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(I don't think this is really a problem though) 02:28:42 Do you like a = 0 notation? 02:29:03 What does that notation mean? 02:29:17 Do you know how to guess? 02:29:32 It is a Dirac notation but do you know the letters? 02:33:31 Maybe a good guess would be that |FSV> represents the current state of all accounts and currency units, and Yes, if FSV means "financial state vector"; it is another kind of accounting equation I think it is more mathematically elegant than the other one? What do *you* think? 02:34:56 I thought it meant Fiscal State Vector. 02:35:09 I don't think so? 02:35:53 I was going by http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2010-06-24.txt 02:37:00 Wiktionary says "fiscal" also means financial but such usage is "proscribed"? 02:37:13 Which means they don't recommend it 02:37:18 zzo38: Are you going to ICFP this year? 02:38:04 ICFP? Where is that? 02:39:28 Vancouver. 02:39:52 O, and when, and what is it doing this year? 02:40:09 If it is Vancouver then, possibly yes 02:40:34 -!- notfowl has quit (Excess Flood). 02:40:46 http://icfpconference.org/icfp2015/ 02:40:51 I don't know, I've never been. 02:41:29 -!- notfowl has joined. 02:43:05 Do you have to go there to read their paper? 02:43:37 No, the papers are all published online, I think. 02:44:57 -!- copumpkin has joined. 02:45:16 Can I buy printouts if I attend there though? 02:45:39 I don't know. 02:49:32 If I am near that hotel then I will check. 02:50:48 Which programs to write music into .XM/.MOD formats can use the kind of user interfaces other than a standard tracker interface, other than AmigaMML? If you know some which is also free software then please notify me I can make a list 02:53:14 -!- copumpkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:57:05 -!- notfowl has quit (Changing host). 02:57:05 -!- notfowl has joined. 02:57:05 -!- notfowl has quit (Changing host). 02:57:05 -!- notfowl has joined. 03:18:51 -!- teakey has joined. 03:37:43 k seriously wine is bullshit 03:38:21 "a hint of apple" -- it tastes like grapes and alcoholl, dumbass 03:52:19 -!- teakey has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 03:55:10 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 03:58:41 Also how can they grow grapes in germany isn't it cold? 04:07:13 "barely" hth 04:10:16 Maybe the ocean currents keep them nice and warm in the winter 04:11:44 \me googles map of europe, and sees germany is around the same latitude as england 04:12:27 england was cold as balls 04:12:45 although that might be because it was always raining 04:14:21 the grapes are generally grown in summer not winter hth 04:14:30 It did not stop raining the entire 2 weeks I as in england, in the summer 04:15:12 strangely enough, i've read there are wine producers in england 04:16:29 greenhouses? 04:17:10 They apparently do wine production in freaking Canada, too. 04:17:13 doubtful 04:17:24 nice map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wine-producing_regions 04:23:36 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:24:17 -!- Patashu has joined. 04:25:42 -!- teakey has joined. 04:29:41 -!- Decim has joined. 04:29:52 God damn 04:29:58 GOD DAMN 04:30:32 Damning God, sir! 04:31:07 @bf +++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++<<<<<<-]+++++++++++++++>>>>----.>>++++++.<++++++++++.<<<<++.>>>>.---.>--.+. 04:31:07 God damn 04:31:09 Yes 04:31:17 Also 04:31:26 I broke my laptop screen uwu 04:32:00 Or my cat sat on it ;-; 04:34:57 I haven't had a working screen on my laptop for a week or so 04:35:31 Do you have an external monitor you can use 04:43:08 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 04:47:32 -!- CADD has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:57:08 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:57:36 -!- notfowl has quit (Excess Flood). 04:58:28 -!- notfowl has joined. 04:59:09 * Decim searches closet 05:08:05 -!- teakey has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:14:59 -!- teakey has joined. 05:15:45 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 05:16:04 -!- Decim has quit (Quit: Onii-chan you're the best especially when you touch my breast). 05:20:00 -!- teakey has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:41:03 -!- teakey has joined. 05:46:56 -!- teakey has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:49:21 -!- teakey has joined. 05:57:09 -!- notfowl has quit (Excess Flood). 05:58:28 -!- notfowl has joined. 06:07:29 -!