< 1426723242 718117 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426723669 366187 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbtktjgebalmorks QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1426723943 762150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150319-mtv.jpg < 1426723943 763932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1426724242 656432 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zktadtkonghaccwb JOIN :#esoteric < 1426724656 816705 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1426724759 640144 :iamevn!~evn@c-67-201-217-24.reshall.wwu.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1426725061 320961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They're entirely different. ш is /ʃ/ while сь is /s'/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejective_consonant has a sample of the latter. < 1426725094 504435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so fortunately my first instinct was about right: s' starts out pretty much like a normal s) < 1426725111 839891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I wasn't certain enough about that to share that idea) < 1426725225 695617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night < 1426725255 195159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :java still keeps blocking wikipedia's sound app :( < 1426725266 165219 :\oren\!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1426725303 874231 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426725384 959921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e I am extremely skeptical at your ejective consonant claim, are you sure the ' you found was really meant as the proper ipa symbol? < 1426725385 64539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1426725399 558319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1426725438 42581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology doesn't use that symbol < 1426725522 504828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Ru-%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%8C.ogg < 1426725536 132986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere near /ʃ/ < 1426725550 864315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1426725559 752945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :высь < 1426725577 489020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the page you just linked to < 1426725581 583616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1426725606 391423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically cannot listen to any mediawiki sounds < 1426725651 91806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sʲ] is what they use there, mm. < 1426725712 747873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I really should sleep. < 1426725756 605233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet dreams < 1426725843 391081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ш is in the same spot as ж then i think i get a better idea, the latter is supposedly slightly retroflexy < 1426725870 18078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it says retroflex on the ipa link < 1426725881 812102 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you retroflexy? < 1426725882 175926 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well then. how's the implementation?') on channel in case am being ignored, since i don't think < 1426725901 476843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes you think. < 1426725901 552105 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that was a bit of predicates < 1426725908 89299 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: touché. < 1426725908 443052 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the whole point of standards is fnord? ( i never used modems as file storages! type `/msg egobot !hangman word < 1426725915 244875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ш is supposedly about the same as norwegian rs < 1426725959 482981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fungot has detected the true evil of standards < 1426725959 725659 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you?)) for fnord and fnord." and by " right thing" < 1426725959 726658 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you got me trying to pronounce an «r» at the same place as a ш. it's not a good feeling. < 1426725980 467989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um rs is _not_ a trill in norwegian hth < 1426725997 880880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an honest-to-goodness retroflex fricative < 1426725999 647775 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? “rs” is a digraph? < 1426726003 647375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1426726011 402902 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders
< 1426726017 459982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r+dental generally means retroflex in norwegian < 1426726031 972631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even across word boundaries < 1426726072 550430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I learned that I'm French, and today you're telling me that retroflexes spill across boundaries. we live in a mad world. < 1426726124 675005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1426726146 471591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, that's about the only sandhi/liaison norwegian has < 1426726153 585821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1426726285 141788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: norwegian has many digraphs. gj, kj, sj, even a trigraph: skj (same sound as sj) < 1426726348 829922 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sings «gje gje gje gje ♪»
< 1426726349 923966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk may count too, it's also the same sound in front of some vowels/diphthongs < 1426726372 235507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's exactly how it's pronounced < 1426726382 222383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may also be written just j < 1426726392 386047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just g in front of the same vowels < 1426726432 342417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a general feature of the combinations ending in j < 1426726505 442712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not big on unique spelling of phonemes < 1426726695 667287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly tests that his own dialect also sandhis palatalization
< 1426726713 455196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a feature of the norwegian that's taught to foreigners < 1426726726 583296 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandhi tte nani? < 1426726741 237310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: wat < 1426726754 513134 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is sandhi? < 1426726798 515159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a term from sanskrit < 1426726825 550167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language is supposedly even fiercer than french at making phonology cross word boundaries < 1426726864 945860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandhi < 1426726929 21936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :french "liaison" is a subset < 1426727046 704227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it also covers things inside words < 1426727086 540333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess norwegian has some more of that < 1426727172 949562 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... So japanese rendaku is included < 1426727181 67248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to mention that < 1426727265 537305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :French liaison is strangely logical, and goes with the actually written spelled letters. < 1426727358 324758 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only the french would put ' whereever letters aren't said, that would be great < 1426727413 655308 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like je parl' tu parl' < 1426727470 426039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nic' idea < 1426727513 282977 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A'tho' not that english has any ri't telling french what to do in