424525344 839257 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424525345 561305 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linear alg thing was what stuck in my mind < 1424525693 587571 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the no-backtracking property might mean it'd be good for parsing streams (e.g. data over a socket) too < 1424526990 209989 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end it almost sounds like they want to add some "hash-consing" to it too :) < 1424528371 407498 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424528559 773720 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424528616 349209 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1424528992 878988 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424529235 293899 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424530915 107295 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 wait, doesn't it have to be the other way around? You need a mapping (O(n) or otherwise) from TMs to programs in language X, for X to be TC < 1424530915 290414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424530975 699390 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a mapping from at least 1 universal TM to at least 1 program in language X, X is fancy-L-complete or whatever < 1424531067 907241 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a lot of "naturally occurring" "compiler mappings" like these that exceed O(n log n), but it might be nice to have some contrived examples < 1424531485 663729 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some esolang where programs have to be arranged "just so" and a compiler from-TM-to-it has to take that into account when constructing the target program < 1424531524 957959 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to fit the commands into a tesselation or something, so compiling to it requires solving a NP hard puzzle < 1424531594 556980 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: exactly, something like that < 1424531607 180931 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, there are two esolangs called "Numberwang" < 1424531788 932324 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424531847 463282 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can't find anything on esolangs.org that fits the bill offhand, but that thing's huge now :) < 1424531895 980236 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of them might fit the bill, if we knew more about them :) < 1424532004 745413 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424532025 321590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs anything like that when you have masterpieces like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Pig < 1424532067 221039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is esolangs.org HSTS yet < 1424532113 25912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the languages based on qubits? < 1424532265 239152 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424532478 609385 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-hard might still = P, who knows, so I'd prefer something EXPTIME-complete < 1424532525 806109 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to remember that I don't really care before I actually try to devise something like this < 1424532592 713772 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there are some: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=qubit&title=Special%3ASearch < 1424532622 124930 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424532641 147359 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424533036 750970 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424533051 951408 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424533104 456706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, NP-hard is definitely larger than P < 1424533138 747047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/P_np_np-complete_np-hard.svg < 1424533141 125245 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-hard includes everything that is outside P, doesn't it? < 1424533146 862634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1424533154 740750 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1424533187 920532 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An EXPBLARGL program consists of a description of a Turing machine, a number k, and a Befunge program. To run an EXPBLARGL program, first you determine if the given TM halts in k steps. If it does, you run the Befunge program. If it doesn't, you run 99 bottle of beer on the wall, or something. < 1424533215 31219 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, uh, k must exqual the size of teh Befunge program < 1424533235 526407 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the compiler can always just pick easy TMs < 1424533249 720798 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the Befunge program has to double as the TM description < 1424533270 110066 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only reason I chose Befunge is because I was going to choose brainfuck but then Phantom_Hoover walked in < 1424533291 513109 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought NP-hard meant >= NP-complete < 1424533311 792265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424533327 102138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it includes problems which aren't in P or NP < 1424533343 39340 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, is NP-complete not in NP? < 1424533352 845787 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-complete is in NP < 1424533371 727494 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if x is NP-hard it might be NP-complete which might (WHO KNOWS) be in P < 1424533385 11377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a concrete example, the halting problem is NP-hard but not in NP < 1424533408 110353 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes but "NP-hard but not in NP" is not the same as "NP-hard" < 1424533412 145453 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/P_np_np-complete_np-hard.svg NP complete is a lemon < 1424533458 628821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks more like an american football < 1424533459 159632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh, were you talking about individual problems rather than the classes as a whole? < 1424533494 558348 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, I'm trying to make a contrived language to which you can't compile a TM in O(n log n) because ais523 < 1424533501 72557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424533587 62975 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that matters, given the diagram vanila linked to, but I don't really care < 1424533759 883124 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424533852 805532 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424533870 993014 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424533876 674162 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: unefunge < 1424533897 398596 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424533898 539392 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unefunge or blank would be simpler < 1424533922 32876 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPBLARGL as defined is only P-complete b/c the length is effectively given in unary < 1424533927 870045 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try again < 1424534008 310804 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, sorry, I'm going to use brainfuck because it's convenient. besides, it will give Phantom_Hoover something to blog about < 1424534051 977211 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424534053 116138 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an EXPLBARGL program is a brainfuck program except first you interpret it as a base-8 number and call than n and then you only run it if you determine it does *not* halt in n steps < 1424534102 431548 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, EXPLBLARGL was actually a typo there, but that's fine < 1424534109 348531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: regarding the complexity of compiling stuff to Turing machines, how do you represeny Turing machines? If an n state Turing machine requires O(n log n) data then that should also be a lower bound for a compiler. < 1424534137 100205 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: How about some sort of incremental XOR? < 1424534295 596857 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A turing machine requires potentially unbounded memory, depending on what is to be compiled. < 1424534337 386690 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't know if that's what you're asking. < 1424534349 108657 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, the "obvious" way to me to describe a TM has length O(nm) where n is # states and m is # symbols. but if ais523 is going to allow some tricky compression, I dunno < 1424534386 951870 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yeah, that's not a problem, I'm only considering compiling TMs to other languages that also have unbounded storage < 1424534475 56800 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, EXPLBLARGL still fails < 1424534487 661313 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1424534494 738949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Ah I was thinking about a fixed number of symbols. How do you avoid the log n factor? < 1424534532 837196 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec < 1424534535 348235 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt this impossible? < 1424534549 241084 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1424534550 630908 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that kthing where you write an interpreter for another lagnuage, then provide your code as data < 1424534586 728468 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is a fixed number of characters and the data can probably be at worst a unary encoded number < 1424534595 86902 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424534597 931461 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't see any need to avoid it myself. I think it's ais523 who's aiming for O(n). I'm just observing there aren't many cases where you need a compiler that is more than O(n log n) < 1424534604 314646 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log n is for the symbol table < 1424534609 513592 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves hands a lot < 1424534625 50847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fresh air! < 1424534662 252375 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, well? < 1424534686 144651 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what were you asking about the impossibility of? < 1424534691 464998 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1424534699 571338 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling things to turing machines, or compiling turing machines to other things? < 1424534723 928233 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: compiling TMs to other things and needing more than O(n log n) time to do it < 1424534728 764626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Which shows that you need to be precise with the rules. Is providing extra data on the tape allowed? Of course you can prefix the interpreter by code that initialises the tape but then you /may/ run into issues with encoding the state numbers in O(1) symbols. < 1424534815 931807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's easy to devise encodings for TMs where this works (for example you can encode references to the "next" state by a fixed string) < 1424534827 492612 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a (bad) example, compiling a TM to a Perl program shouldn't require more than O(n) time, where n is the length of the TM description (and yes, I'm assuming things like, the TM description is given as a table, and it starts with a blank tape) < 1424534973 217092 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emit prelude; for each transition in table { emit a bit of Perl with if statements and goto statements }; emit postlude /* probably not even needed here */ < 1424534977 605029 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424535007 258971 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prelude defines a global variable for the tape and whatnot < 1424535031 226253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd emit a TM interpreter followed by the TM description < 1424535047 707672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating? maybe, but where exactly do you draw the line? < 1424535050 876833 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the program oculd be encrypted, so to compile to something eslseyou have to decrypt it < 1424535055 341751 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that could require brute force < 1424535067 604280 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424535078 40979 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424535089 79928 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter for the program would have to do the same decryption work of course, so it wouldnt' be a efficient programming language < 1424535137 226706 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not cheating at all; in fact that's O(n) too. question is, is there any target language where you can't do it in O(n log n), even given tricks like that < 1424535162 884432 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/where/into which/ maybe for clarity or maybe that makes it even less clear < 1424535240 416084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sure, take some enumeration of Brainfuck programs; encode the n-th program by the n-th fibonacci number in unary. < 1424535321 169807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's very artificial. I don't know of any natural restriction on a programming language with such an effect. < 1424535339 51049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe compiling to a 2-counter Minsky machine would do the trick < 1424535396 347909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably that won't help either (modulo the encoding-dependent log(n) factor that I already mentioned for Turing machines) < 1424535423 892592 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: artifical or not, that does seem to do the trick < 1424535609 5506 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's to pathological, conjecture-defeating constructions! < 1424535626 895363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1424535725 9029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you considered "Eightebed II" as a name for whatever this is < 1424535759 69767 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er well no, as it seems so, y'know, different < 1424535769 995955 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a scion of the House of Eightebed, as it were < 1424535798 106093 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that matters much, I grant < 1424535833 89615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just reacting to "pathological, conjecture-defeating constructions" < 1424535850 805411 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, there's that < 1424535891 55363 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've read "Counterexamples in Analysis" and "Counterexamples in Topology", now comes "Counterexamples in Computability"! < 1424535933 941983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum. "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion. Instead, migrate your apps to Automatic Reference Counting" < 1424535983 940936 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first they tell you what programming language you must use. then they tell you what algorithms you must use. < 1424536038 370141 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beginning May 30, 2015, new Mac apps must not use Bubble Sort" < 1424536047 660397 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424536091 91396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that only means the objective-c garbage collector >_> < 1424536093 741923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's mandata Fibonacci heaps for all implementations of Dijkstra's algorithm... < 1424536099 608810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be kind of surprised if they rejected, like, boehm < 1424536102 780280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raising the bar! < 1424536154 761812 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: IMPLODING CHICKEN < 1424536163 186227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "mandata". < 1424536855 426686 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brainfuck-like language that only runs the program if it cannot find a shorter program that outputs the same result in less than 2^n steps < 1424536893 863996 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still contrived, of course < 1424537000 675159 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, hey, Kolmogorov. can't beat Kolmogorov < 1424537202 948734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it becomes trickier if the program gets inputs < 1424537230 908944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I looked at a book about kolmogorov complexity and it cited a person in this channel all over the place < 1424537241 438949 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trickier" < 1424537241 923324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was weird < 1424537268 186617 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scrolls up < 1424537305 835492 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did it cite them by nick? < 1424537312 582390 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT would be a bit weird < 1424537326 699869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: insofar as their nick is -- well, let's not speak too loudly < 1424537368 136209 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses < 1424537438 927628 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424537466 220627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course, it was you < 1424537624 631210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, this was fun. http://int-e.eu/~bf3/v6/ < 1424537656 695232 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assembled it scrambed?? < 1424537658 362304 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrambled < 1424537678 768781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly. only the corners need to be correct. < 1424537692 380139 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats dangerous! < 1424537696 354018 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know it would be a solvable state < 1424537698 764364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said... < 1424537714 48195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corners are the only thing that mattes at even sizes. < 1424537722 424778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*matters* < 1424537727 299767 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424537743 705809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For odd sizes, you need to be careful with the center pieces of the edges as well. < 1424537752 62060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still thinking on this Fast Fourier stuff. it's very interesting. < 1424537757 930319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh ~bf3 probably isn't a reference to brainfuck... < 1424537761 968969 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it b_jonas? < 1424537766 357527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nor battlefield < 1424537785 839112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i don't understand the mechanism inside rubik's cubes < 1424537787 155157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was my account name at my first university. < 1424537789 594457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :their rotational abilities are a mystery to me < 1424537798 164987 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424537800 144087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't tell me. i love the mystery < 1424537803 209405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which one? the 3x3, or some different size? < 1424537807 873155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you ever taken apart a 3x3x3 one? < 1424537819 504982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. honestly I've had very little interactions with them full stop < 1424537834 995730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably tried to solve one, like, five times. < 1424537842 859268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the best way to understand it is to take a 3x3x3 apart then < 1424537843 42095 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are, like, twisty-turny things inside it < 1424537867 791649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: just how the algorithms work in detail and when it's worth to use what variant < 1424537880 698511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try to implement some as a test < 1424537881 423864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: thanks < 1424537884 753600 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah alright < 1424537893 24760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3x3x3 one is actually really simple. There are exactly as many moving parts as you can see (thinking of the cross in the middle as fixed) < 1424537924 75946 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I encountered a rubik's cube that had differently shaped tiles instead of different colors, that thing really looked like it shouldn't spin at all < 1424537928 932494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the complexity of the internals scale with the size < 1424537933 7509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it superexponential < 1424537949 577691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you mean the silver mirror cube in particular, or some other variant? < 1424537967 760016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got myself a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaminx recently. < 1424537968 6733 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's the one < 1424537978 266817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hard to tell, because they can't do it for arbitrarily large size, and I think there's more than one mechanism for some large sizes < 1424537981 770866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit odd :) < 1424537992 269401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily the 3x3x3 is the most natural < 1424537998 923835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wow this is terrifying < 1424538000 663772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of what int-e says < 1424538001 683152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silver mirror one < 1424538006 815502 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it might be *easier* to figure out how it works from a silver mirror cube < 1424538008 471203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's GREAT < 1424538011 714290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying. < 1424538012 784960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a silver mirror < 1424538012 932419 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't solve the rubiks cube :( < 1424538020 198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit harder to solve than the ordinary cube, < 1424538027 820127 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to solve it for a long time but I didn't figure it out < 1424538053 920889 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have solved it: did you look up a guide or get told what to do or figure it out youreslf? < 1424538058 522341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wish I had had it when I was in high school, because it's possible to solve it without looking, so I could have solved it under the desk during a class while pretending to listen to the teacher < 1424538076 986168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: looked up guides, and figured out a few changes myself < 1424538101 433220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't practiced much so I still solve it somewhat slowly (and ever more slowly as I forget) < 1424538109 162250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I looked up guides, forgot half of them, discovered a few combinations myself, learned some from other people ... and by now I know enough to be able to solve it from scratch /in principle/. < 1424538127 908153 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could write a comupter program to solve it < 1424538138 560997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm using the third method to solve it so far < 1424538146 870453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first learnt a very bad method < 1424538149 523302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Meaning I know enough theory to solve pretty arbitrary permutation puzzles.) < 1424538170 616386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, there's a channel for the rubik's cube on, um, probably freenode, let me check < 1424538182 374104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, freenode < 1424538185 714224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called #rubik < 1424538193 69052 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I tried to join the twistypuzzles forum < 1424538199 715104 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem kinda weird :/ < 1424538202 472740 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt like it < 1424538204 481446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, failing that, using GAP to do it for me) < 1424538210 128906 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont like new members < 1424538368 928497 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424538378 234661 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if i can solve the rubiks cube if i keep trying < 1424538390 432864 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, the closer you get to solved.. the less freedom you have to solve it < 1424538410 642496 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless it magically falls into place near the end you might as well scramble it randomly and start again < 1424538420 738277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the trick is to find combinations that affect as few cubes as possible. < 1424538452 912200 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4217732/Rubiks-Cube-finally-solved-after-26-years-by-avid-fan.html < 1424538471 647862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conjugates and commutators work pretty well. < 1424538481 291159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice news < 1424538487 629112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long-suffering wife Jean, 47, said the cube has frequently put a strain on their marriage, causing blazing rows between the pair. < 1424538491 338774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the onion < 1424538498 731748 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is reality :) < 1424538526 347426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ray Hodgkin of the governing body for Rubik's Cube competitions, the World Cube Association (WCA), said: "I think this is definitely the longest it has ever taken someone to complete a Cube. < 1424538574 586017 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs Pinky and Cubist's Thumb < 1424538604 119292 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziyeqrqrokvmipvm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424538645 361646 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-206-19.range86-187.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424538656 565013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of inspiring to me that I just have to achieve something really, really slowly to get on the news < 1424538750 629415 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TAGGED CHICKEN < 1424538841 801694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah. there's a joke about that but it doesn't work so well in English: an says he's achieved a record because he's completed a jigsaw puzzle in three years, when its packaging says [for ages] over six years < 1424538854 383927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder if we could do this with a 20 pieces puzzle (with a staggering number of 2675004047229796708138352640000 possibilities (20! placements * 4^20 orientations)) < 1424538869 688378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert 420 joke < 1424538958 925657 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's more possibilities than the Rubik's cube has.) < 1424539097 729857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, if you like permutation puzzles in general, I recommend http://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/ < 1424539123 297494 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like oscars channel on youtube < 1424539158 152077 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/user/OskarPuzzle/videos < 1424539751 605751 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another haskell: so... i want to make read for an enum based on a simple char matching. any examples that is not this oversized tree thingie? i really just need to do "x" -> Foo < 1424539800 15403 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :case str of "x" -> Foo ? < 1424539870 821757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my problem is the Read class < 1424539885 678618 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just call this something else than read < 1424539888 472141 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i understand you cannot just simply write a read function < 1424539892 994739 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay :( < 1424539894 75746 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that, but dont < 1424540214 909620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424540277 778124 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424541180 901798 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424541241 342989 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it superexponential < 1424541254 873735 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not, we should invent one where it is, because that's a very entertaining thought < 1424541381 304872 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424541408 393362 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424541697 948635 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424542075 840062 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424542404 708782 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice puzzles < 1424542531 746921 :ThisFalseReality!~ThisFalse@207.255.163.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424542551 438556 :ThisFalseReality!~ThisFalse@207.255.163.66 PART :#esoteric < 1424542735 408469 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, ThisFalseReality, this channel is not what you thought < 1424542739 653214 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1424542764 231703 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to download all (or a years' worth of logs) in a tarball or eqv? < 1424542771 841621 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all logs < 1424542791 591276 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to grep them for a language name I proposed years ago < 1424542812 616028 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the full name and I doubt any web search will let me search by part of name or regexp < 1424542833 924530 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to crawl codu or tunes but, if i have to, i guess i can < 1424543005 959849 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) PHP/5.4.36-0+deb7u3 mod_ssl/2.2.22 OpenSSL/1.0.1e Server at tunes.org Port 80" < 1424543094 452567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1424543095 636580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say !logs < 1424543098 798862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll get instructions in /notice < 1424543105 656794 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks < 1424543123 966216 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever runs tunes.org: you might want to think about upgrading your openssl < 1424543127 783665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just ask me < 1424543139 684883 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1424543170 985865 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, i like resync < 1424543173 720165 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rsync < 1424543195 369298 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424543216 444011 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot lies < 1424543283 297393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1424543319 546944 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rsync server on codu.org it seems < 1424543328 73540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1424543330 913387 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424543332 953196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have the logs up to 2014-09 < 1424543338 892533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get them to you if you want < 1424543373 70762 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be great. < 1424543387 148950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one minute < 1424543542 752075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean, three and a half minutes, approximately < 1424543604 398641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done crazy things like wget -c http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2015-02-{1,2,3}{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}{-raw,}.txt ever since the rsync server was disabled < 1424543622 518089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just keep my own logs < 1424543629 851301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for pre-2012ish stuff the codu ones are nice < 1424544849 911583 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just drank a potion of mut, and got three beneficial mutations. the RNG will punish me hard an soon... < 1424545069 633445 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424545365 250639 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424545992 674979 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: BLOCK CHICKEN < 1424546184 600040 :devdean!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424546305 900319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424546317 272415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424546770 267957 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424546834 515878 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1424546835 556954 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-09-14.txt:01:15:57: olsner: you should do that. and you should name it "Jonguilexiphonaugh" < 1424546874 63645 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't started on that project yet :) < 1424546902 886499 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I have created the git repo for it, but it is still empty < 1424546922 844789 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424546929 865941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424546933 504119 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424546935 655151 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424547412 327246 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a korean musical instrument thing < 1424547461 910439 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if you're still using it, then i won't be tempted to borrow it back, but it was really nice to recall just what it was < 1424547474 293850 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your time, btw < 1424547482 20359 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang moves slowly < 1424547511 476208 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ideas and sketches that linger in a textfile in a repo that sometimes stay there for years before i do anything with them < 1424547512 820699 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eslowang < 1424547519 429615 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1424547537 423445 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you have a use for the name that might actually materialize, feel free to take it back :) < 1424547572 337718 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i discovered that simply grepping the logs for 'good name' reveals a treasure trove, so there's no shortage < 1424547637 610480 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have a bunch of names in the aforementioned textfile, and a bunch of chronically incomplete ideas, and so forth < 1424547723 152136 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly tempted to write up this kolmogorov-ais523-counterexample-thing, but i guess i already named it EXP[L]BLARGL anyway < 1424547725 280404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely have trouble naming esolangs < 1424547758 721320 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1424547760 621711 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424547769 965313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1424547774 402483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just look at the deleted page list < 1424547776 702807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424547781 352357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entertaining titles were mostly from a few years ago < 1424547785 108780 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good idea too < 1424547814 919121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for http://esolangs.org/wiki/I_rarely_have_trouble_naming_esolangs but finds nothing < 1424547843 883539 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we seem to have blown some large holes in your "write byte #n in O(1) time" idea, btw. sorry. < 1424547857 551159 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's entirely possibly i don't understand exactly what your approach is, too < 1424547869 260881 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possible < 1424547880 269395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the idea was unfinished, so I'm not surprised that there are problems with it < 1424548596 812954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424548601 362740 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424548667 435936 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424548965 21446 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you often have trouble finding esolangs? < 1424549023 880266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Not really. < 1424549042 908118 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424549047 968428 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for instance I find brainfuck derivatives all the time" < 1424549049 277019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: As a rule it only happens if I make up a name. < 1424549055 764944 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1424549124 914975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are too many brainfuck derivatives < 1424549151 966900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are always too many bad BF derivatives < 1424549155 480748 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424549159 886813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are occasional good BF derivatives, but that's the exception rather than teh rule < 1424549160 373627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any underload variants yet, or unlambda variants, or Chef variants? < 1424549171 994398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlambda's arguably an underload variant < 1424549173 817135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't finished < 1424549253 468164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, not arguably, underload-minus-S was my starting point for it < 1424549306 883600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424549423 484477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424549432 397720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424549871 307030 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424550534 529837 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does anyone here have an ACM subscription, and if so, would you be willing to download a recent article and tell me if you think it is satirical or not? < 1424550617 299716 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2015/2/182650-in-defense-of-soundiness/abstract < 1424550618 765618 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1424550636 909023 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is a joke, the abstract is quite deadpan < 1424550653 571533 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's not a joke, i'm slightly terrified that static analysis has come to this < 1424550925 840184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: downloaded, grab it quickly from http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/a.pdf < 1424550993 162199 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for lending me your copy. i'll return it forthwith < 1424550994 579427 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424551042 779945 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought soundness would be the other way around, e.g. completely sound = excluding all impossible executions, while not saying anything about the possible ones < 1424551228 340477 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an "everything is fine because I don't know that any part of your program will execute" analysis would be completely sound, but lacking in completeness? < 1424551357 716544 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it just depends on whether you're proving that a program has problems, or that it does not < 1424551464 557080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without reading the article... program analysis is hard, which means that sound tools will produce lots of false positives, which means that programmers will be discouraged from using the tools. < 1424551566 29164 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424551580 485780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Anyway, "soundness" tends to be defined from the perspective of positive answers. So a tool is sound if, when it finds not problems, the program is correct. < 1424551631 920374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1424551678 717505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that should extend to definitive answers. But that leaves a lot of cases where all a tool can say is "I don't know, but this piece of code looks suspicious." < 1424551684 915419 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far more the adding of -y to a piece of mathematical terminology that freaks me out < 1424551724 925546 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we analyze models of programs, not programs themselves (although they are far closer to each other than, say, bridges and structural engineering calcs) < 1424551738 732307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should have a look after all < 1424552010 945146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eval" is a nice example. Either you flag every program containing eval as dangerously wrong, or you trust the programmer. < 1424552273 474965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Soundy is the new sound", well, eww. < 1424552304 759959 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"our analyzer is sound for Language-{eval}", is it so hard to just say that? < 1424552325 183048 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywa, appears to not be a joke < 1424552351 484799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm more upset about the silly name ("soundy") than about the concept as such. < 1424552413 521609 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression is that these static analysis tools make no attempt to be sound like that - they are very concerned about not having false positives, not concerned with being able to find all problems < 1424552436 567400 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :false positives ARE a pain, but < 1424552446 800784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe it's all about avoiding false positives. < 1424552574 300190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also disagree with the article where it says that we know how to model features like "eval" in principle. I don't think we can say much beyond "anything may happen", which for an analysis tool is tantamount to throwing in the towel. "Loss of precision" is just a technical phrase describing this phenomenon.) < 1424552585 88002 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, this is not *as* bad an article as I have seen in the ACM in the past < 1424552689 545570 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424552722 788083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("eval" is extreme of course. I'm a bit surprised that tools would treat it as doing nothing. For setjmp/longjmp, I guess the excuse is that people (hopefully!) only use it for exceptions, and in the case of casts, that programmers have been trained to think long and hard about them. I don't know about Java's reflection.) < 1424552813 125873 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval("literal code") is obviously easy; eval(random_string()) is obviously impossible; I imagine there are a few cases (like eval("temp %s late" % foo)) where you could pick it apart; but it's probably not used frequently enough to justify it < 1424552814 969088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and of course the performance measure for these tools is "found NNN real bugs with N false positives" rather than "missed MMM bugs". < 1424552919 986271 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs me to pieces when i see Python code like getattr(a, 'thing_' + b) < 1424552952 241874 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you've given up hope of ever running a static analyzer on it < 1424552965 612917 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I see a.thing_foo in code, I expect to be able to grep for thing_foo < 1424552979 906239 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have it, like, you know... show where it is defined < 1424552999 141021 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used, rather < 1424553025 887568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's awful. < 1424553053 855907 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eval lite" < 1424553126 6981 :devdean!~Steven@c-73-11-142-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1424553226 425482 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1424553478 582283 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I understand it, Java reflection is a bit like that - here's a string, get me the method with that name < 1424553612 932331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Or a class. < 1424553646 688616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you want to go wild, you can implement your own ClassLoader and generate bytecode on the fly. < 1424553762 493103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you know that when it's possible, it's also done. (The keyword here is "bytecode enhancer".) < 1424553791 198727 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dim memories of using one of those, once < 1424553796 17355 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in school < 1424553841 768978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another problem with Java is, things often hide behind interfaces, which are instantiated by frameworks like Spring, which means you get to browse XML files (joy!) to find what classes are actually used to implement them. < 1424553873 585249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to stay far away from that stuff. < 1424553924 572591 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_injection < 1424554032 384069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and this discussion reminded me of https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition < 1424554044 854168 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has some esotericness that could not happen intentionally < 1424554095 92731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because how could anybody make the code modular and reusable without a FizzBuzzSolutionStrategyFactory! < 1424554105 361484 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424554159 735951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424554448 837669 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424554467 507435 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424554811 574609 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes his first edit to the esowiki in, pfff, years < 1424554950 543666 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424555191 415626 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1424555290 279294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it didn't get announced in #esoteric, most wiki edits do < 1424555312 186690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it showed up on RSS though < 1424555316 816116 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor edit < 1424555324 602467 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know there was an editbot < 1424555326 793984 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen it < 1424555474 36859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is normally, but I suspect it's down right now < 1424555540 726428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's down < 1424555575 75810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is on the vacation with fungot? < 1424555913 293778 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not like that 'cabal update' gives you no progress bar < 1424555948 852713 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a spinny < 1424556002 14651 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should be carping about that in #haskell and not here, apologies < 1424556063 631050 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has caved in and is going to try writing something in Agda < 1424556076 978703 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"try" being the operative word there < 1424556133 538597 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do or do not! < 1424556229 803346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t try < 1424556230 619733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception e => IO a -> IO (Either e a) < 1424556237 326980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is try < 1424556358 376074 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1424556407 792790 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches seven zillion haskell libraries build < 1424557094 628344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches cpressey exaggerate. < 1424557139 360451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is building ghc on a ramdisk out of sheer boredom. < 1424557212 651245 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Agda is a function that maps cabal install to an electric heater < 1424558136 656726 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424558329 658889 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424558401 236848 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424558677 888071 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah! but at least it is a *total* function that maps cabal install to an electric heater < 1424558700 145200 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, it errored while I was writing an article < 1424558701 116929 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/EXPBLARGL < 1424558899 77070 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, I dunno ais523 , that might actually be relevant to you < 1424558957 775322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424558959 2552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think all brainfuck programs are valid Underload programs and vice versa. < 1424558965 602718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424558972 699385 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both have very unrestrictive grammars) < 1424558992 722984 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you like, I can clarify that < 1424559001 84688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although an Underload program beginning with ++[>+++++<-] would be pretty useless < 1424559018 121636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I mean, it's like the least important thing with the language < 1424559042 583856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to make a BF/Underload polyglot < 1424559043 874184 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently [] are reserved in Underload, so that's one thing < 1424559049 122191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using the ()! convention < 1424559055 815008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignoring the reserved characters because everyone else does < 1424559089 270610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, they're required to be balanced, but brainfuck also has that restriction < 1424559104 881984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "(" is a valid brainfuck program but not valid Underload... < 1424559115 802205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because Overload uses [] for pointers < 1424559135 567658 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, assume that if it contains only +-><[]., it's brainfuck, else it's Underload < 1424559157 832164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Underload is a derivative of a vaporware language, how's that for weird things to be derivatives of?) < 1424559171 873333 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, thus preventing the brainfuck from having any comments? < 1424559172 969674 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may exclude some Underload programs, force them to be interpreted as brainfuck -- I don't care, it matters not < 1424559181 722805 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes. < 1424559193 742248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have (or had) an Ook! derivative somewhere < 1424559196 784791 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, these are not really meant to be generated by hand < 1424559207 810939 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is essentially the target language of a TM-compiler < 1424559236 494363 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds weird but is actually a central thing in computability, innit < 1424559302 455605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one shortcoming of EXPLBARGL is that it also needs exptime to /run/ < 1424559320 159648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1424559337 129018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, dropped my keyboard < 1424559447 433108 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you saw shortcoming, I say AWESOME < 1424559451 383345 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*say < 1424559483 831495 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quips would have so much better delivery if I didn't typo so much < 1424559510 984892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked even with the typo, I think < 1424559599 40251 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, maybe < 1424559660 528650 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably very difficult to find a way to make a mapping that is hard to compute, while letting the target language itself be easy to interpret < 1424559665 974132 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not possible < 1424559679 657163 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly beyond my current reasoning capacity < 1424560072 711157 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a much simpler way to ensure it's outside of P would be to use int-e 's trick but replace "fibonacci" with "ackermann" < 1424560076 373010 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, my god < 1424560079 379846 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of ones < 1424560134 800381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using the ackermann function, you mayswell have it in a sensible base < 1424560145 567342 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :log(A(5,5)) is still huge < 1424560186 959323 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1424560201 60361 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it violate's Minsky's Maxim if you use ack < 1424560217 936411 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(said maxim being the mapping should be at most PR) < 1424560240 691667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :PR? < 1424560296 411322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, primitive recursive < 1424560364 454875 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424560562 839528 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes. although, I think that was more or less an offhand remark he made, since he was considering rather more efficient mappings, and not pathological cases like this. < 1424560604 19879 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult for me to say, "well, the mapping is total and terminating, but it's not primitive recursive, so the language isn't turing complete" < 1424561898 656557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424562513 111202 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Because of you, "hth" has entered my general vocabulary. I am not happy about this circumstance. < 1424562513 257893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424562793 518061 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know whether to read it "hopes that helps" or "happy to help" < 1424562815 661658 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424562823 786118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the meaning is more along the lines of "this sentence is slightly informative, but mostly trolling" < 1424562828 429995 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, I've always read it as "Hope this helps" < 1424562843 365287 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1424562853 720627 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles HackEgo < 1424562859 750721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1424562900 575038 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapoling < 1424562902 127838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapoling? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1424562967 521128 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, I've always assumed that to mapole something is to hit them with a maypole < 1424563003 956228 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been assuming that for the past two minutes too < 1424563006 326798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's overestimating the informativity in my expeirence :p < 1424563008 104689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that a word) < 1424563027 720083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, "expeirence" is not a word hth < 1424563032 671066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*experience < 1424563033 86811 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1424563035 903174 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1424563036 69785 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424563037 729434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. < 1424563038 949590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick ais523 trolling < 1424563040 289784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1424563040 315749 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424563056 299215 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Khelloen_! long time no see! < 1424563076 754384 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tanelle. the mapole is good all year long. it's more than a maypole! < 1424563080 135766 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boyly! < 1424563539 413982 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424564531 988382 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPBLARGL': given N, take the Nth prime number and split every 3 bits to get a brainfuck program. < 1424565076 422087 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424565285 982785 :not^v!~notnot^v@12.157.133.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424565551 471540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424565655 642271 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what is the proportion of prime numbers that yields correct brainfuck programs? < 1424565662 538996 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and terminating brainfuck programs? < 1424565688 654861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424565712 255259 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that I wish you all a good night < 1424565736 198672 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424565929 198645 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424566165 29648 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload nor http://esolangs.org/wiki/INTERCAL has been a featured page?!??! < 1424566230 428719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I think it probably ought to be < 1424566286 819278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: basically the problem is that elliott keeps making me do the featured article process, so I can't really feature languages I've had a large hand in for fear of bias accusations < 1424566307 628107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I didn't invent INTERCAL, but I am responsible for much of its recent development < 1424566311 985846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then other people should try to help too? < 1424566326 836831 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's prec prec prec prec < 1424566328 799450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate cpressey. he's a sysop and everything < 1424566341 136775 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424566368 888735 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate Linus Torvald < 1424566378 434208 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second that nomination < 1424566396 332511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully linus torvalds will go nowhere near the esolangs wiki < 1424566470 161494 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate elliott, because because something something elliott something. < 1424566472 749702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be honoured if he did, but I think he has better things to be doing < 1424566479 337460 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is it an issue of needing seven proxies so skiddies don't shit up the place, or what, elliott < 1424566484 563891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to nominate cpressey < 1424566495 479600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the last C-INTERCAL release /was/ at the request of Donald Knuth < 1424566498 557046 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like shitting o people that deserve it? ais523 < 1424566505 381084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went really fast on that one, just in case it was somehow holding up TAOCP < 1424566510 657624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: coherency helps < 1424566537 865731 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is some big wig, probably torvald gordon ramseys the tech world < 1424566555 296473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424566560 143252 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :torvald,* < 1424566574 54257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to get more coherent over time or should I just put you on ignore now < 1424566585 456576 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a bad day? < 1424566588 923855 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: I thinkg to gordonramsey is a perfectly cromulent verb. < 1424566593 528856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accepted < 1424566605 704659 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g\b// < 1424566625 253463 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :english, where everything is a verb, and an idiom < 1424566648 560525 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind seven layers of postmodernism irony, more like it < 1424566696 515266 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone invent a VCS that works on .doc files? < 1424566711 164131 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I thinkg M-Files already does it. < 1424566738 766089 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah bordel de... why must I type a g after a k?) < 1424566747 962381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Do you need such thing so much? < 1424566749 487575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the "track changes" thing built into Word but it's really bad for VCS purposes IMO < 1424566768 859434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also just put the .doc files in git or something, it'll still track versions < 1424566771 525521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Word has a diff feature < 1424566774 699685 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vcs? < 1424566781 411486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: version control system < 1424566783 555568 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: version control system. < 1424566786 696341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ben.balter.com/2015/02/06/word-diff/ < 1424566796 991921 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424566814 526571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Microsoft Word isn't really the best way to do these kind of things anyways especially use with VCS < 1424566828 896048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ^ < 1424566842 618851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, http://blog.martinfenner.org/2014/08/25/using-microsoft-word-with-git/ looks fun too < 1424567031 164165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As you work, Word Diff sits on a server (in my case Heroku), waiting for you to push your changes. When you do, it springs into action, automatically converting the Word document to Markdown after each commit:" < 1424567043 208242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out whether this is better or /even worse/ than Word's built-in diff funciton < 1424567120 6504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that Word documents can't have complex formatting at all < 1424567134 764398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn, implies that whatever task you're doing, it's one for which Word is the wrong tool < 1424567164 902940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it assumes that you're okay with diffs that ignore complex formatting things most of the time < 1424567466 156052 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or makes noobish tuples < 1424567480 565258 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(, "words") < 1424567738 840879 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then probably highlight color it to preserve it < 1424568225 359797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1424569009 242482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424569064 156744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1424569064 341883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1h 49m 11s ago: Because of you, "hth" has entered my general vocabulary. I am not happy about this circumstance. < 1424569097 141752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ c.c.c \o/ < 1424569097 473582 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | c.c.c   | < 1424569097 619815 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | c.c.c   | < 1424569097 619936 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /^\ c.c    |\ < 1424569097 620009 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ c.c   /´\ < 1424569139 77308 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1424569144 758002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily! < 1424569164 530886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: your script is still broken hth < 1424569190 327959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1424569194 866225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424569600 183229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "(24)" :: Int < 1424569601 476962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24 < 1424569604 15625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1424569846 140329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "(((((())))))" < 1424569847 526310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1424570162 768869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost written the session 63 < 1424570192 480805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll have to start using 6 bit numbers! < 1424570206 586545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1424570207 570097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1424570233 126783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one-off joke ruined by off-by-one error < 1424570254 113372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am using entirely decimal numbers in ASCII for the session numbers here anyways anyone who want to store in binary should probably use at least 16-bits though < 1424570325 185454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you are expecting to go on for a while. < 1424570354 975829 :not^v!