< 1437868831 326338 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[1..l]>>[1]|l<-[1..]] < 1437868835 14277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,1],[1,1,1],[1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,... < 1437868941 657391 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that isn't actually shorter than map(`replicate`1)[1..] :( < 1437868960 216991 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's cute and monad-y < 1437869016 548867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate(1:)[1] < 1437869018 136123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,1],[1,1,1],[1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,... < 1437869022 396924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1437869070 810501 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1437869084 93937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1437869122 203448 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$([1]:).(map(1:)) < 1437869123 906673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,1],[1,1,1],[1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,1,1,1,1,1],[1,1,... < 1437869141 605609 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does fix do < 1437869164 523203 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = f (f (f (f (f ...)))) < 1437869186 971313 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric := f (fix f) < 1437869195 231988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that with the right amount of laziness, it's constant space < 1437869219 760770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the inner fix f is the same thunk as the whole < 1437869234 886430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fix < 1437869234 992535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = let x = f x in x < 1437869276 808490 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src iterate < 1437869276 902944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate f x = x : iterate f (f x) < 1437869332 425959 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : = fix ((x:) . map f) < 1437869353 280861 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that will line up for me but like, nobody else, rip < 1437869355 318892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember someone asking (SO or reddit) why it wasn't the latter < 1437869381 139924 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are there subtle, _|_-related differences < 1437869397 470715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's probably entirely equivalent semantically < 1437869427 230248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm wondering now is why it isn't iterate f x = go x where go x = x : go (f x) < 1437869441 472384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the standard thing < 1437869447 305250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check actual ghc source < 1437869467 412541 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should it? < 1437869533 518441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope ghc is the same but it has a build rule < 1437869594 717178 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bothers me that it would be at all better, for whatever reason, to define it that way :( < 1437869608 530266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the go prevents the f from being passed as a parameter again < 1437869616 357841 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1437869626 401071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it _actually_ matters nowadays, but it's traditional < 1437869647 913203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it makes the recursion slightly more efficient < 1437869710 809412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the build rule for list fusion is more important < 1437869727 298803 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmyqnqjkpbldwsfq JOIN :#esoteric < 1437869737 828955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :means the list might not be allocated at all if consumed efficiently < 1437869738 673741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make virtual spaces enabled in vi only when the ^V command is used? (I didn't even know about that command before yesterday when I pushed it by accident, but it seem like that command would be useful to have a virtual space mode) < 1437869784 183243 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "stdio.h" < 1437869784 237376 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :void rep(char *s){while(*s)fputs(s+1,stdout),--*s;putchar(10);} < 1437869784 237457 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :void rrp(char *s){while(*s)s[1]=*s,rep(s+1),--*s;} < 1437869806 351664 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){rrp("\003 *");} < 1437869835 697576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, there is a "virtualedit" option < 1437869854 946561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do they do? < 1437869911 646940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^V is rectangular block selection < 1437869946 591854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that in windows it's ^Q instead, because ^V is paste < 1437870042 187826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, virtualedit is nice, not just for ^V commands but also for some tabular stuff < 1437870072 182661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i usually only enable it when i want it < 1437870099 724021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it makes it harder to go to the _actual_ end of line < 1437870150 880095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write :set ve=block for only in block selection mode < 1437870160 593718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I put in < 1437870257 634700 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1437870620 203392 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1437870620 706654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 260000Z 08007KT 20SM FEW055 FEW140 BKN280 20/14 A2995 RMK SC2AC1CI4 AC TR SLP141 DENSITY ALT 800FT < 1437871829 797061 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1437872177 794813 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437872254 338073 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1437872394 795246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437872704 837405 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437872739 646126 :h0rsep0wer!~jjsjdkofs@191.46.114.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437873391 633408 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437873402 659379 :h0rsep0wer!~jjsjdkofs@191.46.114.220 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437873862 28224 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437874987 49460 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seriously bothers me about ruby: https://bpaste.net/show/76f16b0a9fe8 < 1437875018 902849 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seriously have to write a loop, or use a really ugly ".inject{}" syntax, to sum some values < 1437875061 802385 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't be so bad except, http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.2/Array.html#M000413 llllook at all of this nonsense it DOES ship with < 1437875180 398500 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh all that on top of http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.2/Enumerable.html of course < 1437875251 895492 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it seems you can write [3, 4, 5].reduce(0, :+) now which is a bit better < 1437876614 384347 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby is not a very well designed language < 1437876703 12115 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is better. perl is worse designed but is more mature and has a better collection of libraries < 1437876786 444791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: What's wrong with inject? < 1437876808 778124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doesn't have a built-in sum method" is pretty silly, of all the complaints you could make about Ruby. < 1437876817 636087 