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01:24:30 <nvd> Hmm, I am confused about what a "monitor" (in terms of concurrency) is
01:24:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Velato]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42831&oldid=42830 * Rottytooth * (-4) /* External resources */ updated link
01:26:52 <nvd> Can any of you explain it to me
01:29:28 <Sgeo> I think there's an explanation in the Pharo docs
01:34:32 <orin> Monitors provide a mechanism for threads to temporarily give up exclusive access in order to wait for some condition to be met, before regaining exclusive access and resuming their task. -- Wiki
01:36:29 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_abbreviate_%22Wikipedia%22_as_%22Wiki%22! hth
01:37:15 <orin> So while you're waiting, some other thread uses the locked object and modifies it to make what you're witing for true.
01:37:47 <oerjan> people who call wikipedia "wiki" go to place after they die hth
01:38:50 <shachaf> oerjan: that page is just wiki's point of view hth
01:40:38 <oerjan> shachaf: have fun in place hth
01:46:29 <Sgeo> Unhelpfully, my IRC client assumes that ! is not part of a URL
01:47:10 <zzo38> What is your opinion of these kind of thing? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/gmm.txt
01:48:04 <pikhq> Pity, an IRC client ought to at least have some knowledge of the chars that can be in a URL.
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01:48:21 <oerjan> Sgeo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DAW hth
01:49:03 <orin> screw that. words are defined by usage
01:49:09 <zzo38> pikhq: Another way is to just do, assume < > and spaces and control characters are not part of the URL; that is a simple way probably work in many (but not all) cases.
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01:49:24 <shachaf> oerjan: "don't abbreviate wiki"?
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01:49:43 <zzo38> Still I agree not to abbreviate "Wikipedia" as "Wiki"; you can term "wiki" just as a general term which can include Wikipedia and others.
01:50:14 <orin> Wiki is wikipedia wiki is any wiki
01:50:28 <oerjan> fine, fine, excuse me while i orin my nose
01:51:20 <orin> words can also drink new definitions link context
01:51:52 <oerjan> shachaf: changing the meaning of words is such a scow
01:52:38 <orin> also, you can deliberately words and mind automatically them in
01:52:44 <Jafet> In-place fun algorithms
01:56:37 <oerjan> orin: hippy birdy to yew
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02:06:36 <pikhq> zzo38: That is close to the actual spec, so fair enough.
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02:14:40 <zzo38> I made this now: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.trope
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02:20:26 <orin> ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
02:22:20 <pikhq> zzo38: Your list of chars, the URL spec.
02:22:56 <orin> % encoding intercts badly with printf
02:23:20 <orin> "%%%d" god damn it
02:23:52 <zzo38> But you can use "%s" and then the other parameter is string and then such % encoding in a URL can be use with printf
02:24:17 <zzo38> That still isn't quite right
02:24:28 <zzo38> I think it is supposed to be "%%%02X"
02:24:30 <pikhq> The characters allowed are just alphanumerics and -._~:/?#[]@!$&'()*+,;=%
02:24:56 <zzo38> Then, it is easy to implement
02:25:24 <pikhq> So yes, your suggested approach would work perfectly well though it would accept some "URLs" that aren't actually URLs. (I don't think this is really a problem though)
02:28:42 <zzo38> Do you like a <BAL|FSV> = 0 notation?
02:29:03 <shachaf> What does that notation mean?
02:29:17 <zzo38> Do you know how to guess?
02:29:32 <zzo38> It is a Dirac notation but do you know the letters?
02:33:31 <shachaf> Maybe a good guess would be that |FSV> represents the current state of all accounts and currency units, and <BAL| is a covector representing the list of all accounts.
02:34:31 <zzo38> Yes, if FSV means "financial state vector"; it is another kind of accounting equation I think it is more mathematically elegant than the other one? What do *you* think?
02:34:56 <shachaf> I thought it meant Fiscal State Vector.
02:35:53 <shachaf> I was going by http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2010-06-24.txt
02:37:00 <zzo38> Wiktionary says "fiscal" also means financial but such usage is "proscribed"?
02:37:13 <zzo38> Which means they don't recommend it
02:37:18 <shachaf> zzo38: Are you going to ICFP this year?
