< 1427673904 347469 :santiago!~santiago@190.250.112.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427674680 418823 :santiago!~santiago@190.250.112.77 PART #esoteric :"Saliendo" < 1427674873 701366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427674979 92092 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427675359 589295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427675561 162187 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427675617 633189 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427675765 281095 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427676833 447836 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427677328 305083 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1427677505 506519 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427679341 697346 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu < 1427679670 473989 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: chicken? < 1427679670 658442 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i thought you were wanting to write up a complete stranger based solely on the arguments. < 1427679692 328012 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, just post-modern associative chickenny vocabularism. < 1427679692 424715 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have a question about erc. do you do < 1427679702 972063 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, I don't. what's erc twh? < 1427679703 92362 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ha, i thought it was to become popular, it seems. :) i was just guessing!! < 1427679713 71036 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: np. < 1427679713 71919 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so k is ignored entirely < 1427679728 497632 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: perhaps. «k» isn't really French, you know. < 1427680273 201705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427680875 438075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1427680902 162152 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OCCIPITAL CHICKEN. OCCIPITAL. OOOOOOCCCCIPPPITAAAÄÄÄL. < 1427680916 685334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodboily < 1427680921 584978 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427680925 175205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1427680929 528452 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1427680941 670795 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bedtime? < 1427680943 21505 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep, but I have the cookies. will send you something canadian shortly. < 1427680949 243575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found out < 1427680949 486501 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. lots of work tomorrow! < 1427680959 820546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i can buy maple leaf cookies at the corner store < 1427680965 589591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? < 1427680971 267472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna bed as well < 1427680982 970719 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1427680998 695496 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight! dreams of the Great White North! < 1427681004 168555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1427681007 996416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodboilye < 1427681016 845960 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinne nuitopia! < 1427681024 815751 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1427683624 717072 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427684890 472468 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427687027 449525 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427687059 353699 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427687241 436856 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427687820 820685 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427690016 984860 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT : < 1427690884 779327 :Judas!~Judas@iro35-1-78-232-130-105.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427692658 828201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot easily duplicate schedules on the VCR, I have to rekey them each time. (It is possible to set a repeating schedule, but then it juts repeats forever and doesn't have many other options.) < 1427692693 499765 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VCR? < 1427692699 796100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1427692707 468156 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for VHS tapes? < 1427692736 160453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1427692750 491429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is a VCR/DVD combo < 1427692758 211220 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1427692764 282238 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea about the scheduler < 1427692773 232034 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious, because its so rare today to hear about VHS < 1427692820 853063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still use it, mostly for recording, but also can be used for watching other older movies and so on < 1427692870 995685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a recording I intend to keep then I will use DVD though. < 1427693005 300491 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best editors for VHS were commodore ammigas < 1427693008 852488 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those video toaster rigs < 1427693031 869613 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a guy that kept one until like 2008 (and used it) for doing transfers and edits on old svhs stuff < 1427693071 109497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a manual for Video Toaster < 1427693090 88096 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well newtek began on the amiga < 1427693109 618349 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :video toasters, lightwave and the late Aura paint (and currently TVPaint) were all amiga staples < 1427693159 161254 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good old days of 68060 processors that run 25mhz and carried the BBS into the basement < 1427693214 96719 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427693906 68314 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu < 1427693920 395093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what depression means? OK < 1427693991 99712 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427695653 17551 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tcjeddxttqfakcbh QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427695742 6803 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427695776 90062 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otfkuqxwvrhhjxpn JOIN :#esoteric < 1427695782 475944 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427696260 142698 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://core.suckless.org < 1427696594 684855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh awesome. < 1427696681 819956 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :P < 1427696727 398207 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pleased, though not surprised, that they're not doubling up on efforts when there's actually something in the wild that does what they want without sucking.
< 1427696891 642838 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though sadly (if understandably) their rm does not conform to POSIX. < 1427696915 256140 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: rm -r is required to delete trees of arbitrary depth? < 1427696923 629827 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? < 1427696953 525000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :their rm does support -r < 1427696958 537663 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the issue? < 1427696968 573971 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it only supports deleting file trees of limited depth. < 1427696973 424248 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implicit, but limited depth. < 1427696988 596249 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of a stack overflow or running out of file descriptors will cause it to fail. < 1427696995 143728 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow < 1427697040 3644 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX explicitly requires rm, and only rm, to literally deal with directory trees of *unbound* depth. < 1427697086 733216 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that they fail to meet this requirement is pretty understandable. It's possible to do, even portably and fairly safely, but it's dang *tricky*. < 1427697087 715606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also rmdir < 1427697103 189076 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also several others i believe < 1427697129 76883 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ls < 1427697160 261438 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, not really. For all other utils POSIX doesn't require such behavior. < 1427697185 857642 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The rm utility shall be able to descend to arbitrary depths in a file hierarchy, and shall not fail due to path length limitations (unless an operand specified by the user exceeds system limitations)." < 1427697236 996316 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This requirement is unique to rm. In part because you can't possibly meet it ordinarily. < 1427697273 23011 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1427697283 64456 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm, it's possible because you do not have to worry about visiting any node repeatedly. < 1427697324 215327 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh ok < 1427697363 570748 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can literally just hold an fd referring to the top of the tree and do a depth-first search of the hierarchy, deleting everything you see. < 1427697381 110182 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you get to the bottom just do an fchdir back to the top of the tree. < 1427697401 167556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a pretty *inefficient* implementation, and you can do much better than that, but it's the simplest one that's correct) < 1427697409 39147 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs the Heaven's Gate website? < 1427697423 118097 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else you can "merely" deal in quite sizable trees. < 1427697440 561447 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: A former member of Heaven's Gate. < 1427697532 604480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pro-Heaven's Gate though, unless they're keeping it up for archival purposes < 1427697542 636434 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely why they're keeping it up. < 1427697562 298780 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1427697588 391962 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current contents of the site are literally an edit to it that was made shortly before the cult committed mass suicide. < 1427697646 807054 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also interesting, apparently that "hard copy editions may be ordered" blurb is still true. < 1427697843 993460 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427698094 475144 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may have to write some patches for sbase
< 1427698123 153389 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *after* I finish my current, nasty project. < 1427698133 617187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1427698147 48375 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows.h for musl-on-Windows. < 1427698160 107475 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it was nasty. :) < 1427698178 450030 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't even know that musl was ported to windows < 1427698184 528023 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIP. < 1427698205 361185 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job i guess < 1427698227 894601 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. No more dealing with the nastiness of mingw. < 1427698250 31877 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i started programming with mingw :( < 1427698261 312766 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in high school, with dev-c++ < 1427698272 190273 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds himself still a little mind-blown at the not-suck fork() implementation
< 1427698371 275213 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme tell you something that's windows related: yesterday i wanted to watch a movie w/ my family on my father's computer but the movie didn't fit in my usb pendrive < 1427698386 267193 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah of course it takes a minute with dd to split it < 1427698394 722071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i went to his computer with windows < 1427698401 766214 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do i join the pieces? < 1427698421 317606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up downloading cygwin to have cat -_- < 1427698434 311647 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves windows
