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00:02:18 <Sgeo_> What do you think of an XML language where this is a valid element?
00:02:19 <Sgeo_> <Color color="1 1 1, 0 0 0, "/>
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00:05:58 <zzo38> What XML-based format is that?
00:06:18 <Sgeo_> It's meant to be two colors, at least, but still very string parsing
00:07:07 <zzo38> I don't really like XML much, JSON and RDF are generally better
00:07:22 <Sgeo_> Well, it was meant to replace VRML, which was its own custom thing
00:07:40 <Sgeo_> But it basically seems to take VRML and wrap it in slightly XMLish clothes
00:08:19 <oren> I prefer colors to be 6 character hex codes
00:08:55 <oren> or css color names
00:09:19 <zzo38> I still think that a JSON-based or RDF-based system might be better
00:09:24 <zzo38> I also prefer the hex codes
00:17:53 <HackEgo> hom-set/Hom-sets are just sets of morphisms between two objects.
00:19:51 <boily> Sgello_. is X3D similar to AMF?
00:20:53 <Sgeo_> I don't know what AMF is
00:25:50 <HackEgo> isomorphism/isomorphism is isomorphic to Phantom_Hoover up to isomorphism.
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00:36:58 <HackEgo> PrinceW3: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
00:37:30 <PrinceW3> Hey, who is the owner or admin of esolangs?
00:38:22 <PrinceW3> I found an esoteric joke language
00:40:22 <PrinceW3> That I think should be added to esolangs.org
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00:41:02 <shachaf> esolangs.org is a wiki. Anyone can add a language.
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00:45:18 <HackEgo> bike/Bike is from Luxembourg.
00:45:26 <HackEgo> plugh/A hollow voice says "Plugh"
00:45:29 <HackEgo> test/test failed. HackEgo-JUnit is not available.
00:45:44 <boily> I think I'm the one who added plugh...
00:46:00 <HackEgo> changeset: 4147:642bcf901052 \ user: HackBot \ date: Fri Dec 06 16:51:20 2013 +0000 \ summary: <boily> echo \'A hollow voice says "Plugh"\' >wisdom/plugh
00:46:09 <shachaf> Imagine: Today you'd just use le/rn.
00:46:37 <boily> the Olden Ways were better. nah.
00:46:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Joke language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43187&oldid=43093 * 96.59.227.171 * (+70) added QKAS
00:46:53 <boily> young'uns with their convenience learns...
00:47:11 <oren> how do you pronounce 'hg'?
00:47:26 <oren> like the word 'hug'
00:47:38 <shachaf> i pronounce a lot of things like that word, though
00:48:31 <boily> hg is pronounced about the same way as hth is hth
00:56:02 <oren> you have no chance to survive make your time
00:56:36 <HackEgo> wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute."/
01:00:15 <HackEgo> inverness/Inverness is a city in Scotland. The ring road isn't multiplicative.
01:00:25 <boily> `wisdom PinealGlandOptic
01:00:26 <HackEgo> tmyk/tmyk the more overfilled your brain gets.
01:00:36 <HackEgo> Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, therefore making it a class 6 vegetable.
01:00:53 <boily> but then, does this mean...
01:00:58 <boily> `? PinealGlandOptic
01:00:59 <HackEgo> PinealGlandOptic? ¯\(°_o)/¯
01:01:30 <boily> PinealGlandOptic: OHAAAAAAAAAAAAAI~~~! you aren't descripted. please to provide something descriptionful hth
01:05:46 <zzo38> I thought Hg is actually "mercury"?
01:07:45 <boily> Hg is mercury. Fe is iron. ketchup is a vegetable.
01:17:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[QKAS]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43188 * 96.59.227.171 * (+1704) Created page with "|name=QKAS |author=Prince |year=[[:Category:2015|2015]] |influence=[[QWERTY%Keyboard%Dot%Language]] '''QKAS''' was made in 2015 by a user simply known as "Prince". The idea ..."
01:18:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[QKAS]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43189&oldid=43188 * 96.59.227.171 * (-38)
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02:45:14 <oren> how many jobs should I apply for at once?
02:45:28 <oren> is 15 too many?