02:38:04 <zzo38> ICFP? Where is that?
02:39:52 <zzo38> O, and when, and what is it doing this year?
02:40:09 <zzo38> If it is Vancouver then, possibly yes
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02:40:46 <shachaf> http://icfpconference.org/icfp2015/
02:40:51 <shachaf> I don't know, I've never been.
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02:43:05 <zzo38> Do you have to go there to read their paper?
02:43:37 <shachaf> No, the papers are all published online, I think.
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02:45:16 <zzo38> Can I buy printouts if I attend there though?
02:49:32 <zzo38> If I am near that hotel then I will check.
02:50:48 <zzo38> Which programs to write music into .XM/.MOD formats can use the kind of user interfaces other than a standard tracker interface, other than AmigaMML? If you know some which is also free software then please notify me I can make a list
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03:37:43 <orin> k seriously wine is bullshit
03:38:21 <orin> "a hint of apple" -- it tastes like grapes and alcoholl, dumbass
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03:58:41 <orin> Also how can they grow grapes in germany isn't it cold?
04:10:16 <orin> Maybe the ocean currents keep them nice and warm in the winter
04:11:44 <orin> \me googles map of europe, and sees germany is around the same latitude as england
04:12:27 <orin> england was cold as balls
04:12:45 <orin> although that might be because it was always raining
04:14:21 <oerjan> the grapes are generally grown in summer not winter hth
04:14:30 <orin> It did not stop raining the entire 2 weeks I as in england, in the summer
04:15:12 <oerjan> strangely enough, i've read there are wine producers in england
04:17:10 <pikhq> They apparently do wine production in freaking Canada, too.
04:17:24 <oerjan> nice map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wine-producing_regions
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04:31:07 <Decim> @bf +++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++<<<<<<-]+++++++++++++++>>>>----.>>++++++.<++++++++++.<<<<++.>>>>.---.>--.+.
04:31:26 <Decim> I broke my laptop screen uwu
04:32:00 <Decim> Or my cat sat on it ;-;
04:34:57 <orin> I haven't had a working screen on my laptop for a week or so
04:35:31 <orin> Do you have an external monitor you can use
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08:30:20 <fizzie> @ask oerjan How about people who call it "the pedia"?
08:38:53 <mroman> who calls what the pedia?
08:39:31 <quintopia> i'm guessing wikipedia, though pediatrician is also reasonable
08:39:55 <mroman> I was thinking about a pediatric clinic
08:40:16 <mroman> "My child is sick. Let's go to the pedia!"
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08:40:30 <fizzie> That was re <oerjan> people who call wikipedia "wiki" go to place after they die hth
08:40:39 <b_jonas> fungot, when your child is sick, do you take them to the pedia?
08:40:40 <fungot> b_jonas: c++ might be good to give them some thought
08:41:08 <fizzie> That was left deliberately unspecified, I think.
08:41:22 <mroman> It thinks if your child is sick just give it some C++
08:42:20 <quintopia> @ask oerjan how about "the great wiki"?
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08:59:27 <mroman> @ask oerjan How about "the w"?
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09:46:00 <mroman> why do ebooks have ISBN
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10:18:14 <orin> titles of books are not unique identification
10:22:11 <mroman> E-Books aren't real books .
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10:42:15 <b_jonas> mroman: libraries can lend ebooks, and the isbn gives an easy way to compare that two books really are the exact same edition
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11:22:01 <mroman> fungot: isn't DOI cool?
11:22:01 <fungot> mroman: i think the website describe it
11:29:18 <fizzie> If ISDN is short for "I Still Don't Need it" (or "I Smell Dollars Now"), what's ISBN short for?
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11:35:29 <mroman> I still believe nothing?
11:35:59 <mroman> fungot: Are you on an ISDN connection?
11:36:00 <fungot> mroman: good luck with that, it's really sexy :) i just glanced at it.
11:36:29 <fizzie> I'm not sure that's the word I'd use.
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11:56:52 <Jafet> Bad fizzie, must have pilloried fungot behind V90 dial-up.