< 1427698441 540000 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy /b files... dest < 1427698454 373903 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was a way? -_- < 1427698467 742248 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have a single file as a destination DOS copy concatenates the files. < 1427698469 477408 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1427698492 41695 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first of all that's fucking misleading < 1427698518 686386 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody accused DOS of being even remotely reasonable. :) < 1427698657 839928 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though its command prompt is rather more featureful than you might expect. < 1427698687 671761 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure -.- < 1427698689 239754 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otfkuqxwvrhhjxpn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427698689 394471 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they straight-up copied Unix's file redirection syntax) < 1427698704 870290 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't accuse it of being good. < 1427698719 642613 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I dare say it's the worst CLI that you're likely to come across. < 1427698744 465474 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually tried to use rc as a shell < 1427698754 161996 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's got a lot of features hidden behind the scenes that people might not expect it to have. < 1427698784 164487 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC rc's not bad, but it is gonna confuse the heck out of you if you expect a Bourne-esque shell. < 1427698784 511759 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage: switch case syntax is decent instead of that crap of case/esac of the bourne shell that we still have today < 1427698792 658441 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disadvantage: everything else < 1427698809 559794 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's also designed around the Plan9 environment, leaving it rather crippled on Unix. < 1427698810 87891 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xcdslctbtgzxbpdb JOIN :#esoteric < 1427698825 671326 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's talk about plan9 < 1427698830 800165 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan9 is awful < 1427698836 150053 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it doesn't have any form of editing... because that's in Plan9's terminal layer. < 1427698840 41136 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait lemme post something < 1427698844 97736 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's got a lot of interesting ideas. < 1427698867 481080 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only intersting idea is to return a string -_- < 1427698869 492977 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (quite reasonably) everyone's gone out and pilfered the ideas from Plan9 that aren't terrible. < 1427698884 181084 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kill(1) from plan9port < 1427698886 160154 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/hEooLf < 1427698896 638454 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's all that interesting about it, is no longer all that interesting because it's just stuff you expect. < 1427698911 793561 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ plan9 kill bash < 1427698914 82998 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/kill 317 # izabera 317 07:44 0:00 5104K wait bash < 1427698916 138960 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/kill 398 # izabera 398 07:46 0:00 3248K wait bash < 1427698918 47690 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/kill 428 # izabera 428 07:46 0:18 3316K pipe_w bash < 1427698925 407139 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kill >>prints<< stuff < 1427698929 993521 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you're supposed to pipe to rc < 1427698938 612281 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will call the actual kill program < 1427698952 424519 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe how dumb it is < 1427699038 407241 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. Plan9 defeats all your reasonable expectations of behavior, because it's what happens when you take a simple design philosophy, use it as much as possible, and damn expectations of familiarity *or* ease of use. :) < 1427699069 27870 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an academic research project and boy is it obvious. < 1427699075 242967 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok but -.- < 1427699093 509780 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hate their mouse driven interface for everything but that's just me < 1427699136 305867 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also their wm is fugly but again that's just my opinion < 1427699169 555967 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its GUI is something only a user of pre-Mac GUIs could love. < 1427699190 611819 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xcdslctbtgzxbpdb QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427699212 427559 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you might expect considering it's a direct descendent of a pre-Mac GUI. :) < 1427699218 676059 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol < 1427699257 356964 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-foantvptrmatpseq JOIN :#esoteric < 1427699274 595898 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427699297 202788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rio's basically the spiritual successor to the Blit terminal (which was a graphics terminal designed by Rob Pike for use with 8th Edition Unix). < 1427699308 622701 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... From 1982. < 1427699338 78619 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 10 years younger ._. < 1427699352 215896 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, I won't pretend Plan9 is a bastion of good design. But by god it's got a lot of interesting bits in it. < 1427699405 121011 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, a decent number of the *good* interesting bits have become standard parts of Unix systems, though maybe not implemented as well. < 1427699416 649885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most obviously is /proc. < 1427699434 843183 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does osx have /proc ? < 1427699448 839880 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1427699460 438571 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never used a mac
< 1427699479 547272 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh blah *no* it doesn't. < 1427699494 980036 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the one that doesn't, huh. < 1427699531 816699 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Solaris, IRIX, Tru64, all the BSDs, Linux, AIX, and QNX, but *not* OS X. < 1427699533 273050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too used to linux :P < 1427699609 563157 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in *4.4* BSD no less. Huh. < 1427699665 590267 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose NeXT just forked too late to import it and nobody bothered adding it. < 1427699698 60496 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, modern-ish Unices without /proc: OS X, HPUX. < 1427699743 720831 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy calling that a de facto standard considering that neither of those even implement POSIX 2008. :P < 1427700037 381985 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a userland that's strictly posix compliant and nothing more? < 1427700064 826341 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/userland/system/ < 1427700127 357586 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. POSIX omits certain details that you might reasonably expect. < 1427700132 161063 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... such as mount(1). < 1427700159 608588 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me revert back to userland < 1427700195 569187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interested in a full set of utilities that are exactly posix and nothing more < 1427700245 986453 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too will have some omissions that will shock you, as well as differences in behavior between common implementations and what POSIX says. < 1427700254 995173 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU KNOW: tar is not specified in POSIX 2008. < 1427700260 793216 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it < 1427700267 243254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpio < 1427700273 833621 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor is cpio. < 1427700278 937024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1427700284 146290 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a sec < 1427700287 832055 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-foantvptrmatpseq QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427700289 96157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax is < 1427700292 39833 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other thing < 1427700296 161685 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar? < 1427700302 235165 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1427700316 249255 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format of ar is not at all specified, only its interaction with the C compiler. < 1427700342 776316 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the C compiler reads .zip archives, ar could be a zip archiver for all that POSIX cares. < 1427700348 835118 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And zcat is specified, but it does not deal in gzip files. < 1427700392 984890 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ykgjjaxxuapawcwc JOIN :#esoteric < 1427700418 912757 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427700496 176437 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the most interesting omissions or complete differences in behavior from what you might expect. < 1427700523 578238 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's other utils that are missing of course, but those are mostly ones relevant to system administration but not necessarily normal use. < 1427700545 988542 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ones that are pretty obviously not standard utils but just common on distros, like md5sum. :) < 1427700554 474815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or free < 1427700615 841649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I find really bizarre is some of the utils that POSIX *does* specify even though it has no real point in doing so. < 1427700629 562905 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it specifies SCCS. < 1427700636 922933 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's legacy < 1427700641 586126 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may know that as the predecessor to the predecessor of CVS. < 1427700648 26729 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get rid of it < 1427700668 806665 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But POSIX does not need to specify it, now does it? < 1427700685 758179 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind that they *don't specify tar anymore*. < 1427700686 511078 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that standard is more descriptive than prescriptive < 1427700700 279108 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, "anymore". They *used to*.) < 1427700746 707969 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it also mostly subsets what it describes to what's got a point in being described, rather than describing what happens to be common to all Unices. < 1427700810 911617 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427700865 951922 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Hence why it has interesting bits like "the only file that POSIX requires to exist is /dev/null". < 1427700945 968995 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"//C:\POSIX\sh" would be a 100% conformant if bizarre path for the shell to be at. < 1427700958 940061 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not true < 1427700979 717789 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix requires /dev/zero /dev/null /dev/full and /dev/tty < 1427700984 441609 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /tmp to be writeable < 1427700991 370421 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, derp so it does. I missed a couple. < 1427701012 108393 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null is the memorable one to me for some reason. Go figure. < 1427701017 616316 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1427701056 422086 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And come to think of it, I doubt you can get away with atypical path separators even in //. < 1427701209 887278 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nope, that's still allowed. < 1427701219 416486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a pathname begins with two successive characters, the first component following the leading characters may be interpreted in an implementation-defined manner, although more than two leading characters shall be treated as a single character." < 1427701257 901784 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But //C:\POSIX/bin\sh wouldn't really work. Hrm. < 1427701293 633157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //foo/bar < 1427701306 271549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​//foo < 1427701311 468145 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that took a while < 1427701379 569531 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //////////foo/bar < 1427701380 617664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​//////////foo < 1427701391 356644 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was expecting something else