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. there's nothing wrong with a for loop either! < 1437876831 722603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3, 4, 5].inject(0, &:+) < 1437876849 214852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably slightly nicer than .inject(0, :+) < 1437876859 396873 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1..10).select &:even? < 1437876867 806066 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexu < 1437876869 280053 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying, if #repeated_permutation exists, you would really expect #sum to exist as well! < 1437876939 50511 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubyists both (a) clearly like "big" interfaces that provide everything you need including the #kitchen_sink, and (b) take sums of things often, because everyone does that < 1437876964 202440 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, rails even monkey patches it into Enumerable or something bafflingly Ruby-ish like that?? < 1437877058 376818 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SHIFTED CHICKEN < 1437877698 332944 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1437878339 275150 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1437878527 218310 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat the hell do u mean I can't use unary plus on a pointer?!?! < 1437878614 773173 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I get it. I forgot one of the plusses in my *++s < 1437878703 459734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can't use unary plus on a pointer? < 1437878721 163448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats on making a no-op that sometimes doesn't work, C standard designers ;-) < 1437878723 554977 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not. < 1437878761 437800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary plus should really mean abs() < 1437878773 298921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then unary minus should be -abs() < 1437878811 479832 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's unary -+ < 1437878870 221010 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe +- jsut to confuse people < 1437878901 562044 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean - -x already menas different from --x < 1437879067 774487 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT : < 1437879078 35770 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1437879101 527362 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-~+~-x == x < 1437879274 580958 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write j++ as ~-(j=-~j) < 1437879511 527230 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also write NULL as 0xff&0xff00. < 1437879715 126454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen -~ and ~- suggested as "+1" and "-1" operators < 1437879726 940045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by Raymond Chen, who was uncharacteristically for him trolling) < 1437879736 195519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which way round they are offhand < 1437879904 908530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is OK if you cannot make unary plus on a pointer, in case a null pointer isn't zero on your computer < 1437879943 456199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't think of that but yes it can work, it look like < 1437879980 495595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might help in some code-golfs if the precedence is wrong to otherwise write +1 and -1 < 1437880100 39541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("%d", 1+~+1); < 1437880105 237784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1 < 1437880152 192391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("%d", 1-~-1); < 1437880154 458462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1437880349 811634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: gudnajt < 1437881055 67056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "créée" is a word in French? or is that a typo? < 1437881062 134614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of vowels to have in a row < 1437881332 274605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a typo < 1437881345 473931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "created" < 1437881354 591793 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps, the last e is silent < 1437881365 67740 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait < 1437881366 581848 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1437881370 928083 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I think the last e shouldn't be htere < 1437881372 825696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1437881400 444979 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :créée would be feminine < 1437881426 780769 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just been too long since I'm written French < 1437881445 701900 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1437881455 760138 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you *can* use créée for a feminine object, although it's uncommon < 1437881577 327809 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1437881994 507906 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1437882054 470338 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1437882967 331227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I translated it as "created" from context and because I recognised the route < 1437882972 434682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realise it was a gendered version, though < 1437882974 736257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the root < 1437882987 297187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no wonder the final e is dying out < 1437883093 28442 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm misreading, but to *me* it looks like "cr??e". < 1437883102 150189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question marks are e-acutes < 1437883104 661322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them < 1437883122 268393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my client sent them in Latin-1 (they're in that charset) rather than UTF-8? < 1437883138 430732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is set to UTF-8 mode, though < 1437883155 908577 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gotta be weirder than that, because my client on invalid UTF-8 tries Latin-1. < 1437883173 360677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this coppro's use of the word or mine that you're checking? < 1437883197 855699 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are showing as the string "cr??e". < 1437883201 816654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1437883206 426479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a misconfiguration to me < 1437883210 721781 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, no kidding. < 1437883216 166798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of any obvious ones that'd cause that result < 1437883220 452329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially seeing two ? rather than four < 1437883240 162514 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been using this irssi config for ages. < 1437883250 212410 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in screen? < 1437883250 421361 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And accented characters have shown just fine before. < 1437883252 890324 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1437883255 517488 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually that's my problem < 1437883260 536930 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen gets misconfigured < 1437883263 256603 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck screen. < 1437883264 144236 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it fucking sucks < 1437883294 532412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ^A:utf8 on < 1437883303 398454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen gives two potentially broken connections, one from the inside program to screen, one from screen to the outside program < 