11:56:53 <fungot> Jafet: take four squares and connect them at the shell
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12:54:56 <fizzie> Jafet: No, no: K56flex.
12:56:06 <fungot> mroman: invalid character:'. try again! maybe with fnord hmm? it won't be too hard
13:03:24 <fizzie> Push the shell... Climb the shell...
13:03:50 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
13:03:58 <fizzie> fungot: Say something about shells.
13:03:58 <fungot> fizzie: we are looking, but well behaved! crono!! crono!!!
13:04:04 <fungot> fizzie: need a clone? the magician, nolstein bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
13:07:27 <mroman> fungot: I could use a clone.
13:07:27 <fungot> mroman: by thy leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono! are you leaving!
13:07:43 <mroman> ct isn't a neat style for conversations :(
13:07:51 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
13:08:07 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
13:08:11 <fungot> mroman: for in time, and space, and kuranes awaked in his london garret. there in the cellar laboratory and gazed at the cyclopean ruins that fnord over mars' ruddy disc. when the crowd was gone i saw the alert, manned by a queer and evil-looking crew of fnord and fnord, fnord
13:08:14 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
13:10:04 <fungot> Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
13:10:09 <fungot> mroman: i love it! too short of a job in a paralell flight with 130 passengers on board.
13:10:31 <mroman> How did you gather youtube comments?
13:14:11 <fizzie> Someone submitted me a file that had manually scraped (I believe copy-paste and then some formatting) comments of like three videos.
13:14:59 <fizzie> One of them is about a flight crash or a missing flight or something, so lot of it is about planes.
13:15:07 <fizzie> fungot: Is there a conspiracy about the flight?
13:15:08 <fungot> fizzie: are you now know some have information that could deem your position as, well, in alsace/ france.
13:15:18 <fizzie> fungot: That sounds vaguely ominous.
13:15:18 <fungot> fizzie: looks like it has taken me 15 seconds'? are describing yourself now?
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13:16:36 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
13:16:54 <Jafet> A more dynamic and engaging fungot personality.
13:16:54 <fungot> Jafet: ( newline) foo) with a frobozz argument, too: you might want to slow down the
13:18:05 <fizzie> Yes, very dynamic and engaging.
13:18:24 <fizzie> Personally, I think europarl is one of the "best-working" ones, FSVO.
13:18:29 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
13:18:43 <fizzie> fungot: So what about the UK 2015 election results?
13:18:44 <fungot> fizzie: madam president, commissioner, firstly i would like to reiterate the two statements of the different legal systems, in accordance with the voting list. you, who criticize tobacco: first of all to congratulate the rapporteur at the very least difficult, as we have done with the laissez-faire attitude which characterised the environmentalism of the 1970s, made a commitment to human rights.
13:19:07 <fizzie> fungot: So... not so good, then?
13:19:08 <fungot> fizzie: the action plan for ukraine, and indeed exclusively, to italy, i was present in the incineration of hazardous waste, in accordance with articles 61 and 63 of the intervention of the structural funds and the cohesion fund, the world' s poorest countries have the right to provide information, which where it is lacking, but also of the immigrants present in considerable numbers in our countries targeted against the symbols
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13:24:05 <HackEgo> 1057) <Taneb> I would like to learn how to use a sword <Taneb> And also how to ride a unicycle <Taneb> Perhaps not at the same time
13:26:24 <mroman> although riding an unicycle with a sword sounds more impressing
13:26:38 <mroman> especially if you plan on hosting unicycle sword combat tournaments.
13:27:08 <mroman> @ask Taneb How's that unicycling going?
13:27:20 <fizzie> "Every seat I have is as sharp as a razor, so you always play to roll." To quote a random sentence from a bike blog.
13:30:10 <HackEgo> 833) <shachaf> Bike: Your client colours people? <Bike> it would be pretty boring to see everyone as white, i get that enough in real life \ 836) <Bike> "damn, my port of ghc to php isn't properly taking javascript booleans into account" \ 856) <kmc> i bet a blog post complaining about ");});});" syntax in JavaScript and comparing it unfavorably t
13:30:17 <HackEgo> 1057) <Taneb> I would like to learn how to use a sword <Taneb> And also how to ride a unicycle <Taneb> Perhaps not at the same time \ 1187) <Bike> learn you a unicycle for great good
13:30:39 <HackEgo> 856) <kmc> i bet a blog post complaining about ");});});" syntax in JavaScript and comparing it unfavorably to Lisp would get approximately one billion comments on hacker news <Bike> but at what cost? your very soul, kmc!