- teakey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:27:52 -!- zadock has joined. 06:30:31 -!- nortti has changed nick to agent_orange. 06:30:37 -!- agent_orange has changed nick to nortti. 06:31:04 -!- impomatic_ has joined. 06:32:38 -!- mitchs_ has quit (Quit: mitchs_). 06:43:25 -!- mitchs has joined. 06:52:30 -!- notfowl has quit (Excess Flood). 06:53:58 -!- notfowl has joined. 07:03:52 -!- teakey has joined. 07:20:18 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:26:18 -!- teakey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 07:34:49 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:30:20 @ask oerjan How about people who call it "the pedia"? 08:30:20 Consider it noted. 08:38:53 who calls what the pedia? 08:39:31 i'm guessing wikipedia, though pediatrician is also reasonable 08:39:55 I was thinking about a pediatric clinic 08:39:59 as "the pedia" 08:40:16 "My child is sick. Let's go to the pedia!" 08:40:21 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:40:30 That was re people who call wikipedia "wiki" go to place after they die hth 08:40:39 fungot, when your child is sick, do you take them to the pedia? 08:40:40 b_jonas: c++ might be good to give them some thought 08:40:51 go to what place? 08:41:08 That was left deliberately unspecified, I think. 08:41:19 asgard 08:41:22 It thinks if your child is sick just give it some C++ 08:42:20 @ask oerjan how about "the great wiki"? 08:42:20 Consider it noted. 08:52:50 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:59:08 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:59:27 @ask oerjan How about "the w"? 08:59:28 Consider it noted. 09:03:45 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 09:39:50 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:46:00 why do ebooks have ISBN 09:51:08 pp 10:17:33 -!- zadock has joined. 10:17:36 mroman: probably for practical reasons like lookup 10:18:14 -!- teakey has joined. 10:18:14 titles of books are not unique identification 10:22:11 E-Books aren't real books . 10:26:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:35:12 -!- boily has joined. 10:42:15 mroman: libraries can lend ebooks, and the isbn gives an easy way to compare that two books really are the exact same edition 10:55:09 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:00:05 -!- teakey_ has joined. 11:01:10 -!- teakey has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:02:33 -!- teakey_ has changed nick to teakey. 11:13:28 Ebooks should use DOI 11:17:34 no way 11:17:37 DOI is stupid 11:21:51 no way 11:21:53 DOI is cool 11:22:01 fungot: isn't DOI cool? 11:22:01 mroman: i think the website describe it 11:29:18 If ISDN is short for "I Still Don't Need it" (or "I Smell Dollars Now"), what's ISBN short for? 11:30:15 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ANÆROBIC CHICKEN). 11:34:28 -!- teakey_ has joined. 11:35:16 -!- Froox has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:35:29 I still believe nothing? 11:35:37 `? ISDN 11:35:38 ISDN? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:35:43 `? ISBN 11:35:44 ISBN? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:35:59 fungot: Are you on an ISDN connection? 11:36:00 mroman: good luck with that, it's really sexy :) i just glanced at it. 11:36:29 I'm not sure that's the word I'd use. 11:36:44 -!- teakey has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:36:48 fizzie: sexy? 11:37:15 Right. 11:39:42 -!- teakey_ has changed nick to teakey. 11:56:52 Bad fizzie, must have pilloried fungot behind V90 dial-up. 11:56:53 Jafet: take four squares and connect them at the shell 12:01:48 -!- SopaXT has joined. 12:25:10 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Quit: http://corewar.co.uk). 12:29:03 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:54:56 Jafet: No, no: K56flex. 12:56:06 fungot: What shell? 12:56:06 mroman: invalid character:'. try again! maybe with fnord hmm? it won't be too hard 13:03:24 Push the shell... Climb the shell... 13:03:50 ^style ct 13:03:50 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 13:03:58 fungot: Say something about shells. 13:03:58 fizzie: we are looking, but well behaved! crono!! crono!!! 13:04:03 fungot: What! 13:04:04 fizzie: need a clone? the magician, nolstein bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! 13:07:27 fungot: I could use a clone. 13:07:27 mroman: by thy leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono! are you leaving! 