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01:17:55 <oren> I swear- antivirus software is actually the cause of viruses.
01:18:20 <fizzie> There was a girl scout cookie selling stand at the BART/Caltrain station in Millbrae.
01:18:53 <zzo38> oren: It is a possibility anyways I think
01:19:55 <oren> See my windows installation was totally fine, up until... I installed the newest flash player-- which came with McAfee for some reason.
01:20:25 <zzo38> I don't have Flash installed, so I don't have this problems
01:20:28 <oren> Suddenly, my windows has that bullshit Astromenda installed!
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01:22:52 <oren> My response to thatsort of thing is to boot into linux and DELETE EVERYTHING that isn't system or created by me
01:23:14 <oren> Which seems to have worked
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02:36:42 <zzo38> I am writing a Turtle parser now
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02:59:35 <zzo38> For parsing Turtle RDF documents
02:59:47 <zzo38> I also made the output into N-Triples format
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03:32:31 <Sketra> What's the hooker per bottle ratio
03:32:40 <Sketra> If you were to liquify them
03:33:12 <ais523> actually I'm kind-of surprised there's a right chat for that
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03:34:12 <Sketra> Me and my friends are discussing how many human bodies you can fit in a basement and we went from dismembering to boxing to liquifying
03:34:28 <Sketra> I'm sorry I just I get dragged into stuff ais
03:34:47 <ais523> yeah, still definitely the wrong chat
03:36:13 <zzo38> I nevertheless still don't know the answer of such questions
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05:00:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BrainClub]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42099&oldid=33850 * Zzo38 * (-109) Broken link removed
05:01:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BrainClub]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42100&oldid=42099 * Zzo38 * (-104) Broken link removed
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05:27:01 <oren> why is there a show called ∀ Gundam but no ∃ Gundam
05:28:18 <zzo38> Maybe they didn't make up that one yet
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05:56:11 <zzo38> The documentation for Turtle says in section 2.7 that a blankNodePropertyList is allowed as a subject, but section 6.5 says it isn't allowed as a subject; it can only be used as an object.
05:57:56 <zzo38> You have to call them on the telephone and tell them to fix the document please.
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17:15:12 <mroman> My chess elo sank below 1000 :(
17:15:59 <mroman> btw there *should* be a copy of Burlesque on my workplace computer
17:17:02 <mroman> I had it installed on it so I'm pretty certain that the source is still on there
17:17:21 <mroman> I don't know how recent though.
17:20:41 <mroman> If it's still on there I can upload a zip to my static hoster of it
17:20:54 <mroman> and somebody can put it into the esoteric file archive or whatever
17:21:32 <mroman> although the documentation will be out of date since all the errors in it people reported I just fixed on the live one
17:21:39 <mroman> all those fixes are gone
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19:07:20 <FireFly> What happened with the live version?
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19:35:24 <zzo38> Your chess elo sank below 1000 in what organization of keeping track of these though?
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20:13:04 <tswett> Have you ever wanted to know the simplest rational approximations to all the multiples of 1/100 from 0 to 1/2?
20:13:10 <tswett> Now you can find out! http://pastie.org/10008144
20:13:27 <int-e> Oh Freenode has been quite stable the last few days.
20:14:07 <int-e> (I'm slightly surprised that fn*rdbot is still around. It has no clue about reconnecting.)
20:18:01 <ais523> tswett: is that basically taking x/100 and reducing to lowest terms?
20:18:32 <tswett> ais523: no. The simplest rational number that rounds to 0.01 is 1/67, not 1/100.
20:18:54 <ais523> oh I see, it's about rounding
20:19:05 <ais523> (because 1/66 rounds to 0.02, presumably
20:19:33 <boily> fnordbot: hello there!
20:19:33 <fnordbot> boily: got to go. " i don't want to go to work at," and he turned. " but who the man with the five heads all the tests, learning to distinguish between him pretending to be an out a wild whoop in major thirds, threw ford prefect, " it's dark," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. ford was running after him very fast? " very pret
20:20:03 <tswett> I guess I should have "simplest rational numbers that round to all two-digit decimals from 0.00 to 0.50".
20:20:38 <ais523> where simplest = smallest denominator, I take it?
20:20:42 <tswett> Prepend /"/said "/ to that and run it as a /// program.
20:20:51 <ais523> is fnordbot on the same codebase as fungot, by any chance?
20:20:52 <fnordbot> ais523: would work, a mere nothingth of a second, and then his mind to have good ideas with, it must be said, some success. " the babel fish," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. " a computer whose merest operational parameters i am not worthy to calculate the trajectory of every single dust particle of the ship. " it hardly ma
20:21:10 <tswett> A mere nothingth? A nothingth is quite a lot.