1437883313 229055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME the inside one breaks more often < 1437883333 977552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and it's annoying because ^A:utf8 on doesn't always fix it < 1437883339 19566 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inside one *appears* to currently be UTF-8. < 1437883367 230337 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaaagh*, yep, it's definitely just doing that on all UTF-8. < 1437883371 631028 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you screen, fuck you. < 1437883401 161021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the description of the problem < 1437883410 651063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's actually the outside connection that's broken here < 1437883413 530493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the inside one is working fine < 1437883417 665064 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like. < 1437883433 954397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that us sending Latin-1 wouldn't help at all < 1437883450 932392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough to test: cre < 1437883455 234480 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For extra fun, though, I'm *literally* using "screen -U" to attach to the session. < 1437883462 203777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's Latin-1) < 1437883493 992577 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what the ever loving fuck < 1437883500 980414 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DID THAT GET SET IN MY ENVIRONMENT < 1437883504 12663 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C < 1437883505 857451 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu PART :#esoteric < 1437883512 230566 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd do it. < 1437883517 904288 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what the fuck? < 1437883521 666375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should it be? C.UTF-8? en_US.UTF-8? < 1437883531 359938 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_US.UTF-8 < 1437883541 742677 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: -U is ignored when attaching < 1437883545 643191 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( `^A:utf8 on on' ) < 1437883547 800364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a French locale installed for debugging locale-related problems < 1437883564 171407 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it got set because screen fucking sucks < 1437883590 485626 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono. *Outside of screen* LANG=C. < 1437883594 392406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen is a constant source of aggravation to me in NH4 < 1437883596 610538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ipbt is worse, though) < 1437883601 31150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq < 1437883604 370045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with ipbt is that it can decode codes that it can't render < 1437883604 424264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Mountain View? < 1437883608 126415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it fails to fall back gracefully < 1437883612 334726 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Mostly good. < 1437883618 582473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you in Milpitas? < 1437883620 188852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good view of the mountain? < 1437883626 134572 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in north San Jose ATM. < 1437883626 346531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it misleadingly named? < 1437883632 760382 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adjacent to Milpitas. < 1437883646 632785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is a decent view of adjoining mountains. < 1437883771 634685 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ohhh < 1437883807 526615 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flips off Debian < 1437883808 356994 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437883814 603264 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is mysterious. < 1437883825 488944 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437883836 504601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: where is your locale set? < 1437883843 843331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it'd be in .bashrc or the like < 1437883848 641447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it isn't being set anywhere and is defaulting to C < 1437883861 431881 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea where it's getting set, it previously was getting set to en_US.UTF-8. < 1437883876 75735 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not *defaulting to C*. In that case LANG would be unset. < 1437883883 493435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1437883885 127721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is *being explicitly set to C*. < 1437883902 354183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be set in some process a long way up the tree (probably not init, but…), and never being unset < 1437883916 219510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would laugh so much if it were systemd < 1437883925 825957 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1437883946 153822 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist PART :#esoteric < 1437883950 113534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first thought upon seeing the username: "herbs in ADOM would be Turing-complete, if it had infinitely large levels, and were designed specifically to do that" < 1437883970 953254 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obvious easy solution is a big hammer: add LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to .profile < 1437883984 259926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possibility: was in the wrong #esoteric and noticed upon seeing the join method < 1437883992 589376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's not only easy, it's also arguably correct < 1437884059 961148 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1437884089 451283 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, locale is a per-user configuration setting, after all. < 1437884177 333583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That at least answers most of my questions. < 1437884506 623562 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1437884654 896383 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437884739 792234 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have utf-8 characters in my screen statuslien < 1437884750 972190 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never seems to mess up < 1437884783 566643 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASUS Broken 時 Jul 26 Sun 00:26 窓 0 bash 1 bash 2* bash < 1437884796 540261 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437884821 753395 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437884827 615730 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437884832 60812 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :orenwatson.be 時 Jul 26 Sun 04:27 窓 0* bash < 1437884864 100865 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the inner screen on orenwatson.be < 1437884865 798596 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437884867 607435 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-136-42.