13:07:43 ct isn't a neat style for conversations :( 13:07:51 ^style 13:07:51 Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 13:08:07 ^style lovecraft 13:08:07 Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) 13:08:10 fungot: hi 13:08:11 mroman: for in time, and space, and kuranes awaked in his london garret. there in the cellar laboratory and gazed at the cyclopean ruins that fnord over mars' ruddy disc. when the crowd was gone i saw the alert, manned by a queer and evil-looking crew of fnord and fnord, fnord 13:08:14 ^style ct 13:08:14 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 13:10:04 ^style youtube 13:10:04 Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) 13:10:09 fungot: hi 13:10:09 mroman: i love it! too short of a job in a paralell flight with 130 passengers on board. 13:10:31 How did you gather youtube comments? 13:13:48 I didn't. 13:14:11 Someone submitted me a file that had manually scraped (I believe copy-paste and then some formatting) comments of like three videos. 13:14:59 One of them is about a flight crash or a missing flight or something, so lot of it is about planes. 13:15:07 fungot: Is there a conspiracy about the flight? 13:15:08 fizzie: are you now know some have information that could deem your position as, well, in alsace/ france. 13:15:18 fungot: That sounds vaguely ominous. 13:15:18 fizzie: looks like it has taken me 15 seconds'? are describing yourself now? 13:15:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:16:35 ^style irc 13:16:36 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 13:16:54 A more dynamic and engaging fungot personality. 13:16:54 Jafet: ( newline) foo) with a frobozz argument, too: you might want to slow down the 13:18:05 Yes, very dynamic and engaging. 13:18:24 Personally, I think europarl is one of the "best-working" ones, FSVO. 13:18:29 ^style europarl 13:18:29 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 13:18:43 fungot: So what about the UK 2015 election results? 13:18:44 fizzie: madam president, commissioner, firstly i would like to reiterate the two statements of the different legal systems, in accordance with the voting list. you, who criticize tobacco: first of all to congratulate the rapporteur at the very least difficult, as we have done with the laissez-faire attitude which characterised the environmentalism of the 1970s, made a commitment to human rights. 13:19:07 fungot: So... not so good, then? 13:19:08 fizzie: the action plan for ukraine, and indeed exclusively, to italy, i was present in the incineration of hazardous waste, in accordance with articles 61 and 63 of the intervention of the structural funds and the cohesion fund, the world' s poorest countries have the right to provide information, which where it is lacking, but also of the immigrants present in considerable numbers in our countries targeted against the symbols 13:19:44 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 13:24:04 `quote sword 13:24:05 1057) I would like to learn how to use a sword And also how to ride a unicycle Perhaps not at the same time 13:26:24 although riding an unicycle with a sword sounds more impressing 13:26:38 especially if you plan on hosting unicycle sword combat tournaments. 13:27:08 @ask Taneb How's that unicycling going? 13:27:08 Consider it noted. 13:27:20 "Every seat I have is as sharp as a razor, so you always play to roll." To quote a random sentence from a bike blog. 13:30:09 `quote bike 13:30:10 833) Bike: Your client colours people? it would be pretty boring to see everyone as white, i get that enough in real life \ 836) "damn, my port of ghc to php isn't properly taking javascript booleans into account" \ 856) i bet a blog post complaining about ");});});" syntax in JavaScript and comparing it unfavorably t 13:30:16 `quote unicycle 13:30:17 1057) I would like to learn how to use a sword And also how to ride a unicycle Perhaps not at the same time \ 1187) learn you a unicycle for great good 13:30:39 `quote blog 13:30:39 856) i bet a blog post complaining about ");});});" syntax in JavaScript and comparing it unfavorably to Lisp would get approximately one billion comments on hacker news but at what cost? your very soul, kmc! 13:31:25 "JavaScript as bad as LISP" 13:32:31 github wont let me search for ))) and );});}); 13:33:37 and https://searchcode.com/?q=%29%3B}%29%3B}%29%3B gives me 500 13:35:16 -!- aretecode has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:38:18 -!- aretecode has joined. 13:52:40 -!- ZombieAlive has joined. 14:10:01 -!- ZombieAlive has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:12:02 -!- notfowl has quit (Excess Flood). 