< 1425946021 0 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425946874 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425946989 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1425947001 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that ex < 1425947006 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1425947024 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1425948677 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425949685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42104&oldid=42072 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+29) 10 < 1425949739 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425949926 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42105&oldid=42104 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+0) 10 < 1425950051 0 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425950838 0 :arjanb!8259abed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.237 QUIT :Quit: . < 1425951417 0 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1425951513 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425951898 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425952784 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out now that the URI of a UUID is "urn:uuid:" followed by the UUID in lowercase < 1425952973 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425953099 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425953238 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1425953247 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's new < 1425953369 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for sharing your knowledge zzo38 < 1425954559 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425954632 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425954868 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425954875 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425954900 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it cheaper to buy one large SD card or several smaller ones? < 1425955058 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, price seems to be linear with the data size < 1425955111 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it's not linear. WTF < 1425955186 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :64GB=70$ 32GB=17$ 16GB=10$ < 1425955219 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the best deal is at 32gb sdcards? < 1425955227 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, i think you can find cheaper SD cards than that < 1425955247 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, check the data rate and such too, I guess < 1425955257 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on futureshop.ca... maybe if I go to koreatown < 1425955272 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have any price comparison sites over there? < 1425955338 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be able to find 64GB SDXC cards for ~300 SEK ≈ 35 USD < 1425955383 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I see... walmart has much better prices < 1425955500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As said, not all SD cards are equal from a performance point of view. < 1425955548 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think i need high speed, this is just to put in my mp3 player < 1425955654 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "class 10" mean? < 1425955710 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, it means the same as 100x CD drive < 1425955745 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1425955811 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 MB/s, or some such. Though it can get confusing. < 1425955848 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like UHS class 1 is regular class 10 or something. < 1425955933 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some cards probably still have those "133x"-style numbers related to nominal CD drive speeds. < 1425956101 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it seems there's little benefit to getting multiple smaller sd cards < 1425956186 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll just get one 64GB one < 1425956198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the GB/$ curve has a peak somewhere in the middle. < 1425957708 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1425958243 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425958890 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newer generation rival sata 3 drives! < 1425958940 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is apparently fast < 1425958960 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:194f:5b26:4687:171c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425959553 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Suppose a genetic algorithm had its mutations driven by a neural network. < 1425959934 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have two buzzwords < 1425960870 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse sounds like the more obvious arrangment. < 1425960947 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why reversing them wouldn't be interesting. < 1425961076 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you mean a genetic algorithm where the fitness is determined by the output of a neural network that analyses the candidates using its own learning criteria? < 1425961154 0 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ad66:ebce:523:60f3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425961179 0 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ad66:ebce:523:60f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425961781 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yeah that is what i was thinking < 1425961807 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that also factored in < 1425961925 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds nice, though that depends on it being made to do a cool thing. What kind of things would you have it do? < 1425962421 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425962790 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425962906 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425963593 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510474.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425963756 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1425964212 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425964330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher doesn't have the problem of needing to program the files on the server for different kind of devices, user interfaces, etc; it already is suitable for any kind of interface and was ever since it was invented. (This includes keyboard, mouse, printing terminal, hand-held, touch-screen, game-system, and even by fax where you have to fill in the circles by pencil) < 1425964399 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet, a lot of people won't use it. You have to learn to write a gopher server, gopher client, and also to set up the server < 1425965109 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phase In {1U} Instant :: Phase in all cards that are currently phased out. :: Cycling {2} < 1425966417 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510474.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425966528 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425966752 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425967282 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1425967355 0 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1425967570 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1425967942 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425968516 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:194f:5b26:4687:171c QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1425968962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425970487 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind of Limited format of Magic: the Gathering could be, each player gets ten additional cards, the same set of ten cards each player, those cards must be used in each player's deck and cannot be placed into the sideboard before the game starts. These cards are selected at random from everything. After that then you do draft or sealed, and can choose which of those cards to include and exclude and to add basic lands. < 1425972434 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425972717 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1425972739 0 :asie!