20:21:17 <ais523> also, at least one of the inputs to that style is the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
20:21:33 <tswett> From now on, instead of saying "four", I'm going to say "one quarterth".
20:22:04 <boily> does that means a nothingth is infinite?
20:22:19 <int-e> this will be good one quarterth one awful pun.
20:29:55 <tswett> Uh oh, the simplest rational number rounding to 0.19 is 31/6.
20:30:05 <tswett> This is a terrible mathematical inconsistency.
20:32:08 <int-e> I hope you mean 6/31...
20:34:27 <ais523> looks like tswett's correction is a better one
20:35:28 <int-e> right. it's not inconsistent, but when truncating a continued fraction decomposition, you also have to consider replacing the last number by a smaller natural number.
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20:38:24 <tswett> > let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/demon) * 100 == t); return (num, demon) in do target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
20:38:25 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
20:38:55 <int-e> Err, whatever, 0.19 = 1/(5+1/(3+1/(1+1/4))); 3/16 = 1/(5+1/3), so it is actually a proper truncation. The theory is a bit more complicated than that anyway, because truncating is not always the right thing to do; I think that sometimes one has to increase the last term by one.
20:39:46 <tswett> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Best_rational_approximations - decrease it by one.
20:39:51 <zzo38> tswett: You didn't define "demon", it look like?
20:39:52 <Koen_> possible incorrect inline indentation!!
20:40:13 <tswett> zzo38: but surely that wouldn't cause a parse error.
20:40:13 <oren> I think it suppose to bedenom
20:40:14 <tswett> > let approx t = do {denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, demon)} in do {target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "}
20:40:16 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:207: parse error on input ‘}’
20:40:31 <tswett> > let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, demon) in do target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
20:40:32 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
20:40:36 <zzo38> Yes that probably isn't the parse error
20:40:46 <zzo38> But, you canuse explicit {;} and then try again too
20:40:53 <oren> The nuremator and demoninator
20:41:50 <oren> burninating the countryside, burninating the peasants
20:42:49 <int-e> tswett: Oh. I was thinking about how to get 1/8 from 0.13 = 1/(7+1/(1+1/(2+1/4))), but of course that's 1/(7 + 1/1).
20:43:23 <oren> sore wa.... SEKAI!
20:43:25 <zzo38> Add the {} around the let block too
20:44:16 <int-e> (1/8 is perhaps wrong, round to even makes it 0.12. 2/15 is the next candidate)
20:44:23 <tswett> > let {approx t = do {denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/demon) * 100 == t); return (num, demon)}} in do {target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "}
20:44:24 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:209: parse error on input ‘}’
20:44:26 <Koen_> int-e: did you know 1/89 = 0.011235... = sum_{n=0..} [ fib(n) * 10^(-2-n) ]?
20:44:31 <oren> round to even is bullshit though
20:44:49 <tswett> let blocks don't have braces, do they?
20:45:00 <tswett> Like, I thought they weren't even permitted.
20:45:07 <boily> oren: どうして「世界」と言うの？
20:45:42 <zzo38> Well, there is also a "inner let" in the do-block, maybe something is wrong wht that
20:46:55 <quintopia> ais523: as the number of states and/or symbols goes to infinity, would you expect the probability that a randomly chosen TM is universal to go to one, zero, or some other constant?
20:47:12 <tswett> > do let x = 3; return 3
20:47:13 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
20:47:31 <Koen_> quintopia: 0, definitely
20:47:32 <ais523> I'd expect it either to go to 1, or some constant based on e
20:47:44 <ais523> it may be different for states going to infinity or symbols going to infinity
20:47:54 <tswett> > let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, demon) in do target <- [0..50]; (x,y) <- return (head (approx target)); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
20:47:57 <int-e> Koen_: no, but it doesn't surprise me too much. I mean, it's just x^3/(1-x-x^2) with x=1/10... Oh you must have fib(0)=1, who does that?
20:48:02 <tswett> > let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, denom) in do target <- [0..50]; (x,y) <- return (head (approx target)); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
20:48:04 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char)
20:48:06 <Koen_> quintopia: you can actually prove that the probability that a string of symbols follows a simple 'logic' is very very very low
20:48:07 <tswett> My inner demons are trying to escape.
20:48:10 <ais523> basically because in order to prove a language with a lot of commands TC, you're normally trying to find a TC subset
20:48:37 <tswett> lambdabot: uh, I didn't *use* the + operator.