14:12:57 -!- notfowl has joined. 14:15:49 -!- hjulle has joined. 14:17:47 -!- GeekDude has joined. 14:31:46 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 14:35:49 fungot: fungot: fungot: fungot: fungot: 14:35:50 mroman: mr president, like other speakers, i would cite, for example, as regards its model of development, on the appalling abuses perpetrated by the talibans in the name of the fight against terrorism. despite this raft of proposals, when the political will to provide information regularly, here and there. at the same time, try to achieve something. at the moment. 14:37:14 ^style irc 14:37:14 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 14:37:21 fungot: Do you want to play unreal tournament? 14:37:22 mroman: have i mentioned i compiled scheme48 at the moment too.)) 14:37:31 Scheme from 1948? 14:38:08 why's it called Scheme48 when Scheme did not exist before 1975? 14:39:02 oh wait. that's an implementation of scheme 14:47:18 What's type F in CLI? 14:47:43 what? 1948? no way 15:11:40 -!- ZombieAlive has joined. 15:15:37 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 15:37:12 `olist 984 15:37:18 olist 984: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti 15:39:17 mroman: "It is called "Scheme 48" because the first version was written in 48 hours in August 1986.[7]" 15:40:33 that's like calling it scheme crap 15:41:20 -!- teakey has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:46:55 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:50:26 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:51:06 Any accountant is going to see = 0 and is going to say.........What???????????I am fused!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15:57:57 Can you win the Ig Nobel prize for proving that it is impossible to use complex numbers in accounting? 15:58:25 No, that just shows lack of imagination. 15:59:14 Are you sure? 16:01:14 -!- hilquias` has joined. 16:01:24 No, of course not. 16:02:28 You'd think that accountants don't have any use for imaginary numbers but then how would any frauds ever happen? 16:03:06 By impossible, I mean impossible to use and to comply with GAAP at the same time. 16:03:24 -!- hilquias has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:03:45 So I don't consider frauds and other kind of illegal stuff like that as valid 16:05:42 ^style eu 16:05:42 Not found. 16:05:46 ^style euparl 16:05:47 Not found. 16:05:53 ^style europarl 16:05:53 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 16:06:21 fungot, how come you don't have a guy yelling in German at the top ofhis lungs every tenth word 16:06:22 orin: with regard to the current situation of each of the member state in which they are proposing to cooperate with countries at war or that arm themselves for war, for exploitation and for that reason, i believe that we should resume negotiations at a technical level. my fourth point has to do with whether you use e and all possible relevant data collected by the european union 16:06:51 must be a consolidated and translated corpus 16:17:26 They deleted the German words since it interferes with the algorithm, I suppose. 16:19:22 hehe 16:19:44 orin: I think the german yelling is translated to English too 16:21:02 -!- GeekDude has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:25:42 -!- llue has joined. 16:25:42 -!- llue has quit (Changing host). 16:25:42 -!- llue has joined. 16:28:47 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:28:59 -!- SopaXT has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:37:02 -!- hilquias` has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:38:04 -!- Somelauw has joined. 16:40:09 ^style 16:40:09 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 16:41:34 !bf32 >+[[>>+>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<+>[<->[>++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]++++++++[<++++++>-]>[<<+>>-]>[<<+>>-]<<]>]<[->>++++++++[<++++++>-]]<[.[-]<]++++++++++.[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[-<<+>>]<<<[->>>+<<<]>[-<+>]>[-<+>]>[-<+>]<[-<+>]<] 16:41:34 1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 121 \ 98 \ 219 \ 61 \ 24 \ 85 \ 109 \ 194 \ 47 \ 241 \ 32 \ 17 \ 49 \ 66 \ 115 \ 181 \ 40 \ 221 \ 5 \ 226 \ 231 \ 201 \ 176 \ 121 \ 41 \ 162 \ 203 \ 109 \ 56 \ 165 \ 221 \ 130 \ 95 \ 225 \ 64 \ 33 \ 97 \ 130 \ 227 \ 101 \ 72 \ 173 \ 245 \ 162 \ 151 \ 57 \ 208 \ 9 \ 217 \ 226 \ 187 \ 157 \ 88 \ 245 \ 77 \ 66 \ 143 \ 209 \ 96 \ 49 \ 145 \ 194 \ 83 \ 21 \ 104 16:41:40 How is that 32bit? 16:42:00 32 bit means it can count to 4294967296 16:46:18 also the mercurial repository of EgoBot seems to be done 16:46:27 down* 16:53:07 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: .). 