< 1429401600 384673 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1429401708 1728 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429402490 253571 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1429402490 306949 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1429402513 96749 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdfewxelmyqcivnd JOIN :#esoteric < 1429402796 714420 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1429403071 618535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42614&oldid=42594 5* 03Phi 5* (+14) 10 < 1429404511 258300 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1429405697 298680 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1429405743 528667 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. what is stenosteganography? it sounds like something I'd be prefixing to a chicken. < 1429406281 719859 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it is stuff quickly written in invisible ink? < 1429406297 643023 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the electronic equivalent < 1429406441 421757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are going to write with electric ink? < 1429406473 26517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429406561 228583 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorin. I think it's invisible shorthand. < 1429406578 793649 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. there exists conductive ink for drawing circuits and stuff. < 1429406681 73257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know writing with shorthand; if I knew then I can try to use shorthand to record any play or movie I watched by writing down everything they say. < 1429406942 212544 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1429407477 607497 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Cya. < 1429407977 340381 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1429409120 669418 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WALLED CHICKEN < 1429409293 138043 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1429409391 838082 :yetto13921!~adminuser@181.140.117.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429409400 598155 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429409437 922946 :yetto13921!~adminuser@181.140.117.189 PART :#esoteric < 1429409521 54912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expensive laptop, and it's defective < 1429409523 725662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is annoyed < 1429411084 547842 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you already buy it? That was fast. < 1429412093 896938 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't printers work by singeing the paper with heat? Then they wouldn't need ink. < 1429412362 897885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much fire do you need to do that? < 1429412642 439900 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1429412942 615353 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1429413317 208148 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greg shorthand is pretty interesting because it is optimised for ease of movement < 1429413681 330140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of that; the book I have is Pitman (although this book doesn't explain all of it either) < 1429413779 770651 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's online http://gregg.angelfishy.net/ < 1429413855 596787 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1429414355 334929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42615&oldid=42570 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+4) 10/* Escape sequence */ Err < 1429414723 540683 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdfewxelmyqcivnd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1429414816 559972 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1429414830 175587 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429415407 341771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, yes, and using it now < 1429415715 790876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the shorthand for recording plays and movies and theater and stuff? < 1429416575 597088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot interrupt them in such a case if you miss something while writing! < 1429416615 707620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also needs to do without interrupting other people who watch the show. < 1429417753 226462 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1429419692 849868 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: like thermal printers? < 1429419718 588807 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most receipt printers do that, no ink required! (special thermal paper required) < 1429419809 987016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to learn to make up and then write in Theater Shorthand; that's what I would use shorthand for, because I don't need it for other purposes. < 1429420399 6753 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1429420481 816327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know answer of any of my question at all, or anything a few thing a bit about it, or even to question the question (or to question the question the question the question)? < 1429420765 603597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Theater Shorthand? < 1429420891 377460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind that we would have to make up, to use for recording live theater or movies without the use of any device other than pencil and paper and without disturbing any other people in audience or disturbing the actors < 1429421842 318848 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just develop a photographic memory? < 1429421950 386272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it written down < 1429421962 958452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing what they said and so on < 1429422020 145995 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1429422680 667399 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1429422711 281760 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1429422968 199508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know stuff about my other questions above though? < 1429423305 294740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such as, how much fire you need and how large a hexagonal grid cell must be and how to automatically fill in the frequent words table and so on) < 1429423818 902571 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... it would have to be a shorthand such that you can write in the dark. < 1429423865 189131 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the test I did just now, it's not easy to write legibly without looking at what you're writing < 1429423974 709980 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shorthand would need to be designed so you won't normally write over your previous line, or maybe the notepad would need some sort of texture so you can tell where you are writing < 1429424029 953887 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1429424594 484485 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1429428591 661355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42616&oldid=42496 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+45) 10/* Quine */ < 1429428632 597809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42618&oldid=42615 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+45) 10/* Quine */ < 1429428862 246379 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a phonographic memory would work better for that. < 1429430664 522180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1429430664 628999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1429430664 682526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1429432410 899158 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1429434153 590695 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429434456 177338 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429434468 717721 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429435775 896627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1429436276 735549 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429436486 438932 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1429437647 852999 :_1_Hopp1!~42510006@101.222.165.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429437897 542829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42619&oldid=42572 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+57) 10/* Cheating Quines */ < 1429437926 458240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42620&oldid=42619 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+0) 10/* Gibberish/Javascript */ < 1429438071 348520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42621&oldid=42620 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+62) 10/* Gibberish */ < 1429438168 749027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42623&oldid=42621 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10/* Gibberish/JavaScript */ 上次少了一个空格! < 1429439684 870838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1429440194 667855 :_1_Hopp1!~42510006@101.222.165.