~notnot^v@12.157.133.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424570365 629496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how long it expects to go on, but I expect 16-bits is going to be enough even if it is longer than expected. < 1424570588 16791 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hth? < 1424570597 432145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1424570602 443527 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1424570621 380203 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems wrong < 1424570676 473022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying that doesn't help? < 1424570717 301629 :not^v!~notnot^v@12.157.133.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424570720 695241 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is a hackkkkk < 1424570743 49047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1424570755 559340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1424570761 272886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is at least slow < 1424570767 465149 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 6 bits is enough to fit 0 to 63, hth < 1424570779 958249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: curses! < 1424570835 915896 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may or may not mean that your joke is still off by one, because 64 will need an extra bit < 1424570888 388332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead horse floggers anonymous is thataway ---> < 1424570902 49705 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u mad bro? < 1424570923 340280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAD LIKE HELL AND CANOT TAKE IT ANY MORE < 1424570951 596145 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should become a CTO < 1424570966 616668 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear when the servers go down, the server admins are the least of your problems < 1424570993 178988 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that story was probably a joke, it's probably not a lie < 1424570994 493059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no intention to become any kind of O < 1424571007 79724 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoC*O < 1424571056 691164 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your case it would have to be CTØ < 1424571085 941610 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or CTꙮ < 1424571096 680609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1424571097 777105 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I knew what encoding I need to see that < 1424571106 110481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1424571117 844585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: utf8 hth < 1424571134 792165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that the first unironic "u mad" in this channel < 1424571137 350827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a milestone < 1424571155 551468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now _font_ might be a bit harder. < 1424571160 278534 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already utf-8, oerjan < 1424571167 55938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is anything dulla says unironic? < 1424571175 119618 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1424571186 903247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if the answer is no then it might as well be yes < 1424571193 829581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1424571197 579645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hide absolutely everything behind irony I'm just going to take you sincerely :p < 1424571200 378530 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424571222 393468 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my oration skills are good enough for intentional irony < 1424571235 558337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuure < 1424571237 318734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: if the answer is no then it might as well be yes < 1424571241 841803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's good both in context and out of context < 1424571245 186695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1232) oerjan: if the answer is no then it might as well be yes < 1424571297 159525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: anyway if it's any consolation i cannot see the multiocular o in my client either. < 1424571307 526080 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not descriptive < 1424571318 404492 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiocular is not in my scope < 1424571323 639566 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it it a double o? < 1424571324 523592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't in mine either, despite the fact that I recently installed a font whose entire purpose is that it contains obscure Unicode < 1424571332 38354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only imagine its greatness. or check the logs. < 1424571348 601155 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or search the unicode site for it < 1424571380 391032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, i can cut and paste it into my browser, which shows it just fine. < 1424571427 965436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine still doesnt like it < 1424571467 600008 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424571481 142643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks the repository browser now that HackEgo is present again < 1424571499 686101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing of note is shachaf removing pbflistdeluxe. < 1424571558 777352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: i believe there's a separate double o character < 1424571587 671381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ꙫ < 1424571607 453058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one has upper and lower case variants < 1424571683 860343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ꙭ < 1424571684 922764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66C CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O] < 1424571717 569264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cyrillic monks had a strange relationship with eyes < 1424571788 913431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_O_(Cyrillic) is one my browser doesn't show either < 1424571920 826736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't even agree how many eyes seraphim have, I think? < 1424572223 949914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT IO < 1424572224 133846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `StateT IO' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A B. IO -> A (B, IO)' < 1424572230 487317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT s IO < 1424572230 634010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `StateT s IO' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. s -> IO (A, s)' < 1424572235 830553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT s IO a < 1424572235 976827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> IO (a, s) < 1424572270 791062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's probably more than you can draw, anyway. < 1424572582 382271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the sake of fantasy i would like you all to believe that i have irc pings hooked up to an alarm <-- works for me < 1424573190 646756 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alpdnqqwgrxiaryy JOIN :#esoteric < 1424573387 695583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424574813 469325 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: building a massive watermill complex to power your massive water pumping complex does not work when the pumps drain the very water that powers the watermills. < 1424574932 945561 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: playing dwarf fortress? < 1424574937 265895 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424574964 689253 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have watermills over dry land < 1424574979 722692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1424574992 455874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. obsidian apocalypse < 1424575014 334272 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to rethink this < 1424575068 757898 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll route a few aquifers into the cistern < 1424575245 893849 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The cistern exists because the river stops during the winter) < 1424575305 274712 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the massive water mill complex http://snag.gy/Z4QOq.jpg < 1424575513 453507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is built to provide 1000 units of power, currently providing 300, which isn't enough to move it < 1424575523 561068 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 2000 < 1424576003 232590 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the feeling this is a dwarf fortress thing < 1424576211 659676 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: yup. It is part of a plan to glass the whole panet < 1424576221 771416 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*planet < 1424576260 356981 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more fire < 1424576269 299933 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: CLARIFIED CHICKEN < 1424576273 108883 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall the blunderbuss minecart exploit < 1424576279 387265 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1424576293 257885 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the things you can do with that < 1424576331 974899 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, eventually the watermills will be self-powered when the cistern has been filled properly. < 1424576369 92039 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then I'll have lots of power available to power, well, anything I want < 1424576382 403446 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is the catapult exploit, I wonder if that works with warheads, too < 1424576419 581762 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, you honestly don't need it for catapults, stones are cheap as dirst < 1424576422 308777 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirt < 1424576441 251367 :not^v!~notnot^v@12.157.133.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424576459 319751 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh a cyclops. pull the lever of death, and pump the pumps of death! < 1424576476 339330 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424576510 151388 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently, the pumps of death are dwarfpowered. Soon, very soon, they will be water-powered. < 1424576604 766039 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be more efficient to have more pumps? < 1424576608 912654 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep the pumps < 1424576642 600176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424576777 4329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/6hG8F.jpg shown is a cyclops murdering the merchants, the entrance (currently being pumped full of water to prevent any dwarves being stupid enough to run outside), and part of aqueducts running to the power plant < 1424576810 607835 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does pressurised water still do that thing? < 1424576817 63259 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it moves faster than a game tick? < 1424576858 208031 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a great way to make sure things in the aquaduct stay in the aquaduct < 1424576869 918700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 63 < 1424576884 821300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 63: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1424577017 357978 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The merchants are leaving, porbably because their merchandise is being carried away by pressurized water < 1424577045 373524 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and because most of them have been dismembered by a cyclops < 1424577074 328530 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the dismemberment < 1424577088 775022 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how the merchants can't take the heat < 1424577091 905442 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1424577133 778895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this level20.tex? This is the one involving the rune caster < 1424577225 663243 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cyclops apparently dorwned before the magma could even getnear it < 1424577244 652865 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the merchants killed it. < 1424577503 109805 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some migrants have arrived, despite the danger" < 1424577568 851593 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rimshots ;_; < 1424577646 839967 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on guys, come right on in, never mind the drowned merchants and cyclopes... < 1424578049 978049 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424578118 840507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/Obzd2.jpg < 1424578944 432692 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424578952 320587 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424579194 124888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek anagol's recent entries has moved too fast < 1424579285 91203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it used to be more than 24 hours before? < 1424579659 264829 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424580079 460036 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424581764 149411 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424581895 468508 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424581926 404954 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424582229 259548 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424583386 548008 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424583490 599236 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1424583538 843771 :chaosagent!~quassel@98.210.97.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424583556 998491 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424584486 730523 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424584502 342902 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424585114 592253 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424585193 625946 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit, a miner was caught in a cave in, got confused by the dust, and fell into the cistern. < 1424585253 442347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the water undrinkable now < 1424585302 398487 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Hopefully we can wash the blood away after the fishermen retrieve the corpse. < 1424585305 393282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eau de dorf < 1424585363 531871 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I hate using cave ins, though it is sometimes necessary < 1424585407 124819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they now all die from waterborn disease < 1424585441 371798 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's modeled, though I could be wrong. In any case they have plenty of booze to drink < 1424585462 618113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1424585530 563765 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cistern is for the generation of energy during the winter when the river stops. < 1424585533 242048 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424585603 943648 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap, hes actually alive still. < 1424585640 336583 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he swam out! he's a good swimmer I guess < 1424585693 195229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all's well that ends well < 1424585738 426601 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with luck now I can pressurize the cistern < 1424585778 911225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus having a way to literally blast enemies to death < 1424586468 795705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is this the onion <-- possibly r/nottheonion? < 1424586498 796388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's pretty old < 1424586595 276382 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424587024 939296 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424587217 606488 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424587486 353300 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that drowning merchants is a good way to get free stuff < 1424587578 249578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your way of getting free stuff? < 1424587614 583443 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well they come every season, even if i drown them every season, so yeah < 1424587645 333893 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seal the doors and pump water into the trade depot < 1424587674 558689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like merchants should sue you if that happen a lot it will be recognized? < 1424587688 75293 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, we'll see < 1424587703 30009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they try to sue me I'll drown thelawyers < 1424587952 881463 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424587953 371180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie btw the wiki bridge isn't working either hth < 1424587953 517530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424588033 299447 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424588143 254114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote cpressey, Agda is a function that maps cabal install to an electric heater < 1424588156 120971 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1233) cpressey, Agda is a function that maps cabal install to an electric heater < 1424588191 195270 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424588319 242761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what it is? < 1424588346 297961 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.85.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424588503 609757 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alpdnqqwgrxiaryy PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Haskell would steal Agda's operator syntax. If then else is so nice there. < 1424590966 612664 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424591845 339914 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424593782 35982 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424593929 436146 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now testing to see if killing merchants over and over has any consequences < 1424594106 175367 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have started a new game, and built the depot in an area designed so I can flood it whenever I want < 1424595410 697465 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424599338 812156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424600211 953757 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424600226 660068 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote my first Agda program! < 1424600234 139744 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I typed it in from a book < 1424600251 824075 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like the 80's < 1424600463 724001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1424600537 529701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1424600564 75359 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424600594 508319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god daneb < 1424600600 995675 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I am an esowiki sysop I think, so if someone wants to bug me to slap a green checkmark on the Underload page and put an abstract on the front page,... do that < 1424600622 237476 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can it be < 1424600696 865052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Famous last words < 1424600728 252238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424600745 336199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey's, that is. < 1424600747 595142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1424600798 191496 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must've missed something < 1424600850 722185 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1424601020 63518 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oh, "famous last words", right, right < 1424601027 318608 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mediawiki we're talking about < 1424602349 995251 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdvaxwsuvkqcvtel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424602907 806079 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I did consider prime numbers, but, y'know... PRIMES is in P. can't be too careful. < 1424602949 840325 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-141-235.range86-187.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424605191 502801 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424605237 280751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that thing have such a ridiculous number of underscores in it. < 1424605248 916552 :zemhill___!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424605271 47147 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424605401 553577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the wiki bridge. Blah. I'll try to remember to fix that, though it would be easier with proper internet. < 1424606404 573589 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424606434 515765 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424607385 239608 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snuulmbbwrmdpzwa JOIN :#esoteric < 1424608680 847041 :chaosagent!~quassel@98.210.97.139 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424610408 933285 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1424611889 938971 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzt.org/ < 1424612249 122397 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jzt.xyz/worlds/village-of-jzt < 1424613259 926256 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424613459 648273 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Client Quit < 1424613586 949138 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424614017 967176 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: helliott. CAO is down :( < 1424614163 227670 :reynir!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir QUIT :Quit: brb < 1424614340 730128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: play on cdo or cszo or whatever? < 1424614346 216502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like fifty servers these days aren't there < 1424614641 343572 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't feel right, but I'm on CDO. < 1424614753 207878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdo has always been the cool server < 1424614768 126522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such hugeterm :( < 1424614784 442140 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me dehuge my term. < 1424614873 994283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whaty ou do when you do that but it definitely doesn't make your terminal any smaller :P it's fine though I can just make my font tiny < 1424615012 818816 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in 80x24 for the max width and height? < 1424615029 121157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can tell there's more than 80 columns and 24 rows to your terminal right now, right >.> < 1424615036 641143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 213x57 :p < 1424615049 190972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine though I just made my font smaller and now it fits on my screen < 1424615064 678753 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah. it goes with the terminal size. makes sense. tdh < 1424615077 493704 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my terminal to be full screen :D < 1424615173 662003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could "stty cols 80 rows 24" before running ssh I guess but that'd lead to a hell of a lot of wasted space < 1424615320 761097 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. got anted. < 1424615332 75883 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hungry and should go breakfast... < 1424615369 554400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1424615597 273087 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jkdbifcvisfmpeca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424615706 152029 :heroux!visionviru@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dcymluvkluukbvnb JOIN :#esoteric < 1424615817 486973 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424616149 998182 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snuulmbbwrmdpzwa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424617997 340805 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424618638 9499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424618639 443802 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424618645 191129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1424618645 343797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1424618741 8383 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline JOIN :#esoteric < 1424618886 403200 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what program could i use on linux to measure/grapha processes memory use? < 1424618896 340215 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424618914 257735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424618985 343701 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: breakfasting is dangerous here. a haircut happened. < 1424619004 876607 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: vanelloa. ksysguard perhaps? < 1424620795 314739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424620922 213511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424621026 289087 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424621775 993904 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424622253 561132 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424622400 90153 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424622648 684058 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424623457 801641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tic-tac-toe < 1424623457 948251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a nice game of chess? < 1424623597 112681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1424623597 298478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang < 1424623980 340788 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424624382 926750 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424624430 246609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424624436 349712 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424624541 489515 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424624554 666689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1424625207 123151 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh? < 1424625207 270169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1424625467 56957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help fresh < 1424625467 241956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh provides: freshname < 1424625470 21619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help freshname < 1424625470 167889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :freshname. Return a unique Haskell project name. < 1424625524 796250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts out with "Ha" and adds some random letter. VERY useful. < 1424625534 577854 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1424625534 724675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hanh < 1424625543 312564 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it counts up < 1424625549 84734 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its generating a fresh symbol < 1424625559 899142 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @pl @fresh < 1424625560 46047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "fresh" < 1424625567 784464 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1424625567 930968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hani < 1424625682 924444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ah. < 1424625959 611618 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program has a new bug < 1424625968 748568 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is segfaulting before it even reaches line 1 < 1424625976 855270 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what is going on ! < 1424626068 249623 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i even debug this. < 1424626291 880919 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: which language? < 1424626293 769691 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1424626293 916161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hanj < 1424626298 82342 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1424626298 228862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hank < 1424626321 143712 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1424626412 545431 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what #includes do you have? any esoteric, anormal, unusual or experimental libraries? < 1424626712 552881 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing really crazy < 1424626717 466140 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was working a second ago < 1424626720 463946 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we just changed one function < 1424626723 169940 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im totally stumped < 1424626945 903367 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what function? < 1424626956 776803 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :main < 1424626963 782743 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you include some .h that you wrote yourself? < 1424626981 735343 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424626987 721985 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which you changed less than a second ago? < 1424627424 294153 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really fascinating a weird way < 1424627432 471567 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i get to the bottom of it, but i really have no idea how < 1424627441 852707 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked at the assembly code for the prelude of main but i cant understand it < 1424627610 897189 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: can you show us what you changed in the .h ? < 1424627809 368946 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt change any headers < 1424628015 261089 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you put a putstr as the very first line of the main it's not printed out? < 1424628022 75243 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1424628025 525685 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats whats so crazy < 1424628031 428268 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a printf("\n"); < 1424628032 417639 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't be possible < 1424628060 412029 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't omit the \n to flush the output) < 1424628153 335933 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424630133 562909 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424630143 926336 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, EXPBLARGL fails < 1424630152 497333 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1424630168 105957 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's theoretically impossible cpressey - maybe focus on proving that rather than making a language? < 1424630173 207262 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler can always artificially extend the program by adding e.g. +- to the front of it, then it knows there's a shorter program < 1424630208 595447 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's not theoretically impossible, because int-e < 1424630236 765209 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn brainfuck program into integer, program is ackermann of that integer < 1424630415 738605 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has sort of raising an interesting conjecture, which is < 1424630443 572161 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the mapping from TM's to language X programs is complex, running programs in language X will also be complex < 1424630490 25291 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds perfectly intuitive, but -- no idea how one would go about proving it < 1424630511 697571 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things I have failed at this weekend: Agda < 1424630522 743591 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I agree about the 'if mapping, then running' thing < 1424630533 929241 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I realized from the idea of encrypted source code < 1424631972 197706 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424632348 703918 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: RELATIVE CHICKEN < 1424632487 537201 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe EXPBLARGL could force to try all the permutations of the program -- wouldn't work well with brainfuck because +- = -+ ... but maybe some other language < 1424632566 248358 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i think you could still inject some kind of "identity" instruction, then you know there's another permutation that also works < 1424632570 542154 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1424632578 15836 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll keep banging my head against agda < 1424632599 255035 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could help with agda maybe? < 1424632604 481729 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used it ages ago < 1424632707 816292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: did you ever figure out the Burro/Cabra type things < 1424632731 563606 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRjp4LVuo4 < 1424632732 53228 :bluckbot!~k@162.243.245.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,0You0,4Tube 「2title: Amor incondicional entre un burro y una cabra」 「2uploaded by: Univision Noticias」 「2duration: 00:01:21」 「2views: 6413」 「2likes: 67」 「2dislikes: 0」 < 1424632754 875564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1424632758 858434 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1424632759 362155 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424632760 313505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric bluckbot :bluckbot < 1424632766 13392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do I blame < 1424632781 243130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-02-17.log:07:08:01 oerjan kick bluckbot < 1424632782 580049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. happily < 1424632783 690778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1424632783 716748 NAMES :#esoteric < 1424632801 214689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one garish YouTube logo colour < 1424632818 335573 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unconditional love between a donkey and a goat < 1424632821 620544 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation < 1424633103 117251 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: define "type things" < 1424633109 887596 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burro is ok, Cabra is silly < 1424633117 922141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stronger algebraic structures < 1424633127 962099 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, like rings? Ha ha no. < 1424633160 819950 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, and elsewhere, I basically ran up against "imaginary functions" and gave up < 1424633188 607271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something about being able to do gcd on programs < 1424633192 585832 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :been meaning to add I/O to Burro and to rewrite the docs, but < 1424633203 189577 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a... what's it called < 1424633209 251116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what kinda imaginary functions < 1424633215 102711 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euclidean domain? < 1424633221 896356 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can take the derivative of a lambda term < 1424633232 308440 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a new paper about it, it's silly but neat < 1424633250 190142 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Imaginary_function < 1424633321 361635 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: given the awesome power of taking a derivative of a CFG, I dunno, this could all be very wild < 1424633419 523922 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really can't even get near rings, I don't know how one would get up to integral domains and such < 1424633451 328234 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.140 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424633464 125156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tempt me < 1424633473 443374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: do you have a link to that paper? < 1424633502 350524 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424633511 405906 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.informatik.uni-marburg.de/~pgiarrusso/papers/pldi14-ilc-author-final.pdf < 1424633520 694885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: with imaginary functions: isn't it simple enough to just to add thunk(F) where F is a function to your primitive values < 1424633525 998550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have apply send thunk(F) to F < 1424633526 864458 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get some good results speeding up code with it < 1424633530 584782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exciting, but it seems to meet your spec just fine < 1424633549 517583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: thanks < 1424633549 702033 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :applied to pure lambda calculus, it has no effect < 1424633560 276185 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its' only when you make special primitives with differentiation support < 1424633564 230409 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to spoil the ending < 1424633642 919373 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe. < 1424633684 489625 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's occurred to me but i got too sick of it to follow up on it < 1424633713 683877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in data Expr = ... | Thunk Expr | Apply Expr | ...; data Value = ... | NativeFn (Value -> Value) | Closure Env Args Expr | ThunkV Value | ...; ... eval (Apply e) = apply (eval e); eval (Thunk e) = thunk (eval e); ...; apply (ThunkV v) = v; ... thunk v | isFun v = ThunkV v | otherwise = undefined or whatever < 1424633721 52529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sorta like adding an axiom < 1424633725 583143 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you'd have a type constructor Thunk x and (apply Thunk x = x) but apply (a-real-function-value) would actually apply it < 1424633731 19009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424633762 238510 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr thinking there was some little bumpy inconsistency. but if there isn't < 1424633764 100442 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1424633809 710230 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe you could invert things, or at least pretend to, to cover "for every X there is a -X" type axioms in algebraic structures < 1424633817 984449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back into esolangs. < 1424633825 277972 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not. < 1424633844 722527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you have, like < 1424633882 379267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Unit : Set where tt : Unit; apply : forall {A} -> (Unit -> A) -> A; apply f = f tt < 1424633885 337455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Agda say < 1424633888 482712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can write < 1424633898 609887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1424633903 676758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424633911 847515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, er < 1424633913 522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind me < 1424633930 789812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably best not to think about this kind of thing in a setting with types < 1424634038 424354 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wrap my head around Agda. writing a function and writing a proof are seperate things in my head, and it wants me to moosh them together < 1424634073 466507 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write my theorem as....... a type? Of a function? Then write the proof as the body of the function? < 1424634094 336559 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof : Theorem < 1424634115 759639 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :values are proofs and types are propositions < 1424634127 3473 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda is used to prove implication < 1424634179 709212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging dr. curry-howard < 1424634269 254308 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are two very simple propositions, the < 1424634269 418112 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true proposition and the false proposition: < 1424634269 564621 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data < 1424634269 564779 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :False : Set where < 1424634269 564874 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :record True : Set where < 1424634271 757641 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial : True < 1424634274 610318 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial = _ < 1424634283 559490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1424634286 391238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one awkward way to present it < 1424634286 792802 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indent didn't get preserved :( < 1424634290 921831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data False : Set where {} < 1424634296 374304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data True : Set where { true-is-true : True } < 1424634297 34755 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign that I'm reading maybe not the best paper, huh < 1424634300 690496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be clearer than that record silliness < 1424634311 371553 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott s way is much nicer < 1424634314 172679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424634317 892262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are reasons to use the record one For Real < 1424634322 13510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get judgemental eta < 1424634327 302572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not exactly great pedagogically < 1424634366 122046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds scary < 1424634370 197286 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so in the above, "False" is not a value, it's a proposition. < 1424634388 642264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a value < 1424634392 481275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because types are values) < 1424634392 961312 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellll... it's a type but types are values.... < 1424634395 439858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :False : Set < 1424634410 515551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of haskell where all the levels are collapsed < 1424634423 466846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of values having types which have kinds it's just values have types (which are values) < 1424634436 935662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but not just any values! they have to be type-typed values. I'm helping < 1424634452 790739 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm helping" is the new "hth" < 1424634469 33231 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good thing to try is proving thinsg with lambda < 1424634473 33351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do, like, helping : if true then Nat else Bool < 1424634483 913256 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :not geetting data types involved first < 1424634485 386270 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1424634497 587298 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example, < 1424634507 934646 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorem1 : (P : Set) -> (Q : Set) -> P -> Q -> P < 1424634512 736384 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got as far as defining the Peano numbers < 1424634518 398151 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :P implies Q implies P < 1424634538 659534 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theorem2 : (P : Set) -> (Q : Set) -> P -> (P -> Q) -> Q < 1424634552 254870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorem1 : forall {P Q} -> P -> Q -> P would be even better for avoiding thinking about types < 1424634578 591373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there libraries for these things? < 1424634586 68819 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up < 1424634596 168528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if it helps at all for understanding how to write proofs as lambda terms: you use modus ponens by application < 1424634600 890304 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glad i helped! < 1424634615 679631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove Q from (P -> Q) and P, let's say we have proofs p-implies-q : P -> Q and p : P < 1424634621 367979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we have the proof p-implies-q p : Q < 1424634643 271538 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back up < 1424634656 452014 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alpdnqqwgrxiaryy QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634656 599533 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sokqvjzqxwavfmeg QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634656 842814 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hcsdpjcymirqajzu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634673 887564 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a type signature (that is to say, proposition (that is to say, theorem)) for a function called theorem1, above. < 1424634685 629405 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634687 356457 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with elliott's version < 1424634696 739876 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use my one < 1424634704 413697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1424634706 979561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use mine < 1424634711 44772 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1424634713 94299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :use elliot's < 1424634715 960188 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i understand it they're NOT that different < 1424634726 761548 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one has explicit types passed to it, is all < 1424634729 839233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same logically < 1424634738 158775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in one of them the set arguments are implicit < 1424634743 424208 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634754 474897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more natural if you're thinking of them as foralls < 1424634757 210822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from logic < 1424634760 301017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imo) < 1424634772 662119 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634805 216742 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you implement it, and why? theorem1 p q -> p ? that makes no sense < 1424634820 76337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorem1 p q = p < 1424634822 506431 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, there should be a = in there < 1424634828 931801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: think of it like < 1424634830 592558 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424634836 174408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p : P, q : Q |- P < 1424634854 23455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (p :)s giving labels to the proofs < 1424634905 171364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have a proof p of P and a proof q of Q, then we can prove P with p < 1424634908 797781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorem1 p q = p < 1424634955 214875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if we have a proof x of P -> Q and a proof y of P, then we can prove Q with modus ponens on x and y; theorem2 : forall {P Q} -> (P -> Q) -> P -> Q; theorem2 x y = x y) < 1424634988 848970 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424634992 855830 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424634998 267274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like deducing P, Q |- P except you label everything in the context < 1424635020 813415 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was trying to leave theorem1 and theorem2 undefedin so cpressey could use them for practice < 1424635035 801535 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635055 351691 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how you "practice" that < 1424635059 994824 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znpmfiiktuxzwqfx JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635063 843264 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635066 653251 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hopeless, folks. < 1424635079 366645 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, i tried. < 1424635086 433831 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejfaxffomcfveuvl JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635117 750219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just think of "theorem1 p q" as syntax for "by theorem1, using p and q as the assumptions P and Q", so that's giving a definition for how the proof works < 1424635149 367773 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1424635165 521354 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked up 'learn you an agda' it seems way more difficult than things need to be < 1424635179 656579 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well, it's only 2 pages, and the 2nd one is under construction < 1424635181 116605 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 2011 < 1424635183 637587 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can ignore it < 1424635187 83224 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write a much simpler tutoral < 1424635191 690549 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is easier to learn from < 1424635224 968992 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem, one problem, is that modus ponens has a conjunction in it, doesn't it? if p -> q, and if p, then q < 1424635238 727341 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there are too many "ifs" in my description but < 1424635245 716103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yes it's using currying < 1424635251 644932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if p -> q, then if p, then q" < 1424635264 779111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use conjunction if you want though < 1424635267 815602 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtqnacotoazodhrk QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424635272 334146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that involves data types :P < 1424635280 10927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of propositional logic with just -> as the connector < 1424635300 393376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the metalogical deduction rule "if you have a proof of (P -> Q) and you have a proof of P, then you have a proof of Q" < 1424635331 502834 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635337 59392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have that rule in agda, and we write it syntactically by putting the proof of (P -> Q) and the proof of P adjacent: proof-of-imp proof-of-P is a proof of Q < 1424635339 909551 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635344 874791 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wtrcdhvqtsnhygyh JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635457 625157 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f : P -> Q (f is a proof that P implies Q) < 1424635463 122811 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x : P (x proves P) < 1424635471 998666 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :then f x : Q (f of x proves Q) < 1424635546 487008 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycmayyspsocptts JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635551 261144 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to look for a different proof system. this one sucks. < 1424635558 686828 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Coq ! < 1424635561 236940 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much better < 1424635568 901073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1424635570 56173 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you still want dependent types < 1424635587 736975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and then he gets to learn "match" < 1424635612 415554 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nightmare! < 1424635664 901779 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424635766 627323 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424635794 860397 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://at.metamath.org/index.html < 1424635796 378326 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT < 1424636347 466224 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rainbow colouring and serif font do kind of scream "1999", i admit < 1424636408 10053 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycmayyspsocptts QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424636692 903185 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424637019 775572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck reading metamath proofs in their source form < 1424637264 842531 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like forth with lots of $'s < 1424637402 940896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION screams < 1424637453 196116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading proofs and the typesetter "corrected" "well-founded" to "well founded". < 1424637488 964663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so now we have a well founded relation. great.) < 1424637690 553554 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a horror story once about a publisher "correcting" "homeomorphism" to "homomorphism" (in a paper which also contained instances of "homomorphism") < 1424637709 194457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424637777 970142 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs and tries the other paper, the one that doesn't define True as a record type < 1424637859 672282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a record type? Why? < 1424637864 265533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another ... fun ... thing is that we use \mathsf{} in our paper. The computer modern scripts all have the same x-height and work well together. With the publisher's font the sans-serif characters look *big*) < 1424637867 231932 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would one define True with a record type? < 1424637915 905095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm more upset about having to go through everything word by word because I expect some more nasty surprises. < 1424637930 514260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least we have no homeomorphisms.) < 1424638031 761511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also changed non-variable (meaning: not a variable) to nonvariable. Isn't that great... < 1424638064 922754 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: to avoid elliott 's true-is-true thing, see above < 1424638166 50135 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do hope it's a well founded nonvariable < 1424638425 123626 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1424638724 373916 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is the same paper < 1424638940 515244 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xionidkxrigmfcwc JOIN :#esoteric < 1424638992 605799 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424639167 595359 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'll look in the logs < 1424639430 604307 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424639432 831757 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho http://oxij.org/note/BrutalDepTypes/ < 1424639760 289092 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Like The Name ;D < 1424639788 260113 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, i like it < 1424639828 696550 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much clearer descriptions of some things < 1424639898 604336 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424639917 602604 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424640280 188851 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424641063 820576 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs me that -> is more like punctuation than a function constructor in this thing < 1424641377 871521 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :X -> Y could be thought of a syntactic sugar for (_ : X) -> Y < 1424641380 65634 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424641382 314374 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424641543 514509 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there's no way. i'm too old for this. < 1424641989 457879 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although it would be really cool to use metamath to prove properties of functions *starting from ZFC* < 1424642019 734094 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the obvious thing for me to do is write my own proof-checking language instead < 1424642028 147342 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fun! < 1424642376 179795 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424642412 464230 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, strangely, easier than learning Agda. < 1424642541 736346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think it'd be easy, but then, if you want to create a new esolang, I won't stop you in this channel. < 1424643159 159635 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, i have had some ideas about one for a long time, but never went as far as implementing them. also, nb: proof-checker, not theorem-prover < 1424643401 579373 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a checker for metamath in 300-odd lines of Python, so it can't be ridiculously hard. < 1424644114 585743 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.127.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424644453 346981 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424644522 441692 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I ask for my messages again? < 1424644536 783760 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that. Thanks. < 1424644728 363798 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1424644728 510784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haok < 1424644751 541884 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massage-loud < 1424644751 688380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1424644810 967746 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to record a message for someone? < 1424644854 348134 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AndoDaan like this < 1424644854 494768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424644890 144494 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand. Thanks. I wish I had a better memory. Or more discipline to keep a cheat-sheet. < 1424644965 588367 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424644977 594861 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman I actually took a look at the p section of FMNSSun a few days ago. And I'm thinking p~ still might be a little too complex for me atm. < 1424644977 742125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424645147 576876 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424646069 377302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki gateway should be up now. < 1424646317 582834 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424646719 85359 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1424646869 639738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that puts esowiki edit info on the channel. < 1424646893 66310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the [wiki] things. < 1424646922 351144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was allegedly down.) < 1424646949 619285 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thought it was something new < 1424647191 677244 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1424647302 510694 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424647439 934093 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424647636 493312 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424647711 305235 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424647718 383214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424647720 589617 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1424647896 517593 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424649879 429939 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424650333 115701 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1424650509 559356 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424650763 557538 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424651993 225915 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424654321 276952 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424654334 136746 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hullo. < 1424654487 231549 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424654572 602958 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424654768 580803 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made gcc produce 400 lines of error mesages with a 3 line file < 1424654773 120487 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :canyou beat that? < 1424654777 82699 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :448 < 1424654818 175384 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc compiles c code? < 1424654825 243528 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries < 1424654905 55324 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you aiming for 400+? < 1424654912 935493 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just a happy accident? < 1424654913 227234 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1424654931 863778 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://tgceec.tumblr.com/post/74534916370/results-of-the-grand-c-error-explosion < 1424654959 670654 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Dthanks < 1424655036 976897 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. There's a place for ppl like you, vanila. You belong. < 1424655046 3043 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1424655164 890577 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 14490 now < 1424655188 875446 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424655223 634876 :simpleirc1!