20:48:40 <ais523> but it's unclear how likely a randomly generated TM is to have well-behaved subsets (that you can keep within the subset)
20:48:43 <quintopia> but i can't process the decrease rate of the probability of a submachine being "self-contained"
20:48:44 <ais523> this is why I think e is likely relevant
20:48:49 <int-e> tswett: yes you did
20:48:51 <ais523> quintopia: neither can I
20:48:52 <Koen_> int-e: yeah hum I usually have fib(0) = 0, I didn't really think
20:48:56 <ais523> that's why I'm not sure what the answer is
20:49:10 <tswett> > let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, denom) in do target <- [0..50]; (x,y) <- return (head (approx target)); show x ++ "/" ++ show y ++ "; "
20:49:11 <lambdabot> "0.0/1.0; *Exception: Prelude.head: empty list
20:49:58 <int-e> Koen_: (the expression I gave was for fib(0)=1, but it's equal to 1/890)
20:50:08 <quintopia> ais523: i feel like the probability decrease should be roughly on par with the increase in number of submachines though. I lean towards "other constant"
20:50:22 <int-e> Koen_: Uhm. for fib(0)=0.
20:50:23 <tswett> > [ let (x,y) = head . filter (\(x,y) -> round (100*x/y) == n) $ rats in show x ++ "/" ++ show y | n <- [0..50] ]
20:50:40 <ais523> I guess a simpler question is "what probability is it that there's a straight simulation of any given TM in a randomly chosen TM?"
20:50:56 <tswett> > let rats = [ (x,y) | y <- [1..100], x <- [0..y] ] in [ let (x,y) = head . filter (\(x,y) -> round (100*x/y) == n) $ rats in show x ++ "/" ++ show y | n <- [0..50] ]
20:50:57 <lambdabot> ["0.0/1.0","1.0/67.0","1.0/40.0","1.0/29.0","1.0/23.0","1.0/19.0","1.0/16.0"...
20:51:36 <quintopia> ais523: not simple enough for me o_0
20:51:42 <int-e> Koen_: and in any case the real point was that this is fairly easy to verify with generating function theory. And the same theory also allows one to construct such "surprising" identities.
20:51:46 <ais523> yep, it's still a nontrivial question
20:51:46 <Koen_> int-e: I discovered that when I was 13 and I was quite puzzled. I was even more puzzled when I realized rational numbers have a periodic decimal development
20:51:49 <ais523> just easier than the other one
20:52:48 <int-e> Koen_: Oh I can imagine that. Adding lots of random-looking-numbers, why would the result ever be periodic...
20:54:21 <oren> Are the temporaries you get in long division randomism?
20:55:00 <int-e> Koen_: and it probably becomes *more* mysterious if you know the (((1+sqrt(5))/2)^n - ((1-sqrt(5))/2)^n) / sqrt(5) formula :)
20:55:12 <int-e> (if I got that correct)
20:55:32 <int-e> (but I believe I did)
20:55:42 <Koen_> hmmmmmmmm that sounds familiar but I haven't seen that in six years
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21:00:09 <int-e> Koen_: (The nice thing about starting with fib(0) = 0 is that then fib(n) divides fib(m) if (and only if) n divides m.
21:01:13 <Koen_> fib(0) = 0, fib(1) = 1, fib(2) = 1, fib(2) divides fib(1), 2 does not divide 1
21:01:57 <Koen_> I'm guessing your proof assumes n < m though
21:02:17 <int-e> right. sorry, no "only if" then.
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21:03:18 <int-e> (2 does not divide 3 either)
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21:18:08 <int-e> It should work out for n != 2 though. The real identity I was after was gcd(fib(n),fib(m)) = fib(gcd(n,m)), and that is strong enough to get the "only if" direction except for n = +/-2.
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22:27:20 <nortti> http://www.vaxman.de/publications/5_perl.pdf
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22:42:51 <oerjan> <int-e> Koen_: and it probably becomes *more* mysterious if you know the (((1+sqrt(5))/2)^n - ((1-sqrt(5))/2)^n) / sqrt(5) formula :) <-- hm? that immediately gives you that the other one is also the sum of geometric series, so you can calculate it...
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22:46:28 <oerjan> now, does this work in any base...
22:47:47 <oerjan> (1/(1-((1+sqrt(5))/2b)) - 1/(1-((1-sqrt(5))/2b))) / sqrt(5)
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22:48:41 <oerjan> ok it may not be immediately obvious why that should be a rational :/
22:49:23 <oerjan> oh hm obviously 89 = 100 - 10 - 1
22:50:13 <oerjan> fine, the sqrt(5) formula probably doesn't help.