that regard < 1426727551 624394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you < 1426727593 41524 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously I can't think of a word in which 'gh' is pronounced < 1426727612 578740 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, rite, the word laff! < 1426727701 354390 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, 'laugh' which is not /læug/) < 1426727777 533070 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good moderate spelling reform would be to respell all words containing 'gh' < 1426727836 113350 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except benghazi and other legitimately foreign words) < 1426727952 896369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426728012 434732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426728012 712522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net QUIT :Changing host < 1426728012 718046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1426728099 7286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch'parl', tsu parl', i parl', a parl', on parl', vous parlez, i parl'. < 1426728120 10903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably «vou parlé» if you're going to be phonetic.) < 1426728146 176311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsu? a? < 1426728172 258807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not making a good argument for making french spelling phonetic :P < 1426728218 950331 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1426728219 158067 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brite gost ruffly laffed at the eity hi firefiters < 1426728222 923229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea what "a" is supposed to be
< 1426728252 878611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok unless you're crazy enough to pronounce elle that way < 1426728298 365941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muah ah ah ah ah. < 1426728313 457442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's informally pronounced that way. < 1426728328 174252 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the words tho and thru are already standard spellings < 1426728376 394420 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: /se.skæ.lɑ.dzi/ ← “that's what she said” < 1426728379 158668 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1426728384 904728 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426728423 960020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oren/oerjan/, but I guess oren fits too. < 1426728449 69874 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce est que l'elle dit? < 1426728499 68113 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I get that right? < 1426728503 404857 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1426728507 328159 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«c'est ce qu'elle a dit», but close enough. < 1426728509 400738 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/right/rite/ < 1426728542 472934 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enuff < 1426728599 735576 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /l/ in there is liaison between «elle» and «a». if it hadn't been there, it would've been /se.skæˑ.dzi/ «c'est ce qu'elle dit». < 1426728658 565196 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feendish < 1426728710 315968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :devadehosa < 1426728725 962155 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a devadehosa? < 1426728740 468459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dævadæhosa < 1426728788 758119 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oerjan is speaking in tongues again. care to translate? < 1426728789 83526 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: very cool. fpga). fnord) some kind of pervert. " let out your inner perl programmer! < 1426728812 420292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good, except the perl < 1426728816 164734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426728881 77088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i merely translated your phrase to my dialect. after a brief detour through some other dialect because i couldn't remember my own hth also it's stressed on the o < 1426728932 163437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it may possibly be my grandparents') < 1426728948 730020 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print"this is a regex matching itself"if($i~=s/(??{$i})/) < 1426728987 862736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles oren for public indecency
< 1426729015 390476 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what your grandmother said. < 1426729036 376013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :devadehofarmorsa < 1426729318 687 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so we have fite-fought, buy-bought, seek-sought, and teach-taught. What the hell is this somewhat-regular insanity < 1426729341 630557 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight < 1426729377 619498 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we'd spell them fot, bot, sot, and tot respectively? < 1426729475 395631 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring-rang-rung, sing-sang-sung, bring-brang-brung... < 1426729500 728550 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brot < 1426729512 899950 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. (borang, borung :P) < 1426729549 544419 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P: < 1426729562 1193 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that, my tongue's not long enough. < 1426729595 612582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto-indoeuropean was a badass language < 1426729618 239465 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: based on phonology alone, even < 1426729628 792964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1426729633 117359 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(French verbs are regular too! devoir-dû, avoir-eu, lire-lu, mouvoir-mu, pouvoir-pu, savoir-su, taire-tu, voir-vu...) < 1426729654 809391 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/mu/mû/) < 1426729664 690112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but you can't blame those on PIE so much < 1426729701 32569 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive drove driven dive dove divven? < 1426729701 690493 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feeling is that pouvoir and voir can be easily traced back to PIE without too many changes. < 1426729717 556723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a time traveller took french back and it eventually turned into PIE < 1426729732 167709 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive driven, gave given, it's dangerous to stay ♪ < 1426729743 557771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well sure, but the fact they're that irregular in french isn't really PIE's fault < 1426729751 671742 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potere < 1426729756 554929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike sing/sang/sung < 1426729764 243990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: potesse, actually < 1426729766 947038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1426729768 535335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*posse < 1426729776 518164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1426729781 412674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up < 1426729808 420226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/possum#Latin < 1426729811 861300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :posse was right < 1426729833 20065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it was irregular in latin but french turned it up a notch < 1426729852 877717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :voir wasn't really that irregular though < 1426729858 917133 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way only two verbs in Japanese are irregular < 1426729862 726884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok maybe a little < 1426729886 901685 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426729889 622860 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately they are very common verbs < 1426729912 855021 