< 1433721699 490422 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-223-069.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay quickcheck. < 1433722747 137362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Caesar salad without dressing on, at some places; at other places the salad isn't as good. < 1433722862 373542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a caesar salad if it has no dressing. < 1433722876 998625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it is < 1433722895 982139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like it's not a caesar salad without dried salted anchovy < 1433722916 307000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call it "Caesar" salad. a Caesomorph. < 1433722920 162919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i don't eat fish < 1433722947 442705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put lettuce, cheese, crouton, that's good enough < 1433722963 238000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not judging shachaf. there's nothing wrong with a "Caesar salad". it's just not as good as it could be. < 1433723000 100285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever the way the wind blows, / Whichever the way the world goes, / Is perfectly all right with me! < 1433723401 566697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bitoven14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43183&oldid=43178 5* 03173.25.21.218 5* (+0) 10fixed a small error < 1433723558 924826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Created" isn't even the right word, but there aren't any better words! <-- istr hebrew has a special word for "create" that _only_ applies to God hth < 1433723597 982374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it does? I don't know Hebrew language much < 1433723604 718438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in hebrew, it's by definition the right word, but it might not be entirely clear what it means. < 1433723656 849655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see that. < 1433723668 574626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know hebrew much either but i've seen it discussed somewhere. < 1433723873 67491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think I've ever had the real deal. is it good? is it worth it? < 1433723906 467530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whichever your answer, probably going to try it out of sheer curiosity.) < 1433724913 695243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to open a .XI file with multiple samples in OpenMPT, it automatically discards the samples that aren't used in the keymap. How to fix this? < 1433727473 978080 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1433728565 553497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43184&oldid=43115 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+142) 10/* Underload to Gibberish */ new section < 1433728771 505202 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43185&oldid=43184 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+84) 10/* Underload to Gibberish */ < 1433728812 447757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1433728918 846879 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: JAVANESE CHICKEN < 1433728957 173544 :Maria!~canaima@190.142.155.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433729066 867159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43186&oldid=43185 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+36) 10/* Underload to Gibberish */ < 1433729270 818200 :Maria!~canaima@190.142.155.224 PART :#esoteric < 1433730058 435642 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1433730080 28298 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My custom scaler is pretty much done now < 1433730304 892135 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.211.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433730923 176442 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.211.60 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433731078 268626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that custom scaler? < 1433731124 529243 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433731343 308401 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A customized sclaing alcorithm for emulated games < 1433731354 204612 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm modding it into mednafen < 1433732675 175669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I got vector synthesis to work properly in AmigaMML and XISYNTH. < 1433732967 146320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433733726 46205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite! < 1433733912 874828 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433733963 680396 :gde33!~gde33@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733965 40929 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733965 216527 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733965 216610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733965 216636 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733971 899664 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1433733974 369505 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733975 720532 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1433733982 108402 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1433733983 456318 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1433733990 144205 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433733990 320020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1433734000 550744 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1433734024 3895 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1433734178 79546 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1433734908 166005 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1433735142 585914 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433735142 788100 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433735426 165045 :Lyka|Away!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka < 1433735439 679331 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1433736059 761384 :adu_!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433736181 264877 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433736251 803211 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1433736313 880252 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433736506 777431 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1433736529 251580 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1433737499 367343 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA I can't get diagonals to work properly! < 1433737644 597422 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433737659 68643 :password2!~password@197.77.29.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433737697 699572 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/5xgtpmiqh/ < 1433737831 606279 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ screenshot using my scaler, and the palette 77ccff 77cc00 007700 000000 ffcccc cccc00 990000 111100 < 1433737928 21016 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mostly looks ok, but I csn't figure out a good rule to make X look right < 1433737938 996691 :password2!~password@197.77.29.228 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433738335 954006 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433738399 734584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody have an idea how to detect a patern like that? < 1433738494 870423 :password2!~password@197.77.14.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433739193 640909 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs JOIN :#esoteric < 1433739236 321995 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet Jesus < 1433739243 481847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1433739514 187383 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1433739514 639360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have anything to add here? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml/wiki/XM_optimizations < 1433739519 562673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or anything to remove?) < 1433739608 970060 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1433739634 496401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it explaining it in there? < 1433739649 463056 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Please don't assume I ever actually leave the channel anything that follows a name mention is logged down for 2 hours afterwarsa < 1433739657 435503 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wards* < 1433739667 249363 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look zzo38 < 1433739728 434642 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :File size reduction < 1433739731 863775 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :lossless < 1433739732 100168 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_scaling#2%C3%97SaI look interesting < 1433739743 841001 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice < 1433740244 140316 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :file reduction without dataloss zzo38 ? < 1433740336 591118 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433740496 942684 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah I forgot irc still worked it was having bugs < 1433740523 187204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: Yes, to reduce a XM file size while the music will still be same way. < 1433740562 233168 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I was because I couldn't log because I forgot my password < 1433740568 352000 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh neat < 1433740601 105082 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does sound useful because dataloss is very annoying at times < 1433740679 578620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you work with .XM musics at all? < 1433740688 275489 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go to bed < 1433740697 63856 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1433740712 37401 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1433740729 213181 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain what it is and maybe I will < 1433740787 261816 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone seen ^v around < 1433740827 938866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a file format that many game programs that expect music will support (together with .MOD, .IT, and .S3M), first made up in a DOS program called Fasttracker. There are other programs too; the wiki I just linked also has another page to list some other such programs. < 1433740866 118849 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds cool < 1433740885 553573 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall go research it in a bit but I'm making dinner and coffee < 1433740898 399111 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though its 11:38 pm < 1433740903 28034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? AmigaMML < 1433740913 524859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have dinner and coffee at 11:38 PM? < 1433740914 103823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only fools such as zzo38 and so on try to use AmigaMML on a PC. Real Men try to use AmigaMML on a Amiga computer. \ https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml/wiki/Frequently_and_unfrequently_asked_questions < 1433740919 338697 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :habbit < 1433740936 517824 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually get around to stuff until around the late hours < 1433741027 470973 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've Become addicted to magic the gathering and I'm worried about this because I usually hate card games < 1433741061 839961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up several Magic: the Gathering cards too and also a few puzzles for Magic: the Gathering. If you have any of your own puzzle I want to see that too. < 1433741146 938835 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a reanimation deck made of eldrazi's and eldrazi lords < 1433741168 556586 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a rainbow deck built around door to nothingness < 1433741184 309938 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean puzzles < 1433741187 189627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no cards or decks < 1433741204 288409 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and now I get all these puns abour magic that have been on the tv < 1433741215 573866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mark Rosewater made up some Magic: the Puzzling some time ago, and now other people made up new ones < 1433741243 769862 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :example < 1433741253 829493 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :example < 1433741255 374706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.1 and also puzzle.2 and puzzle.3 in the