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437886144 197542 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1437887424 758163 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437888782 103430 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437889050 621648 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437889074 298314 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437889282 745846 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1437889406 88217 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437889428 208068 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437889450 66110 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437889885 322110 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1437889994 433630 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437890009 971682 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437890033 298607 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437890189 388432 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ijrxagtzexblfwjn QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1437890409 582731 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odqueskwbmalkziq JOIN :#esoteric < 1437890442 378402 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437890473 408256 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437890875 322508 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437890915 298640 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437890938 505042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wallacoloo: your connection problems are spamming the channel < 1437891003 447950 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shoot. Sorry ais523. I'm troubleshooting driver issues with steam on Linux & my IRC client is configured to autoconnect whenever my desktop starts. < 1437891015 296455 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll disable that for now xD < 1437891018 192523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you probably didn't know, which is why I let you know < 1437891023 204310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem < 1437891056 652823 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437891115 508453 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu PART :#esoteric < 1437891310 593473 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1437891861 155368 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437891931 596588 :cryptography!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437891954 272075 :cryptography!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Client Quit < 1437891986 611483 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437892091 118125 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are esoteric algorithms allowed on Esolangs? < 1437892128 408092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the example? < 1437892153 404979 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like dropsort < 1437892170 525223 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, go through the list, and drop any item that comes after something it should come before < 1437892186 901987 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ALWAYS produces a correctly-sorted list, though it's a lossy algorithm < 1437892196 384129 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in O(n-1) I believe < 1437892202 281627 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can do better: return the first element < 1437892206 236903 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(1) < 1437892225 690371 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's O(n+1) < 1437892234 26626 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1437892243 464187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what you are trying to do clearly, if it is better or not < 1437892247 568984 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just an index extraction < 1437892254 990073 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't count if it's constant length < 1437892257 578194 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do even better < 1437892259 198600 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Return 0 < 1437892260 215742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's O(n) in both cases < 1437892261 862192 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) = O(n-1) = O(n+1) < 1437892262 991644 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or [0] < 1437892268 930331 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1437892270 331197 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1437892270 877419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're confused about how big-O notation works < 1437892275 488851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's asymptotic < 1437892276 744913 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1437892279 278229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as n gets larger, it dwarfs the 1 < 1437892285 270594 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never understood it < 1437892296 386463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it weird < 1437892309 967389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*n > n+1 for every n < 1437892315 308843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: basically you omit all details that become irrelevant as n gets larger < 1437892321 489253 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1437892323 111662 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1437892327 375039 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there clearly is a constant to make n an upper bound of n+1 < 1437892334 20232 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one could argue that returning [0] is even MORE efficient < 1437892342 506105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the proportion of the whole thing they are tends to zero < 1437892342 608955 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Than returning the first element that is < 1437892354 518221 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: depending on your architecture < 1437892359 21826 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1437892362 594026 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as a rule < 1437892364 809491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you ignore any effects that would simply multiply by a constant, or anything bounded by a constant < 1437892368 530473 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literals are more efficient < 1437892386 864167 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But back to the original question < 1437892393 272762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so O(2*n**2 + n) = O(2*n**2) (n is dwarfed) = O(n**2) (ignore multiplication by a constant) < 1437892399 856556 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Esoteric Algorithms allowed on Esolangs? < 1437892401 59950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fastest you can get is O(1) < 1437892403 290344 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it language-only < 1437892405 441967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think dropsort would be < 1437892411 520146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because it isn't very interesting < 1437892420 82933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something along those lines could be < 1437892421 319393 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1437892425 875074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the fastest is o(1) :p < 1437892426 183890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you made it into an esolang somehow < 1437892435 463350 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about esoteric algorithms in general < 1437892439 603529 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes < 1437892441 563563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: does that even make sense? :-P < 1437892453 294248 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be well-encouraged to make an Esoalg in an Esolang < 1437892467 487732 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 1/n is in o(1), i don't know an algorithm with that runtime, though < 1437892469 923720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have seen the esoteric list of sorting algorithm < 1437892473 400284 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you think I'd get in trouble if I created a page for an Esoteric Algorithm? < 1437892483 488324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Parts of algorithms can be faster than O(1) time. < 1437892484 700642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that implies it gets faster the more work it has to do < 1437892495 24884 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1437892498 598402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. O(1/n) for part of an amortized