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426729914 319939 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoir and être have endless resources of fun! syncretism for the win! < 1426729935 958408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think avoir was entirely regular in latin < 1426729981 111482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/habeo < 1426729982 997202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j'ai, j'aurai, j'avais, j'ai eu, que j'aie... < 1426730015 43519 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis, je serai, j'étais, j'ai été, que je sois. < 1426730018 485757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :être not so much, and i learned the other day that some of that _does_ go back to PIE < 1426730083 298654 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taberu-tabenai-tabeta-tabemasu(eat) iru-inai-itta-imasu(to be) but then... kuru-konai-katta-kimasu(to come, WTF) < 1426730085 24697 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish kept their ser y estar separate, whereas we conflagrated ours. < 1426730117 451441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure whether ha in norwegian counts as irregular or not. < 1426730119 792317 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm drawing a blank for する's past... < 1426730127 711157 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that means to burn, you want conflated, to conflagrated < 1426730129 809012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :være (to be) certainly does < 1426730144 539186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? conflagration < 1426730145 640733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflagration? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1426730152 855983 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. what was it again? < 1426730163 361657 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I know. it was entirely volitional. < 1426730165 102987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh verbs have so few forms you can't really get up to french proportions regardless < 1426730175 478461 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup < 1426730176 805361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1426730181 177942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1426730181 594130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*con* < 1426730182 740628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/conspirabiology \ wisdom/context < 1426730189 804764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*fla* < 1426730190 739571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/disflagrate \ wisdom/flagpole \ wisdom/weetoflake < 1426730190 791271 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disflagration < 1426730191 573489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagration? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1426730194 165947 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disflagrate < 1426730195 426926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. < 1426730232 466848 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suru-shinai-shita-shimasu is a little more regular than kuru < 1426730251 521214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all! < 1426730257 572850 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CARTILAGINOUS CHICKEN < 1426730364 277486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so that makes 3 irregular verbs? < 1426730377 253234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls reading once that turkish has only 1
< 1426730382 501583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be) < 1426730534 547658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Almost all Turkish verbs are conjugated in the same way, most notable exception being the irregular and defective verb i-, the Turkish copula (corresponding to English to be) [...]" < 1426730549 68453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess as usual, exaggerated < 1426730651 728804 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426730779 204475 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah. the three would be kuru, suru, and aru which goes aru-nai-atta-arimasu < 1426730804 399379 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else falls into one of two patterns < 1426730838 138085 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weeotflake < 1426730839 173212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeotflake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1426730843 22749 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weetoflake < 1426730844 390766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weetoflakes are something Taneb invented; they taste sort of purple. < 1426730856 360174 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is satisfactory. < 1426730921 935630 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*fal* < 1426730923 15750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/false < 1426730926 957438 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426730933 74888 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? false < 1426730934 407236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :false is a very old stack-based language. For an authentic experience, run it on an Amiga. It's also not true. < 1426731051 424679 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1426731170 248672 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426732375 482117 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426732393 363176 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426733397 443098 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell am I suppose to remember which is conjunction and which is disjunction? why can't we call them anding and orring? < 1426733489 520385 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anding normal form is an anding of orrings of literals, where a literal is either an atom or its notting. < 1426733510 85234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :notting orrible about that < 1426733785 418043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1426733905 18762 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1426733971 602761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf! < 1426733994 450012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1426735734 477343 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426735936 154738 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1426736690 206471 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1426738088 602146 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426738274 25371 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426739151 287202 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1426740154 638750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi edwardk < 1426740456 827174 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya < 1426740490 546796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: complete coïncidence hth < 1426740505 470106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IF YOU SAY SO < 1426740789 117546 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1426740953 286228 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426741129 109475 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426741318 452407 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426741356 259566 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426742944 117088 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426748416 365835 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1426748576 992677 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426748773 512420 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426748803 67821 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel for discussion around experimental programming language design? < 1426748813 411240 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that this channel? < 1426748834 106916 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there's a forum I should go to < 1426748851 110065 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly, yes < 1426748857 602108 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, it's a channel for discussion of anything bug < 1426748860 386065 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1426748866 813827 