~asie@apn-95-40-70-227.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1425972741 0 :asie!~asie@apn-95-40-70-227.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1425974236 0 :asie!~asie@apn-95-40-70-227.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425975143 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425975597 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425975621 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425975642 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1425975861 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425976702 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1425976719 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1425978115 0 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425978291 0 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425979694 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REGULATED CHICKEN < 1425979912 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1425982068 0 :S1!~S1@firewall.hb.dhbw-stuttgart.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1425982154 0 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1425983789 0 :S1!~S1@firewall.hb.dhbw-stuttgart.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1425984071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425984860 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425985420 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1425985450 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425986198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1425986512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425987345 0 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: brb < 1425987440 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Damian Yerrick 5* 10New user account < 1425987535 0 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1425987605 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1425987615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07C-14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42106&oldid=31176 5* 03Damian Yerrick 5* (+158) 10Not to be confused with real C-- < 1425987717 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C-- still a thing? < 1425987807 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real C--, complex C++ < 1425987821 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People should just use BCPL < 1425987824 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we all be good < 1425988287 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is imaginary. < 1425988629 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1425989437 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, C-- is an intermediate language GHC uses < 1425989471 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprising. < 1425989477 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since SPJ is involved in it :) < 1425989640 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1425989644 0 :oren!~oren@public-248-100.nat.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1425990211 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there LISP editors with scaling parantheses? < 1425991175 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the outermost parantheses will be largest and possibly span multiple lines) < 1425991659 0 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425991735 0 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425991907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425992156 0 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1425992408 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425992727 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1425993217 0 :oren!~oren@public-248-100.nat.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1425994032 0 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425994040 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425994220 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425994348 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is C-- still a thing? <-- it basically lost to llvm < 1425994400 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is probably only used in ghc, ironically often with an llvm backend. < 1425995179 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write llvm code directly < 1425995180 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1425995200 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it binary? < 1425995219 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's both < 1425995246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42107&oldid=42105 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+104) 10/* Program flow */ < 1425995258 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know llvm < 1425995284 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define i32 @main(i32 %argc, i8** %argv) nounwind { < 1425995296 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i recall some haskell-related talk about whether to use the binary api or the written representation < 1425995296 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks cool to me. < 1425995364 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i vaguely recall that the binary api is recommended if you're generating it by program < 1425995719 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reading docs* ohhh, no-unwind, not noun-wind! < 1425995746 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nounwind the reverbs < 1425995872 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can tell it to use any number of bits for an integer < 1425995935 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ialeph2 < 1425995969 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe i'll start writing in this instead of C < 1425996934 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not cross-platform. < 1425996941 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance ABI. < 1425997545 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it cross-platform to all x86-64? < 1425997559 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1425997564 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually probably not < 1425997578 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since win64 and linux differ on calling conventions, but then it's not OS-portable either < 1425997589 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww boo... < 1425997592 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe you could write OS-portable LLVM IR if you really tried but it sounds hard < 1425997606 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, since ABI < 1425997617 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZSNES is written in cross platform assembly somehow < 1425997630 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy mofos < 1425997883 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could use their own call convention for internal calls? < 1425997902 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1425997905 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of ifdefs for portability < 1425997935 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, LLVM is SSA, it's not very human-writable :p < 1425997949 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm what does the CLR run on? < 1425998008 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right it runs on CIL < 1425998066 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL looks a lotmore writable < 1425998229 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is still an assembly language. But it has first-class string type < 1425998254 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also totally different to LLVM < 1425998263 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM is for generating compiled, optimised native code, usually < 1425998264 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLR is a VM < 1425998274 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM is a compiler backend/intermediate language, not really a VM any more < 1425998285 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it ever was) < 1425998288 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not compile CLR though? < 1425998329 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1425998338 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, of course you can, I have exe's that i compiled from C#. < 1425998472 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless C# exes are internally just bytecode? < 1425998579 0 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1425998736 0 :oren_!