thing. < 1437892508 2836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course you end up with O(1+1/n) overall, which is just O(1). < 1437892521 30757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1437892529 315034 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what triggered this: < 1437892531 469255 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal approach on randomized algorithms < 1437892532 22633 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric < 1437892537 166353 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryptological < 1437892538 478615 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Systems < 1437892550 405568 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created the #esocrypt IRC on here < 1437892555 410095 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who wants to join can < 1437892557 214144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't actually useful for sorting but some may have other uses in the proper program, whether it is Drop Sort or Intelligent Design Sort or whatever < 1437892563 938091 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n log n)/n^2 is in o(1) and exists in amortized problems < 1437892581 651468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Intelligent Design Sort is where you return the list itself, and require someone else to have laready ordered it < 1437892589 997140 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./join #esocrypt < 1437892597 838263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, you assume it is already in the optimial order, I know < 1437892622 301313 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a "efficient c programming" course here < 1437892622 854732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was meant to be a question < 1437892628 71744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forgot the question mark < 1437892643 650231 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought we should make "unefficient assembly programming" as a contest < 1437892655 823647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be used in cases where it is too difficult/complicated to figure out the proper algorithm to make the optimal order for whatever it is, such as if an ordinary sort doesn't work for some reason < 1437892673 123697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that still looks reasonable? < 1437892687 700084 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve a problem as slow as possible so that you cannot drop any part of the code to make it faster and still solve the problem < 1437892690 894811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that can be arbitrarily stupid? < 1437892722 177963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, something like stoogesort or bogosort can't be meaningfully simplified and yet is very slow compared to other algorithms < 1437892727 358199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stoogesort is hilarious) < 1437892740 351457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bogosort cannot be made faster by dropping stuff, but quicksort where you multiply your input and divide it again can < 1437892753 149478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What idea you have of esoteric cryptological systems? < 1437892759 59413 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None yet < 1437892763 828539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437892764 154002 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I made the IRC for :P < 1437892782 953078 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. we have to make a brainfuck interpreter in assembly < 1437892800 39282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i had students that wrote binary search for the command to execute < 1437892828 55030 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way they always have 4 comparisons and jumps for every command instead of a maximum of 8 < 1437892845 322460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just post on here when you have some, or a section in your userpage; this channel is logged too < 1437892858 561058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: how does that compare performance-wise to a jump table? < 1437892865 802181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never sure whether jump tables are really fast or really slow in asm < 1437892876 616643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did any of your students do RLE? < 1437892878 876069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be the fastest < 1437892898 582110 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, binary search is pretty useless on real brainfuck code < 1437892924 142757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would check in the order of how common they are in larger code < 1437892947 934362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like + and > are way more often used than , in a typical.bf programm < 1437892970 906754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump table probably does work more fast. But, in what computer is this assembly language of? < 1437892998 556120 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wrote 64 bit nasm < 1437893015 820988 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, nothing specifically < 1437893054 185146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: jump tables can ruin branch prediction < 1437893086 248310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43589&oldid=43202 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+430) 10Added a link to my #esocrypt IRC channel. Please don't hurt me, I just want people to know it exists, and it's more-or-less relevant. < 1437893095 15666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you are using a computer with hardware branch prediction < 1437893095 956924 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't hurt me < 1437893110 38991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose x86 probably does < 1437893115 729928 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby don't hurt me < 1437893116 742909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I program in 6502 assembly language myself < 1437893201 852695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a more sensible system; I don't like hardware branch prediction it should be made in software. < 1437893251 177403 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need help with IRC :/ < 1437893262 570456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What help you need? < 1437893265 464970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well branch hinting is done by arranging code so that the branch being taken is the likely path, and the branch not being taken is the unlikely path < 1437893273 709386 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I set up my channel such that other people can't gain control over it by using my username? < 1437893289 137380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Use the CS command; see CS HELP for details < 1437893295 426073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need NS < 1437893300 881251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: first you need to register with NickServ < 1437893312 180985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do "/msg nickserv help" for info, which many clients can abbreviate "/ns help" < 1437893313 677091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the "NS HELP" command for details about how to register < 1437893331 961671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you register the channel with ChanServ "/msg chanserv help" or "/cs help" for info < 1437893347 152038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NS and CS shortcuts were possibly designed for zzo38 ;-) < 1437893374 576883 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about featuring funciton? :p < 1437893381 505930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: needs a blurb < 1437893385 899069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put on the main page < 1437893398 834939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to write those is the main reason we rarely get new featured languages < 1437893565 