~lamefreak@103.5.134.182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424655240 775801 :simpleirc1!~lamefreak@103.5.134.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1424655261 792300 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1424655315 70051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EXPBLARGL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42004&oldid=42003 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (-11) 10Fixed "a language a language" typo. < 1424655365 625396 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :647976 lines of errors from 2 lines of code < 1424655388 412407 :simpleirc1!~lamefreak@103.5.134.182 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424655661 381374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424656225 617577 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424656489 196085 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424656988 257071 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.180 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424658061 474642 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1424661445 943688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a lot, but, how long is each line and each error message? < 1424662208 101800 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424662291 604699 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424662568 818901 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424662795 164218 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdlddcpsskwuarqd JOIN :#esoteric < 1424663616 230651 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424663867 544008 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424664263 374963 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424666268 399292 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424666287 777853 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1424666389 109409 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424666477 605211 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424666559 743033 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424667361 963926 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424667525 365629 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424667538 601921 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424667544 457830 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayy < 1424667586 667667 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424667750 451293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42005 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+4023) 10Created page with "'''Clip''' is a functional language designed for both elegance and brevity. It was inspired by CJam, Lisp, Iota, and Pyth, in that order. ==Basics== ===Functions and supplier..." < 1424668655 657766 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424668777 71564 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you guys were saying something about interplanetary ping, and such? < 1424668787 447808 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back < 1424668846 136381 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the guys behind ipfs hope to be solution for that in the future, via cache local friendliness, merkle dag based file addressing < 1424670070 604629 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424670167 603201 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424670527 294234 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424670616 237183 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424671372 420932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1424673263 113626 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424673442 288007 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424673674 265387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424674556 862237 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424676040 53800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @fresh < 1424676040 238377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "fresh" < 1424676053 293373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1424676086 341745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @@ doesn't actually have access to all commands < 1424676113 230775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one seems like it could be useful in @@, too < 1424676685 295150 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424677947 600863 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1424678032 919128 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424678089 515761 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424678217 600967 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424680431 116185 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1424683017 613855 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424683040 332106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :always those extended cliff-hangers. http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2015-02-23 < 1424683217 602937 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424683256 80436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: early GG btw < 1424683935 603965 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424684136 22835 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424684142 602263 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424684395 365093 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424685454 308064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424685542 703246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've closed my anagol tabs, it < 1424685578 441002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s begun to do that same annoying thing that got me to stop following the godel's letter blog < 1424685622 618113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, at least with recent activity level, it has a recent entries list which cuts off after far less than a day < 1424685690 126773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was far more interested in the blog, back then, but when it got to the point where i was checking rss last thing before going to bed _and_ first thing when getting up, i called it enough.) < 1424685701 941774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, and _still_ lost comments, < 1424685750 927149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had only a 10 comment buffer < 1424685794 360247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the admins ignored my pointing out the problem. < 1424686141 604380 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424686142 194666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last friday's xkcd was really good, especially the hover text < 1424686215 604472 :NotSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424686217 602391 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424686270 914770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :souls going missing < 1424686392 602311 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424686754 536291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm could it be that martellus is the apprentice? he's "good" with animals and i recall violetta saying he also did things with bears. < 1424686789 581408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative would seem to be volkerstorfer < 1424686844 311131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's good with magnets instead < 1424686862 335902 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424687083 854415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it explicitly addresses martellus as apprentice < 1424687360 265120 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424688677 853082 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424689300 99346 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424689345 344278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424690342 340493 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424690382 123027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan yes I've noticed the recent activity cutoff on anagol as well. So I tend to just check the current problems for changes < 1424690382 269493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424691264 594457 :NotSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424691728 163202 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424692297 608813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EXPBLARGL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42006&oldid=42004 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-1) 10Fixed "estoteric" typo. < 1424692619 614800 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424692674 603080 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424692674 791152 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424694058 585601 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PERIODIC CHICKEN < 1424694700 475314 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-21-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424695343 349319 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424695888 811732 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-21-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424696760 973101 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424697064 380375 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424697467 453931 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424698127 950873 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1424699104 818095 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424700724 602388 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424701095 819457 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1424701101 26933 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424701125 340174 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it going < 1424701162 58247 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad, I woke up and so far not much is happening,. < 1424701174 166240 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might implement a language < 1424701196 743825 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. < 1424701569 182609 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you should implement When < 1424701717 347101 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, genetically engineer an ostritch size bird with parrot-like intelligence and vocalization skill. < 1424701816 719596 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're genetically engineering birds, we may as well go all-out. < 1424701839 896150 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetically-engineer an ostrich size bird to have sauroid raptor-like claws and human intelligence. < 1424701873 242600 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd stick with parrot-like and see where that goes. < 1424701876 770084 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424701883 745501 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puss. < 1424701901 73879 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was too smart, I'd know it'd be easy to negotiate with rationally. < 1424701924 881552 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if parrots flip out as easily when they can build stuff with ahnds isntead of pecking and clawing madly. < 1424701929 407868 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hands < 1424702007 397688 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other birds might be even ebtter at sound mimmicry, though, so I might try to give them that. < 1424702027 164637 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like whatever it is that can mimmic camera shutter noise. < 1424702615 857551 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyrebird maybe? < 1424703213 745266 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one. < 1424703764 854101 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424704735 370934 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424704918 334601 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1424705098 173981 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you're dealing with total functions, btw, some of the "shoehorn this into an algebraic structure" problems become a lot simpler < 1424705112 478311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't burro sub-TC anyway < 1424705131 429075 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro is TC. potro is... not. < 1424705140 880584 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, s/potro/cabra/ < 1424705144 489193 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, is burro related to that video i linked < 1424705146 766022 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :potro was the one I was looking for < 1424705169 695246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC would be nice/fun but annoying < 1424705175 559485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably starting with something sub-TC to figure out how it'd all even work is best < 1424705178 781770 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: i don't generally watch videos, so, i don't know < 1424705234 842608 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cabra was the result of trying to cram something TC into a ring, weakening the ring axioms and getting a dioid, which works, but is relatively boring b/c dioids are not uncommon < 1424705259 771146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you just say cabra wasn't tc < 1424705263 672843 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :could go the other way, "weaken" TC into... that < 1424705269 702126 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, well, tbh i don't remember < 1424705274 519888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1424705281 897994 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember what "potro" is spanish for anymore < 1424705295 142011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does max on cabra programs actually do < 1424705297 327545 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :pony, i think < 1424705311 727046 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :max takes the one which... ran longer, i think < 1424705316 42785 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and discards the other < 1424705319 698408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :butter, goat, foal apparently < 1424705324 777681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think butter is an animal < 1424705325 765103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424705330 819846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was google translate guessing diferent languages, heh < 1424705341 605217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay donkey, goat, foal, that's much more boring < 1424705358 727880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please officially declare that burro's name is to be read in italian < 1424705370 63247 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :#whywhatdoesitmeaninitalian < 1424705376 406888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:28:39 butter, goat, foal apparently < 1424705377 366584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :butter < 1424705384 945426 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1424705452 378224 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember once someone emailed me about cabra, complaining that it... abstracted to computations, but then cast it all in concrete terms of execution steps < 1424705481 93289 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, ok, that's a fair criticism, if that's the sort of thing you care about, i suppose < 1424705493 537121 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i get the feeling like i'm shouting into a paper bag < 1424705504 813285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand that criticism < 1424705590 769471 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow I never markdown-ized the cabra docs < 1424705601 825052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was reading html docs yesterday < 1424705601 971595 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, they have, like, superscripts and stuff in them < 1424705603 156539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro's too < 1424705609 255165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was lots of Fun < 1424705617 925935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just use in markdown, better than nothing < 1424705636 235570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "reading html" I mean the html source, on github. < 1424705693 250772 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://rawgit.com/catseye/Cabra/master/doc/cabra.html < 1424705707 322633 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :rawgit is good for reading HTML files on github < 1424705727 834650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way I can remember that by the next time I need it < 1424705738 260372 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for this restricted subset of js? http://patriciopalladino.com/blog/2012/08/09/non-alphanumeric-javascript.html < 1424705746 129289 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an esowiki page for it? < 1424705750 401848 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424705803 274217 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsfuck < 1424705821 995345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Gamemanj 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:BytePusherGamemanjConsoleTest.png10]]": A picture of the "Console Test" program for BytePusher. < 1424705824 355137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabra seems a bit close to the kind of cheating you ruled out for burro < 1424705830 391356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("just do pointwise operations on the results or whatever") < 1424705842 38203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess * and + are different. < 1424705942 317949 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as for the criticism, i'm pretty sure it was mostly a matter of someone not expecting to see the word "cycles" in the description of an abstract language) < 1424705961 870578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424705966 509058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess your quotienting is quite weak, in effect < 1424705970 959196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42008&oldid=40701 5* 03Gamemanj 5* (+453) 10/* Programs */ Added a new program("Console Test") < 1424705971 795822 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just do pointwise..." not sure i understand < 1424705974 296994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're exposing cycles rather than just taking functional extensionality or whatever < 1424705979 553141 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that < 1424705987 316764 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensionality, good word < 1424705999 59186 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, i really couldn't think of any other way to do it, mainly < 1424706018 466527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/catseye/Chrysoberyl/blob/master/data/ideas.yaml#L540 okay yeah, this thing < 1424706023 682642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really like that though after reading more < 1424706039 79400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensionality is a nice concept < 1424706213 138284 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could do max by running the two programs "concurrently" and selecting the one that made a "larger" result, regardless of its runtime (like, it wrote more symbols to its tape?) < 1424706229 993413 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smth. haven't thought about this in ages < 1424706261 471823 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that Potro idea-entry explains why it's even tricky if the functions are total < 1424706266 553368 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminating, that is < 1424706290 332796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with extensionality the most you can do is pointwise < 1424706292 690597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1424706299 253490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Swearjure14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42009 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+842) 10Creation < 1424706310 373694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like max of p and q is the program x |-> p(x) max q(x) < 1424706396 784175 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you, and i'm sure it has implications that i can barely intuit < 1424706407 906375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it's a boring observation < 1424706417 364784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not like formally true probably you could come up with other weird operations that work < 1424706420 733877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might not be computable though < 1424706425 706858 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com QUIT : < 1424706433 751563 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that'd be fun, though < 1424706475 107545 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i had other ideas of other things to do but i keep getting distracted < 1424706506 857268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1424706516 281373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably define a TC ring programming language where the ring operations just aren't computable < 1424706521 836196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very exciting. < 1424706604 274546 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424706961 128557 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes some visuals in IBNIZ: dd80/s^1%?vv:vvq;^^1@-d1! < 1424707357 578473 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, sometime last year, I stuffed crippled regular expressions into a ring < 1424707409 119135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Cluid Zhasulelm14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42010&oldid=41552 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+174) 10 < 1424707409 719662 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :crippled meaning, there's alternation and concatenation but no asteration < 1424707414 850148 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's pretty weak < 1424707422 20159 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424707572 987226 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrived, too < 1424708170 105899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/zxbyo6BU < 1424708173 498054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty trivial I guess < 1424708180 157439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be hard to guess what does what < 1424708199 211954 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424708416 775544 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is it written in? < 1424708492 705500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new language I just made up the last half hour < 1424708505 658422 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats unique about it? < 1424708535 486330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got blackjack and hookers < 1424708540 674625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing much < 1424708548 853905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a very, very simple language < 1424708909 135848 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the blackjack and hookers :( < 1424708939 608361 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't SEE the blackjack and hookers. You just have to EXPERIENCE the blackjack and hookers. < 1424708949 401580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1424708963 294295 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.80.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424708984 224649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's essentially just a stripped down imperative programming language < 1424708985 502036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it. < 1424708994 350006 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the hookers strip? < 1424709025 777378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you pay them for < 1424709258 299474 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424709285 185204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if we stopped being gross < 1424709322 809038 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOGERS < 1424709393 718177 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be nice to have a language based on symbols other than ascii < 1424709413 417736 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make an editor in javascript so pepole can use it from a webpage < 1424709458 598275 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an elvish language with no example code recently.. and an arabic lisp < 1424709469 987335 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's those picture based languages (colored pixels) < 1424709486 894212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that one korean fungelike < 1424709492 850535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungeoid. whatever. *defers to cpressey* < 1424709507 74497 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...KlingonCode uses the Klingon alphabet, but there's no example programs... < 1424709507 894713 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah! things like that < 1424709556 600893 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/aheui/ < 1424709570 176142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by defer I mean as to whether it's fungelike or fungeoid < 1424709576 230295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lifthrasiir's I think? < 1424709580 980172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh RingCode. RingCode seems to be more focussed on syntax than semantics. < 1424709591 162368 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly mine, but related. < 1424709601 920434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sibling's? :p < 1424709605 418760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: UniCode. < 1424709607 279349 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i feel like it should be "fungeistic". tomorrow i will feel differently < 1424709617 493115 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for deferring to me < 1424709636 701684 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually just impressed by the number of implementations of aheui < 1424709638 777549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ;_; < 1424709666 345477 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, they're all by the same account, so maybe that person is just good at implementing aheui. < 1424709693 317934 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless there's others not on the github page?) < 1424709712 953204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Sclipting. < 1424709713 551222 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, look at people tab. < 1424709725 874424 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: that's an organization account, there are like 8 or more members < 1424709739 999283 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarus language has a nice set of symbols, though there's also an ASCII representation. < 1424709742 904524 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey:Ah, I see :) < 1424709811 809312 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you don't happen to have a copy of the Udage spec, do you? :) < 1424709822 556585 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also exactly seven of them, plus spaces. So I would encode each character as a single hex digit with one bit used for parity. < 1424709825 213271 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure? < 1424709831 497536 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should look at the backlog < 1424709834 753687 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find it out < 1424709908 367658 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :wayback machine didn't archive it when its site went down, and the wiki article is only partial: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Udage ... there is an implementation, so a spec could be reverse-engineered, sort of, if the spec is really gone < 1424709943 834489 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a implementation, but no spec, all that can really be done is to let the implementation take precedence. < 1424709982 938253 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just hope the implementation doesn't have bugs that get written into the replacement spec.) < 1424709989 423391 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :except where the implementation is "obviously" approximating things :) < 1424710059 282428 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a esoteric language, obviously approximating is hard to define. < 1424710115 621606 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If brainf*** was only defined by the implementation the old "cheating quine" would still be valid. < 1424710299 917950 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping gamemanj < 1424710309 16831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess things like 'the ultimate machine' or whatever < 1424710319 118438 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you build a physical system that marbles fall etc.. < 1424710326 521633 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oops, forgot the /. < 1424710352 289085 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was called "The Incredible machine" < 1424710352 984303 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1424710377 138039 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, you can still define specs for marble-based computing. < 1424710391 947213 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1424710392 93788 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424710405 384929 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need to define the "instruction set", in whatever form. < 1424710414 466964 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, you got the Marble Madness music stuck in my head. < 1424710455 302296 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424710732 516711 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10.5 -- Are we there yet? < 1424710839 288771 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.80.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424710893 956263 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424711105 250244 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424711691 43358 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.21.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424712012 393849 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xionidkxrigmfcwc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424712347 398552 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424712385 684700 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1424713449 136604 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424714513 255267 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424714534 942102 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424714814 551005 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424715505 234727 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://akira.ruc.dk/~madsr/webpub/absint.pdf < 1424715525 333976 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :could anyone help me understand page 8/9 of this please? < 1424715562 592433 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what E[[ a_i(e_1, ..., e_k) ]] phi nu = strict basic_i < ... > means < 1424715592 605435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424715613 919527 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a_i basically? < 1424715618 209643 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, abstract interpretation < 1424715706 757860 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, i don't know if i can help < 1424715729 45701 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be guessing < 1424715863 231009 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: see page 34 < 1424715872 562106 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"basic operations" < 1424715898 309468 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1424715904 397647 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be stuff like + I guess, which is trict < 1424715908 375913 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1424715914 107556 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no proble < 1424715915 398520 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1424715930 473950 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have made sense for them to put all that before using it... < 1424715936 247426 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1424716061 370132 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424716672 143288 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm :| < 1424716678 878835 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is about strictness analysis < 1424716684 593021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they give examples of strict functions < 1424716692 578309 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think there is any such thing as a non-strict function in this language < 1424716700 503291 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :except one ones that ignore their arguments completely < 1424716856 33240 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might try actually reading it at some point. < 1424716870 650307 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, ttyl < 1424716873 249335 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424716881 250110 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1424717815 425427 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there non trivial thing is not 'is this function strict' but 'is there any way for this function to return a value given these inputs' < 1424717831 312507 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :modalities of inputs < 1424718873 938221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42011&oldid=42005 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1853) 10 < 1424719240 582186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424719743 241200 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah hah. that syntax reminds me of ANSI sequences. < 1424719756 723858 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ANSI.SYS anyway. < 1424720035 321227 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424720043 723409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424720045 714843 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424720273 375851 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424720284 160144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424720285 657053 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424721754 237877 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424721853 549060 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i cannot find anythig about it: will haskell automatically make Directory/File.hs into something importable as Directory.File? < 1424722204 850547 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what do i have to put in the module name? < 1424722544 925524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directory.File < 1424722571 374977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do i import something from a parent directory? < 1424722617 657459 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424722618 290924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not relative < 1424722622 182528 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1424722623 915744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1424722625 916463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo/Bar/Baz.hs can import Foo.Quux < 1424722637 275376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's relative from where you run GHC < 1424722643 364070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really you should be using cabal or something < 1424722649 158097 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1424723135 286187 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424724318 537608 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.167 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424724679 814352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424725592 370767 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424725876 51825 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fneeyexwhkacdxwu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424726132 942164 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424726614 959948 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424726964 489912 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424729345 840226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424729358 374626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424729361 250622 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.21.215 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424729760 994793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42012&oldid=42011 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1754) 10 < 1424731004 530683 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424731034 588790 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424731062 947793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424731064 851572 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424731093 964923 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424731172 69460 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's happening esoteric < 1424731314 53584 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBNIZ < 1424731334 445337 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think I forgot to save the thing I was making earlier. < 1424731401 371276 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBNIZ is a virtual machine designed for extremely compact low-level audiovisual programs < 1424731630 371251 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424731630 554027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424731635 586885 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424731855 258224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42013&oldid=42012 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1127) 10 < 1424732578 268832 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424732659 691268 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is. < 1424732670 634884 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is what's happening. < 1424732733 564889 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vd10000%10000!vv < 1424732733 711272 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000@@//+d10000@! < 1424732860 378944 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, make that + a ^ < 1424732907 673315 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not < 1424733272 843785 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1424733292 606143 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424733311 149412 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1424733311 296024 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424733462 837454 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424734004 926798 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424734020 493745 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424734069 263762 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424734101 210960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424734487 653292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i like the general trajectory my topology courses have followed < 1424734561 251896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start out defining general point-set topology and learning all these insane counterexamples to every property you encounter < 1424734582 520742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time you get to homology, you assume everything is a CW complex < 1424734582 914059 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424734715 339898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424734726 419271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424734781 25467 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424734857 916710 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424735288 21466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424735296 291806 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424735310 289983 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1424735310 436805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424735333 123517 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? Phantom_Hoover < 1424735773 844852 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424735799 249047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424735881 90061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1424735881 643283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 12h 54m 49s ago: only occasionally, mostly to search for my name < 1424735881 643413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 12h 38m 18s ago: yes I've noticed the recent activity cutoff on anagol as well. So I tend to just check the current problems for changes < 1424735888 532845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1424736176 334060 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424736324 556433 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424736390 126810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EXPBLARGL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42014&oldid=42006 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+1846) 10Fix EXPBLARGL (hopefully) and add history section < 1424736479 125671 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424737108 543377 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo! go FTP! :D < 1424737205 450446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes boily is referring to what he thinks and not the file transfer protocol < 1424737216 331640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't even answer the poll < 1424737284 666588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confirms with reddit < 1424737454 303301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even the poll answer too. and yes I was mentioning the FTP, not FTP. < 1424737468 711295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1424737498 844810 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1424737499 277702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 240000Z 24008KT 15SM FEW240 M21/M29 A3034 RMK CI1 CI TR SLP277 < 1424737535 676762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List is going to be a real mess. < 1424737566 624351 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? we've got the AMP, the FTP, Stackage with LTS. we live in good times! < 1424737575 189368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAT < 1424737583 430397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good acronymical times) < 1424737611 433809 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YMTS GTLAT. < 1424737639 732829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may think so, good times ??? < 1424737646 836162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is so ugly from a distance :p < 1424737648 92465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh TLA < 1424737689 835624 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Meant To Say Good TLA Times. < 1424737695 204252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1424737702 573186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKÉ < 1424737717 709690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOUQUET < 1424737761 132372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bucket of flowers, that's the best gift < 1424737777 970038 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches “/ɛ/ is not /e/!” < 1424737813 999954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait which one of those is /ɛ/ < 1424737833 659949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure our french class even taught that properly < 1424737848 948351 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɛ/, commonly written è or ê, as in père, fête... < 1424737868 455047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but are you saying the -ET in BOUQUET is pronounced that way? < 1424737874 859222 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1424737879 460069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1424737881 539454 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bukɛ/ < 1424737912 649388 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, word end /ɛ/ and /e/ has mostly merged together in France French, resulting in endless grammatical errors. < 1424737921 192245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i should have noticed that three minutes ago when i googled bouquet < 1424737936 598912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was only looking to check the spelling < 1424737938 620230 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much confusion going on between the future and conditional, e.g. «j'aurai» and «j'aurais») < 1424737952 221137 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bokeh < 1424737970 833620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafellot. good Japanese example. < 1424737973 440244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bouquet Haram < 1424738093 703773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 's ok our class never got beyond the simplest past tense anyway < 1424738124 457514 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys of irregular verbs ^^ < 1424738196 969068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which confusingly is the _opposite_ of what french calls passé simple < 1424738246 173037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody (except poets) use the passé simple anymore, not even books. the third person plural passé simple lingered last, but went extinct. < 1424738291 497180 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all passé composé, imparfait, plus-que-parfait, and some weird subjunctive mood if you're feeling fancy. < 1424738401 448362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says the opposite < 1424738412 233923 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin wéyons. < 1424738418 992021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many students of French are surprised to find that even books for elementary-aged French children are written using the passé simple, even though it is only taught to learners of French in advanced classes." < 1424738467 953886 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“In modern spoken French, the passé simple has practically disappeared.” < 1424738506 376664 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“... which are rarely if ever used in contemporary French, even in writing.” < 1424738525 336538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about the plurals < 1424738602 434154 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the French version has «À l'écrit, en revanche, le passé simple reste extrêmement vivant et productif aux troisièmes personnes du singulier et du pluriel.» < 1424738606 184311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand corrected. < 1424738611 750357 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :passe simple? < 1424738634 454844 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulla: a French verb conjugation. < 1424738689 306660 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so both versions agree that it almost completely disappeared from oral communication, but it remains commonly written. < 1424738701 42729 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for regional variations.) < 1424738749 178027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case solved! < 1424738849 656318 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it remains the case that I need references when I use it. for me it's all imparfait and passé composé. < 1424738880 970100 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoc, are there any weird Norwegian conjugation variations? < 1424738887 946992 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otoc: on the other continent) < 1424738946 78231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the subjunctive counts as extremely archaic < 1424738996 977749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only the present subjunctive, which is identical to the infinitive, and the only use i can think of on the spot is "leve kongen" ((long) live the king) < 1424739044 37633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. «Vive le Roi». < 1424739051 866961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, norwegian verb forms are basically the same as english minus progressive and person/number < 1424739097 664767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1424739129 823566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some dialects, the past participle may get inflected for gender when _not_ used with the verb "ha" < 1424739147 440010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where "some dialects" includes nynorsk) < 1424739280 124412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian verbs aren't very complicated. although we also have irregular/strong verbs like synge/sang/sunget < 1424739343 316592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually the suffixes for "regular" verb pasts are more complicated than in english. < 1424739393 710483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-et, -dde, -te are some possibilities. < 1424739460 670713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly guessable from phonology, though. < 1424739515 539711 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should unify French and Norwegian verbs together. je mangedde. < 1424739553 340917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically -dde is used for verbs with a vowel-ending stem < 1424739594 208506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -te is used otherwise unless the result would be hard to pronounce, in which case you use -et. < 1424739652 556432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bokmål, nynorsk has -a, -dde, -te/-de or thereabouts < 1424739693 610040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -a occasionally being used in "radical" bokmål. < 1424739737 929900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :radical bokmål??? < 1424739890 274169 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424739900 903613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a kind of continuum from conservative "riksmål" through ordinary bokmål, via the mostly abandoned "samnorsk" which was an attempt to merge all the writing forms, via normal nynorsk and then to conservative "høgnorsk" < 1424739975 586668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the radical bokmål is somewhere between bokmål and samnorsk, and it's stereotypically connected to 70s communists i think. < 1424739993 82318 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sips some scotch, nods, and lightly grunts in approval while he tries to hide the vacant look in his eyes < 1424740010 195790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424740017 546566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION approves of the scotch < 1424740029 729399 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I'm not scared by the plural multiplicity of Norwegian varieties. not at all.) < 1424740045 610424 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laphroaig Quarter Cask, straight with a glass of water. < 1424740076 157735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_most_ people write bokmål, which has slipped gradually back toward the conservative after the samnorsk fiasco ended. i think. < 1424740097 400544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not very up to date to the developments in the last 20 years or so. < 1424740119 114771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear in oslo they generally speak "kebabnorsk" these days, because of all the immigrants. < 1424740213 167475 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1424740253 216895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some luck the labor party may get a muslim vice leader this year < 1424740269 450196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she did well as a government minister < 1424740373 972924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she's of course of the very liberal kind) < 1424740451 502687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to get back to ghc news < 1424741729 208370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424741736 334895 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424741840 263474 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424741862 343214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424741969 314456 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424741992 828055 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424742001 339600 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424743138 554590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I'm going to like lignification potions. trees hit hard! < 1424743169 470309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1424743171 845331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also can't move right < 1424743181 706068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go chei for synergy with potion of tree < 1424743183 963360 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424743725 576527 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424743729 696597 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424743860 466308 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424743869 533410 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424744031 244454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:About14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42015&oldid=30624 5* 03189.78.226.185 5* (+114) 10limes? < 1424744052 382021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, someone asked about the limes again < 1424744164 785605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:About14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42016&oldid=42015 5* 03Ais523 5* (+320) 10my memory of the limes < 1424744209 954154 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what limes? < 1424744226 22811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org favicon < 1424744237 420492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a picture of some limes < 1424744243 211789 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly feels very stupid. < 1424744408 505450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :limes computandi esoterici < 1424744428 206128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1424744460 424723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :limes computandus esotericus < 1424744543 724938 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the urge to do something similar to Resplicate intensifies. < 1424744554 453607 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: speaking of Resplicate, quinthellopia! < 1424744568 162798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :resplicate was nice < 1424744990 187656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be the simplest queue-that-contains-both-data-and-program language that i've seen proved TC yet < 1424745030 892778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike fueue, it doesn't contain arbitrarily complicated elements. < 1424745056 12349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it still needs arbitrarily large numbers in its elements < 1424745107 796225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've seen yet a TC queue language in which there is a strict boundary to how much data a single command can affect < 1424745116 508728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*queue-only < 1424745165 543483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bound < 1424745266 408451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could _probably_ make something that emulated a chosen CA with the ability to insert new cells < 1424745477 243406 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the probable minimum limit on the kinds of cells in a variable width CA that would make it "interesting" and/or TC? < 1424745514 519440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"variable width" is like not CA by definition < 1424745561 925887 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing :/ < 1424745607 70294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking in terms of "enough power to simulate a TM" here < 1424745617 292132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a TM? < 1424745623 857653 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please don't tell me it's a kind of lime.) < 1424745626 560704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you need only CA things + the ability to extend the type < 1424745630 586272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tape < 1424745637 178081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine hth < 1424745678 307850 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424745691 715607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424745693 88447 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424745712 319492 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right. tdh. >_>'... < 1424745721 154363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still not sure that rule 110 with all but finitely many cells 0 isn't enough < 1424745745 188559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can grow leftwards just fine < 1424745774 655888 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424745792 105247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least one glider gun is known < 1424745857 77316 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of life is very much well très TC. < 1424745869 468809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes. < 1424745897 196162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...although i wonder if anyone has found a way to make it "halt" < 1424745919 660903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, like, delete itself < 1424745953 187523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of life is, however, 2d, which is rather impractical to use as target for a queue emulation. < 1424746023 386557 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... perhaps some puffer train? I haven't seen, nor heard of any patterns outside of trivial ones that purposefully delete themselves. < 1424746039 918834 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424746043 504814 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trivial encompassing only very small about-three-live-cells patterns.) < 1424746059 392512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424746060 768021 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1424746104 495742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you could maybe run that universal constructor thing in reverse < 1424746125 585227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you'd have to be clever to make it work on itself... < 1424746143 341466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could create some glider reflectors at huge distance < 1424746150 930364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that get destroyed upon reflecting a glider < 1424746157 94441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just need a glider desynthesis that works on your TM pattern < 1424746173 396083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424746186 207449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't sound impossible < 1424746193 687997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glider desynthesase! < 1424746291 229362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if von neumann's original self-replicating CA was inspired by knowledge about dna and stuff, or if he just considered it the obvious way to do it < 1424746443 542691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This insight is all the more remarkable because it preceded the discovery of the structure of the DNA molecule by Watson and Crick, though it followed the Avery-MacLeod-McCarty experiment which identified DNA as the molecular carrier of genetic information in living organisms." < 1424746943 609917 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LAMINATED CHICKEN < 1424747301 502845 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424747879 476461 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424749843 168766 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1424749875 607721 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424750020 473681 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424750101 368274 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424750322 387053 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424750997 236282 :Magnet_Dude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424752190 970816 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424752609 277159 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.217 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 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:weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424769150 460915 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdlddcpsskwuarqd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424769668 449504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to resolve cyclic dependencies in cabal? < 1424769692 520347 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fear it will lead to an extra module ... < 1424769725 62305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does cabal have to do with it? < 1424769752 537894 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, ghc < 1424769807 524556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/separate-compilation.html#mutual-recursion < 1424769832 174717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do, in fact, need an extra file. < 1424769943 179940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think recommended practice is to reorganize your modules instead whenever possible < 1424770022 603537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think i will do that < 1424770131 833752 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424770132 195222 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am currently rewriting older stuff of myself to make stuff more exchangeable < 1424770136 58953 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was such a fool < 1424770150 552171 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424771863 456089 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-21-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424772074 741738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* 10moved [[02JSFuck10]] to [[Javascript fuck]] < 1424772115 408804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* 10moved [[02Javascript fuck10]] to [[JSFuck]] over redirect < 1424772161 879236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1424773116 602070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424773295 563555 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424774214 398796 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424774647 917234 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:X114]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42021 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+264) 10"wiki cyclic tag" test. < 1424775188 909342 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what the... what is that, exactly...? < 1424775286 806278 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the name, I'm guessing something to do with cyclic tags....Are you trying to use the wiki as a esoteric programming language??? < 1424775351 680422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it's an implementation of cyclic tag with mediawiki templates I think < 1424775629 392191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag < 1424775876 178904 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424775876 325431 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424777050 213934 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424777096 778176 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why BytePusher is so unpopular? < 1424777190 251296 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424777934 417557 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10.5 -- Are we there yet? < 1424779961 661842 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424779966 519667 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424780029 266818 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424780148 180250 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424780233 333888 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424780541 750126 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424780717 604507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424780879 738740 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-21-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424781077 626281 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BARYCENTRIC CHICKEN < 1424781955 824891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424782173 362541 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ieoiwdzqvdbqvtsv JOIN :#esoteric < 1424782951 719196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MICE14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42022&oldid=40943 5* 03Ais523 5* (-195) 10fix the spec to not trigger the spam filter; most of our spambots don't know how newlines work, apparently this page didn't either < 1424783014 866892 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that edit summary :P < 1424783043 5381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caught that one looking over past spam filter hits < 1424783059 731424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the last person to trigger it is oerjan, who (being an admin) was able to override it < 1424783124 493821 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java%27 < 1424783128 639664 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds silly and not esoteric < 1424783166 881857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not sure if the statement made there is even correct < 1424783233 379864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Java-minus-Object is still TC < 1424783241 468182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you can compile Java into it directly < 1424783256 991950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because heterogeneous lists would no longer be implementable < 1424783372 613057 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424783496 814774 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you want to look at my quine in minikanren (its a schemey prolog)? < 1424783527 994701 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/121083 < 1424783554 742659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1424783556 831320 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so long, I wonder if it can be shorter < 1424783564 39910 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :th < 1424783573 215380 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an online interpreter if you want to try it < 1424783578 962700 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can probably guess what it outputs < 1424783648 550244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1424783667 300856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on some mailing list used to have a signature along the lines of "I lost the source code to all my quines! How will I recover it from the binaries?" < 1424783837 900646 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424784297 164954 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424784627 535599 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.66.