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, programming language discussion is welcome < 1426748883 547436 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm just looking for opinions on this one language I'm designing < 1426748913 465156 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a brainfuck variant? < 1426748920 787300 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1426748921 704621 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/127721 < 1426748936 906167 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not esoteric in the sense the befunge and brainfuck are < 1426748946 107773 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm curious if this is the right channel < 1426748989 78117 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this... defining the values in terms of the functions, rather than the functions in terms of the values? < 1426748995 951128 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this is the right channel for anything in theoretical computer science < 1426748998 863620 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's a combination of Haskell and an absurd Self dialect < 1426749033 831135 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is definitely the right channel for htat < 1426749044 436862 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'd love to chat about quantum algorithms sometime < 1426749057 706728 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ok so here's the thing < 1426749070 392615 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two types of values < 1426749073 560144 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions, and objects < 1426749075 983605 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x < 1426749086 193881 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is f is a function, then it is applying f to x < 1426749090 665778 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if * < 1426749107 348306 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f is an object, then it is calling/retrieving the method x of f < 1426749143 941756 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top-level are namespace declarations < 1426749151 912896 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, class declarations < 1426749192 127487 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a class declaration is just a namespace of functions < 1426749199 249255 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1426749201 19964 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1426749204 702311 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1426749218 587259 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wrote an article in there actually < 1426749226 405858 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a long time ago, and I was dumb < 1426749236 597335 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and for a brainfuck derivative) < 1426749247 426271 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, a lot of them are dumb... oh nevermind, you suck < 1426749256 48779 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1426749261 474643 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tarpit < 1426749272 651150 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who came up with that crap? < 1426749346 578886 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just here to get some first thoughts on the syntax and general ideas behind the language < 1426749373 99065 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any suggestions on good ways to implement it, or where to learn to write a specification for it < 1426749398 841001 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so good on the thinking bit < 1426749430 255204 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation side, usually you want to go lexer -> parser -> AST -> semantic analysis -> generation/execution < 1426749438 936243 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know that < 1426749446 295914 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, good :) < 1426749456 539097 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the grammar, decide what your tokens are, and then write a grammar < 1426749460 750952 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a few toy-language interpreters in my time < 1426749473 788042 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also currently writing a parser for this exact code < 1426749479 140199 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1426749503 261477 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure what advice I could offer on implementation then < 1426749517 441678 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1426749538 361433 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need a good name < 1426749539 845731 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have specific questions < 1426749547 554712 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you on spec writing? < 1426749570 371997 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written a formal language spec before < 1426749577 946137 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know where to start < 1426749622 316434 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of approaches. Often a very readable way is to take the grammar, and basically annotate the productions < 1426749699 15292 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there tends to be a fair bit of boilerplate, like the part where you explain your variant of EBNF < 1426749844 695540 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the semantics side of things, I have no idea how I'm going to implement monadic blocks, and how I'm going to solve type ambiguity problems < 1426749860 537226 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monadic blocks? < 1426749904 834232 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, multi-line blocks of monadic computations < 1426749917 938533 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do-blocks? < 1426749919 338246 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of syntax though < 1426749922 872918 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah do-blocks < 1426749934 320510 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :go the agda route and just allow inventing arbitrary syntax :P < 1426749958 647102 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well part of the purpose of the language is to have incredibly minimal/simple syntax < 1426749966 626535 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen agda? < 1426749993 671062 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen Idris and Haskell, and the only thing I know about agda is that you can use anything as a variable name < 1426749998 959256 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fascinating example of custom syntax gone horribly wrong. < 1426750005 606031 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or horribly right, depending on perspective < 1426750029 68855 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in agda there are a very small number of reserved characters, and as long as you don't use one, you can write whatever. < 1426750031 470156 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if statements look like: if some_expr then true_case else false_case < 1426750034 523427 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1426750044 105588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426750045 502701 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1426750050 141071 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is because 'if' is the 'id' function (alternate name) < 1426750056 518838 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is actually if_then_else < 1426750058 51977 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1426750060 636855 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if_then_else_ < 1426750067 284316 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underscores represent places for arguments < 1426750070 773489 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'then' is a method on booleans to return maybes < 1426750082 411685 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'else' is a method on maybes to unwrap themselves < 1426750103 487606 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the 'case' method on booleans for doing this without the extra syntax < 1426750109 904580 