586391 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437893571 282979 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I registered with nickserv < 1437893593 13971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]; Now you would need chanserv also, then. < 1437893596 235500 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437893614 396202 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would do /msg chanserv register < 1437893616 678016 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for that/ < 1437893621 71166 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that? < 1437893637 202889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the help files first < 1437893682 353203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 6502 codes to make a jump table I generally will make two tables, one with the high byte of one less than the address to jump to, and one with the low byte of one less than the address to jump to; I use macro to do this. Many people though seem not doing it like this < 1437893740 961218 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437893745 698008 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered with Chanserv < 1437893756 434384 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all I need do to keep secure? < 1437893759 485433 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess no < 1437893778 895028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to remember your password < 1437893799 715395 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I remember that < 1437893801 197469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, at this point (so long as you use the channel often enough that it doesn't get dropped), you have control of the channel and can stop unauthorized uses < 1437893815 48281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they won't stop automatically < 1437893818 196232 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my kind-of-secure but not-too-secure password < 1437893820 456537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually have to turn up to stop them < 1437893861 354164 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1437893863 989276 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437893938 408280 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need someone to join :P < 1437894036 401764 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should establish a new Mailing list < 1437894049 442733 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been involved in a mailing list that I was actually interested in.. < 1437894050 485904 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1437894159 380589 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advice of a friend of mine: do not subscribe to lkml unless you know you either delete regularly or have a client that can handle deleting of huge amount of mails < 1437894246 162124 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is malbolge turing complete? < 1437894279 136754 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's unknown < 1437894285 309145 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/unknown/classified < 1437894316 38661 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write a bf interpreter in it :p < 1437894322 953055 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1437894326 411055 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S possible < 1437894393 721795 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill just ask the creator < 1437894444 21298 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1437894450 668301 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S possible < 1437894522 738299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: Malbolge itself isn't TC < 1437894525 776342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of finite memory < 1437894535 993381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a variant Malbolge-T that might be, but hasn't been proven to do so < 1437894560 518669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge seems to be able to handle arbitrary control flow and arbitrary action at an arbitrary point, so it's just the data storage that's the problem < 1437894603 23367 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make a variant of malbolge that has a large finite memory < 1437894611 886403 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it plausible? < 1437894622 789569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just increase the number of trits beyond 10 < 1437894627 549978 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? < 1437894640 584747 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting my own Esoteric Programming Shit mailing list < 1437894654 460538 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be completely uninteresting :P < 1437894661 979633 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why not start it? < 1437894709 976721 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I could do that too < 1437894735 767104 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437894766 322383 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who wants to join email esolangsmailinglist@gmail.com and tell me < 1437894847 310123 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how welcome is it to extend somebody elses language? should i make a fork or a section in the article with my idea? < 1437894894 158745 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1437894905 807154 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you're supposed to edit the article itself < 1437894912 663106 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would make my own article < 1437895111 70938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might depend, what languages are you intend to extend? Malbolge, or others, or what? < 1437895124 886173 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail < 1437895127 470154 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say no matter what, make your own article < 1437895146 374598 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does anybody want to join the mailing list? < 1437895228 845063 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what the limes are all about? < 1437895259 915206 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are tasty < 1437895285 747526 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No really < 1437895291 972291 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats the logo < 1437895303 280809 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lime is a language I think < 1437895317 857820 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limes make 99 bottles of beer taste better < 1437895373 644059 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing it with anything else makes beer taste better :p < 1437895433 956015 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace the entire beer with lime < 1437895530 406570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as in case you do not want to get drunk from too much beer) < 1437895543 22718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 99 is probably too much beer) < 1437895630 530164 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no one wants to join the mailing list either? < 1437895687 235801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose nobody does at this time anyways < 1437895694 878223 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK :/ < 1437895770 336407 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ok hppavillion[1] < 1437895783 825537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyone who does later can write the message to you isn't it? < 1437895792 200504 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1437895794 359955 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine < 1437895895 974011 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1437895921 612608 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437896295 128306 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm-a-back < 1437896567 82484 :Walpurgisnacht!