same directory. < 1433741263 178258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some puzzles. < 1433741271 270895 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes my msgs don't send on screen < 1433741277 891112 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its ping lag < 1433741290 942477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want solutions, they are called solution.1 and so on; you should first try to figure out by yourself though.) < 1433741355 853630 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at this < 1433741371 158768 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its pretty neat < 1433741375 489893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy more Magic: the Puzzling from Wizards of the Coast if they sold more, but they don't < 1433741415 350293 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those a thing < 1433741424 281716 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm relatively new < 1433741435 932602 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Onii-chan you're the best especially when you touch my breast < 1433741440 872656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know they only made one book, but there were others in issues of the Duelist magazine. < 1433741457 754951 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are weird leaving message < 1433741470 533214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not interested in buying any cards but I would buy more Magic: the Puzzling. < 1433741482 146112 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually want to see the lore books < 1433741502 612968 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I drink this coffee or take a shower < 1433741519 932565 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill do both at the same time! < 1433741599 918839 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up dwarf fortress while my chicken is cooking < 1433741673 166138 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and http://i.imgur.com/1yx1LXR.jpg I wonder if this would work < 1433741711 676001 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice < 1433741776 383293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play Pokemon card too < 1433741820 935012 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel dead < 1433741967 385169 :adu_!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu_ < 1433741975 265115 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1433742116 126089 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snusp is crazy < 1433742403 110409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out any of my puzzles? < 1433742409 991114 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1433742424 175333 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping lag < 1433742428 924588 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't < 1433742453 3840 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not using solutions because I want to get through this < 1433742462 63999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1433742481 544321 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyways food is ready < 1433742490 648551 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm done setting up < 1433742496 580166 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I best go off < 1433742499 75239 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1433742500 577060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1433742601 752193 :Elronnd!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1433742766 116507 :password2!~password@197.77.14.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1433745333 294787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mahjong what rules do you prefer dealing with whether or not the dealer can continue after a draw, and about whether or not the dealer is forced to continue? < 1433745380 236504 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer tenpai renchan < 1433745388 668071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :agari yame for casual play, but not for a tournament setting < 1433745509 438976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to use tenpai renchan for east round, and for south round the dealer continues after a draw regardless of tenpai or no-ten. At least, this is how I always play when I get to make these kind of decisions < 1433745511 551880 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tenpai yame is fine < 1433745517 24184 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1433745544 473919 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: interesting. I know of only two locations which use that renchan rule < 1433745579 526444 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1433745585 469430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which locations is that? < 1433745623 607408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also seems to be the rule for Washizu mahjong mode on Akagi DS) < 1433745686 38564 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1433745728 588236 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1433745728 763760 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1433745951 250266 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Montreal and Waterloo < 1433746102 762830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1433746152 705174 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433746700 31567 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1433747584 310102 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1433748637 365406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1433748773 249827 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1433748808 974395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream that my parents won a house in a lottery but it was only half built < 1433748833 232577 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1433748911 346322 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is quite the potential to look at symbolism there < 1433749147 37819 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suggested we sell the house and our current house to buy a slightly better house < 1433749345 995847 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1433749359 958343 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1433749387 408032 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1433749387 583766 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1433749423 803518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to linguists, "Santa Claus has all the attributes of a sadist" < 1433749427 11064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-order_logic#Formalizing_natural_languages < 1433749518 499556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is -w 1 likely to be sufficient for wgeting from some random webserver somewhere < 1433749530 452096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the files are intended to be downloaded, not sure about in bulk like this < 1433749540 169437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put my email in the UA < 1433749665 934337 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds unwise < 1433749683 644907 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're concerned though, use the rate-limiting option < 1433749721 917354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, at 1 item/second < 1433749774 793559 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't remember if wget's speed limit is done correctly for multiple files < 1433749873 723267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's faster than it was at 5 seconds/item < 1433749884 985128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And slower than when I didn't have a limit (for a small portion) < 1433749920 144347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The webmaster is likely someone interested in VRML, so it could start a conversation < 1433750051 831953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... seems to be the archives of someone who themselves scraped from a server many, MANY years ago < 1433750155 874454 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgzfdxrrqmleckcs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1433752178 27532 :toxolotl1!~beard@2a02:2028:621:6301:3d87:5fee:38d1:3909 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433756876 168123 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1433757653 66001 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1433757986 913398 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1433758238 193118 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1433758909 317477 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433760143 989840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1433760668 71219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to introduce Duads < 1433760670 419105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Triads < 1433760714 146145 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in J they are called dyadic < 1433760723 573922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I distinguish between prefix dyadic und infix dyadic < 1433760751 974161 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1433761141 852858 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm. < 1433761145 222931 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dyadic 1 and Dyadic 2 < 1433761178 685110 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a duad just a bimonoid in the bicategory of duendofunctors? < 1433761383 423350 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :,"1m2+"1M2 < 1433761399 256652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is (min(1,2)+max(1,2)) < 1433761521 32320 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :,:,"1m2+"1M2R{,p+p is reduce(range(0,(min(1,2)+max(1,2))), \a b -> a + b) < 1433761773 273631 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to read :) < 1433761792 919073 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because whether m is an Operator or the Variable m depends on the context < 1433761979 796963 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is there even such a thing? < 1433761983 561048 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bimonoid < 1433761988 105907 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1433761989 216749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bimonoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433762014 74264 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is fundamentally one of my weaknesses with inventing really esoteric sort of languages: I would never remember a scheme like that, even if I designed it myself. < 1433762023 471920 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely remember how my own code works sometimes. < 1433762044 129083 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sadly bimonoids aren't such a thing, because a·b·c is associative. < 1433762071 420609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_A_Wellork. remembering what you own code does is one of the Greatest Achievements a programmer can reach. < 1433762087 819723 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_A_Work: I seem to be able to remember such things quite well. < 1433762097 854532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1433762101 574004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :See Burlesque :) < 1433762108 905294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boihelloy! < 1433762125 863274 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still golf in it without having to look up the language reference most of the time < 1433762170 949262 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! < 1433762171 582680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, it helps that you invented it so you assigned the primitives such that you already remember their names < 1433762177 607476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1433762182 425308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to golf for everyone else < 1433762183 501557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: True. < 1433762184 64702 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, part of it is that over the years I’ve come to realize I have genuine problems with my memory. < 1433762204 957593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with the docs, because they're hard to read < 1433762243 197802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Defined as \/bxcy\/z[{p^+]e!