17:21:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:25:01 Are these enough instruments making .XM musics? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml/wiki/Instruments 17:55:00 My favorite recursive acronym is RASARAWF. 17:55:18 Recursive Acronyms Such As "RASARAWF" Are Well-Founded. 18:01:33 -!- bb010g has joined. 18:04:44 then why did it could only up to 255 18:07:24 -!- Tritonio has changed nick to Your. 18:07:41 -!- Your has changed nick to Tritonio. 18:19:37 scoofy: that's my question. 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Do you know now though? 19:46:57 Well, I looked it up in Wikipedia and it says they are known since 20th century and "The most widely accepted explanation is that the discolouration is caused by alpha particles emitted by the nuclei"; apparently still not known perfectly though, possibly not even due to polonium or any radioactivity.........? 20:37:15 Hm. Wonder why a logrotate config of "/foo/a /foo/b { ... }" rotated only the logfile b, even though both exist in the directory /foo, and the permissions etc. are the same. 20:38:06 maybe a parse error? 20:40:44 As far as I can tell from the man page, it should be valid. 20:40:49 I wonder if logrotate logs somewhere. 20:44:55 (Logic paradox, akin to the barber thing: if all logs are rotated, and either a program rotates its own logs or logrotate rotates them, and logrotate rotates only the logs of the programs that do not rotate their own logs, who rotates the logs of logrotate?) 20:45:23 I think it would rotate its own logs even though that doesn't quite fit the definition 20:46:43 Hm. /var/lib/logrotate/status has "2015-5-11-6:0:0" for a and "2015-5-11-6:25:5" for b. 20:46:51 How os logrotate working? 20:46:59 -!- zadock has joined. 20:47:18 s/os/is/ 20:47:33 fizzie: maybe a just isn't big enough to rotate? 20:47:59 a is substantially bigger than b. 20:48:49 FWIW, the configuration block is "daily; rotate 31; dateext; nocompress; missingok; create 640 ; sharedscripts; postrotate; ; endscript". 20:49:00 Although maybe there's some relevant global settings. 20:49:34 There seem to be no non-overridden global options. 20:50:47 Wonder why one is 6:0:0 and the other is 6:25:5. I assume they're the timestamps, since b-20150511 has a modification time of 06:25. 20:52:05 timestamps that aren't padded to two digits? interesting 20:53:15 I submitted a change the other day that fixed one instance of (a debugging tool) saving to filenames with non-padded timestamps. 20:53:32 Made them sort all wrong in file listings. 20:55:39 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:55:41 logrotate's debug mode should have a flag that makes it pretend the current time is something else, so I could test if it will rotate those logs tomorrow. 20:56:00 you could use web of lies? 20:57:15 Sounds a bit too much. 20:58:10 besides, I think weboflies currently hardcodes the time as 1 September 1993 21:05:06 I edited the status file to pretend a was last rotated "2015-5-10-6:0:0", and now logrotate -d says it would rotate it. 21:05:58 Meh. Maybe it was some sort of a fluke. 21:06:32 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:13:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:14:02 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:14:16 Do you have any information about how to write Startracker AM/NT files? 21:23:04 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:38:40 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:39:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:40:17 @messages- 21:40:18 fizzie asked 13h 9m 58s ago: How about people who call it "the pedia"? 21:40:18 quintopia asked 12h 57m 58s ago: how about "the great wiki"? 21:40:18 mroman asked 12h 40m 51s ago: How about "the w"? 21:42:08 fizzie: they go to the library hth 21:42:40 mroman: they go t 21:43:18 quintopia: they go to the elemental plane of exaggeration hth 21:43:28 I HOPE THIS CLEARS IT UP 21:47:13 -!- hjulle has joined. 21:48:37 go to what place? <-- THATSTHEJOKE.JPG 21:51:22 Actually I found the libxmp source-codes I can see how they work; FM synth is converted to samples (like in AmigaMML) so isn't stored the parameters in the file, but AM synth does store parameters in the file and is not converted to samples. 