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1425998751 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1425998801 0 :oren_!?@? NICK :oren < 1425999033 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1425999151 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can do either jit compilation or compile to a native exe ahead of time. < 1425999328 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# .exes are just CLR yes < 1425999341 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some kind of CIL compiler though maybe I think. it might be new? < 1425999345 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*native compiler < 1425999349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42108&oldid=42107 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+2128) 10/* Constants */ < 1425999352 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the VM is still at a higher-level to LLVM, by far. < 1425999357 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM doesn't know about objects or even heap allocation. < 1425999421 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42109&oldid=42103 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+121) 10Now categories on the other hand < 1426000823 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, C by itself technically doesn't know about the heap either < 1426000853 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ does though < 1426000872 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1426001473 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1426001474 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, apparently you can just load your own version of the new operatorif you're psycho enough < 1426001622 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run C# .exes in mono as long as they don't make use of windows-specific APIs (Windows Forms does work) < 1426002163 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: C++ doesn't know about the heap specifically, although it has a more detailed memory model < 1426002176 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ tends to do everything better than C these days < 1426002453 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: have they abandoned bugward compatibility to C yet? < 1426002639 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes < 1426002659 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't changed the major misfeatures of C which have been baked into the language, but on small things, they've broken it < 1426002677 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they only give the slightest damn what the C committee thinks these days < 1426002736 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:194f:5b26:4687:171c JOIN :#esoteric < 1426002890 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcode backdoors < 1426002890 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1426003846 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426003869 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1426003917 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426004306 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426004310 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1426004310 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1426004937 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1426005056 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1426005380 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2601:9:8300:f300:194f:5b26:4687:171c QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1426005394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426005649 0 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ad66:ebce:523:60f3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426005651 0 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426005696 0 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ad66:ebce:523:60f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426005723 0 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426006399 0 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426006645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1426006967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426007134 0 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1426007264 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426007628 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, that's scary. Someone just pointed out to me that I can't look at a word without reading it. < 1426007767 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a matter of choosing the proper script for the task. < 1426007777 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1426007814 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1426007816 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: this works for me, for example: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9 < 1426007846 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1426008043 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which implies that i'm slowly losing my ability to look at a chinese character without reading it, as i gain the ability to read them < 1426008124 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a fun one. < 1426009132 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426009239 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1426009476 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426010664 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426010675 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqvucqidynpxjtcl JOIN :#esoteric < 1426010830 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1426010889 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1426011523 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1426011892 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426012042 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new macbook has only one USB-C port on the whole thing.... what the actual fuck? < 1426012098 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$19 adapter to get a normal usb port on the damn thing < 1426012114 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, admittedly it looks very clean < 1426012137 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your phone probably only has a micro-USB slot < 1426012150 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a phone < 1426012154 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1426012178 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(only) (has)/\2 \1/ < 1426012199 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the macbook have a headphone jack even? < 1426012209 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1426012260 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426012298 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it does. There. They just killed it < 1426012374 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426012448 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it has one, but none of their pictures showed it < 1426013039 