13:31:25 <mroman> "JavaScript as bad as LISP"
13:32:31 <mroman> github wont let me search for ))) and );});});
13:33:37 <mroman> and https://searchcode.com/?q=%29%3B}%29%3B}%29%3B gives me 500
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14:35:49 <mroman> fungot: fungot: fungot: fungot: fungot:
14:35:50 <fungot> mroman: mr president, like other speakers, i would cite, for example, as regards its model of development, on the appalling abuses perpetrated by the talibans in the name of the fight against terrorism. despite this raft of proposals, when the political will to provide information regularly, here and there. at the same time, try to achieve something. at the moment.
14:37:14 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
14:37:21 <mroman> fungot: Do you want to play unreal tournament?
14:37:22 <fungot> mroman: have i mentioned i compiled scheme48 at the moment too.))
14:38:08 <mroman> why's it called Scheme48 when Scheme did not exist before 1975?
14:39:02 <mroman> oh wait. that's an implementation of scheme
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15:37:18 <HackEgo> olist 984: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
15:39:17 <J_Arcane> mroman: "It is called "Scheme 48" because the first version was written in 48 hours in August 1986.[7]"
15:40:33 <izabera> that's like calling it scheme crap
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15:51:06 <zzo38> Any accountant is going to see <BAL|FSV> = 0 and is going to say.........What???????????I am fused!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:57:57 <zzo38> Can you win the Ig Nobel prize for proving that it is impossible to use complex numbers in accounting?
15:58:25 <int-e> No, that just shows lack of imagination.
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16:01:24 <int-e> No, of course not.
16:02:28 <int-e> You'd think that accountants don't have any use for imaginary numbers but then how would any frauds ever happen?
16:03:06 <zzo38> By impossible, I mean impossible to use and to comply with GAAP at the same time.
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16:03:45 <zzo38> So I don't consider frauds and other kind of illegal stuff like that as valid
16:05:53 <orin> ^style europarl
16:05:53 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
16:06:21 <orin> fungot, how come you don't have a guy yelling in German at the top ofhis lungs every tenth word
16:06:22 <fungot> orin: with regard to the current situation of each of the member state in which they are proposing to cooperate with countries at war or that arm themselves for war, for exploitation and for that reason, i believe that we should resume negotiations at a technical level. my fourth point has to do with whether you use e and all possible relevant data collected by the european union
16:06:51 <orin> must be a consolidated and translated corpus
16:17:26 <zzo38> They deleted the German words since it interferes with the algorithm, I suppose.
16:19:44 <b_jonas> orin: I think the german yelling is translated to English too
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16:40:09 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
16:41:34 <Somelauw> !bf32 >+[[>>+>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<+>[<->[>++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]++++++++[<++++++>-]>[<<+>>-]>[<<+>>-]<<]>]<[->>++++++++[<++++++>-]]<[.[-]<]++++++++++.[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[-<<+>>]<<<[->>>+<<<]>[-<+>]>[-<+>]>[-<+>]<[-<+>]<]
16:41:34 <EgoBot> 1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 121 \ 98 \ 219 \ 61 \ 24 \ 85 \ 109 \ 194 \ 47 \ 241 \ 32 \ 17 \ 49 \ 66 \ 115 \ 181 \ 40 \ 221 \ 5 \ 226 \ 231 \ 201 \ 176 \ 121 \ 41 \ 162 \ 203 \ 109 \ 56 \ 165 \ 221 \ 130 \ 95 \ 225 \ 64 \ 33 \ 97 \ 130 \ 227 \ 101 \ 72 \ 173 \ 245 \ 162 \ 151 \ 57 \ 208 \ 9 \ 217 \ 226 \ 187 \ 157 \ 88 \ 245 \ 77 \ 66 \ 143 \ 209 \ 96 \ 49 \ 145 \ 194 \ 83 \ 21 \ 104
16:42:00 <Somelauw> 32 bit means it can count to 4294967296
16:46:18 <Somelauw> also the mercurial repository of EgoBot seems to be done
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17:25:01 <zzo38> Are these enough instruments making .XM musics? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml/wiki/Instruments
17:55:00 <tswett> My favorite recursive acronym is RASARAWF.
