< 1432425785 172844 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that Sgeo knows em.
< 1432425811 670264 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to be nicer
< 1432425821 657964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was being a bit silly
< 1432425832 679268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked here because I treat this place as a social area a lot < 1432425855 725120 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ask in #ubuntu? < 1432425888 494635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, no response. Though it was more about asking if ecryptfs questions were acceptable there, than it was an actual question < 1432425894 328972 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1432425945 630099 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesnt know what ecryotfs is.
< 1432425960 809235 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1432425963 21415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the encrypted filesystem that Ubuntu uses when you encrypt your home < 1432425989 35177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synology also seems to have some support, not sure if it's really sufficient < 1432425991 935247 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/jGJX8A6D < 1432426061 669772 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see the language i am making? < 1432426206 644476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i shall put forward the theory that ecryptfs questions are acceptable, but that #ubuntu has a strict "don't ask to ask" policy, and you're now stonewalled forever. hth. < 1432426208 453102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw the impl but didn't read though it closely < 1432426638 734376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have confirmed my theory by noting that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines links to http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html hth < 1432426839 142675 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That faq is a bit aggressive < 1432426842 847827 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1432426867 865212 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask "anyone/someone knows" questions ... the obvious aim of the question is to find someone to be your bitch. < 1432426882 362209 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, projecting much < 1432426950 926220 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, they may be channelling the living soul of Linus Torvalds < 1432426997 114596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they may have decades of experience that people do _exactly_ that hth < 1432428187 656746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Melvar wonders how one would base a neural net on beer … <-- now i'm imagining fungot as yeast-based... < 1432428187 842859 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: iii) e is still the electee to the agreement to be changed as explicitly described in the < 1432428254 663875 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a unix command that inverts the od command? < 1432428318 641969 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more specifically od -x? < 1432428363 833757 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1432428418 414797 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1432428421 15420 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently I can use the "xxd" command < 1432428995 780392 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1432429267 930545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432429420 744059 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try piping through tac? < 1432429427 285099 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, misread < 1432429443 932570 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work < 1432429543 391081 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this code mean anything to you? !A000G100[01_P100G100]01_Q000@ < 1432429585 460392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, but, maybe we can learn. < 1432429614 545321 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A000 G100 [01_ P100 G100 ]01_ Q000 < 1432429635 493311 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assign 0x00 to a[0] < 1432429660 509153 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get char from terminal and assign it to a[1] < 1432429688 623295 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a[0] != a[1] { < 1432429706 693547 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print char in a[1] < 1432429710 388863 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get char from terminal and assign it to a[1] < 1432429740 476542 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :} wend unless a[0] != a[1] < 1432429747 541852 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit < 1432429767 440753 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to notate the loop < 1432429831 206470 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this seem worth pursuing? < 1432429956 126764 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not < 1432429978 365047 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1432430008 876290 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1432430011 304184 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i called it mindfuck (as it is based around the code of a brainfuck interpreter), but that name is probably already taken < 1432430045 810573 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the wiki? http://esolang.org < 1432430049 298693 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1432430087 41338 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not taken < 1432430087 332755 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/dZR0uVKC < 1432430110 667366 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not using that name, though < 1432430143 870226 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i want to deprive someone of it < 1432430169 752546 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is it a good name for this? < 1432430275 205123 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourfuck ? (as it uses four-character commands) < 1432430276 274003 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a nomenclatur...ologist? is that a word? well I'm not one, anyway. < 1432430307 507271 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. don't be afraid of creative orthography. it's good for you, event if naysayers may deny it. < 1432430316 411428 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at oerjan subtly
< 1432430334 879690 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellyka. are you Lymia in disguise? < 1432430379 343449 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that at me? < 1432430438 681807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. sorry for portmanthelloing you without warning. < 1432430439 589604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION subtles boily back
< 1432430454 414405 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1432430466 597246 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm SchrodingersCat in disguise < 1432430471 103788 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah? < 1432430471 610453 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being a nomenclaturologist makes be unqualificationed to decide whether those are words < 1432430491 158088 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourfuck it is < 1432430507 437342 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: then I need to ask you the The Question: what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh? < 1432430518 601935 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, hellørjan! how's the weekend?) < 1432430532 486720 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hh? < 1432430536 656957 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*huh < 1432430560 887089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tired with traces of neck pain < 1432430630 81231 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: it's a standard question. the information given is of vital importance. (you can creatively reply, as is the custom of this channel.) < 1432430634 343661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: meh :/ < 1432430698 413817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other question we can ask too though such as, how many bibles you have stolen (use Roman numerals)? < 1432430712 517782 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1432430721 943458 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm pretty sure I just answered truthfully < 1432430727 661166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* 10New user account < 1432430808 9530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes. it is also common. people here seem to be split in two groups. < 1432430823 734319 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there a Roman zero? < 1432430828 648051 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :central new york, 100 < 1432430852 330559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know! < 1432430854 759061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Lyka < 1432430855 688066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Lyka. Thyka. < 1432430864 292371 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in kg < 1432430881 456942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not expect you can write zero with Roman numerals. (They might have other words for it but I don't think those are Roman numerals) < 1432430882 471868 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe N for "Nullius"" < 1432430928 591661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: weird, I don't have your infos... < 1432430956 376209 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lesidhetree pretty much everywhere i am not something different < 1432430978 828291 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchodingersCat is my ic account < 1432430979 14596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: filing you as Lyka. less letter to type. < 1432430986 382746 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1432431000 146331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6559769,-79.4141707 155 pounds < 1432431005 862293 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying who the lesidhetree that just signed up was < 1432431007 958720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hating ecryptfs more and more < 1432431018 520330 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :** 43.6559769,-79.4141707 155 pounds < 1432431035 237507 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :155 pounds? < 1432431039 723378 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1432431055 875740 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 kg is not 155 lbs... < 1432431067 221482 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was 155 lbs < 1432431075 332141 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 230 lbs < 1432431090 940033 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully soon to be less < 1432431096 904602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, there is even more other Question too, such as, do you like mathematics? < 1432431101 573576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i think nullius is genitive case, probably not the right one here < 1432431118 730508 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :nulla < 1432431119 653299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question that would be appropriate for #ubuntu but the question itself is inappropriate < 1432431120 178621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also do you like Dungeons&Dragons game and All The Tropes wiki? < 1432431141 625928 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvtropes? < 1432431144 124875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you want te answer you might as well ask anyways; here if not there. < 1432431145 684997 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wiki^H^H^H^H WP, About 725, Bede or one of his colleagues used the letter N, the initial of nulla, in a table of epacts, all written in Roman numerals.