< 1425340850 744555 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1425341014 717125 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Bye. < 1425341421 117551 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425341591 421748 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMPRINTED CHICKEN < 1425343426 412099 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425343974 914076 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425344010 430267 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425344048 973964 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425344282 793414 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1425344346 259213 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1425344398 245444 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, some notions of a "theory" admit a notion of a "free model" and some of them don't. < 1425344430 562226 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that by "theory" we mean "variety of algebras". I'm pretty sure a variety of algebras always has a free model. < 1425344452 331745 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425344482 136987 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the collection of all equivalence classes of constant expressions, where two expressions are equivalent if the axioms require them to be equal. < 1425344553 129848 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-order logic doesn't admit a notion of a free model, though. < 1425344568 811834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone here think of a good use for the lda ($*,x) (where * is any 8-bit integer) instruction in 6502 assembler? < 1425344571 801630 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do the Henkin construction, but the Henkin construction requires making a lot of arbitrary choices. < 1425344579 541382 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not, conveniently enough, the axiom of choice.) < 1425344605 758749 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, what does that do? < 1425344644 538376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's basically equivalent to *(c[X]) in C, where c is a constant pointer and X is a register; however, the resulting address has to be in the first 256 bytes of memory < 1425344727 217483 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425344729 719347 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1425344736 858623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So c is an immediate value and X is the value in a register? < 1425344760 284674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425344781 780166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that you can't really use this as an array of pointers because you have to put it in a particularly valuable bit of memory < 1425344781 947362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I remember I have not used that addressing mode < 1425344792 870000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: neither have I, and I've written some 6502 assembler too < 1425344805 729773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if I find it useful I might to do so < 1425344808 129971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I'm not surprised you've worked on 6502 asm, although technically your statement doesn't imply that you have) < 1425344837 660605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember all my addressing modes. < 1425344845 840037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked on 6502 asm, and what I have used is several unofficial opcodes, but not that < 1425344894 452381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the unofficial opcodes do? < 1425344904 676695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they're mostly random mixes of intended opcodes < 1425344937 797663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many, for example ANC #immediate will act like AND #imm but also copies the high bit to the carry flag. < 1425344987 78614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAX will load into both A and X register, but the immediate form of this opcode is unstable so I don't use the immediate mode. (6502: Even the bugs have bugs.) < 1425345004 943184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANC looks like a pretty useful opcode < 1425345011 15376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although presumably it works differently on different 6502s < 1425345063 403009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On different version any unofficial opcode may fail, but it works on an actual 6502. < 1425345092 708008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, what I am programming for isn't quite an actual 6502; it is an actual 6502 with a few traces cut so that decimal mode won't work.) < 1425345175 661327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what it does on Famicom, and now Famicom VM is defined to do those things (although the purpose of unofficial opcodes wasn't defined before Super Nintendo was released, as far as I understand). < 1425345193 463651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking mostly about NES right now, which is quite similar to Famicom < 1425345228 225392 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425345230 91440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is quite similar and the same CPU, APU, and PPU is in use too (except PAL NES) < 1425345250 598830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SED and CLD therefore, will still affect the decimal flag, but this flag does nothing except that it is visible when the flags are pushed to the stack. < 1425345356 51835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stuff have you written 6502 codes for? < 1425345437 810431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing for the BBC Micro < 1425345439 274835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for fun < 1425345445 51149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC Micro B, specifically < 1425345448 374765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a BASIC interpreter in ROM < 1425345642 289473 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425345685 68956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have once worked with an emulator that emulates BBC Micro, although I didn't know much about the features specific to its BASIC interpreter < 1425345766 14285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also had an assembler in ROM < 1425345963 361745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it did? I didn't know that either < 1425345966 68681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425346035 104999 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425346128 496528 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1425346144 244832 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425346244 906965 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425346250 770617 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya feks < 1425346343 654895 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425346366 376866 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425346368 356691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1425346514 731280 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :its_some_kind_of_elvish_i_cant_read_it.jpg < 1425346536 552278 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425346590 784301 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... what country is .za < 1425346671 555895 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1425346700 826096 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425346743 964574 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for "ya feks" and i got some stuff from .za, .su, and .ru < 1425346764 178603 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425346826 483978 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1425346827 983693 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The national TLDs for Zouth Africa, Sumeria and Ruritania. < 1425346829 295061 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya feks is a more toned down version < 1425346833 591247 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of you fucks < 1425346872 358147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see... south africa, soviet union, and russia < 1425346911 936903 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What country do you live in oren < 1425346940 672974 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ca < 1425346949 372618 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada < 1425346953 47732 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1425346957 335887 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun < 1425346977 268151 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is only fun in the winter < 1425346992 406126 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I just < 1425347000 235935 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burned sanfransico down < 1425347016 202010 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very likely someone will do it < 1425347029 616388 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... san francisco is in America < 1425347035 177294 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1425347038 30210 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1425347056 131893 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never implied I was talking about Canada... < 1425347081 835039 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... So why would you burn san francisco donw? < 1425347119 681948 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1425347124 202114 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its a scum hole < 1425347136 5056 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that already happened in 1906 < 1425347140 306110 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See < 1425347143 952297 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flammable < 1425347147 469836 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By an earthquake < 1425347152 528898 :serika!