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22:54:29 <boily> at least 58 is 8 + (3 - 1 / 2) * 20...
23:00:41 <Sketra> > 8 + ( 3 - 1 / 3) * 20
23:01:34 <Sketra> > 8 + ( 3 - 1 / 2) * 20
23:02:33 <oerjan> boily: are you trying to understand danish numerals that's the only thing relevant that pops into my mind here
23:03:22 <boily> oerjan: me? absolutely not. what would make you think that? and no, I'm not hiding any mapoles behind my back, no sir.
23:04:18 <Sketra> And why is oerjan hiding from it
23:04:53 <oerjan> boily: because in danish, 58 = otte og halvtreds, which basically means that formula
23:05:27 <boily> oerjan: that's the source of the 58 decomposition I wrote indeed :P
23:05:37 <HackEgo> A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards.
23:05:44 <boily> Sketra: this is a mapole ↑
23:06:10 <Sketra> are danish numbers just alphabetic and pronounced
23:06:40 <oerjan> Sketra: no, they also use ordinary digits hth
23:07:14 <oerjan> Sketra: i'm afraid danish is only fun when you can hear it pronounced, which doesn't work too well over irc
23:08:12 <boily> no. ain't gonna choke on that sentence anymore.
23:08:12 <oerjan> ooh youtube to the rescue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkvqJJvR9U
23:09:38 <boily> ah! it's much better with an audio clip.
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23:11:20 <FireFly> Here's a good documentary on the danish language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
23:11:30 <oerjan> why the fuck has youtube started insisting on playing everything as a video series :(
23:12:03 <boily> [œ] is a nice sound too.
23:12:09 <oerjan> oops accidentally expanded acronym
23:12:27 <boily> because it wasn't hth hth.
23:12:49 <boily> Sketra: so, what are your approximate geographic coördinates, and body weigh?
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23:16:37 <Sketra> Washington state, Tacoma, WA; South puget sound AVE house number unknown: Weight 123 Lbs.
23:18:09 <boily> a precise and timely answer??? what has this chännel come to... oh the fungotity...
23:19:00 <FireFly> About that, what is the current midpoint when projected to earth?
23:19:03 <zzo38> Shouldn't you indicate using degrees of longitude/latitude? Possibly you might also want the amount of elevation
23:19:31 <oerjan> FireFly: but which projection
23:19:45 <boily> until we get a guy living in Peru, I don't think elevation is that important.
23:20:13 <Sketra> 6700 Meters below the earths crust
23:20:24 <oerjan> we _have_ had people in south africa.
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23:20:36 <FireFly> You could derive the elevation from the coordinates, though
23:20:39 <Phantom_Hoover> even then you can get the information from surface elevation at a given point
23:20:42 <oerjan> oh wait that elevation
23:20:44 <zzo38> I thought you were trying to calculate the center of gravity or something like that, in such case you do require elevation too
23:21:04 <zzo38> And the elevation from coordinates might not be good enough since it might be a tower
23:21:08 <FireFly> Or if you want to take the y-position of people living in skyscrapers into account
23:21:26 <oren> 田村さああん～！ やおいって何？
23:21:28 <Phantom_Hoover> realistically i'd guess the cog is somewhere under the north atlantic
23:21:47 <zzo38> You don't need the elevation if you are trying to plot a horoscope, but then you don't need your weight either, and anyways that doesn't seem what you try to make
23:22:24 <oerjan> zzo38: i'm still waiting for a properly relativistic horoscope system
23:22:32 <FireFly> boily: do you have the list of approximate coördinates and body weight somewhere?
23:22:42 <Sketra> window had a cat named Peru who watched the elevation of earth grow steadily sideways?!?!!? We like water melons and eat grains of universes
23:23:05 <oerjan> or at least properly non-earth-centric
23:23:31 <zzo38> oerjan: You already can use the sun as center of measurement if you want to; it doesn't have to be Earth at the center
23:23:40 <oerjan> i wonder what kind of mess the astrologers will make once we do start colonizing other planets
23:23:50 <boily> FireFly: let me upload that...
23:23:58 <zzo38> However, no software I have seen can calculate houses when the center of meausurement isn't the Earth.
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23:24:48 <zzo38> Nevertheless, if you are able to define a zero longitude for the planet or other object, you should be allowed to calculate houses too.
23:25:42 <oerjan> zzo38: now make it work for people born in spaceships
23:25:44 <boily> FireFly: http://lpaste.net/567927726028095488
23:26:25 <Sketra> http://nuttygod.tumblr.com/post/112856765400/hanatakayao-22
23:26:38 <Sketra> How do you spell her name again
23:26:41 <zzo38> oerjan: Using a spaceship as the center of measurement will be more difficult; there doesn't seem to be any way to reasonably do that.