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424784833 702907 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424785309 340674 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424785329 992674 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424786234 358574 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424786640 122255 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too verbose. how about just: "can someone help me disassemble these quines?" < 1424787040 564936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. via using a compiler? < 1424787300 700611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Unfortunately I also lost the Turing Machine that could run those binaries them. ) < 1424787303 866682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ them// < 1424787482 436834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you create a turing machine quine anyway? < 1424787551 825345 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making a programming language resembling TMs. e.g. bf < 1424787906 960303 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I want to actually demonstrate a StackFlow MtG game at some point < 1424787911 830218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cards will I need? < 1424787923 257908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: b_jonas has some concerns about the construction < 1424787939 273054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, it's just the cards mentioned in the article, plus a bunch of copy effects < 1424787944 499371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some way to loop your library < 1424787961 794448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you plan to do this competitively, you'll need some way to stop your opponent winning until you can set the situation up < 1424787993 70636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a combo deck around somewhere which needs a lot of luck, but gives you perfect control of the gamestate if you're lucky enough that the combo gets set off < 1424788003 910414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be 100% impossible that you could pull it off in a tournament < 1424788020 838872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One concern a friend of mine who knows Magic better than I do raised was table space, if you need a large number of creatures < 1424788039 718600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need a large number of creatures < 1424788075 266552 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424788086 538652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the critical cards to the combo are: Noxious Ghoul; Dralnu's Crusade; Cathar's Crusade < 1424788107 10413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you need a text-changing effect, Artificial Evolution is the one mentioned in the article, but you could swap it out with anything that changes creature types < 1424788124 334308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, you need Engineered Plague or an equivalent < 1424788138 74707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Rotlung Reanimator < 1424788144 566837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's it for the cards that don't have easy substitutes < 1424788173 472811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went through the construction listed on the wiki and I have a list of needed cards, but I don't know a thing about quantities or anything I am afraid < 1424788182 294979 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.66.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424788191 90131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1424788202 891835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you need hundreds of copies of most of the cards; you can only run 4 in a deck < 1424788208 640479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you do is run a huge number of copy effects < 1424788212 318138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite of replication is a good one < 1424788214 363509 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.66.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424788218 339616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need to run library loop effects too < 1424788223 10671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you don't run out of cards < 1424788229 402779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two copies of elixir of immortality will do for that < 1424788271 5158 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424788305 828669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so basically what you actually need, if you have infinite time to set up < 1424788321 466248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all the cards listed on the wiki, plus rite of replication, plus two copies of elixir of immortality < 1424788331 670785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think you can make do with one? < 1424788338 958583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, plus enough land to get this started < 1424788353 328970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend running an infinite mana combo too < 1424788364 639105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my favourite is izzet guildmage + three copies of rite of flame, but there are tons) < 1424788434 639147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bear in mind that that construction will take a long, long time to set up < 1424788451 226041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess it'd be on the order of 1000 creature and enchantment tokens just to start the thing off < 1424788484 952775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, b_jonas is right in that the triggers for "pop" actions can stack in the wrong order < 1424788515 752596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:StackFlow14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42023&oldid=41663 5* 03Ais523 5* (+201) 10suggestions for a fix? < 1424788735 275266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only started playing Magic a couple of months ago - partially because I wanted to understand this construction - and I am not very good at it yet < 1424788764 546602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really bad reason to start Magic < 1424788789 780273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because a few of my friends play it often and it seemed fun < 1424788822 917098 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424788831 379844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun-ish but terrible value for money < 1424788848 10548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thus far avoided spending any money on it < 1424788848 194073 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424788862 921828 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424788893 266223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case, continue as you are < 1424788901 382423 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to go to a prerelease but I felt ill/anxious < 1424788905 543877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1424789571 884378 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424789695 386195 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424789706 381814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this construction has actually inspired you to start playing Magic? then esolangs are totally WORTH and have good unintended side effects! < 1424789726 440316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also because a few of my friends play it often and it seemed fun" -- aww, why do you have to ruin the illusion < 1424789763 897221 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it largely seemed fun because "Wow, this card game is TURING COMPLETE? This is exactly the sort of ridiculousness that I think I like!" < 1424790391 907395 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424790405 363685 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic? the deck shuffling one? < 1424791350 553851 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ieoiwdzqvdbqvtsv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424792451 943804 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424793850 265080 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424794643 251342 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424795578 102386 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.66.69 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424796931 716399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42024&oldid=42013 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+3222) 10 < 1424797023 248978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42025&oldid=42024 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+34) 10 < 1424797933 281500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424798098 342980 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424798122 934124 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424798195 333519 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Network ban < 1424798211 401890 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b JOIN :#esoteric < 1424798413 559126 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fneeyexwhkacdxwu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424798501 164609 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b QUIT :Client Quit < 1424798539 446419 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b JOIN :#esoteric < 1424799001 587453 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b QUIT :Quit: Network ban < 1424799020 454979 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b JOIN :#esoteric < 1424799916 848067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42026&oldid=42025 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+2632) 10 < 1424800083 738149 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424800468 191275 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424800516 251593 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424800688 879711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42027&oldid=42026 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1085) 10 < 1424800771 408816 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424801008 266101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42028&oldid=42027 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+128) 10 < 1424801061 528088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42029&oldid=42028 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+3) 10 < 1424801241 71770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks awkward fumbles on mezzacotta and notices there have been several new comics since last he checked < 1424801348 351133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424801401 116139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there were two, which appeared less than a month after the last one i remember < 1424801674 851053 :AndoDaan!~AD@188.188.66.69 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1424801700 622972 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424802191 951160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42030&oldid=41870 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-13) 10/* A colon semicolon */ Name < 1424802192 318278 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424802362 352087 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424802456 844317 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424802518 956046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42031&oldid=41918 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+495) 10/* Main table */ Deadfish in A:; < 1424802714 136662 :rsal!rsal@82.128.138.2 PART :#esoteric < 1424803841 353732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42032&oldid=42031 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+3511) 10/* Main table */ Deadfish in Burlesque, Chicken, DL, Forobj, Stackstack, StaPLe, WARP < 1424804059 106977 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yltshrwaabxjovur JOIN :#esoteric < 1424804098 942913 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaning house in case reddit might call, Oerjan? (well, that Hello World website via reddit) < 1424804128 324948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1424804207 650429 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1424804305 449195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42033&oldid=41947 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10tpyo < 1424804534 30549 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424804578 796774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42034&oldid=41977 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10/* Proposed Category:Big Five */ fix category link < 1424804957 650476 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424805074 845654 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424805289 292056 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424805773 899985 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424805805 920139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Onoz14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42035&oldid=42001 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+55) 10unsigned < 1424806370 301978 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424808221 256230 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424808307 635713 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424808327 4800 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424809465 257369 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424810199 33981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look, if I pass the right arguments to the compiler, it generates better optimized code < 1424810211 408988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is to figure out what the right arguments are < 1424810231 829553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O11 hth < 1424810237 725793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :--ignore-source-code --use-this-optimized-object-file < 1424810277 226555 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b JOIN :#esoteric < 1424810355 733195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand some of the stuff it does though < 1424810427 216726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these pointless register moves really necessary? < 1424810455 438363 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424810464 456149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are papers on this with titles like "A Genetic Algorithm approach towards compiler flag selection based on compilation and execution duration." < 1424810475 569996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1424810486 862644 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424810561 479492 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424810564 933338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, I actually stopped looking after I found the first one. I bet there are more though.) < 1424810882 840686 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424811014 628949 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424811103 559867 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424811229 787343 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424811350 777964 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.69 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424811477 200248 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424812225 736902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42036&oldid=42029 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1021) 10 < 1424813086 685435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1424815259 218872 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424815525 376368 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424815584 695937 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424815813 481990 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get out of my habit of eating business cards... < 1424815886 352561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424815937 464778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42037 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+2271) 10Created page with "==Hello world== "Hello world Self-explanatory, but note that the closing quotation mark is not needed. ==Cat== ‌ When compiled, this is expanded to: [M ] Thus, the..." < 1424816351 866484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42038&oldid=42036 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+14) 10 < 1424816408 689025 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yltshrwaabxjovur QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424817070 737848 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-21-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424817077 951749 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424817378 219136 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac76:f40f:4ac9:8f8b QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424817747 244910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424818004 159288 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1424818669 239811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FlogScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42039&oldid=37852 5* 0363.232.95.4 5* (+46) 10/* Examples from anarchy golf */ Added FlogScript quine, from http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Quine/milieu_1281794781&flog < 1424818880 220991 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424819596 557305 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424820107 873251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :^funge < 1424820111 16340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1424820262 249681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :nvd < 1424820309 392100 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424820310 858219 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424820455 730636 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb < 1424820976 725633 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424821713 943960 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1424821796 83526 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424821879 176376 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424822122 706127 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1424822125 546105 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424822516 12510 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424823973 175454 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424824119 251935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424824129 676307 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 976 < 1424824135 251848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 976: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1424824320 339390 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424824458 7132 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424825014 177126 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424825297 778134 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424825308 454525 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgello! long live the olist! < 1424825524 914095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424826042 222070 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424826052 692432 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424826110 744060 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello boily < 1424826119 991797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1424826137 323635 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, istr that doing something slightly less boring < 1424826202 12862 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner! < 1424826246 746748 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1424826315 354821 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424826516 52132 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424826707 169559 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: btw, istr? < 1424826718 960541 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall < 1424826723 306114 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1424826761 709954 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. t. < 1424826772 124721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello olsner < 1424826772 997299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ello: not found < 1424826777 271513 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello olsner < 1424826778 428847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1424826780 430645 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1424826786 219246 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi boily < 1424826787 476870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily. Hoily. < 1424826791 292327 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1424826809 172194 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there I was suspecting some elliott shenanigan... < 1424827013 559271 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424827013 741819 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424827015 147748 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424827205 606534 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1424827220 789657 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1424827220 936298 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424827220 936400 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424827496 736735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424827740 959361 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424828126 955423 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828129 66220 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828129 247332 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828129 859058 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828129 859210 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828130 457856 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828130 951632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828131 779437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828270 584276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424828287 233536 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828362 983650 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828363 130649 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828363 130751 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828363 130807 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828363 130862 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828363 130915 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828363 130968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828417 940368 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828420 582045 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828420 772694 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828421 65217 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828422 29744 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828422 694433 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828423 353674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1424828471 431933 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 605006 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 751675 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 751774 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 751831 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 751885 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 751939 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828496 751992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828663 216617 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424828814 33240 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1424828837 417190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424829203 421427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42040&oldid=42038 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+3) 10 < 1424829368 851560 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424829553 644454 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424829671 844686 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if anyone has used occult.vs < 1424829687 367573 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bz* < 1424829717 806206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Mal_ < 1424829726 885312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Mal_: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1424829728 500272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may not be the channel you're looking for, sadly >_> < 1424830040 83820 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it for? < 1424830057 681605 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1424830064 494077 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks anyway. < 1424830071 397397 :Mal_!~Android@173.209.212.152 QUIT :Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting < 1424830090 194845 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, MAl. I miss him already. < 1424830110 883501 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424830184 434341 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424830185 744931 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: a esolang based on the Ouija board. < 1424830582 58354 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424831187 114441 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trolling ouija board, where the ghost spells out “I... have... an... idea... for... a... brainfuck... der” *chucks the board out the window* < 1424831340 69923 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That could work. I'm figuring the indicator is weakly controlled by the input stream and several other hidden data streams. < 1424831420 504941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering my constant RNG abuse, I wouldn't touch that language without a 10' mapole. < 1424831461 201381 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the abuser or the abusee? < 1424831486 732950 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess abusee. < 1424831590 512285 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess all roguelike players fear good events; they always mean something very nasty is juuuust around the corner, patiently waiting for a very painful, sudden and cruel demise. < 1424831689 661058 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Climb happy monsters. < 1424831753 334616 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of soup... crawl soup? Is that roguelike game? < 1424831775 483290 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeon Soup? < 1424831786 851969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup. it's a roguelike like no others. < 1424831809 384842 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeon Crawl. < 1424831812 584880 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should yield to the temptation. you know you want it. it's for your own good. < 1424831821 446528 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1424831840 819507 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played it a bit a couple of months ago. < 1424831882 836648 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what it was exactly, but I guess it couldn't hold my interest. < 1424831960 869783 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qrwbveimwiakajxg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424832262 447691 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome kapil___ < 1424832271 891901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02kapil___: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1424832441 144984 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: APOSTOLIC CHICKEN < 1424832617 320418 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.234 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424833668 283915 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424834000 533313 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's updog? < 1424834446 186661 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424834752 354896 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424835296 412257 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424835362 277015 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424836792 184428 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424837593 933317 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1424838498 155660 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424839782 599062 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-index.github.io/sodium/ < 1424841336 658164 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424843575 304131 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utocneesgkcynxlq JOIN :#esoteric < 1424844104 464031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Randal Munroe puts a heck of a lot of effort into an incomprehendible chart < 1424845813 242644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424845869 105438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I need to get out of my habit of eating business cards... < 1424845889 450218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234) I need to get out of my habit of eating business cards... < 1424846491 313223 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Quit: bouncer maintenance < 1424846586 158382 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424846876 85733 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424846919 821432 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424846945 220579 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424847683 359972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, nice quote number < 1424849287 89855 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424849443 506355 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424849705 467285 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424853589 548627 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424856026 504994 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1424857165 357042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424857741 613838 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424857879 557065 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... i can convert [Word8] to String but not Word8 to Char? < 1424858521 253890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: toEnum . fromIntegral < 1424858687 463429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very unicode-ready to do that. < 1424859028 302663 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424859084 851570 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424859290 204467 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424859733 204646 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424859875 758092 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424859900 206186 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424860014 191361 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424861514 994959 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424861673 818126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424861737 970780 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424861765 258332 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424862903 186601 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424863203 450729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1424863584 245718 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424863985 221589 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424864063 321937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, I seem to be trying to golf an already quite short APL program < 1424864071 605114 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424864202 503978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: great, show it to nerd snipe us too < 1424864251 15098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it's the first Project Euler problem < 1424864259 807524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum of all multiples of 3 or 5 less than 1000 < 1424864275 236692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, can't you just golf that to a constant anyawy? < 1424864275 488796 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/X×∼(×3|X)∧×5|X←⍳999 is what I am up to < 1424864284 426882 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating! < 1424864288 651804 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes < 1424864438 152184 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3*333*334 + 5*199*200 - 15*66*67) `div` 2 < 1424864439 663690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 233168 < 1424864461 366007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424864486 766011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My rule of thumb is it's not cheating if I only need to change one value to make it go up to 1000000 rather than 1000 < 1424864514 811889 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e < 1424864546 792138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need to change the 233168 < 1424864547 743133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1424864572 785357 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I haven't rigorously defined my concept of what is cheating and what isn't < 1424864615 407691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I did the problem I treated it as a pen&paper problem. (With a calculator because I'm not too keen on multiplying 3-digit numbers) < 1424864632 459294 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, my notes have the result as 3*334*333/2 + 5*201*200/2 - 15*67*66/2 - 1000 < 1424864693 431641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think PE problems are deliberately designed to cause off-by-one errors one problem out of three) < 1424864697 724764 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu JOIN :#esoteric < 1424864968 906460 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424864969 53299 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424865218 903258 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424865378 893425 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424865463 604660 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424866181 267212 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424866795 232149 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424866903 997954 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SOPRANO CHICKEN < 1424867709 562198 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424868435 918156 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424869796 96267 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424870266 438313 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424870446 692146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I learnt that the field of complex numbers is isomorphic to the quotient ring R[x]/(x^2+1)R[X] < 1424870903 904820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly the fact that the complex numbers are a commutative ring loses all its mystery... < 1424872091 323271 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424873378 287771 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.239.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424873455 404099 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424873787 449873 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... how do i compile stuff in cabal in a way that error messages are actually useful? i.e. file and line number or the like < 1424874175 860899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424874225 813301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you want cabal -j1 or find the actual log files (I believe cabal prints log file locations when it fails to compile a package.) < 1424874238 72213 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling works fine < 1424874241 536738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get runtime errors < 1424874271 737213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cabal is no longer involved. it's all up to ghc and its runtime < 1424874313 686651 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i thought i could tell cabal to tell ghc to make stack traces on errors < 1424874413 49880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is limited support for getting stack traces if you compile libraries and executables with profiling information. https://wiki.haskell.org/Debugging#Stack_trace < 1424874674 886608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle defaultTimeLocale < 1424874678 507303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Locale defaultTimeLocale :: TimeLocale < 1424875036 46917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i did this and all i get is the help message of RTS < 1424875043 693802 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424875877 432861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I should've said this earlier: ask on #haskell. < 1424876208 911114 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424876552 835717 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424876579 260440 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424877045 333603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424877194 305897 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424878071 232413 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, R[x]/(x^2+1) the smallest algebraically closed extension of R. < 1424878174 37661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer R[x]/(x^2+pi), just to be contrarian. < 1424878214 50037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps that's too obviously isomorphic... < 1424878256 185616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's take R[x]/(x^2+sqrt(2) x+pi)R[x] < 1424878361 711278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg homeworld remastered < 1424878911 512992 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424879161 383824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424879262 249139 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424879702 564184 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424880268 466133 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424880656 441305 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm confused. which studies are you in? < 1424881080 263971 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424882536 649677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He studies tanebventions < 1424882544 23288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ChuChu-Spaces < 1424882565 98066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly he pretends to be british even though he's cleary finish. < 1424882574 928331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm an asshole making stuff up. < 1424882579 900835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day, sir. < 1424882599 192549 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mroman < 1424882628 905009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424882637 159712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please insert coin. < 1424882709 9302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit pricey, hmm. http://www.perthmint.com.au/1-tonne-gold-coin.aspx < 1424882764 524831 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% pure gold < 1424882776 198075 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like unpure gold to me! < 1424882821 965564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :99.99% is what it says < 1424882865 885908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's still 100g of non-gold in that "coin". < 1424882877 156984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/ < 1424882883 483775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls bin/ < 1424882886 701729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ ؟ \ WELCOME \  \  \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bf \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ complaints \ ctof \ dandd < 1424882886 848462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1424882897 337978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, they should try flipping that coin. < 1424882900 441365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aaaaaaaa < 1424882901 926232 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1424882903 949282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: aaaaaaaa: not found < 1424882904 148298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 113500 \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ lib \ MaFV \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ py.py \ quines \ quotes \ script.py \ share \ src \ test \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1424882908 981711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aaaaaaaaa < 1424882911 605405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1424882912 289005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1424882919 901588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:-D < 1424882920 776992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :-D: not found < 1424882922 145698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aaaaaaaaa 123456 < 1424882923 98336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :444444 < 1424882926 273116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D < 1424882927 165169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☺ < 1424882932 673837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat dog < 1424882933 705180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ < 1424882939 747161 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424882950 897477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`CaT < 1424882952 70039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ > fu < 1424882969 956022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat fu < 1424882995 768761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: fu: No such file or directory < 1424883002 624216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "hi" < 1424883026 961732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424883036 350527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run 'echo ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ > fu' < 1424883036 709028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424883037 198534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424883037 344906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: $'echo \341\266\240\341\266\270\341\266\234\341\265\217\342\231\245\341\265\247\342\202\222\341\265\244 > fu': command not found < 1424883042 467435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat fu < 1424883043 193591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ < 1424883605 275555 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utocneesgkcynxlq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424884586 181249 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1424885073 302503 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424887022 326005 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424887475 699497 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: I said GTG. :3 < 1424887651 356990 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424887961 435432 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcbifaqavzcjqljh JOIN :#esoteric < 1424888185 467847 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, HackEgo is weird. < 1424888243 816421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :be nice... < 1424888309 366501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424888590 912660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Entropy 5* 10New user account < 1424888889 327571 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424889001 573093 :uio!42604466@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.96.68.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424889015 738636 :uio!42604466@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.96.68.102 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424889255 915758 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all < 1424890218 159195 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fu < 1424890219 764022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ < 1424890265 728203 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice contradiction with a <3 in the middle of that... I can't decide if it's nice or only offensive < 1424890452 694575 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424891384 543811 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424891407 309794 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424891789 315365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424891820 416694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42041&oldid=42037 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (-9) 10 < 1424891833 348051 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.140 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424891905 923345 :FreeFull!~freefull@wk-31-144.guest.rdg.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1424891910 959428 :FreeFull!~freefull@wk-31-144.guest.rdg.ac.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1424891911 106409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424891916 381393 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424892385 378734 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424893728 293620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42042&oldid=42041 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+0) 10/* Fibonacci (inefficient) */ < 1424894213 779855 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG. https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/useing-youre-types-good < 1424894708 317254 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424895107 557652 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1424895622 926084 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424895925 267651 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424897006 272506 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424898644 197505 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424899108 390390 :FreeFull!~freefull@wk-31-144.guest.rdg.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1424899110 443573 :FreeFull!~freefull@wk-31-144.guest.rdg.ac.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1424899110 589882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424901164 595506 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424901746 418903 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424902522 314577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42043&oldid=42040 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+4) 10 < 1424902762 981960 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424902921 352100 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424903069 388454 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1424903149 620777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42044&oldid=42042 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (-151) 10/* Fibonacci (efficient) */ < 1424903519 325190 :naturalo1!~naturalog@5.28.189.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424903597 360410 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.64.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424903617 662739 :naturalo1!~naturalog@5.28.189.1 NICK :naturalog < 1424903669 61629 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424903977 786316 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.239.117 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424905303 560123 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1424905433 11064 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424905533 843204 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424905576 205458 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424905583 295763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome merdach < 1424905585 438377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02merdach: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1424905614 272943 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1424905624 40019 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1424905630 463842 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been welcomed < 1424905647 824873 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no going back now < 1424905651 951572 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1424905657 296853 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1424905674 413526 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1424905680 983906 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1424905701 462200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: /var/irclogs/_esoteric/201[3-9]-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1424905706 40368 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424905728 253754 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424905744 884763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what you get for saying h >_> < 1424905746 535785 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd venture the regexp asn't interpreted as expected < 1424905761 874228 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who ate my w? :( < 1424905908 532276 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424906817 615904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424907411 334513 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424908260 887553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1424908262 996590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what < 1424908266 556127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow day off work!~ < 1424908783 927394 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1424908822 359301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffering from an East Coast Endless Snow Syndrome? < 1424908948 182898 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KLGA < 1424908948 533371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KLGA 252351Z 29006KT 10SM BKN250 02/M11 A2992 RMK AO2 SLP132 4/005 T00171106 10033 20017 53024 < 1424908958 95011 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KBOS < 1424908958 581547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBOS 252354Z 29014G19KT 10SM CLR M01/M14 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP111 T10061139 10017 21006 53035 < 1424908961 536888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL < 1424908962 85025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 252352Z 07011KT 5SM -RA BR BKN006 OVC040 02/01 A2973 RMK AO2 PRESRR SLP076 CIG 004V008 P0006 60044 T00170006 10033 20017 58025 < 1424908989 184340 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KIAD < 1424908989 547647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KIAD 252352Z 00000KT 10SM BKN180 OVC220 01/M08 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP148 T00061078 10033 20000 53015 < 1424909024 622259 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1424909024 960580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 252300Z 27016G22KT 15SM DRSN FEW035 SCT050 M09/M19 A2987 RMK SC1SC3 SLP118 < 1424909030 150321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you up to then? < 1424909146 272912 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once, today was normaler than the past few weeks. just ate some pig skin salad (it tasted Vietnamese). < 1424909290 336357 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424909300 236802 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424910234 671638 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1424910235 299548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 252350Z AUTO 15003KT 9999 NCD 00/M01 Q1018 < 1424910326 975672 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424910521 12530 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#metar CYYZ < 1424910526 870572 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1424910527 286113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 260000Z 30009KT 15SM FEW030 M13/M19 A3004 RMK SC1 SC TR SLP188 < 1424910882 754405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42045&oldid=42043 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (-1) 10 < 1424911126 846563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. not freezing too much in the big T? < 1424911259 116914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1424911315 371923 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1424911317 600692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424911422 297651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S PLAY A GAME. i will not have this opportunity again until summer. < 1424911508 207980 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY. does it need a powerful machine? < 1424911509 251039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424911576 3015 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424911609 264165 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1424911614 402251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get on steam, let's find out what you have < 1424911821 336263 :boily_!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424911839 231002 :boily_!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 NICK :boilaptop < 1424911853 153912 :boilaptop!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me launch Steam from this here machine... < 1424911903 620266 :boilaptop!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? no steam? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1424911953 360483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42046&oldid=42045 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+103) 10 < 1424912095 39013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1424912191 284054 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1424912217 588837 :boilaptop!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear the last distupgrade removed it... :( < 1424912229 175219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1424912248 494071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's something i should be working on anyway < 1424912258 904257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42047&oldid=42046 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+4) 10 < 1424912273 426864 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424912284 460788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems such a waste to be productive on a snow day < 1424912389 954224 :boilaptop!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sees this computer as a new one. tout s'explique. < 1424913298 254095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424913343 608815 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424913822 193326 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424913855 611579 :chaosagent!~quassel@98.210.97.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424913874 935004 :chaosagent!~quassel@98.210.97.139 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424913892 279777 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424914101 853275 :Tritonio!~tr@bittit.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1424914590 78455 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424914655 168388 :Tritonio!~tr@bittit.info QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424915079 4174 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424916217 392882 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424916921 788448 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424917051 242809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424917391 769141 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424917809 697016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3*334*333/2 + 5*201*200/2 - 15*67*66/2 - 1000 < 1424917811 200591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 233168.0 < 1424918098 146368 :boilaptop!