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1429440304 768399 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429440312 637844 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429440512 940771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hezzo38. there exists conductive ink for drawing circuits and stuff. <-- i've been here too long, i read that as coinductive < 1429440793 517368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inkwell that never bottoms out < 1429440874 184383 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429442906 37042 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1429442963 691303 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1429444257 538418 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there is actually a funciton quine < 1429444265 174300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am impressed < 1429445482 576647 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1429445503 909075 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1429445526 558994 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1429445580 829608 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1429446620 42320 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1429447265 450727 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1429447546 28816 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1429448455 993201 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429448512 729077 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429448563 481931 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1429448722 23267 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1429448928 776964 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429450615 181964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1429450835 61975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1429451486 780213 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1429451530 687923 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1429451572 36890 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1429451583 460738 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1429452020 608701 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1429452060 246551 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1429452112 179810 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429452676 92940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1429452706 85913 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1429452981 162722 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1429453097 29263 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429453225 182940 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429453228 588679 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429453241 536756 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1429453698 489716 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1429453784 109488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there programs that print out their machine code? < 1429453814 103707 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1429453822 276695 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bytecode < 1429453824 350274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter < 1429453871 655383 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, quines < 1429453900 344757 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429454016 301495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1429454021 717131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write it dirctly in machinecode ok < 1429454078 384411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant more like they'll output P where P is what a transpiler/compiler would produce given the original program < 1429454153 437733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should in principle be easy, use the normal quine construction with "run a compiler" instead of "print" < 1429454213 16092 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1429454227 685387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler can be completely embedded if you want < 1429454338 98739 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1429454347 124277 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1429454415 636717 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't even need that < 1429454430 695814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1429454470 874820 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just write a non-quine that outputs a literal twice (with the second copy in the middle), compile, it, then change the literal to what the compiler has output, and iterate this a few times until it stabilizes < 1429454509 989831 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even easier than in most languages because you probably don't need backslash stuff, the literal will appear literally in the executable < 1429454517 649366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what guarantee do you have that it stabilizes < 1429454538 828774 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it's an executable in the silly MMIX object file format) < 1429454594 822812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think compilers usually embed literals in decimal? < 1429454619 103267 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: once you know the length of the literal, the executable will remain the same except that when you modify the literal itself its verbatim copy will change in the executable. the length of the literal and the position where it has to be inserted in the output will change, but will converge quickly, and in any case, only have finitely many values. < 1429454643 533296 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it could fail to converge and get in a short loop, but you can just fuzz the program a bit to avoid that < 1429454650 508664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1429454683 942302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree it _could_ work, provided you have a literal type that _does_ get literally embedded in the executable in the same form as in source < 1429454705 386948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess strings do < 1429454707 232706 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure it does. just a global char d[] = {3,1,4,1,5,...}; will be < 1429454708 759668 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no strings < 1429454715 113040 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an array with constant initializer < 1429454735 169367 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're worried the rest of the program is optimized for it too much, put it in a separate compilation unit < 1429454744 427507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um, surely it doesn't get embedded as the same byte sequence "3,1,4,1,5" < 1429454763 630620 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly, it gets embedded as the raw bytes < 1429454763 872308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3 in source is a 51 byte, you know < 1429454780 863776 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you have to print, because the point is to print not the C source, but the executable file < 1429454783 886081 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what we want? < 1429454792 618410 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to print _any_ part of the C source code at all < 1429454806 726293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1429454810 875110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1429454816 308116 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(replace C with some other compiled language if you wish) < 1429454837 586921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION epiphany < 1429454847 438472 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, you could write it directly in machine code too if you choose to) < 1429454913 834185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1429455184 516463 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways to write such a quine: < 1429455208 291873 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could duplicate only the elf headers, and have the program read the code and constant data segments directly; < 1429455226 487463 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could fuzz with the elf headers so the entire executable file is mapped, and then write that; < 1429455247 758856 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a DOS COM file already does that, so just making it write(1, 0x100, length of file); return; would work < 1429455286 626264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in quines, that's called "cheating" hth < 1429455291 261477 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably around 20 bytes of a COM file, less if you golf agressively < 1429455335 880448 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not. it's cheating if you're reading the file, or otherwise accessing it in a way the program doesn't normally do so < 1429455362 660854 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfectly normal for an executable program to have portions of it mapped in memory (some of the data portions might _change_ by the time you access them though) < 1429455379 84295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in machine code... < 1429455385 222834 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1429455410 454535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this question is less interesting if the original language is that close to the machine. < 1429456103 3708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well accessing the machine code in memory is probably cheating yes < 1429456129 458851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe it runs on a computer with code/data separated < 1429456132 163404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a microcontroller < 1429456139 69066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have read/write access to it. < 1429456274 656563 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1429456275 133524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 191500Z VRB06KT 30SM FEW040 08/M04 A3027 RMK SC1 SC TR SLP255 < 1429457825 474988 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1429457839 393074 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 JOIN 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