02:46:07 <oren> I've apllied for 5 so far
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03:28:25 <oren> apparently americans don
03:28:36 <oren> 't refer to the hydro as the hydro
03:31:44 <oerjan> hydro is a norwegian company hth
03:32:07 <oren> in canada the hydro means the electric company
03:32:32 <oren> like "my hydro bill was high this month"
03:33:45 <oerjan> it would be a reasonably name in norway which is something like 90% (ref: thin air) hydro
03:34:08 <pikhq> Is hydroelectric power that common in Canada?
03:34:34 <oren> Yeah, something like 70% of the watershed of quebec is dammed
03:34:41 <pikhq> Or do you just pretend it's hydroelectric when really you're generating power by burning the husks of huffed kittens?
03:35:03 <oerjan> i'm not sure what we call it nowadays after all the privatization (each of us pays two companies, one for the actual power and one for the lines)
03:35:49 <oerjan> and there are lot of companies to choose between
03:36:15 <oren> What the hell! In America, the don't have smarties, and rockets are called smarties
03:36:38 <oerjan> (for the power. the line is generally fixed, i suppose.)
03:37:22 <oerjan> well, i think smarties is some kind of chocolatey candy here
03:37:57 <oren> right, that's what they are in Canada
03:38:14 <oren> they are a tastier version of M&M's
03:39:05 <oerjan> i don't think we have rockets (at least by that name) or M&Ms
03:39:35 <oerjan> we have M, which are chocolate-covered peanuts.
03:40:06 * oerjan has some of those in the fridge
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03:40:25 <pikhq> M&Ms are just chocolates with a candy shell.
03:40:38 <pikhq> (with some varieties, like peanut M&Ms, that have stuff in 'em.)
03:41:31 * oerjan vaguely wonders if M is why they aren't trying to advertise M&Ms in norway
03:41:43 <oerjan> well, that i've noticed, anyway
03:42:41 <oerjan> i recall from back when i visited the us some M&M ad about an M&M trying to look blue by holding its breath
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06:37:53 <oren> what is this i don't even
06:39:33 <oerjan> does that mean you odd?
06:49:39 <oren> i'm just watching some crazy Thai music video featuring hitler
06:50:04 <oren> I can't believe this thing even exists
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06:51:16 <oren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRxCUZp8Bg
06:52:07 <oren> I mean they even incorporate the Nazi salute into their Parapara routine. what. the. fuck.
07:02:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sparr * New user account
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09:13:04 <myname> is unifunge considered tc?
09:16:26 <b_jonas> myname: yes. it has random access read and write statements, and enough statements to build conditionals and a loop
09:18:03 <myname> but can you do nested loops with only regular #?
09:33:46 <zzo38> How can you know for sure if some of the coincidences about Lincoln and Kennedy were not deliberately executed by Oswald's employer? (Even if it is, probably not all of them)
09:54:13 <FireFly> myname: do you mean unefunge-98? It has j which allows for arbitrary jumps
10:00:03 <myname> FireFly: why isn't it defined in the wiki
10:00:56 <FireFly> Because the article on Befunge covers B93
10:01:00 <FireFly> Try http://quadium.net/funge/spec98.html
10:02:03 <zzo38> Maybe you can add the Befunge-98 stuff into wiki too then
10:02:32 <FireFly> Well, the wiki points to the spec under external links
10:03:20 <FireFly> I don't know if it's necessary to mirror it on the wiki
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11:33:24 <zzo38> Why do D-Link router setting files are encrypted anyways? I did find out it is easy to decrypt; the C code is: i=0; while((c=fgetc(stdin))!=EOF) putchar(c-i++);
11:33:53 <zzo38> The result is a XML file that contains a comment telling you not to edit this file
11:35:08 <mroman_> what happens to negative values?
11:35:50 <ais523> mroman_: I think putchar has an effective internal mod-256 in most implementations
11:36:53 <zzo38> Even if your implementation doesn't you can put in (c-i++)&255
11:57:54 <fizzie> ais523: mroman_: On every standards-compliant implementation. (Well, technically an internal mod-(2 to the power of CHAR_BIT), but anyway.)
11:57:57 <fizzie> "-- writes the character specified by c (converted to an unsigned char) --" (C11 7.21.7.3p2), and that's what conversion from signed to unsigned does.
12:01:56 <fizzie> D-Link is not the only brand, I think I recently ran across a router that had three different ecryption methods (of varying complexity) which could all be independently applied to NVRAM keys.
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12:02:16 <fizzie> And another one where the firmware images were xor'd with some pattern.
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14:08:58 <J_Arcane> http://blog.circleci.com/its-the-future/
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14:37:23 <mroman_> fizzie: Well you gotta protect your IP.
14:41:37 <int-e> 127.0.0.1 is MINE!
14:48:55 <fizzie> Speaking of IP, I heard that there was a nice bump in IPv6 connectivity metrics back in Finland.
14:48:58 <fizzie> https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php?metric=p&timeforward=&timebackward=&country=fi
14:49:04 <fizzie> That's quite a deviation from the projection.
14:50:12 <fizzie> They had some sort of "National IPv6 launch day" yesterday: https://www.viestintavirasto.fi/en/ipv6now/index.html
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14:58:03 <AndoDaan> Can hardware be "esoteric"? http://www.sciencealert.com/engineers-have-created-a-computer-that-operates-on-water-droplets
15:02:35 <zzo38> Probably I think so?
15:05:39 <AndoDaan> I guess if you'd invented a programming language that acted like water and could compute stuff, it'd be considered esoteric.
15:08:02 <int-e> esoteric or not, it's pretty cool
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15:14:08 <zzo38> The Redmine service I am currently using for AmigaMML is said they will discontinue it soon (I don't know when or how soon); now what shall I do about this?
15:14:16 <tswett> Sgeo_: well, <color>1 1 1, 0 0 0</color> would definitely be better, imo.
15:14:53 <tswett> <colors><color red="1" green="1" blue="1"/><color red="0" green="0" blue="0"/></colors> would be somewhat easier to take in, but it's also really verbose.
15:16:11 <tswett> oren: I'd say apply for as many jobs as you feel like, but be very careful about applying for multiple jobs at the same company.
15:16:19 <tswett> It may be a good idea. It may be a bad idea.
15:17:17 <tswett> Applying for 15 jobs is definitely not excessive.
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15:20:59 <zzo38> The other way is by RDF such as: [ :colors ("1 1 1"^^C:drgb "0 0 0"^^C:drgb) ]
15:23:17 <zzo38> So the node has the list of two colors, white and black.
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18:39:53 <pikhq> Whoooo; hiring committee approved.
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19:33:47 <fizzie> In my case, I didn't hear pretty much anything about how my interviews went, except after the final decision.
19:34:32 <fizzie> Also when they had decided, the recruiter sent an email saying only "I have some news, when could I call?", which I think was a bit of a tease.
19:36:52 <b_jonas> pikhq: good, what will you work at?
19:37:03 <ais523> fizzie: they might not be allowed to put that sort of information in email
19:38:31 <fizzie> ais523: Mmmaybe. Or they might just have a policy of giving the answer in person.
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19:40:39 <fizzie> They're quite famous for not telling you why you weren't hired if you're not accepted, or so I've heard (primarily from people complaining about not being able to know what they need to improve on). I think the speculation was that it's due to fear of lawsuits, but I don't know.
19:43:35 <pikhq> They also haven't formally handed me a job offer yet.
19:43:42 <pikhq> fizzie: That's pretty common though.,
19:44:16 <pikhq> (the hiring commitee is pretty much the last step to be *worried* about, but there's still some HR paperwork to put together before it's official)
19:44:35 <pikhq> b_jonas: Don't know yet.
19:45:32 <fizzie> I think it's also technically possible to fail the higher-level reviews, it's just pretty rare.
19:45:54 <fizzie> There was the compensation committee to actually decide the offer, and some "executive review" or something.
19:45:54 <int-e> . o O ( http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-11-07 )
19:46:56 <pikhq> fizzie: The compensation committee isn't really allowed to say "no" though.
19:47:08 <pikhq> Executive review can say "no", but it's pretty rare.
19:47:14 <pikhq> Like I said, last step to be worried about.
19:47:31 <pikhq> It'd have to be something like "one of my references said I was secretly terrible" or something.
19:47:57 <pikhq> Google, Mountain View campus.
19:48:17 <fizzie> I was given the impression that it can also be something like "due to business reasons", but even more rarely.
19:48:19 <olsner> is there any special department for #esoteric concerns?
19:48:35 <pikhq> olsner: Not to my knowledge.
19:48:35 <olsner> iirc we have >=3 if you get in
19:48:51 <fizzie> olsner: There's an internal code golf site, that's kind of tangentially related to the channel.
19:48:58 <fizzie> olsner: Although the language support is pretty mainstream.
19:49:39 <fizzie> #anagol had something like 8 Googlers on it, which I only learned of recently.
19:56:56 <olsner> how many ircers are there, and how many googlers, and how big the intersection?
19:58:09 <fizzie> My immediate colleagues aren't ircers, but that's in no way a uniform sampling.
19:58:23 <ais523> so I take it fizzie works for Google now, then?
19:59:21 <fizzie> I also live in London, if you hadn't heard. :)
19:59:40 <olsner> ah, you didn't end up in the US
19:59:57 <olsner> incidentally, where is fungot?
20:00:15 <fizzie> It's the strange thing.
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20:00:43 <fizzie> It's still "connected" (as in, the the read call hasn't failed), but it's not getting anything in.
20:01:01 <fizzie> Normally it goes "IRC read failed" at some point, but occasionally it gets stuck like this.
20:01:51 <fizzie> I've been thinking of making it auto-restart (with a max-retry or exponential backoff or something), but haven't bothered to, partially due to the fact that it wouldn't help in this stuck case.
20:02:04 <fizzie> Although more because of lazy.
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20:02:34 <olsner> you could add another irc bot that connects and checks if fungot is connected otherwise kills and restarts fungot
20:02:34 <fungot> olsner: you argument fails because ( n-1) in self 5, 6, 7, 5, 5 13 5 6
20:02:55 <fizzie> Can't argue with that, mostly because it makes no sense.
20:03:08 <olsner> indeed, I don't know how to argue with that
20:03:25 <olsner> fungot: you're wrong because bot, and also because I am right
20:03:26 <fungot> olsner: bf does sockets? i think they do stuff like drawing things like lines, and it's fnord est here, so that's your trick :)). i think i'm probably a bit ambitious of me to play
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20:15:26 <oren> olsner: >=3 looks like an angry cat emoticon
20:15:37 <oren> orn an evil cat emoticon
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21:28:32 <zzo38> I tried to make the program similar to the "mode" function in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/csound/csound/develop/Opcodes/biquad.c but mine has no fixed sample rate; rather the frequency is given relative to the fundamental frequency of the note. But, the note is a bit not tuned! Why is that?
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21:44:06 <zzo38> "THE ONLY TELEPHONE IN ALL OF HELL! LOCAL CALLS ONLY, PLEASE." What kind of trope is that called?
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21:55:57 <int-e> I'm going to opt for http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind ... because it's not quite completely wrong.
21:57:24 <zzo38> I suppose "last of his kind" won't be quite completely wrong, but it doesn't look quite right either, isn't it?
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21:59:55 <nys> Last Of His Sort
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22:15:57 <Sgeo_> tswett, that trailing comma was optional, but afaik allowed
22:19:23 <boily> @tell oerjan hellørjan!
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22:25:55 <boily> Sgello_. that is an atrocity. you should've written ø̈rjan.
22:27:13 * boily tries to mapole Sgeo_ without laughing
22:27:38 <boily> quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA!
22:27:50 <Sgeo_> http://www.reddit.com/r/ooer
22:27:56 <boily> I read page 4 of the ONUW. wow.
22:28:28 <boily> Sgeo_: http://www.reddit.com/r/ooerintensifies
22:30:19 <lambdabot> boily said 10m 56s ago: hellørjan!
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22:56:25 <oerjan> int-e: hi the last panel of today's GG worries me
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22:58:36 <oerjan> argh is int-e idle or absent i'm not good with this patience thing
22:59:14 <oerjan> right, i was supposed to have some chocolate. blood sugar ->
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23:44:59 <boily> oerjan: is your blood sugared enough now?
23:53:47 <oren> I like how the diacritics impinge on the previous line
23:57:59 <boily> helloren. the diacritics are linear here hth
23:59:32 <boily> http://imgur.com/09QOBBu