[32] < 1432431157 559872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: No, All The Tropes is a forked version of TV Tropes < 1432431168 925175 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, maths are quite nice. < 1432431176 567932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork? < 1432431178 518958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: O, OK, thanks, now we can know! < 1432431181 441493 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be good at maths < 1432431181 627507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Were the ecryptfs implementors drunk and/or high? < 1432431190 960719 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i got drugged < 1432431210 382418 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prescription) < 1432431210 775382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes. I don't like the tvtropes and neither does Damian Yerrick and neither does the people who made All The Tropes that is why it is fork. I work on the All The Tropes instead of the TV Tropes, please. < 1432431250 81481 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: quite possibly. it's an open source project, so they don't have corporate drug testing < 1432431255 261936 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432431286 327558 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use bitocker on linux < 1432431287 521615 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but, but... who's Damian Yerrick? why is tvtropes bad? < 1432431290 711238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can work from home, so they can drink since they don't need to drive < 1432431295 407015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/scupeuev4zobaguy17ue6q < 1432431309 568898 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1432431324 509760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ** 43.6559769,-79.4141707 155 pounds <-- i was wondering what you were doing near galapagos < 1432431326 228768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooooowww..... < 1432431346 452964 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo that is pretty screwy < 1432431372 504759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -la on the NAS in .purple's parent directory doesn't show it, but at least I can get into .purple itself < 1432431385 937861 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :read that as NSA < 1432431457 961190 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. time to disappear. < 1432431462 355924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NOODLY CHICKEN < 1432431527 196435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: One thing is the license they change it < 1432431540 193440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't important here who Damian Yerrick is. < 1432431677 615358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork? <-- there's a good argument that tvtropes has totally messed up a licensing change and is basically in massive copyright violation for everything before the change. also they deleted a lot of stuff for PC reasons. thus, forks. although i still visit tvtropes myself. < 1432431708 694845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't; I prefer All The Tropes, which however seem don't quite work right now. < 1432431717 569377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork? <-- there's a good argument that tvtropes has totally messed up a licensing change and is basically in massive copyright violation for everything before the change. also they deleted a lot of stuff for PC reasons. thus, forks. although i still visit tvtropes myself. < 1432431717 755558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1432431720 200731 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1432431730 860161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody abrupt out-chickener < 1432431731 82384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways, my All The Tropes is: http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/User:Zzo38 < 1432431812 549746 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to read TVtropes in highschool, but in university I cut out a lot of internet things that were taking up my time and that was one < 1432431824 8244 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn...gotta take meds < 1432431865 920930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it is fixed, then you can access it even to see the level20.tex that I made up; I also made up the RDF of the tropes of level20.tex but maybe it is a bit mistake because some of them it says is straight and I am not quite sure if it is straight or not. < 1432431894 541341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RDF of the tropes is still available though: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.trope < 1432432037 299649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did write a program that can parse this file, but several other programs are also available.) < 1432432117 910230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when I stopped using TVtropes they had suddenly renamed amny tropes whose names were in Japanese) < 1432432187 739632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; I don't know. < 1432432218 912516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh right renamings too < 1432432264 689026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell me if you think it is straight, sideways, etc, or if there is other tropes to add in there; I will add it to the RDF even if I cannot add it to the wiki yet. < 1432432861 405504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the wiki software used with TV Tropes isn't as good; MediaWiki is better. And, All The Tropes doesn't need to have advertising and other stuff get in the way. < 1432433169 822892 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432433187 220751 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1432433267 289423 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1432433744 385496 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the newest version of scrip7, I'm adding the abily to mmap files into the data space < 1432433849 410392 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this outputs the alphabet: !A001G100G200[12[P100+011]12[Q000@AZ < 1432433901 972196 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this too confusing? < 1432433926 145520 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* i understan how that works < 1432433943 444792 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1432433983 535047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12[ is while a[1] < a[2], correct? < 1432433985 250676 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1432434005 783971 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/weU2zgTu < 1432434028 173365 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1432434030 522353 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12[ is while a[1] <= a[2] < 1432434037 122850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1432434047 204368 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12< is while a[1] < a[2] < 1432434160 842829 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i am supposed to be able to run a simple game (guess a number?) in this code on a device with 2K of ram < 1432434210 332879 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm planning on having a sdcard reader attached for something that big < 1432434538 815415 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a serial conneection to an arduino-based gam controller < 1432434705 206601 :hilquias`!~user@187.113.114.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432434796 118342 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1432436298 60575 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :found weird coding in an area i haven't tested yet < 1432436545 921315 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBlKRzNf74 < 1432436579 764819 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432436591 51631 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have triggered a recursive loop had i not fixed it < 1432436598 14281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of interpretation of quantum is OK? There is many different kind, but I prefer, constraint interpretation and I don't like the other one much. However I believe that it must be figure out the proper way to combine quantum physics with general relativity (or else to figure out if something is already wrong with it and should be adjusted), too. < 1432436626 162544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Penrose also prefer another different kind of interpretation, and so do other people prefer different kind. < 1432436728 103879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion? Do you don't like constraint interpretation or you do like or whta else? < 1432436840 948560 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/PrH4E6ta < 1432437046 574927 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the ensemble interpretation... It is the most empirical < 1432437097 348826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to look up what that one means; I forgot. < 1432437208 370727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I looked it up. < 1432437359 36306 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it means that since our experiments that observe quantum effects are done by preparing many very similar systems, separated by space or time, we can't empirically say that quantum mechanical effects apply to single systems. < 1432437504 920416 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432437712 306939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the interpretation i prefer has been invented yet. < 1432437747 970365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo only interpretations that avoid putting hilbert space and complex numbers in a priori need apply < 1432437790 369812 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1432437846 441202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be emergent, like classical probability is emergent. < 1432437879 743777 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/t0NNvGwm < 1432437887 436551 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it for the night < 1432437925 579324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i haven't read enough interpretations to be absolutely _sure_ it hasn't been invented, but on the other hand i think if it had, it would have a great enough following that i would have heard about it.) < 1432438014 320160 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :please let me know if you think what i am making it a stupid wast of tie < 1432438020 299249 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1432438082 32156 :hilquias`!~user@187.113.114.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1432438121 808747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if that's a concern you shouldn't be doing esolangs :P < 1432438125 102837 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a continuous cellular automaton with lie symmetry where the cells are folded projections of superstrings. Each cell stores an integer between -128 and 127... < 1432438231 422475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I invented the constraint interpretation < 1432438331 481041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I don't quite like the other one. < 1432438517 855524 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: !A074A179P000P100Q000@ < 1432438602 934984 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it !A074P000A079P000Q000@ ? < 1432438608 910120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universe are made out of mathematics, and some mathematics are multiple solution and/or no solution in some circumstances, but still must be constraint by physical systems. It is the part of working of "constraint interpretation" < 1432438673 763224 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was trying to say "ty" < 1432438721 867315 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the person who said we re all star-stuff? < 1432438734 545292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1432438740 829629 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was that Delenn?) < 1432438836 328424 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who does not know who Delenn is needs to watch more Babylon 5. < 1432438901 908866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remembered it < 1432438942 982303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched some babylon 5 back in 1996 when i was spending that half-year in the us < 1432439044 27197 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs the nightly backup before he or she falls asleep
< 1432439055 494681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was guessing sagan but apparently it goes back further http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/06/22/starstuff/ < 1432439086 135396 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guessed sagan too
< 1432439107 72536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Perl < 1432439116 912879 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION figures that JMS (the guy who made B5) was quoting Sagan
< 1432439128 680413 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is an esolang? < 1432439147 28806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, but they do have stuff to mention there < 1432439150 200340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: no but people seemed to like my poetry interpretation < 1432439202 278831 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl poetry can be esolang i assume < 1432439222 269048 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way that obfuscated c is < 1432439263 887250 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a work of art: ":(){:|:;};:"? < 1432439291 753401 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do not type it into a sh prompt) < 1432439315 233248 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriosly, don't. it will crash your pc) < 1432439339 512836 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and don't type it into someone else's either) < 1432439408 379403 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought it was pretty < 1432439433 355753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go to bed. Allow me to quote one last piece of output from the neural net (consisting of two lines): < 1432439444 980612 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:35:40: `quote directive repo < 1432439445 166802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:17: ​04structures: 09Welcome 02to 06the 04international 09hub 06for 08esoteric 06programming 08language 02design 09and 08deployment! 08For 08more 09information, 06check 02out 09our 09wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 09kind 13of 04mord 04int 09information, 06check 13out 09our 02wiki: 08. 06(For 02the 06other 07kind 09of < 1432439445 166894 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :06esoterica, 08try 06# 5* (+1) 10 < 1432439490 311721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh almost a loop < 1432439496 722366 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, HackEgo, you sure did a good job of running the command "`quote directive repo". < 1432439508 494805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote directive repo < 1432439509 153857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1432439523 460090 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I ran it, it printed out this: < 1432439523 646309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that quote must have been deleted hth < 1432439538 275449 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 5 -> ############################################################################################################################## < 1432439556 510166 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote directive repo < 1432439557 99856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1432439560 235678 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the output from there on consisted of pound signs, except that there was one single underscore in the middle somewhere. < 1432439561 701802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote repo < 1432439562 393382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :323) You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice. \ 448) Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 743) 99 bugs in the bug tracker, 99 reports of bugs. Take one down and commit a fix, 106 bugs in the bug tracker. \ 855) Is there a debian package for making lousy debian forks < 1432440137 750269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fork < 1432440138 395717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1025) Is there a debian package for making lousy debian forks < 1432440209 536803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "pound sign" <- I don't call # that. I call it the hash sign or pronounce it "hashtag" for troll purposes < 1432440244 941979 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pound < 1432440245 605506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1432440263 895570 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sign < 1432440264 577130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor < 1432440364 107947 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1432440677 154267 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1432441018 606856 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1432441042 604155 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a printout of the program < 1432441159 368762 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all < 1432441162 425982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote 83 | sed 's/.{40}//' < 1432441163 121314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor < 1432441170 394212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to figure out the music of a record by the visual inspection of the grooves only, not by the label and so on? < 1432441171 199815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1432441178 59385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote 83 | sed 's/.\{40\}//' < 1432441180 150313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor laws. < 1432441220 785156 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away < 1432441274 459810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +2 < 1432441275 245539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :186) clue is a language for beauty, not usefulness or ability to run at all ability to run at all is not even close to a design goal, no \ 250) oerjan: are you in an aware state when the only hammer you have is for variable assignation and blocks \ 332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit < 1432441300 678212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +4 < 1432441301 475942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. \ 647) Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can. \ 683) [...] and then you just < 1432441336 152056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +6 < 1432441336 837158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :683) [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice. \ 687) has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people \ 751) I vastly prefer "a blind idiot god". pikhq: to what? To the idea of someone actually intenti < 1432441353 845927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +8 < 1432441354 543723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :751) I vastly prefer "a blind idiot god". pikhq: to what? To the idea of someone actually intentionally designing a mouse. \ 779) But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever \ 816) < 1432442033 824013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere, some physicists were trying to invent the device to communicate with ghosts but instead they invented quantum information theories? There are many instances where some people tried to invent one thing and instead invented a different thing (I think I have a book listing some of them), but this seem a bit strange way. Nevertheless it is still probably possible that someone can try such a strange thing and invent something el < 1432442482 112228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone can really invent the device to communicate with ghosts; if it is possible at all, it seems that a device is not needed. The other possibility is there is no ghost, or else that it is really something else also that is unknown. < 1432442542 49121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a television show once, one child was claim to see and talk to a ghost but nobody else can see it; three different people had three different opinion what it is. The last one though, is a scientifically testable hypothesis because it is involving infrared and this can be tested to see if it is wrong or not. < 1432442577 755330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you must also consider, can people change their color of vision by age and using what ways? Surely such a thing would have been studied? < 1432442853 409953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people discuss paralell universes (probably unrelated to the above though, but who knows for sure?). One question to figure out is, can a wavefunction including multiple universes? < 1432443372 422296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this would also have to do with geometry and numbers of dimensions. Are there additional small timelike dimensions, or only spacelike? < 1432443781 100020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that the laws of physics *must* be made out of mathematics, no matter how strange they might be. < 1432445292 258907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know one person who doesn't wear a watch because when she did it would go too fast, and she other electrical problems like too. I have read this before in books but did not know how true such things can be until seeing it. < 1432445526 654591 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432445527 1556 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432445547 825037 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432445579 517340 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a wristwatch that displays one's biological clock < 1432445606 292147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do such wristwatches exist though? < 1432445654 148532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she buy it in a shop that wasn't there the previous day or the next? < 1432445673 358419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was an ordinary watch, and the same thing happened to other watches. < 1432445679 513470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1432445725 622092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe one was bought in a shop that wasn't there the previous day or the next, but this is highly unlikely and even if true this information would have been lost.) < 1432445744 229950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now imagines a parallel earth which is identical in most respect but with a slightly shorter day length, and occasionally watches slip through
< 1432445782 263681 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you see, oerjan, this is where leap seconds come from. < 1432445798 782139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ooh < 1432445844 307129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, people there keep wondering why they get extra socks in their laundry < 1432445940 409221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if parallel universes exist, but these ideas you mention seem unlikely. Still it is possible to might explain something, but probably not those things. < 1432446125 783888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of someone who said she had a dream where she could know on what day someone died far away actually in a few hours after the dream (I trust what she says). I did have many explanations in mind but after hearing the full story concluded that none of them worked, except for the possibility of misremembering due to confusion of dreaming, which still seems a bit unlikely here but might possibly still work. < 1432446459 841166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once observed, while standing in the room opposite the washroom, an object sitting on the toilet (the part you don't open/close; it had been there a few days already) suddenly slipped off and fell onto the floor, making noise. There was no window open, no fans on, and nobody in that room. Possibly it is due to turbulence or microorganisms or spiders or something...I don't know. < 1432446615 447958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some might say it is similar to poltergeists, but to me there is several problems with that: [1] It only happened once. [2] It doesn't explain much if you don't even know what is poltergeists. [3] I am more inclined to consider other more ordinary possibilities first before strange things like that. [4] I am not even so sure there are any poltergeists. < 1432446731 170523 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's a cat. < 1432446746 401621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no cat in there. If there was though, it would certainly explain it. < 1432446828 724819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know that spider can make some web and possibly something can cause such attach thing to move a bit; and in unlikely circumstances might cause what is said there. I of course don't know how well such thing would actually work though; it is just some kind of guess. < 1432446981 447427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own opinion is that these things I reported must be published so that people can argue about it and can complain about it. < 1432447016 227285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My comments about it is part of the argument about it, too.) < 1432447132 983459 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was a low rumble of some sort that justled it just right? < 1432447145 109949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, something like earthquakes maybe < 1432447152 240015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the other possibility. < 1432447192 965894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think earthquakes tend to move more things usually, but still that does seem a reasonable possibility. < 1432447253 988088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1432447257 196289 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1432447306 893793 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cisten lids are kind of odd, all bumpy and slippery. < 1432447319 724635 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to tell when something's going to slide on them. < 1432447347 387303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not think so at first because nothing else like that happened at the time and nothing else like that was reported. It also didn't happen before or after that time, even though the object was sitting there for a few days. < 1432447375 375237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes it does seem more likely for an object to slide just because of the kind of surface it is; I did consider that too actually. < 1432447443 483819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On most other surfaces in the house, objects placed there for a few days are less likely to slide. < 1432447487 874775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe also the water inside of the toilet...I know sometimes when the water is turn on in kitchen sink and bathroom sink and so on, sometimes it is a bit erratic. < 1432447581 547884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sitting there just fine for a few days; nobody used the toilet recently but the door was open and from a room across the hall I could observe that. Therefore, I do not know if it is best explanation but at least, any of these thing may be possible. < 1432447665 301694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know of small earthquakes making a few objects slide off of a shelf, and have observed this; but this is when the earthquake was reported. However, maybe such earthquake is just too small to have any effect on ordinary surfaces. < 1432447746 20071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, therefore was not detected either. < 1432447864 432714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, you must have the way to detect by the devices designed for this purpose. Yet, we could not detect it even with such devices in the same house (but they may have been too far away from the toilet room??? or the device was defective??) < 1432447947 268561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It dose still seem probably the most likely to me though, despite this. < 1432448049 900792 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1432448105 45785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, I have never observed it at all at any other times (an object on the toilet slipping like that, I mean!), even indirectly (such as door closed), even with the fan on, window open, etc. But maybe it is too unlikely; I don't know how to calculate such probabilities of such things. < 1432448156 918830 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432448196 142518 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :CADD < 1432448473 29009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read a report about a man named Home was levitating, and that trustworthy people reported and scientists of the time found no fraud; an illustration is provided. However, it look to me from the illustration that he was holding some hooks on the ceiling which are difficult to see, but, that doesn't explain how to get up there at first anyways. (Of course, just because they found no fraud at the time doesn't necessarily mean there isn't any, bu < 1432448588 927121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor does it mean the story is or is not entirely fictional, of course.) < 1432448774 377001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1432448786 470435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1432449635 831912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1432449982 672609 :nsh!~lol@wikipedia/nsh PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1432450249 995977 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1432450731 171513 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432450811 96981 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1432453831 624289 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432454848 128435 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka < 1432454957 815193 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughes himself awake
< 1432455659 408009 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1432456170 853017 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432456217 138451 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1432456793 199568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: extra socks => http://qntm.org/socks < 1432456839 268585 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1432458181 70331 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1432458750 559948 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom from the neural net: < 1432458753 675243 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:09: if a class program file. well, that's cheating until we see that they'd be called esolangs < 1432458876 373699 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the neural net has a generic "a bot was invoked" neuron. < 1432458905 65940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In these logs, someone did a !bfjoust command, to which lambdabot responded "Consider it noted." < 1432458979 827133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1432459259 899436 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the longest syntactically correct sentence I've seen the net generate yet: < 1432459271 961344 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I'm using it up to "there are many commands" as a similar language, the other one is all the experience of the contents.' < 1432459290 403427 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, the comma should be a semicolon, but using a comma there is the sort of thing a human would do. < 1432459319 73674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: right, it doesn't have to generate correct sentences, but sentences we use on the channel < 1432459791 339209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo should be easy hth < 1432459874 121769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does frequently produce messages ending with "hth". < 1432459907 440956 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I think the syntax seems to be getting better, but it's getting better really slowly. < 1432460080 970790 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1432460444 69488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1432460534 299383 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if a size 300 state vector is large enough for the net to get syntax correct *and* also do everything else it's trying to do at the same time. < 1432460650 960113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably not. I guess English syntax is pretty complicated. < 1432460668 45102 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also probabilistic. Lots and lots of things are "marginally correct". < 1432461653 806939 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/ycwECkwx < 1432461742 773676 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://pastebin.com/TKYPGQXi < 1432461837 496325 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also this: http://pastebin.com/ebdQS25X < 1432461860 849484 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :those three are fourfuck pre-alpha v0001d < 1432461959 389480 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting? < 1432462124 87638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you have to say about ycwECkwx? < 1432462124 273712 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if a judgement other than the nth-highest bid ( at the start of < 1432462281 399027 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fungot? < 1432462281 622700 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: private land. < 1432462379 468549 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1432462402 25593 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hi < 1432462422 25452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there. < 1432462500 228381 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the thing i pasted make any sense to you yet? < 1432462547 362636 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, lemme take a look here. < 1432462659 600605 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1432462674 631378 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: it looks like there's no way to access a computed tape location. < 1432462713 624587 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain so i know what to add < 1432462797 645889 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there doesn't seem to be any way of accessing, say, tape[cache[(1)]]. < 1432462804 461155 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but can you not load it into cache and access it there? < 1432462828 719606 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1432462854 370646 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a work in progress < 1432462864 258785 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1432462897 90917 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have enough ters left < 1432462905 81517 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*letters < 1432462948 32389 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say this looks a lot like machine code. < 1432463035 95204 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does < 1432463227 31531 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!A00DY000Z000Q000@Hello, World! < 1432463257 201712 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inclde the carraige return in the code) < 1432463292 546429 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1432463865 1902 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1432464375 253377 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432464380 361451 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1432464389 80638 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anybody out there < 1432464398 240883 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1432464409 142658 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1432464426 884806 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is about sprituality etc? < 1432464434 238830 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1432464440 144888 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1432464454 304132 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages < 1432464465 312922 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1432464468 287218 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1432464501 415914 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1432464531 170511 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i've never heard of an esoteric language < 1432464533 729392 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling atm < 1432464602 4982 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool < 1432464632 27434 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH ArnoldC < 1432464641 314486 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn < 1432464734 736296 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really some of this is pretty cool < 1432464757 538566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1432464758 294977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1432464772 173392 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first time using irc going to play around a bit more < 1432464775 753721 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1432464779 91449 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1432465456 181226 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1432465630 449029 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know < 1432465640 6965 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1432465648 403918 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1432465660 775457 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1432465731 960575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43035&oldid=42636 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+60) 10/* Game */ A programming language in which programs are court trials. < 1432466836 430361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objection-oriented programming < 1432466849 626663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1432467447 997264 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432467448 222528 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432467454 991739 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1432467606 965853 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1432467614 918694 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1432467643 112554 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1432467738 217366 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1432467990 53546 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1432468099 939499 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: good one < 1432468579 1328 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1432468591 490659 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could not have put it better myself < 1432468664 780025 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1432468669 266063 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PART :#esoteric < 1432468675 644845 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432468836 441029 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1432468846 455527 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a specification for an objection-oriented language. < 1432469514 265095 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind someone else can do it < 1432469800 212468 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wright language for all language lawyers. < 1432470014 460515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrought with peril < 1432470048 624802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and puns) < 1432470219 901919 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432470244 616695 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1432470502 773423 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"language lawyers" lol < 1432470508 185809 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1432470521 652508 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a more... (edge)worthy language < 1432471049 399776 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1432471408 690671 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lktlzfjxnqxfvoqz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1432471486 389199 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awkwa-- objectionable silence* < 1432471597 645978 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1432471607 772170 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1432471615 171146 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432471714 141735 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1432471743 795843 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop this objectionable silence < 1432471755 690066 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1432471779 176771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1432471862 523176 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by nah? < 1432471865 688345 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otmffkhuwmyzxwfr JOIN :#esoteric < 1432471905 323609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like stopping this objectionable silence < 1432472164 372345 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1432472268 200565 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to your belief that the chatroom is still silent. < 1432472282 220122 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm talking duh < 1432472288 277277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1432472461 477071 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1432472765 747390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you certain? I can't HEAR you! < 1432473057 350345 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we're not in PW vs PL are we? < 1432473099 430313 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otmffkhuwmyzxwfr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1432473227 197104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: well if we are then I don't know where we are. < 1432473276 199244 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1432473415 344848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pure logic, the same kind of logic that allows Granny Weatherwax to say "elephant" without thinking of one. < 1432473463 41690 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust the defendant, she might be thinking of one < 1432473912 931104 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-scsbbkkndpgcsmzn JOIN :#esoteric < 1432474046 314930 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/LNEhb8t0 < 1432474064 571020 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the command list < 1432474172 422762 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase letters are arguments < 1432474195 971890 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :underscores are wildcards < 1432474248 802553 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i just fixed a typo < 1432474374 657370 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does this mae sense? < 1432474398 11924 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, make enough sense < 1432474710 316575 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. < 1432474757 223755 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could put it on the wiki, although it doesn't have a page rating system so it's hard to point out examples of well documanted lanaguages < 1432474782 344287 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ready yet < 1432474798 804933 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need to add a few things < 1432474822 864923 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just taking a break o breathe < 1432474833 686750 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a lot of stuff to scrip7 a few weeks or months after I put it on the wiki. < 1432474866 50544 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not complete, i mean < 1432474873 191657 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1432474881 501574 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in a few days < 1432475049 957427 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-scsbbkkndpgcsmzn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1432475069 501882 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to make sure the curent command name format looked okay < 1432475211 194402 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1432475438 396727 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1432475921 45364 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1432476118 31901 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1432476166 173607 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rplgnlyiheyqdkvo JOIN :#esoteric < 1432476217 559173 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-227.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1432476248 270295 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1432476256 120070 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-227.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1432476256 305336 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1432476300 712411 :mig22!~miguelort@bb220-255-158-196.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1432476349 340889 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1432476457 538156 :mig22!~miguelort@bb220-255-158-196.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Client Quit < 1432476478 708777 :mig22!~miguelort@bb220-255-158-196.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1432476491 652826 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1432478069 596004 :mig22!~miguelort@bb220-255-158-196.singnet.com.sg PART :#esoteric < 1432479763 566010 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1432479809 122312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, is homestuck actually... updating? < 1432480098 670982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32865248 :( < 1432480103 83557 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1432480116 452509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1432480119 157325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean... < 1432480125 783894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll actually END soon < 1432480145 587184 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1432480157 473151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll last at least into July < 1432480401 517642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to care but i just really can't < 1432480430 476265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to see the homestuck i got into end, but it turned into something else entirely < 1432481445 544244 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is coughing stuff up
< 1432481447 563387 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :allergies < 1432481452 125362 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just started using nasacort, but had another ill-timed coughing fit right after, requiring a blowing of the nose... < 1432481541 607309 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432481943 547208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stackstack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43036&oldid=42098 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (-2) 10edit the other reference to the interpreter page ._. < 1432481951 480918 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1432482432 98939 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/LNEhb8t0 http://pastebin.com/pEfdTYz0 < 1432482537 254132 :intra_!88a90834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.136.169.8.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432482714 50951 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: if it is something like pollen in the air, try wearing a medical mask < 1432482739 248676 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :coughing into a mask? < 1432482763 581542 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no to keep the pollen out of your air < 1432482788 245646 :intra_!88a90834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.136.169.8.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432482798 598084 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it at my grandparents' because they have dogs < 1432483007 778628 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on the apap's nose-mask and prepares to rest
< 1432483065 679116 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have sleep apnea < 1432483128 749325 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i put a placeholder on the wiki? < 1432483270 144631 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i should probably make a page for th language, but what do i link it to? < 1432484103 60370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43037 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+412) 10First version of page. (I have never edited a wiki before, so this page needs a lot of work...) < 1432484193 527884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43038&oldid=43033 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+15) 10/* F */ Added Fourfuck to the list < 1432484293 219364 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha does the (+412) and (+15) mean on thouse two lines from HackEgo about my edits? < 1432484332 738962 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, character count < 1432484533 602408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43039&oldid=43037 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+5) 10Request for help with formatting added. < 1432485866 842368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432486112 214523 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !A048SOB0A049SOB0@ < 1432486124 640224 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hi < 1432486195 859930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: that's an interesting typo < 1432486214 18348 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/LNEhb8t0 http://pastebin.com/pEfdTYz0 < 1432486257 90730 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fourfuck, it ould have outputted: HI < 1432486387 679041 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourfuc is ready enough to be on the wiki but not ready enough to have any more than a near-blan page < 1432486392 763485 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432486595 934417 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432486604 807059 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432488194 990318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43040&oldid=43027 5* 03Ais523 5* (+162) 10/* Why the reserved characters? */ correction < 1432488216 691670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's doing the wiki announcements? < 1432488303 47908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been for a while < 1432488461 242449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems so weird, given that HackEgo's normal job is very different from that (in particular, it involves a sandbox) < 1432488515 386228 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hackego's server is the same computer as the wiki's iirc < 1432488848 753064 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1432488957 5323 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1432489102 102741 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1432489434 804248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1432490008 202948 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rplgnlyiheyqdkvo QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1432490159 350352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's because of lazy. In particular, there was a really easy way to make HackEgo (technically, multibot) say something, and they're on the same box. There's a socat|stuff|socat shell-oneliner to receive the UDP from the wiki and write it to HackEgo. < 1432490172 764879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1432490186 449080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this UDP? < 1432490204 329381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess each update fits in one packet so most of the UDP failure modes won't matter < 1432490213 639478 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1432490223 362112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what MediaWiki uses. Well, that and something more complicated. < 1432490223 547544 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rryoxvvcdxcludzo JOIN :#esoteric < 1432490305 144900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds supports UDP and Redis Pub/Sub as engines. < 1432490317 826960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this thing you mentioned about underload, implementing the flip from the other primitives, is a nice puzzle. at first I thought it was impossible (despite that there's an implementation) and I had an explanation for why it's impossible: < 1432490350 224566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggles
< 1432490457 998766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drop, dup, list, apply operators only read the topmost element of the stack, so the first time you read the original second topmost element, it has to happen with the concat operator. when you apply the concat operator, the original second topmost element has to be parenthisized, otherwise you can't recover it later. < 1432490553 358088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1432490590 140176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to parenthisize that value, you have to use the list operator, which needs it on the top of the stack. you can't flip anything below the second topmost element, because you're not allowed to use the flip operator. thus, you have nowhere to store the orignal topmost element of the stack when you list the second topmost element. < 1432490599 605873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the error: apply can read more elements than the topmost one as a side effect < 1432490600 510079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out this argument doesn't work. < 1432490617 370408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store the topmost element in the execution stack < 1432490622 992647 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rryoxvvcdxcludzo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432490631 470617 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eobiwnjpavuzufop JOIN :#esoteric < 1432490671 578901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can list the topmost element twice, then flip the topmost element with a _constant_, then concat and do other transforms, then apply, < 1432490710 40438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get something on the execution stack that contains the original first element twice, < 1432490723 83379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: flipping with constants is indeed the essential step on the way to solving the whole problem < 1432490750 858446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and drops it the first time so it can access and list the original second element. < 1432490773 728402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't give a complete solution, but at least shows that you can't prove impossibility this way. < 1432490784 836710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should perhaps try to synthetize a full solution some day. < 1432490852 848562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is still very counterintuitive to me. < 1432490880 258425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there are proofs that it can do anything, but it doesn't look like it can. < 1432490892 883474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a crazy language. < 1432490908 435065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a useful Underload construction is (some commands here)~a*^ < 1432490930 104459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that basically stores the top stack element in the execution stack while you do something else < 1432490979 573151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1432491028 222496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's really just upvalues, but this whole concept of storing a pointer to arbitrary runtime data on the execution stack seems alien. < 1432491170 832327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: next: fueue hth < 1432491240 769201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace stack with queue, and watch sequencing get really annoying, but still possible < 1432491417 988610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm HackEgo is back < 1432491426 576695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/welcome < 1432491434 548272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1432491465 547479 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1432491477 840125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rev wisdom/welcome < 1432491478 496688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​).ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF( .>/gro.sgnalose//:ptth< :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW < 1432491518 680921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/on irc.*/on EFnet or DALnet.)/' wisdom/welcome < 1432491520 715146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1432491525 861808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1432491527 489625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1432491812 458824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i didn't know the origin of the name EFnet was this hilarious < 1432492209 949146 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1432492328 319967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emoclew < 1432492331 185716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(.tenLAD ro tenFE no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF) .>/gro.sgnalose//:ptth< :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW < 1432492385 132003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it known how much it limits underload if you're not allowed to grow the data stack over 100 elements? 3 elements? 2 elements? < 1432492494 106467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 100 elements would still give you the full power. < 1432492521 479377 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1432492562 399685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine much less would be enough < 1432492625 442609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can encode a stack as nested programs < 1432492671 325515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-3 might get awkward :P < 1432492811 276420 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1432492882 61788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ -> ^^, : -> :a~^~!a* < 1432492994 609271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X) -> a(X)* < 1432493000 740953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's enough for TC < 1432493017 571615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1432493034 286673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(X) -> a((X))* < 1432493104 340214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a feeling that the minimum required stack size is either 2 or 3 < 1432493116 325670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1, : doesn't work, and thus obviously it's sub-TC < 1432493134 865665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well : is the sticky one there < 1432493164 663654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of representing a stack as a list of cons cells < 1432493169 222036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes up to 3 < 1432493176 320301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um that's what i did above < 1432493190 97610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get :()^ with 3 elements afaict < 1432493194 478486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, it's the obvious way to do things < 1432493239 723425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :! -> ^! < 1432493410 455926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I don't want just TC, I want efficiency, as in, O(n log n) interpretation time of a pointer machine (with immutable cells) program that runs in O(n) time provided the data types and register count is constant. < 1432493414 378637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ -> ^~^(a~a*a)~a*^a* or thereabouts < 1432493439 939991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-counter machine with exponential slowdown just doesn't cut it for me, and I'd like to avoid even quadratic slowdown < 1432493458 737795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's no exponential slowdown, i think this is linear in fact < 1432493476 387619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, the exponential slowdown is when you can only interpret :^() < 1432493477 167347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on what computational order the various Underload commands have, doesn't it? < 1432493479 544462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1432493495 528086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i just added ~, gives you a TM < 1432493520 342739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1432493526 498035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be using 4 cells < 1432493599 29414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you can implement underload in such a way that you take only amortized constant time for each operation, but I'm not completely sure. I'll have to think about the details. < 1432493600 222183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be that * will give some slowdown, if the encoding isn't efficient. < 1432493607 632485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an interpreter for that. < 1432493633 673897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wrote an interpreter derlo which worked a bit like that; however there are some combinations that I don't think work < 1432493653 554875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like :(foo)~*, I'm not convinced that can be impled in amortized constant time < 1432493663 899971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it can be, it'll require crazy GC abilities < 1432493681 747113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should implement parenthisized lists as the kind of trees like data Tree = Empty | NonEmpty NonemptyTree; data NonemptyTree = Singleton Value | Concat NonemptyTree NonemptyTree; < 1432493689 279831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right * and ~* requires you to be able to construct efficient deques < 1432493706 84290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can interpret concatenation in constant time, though the problem is, you also have to decons trees efficiently, so it might not be enough < 1432493722 42293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the worst case, you could use a finger tree representation, for that also gives you efficient decons < 1432493737 220513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that has constant time concatenation? < 1432493745 249261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... tru < 1432493751 866661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll have to think more about this < 1432493771 264861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the gc is a problem, the gc can be done as amortized constant time (it may have to be a bit real world slow for that, but still) < 1432493835 95876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think just those plain trees would work. < 1432493867 10294 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432493881 501807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd then represent the data stack as a plain list, and the code stack as a list of trees, with the assumption that they're actually flattened on the code stack. < 1432493909 774737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, the code stack as a list of nonempty-trees < 1432493916 137315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you avoid pushing empty trees on it < 1432493931 939401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you execute a singleton tree by executing the operation in it, < 1432493949 193481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and execute a Concat by replacing it on the stack with its two children. < 1432493954 991941 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slides for my computability and complexity course say "Theorem (There need not exist a fastest TM): There is a decidable language L such that for every TM M accepting L, there is a TM M' such that L(M') = L(M) and the time complexity of M' is in O(log(time complexity of M)) < 1432493957 394999 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1432493968 54758 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this, can anyone explain? < 1432493968 493000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's still amortized time constant provided that the memory use doesn't grow unbounded, because you run fewer of the latter ops than the former. < 1432493987 440214 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's from Sudkamp's Languages and Machines < 1432493991 378849 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I don't have access to < 1432494023 39518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if the code stack grows infinitely, you might still be screwed. < 1432494047 733956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait, this might not work. < 1432494065 413998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have a quadratic slowdown. Damn. < 1432494075 413327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not? < 1432494079 936212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it might work. < 1432494084 320079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I'll think about it later. < 1432494106 480903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about leaving the thinking to y'all
< 1432494113 461624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1432494148 165170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that sounds strange. < 1432494174 121490 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I'm asking about it < 1432494291 422080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that sort-of implies that for any TM accepting the language, you can find an infinite number of TMs accepting it, each logarithmically faster than the one before < 1432494306 115428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn implies to me that there are complexity classes so high that you can logarithm them repeatedly without making any difference < 1432494321 852851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this last statement doesn't seem impossible to me, given how asymptotic performance works < 1432494378 623153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1432494388 352351 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: here is how it is written in the slides: http://i.imgur.com/azjEQBD.png < 1432494426 44477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be a language that is very slow to compute, such as perhaps not even primitive recursive < 1432494546 996406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it has to be something which has absolutely terrible performance < 1432494579 228265 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems impossible to me... I don't get how it could work < 1432494599 870361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a tetration has performance bad enough to stand up to any finite number of logarithms < 1432494613 505863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x tetrate n = x^(x tetrate (n-1))) < 1432494644 769838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even aware Nash was still alive < 1432494661 378621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't solve the problem by itself but makes it very plausible that such a thing could exist < 1432494746 298240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think he got the Abel prize this year... < 1432494786 732477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it torns out you can lower a computer's idle temperatrue by 40 degrees with nothing more than a can of air < 1432494809 115725 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decompressing air is cold < 1432494821 195424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, running the computer in vacuum is a very bad idea, because the computer uses air cooling < 1432494822 262219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean even after you stop using it < 1432494832 860679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :always run your computer in an atmosphere < 1432494846 96749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the air isn't just for your use, it's for the computer too < 1432494861 500784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, having an atmosphere mostly of dust is a bad idea < 1432494874 225054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, vacuum often < 1432494880 989958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum clean < 1432494884 478283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't leave the vacuum there < 1432494947 324851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case anyone wasn't aware: Was, past tense. He died in a car crash < 1432495099 110233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eep. i just got to that part of the logs. < 1432495134 549762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that puppy linux displays your battery in milli ampere hours < 1432495151 235806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't see him mentioned in the logs, unless the codu logs are bad
< 1432495182 939662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Taneb linked to the news without naming him < 1432495192 471119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen him mentioned on other channels < 1432495211 109642 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to put something in the topic < 1432495214 363792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ubuntu's extended battery details shows the battery charge in watt hours, also the voltage < 1432495218 618321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1432495221 7426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we could calculate it from there < 1432495223 928577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oren: < 1432495283 313123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a beautiful mind is one of the very few movies i've decided by my own to watch in the cinema < 1432495309 951582 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it a good film? I haven't seen it < 1432495345 623252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a decade or so ago and i'm not really sure < 1432495368 887831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read afterward it took some liberties describing his disease < 1432495387 255468 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I went to the cinema was... Friday < 1432495389 671958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he didn't really see things visually) < 1432495478 850314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice. I think Despicable Me 2 is the only such film for me. < 1432495510 608064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash has reached his final equilibrium | The chanteau | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1432495567 970989 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I quite like going to the cinema) < 1432495627 154370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please change the topic again if you think that was bad taste < 1432495706 731160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I think that's fine. < 1432495729 413624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be a very good joke, but it's definitely not in bad taste. < 1432496575 171076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh today'd darths & droids is a round number < 1432496583 979111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y'all should know what this means) < 1432496586 491034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1432496932 467913 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1432496950 393741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure < 1432497061 504745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•David Attenborough is known (barely) for doing voiceovers for poorly selling computer games, but gains widespread fame after his appearance in the first Futurama movie." OKAY < 1432497071 597655 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1432497183 207961 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eobiwnjpavuzufop QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432497211 711096 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away < 1432497267 796942 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432497319 390639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I noticed the logs you complain about people who try to use AmigaMML where public domain is not acceptable and that they will not accept CC0, Unlicense, WTFPL. I am not really sure it is possible; WTFPL allows you to do whatever you want and that includes if you don't want to accept the license therefore you have accepted it anyways and are in compliance with the license anyways. If you change the text of WTFPL without changing its name too tha < 1432497422 825160 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1432497452 557115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your line got cut off after "its name too tha" < 1432497500 279585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you change the text of WTFPL without changing its name too that is a violation, but only of the licence of the licence, not of the licence of the software. < 1432497708 344213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, a self-referential license... < 1432497781 936339 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432497833 94668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The conditions for the license itself are longer than the license proper. So useless...) < 1432498044 164125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In any case, a license is a legal agreement; it takes two parties to make it effective. So of course one can reject the WTFPL, CC0, and Unlicense terms with regard to your software. < 1432498058 8956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus I might end up in a situation where I cannot legally use it. < 1432498252 853588 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ukttsvxnyyjziwqj JOIN :#esoteric < 1432498515 901338 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1432498707 665922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But then if you use it anyways aren't you implicitly trying to agree somehow? < 1432498902 921295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be hard to build a case against me. ;) < 1432499013 336228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways I am not going to sue you for it; I can't, because I put it in public domain. < 1432499127 366548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whether this works. It doesn't around here. < 1432499225 612738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effectively possible anyway; the only person who could possibly sue for copyright infringement is you. < 1432499399 950674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can you sue yourself if you have split personality? < 1432499408 497349 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ukttsvxnyyjziwqj QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1432499444 154758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :puh. < 1432499570 418013 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yxfrswfidqpunqvk JOIN :#esoteric < 1432499577 393231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1432499606 569827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might depend on the country of course. < 1432499617 374247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely to succeed in the USA than in Europe. < 1432500552 426490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people argue about what kind of FOSS licenses to use. For simplicity, I can suggest that if it is just a project you do by yourself and isn't a business project or whatever, a simple permissive license (or public domain) will do OK. However, if you are making free software to be sold/supported/etc by a business (this includes hardware sales), I would suggest GPL3 which provides a lot of the protections you would need. < 1432500585 605208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I assume you aren't making a software library to be included in other products. If you are, you can still use GPL3 and provide an alternative commercial license, I suppose.) < 1432500603 322295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are companies that do this, in fact.) < 1432500635 243647 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I don't like about GPL3 is the clause that lets people update from that to whatever other license the FSF passes in the future. < 1432500672 298476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think that depends whether or not the software says it is allowed or not. As far as I know, you could even allow it only by proxy. < 1432500681 630404 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: you do not have to include that < 1432500689 926987 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1432500700 330463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For business protection you may want to use the "proxy" decision. < 1432500712 438436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: no, I think that optional < 1432500721 140888 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be good, then. < 1432500722 190304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if true or not though) < 1432500755 156925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one prefer non-copyleft licenses < 1432500777 905905 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AGPL I'm not really interested in, just because I don't know how agressively someone could force audits on people they suspect run AGPL code on their servers. < 1432500805 727174 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds like it could turn kind of witch hunty. < 1432500816 193754 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1432500844 646826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too tend to use non-copyleft for my own software these days (specifically, public domain), for simplicity. I have no problem to contribute to or use ones that are GPL though. < 1432501303 590984 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yxfrswfidqpunqvk QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1432501471 880964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: googled a bit; for Germany, you'll have a hard time finding anything to sue yourself over; for example, you cannot enter into legal agreements with yourself. < 1432501500 997720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, can you sue yourself if you have split personality? < 1432501538 780875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not, the legal system has contingencies for when the mentally ill get involved < 1432501542 698015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law is unsympathetic to that notion, they're all the same natural person. < 1432501568 864603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you put two MIDI signals (one in each direction) and power in one direction with RJ-45 connectors? < 1432501615 640986 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a corporation and order it to sue you, maybe? < 1432501621 66073 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1432501632 5320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: sure. < 1432501679 134472 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh that oughta work < 1432501708 433123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot incorporate all by yourself. < 1432501726 877303 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1432501729 348656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still talking about Germany, obviously this depends on the jurisdiction a lot) < 1432501749 680824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can make a corporation at all in the uk < 1432501760 507363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a list of people suing themselves somewhere, let me find it < 1432501772 226422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're only made by appointment from the queen or something < 1432501797 575569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://www.loweringthebar.net/autolitigation/ < 1432501804 49762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjat about a john doe suit where the actual perpetrator was you? < 1432501849 698195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't sue yourself in criminal law, the state (district attorney, whatever) is suing. < 1432501871 949480 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dhydjhhcejzisfys JOIN :#esoteric < 1432501997 278250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it's criminal law, there's no suing going on at all, just prosecution < 1432502293 678068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's a vocabulary failure on my part < 1432502413 669708 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1432502737 549806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it legal for Sony to sue themself for putting malware in audio CDs? < 1432502756 653944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which won't even play on their own CD players!) < 1432502762 488304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice < 1432502831 46000 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dhydjhhcejzisfys QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1432502886 293224 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ommckedtieycnqti JOIN :#esoteric < 1432502916 7567 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop has a port on it with symbol IOIOI < 1432502938 965390 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of male connector < 1432502952 667644 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that be for < 1432502965 688587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :input/output/input/output/input < 1432502967 731357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: serial port I believe < 1432502975 532348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, rs232 < 1432503007 534109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that female? hmm < 1432503043 90978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, a laptop with a male connector on it? < 1432503045 535632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? < 1432503047 905888 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what it is < 1432503060 357030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just kind of sticking out of the main body of the laptop < 1432503071 533651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port < 1432503077 587869 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like that < 1432503090 306956 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in a recess < 1432503188 68753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neural net has successfully produced a pretty long message that's arguably structurally correct: < 1432503189 749530 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:06: I found a reasonable collatz file of the string, but it's a link to the point of const void and get an array, but I don't really know why it'd be a bit surprised if the problem is a command-line, but it's pretty much less you and the sum of the fact it's a limited length. < 1432503239 85826 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ommckedtieycnqti QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432503277 46213 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432503314 588077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural net: it's called "pointer to const void", not "point of const void" < 1432503322 204998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe pikhq wouldn't know that? < 1432503506 254514 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you see, there's... a bad thing happening, and there are a bunch of solutions that they're trying, each one more desperate than the last. < 1432503520 209196 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute last resort solution is to use const void. < 1432503539 27064 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is talking about what will happen when they finally get to the point of const void. < 1432503544 175361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Nash has reached his final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1432503552 308435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1432503571 913338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not even sound like something I would say though. :) < 1432503610 87762 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Nash has completely decayed into electrons, protons and photons? < 1432503613 256926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter. As you can see, I really liked the "collatz file" :) < 1432503619 616866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1432503657 877576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do MIDI in ways like I mentioned? How fast can it be in such case? < 1432503700 219299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, there's neutrinos too < 1432503727 661565 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. Electron antineutrinos. < 1432503791 473090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash has reached his final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1432503828 360249 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lvwaaffnkrefsvfl JOIN :#esoteric < 1432503837 785558 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, do muon neutrinos and tau neutrinos decay? < 1432503878 905527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thanks, I forgot to add /topic somehow. < 1432503914 943298 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think they don't. < 1432504022 178939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they oscillate between three delicious flavours < 1432504161 109070 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about the second and third generation quarks, what happens to those? < 1432504248 338651 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like they just decay. < 1432504291 18326 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So John Nash would have completely decayed into electrons, protons, electron antineutrinos, maybe muon and tau (anti)neutrinos, and maybe some other stuff. < 1432504341 703275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that there are atoms that are pretty stable, right? There's huge balls of iron made of them. < 1432504367 677783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd decay into electron antineutrinos which would immediately start oscillating into an even mix of all 3 kinds < 1432504371 234290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hmm < 1432504443 487433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're quite old too. < 1432504446 322719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure iron actually would decay, yeah < 1432504522 2750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it wouldn't < 1432504633 311648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people are so picky < 1432504685 489348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hard time restating that equilibrium as something that's both technically correct and didn't apply equally much before ... oh wait < 1432504708 34356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash's beautiful mind has reached its final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1432504714 745717 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the neutrons in iron don't decay? < 1432504763 50098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1432504771 42984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd be moving to a higher energy state by doing so < 1432504788 992345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big question is whether protons decay at any time scale < 1432504827 719238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let me find that wikipedia page again < 1432504951 535192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, in fact if a neutron in iron-56 turned into a proton it'd just decay straight back into a neutron < 1432505018 833682 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1432505082 488617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe#Future_without_proton_decay < 1432505092 854959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some weird stuff < 1432505195 994407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, remaining matter will first turn into iron, then into black holes < 1432505356 152992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice time range there, "10^(10^26) to 10^(10^76) years". Really narrows it down. < 1432505978 363656 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1432505981 166591 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1432506130 210190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :loader's number of years < 1432506152 88896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if loader's number is bigger than TREE(3). probably not < 1432506379 571696 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1432507103 568088 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googology.wikia.com/wiki/Loader%27s_number - it's bigger than TREE(3). < 1432507182 583335 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that D(1000000) is smaller than TREE(3) for reasons of proof strength. < 1432507280 904869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TREE sequence is uncomputably fast-growing, which is what throws me < 1432507327 961716 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it uncomputable? < 1432507369 478933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1432507383 402733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly remembered it being so, but looking now i can't find anywhere that actually says so < 1432507453 7205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The growth rate of D(n) corresponds to the proof-theoretic ordinal of higher order logic. This is much, much larger than any computable ordinal notation has reached" dear god < 1432507870 312510 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1432509474 944064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found another bug in my RDF Turtle parser and now I have fixed it. It wouldn't accept the words "true" and "false" if immediately followed by a full stop without a space in between. < 1432509557 126277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because in the parse_prefix function I wrote: if(ind && buf[ind-1]=='.') { buf[ind-1]=0; pushchar(cur,'.'); } but it is supposed to be: if(ind && buf[ind-1]=='.') { buf[--ind]=0; pushchar(cur,'.'); } < 1432509781 695254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we put the hammer in an elevator... < 1432510470 24767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hammer? < 1432510498 865127 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thor's <.< < 1432510740 56248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I'm gonna stop training the neural net. It's already producing some pretty nice results. < 1432510753 663252 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't feel like cooking my laptop any more. < 1432510783 163682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is if you are going to put Thor's hammer in the elevator. < 1432510855 623196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432510880 257278 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a quote from the latest avengers movie... < 1432510911 824208 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:45: `` sed 's/^^-c:' < 1432510912 9492 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:45: ​[U+0640 ARABIC LETTER U] [U+A664 FULLY SIGN] [U+20CE LEGSGRAPE] < 1432510970 840578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that's uninitialized memory, it's lucky that it picked a couple of Unicode characters with such silly names < 1432511258 639563 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:27:51: `run perl -e '(':|' \ $_... < 1432511258 861699 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24:02: ​[U+FEFE DONTINUALAY CURSERENT THIS ALE CAVOIG THINK < 1432511258 861792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30:38: Anyway, anyway < 1432511288 219216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I'm gonna paste this stuff. < 1432511297 601665 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got a pastebin handy which wraps lines when displaying them? < 1432511379 721998 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjpemitdcoctumpw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1432511500 363189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, a place where I can permanently host a 100 kilobyte text file? < 1432511535 699836 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe gist will do the trick. < 1432511855 187285 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, here it is: < 1432511856 33910 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/tswett/2a5baafbb3807be9ff09/raw/a04903833ab54f043b22030d56d20b47d87b57a1/Random+%23esoteric%20logs