< 1427701416 957044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the exact algorithm specified in POSIX. < 1427701494 515261 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the meaning of the leading "//" is implementation-defined, dirname("//foo) may return either "//" or '/' (but nothing else). < 1427701505 842754 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1427701516 171328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //////////foo < 1427701517 33248 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ < 1427701521 221850 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //foo < 1427701522 44129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ < 1427701530 718121 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1427701539 153169 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that it's the meaning of *precisely two* slashes that's implementation-defined. < 1427701567 380437 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three or more slashes is the same as / < 1427701569 92697 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that head -c is not posix < 1427701572 23521 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1427701580 424154 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's dumb -_- < 1427701599 59110 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the closest thing i can think of is a rather inefficient hack with dd < 1427701774 19603 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1427702270 760250 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/dev/full"? < 1427702400 177210 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo x > /dev/full < 1427702400 905238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device < 1427702405 580731 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a device that returns an error when you try to write to it < 1427704207 669746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1427704216 659021 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised that enigmatic means like an enigma < 1427704221 539179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I miss that < 1427704560 13796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1427704915 535721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1427704916 598718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1427705008 597023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/Lachine/Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing/' wisdom/boily < 1427705026 424594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1427705030 114709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1427705031 225159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1427705101 617308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wonders what's really in those cookies
< 1427705169 914693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that i can buy maple leaf cookies at the corner store <-- whoops < 1427705181 175716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dealing empire crushed < 1427705185 371664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am in possession of some p. bad cookies < 1427705199 464553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you get them from kmc < 1427705208 144539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1427705217 370871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect better quality cookies from kmc < 1427705225 323936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1427705242 460773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that a drugz joke) < 1427705272 61142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been making drugz jokes since i entered the channel, pay attention. < 1427705301 693858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed the others < 1427705308 402381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1427705331 510714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1427705348 882641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. < 1427705361 489644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :amortization is the process of becoming immortal, right? < 1427705403 443112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly the opposite. < 1427705416 829317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to wiktionary! < 1427705457 448665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically since i added that, whenever i've needed the word either HackEgo has been down or i actually managed to remember it. < 1427705467 959887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1427705488 855898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, i cannot entirely remember. except that i remembered it once. < 1427705524 731605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From (the stem of) Middle French amortir (“to bring to death”), probably from Late Latin *admortīre, from Latin ad + mortem." < 1427705967 848564 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427706221 626845 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427706469 86813 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427706654 752474 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's actually the defintion of premature death? < 1427706696 690059 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You die sooner than you should've based on...? < 1427706719 777782 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death before maturity < 1427706748 32122 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps that's immature death < 1427707083 23680 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427707209 276104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427707209 290117 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427707539 719012 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427707562 137966 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427707979 625713 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: apparentely "sitting" is linked to 9% of premature death. < 1427707999 497031 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which suggests that if you didn't sit that long you wouldn't have died a premature death < 1427708009 653757 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably means you've lived another two years or something? < 1427708013 983699 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1427708034 127325 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that definition every death is premature because I'm sure you could've always lived a little bit healthier than you did < 1427708060 491481 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :death by accidents are probably premature anyway as well. < 1427708071 675093 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you die before you should've died. < 1427708099 7600 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you believe in destiny and that it was always clear that you'll die that way then it's probably not premature but preprogrammed < 1427708177 414101 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Years of potential life lost (YPLL) or potential years of life lost (PYLL), is an estimate of the average years a person would have lived if he or she had not died prematurely." < 1427708775 116840 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think death from old age or treatable illness or injury is not counted as premature? < 1427708906 415266 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but "old age" < 1427708911 264082 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you die by "old age"? < 1427708929 368815 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heart suddenly stops? Brain suddently stops? < 1427708933 575640 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organs failing? < 1427708945 632877 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could've slown down the aging process somehow < 1427708948 991563 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by eating an apple a day < 1427709206 85625 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you mean "untreatable illnesses"? < 1427709215 640317 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dieing of an illness that can be treated could be seen as premature < 1427709216 537500 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1427709226 724380 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dying < 1427710989 895330 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427711175 626423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'doily < 1427711229 10422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bøn matirjan! < 1427711421 608739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thanks ants < 1427711427 26975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ants? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1427711473 801374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "thants" > wisdom/thanks\ ants < 1427711487 842297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1427711487 981846 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thanks ants < 1427711489 29891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thants < 1427711543 753880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Taneb < 1427711554 391432 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! (or is it Thanksanebelle?) < 1427711555 466345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Taneb. Thaneb. < 1427711584 790393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: only when he's cosplaying < 1427711601 387489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb sprø som selleri < 1427711677 761264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times < 1427711684 351745 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -FInr 'sprø' wisdom/* < 1427711687 935552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, in fact, not cosplaing < 1427711705 220429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but now you are cosplaining < 1427711744 557833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shachaf:1:shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1427711804 854773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shellochellof. you sly fiend! < 1427711816 328798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I have been watching Look Around You again < 1427711840 273314 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427711885 513727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times I was, in fact, not cosplaing < 1427711895 501243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1239) Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times I was, in fact, not cosplaing < 1427711908 974338 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can we edit that so it looks like I didn't make that typo in the second line? < 1427711935 749477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you say the corrected version literally. < 1427711961 633318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, in fact, not cosplaying < 1427711972 985171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1427711975 551858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we gotta put an ellipsis in < 1427711987 454211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times [...] I was, in fact, not cosplaying < 1427711993 649474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: way ahead of you < 1427712011 69676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the timestamps indicate otherwise hth < 1427712017 285322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1427712018 520637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1239) Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times [...] I was, in fact, not cosplaying < 1427712022 162292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BRAIN WAS < 1427712060 121627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a Taneb. That's what they look like. The movie's going to be released in Autumn." < 1427712080 630073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you take a picture of your non-cosplayingness < 1427712095 342137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can judge for ourselves < 1427712146 602989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not a very good one < 1427712152 162449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone else did < 1427712189 799393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your good twin named o⃥rjan by any chance twh < 1427712203 317665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan < 1427712210 21929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. < 1427712212 672386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this had been made clear. < 1427712217 558998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1427712228 483746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode o⃥ < 1427712232 953126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+20E5 COMBINING REVERSE SOLIDUS OVERLAY] < 1427712260 224660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o⃫ < 1427712380 806892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what sort of papers does your good twin publish? < 1427712418 999311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently papers about LSD for alcoholism: http://jop.sagepub.com/content/26/7/994.short < 1427712442 365145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: math papers < 1427712447 69571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by your pal, oerjan johansen < 1427712468 479159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are they like maths papers? < 1427712477 286934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because maths papers are like my favourite kind of paper < 1427712481 292904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah pål-ørjan, my old nemesis < 1427712524 63326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my usage is that e.g. geometry and topology are maths, which is to say that e.g. topology is a math < 1427712553 977530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I agree emotionally but not pedantically with that usage < 1427712570 985402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he's been slacking off on the mathy papering for a decade, though < 1427712588 554377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a decade ago was 2005 :'( < 1427712610 497990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, a paper by ørjan on ergodic theory < 1427712615 73161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+at least < 1427712680 202186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%C3%B8rjan+johansen < 1427712708 767103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over 30 million psychedelic users in the United States < 1427712785 621546 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one day I'll write a maths paper < 1427712787 835282 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe tomorrow! < 1427712820 716553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a maths paper with your pål ørjan < 1427712843 637233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt he'd understand it < 1427712922 360979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I am just a little undergraduate < 1427712933 906160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-whois őrjan < 1427712978 160512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does