~Nihilumbr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1437896571 775267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. i have a back < 1437896727 700366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what SQLite extensions Mozilla defines (if any)? < 1437897060 664473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1437897200 291914 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1437897634 437852 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437897674 425601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1437897902 411215 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1437898283 846290 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437898543 796955 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1437899445 629936 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437902875 153592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43590&oldid=40285 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+402) 10Checked all 0-255 for wrapping, LH cells, value in current cells and general formatting. < 1437903648 355570 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1437904840 700093 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1437905274 318580 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437905377 457992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1437905452 405098 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1437905477 61834 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1437906054 478898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data List a = [] | a : List a < 1437906067 424921 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the actual haskell implementation? < 1437906141 267108 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, well, instead of List it's [], which is special < 1437906152 434014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the definition is certainly equivalent to that < 1437906225 169830 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woud you be able to define something like that with the syntactic sugar yourself or does it actually need support from.the compiler? < 1437906302 916031 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437906365 761914 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs support from the compiler < 1437907086 233660 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it doesn't in, for example, Agda) < 1437907175 305129 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437907681 187727 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only for the data [a] or also for the : constructor? < 1437907697 250354 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. is it possible to use ? as infix constructor < 1437908175 502957 :x1365C!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908221 500916 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908284 352055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, infix constructors must begin with a colon < 1437908329 731953 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-240.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908335 729644 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908338 630159 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1437908391 748959 :edwardk_!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908432 645880 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908670 519288 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908748 138745 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908748 434838 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908748 581765 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmyqnqjkpbldwsfq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908748 900204 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908750 803 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908750 350261 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-240.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908750 568422 :staffehn!~quassel@staffehn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908750 622727 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908751 116253 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908751 170611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1437908753 691505 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Lymia < 1437908825 100632 :edwardk_!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk NICK :edwardk < 1437908844 533217 :x1365C!x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1437908909 950294 :bb010g_!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tfhcxcjzthxmqvbc JOIN :#esoteric < 1437908974 817118 :bb010g_!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tfhcxcjzthxmqvbc NICK :bb010g < 1437909149 864904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1437909313 658656 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1437911329 898516 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437911617 850931 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1437911836 82500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear friends, Good day! Glade to know you are engaged in amusement attractions." < 1437911839 135810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know I was. < 1437911863 818606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laurie from Tianjin Mickrod International Trade Co., Ltd wants to sell me electric trackless trains. < 1437911925 204457 :t3cora18!~t3cora18@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1437911953 867609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, spam to wiki@esolangs.org too. I haven't seen much of that. < 1437911963 132288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam in Swedish, even. < 1437912026 743354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish and Polish. < 1437912064 481648 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1437912097 520664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's the same thing ("free link exchange"), but from "different" people, in English, German, Swedish and Polish. < 1437913306 504933 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1437913329 424633 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1437913775 10685 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashes, enterprise edition: https://github.com/mbuettner/retina < 1437913827 332075 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, it's more similar to Thue.) < 1437914161 688660 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://endless.horse/ < 1437915393 346669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1437915422 666486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, what's sed for joining lines? < 1437915458 306240 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr -d \n < 1437915484 607685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: complicated, i have to look it up every time < 1437915500 434253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed ':;N;s/\n/, /g;t' < 1437915506 712791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to join with comma-space < 1437915535 993963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'll just stick to perl for this < 1437915537 877286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh all lines < 1437915549 723123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: possibly just some lines < 1437915557 599944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all lines in this simple case < 1437915563 649454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess I could just use ed or ex < 1437915656 785899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :%j works in ex < 1437915786 853419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they should just have made a stream version of ex < 1437915810 691567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm generally satisfied with doing everything with perl < 1437915815 774900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno why I even tried sed for this < 1437915829 785470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know perl well enough to do these kinds of things easily < 1437915868 307734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes a wind blowing up there, high above b_jonas  < 1437915895 212479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a wind < 1437915931 455016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful, it can