21:52:12 oerjan: oh, i get it 21:52:28 just like people drop "pedia" from "wikipedia", you drop "pedia" from "placepedia" 21:54:39 * oerjan sidles carefully away from shachaf's madness 21:55:01 placepedia is presumably the premier source of placenta information 21:55:46 aka the latin word for "cake" hth 21:56:30 i once watched my cat eat her placenta hth 21:56:53 O KAY 21:58:13 -!- boily has joined. 21:58:43 g'dafternoily 21:59:39 hoily you might want to skip the immediately previous logs hth 22:14:24 oerjan: hm, now i wonder whether that would be compatible with being vegetarian 22:33:48 shellochaf. 22:33:55 rehellœrjan. 22:34:03 what logs should I be skipping at? 22:36:02 the #esoteric ones hth 22:36:41 specifically the last handful of lines before you entered hth 22:37:01 oerjan: tdnsh hth 22:37:54 boily: i think shachaf is implying that you're doomed anyhow 22:38:12 I read the part, so I could be prepared skipping it. 22:38:13 i'm implying that you aren't being very helpful 22:38:28 I shouldn't have read it. 22:38:30 urgh. 22:38:49 shachaf: you appear to have been right hth 22:40:15 fungot: please soothe my maimed sanity with something sensible. 22:40:15 boily: madam president, the commission fully backs parliament' s report. i can only say that the group of independents for a europe which is at the very least, far from it but will be a positive step. i think, all agree that terrorism is an alarming problem that we currently face. to intervene in this regard, without which this budget vote would not have got any broadcasting time and so it nicely complements the european social 22:42:17 fungot: i think you got cut off 22:42:18 oerjan: i find it unfortunate that the commission's proposal is on the table today. a full list of the fnord atrocities. then a republican officer took a stand against this nuclear package. 22:43:24 fungot: so we're still doomed, right 22:43:24 oerjan: recommendation 1 of the common organisation of the market by the member states. 22:44:08 recommendation 1: doom 22:44:32 it's the most economically balanced policy 22:45:10 ... 22:45:34 * boily wraps himself in a safety blanket. «vous m'aurez pas!» 22:47:25 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 22:50:48 don't worry, the apocalypse isn't ready for public consumption yet 22:51:25 boily: can i cheer you up with the information that the kittens were p. cute dth 22:51:42 several powerpoint representations are still unfinished 22:51:57 aren't the "apocalypses" early design documents from Perl 6? 22:53:24 -!- MoALTz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:54:13 -!- MoALTz has joined. 22:54:47 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 22:55:29 shachaf: tdsh. 22:56:35 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:56:35 also i never saw them again 22:57:09 -!- Tritonio_ has changed nick to Tritonio. 22:57:25 tdNh. 22:57:36 I really hope they weren't eaten too. 22:58:57 speaking of eating, I'm hungry. 22:59:09 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TARTAR CHICKEN). 22:59:38 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:02:11 no we just gave them to other people 23:06:54 -!- Somelauw has left ("WeeChat 0.4.2"). 23:08:01 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 23:08:18 -!- hjulle has joined. 23:11:39 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 23:13:19 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:13:31 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 23:15:11 * pikhq wonders how many people have tried writing code that is simultaneously valid K&R C, C90, C99, and C11, in any time even remotely recent 23:16:18 pikhq: are you allowed to use preprocessor macros? 23:16:23 if not, I'm not sure it's possible 23:16:37 unless "int main()" is a valid declaration in C99, in which case you could just not use functions 23:16:44 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 23:17:22 You are allowed to use functions in C99 with valid non-prototype declarations, so long as they can be declared without reference to a type that's defined in a header. 23:17:32 "int putchar();" is thus perfectly valid. 23:17:54 int main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; is also valid. 23:19:54 K&R did also *have* a preprocessor. 23:20:00 -!- llue has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 23:20:08 ISO only changed its semantics slightly, but it's still there. 23:23:02 -!- ais523 has quit. 23:23:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:25:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:26:49 -!- lleu has joined. 23:28:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.