that stop you from writing maths papers < 1427712987 651884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not in of itself < 1427713003 911109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not know as much maths as some people who used to be undergraduates but then graduated! < 1427713064 427349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many maths do you know < 1427713098 988427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 12 or so < 1427713144 689756 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427713148 78863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than i know < 1427713169 572158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nem tudok < 1427713224 917863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait should it be tudom or not < 1427713387 888612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427713492 120552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I even write a paper about < 1427713880 566079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tanebvention of course < 1427714357 245131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1427714357 937175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, persistence, and this sentence. < 1427714414 228407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? persistence < 1427714425 539548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented persistence long ago, and it's been around ever since. < 1427714440 872200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1427714442 64615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1427714464 326866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you've invented a lot of things since last i checked < 1427714481 940525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's not something I can help < 1427714499 818942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? torus < 1427714500 778734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented them. < 1427714508 760710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when and how did you invent the torus < 1427714519 100060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after persistence hth < 1427714525 97721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couple of years back < 1427714557 311641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about things that are topologically equivalent to a torus, and lo and behold I discovered the torus < 1427714644 354278 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427714653 15575 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SOPRANO CHICKEN < 1427714775 943990 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427714785 320767 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1427714850 983568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go < 1427714851 900939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1427714872 307472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chu space < 1427714873 220861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Chu space is just a matrix. Taneb invented them, then Chu stole his invention. < 1427714941 486618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1427714942 606015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1427714992 727379 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427715206 271169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1427715593 793309 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427715907 402991 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427716000 218312 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427718568 706394 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427718600 368521 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.51 QUIT :Changing host < 1427718600 370538 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427718600 375055 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3 < 1427718914 570276 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427719553 979773 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ykgjjaxxuapawcwc QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427719657 176952 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ksmkdbwyfgsmsjgt JOIN :#esoteric < 1427719859 471808 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427721730 161813 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427722365 243819 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427722394 87522 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427722667 554373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lazy K14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42241&oldid=20133 5* 0379.247.175.208 5* (-8) 10Fixed specification link < 1427722709 79913 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1427722893 411522 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427723509 775244 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427724138 654503 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427725060 387671 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1427725067 115875 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Arrows' is a really stupid name because in saying what an arrow is I'm forced to use the word 'arrow' in two diferent senses, one for Hughes meaning and one for the usual meaning from category theory. It's like deciding that the prime numbers bigger than 20 are interesting for some reason and then choosing to give them a name, 'the primes'." < 1427725593 557464 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could have invented monads, with enough pressure to refactor some functional code that builds and extracts pairs everywhere, but i probably wouldn't have called them monads < 1427725628 64640 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/08/you-could-have-invented-monads-and.html ) < 1427725628 168896 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:8: error: unexpected < 1427725628 170157 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Operator without known fixity: < 1427725628 274175 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ://, expected: space < 1427725628 274926 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/08/you-could-have-invented-monads-and.html ) < 1427725628 274990 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1427725632 513627 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks idris-bot < 1427725653 287162 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know you're paying attention < 1427725694 319646 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always good to be reminded of the fact that you aren't ever safe starting a msg with a non-alphanumeric character when bots is around < 1427726033 297524 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427726588 975093 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that function bind is only necessary becuase you can't just use a global variable that f and g bpth modify < 1427726652 700543 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, for example, an output stream) < 1427726670 949350 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh yes well, functional programming, you see, without side-effects, you see, referentially transparent and all that, you see < 1427726711 594656 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people like the idea of putting monads in impure languages like Lisp and Python, but i personally do not see the point of that < 1427726795 615545 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. this bind thing is the way to sort of have the benefits of a global variable (a piece of data that follows "alongside" the processing) without the issue of statefulness < 1427726799 423601 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mind you that an arrow is also an everyday object in medival times. < 1427726817 858420 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*medieval < 1427726833 979393 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally you math guys would have a structure called "Bow" as well < 1427726855 214936 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the sine function < 1427726886 654870 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if there's a bow, but there are definitely sheafs < 1427726928 510732 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no, the chord function*** comes from a function named after a bowstring < 1427726949 998977 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sine function is half of it < 1427727036 326398 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is really stupid that they have a picture of a surfer on my grade 11 math text, but didn't use these metaphors for trigonometry < 1427727081 750639 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a picture of a surfer belongs on Fluid Dynamics 101, not trigonometry < 1427727122 219155 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surfer makes it cool < 1427727136 231541 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes students like trig more, because it is cool < 1427727152 43268 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume this is the logic, anyway) < 1427727182 737506 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess an Indian chariot-archer would be too violent or some crap < 1427727604 463878 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427728281 566770 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eydrramluiwwgvhb JOIN :#esoteric < 1427728920 464470 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427729097 408478 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have called them BOBULANCES < 1427729102 57173 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe not) < 1427729135 51318 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1427729135 846530 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1427729153 93640 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427729178 997313 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that leaves $ and % and # and + and = free < 1427729185 68446 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few others < 1427729220 389812 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, dare I point out that EgoBot and blsqbot are up in each other's faces there < 1427729255 86634 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way back when I started idris-bot it used ‣ I think, because that was highly unlikely to get in the way. < 1427729356 576636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ would be another good prefix. < 1427729357 402492 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( help < 1427729357 413043 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable help < 1427729362 255399 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( quit < 1427729362 260454 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable quit < 1427729366 407545 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1427729400 728124 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( idrisVersion < 1427729400 866967 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"0.9.17.1-git:9560761" : 12String < 1427729440 490133 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tempting to try to discover what the idris language is like just by getting in an extended conversation with idris-bot < 1427729473 878683 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could get very frustrating very fast. < 1427729573 806252 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1427729631 602208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way to learn it is to read the documentation and to look at other programs written using it. < 1427729789 590160 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1427729849 687758 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the latter, there aren’t many yet, and a number of those that exist have probably bitrotted. < 1427729906 780841 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the bot in here? < 1427729923 253868 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the authors of idris consider it to be an esolang? < 1427729949 134827 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it so hard for me to /join #idris if i want to talk to a bot that talks idris? < 1427729954 207669 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i just don't understand IRC. < 1427730141 152714 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Sgeo is the one who invited it, and by extension me, since I had to come keep an eye on the unreliable little thing. < 1427730221 322586 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I stayed because there are occasionally quite interesting things discussed here. ∑:3 < 1427730491 395854 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1427730493 934829 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427730498 406055 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone implemented deadfish in it yet? < 1427730539 732128 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but WhiteSpace IIRC, and IIRC the originator of Idris is the inventor of WhiteSpace. < 1427730832 619000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can see how many things Deadfish is implemented in so far < 1427731003 535632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shotest one seems to be the one in AWK < 1427731017 444171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, if you can implement one for Atari VCS? < 1427731341 880781 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Bits32 (-1) < 1427731342 69609 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Neg 12Bits32 < 1427731354 465798 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( prim__complB32 0 < 1427731354 532933 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :044294967295 : 12Bits32 < 1427731393 674695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427731430 195491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t the < 1427731430 538680 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1427731620 914644 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. can you write Agda-style proofputations in this one, too? < 1427731663 8977 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has full dependent types, yes. < 1427731691 242262 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It emphatically does not have Agda’s any-unicode mixfix syntax. < 1427731788 240478 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare i ask what a proof that + is associative