}m[" <- you're referring to those things? < 1433762289 751636 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have written descriptions for those + giving their definition (because knowing the *exact* definition is very important to abuse sideeffects) < 1433762297 723573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm lazy < 1433762344 450841 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Defined as x/Shx/\/x/x/\/P[" is my favorite < 1433762356 466568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x/ is not a regular swap :D < 1433762371 314580 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this builtin contains so many freaking swaps < 1433762376 196173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\/ is a regular swap though) < 1433762433 327966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_A_Work: My memore is very selective :D < 1433762435 52324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*memory < 1433762452 752706 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's quite good at remembering things you wouldn't really need to < 1433762465 428098 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you ask my memory what I did this saturday you're out of luck. < 1433762560 375372 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Burleqsue j2 is the builtin j + integer 1 whereas b2 is the builtin b2 :p < 1433762565 944352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :* integer 2 < 1433762623 761700 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: when was the last Saturday you had? < 1433762781 160243 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this saturday < 1433762784 681894 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was probably working < 1433762791 340788 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as irc logs confirm < 1433762837 239346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember watching Stargate Atlantis < 1433762841 28386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some episodes < 1433762866 21989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least according to netflix I'm at episode 6 now < 1433762904 48306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: not just those definitions, but that it's hard to search for even things that do have good short descriptions < 1433762974 494156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, a talk on semigroups tomorrow < 1433762978 674175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about semigroups < 1433762979 395229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when I couldn't find the primitve that pops a single element and makes a box from it containing the single element < 1433762980 727776 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall attend! < 1433763012 395746 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HELIOTROPIC CHICKEN < 1433763162 297170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ops of the Group Dyadic2 can either be infix or prefix < 1433763166 553537 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them at least. < 1433763169 734432 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in all cases < 1433763181 144636 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"m1 2 or "1m2 < 1433763554 595015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries to parse them prefix first, then infix < 1433763568 919943 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 1 isn't a legal operator so in that case you can use infix notation < 1433763690 673875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you mean bx? < 1433763732 145564 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Box|bx|Any a|Put a in an empty block" < 1433763756 134890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, that < 1433763778 944451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "empty" whereas the box isn't empty, so I didn't find it < 1433763787 856335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should say "singleton" or "length 1" or something < 1433763803 503813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "single element" < 1433763807 962005 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you put a into an empty block the block isn't empty anymore :) < 1433763816 955409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but < 1433763820 181613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocks are immutable < 1433763831 655468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean it conses an element before an empty block? < 1433763843 138303 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocks aren't immutable < 1433763849 716707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1433763862 376286 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel.. define immutable < 1433763864 189001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well < 1433763880 885320 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can delete elements from a block < 1433763921 915052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you keep multiple references to a block, delete elements from the block through one reference, and see that change when read from another reference? < 1433763933 558482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :an implementation could do some reference counting and using copy-on-write or perform the operation on the same structure if no other references are found < 1433763940 170746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, not that. < 1433763946 26050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they're immutable < 1433763953 688835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifying them might be an optimization, sure < 1433763962 926252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make them semi-mutable under the hood < 1433763981 462302 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of copying the whole thing when duplicating stuff like that < 1433764004 318306 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how ghc optimizes/handles those things < 1433764079 675614 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had implemented it in C I would have kept track of references. < 1433764100 959702 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only need to copy-on-write if there are other references around. Otherwise you don't need to copy it. < 1433764105 383914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1433764120 544535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::shared_ptr can do that, it has a member function to tell if there's only one reference < 1433764128 462523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's C++ < 1433764132 658663 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hate C++ ;P < 1433764133 49829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically it reads the reference count) < 1433764137 496424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1433764482 442332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The past keeps getting cooler! (And there's more of it every day!)" http://www.xkcd.com/1104/ < 1433764535 66646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard dinosauriers are actually just large chikens < 1433764537 333330 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chickens < 1433764612 168002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dinosaurs < 1433764612 762419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinosaurs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433764629 744846 :toxolotl1!~beard@2a02:2028:621:6301:3d87:5fee:38d1:3909 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1433764636 69488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should add that as wisdom < 1433764674 811756 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Dinosaurs are a diverse group of pre-historic chickens with feathers. < 1433764677 158357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'dinosaur': Dinosaurs are a diverse group of pre-historic chickens with feathers. < 1433764705 497919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Asimov short story confirms this by the way < 1433765560 888288 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-006.rentec.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433766117 499126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chickens lay eggs, Dinosaurs lay eggs therefore Dinosaurs are Chickens. < 1433766150 374481 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chickens move on two legs, Humans move on two legs therefore Humans are also Chickens. < 1433766165 699809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that we don't have a gyroscopically stable head < 1433766168 598158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be somewhat cool < 1433766705 506663 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1433767664 805669 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1433767749 121547 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433768357 811605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1433768885 485480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1433768910 902667 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1433770254 373315 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433770302 996292 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1433770896 15320 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433771388 806900 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know any hilarious lets play videos I can put on in the background? < 1433771968 862163 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1433772078 689881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:44c2:a85f:0:fd4e:311e:aa7a:75c8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433772176 175018 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433772582 722696 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1433772726 90324 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1433773147 655700 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1433773152 432419 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1433773457 305497 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1433774128 194216 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1433774929 287201 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1433775043 506672 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433775067 907694 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433775109 954663 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode "LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE ACCENT" < 1433775111 321594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433775201 340036 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1433775225 757737 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1433775793 922476 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-14-6.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1433775901 760810 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433776198 659500 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1433776489 184551 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1433776494 596160 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need annotations without postfix ... < 1433776779 432088 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... still do < 1433777104 220742 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1433777451 173091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "tar (child): compress: Cannot exec: No such file or directory"? just decompress it with gzip you stupid tar < 1433777462 152031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(luckily an explicit -z helped) < 1433777741 432187 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1433777926 655684 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-195.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433778195 927637 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433778481 428873 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use tar -xvz < 1433778523 673009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that doesn't work I give up. < 1433778572 198734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar xzf here, j for .tar.bz2, J for tar.xz < 1433778675 271101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what using tar xf vs. tar -xf says about a person. probably nothing :) < 1433778707 687287 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1433778814 323824 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's also squeeze < 1433778904 848562 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tar < 1433778905 448586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' or `--test-label' options \ Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. < 1433778915 26668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tar < 1433778915 917218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command you're looking for is probably either tar -xavkf or tar -cavf < 1433778937 706463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1433778965 592674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: -a makes it guess the compression program < 1433778969 759131 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1433779052 680602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: these days, it always guesses the compression program without anything special (though that only works if the input is seekable) < 1433779068 788417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I generally write tar tvf for all kinds of compressed tarballs < 1433779072 380134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for gzip and bzip2 < 1433779083 437040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here, for a unix-compressed one, it tried to invoke compress < 1433779090 667104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't have installed < 1433779106 709534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have just invoked gzip instead, which can read unix-compressed files < 1433779228 753740 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could have used a gui program, like the noobs we are < 1433779236 893765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that from time to time. < 1433780128 172801 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-14-6.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1433780458 712002 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1433780884 676790 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1433782378 449149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1433782786 706667 :password2!~password@197.77.94.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433783300 239649 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1433783506 921857 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : .. actually, my brother also keeps saying that it should be `d(dy/dx)/dx', but not `d^2y/dx^2' (in general) < 1433784097 560291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god this is really becoming a saga < 1433784122 276841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did explain the idea behind the d^2y/dx^2 thing last time < 1433784132 852425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more or less completely an abuse of notation < 1433784311 190637 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is all of my thesis < 1433784320 207700 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact the entire field < 1433784748 401668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree that d^2y/dx^2 is wrong. < 1433784870 77801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is d(dy/dx)/dx but you can also expand that into a more complicated form < 1433784881 790101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wait... do you have a thesis about calculus? < 1433784886 723512 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, graph theory < 1433784887 865385 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse < 1433784889 958999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whew < 1433784952 684576 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1433785066 492690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For tar I just use "tar t" or "tar x" or "tar c" though < 1433785154 98489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is different. if you're creating an archive, you have to explicitly tell how to compress of course < 1433785162 569670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't guess in that case < 1433785176 389650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to compress. I will use an external program to compress. < 1433785196 503775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that too < 1433785205 561079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just convenient for me that tar can invoke the external program < 1433785257 70429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, there is no good reason for tar to invoke external programs. (For some programs this is useful, but not for tar) < 1433785301 510623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1433785305 845479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it convenient < 1433785311 996246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's one case when it's essential < 1433785319 469687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the compression case < 1433785340 227545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which case do you mean? < 1433785343 189853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :--checkpoint-action < 1433785368 296444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets tar periodically invoke a program, passing some environment variables, that lets me print a status message of how far tar has got < 1433785379 410356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can see an approximate percentage progress when making large archives < 1433785395 76840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's approximate because I can only give an approximate to the final size < 1433785442 413905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still works well enough in most cases, except when I give a very wrong estimate because I don't count linked files, but tar recognizes them and packs them only once < 1433785451 585958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't a pipe do that too though, if you have a "checkpoint action" program that can invoke the other program (and otherwise just copies input to output)? < 1433785489 249996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that comes up most often when I back up a directory with git executables, which has like a hundred files linked to a large executable) < 1433785494 207473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I guess that could work too < 1433786212 611405 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1433786236 455908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very much enjoying this book "How Not To Be Wrong: The Hidden Maths Of Everyday Life" < 1433786391 377755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use quotient rule to expand "d(dy/dx)/dx" < 1433786723 833492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many hidden maths are there < 1433786895 974494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what sort of things does it discuss? < 1433786996 71647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to check for me on https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml exactly which permissions a logged in user who is not a member of the project is having? < 1433787123 886274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if the "Roadmap" feature of Redmine can be turned off? I am not using that feature in my project. There is a list of modules to enable/disable, but that isn't one of the choices. < 1433787124 871245 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, all of them < 1433787135 359876 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm currently at "Don't assume curves are lines" < 1433787783 570452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433787883 629290 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1433788182 605316 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much macros is too much macros? < 1433788195 621143 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1433788232 480590 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have like, 40 in this thing < 1433788364 763404 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, my sclaing algorithm is based on matching patterns against the local pixels... so I make macros that llow me to write the patterns directy into the code < 1433788394 757378 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you recommend a good, funny LP to watch? < 1433788444 751456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: LP = Let's Play? I'm not sure, because I tend to go for informative rather than amusing < 1433788467 666312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what I do is pick a game I want to learn more about, and then look through a few LPs on YouTube until I find one that doesn't irritate me < 1433788471 444112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, actually < 1433788480 193929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any blind Let's Play of Wario Land 4 makes good watching < 1433788484 684534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look for those every now and then < 1433788493 621193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not particularly funny, it's not like it's a particularly rage-inducing game or anything < 1433788494 586091 :password2!~password@197.77.94.223 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1433788499 321061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like seeing how people solve it < 1433788510 918560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wario land 4 one of my favorite games ever < 1433788553 404085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's great < 1433788587 95093 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1433788597 263229 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really enjoyed 3 too < 1433788634 879708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to think about the Wario Land series is < 1433788649 249928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 and 3 are all liked by over half of players but seriously disliked by a proportion of others < 1433788657 5160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is amazing and hardly anyone dislikes it < 1433788668 129649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is basically 4 but a bit worse, but that doesn't make it a bad game because "4 but a bit worse" is still good < 1433788675 767513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody can remember what 1 is lijke < 1433788677 725584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like < 1433788681 203276 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware there was a 5 < 1433788712 628158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's on the Wii, and called "Wario Land: Shake It!" or "Wario Land: The Shake Dimension" depending on localization < 1433788720 615983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one of the most painfully obvious 4 clones ever < 1433788730 662343 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1433788733 631651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with level design that's a little less inspired, and a different but arguably more interesting moveset < 1433788742 48699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are the unskippable cutscenes part of why some people hate wario land 2 or 3? < 1433788753 863576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean in the gameplay < 1433788761 87051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this the gameboy or the nes games? < 1433788769 229749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a nes wario land < 1433788774 412599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1433788778 808905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a virtual boy version that's apparently really good but hardly anyone has played it < 1433788785 193198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(normally considered to be the /only/ good game on the virtual boy) < 1433788812 573612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surprise because nobody has a virtual boy < 1433788820 781516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I think < 1433788833 263434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the only good game than that's understandible < 1433788837 839890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's because it only has one good game < 1433788854 962346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most consoles have multiple good games < 1433788873 126917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, even the unpopular ones < 1433788879 57197 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wario land 3 was fun because of the way you had to explore old levels < 1433788891 866025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the virtual boy was just basically a terrible idea though, it was an attempt to make a 3D games console before the technology for that existed < 1433788905 297181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: um, you can explore old but changed levels even in wario land 1 < 1433788954 580437 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1433788974 180294 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can't in 2 and I don't think you can in 4? < 1433788980 796597 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've never played 1 < 1433788995 893545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you can replay old levels in 4 but there's no reason to unless you missed collectibles < 1433789003 110958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for fun of course < 1433789039 382395 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about 3 where it's part of the game, though < 1433789072 841598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: in wario land 1, completing some zones can change old levels significantly, so it can be worth to explore them again. you don't strictly have to if you're not going for the best ending, but I think there are collectibles you can access only after a level has changed. < 1433789092 202608 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1433789269 829466 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1433789289 224268 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1433789476 871253 :Elronnd!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm NICK :Elron7zz\ < 1433789489 393557 :Elron7zz\!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm NICK :Elronnd < 1433789546 968152 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1433789716 643329 :Elronnd!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1433789825 533184 :Elronnd!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm JOIN :#esoteric < 1433789915 223938 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1433790218 376852 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1433790442 985043 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1433790676 421730 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1433790684 71349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433790684 851528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :substructural typing/Not to be confused with structural subtyping. < 1433790690 777379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? structural subtyping < 1433790691 566160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with substructural typing. < 1433790716 31057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433790716 939000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly/FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. < 1433790739 615692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is annoyingly true, but I guess is actually about channel regular FireFly ? < 1433790760 598556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I've actually worked with substructural subtyping, I think < 1433790823 697552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FireFly < 1433790824 387121 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. < 1433790844 691861 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom < 1433790845 381359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/"; cat "$F" < 1433790852 738335 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1433790876 168577 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1433790890 222371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1433790890 715098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the channel regular isn't actually a TV series, I think < 1433790890 973175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ < 1433790904 772251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, are you sure < 1433790976 581089 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rnooodl <<<'this is a test' < 1433790977 305852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a test < 1433790982 648557 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1433790983 189243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1433790992 86417 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1433790999 537089 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ngevd < 1433791000 46545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/ngevd: No such file or directory < 1433791000 450754 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fairly sure < 1433791007 384900 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hmmmmm < 1433791034 115402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :` noooodl < 1433791034 667348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1433791041 845773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl < 1433791042 624849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1433791046 391388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl < 1433791048 38612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooodl is the correct spelling < 1433791050 355272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so great < 1433791073 136182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/ngevd < 1433791073 391795 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit excessive to pipe all wisdom through it < 1433791073 722512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd is a fake wisdom entry. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ < 1433791087 454260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who let the fnord out... < 1433791099 35823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1433791099 795463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​i \Lkǻ%W/q^MC < 1433791101 596178 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure fungot did < 1433791101 820702 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: got url? it does almost no computation. < 1433791113 622852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten why it's special cased < 1433791126 432090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1433791127 339744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​)XCT5JSЈ3^ _C9Um.VovR\\FFʂH-/e&[5 8lG D{2Vwa.>J*(bEhD *9@R7Dv|c_.SydNKXST4ϕEn_.hjƎeO=A[qD,M,$i;.6-^1J I2"\XY˯M̲~@CǛbKk ˑ%](@ؿчN~vymFJfPqHی e%1^ ?LA$̀ < 1433791144 926707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should put it back to being a symlink to /dev/urandom, someone's sure to explain it again then < 1433791147 796325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, was causing issues with `pastewisdom < 1433791148 954290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1433791149 520128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ < 1433791169 977782 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was getting to Ngevd then dissolving into random garble evermore < 1433791194 341794 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps fix pastewisdom instead < 1433791217 682377 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-223-069.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1433791259 43477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also causing issues with people doing anything wisdom/*. < 1433791265 297538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ad-hoc grepping through. < 1433791274 819775 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-223-069.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1433791285 137042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or computing statistics, or whatnot. < 1433791398 725596 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair < 1433791454 864634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433791456 907851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth/Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. < 1433791475 997184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433791476 917165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed monad/Indexed monads are just monads on an indexed category. \ Indexed monads are just categories enriched over the monoidal category of endofunctors. < 1433791544 534135 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-223-069.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. ^[%/H didn’t work. < 1433791652 57877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433791654 191359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternooner/fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry. < 1433791656 508403 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod < 1433791758 781451 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1433791759 516888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433791795 777535 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?   < 1433791796 447903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433791818 171371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433791818 878986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anana/ananas is the real pineapple. < 1433791840 227933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433791841 182654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c#/C Pound is Java's good twin. < 1433791850 757247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? java < 1433791851 464606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :java? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433791882 677907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :java sounds like a Tanebvention to me < 1433791902 986067 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn  /  is a space, unless you're hackego and don't understand wide characters. < 1433791904 900622 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned « » < 1433791974 216090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :«quotes» are at least better than ”quotes” and »quotes» < 1433792010 423453 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Finnish_and_Swedish we have the silliest quotation marks < 1433792012 313322 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a whitespace expansion that uses all the invisible characters in unicode < 1433792021 566524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/ < 1433792022 158195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The final frontier. < 1433792027 526827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ./ < 1433792028 287011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: ./: Is a directory < 1433792044 121806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ../../../../../../etc/passwd < 1433792044 749320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​../../../../../../etc/passwd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433792069 42645 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /etc < 1433792069 840944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc: Is a directory < 1433792073 412510 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /etc/passwd < 1433792074 101519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/etc/passwd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433792077 616864 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1433792139 248879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't even exist. < 1433792144 506908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can give absolute paths. < 1433792146 146761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1433792180 813441 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-223-069.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /etc < 1433792181 607405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives \ java-6-openjdk < 1433792198 492146 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /etc/mtab < 1433792199 145594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/etc/mtab? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433792224 803313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /hackego/canary < 1433792225 510753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackego/canary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433792230 511717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1433792232 629778 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1433792233 276280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1433792238 147494 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that was it < 1433792241 954578 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /hackenv/canary < 1433792242 703684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough < 1433792719 986619 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1433792862 408606 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433793301 357798 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1433793366 515097 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1433793513 621087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canary is /executable/? < 1433793519 290771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's a wisdom entry < 1433793524 515543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary < 1433793544 875852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough < 1433793548 330205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary < 1433793549 801800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 6 Jun 6 16:20 canary < 1433793667 627705 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The natural logarithm is the one you always use if you are a mathematician or have e fingers" < 1433793735 36228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "trick" of "exploiting" `? via absolute paths is kind of amusing, given HackEgo. < 1433793753 740879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /dev/random < 1433793784 195892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433793877 781569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ? < 1433793878 490910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: ?: No such file or directory < 1433793880 908815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1433793883 528634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /bin/? < 1433793884 46964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/?: No such file or directory < 1433793901 38147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? exploit < 1433793901 769915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433793905 250534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '?' < 1433793905 959040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ \ /proc/irq/9 \ /proc/irq/8 \ /proc/irq/7 \ /proc/irq/6 \ /proc/irq/5 \ /proc/irq/4 \ /proc/irq/3 \ /proc/irq/2 \ /proc/irq/1 \ /proc/irq/0 \ find: `/proc/tty/driver': Permission denied \ /proc/1 \ /proc/1/task/1 \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permi < 1433793910 313079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh < 1433793911 904659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '\?' < 1433793915 488072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `pwd` < 1433793917 49558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double escaping here we go < 1433793917 263519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`pwd` < 1433793922 98216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1433793922 566099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as you can see there's nothing HackEgo knows about exploits < 1433793930 688716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1433793945 366984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `/proc/tty/driver': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/2/task/2/fd': Permissi < 1433793977 508787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo */? < 1433793978 539937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/` bin/̊ bin/! bin/? bin/¿ bin/' bin/@ bin/؟ bin/ bin/e bin/h bin/q ibin/c ibin/k quines/c quines/q wisdom/` wisdom/ wisdom/? wisdom/@ wisdom/\ wisdom/☃ wisdom/⊥ wisdom/⌨ wisdom/  wisdom/🐐 wisdom/ wisdom/1 wisdom/a wisdom/å wisdom/Å wisdom/c wisdom/i wisdom/k wisdom/ø wisdom/Ø wisdom/u < 1433793983 996984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, int-e changed the canary. < 1433793992 558829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so confused, it was chirp not long ago. < 1433793995 54963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the canary? < 1433794009 24331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just checking ;) < 1433794014 788808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A file. < 1433794018 42854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canary tells you when the mine is broken < 1433794021 98945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it canarying? < 1433794028 940725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433794029 706454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :willkommen/Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! Für weitere Informationen besuchen Sie das Wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf irc.dal.net.) < 1433794043 697759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary < 1433794044 503143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough < 1433794047 614411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1433794049 249823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know the history of the canary file, is it worth checking? < 1433794061 223343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly interesting. < 1433794065 634421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: try to delete it < 1433794081 504241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been chrip, tweet, foo, and now cough. And also empty. < 1433794094 820352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its defining feature is that it exists < 1433794105 380070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can change it arbitrarily otherwise < 1433794110 929829 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it's changed a bit over time... http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log/0c6f3ec8633b/canary < 1433794123 753682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -sf canary canary < 1433794128 844848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: `canary' and `canary' are the same file < 1433794132 71789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's been "now this file will be strangely hard to empty completely" for a while. < 1433794135 332187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1433794144 993529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why won't ln let me make a symlink that points at itself < 1433794151 510546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -sf canary temp-canary < 1433794153 252244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794160 567319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv temp-canary canary < 1433794161 246330 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: `temp-canary' and `canary' are the same file < 1433794175 297242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is it making a /hardlink/? < 1433794181 702875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l temp-canary < 1433794182 565684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:10 temp-canary -> canary < 1433794191 64686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1433794226 611850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mkdir looptest < 1433794229 292070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794233 564519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv temp-canary looptest/canary < 1433794235 349353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794246 977378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv --target-directory=. looptest/canary < 1433794248 146325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794251 503015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary < 1433794253 309328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:12 canary < 1433794274 120914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (cd looptest; mv --target-directory=.. canary) < 1433794275 363244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794278 197754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary < 1433794279 979907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:12 canary < 1433794282 881007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1433794291 476609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the canary being a symlink is impossible for the same reason it can't be deleted < 1433794296 36376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (cd looptest; mv --target-directory=.. canary; ls -l ../canary) < 1433794297 627413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:13 ../canary -> canary < 1433794305 102538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I guess that's it < 1433794306 729615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1433794312 959552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -r looptest < 1433794314 612979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794322 605074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could check, but it might be a "-f test", kind of. < 1433794333 424701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary < 1433794333 627920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's probably what it is < 1433794334 553907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794338 726612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l canary < 1433794342 151297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1433794346 658868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary < 1433794347 393694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:13 canary < 1433794350 554052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see, it didn't work < 1433794352 762799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it give you a "same file" error? < 1433794364 440577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't, they're different files < 1433794375 861855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't when I expressed it in terms of --target-directory < 1433794392 108209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ... if the canary is gone, hackego doesn't commit the changes? < 1433794453 502620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right < 1433794456 662419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (rm canary; ln -sf canary canary; ls -l canary) < 1433794458 71597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:15 canary -> canary < 1433794467 522395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary < 1433794469 727456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 6 Jun 8 20:16 canary < 1433794473 478593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, boring. < 1433794484 835605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can link a nonexistent file to itself? < 1433794487 463706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1433794492 583736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not overwriting one that already exists? < 1433794494 227093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1433794505 953424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I know you can syscall-wise, this is about what ln will and won't do) < 1433794510 559005 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents of a symlink are actually an arbitrary string. < 1433794512 278994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that might just be some kind of a very narrow and explicit check. Although nobody's trying to prevent multi-step loops, so... < 1433794515 48109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know that < 1433794518 932159 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln does not validate the arguments. < 1433794528 242641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:10] `` ln -sf canary canary < 1433794529 259868 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ln *may not* validate the arguments. :)) < 1433794529 818892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:10] ln: `canary' and `canary' are the same file < 1433794537 524960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HackEgo's ln disagrees with you < 1433794555 663068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this was some generic "same file" which was added to all the GNU utilities < 1433794563 239683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without checking to see if it actually made sense < 1433794564 790979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln --version < 1433794565 508946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln (GNU coreutils) 8.13 \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Mike Parker and David MacKenzie. < 1433794566 909779 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's ln is incorrect. < 1433794574 671234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same as my ln. < 1433794585 168271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I didn't know GNU for certain < 1433794593 944728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm canary; mkdir canary < 1433794595 892353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `canary': Is a directory \ mkdir: cannot create directory `canary': File exists < 1433794604 987493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a good guess, partly based on probability, parltly based on the fact that it quotes like `this' < 1433794609 807958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1433794612 204282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The reasons for that message are ridiculous. < 1433794612 980112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld canary < 1433794613 188681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls canary < 1433794613 948092 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Jun 8 20:18 canary < 1433794614 125616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794621 989009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I puzzled that out; it's the two-step commit. < 1433794626 382619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think we've discussed them before. < 1433794629 796765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Although I've forgotten the details. < 1433794634 551288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what is canary /actually/ in the FS? < 1433794646 287846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's a directory. < 1433794653 642338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the message is confusing, because it's from the second iteration. < 1433794660 737649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1433794677 215322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s .. canary/canary < 1433794679 76609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794683 575869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's a directory that contains itself < 1433794688 624195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as close as I can get to what I was aiming to do < 1433794707 828327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh < 1433794711 644375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could we exploit this to delete the canary < 1433794727 946862 :Elronnd!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :a directory that contains itself doesn't work < 1433794732 295943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not, because from what I recall, the second iteration is strictly for the output. < 1433794737 70547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls canary/canary/canary/canary < 1433794739 80365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a.o \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ lib \ MaFV \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ py.py \ quines \ quotes \ random_elliott \ real \ script.py \ share \ src \ twolines \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom < 1433794744 311485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -d canary/test canary < 1433794744 530886 :Elronnd!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs will complain about "too many of symbolic link" < 1433794744 925692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `canary/test': No such file or directory < 1433794748 52515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1433794752 596527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -d canary canary/test < 1433794753 252120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: failed to create hard link `canary/test' => `canary': Operation not permitted < 1433794753 867430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -sf . canary/canary < 1433794754 563347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: `.' and `canary/canary/.' are the same file < 1433794762 916676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm canary/canary < 1433794764 626154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794765 883424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -sf . canary/canary < 1433794768 104079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1433794772 233100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls canary/canary/canary/canary < 1433794772 977339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary < 1433794774 70427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did that hg bug ever get fixed? < 1433794774 837895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1433794791 894636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've forgotten the details of that, too. < 1433794803 245224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have I, but you filed a bug about it. < 1433794821 961151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh. That rings a bell. < 1433794827 921020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/pull-request/3/fix-repository-cleanup-wrt-spaces-in-paths/diff < 1433794844 474547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, 2012 zzo38: Did you ever finish your Magic: The Gathering software? < 1433794853 250624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some kind of a patch, but there might have been some uncertainty whether it was throgouh enough. < 1433794864 257719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ? < 1433794890 241751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 was before I ever played Magic: The Gathering. < 1433794893 971498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1433794903 96130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zzo38 had a programming language based on it or something. < 1433794970 478932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-03-18.txt < 1433794997 250767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you but I wonder why you brought it up. < 1433794999 288010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I actually found it interesting because the idea is still around < 1433795596 370321 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1433796455 683379 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized. Performing mathematical proofs using restricted axioms is cross-platform development. < 1433796777 263128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how profound that statement sounds < 1433797087 94107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1433797245 937598 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1433797394 533783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1433797406 555444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, and in theory it could be useful for portability if we meet alien species that have developped mathematics before they learnt it from us < 1433798046 443851 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aliens who, for some reason, developed a type of mathematics besides classical mathematics. < 1433798206 163707 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they consider negation to be a very strange and advanced concept. < 1433798295 458762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>aliens having mathematics comprehensible to us < 1433798296 101268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1433798482 852605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I met an alien, and found that they didn't know about "our" mathematics, I would wonder why the heck not. < 1433798495 548906 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only so insane they can get without losing physics. < 1433798542 722014 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I wonder how mathematics would have developed in a universe with no concept of space or quantity. < 1433798556 646751 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all bets are off if we meet said alien species in a context where they're not likely to have cause for much in the way of physics) < 1433798597 157606 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too hard to imagine a universe with no concept of space. It's harder to imagine a universe with no concept of quantity. < 1433798609 309130 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, a universe where the concept of quantity is relatively useless. < 1433798641 145085 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be a universe where everything is unique, and so it doesn't make any sense to have "two of something". < 1433798706 543404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where whenever you divide things into classes, there are necessarily infinitely many classes and infinitely many things in each class. < 1433798777 978410 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a universe that's very small, and so it doesn't contain very many of anything? There are still quantities, but all of them are very small. < 1433798809 839606 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a universe consisting entirely of two incorporeal people. < 1433798891 478322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a universe where everyone is a humanities student < 1433798938 913163 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1433799310 806231 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1433800482 383764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn universal property/Universal properties are the best. < 1433800484 347504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «universal property» < 1433800507 906718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dino < 1433800508 560735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dino? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1433800545 409350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1433800552 560627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads/Monads are just free monad monad monad algebras. < 1433800586 506581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? C++ < 1433800587 336713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with C, C++ is a language for smart people. < 1433800630 927782 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1433800684 108564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, while I can imagine an alien culture having much of the same mathematics as us I cannot see it having the same notation < 1433800723 946704 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting... < 1433800730 922165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: exactly. and even if they have the same mathematics actually, but with very different notation, we have to prove rigorously that the two mathematics are the same, < 1433800747 520558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, prove that their integers are exactly the same as our integers, etc. < 1433800761 934433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the portability comes in. < 1433800783 245015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And very often, the two mathematics won't be the same, but only equivalent. < 1433800788 532053 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be a completely diferent system, based on qualities and influence, perhaps and less on quantity as something is quantifiable < 1433800794 179535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to find and prove what the equivalences are exactly. < 1433800848 729145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one also think that they'd probably have our mathematics, but it might take a lot of time to figure out how their notation corresponds to ours and find the equivalences. < 1433800911 833489 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to believe that an advanced culture doesnt have the need for such complexity in their number systems < 1433800935 830832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemurian, unfortunately, we are the most advanced culture we know about < 1433800972 794884 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a head strong assumption to say humanity is the most advanced culture, < 1433801006 314604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly the most advanced culture that I know about < 1433801050 327729 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here, but then again our exposure to off-planet culture is virtually non-existant, < 1433801170 65439 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is, our sample size of advanced cultures is 1 < 1433801191 372281 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only assumption we can make of that is that the way we do things is certainly a way to do things < 1433801203 20163 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1433801222 239464 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1433801230 22496 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it stands to reason that another advanced culture could do maths in a similar way to us < 1433801249 898940 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1433801257 953197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as people have probably thought very hard about this, other ways to do mathematics seem not to really exist < 1433801275 76611 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i feel it's deeper than just thinking really hard < 1433801278 167178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least not be particularly useful < 1433801307 18651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemurian: I didn't necessarily say off-planet < 1433801318 394845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I include alien future species on Earth < 1433801349 61471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very likely that we'll meet such species, and even if we will, they might have learnt maths from us < 1433801362 333043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying I don't insist on off-planet < 1433801431 487500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the important part isn't that other ways of doing maths doesn't exist, but that we believe that our way of doing maths actually exists, up to equivalence < 1433801448 441954 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a belief system < 1433801577 283944 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which begs to imply perhaps the physical world which humanity has designed and been architect to, our physical world is only as good as the math systems behind it, and behind any number system are beings who give meaning to that number system, it's as if we are creating mathmatics all of our own projections based on the belief in those systsms as they are agreed upon between beings < 1433801614 983967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1433801647 819831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, doesn't our way of doing maths trivially exist? < 1433801751 570288 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key question is whether you can be productive without pythagoras < 1433801770 763336 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer to that is also trivially yes < 1433801771 344457 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1433801775 942316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: we don't know it's internally consistent < 1433801784 806500 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist < 1433801803 121765 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1433801817 950073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wrong answer is still an answer < 1433801822 777261 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just perspective < 1433801847 70968 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one two thre, one of something, then two of that something, and so on < 1433801858 843047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we achieve SETI with only naive set theory? < 1433801870 358529 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the influence of that individual item being quantified < 1433801878 341305 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is another perspective < 1433801901 374566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Could we achieve SETI with only naive set theory? < 1433801901 803779 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe so Taneb, it would just look different < 1433801903 762270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1242) Could we achieve SETI with only naive set theory? < 1433801911 779568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's not the way of doing maths that matters here, but the maths we got. the question is whether that maths exists, as in, that it's always existed and we're just discovering it, rather than inventing something new. < 1433801919 496501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :always existed as in timelessly < 1433801985 294461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, this is dangerously close to philosophy < 1433802001 686555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1433802012 161542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think, whatever alien monsters are studying mathematics, must figure out the same kind of things although it might come out in an entirely different way, completely different notations (if there are any notations at all!), and perhaps might not consider natural numbers as "natural", but it is still going to be the same natural numbers even if it isn't "natural". < 1433802034 128297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless natural numbers are a common thing that can get in the mathematics < 1433802101 152990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example in category theory you have the finite discrete categories, which add, multiply, exponent just like they are natural numbers.) < 1433802144 96615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that is my opinion. (I don't know everything, either.) < 1433802179 304523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I find that nonnegative integers are the most common sorts of numbers that I find naturally arising out of esolangs < 1433802187 702183 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good to philosophize and konversate < 1433802192 320678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't like saying "natural number" beacuse that's ambiguous) < 1433802200 402148 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from time to time, anyway' < 1433802242 127209 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unnatural < 1433802243 119034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1241) after a while doing esolangs, you kind-of forget negative numbers exist they're so unnatural < 1433802262 482571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good quote, because I didn't realise the pun at the time < 1433802273 485808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well obviously, they're the free monoid on one variable < 1433802278 380689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the easiest thing that exists < 1433802296 382645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people might have different opinions of "the easiest thing that exists" < 1433802303 874032 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I know some who would argue that they are in fact the free semigroup on one variable < 1433802312 68233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to go more specific, my belief is that the first chapters of the Book is an introduction to mathematics in a way that's equivalent to ours, though it might be using very different notation, and of course later chapters of the Book contain mathematics in all other notations too. < 1433802319 511482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK #esoteric please tell me whether monoids and semigroups are the same thing or not < 1433802323 846363 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1433802324 322115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even contains mathematics that isn't too natural. < 1433802332 52235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think they aren't < 1433802335 555028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen multiple opinions on each side < 1433802336 876554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, monoids are semigroups that have the property of identity < 1433802339 384685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they aren't, then what is the difference? < 1433802346 450508 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are not < 1433802346 660963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, semigroups don't have an identity? < 1433802351 477848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not neccessarily < 1433802353 458348 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't have to < 1433802355 624481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1433802371 2889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it an overloaded term like "ring" where some people assume an identity < 1433802372 90996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1433802372 366314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're basically just things that are associative and have no other properties? < 1433802377 899064 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1433802379 78710 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1433802382 151342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings have two identities :-P < 1433802392 302414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rings half precisely 1.8 identities < 1433802401 271260 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: possibly; I've never heard it said that semi-groups have identities, but wouldn't be shocked if people assume it < 1433802405 36310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant is that it might be considered not as natural at all except those who would study mathematics a lot might think it "natural" in those contexts otherwise you probably won't. But, I agree that it would be the most common to "naturally arise" from many kind of mathematical things. < 1433802407 414392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1433802411 642185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not overloaded < 1433802416 827700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never means identity required < 1433802422 649872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we have "monoid" for that < 1433802430 575340 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure < 1433802431 393379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely, I would think, even alien monsters and whatever else, would figure that out too. < 1433802435 333584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, we also have ZZ-modulus to mean a ring with identity < 1433802445 165622 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, or "ring with identity" < 1433802457 925560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nah, that's too many syllables, people are lazy < 1433802467 128897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-module is only two syllables < 1433802474 918981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1433802476 334290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :three < 1433802478 175730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not two < 1433802479 294739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1433802509 578178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think natural numbers are the set recursively defined as N := finite sequence of N < 1433802524 72194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might not even have a word (if they have words at all) for subtraction, other than "inverse of addition", for example. < 1433802536 404226 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1433802537 281492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with that definition, then you need to define the set, sequence, finite, etc < 1433802638 911458 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1433802692 44156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in some stuff in mathematics the "infinite natural numbers" arise just as well as proper natural numbers would < 1433802754 262052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of infinite natural numbers? < 1433802796 942897 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-sydnbgwphgvswnoe QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1433802883 817817 :lemurian!~sh4n3@cpe-76-176-39-124.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would imply the kind that increase or decrease endlessly in either direction < 1433802898 304488 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-trkfixoqbdgltjxc JOIN :#esoteric < 1433803054 716496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other stuff there is the proper natural numbers which aren't infinite < 1433803075 90342 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural numbers that allow infinity do not have induction < 1433803148 102733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is not actually natural numbers, I know, it hasn't the induction (unless you can make the kind that does have induction? I don't quite know) < 1433803230 590289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In category theory you have finite discrete categories, and then there are also infinite discrete categories, and categories which are not discrete categories, but you can still add, multiply, exponent. < 1433803253 416250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could also define factorial as a category of bijective endofunctors < 1433803256 36707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's that bug again. whew. < 1433803267 754136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just some bug in my own stuff) < 1433803282 876866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was some other problem. < 1433803315 991637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, if you have real numbers, you also have the natural numbers because you have the multiplicative and additive identity and you can repeatedly add it up, multiply, exponent, and work just like natural numbers, too. < 1433803392 94283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also many other examples of how you will arise natural numbers out of mathematics, probably including many that I don't know, and perhaps other people also don't know yet < 1433803413 107096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? What do *you* think??? < 1433804125 718770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:44c2:a85f:0:fd4e:311e:aa7a:75c8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IVN is terrible < 1433804147 589484 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've discovered how to define a mathematical textbook. < 1433804158 51674 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mathematical textbook is a mathematical paper which contains at least one exercise. < 1433804209 192177 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I can imagine an alien culture failing to define the concept of an infinite set. < 1433804222 688329 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather, failing to define the concept of a set in such a way that there exist infinite sets.) < 1433804250 976071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but maybe there must be some mathematical way to do it, but perhaps what seems obviously to them is something quite different to our own. < 1433804295 492623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd express Euclid's theorem the way that Euclid did. < 1433804303 244494 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For every set of prime numbers, there is a prime number not in the set." < 1433804325 335105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that is a way < 1433804354 41850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good too < 1433805864 589488 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1433806804 189668 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zwaoydpnchcoxjkd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1433807227 116048 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had a phone technical interview < 1433807250 524956 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is the command to tell what directory you are in?" < 1433807294 319645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On UNIX it is pwd and on DOS/Windows it is CD < 1433807299 354293 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is the difference between TCP and UDP?" < 1433807305 311626 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know < 1433807317 617719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the difference between TCP and UDP? < 1433807339 354780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One time I had a job interview where they probably decided not to hire me because I said wrong things about TCP. < 1433807349 209168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. < 1433807350 248080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: see https://rekrowten.wordpress.com/list-of-network-jokes/ < 1433807361 137544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the TCP & UDP section < 1433807396 246883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1433807668 61343 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1433807955 637297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm where is boily