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some_expr if true_case false_case < 1426750115 325175 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1426750115 699028 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's not how it's done < 1426750117 94924 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1426750119 498930 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.portal.chalmers.se/agda/pmwiki.php?n=ReferenceManual.Mixfix < 1426750123 676634 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some_expr case true_case false_case < 1426750127 359333 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no < 1426750128 82862 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1426750131 736829 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about my language < 1426750133 223017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did they ever take care of the issue with ":i ->" in ghci? < 1426750137 663326 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: ohhhhh < 1426750267 927456 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem I have < 1426750314 834505 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all types are inferred, creating and using monads and custom types will be a problem < 1426750329 372997 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the type ambiguity problem < 1426750341 497902 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1426750350 636060 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there probably will have to be some way of annotating types, but the under-the-hood type system is too crazy < 1426750391 29407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um i didn't get any real response so i assume not? < 1426750394 190787 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to achieve class-less polymorphism I have to denote types as sets of possible methods and their types < 1426750416 631513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm talking about a different bug I reported a while ago, where :i (->) works and :i -> doesn't. < 1426750421 482443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1426750427 290172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess your bug is old, I thought it was from just now. < 1426750436 448818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the patch which is from just now. < 1426750454 120248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that old < 1426750460 597191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a month or so? < 1426750464 124335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 days < 1426750488 529280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait argh < 1426750523 717522 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have no idea how inheritance will work < 1426750582 888758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i didn't get it in the mail yet < 1426750598 461636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I did. < 1426750599 866680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have been missing Cc: messages from the trac < 1426750649 378662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't that phab thing a link < 1426750703 960854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also int-e has also been missing some, so it's not just my mail < 1426750734 641767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait obviously you don't count, ghc-tickets is working fine. < 1426750749 825271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not subscribing to that, just Cc:ed < 1426750779 823679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying when that when you subscribe to ghc-tickets, tickets you're Cc:ed on stop reaching you. < 1426750794 164214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it all gets merged into one. There isn't a way to discriminate even in the headers. < 1426750810 807774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well at least the trac allows me to search for what i'm Cc:ed on < 1426750851 297863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that doesn't _really_ help because the search doesn't have any "last change" column < 1426750906 790134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where does one report a bug in the trac itself :P < 1426750993 563751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : to achieve class-less polymorphism I have to denote types as sets of possible methods and their types <-- sounds like ocaml except it has classes too < 1426751108 486676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc some extra hoops you have to go through when using subclasses < 1426751154 873916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's a link in the status menu < 1426751246 896035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closed&status=infoneeded&status=merge&status=new&status=patch&status=upstream&cc=~oerjan&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=changetime&order=changetime hth < 1426751263 623124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1426751264 958155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta click on the thing that says columns < 1426751270 87579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see it at first either < 1426751467 469124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok all is ... well, not quite as annoying < 1426751648 77162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Cc: bug must be a conspiracy, since I just look at all the tickets as a result. < 1426751704 302959 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric 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264 seconds < 1426770310 984089 :Decim!~QuinDecim@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426770385 63023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426770436 133665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426770573 310920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 978 < 1426770574 355524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 978: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1426770910 336362 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426770993 864385 :Decim!~QuinDecim@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1426772264 605991 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426772269 610150 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426772279 176090 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1426772557 624224 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426773110 349131 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1426774032 552975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On behalf of IT, this IT Alert Notification was brought to you by the Help Desk in the Customer Support Department. This is a group email account and its been monitored 24/7, therefore, please do not ignore this notification, because its very compulsory." < 1426774055 73703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed "Admin Service", and copyright to "Microsoft outlook" < 1426774130 466733 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1426774148 55830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam? < 1426774185 494957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it not be spam < 1426774511 36846 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426774535 560669 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426774648 55723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very compulsory spam,. < 1426774668 712393 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426775561 630414 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even copyrighted < 1426775666 663596 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1426775732 960220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: that makes it official. < 1426775797 875830 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhddnxpdoptipiti JOIN :#esoteric < 1426775810 592878 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1426775873 923750 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2, stop hacking all my accounts and display my secret passwords in public like that! < 1426775882 456784 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so annoying < 1426775897 984501 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1426776019 284259 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls the number on all his passwords, again!