~serika@unaffiliated/serika QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425347159 366441 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1425347165 376003 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better < 1425347287 578062 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/San_Francisco_in_ruin_edit2.jpg < 1425347364 101100 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their fault for building on a fault < 1425347389 466522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is surprisingly offtopic even for this channel < 1425347414 569042 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is a surprise < 1425347424 56508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless destroying cities is somehow Turing-complete, and I don't think we can manage that due to only having finitely many cities < 1425347458 589931 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one can arrest me if they are all on fire ais253 < 1425347474 286002 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1425347474 432798 NAMES :#esoteric < 1425347483 755263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, though? can't you find something more appropriate to talk about? < 1425347491 120577 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine < 1425347521 920989 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425347527 220017 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish irc had some sort of msg delete system but its just really a real time logging system < 1425347548 834151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1425347548 860360 NAMES :#esoteric < 1425347574 683826 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want a kitty ais253 < 1425347582 591126 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got like 12 < 1425347585 794906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly < 1425347588 935339 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1425347624 301696 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was your day then? < 1425347633 486018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^oωO^)] < 1425347691 330350 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make faces with this language ㅎ-ㅎ < 1425347695 224718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slept in, then spent the afternoon thinking about my job, and got some useful advice from #esoteric < 1425347731 585772 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ㅅ^ that's good < 1425347749 1344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC doesn't need some kind of msg delete system < 1425347781 68674 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of how useful that would be though < 1425347797 654235 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to work with my project group at school, but I didn't do anything < 1425347807 526859 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ban someone it delete all there messages < 1425347823 708559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I disagree < 1425347843 94509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone could remember that the message had been said, though < 1425347862 899868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you delete all electronic copies, you're not going to delete them from the minds of the recipients < 1425347864 425838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, however, parse the logs and filter out any messages of people you don't want (whether because they are banned or for another reason) < 1425347864 707505 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent the time helping the artists get their files into the repository and reading manga < 1425347871 985280 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But memory is useless < 1425347897 398263 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll forget within days < 1425347929 426427 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing a string of insulting text upon a LCD won't be remembered for long my Good sir < 1425347952 869125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason my first thought in reply to that was "I'll have to get a CRT" < 1425347960 113974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have the wrong attitude for this conversation… < 1425347968 386251 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what if I enable logging on my client < 1425347992 258455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe in freedom of speech < 1425348003 927578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Freedom of speech < 1425348034 199341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say what you want, but you can't stop people from reacting to what you say < 1425348052 492608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the reaction is illegal in its own right < 1425348053 205205 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot detect attitude over the internet < 1425348089 326344 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking of verbal reactions, but yeah < 1425348094 187654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in my case, assume that I'm intentionally trying to push conversations into the absurd in an attempt to derail them < 1425348115 287957 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1375919!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/aquaweb19f-3-web.jpg < 1425348117 200058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Well, yes, although you should still be allowed to keep it recorded; other people should be allowed to write comment/complaint on it too though < 1425348119 162291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least for offtopic conversations; with ontopic conversations, pushing them into the absurd is normally impossible because they're already there) < 1425348132 499719 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are turing machines < 1425348135 895243 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a CRT in my basement that we are not allowed to throw out < 1425348153 106382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: basically it's a computational model < 1425348162 100446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Turing_machine < 1425348170 279826 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425348181 504364 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry but the esolangs wiki is infinitely loading for me < 1425348181 653378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess the Wikipedia article is probably better < 1425348185 659849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine < 1425348190 766584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :underwater bicycles? < 1425348203 249619 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All wiki pages are infinite load < 1425348207 297225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ? < 1425348228 516144 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture sketra linked to. underwater bicycles < 1425348238 633593 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren its illegal in California to ride your bycicle in a pool < 1425348243 87571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I'm not used to people following links < 1425348265 68245 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't technically follow it. I wgot it < 1425348283 50112 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais253 What would you gain from pushing topic into absurdity its human nature to reply to dumb topics < 1425348301 273208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should you want to ride a bicycle underwater anyways? < 1425348315 232904 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid getting sweaty? < 1425348323 384736 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1425348324 251246 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try for a more reasonable approach such as "Lets talk about Programming" would be ofc a better example < 1425348335 289035 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 Twice the exercise < 1425348339 353387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found it one way to try to moderate a channel without having to ban anyone < 1425348339 595638 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water drag < 1425348345 492070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another method is to have some ontopic conversations ready < 1425348351 76879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to start them up with someone you know will join in < 1425348359 365512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's hard to do at ~2am UTC < 1425348365 141587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easier than at ~6am UTC though) < 1425348369 188963 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to sleep my dear sir < 1425348383 150753 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix your sleep schedule < 1425348414 284018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem like it will be difficult to try to ride a bicycle underwater, but you can try, but nevertheless try to be careful please < 1425348419 724749 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :오 _ 오 < 1425348439 721173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What timezone are you at though? And, what timezone other people at, too? < 1425348452 220184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps an underwater exercise bicycle would make for a better, or at least different, exercise experience < 1425348461 539579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the country I'm currently living in is currently at UTC+0 < 1425348470 952979 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 6:08pm I don't do time zones < 1425348492 846719 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read the clock you can figure it out yourself < 1425348495 708399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're at UTC-8 then < 1425348499 988589 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to Vaccuum < 1425348510 299578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that normally indicates the western edge of the US, although there are other possibilities < 1425348526 914202 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forthmost answer is correct < 1425348550 45810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, at least it would make a different kind of exercise; it would do that at least. < 1425348582 552353 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38 it would be best to strap them to the bottom and have straps on the peddles < 1425348595 612960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't do timezones? < 1425348614 679378 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to < 1425348628 680111 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1425348634 570173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use solar time, but that isn't quite the same use on the clock and on computer etc < 1425348635 127439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented timezones in NetHack 4 a while back, it allows you to specify any 15-minute offset from UTC up to (IIRC) +/- 1200 < 1425348644 3342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no DST rules < 1425348662 754130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need timezones in NetHack? < 1425348662 903023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because I thought there might be a potential for DST-related exploits (like there are in second-gen Pokémon games) < 1425348671 448896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some monsters are more dangerous at night < 1425348687 529557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably also affects moon phases, although I'm not sure that it should < 1425348704 401223 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in -0500 according to date < 1425348727 890655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that most commonly implies eastern US < 1425348731 46652 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my client it lists me as being in 2:15 Pm 11/19/1947 < 1425348738 30990 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I'm fine < 1425348746 199494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's a weird time < 1425348757 609442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's 32-bit INT_MIN interpreted as a date < 1425348775 546082 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1425348780 869659 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internal clock must have goofed < 1425348790 274326 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill fix it later < 1425348815 543140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that's in 1901 < 1425348821 161200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date -d @-2147483648 < 1425348822 649862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 GMT 1901 < 1425348843 468778 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thats also December < 1425348852 536417 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2038 is the max < 1425348859 928071 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1425348882 674225 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my client runs off my computers internal clock < 1425348885 80792 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. in 2038 unix date times willneed to be 64 bit < 1425348919 914641 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have been messing with time setting ealier and fell asleep before I fixed them < 1425348923 83286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I ran into that problem already < 1425348931 756770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when giving one of the traditional 24-year bans on the wiki < 1425348935 68633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 + 24 = 2038 < 1425348940 958325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it got fixed by a wiki upgrade < 1425348968 69682 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you ban for 24 years < 1425348980 338091 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually devastated when I'm banned from sites < 1425348988 996143 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit much < 1425348991 582091 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A year an hour. < 1425349014 389956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bans for humans < 1425349018 540893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for spambots < 1425349029 682698 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran into a spam bot once < 1425349034 605947 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to have them banned for one day if they spend it in some kind of time chamber. < 1425349039 638517 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are verg weird < 1425349042 729428 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very* < 1425349057 477425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to run into them a lot, but the spam filters and CAPTCHA on the wiki have been holding recently < 1425349069 747303 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do spam bots spam on the wiki < 1425349082 837604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way a human would spam on the wiki: create account, create a page, put spam there < 1425349094 994700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the spambots have the huge disadvantage that they haven't figured out newlines yet < 1425349100 402125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them quite easy to automatically detect < 1425349108 440461 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it < 1425349127 68476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they make a page using entirely
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as line breaks < 1425349136 158501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than two newlines, which is the way most humans do line breaks < 1425349137 335149 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1425349151 822936 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch out ais523. < 1425349163 530008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: ? < 1425349191 866277 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be a bot -///- You just never know what humans can make up < 1425349200 848723 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding < 1425349216 997651 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, you could be spying to find out the secret of newlines. < 1425349217 322392 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaccuming < 1425349221 926995 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST < 1425349223 65263 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE < 1425349223 691342 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1425349225 3437 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROBOT < 1425349230 486217 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I spam < 1425349246 882092 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just told you I would be devastated if I got banned < 1425349249 248214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: actually, one of the most damaging things you can do to spammers is to waste their time < 1425349287 138258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spam has pretty tight margins, especially when humans get involved < 1425349291 438048 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the most catastrophic thing to happen to esolangs < 1425349299 32905 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like server wise < 1425349319 298941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server's been moved a few times < 1425349327 42267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the site's been down during server moves < 1425349336 132078 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1425349343 693111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not technically the wiki, but as the topic says, fungot is trapped in a house with no internet < 1425349364 446335 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425349366 580704 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1425349379 754721 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are funny Ais253 < 1425349439 379325 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing this went from setting people on fire to underwater bycicles to turing machines to spam bot protection < 1425349609 214576 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1425349617 651674 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1425349625 322638 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm off to do some deeds < 1425349629 100123 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wills < 1425349658 652115 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1425349895 918198 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425350030 262255 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425350063 906229 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425350073 343024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up "Phyrexian Nix" card of Magic: the Gathering? < 1425350112 86981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a "Nix" card in Future Sight, but now we can make up the Phyrexian version? < 1425350791 913865 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425350792 100372 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425350996 560598 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425351014 414829 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425351124 616462 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425351525 312481 :AnxiousGarlic!~Spider@130.225.244.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425351579 820282 :AnxiousGarlic!~Spider@130.225.244.206 PART :#esoteric < 1425352302 500936 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rqqivdanwrikdzpw JOIN :#esoteric < 1425353863 984841 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking up reversible computing terms, what I'm trying to do seems fairly similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rc-table.png < 1425353944 176170 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425354191 650934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but what does the "v@ = w;" and "v = @w;" stuff means there? It says "constructive assignment" but I still don't quite know < 1425354573 285442 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure. < 1425354591 283411 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By constructive it means reversible, though. < 1425354671 179508 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I'll just stick with making the language I was going to and look into whatever this idea was later. < 1425355062 553185 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get back to this in the morning now that I've started writing things down. < 1425355068 659295 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1425355129 520178 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425355129 744233 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425356976 664557 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425357000 330899 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425357088 480802 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425357154 359852 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425357669 447319 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425358404 693141 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1425358427 964263 :password2!~password@197.76.132.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425358524 935058 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1425358546 519412 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425358598 473810 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425358610 625306 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1425358896 560476 :password2!~password@197.76.132.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425359064 602681 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1425359098 118375 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425359218 723526 :password2!~password@197.76.130.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425359235 121976 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1425359262 628136 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425360050 699801 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1425360273 446210 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it would help considerably if matlab would tell me how long a computation is going to take. < 1425360457 692968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely to know < 1425360465 178989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the impression that Matlab is terribly coded internally < 1425360479 373880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. at one point Simulink started giving me incorrect answers, then crashed < 1425360510 794732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I always thought Nix was overcosted; that's an interesting way of making it cheaper < 1425360519 279769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would probably be overpowered in Vintage (and unplayable elsewhere) < 1425360599 336155 :password2!