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What surprised me was the whole thing where you charge it through that single USB type C port, too. < 1426013072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had some kind of an adapter so that you could charge it while still having a USB device connected? < 1426013126 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This work laptop has a nonstandandard mini-connector for Ethernet. < 1426013169 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a dongle to stick in a regular cable. But the dongle is not a regular USB-to-Ethernet thing, it's just an adapter for the custom connector. < 1426013194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's slightly smaller than a USB port, so I guess it saves space over having a third USB port. < 1426013221 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's got two regular USB 3's.) < 1426013258 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specs page lists the Ethernet port as a "Ethernet Extension Connection". < 1426013310 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a mini-DP and a full-size HDMI, so I guess for an "ultrabook" this thing is relatively okay. < 1426013327 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboard is ridiculous, though. < 1426013370 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use a usb keyboard and a usb mouse when i use my computer at a desk < 1426013412 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, on my previous laptop that was necessary. this one has a fullsize keyboard) < 1426013434 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I use the same setup out of habit < 1426013465 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is just weird. Caps lock and backspace have been split in the middle (with no gap, just a sort of a bevel thing) into a Home/End and backspace/delete bi-keys. < 1426013520 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut? < 1426013559 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the function key row is a strip of some sort of touch-sensitive material, and touching the leftmost edge swaps between showing F1..F12 (plus four random special symbols) and showing more special stuff (bridgness, volume, some symbols I have no idea what they mean). < 1426013611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, there's a single symbol that has a camera and a hand and some extra "motion" lines for the hand. So it's the "wave hand at camera" button. < 1426013623 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1426013651 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen some cray keyboards but nothing like that < 1426013697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is the "cut" symbol, and then there's a cloud, and then there's a "speaking" icon (face and "sound waves" from the mouth). < 1426013709 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these result in any events as seen by xev. < 1426013720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they've really had Linux in mind for this thing. < 1426013749 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend has this monstrous 20" abomination that has a light-up volume slider thing and a fingerprint password thing < 1426013777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a fingerprint sensor next to the keyboard on this too. < 1426013792 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, this thing is the Lenovo "X1 Carbon" ThinkPad. < 1426013816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I seem to recall they had two separate hardware revisions, and maybe the keyboard in the first one was less weird or something. < 1426013826 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All reviews about this thing I've seen have mostly complained about the keyboard. < 1426013853 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah my friend's laptop is also a lenovo of some sort < 1426013856 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's pretty nice as far as regular typing and such goes. The touch-panel for the function keys lacks any feel, of course. < 1426013898 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... maybe it's an asus? < 1426014191 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426014507 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I looked up the laptop, looks like the newest version has a more normal keyboard < 1426014704 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FP: "the new macbook has only 8GB of RAM" Me: "only? ONLY?" < 1426014946 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this one has only 8GB too. < 1426014963 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: split caps lock actually sounds like a neat idea... I mean, it's not as if its original function is any useful, and if you're going to replace it you might as well stick two keys there instead of just one < 1426015001 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It's possibly not a bad idea for anyone who had been keeping it as a caps lock and never pressing it. < 1426015005 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426015019 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: If you've done the popular thing and swapped ctrl/capslock, it's probably somewhat confusing. < 1426015038 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ctrl/esc on my caps lock < 1426015071 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind being able to put another modifier on the left half of the caps lock (since it's the right half I tend to reach for the ctrl/esc functionality) < 1426015074 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that one of the "modifier when pressed with something, esc when pressed alone" kind of thing? < 1426015081 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1426015133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This keyboard also moves esc down from the function row, so that it's right next to '1'. < 1426015194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the key formerly next to 1 (which is §/½ in the Finnish keymap, and not-and-broken-bar or some-such in UK) is between altgr and ctrl on the right side of the spacebar, the place where you'd normally find a menu key and maybe a right Windows key. < 1426015213 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no menu key in this thing at all, which I mind a little, since I've used that as compose. < 1426015353 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I’m the only one who thinks replacing capslock with level3shift is the best thing. < 1426015362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :An image is worth a kiloword, so https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZAejVOUmt5eVpQZkk/view < 1426015388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm here in Mountain View anyway, I went to the Computer History Museum on Sunday. < 1426015413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one of those Lisp machines with the Symbolics six-modifier keyboards there. < 1426015435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Control, shift, symbol, meta, super and hyper.) < 1426015507 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks. Has control, shift, level3shift, level5shift, alt, super. < 1426015585 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a Connection Machine cube, but it's pretty boring with no leds lit. < 1426015680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's the working Difference Engine No. 2. They've also got one back in London, but I don't think they show people how it runs. < 1426015703 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do those home|end and ⌫|delete keys send the codes one would expect from the keys with the same engraving on a more usual keyboard? < 1426015722 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: As far as I can tell, yes. At least they worked out of the box. < 1426015766 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. >ω> So every other layout has to be tweaked to work right on it. < 1426015802 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you