might look like < 1427731828 794448 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess probably not too different from how it looks in agda < 1427731837 458548 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :printdef plusAssociative < 1427731839 274366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1427731843 145193 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :printdef plusAssociative < 1427731843 416476 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociative : (13left : 12Nat) -> (13centre : 12Nat) -> (13right : 12Nat) -> 13left 09+ (13centre 09+ 13right) 12= 13left 09+ 13centre 09+ 13right < 1427731843 417164 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociative 040 13centre 13right = 04Refl < 1427731843 417212 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociative (04S 13left) 13centre 13right = let 13inductiveHypothesis = 09plusAssociative 13left 13centre 13right in 09plusAssociativeStepCase 13left < 1427731843 417243 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13centre < 1427731843 417272 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13right14↵… < 1427731853 62317 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough lines. < 1427731878 574785 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, more or less how i've seen it look in agda < 1427731900 582196 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe a little nicer < 1427731913 411053 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because inductiveHypothesis and plusAssociativeStepCase are spelled out < 1427732122 202658 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/idris-lang/Idris-dev/blob/master/libs/prelude/Prelude/Nat.idr#L382-L387 That stuff should probably get cleaned up, since we don’t need to use proof mode for intelligent rewriting anymore. < 1427732135 187469 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :printdef plusAssociativeStepCase < 1427732135 240237 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociativeStepCase : (13left : 12Nat) -> < 1427732135 440436 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : (13centre : 12Nat) -> (13right : 12Nat) -> (13left 09+ (13centre 09+ 13right) 12= 13left 09+ 13centre 09+ 13right) -> 04S (09plus 13left (09plus 13centre 13right)) 12= 04S (09plus (09plus 13left 13centre) 13right) < 1427732135 442990 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociativeStepCase = \13left => \13centre => \13right => \13inductiveHypothesis => let 13{rewrite_rule109} = 13inductiveHypothesis in 09replace 13rewrite_rule 04Refl < 1427732166 107080 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{rewrite_rule109}", eh? < 1427732171 57090 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know < 1427732175 470908 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's working backwards from smth < 1427732176 51701 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That’s vaguely inaccurate since it’s generated from a short tactic script. < 1427732217 953321 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The {rewrite_rule109} is how gensyms come out. < 1427732223 492267 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, whenever i write a program, i make sure to name all my functions "function_001", "function_002", etc < 1427732275 736817 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, previously, i lied. i wouldn't have called monads bobulances. i would've called them abstraction_0764's. < 1427732278 462935 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t MN < 1427732281 31549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1427732283 436771 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t MN < 1427732283 540947 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Language.Reflection.MN : 12Int -> 12String -> 12TTName < 1427732301 591046 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( MN 109 "rewrite_rule" < 1427732301 733593 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04MN 04109 04"rewrite_rule" : 12TTName < 1427732321 845748 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s probably the representation of that variable. < 1427732329 301443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I was reading "A Rainy Sunday Afternoon", I thought the concept was very amusing, but was also disappointed that it wasn't written by hand < 1427732354 593155 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm glad you found it amusing. < 1427732366 807832 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking for something like that to be hand-written is maybe asking a little much < 1427732384 537835 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427732399 865630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1427732403 867563 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's the... card game one. OK, yeah. I can see your disappointment more clearly < 1427732407 236943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet, people genuinely do play such games < 1427732411 732911 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427732448 589130 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Originally I thought you meant "Hope and Remembrance". When you get to be my age, you can't keep your own generated novels straight) < 1427732451 167778 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427732475 952360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever generated a novel < 1427732508 665391 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1427732509 345893 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are very welcome to spend November trying. it's fun. https://github.com/dariusk/NaNoGenMo-2014/ < 1427732545 419288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but November is the /dev/null/nethack tournament < 1427732586 415969 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :November is rather overloaded with activities, I agree < 1427732629 69634 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are of course welcome to try, any time of year < 1427732647 353698 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :as with writing one by hand etc < 1427732728 558974 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1427732789 170141 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "A Rainy Sunday Afternoon" was inspired by a mention of Arnold Rimmer's _Risk_ Logbook, which was mentioned in response to a novel about the Towers of Hanoi < 1427733663 492138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427733669 280681 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427733694 321980 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427733696 57377 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably curate those a bit better, actually put them on my site instead of gist, and link to the nanogeno issues that they came from < 1427733702 376087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (() -> ()) $ %runTactics (do { intro (Just (MN 109 "rewrite_rule")); fill (Var (MN 109 "rewrite_rule")); solve}) < 1427733702 524587 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the: < 1427733702 526393 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable Language.Reflection.Tactical.Tactical < 1427733706 668533 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1427733733 178719 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm also nominally working on a "real" story generator, but it's going very slowly < 1427733743 277833 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly an excuse to read tvtropes a lot :) < 1427733749 193128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1427733761 516450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea that you feed the whole of tvtropes to a computer < 1427733770 734039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up with a coherent, if very clichéd, story? < 1427733975 196942 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1427733977 293292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer All The Tropes rather than TV Tropes, but, you can try to see what it is will be < 1427734033 144965 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't heard of that one before. I'll look at it. < 1427734052 572600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a account on All The Tropes; I don't have any on TV Tropes < 1427734073 390107 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feed" isn't quite the right word because they need a lot of "premasticating" before you can get them into an algorithm, but, yes, that's where they eventually end up (and I might have object classes with the same names as TVTropes pages) < 1427734137 433656 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427734202 761747 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-rpnuymbmqttqgfzg JOIN :#esoteric < 1427734202 814243 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-rpnuymbmqttqgfzg QUIT :Excess Flood < 1427734204 624288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My FOAF includes a link to my All The Tropes user page < 1427734246 379787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cpressey: where do I find "a rainy sunday afternoon"? Google isn't helpful in this case < 1427734265 948166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/cpressey/1b9f6d8c66cc1f736aba < 1427734292 523660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here's a problem I'm currently having in Real Life: my bank won't let me move money around between my accounts because I don't have ID < 1427734293 903077 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what ais523 said. also, http://catseye.tc/node/Text < 1427734324 432841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they accept is a passport (which I don't have), driving license (which I don't have), or one very specific tax form (which I think is the PAYE Coding Notice) < 1427734359 964996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the government's taxation department say that normally they'll just send you a P60 form instead, and the bank doesn't accept P60s < 1427734361 164108 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you are unquestionably the holder of both accounts < 1427734365 245415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes! < 1427734388 506479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bank seems to be under the assumption that the coding notice gets sent to everone < 1427734390 205353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everyone < 1427734391 417731 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds about right < 1427734402 645787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intriguing story < 1427734410 244850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have to admit I skipped over parts of it < 1427734439 715802 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a not uncommon occurrence with computer-generated 50k-word novels < 1427734448 142228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, I seem to be missing last year's P60 too, possibly because it's only sent if you happen to be employed on 5 April specifically; you get a P45 instead otherwise) < 1427734497 407950 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-wuowlxvwqwjsdiue JOIN :#esoteric < 1427734499 937410 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you able to write yourself a cheque from one account, and deposit it (no wait, what do they say here... pay it in?) into the other account? < 1427734514 903863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is the UK < 1427734521 390524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheques exist here, but they aren't widely used < 1427734547 948657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I haven't used them often enough to be given a chequebook, meaning that if I needed to give someone a cheque, I'd need to go to the bank and ask them to write it for me < 1427734552 226377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs into the same problem as before < 1427734591 700491 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. actually, i'm slightly amazed that you've managed to obtain employment without a passport < 1427734598 851072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the tax year ends in 9 days, meaning any solution to this problem would need to be by then or it'll count towards the wrong year's tax allowance) < 1427734606 345821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said an expired passport was sufficient to prove I was British < 1427734620 377492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did have one of those < 1427734633 870800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't any more, I decided to exchange it for a new passport to avoid such problems in the future, but that takes over 3 weeks) < 1427734666 996129 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-wuowlxvwqwjsdiue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1427734695 208102 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, you don't have any kind of identity card over there? < 1427734718 187686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mandatory < 1427734724 350430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something the size of a driver's license without granting a driver's license < 1427734730 243354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt-in identity cards exist, but most aren't considered sufficiently official < 1427734738 764940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my area there is "BCID", which is like a driving license, except that it isn't a driving license. < 1427734740 172739 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1427734750 449857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common workaround is to apply for a "I'm planning to learn to drive" provisional license, and then not learn to drive < 1427734766 189542 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have national identity cards, and the driving license works as a substitute for it < 1427734795 594706 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works the same here < 1427734811 641962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the advice is to carry ID if you're not a citizen of the country you're in (Brit abroad, or foreigner in Britain), but for a Brit in Britain, you don't need ID most of the time < 1427734811 911002 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the driving license isn't official enough for everything < 1427734820 782371 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can vote with a driving license, but you can't withdraw money < 1427734823 882515 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lived in far too many places < 1427734847 988157 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a BC driver's license, an Illinois driver's license, but not a UK driver's license. < 1427734878 335934 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now that information is permanently on the public Internet, but I don't suppose it matters. < 1427734892 256075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, you're in the UK right now < 1427734896 345019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to CTCP TIME < 1427734900 719288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somewhere else in UTC+0 < 1427734910 360230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see my FOAF file on http://zzo38computer.org/my_foaf.ttl < 1427734920 836002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the UK allows foreign driver's licenses under some circumstances < 1427734928 743574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might add more later on < 1427734929 226546 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, yes, right now I am barely a stone's throw from Trafalgar Square < 1427734945 581496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that there's not much point in trying to hide what country or even city you're in < 1427734951 499947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IP is shown too many places < 1427734957 562606 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's crappy client doesn't do ctcps