~password@197.76.130.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1425361492 799311 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... cp with one argument should copy it into the current directory < 1425361895 800545 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1425362110 421071 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425362162 501648 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425362410 190573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give . as the second argument < 1425362548 992019 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but i'm lazy < 1425362549 392180 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425362651 901661 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :出来た! https://github.com/orenwatson/jpeg_tailor < 1425362842 903231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I thought that too < 1425363010 595384 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to start putting things online so i can reference them < 1425363023 688856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it seems like might be a bit overcosted < 1425363110 450456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I don't know how overpowered it would be in Vintage though; I'm not completely sure, nevertheless it might work if restricted in Vintage < 1425363135 452582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone else told me the name "Phyrexian Nix" isn't good enough because it has two "X"s in it) < 1425363152 608347 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qrwbveimwiakajxg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1425363209 786721 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it have fewer or more? < 1425363252 285992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said two is too many, apparently < 1425363282 933891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I just made up the name to be descriptive; I don't actually know if it would be the proper name or not. < 1425363341 809261 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :phairekzian nicks < 1425363378 204356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... doesn't "nix" mean snow in Latin? < 1425363415 804215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but nevertheless it isn't what I was refering to. < 1425363434 57703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you understand Latin, then perhaps you can know. < 1425363560 13225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was right, but the card is just named for the english word < 1425363725 317357 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a phyrexian nix would cost 1 unstead of U? < 1425363803 988143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it would cost one blue mana or two life < 1425365307 764431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How likely is a phone to catch fire if it sustained arbitrary saltwater+fall damage? < 1425365359 334524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GOTO 1014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42090 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+3052) 10Add GOTO 10 < 1425365415 202244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42091&oldid=42068 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+14) 10/* G */ Add GOTO 10 < 1425365492 393408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... i think it would depend on whether it was fully charged or not < 1425365609 283459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be fully charged now < 1425365613 356242 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working, apparently < 1425365620 154903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if using it is a terminally bad idea < 1425365733 229836 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-secotbjpqonsibev QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1425366136 53265 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ivuumyzztqknffwt JOIN :#esoteric < 1425366322 794950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt water can cause the batteries to short-circuit but if that hasn't happened then i doubt it will < 1425366345 243553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1425366346 892704 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would clean it with alcohol though < 1425366534 345858 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1425366812 374864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "Hocus pocus Domi Nocus" mean? < 1425366935 258313 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425367870 549945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i long ago read "hocus pocus" a corruption of the latin eucharist, although i now see there are other theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hocus_Pocus_(magic)#.E2.80.98Dog.E2.80.99_Latin , domi nocus could be a corruption of "dominus", Lord. < 1425367882 154064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was a corruption < 1425369085 716434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's ais523 lawful good day today < 1425369092 979453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about not mentioning it and seeing if anyone noticed < 1425369097 664400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't be very lawful of me < 1425369111 398278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1425369130 371432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1425369304 613679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, the lawful part seems harder < 1425369396 101876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because laws are actually evil hth < 1425369404 237118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1425369440 195982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NA NA NA NA NOT LISTENING TO YOUR EVIL RATIONALIZATION < 1425369489 825422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "it didn't really help", but it isn't really true either < 1425369495 494360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're tools that can be used for both good and evil < 1425369502 910060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laws aren't necessarily evil. < 1425369737 445335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it can sometimes be... < 1425369745 473577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that strange bright white thing reflecting in the neighbors' window < 1425369760 924689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the fabled daystar < 1425370913 851688 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425371805 213200 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425372044 24395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; you would have to look by yourself < 1425372267 266802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's too bright to look at! < 1425373009 918315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy lawful good day, ais523 < 1425373020 473310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1425373086 374123 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a lawful good day? < 1425373125 968958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lawful good" is an "alignment" classification in the roleplaying game dungeons & dragons < 1425373129 727326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little hard to define well < 1425373139 558310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1425373147 950951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and according to the learndb, I'm lawful good on march 2 < 1425373149 553716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*march 3 < 1425373169 135421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1425373185 997232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody defined it for you? < 1425373187 42681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1425373195 563643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1425373204 954202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it was in response to something I mentioned < 1425373209 958952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was me who physically added it < 1425373214 607585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tend towards lawful good most of the time anyway < 1425373230 726382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't /feel/ that lawful, but I tend to see pretty much everyone else as chaotic < 1425373238 35294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect I just have a skewed viewpoint < 1425373300 313972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425373314 687372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty normal for an alien < 1425373344 515334 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have ended up flitting around the good alignments < 1425373396 741463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ng/cg are probably the most common alignments in real life < 1425373444 166292 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be chaotic neutral < 1425373448 396507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, bad < 1425373458 571981 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1425373524 324817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's impossible to live with a CN character < 1425373530 74674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their carelessness can put people in danger < 1425373556 501472 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's not me < 1425373600 701092 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, you are bad in my viewpoint because you contradict my sense of morality < 1425373622 60327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :negligence is illegal for a reason < 1425373633 10023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a good reason, at that) < 1425374060 817337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I implemented timezones in NetHack 4 a while back, it allows you to specify any 15-minute offset from UTC up to (IIRC) +/- 1200 <-- what do you have against the samoans < 1425374082 581741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what the IIRC was for < 1425374083 484543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also tongans etc.) < 1425374090 227842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider opening the range a bit further for that < 1425374102 435865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if it's too wide, people can use it to dodge inconvenient calendar days < 1425374149 171398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack depends on days? < 1425374160 367142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about moon though < 1425374180 672712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing the timezone even matters for is realtime-dependent things < 1425374205 215781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12 to +14 < 1425374207 271466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the existing timezones < 1425374226 532969 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just allow -23:45 to +23:45 to be sure :) < 1425374235 450964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my current range is -13 to +13 < 1425374243 675007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's both too strict and too loose < 1425374246 305654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can change that without invalidating existing saves < 1425374258 202916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think there are a few not on 15-minute boundaries < 1425374264 885283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1425374268 712387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even 15-minute boundaries? < 1425374284 260868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not < 1425374293 570534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it looks safe < 1425374296 994172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 30 and 45 minutes are the oddest ones < 1425374313 185053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, for the minute fields) < 1425374334 802151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if I've missed a country near the dateline or one with a weird offset, let me know) < 1425374337 332267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I should change this < 1425374357 945508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing now < 1425374394 195779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+14 is ridiculous tbh < 1425374426 964653 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get into NetHack < 1425374445 524965 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dwarf fortress < 1425374523 939035 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dooorfs < 1425374525 86167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll help you learn NetHack if I have spare time and am online at the same time as you, if you like < 1425374574 738335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I do play Dwarf Fortress < 1425374596 554199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thank you, but I have a lecture in 42 minutes and I am still in my pyjamas < 1425374606 933013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the offer didn't necessarily imply right now < 1425374619 720832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume this is not the sort of lecture that could reasonably be attended in pyjamas) < 1425374619 869494 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some other time < 1425374643 192310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the sort of lecture that no-one has tried to attend in pyjamas, although I could probably get away with it) < 1425374649 978720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is way easier than df < 1425374650 391832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who should I credit for this timezone range fix? #esoteric as a whole? < 1425374659 413339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well DF doesn't actually have a victory condition < 1425374665 985696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're quite hard to compare for difficulty in that respect < 1425374667 773614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the issue is that it is 2.7 degrees outside and the lecture is a mile's walk away) < 1425374670 195374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's interface is better, neither is great < 1425374670 437764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !!fun!! < 1425374691 544354 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant difficulty in terms of learning to play it < 1425374692 145186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Fun is probably easier in NetHack than DF, admittedly < 1425374707 839273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to creatively suicide in DF /quite/ as fast as you can in NetHack < 1425374772 504836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't really need crediting at all, I guess < 1425374779 507101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels wrong to not mention credit on lawful good day < 1425374790 232809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I'm going to be stuck with this sort of dilemma all day, aren't I? < 1425374793 291113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I tried to play NetHack, I drank from a fountain and then there were snakes everywhere < 1425374834 701459 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mess up sokoban way to often < 1425374844 719946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm going to say "well don't do that then", rather than the typical reaction along the lines of "YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED, DIRTY FOUNTAIN QUAFFER" < 1425374904 189156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well don't do that then < 1425374909 451733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just credit it to me hth < 1425374911 844747 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I will bear that in mind < 1425374930 312228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I suspect I'm being trolled < 1425374941 179455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll credit it to you if you like, though < 1425374945 246535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does elliott want credit too?) < 1425374958 818040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1425374966 145417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write my name as "Ørjan Johansen, my Lord and Master" hth < 1425374985 964011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways to write your name too < 1425374990 326349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for the NH4 timezone change < 1425374995 307358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just trying to remove all suspicion here) < 1425374997 523720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't desire credit < 1425375031 95404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think this solves my issue < 1425375038 287120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i won't complain much if you countertroll by taking me literally < 1425375056 861095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it lets me fit more non-ASCII characters into the commit log < 1425375067 47659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I'll leave the bit after the comma off, it seems inappropriate < 1425375076 204311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on reflection, i think counter-troll needs a hyphen < 1425375106 205742 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start writing my surname "van D∞m" < 1425375111 185292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1425375128 90261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt most spellcheckers would recognise it without the - < 1425375133 815601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, language has a tendency to evolve < 1425375146 514691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #esoteric version would probably use a diaeresis despite the fact that diaereses don't work like that < 1425375168 677002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterẗroll < 1425375173 447334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode D∞m < 1425375174 572274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0044 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D] [U+221E INFINITY] [U+006D LATIN SMALL LETTER M] < 1425375187 943790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER RN < 1425375192 440843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1425375197 677753 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cöunter-troll? < 1425375198 52789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I expected < 1425375207 108217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that'd be pronounced "co-unter troll" < 1425375208 842079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER RN < 1425375210 246911 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1425375226 402783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite a neat word, but which would sound noticeably different < 1425375229 649804 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well if you want to get technical, the diaresis should be on the u, I dunno how that's pronounced < 1425375237 968874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need boily here as the diäëresis authority < 1425375284 612869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you're right < 1425375299 970963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diaeresis basically just puts a syllable break between two vowels, causing them to be pronounced individually < 1425375311 961586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I was young, it was still mentioned in some books that taught English < 1425375338 181288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of this channel I've only seen in it in some variations of the name Zoe < 1425375340 296369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a theory that it was driven almost to extinction by the use of ASCII-based computers (and also printing presses and typewriters to some extent, but those are better at them) < 1425375359 621863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right, Zoë and Noël were probably the most common uses at the time < 1425375375 558580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oë is pronounced "oh-ee", as expected) < 1425375399 479072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I see that quite often without diaereses < 1425375400 784141 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't forget the Encyclopædia Britannica < 1425375403 159995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the co-unter trolls, coënslaving the coübertrolls < 1425375426 398072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the categoric dual of übertrolls? < 1425375435 19083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1425375448 953506 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that and the fact that it's really inadequate in modern English < 1425375451 21767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm genuinely impressed at the way you managed to work "uber"/"über" in there, leaving it ambiguous < 1425375451 249219 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they trolls that are coüber < 1425375502 142027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uld be < 1425375509 207205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coü̈bertrolls < 1425375520 683576 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to loanwords and calques, and the rarity of two consecutive vowel sounds, it really isn't that good < 1425375549 210049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main issue is that the hyphen is normally pretty suitable, it serves almost the same purpose in that context < 1425375550 327915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how uncooperative and unscientific of you < 1425375570 69980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sci-ence < 1425375573 611434 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the hyphen < 1425375586 705567 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer coöperate to co-operate, where ambiguous < 1425375606 911928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I actually pronounce "science" with the same vowel sound as "fire" < 1425375648 48316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yes < 1425375657 124046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"co-operate" looks like it has a meaning of "to operate alongside with" < 1425375666 182081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the co-pilot is responsible for co-operating the plane" < 1425375698 550566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coop erata < 1425375724 607874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to recooperate after this discussion < 1425375742 585217 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doens't help that no native english speaker reasonably expects to be able to pronounce the vowels in a word based on its spelling < 1425375762 546814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any non-native english speakers expect that after a little experience? < 1425375771 55234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think the situation's quite that bad < 1425375772 319897 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not < 1425375776 932195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some words don't follow a pattern, but many do < 1425375802 808844 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are enough common exceptions to break things, though < 1425375810 150054 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'though' and 'through' < 1425375825 235372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that's tough < 1425375827 929181 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trough < 1425375828 263102 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425375848 77071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone ought to fix that < 1425375867 225459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure anyone has the power; and if anyone did, they would probably get in trouble for using it that way < 1425375883 120685 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some variants of thorough < 1425375896 416503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not if they're thorough < 1425375913 623991 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure some speakers will use five different vowels for those five words < 1425375997 977813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I think there are 10 or 11 different ways < 1425376018 467628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I pronounce the vowels as though = show, through = who, tough = stuff, trough = cloth (although the final consonant is slightly different), and thorough has two vowels but the second seems to be a neutral er < 1425376029 21343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm having problems thinking of a word with a neutral er in right now < 1425376055 656750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly weaker than the second vowel in "partner" I guess < 1425376095 415246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana < 1425376117 476225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's close enough < 1425376123 883847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly /too/ neutral though < 1425376125 638951 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, those match mine < 1425376130 899341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, English is so variable < 1425376139 228079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how "banana" has three vowels with the same letter and three different pronunciations < 1425376139 843049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and yet, your accident is unlikely to match mine, due to the nationality difference < 1425376163 581309 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right. < 1425376167 265538 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to linguistics < 1425376168 200959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I highly doubt our accents match very much, or even me and elliott < 1425376194 78093 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, the word "thorough" rhymes with "full" < 1425376207 11422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean matching vowels? or an actual rhyme? < 1425376208 313138 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a slightly weaker, but still audible, l sound < 1425376275 759571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really get dressed and leave soon < 1425376282 154196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do that then < 1425376293 799350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barring someone with founder status going crazy, #esoteric will still be here when you get back < 1425376320 604358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and the founder status apparently belongs to freenode-staff < 1425376343 507434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little surprising, you'd expect it to either belong to one of the channel regulars, or belong to someone who hasn't been seen for years < 1425376357 864305 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the original founder was deregistered < 1425376372 278451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Magic: the Gathering puzzle.2 but it still has some things wrong with it; I have thought of a few things to try to fix it, though, but I can tell you what is wrong. I need to ensure that if you have bad luck, you cannot win the subgame, and that opponent is able to get the chance to cast Golden Wish on the turn after you have controlled him, but not during that turn. < 1425376650 996972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that nevertheless you can still win the main game regardless of how the cards are shuffled in the subgame, who goes first in the subgame, or how much your opponent mulligans during the subgame. < 1425376701 989045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in that case, why wouldn't you just concede the subgame? < 1425376703 556131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than playing it out? < 1425376727 440219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm wondering how the changes to the Wish rules affect subgames < 1425376750 949239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you wish for main game cards from the subgame? and can you riftsweeper in main game cards from the subgame? < 1425377165 22668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... Riftsweeper is another card with the ability of Pull from Eternity? I thought they made only one such card, even in the block with suspend < 1425377223 123216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in green too... strange < 1425377236 576225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this would be a white or blue ability only < 1425377241 6935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a creature rather than an instant/sorcery < 1425377255 752379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's understandible because green gets to recycle all types of cards from the graveyard < 1425377265 586111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i remember the founder used to be someone with a greek-sounding nick < 1425377315 245076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou? < 1425377318 647979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This puzzle http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2 you can't win by just conceding the subgame < 1425377321 566998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they indeed got deregistered, which isn't surprising given they'd been gone for years < 1425377324 716668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was it < 1425377352 767928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe that the rules allow you to take cards from anywhere in the main game as if they were in your sideboard; someone else confirmed this. < 1425377371 224163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what happens with exiled face-down cards you own but aren't allowed to look at.) < 1425377382 163645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Black Lotus [4x]" < 1425377389 8547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I feel that makes it a little less elegant < 1425377395 342794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the rules used to say that < 1425377405 833910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed a few years ago, and I don't know if the new rules still say that < 1425377418 714873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the newest rules that I studied. < 1425377430 773713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that I asked about. < 1425377447 972805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1425377468 544169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, which white card exiles creatures and says in the flavor text that they don't use death penalty? < 1425377484 327554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1425377554 291599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current rules prohibit you from taking exiled cards from the current game as if they were in your sideboard, but does allow taking them from exile zone in a game that this is a subgame of, as if they were in your sideboard. < 1425377614 616580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: swords to plowshares, path to exile, oust are the best-known white exilers < 1425377619 695514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, oust doesn't exile < 1425377621 832953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns to lirbary < 1425377624 617499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably path to exile < 1425377721 442458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe, those are the ones the most used in competitions, but to me Unamake, Oblivion Ring, Journey to Nowhere, and some blinkers are more familiar < 1425377812 692391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just concede the subgame immediately because the point of entering the subgame isn't just to half your life total, to shuffle anyone's library, or to look at the cards in your library (which you already know anyways). Opponent can't concede because then he would lose the main game too. < 1425377864 228611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1425377880 824659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, suppose you enter the subgame < 1425377884 649765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your opponent gets first turn < 1425377891 133979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you immediately lose it due to drawing from an empty library < 1425377913 411927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you still cast instants before that? < 1425377920 582313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1425377921 