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PORTABLE CHICKEN < 1424918178 885199 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BISECTING CHICKEN < 1424919301 362957 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424919598 648841 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424921234 994255 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424921645 573710 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424921679 887833 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adonai? < 1424921770 57708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome irctc975 < 1424921772 639465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08irctc975: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1424921787 237389 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adonakute < 1424921811 360385 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adonakatta < 1424921876 582368 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1424921891 524126 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adonakunarimasu < 1424921892 506050 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd shit right there oren... < 1424921908 117179 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am conjugating adonai as a japanese adjective < 1424921929 297188 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424921987 446971 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't actualy understand that.. but I can read :/ < 1424921996 944072 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese adecives often end in 'ai' like mijikai (small) < 1424922007 107007 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know kuji kiri? < 1424922024 35020 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1424922111 952380 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. never heardof that before. < 1424922128 520119 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think you might know i'm outie but i'll be back < 1424922141 210439 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night :/ < 1424922145 259534 :irctc975!2ef6028b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.246.2.139 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1424922433 207540 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424922622 399556 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1424923151 206226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I fear the last distupgrade removed it... :( <-- itym disturbgrade hth < 1424923151 353213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424923525 812500 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424924580 833838 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never build a pump without an acqueduct to carry the water < 1424924595 524684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient dorf proverb < 1424924616 144064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION says that and immediately starts wondering about the metaphorical meanings < 1424924688 938178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a civilization whose proverbs were all literally correct technical recommendations but with connotations everywhere < 1424924778 768716 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you just don't realize you're actually on fire. < 1424924821 658227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that counts hth < 1424924862 178905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that they wouldn't _sound_ like they were metaphoric to us < 1424924888 312156 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1424924888 458664 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1424924995 736145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tighten a bolt with your strongest wrench; you may then be unable to loosen it again. < 1424924996 409489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42048&oldid=42047 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1121) 10 < 1424925100 277109 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always detach the gears /before/ connecting the power. < 1424925165 652353 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never construct enough magma-safe mechanisms. < 1424925236 289748 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424925444 259758 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1424925450 203228 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1424926015 378209 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh an eleven caravan! ready the lever of drowning! < 1424926044 679043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42049&oldid=42048 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+52) 10/* Constants */ < 1424926145 659495 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424926243 686485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42050&oldid=42049 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+0) 10/* Constants */ < 1424926400 330904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: if df only tracked insurance premiums, your trading policy would be so hosed... < 1424926415 242396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for all i know it might do...) < 1424926472 414542 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424926689 660107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42051&oldid=42050 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+117) 10/* Constants */ < 1424926808 213678 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424926830 859437 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424927937 428542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42052&oldid=42051 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+192) 10/* Constants */ < 1424928106 149738 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424929289 28110 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they had an economy simulation in a previous version but it was removed < 1424929662 535365 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have accidentally invented a water diode < 1424929809 989906 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put a water wheel next to a pump side-by side in a 2 space wide passage, water can flow one way but not the other < 1424929892 344988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, transistor! < 1424930090 358257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I think something like a pump, with a water-activated pressure plate? < 1424930777 866881 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424932375 219002 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find anything but useless sphalerite? What is Zinc even good for?!?!? < 1424933064 544615 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424933130 798601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um, doesn't an ordinary slope act as a water diode? < 1424933275 502655 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424933483 921130 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, because of pressure modeling, water can be pushed up a slope < 1424933582 127545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: but what if you put a long enough slope, then a pump to cover the difference? < 1424934021 950948 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but with my method the diode's pump is powered directly by the water in the channel and doesn't need external power < 1424934627 573623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424935348 700596 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1424935569 252590 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424935874 408108 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424936201 391878 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424936403 264862 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424936661 905202 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1424936662 51761 :Patashu_!Caliburn@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424938574 182753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1424938668 995777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct! < 1424939084 470104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sun here seems to agree < 1424939683 273973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle forever < 1424939684 966883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad forever :: Monad m => m a -> m b < 1424939744 544867 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424939770 263405 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424940129 860504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1424940131 654114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is < 1424940133 563818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PortNumber 10 < 1424940134 553902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :legal < 1424940135 907360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1424940143 456450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PortNumber (read "10") fucks up? < 1424940159 497701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no (Read PortNumber) < 1424940160 201988 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1424940163 123026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1424940221 134567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PortNumber :: PortNumber -> PortID < 1424940222 896900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424940232 167629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1424940242 222609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PortNumber must have a Num instance if 10 works < 1424940278 121086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning fromIntegral should fix it < 1424941598 561021 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:915a:d94d:3bc9:254d JOIN :#esoteric < 1424941668 633093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424941673 565674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpleirc < 1424941676 342118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks quite nice < 1424943826 478598 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424944092 814349 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424945998 891567 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424946402 811562 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424946523 443369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424946703 749457 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed limit reform: change all speed limits to the same number of Kim/h < 1424946769 378965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um, that doesn't work. there's a good reason why there has to be different speed limits in different places and for different vehicles. < 1424946795 579815 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean if it currently is 30 km/h change it to 30 Kim/h < 1424946798 48382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, why highways have a higher speed limit than towns < 1424946804 844044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1424946809 832957 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibimetres < 1424946811 392418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1424946815 219831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1424946848 478032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you just want to raise the speed limits < 1424946863 546753 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 2.4 percent < 1424946871 842121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens anyway, but less often (say once every two decades) and by higher amounts, as vehicles get safer < 1424946921 463661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually < 1424946925 564489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes both directions < 1424946946 526553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the town speed limit got lowered from 60 to 50 here, but the highway limit got raised form 120 to 130 < 1424946952 560869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than a decade ago now < 1424946960 767279 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad went to the expo 67 in montreal and they said they were going to have self-driving cars by the 90's but they're still not here < 1424946970 551889 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424946976 959610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think inches per milliseconds is much more american < 1424946979 353440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of this might be political in natures < 1424946992 521507 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1424947020 182253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120km/h is 1.3in/ms < 1424947021 36826 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, they should really specify rapidities in radians < 1424947085 267308 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atan2(v,c) isthe rapidity < 1424947100 629071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1424947102 144625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in/mh < 1424947103 337582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rocks < 1424947109 532062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :50km/h is 1969in/mh < 1424947132 811287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120km/h is 4724in/mh < 1424947156 420259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's not american it has "milli-" in it < 1424947157 187745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inches per millihour) < 1424947206 489126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could also use fujita classifications < 1424947211 108044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120km/h is just F1 < 1424947212 536995 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The federal rapidity limit is 9.2656693E-8 radians < 1424947231 551221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1424947234 994187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically 120 to 180 < 1424947235 791265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1424947236 415654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1424947253 719293 :Patashu_!Caliburn@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424947264 197314 :Patashu!Caliburn@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424947267 857823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lisp2d14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42053&oldid=41649 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+1212) 10permission to include fizzbuzz example granted in correspondence < 1424947383 95321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :120km/h is about 1.79 miles/.beat. < 1424947490 6986 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By federal law, you may only approach 4.02402923E-8 nines to cee! < 1424947546 884235 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 'nines to cee' is the formula -log(1-v/c) ) < 1424947547 388055 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:43: error: expected: "!!", < 1424947547 653362 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", < 1424947547 799974 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "***", "+", "++", "+++", "-", < 1424947547 800122 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "->", ".", "/", "/=", ":+", < 1424947547 800196 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":-", "::", ":::", ":=", "<",14↵… < 1424947585 403046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( !! < 1424947585 586158 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":", < 1424947585 733019 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1424947585 733159 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input < 1424947585 733234 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1424947585 734451 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1424947589 223787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( !!: < 1424947589 370678 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":", < 1424947589 517110 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1424947591 392657 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input < 1424947592 507150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( : < 1424947593 397732 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!: < 1424947595 623689 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized command: < 1424947597 325047 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1424947608 181760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :!! < 1424947608 424369 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command "!!" not permitted. < 1424947611 990296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1424947613 770278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :help < 1424947614 714793 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command "help" not permitted. < 1424947617 138338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pf < 1424947630 394225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :type 9 < 1424947630 642065 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09fromInteger 049 : 12Integer < 1424947640 937323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :info Integer < 1424947641 84112 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command "info" not permitted. < 1424947642 202109 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oДO < 1424947655 281499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 9 + 9 < 1424947655 428692 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0418 : 12Integer < 1424947664 39347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] + [2] < 1424947664 280576 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:When elaborating an application of function 09Data.Fin.+: < 1424947664 427458 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1424947664 427619 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n1) 13a < 1424947664 427698 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1424947664 427779 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Fin 13n < 1424947670 734353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] ++ [2] < 1424947670 880905 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't disambiguate name: 09Data.HVect.++, 09Prelude.List.++, 09Prelude.Strings.++, 09Data.VectType.Vect.++ < 1424947679 878715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] Prelude.List.++ [2] < 1424947680 129479 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:18:When elaborating an application of function 09Data.VectType.Vect.++: < 1424947680 275941 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1424947680 276079 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424947680 276154 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1424947680 276228 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy14↵… < 1424947692 753089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] Prelude.VectType.Vect..++ [2] < 1424947692 938011 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:28:When elaborating an application of function 09Data.VectType.Vect.++: < 1424947693 84555 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1424947693 84697 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424947693 84772 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1424947693 84846 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy14↵… < 1424947705 429272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot is just screwing with me < 1424947715 939750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] Prelude.VectType.Vect.++ [2] < 1424947716 177423 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:27:When elaborating an application of function 09Data.VectType.Vect.++: < 1424947716 323850 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1424947716 323981 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424947716 324123 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1424947716 324198 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy14↵… < 1424947720 984269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] `Prelude.VectType.Vect.++` [2] < 1424947721 131208 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:28: error: expected: "`" < 1424947721 278084 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] `Prelude.VectType.Vect.++` [2] < 1424947722 33939 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1424947725 391891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1424947730 928552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1] ++ [2] < 1424947732 256806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2] < 1424948089 532546 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris.... < 1424948323 649070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Cluid Zhasulelm14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42054&oldid=42010 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+10) 10added another cool stuff < 1424948860 416305 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a partial implementation of C preprocessor, that subs in files only if they are part of my porject < 1424948883 904895 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/or/ro < 1424948949 565883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ask ais523 (he might not have exactly that, but he might still be able to help in what you want) < 1424948993 520543 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... maybe i can write a perl script that does mostly what I want < 1424949067 574837 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'd have to complicate my makefiles < 1424949095 44831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it's not really easy to include just your files, because what files you include could depend on macros predefined by your compiler (depending on architecture) or defined in headers, but if you know you don't do conditional includes like that then it might be possible < 1424949220 631341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of you have a sequence like #ifdef windows #include file #endif then the included text will be cut out anyway, right? < 1424949363 777664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes < 1424949374 746443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: technically you can have indirect incldues, but few people use those < 1424949383 635244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably knew if you did tricks like that < 1424949975 491677 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424950376 799879 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] Data.HVect.++ [2] < 1424950377 342874 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:16:When elaborating an application of function 09Data.VectType.Vect.++: < 1424950377 583455 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1424950377 730184 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424950377 730331 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1424950377 730404 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy14↵… < 1424950388 312800 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Data.HVect.++ [1] [2] < 1424950388 830021 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Data.VectType.Vect.++: < 1424950389 73022 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable Data.HVect. < 1424950395 207669 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris sounds fun. < 1424950454 189796 :Patashu!Caliburn@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424950469 730859 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( app [1] [2] < 1424950470 393745 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:Can't disambiguate name: 04A.::, < 1424950470 636552 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04David.::, < 1424950470 782943 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04Effects.Env.::, < 1424950470 783114 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04ForeignEnv.::, < 1424950470 783249 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04Data.HVect.::, 14↵… < 1424950475 682096 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] app [2] < 1424950476 288547 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :builtin:0:0:Can't unify < 1424950476 527484 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424950476 674179 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1424950478 273608 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy < 1424950480 191314 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically:14↵… < 1424950490 676735 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellymia. David? < 1424950495 693856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1424950495 840656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7h 35m 44s ago: I fear the last distupgrade removed it... :( <-- itym disturbgrade hth < 1424950527 864422 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Data.HVect.app [1] [2] < 1424950528 461152 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable Data.HVect.app < 1424950535 941766 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Data.HVect.::app [1] [2] < 1424950536 515212 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Data.VectType.Vect.::: < 1424950536 759539 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable Data.HVect. < 1424950540 357226 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Data.HVect.:: [1] [2] < 1424950540 924534 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Data.VectType.Vect.::: < 1424950541 173004 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable Data.HVect. < 1424950546 410326 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] :: [2] < 1424950547 134680 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Data.VectType.Vect.::: < 1424950547 378934 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: 04A.::, < 1424950547 525183 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04David.::, < 1424950547 525314 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04Effects.Env.::, < 1424950547 525388 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04ForeignEnv.::, 14↵… < 1424950551 273367 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] Data.HVect.:: [2] < 1424950551 925656 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:16:When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Data.VectType.Vect.::: < 1424950552 161694 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1424950552 890986 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424950556 17542 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1424950556 879382 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy14↵… < 1424950559 130527 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [1] Data.HVect.app [2] < 1424950559 734718 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :builtin:0:0:Can't unify < 1424950560 724083 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a < 1424950562 637953 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1424950564 766878 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13argTy -> 13retTy < 1424950566 672150 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically:14↵… < 1424950585 797515 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan hellørjan. I don't think I'm used to having ubuntal disturbgrades, from having spent too much time on Arch. the consequences are unknown to me. < 1424950585 982249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424950589 115821 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\x -> \y -> x ++ y) [1] [2] < 1424950589 767395 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5: error: expected: ",", < 1424950590 127625 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":", "=>", "impossible" < 1424950590 274258 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x -> \y -> x ++ y) [1] [2] < 1424950590 274386 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1424950631 478832 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\x => \y => x ++ y) [1] [2] < 1424950632 77214 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:22:Can't disambiguate name: 09Data.HVect.++, 09Prelude.List.++, 09Prelude.Strings.++, 09Data.VectType.Vect.++ < 1424950648 387584 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( map (\x => x + 1) [1, 2, 3] < 1424950649 20076 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.Functor.map: < 1424950649 439649 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: 04A.::, < 1424950649 585954 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04David.::, < 1424950649 586086 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04Effects.Env.::, < 1424950649 586161 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04ForeignEnv.::, 14↵… < 1424950667 796305 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( map (\x => x + 1) 1 :: 2 :: 3 :: Nil < 1424950668 500875 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't disambiguate name: 04A.::, < 1424950668 647200 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04David.::, < 1424950668 793499 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04Effects.Env.::, < 1424950668 793669 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04ForeignEnv.::, < 1424950668 793806 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04Data.HVect.::, 14↵… < 1424950681 695455 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( map (\x => x + 1) 1 Data.HVect.:: 2 Data.HVect.:: 3 Data.HVect.:: Nil < 1424950682 273760 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Data.VectType.Vect.::: < 1424950682 520174 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable Data.HVect. < 1424950697 365018 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1424950697 550505 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1424950697 850010 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1424950699 874727 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(help < 1424950704 496261 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1424950704 901870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm... no. < 1424950707 62321 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :~help < 1424950721 588627 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = 3 < 1424950722 110675 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":", < 1424950722 354078 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1424950722 501453 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input < 1424950722 501584 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = 3 < 1424950722 501659 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1424950726 263133 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( x = 3 < 1424950726 753937 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to type constructor 12=: < 1424950727 134912 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable x < 1424951037 733652 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424951219 222390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily OKAY < 1424951219 406360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424951329 80517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1424951329 503259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1424951340 990113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode help < 1424951352 521848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+0070 LATIN SMALL LETTER P] < 1424951357 217672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious. < 1424951366 336767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1424951424 735006 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help unidecode < 1424951425 152850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1424951466 16201 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man unidecode < 1424951467 115017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1424951473 937174 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1424951486 903265 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary code my arse < 1424951514 303333 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man arbitrary code < 1424951515 22488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1424951901 445092 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode -h < 1424951914 431290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: multicode [options] arg \ \ Options: \ -h, --help show this help message and exit \ -x, --hexadecimal Assume arg to be hexadecimal number \ -o, --octal Assume arg to be octal number \ -b, --binary Assume arg to be binary number \ -d, --decimal Assume arg to be decimal number \ -r, --rege < 1424952113 271485 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424952180 386910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: `unidecode is a command we made ourselves. you won't find a manpage hth < 1424952190 162165 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1424952206 196598 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1424952285 289502 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-clear < 1424952285 436199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1424952289 866419 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-massages < 1424952290 13067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1424952356 313582 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least I found two more insane fonts: http://snag.gy/Y6rMM.jpg < 1424952373 74084 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424952411 46272 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. isn't the one to the left your regular terminal font? < 1424952438 265279 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that one was more cursive and had | as heart instead of o. < 1424952457 519294 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, Lymia: Idris doesn’t currently allow using qualified operators infix, and to use them prefix, there must be parens around the operator (but not the namespaces). < 1424952501 668561 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the idea of overdotting the letters instead of having capitals < 1424952516 591432 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Vect.(++) [1] [2] < 1424952516 927363 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04104, 04204] : 12Vect 042 12Integer < 1424952538 494907 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That heart font looks fun. < 1424952555 583963 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm surprised someone would make a monospace font like that though) < 1424952608 997515 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1424952611 932633 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a Japanese font, they are almost always monospace < 1424952687 557692 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Japanese text is sort of monospaced even in handwriting (they have special paper with boxes for essays and such) < 1424952789 434676 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which conveniently means you can get lots of crazy terminal fonts by searching for crazy fonts in japanese < 1424952875 157464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424952941 579181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are those two really japanese fonts? < 1424952957 923868 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one on the right isn't. the one on the left is. < 1424952965 252149 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424953005 312672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424953053 180944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently fixed an error in my terminal font < 1424953076 518881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that lowercase u with brevis and u with ring were drawn too wide, a mistake I haven't noticed before < 1424953077 632066 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s2g.jp/font/index.htm It is called S2Gらぶ < 1424953099 815846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this font (I hope it has the updated version there) => http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz < 1424953114 209255 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424953140 927590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's my font so it was easy to fix < 1424953161 708995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was worth to make my own rather than try to switch all the time after I find each other terminal font sucks < 1424953183 319920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a bitmap font so it was easy to draw, much easier than graymap fonts generated from vector fonts) < 1424953264 249908 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424953275 175227 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EPHEMERAL CHICKEN < 1424953408 904664 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the font (in a bullshit adhoc format) which I used in one of my games: http://postimg.org/image/tjxgpkkj5/ < 1424953761 698595 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ommitting distinction between identical characters makes it easy to have greek, cyrillic and latin. < 1424953792 602838 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424953829 850714 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424953939 637531 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424954445 458157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1424954660 209202 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424954901 391219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayyum. < 1424954960 24100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that looks nice < 1424955010 927002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: why are the digits 4 and 5 and a few other chars partly gray instead of black and white < 1424955063 252234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: hmm, those greek letters are in a strange order < 1424955063 398847 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1424955068 229814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hReady returns IO Bool < 1424955069 282482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a mapping table to this? < 1424955073 139337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it fails when nothing is ready < 1424955073 520309 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1424955077 211643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it either returns True or Fails? < 1424955088 817881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty fucking stupid < 1424955136 848989 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424955148 179847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: and what is the character in the 0x80 position? < 1424955159 186448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it supposed to represent? < 1424955185 833377 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess full block < 1424955197 459280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 0x80, not 0x7F < 1424955242 411456 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe 0x80 is a diamond, representing energy credits. < 1424955257 73025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424955257 711511 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it would if I had finished the damn game < 1424955295 754664 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greek letters are in a pseudo-enlish order with the big letters put in wherever they fit < 1424955310 674415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what game is it that requires these particular letters < 1424955328 613539 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diamond reminds me of the statement separator in APL < 1424955335 837208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: isn't that a small diamond? < 1424955354 328235 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's looked fairly large in the fonts I've seen, but I don't know < 1424955390 38329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was going to be a futuristic RTS with units named in Russian, japanese, and greek (for the aliens) < 1424955413 506062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: but only all uppercase russian? < 1424955461 101269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. Because in novaya rossiya, they are CAPITALIST NOW! < 1424955472 412869 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huahhahaha < 1424955484 254477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what about the gray stuff? < 1424955517 973560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gray is an error that my program doesn't care about for some reason < 1424955521 452881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which glyph represents Э < 1424955560 561704 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1424955569 575939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424955602 859802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured your W stands in for Ш < 1424955630 820890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 4 stand for Ч then? < 1424955649 280991 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1424955658 427124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424955675 909423 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make economical use of code space unlike those unicode wastrels < 1424955697 259362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what char does the glyph at 0xa1 represent? < 1424955738 523678 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 < 1424955761 986248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! I thought we had an infinity glyph for that < 1424955766 474390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424955793 367344 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is kind of hard to make half-width. < 1424955819 287410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i improvized a substitite < 1424955819 434067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it looks ugly in all the 9 wide fonts < 1424955835 167007 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of infinity is still infinity < 1424955836 964570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cp437 still has it, even if it's ugly < 1424955963 54421 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. I included only 2 kanji: 日 and 月 which are used in dates < 1424955968 882006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slash character seems ugly < 1424955999 994490 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah it's jagged. needs anti-aliasing < 1424956029 791674 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe to be less high < 1424956132 731373 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make infinity two characters wide (though I guess you're starved for space as it is already) < 1424956148 668489 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 0xFF nabla? < 1424956171 628835 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not nabla.. partial derivative < 1424956175 225097 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial derivative. < 1424956192 816088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what that would be used for in an RTS < 1424956198 327881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the characters at 0xf5, 0xf6, 0xf7, 0xf8 supposed to represent ∈∪∩⊂ ? if so, they seem to be raised too high I think < 1424956224 231882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, it's partial < 1424956244 961052 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... yeah maybe they are a lil high < 1424956271 683996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's at 0x9b ? < 1424956318 644384 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of the japanese postal mark < 1424956322 911634 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese postal sign. < 1424956330 746509 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I would have expected 3 to be used for З. As it is your З looks more like a 3 than your 3 does. < 1424956331 77814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424956358 426336 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1424956358 877989 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was going to be 年 but i couldn't get it small enough < 1424956400 881810 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on paper i write my 3's like that < 1424956445 218523 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact all those numbers are how i write them on paper < 1424956481 354770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you write dotted zeros? < 1424956482 689162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1424956490 836326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and underscored ones < 1424956494 251991 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1424956530 73989 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uncurly twos. < 1424956555 715375 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write underscored ones when I want to emphanize it is a one < 1424956556 100464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ö glyph? < 1424956573 207269 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And angular fours and fives. < 1424956604 667850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect there should be one if there's what looks like an ü and an å < 1424956638 614252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better yet, separate the diacritics from the symbols and use overstriking < 1424956639 589974 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. that would be better than quite a few of those charcters < 1424956672 571352 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :overstriking ftw. < 1424956685 138303 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, I learned yesterday that `less` will interpret A^HA as boldface A and _^HA as underlined A < 1424956695 634890 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how man communicates these to less < 1424956707 389321 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. cool < 1424956708 43266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny how traces of overstriking still remains < 1424956709 546334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ä could help too < 1424956715 681492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1424956716 91926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :remain* < 1424956761 627453 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, overstriking is probably the way to go < 1424956770 674658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer not to limit myself to 256 glyphs, so my font has over two thousand characters, and even a very few identical pairs (mostly just multiple completely empty ones) < 1424956792 331408 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use your own monospace font for everyday use? < 1424956799 940379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, in terminals < 1424956804 122362 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it right now < 1424956807 63795 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it public anywhere? < 1424956816 502294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: => http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz < 1424956820 933768 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fecupboard20 (free X11 bitmap font with 20x10 pixel character cell, easily distinguishable characters, great for terminals and programming, has all characters in iso-8895-1 and 8859-2 and more) < 1424956846 399665 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in this terminal anyway. the other one is still on that crazy-ass klingon looking font < 1424956853 658753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should update that short description < 1424956868 920082 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly happy with the font I currently use, but curious what it looks like either way < 1424956869 940016 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Does it have l with belt? < 1424956872 495420 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1424956890 432454 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ł < 1424956891 293406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I don't think so... let me check < 1424956893 84530 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1424956905 477518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what? isn't that the crossed l? < 1424956913 651426 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: That’s l with stroke. < 1424956917 689811 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424956919 422267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :l with belt is ɬ < 1424956941 78077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly has ł < 1424956966 341794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fecupboard20 is supposed to have all characters required for all major European languages that are written in the latin script < 1424956975 719223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must have ł < 1424957015 94732 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like in has that curly thing l < 1424957095 714411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, definitely doesn't have l with belt < 1424957191 716900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is l with belt used only as a pronunciation symbol? < 1424957209 367278 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m happy with DejaVu Sans Mono. I particularly like the l in it, and moreso that all the variants have the same shape because it has all of them, except turned l. < 1424957234 23330 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I believe it’s only used in IPA, yes. < 1424957254 967377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then that's why I don't have it. I've added only a few of the characters that are used only in IPA < 1424957297 955258 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A consequence of this is that there is no uppercase version, since IPA uses only lowercase and caseless letters. < 1424957306 933590 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This font reminds me of MS DOS for some reason < 1424957318 737213 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fecupboard20, that is < 1424957331 450068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, some of the pc fonts have inspired me < 1424957345 500478 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite similar to the one in MS DOS (which i recently installed on an old computer to play DOOM) < 1424957351 465686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've observed at least three different 9x16 fonts before I made this 10x20 one < 1424957361 105189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: there's no _one_ font in MS DOS < 1424957374 349065 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the default one then < 1424957380 637020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's various ones hard-coded in VGA cards < 1424957384 393732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least three different ones < 1424957395 9944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all with cp437 encoding and very similar < 1424957401 520986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but different in the details < 1424957436 128055 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Iwasn't around in the old MS DOS days so you'd know better than I < 1424957446 895258 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, the l with belt renders just fine for me and doesn't look out-of-place compared to the other glyphs.. I guess it happened to fall back to a similar font < 1424957447 900836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424957527 148642 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like that way `works with' to make quotes < 1424957546 910307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really depends on the font < 1424957559 695689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't look very similar in the one I'm using < 1424957572 503832 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In b_jonas's font it works, is what I mean < 1424957572 650726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais523 < 1424957581 400438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1424957603 513384 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424957630 906838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we were talking about fonts, and in particular this crazy one with a custom encoding by oren: http://postimg.org/image/tjxgpkkj5/ < 1424957683 139731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a custom encoding that is nonetheless almost consistent with ASCII < 1424957688 858325 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424957689 969954 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the custom encoding is mostly designed so I can write the actual strings in latin and then shift ehm by varying amounts < 1424957692 747269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having a printable character where newline should be is a problem, though) < 1424957695 51753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's certainly consistent with ascii < 1424957696 338814 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like an extended ASCII variant to me < 1424957710 692830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um no, it's not a problem for cp437 either < 1424957722 532273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuse the newline is transformed by the terminal layer and never gets into video memory < 1424957754 66272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(similarly how having a printing character at the position of space isn't a problem for TeX's oT1-encoded fonts, because the TeX engine emits a glue rather than a character when you type space) < 1424957764 557749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1424957780 928765 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I write @amma and it becomes Γαμμα < 1424957813 81423 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops I mean `amma < 1424957829 122273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that explains the positions of the russian uppercase things < 1424957859 347631 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424957865 883867 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lľŀłƚljȴɭʪʫˡᶅᶩỻₗⅼⱡꝇꝉꞁꞎꭝꭞl < 1424957925 275550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: my font has l, l with caron, l with acute, l with slash out of those < 1424957927 806729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are all supported by DejaVu Sans Mono? < 1424957931 405502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe something else, I don't know) < 1424957931 644936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyrillic, presumably < 1424957934 737567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than Russian specifically < 1424957943 553691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do mean Russian < 1424957945 79773 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No, that’s just all of them I could find at all. < 1424957951 467184 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1424957968 899208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to learn cyrillic, but it has too many vowels :-( < 1424957971 103661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: look at oren's font, it only has glyphs for russian uppercase letters, not for the letters used in macedonian or serbian < 1424958019 843981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's some tricks, namely how in that font 34W stand for the russian letters (which wasn't obvious to me at first) < 1424958026 203977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no other glyphs for those < 1424958055 188017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like the beta in CP437 which is also an ß < 1424958062 949831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1424958096 274988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also this doesn't have a russian F because the cyrillic one stands for it < 1424958104 407270 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Excepting ones that are particularly simple l with an accent; I didn’t list those. < 1424958106 264104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1424958107 584927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1424958108 478674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, some typewriter keyboards don't have a 0 or 1 < 1424958126 300033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can use O and I instead < 1424958126 446616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have a russian F because the greek Phi stands for it < 1424958126 446737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it's O and l actually < 1424958137 81574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, lowercase l < 1424958143 119364 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lľŀłƚȴɭˡᶅᶩ are the ones of that list in DejaVu Sans Mono. < 1424958224 654057 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, actually more, but weechat fails to display them because they aren’t listed in whatever lib resource that one thing was. < 1424958336 705896 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ʪʫ are actually in it but the l parts don’t have the usual shape; it probably doesn’t fit in a cell well enough. < 1424958538 270820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that works for presentational purposes, but it can't be fun to try to analyse/deal with text where a particular glyph could represent multiple characters < 1424958650 179257 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make a 3px-high font once, it didn't go terribly well < 1424958661 709042 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/pixfont/index.html < 1424958718 965070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: heheh < 1424958848 198186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to disregard case, which is something I usually strongly dislike, because at that scale there isn't much choice < 1424958909 371400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just add a colon before each uppercase letter < 1424958940 646952 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good way to generate an alphabet maybe < 1424958957 43835 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I meant more the way I use lowercase b and n < 1424958959 386316 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just create a set of small bitmaps that are visually as far apart as possible < 1424958977 394213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yes, people have tried that < 1424958981 572821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in various ways < 1424958991 75119 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :id like to see some of the results < 1424959003 550772 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a link? < 1424959056 550480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I for am a typogeek and care about the text looking very similar to existing beautiful texts, rather than inventing something entirely new < 1424959070 106076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm traditional < 1424959142 609449 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424959337 74332 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: You mean this thing: http://dotsies.org/ ? < 1424959492 353253 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly that seems to have put the dot patterns in some order and zipped them with the supported alphabet in order, instead of thinking about distinctiveness vs. frequency. < 1424959493 601511 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424959507 511270 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1424959535 278924 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ithink better can be done < 1424959639 687169 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have to bereated to english either < 1424959860 982237 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424959961 978838 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960016 588283 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960066 907134 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960132 400249 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960251 590181 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424960280 601897 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960360 733680 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960385 171233 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1424960400 835754 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960692 901837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424960855 36619 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960876 243737 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424960878 340151 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424960896 570100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1424960936 947509 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the latin alphabet is a lot more efficient when it comes to reading than those dot patterns.. < 1424960949 648532 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :jameseb < 1424961030 315711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424961382 658784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424961578 702383 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424961633 560556 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424961673 817256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it'd be hard to surpass several decades of training, that's certain. but in principle, I guess you can recognize larger patterns the same way you'd do with english text. < 1424961718 509836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tricky to predict. one should do this with more versatile features than squares. < 1424961828 793137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one criticism I'd have is that in isolation, a,b,c,d,e all look the same. that's quite awful. < 1424961837 191713 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that was mostly what I was thinking of < 1424961853 974436 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having to judge distance between objects to read seems bad < 1424961877 962658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for the different letters that all look visually like variations of '!' < 1424962070 415938 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GibVent < 1424962093 763784 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424962152 641543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42055&oldid=41608 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+364) 10/* Computational class */ not TC in the usual(?) sense; someone on IRC pointed this out the other day < 1424962195 437664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42056&oldid=42055 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+10) 10/* Computational class */ *universal Turing machine < 1424962382 694838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42057&oldid=42056 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-7) 10/* Computational class */ link to ℒ < 1424962655 362046 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424962724 720858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1424962929 359762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424963269 508131 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424963618 254599 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424963622 83640 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1424963916 162787 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42058&oldid=42052 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+0) 10 < 1424963968 686127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42059&oldid=42058 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+143) 10 < 1424964265 459988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42060&oldid=42059 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+6) 10/* Types */ < 1424964283 364373 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424964413 686533 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424964537 360455 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1424964675 243506 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424964880 185810 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424964955 200989 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424964970 192233 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424965264 521188 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1424965804 327278 :GibVent!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424965814 933685 :GibVent!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424965996 255544 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424966006 365347 :GibVent!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424966011 816129 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GibVent < 1424966192 555456 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1424966194 270440 :GibVent!