< 1427735011 388037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: It can respond to VERSION and TIME requests from me though < 1427735016 282236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I received one from you < 1427735019 785979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just didn't show the response? < 1427735026 873646 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably < 1427735045 737722 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't receive the notification from zzo38 either < 1427735046 588488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can enter control characters then you should be able to use it. < 1427735070 23507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hardly anyone sends ctcps by manually typing the control-A < 1427735082 2840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it in the past, but it's much more common to use a specific CTCP feature of a client < 1427735090 313071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I do, because that's the only way my client has to send. < 1427735098 276965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For replying it can do it automatically though. < 1427735141 756534 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735150 720729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? Interesting choice of language for implementing an IRC client < 1427735164 676814 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 NICK :Guest67562 < 1427735200 641264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, but I couldn't figure out how to do internet connection properly with C < 1427735228 480856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1427735291 719 :Guest67562!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 NICK :shikhout < 1427735293 305806 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sockets? < 1427735299 495447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also haven't implemented split-screen or anything like that so far < 1427735301 100973 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 QUIT :Changing host < 1427735301 103045 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735339 716592 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year I was asked to do an instant messaging service in C using signals < 1427735367 559387 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> zzo38: hardly anyone sends ctcps by manually typing the control-A < 1427735384 817501 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1427735384 979302 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but if there's a channel where you're going to find people wanting to... you could do worse than #esoteric < 1427735397 285047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right, and I know from the past that zzo38 /does/ send the control-As manually < 1427735400 350366 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735406 415755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought I'd clarify how most clients work < 1427735412 475216 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the OS, the signals lost ranged from 1% to 90% so everything had to be very redundant but also stutter-proof < 1427735424 724382 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 NICK :Guest91957 < 1427735455 559843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen other IRC clients but I don't like it much therefore I implemented my own one. < 1427735485 268807 :Guest91957!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 QUIT :Client Quit < 1427735501 381073 :shikhin_!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735514 295543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With syntax highlighting and other stuff < 1427735520 732615 :shikhin_!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 QUIT :Changing host < 1427735520 734501 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735524 213100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And macros indicated by function keys < 1427735530 166912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And password masking < 1427735531 574423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on. < 1427735565 399360 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax highlighting? __english__ syntax? < 1427735570 221238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, IRC syntax < 1427735603 93448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your input starts with "PASS " then everything typed after that on the same line will display as asterisks, and furthermore it won't save that line into the history of inputs. < 1427735633 22162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it highlight English syntax? < 1427735675 993471 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what language did you write it in? < 1427735688 924596 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a guess < 1427735692 436873 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably wrong < 1427735694 111034 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1427735710 452200 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735710 461666 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 QUIT :Changing host < 1427735710 464213 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427735737 489724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What language did I write what in? < 1427735753 77444 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what language did you write your IRC client in? < 1427735769 403274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in PHP, because I could not figure out how to do it with C. < 1427735791 310038 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my 3rd guess (after FORTH and C) < 1427735825 339830 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, if I were to write one, I would probably do it in Python < 1427735827 117335 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is boring < 1427735830 132163 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate myself for it < 1427735833 939166 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's what i write now < 1427735838 895306 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so terrible < 1427735875 353522 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe Javascript except I know I wouldn't be able to bring myself to use node.js for something that signficant < 1427735910 473970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to write a somewhat-serious client for myself < 1427735933 579566 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1427735951 760460 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1427735958 903397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also not like the other IRC clients too? < 1427735966 794992 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the awful bit about an IRC client would be the async terminal (or GUI) I/O versus the network I/O, wouldn't it < 1427735974 737239 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe node.js wouldn't be *that* bad actually < 1427735985 694604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think node.js wouldn't be too bad < 1427735992 614036 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1427736023 155691 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind weechat, I don't mind irssi, but I hate their build systems < 1427736024 6977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It is what I thought too, but I was able to figure out how to do that in PHP < 1427736032 509625 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, "hate" is too strong a work < 1427736034 647801 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*word < 1427736040 496592 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427736070 923179 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat works decently, but I don't like how the plugin system seems to be very fragile (at least the little I've looked at it) < 1427736074 342353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you know I am working on a Z-machine implementation for Famicom? < 1427736089 736083 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1427736103 820556 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427736138 611022 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, I didn't know that. Cool. < 1427736161 146438 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a 2nd-hand Famicom once... without a proper power supply... I don't remember if I ever got it working. < 1427736190 244254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already wrote ZORKMID in C, which is a Z-machine debugger, therefore I can see what instructions Zork I executes before the first READ, as well as seeing various other things < 1427736222 220612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are interested, here is that list of instructions: http://sprunge.us/KMhj < 1427736239 617458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The * is the debugger prompt and P displays this list; also O will clear the list < 1427736260 482220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are other commands too, such as u for unassemble, d for dump, q for quit, r for restart, etc < 1427736337 215002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on a compiler to target Z-machine too actually, which is actually mainly an assembler but with extensions and macros and more optimizations. < 1427736360 311661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, oerjan helped me to optimize the text packing. < 1427736419 983989 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could never wrap my head around the Z-machine. i mean, i'm sure it's possible, but all those clever little packed things. brrrr < 1427736458 858572 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed a who-knows-how-old-it-was bug in Zplet, though < 1427736485 94840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug is that? < 1427736509 509383 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to do with font size versus size of the applet < 1427736537 18525 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/XelaRellum/ZPlet/pull/3 if you *really* care < 1427736589 470448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1427736602 40983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the tax office's phone lines are still open < 1427736613 87648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going home to get some documents, then phone them < 1427736615 2780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for now everyone < 1427736617 380883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1427736656 349247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen my All The Tropes user page? < 1427736679 558970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also look at my FOAF which can be downloaded from: http://zzo38computer.org/my_foaf.ttl < 1427736713 946974 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :first FOAF I've ever seen with gopher:// in it < 1427736762 565732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has telnet:// in it too; have you seen other FOAFs with telnet:// in it? Probably for ones that mention MUDs it might be in there I suppose < 1427736775 916283 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair i have not seen many FOAFs at all < 1427736784 474566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I see a FOAF < 1427736847 343104 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should be going < 1427736848 84815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a SQLite extension that can parse this and other RDF Turtle files. It turns out to be smaller than Serd, and as far as I know the only one that has a API that is accessed from SQL. < 1427736856 263777 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, all < 1427736861 945034 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427736863 971177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, now you know! < 1427736946 24182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although some people write FOAFs in XML instead < 1427736957 736122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Turtle to write mine though. < 1427737013 336046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :foaf... < 1427737056 633747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1427737063 95238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently wordpress supports foaf < 1427737068 868643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how that works < 1427737096 31904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I think I have read that too < 1427737144 475172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking #wordpress < 1427737694 868972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1427738148 351604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427738164 177765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the tax department's phone line says the same thing as their website < 1427738178 488318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that there's no need to worry or do anything if they've sent you a tax code change < 1427738202 966771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, my tax code /hasn't/ changed and I need a tax code change form anyway because my bank are making silly requests < 1427738206 321947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just complain to the bank < 1427738546 337822 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427738891 41850 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eydrramluiwwgvhb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1427739072 396751 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1427739155 114597 :clrg!