918393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you have no cards in hand < 1425377928 341087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lose when drawing your initial hand? < 1425377928 489660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start the subgame with an empty library < 1425377933 2014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm < 1425377939 249091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's so empty you don't even get your starting 7 cards < 1425377942 591398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose while you're drawing those < 1425377943 807981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed either you wouldn't lose, or you could avoid losing via mulliganing to 0 < 1425377946 794183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need a judge for this < 1425377954 177445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's in the rules < 1425377956 919608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you lose < 1425377960 22130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can lose when drawing your initial hand (well, just afterward; you won't lose until someone gets priority); even if you mulligan, I think. < 1425377964 881409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could possibly pull it off in Conspiracy too < 1425377974 865831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via running eight "reduce minimum deck size" conspiracies < 1425377976 590164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that won't happen if you solve the puzzle correctly... < 1425377997 589910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to put more cards into your library first, then, I guess < 1425378017 67499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course < 1425378086 419533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see how? < 1425378100 520081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually trying to solve the puzzle < 1425378191 591136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there is no mana burn in the current rules is important because otherwise you might lose due to mana burn, I think < 1425378227 827250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, look Shahrazad even has a ruling < 1425378235 488551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the start of the sub-game both players draw their initial hand (usually 7 cards). If one player has fewer cards than required, that player loses. If both have fewer than required, both players lose." < 1425378260 211278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be obsolate, btu I think the first part still applies < 1425378268 827271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rules definitely say you _draw_ seven cards < 1425378281 835192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the rulings for other cards are disputed, although I do not dispute this one. < 1425378315 765630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That specific ruling looks correct to me. < 1425378327 604141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, some of them are definitely obsolate because the rules have changed since < 1425378502 225784 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425380014 611576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1425380748 640824 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Quit: switching to a new server < 1425380905 911317 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425380906 96018 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1425380917 831503 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425380935 587043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425381760 166734 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425381781 333756 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425381920 259910 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425382045 906275 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425382046 94070 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1425382059 364086 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1425382282 899586 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1425383135 17278 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425383330 148412 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1425383784 191349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425383898 444092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1425384392 51646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tough, trough, though, through, thorough, dough, plough, hiccough < 1425384488 228951 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, dough isn't unique < 1425384975 942004 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafellot. why so much matinal suffering. < 1425385093 37971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: wait, I have a list < 1425385117 951151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Pronounciation_of_-ough_in_Englishhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Pronounciation_of_-ough_in_English < 1425385123 126717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many there are depends on the dialect < 1425385887 914386 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VORPAL CHICKEN < 1425388057 450778 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425388109 202655 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425388126 883279 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425388626 336992 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1425389073 100493 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1425389499 774035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425389501 885395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425389523 634560 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1425389716 218145 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1425390332 666364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425390839 176630 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1425390899 312942 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425391274 950537 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425391861 551793 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425391898 281303 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425392216 842521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I made it to that lecture < 1425392221 790591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a very useful lecture < 1425392228 990784 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered to vote during it < 1425392242 198998 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1425392435 720018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably not in pyjamas < 1425392453 967655 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1425392545 405337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was cold outside < 1425392803 928199 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425393958 77251 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PART :#esoteric < 1425394009 217271 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425394195 920849 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425394312 379232 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425394423 393105 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1425394516 867771 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1425395161 913437 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425395343 253152 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425396072 21708 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1425397292 642969 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1425397526 98226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any befunge-like language for more than two dimensions? < 1425397537 813032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge < 1425397550 999847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's been generalized past two though < 1425397551 148405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, past three < 1425397568 584158 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know one < 1425397583 871511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be possible using gifs or the like, but i don't know any < 1425397619 893027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge uses formfeed to separate planes, just like befunge uses newline to separate lines < 1425397663 227886 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1425397765 954413 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be a pain to program in. < 1425397781 554667 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a special editor to know that stuff actually lined up. < 1425397880 636682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Befunge IDEs exist, don't know if they generalise to Trefunge < 1425398184 929485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unefunge is a fun language too < 1425398197 931738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's basically just a subset of Befunge where you don't have to specify y coordinates < 1425398215 442767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unefunge proven to be tc? < 1425398559 407581 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-076-100-246.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1425398583 560549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure unefunge-98 is (assuming at least one fingerprint that gives access to infinite memory in a non-insane way) < 1425398588 467259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even cetain insane ways) < 1425398644 13807 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-076-100-246.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425399024 882739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1425400008 435628 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425400369 509610 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1425400546 241491 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425400732 663946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1425401982 382095 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425403717 5215 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10.5 -- Are we there yet? 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>.