< 1426776237 979894 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1426776265 24610 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! < 1426776449 830003 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 -i6.28 < 1426776905 400743 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that 12-itau? < 1426776958 997245 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If spam was real, everybody would be so rich < 1426776993 55278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: nah, if spam was real, nobody's email account would work < 1426777001 557090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wouldn't be able to receive the trillion dollar donations < 1426777042 936136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a very complex password < 1426777199 36442 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426777309 829816 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes < 1426777629 197961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426777671 189845 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1426777917 68591 :oren!~oren@public-251-80.nat.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1426779449 28366 :oren!~oren@public-251-80.nat.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426779963 454311 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426780438 555278 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1426780473 514193 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426780984 828088 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426782075 579783 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426782349 905454 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1426782372 515355 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426782801 945572 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:7040:2907:b65:5776 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426783067 578334 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1426784205 880882 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426784655 835362 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1426784845 638653 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1426786312 961758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42148 5* 0380.222.241.129 5* (+2) 10Created page with "xd" < 1426787265 917146 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426787410 737505 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages are usable (by which i mean, by madmen, not necessary regular people) as an OS interface? < 1426787456 789919 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC lisp and forth were used, are there any others < 1426787579 883535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1426787760 422517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what do you mean "an OS interface"? < 1426787769 79540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like a shell? < 1426787781 449680 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah in the same capacity as a shell < 1426787789 253575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC definitely then < 1426787795 696806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in old computers, BASIC was the shell < 1426787803 855036 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right *slaps forhed* < 1426787877 726636 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl could work, I wonder if anyone does that < 1426787913 133070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have a rescue entry in the window manager menu to start a terminal emulator with perl loaded, in case I mess up the shell so much it can't start < 1426787927 363843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, while the computer and X11 and the window manager is already running < 1426787943 690237 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1426787956 973562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could basically use anything that way, not only perl < 1426787987 736393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use, say, emacs (I don't have one on my machine but you know) < 1426787991 20010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vim < 1426788013 364894 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that has the ability to run external programs anyway, certainly < 1426788023 694330 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1426788025 71993 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul_ < 1426788026 182863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, some APL and the smalltalk ide were used as shells < 1426788032 509474 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1426788037 723165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww no, not php < 1426788051 315402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby (irb) or python rather < 1426788119 24185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42149&oldid=42147 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+12) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */ < 1426788127 158968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42150&oldid=42149 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+96) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */ < 1426788465 275742 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madmen? grub2 command line < 1426788595 698905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFI shell < 1426789334 871513 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:7040:2907:b65:5776 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426789361 970382 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:7040:2907:b65:5776 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426789477 240209 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1426789548 283572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Matrix14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42151&oldid=17326 5* 0385.250.112.204 5* (+0) 10 < 1426790380 606762 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426790456 772974 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426790478 973132 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426790551 936667 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426790598 195732 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426790674 14237 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426791285 632509 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426791442 279226 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1426791649 313577 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426791869 785343 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426791952 370938 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426792113 670279 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1426792348 486750 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426792425 102688 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426792647 665834 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426792916 52760 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426793507 273610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some windows program that can tell me which program is opening iexplore in the background? < 1426793807 780887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: any program that uses windows's XML parsing library, I hear < 1426793977 117366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meta... http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2015/03/19/0668-deus-ex-machina/ < 1426794020 757723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd look into the Sysinternals stuff. < 1426794038 532377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb795533.aspx has some overview list < 1426794071 350036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process Explorer/Monitor tend to be the most generally useful. < 1426794188 728421 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen if I ran pkill pkill < 1426794205 400367 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the process commit suicide < 1426794238 652432 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would I tell? < 1426794241 303769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> killall killall < 1426794241 305888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall: no process found < 1426794242 871375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘killall’Not in scope: ‘killall’ < 1426794252 62934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1426794252 64087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1426794287 540365 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkill is silent, killall returns an error < 1426794399 999781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pkill pkill doesn't attempt to kill itself either. It will kill other running copies of pkill, however. < 1426794437 853784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tested with strace -ekill pkill pkill and gdb for having a stopped pkill around) < 1426794483 258465 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All < 1426794490 619075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your < 1426794500 971978 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processes < 1426794505 460776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are < 1426794509 836191 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belong < 1426794513 460827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To < 1426794529 601801 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teh NSA < 1426794532 816966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is ashamed.