17:55:18 <tswett> Recursive Acronyms Such As "RASARAWF" Are Well-Founded.
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18:19:37 <Somelauw> scoofy: that's my question. In my own interpreter it goes beyond 256.
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19:19:08 <zzo38> Does <BAL|FSV> = 0 means that <BAL| and |FSV> are orthogonal to each other?
19:27:04 <tswett> zzo38: I think that's exactly the definition of orthogonality.
19:29:53 <zzo38> Yes, I thought so too
19:32:29 <zzo38> I read in some book about polonium halos that they didn't know how they worked. Do you know now though?
19:46:57 <zzo38> Well, I looked it up in Wikipedia and it says they are known since 20th century and "The most widely accepted explanation is that the discolouration is caused by alpha particles emitted by the nuclei"; apparently still not known perfectly though, possibly not even due to polonium or any radioactivity.........?
20:37:15 <fizzie> Hm. Wonder why a logrotate config of "/foo/a /foo/b { ... }" rotated only the logfile b, even though both exist in the directory /foo, and the permissions etc. are the same.
20:40:44 <fizzie> As far as I can tell from the man page, it should be valid.
20:40:49 <fizzie> I wonder if logrotate logs somewhere.
20:44:55 <fizzie> (Logic paradox, akin to the barber thing: if all logs are rotated, and either a program rotates its own logs or logrotate rotates them, and logrotate rotates only the logs of the programs that do not rotate their own logs, who rotates the logs of logrotate?)
20:45:23 <ais523> I think it would rotate its own logs even though that doesn't quite fit the definition
20:46:43 <fizzie> Hm. /var/lib/logrotate/status has "2015-5-11-6:0:0" for a and "2015-5-11-6:25:5" for b.
20:46:51 <zzo38> How os logrotate working?
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20:47:33 <ais523> fizzie: maybe a just isn't big enough to rotate?
20:47:59 <fizzie> a is substantially bigger than b.
20:48:49 <fizzie> FWIW, the configuration block is "daily; rotate 31; dateext; nocompress; missingok; create 640 <redacted> <redacted>; sharedscripts; postrotate; <redacted>; endscript".
20:49:00 <fizzie> Although maybe there's some relevant global settings.
20:49:34 <fizzie> There seem to be no non-overridden global options.
20:50:47 <fizzie> Wonder why one is 6:0:0 and the other is 6:25:5. I assume they're the timestamps, since b-20150511 has a modification time of 06:25.
20:52:05 <ais523> timestamps that aren't padded to two digits? interesting
20:53:15 <fizzie> I submitted a change the other day that fixed one instance of (a debugging tool) saving to filenames with non-padded timestamps.
20:53:32 <fizzie> Made them sort all wrong in file listings.
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20:55:41 <fizzie> logrotate's debug mode should have a flag that makes it pretend the current time is something else, so I could test if it will rotate those logs tomorrow.
20:56:00 <ais523> <bad idea>you could use web of lies?</bad idea>
20:57:15 <fizzie> Sounds a bit too much.
20:58:10 <ais523> besides, I think weboflies currently hardcodes the time as 1 September 1993
21:05:06 <fizzie> I edited the status file to pretend a was last rotated "2015-5-10-6:0:0", and now logrotate -d says it would rotate it.
21:05:58 <fizzie> Meh. Maybe it was some sort of a fluke.
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21:14:16 <zzo38> Do you have any information about how to write Startracker AM/NT files?
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21:40:18 <lambdabot> fizzie asked 13h 9m 58s ago: How about people who call it "the pedia"?
21:40:18 <lambdabot> quintopia asked 12h 57m 58s ago: how about "the great wiki"?
21:40:18 <lambdabot> mroman asked 12h 40m 51s ago: How about "the w"?