~clrg@host157.200-117-27.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1427739322 903430 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427739452 198300 :lawspeaker!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1427740158 762794 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427740243 518727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427740244 965853 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427740258 384151 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, complaining to the bank always work *ahem* < 1427740298 394977 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, they always call back when you reach their answering machine even though you called during their office hours < 1427740864 139065 :clrg!~clrg@host157.200-117-27.telecom.net.ar PART #esoteric :"Saliendo" < 1427741190 34765 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ksmkdbwyfgsmsjgt QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427741222 937854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about aspect-oriented programming, now I think perhaps RULECARD should be designed with something similar to aspect-oriented programming as one of its features. < 1427741313 878689 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bjcmywecbmdcjohd JOIN :#esoteric < 1427741514 207829 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🀆 🀅 🀄 < 1427741517 322289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F006 MAHJONG TILE WHITE DRAGON] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1F005 MAHJONG TILE GREEN DRAGON] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1F004 MAHJONG TILE RED DRAGON] < 1427741639 6259 :Judas!~Judas@iro35-1-78-232-130-105.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427741770 933460 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1427742004 658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in Magic: the Gathering, there is triggers on stack, "instead of" abilities, effects that temporarily or permanently change other effects and objects, etc < 1427742023 855693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the white dragon tile is hilarious < 1427742030 364823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the tiles themselves are also white < 1427742040 554714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the joke is, they leave the tile blank because it's a white dragon on a white background < 1427742071 802044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called "haku", yes it is a blank tile, although some sets have a border < 1427742108 702945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The glass haku tiles in a Washizu set will be the same on both sides even. < 1427742222 272096 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In Chinese sets, usually there's a frame to represent the dragon < 1427742238 348164 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Japenese sets, though, they actually leave them blank < 1427742245 906019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am aware < 1427742250 842981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I know it's not always blank < 1427742276 972069 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427742289 937074 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sets of black tiles as well, but these pose a problem as they are often not two-toned, so if they don't put some sort of marker (usually a dot in Japanese sets) to indicate the white dragon, it is indistinguishable face up and face down < 1427742317 835798 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you sometimes have to stand it on its end to distinguish it, and on top of that, in a heavily played set, it will be worn differently since it sees equal wear on both sides < 1427742442 43313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but a proper set should have the back a different color than the front (the back can be brown or green for non-magnetic tiles, or it is blue or pink for magnetic tiles, I think) < 1427742513 314463 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have terminal emulator suggestions? < 1427742517 97941 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :configuring urxvt is shit < 1427742522 888449 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :konsole doesn't handle astral characters correctly < 1427742527 361021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the glass haku tiles in Washizu sets are going to be the same on both sides, but in that case it doesn't matter because you are supposed to be allowed to look at opponent's glass tiles. < 1427742592 139825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Can't you use xterm? < 1427742666 107493 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps? does it support full unicode correctly and is it a pain in the ass to configure? < 1427742847 921201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1427742870 807934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When working on Linux I generally use Linux VC with Unicode turned off < 1427743022 522454 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427743028 663582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427743029 772405 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427743175 2617 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427743211 850768 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with the seeping bass again :( < 1427743369 828276 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427743371 278875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427743372 322286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very treble experience. < 1427743423 614404 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427743468 51005 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a pun needs the other word to exist, int-e < 1427743487 741782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'reble? < 1427743510 689431 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1427743513 433619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the editing distance is a bit too big. < 1427743520 358757 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1427743523 161006 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+# < 1427743561 951359 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web irc font confuses my swatting < 1427743651 802973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when you're serious you should try a sharper swatter like "-----♯♯♯" hth < 1427743678 446925 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only One True Swatter < 1427743701 621918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :----%%% < 1427744037 675508 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< coppro> konsole doesn't handle astral characters correctly – Really? What does it do with them? < 1427744127 824238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I use gnome-terminal as my terminal but I wouldn't really recommend it < 1427744288 699355 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius is back to its usual unschedule < 1427744350 729995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DST trouble. < 1427744380 175820 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think it's a bit more than 1 hour off < 1427744388 719121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think? < 1427744468 455205 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly recall being able to mostly expect an update to be ready around 6-7 AM my time in previous years < 1427744481 12438 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this occasionally still happens. < 1427744653 546117 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like lewie has found a life philosophy, i wonder if that's what he's been doing since he came back to black mountain < 1427745063 346267 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427745069 36991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427745076 790564 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427745183 209460 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that breaking out a tab into its own window gets IE confused about the rest of them... < 1427745201 329449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox seems to have a bug where the tabs are in the wrong order < 1427745214 86433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the order they're arranged at the top of the screen is different from the order ctrl-pgdn cycles through htem < 1427745220 369356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trying to rearrange them causes some of them to overlap < 1427745234 952198 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1427745401 16630 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427745512 822334 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427745581 508762 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427745631 344339 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1427745817 656175 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427747033 701114 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427747313 539491 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427748976 776066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1427748982 754997 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427749007 156625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Yoob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42242&oldid=31859 5* 035.29.33.254 5* (+38) 10 < 1427749200 516213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427749292 831595 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1427749293 403496 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be ethical for me to use Mechanical Turk for something? < 1427749331 72781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what that thing is, surely < 1427749347 29247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think all uses of mechanical turk are unethical due to not paying the users enough < 1427749358 468045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem is, that the unethical uses are likely to be willing to pay more per person than the ethical ones < 1427749360 467322 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427749362 664547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they may price the ethical ones out of the market < 1427749415 726576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, it turns out that one of the main reasons that Google and Yahoo! and friends are trying push people to use two-factor auth for their accounts (tying them to cellphones) is to prevent spam automated signups, because most spambots don't have cellphones < 1427749437 818414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and allegedly, the price of a Google account on the black market is approximately the same as that of the cheapest available SIM cards) < 1427749442 543124 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing I had in mind is just a thing for personal use (finding YouTube videos to match with my collection of MIDIs), but I'm looking at MTurk and it seems to pay out pennies, which seems a bit cheap < 1427749513 343806 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427749624 784683 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1427749713 601213 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427749815 508939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427749817 153072 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427750059 512854 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427750675 363111 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1427750843 742417 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1427750867 207756 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone doesn't find one of the songs, not paying is probably unethical < 1427751235 166416 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is mechanical turk per hour anyway < 1427751549 900250 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTurk pays people based on how much you offer. < 1427751558 167703 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some service transaction, I imagine. < 1427751595 603503 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTurk isn't per-hour, it's piecerate. < 1427751621 740982 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you somehow set a task to require spending a set amount of time doing something. < 1427751627 366970 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than for the result. < 1427751658 412038 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget why I decided against working for it. < 1427751844 671565 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :orin < 1427751887 809589 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. if the price is per task, then it is similar to working on commission < 1427752015 440397 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to safely/ethically set up tasks that may fail? < 1427752039 58989 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't pay for failure, that's possibly unethical, if I do pay for failure, someone could lie and say they failed < 1427752061 148846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the amount of worry setting this up will cause you < 1427752066 585606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is larger than the benefit you'd get if it worked < 1427752077 717990 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You examine their work and determine