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1424966199 331657 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, int-e: I am reminded of one thing that someone proposed dotsies were good for: Writing Lojban into five-block-high walls in Minecraft. < 1424966298 816264 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one problem I ahve with dotsies. < 1424966299 574854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1424966327 717859 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is that it uses a special character for full stops that breaks the pattern it uses. < 1424966331 499677 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn to read it.. I could see it being useful in some circumstances with very limited resolution, like that < 1424966352 311188 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When really, it could ahve just gone with a solid, fife-dot line instead for that purpose. < 1424966358 282852 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the additional fun that Lojban’s root words are five letters long, so they become 5×5-block squares.) < 1424966395 87844 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, you can't use punctuation with it as all if you're actually displaying it at minimal resolution. < 1424966399 947280 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that Lojban doesn’t strictly require any punctuation.) < 1424966408 777915 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about '? < 1424966438 609252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it isn't punctuation in Lojban, but you need it as well, no? < 1424966457 323646 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Using the h-dotsie should be fine. < 1424966485 197673 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so, yeah < 1424966489 721621 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the only reason ' isn’t h in the latin orthography is that it’s supposed to be “light”. < 1424966567 429104 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Basically, it’s unlike any other consonant in that it can only appear between vowels and usually doesn’t count for purposes of general word-shape validity.) < 1424966609 225750 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424966610 916197 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424966678 586794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424966771 268745 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sometimes like to think of it as an overgrown vowel hiatus instead of a real consonant, because that’s what it looks like to me.) < 1424967726 293755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, I want to show something to you as well < 1424967748 960546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/ccache.png < 1424967786 721477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did a measurement on how quickly my computer can read memory. the goal was to show the impact of the L1 cache and the L2 cache. that much works: < 1424967806 230006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you're reading the same area of memory over and over again, I take it? < 1424967810 723489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424967839 696387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the left third of the diagram, I read from the L1 cachce, so the speed is bound by executing the instructions, not by the memory loads < 1424967854 900151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shows that this computer has 32 kibibytes of L!h1 cache < 1424967861 731731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of L1 cache < 1424967911 197980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the middle third of the diagram shows reading from L2 cache, there the speed is bound mostly or completely by the speed of that cache. < 1424967960 628038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 2 mebibytes of L2 cache in this machine, but the speed starts getting worse below that, because this is ran on a multitasking OS which does stuff other than running this program, and switches often enough that the program can't use the L2 cache fully < 1424967972 839694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this much is what I expected. < 1424968005 438234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surprising part is the right third, where the speed is bound by the read speed of the main memory. < 1424968054 462203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see that there are two different possible speeds, one around 4.5 GiB/s and one around 4 GiB/s. That diagram doesn't explain why there are two speeds, and it took me a while (and some experiments other than looking at this diagram) to figure out the reason. < 1424968060 168892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you guess the reason? < 1424968292 262648 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :These graphs are wonderful < 1424968311 526401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1424968344 213768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: NUMA? < 1424968366 614595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no. this is my old home computer and definitely doesn't do NUMA. < 1424968368 365446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: would the density of the 4.5GB/s be about 1/3 of the 4GB/s line? (so 1/4 vs 3/4 total)? < 1424968389 537303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not intentional NUMA, but I'd expect some of the cores would be closer to certain parts of memory < 1424968398 578423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, the 4.5 GB is denser, but that's a red herring < 1424968422 21487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh. right. reading it wrong. < 1424968452 255545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't see how that would happen because there's only a single memory card (512 MiB size) and a single intel CPU chip with two cores < 1424968458 398893 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"old" ... upgraded memory? < 1424968525 106600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and even still, the measurements for that part of the grpah take two or three seconds, so if it depended on the cores I'd expect to see intermediate results where the process is placed to another core during a run, < 1424968535 871182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ideas would be alignment of reads, and actually different memory behavior in different address ranges. < 1424968540 644517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there don't seem to be such things, or only one or two in the thousands of run < 1424968577 141736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that at least on Linux, processes tend to stay pegged to one core unless there's a good reason to move < 1424968592 528953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: all the reads are 64-byte aligned, so if alignment matters it could be through affecting whcih L2 cache lines are emptied, but that's unlikely to show up on the rightmost part of the graph, or through page caches < 1424968614 143881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... ok, then maybe you could suppose it's related to cores < 1424968852 958530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: or, I guess, alignment could perhaps matter for how the bits are layed out on the memory chips < 1424968877 760387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't see how that could result in two so different discrete constant speeds even for the longest (64 megabyte long) memory reads < 1424969625 982150 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many unknowns. I'd like to know which processor, I'd like to see the code, I'd like to see kernel events (any frequency scaling?), I'd probably spend a bit on the actual machine code (any funny loop unrolling?); lots of things to poke at with no clear idea. < 1424969653 681174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a clue: all the results I got in the first hour of the experiment were the slower speed, and all the results in the following two hours are of the higher speed. < 1424969657 985866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait, I can tell you some of the bit < 1424969704 230148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the cpu is an intel Core2 6300 1.86 GHz < 1424969726 521426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can show you the source code and the assembled code because I've looked at it myself < 1424969756 711311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some extra register moves that the compiler left in and that are probably pointless < 1424969871 766983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop unrolling is manually done by me, I read 256 bytes in each loop iteration < 1424969890 279826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler kept that, it's just reordered whcih order the 16 reads happen < 1424970135 858365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf, now I want to make a "hot cache" joke (they make things go fast) < 1424970211 584070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: here's the program, the compile options, and the assembly: http://dpaste.com/04KPY18 http://dpaste.com/1CTY8S8 http://dpaste.com/3F6YPN7 < 1424970244 108079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in the assembly program, the relevant loop starts at the label .L94 < 1424970299 180618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see that it does the 16 memory reads, each 16 bytes long, and no other memory access < 1424970330 753213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, apart from accessing the page table, page table caches, and code cache of course) < 1424970622 98032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I did think of the page tables, but I believe the effects caused by those are hidden in the noise. < 1424970682 914570 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424970713 481739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there aren't enough accesses to explain a 10% difference; besides the allocation is so big that the libc should request 4MB pages anyway) < 1424970722 834273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(making the effect even smaller) < 1424970746 86295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the problem with the page tables is that the intel manuals don't give any details about how the page table cache in their cpus work. they mention that the page table cache exists, but calls it somethign else, not page table cache. < 1424970764 414397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation lookaside buffer, tlb < 1424970782 817853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I got the middle word correct < 1424970798 925624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did, apparently < 1424970906 949778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, tlb's are secret sauce in intel processors - all automatic and therefore deeply magical. < 1424971004 777550 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424971010 540946 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424971271 247551 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424972099 191944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think it's called TLB < 1424972180 434183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the effect of TLBs may be larger than I thought (it's hard to say; there's prefetching magic that will hide a lot of latency), but I don't see how it could be so uniform. < 1424972321 165838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the prefetching magic certainly matters to increase the speed of these kinds of loops, because they mean that even without explicit prefetch instructions the memory load throughput will always be used to the full, rather sitting idle half the time and then acting only when the load instruction is issued < 1424972370 286675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this matters especially in the L2 cache case, the middle part of the diagram < 1424972372 526140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1424972404 761896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The theory would be that at some point, enough contiguous memory is free that the program can allocate its buffer in one contiguous chunk in memory that can be described with just a few pagetable entries. but I'd expect more noise between the two lines.) < 1424972414 421197 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how that interacts with the page cache, or whether the page cache is ever speculatively fetched though < 1424972452 617404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also depends on the machine being heavily loaded (at least memory-wise) < 1424972498 441732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. Time to go home. Laters < 1424972622 59666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, if the page cache mattered, you could see that a third step in the stairs, but it's a very small step so it might be hidden by the noise, and it might be very close to the step from L2 cache to main memory, so it could be masked < 1424972637 651652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how the page cache really works, so I can't really tell what to expect < 1424972791 570931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I deliberately chose _sequential_ memory reading, rather than random access, so that the prefetcher and speculative execution can do its best, and so that the page cache doesn't matter much < 1424972841 351235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically it's not completely sequential, because the four lines in each loop iteration aren't read in the right order, but it's sequential if you're looking at it in larger scale) < 1424972873 486373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaving too, if you want to know the solution, I'll tell you in the evening. < 1424973201 482279 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424973605 609690 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcbifaqavzcjqljh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424974328 338681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424974616 677816 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424974628 226823 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424974649 745143 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqexbepxzjgwvgyb JOIN :#esoteric < 1424975711 977363 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424976413 296842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm definitely interested in the answer. < 1424976938 763723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious as well < 1424977824 220854 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:915a:d94d:3bc9:254d QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424977954 962862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLB sounds like vmm < 1424979284 754398 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424979532 913369 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424980055 497805 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424980057 280087 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424980102 368688 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424980151 372557 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424980393 341878 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424981173 362157 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424981514 359246 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424981553 590879 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424982219 306178 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424982265 356411 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424983773 869812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42061&oldid=42060 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+75) 10 < 1424983801 546859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42062&oldid=42061 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+25) 10 < 1424984135 269328 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424984148 659718 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424985615 780839 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqexbepxzjgwvgyb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424985776 431312 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1424986510 185308 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424986687 300545 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424986948 700943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42063&oldid=42062 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+33) 10/* Constants */ < 1424987139 552169 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424987459 599916 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424988103 159206 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424988317 605519 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424988471 943938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, FireFly: ok, telling answer now < 1424988482 197046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference was because of the video card built in to the motherboard < 1424988495 863765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the setting was such that after about an hour, the screen was blanked < 1424988505 670587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ow. < 1424988517 433578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that, the video card had to read the ten megabyte sized screen buffer fifty times per second < 1424988542 25863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixty times per second in fact < 1424988556 278080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1920*1280*4*60 NB. bytes per second < 1424988556 888427 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 589824000 < 1424988558 581855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. That never happened to me; I buy "proper" graphics adapters. < 1424988573 6407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's the half gigabyte per second difference < 1424988586 825920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice trap. Thanks for sharing. < 1424988607 319195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I later measured to verify this by deliberately blanking the screen then resuming, and got consistent results < 1424988667 587403 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424988694 915691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if the proper graphics adapter uses a separate memory from the main ram, don't you pay for that because then the cpu can access that ram slower? < 1424988753 738239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but at least they're separate buses though, and I only pay for that when updating the screen. < 1424988787 51224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, that's true, which would make a difference in this case < 1424988792 90447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also don't use a compositing manager) < 1424988805 122107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so the math is all different) < 1424988854 82142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen was barely touched in this case, so a separte video card would certainly make it easy < 1424988858 337195 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1424988899 258546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun part is that I still pay for the video card when the display is turned off with its power button < 1424988945 282170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, in this case just buying a more modern machine would double the memory speed, which would count for much more than anything about the video card < 1424988987 339278 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424989065 89145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd still be 5% < 1424989087 59043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :10% actually < 1424989097 734507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should lower the screen resolution to 640x480 ;-) < 1424989111 908055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: or switch to text mode, or lower the resolution and the refresh rate too < 1424989118 704021 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424989122 268766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to text mode might be the most practical < 1424989152 29020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not quite < 1424989172 580994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting the slow computations to faster server machines I have access to rather than my home machine is the most practical < 1424989204 65395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly because I don't do tasks that need lots of computations on my home machine why I haven't bought a faster home computer yet < 1424989221 515726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'll need fast computations, I'll just buy a modern machine with lots of RAM < 1424989313 142906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is funny. If you listen to John Carmack, he's saying that the unified memory for GPU and CPU is going to win. But he's interested in high-end graphics, where the bottleneck is getting all the data for the next frame to the GPU. < 1424989342 626832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1424989363 446308 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424989374 6480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do GPU programming, so I don't really have an opinion on this. I'm more interested in how I can do more efficient computations on the CPU. < 1424989384 471803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forgot where he said that, the quakecon talk last year would be my guess) < 1424989389 726048 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424989393 123525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I'm trying to understand how the CPU accesses memory and how its caches work. < 1424989404 272968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also other stuff about CPUs.) < 1424989472 178729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and let's do the same math for a 4K resolution. < 1424989482 58223 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424989486 634690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ouch) < 1424989551 876152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: machines with 4K resolution probably have a twice faster ram than this one < 1424989556 471522 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424989556 925678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my work machine has a twice faster ram < 1424989577 756472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an old but beloved computer < 1424989580 626776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, 4x more bandwidth for driving the monitor when you have 2x more memory bandwidth. :) < 1424989605 459883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, a recent machine _might_ have 4x this bandwith possibly, if you pay enough < 1424989609 643431 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the gpu have some sort of cache? maybe not a whole frame buffer though... < 1424989624 194708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. 4k resolution is silly anyway. < 1424989656 237428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, it should probably have enough cache to cache the text mode font, which is usually only 4 kilobytes, but can be up to 16 kilobytes in size < 1424989671 679718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I expect it has a cache for textures and the like, to speed up the actual rendering. < 1424989680 348808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or enough to cache a line in a double-scan graphics mode (say 320x200 on a crt) < 1424989697 266463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a cache won't help for the whole screen unless you have 10 megs of it < 1424989707 661032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or let's say 7 megs < 1424989847 525872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, it's not really 4 times the bandwidth, only 3.2 times. I have 1.25 the resolution of a normal monitor because I use a true 1920x1280 one rather than the usual 1920x1080. < 1424989895 199190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 3.4 times the bandwidth < 1424990036 214088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll condense this to "if you want the program to run faster, switch to text mode" and go annoy some people with this wisdom. < 1424990088 191457 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1424990248 127487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not quite, because it's only true to programs that are truly memory-bound < 1424990254 68762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many programs aren't < 1424990279 944600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's wrong in many cases. < 1424990296 977652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it depends on the computer too < 1424990305 304255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the aforementioned standalone graphics adapter is another) < 1424990333 379651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't "if you want the program to run faster, turn off the video signal blanking the screen" be more annoying though? < 1424990348 224257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's even conceivable that an on-board GPU comes with its own video buffer anyway. < 1424990492 537790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1424990588 280474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: especially since AMD has bought ATI, they can now make both motherboards and videocards < 1424990698 519884 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424990732 225244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and combine CPU/GPU into a single chip. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Accelerated_Processing_Unit < 1424990800 618099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that's exactly the sort of advice that should be spread to annoy people who want to use multithreading and JIT and GPU computing to add two numbers, because they heared the GPU can add numbers faster, but actually care more about the buzzwords than the performance. < 1424990839 668368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1424990876 898644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really annoy me for some reason. especially in the few cases when it's people at work. < 1424990911 759251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's not literally 2 numbers. < 1424990920 619785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not literally. < 1424990938 485446 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424990983 947614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem is only partly that they want to use it for inapproperiate tasks, but also that they try to jump to these difficult to use techniques while ignoring much easier possibilities for optimizing their code, like correcting obvious wastes of time. < 1424991019 141522 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424991022 376613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (\x y -> 1 + y/(y+10) * x) 0 [0..490] :: Rational -- d'oh! < 1424991023 665343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 501 % 11 < 1424991051 982369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I admit that there's at least one case when multithreading actually helps, at least one case when JIT actually helps, and at least one case when GPU programming actually help. it's just that people ignore the basics like how to write programs for the cpu properly before trying to learn these stuff. < 1424991080 341123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't care to measure what's actually slow in their program or whether their changes actually help in any way or preserve correctness. < 1424991157 231629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, profile, reconsider algorithms, and it doesn't hurt to think about parallelizing stuff (we have many multicore cpus nowadays) when the algorithm looks good. < 1424991162 897689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do they learn how to apply these advanced techniques properly, which is not surprising, because you can't use them efficinetly withotu using the basics. < 1424991175 710788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they write unsafe multithreaded programs that then crash. < 1424991182 743042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, keep an eye on the cache hierarchy (part of the algorithm...) < 1424991239 842617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they write unsafe single-threaded code that trashes memory by writing past array bounds or to freed memory or through uninitialized pointers, and then the program crashes. < 1424991258 173336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they try to blame _my_ good code which they happen to run in the same process. < 1424991268 774278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now take that to the GPU. the OS won't save you this time *g* < 1424991305 84146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't even write correct code, not even robust or performant or multithreaded one. < 1424991320 750291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this is not universal. I also have good experiences at work, with colleages from whom I can learn a lot. < 1424991353 573432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want those times back, but having to reboot the computer when you did a programming mistake was good for teaching me a minimal amount of care. < 1424991454 478397 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424991556 914314 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424991796 572684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only one of them does irc though. < 1424992296 20525 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Quit: Network ban < 1424992659 314260 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424992955 714467 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1424993103 860679 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1424993294 141319 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424993440 914307 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424993660 440299 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1424993684 905202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424993887 336113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424993974 970678 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424994407 271822 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1424994407 463291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1424994834 132717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0 < 1424996003 358969 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424996285 175254 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424996564 155293 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424996853 367611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424996953 408313 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424997011 406196 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424997015 339502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424997170 715660 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424997265 396536 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424997422 344821 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1424997981 515505 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually run long-running jobs on the university's computer < 1424998076 590217 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because as some of you know, my personal computer is total crap < 1424998482 278524 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. what kind of long-running jobs are they? < 1424998789 707488 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics rendering, ai training, that sort of thing < 1424999946 672670 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425000265 378990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: helliott. I find this acceptable: the +1 long sword of Punishment (weapon) {drain, +Blink +Fly rElec rPois Dex+2} < 1425000371 924410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very caster weapon, heh < 1425000436 27882 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425000474 674845 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425000557 165878 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define up2(i,n) for(i=0;i<(n);i++) < 1425000573 995197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your term is slightly less huge than usual. I find this commendable. < 1425000812 298553 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define up3(i,q,n) for(i=(q);i!=(n);i++) < 1425000840 738627 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define malloc(x) ((void*)&(x)) < 1425000866 341889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice skilling < 1425000884 238778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define new(T) (T*)malloc(zv(T)) < 1425000898 173250 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define zv(T) sizeof(T) < 1425000941 908253 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define return for(;;) < 1425001014 538334 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define zzzzz do{printf("FUUUUUU");exit(374872);}while(1) < 1425001017 186205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425001040 155324 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a vastly more serious note, unshare() is neat. < 1425001112 909299 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my term is slightly huger when I'm on my laptop hth < 1425001123 598183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a bit backwards. < 1425001126 621818 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, I'm experimentaling with my skills. < 1425001134 791277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by turning them all on :p < 1425001150 251439 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop's display is 1920×1080, whereas my desktop's is 1680×1050. < 1425001158 859527 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works. < 1425001187 108969 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425001292 372378 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define randi(l,u) rand()%(u-l+1)+l < 1425001320 208935 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAURGH! < 1425001329 380867 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurgh! < 1425001339 404631 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?!? < 1425001362 905688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got splattered to smithereens. < 1425001383 684154 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mismanaged the mob and I was exploded into tiny slimy bloody fragments. < 1425001424 855151 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425001633 134464 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1425001641 246598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1425001693 601965 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425001921 338878 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425002236 413983 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425003439 550724 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425004173 311257 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425004511 27420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. watcha playin? < 1425004528 600523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethacks? < 1425004666 775950 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! DCSS. < 1425004688 353318 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, playing is a fancy word. I'm more down to earth, back to dying simply and effectively. < 1425004773 823251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always look at the bright side of death < 1425004818 204452 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. the more practice you have dying, the better you get at avoiding it! < 1425005039 56802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'earlymoily. fancy. < 1425005165 785737 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking to himself “I am not being called Girly Molly. I am not being called Girly Molly. Brain, stop being dyslexic.” < 1425005203 866958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye brane, staff beeing disliking < 1425005217 602983 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425005284 515485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be Molly Grue for all I know... self identity is such a hazy concept. < 1425005309 268577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gruesome idea < 1425005335 157869 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1425005724 617137 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNICORN CHICKEN < 1425005994 690124 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1425007176 972043 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1425007328 861301 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Client Quit < 1425008779 409922 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed: a single-layer perceptron utterly fails at doing xor < 1425008904 936107 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1425008958 499168 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ti works with a 2-2-1 network, thus showing that my code is correctly implemented. ieiii! < 1425010409 862588 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425012733 400362 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzajdnmkcnscyeto JOIN :#esoteric < 1425012847 59791 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/2ujjl8/he_may_be_british_but_the_point_applies_in_the_us/ < 1425012860 548044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrifically anti-intellectual video or important point about missing priorities? < 1425012880 184266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to think it's both, that the things people aren't taught in school that he mentions absolutely should be < 1425012895 549794 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't really see a downside to teaching those 'useless' things as much < 1425012906 929327 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that priotization is a thing) < 1425013921 478968 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the things he mentions were taught to me by my parents < 1425013979 391953 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to rely on that in general though < 1425014013 846023 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for important-but-not-yet-commonly-known things, such as recognizing signs of mental illness. Can't teach how to treat or perfect detail maybe, but can teach at least some recognition signs < 1425014091 990774 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, that one is a good idea < 1425014137 319123 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how to vote, pay taxes or budget, and the laws, were all taught to me by my parents < 1425014153 837179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now over 9000 < 1425014221 346868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't think my parents taught me any of those < 1425014223 653964 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to budget >.> I just sort of assume that if I set aside 20% of my income as 'allowed to spend frivolously' I'm good. Except that that account has become my -pay stuff online- account, which isn't perfectly correlation with -stuff I want but don't need- < 1425014238 946359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my mom was darn good at budgeting so i'm sure she would have if i'd asked < 1425014275 737976 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also going to need to figure out taxes for the first time this year < 1425014302 380275 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that he didn't mention is cooking. Absolutely everyone should be able to cook a meal for themselves. < 1425014303 996524 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Last year my dad did them for me. Totally educational. I need to stop relying on him) < 1425014306 133120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i suppose they may have told me _some_ laws. i'm still unsure about many.) < 1425014455 273768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew how to do my taxes once, but the government has made it so easy that i don't need to any more < 1425014470 783666 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best point he makes imo is the one about history. I only know what the Cold War was abut because my father explained it. it was never covered in school. < 1425014545 56888 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They covered c. 1912-1945 when they should have covered 1950-2000 < 1425014568 140499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1425014596 937088 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :education was never free from the influence of politics < 1425014606 417298 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among others < 1425014723 987457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically everyone who doesn't have a complex economy (like running your own business or the like) gets a suggested tax form from the government, and if you basically agree with it you don't need to do _anything_) < 1425014791 75439 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :How utterly sane. < 1425014932 269918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the insane part is that this makes the tax authorities the most service-minded branch of the norwegian government, with the best publicity. < 1425014937 974455 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you won't have a calculator every day" -- only true in primary education system. In University either the numbers are so small you don't need them, or you DO get a calculator < 1425014967 453988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...until you actually _disagree_ with them, that is. then things can get rather ugly. < 1425015019 538351 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my times tables, and this has not been a detriment since grade 11. < 1425015033 977796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i don't expect they're worse than other countries in that respect.) < 1425015175 599543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a few current event projects in my school, where we were tasked with writing about whichever current event we wanted < 1425015192 984917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does know his times tables. helps a lot with that calculator crossword in the newspaper. also, prime numbers. < 1425015211 861142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about calculators I disagree with though. Yes, we carry around calculators, but there's no way any of my teachers could have predicted that. < 1425015230 238213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most teachers can't see the future. < 1425015244 683042 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When i was in school hand calculators were already universal < 1425015261 818209 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the 90's after all < 1425015266 173463 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you have believed you would carry one in your pocket every day? < 1425015272 378192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your adult life? < 1425015303 384011 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend had one on his keychain, so yes. < 1425015344 433153 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, ok < 1425015393 171630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean-- I was born in 1993. There were cell phones, laptops, etc throughout my childhood < 1425015424 84933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the year september never ended < 1425015462 51285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i know i'm old on the internet, i was there _before_ that. < 1425015503 938219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad told be email addresses used to look like name!name!name < 1425015514 283560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had crappy laptops during my childhood < 1425015539 205174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember bringing a DOS laptop to my babysitter's house when I was a kid < 1425015561 26633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often make calculation by hand or by mind if it is simple enough, although I also have a TI-92 calculator that I usually have when traveling somewhere < 1425015575 345660 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom had a IBM DOS laptop that she made my dad carry because it was heavy as hell. < 1425015777 574796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have the Oric-1 down in the storage room (technically it's my dad's), i think if i tried to turn it on the neighbors would call the cops on me, that had some _ugly_ radio interference. < 1425015896 375537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pre-DOS computer) < 1425015912 265372 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1425018525 604 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425022260 401197 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425022472 680588 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425023959 707463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules of golf says that ice can be considered as casual water or as loose impediments at your choice. If it is loose impediments then you can remove it, but what happen if both balls are on the putting green, whoever ball is farther away from the hole wants to remove it, is the other player allowed to put it back exactly where it was before in order to treat it as casual water or you have to do without it instead? < 1425024230 941264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425024340 144438 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425024340 305558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425024556 501141 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425024565 329240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425024725 615648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "/w00tw00t.at.blackhats.romanian.anti-sec:)"? < 1425025135 888525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, if both players can choose to remove or replace the ice at will any number of times, then clearly the non-active player gets to decide the outcome due to the infinite loop rules. < 1425025327 878640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get other strange HTTP requests too such as for "/lolo/lol/lo.php" and "/tmUnblock.cgi" and "/wqwq/wqw/wq.php" as well as one that doesn't have a valid request method; the entire request is "\xa7\x02" without GET or anything else. < 1425025377 692645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe that tried to be some request for some protocol other than HTTP < 1425025422 6268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't a protocol I recognize. Other malformed requests include "\xff\xff\xff\xff@\x01r" and "\xff\xff\xff\xff@\x01s" < 1425025450 671508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also don't know what "/muieblackcat" is.) < 1425025456 651063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you recognize any of these? < 1425025501 547620 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.250.208.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425025510 984144 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reimplemented this font http://www.arcavia.com/Software/ProgFont/. http://snag.gy/lkMAc.jpg < 1425025612 128670 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of crazy code is running out there. Could be a malformed student project, a malfunctioning botnet, who knows < 1425025810 284434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "/rom-0" and "/back.css" and "/tag_products.php?id_tag=%27" and "/w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:)" and "/1gophserv" (this last one seems to be a misinterpretation of a gopher URL as HTTP). And even "/user/soapCaller.bs" and various requests for stuff in /cgi-bin/ (I have nothing there) and many things that are trying to be proxy requests. < 1425025912 692850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :requests for cgi-bin are possibly hacking attempts? < 1425025944 769307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think they try to see what software is installed. Well, there is no such file. < 1425026014 976361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, they try the same file too often, and they shouldn't do that after you can already see there is no such files. < 1425026800 556411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've got /muieblackcat in my apache logs, let me see the others < 1425026864 902516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have files with any of those names on your computer? < 1425026870 822189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1425026881 388735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let me locate, but definitely not in the HTTP < 1425026884 22765 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.250.208.214 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425026988 288188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got requests for /rom-0 (maybe it's some router or other embedded device thing), requests with User-Agent starting with () to try to use that bash vulnerability, < 1425027059 556103 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.malwaremustdie.org/2013/10/a-disclosure-of-whats-behind-w00tw00t.html < 1425027101 929746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I've got /w00tw00t.at.blackhats.romanian.anti-sec:) too < 1425027124 343197 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other files did you say? let me see < 1425027142 546478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, /back.css too < 1425027196 579244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also /user/soapCaller.bs < 1425027207 758796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically all of them, except /1gopherserv < 1425027226 652831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, /tmUnblock.cgi too < 1425027428 964482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/1gophserv is specific to my computer because probably someone tried to follow a gopher:// URL but it changed to http:// and then it didn't work. < 1425027444 711006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1425027534 59548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get hits to files that actually exist, very often apparently from the bots of google, yahoo, and baidu < 1425027665 794826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you got any of the bash bug requests? < 1425027780 315031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm... < 1425027784 712706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc does weird things < 1425027807 704160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I cleaned the log now and don't log user-agents < 1425027814 529531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1425027814 767473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you multiply an MVar Double with a Double < 1425027815 433320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1425027824 420590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :someMVar * someDouble < 1425027836 113430 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a function like foo someMVar someDouble < 1425027847 62955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will say: Expected type MVar Double -> MVar Double < 1425027996 500455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/dE059AxK < 1425028015 527636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there a Num instance for MVars? < 1425028028 862908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it to report No Instance Num (MVar Double) < 1425028037 227398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what? < 1425028050 687547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you need to read the mvar and then >>= multiply it < 1425028117 42755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, fmap (2.7*) :: MVar Double -> IO Double < 1425030490 932575 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425031162 135136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: pretty sure your last $ var should be $ value hth < 1425031336 880705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that error message doesn't contain "Expected type MVar Double -> MVar Double" so what are you babbling about < 1425031613 327287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ actually make a Num instance for MVars, couldn't you. or even an Applicative instance. it would be weird and not very thread-safe... < 1425031640 627591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, no. < 1425031661 908744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without unsafeSomething. < 1425031677 647687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425031739 450342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh if you had newtype CrazyApp a = CrazyApp (IO (MVar a)) < 1425033036 685913 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Appicative f, Num a) => Num (f a) < 1425033092 166579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was alluding to < 1425033190 452075 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between 1788 and 1868, approximately 165,000 convicts were transported to various parts of Australia. All of them were category theorists. < 1425033240 202203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1425033707 929511 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1425034738 248723 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425034738 394922 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425034798 645824 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1425035187 913927 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425035452 949717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1425035870 329334 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nvicts were hanged. < 1425036272 847513 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425036400 602436 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425038431 527261 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is some wild stuff. Like Haskell in Lisp-ish syntax. https://github.com/ympbyc/Carrot < 1425038935 906401 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1425039738 689531 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: WHITEPOINT CHICKEN < 1425040079 969379 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425040124 752786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425040273 216282 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1425040412 632280 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/--C-%3DC-C-- < 1425040415 498895 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this turing complete? < 1425040494 588722 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1425040834 876674 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write hello world and 99 beers in it, qed < 1425040957 693734 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1425041369 858855 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425041632 914717 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1425043744 703212 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is C++ templates an esolang < 1425043866 324165 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1425043905 450317 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425043906 389437 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ templates is some kind of language < 1425044585 379356 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton%E2%80%93Nackman_trick < 1425044602 735271 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like math or something < 1425045045 88039 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is like math or something. usually like something, but sometimes like math. < 1425045057 308538 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true man < 1425045251 330515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, this is a pointer. < 1425045312 358479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, everything is math < 1425045707 239140 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically this whole trick is just a workaround of the fact that c++'s algolish syntax doesn't define which operand of == is the "self". < 1425045726 517949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :algolish as opposed to smalltalkish? < 1425045783 970140 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to all the excellent alternatives < 1425045833 85471 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, you could make a rule that a==b is always a.equals(b) < 1425045876 390790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that would be a bad idea, because then you could no longer write (0 == smartpointer) or write (nullptr == smartpointer) < 1425045924 663015 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, in fact, have two different definitions for a==b and b==a < 1425045932 171442 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because C++ < 1425045952 408979 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. maybe b.equals(a) would be better for the constant == variable convention (which is only necessary because they used = for assignement) < 1425045984 272947 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425046576 618881 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/uZKT8.jpg < 1425046742 461790 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++'s resolution rules are way too complex enyway < 1425046746 220497 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol the size difference < 1425046756 109070 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you might be interested in PNG < 1425046940 32970 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Oh, you mean in the picture. yah, artists cometimes screw up the perspective like that < 1425047106 757102 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick haskell question: in an Array Int (Map foo bar) will i be able to somehow update the map without changing the array? < 1425047184 632893 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array e a is just a faster [a] < 1425047227 517473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't answer the question < 1425047249 759376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right, it doesn't < 1425047278 115284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: can i update a single element? < 1425047291 256337 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does haskell have mutable state? < 1425047311 461910 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a mutable array instead of Array < 1425047344 285023 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that horribly slow at writing? < 1425047355 96412 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, I dont really know though < 1425047416 769814 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not slow at all. it just mutates in place < 1425047421 907690 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1425047423 541949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1425047499 627246 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there any progress on diff arrays to not suck < 1425047502 767383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, monads < 1425047503 139900 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1425047503 286612 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1425047555 315732 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, mutable arrays live in IO or ST monad < 1425047568 589451 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1425047594 144117 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know, use Data.Sequence. < 1425047634 374351 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1425047639 783029 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ST is really cool because it is mutable internally, but can be used in a pure way < 1425047650 395773 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1425047770 846322 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :set aside the state < 1425047772 354857 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1425047788 436652 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you use the state, it's impure < 1425047789 546956 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425047819 182701 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1425047826 613840 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxed versus unboxed < 1425047828 234532 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1425047886 10909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxed < 1425048151 733107 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, sequence is too slow < 1425048349 269788 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425048537 437920 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/dailyprogrammer/comments/2ww3pl/2015223_challenge_203_easy_the_start_of_something/coyxvoj < 1425048561 238878 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the program is just gibberish. < 1425048598 698081 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, good one < 1425048757 386433 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the program isn't actually square < 1425048768 331796 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks square when printed in plaintext < 1425048769 512369 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1425048875 4156 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88q3/0tenny.html < 1425048881 639711 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw this on the wiki.. < 1425049052 603903 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/0e116f1156e2ae1d5ffe here's the "clean" version < 1425049061 349135 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone's curious < 1425049127 494849 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Gist has a Befunge language category, but no highlighting. < 1425049361 457540 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425049584 210983 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I think HackerRank supports doing exercises in Befunge. < 1425049595 908205 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1425049650 734720 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, no, I'm mistaken, I think I was thinking of somewhere else. < 1425049660 598732 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have Brainfuck and Whitespace though. < 1425049711 608034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I promoted Befunge at work the other day. < 1425049724 288688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly by showing fungot sources to colleagues. < 1425049724 959693 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how complex would the highlighting regexes for befunge be? < 1425049740 742492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They commented that it all seemed very practical. < 1425049773 462408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also showed them the graphified version.) < 1425049777 899105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say fungot? is he back? < 1425049787 956657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no. < 1425049796 78073 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm... < 1425049797 562281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BT engineer has promised to visit on March 3rd. < 1425049799 642807 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge regexes? < 1425049806 89652 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an interesting challenge < 1425049830 469269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most editors, regexes are used to decide the syntax colorings. < 1425049853 167302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'll be off-country the next two weeks or so, so the fungot shortage shows no signs of abating. < 1425049871 654965 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1425049873 330785 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1425049881 90479 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge highlighting < 1425049885 206935 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1425049891 694706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do the trivial context-free highlighting trivially. < 1425049900 734528 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you could accurately tell what's a string and what's not without running it < 1425049907 198401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the more complicated thing not at all, pretty much. < 1425049922 982358 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some things could be both a string AND not < 1425049929 617680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425049939 124811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the contents of cells can change during running the program too < 1425049950 163016 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so context-free highlighting is pretty much the best you're going to get < 1425049958 430588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being both string and commands is just a matter of translucency. < 1425049983 128579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1425049991 466048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a "well-behaved" program, you can do quite a bit with static analysis, but the editor context is worse for that kind of stuff, since the code would spend most of the time being invalid. < 1425050018 201608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you misplace a >, the rest of the program would be re-highlighted completely differently. < 1425050019 140137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: translucency if it's achieved using bridges (trampoline instructions), polarized light if it's achieved using different directions of execution < 1425050054 293584 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge highlighting can't be properly done with regexes. < 1425050057 977846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Combined with one of those polarized 3D glasses, that'd be nice. < 1425050228 556389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/fungot.png for those who haven't seen it yet. < 1425050272 220684 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be displayed because it has errors < 1425050287 681563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me. It's a biggish file, though. < 1425050294 754143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :7485x15016 pixels. < 1425050344 48071 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically generated Befunge flowcharts? < 1425050356 212310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png is a 1:5 scale replica, if 7485x15016 sounds scary. < 1425050359 239967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1425050366 571878 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1425050402 508540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of crude heuristics to handle things like j. < 1425050445 560273 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ... pkill -9 firefox < 1425050453 893634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry." < 1425050490 750455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think there was some heuristic about ignoring reflections from fingerprint instructions that don't "look like" they're being handled, since those are a big source of potential static control flows that don't (or shouldn't) occur in practice. < 1425050545 714614 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1425050556 646330 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the flowchart generator up for download? :P < 1425050558 338120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are fingerprint instructions? < 1425050601 72142 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.unix.questions/Pg0Gv1Vk9G4/O-k8lym2DXoJ < 1425051212 427321 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425051433 200635 :tomlukeywood!~tom@host-92-19-232-58.static.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425051443 735680 :tomlukeywood!~tom@host-92-19-232-58.static.as13285.net PART :#esoteric < 1425051457 353472 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425052037 138936 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425052104 231242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I don't think so, I think I did it as a ugly one-off Java thing or something. < 1425052113 775979 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, alright. < 1425052168 224369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The A..Z commands can be redefined by loading fingerprints. They have a general contract (of sorts) that they reflect on error, but of course for many fingerprints there are often instructions that never fail. < 1425052429 851242 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use pkill -9 firefox when firefox has started swapping and is threatening to hang my system. < 1425052527 824195 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Do you need swap? < 1425052643 944083 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only 2GB memory < 1425052759 661305 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs need morethan that, but unlike Firefox they don't need it all at once < 1425052864 50530 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I see. Perhaps you could run firefox with a resource limit on memory if you know its behavior in this regard? < 1425052931 620510 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that, it doesn't seem to work well. If only I could ban firefox from swap while letting other procs use it < 1425053014 552081 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425053041 287464 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1425053070 531307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok < 1425053183 304907 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425053236 713922 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe the problem would be less if I made a sawp file on a n SD card... < 1425053257 526931 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are all your strings backwards. < 1425053262 80279 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fizzie  < 1425053318 15993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It's Befunge. < 1425053323 307854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You know, stacks. < 1425053327 503330 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're 0"gnirts"es < 1425053364 81238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not by convention put all strings in < direction then < 1425053385 722581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the fun in that < 1425053391 215589 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1425053419 248576 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425053469 70901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where fun < 1425053469 253772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about fun. < 1425053622 386698 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge <@."hello" < 1425053632 848105 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1425053639 381564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge: not found < 1425053699 363921 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly strings should all be in ^ direction < 1425053769 124081 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`funge <@_.