00:00:42 DLE = Data Link Escape; Cause the following octets to be interpreted as raw data, not as control codes or graphic characters. Returning to normal usage would be implementation dependent. 00:06:12 Soon the government is going to use preloaded HSTS to spy on people. 00:08:19 zzo38: Ah, sure. 00:08:28 So DLE escapes the next octet. 00:08:49 Has the especially nice property that your control codes are essentially unused. 00:09:53 pikhq: Yes, that's much of the reasoning too, that I have. 00:10:12 While ESC isn't used *much*, it at least is used *at all*. 00:14:32 -!- mihow_ has quit (Quit: mihow_). 00:16:49 -!- mihow has joined. 00:32:20 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 00:40:39 [wiki] [[User:Kingofthenerdz3]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43223 * Kingofthenerdz3 * (+16) Created page with "Nothing for now." 00:52:25 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:55:19 -!- boily has quit (Quit: COPLANAR CHICKEN). 01:30:50 Do you think this is OK designing project management system? http://sprunge.us/OZPW 01:31:48 what is the purpose of the dummy? 01:32:36 To force SQLite to create a SHARED lock on the database. Normally, locks are deferred; you can create an immediate lock on the database but this is only for writing, not possible for reading. 01:32:49 ahhh ok 01:33:09 I've thought about similar stuff for postgres 01:33:28 the combination of linear and nonlinear permissions seems strange 01:33:41 especially because the version permissions are in increments of 50 01:44:47 That's just in case other stuff needs to be added later on, although I could use bits instead I suppose 01:59:18 zzo38: why use Julian dates rather than Unix timestamps? 02:02:48 maybe the thing is 32 bits? 02:35:47 coppro: SQLite uses Julian dates normally, that's why 02:37:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:40:49 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:51:12 What is the duration of the sun minus the hyposinute multiplied by the square root of a circle without any area plus the meaning of life minus 31? 03:28:37 That is a title of one Hero Heart puzzle I made. Other titles are "Painting the roses^Whearts red", "SUPERMAN IS DEAD Heartland!", "I do not like this word 'bomb'", "Let's throw grenades at each other!", "What Happens When You Have Too Much Money", "Generating solutions of Einstein's field equations by typing mistakes", "Oops! How are you supposed to play Hero Hearts if the hearts are upside-down?", etc. 03:39:32 The puzzles themself are strange too; in one puzzle it is necessary to throw a grenade at an empty field, in another it is necessary to throw a grenade into the water (resulting in a message "That was a waste of a good grenade! Who taught you how to throw a grenade?"), in another level it is necessary to hit a heart with a missile (resulting in a message "Now that you have so smartly blown up that heart, it is impossible to solve this level. Sorry!" 03:41:50 -!- nys has quit (Quit: quit). 03:42:05 The messages themself are important in this case; if the rules of the game were modified to supporess these messages then the level would be impossible to solve. 03:42:41 When you do Magic: the Gathering, we also have to do stuff even more strange than that! 03:44:21 Do you like to make up any Magic: the Puzzling, please? 03:48:26 -!- Herbalist has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:11:14 -!- password2_ has joined. 04:15:34 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 04:37:23 -!- MDude has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:37:51 [wiki] [[Ye Olde Alchemist]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43224 * Kingofthenerdz3 * (+1701) Created page with "Ye Olde Alchemist is a esolang by [[User:Kingofthenerdz3]].It is still an idea in development.Programs are are ancient alchemical recipes.It is influenced by Chef. ==How it ..." 04:38:43 Is there any way to disable HSTS in clients that support it other than editing the executable file to change the name of the header into one that isn't a header name it is actually capable of receiving? 04:39:10 [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Kingofthenerdz3 * moved [[Ye Olde Alchemist]] to [[Esolang:Ye Olde Alchemist]] 04:39:32 [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir * Kingofthenerdz3 * moved [[Esolang:Ye Olde Alchemist]] to [[Ye Olde Alchemist]] over redirect 04:39:51 There are several problems with HSTS, including privacy issues. 04:41:58 -!- Wallacoloo has joined. 04:57:45 zzo38, any more detail? 04:58:20 Well, I get the point about the privacy issue I think 04:58:46 Can make arbitrary domains that you set HSTS or not on and that stores a bit per domain, right? 04:58:54 Yes, that is a part of it 04:59:30 But you can also use the expiry times to do stuff 05:00:08 It also prevents you from manually overriding, from defining your own proxies that would intercept it, and other problems 05:00:19 HSTS is just a bad design in general. 05:23:15 A lot of people know neither good security nor good software design. Some hotels have elevators that you need a keycard, in order to prevent thieves from coming in, but the actual effect is the opposite; they can come in just fine if someone else is in, or use the stairs, or steal someone's keycard and find their room much more easily than if the elevator did not require a keycard. 05:26:46 Web-browser software is also, just way too complicated to be any good. 05:42:10 -!- password2_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:43:08 zzo38: agreed, DLE (= control-P) makes more sense to escape the next char, it's already used as such in some cases 05:43:12 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:44:06 b_jonas: Yes I know that some programs use that already 06:06:37 I think locally installed certificates can override HSTS 06:07:13 If not, at least Chrome lets you delete HSTS entries 06:07:31 I saw that, but it says you can't delete preloaded entries 06:08:40 At work tomorrow I might try intercepting Google with Charles and see what happens 06:08:47 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 06:08:47 Don't have Charles on this machine 06:09:02 You also can't disable it, either for certain domains or for everything. Better would be in a kind of about:config stuff you can specify the default HSTS mode (force on, force off, use headers, try insecure), and for each domain you can also define the HSTS modes. 06:09:28 zzo38: but the problem here is not the HSTS, it's that the https is enforced on server side 06:09:53 b_jonas, in a sane world, sure 06:09:54 with apparently no specific way to overrid it 06:09:55 Yes, for Wikipedia and other things there is that too, but HSTS can still cause problems too whether or not that is the case. 06:10:08 zzo38: ok, it might cause problems in other cases 06:10:46 zzo38: so I understand why you say it's bad design, but why can't you still access wikipedia with https? 06:11:04 I can, sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't work though. 06:11:13 ok 06:11:21 I thought you'd say something more specific 06:11:48 Even for servers that only work on HTTPS, the HSTS can still stop certain other things you might want to do for debugging or anything else, from working too. 06:12:43 Also the forced HTTPS prevents me from doing packet inspection or connecting from a client that doesn't use HTTPS. 06:13:08 zzo38: can you use a local (private) proxy then? 06:14:19 I don't even know how to configure Mozilla to use plain HTTP on a proxy when https:// is specified. 06:14:47 But another reason I cannot use a local proxy is due to the mixed up clock; even if I try to fix it, it gets mixed up. 06:15:23 I see https, but what's "mixed up clock"? 06:15:23 And my computer isn't particularly powerful enough either. 06:15:55 I mean the RTC in my computer seems to run too slowly. 06:15:57 it needn't be on exactly the same computer, it could be on another computer on the lan with fast connection between the two 06:16:23 um, but how is the clock a problem here? 06:16:47 I don't really know if the clock is a problem. But I thought it might be. 06:16:56 ok 06:17:44 my rtc clock usually runs a bit too fast, but it's not really a problem because I can correct it to enough precision by syncing to a time server on the internet 06:19:13 -!- zadock has joined. 06:19:24 I have several clocks, and synchronize them with the Weather Channel when they need to be set. I set the portable analog clock from the TV, the digital clock in my bedroom from the analog clock, and the computer from the digital clock. 06:20:06 it's more a problem at the company, where the servers have the clocks going horribly wrong, sometimes several minutes off, and I don't have the authority to set their clocks to sync 06:20:39 I used to sync to the radio in old times, but these days I sync to the internet 06:21:03 (and then sync other clocks to the computer synced to the internet) 06:21:16 (sometimes two levels deep) 06:21:26 I think there is a time signal on CBC radio, but I have no computer hardware to connect to radio or software to decode the time signal. 06:22:10 I didn't decode by hardware, I just pressed enter at the beep or something 06:22:55 That is another way yes, slightly less precise but probably still good enough 06:23:20 syncing to television doesn't sound like a good idea, because it sometimes has a second or two of delay, probably because it goes through satellite links 06:23:36 I trust radio more 06:24:07 Yes, although the radio doesn't have the time signal all the time 06:24:16 yes 06:24:22 but it has it at predictable times 06:24:32 Yes, there is that, at least. 06:25:53 But also with television, the delay will be more with digital television than with analog, even. (I have both digital and analog, in different rooms. I tend to use the analog more, but other people in here mostly use the digital television.) 06:26:58 I've seen a second of delay in analog, though probably some intermediate link was already digital 06:27:36 and perhaps the time signal doesn't have that, only some programs that have to show live image 06:28:47 I don't think we have analog television anymore. analog tv on radio waves has been discontinued a few years ago, and I don't think any of the cable ones are analog still. 06:29:15 the satelite-based receivers are probably digital too 06:29:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:30:23 A problem with a digital cable box is that you have to use their software and remote control (or a remote control with the same codes, but you can't add your own functions or remove existing functions). Also makes it difficult to use with a VCR. 06:33:04 * oerjan skips the logs hth 06:40:20 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:39:23 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 08:15:08 -!- rdococ has joined. 08:26:15 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:53:35 `? ^ 08:53:53 um, hackego? 08:53:57 ^? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 08:54:17 `? CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT 08:54:17 CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 08:54:26 `? xor 08:54:26 xor? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 08:54:38 `? bit_xor 08:54:39 bit_xor? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 08:54:53 b_jonas, what are you trying to do 08:56:03 Taneb: dunno, I just didn't understand why it didn't reply to `? ^ 08:56:15 `run ? ^ 08:56:16 bash: 0: command not found 08:56:22 `run ? \^ 08:56:25 bash: 0: command not found 08:56:30 That is an odd error 08:56:44 why? 08:56:48 ? is a wildcard expansion 08:57:02 and the first file it finds with a matching name is 0 08:57:02 `run \? \^ 08:57:04 ^? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 08:57:05 that's how shell works 08:57:11 Ah 08:57:15 I did not know that 08:58:03 `` locale 08:58:03 LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ 08:59:00 `` (LC_COLLATE=C; echo ?) 08:59:00 0 08:59:04 `` (LC_COLLATE=C; echo *) 08:59:04 0 113500 :-( :-D Complaints MaFV Wierd a.o a.out bdsmreclist bin blah canary cat dc dog emoticons error.log etc factor faith fu head hello hello.c hi hours ibin index.html?dl=1812 interps le lib paste pref prefs py.py quines quotes random_elliott real script.py selflink share src twolines wisdom wisdom.pdf 08:59:28 I also fixed it so that you can use ``` to set the locale to the C locale, as a shortcut for that 08:59:56 oh nice 09:00:04 Instead of having to type LC_COLLATE=C and whatever 09:01:10 zzo38: I usually run everything with a mixed locale: LC_CTYPE is set but every other category is C locale. this has even triggered a nasty libc bug that comes up only for mixed locale, but that was lots of years ago and fixed since. 09:02:45 ideally I wish there was an environment variable to define the encoding of the terminal, without involving locales, but LC_CTYPE is a workaround that works in most of the cases. (I also wish terminal libraries accepted a _list_ of terminfo terminal names instead of just one.) 09:06:30 `` cat "bin/```" 09:06:31 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 09:06:35 `` cat "bin/``" 09:06:36 cat: bin/: Is a directory 09:06:41 -!- Herbalist has joined. 09:06:42 `` cat "bin/\`\`" 09:06:43 export LANG=C; bash -c "$1" 09:06:49 right, metacharacter 09:07:26 ``` locale 09:07:27 LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL= 09:09:22 ``` sed -i 's/;.*1"/; exec bash -c "$@"/' 'bin/``' # doesn't matter much, but can't hurt 09:09:30 No output. 09:09:31 ``` locale 09:09:32 LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL= 09:13:29 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:41:16 -!- gniourf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:00:38 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 10:00:41 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Client Quit). 10:02:01 -!- Wallacoloo has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 10:17:11 -!- boily has joined. 10:25:15 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:28:56 -!- aretecode has joined. 10:35:21 -!- Herbalist has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:50:23 oh! 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My dad works there 16:31:02 Yeah, I'm at University of York 16:31:09 Congrats, by the way :) 16:31:16 Thinking of doing a master's? 16:31:30 Not right away 16:31:46 Awesome. 16:31:49 Fair :) 16:32:38 However I do plan to the the JLPT 3 this winter 16:32:49 s/the/take/ 16:33:34 um, what's that? 16:33:36 JLPT? 16:33:46 Japanese Language Proficiency Test. 16:33:49 yah 16:33:50 ah! 16:34:05 there are 5 levels with 1 the highest 16:34:11 :) 16:34:17 The "日本語能力試験". 16:34:18 So, you start at -4? 16:34:21 :P 16:34:35 :B 16:34:42 I'm at the University of Reading 16:34:50 Insert "reading" pun here. 16:34:53 Serious question: should I accept this Google job offer? 16:35:02 (:P) 16:35:11 I'd much rather work for Mozilla than Google 16:35:27 FreeFull, one of my almost-friends from high school is at Reading! 16:35:32 pikhq: well, is there a reason you wouldn't accept it? 16:35:38 No. 16:35:46 I've read Google's interview process is annoying 16:35:49 Wow, he is studying computer science! 16:35:50 then accept it. 16:36:03 Taneb: Which year? 16:36:13 FreeFull, unsure, either first or second 16:36:18 Chris "Easty" Eastwood 16:36:19 FreeFull: It is, but I'm on the other side of it. 16:37:40 pikhq, what would you be doing? 16:37:46 Taneb: I don't recognise the name 16:37:48 pikhq: try to find people you know who already work at Google. ask them what it's like. 16:37:50 Site reliability engineering. 16:37:56 b_jonas: I did. 16:38:02 The question was not actually serious. 16:38:09 And I already hit accept. 16:38:25 FreeFull, fair enough :) 16:38:50 but you said... ok, good luck 16:39:14 Taneb: Maybe if I saw a photo I could recognise him, but no guarantees 16:39:24 b_jonas: Was a joke. 16:41:20 pikhq: are you going to work in California or at a local site 16:41:25 California. 16:41:29 nice. 16:41:31 FreeFull, PM'd you a photo 16:43:28 -!- mihow has joined. 17:29:28 pikhq: Do you know what you'll be SREing? 17:36:20 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 17:44:41 -!- password2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:51:19 -!- mihow has joined. 18:07:18 Ignoring the timestamps, this bit of autogenerated log seems pretty plausible: 18:07:26 07:52:41: wait, you can still control iteration in the discarded argument 18:07:27 00:13:13: darn 18:07:27 04:21:49: right 18:13:04 Taneb: no, you start at -3. 18:19:17 shachaf: No. 18:22:36 You've already accepted it? 18:23:53 When are you moving here? 18:25:03 Uh, probably some time in the next couple weeks. 18:25:23 I talk with relocation people on Monday. 18:28:28 Oh wow, Carlsen lost again. 18:29:01 I am gonna set up an appointment with an optometrist like, on my start date... 18:29:14 pikhq: i.e. after the insurance kicks in? 18:29:17 Yep. 18:29:25 I'm *pretty* sure my prescription is a bit off these days. 18:32:54 -!- SopaXT has joined. 18:34:56 -!- SopaXT has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:39:50 Andrej Bauer is great. 18:40:08 http://andrej.com/fan.html 18:43:47 -!- Wallacoloo has joined. 18:44:47 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:46:27 -!- jameseb has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:46:56 -!- glguy has joined. 18:47:35 -!- glguy has left. 18:58:49 -!- nys has joined. 19:14:37 `wisdom 19:14:38 eurovision/Eurovision is the European way of looking at the world. For some reason it involves a lot of cheesy singing. 19:14:42 `wisdom 19:14:43 cls/cls is a command to clear the screen. 19:16:49 heh this is riddiculous 19:16:53 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:17:23 but it's true! 19:17:30 no! 19:17:33 it's all speculation 19:17:37 that's why it's riddiculous 19:17:51 is the typo intentional? 19:18:20 there's barely any reliable historical data, but the historians make all kinds of crazy specific hypothesis from the very little data they can find 19:18:30 int-e: no, I just can't spell 19:18:37 . o O ( hmm, riddleculous ) 19:19:43 I can't pronounce either. if I could, "riddiculous" wouldn't make sense as the spelling 19:19:45 of course that pun would've worked better if the answer had been "yes". 19:20:09 apparently it's stressed on the second syllable 19:22:05 `? ridicule 19:22:06 ridicule? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:24:04 int-e: yeah but no, not because of that 19:24:49 first syllable is just my default assumption of basically every word because Hungarian has fixed stress on first syllable and I don't know enough about English pronunciation to have good guesses about stress 19:28:31 hmm... In English stress can actually make it a different word 19:28:41 oren: yes, but rarely 19:28:54 much rarely than just plain homonyms that are stressed the same too 19:29:02 s/much rarely/much more rarely/ 19:30:12 Also the word "defence" can be stressed either way 19:32:25 `wisdom 19:32:26 york/York used to be known as Amsterdam. 19:33:11 And then there are various words, where the shift turns a verb into a noun 19:33:46 reCORD - verb REcord - noun 19:34:17 the two words are otherwise identical in pronounciation 19:34:54 `wisdom 19:34:56 chuchichäschtli/chuchichäschtli is spoken as [ˈχʊχːiˌχæʃːtli] 19:38:43 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 19:39:45 -!- Tritonio has joined. 19:49:15 oren: yeah, that's a quite famous example: "table", "record", "rebel" and a few other words change their hyphenation depending on their meaning, so they can't be automatically hyphenated 19:50:28 I don't think Hungarian has any word that can change hyphenation, though in theory such a word could exist. That doesn't mean we have perfect hyphenation algorithms of course, because there are words it just doesn't know. 19:51:01 Of course, the Hungarian hyphenation rules are very simple. There's about four rules total. 19:51:17 Maybe five or something. depends on how you count. 19:55:18 The shachaf hyphenation rule is that when you run out of space in the line and you're in the middle of a word, you write a hyphen. 19:55:50 Hmm, maybe there is such a word. There are four possible ambiguities I can think of that could result in such a word, though two seem very unlikely to actually cause an example. 19:56:48 `wisdom 19:56:52 famicom/Famicom is a famous sitcom from Japan. 19:57:28 shouldn't it be famikomu then... 19:57:34 zzo38: I thought Famicom was another name for the Nintendo Entertainment System. 19:58:14 `wisdom trust 19:58:15 chess/Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation. 19:58:39 `? trust 19:58:39 trust? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:58:40 Oh, it sounds like I'm wrong. 19:58:41 oops. 20:01:31 Oh, it sounds like I'm wrong about being wrong. 20:11:53 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:12:08 -!- Tritonio has joined. 20:14:17 stop being wrong 20:18:59 also... 20:19:25 imagine a negative currency... &3 = -$3 20:20:22 We could use negadollars to balance out inflation? 20:22:15 hmm... I wonder if that would work 20:22:53 because if both dollars and minus dollars become common, then.. would that balance out inflation ...? 20:22:57 or wouldn't it? 20:23:03 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 20:23:12 also, cant you just throw away a negadollar...? 20:23:43 "omg I have this -$10000 note... I'll just burn it." 20:24:25 you'll throw the monetary system off balance 20:24:36 so nothing to worry about 20:24:42 Hmm yea I'm not an economizer 20:24:49 Chaos should be the goal tho 20:25:17 hmm... 20:30:29 shachaf: The Nintendo Entertainment System is a system which is very similar to Famicom (most programs for one will work also on the other with an adapter) 20:31:17 It's somewhat more easy to run NES games on a Famicom than vice versa. 20:32:17 The most notable likely issue is that some NES games will not read any controllers on the expansion port. 20:34:31 -!- mihow has joined. 20:39:48 wait, what if the negadollar was a cryptographically irrepudiatable? 20:41:11 `wisdom 20:41:12 unicode/Unicode is a mess invented in 1988 by Xerox, Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition, and the evil Human Supremacy Corporation, in order to make it easier for the government to spy on Chinese people. 20:41:28 e.g. it would be possible, using public information, to prove exactly how many negadollars someone has 20:41:34 `culprits wisdom/unicode 20:41:36 zzo38 20:41:38 whoa 20:41:42 `wisdom 20:41:44 pdf/PDF stands for Pretty Depressing Format. 20:42:46 `wisdom 20:42:49 `/` is the prefix to greatness. 20:42:56 `wisdom 20:42:57 glumgot/glumgot is not a particularly bad swear word, but is still disquieting. 20:43:31 thus, when I pay you, I can do so by transferring a negadollar from yourself to me; such that there is a public record that you have N less negadollars and I have N more 20:45:16 pikhq: You're moving from Indiana or someplace like that? 20:45:40 Missouri. 20:46:08 So, no but close. 20:46:25 close enough 20:46:28 To encourage trade, the public record would increase by a continuously compounded say 2% per year 20:46:38 It's definitely a cross-country move. 20:46:43 And I'm not packed yet? 20:49:18 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:50:11 (this is similar to the inflation of normal currencies, but it is more obvious) 20:50:23 Hey I'm in misery, can you take me with you? 20:51:58 -!- lleu has joined. 20:57:06 hmm 20:58:01 -!- hppavilion1 has joined. 20:58:07 Hello 20:58:43 `wisdome 20:58:44 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdome: not found 20:58:48 `wisdom 20:58:49 doesthiswork/no 20:59:00 `? hppavilion1 20:59:01 higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed 20:59:09 `? wisdom 20:59:09 wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? 20:59:21 `? ø 20:59:22 ø is not going anywhere. 21:00:21 http://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/39wvrm/hodor_esolang_as_a_rust_macro/ 21:01:16 [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43229&oldid=43217 * 139.55.4.74 * (+14) Added Damarok 21:02:32 it just makes more moral sense if you use negative currency & as opposed to positive currency £ and $ and euro and stuff... having &3 means "you owe $3 to the world, until you can reach financial enlightenment." but having $3 means "the world owes you $3...? wait.. what?" 21:03:33 Um 21:03:35 OK 21:03:44 I was the one who added Damarok, BTW 21:05:33 [wiki] [[Talk:Darmok]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43230 * Hppavilion1 * (+128) /* Well SORRY */ new section 21:06:46 rdococ: I think theoretically, US dollars are a zero currency. 21:07:00 It's impossible for anyone to actually own a US dollar. Therefore, the total number of US dollars in the world is zero. 21:07:07 [wiki] [[Talk:Darmok]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43231&oldid=43230 * Hppavilion1 * (+271) /* Well SORRY */ 21:07:19 How is that? 21:07:29 [wiki] [[Talk:Darmok]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43232&oldid=43231 * Hppavilion1 * (+13) 21:07:36 If I have a dollar bill, that doesn't mean I own a dollar. It means that the Fed owes me a dollar. The dollar bill is worth $1 to me, and -$1 to the Fed. 21:07:40 [wiki] [[Talk:Darmok]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43233&oldid=43232 * Hppavilion1 * (-14) 21:07:52 Likewise, if I have a dollar in my bank account, that doesn't mean I own a dollar; it means the bank owes me a dollar. 21:07:58 OK 21:09:04 I think it has even been suggested that = 0 can suggest this (when applied globally), although I have not thought of it that way 21:09:18 What is ? 21:09:45 The product of , hth? 21:09:57 -!- hilquias has joined. 21:10:10 The |FSV> is a financial state vector, which can vary, but must always remain orthogonal to Presumably it's the inner product of BAL and FSV or something. 21:10:26 and what's "Likewise, if I have a dollar in my bank account, that doesn't mean I own a dollar; it means the bank owes me a dollar." so why can't the bank just hold a negadollar? 21:11:41 It is short for "balance" and normally you might set the components for each account to 1 and others to 0 if using that basis state; but you could use other basis vectors instead if it helps, all that it is is that |FSV> is required to remain orthogonal to it. 21:11:55 b_jonas: That's what it is. 21:11:59 what if money is locally conserved everywhere, but you can't define a globally sum of money invariant, sort of like energy in global relativity? 21:12:39 rdococ: Can't the bank already potentially store negative amounts in an account? 21:12:44 as in, money isn't created or destroyed locally anywhere, but you can't just say that the totaly some of money is conserved in any meaningful sense 21:12:47 (If you are in debt) 21:13:08 zzo38: sure it can, though that might be Bad for you 21:13:42 Yes, I know, you are in debt 21:14:57 Do you remember the Infocom game _Bureaucracy_? 21:15:02 I don't know whether or not you can define a globally sum of money invariant; I am not the government (and perhaps even the government doesn't know?) 21:17:34 -!- tromp_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:17:56 [wiki] [[Darmok]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43234&oldid=43220 * Hppavilion1 * (+712) Added some code 21:17:57 -!- tromp_ has joined. 21:18:23 -!- tromp_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:18:54 but negative currency is more moral: if you have no $$$, nothing to sell and stuff, you can't start in life... but if you have no &&& in negative world, nothing to sell and stuff, you can start in life by buying stuff, and pay the world back later. 21:20:06 I have no clue what's going on 21:20:15 Note that |FSV> here is a vector of a projective space, it seems to me! 21:20:16 me neither 21:21:11 [wiki] [[Darmok]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43235&oldid=43234 * Hppavilion1 * (+4) Added extension 21:21:38 Anyone want to help me figure out Darmok? 21:22:23 -!- tromp_ has joined. 21:23:11 [wiki] [[Darmok]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43236&oldid=43235 * Hppavilion1 * (+49) Changed code 21:24:33 hppavilion1: I don't know much right now, but I can see a few thing from what you have written 21:24:44 Yay 21:24:50 I made a barely-decent page 21:25:13 It is still hardly good enough yet, just one example that explain a few thing about it 21:25:29 Yup 21:25:42 I only recently started it 21:25:49 I'm making it incrementally instead of all at once 21:26:49 -!- augur has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 21:26:57 [wiki] [[Darmok]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43237&oldid=43236 * Hppavilion1 * (+122) Opened the language to public modification 21:27:49 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:28:00 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 21:28:27 but wont the metaphors and mythologies themselves require verbs or verb like constructions? 21:28:39 Yes 21:28:46 When did I say they wouldn't? 21:29:24 Oh 21:29:57 The Metaphors and Mythologies can be defined in Darmok or another language 21:30:07 It's not a particuarly well-defined language 21:30:27 Ones defined in Darmok pretty much need to use ones defined in Non-Darmok 21:30:49 s/well-define/well-made 21:31:23 hmm... 21:31:28 but what if they didnt...? 21:31:32 How? 21:31:49 if we use a modification of English where verbs are not allowed... 21:32:00 can we come up with a sentence? 21:32:08 No. 21:32:11 We can't 21:32:18 Sentences need verbs 21:32:41