< 1426794563 619335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I expected U.S.) < 1426794576 846903 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even born when that game came out < 1426794617 480411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born then, I never played the game. It didn't save me from the meme. < 1426794623 351893 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quality of translations has gone way up < 1426794664 861028 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric < 1426794665 816256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The meme was started much later anyway; in 2000/2001, according to Wikipedia) < 1426794692 591283 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it had to wait until most games had good translation < 1426794697 964355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426794772 603616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays even games that have a bad translation at first are likely to be patched later on. Without broadband internet, patches were really rare. < 1426794807 265565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero wings? < 1426794807 845835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just imagine, software back then had to work out of the box!) < 1426794840 645856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, even then software had bugs and sometimes had newer fixed versions released < 1426794848 374750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though of course, there were plenty of bugs back then as well.) < 1426794892 962422 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAIA HIII MAIA HUUU MAIA HAAA MAIA HAHA < 1426794903 397465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course only some bugs got fixed, others remained because they didn't impact normal gameplay much, or because they would have been technically difficult to fix with the limited hardware < 1426794951 650307 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Some bugs were awesome, for example the one in pokemon that let you get mew < 1426794985 74374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get mew? you're not supposed to do that < 1426794995 540584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you get mew? can you have it fight? < 1426795002 72329 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1426795012 149416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which game is that? < 1426795023 222828 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon red/blue < 1426795079 658672 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that game was full of crazy bugs, basically the item screen can be glitched into modifying arbitrary memory < 1426795132 834980 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426795245 396695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1426795300 895714 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426795418 733560 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426796452 793260 :FleurRose!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric < 1426796518 617228 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1426796543 830981 :lawspeaker!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1426796552 881584 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1426796594 816107 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1426796884 827505 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1426799251 127883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42152&oldid=40653 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (-4055) 10This page is to be deleted < 1426799291 124886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42153&oldid=42139 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (-13) 10/* A */ < 1426799309 814633 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the US < 1426799310 887297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is the country opposed to the THEM. < 1426799325 221263 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canada < 1426799326 379054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big. < 1426799330 694978 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1426799374 152721 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no chance to survive make your time < 1426799448 515348 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a game and translate it that badly into japanese < 1426800092 325743 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it's actually hard to make errors in Japanese that don't just sound like colloquial < 1426800223 167218 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then "what you say" is sort of correct colloquial english < 1426800288 172638 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which natural language is the most fault-tolerant < 1426800928 98234 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, typewritten japanese is extremely un fault tolerant because of the kanji. < 1426801847 346281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, Well you can probably make yourself at least partially understood in most natural languages when it comes to wording and such. Even if it isn't idiomatic or even correct, there is enough information for a human to guess what was meant < 1426802112 77963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426802172 846917 :FleurRose!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426802494 377049 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1426802828 144435 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric < 1426804139 633965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Iamevn 5* 10New user account < 1426804967 570401 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42154&oldid=41325 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+238) 10/* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ new section < 1426804986 720039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42155&oldid=42154 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+13) 10/* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ < 1426805042 479479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42156&oldid=42155 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+89) 10/* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ < 1426805096 101818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42157&oldid=42156 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+26) 10/* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ < 1426805188 203715 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426805208 37297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42158&oldid=42157 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+82) 10/* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ < 1426805437 53708 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426806275 258761 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1426806367 924239 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1426806368 941494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1426806370 505975 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1426807488 278963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1426807543 377234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor the logs' time is 3 minutes early hth < 1426807543 377953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1426807673 96430 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhddnxpdoptipiti QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1426808177 214828 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426808320 193541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist 978 <-- nice title < 1426808363 194395 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1426808367 254011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i only recognize the reference because of sheldon's poetry comics) < 1426808414 364234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i shall presume all americans read it in school, or something < 1426808467 606604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or british < 1426808468 193275 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426808856 280852 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. sheldon? < 1426808962 34016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helløily < 1426809066 16423 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shëllochëllof. < 1426809066 297730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sheldoncomics.com/ < 1426809076 486888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. < 1426809132 862712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emperor of Canada. I dig that. < 1426809137 762047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywoily < 1426809159 747286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i haven't checked it yet today < 1426809183 164319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no new one < 1426809188 519451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit erratic < 1426809432 583119 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Type, Duck”. I really hope it's not some horrible stealth pun. < 1426809448 872998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um when was that