23:27:00 <boily> FireFly: pas de trouble!
23:27:42 <zzo38> I don't see what the ecliptic will be in such a case, for one thing.
23:27:48 <oerjan> zzo38: my idea is that you "really" have a house-like system for each planet, not just the one you're on, it's just that it's irrelevant when the distance to it is huge
23:27:49 <oren> 43.655 N 79.420 W
23:28:42 <oren> That's about where I live
23:30:17 <Sketra> now I can siphon your internet
23:30:19 <zzo38> oerjan: I'm not quite sure exactly how you mean?
23:30:31 <boily> Sketra: just you try, punk.
23:31:42 <oerjan> boily: i'm pretty sure the nick's spelled Lymia btw
23:32:08 <boily> oh. hm. eh. eeeergh...
23:33:13 <Lymia> Computer programs don't have weights. :o
23:34:29 <oerjan> boily: i also have reason to believe that Sketra and Lilax are very very close hth
23:34:42 <zzo38> The physical media to store the computer programs can have weights
23:35:09 <oerjan> as in, probably sharing a body
23:36:22 <Sketra> Excuse me oerjan but I'm much more structured than Lilax although you aren't wrong about the body I'm just more neat and well organised rather than lilax where as he likes to fuck with everything and annoy oerjan
23:36:55 <oerjan> i very carefully avoided saying anything about mind hth
23:37:12 <oren> おえりゃん：ええええええ～～～
23:37:32 <Sketra> But implications are always there
23:37:41 <FireFly> oren: wouldn't using katakana for the first part make more sense?
23:38:14 <Jafet> Islam seems to have worked something out http://archive.wired.com/science/space/news/2007/09/mecca_in_orbit
23:38:52 <Sketra> I forgot how to order pizza
23:39:49 <oerjan> well you take the slices and then you put the smallest one on the left and the biggest one on the right
23:40:20 <oren> ｢ｵｴﾘｬﾝ｣と書いていい？
23:40:27 <boily> oren: 僕は「oerjan」の発音が/œrjæn/でしょう？
23:40:42 <oerjan> shall i really have to open the logs in google translate again.
23:41:01 <boily> oerjan: we were surmising about the most probable way your name's pronounced.
23:41:42 <boily> oren: だから、「エリャン」っていい？たぶん？
23:41:56 <oerjan> argh GT refuses to open tunes.org
23:41:59 <pikhq> "eryan" da to omou, ne
23:43:10 <pikhq> demo sa, "eriyan" mo "uryan" mo "oeryan" mo kanousei ga aru.
23:43:34 <oerjan> boily: i seem to be unable to follow the discussion without jumping through more hoops than i have patience for.
23:44:10 <FireFly> They mainly seem to be about how to express ø using japanese syllables
23:44:11 <oren> boily: he saidd they're all possibilities
23:44:14 <boily> comment ça, ウ? ça fait pas de sens des affaires de même là là!
23:44:28 <boily> (just to make oerjan jump through an additional loop :P)
23:44:30 <pikhq> A, soshite "ixeruhaan". ne?
23:47:10 <oerjan> btw it's probably /œɾjan/
23:47:33 <oerjan> *btw it's probably /œɾjɑn/
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23:49:49 <oren> デンマーク語はどんなＲがある？
23:51:36 <boily> oren: フランス語の「r」音は同じですhth
23:52:42 <Sketra> None pizza with left beef
23:53:11 <boily> Either Beef (Maybe Pizza).
23:54:16 <oerjan> btw i'm not danish hth
23:54:31 <oerjan> (i certainly roll my r's)
23:54:47 <boily> my rs don't roll at all :(
23:55:17 <oerjan> but neither english not french r is correct for my dialect
23:57:01 <Sketra> brb I'm choking on something
23:57:07 <boily> nope. whatever I do, it still sounds like at most /œʀjɑn/.
23:57:16 <oren> I can do a W-like r, a flapped r or a rolling spanish r
23:58:01 <FireFly> I can't pronounce a rolling r either :\
23:58:38 <oren> In anime tough guys roll their rs like "horrrrra, kono yarrrrrooo!"
23:58:41 <Sketra> I can't roll my r's eirher
23:59:20 <Sketra> When I try it comes out as a low growl
23:59:28 <pikhq> Yeah. The typical Japanese "r" is a tapped "r", and it's a quick step from there to rolling it.