<0"hello" < 1425053769 690106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: funge: not found < 1425053812 332504 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo: forward strings don't work in befunge < 1425054289 26592 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425054314 216984 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425054805 467529 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425054811 25237 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1425054811 171842 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425054898 598402 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425054952 372474 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425054958 964856 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1425055433 457962 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425055452 593281 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425055478 275829 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425056136 245082 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425056401 187155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425056402 812903 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425056702 110617 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425056873 254213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1425056980 620786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, this is some wild stuff. Like Haskell in Lisp-ish syntax. https://github.com/ympbyc/Carrot <-- i am pretty sure there used to exist a "liskell" < 1425057015 201445 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's been a couple. There's even a "Haskell Lisp" Twitter account. But sadly none seem to have ever gone anywhere. < 1425057093 463467 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1425057111 321320 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLs don't work well with lisp syntax < 1425057124 876304 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they usually use ML-like syntax < 1425057181 710296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1425057284 881168 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1425057737 391609 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425057750 37 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: is there a proof or something? < 1425057807 623564 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Well, what's weird about Carrot is, it does use an ML-like syntax, but with everything still being in prefix notation. < 1425057821 994 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So = is still the declaration operator... < 1425057830 674124 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also couldn't make heads or tails of the conditional syntax. < 1425057861 946788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (head ||| tail) < 1425057862 801552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either [[a]] [a] -> [a] < 1425057906 246947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t either < 1425057907 295598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> Either a b -> c < 1425057915 264818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (|||) < 1425057916 163473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArrowChoice a => a b d -> a c d -> a (Either b c) d < 1425057929 576879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess either is the specialization < 1425057958 231666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both < 1425057959 236406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Bitraversable.Bitraversable r, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> r a a -> f (r b b) < 1425057968 950568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&&&) < 1425057969 882300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow a => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') < 1425057974 337858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SYMMETRIC < 1425057992 588554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad naming, no cookie < 1425057994 745065 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why c' and not d? < 1425058031 91525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why indeed < 1425058104 150725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because c is not to c' as a is to b (because a is the arrow itself) < 1425058148 108731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, of course, ||| does it anyway < 1425058175 467922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: it's to confuse people < 1425058225 332572 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall a haskell manual stating "giving the type of a simple function is usually enough to understand what it does" < 1425058263 672614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be very simple and very polymorphic, though < 1425058265 204459 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if I knew what Arrow meant I'd understand though so that's ok < 1425058282 563523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow is kind of a mess < 1425058290 643382 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1425058328 501804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in afterthought it is like a mix of Applicative and Category, but not exactly the former because it has an extra argument < 1425058330 872278 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I don't even know what "a b c" means < 1425058360 749823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good approximation is to say a = (->), so a b c = (b -> c) < 1425058366 930323 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1425058378 603493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the arrow used for 90% of use cases, anyhow. < 1425058395 476694 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1425058418 227428 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so &&& merges two functions or something < 1425058426 247598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it turns out that several of the Arrow methods happened to be useful, not already defined functions for the (->) case) < 1425058429 376430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425058444 414121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ &&& pred) 'b' < 1425058445 812362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('c','a') < 1425058465 305977 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1425058469 854042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ *** pred) ('b', 'K') < 1425058471 67571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('c','J') < 1425058474 157555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't already defined _because_ Arrow existed early enough in the library that people didn't bother to define specializations < 1425058558 222478 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ||| despecializes < 1425058579 483542 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes two functions and merges the domains < 1425058595 305306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ ||| chr) (Left 'a') < 1425058596 792572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1425058608 323873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ ||| chr) (Right 48) < 1425058609 625595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '0' < 1425058626 522199 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1425058775 603353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Arrow was invented before Applicative and had some of the same intended uses, so when the latter got more popular Arrow (which is really complicated in comparison) got much less use except for the (->) specializations < 1425058789 213660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both can be used for parsers, e.g.) < 1425058790 906469 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1425058820 710764 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example of when Arrow isn't -> ? < 1425058843 744649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Kleisli < 1425058844 610032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> m b) -> Kleisli m a b < 1425058862 466474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when m is a Monad, Kleisli m is an Arrow < 1425058921 322350 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1425058927 38146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these days we just use Applicative instead? that's good, because I know what Applicative does. < 1425058945 626037 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you for the lesson :) < 1425058952 345104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Kleisli $ \x -> [x]) &&& (Kleisli $ \x -> [x+1]) $ 3 < 1425058953 795601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘s0 -> t’ < 1425058953 941775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Control.Arrow.Kleisli [] c'0 (c'0, c'0)’ < 1425058954 470065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's like a burrito) < 1425058957 653933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1425058999 824655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a sense in which Arrow = Applicative + Category + a law or two < 1425059045 955704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um... ok < 1425059051 947328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I understand that but ok < 1425059066 167058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first of all every Arrow is a Category < 1425059096 780088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly, if a is an Arrow then a b is morally an Applicative < 1425059125 160397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although haskell's class system doesn't allow this to be expressed as a superclass) < 1425059151 886864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can define the functions going back and forth < 1425059158 480144 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limits of hskell < 1425059201 79681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you need some extra laws to get the full Arrow laws < 1425059257 845026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cdsmith.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/arrow-category-applicative-part-i/ < 1425059265 358803 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425059307 652078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and does it work backwards too? can you take any Applicable m => m and make an Arrow a => a from it such that a b c is similar to b -> m c ? < 1425059327 148412 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1425059336 153511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's what you said Kleisli does < 1425059346 274561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no Kleisli needs Monad < 1425059373 64457 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to write a binary counter in Brainfuck with a non-wrapping implementation < 1425059376 158071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need Category as well, and some compatibility laws < 1425059407 969335 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it throws an error if you decrement from zero or increment from 255) < 1425059431 422877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: well you should be able to do it with just 0,1 values :P < 1425059459 572517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you want internal padding < 1425059493 235636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 bit0 1 bit1 1 bit2 ... bitn 0 < 1425059509 243333 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a fixed length < 1425059514 106135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1425059531 304037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can do without the padding then, in principle < 1425059547 292437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably may need a temporary cell somewhere, though < 1425059558 264134 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, I can't figure out how to check for 1s without decrementing from zero. < 1425059595 61578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :juse use a couple of temp cells < 1425059634 393406 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1425059638 654080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's better with temp cells < 1425059722 460664 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't get how temp cells would help < 1425059767 229721 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425059772 608258 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like dempster-shafer theory < 1425059802 404376 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to convert a number under 32 to its binary representation. < 1425059811 739696 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a lookup table < 1425059827 227491 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck? < 1425059849 406480 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1425059851 895216 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a code golf thing btw < 1425059865 12769 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh then don't use a lookup table < 1425059943 144842 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use a binary counter < 1425059958 808812 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have trouble figuring out how to do that in a non-wrapping implementation < 1425059971 447712 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(checking for 1s without decrementing from 0) < 1425060039 138046 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :check for zero, then decrement, then check for zero again? < 1425060066 999264 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1425060093 188790 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could... have a 0 cell before/after every 'binary cell' < 1425060099 445974 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then increment to 2 if it's 0 < 1425060104 262844 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrement < 1425060105 455928 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check < 1425060134 868674 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you need a zero cell handy anytime you want to do an if instead of a while < 1425060142 457410 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1425060245 833506 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait lol < 1425060254 823126 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got confused there < 1425060259 146328 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I said doesn't make sense < 1425060274 637798 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an 'if-nonzero', not 'if-zero' < 1425060335 464126 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make much difference except the order of blocks < 1425060344 219063 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1425060372 667534 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of, if-zero is ] [ right? < 1425060379 967335 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425060420 328764 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen: something like >(moving to zerocell) ] [ < 1425060492 273182 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry no [<]>[ ... ] < 1425060512 151537 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1425060519 585262 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1425060530 671497 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about [-<]+ < 1425060538 974776 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be a binary counter? < 1425060545 840352 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(going left) < 1425060580 718224 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then returning to the original cell... somehow < 1425060584 540230 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you reset to the first cell before it < 1425060620 852503 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some postioning data in a parallel set of cells < 1425060628 311873 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1425060631 486901 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got it < 1425060639 665196 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1425060645 47830 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a group of 'filled' cells to the right < 1425060657 253646 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fixed-size binary counter to the left (5 bits) < 1425060671 229182 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just do >>>>>>[<]> to return to the original cell < 1425060696 1143 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming there's a 0 cell between them < 1425060702 225751 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1425060743 638775 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean >>>>>[<]> < 1425060846 27771 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425060900 966055 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425061103 928879 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425061384 643324 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if allocation and garbage collection were hardware features? < 1425061408 373860 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that'd be some slow hardware < 1425061463 653798 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1425061464 716714 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, what if you had a separate, primitive core that did the gc continuously < 1425061468 905182 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my binary converter seems to work < 1425061491 502969 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1425061521 716033 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"seems" to? < 1425061542 610150 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you test it on all 0-32 < 1425061552 62638 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm testing 31 now < 1425061599 602323 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1425061634 221487 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 doesn't obviously < 1425062098 229782 :oren!~oren@public-114-176.nat.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1425062282 914169 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425062367 80912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge <@_.<0"hello" < 1425062386 956096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 0 < 1425062424 482045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! funge98 <@_.<0"hello" < 1425062428 880969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/funge98: not found < 1425062437 563512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 <@_.<0"hello" < 1425062445 421475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1425062462 789346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1425062748 74236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1425062781 882621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsopia < 1425063196 704268 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1425063404 600645 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425063885 297170 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425064092 178120 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425064842 355625 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425064842 502950 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1425064867 601991 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425064879 763208 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1425065762 684641 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1425066527 372190 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425067805 954931 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.hackerrank.com/challenges/baconian-cipher < 1425067816 467414 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made a 209-character solution < 1425067829 326263 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty proud of myself :P < 1425067836 391108 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425067845 846606 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since I've never seriously done anything in brainfuck before < 1425067933 356730 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to write programs that /write/ BF prgorams, but i have not tried to write bf prgrams. < 1425067970 8222 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.hackerrank.com/challenges/baconian-cipher I just did this challenge < 1425067980 101452 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution is 209 characters < 1425067985 804555 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could probably shorten it a bit < 1425068026 556679 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. If I'm reading that correctly, isn't that just 5-bit text encoding? < 1425068035 429069 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is < 1425068054 906616 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language?? < 1425068059 52560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of BF < 1425068059 749975 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1425068061 646001 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I needed the binary conversion for < 1425068067 625980 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1425068073 459064 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldnt write this in BF at all, let alone 200 chars < 1425068081 371141 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackerrank's implementation has no wrapping < 1425068086 268070 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes the challenge harder < 1425068092 201660 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't write jack squat in BF. < 1425068105 373673 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TieSoul/17f9670ed239ad94f2be/raw/1d3ea0c59b409b76a70f3ba8140f9e26619c0298/bacon.b < 1425068108 403805 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my solution < 1425068120 97020 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might have a stab at it in F# just for fun. Give me an excuse to try out fsharp-mode in emacs now that I've got the intellisense working. < 1425068145 312867 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably do a Ruby/Python one liner < 1425068151 107626 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1425068159 409121 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use an advanced editor, J_arcane. < 1425068188 400871 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect sarcasm ... ;) < 1425068193 300239 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have synatax highlighting < 1425068205 290646 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I use mcedit < 1425068244 101514 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my score is... 95.84! < 1425068246 276401 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so emacs is very advanced compared to what i use, no saracsm < 1425068248 581704 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I use really depends on the language. < 1425068248 862521 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost a hundred! < 1425068261 396526 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at leaderboard < 1425068271 888897 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> people with scores of 98.46 < 1425068273 15538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1425068275 367538 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1425068294 372616 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1425068297 910585 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in 40th place! < 1425068299 941233 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1425068358 877669 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1425068958 352129 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1425069151 622319 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1425069224 983377 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425069518 865355 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language in which it is impossible to write an interpreter for a language unless that language is TC < 1425069562 652618 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's impossible < 1425069571 28596 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1425069595 742975 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... hmm, no, it's not *obviously* impossible. < 1425069603 860414 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you maintain a source/input distinction < 1425069618 722693 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would be very surprised if you could do that < 1425069634 218438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZ < 1425069760 731438 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425069783 952400 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. trivially, a restricted compiler for any language, which only accepts the source code of a BF interpreter < 1425069797 75846 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on whether that is your only restriction. < 1425069809 575544 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is only impossible to write ONE interpreter for ONE language, that's easy :) < 1425069836 355598 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a language which will accept ANY interpreter for ANY TC language, but will reject any other program is a halting problem solver. < 1425069929 591273 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, you either managed to make it trivial and uninteresting *or* impossible. < 1425069932 575973 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be even worse than that actually. it basically has to tell whether the halting problem is unsolvable on the langugae defined by its input program. < 1425070003 404191 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. DOES the haltingproblem thing go both ways? < 1425070013 587187 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425070035 447416 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there languages where the halting problem is unsolvable, but the language is not TC? < 1425070058 939905 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1425070069 821183 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are undecidable problems in context-free grammars < 1425070305 993148 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pentacom.jp/pentacom/bitfontmaker2/ < 1425070316 783619 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this site is awesome < 1425071227 666148 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I just use a generic bitmap editor < 1425071315 106430 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doeing it with mtpaint < 1425071334 531649 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this thing is way easier if a little limited < 1425071381 440482 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wee! I have my char lookup table now. < 1425071640 455263 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i made an utterly insane font, which I posted a screenshot of earlier < 1425071691 290083 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game one? < 1425071693 903923 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or another one? < 1425071715 771205 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new one: < 1425071730 898469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: where's the screenshot? < 1425071742 393767 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/GZVB3.jpg < 1425071747 380945 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres a new screen < 1425071779 471471 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really hard to read < 1425071781 967687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks strange < 1425071791 207737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not very hard to read actually < 1425071791 673135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the t and h < 1425071798 429320 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses underdot instead of capitals < 1425071808 125354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the v looks ugly to me < 1425071809 523002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apart from t and h I guess it's fairly readable < 1425071827 117608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is also a bit weird < 1425071829 700760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bout the f < 1425071836 613869 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain really doesn't like the way "that" looks < 1425071845 72335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: nice, thank you for sharing < 1425071887 789526 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the f isn't too bad for me from a readability perspective < 1425071960 219253 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made this bitmap font a while ago: http://xen.firefly.nu/up/pixfont/index.html < 1425071971 723215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what does the "z" look like? "z" is ugly in many fonts but you don't find that out from screenshots like this < 1425071974 842021 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I didn't try it out properly until yesterday < 1425072006 727441 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1425072040 857462 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./~!@#$%^&*()_+QWERTYUIOP{}|ASDFGHJKL:"ZXCVBNM<>? < 1425072041 854843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/1234567890-=qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./~!@#$%^&*()_+QWERTYUIOP{}|ASDFGHJKL:"ZXCVBNM<>?: No such file or directory < 1425072070 905633 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's one way to do it < 1425072113 49476 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/0dBxW.jpg < 1425072136 706583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1425072149 543915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that dollar sign is ugly < 1425072157 67637 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice ampersand < 1425072191 996723 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425072294 338566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425072294 485361 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the font file for pasting into the editor https://gist.github.com/orenwatson/55b014da50347d032b1f < 1425072312 487174 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hais! < 1425072384 7003 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should try to convert my bitmap font to a proper font file < 1425072408 131475 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again the numbers are the way I write them... < 1425072409 361690 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425072436 506884 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except I usually put a dot in my zeros < 1425072563 167367 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly: thta font is nice and small < 1425072606 479015 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like small fonts when I'm programming < 1425072663 10036 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer larger fonts personally, but I wanted to make a small but legible bitmap font for platforms where screen space is more limited < 1425072674 412922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: wait, I have an old crazy font I'd like to show to you < 1425072756 994970 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I like fonts that conserve vertical space < 1425072778 898808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for smallness, I have this thing I made a long time ago: http://xen.firefly.nu/up/pixel-font.png < 1425072791 442304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it uses manual anti-aliasing so it kinda doesn't count < 1425072823 927667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprisingly legible for being 3x5px glyphs, to me anyway < 1425072842 985332 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty damn good < 1425072949 341679 :hassa-aravit!~cinch@ec2-52-11-105-153.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425073040 973088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The S looks pretty ugly, hmm < 1425073092 251019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a 3x5 (well, 4x6 cell) font too, for rfk86. < 1425073175 918786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/rfk86/ should render using it, if things work out right. < 1425073189 766789 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy < 1425073347 254274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the lowercase s/z trick it uses, which I think I adapted (or even just copied) from mooz's TI-86 befunge interpreter. < 1425073531 650349 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1425073552 508032 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1425073659 263333 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425073726 383510 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it shouldn't be too hard to tweak my JS thing to generate a BDF font file < 1425073811 919209 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425073908 222771 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425074053 514373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/stickfont-screenshot0.png < 1425074076 781353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 16x9 font because I originally used it for VGA console < 1425074089 232327 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425074093 83276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for serious purposes though, it was always intended as a silly font < 1425074108 664174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1425074116 262288 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. double-struck < 1425074123 254238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425074135 847753 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part 1: http://rextester.com/UUWO55700 < 1425074178 385276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't draw more characters than what you can see there though < 1425074225 522320 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1425074231 776518 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425074252 697801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that small font looks nice < 1425074268 670160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not sure I like the "S" < 1425074285 44915 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a little too light isnt it? < 1425074288 388687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor the way the N and H look very similar < 1425074312 502163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "S" is too closed, that is, the top and bottom curve too much down < 1425074335 228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the N and H might be a bigger problem though < 1425074387 456813 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425074391 890645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425074405 699480 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1425074485 685888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the 3×5 one, or the bigger one? < 1425074495 596646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in the 3x5 one < 1425074511 717528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I like the “Munka és béke” poem (displayed in that screenshot) partly because it has almost every letter, and has most letters in both the first four lines and the last four lines, which is quite remarkable for such a short poem. < 1425074519 258212 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1425074527 188396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not really a pangram, but close. < 1425074531 716028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful for demonstrations like this. < 1425074577 527911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poems for demoing charsets reminds me of Iroha < 1425074596 746350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: is that the Japanese one that helps demo kana? < 1425074601 595480 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1425074602 184751 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1425074612 765333 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses every syllable exactly once < 1425074640 112533 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now contains ones that don't exist in modern japanese like wi < 1425074661 535723 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, wi does occur in names, like arawi keiichi) < 1425074700 607646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if using every syllable exactly once is possible in English < 1425074701 234097 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425074704 274232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it might be < 1425074737 201356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are too many syllables so you'd need a longer text, which is hard without reusing “the” more than twice < 1425074765 798121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you'd have to avoid common words < 1425074774 633201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but long English prose that avoids common words has been done before < 1425074774 993802 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you can write a book without using the letter 'e'... < 1425074781 462863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the great thing about that book < 1425074786 430790 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the translations < 1425074788 977422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it's a translation of a French book that also doesn't use the letter 'e' < 1425074790 507476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425074799 429174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1425074801 828769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :('e' is the most common letter in French too, IIRC) < 1425074803 219995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425074810 67358 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/tRIpP.jpg < 1425074816 55195 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I usually say when that book is bought up--the translator's job is more impressive than originally writing it < 1425074824 332852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font works well at small sizes too < 1425074838 649316 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to say that authoring it isn't also impressive) < 1425074892 42452 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without 'e' in FRENCH?? very impressive, < 1425074927 490816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun part of Munka és béke is that it has two variants. The other variant has an “ű” but doesn't have “ő” in exchange < 1425074938 819901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that can't be true < 1425074947 995022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two “ő” so one must remain < 1425074960 610886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have some other letter < 1425074969 483754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait let me check < 1425075061 113925 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a quine in Haskell < 1425075093 516025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it has “ű” but doesn't lose anything in exchange? < 1425075105 473392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I seem to remember it wasn't more close to a pangram than this version < 1425075123 506359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, I'm too tired to figure it out now < 1425075137 8050 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are 3 versions? < 1425075149 9797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not 'e' in French also mean doesn't have any 'e' with accent mark too, or not? < 1425075185 332396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: could be, but I only know of two < 1425075378 621834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any Z-machine implementation that actually supports small-endian other than ZORKMID? < 1425075389 497107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ZORKMID does support big-endian too) < 1425075411 658127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it called "little-endian"? < 1425075474 303556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I called it "small-endian"; Infocom called them "byte-swapped" story files (and as far as I know, never created any such story files nor ever implemented an interpreter that would support them). < 1425075521 13527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1425075581 350739 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425075892 275758 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425076289 847917 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425076342 580938 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425076726 337254 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e is far more common in french than in english, i reckon < 1425076748 414443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: does that include é and ê and è or not? < 1425076788 641308 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum probably < 1425076810 876907 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure they make a relevant difference though < 1425076859 413076 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's also just based on my impressions as a native french speaker < 1425076864 824599 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425076888 664921 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's easier to write in alexandrines than without the letter e < 1425076906 316461 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1425076983 616006 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425077111 269291 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-228.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425077834 157819 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't think it's possible to do an 8×5 monochrome '½' that doesn't look like crap... < 1425077858 600086 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bar is too long imho < 1425077944 403427 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2015-02-27_235830.png here's my best attempt at ¼ ½ ¾ < 1425077966 443604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#....#.. < 1425077966 606036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#...#.## < 1425077966 752309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#..#...# < 1425077966 752443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..#...#. < 1425077966 752520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.#....## < 1425077968 870696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1425077974 820627 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hm < 1425077976 168278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's better. < 1425077977 806885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1425077995 815950 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I meant 8-high and 5-wide < 1425078000 900539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oops. < 1425078028 806595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try < 1425078102 906229 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just tilt your head right" < 1425078127 373063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M---- < 1425078127 519344 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you designing a game boy? < 1425078128 832870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M---- < 1425078130 343568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M---- < 1425078131 854008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M---- < 1425078133 315710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :---MM < 1425078134 781530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :----M < 1425078136 248173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :---M- < 1425078137 899753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :---MM < 1425078152 801077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick's to leave out the slash < 1425078157 663870 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever < 1425078160 740179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.##.. < 1425078160 886603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..#.. < 1425078160 886726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..#.. < 1425078160 886806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :##### < 1425078160 886880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.##.. < 1425078163 43019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...#. < 1425078165 598094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..#.. < 1425078168 113262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.###. < 1425078170 543289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1425078173 62641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ais523 is cheating < 1425078184 161770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm juts being creative < 1425078185 925755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1425078195 466157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my glyph: [0.5 just mashed into the available space] < 1425078204 170807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"0.5", that is. < 1425078213 927592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.... < 1425078214 73678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :X...X < 1425078214 73792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :X..X. < 1425078214 73868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.X.. < 1425078214 73942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.X.XX < 1425078216 430915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :X...X < 1425078218 933959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...X. < 1425078221 437542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...XX < 1425078247 636082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2 works, but the rest is hard :) < 1425078258 953571 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's try was friendlier to proportionate fonts irc clients < 1425078275 228355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I use a proportional font in my client < 1425078275 742087 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the 2 to be hardest actually < 1425078297 88224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, this reminds me of a table I saw on a proportional-font-using forum < 1425078307 526965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used ' and ` as spacers in order to make all the columns line up < 1425078308 655872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "leave something out" trick is a good one, it's the basis for the rfk86 s/z too. < 1425078311 347498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the proportional font < 1425078331 735519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that reminds me of the trick I used when trying to fit the whole alphabet on a 7-segment display < 1425078334 77904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for M and W < 1425078344 997105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(M was the top segment, middle segment, and the two lower sides) < 1425078352 523418 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: the font? I had the TI-84 in mind at first, now I'm just adding some more glyphs because I was happy with how it turned out < 1425078386 900991 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1425078412 329211 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we generate a new font < 1425078414 794288 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a ti-84 but it was stolen during mardi gras in prepschool < 1425078421 977325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that Windows 3.1 shipped with a set of raster fonts of very small sizes < 1425078455 126077 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric < 1425078578 440650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a script somewhere for IRCing with the rfk86 font, based on the 2x2 Unicode quarter-block things. < 1425078631 936843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the full set of them, so 3 lines is enough for a font 6 pixels high. < 1425078661 728393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/6x13frac.png .. the fixed font here also leaves out the / (or bar) < 1425078663 431471 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do better if you abuse the Braille Unicode block < 1425078675 668934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing with a speech recognizer again < 1425078684 730641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1425078685 867544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but of course those extra vertical pixels help a lot < 1425078686 907476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives you 8×2 "pixels" per character < 1425078691 248350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Fleur < 1425078701 230144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Fleur: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1425078703 588581 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that link gives not found error for me < 1425078706 936078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy birthday 30 pussy Busy Busy fizzy < 1425078715 494370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliot how did you get the backtick < 1425078719 473052 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankye, hullo :3 < 1425078725 213397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: right, forgot to press enter for the scp command. should be ok now. < 1425078726 322023 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey i have an idea lets make an esoteric font < 1425078752 587578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have improved the voice typing < 1425078761 899478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders whether to remove the fractional slash or keep his current glyphs < 1425078764 331812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: OK, what are you going to put on it, and is it METAFONT or PC 8x8 bitmap font or whatever? < 1425078769 366535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this is far less hilarious than last time < 1425078772 403332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do alternate characters < 1425078790 672951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fleur: came here from the wiki? < 1425078799 835708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I believe you'll find that it's 4x2 pixels < 1425078800 156517 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I thought it could be generated randomly, by trying to find a set of images which look very different (by some metric) < 1425078801 768125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this phone just has a better microphone < 1425078807 464615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. yes, I meant that < 1425078818 34304 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425078847 640455 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sort of - I've always loved browsing the wiki for pleasure, and then nortti told me there was an IRC channel so I thought I'd join < 1425078888 811686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are significantly fwer brainfuck derivatives here < 1425078897 71425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also significantly fewer esolangs in general though really... < 1425078899 131956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fewer < 1425078905 512637 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fleur, did you invent any esolangs or have some favorites < 1425078958 685100 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't really have any particular favourites, I just keep clicking the random page button until something catches my eye :P < 1425078985 420566 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have attempted in the past to create my own (but nothing has particularly taken off further than ideas in my mind) < 1425079013 727554 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :) < 1425079024 664888 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1425079185 999317 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flellour! first time on the channel? < 1425079194 292976 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am I allowed to delete the pages of brainfuck derivatives I made or would that be vandalism? < 1425079215 972696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: if they suck, I personally wouldn't mind < 1425079222 177787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you don't have the permissions to delete pages < 1425079227 99859 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1425079234 857250 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind then < 1425079237 537989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put {{delete}} on them, if there's been no significant activity from others on them < 1425079240 607000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll delete them for yo < 1425079305 310372 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, how many are we talking < 1425079340 66168 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1425079624 601458 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425079625 866900 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont do it! < 1425079887 256959 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she left. we had a talkative newcomer... < 1425080199 657138 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1425080798 637054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1425081751 432830 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425081789 561552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. how am i going to overwrite my OS with this one if ubi-partman always crashes :( < 1425081919 886612 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425081932 819680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425081934 345634 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1425082214 571804 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1425082460 180053 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1425082468 965045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an ubi-partman? < 1425082498 817053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some partition manager < 1425082515 553230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm having trouble even getting the graphics to boot < 1425082515 710830 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not gparted? < 1425082518 7975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought experiment: someone new joins the channel, claiming to be really interested in an obscure bad esolang < 1425082522 498221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this so hard < 1425082530 321602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad does it have to be before you assume they are / they are in league with its creator? < 1425082544 776510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: don't worry. partitioning is either the simplest thing, or the hardest thing. < 1425082555 974787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant this entire process < 1425082568 432874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :partitioning will be easy if i can even GET to that point < 1425082580 525967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of my friends has a desktop. I don't want to touch that desktop anymore. the boot process on that thing greatly surpasses my necromancy skills.) < 1425082582 586219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i'm just going to wipe every thing and start over < 1425082609 873923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now all i'm getting is a screen that keeps flashing < 1425082616 372885 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that might describe my first visit to the channel < 1425082619 190945 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you haven't done it yet, burn an image of grml on a disc or stick, and boot that. this distro is magic. < 1425082625 161594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: which language was it? < 1425082629 930033 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Migol 09 < 1425082638 220643 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it should most verily probably solve almost all your problems. < 1425082644 473827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: magic how < 1425082645 701057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost used in the mathematical sense.) < 1425082656 444207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1425082682 157810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implies that the number of possible problems is infinite < 1425082682 977863 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it has heavy hardware autodetection, with manual options in case your machine is rebarbative and resists your dominance. < 1425082693 376560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the number of possible problems is really a large finite number < 1425082698 244116 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said that the set of possible problems is finite. < 1425082711 224268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :large finite numbers are good approximations of infinity. < 1425082714 477175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425082725 56504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1425082736 720464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :every finite number i know is much less than infinity < 1425082796 4822 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :large numbers either hit NaN or Infty. therefore, they are good approximations. < 1425082824 620396 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that, you really should get a copy of grml. < 1425082845 399179 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have any sentimental attachment towards grml, I swear. < 1425082888 542455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a sentimental attachment to the obsolete system i am replacing < 1425082954 353107 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sequences of large finite numbers are a good approximation of infinity < 1425082958 944844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425082973 338644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425083003 949248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: only infinite sequences! but that's beggaring the question! < 1425083115 454791 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: are you trying to tell ihatehex he's a value virgin? < 1425083163 789479 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i'm just complaining about people hinting at problems they are trying to solve without actually saying what problem it is < 1425083392 50438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i've broken this usb drive by trying to boot from it >.> < 1425083457 667451 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can happen < 1425083601 359794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked once, but now it only ever goes into an infinite loop of turning the display off and on (sleep/wake). i will deal with this another day. < 1425085064 575913 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425085276 628136 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1425085288 312085 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1425085407 352083 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425085416 469263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425086736 4341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant URL for the content, but for anyone interested in esoprogramming in Magic: the Gathering, this page trying to find the largest non-infinite combo in Magic is pretty amusing: http://www.rpgdl.com/metroidcomposite/phpconversion.php < 1425086773 314999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1425087417 327268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425087418 844315 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425087446 770616 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1425088644 171789 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1425088751 308874 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1425089816 333500 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425089817 944658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425090146 535342 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425090265 351442 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425090280 100123 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1425092264 418790 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just in-- woman asks what color dress is, internet goes down in flaming ruins < 1425092327 410091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is some sort of huge meme < 1425092337 718263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I've seen it be brought up unprompted in like 4 different places < 1425092423 61475 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically people can't all agree on whether the dress is white and gold (me) or blue and black < 1425092451 313552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on what? seeing it in person? photos? < 1425092462 676894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with photos it could literally be white and gold in one, and blue and black in another, depending on lighting < 1425092472 694356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swiked.tumblr.com/post/112073818575/guys-please-help-me-is-this-dress-white-and < 1425092480 548231 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this photo specifically < 1425092539 729190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that depends a lot on gamma < 1425092553 315195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're viewing it on a laptop screen, try changing your viewing angle < 1425092558 720112 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/emmyrossum/status/571128558325608448 < 1425092575 587667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's black and blue when viewed from below, white and gold when viewed from above < 1425092594 312152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so different people could genuinely be seeing different colours < 1425092608 921230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT how did that happen < 1425092646 789538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess what's happened is that the Internet hasn't discovered the existence of gamma yet < 1425092654 25808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, fwiw, I see it as blue and gold in an in-between gamma) < 1425092920 306793 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the screen angle is causing it, maybe different people naturally hold their tablets at different angles < 1425092946 843637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425092958 720559 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tablets that use IPS shouldn't be affected by viewing angle < 1425092963 523506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistent gamma based on viewing angle is one of the major disadvantages of LCDs < 1425093180 241876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so tempted to make a screenshot to prove that it's blue and black :P < 1425093306 670473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use the xkcd colour classification chart, perhaps? < 1425093314 583671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure the whole three-color-dimensional thing is public < 1425093470 745925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lengthy (though not very substantial) articles about this... http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/read/there-is-the-dress-and-only-the-dress < 1425093609 977054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant see white and gold at any angle < 1425093618 818700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on any screen < 1425093793 516310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, one way to think about it < 1425093797 797582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know whether this was accidential (an actual photograph that was hopelessly overexposed) or deliberate. < 1425093800 720751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that white and blue are adjacent colors (in between, you just have light blues) < 1425093805 803746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and likewise, black and gold are adjacent < 1425093816 639014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there have to be some colors that land right on the boundary < 1425094172 114315 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha! I jury rigged an LCD monitor SIDEWAYS and it doesn't have the problem. (instead the colrs shift with left-right viewing angle) < 1425094315 773006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that counts :-) < 1425094328 989624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that sounds awful < 1425094384 771305 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I taped the mount on the bottom to the wall with a lot of duck tape < 1425094574 420552 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might keep it like this < 1425094617 56324 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: . < 1425094906 624646 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/509633 < 1425095130 146193 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nahhh it does'nt work with fullscreen < 1425095230 934600 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, what If I took two and taped them side-by side < 1425095302 16951 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if each one is 16:9 then the result would be 18:16 < 1425095410 119416 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would need to knock together a wooden frame to hold them, too much work < 1425095540 376061 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple screens h ave other problems. < 1425096179 239755 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can also tape the monitor over my head < 1425096209 704100 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that workd < 1425096248 756639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TAPERED CHICKEN < 1425096288 894545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1425096401 588745 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it would be even more overhead, but I think i would need to find a stud to nail the monitor up < 1425096442 415957 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/509648 < 1425096483 434657 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1425096628 183745 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, maybe I can suppor the monitor overhead with a wooden frame < 1425096735 325184 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck do you want it overhead? < 1425096776 348897 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can be even more lazy and not even lift my head to loom at my screen < 1425096783 969143 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oom/ook < 1425096786 219730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deviating Percolator14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42064&oldid=42000 5* 03AJF 5* (+56) 10/* Expressions */ Munroe algorithm < 1425097046 482576 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1425097136 452229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I turned my font into a proper one; here's what IRC looks like: http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2015-02-28_051818.png < 1425097276 916269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font is not bad < 1425097310 29696 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1425097405 892930 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm positively surprised < 1425098053 545277 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425098071 900140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to send something to sprunge now I get a HTML document back instead of the proper response; the HTML document says "503 Over Quota" on it. < 1425098125 490512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: presumably you've uploaded too much to sprunge, and it isn't accepting any more right now < 1425098138 410568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that should be a 4xx rather than 5xx code < 1425098149 723535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1425098153 59725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the user error code is < 1425098160 346860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe those are 5xx < 1425098226 646443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When am I supposed to try again? < 1425098257 184938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Please try again later." but I don't know what time < 1425098340 573232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even such a simple HTML document is full of worthless junk < 1425098403 754315 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425098422 610134 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425099472 544717 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called markup because it's so expensive to parse < 1425099549 403783 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please try again harder." < 1425099612 213468 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425100308 458180 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425101062 648907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any Magic: the Puzzling that involves conceding and/or subgames? < 1425101116 426334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it; conceding doesn't fit into the normal 1v1 setups, and in order to work out what would happen in a subgame, you'd need to know what's in the opponent's deck < 1425101176 748842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although some puzzles tell you what's in the opponent's deck; there are also things you can use to affect the opponent's library before the subgame starts. < 1425101216 842182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The possibility to concede also might be important if there are subgames < 1425101242 762188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you are making a puzzle involving Team vs Team instead of 1v1 < 1425101516 950808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is even necessary to concede a subgame you have started, and to somehow stop your opponent from conceding before you have completed what you need to do, perhaps by making opponent have only 1 life point in the main game, and then if Shahrazad is used they will lose half, rounded up < 1425101916 272416 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shahrazad? How many other cards refer to reality like that? < 1425101943 254680 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, real literature anyway < 1425101994 866275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some very old flavor texts do refer to real literature < 1425102043 800187 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit therea re cards alled "jihad" and "army of allah" how did they get away with that?!?!? < 1425102060 863454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are very old < 1425102070 800542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there is a card "Aladdin" < 1425102101 340882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the origin arabian nights stories are out of copyright by now < 1425102130 688533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even outside of the Arabian Nights set, some old cards referenced older literature including Shakespeare and the Bible and a few others < 1425102278 88855 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they got away with it because they came out the year I was born... the whole war hadn't started yet < 1425102365 374320 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how "king suleiman" is a card. < 1425102392 157017 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he was a completely real person, but from CENTURIES later < 1425102574 882824 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He appears as a enemy ai character in aOE3 < 1425102580 911052 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AOE3 < 1425102636 619230 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425102786 839250 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting to scroll chronologically through the versions of a card. Like apparently before I was playing, there was a period where "destroy, it can't be regenerated" was shortened to "bury" < 1425102866 195297 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But before that, it was originally "destroy, it can't regenerate" < 1425102915 404489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original "Flight" said "Target creature is now a flying creature." < 1425102942 602221 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425103059 652459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original text of "Black Lotus" didn't list an activation cost; it said "Adds 3 mana of any single color of your choice to your mana pool, then is discarded. Tapping this artifact can be played as an interrupt." < 1425103079 708192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's because it had "mono artifact" on its type line < 1425103095 195177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that anything that looks like a tap ability in its text box is a tap ability < 1425103119 592833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, "mono artifact" means it can be activated by tapping in additional to any other activation costs if any. < 1425103146 990185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is also "poly artifct" which is similar but doesn't require tapping; however I think it still can't be used if it is already tapped < 1425103232 655549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is another thing too: Before the Alpha cards were even released, they originally had the activation costs printed next to the mana cost, and there was no "mono artifact" and "poly artifact" either; any card that did not require tapping to activate explicitly said so. < 1425103266 368415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing about the pre-Alpha cards is that the Plains had pictures of airplanes on them. < 1425103283 423460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know any of these things before? < 1425103544 197964 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... how the hell does "Copper Tablet"'s effect make any sense? < 1425103616 106506 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually better question: why does it say "does X damage" instead of "deals X damage" on old cards? < 1425103689 867898 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does damage" sounds childish to me somehow < 1425104032 790793 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok weirdest thing: one particular version of the card "wrath of god", instead of saying "destroy all creatures, they can't be regenerated", instead says "" < 1425104035 748731 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put all creatures into their owners' discard piles. (This includes your creatures.) < 1425104110 468636 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if that's equivalent < 1425104209 854868 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, assuming that regeneration refers to "destroying" a creature, then it might be < 1425104308 61798 :password2!