mean by "right". I mean, if you want them to do what they say they do... < 1426015831 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a boring unmodified "setxkbmap fi nodeadkeys" on this. But I don't use the laptop all that much either. < 1426015923 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it’s not as bad as some. < 1426015971 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my rgular input, I am using a custom IME with ` mapped to a whole bunch of shortcuts < 1426016049 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔣𝔯𝔞𝔠𝔱𝔲𝔯 < 1426016108 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why, if laptop vendors are fine with sticking the keypad into the main block + fn, they don’t do so with the rest of the stuff outside the main block. < 1426016269 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because volume control and opening a browser with the vendor's homepage are important features? < 1426016283 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I made up the latter, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a real thing.) < 1426016403 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The "adaptive keys" in this thing are supposed to have five modes: home mode, web-browser mode, web-conference mode, function mode and lay-flat mode. < 1426016405 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426016414 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven’t ever seen them fill up the left side of the keyboard with that. < 1426016424 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to get to all those modes, the toggle-mode switch on Linux just toggles between two. < 1426016460 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The home mode and the function mode, apparently. < 1426016535 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. The cloud key "opens the predefined cloud application". < 1426016573 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the butt key opens the predefined butt application < 1426016901 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my computer has mostly useful buttons. My external keyboard, however, has a full range of useless keys from calculator to five "multimedia keys" < 1426016995 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is bfjoust still a thing? or did that finally die? < 1426016997 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1426017086 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill < 1426017121 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill is on the channel < 1426017141 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it still popular? < 1426017165 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idono < 1426017177 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll assume it's not < 1426017233 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: if "multimedia keys" means volume control, I would say that's actually useful < 1426017273 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means pause, play, stop, forward and back. < 1426017280 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1426017309 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the volume control knob isn't a key and is useful < 1426017390 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1426017415 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should map these keys to useful things. like opening a new terminal < 1426017474 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multimedia keys could be useful if they switched windows around < 1426017592 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find media control to be pretty useful, although I don't have any dedicated keys for it (and even if I did, I probably wouldn't use them) so I have mapped play/pause, prev, next to win+alt+(h,t,n) instead < 1426017629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: BFJousting usually happens in waves. It's not popular now, but it might well be again in the future. < 1426017648 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: makes sense < 1426017650 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would have something similar if he ever figured out an easy reliable way to do it. < 1426017654 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly when I play music I just put on a 5-12 hour youtube videos, so the media keys don't even work < 1426017661 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's happened several times already. There's a brief (a week or two) boom, and then things die down again. < 1426017728 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: to do what? < 1426017749 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Media control. < 1426017800 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1426017846 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bind the keys to `mpc toggle`, `mpc prev`, `mpc next` using xbindkeys < 1426017950 0 :merdach!~k@2610:10:20:978::198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426017950 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426017968 0 :merdach!~k@stargate.cat.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1426017990 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t use mpd; I’d want it to affect rhythmbox and vlc, depending on if vlc is running. < 1426018029 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe you could come up with something using dbus < 1426018059 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1426018090 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there’s a protocol there, but I never got around to using it. < 1426018121 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did actually manage to make volume keys work, which is a separate issue. < 1426018163 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don’t have them on my keyboard, but my headset sends appropriate keyboard events.) < 1426018568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made volume keys work the other day as XMonad bindings. < 1426018599 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is in fact how I did it too. < 1426018759 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426018818 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1426018850 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly ping Gregor just in case < 1426018853 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1426019039 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist <-- thanks although ideally you should include the number hth < 1426019133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops bad move gnomes < 1426019233 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426019248 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like running a strange and obscure operating system for some reason. Any ideas? In fact, are esoteric operating systems even a thing? < 1426019286 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :temple OS hth < 1426019301 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Beat you to it, someone suggested it in another channel < 1426019325 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other thoughts: oberon or plan 9 < 1426019336 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't tried any of those personally, mind you < 1426019443 0 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric < 1426019512 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are esoteric operating systems even a thing?" Well #osdev is a thing < 1426019518 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably find some esoteric OSes there < 1426019550 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Already there < 1426019554 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1426019766 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obscure operating systems are certainly a thing people do. < 1426019822 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/pavlov.html < 1426019838 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/petrovich.html rather < 1426019848 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426019862 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that explains why it didn't ring a bell < 1426019910 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426019958 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426019972 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon it's just "Fr", and then "F", and then "". < 1426020004 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect some of those may not be available < 1426020016 0 :oerjan!?