21:42:08 <oerjan> fizzie: they go to the library hth
21:43:18 <oerjan> quintopia: they go to the elemental plane of exaggeration hth
21:43:28 <oerjan> I HOPE THIS CLEARS IT UP
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21:48:37 <oerjan> <mroman> go to what place? <-- THATSTHEJOKE.JPG
21:51:22 <zzo38> Actually I found the libxmp source-codes I can see how they work; FM synth is converted to samples (like in AmigaMML) so isn't stored the parameters in the file, but AM synth does store parameters in the file and is not converted to samples.
21:52:28 <shachaf> just like people drop "pedia" from "wikipedia", you drop "pedia" from "placepedia"
21:54:39 * oerjan sidles carefully away from shachaf's madness
21:55:01 <shachaf> placepedia is presumably the premier source of placenta information
21:55:46 <oerjan> aka the latin word for "cake" hth
21:56:30 <shachaf> i once watched my cat eat her placenta hth
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21:59:39 <oerjan> hoily you might want to skip the immediately previous logs hth
22:14:24 <shachaf> oerjan: hm, now i wonder whether that would be compatible with being vegetarian
22:34:03 <boily> what logs should I be skipping at?
22:36:02 <oerjan> the #esoteric ones hth
22:36:41 <oerjan> specifically the last handful of lines before you entered hth
22:37:54 <oerjan> boily: i think shachaf is implying that you're doomed anyhow
22:38:12 <boily> I read the part, so I could be prepared skipping it.
22:38:13 <shachaf> i'm implying that you aren't being very helpful
22:38:28 <boily> I shouldn't have read it.
22:38:49 <oerjan> shachaf: you appear to have been right hth
22:40:15 <boily> fungot: please soothe my maimed sanity with something sensible.
22:40:15 <fungot> boily: madam president, the commission fully backs parliament' s report. i can only say that the group of independents for a europe which is at the very least, far from it but will be a positive step. i think, all agree that terrorism is an alarming problem that we currently face. to intervene in this regard, without which this budget vote would not have got any broadcasting time and so it nicely complements the european social
22:42:17 <oerjan> fungot: i think you got cut off
22:42:18 <fungot> oerjan: i find it unfortunate that the commission's proposal is on the table today. a full list of the fnord atrocities. then a republican officer took a stand against this nuclear package.
22:43:24 <oerjan> fungot: so we're still doomed, right
22:43:24 <fungot> oerjan: recommendation 1 of the common organisation of the market by the member states.
22:44:08 <oerjan> recommendation 1: doom
22:44:32 <oerjan> it's the most economically balanced policy
22:45:34 * boily wraps himself in a safety blanket. «vous m'aurez pas!»
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22:50:48 <oerjan> don't worry, the apocalypse isn't ready for public consumption yet
22:51:25 <shachaf> boily: can i cheer you up with the information that the kittens were p. cute dth
22:51:42 <oerjan> several powerpoint representations are still unfinished
22:51:57 <ais523> aren't the "apocalypses" early design documents from Perl 6?
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22:56:35 <shachaf> also i never saw them again
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22:57:36 <boily> I really hope they weren't eaten too.
22:58:57 <boily> speaking of eating, I'm hungry.
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23:02:11 <shachaf> no we just gave them to other people
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23:15:11 * pikhq wonders how many people have tried writing code that is simultaneously valid K&R C, C90, C99, and C11, in any time even remotely recent
23:16:18 <ais523> pikhq: are you allowed to use preprocessor macros?
23:16:23 <ais523> if not, I'm not sure it's possible
23:16:37 <ais523> unless "int main()" is a valid declaration in C99, in which case you could just not use functions
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23:17:22 <pikhq> You are allowed to use functions in C99 with valid non-prototype declarations, so long as they can be declared without reference to a type that's defined in a header.
23:17:32 <pikhq> "int putchar();" is thus perfectly valid.
23:17:54 <pikhq> int main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; is also valid.
23:19:54 <pikhq> K&R did also *have* a preprocessor.
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23:20:08 <pikhq> ISO only changed its semantics slightly, but it's still there.
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