~password@197.76.131.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425104327 19486 :password2!~password@197.76.131.131 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1425104363 187906 :password2!~password@197.76.131.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425104390 17116 :password2!~password@197.76.131.131 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1425104431 852357 :password2!~password@197.76.131.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425104601 741144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, repeated joining + Max SendQ exceeded is rarely a good sign < 1425104942 560434 :password2!~password@197.76.131.131 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425105501 998856 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:Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425122786 815269 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425122913 294484 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425122928 60036 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1425125553 904911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425125618 700274 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425126780 845164 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425128341 173171 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1425128619 879240 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1425129330 916380 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425129413 319269 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://t.co/etIIQZzvFQ < 1425129416 586436 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1425129420 319606 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unCQHAbGsAA < 1425129429 40879 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like to write a nethack bot < 1425129432 231195 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be alot of code < 1425129618 843645 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im curious how the sokoban bits are done... < 1425129626 926168 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are very hard to solve with a program < 1425129720 510049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always hardcode some bits < 1425129805 127020 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess the sokobans are hard coded, so the solver doesn't need to be general < 1425129850 850355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating sokoban puzzles is even harder (except for very small sizes, but then solving is still easy...) < 1425129930 78584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are some collections of automatically generated puzzles, based on the principle that one looks for long shortest solutions. They're somewhat interesting for humans to solve because the taxicab metric is generally useless for them.) < 1425129976 779293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there are more interesting puzzles, I'm not really up-to-date on this topic; perhaps ais523 knows more. < 1425129993 382993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... more interesting puzzle generators, that is. < 1425130485 821766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425130693 784393 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425130907 329289 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425131141 386329 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1425131368 186952 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425132406 656081 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's PSPACE-complete, so puzzles can contain an unlimited variety of interesting devices that are difficult to invent automatically. < 1425132851 566525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425133907 382088 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425134039 937275 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425134414 239366 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1425134517 358919 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1425135216 819329 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also beating nethack with a pudding farming dvalk... not exactly impressive < 1425135854 487484 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425136566 307474 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome villasukka < 1425136567 939383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06villasukka: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1425136894 99250 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425137079 541840 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425137363 963789 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1425137776 814068 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi vanila. < 1425137794 134434 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1425137824 611661 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it going? any news < 1425139212 668483 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425139624 409262 :^v!~notnot^v@pool-71-183-68-143.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425139747 346074 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVq295zKps < 1425139839 367431 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I still ought to make a compiler. < 1425139855 412137 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yestersay I tried to figure out some stuff about how IBNIZ works. < 1425139902 693182 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what compiler? < 1425139915 333551 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an esoteric language I want to make. < 1425139919 20578 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1425139924 422080 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like learning about compilers < 1425140062 955540 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make something < 1425140070 895749 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to have it compile to IBNIZ code, actually, which is one reason I was trying to start using IBNIZ's memory system. < 1425140084 323861 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As oppossed to just using stack commands. < 1425140290 978990 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1425140454 188853 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is annyoing. < 1425140473 253992 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try something out and it seems to work differently than when i tired the exact same thing last night. < 1425140483 728632 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1425140490 108489 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1425140545 221163 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425140612 501778 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm trying to do is take the time value, and store that in the memory cell equal to itself modulo the number of display pixels. < 1425140681 121553 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then take the X and Y values and turn them into a single number, each cooresponding to one of the same numbers. < 1425140712 59591 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425140728 866140 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the desired result being that the screen just gets slowly scanned over and filled. < 1425141457 623335 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1425141755 607467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1425141812 694991 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1425142192 297362 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1425142583 3559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1425142590 354654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1206) wait, is Pluso basically a more limited version of Deadfish? Deadfish minimization is not an area of esolang development I had really considered < 1425142919 541721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1425142920 602885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1124) kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar Wound up at my university's fetish society Didn't realise for an hour and a half < 1425142938 173160 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! my favourite Tanebquote :) < 1425142949 183980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was quite an evening < 1425142959 5075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over a year ago now, wow < 1425143221 745141 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone made the opposite mistake this year < 1425143307 388853 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:6081:ed7:70cd:1b88 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425143993 344584 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1425144139 271883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1425144272 635262 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euvtxnzmhiebqmqc JOIN :#esoteric < 1425144279 340810 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you ought to merge the two societies together to prevent unnecessary confusion hth < 1425144889 480101 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could send out fake invites inviting the sci-fi/fantasy people to a social at the same place and time whenever the fetish society does something, and vice versa < 1425146233 830544 :herbary!~herd@80.83.238.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425146243 793183 :herbary!~herd@80.83.238.79 PART :#esoteric < 1425146313 136877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1425146320 66745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ts work time < 1425146434 310646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the tla f9r quebec? < 1425146438 844988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluh < 1425146448 701240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the tla for quebec? < 1425147127 10739 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1425147181 245522 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1425147201 631055 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425147289 186641 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1425147690 992201 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SPREAD CHICKEN < 1425148035 931182 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425149146 932100 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425149183 903768 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized the Ibniz instruction manual mentions a "movesp" command that it does not actually describe. < 1425149197 981344 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425149408 962279 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425149940 1329 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric < 1425150283 617311 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425152784 302097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1425152803 582408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `()' with actual type `Maybe t1' < 1425152804 591900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the pattern: Nothing < 1425152809 37853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1425152809 927614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1425152817 21845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is Maybe t1 < 1425152822 656863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why the hell does it expect ()? < 1425152823 515711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1425152832 275040 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What language is it? < 1425152854 69178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: such complaints are useless without context. < 1425152867 52674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case () of Nothing -> () < 1425152868 199992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘()’ < 1425152868 346207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe t0’ < 1425153054 457367 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Just read about lambdabot. Interesting. So if I were to do... < 1425153057 710584 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1 < 1425153059 182332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1425153096 549097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: fwiw, I treat "Couldn't match expected type 'a' with actual type 'b'" symmetrically; it's hard to predict which of two mismatching types will be 'a' and which will be 'b' for a given type-incorrect program. < 1425153177 481061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: sorry, #esoteric becomes a secondary #haskell from time to time. < 1425153217 316668 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ...That's fine. Lambdabot does seem fun for people to play with, and judging by that error certainly esoteric :) < 1425153303 817337 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Course, maybe that's just a special case. What would "case () of Nothing" be useful for, exactly? < 1425153357 780869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: nothing. it was meant to illustrate, by a simple example, how the type error mroman was complaining about could arise in practice < 1425153386 121934 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1425153387 83542 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425153468 381183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f Nothing = 1; f () = 2 in undefined -- testing < 1425153469 623641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe t1’ < 1425153469 770202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘()’ < 1425153469 770341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include < 1425153488 45168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, plenty of possibilities. < 1425155022 834970 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1425155668 360753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425155682 915252 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm messing around with making a "light" esolang. One that won't hurt people's brains too much, but will compile to another esolang so they can study the results :) < 1425155840 8470 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425156229 277039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425156449 243250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1425156543 633299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see Dewcup resurface? < 1425156597 158522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yafgc has such a funny update style; rather than having a buffer, the updates tend to happen in batches...) < 1425156679 186763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425156679 441486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh and I'm now totally confused about the relative timing of the various stories.) < 1425156694 171611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there's a forum post with a chronology < 1425156715 406409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it's by chapter name, not comic numbers, so still a bit confusing < 1425156771 934869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, not confusing, but it makes it impossible to see where the actual jumps are, when you don't remember the _posting_ chronology < 1425156773 706645 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yet another freaking golf compiler"? < 1425156785 498838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantasy gamer comic hth < 1425156817 882384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of D&D based story like oots < 1425156842 878074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike oots, it doesn't take miles of text to get to a punchline < 1425156848 952248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better drawing (but usually sketches, not properly inked) and frequently somewhat nsfw < 1425156854 109905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I know I'm repeating myself there) < 1425156935 874098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the updates are whenever he has free time to draw, i take. and also the recent server move has taken a lot off that time. < 1425156941 902829 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The very first one is an indicator of how unsafe for work it gets, though maybe the Drow's dungeon (very SM) is worse. http://yafgc.net/comic/bob-meets-gren/ < 1425156961 204575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because he's individually reuploading and reindexing every comic < 1425157005 543439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i could say something about obvious lack of scripting skills, but otoh the new indexing system is pretty nice) < 1425157023 599028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he isn't finished yet, so some comics are actually missing from the new archive < 1425157131 727450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm was i the one who pointed you to yafgc? that makes at least two of your comics my fault, then :P < 1425157153 929292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I've been reading yafgc like forever. < 1425157158 169711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1425157174 337814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like" -- I really need to work on my English skills. < 1425157178 879302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was the other way around, then, i don't actually remember where i learned of its existence < 1425157196 823040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think that's pretty normal english in certain sociolects < 1425157219 821165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly you'd want it between commas < 1425157220 789703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It might have been an independent discovery. The comic isn't exactly hard to find. < 1425157248 790492 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1425157264 629592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. it was pretty old when i found it. i think it was in the middle of the vampire story. < 1425157276 726540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1425157288 916863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with the penanggalan < 1425157314 590296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there were some vampires earlier who moved in when lewie left) < 1425157383 671985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit confusing now with _both_ a bbs-like forum and comments on individual comics < 1425157426 854474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter having the annoying property that afaict you have to check every comic to see them. < 1425157493 775579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dewcup resurfacing near lewie was like pretty predictable < 1425157512 534683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm waiting to see how the meeting with ata goes < 1425157534 612630 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425157541 584702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make the connection(sic!) between that one underground cave and the other. < 1425157566 300012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think that was pretty ad hoc < 1425157582 662886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're meeting because the plot requires lewie to meet ata < 1425157599 305874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and of course we still have to see Dewcup's other half to turn up. That will be fun. I expect them both to be evil, but it's hard to predict. < 1425157623 807911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the other half is still in the tomb city < 1425157651 721842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've also lost track of the plot, because of all the stories inbetween. :) < 1425157657 493319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe, as some predicted on the forum, dewcup is so unrestrained that she simply doesn't have any repressed sides for a succubus to form with < 1425157707 88823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some years passed between dewcup getting captured and finding her way out < 1425157728 137144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i cannot say how many < 1425157770 629691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does the Ata priestess have to do with Kila, if anything? < 1425157856 102640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, knowing Dewcup's natural charm I bet the priestess didn't last a week before giving her the run of the place (in order to get her out of sight.) < 1425157857 901483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i suggest clicking on the link to Ata in the index for the comic < 1425158080 532021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should find it, since it's not on the _current_ comic < 1425158122 74278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1425158140 670166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um does that mean you found it < 1425158160 933817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yafgc.net/character/princess-ata/ anyway < 1425158219 866814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it meant that I found it. < 1425158246 588154 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425158340 479704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1425158370 194350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* the ventilation system has started making that annoying sound again. < 1425158371 599970 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425158487 755755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do incremental parsing with parsec? < 1425158507 67905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of incremental < 1425158532 627572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say what I want to parse comes from a stream < 1425158544 842971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very designed for it < 1425158546 633414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know if I have enough data present for parsing the next entry < 1425158561 847184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there might be one entry in the buffer + half of the next entry < 1425158562 363477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1425158570 93497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec can't really deal with that < 1425158574 407766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i _think_ you can do it by parsing with a monad transformer < 1425158600 441784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1425158605 808748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how that interacts with backtracking though < 1425158610 375390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can parsec return me as a string what it couldn't parse? < 1425158682 172338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1425158690 257198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always wrap everything in a try I guess < 1425158708 146593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't tell me how far it parsed < 1425158734 327383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1425158736 651126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lookAhead < 1425158762 797617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"attoparsec supports incremental parsing directly" < 1425158798 289944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15752243/incremental-parsing-from-handle-in-haskell < 1425158825 851341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Parsec, alas, doesn't." < 1425158958 583020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1425158966 253738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1425158973 725346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use try lookAhead I guess < 1425158992 113561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call getPosition to determine how far it parsed < 1425158995 191751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be ugly < 1425159000 7998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you *could* still do it < 1425159001 547872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is that true? http://hackage.haskell.org/package/parsec-3.1.8/docs/Text-Parsec.html#t:Stream looks like this is now possible, though I'm not sure it's possible to not store everything that was already read for potential backtracking... < 1425159017 896897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Returns the full parser state as a State record." < 1425159090 775035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the problem isn't _reading_ incrementally, but parsing incrementally if you need lookahead. < 1425159091 817348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1425159143 208415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec returns just one result, in bulk, and if that result used lookahead at the end your Stream will have read it, i think. < 1425159155 794521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so restarting won't do the right thing. < 1425159252 270644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it's a bit of both < 1425159270 762378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading on demand and returning partial results < 1425159321 383962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well you can totaly do that < 1425159323 428186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's getInput < 1425159325 201716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note also that that Stream class is a recent addition to Parsec, added in September last year, in version 3.1.6. < 1425159336 571093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's not likely to be lazy, though. < 1425159337 272546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> runParserWithString parseIt "(9 9)(8" < 1425159338 551363 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :("(8",RLON_Object (RLON_Integer 9) [RLON_Integer 9]) < 1425159352 818171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah < 1425159361 606106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :state <- getInput; return $ (state, rlon) < 1425159370 301792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is still on parsec-3.1.5 < 1425159372 582603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call the parser < 1425159391 916224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use getInput at the and of your parse function and return a tupel of the parsed stuff and a string of what's left to parse < 1425159392 751658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'm saying that you won't get lazy parsing this way < 1425159410 772676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I need lazy parsing? < 1425159431 476318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you are reading from a file... < 1425159466 72263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if you are reading from a list, will getInput just return it < 1425159484 582286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec isn't the only parsing library out there. I wonder if anybody has done a comprehensive survey... < 1425159545 345762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think try isn't that lazy anyway < 1425159550 207306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires backtracking after all < 1425159570 414717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so having a huge try will cause parsec anyway to keep the whole stuff in memory all the time < 1425159606 296533 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euvtxnzmhiebqmqc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1425159644 273991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need a dummy thing you can return when parsing failed < 1425159650 796306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. when nothing could be completely parsed) < 1425159658 616007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/LfQ80IF7 < 1425159665 647061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap the outermost parse function in a try < 1425159668 119343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i am thinking that you can parse a list incrementally in parsec by using ParsecT ... (Writer [...]) < 1425159673 270364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do (try outer) <|> (return DummyShit) < 1425159700 124199 :sdegutis!~sdegutis@unaffiliated/sdegutis JOIN :#esoteric < 1425159703 81690 :sdegutis!~sdegutis@unaffiliated/sdegutis PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1425159703 576896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _instead_ of return a result, you just lift $ tell ... each list item once you're sure of it < 1425159749 821065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess this will ruin the normal error reporting, though. < 1425159754 699409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this way < 1425159761 531763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't tell if a parse error occured < 1425159765 660338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not enough input is there < 1425159767 50091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1425159772 940163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks :( < 1425159806 604626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1425159808 698305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1425159812 182916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I ever need incremental parsing < 1425159814 800638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use attoparsec < 1425159834 301557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually need it right now, I was just curious) < 1425159841 861996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lazy, incremental parsing is conceptually weird. you have to accept that you process partial results before you know that there won't be a syntax error later on. < 1425159854 518579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might do some network stuff some day) < 1425159890 899692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you parse integer <> double without try btw? < 1425159896 790383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And it gets weird if the result is in any way tree-structured, rather than a stream. < 1425159919 255746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: definitely not without making a custom combinator < 1425159939 707595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use (try parseDouble) <|> parseInt < 1425159945 652911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parseDouble expects a "." < 1425159949 284679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 and 12.0 cannot be distinguished without reading input < 1425159954 452950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when no "." is present it fails and parseInt will parse it < 1425159961 742866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that requires a try < 1425160003 943558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec is what < 1425160005 772352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LL(1)? < 1425160008 83991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1425160013 51899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks ahead on symbol < 1425160030 83374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's LL(whateveryouneed) < 1425160043 993924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1425160055 79131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a char 'a'; char 'b'; and a char 'a'; char 'c' wont work < 1425160059 356281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without try < 1425160073 96050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because once it sees an 'a' it will expect 'b' ALWAYS < 1425160079 649494 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425160086 929604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1425160098 189851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually the main innovation of Parsec < 1425160100 935993 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425160164 742354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bounding backtracking so that input can be discarded even after encountering an alternative.) < 1425160184 41951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you cannot combine an integer and a double parser without try, but you can certainly refactor integer <|> double into something that doesn't use try < 1425160210 34566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a regular sublanguage, after all < 1425160347 326598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, yes < 1425160506 896771 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425160637 17951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried our home internet out, and it was not there yet. You will be fungotless for two more weeks. < 1425160696 289148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, lookahead might still be a problem. e.g. how do you parse 12e < 1425160710 270456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In retrospect, I should have probably just moved it on a different server, but I didn't expect a delivery time this long.) < 1425160732 427676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1425161047 102615 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425161063 938312 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fungotless"? < 1425161151 50462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state of not having a fungot. < 1425161176 702730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See, it's been so long everyone has already forgotten.) < 1425161201 740749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure gamemanj was here when it started hth < 1425161218 965935 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/feb/27/finnish-punk-band-take-punt-eurovision-title < 1425161309 957402 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't appear much on IRC, so I wouldn't know what a fungot is... < 1425161341 850577 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the channel topic, it likes the internet. < 1425161353 842846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a treasure trove of wisdom < 1425161361 921822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1425161367 181837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 13) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 14) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1425161382 393872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 14 < 1425161383 358603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1425161398 369547 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...A bot, or...? < 1425161411 322174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bot, trained in linguistics. or something. < 1425161448 751293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can generate sentences using some Markov-ish language models.) < 1425161490 557712 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Sounds fun....hang on, why can't fizzie just download fungot and connect from the same place he's IRCing from? < 1425161491 343893 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more impressive part is that it's written in Befunge. < 1425161504 766290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 < 1425161511 670242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hazy on the fungoids. < 1425161514 559499 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is fungot's code currently--WHAT. < 1425161531 903667 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow. Funge-98? ...how??? < 1425161542 205274 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of the SOCK fingerprint, but still... < 1425161592 933066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: It felt like too much work to move everything (a gigabyte of data, plus having to build a patched cfunge) for such a should-have-been-short while. < 1425161593 641968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot lists the fingerprints. (The code is there as well. Fizzie might give you a tour if you ask nicely, or not. I've never tried.) < 1425161609 920397 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, really? A gigabyte of data? That's a bit of a large Befunge program. < 1425161623 133011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data, not code. < 1425161623 434957 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a large database. < 1425161624 207445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the markov styles < 1425161628 292164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1425161633 822104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: patched how? < 1425161634 42403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1425161637 18887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest shouldn't be very large. < 1425161657 792777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory there could be some huge ^def'ed commands, i guess < 1425161712 302253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't patch cfunge when I tried--unsuccessfully--to get fungot to run. Did I miss anything?) < 1425161731 829858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There's a built-in chroot-and-drop-privs thing I wrote. Could go without or use some other (stronger) sandboxing, but haven't had the inclination. < 1425161740 194291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1425161774 482850 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what is the sandboxing needed for? < 1425161775 392186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should work just fine with the regular one. Though I may have not tried the most recent versions. < 1425161813 945819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I have no reasonable means of moving the data files out from here. < 1425161816 140535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to protect against evil befunge hackers, of course < 1425161893 537185 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on earth did Fungot get so big in data? < 1425161911 59182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the babbling styles. < 1425161943 753648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them were trained from relatively large source materials. < 1425161967 799858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like europarl, or even the irclog one. < 1425161992 569930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: "Nonsense generation based on variable-length ngram models." -- there's a link to the variKN toolkit that fizzie used to generate the models (I think). < 1425161999 987234 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And how are those loaded in? < 1425162009 84176 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ah. < 1425162018 326286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seek and destroy ... err, open, seek and read < 1425162024 675154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the old (pre-varikn) training script did fixed-length unpruned models. < 1425162066 222962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're not loaded to fungespace, I seek/read with FILE on-demand. < 1425162090 214195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very inefficiently. Though I assume they do end up in caches. < 1425162090 649113 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sensible if they're a gigabyte. < 1425162197 433413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 'department research' # is about the VariKN thing < 1425162198 383875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1425162252 371709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest individual styles are (IIRC) 300 megs or so, but these days there are so many of them. < 1425162404 401478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although many are real - too - small.) < 1425162514 414011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you get the fungot.dat file out? < 1425162633 626678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circuitously. But yes, in theory. I have something to do first, but I'll try to remember to put a link to it here within the next two hours. < 1425162639 589175 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425162665 340446 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure if "it" is the department research or fungot. < 1425162675 219486 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skwuppzeeikufone JOIN :#esoteric < 1425162696 773323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Things would be easier if I'd just tether this mobile thing, but it's so explicitly against the terms of service.) < 1425162730 201864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I read it as referring to the research < 1425162742 935416 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a "temporary" model so Fungot can be booted, although he only says "hello" with this model. And it's not much of a model... < 1425162748 375272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1425162752 951188 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and I'm not sure if it'll work. < 1425162805 287455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should boot with no babbling models too, it just requires a fungot.dat miscellaneous data file. < 1425162874 51139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure if it wants a '\0'-terminated 'styles.list' file too, by the way. < 1425162892 218447 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I just went ahead and read your file format documentation :) < 1425162902 86386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have that. I even have a style. < 1425163012 632385 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Does styles.list have newlines or not? It's written as having "lines" which ALSO have \0 in them. < 1425163026 584977 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(implicitly) < 1425163168 894542 :fnordbot!~fungot@212095007211.public.telering.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1425163177 622000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot: hi < 1425163178 178455 :fnordbot!~fungot@212095007211.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hitch the length, he rather suspected this. trillian had turned aside in disgust they all went, " yuch." it's a lot. " so," said ford, " you reckon, what's the problem? a sudden silence afterwards." you can tell. at the moment. a slight hiss built into a deafening roar the engines. a galactic civilization, leapt to the controls, " i didn't pick up hitch the length, he rather suspected this. trillian had turned aside in d < 1425163187 222977 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425163189 61558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, it was the cfunge version < 1425163213 701466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the language model doesn't know when to stop) < 1425163218 623646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it starts with a loop < 1425163258 263228 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Aw, you beat me to it :) < 1425163262 537639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1425163263 150913 :fnordbot!~fungot@212095007211.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: irc* < 1425163268 69604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1425163268 491472 :fnordbot!~fungot@212095007211.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: Not really what you'd expect < 1425163294 862880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: so as far as I can see it's actual lines, just as described. < 1425163312 712944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: It needs both \0\n at the ends of lines, and a \0 in first column after the entries. < 1425163328 577137 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1425163345 41952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so I guess I won't need that state file after all. but thanks for the offer. < 1425163352 367382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that is, \0 in first column on the line after the entries. < 1425163364 478860 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should styles.list and the model files be in data\ ? < 1425163386 477405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Good, less work for me. Though you are missing the defined commands without it. < 1425163413 603472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I think not. Which is a bit silly. < 1425163439 907773 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425163448 14780 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kind of odd, but ok. < 1425163462 295963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot: So which IRC channel was that from? < 1425163462 776838 :fnordbot!~fungot@212095007211.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for. " all the doors." " a what? far out in the dordellis wars, and the megafreighters had to be equipped with the most fantastic. in a few seconds," he continued, " you just let the machines began to think that the chances of getting picked. he was a hell of a lot. " so," said ford, " you reckon, what's the problem? all his heirs are now long dead, and this is frankie, " a simple one!" " i just don't say things like th < 1425163465 309817 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Let's see if this works... < 1425163465 793492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right. but mainly I was curious whether I could get it to run at all. I didn't expect cfunge 0.9 to be incompatible with 0.3.3 (I haven't tried 0.4.1) < 1425163499 242134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: none. it's trained from the first volume of hitchhiker < 1425163523 725660 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm guessing it doesn't work with CCBI? < 1425163571 406488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Bizarre. I'm pretty sure I've ran it post-0.9. I'd like to debug this out, but the circumstances are not good for it right now. Perhaps when I get back from the Americas. < 1425163613 847205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Feel free to report a github issue. :p (Might even be the first one.) < 1425163833 264851 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425164000 996805 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, after finding out I messed up the config, CCBI starts fungot! bad news: it doesn't give a nickname. < 1425164052 541401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you edit the fungot-load-whatever.b98 file? < 1425164070 387183 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that's what I broke(and then fixed, and then it still failed) < 1425164086 384370 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll double-check... < 1425164167 857968 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I didn't mess up config, and "-" isn't a banned letter in IRC AFAIK. < 1425164177 660765 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(didn't mess it up twice, that is) < 1425164389 206392 :fnordbot!~fungot@212095007211.public.telering.at QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425164638 831804 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fizzle, are the bot owner details still valid? < 1425164699 922891 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425164715 578692 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fizzie < 1425164736 641632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: did you align the v above the strings with the < at the end of the lines, and make sure that there's no strage letter inbetween? < 1425164743 849873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strange < 1425164764 902822 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was what my first mistake was. I've fixed that now, but I'm using CCBI, so I'm trying with the right version of cfunge. < 1425164765 330404 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425164809 167274 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to lose connection for the night soon, though. < 1425165024 6543 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...cmake is starting, I'm compiling cfunge on the target server(which has a mostly-reliable connection) < 1425165046 490506 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and more importantly can run cfunge) < 1425165096 561237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you test out the bf/ul interpreters while it was online? < 1425165121 147728 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any testing(could be done via PM) < 1425165173 45950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I went and got the Bluetooth keyboard, this seems so involved.) < 1425165186 514759 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1425165208 742350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the owner details, you're supposed to fill them with your own, and then it'll accept the "owner" commands only from that nick!user@host prefix. < 1425165210 934890 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cfunge built on Raspberry Pi B+, who should own the bot? < 1425165219 969528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul `r`.c`.b`.ai < 1425165220 430523 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1425165229 559794 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was good timing < 1425165229 845139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, underload. < 1425165286 960920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++++++<-]>+.+.+.+.+.+. < 1425165287 319703 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!"#$%& < 1425165308 866204 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting...Still "no nickname given". Re-re-checking config. < 1425165403 157164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ < 1425165502 726693 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^befunge <@_.<0"hello" < 1425165506 709719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that funge testsuite... < 1425165543 937973 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^be <@_.<0"hello" < 1425165544 525804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology? < 1425165566 803601 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^funge <@_.<0"hello" < 1425165568 728350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen: It only does the two. < 1425165572 747267 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1425165581 231392 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1425165602 538530 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an inline interpreter for a 2d language wasn't that useful anyway < 1425165607 22407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there's an owner-only command to run "raw" Funge-98 code, but it's mostly just useful for hot-patching (more like hot-breaking). < 1425165653 213095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get a hat out of this keyboard. < 1425165687 794620 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "fungot-g" is under your control. Have fun with it until you can run real fungot again. Don't abuse that feature I didn't know about until you mentioned it. < 1425165689 383745 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get a bakslash out of mine < 1425165706 369333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the Finnish keyboard, so the key with all kinds of diacritics is dead. Normally you get the ASCII hat with that + space, but on Android it just gives a ˆ. < 1425165717 279511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is some other kind of a hat. < 1425165744 477222 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know if i can plug my phone to the computer and type with the phone keyboard? < 1425165794 790140 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:try the brainf*** code: ++++++++++[->+++++++++<]>++++.[-]< < 1425165815 9107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I've done something like that by using a SSH client on the phone, and then doing screen -x to attach to a screen on the computer. < 1425165817 952069 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Or just copy this:^ < 1425165847 730219 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425165848 601621 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1425165855 136186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Though that didn't involve any plugging in. I would be surprised if it could (at least out-of-the-box) pretend to be a USB keyboard or something, if that's what you mean. < 1425165855 740061 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_:RDP,VNC are capable, but why type with a phone keyboard...? < 1425165869 796669 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/2xgypm/using_rubys_openuri_one_step_away_from_rce/ < 1425165893 945620 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my right hand is in a cast and has been for over two weks < 1425165921 946410 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've practised typing with three fingers from the left hand but that'sstill slow < 1425165937 347440 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some chars are hard to get < 1425165953 336843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Thanks for the copy-hat.)S < 1425165953 732273 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the copy-hat. < 1425165958 194045 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backslash is downright impossible, it's alt+shift+/ < 1425165992 44060 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the alt key is only on the left side of the keyboard < 1425166026 101359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so 0.3.3 is the latest cfunge that works for me. < 1425166045 53931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aS(:^)S):^ < 1425166045 528726 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aS(:^)S):^ < 1425166080 594217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: And what did you say happened on the newer versions? Infinite loop parsing fungot.dat? < 1425166081 534860 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when there's two fungots on the same channel? < 1425166104 580215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command character (^) is in the configuration, I think. < 1425166111 376496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have two non-conflicting fungots. < 1425166170 487201 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you had to choose a command character(under this scenario) what would it be? < 1425166229 264758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's playing ping-pong: http://dpaste.com/26CHQMY < 1425166280 565534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˋprefixes < 1425166288 966898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that wasn't the ASCII backtick either. < 1425166296 430083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this keyboard layout sucks. < 1425166297 308824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes that looks like the code reading fungot.dat (line 15 of fungot.b98) < 1425166340 667607 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Actually, let me check...Fizzie, it *is* the ASCII backtick. < 1425166418 385526 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, as far as I can tell from this web client, anyway. < 1425166495 367134 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[->++++++++++<]>. < 1425166495 749465 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1425166497 117100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: And what was your fungot.dat like again? I keep forgetting. < 1425166500 137064 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ˋ < 1425166501 34947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+02CB MODIFIER LETTER GRAVE ACCENT] < 1425166513 573160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just 10 newlines < 1425166543 180167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+02CB NOT QUITE BACKTICK < 1425166611 594535 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ` < 1425166624 350243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT \ UTF-8: 60 UTF-16BE: 0060 Decimal: ` \ ` \ Category: Sk (Symbol, Modifier) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1425166640 434266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, if you had to choose a command character(under this scenario) what would it be? ← It occurred to me to check the list of botprefixes, but then I realised it's provided by fungot... < 1425166679 398154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Okay, I have a hypothesis. < 1425166705 298777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It has to do with the way STRN's substring things got more exact specifications for edge cases. < 1425166722 314330 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, fnordbot is fungot, but with the model database "modified". < 1425166722 992412 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj:. " you see," he shouted to the guard, " not really. " we had a look at this," said slartibartfast, " that was one of mine," shouted ford. " i don't want to go to work at," and he turned. " but who the man with the five heads all the tests, learning to distinguish between him pretending to be an out a wild whoop in major thirds, threw ford prefect, " it's dark," he shouted to the guard, " not really. " we had a look at < 1425166757 925438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: sure, but it was stored as a defined command, so it's in the fabled fungot.dat file I suppose < 1425166792 440996 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.(wait, "fabled"?) < 1425166795 401348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Try with 10 non-empty lines. < 1425166799 978995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (If you want.) < 1425166836 189678 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1425166953 660304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (I think the problem is that the newline-stripping code no longer works on an empty line. Maybe.) < 1425166959 248891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that gets past parsing the fungot.dat file, apparently, but loops later on, printing lots of numbers. < 1425166972 960029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Um. < 1425167114 479405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should still just give you the .dat file. < 1425167158 916587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets to the point where it connects to the server, at least. < 1425167167 574615 :gamemanj!5228a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.40.165.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425167209 243100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: "All" the bots provide the list of botprefixes, that's one of the points of it. < 1425167222 606170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's no longer quite true, but I think at least HackEgo's got it. < 1425167238 450704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: (That's what I was trying to do there, with the backtick.) < 1425167241 568926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1425167249 591872 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botnames < 1425167250 145759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: botnames: not found < 1425167258 461920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "prefixes". I think. < 1425167268 504196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or prefix-something. < 1425167271 453315 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1425167273 987692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1425167283 764805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes < 1425167286 561021 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1425167315 362283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be it. I don't think lambdabot is #esoteric-specific enough for that. :) < 1425167319 925774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://dpaste.com/3ZG5D0Z ... playing pingpong with the very top and bottom of funge-space. < 1425167343 389212 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than having bots ignore other bots, I think other bots should adopt HackEgo's ZWSP prefix, and then ignore incoming lines starting with ZWSP < 1425167376 600751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but how does a space go from 22/192 to 3/192... that's wild. < 1425167381 696387 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I suppose specifically ignoring lines starting with ZWSP is redundant if it only takes action on a certain prefix) < 1425167416 103989 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it might skip until the next non-space characer < 1425167419 713263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a single tick) < 1425167431 493421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, spaces are coalesced in Funge-98. < 1425167446 148405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1425167465 671668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like something that might be a bonafide fungot bug. < 1425167479 662183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just another "unexpected reflect". < 1425167492 753328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, these are the last few instructions before it veers off like that: http://dpaste.com/0HYK3CC < 1425167566 768520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you give me the .dat file I can put it up with fnordbot. < 1425167567 332125 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what a day. " no you can't possibly, let out a wild whoop in major thirds, threw ford prefect, " it's dark," he shouted to the guard, " not really. " we had a look at this," said slartibartfast, " that was one of mine," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. you want to try a guess at all, ford?" " well you see," he shouted < 1425167652 923234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I'll do that. I'd like to figure out what's wrong for realsies, but I don't think I'll be doing that on this phone. < 1425167827 636122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, file is on the phone, thanks to adb push. < 1425167835 225287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to stuff it somewhere. < 1425167843 785075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Dropbox client on this thing. < 1425167853 823428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can share a file from Google Drive or something. < 1425167922 234385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would be lost, and try to look for an ssh/sftp client... < 1425167945 441724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one, but it was not a good one. < 1425167964 170900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try what happens if you click at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZAX2Z6OW15YXZGaWM/edit?usp=docslist_api