@? NICK :Fr < 1426020022 0 :Fr!?@? NICK :F < 1426020029 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1426020031 0 :F!?@? NICK :oerjan < 1426020041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you at least got some "has been registered" messages? < 1426020043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both registered < 1426020053 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them protected < 1426020078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1426020116 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426020145 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426020158 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426020193 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426020204 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426020229 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426020274 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426020427 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426020459 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426020493 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426020522 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: you're gradually approaching a #fixyourconnection ban hth < 1426020555 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if i can remember the actual syntax) < 1426020557 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426020725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that i cannot seem to google it < 1426020728 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :+b nick!user@host$#channel. Or possibly ##channel. < 1426020742 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's the precise channel i'm trying to google < 1426020747 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1426020761 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :##c uses ##stop_join_flood. < 1426020785 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it's not the only similar channel.) < 1426020814 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it seems to be ##fixyourconnection < 1426021300 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1426021337 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1426021337 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1426021944 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1426022052 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"annoying oerjan" < 1426022052 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1426022175 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426022444 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426023377 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait what < 1426023433 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1426023485 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac still molasses, well it should be fixed soon since i saw spj complain >:) < 1426023486 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a gerund, not an adjective. < 1426023502 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't interpret it any other way < 1426023521 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't connect it with the ##fixyourconnection discussion at first < 1426023570 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh it actually timed out < 1426023573 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how appropriate. < 1426023598 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/connect/*connect*/g for emphasis) < 1426023615 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426023645 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured. < 1426023650 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1426023716 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1426023755 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly starst wondering what fmnssun means < 1426023759 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ts < 1426025412 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f minus sun? ~ < 1426025573 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnrh < 1426025876 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not really help? < 1426025945 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're getting the hang of this! < 1426027365 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426027468 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1426028450 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgthot < 1426028491 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgthot? what's a sgthot twh plzkthx < 1426028544 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still getting the hang of this hth < 1426028614 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o. s i i. tdh. t. < 1426028630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426028630 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, hellørjan, because traditions.) < 1426028641 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Jafellot btw!) < 1426028643 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who isn't Sgt Cool < 1426028659 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh. < 1426028671 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily < 1426028708 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just acronymize to swisc and it'll all be clear (tsial) < 1426028733 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tpsial < 1426028736 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWISs Cheese? < 1426028759 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Psong Sof Ice And Lire? < 1426028782 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1426028858 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supernatural Wraith In Substantial Corpses? Tremendous Spectres Isolated from Abyssal Lands? < 1426028961 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :t** p******* s******* i* a l** hth < 1426029100 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brains... thinks... grinds... < 1426029491 0 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426030073 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could acronymize hellørjan to hø < 1426030135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hø hø hø < 1426030211 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tsial" works as well for some values of t, fwiw < 1426030720 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426030831 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1426031176 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ak-RAW-nim-ize < 1426031245 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ak.ʁɔ.nim.i.fje/ < 1426031264 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k\./.k/ < 1426031287 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the something something is a lie hth < 1426031311 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Sgeo is a lie? < 1426031452 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains so much! < 1426031615 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2803 hth < 1426031631 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got this via the iwc forum, i think) < 1426031705 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :丅Дイ:嘘だ! < 1426031719 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that was too hard to find, i hate that IE seems to only find _some_ urls when autocompleting from the logs :( < 1426031783 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Downtack De I??? And no, I won't use soda. < 1426031798 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CURVED CHICKEN < 1426031845 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a angry face, in referance to higurashi hth