yourself if it's a failure. < 1427752078 683780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if they failed you shouldn't have to pay if you do not want to < 1427752097 526445 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the task it might be possible to determine if they tried. < 1427752123 928308 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the common practice is to set the price super low and to generally accept anything. < 1427752127 305603 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since here the work is 'finding the name of a song', I don't really have a way to check honestly (except seaching myself) if it's true that they tried and couldn't ind it < 1427752128 656945 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find it < 1427752139 217925 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I heard soon after it came out, anyway. < 1427752160 962593 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they get you the name, you could easily just put that in a search engine. < 1427752170 77907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have enough money maybe you can try by making up fake tasks that you do not need in order to see who is more honestly and so on < 1427752173 649997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I believe there are cellphone "apps" that claim to be able to determine the name of a song from listening to it < 1427752175 501252 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: which would be a success < 1427752185 911632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work better < 1427752190 811980 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1427752200 412556 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: including MIDIs? I guess I should try it < 1427752209 814800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about MIDIs < 1427752217 516330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be the best route for you to go down < 1427752223 550273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra checking like that ought to cost more of course < 1427752285 93153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About MIDIs, I can tell you something I read once (I think it was in Reader's Digest). To index the music, they mark each note as up, down, or same, and use the string of the first few notes represented in this way, in order to find it. Something similar could be done with MIDI, I suppose. < 1427752333 361558 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427752344 479925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427752384 658726 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427752880 108742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A version of the Magic: the Gathering card "Fruit of the First Tree" with exploit (and possibly also cycling) would be called what? < 1427753151 587284 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu < 1427753568 622077 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427753683 31154 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427753728 74266 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427753822 667091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can't figure out a card name by which mechanics it uses < 1427753832 632672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, so I just made one up < 1427753837 998910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because exploit and cycling haven't been in the same set yet, so we don't know what setting it would be in < 1427753869 839821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just called it "Fruit of the Third Tree" for now; its mana cost is {1} more and it has exploit and cycling {2} < 1427753974 13945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the setting either of course < 1427754011 204060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up another card that has a trigger "when any creature is exploited", without caring who or what exploits it. < 1427754019 403288 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427754029 781277 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1427754435 762612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What setting do you think that would be in? < 1427754514 344429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do exploit and cycling do+ < 1427754620 839941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: exploit is "when CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a creature", the cards with that ability normally give you some reason why you'd /want/ to < 1427754621 470595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exploit means when this comes into play, you may sacrifice a creature (the permanent with that ability is then considered to have exploited the sacrificed creature). Cycling means you can pay the cost and then discard it from your hand in order to draw a card. < 1427754648 659747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cycling is "pay «cost», discard CARDNAME from your hand: draw a card" («cost» is traditionally {2} but weirder costs have been seen more recently) < 1427754809 56028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1427754837 587276 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cycling seems like an interesting mechanic < 1427754847 476126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newest set invented exploit and megamorph keywords. < 1427754856 251053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the ones they bring out every now and then because they need a card flow mechanic < 1427754867 335216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both only on creatures, though. < 1427754894 864183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, both mechanics could go on other things < 1427754915 940090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the design intent behind exploit is that you can sacrifice the creature it's on < 1427754918 269925 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bird < 1427754918 996837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bird bird bird bird < 1427754919 495443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's unlikely to go on a noncreature < 1427754958 514320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, if it is a creature you can do that, but that doesn't mean it has to be a creature; it just means that if it isn't, then you can't do that unless something else makes it to be a creature. < 1427754963 628751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1427754976 243326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that if they design a mechanic for a specific purpose < 1427754983 897639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not normally used in contexts where that purpose doesn't work < 1427755006 763570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my point is that if they design a mechanic for a specific purpose, then you can try to use it for other purposes too. < 1427755163 549717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up card having ninjutsu even though it is not a creature, as well as creature that has both ninjutsu and defender. In the former case, it can come into play tapped but can't attack (unless it is an instant or sorcery in which case it remains in your hand); in the latter case it only attacks once. < 1427755391 961490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can also create a table of contents window in PDF. Still I think PDF isn't very good < 1427755794 543093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a card with defender and haste in future sight < 1427755822 818200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, I have seen that < 1427756038 293714 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat canary < 1427756039 171414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat canary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1427756043 982382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat canary < 1427756046 399776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1427756080 879880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add another command that executes shell command like that but sets the locale to C before executing your command. < 1427756102 183396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s canary wisdom/canary; ls -l wisdom/canary < 1427756106 993957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Mar 30 22:56 wisdom/canary -> canary < 1427756122 191544 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/canary; ln -s ../canary wisdom/canary; ls -l wisdom/canary < 1427756127 264318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Mar 30 22:57 wisdom/canary -> ../canary < 1427756132 87429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary < 1427756132 929819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1427756137 808948 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll do < 1427756218 907115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary is in wisdom? < 1427756222 343112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1427756233 170109 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1427756253 803575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't particularly informative or entertaining < 1427756256 744732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noise < 1427756261 394580 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1427756267 522157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been guilty of introducing noise into wisdom/ too, of course < 1427756291 646783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though actually making use of the canary file was a bit amusing, but alas < 1427756304 392257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong, then < 1427756316 186972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could well be the one being wrong < 1427756452 105215 :scott!uid25790@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnsnawfeineqwcwo PART :#esoteric < 1427756463 94207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed HackEgo now it can use C locale instead of the stupid one < 1427756479 837251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put ``` at the front of the command rather than `` < 1427756522 529343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG < 1427756523 668708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8 < 1427756531 682776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo $LANG < 1427756532 612029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1427756560 402909 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :english New Zealand? < 1427756638 996946 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427756643 480316 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand English indeed. < 1427756651 123377 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(en_CA's the best, tho :D) < 1427756679 328003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also Canadian, but I think the best setting should be LANG=C < 1427756732 810095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not Canadian. < 1427756740 45064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about en_US.utf-8? < 1427756743 568927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canada < 1427756744 621546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big. < 1427756816 644664 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427756838 468826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I want LANG=C any other setting is no good. It can also be useful to set different settings for telephone, money, etc but even then it should be part of the database probably, rather than using the wrong setting for the database and cause a mess. < 1427756887 609354 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ELONGATED CHICKEN < 1427756919 793143 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 QUIT :Quit: STAPLED CHICKEN < 1427756930 83954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is also to make CLI message always print in English (or in an abbreviated form), but GUI and documentation can use any languages, possibly multiple in case people of different language want to read this documentation too. < 1427756962 931751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only always in English, but also they should always be in ASCII too, as much as possible.) < 1427756976 964225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I don't like English? < 1427757004 482966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale -a < 1427757005 426066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa_DJ \ aa_DJ.utf8 \ aa_ER \ aa_ER@saaho \ aa_ET \ af_ZA \ af_ZA.utf8 \ am_ET \ an_ES \ an_ES.utf8 \ ar_AE \ ar_AE.utf8 \ ar_BH \ ar_BH.utf8 \ ar_DZ \ ar_DZ.utf8 \ ar_EG \ ar_EG.utf8 \ ar_IN \ ar_IQ \ ar_IQ.utf8 \ ar_JO \ ar_JO.utf8 \ ar_KW \ ar_KW.utf8 \ ar_LB \ ar_LB.utf8 \ ar_LY \ ar_LY.utf8 \ ar_MA \ ar_MA.utf8 \ ar_OM \ ar_OM.utf8 \ ar_QA \ ar < 1427757042 707165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then you can access the documentation in the language that you do like instead. < 1427757071 99221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=ar_LB.utf8 echo > /dev/full < 1427757072 427595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device < 1427757153 237114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=ru_RU.utf8 /bin/echo > /dev/full # ok, it works in principle... < 1427757154 152424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/echo: ошибка записи: На устройстве кончилось место < 1427758711 330082 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ar_LB? < 1427758726 399837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arabic (Lebanon) < 1427758729 603364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1427758771 186478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=ja_JP.utf8 echo >/dev/full < 1427758786 615915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: 0 行: echo: 書き込みエラー: デバイスに空き領域がありません < 1427758808 610672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8 echo > /dev/full < 1427758809 440503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device < 1427758816 488357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1427759495 788283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427759580 475239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427759748 256513 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric