00:04:08 Ahoily. 00:38:10 -!- rdococ has quit. 00:38:27 -!- rdococ has joined. 00:38:55 -!- Maralyn has joined. 00:38:59 -!- Maralyn has left. 00:52:14 hi? 00:53:12 ho. 01:02:59 lo 01:07:18 hel 01:07:41 -!- augur has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 01:10:20 -!- hilquias has joined. 01:16:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:16:27 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:26:37 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:26:59 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. 01:27:08 fsck fsck fsck fsck fsck. 01:27:37 * boily metaphorically flips the mapole over 01:30:51 * oerjan suspects boily to be a little annoyed 01:32:35 probably my best YASD, and a first. 01:32:39 I drowned. 01:32:41 fsck. 01:33:02 ah nethack? 01:33:13 DCSS. 01:34:10 * oerjan uses acronym recognition. it's super effective! 01:34:38 oh well. gg. 01:35:12 no, gg doesn't update in several hours yet. well, normally. 01:35:32 are we speaking about the same gg twh? 01:36:25 surely there's only one gg hth 01:37:07 * oerjan checks freefall in the meantime 01:37:17 AH! 01:37:24 that gg. 01:37:41 no, they aren't the same gges. 01:37:47 *GASP* 01:38:42 *ONOMATOPOIETIC REVELATION* 01:39:51 * oerjan wonders if that minus ten is celsius or fahrenheit, although the latter would probably be anachronistic in a scifi comic. 01:41:33 hm no gg update for today but an extra announcement yesterday 01:42:04 dcss has deep gameplay. 01:43:46 Jafet: I was doing Cocytus after having completed Dis. I drowned in Coc:7. very shameful. 01:48:01 how can one drown in cocytus, it should be completely frozen over. 01:48:43 -!- llue has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 01:51:22 oerjan: no ice in crawl hth 01:51:35 shocking 01:52:03 there's shallow water, there's deep water. there's even laval! but no ice. 01:53:58 oh well. time to sleep. 01:54:01 'night all! 01:54:28 laval? what is a rocket engine nozzle doing in hell? 01:55:13 oren: helloren. you haven't seen anything there. muscle memory strikes again... Laval University is where I studied. 01:55:26 -!- boily has quit (Quit: INTERPOLATED CHICKEN). 01:57:33 @ask boily So, why did you study in hell, then? 01:57:33 Consider it noted. 02:00:59 Rocket nozzles? Or maybe some other burning things. 02:15:56 Search opponent's hand, draw pile, side cards, and trash for any number of evolution cards that can evolve from opponent's pokemons already in play and/or the other cards you picked; you must then play all such cards on opponent's side to evolve their pokemons (if there is more than one way, you can choose); opponent's draw pile and side cards are mixed up afterward. 02:18:25 -!- GeekDude has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:24:55 [wiki] [[Hi\n]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43089&oldid=43069 * Xavo * (+315) 02:25:23 [wiki] [[User:Xavo]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43090 * Xavo * (+35) Created page with "Oh hey there. I made [[Hi\n|hi\n]." 02:26:39 -!- GeekDude has joined. 02:26:51 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:26:52 [wiki] [[User:Xavo]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43091&oldid=43090 * Xavo * (+4) 02:27:16 [wiki] [[User:Xavo]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43092&oldid=43091 * Xavo * (-1) 02:28:05 -!- perrier has joined. 02:29:23 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43093&oldid=42994 * Xavo * (+50) /* General languages */ 02:36:52 [wiki] [[Hi\n]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43094&oldid=43089 * Xavo * (+129) added ruby interpreter 02:47:22 -!- augur has joined. 02:53:49 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 02:55:43 -!- const has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 02:55:52 -!- const has joined. 02:56:21 -!- const has changed nick to Guest42240. 02:56:34 -!- Guest42240 has quit (Changing host). 02:56:34 -!- Guest42240 has joined. 02:57:36 -!- Guest42240 has changed nick to const. 03:19:45 -!- const has changed nick to function. 03:20:54 function() 03:22:43 * function executes rdococ 03:23:36 ............... 03:24:12 * rdococ stays alive by the terrible garbage collection 03:28:09 Now I even made up two vanguard cards of Magic: the Gathering. 03:30:36 Axenwhite's Avatar {-} Vanguard (+0/+1) ;; Whenever you would draw a card, if you have already drawn a card this turn, instead an opponent of your choice draws a card and you gain 1 life. ;; {4}: Each player draws a card. You may put the top card of your graveyard on top of your library. 03:31:05 Gxxyuxihuvxi's High Avatar {-} Vanguard (-2/+1) ;; All nonland cards you own with a mana cost gain madness with a madness cost equal to their mana cost plus {3} and all normal single-colored mana symbols changed into Phyrexian mana of that color. ;; All lands you control gain "{T}, Discard a card: Add {1} to your mana pool or you may reduce your maximum hand size by one until the beginning of the next turn." 03:31:09 Do you like this? 03:38:48 Do you have any more feature suggestion and/or complaint and/or question of AmigaMML? 03:54:10 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:55:19 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:08:57 the last levels of mario bros U are impossibru 04:14:30 Are you sure? 04:15:35 Is "impossibru" even a real word? 04:17:09 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 04:18:54 -!- Lyka|Away has changed nick to Lyka|Phone. 04:26:21 not a real word, but a meme word 04:26:44 and yeah, they are at least as hard as the hardest classic games 04:28:45 OK, then that is good if it is not too easy. 04:29:17 Also, they throw this new tilt mechanic at you in the last world, where you tilt the controller. 04:30:19 Is it in the manual? 04:30:22 no 04:30:49 Well, that's no good. They should put it in the manual that you have to tilt the controller. 04:31:09 hi 04:31:27 There's an icon that appears on the screen telling you that you have to tilt it, but it is still annoying 04:31:30 hi lyka 04:31:51 or lyka\phone 04:32:33 the current version of octopus (aka fourfuck) runs fully off of an sd card 04:33:16 I mean, the program does 04:33:33 the interpreter is still on the device 04:34:28 hard part right now is modifying the code to allow subroutines 04:37:10 I wrote a guess a number program to test the system 04:39:13 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 04:39:51 -!- Vorpal has joined. 04:41:37 A000[00=SIB0SOB0]00=Q000 04:45:05 night all 04:45:25 -!- aretecode has quit (Quit: Toodaloo). 04:46:09 -!- Lyka|Phone has changed nick to Lyka|Away. 04:54:31 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:54:38 How did I accidentally close out of #esoteric? 04:54:39 :/ 04:55:12 It's like I didn't autorejoin when i opened IRC 04:55:22 Autojoin was unchecked :( 05:00:52 I BEAT BOWSER! 05:32:28 DOSBox runs on the web? 05:33:21 Yep! 05:34:15 https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos 05:34:45 I wonder when today's expensive machines will be trivially emulatable 05:40:38 -!- function has changed nick to trout. 05:45:39 For some reason I thought Tucows stopped existing 05:52:34 https://archive.org/details/stop-the-rock 05:52:40 I need to play this again ASASP 05:56:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXfyH0rt3M&index=1&list=PL60DDD0F77698B8EB 06:34:06 -!- monotone has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:36:41 -!- monotone has joined. 06:59:32 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:05:55 -!- Herbalist has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:16:10 people who are writing javascript should not abbreviate google analytics to googanal 07:17:30 why not 07:18:10 -!- SopaXT has joined. 07:18:58 because it is visible to users 07:18:58 When are they going to invent quantum bitcoins? 07:20:57 If varies, if = 0 implies = 0 then what is the property of T called? 07:51:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:52:10 -!- SopaXT has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:58:45 fungot: welcome to the fnord 07:58:45 mroman_: go's confusing... i like ruby kind of a vacation but after 7 months it's getting seriously old and there's still battery left. 07:59:52 fungot: Have you heard of the random busy beaver? 07:59:53 mroman_: and the fnord is likely to be i/ o would probably be a presentation by shriram krishnamurthi and is at +1 digs atm 08:00:06 It's like the busy beaver except that the tape is initialized completely randomly. 08:01:31 and RBB(n) is the expected number of ones a random busy beaver with n states writes on the tape while still halting. 08:11:50 -!- SopaXT has joined. 08:28:05 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:30:54 compression scheme: replace any file that has been archived by the internet archive, with a text file containing the URL. if it hasn't been, the compressor shall upload the file and wait for it to be archived 09:32:42 this compression scheme exceeds the capabilities of known compressors manyfold, for interesting inputs 09:33:27 oren: that would be bad for small files 09:33:31 do it for large files only 09:33:36 and ones that are rarely accessed 09:33:39 good idea 09:33:58 uploading a terabyte sized database file after each single write would be very bad 09:34:12 heh 09:38:34 anyway, that's a variant on Linus's old saying 09:39:14 Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it – Linus Torvalds 09:39:22 from http://groups.google.com/group/linux.dev.kernel/msg/76ae734d543e396d?pli=1 09:54:51 [wiki] [[Microscript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43095&oldid=43088 * 72.74.32.143 * (-2) Fixed a mistake in the documentation 10:10:32 -!- Herbalist has joined. 10:19:08 -!- boily has joined. 11:21:43 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SOLEMN CHICKEN). 11:23:55 -!- GeekDude has joined. 11:33:45 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 11:36:08 -!- rdococ has quit. 11:36:24 -!- rdococ has joined. 11:36:27 -!- rdococ has quit (Changing host). 11:36:27 -!- rdococ has joined. 11:37:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:38:15 only wimps use backups. 11:47:32 -!- rdococ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:51:13 -!- SopaXT has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:53:49 -!- TieSoul has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:55:12 -!- hjulle has joined. 11:56:36 -!- rdococ has joined. 11:56:38 -!- rdococ has quit (Changing host). 11:56:38 -!- rdococ has joined. 12:08:43 hypercomputation 12:29:34 umm 12:29:56 "Last In, First Out (LIFO)"? "What is pushed onto the stack first, will be popped off last"? ... contradiction? 12:31:30 [wiki] [[Stack]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43096&oldid=30976 * Rdococ * (+0) corrected a puzzling contradiction 12:42:16 then again 12:42:18 both apply 12:47:40 what? 12:48:46 FILO == LIFO 12:50:03 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 12:52:56 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:55:28 yeah 12:55:30 just realized 12:55:32 derp 12:55:49 but still makes sense 12:56:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:58:04 FILI on the other hand 12:58:30 that's a read only storage capable of storing one element 12:58:37 eh 12:58:37 no 12:58:39 write only 12:58:40 sorry 12:59:08 or technically ah 12:59:12 write once - read never 12:59:24 FOLO is read once - write never 13:02:49 yolo 13:03:10 yol9t 13:05:09 [wiki] [[Stack]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43097&oldid=43096 * 0x0dea * (+0) LIFO and FILO are equivalent, but the former is more common and, in this case as in most, better conveys intent. 13:05:47 tru FILOfax 13:08:10 lili 13:09:20 @tell zzo38 If varies, if = 0 implies = 0 then what is the property of T called? <-- i think that's equivalent to "X is an eigenvector of T^*" 13:09:20 Consider it noted. 13:09:31 also there's the LILO Queue 13:09:52 lilofifofifilili 13:09:56 leleoloadwa 13:11:31 which is the same as a FIFO Queue 13:18:24 @tell zzo38 because if that's orthogonal to the first but not the last one 13:18:24 Consider it noted. 13:21:31 I'm so tired of these LOFO Queues. 13:21:53 MIMO 13:22:00 Is gram-schmidt the base change thingy? 13:22:14 mroman_: it's the base _finding_ thingy. 13:22:33 orthonormal base finding thingy 13:23:28 @tell zzo38 oops *last but not the first one 13:23:28 Consider it noted. 13:23:46 I BLAME THE FIFO MESS 13:24:30 You mean FIFA MESS? 13:25:01 nah i don't blame that 13:25:17 it carries its own punishment. 13:25:34 I blame log-normal distributions. 13:25:41 fiendish 13:27:55 why is "lineare hülle" in english not "linear hull" but "linear span" 13:28:08 this is too confusing. 13:28:14 I'm just gonna call it linear thingy 13:30:18 there's "convex hull", though. 13:30:57 Math with simple english would be fun 13:31:09 in munroe's "thing explainer"-style 13:31:29 someone pointed out "explainer" is not in the wordlist he uses 13:31:39 It's not?!?! 13:31:52 but that's a derivation? 13:31:56 play -> player, 13:32:00 I guess that's acceptable 13:32:58 Are you a mathdoer? 13:33:04 sometimes 13:35:09 -!- gniourf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:35:44 -!- gniourf has joined. 13:37:34 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:39:47 hm actually LIFO is more technically correct than FILO 13:40:17 because only the first applies if you sometimes empty the stack not at the end 13:42:02 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Friedz * New user account 13:44:56 http://codepad.org/YSumHKy7 13:59:15 -!- TieSoul has joined. 14:18:41 -!- Welo has joined. 14:41:25 [wiki] [[Fission]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43098&oldid=39076 * 50.207.43.222 * (+43) 14:42:20 -!- gniourf has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:45:58 [wiki] [[Microscript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43099&oldid=43095 * 50.207.43.222 * (+40) 14:52:26 [wiki] [[Microscript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43100&oldid=43099 * SuperJedi224 * (+2) /* Cat Program (9 bytes) */ 14:53:38 [wiki] [[Microscript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43101&oldid=43100 * SuperJedi224 * (+46) 14:54:10 [wiki] [[Microscript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43102&oldid=43101 * SuperJedi224 * (+0) /* Reverse Quine (12 bytes) */ 14:55:46 -!- gniourf has joined. 15:03:19 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 15:07:20 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 15:07:33 -!- Herbalist has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:19:53 -!- TieSoul has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:23:19 -!- Herbalist has joined. 15:32:18 -!- Herbalist has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:33:55 -!- Herbalist has joined. 15:46:26 I want to make a language where programs are formulae. Unfortunately, the 'Formula' programming language... already exists. 15:46:27 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 15:53:45 What kind of formula? 15:58:57 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 16:06:59 You culd call it formulated, or formulations. 16:07:07 *fomrulations 16:07:46 Or Formulae, and just let their be another language with a name differeing by exactly one letter. 16:13:52 rdococ: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Polynomial 16:19:25 -!- nortti has changed nick to mindev. 16:19:36 -!- mindev has changed nick to nortti. 16:24:09 that language also exists 16:25:23 also. 16:31:57 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 16:33:44 I prefer a FIGO architecture 16:33:57 first in, garbage out 16:34:31 although a GIFO might be more useful 16:35:48 how about formoola 16:35:56 Could you maybe work on garbage in code out? 16:36:17 GIOO: garbage in, output out... oh wait... its called malbolge... 16:37:28 -!- idris-bot has joined. 16:39:23 -!- Welo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:40:47 -!- hilquias has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:45:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: GIGL). 16:56:05 -!- WashIrving has joined. 17:00:12 GIGO 17:00:16 garbage in, garbage out 17:02:04 -!- heroux has quit (Read error: No route to host). 17:03:12 -!- heroux has joined. 17:03:54 -!- trout has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:06:07 -!- FreeFull has quit. 17:08:29 -!- variable has joined. 17:08:30 -!- variable has quit (Changing host). 17:08:30 -!- variable has joined. 17:27:36 -!- guydreich has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:30:49 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:35:49 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 17:47:22 -!- GeekDude has joined. 17:47:22 -!- GeekDude has quit (Changing host). 17:47:22 -!- GeekDude has joined. 17:55:39 " _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" ... I might sometimes to backup on DVD (currently I can't though), but still I wish to allow rest of the world to mirror my public stuff anyways; not FTP though, but I do have HTTP and Gopher servers. If you want to make your own public archives of text file and free software and so on you can mirror mine if it is something that would go in what kind of a 17:55:48 ?messages-loud 17:55:48 oerjan said 4h 46m 27s ago: If varies, if = 0 implies = 0 then what is the property of T called? <-- i think that's equivalent to "X is an eigenvector of T^*" 17:55:48 oerjan said 4h 37m 24s ago: because if that's orthogonal to the first but not the last one 17:55:48 oerjan said 4h 32m 20s ago: oops *last but not the first one 18:06:30 [wiki] [[Huh?]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43103&oldid=42216 * 72.38.29.19 * (+64) /* External resources */ 18:07:12 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 18:07:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:17:40 -!- TieSoul has joined. 18:17:50 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:34:08 ehehe 18:37:47 -!- variable has changed nick to function. 18:40:42 * rdococ executes function 18:41:22 * function executes rdococ 18:41:35 -!- rdococ has changed nick to Error. 18:41:55 YES 18:41:55 * Error !!! Cannot execute an alien 18:42:01 -!- Error has changed nick to rdococ. 18:42:05 :( 18:43:06 -!- rdococ has changed nick to Error. 18:43:06 -!- Error has changed nick to rdococ. 18:43:11 umm 18:43:25 -!- rdococ has changed nick to Error. 18:43:25 /me Segmentation fault! 18:43:25 -!- Error has changed nick to rdococ. 18:43:29 ummm 18:43:46 -!- rdococ has changed nick to Error. 18:43:47 * Error #esoteric Segmentation fault! 18:43:47 -!- Error has changed nick to rdococ. 18:43:52 :) 18:44:06 * function computes himself 18:44:32 -!- rdococ has changed nick to Error. 18:44:32 -!- Error has changed nick to rdococ. 18:44:33 * rdococ !!! Test 18:45:01 -!- rdococ has changed nick to Error. 18:45:01 -!- Error has changed nick to Guest20602. 18:45:02 -!- Guest20602 has changed nick to rdococ. 18:45:43 srsly 18:46:05 Error Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable 18:48:42 Well, I passed my AI module 18:49:06 is that like a d-module? 18:49:49 -!- fractal has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:50:09 Yes but with less D and more AI 18:50:28 Also it's graded 18:50:46 what if you just barely pass it 18:50:50 with a grade of D 18:51:26 Unfortunately I don't think there are many UK universities with a grade system with Ds 18:51:28 I got a 2-2 18:52:02 shachaf: no, more like a Z-module 18:54:16 Oerjan (Talk | contribs) moved page Function to Funciton over a redirect without leaving a redirect 18:54:36 should I still type my language on the Function page? 18:54:52 or should I try to avoid a naming conflict? 18:55:11 Eh, there's two languages called Clue 18:55:15 And two called Numberwang 18:55:17 ...wait what? 18:55:21 Not gonna be that big of a deal 18:55:28 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue 18:55:29 god you're right 18:55:56 I was so happy about that 18:56:01 because it meant I got to make a disambiguation page 18:56:18 or, hmm, seems like it was actually elliott who made the page 18:56:20 rdococ: -NickServ- Registered : Jul 07 17:18:02 2014 (46w 4d 1h ago) 18:56:22 that's why 18:58:02 wait, what? 18:58:28 rdococ: -NickServ- Spydar007 has enabled nick protection 18:58:38 rdococ: so if you chose to /nick error and don't identify 18:58:44 oh right 18:58:59 he is logged in... 18:59:12 rdococ: doesn't matter 18:59:14 german server... 18:59:16 nick protection is automatic 18:59:18 k 18:59:19 ik 19:07:25 I think I hate the Mac keyboard. 19:07:44 I know I hate the Mac keyboard 19:07:50 oh I have an idea! 19:07:56 I'll call my language 'Delegate' 19:08:21 A three-finger combination just to get curly braces on a Finnish is fucking stupid, and I can't seem to find a decent solution to fix it. 19:08:43 I don't have a Mac keyboard 19:09:15 I may just have to force myself to relearn a US layout. 19:09:30 qwerty 19:09:54 J_Arcane: because Macs don't have an altgr? 19:10:09 Yeah, I guess tha'ts part of the problem. 19:10:30 The other part is a whole huge extra bunch of special character shortcuts that I don't need taking up all the space. 19:24:33 -!- SopaXT has joined. 19:33:12 -!- scoofy has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:34:53 -!- scoofy has joined. 19:35:43 -!- Herbalist has left ("WeeChat 1.2"). 19:35:53 -!- fractal has joined. 19:37:59 J_Arcane: set your text format to ISO646-FI. Then write int main()ä printf("hello, world!Ön"); å 19:38:43 oren: ISO646 is a subset of ASCII, right; 19:38:56 I guess the ä and Ö and å map to ASCII characters? 19:39:02 *right? 19:39:09 Yeah, and ISO646-FI replaces the characters {}\|[] with national ones 19:39:46 So if you type the program in ISO646-FI, then have the compiler read it as ascii it will work fine 19:39:52 this is why trigraphs were invented 19:40:01 although digraphs make more sense 19:40:15 (the difference is that digraphs aren't parsed inside comments, string literals, and the like) 19:40:31 (technically they're alternate spellings of tokens, rather than textual substitutions) 19:40:54 Except trigraphs don't *quite* work for the purpose though -- C still requires those characters to exist, at least at run time. 19:41:13 It also requires them to not vary in encoding with LC_CTYPE and requires them to be in a single char. 19:41:31 `run echo 'int main()ä printf("hello, world!Ön"); å' | iconv -futf-8 -tiso646-fi 19:41:43 int main(){ printf("hello, world!\n"); } 19:41:48 ta da! 19:42:33 does that help you type, J_Arcane! 19:42:47 I don't even know what to do with that information. XD 19:42:49 (though there is no requirement that the source and execution character sets are the *same*...) 19:45:04 So yeah: []\ => äåö and {}| => ÄÅÖ 19:45:23 er, that's slighlt wrong 19:45:42 That would honestly be my ideal remap, I just can't figure out how to make ukelele do it. 19:48:07 Well you could always just learn to read code that looks like if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä 19:48:39 then you can use iconv 19:49:03 put it in your makefile, annoy everyone who tries to read your code? 19:49:38 yeah, like that 19:50:10 -!- SopaXT has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:50:18 mind you, you can use _ in some smalltalk variants iirc because it used to mean left arrow in some charsets, 19:50:22 for assignment, 19:50:28 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr '[\]{|}' 'ÅÄÖåäö' 19:50:29 if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä 19:50:32 er 19:50:32 and people still use ^ for power because it used to mean up arrow 19:50:40 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr 'ÅÄÖåäö' '[\]{|}' 19:50:41 if(a}|i}] == b}|i}] }}}} a}|i}] == 0 }}}} b}|i}] == 0)}} 19:50:51 Hm 19:50:51 it gets even funnier if you use backslash overwrite stuff in intercal 19:51:10 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr 'ÅÄÖåäö' '[]\{}|' 19:51:11 if(a|}i|] == b|}i|] |||| a|}i|] == 0 |||| b|}i|] == 0)|| 19:51:20 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr 'ÅÄÖåäö' '[]\\{}|' 19:51:21 if(a|{i|] == b|{i|] |||| a|{i|] == 0 |||| b|{i|] == 0)|| 19:52:03 Oh 19:52:09 oh no unicode support in tr 19:52:13 should the backslash be doubly escaped? 19:52:22 or that 19:52:59 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | perl -pe y/ÅÄÖåäö/[]\\{}|/ 19:53:00 bash: /: Is a directory \ Transliteration replacement not terminated at -e line 1. 19:53:09 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | perl -pe 'y/ÅÄÖåäö/[]\\{}|/' 19:53:10 if(a[{i[] == b[{i[] [|[| a[{i[] == 0 [|[| b[{i[] == 0)[| 19:53:49 ... 19:53:49 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | sed -e 'y/ÅÄÖåäö/[]\\{}|/' 19:53:52 if(a]i[ == b]i[ || a]i[ == 0 || b]i[ == 0)} 19:54:05 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | sed -e 'y/ÅÄÖåäö/][\\}{|/' 19:54:06 if(a[i] == b[i] || a[i] == 0 || b[i] == 0){ 19:54:08 What's the point of using the three characters after the English alphabet, if you don't put the letters in the right order? 19:54:37 * FireFly assumed ISO646-{FI,SE} used ÅÄÖåäö 19:54:50 Looks like the danes won this round 19:54:52 `` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | iconv -futf-8 -tiso646-fi 19:54:53 if(a[i] == b[i] || a[i] == 0 || b[i] == 0){ 19:54:59 easier 19:55:03 Good point 19:55:06 Also less error-prone 19:55:35 mind you, I'm not sure ??< char buf??(256??); scanf("%.256s", buf); printf("hello, %s??/n", buf); ??> looks that much better than é char bufÉ256Ü; scanf("%.256s", buf); printf("hello, %sÖn", buf); ü 19:55:46 and the latter is at least easy to type, and you can get used to reading it 19:56:16 I got used to half my fonts having yen signs pretty quick 19:56:33 in the old era with home PCs with no back storage and only a BASIC interpreter, there used to be ones that that had localized fonts in the rom, and some rarer characters like # displayed wrong, 19:56:43 `` for lang in fi se no dk; do iconv -f utf-8 -t iso646-$lang <<<'[\]{|}'; done 19:56:44 iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 19:56:57 so the statement to write to a file was like PRINTÉ rather than PRINT# 19:57:00 that's weird 19:57:05 that's not even iso646 by the way 19:57:58 there's a good reason BASIC doesn't use any of @[]^{|}~ and only newer variants use \_ 19:58:16 oh wait 19:58:25 they do use ^ but that's fine, it's just displayed as an up arrow 19:58:37 Yes, on some old ASCII systems it is up arrow 19:58:50 I wouldn't call those ASCII but sure 19:58:53 `` for lang in fi se no dk; do iconv -futf-8 -tiso646-$lang <<<'[\]{|}'; done 19:58:54 iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 19:58:56 some ASCII-derived systems 19:59:07 before everyone converged to ASCII 19:59:12 Can you transmit BASIC with Baudot code in letter mode? 19:59:12 Actually I think the one with up arrow is still ASCII, just it is a old kind of ASCII 19:59:20 `` for lang in fi se no dk; do iconv -tutf-8 -fiso646-$lang <<<'[\]{|}'; done 19:59:21 ÄÖÅäöå \ ÄÖÅäöå \ ÆØÅæøå \ ÆØÅæøå 19:59:37 oren: oh, oops 19:59:46 zzo38: what? is left arrow for _ and yen sign for ` and pound sign for # ASCII too? 19:59:50 no wai 19:59:54 yen sign was on \ 19:59:55 not on ` 20:00:07 I don't know 20:00:10 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:00:14 Yes, hence the ¥ in filenames 20:00:23 file paths* 20:00:36 FireFly: that's never made sense to me though 20:01:22 PCs used cp437 in text mode from the start, and that has a yen symbol 20:01:34 what variant of DOS ever used such terminals? 20:01:53 maybe some serial terminal stuff when you don't have an expensive cga or monochrome card? 20:02:06 or did the monochrome card not support 437? 20:02:07 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fko17 <<<'DMITRIJ' 20:02:08 iconv: conversion from `ko17' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information. 20:02:15 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fKO17 <<<'DMITRIJ' 20:02:16 iconv: conversion from `KO17' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information. 20:02:22 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fKOI7 <<<'DMITRIJ' 20:02:23 iconv: conversion from `KOI7' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information. 20:02:45 or is this about graphics mode where you could display only the low 128 characters because you couldn't read the vga card rom directly and the rom had a copy of only half of the font and ram is expensive? 20:02:46 `` iconv --list | paste 20:02:49 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.7875 20:02:49 dunno 20:03:09 oh, I know! 20:03:28 maybe it's for VGA cards where you could change the font] 20:03:33 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fKOI-7 <<<'dmitrij' 20:03:33 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fkoi-7 <<<'DMITRIJ' 20:03:33 ДМИТРИЙ 20:03:34 дмитрий 20:03:40 and you changed the font to match a legacy character set used for non-DOS 20:03:42 makes sense 20:03:47 duh 20:03:58 Handy charset 20:05:04 koi7 is fun because the letters are roughly corresponding to the equivalent roman letters 20:05:37 b_jonas: I was under the impression that it's legitimately an up-arrow in ASCII-63 (ASA X3.4-1963), and all this about a ^ is just newfangled ASCII-67 (ANSI X3.4-1967) nonsense. 20:05:45 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fkoi-7 << How can I program Mozilla to refuse to accept cookies with certain names? 20:05:45 усср 20:05:57 zzo38: I think the easiest way would be to write an extension 20:06:02 FireFly: dunno, probably because baudot has like a ton of incompatible national character sets. you could make a BASIC character set easily. 20:06:05 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fKOI7 <<<'SSSR' 20:06:06 iconv: conversion from `KOI7' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information. 20:06:12 `` iconv -tutf-8 -fKOI-7 <<<'SSSR' 20:06:12 ссср 20:06:14 I started writing an extension to edit the URL for Wikia to add &useskin=monobook or ?useskin=monobook, but got fed p 20:06:19 so now I do it by hand 20:06:20 Yes, but how do you do such extension? 20:06:29 I think there are guides on the Mozilla website somewhere 20:06:35 -!- bb010g has joined. 20:06:40 `` piconv -tutf-8 -fKOI-7 <<<'SSSR' 20:06:41 Unknown option: tutf-8 \ Unknown option: fKOI-7 \ piconv [-f from_encoding] [-t to_encoding] [-s string] [files...] \ piconv -l \ piconv -r encoding_alias \ -l,--list \ lists all available encodings \ -r,--resolve encoding_alias \ resolve encoding to its (Encode) canonical name \ -f,--from from_encoding \ when omitted, the cur 20:06:50 `` piconv -t utf-8 -f KOI-7 <<<'SSSR' # fool 20:06:51 Unknown encoding 'KOI-7' at /usr/bin/piconv line 95 20:07:01 `` piconv -t utf-8 -f KOI-RU <<<'SSSR' # fool 20:07:02 Unknown encoding 'KOI-RU' at /usr/bin/piconv line 95 20:07:07