> < 1425414198 853317 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it's made to be very simple < 1425414237 779390 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1425414274 881887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1425414282 220768 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425414288 627277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda think of regexps as regexps meets brainfuck already < 1425414294 321370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in the readability department < 1425414301 885035 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1425414311 438842 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what using % to escape stuff instead of \ solves < 1425414315 678401 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also lua patterns) < 1425414430 417952 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\\\\\ vs \\\\ (or with "raw strings" just \\) < 1425414578 251280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean not counting additional string quoting there < 1425414590 329790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's horrible to write regexps in languages where you have to use normal string syntax for it yeah < 1425414673 582625 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abc|def) is clunky, Lua's issue of not being able to do [a-%%] is also clunky < 1425414677 845450 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425414698 261255 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solve both while keeping it simple < 1425414752 268642 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc I also support being able to put [] inside [] (which's just silly but w/e) < 1425414758 781064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda like (abc|def) < 1425414763 72898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a composition of (...) and | < 1425414772 249573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can actually do foo|bar at the top-level) < 1425414773 212147 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I'm lacking: anchors and precedence < 1425414786 985319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying how syntactic grouping without creating a match group is (?:...), though < 1425414794 184376 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, [(foo)(bar)] parsing is easier to code < 1425414844 391817 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1425414863 293235 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't specify if groups are match groups or just syntactic groups < 1425414866 779087 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1425414877 275216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean in normal regexps) < 1425414880 424108 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what version 0.1 is for < 1425414889 960150 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ik < 1425415046 431755 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425415152 149877 :crinzesi!~crinzesi@213.143.60.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425416651 12720 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: memmove is much slower than using memcpy with a scrap buffer. < 1425416723 533068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind of bad if a large memmove caused a large allocation I guess < 1425416735 799196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what happens < 1425416795 912918 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the memcpy is faster because the scrap buffer is allocated only once < 1425416822 134612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously doubt that's what happens < 1425416848 815011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just implement memmove by going backwards or whatever < 1425416855 912011 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1425416856 105962 NAMES :#esoteric < 1425416858 493129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric crinzesi :spamming < 1425416858 814601 :crinzesi!~crinzesi@213.143.60.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425416867 549287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*crinzesi@* > 1425416867 574973 NAMES :#esoteric < 1425416869 86476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric crinzesi :crinzesi < 1425416870 317657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1425416870 343962 NAMES :#esoteric < 1425416871 523247 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I would do, but why would it be slower then? < 1425416880 987871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff about caches or whatever < 1425416881 315714 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :memmove typically needs to check which part of the buffer overlaps and then go forwards/backwards as apporpriate < 1425416895 464694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I doubt one branch makes that much difference < 1425416906 834609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless oren is testing with really tiny n < 1425416942 106547 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tests were in the context of https://github.com/orenwatson/jpeg_tailor < 1425416963 911400 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To remove one pixel from a scanline I copy the rest of the line back < 1425417006 147188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So N is in [0,4K] or something < 1425417134 972875 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425417338 670911 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... Maybe something to do with SIMD instructions? < 1425417395 297022 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1425417565 302784 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1425418385 773259 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How esoteric would you define this to be?: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/in.oshl < 1425418422 44538 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1425418493 110989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pascal, SQL, and some versions of BASIC, there is no string escaping but you can make the string delimiter doubled to make quotations marks inside of the string. < 1425418570 451838 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would happen if you had to output BASIC with "" in from a program written in BASIC? """"? < 1425418683 539443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you have to write it as PRINT CHR$(38)+CHR$(38) < 1425418753 118449 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"""""" < 1425418824 748612 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer hollerith < 1425419492 450041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42092&oldid=42077 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+27) 10/* Quine */ < 1425420253 147217 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : 110 FORMAT (13HHello, World!) < 1425420269 901316 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 WRITE (*,110) < 1425420277 340276 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425420508 841248 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425420581 880852 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-076-100-246.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425420614 432946 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425420674 266361 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-100-246.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425420980 904602 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425421003 159527 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1425421026 583037 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425421057 222093 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1425421560 676458 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Assuming ZFC is consistent, it's possible to explicitly define a countable model of ZFC. < 1425421575 692728 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not computable, but it's definable. < 1425421583 935011 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convenient. < 1425421962 149538 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1425421967 797581 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah what is your definition of convenient? < 1425422017 759964 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What /would/ it take to make set theory computable < 1425422026 284366 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425422267 360940 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:adf6:3e4c:e9b5:e02 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425422469 716786 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any programming languages where sets are a first class data type? < 1425422796 998923 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... It actually might be harder than i thought. you need some way of manipulating infinite sets without reifying them < 1425422950 357693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are < 1425422977 249534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one or two on the wiki even < 1425422988 790096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also type theory is famous for doing this (though with types rather than sets, but) < 1425423008 200149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are constructive set theories. you can compute with them < 1425423012 221281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on what you mean by "computing" though) < 1425423215 264343 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... I guess I don't know what I mean by computing, except that calculators generally don't do it and computers do... < 1425423285 331571 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425423288 753634 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's something to do with the complexity of the input versus the output? < 1425423446 156458 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah... more like, a "computer" has the ability to be programmed with new behaviour. < 1425423476 980694 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas a calculator generally can't < 1425423632 270373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425423705 177847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a computer where there are no programming tools would IMO be just an advanced calculator, not a real computer < 1425423862 957804 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1425424273 484060 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1425424564 870745 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PART :#esoteric < 1425424901 442893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, so like... a smartphone is an advanced calculator? < 1425424927 376848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a games console is an advanced calculator? < 1425425142 328545 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425425186 8592 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much. Their behaviour is too closely linked to their input... Unless the game is minecraft or dwarf fortress etc. < 1425425755 203252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'their behaviour is too closely linked to their input' what does this even mean < 1425426326 913184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that a computer without programming tools won't be very good. < 1425426338 450773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any computer should include programming tools built-in. < 1425426527 298384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there are programmable calculators too < 1425426596 999209 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1425426602 628532 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I first learned to program < 1425426896 326833 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric