00:14:03 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:19:25 -!- _256Q has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:21:05 -!- madbr has joined. 00:21:30 trying to prove that chess is turing complete (given a board with an infinitely repeating periodic portion) 00:22:03 I have this as a "conveyor belt" to force the white king to move along a path: 00:22:09 http://pastebin.com/V8fQu11y 00:22:21 [wiki] [[User:Phase]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43475&oldid=43424 * Phase * (+14) /* Jackass */ I did that thang 00:22:34 black has to check that white king every move or else he gets checkmated 00:24:04 I also have to figure out how to do a wire crossing and a memory cell 00:24:45 i'm pretty sure having a side have more than one king is cheating 00:26:17 I'm trying to figure out the easier version (with multiple checkmatable kings) first 00:26:21 there's some kind of proof that chess is something-big-complete with arbitrary finite boardsize, it might be possible to adapt that 00:27:51 it's also possible that I might have to do some processing in the infinitely repeating section instead of just using it as an infinite tape 00:28:23 mostly if processing requires something non-undoable like pawn movement (for instance if you keep the 50 move rule) 00:29:20 Generalised chess is supposedly EXPTIME-complete (on square boards) 00:29:29 intuitively it has to be possible to build a turing machive out of this, if they figured out how to do it in the game of life... 00:29:34 Not sure what kind of generalisation it is 00:30:09 if you invent new pieces it becomes too easy 00:30:29 The initial layout surely matters as well. 00:30:38 so it's more a challenge of requiring as few extra rules as possible 00:30:43 [wiki] [[Jackass]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43476&oldid=43474 * Phase * (+329) more operations 00:31:13 yeah basically the initial layout is the program 00:37:11 -!- mihow has joined. 00:38:24 the reason for multikings is that otherwise it's really hard to keep rooks on the same line 00:49:46 hmm, if you need non-undoable stuff like pawn movement or captures, you possibly need a 2d infinite grid instead of just a 1d infinite section 00:50:06 to process along one dimension and store data along the other 00:52:05 How does a turing machine work in a competitive game, anyway 00:53:10 Do you fix white to play and win (or not lose) and then interpret the moves as output 00:56:25 * oerjan wonders if wikipedia has had an article as front page feature for a second time before 00:56:29 hmm 00:56:40 There's the malbolge version, I guess: the programmer gives a position, then the interpreter chooses an arbitrary optimal move for each side 00:56:47 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:56:49 not exactly sure but if the white player can force a win, the machine halts 00:56:54 So e.g. to make a truth machine, the programmer needs to set up a forced draw 00:57:13 actually you can probably get a single binary output 00:57:34 -!- Thisbe has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:57:40 can the white player force a win? 00:57:55 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:58:00 or can the black player force a win? 00:59:12 -!- Wallacoloo has joined. 00:59:49 Or designate some pieces as outputs, so any move of those pieces outputs a white or black bit 01:01:17 -!- mihow has joined. 01:01:40 true 01:01:51 or you can designate some paths 01:02:11 and if the king moves on the left path, outputs 1, if it moves on the right path, outputs 0 01:02:54 -!- mihow has quit (Client Quit). 01:02:56 but for turing completeness I think even only halt vs non-halt is sufficient 01:03:29 since you can put in the input program which of the output bits you want to output 01:03:35 and make a multibit output 01:03:38 that way 01:04:02 and then in the input program you also have a bit that says if you're testing the current output bit for 0 or 1 01:04:12 and if it matches, halt, if it doesn't match, loop 01:04:33 -!- mihow has joined. 01:04:33 -!- mihow has quit (Client Quit). 01:04:48 and then you race both versions against each other and the one that halts first gives you the answer 01:13:42 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:18:43 what do you do when you add a ton of code that's supposed to replace a different ton of code but when you do it everything breaks? 01:19:56 cry 01:20:17 done 01:20:19 now what 01:23:01 Such is the capricious nature of code. 01:23:40 izabera: Use a debugger 01:25:11 [wiki] [[Jackass]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43477&oldid=43476 * Phase * (+280) /* Operation List */ More operations 01:29:20 There should be apprenticeships for code: young, agile code can learn a lot by working under mature code (perhaps even a "master") 01:30:17 I guess it's a question of size 01:30:24 maybe your problem is big 01:30:43 and the solution is going to be messy no matter what 02:12:23 -!- variable has joined. 02:15:22 -!- copumpkin has joined. 02:20:09 -!- variable has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 02:21:57 -!- variable has joined. 02:29:11 You can apparently register a domain name in the cook islands with a .co. to get .co.ck at the end of your domain name 02:32:28 https://www.google.co.ck/ 02:35:12 -!- Thisbe has joined. 02:40:09 If your code is modular, perhaps you can run both solutions, and log when the new code 02:40:22 gives an answer different from the old 02:42:05 * oerjan *so* tempted to do a "you should have used haskell" joke 02:42:17 why should i 02:43:17 please elaborate :P 02:43:26 its strong flexible typing makes refactoring unusually painless hth 02:43:59 the disadvantage is you have to learn to use it first, which is not as painless. 02:44:40 my refactoring will be painless as soon as i fix the bug 02:44:55 (just use a year or three to learn haskell, and afterward refactoring will be painless.) 02:45:00 good, good 02:45:48 well type system and purity / referential transparency 02:46:58 [wiki] [[Talk:Wire-crossing problem]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43478&oldid=20511 * 174.109.246.19 * (+1125) /* Possible proof of planarity turing completeness? */ new section 02:46:59 typeless languages have their merits 02:47:11 yes, but not for refactoring. 02:52:31 still wondering what types have to do with refactoring 02:53:09 they make it likely that the compiler will complain if you move something to the wrong spot 02:55:04 note that in haskell you don't just type ordinary values, but also actions 02:55:10 AH-HA FOUND THE F BUG 02:55:20 congrats! 02:55:21 i'm the queen of refactoring 02:57:21 ok it didn't work 02:57:34 it's hard 03:08:22 -!- Wallacoloo has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 03:15:59 oerjan, how about Factor? It lets you factor into smaller pieces without as much worry about types 03:16:15 Although changing things outright could still be an issue 03:21:34 well i don't really know factor, but concatenative with dynamic types doesn't immediately encourage me 03:22:53 why are .co.uk domains so cheap? 03:25:04 ooh they actually changed the /r/haskell CSS, just as i was reloading the tab about it to finish reading it... 03:28:22 * oerjan pizzas again 03:28:38 Due to the input syntax you will not necessarily get perfect idempotency for free with RDF, although depending on what needs to be done, in some cases the schema can be defined so that it does not matter; you can also easily avoid it in the input files in the cases where it does matter, for example by using absolute URIs based on a canonical name or whatever. 03:31:40 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 03:58:05 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 04:00:49 there. no more using stupid webhosting sites. from now on I'll just upload things to my own website 04:01:30 http://arin.ga/X3Sh9D/raw at least one of these is wrong, can you help me find it please? >.< 04:04:32 it's the output of my brainfuck thingy, trying to optimize the multiplication loops 04:09:31 -!- Walpurgisnacht has joined. 04:09:47 i dunno but it seems a bit useless to have more than one i adjustment in each inner loop 04:10:13 oh wait that's the before optimization version 04:10:14 what are you guys talking about today 04:10:30 right now, izabera's brainfuck compiler 04:11:20 they all look correct to me :( 04:11:45 whats going wrong 04:12:06 my bf compiler is not working correctly, that's what's going wrong >.> 04:12:42 the first one does look correct... 04:12:53 Well you can compile boyfriend because that's cheating that might be what's going wrong But brainfuck compilers not working are another issue 04:13:20 is there an esoteric language called boyfriend? 04:13:25 Sorry I'm not of help on this topic 04:13:33 * izabera would totally learn it 04:14:08 I should ask a friend to come in and help 04:14:29 but they are lazy to come in on another irc server 04:15:23 second looks correct... 04:17:40 they're all correct 04:17:46 there must be something else that's wrong 04:18:13 cry into the source files throw it into a volcano and pray 04:19:50 oooh i found ittt! 04:19:52 291c262 04:19:54 < (( tape[i+1] = (tape[i+1] - tape[i] * 1) & 255, tape[i] = 0 )); 04:19:56 --- 04:19:58 > (( tape[i+1] = (tape[i+1] + tape[i] * -1) & 255 , tape[i] = 0 )); 04:20:00 :1:14: parse error on input ‘=’ 04:20:05 sorry lambdabot 04:21:19 cool 04:23:44 izabera: that's not _necessarily_ incorrect 04:24:08 although maybe it's wrong syntax for what it tries to do 04:24:31 i was about to say, maybe some of those shell commands don't do what you expect them to 04:24:57 and i don't know shell well enough to say 04:27:21 [wiki] [[Binary lambda calculus]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43479&oldid=35937 * Phase * (-7) update link 04:30:36 bf, the best friend language 04:34:01 nope fixed that and it's still wrong 04:35:13 looked at the bash operator table and i still see nothing 04:36:03 are you sure you're running the right test files :P 04:36:53 i don't even... 04:37:19 hey it's happened to people before! 04:38:46 [wiki] [[Useless]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43480&oldid=37483 * Phase * (+91) add link to codegolf interpreters 04:42:39 "If subscript evaluates to a number less than zero, it is used as an offset from one greater than the array's maximum index (so a subcript of -1 refers to the last element of the array). " 04:43:08 izabera: how big is your tape array? 04:43:45 up to 2*31-1 elements to the right 04:43:52 What a day, what a day. 04:43:55 i meant 2**31-1 04:44:07 well i mean, how big is it initialized to be 04:44:14 it's empty 04:44:40 that's fine i'm sure that this part works >.> 04:46:12 why not right a test to be really really sure 04:46:21 s/right/write/ 04:46:57 izabera: what i'm wondering is if you're using actual negative indices at any tie 04:47:00 *time 04:47:12 i understand that, and the answer is no 04:47:12 -!- oren_ has joined. 04:47:16 ok 04:47:24 hopefully 04:47:40 jk i'm pretty sure i'm not using any negative index 04:48:04 to check, you could assign 0 to a large index before you start, i think 04:48:15 well why not 04:48:59 the reverse dns isn't picking up my domain name 04:49:02 it's the only idea i've got given what i've seen so far, anyway 04:49:20 -!- Walpurgisnacht has quit (Quit: Did Tennessee the heaven hurt when you fell from the it). 04:49:29 it shoud have said oren@orenwatson.be 04:50:46 are you suddenly belgian 04:50:49 -!- oren_ has quit (Client Quit). 04:50:59 oops 04:51:00 no but .be is very cheap 04:51:25 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:51:44 and yet not so cheap as to make me look shady 04:52:06 like orenwatson.cx or orenwatson.me or some crap\ 04:52:49 oerjan: tried that, same problem 04:52:55 darn 04:53:36 thanks anyway :) 04:53:38 oren: for those who _want_ to look shady, i wonder how cheap syrian addresses are 04:54:18 or north korean 04:54:29 .sy is so shasy their registration rules are in a .doc file 04:54:41 http://www.gobin.info/domainname/sy.doc 04:54:52 fan.sy 04:58:12 -!- oren_ has joined. 04:58:17 damn 04:58:40 heh, there is noticeale latency 04:58:53 about 1/2 a second 05:00:26 test 05:01:07 -!- oren_ has changed nick to oren_cloud. 05:01:20 -!- oren has changed nick to oren_laptop. 05:01:52 actually 05:02:08 -!- oren_laptop has changed nick to oren_broken_lapt. 05:02:25 eh close enough 05:05:00 now I can try out recursive screen 05:06:02 heh 05:06:12 this looks really stupid 05:08:11 -!- oren_broken_lapt has quit (Quit: leaving). 05:08:33 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:11:06 how many orens are there 05:12:02 only one. I was on the channel twice before. 05:12:20 one r, eh 05:13:46 http://www.orenwatson.be/1436807488.png 05:14:25 two screens look stuid as all hell 05:14:52 wow 05:14:59 people still use 80x24 terminals 05:15:16 whyyyyyy 05:15:25 why not 05:15:36 it's too smaaaaaaallll 05:15:52 so I can read a website while typing into the temrinal 05:17:14 so when I type it goes to the router, my laptop then back to the router, then through some oher stuff to a server in Virginia and then to wherever freenode is 05:18:39 -!- mauris__ has joined. 05:18:44 hi 05:18:59 `relcome mauris__ 05:19:00 mauris__: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 05:19:03 -!- mauris__ has changed nick to mauris. 05:21:46 -!- Wright_ has joined. 05:21:47 -!- Wright has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:46:48 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:48:29 Can you make messages encrypted better if you do not use consistent grammar and not necessarily even correct grammar? It might make it a bit difficult for some people to guess at a part of the plaintext; probably not much if the encryption algorithm is good, but maybe you will use a simple one I don't know 05:49:31 My MegaZeux compression program is now a bit better than DEFLATE 05:58:20 zzo38: no, basically you should use good encryption that doesn't have plaintext attacks. 05:58:35 Yes, I know 05:59:24 if you're writing something like English text, it already has so many regularities that a bit of bad grammar won't help much. 05:59:24 But maybe you can't or maybe you are really paranoid (in which case a one time pad is best, but sometimes you cannot do that, and even then you may have to disguise the length of the message too) 06:00:13 Compressing the data first can be one thing you can do, I believe 06:00:31 Still it might have a known header 06:01:11 If you're paranoid enough to spend time with this, then there are likely already better ways to spend that time to improve security. 06:01:42 Bad grammar would just lead to misunderstandings, which can defeat your whole purpose of communication. 06:02:05 It doesn't have to be bad enough that it can not be understandable 06:02:13 Only just a little bit bad 06:03:10 But you can also rearrange a few sentences in a few unusual way even if not techinically wrong or difficult at all. 06:05:56 Or as part of the encryption, you might mix up the order of the words even before compression (so that "Dear" does not necessarily come first), it is mixed up more afterward. 06:06:35 how do you plan to get back the original text? 06:06:58 You would have to do in a reversible way. You need to add a second key to the encryption in order to do this. 06:07:15 But if you are communicate with someone you have a DVD you can use a one time pad; maybe you use a one time pad that is also encrypted with a password so that if someone steal the DVD then it is still difficult to decrypt it because they do not know the password. 06:07:16 -!- rdococ has joined. 06:08:12 -!- Thisbe has quit (Quit: Thisbe). 06:09:01 dvd's are so 2007 06:09:25 Or use a second pad stored on the hard disk, which must be combined with the first pad on the DVD, and which in addition requires a password. The encrypted message can include a initialization vector which must be combined with the password in order to decrypt the one time pad. 06:10:14 microsd glued to the inside of the envelope of a letter 06:10:29 glue is so 1907 06:12:49 I'm bored... do you guys have any ideas? 06:15:22 play age of empires II 06:15:43 try to eat an entire ham 06:16:08 write a dissasembler 06:17:02 ... 06:17:10 for an esoteric programming language 06:18:42 no, dont ask me to see the wiki page on ideas 06:18:52 `wiki ideas 06:18:53 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wiki: not found 06:18:57 aww 06:20:42 problem? lel 06:24:07 I don't know the idea 06:59:47 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Pics or it didn't happen). 07:17:43 http://arin.ga/2TN6QZ/raw what's the difference between the commented line and the rest? 07:18:00 the bf code they come from is [->>>>+<<[-]<<] 07:19:41 i don't understand... 07:27:37 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:28:21 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:32:51 -!- rdococ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:35:19 ah got it, in the first case tape[i+2] is zeroed out even if tape[i] is zero 07:39:56 awwwwwww yeeeaah it works 07:40:01 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:43:28 -!- heroux has joined. 07:56:58 -!- ^sez has joined. 07:58:23 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 08:15:09 -!- ^sez has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:30:25 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:41:07 -!- zadock has joined. 08:50:06 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 08:53:18 Why does Facebook want to kill Flash? 08:53:46 doesn't everybody? 08:54:01 Although I'm not opposed to the idea of killing flash as long as the streaming sites switch to using something else playable in browsers. 08:54:22 If they switch to divx-player I'm gonna be mad. 08:54:28 html5...? 08:54:40 hm... 08:54:52 Does the HTML5 Version of YouTube inject ads into videos? 08:54:58 yes 08:55:06 How do they do that? 08:55:10 with overlays? 08:55:17 idk probably 08:57:13 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:57:28 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:58:11 oh. It still gives you the javascript player 08:58:25 I thought the would just present the video and the browser will have some sort of player built-in. 08:58:28 *they 09:11:45 Ooh, IOCCC announcement 09:14:26 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:20:48 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 09:24:59 How does Rust handle multiple files o_O 09:27:32 also use std::io; 09:27:40 this allows you to address something with just io:: 09:27:51 is that an implicit "use namespace" or something? 09:28:08 apparentely sometimes you have to use mod and sometimes use 09:28:11 but you can't use both 09:28:11 so 09:28:19 mod test; will require you to write test::fun 09:29:06 but you can write use test::fun; and then you can just write fun 09:29:11 but you'd have to do that for every function? 09:29:27 nvm. there's use test::*; apparentely 09:30:49 If you're implementing a java compiler, I wonder if you could get away with treating import commands as regular expressions 09:31:32 well 09:31:33 depends 09:31:41 it's not allowed to have more than one public class in the same file 09:32:09 and how would you handle package scope then? 09:32:12 and all these things 09:32:22 there's public, private, protected and default 09:32:36 I mean, import commands are either Foo.Bar or Foo.* 09:32:39 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: scoooope). 09:33:07 --which are valid regular expressions. 09:33:08 default meaning "no access modifier" 09:33:14 not "the default access modifier" 09:33:20 for interfaces the default access modifier is "public" 09:34:01 Jafet: wouldn't the dot need escaping? 09:34:08 import Foo\.Bar\.*? 09:34:37 I didn't say the regular expression would live up to expectations. 09:35:11 Also, that's a different regular expression (which only matches strings like Foo.Bar....) 09:39:55 -!- x10A94 has joined. 09:50:42 import Foo\.Bar\..* then 09:57:36 -!- ^sez has joined. 10:00:02 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 10:01:53 -!- ^sez has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:20:11 -!- boily has joined. 10:24:21 -!- staffehn has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 10:24:38 -!- staffehn has joined. 10:34:23 Roughly one hour to go for new what if 10:36:15 mrhelloman_. what if, as in xkcd's what if? 10:36:27 naturally 10:37:13 oooooh! 10:37:44 what if... it's delayed? 10:38:03 I'm gonna fly to america and slap Randall in the face 10:38:14 hellint-e. don't jinx it. 10:38:19 * boily knocks his mapole 10:38:37 or challenge him to a bareknuckle fight. 10:38:39 mroman_: what? isn't "What If" on a permanent on hold, with a notice that always says it will be back next week? 10:38:53 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:38:53 the date will change again within that hour 10:38:54 No, 14th of July, 7:49 10:39:00 mroman_: yes, that's what it says now 10:39:05 it will update to a week later 10:39:37 no, it has always been 14th of July for the last weeks 10:39:47 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 10:42:44 mroman_: hmm, maybe it updates every two or three weeks then? 10:43:15 oh great! I didn't notice this book 10:43:18 I'll have to read it 10:44:04 aaaaah the IOCCC people replies to one of my tweets! 10:45:14 Tanelle. you tweet? 10:45:32 boily, had an account for a while, never really used it much until literally two days ago 10:45:34 @Ngevd 10:45:34 Unknown command, try @list 10:45:44 Apologies, lambdabot 10:49:44 @botsnack 10:49:44 :) 10:51:51 Taneb: oh! can you link? 10:52:12 https://twitter.com/Ngevd/status/620899140835237888 10:52:18 oh! 10:52:41 they already have a date for the next ioccc, when the programs from the previous one isn't even public yet 10:52:49 and it will start... what when? 10:52:55 b_jonas, they were made public today I think 10:53:09 And I think it will start... SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THEY ANNOUNCED IT 10:54:17 what how 10:54:20 how can this even work? 10:54:30 if it's started, shouldn't that be annoucned on http://www.de.ioccc.org/index.html 10:54:38 or is the mirror out of date? 10:54:58 oh SHIT! 10:55:01 the mirror is out of date 10:55:20 http://www.ioccc.org/index.html has announced the start of the contest 10:55:36 and they dared to make it overlap with the icfp contest, when that was announced like months ago? 10:57:12 how does this even work? 11:02:04 Taneb: thanks for the note 11:02:05 -!- ^sez has joined. 11:02:10 and good luck 11:02:12 oh. new ioccc contest is running? 11:02:17 You too, if you're entering, b_jonas 11:03:14 mroman_: yes, apparently backdated to before they even released the names of the winners of the previous one, and it shows up on only some of the official ioccc mirror sites 11:03:17 mroman_: crazy 11:04:31 The guidelines says "There are 29 reasons why these guidelines seem obfuscated." but now they're obfuscating even the fact that there's a new contest 11:08:18 Taneb: and the tweet https://twitter.com/ioccc/status/620875879711780864 is from today too 11:08:45 apparently they did it to get a funny timestamp or something 11:08:47 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ANNULAR CHICKEN). 11:08:50 still 11:21:39 bastards. 11:56:16 -!- x1365C has joined. 11:56:45 -!- x10A94 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 11:59:11 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 11:59:34 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:06:28 -!- olsner has joined. 12:08:15 -!- x1365C has changed nick to x10A94. 12:08:56 http://www.ioccc.org/png/ioccc.png 12:11:14 -!- TieSoul has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:18:02 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 12:19:17 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:25:36 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:26:56 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 12:32:23 -!- aretecode has joined. 12:53:23 -!- ^sez has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 12:57:11 -!- TieSoul has joined. 13:01:19 -!- ^sez has joined. 13:08:19 -!- _256Q has joined. 13:08:19 -!- _256Q has quit (Changing host). 13:08:19 -!- _256Q has joined. 13:22:12 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:25:40 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:28:20 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 14:58:31 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBL). 15:00:55 -!- rdococ has joined. 15:06:34 -!- FreeFull has joined. 15:14:30 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:21:32 -!- staffehn has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 15:24:29 -!- staffehn has joined. 15:31:59 -!- shikhin has joined. 15:39:58 -!- FreeFull has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:45:11 -!- FreeFull has joined. 15:58:40 -!- mauris has joined. 15:59:31 Is depending on GTK or something too much for an IOCCC program? 16:14:47 -!- mauris_ has joined. 16:16:16 think so 16:16:19 is that even allowed? 16:16:24 although actually now that I think about it 16:16:29 they've allowed X programs in the past, haven't they? 16:17:19 Nothing in the rules against it 16:17:26 Guidelines say: 16:17:27 X client entries should avoid using X related libraries and 16:17:27 software that is not in wide spread use. 16:17:37 We don't like entries that use proprietary toolkits such as the M*tif, 16:17:37 Xv*ew, or OpenL*ok toolkits, since not everyone has them. Use of an 16:17:37 open source toolkit that is widely and freely available instead. 16:18:06 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:18:12 In any case I am having second thoughts about how I want to do rendering 16:21:33 -!- mauris_ has changed nick to mauris. 16:22:12 use glxgears 16:22:58 As a library??? 16:26:05 yes 16:26:50 Do you mean GLX? 16:26:56 no 16:27:08 i mean the one with the three colored gears 16:27:27 That is possible to use a library?!?!? 16:28:41 you're smart 16:28:47 you can figure it out 16:38:12 I might even just use Xlib 16:48:07 -!- mihow has joined. 16:53:05 -!- idris-bot has joined. 16:55:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:10:39 No, 14th of July, 7:49 <-- hm is that "coincidentally" the exact time for the new horizon flyby? 17:11:58 * oerjan looks at actual what-if 17:12:28 hah 17:14:47 Taneb: good luck! 17:16:45 stupid google is doing that thing where it thinks i prefer norwegian wikipedia again 17:16:59 (and not even putting the english on the first page) 17:17:52 or second, for that matter. 17:19:27 ah wikipedia confirms 7:49 EDT, randall's on the east coast isn't he? 17:20:08 "On July 14, 2015 11:49 UTC (07:49 EDT), the New Horizons spacecraft flew 12,600 km (7,800 mi) from the surface of Pluto." 17:21:33 -!- Wright has joined. 17:21:34 -!- Wright_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:22:34 b_jonas: conclusion, there was nothing random about the update time whatsoever hth 17:25:22 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:26:22 oerjan: yep 18:05:48 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Seriously. 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