get strong < 1437915942 859944 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Streaming ex in batch ed? < 1437915970 475837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Windstorm with X=7 strong potentially < 1437916488 465583 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1437916507 586491 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1437916617 370387 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437916860 685355 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1437917026 966118 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437917232 609642 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1437917314 933605 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1437917355 385989 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1437918091 343116 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1437918582 464479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I created the #esocrypt IRC on here <-- great, now you'll get necromancers looking for the other kind of #esoteric < 1437918582 558661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437918624 353920 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1437918771 710748 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaurgh. mosquito bite on the top of my foot. < 1437918781 164333 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scratch scratch scratch < 1437918810 546093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosquitos are tiny vampires. soon you'll turn into one and start hanging out at #esocrypt. < 1437918962 217696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mosquito < 1437918963 13143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosquito? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1437918970 927149 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437918976 446915 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helleu! < 1437918989 826929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Mosquitos are tiny vampires, sucking out your soul. < 1437918991 932110 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mosquito': Mosquitos are tiny vampires, sucking out your soul. < 1437919003 757938 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I have a soul to start with... < 1437919015 53856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they got you earlier < 1437919086 999938 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't surprise me. once got tired counting bites after some day during a vacation. < 1437919103 18757 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we were camping in Connecticut or something. < 1437919210 88257 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1437919235 610423 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bœrjan matin! < 1437919246 961778 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hellooodl! < 1437919267 950213 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily~ < 1437919315 319843 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 i remember which way around -~ and ~- work by looking which way the squiggle points. right is +1, left is -1 < 1437919315 550266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437919335 982918 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437919367 365377 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437919391 941098 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437919392 567999 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1437919392 622297 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437919437 775139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hily < 1437919495 112562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spring -~, fall ~- < 1437919671 730788 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Tonsil A has "sqiggle" for "~". < 1437919977 384394 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 also créée is totally a (common) word! dutch has "zeeën" which is similarly typo-looking and means "seas" < 1437919977 661393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437920014 808574 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 that ridiculous welsh place name has "llll" in it i guess, but i wonder if there's a less contrived example (although the welsh would count it as two letters, ll+ll) < 1437920014 980375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437920260 687216 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course créée is a word. it has two «é» to make sure it's real! the more diacritics, the realer the word. < 1437920298 7015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1437920323 634264 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas! < 1437920341 258932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zeeën" looks funny < 1437920373 91888 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it pronounced? < 1437920387 119435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it's written I guess < 1437920420 572909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Finnish has any word with more than two of the same character repeated consecutively. But there were mentions of some other oddities I found when looking for one, like five consecutive double letters ("liikkeessään") and 14 consecutive "dots" ("pääjääjää"). < 1437920430 23406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1437920434 200933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like bookkeeper? < 1437920457 306251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a compound? No, neither of those are compound words. < 1437920495 856666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many consecutive dots... yeah, there was some funny word with lots of dots in Hungarian. they look especially funny in handwriting styles where "ü" and "ii" looks exactly the same < 1437920530 14472 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :üïüïüïü ♪ < 1437920591 504289 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: [ˈzeːjə] < 1437920650 413462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian has specific rules that forbid three consecutive copies of the same consonant, so they're always reduced to two or written with a hyphen, probably because three wouldn't be pronounced differently from two anyway < 1437920700 598453 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: /mɛʁsi/! < 1437920736 656805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"liikkeessään" is formed approximately as "liike" (motion, shop) -> "liike" + "-ssä" = "liikkeessä" (inessive case + some mutation) -> "liikkeessä" + "-n" -> "liikkeessään" (inflection for third-person singular), e.g. "in his/her shop". < 1437920753 188434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have words like “tollal” (which should really be “tolllal”) and “sakk-kör” (which should be “sakkkör”, the hyphen is completely redundant but the rules ask for it anyway) < 1437920758 963491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess pääjääjää is a bit of a compound, pää + jääjä + inflection. < 1437920803 864340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“tollal” sort of makes sense because it's pronounced like that anyway, and “Papp-pal” is fine as well, but the “sakk-kör” is a pointless rule just to make spelling harder to learn < 1437920912 253295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish compound words insert a hyphen if the same vowel occurs on both sides, which doesn't happen for same consonants. Sadly, we only have double vowels at word ends/beginnings, never double consonants, otherwise you could get triplicate letters. As it is, you can only get stuff like "takaa-ajaja" with a hyphen. < 1437920973 351759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to get a tripled vowel in a Hungarian word < 1437921011 445203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to make up some compound like that < 1437921043 453389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using "Hawaii" would be cheating I guess < 1437921362 556714 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1437921632 424312 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1437921900 891570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we do have consonant elision in some case forms, which does end up in a triple vowel, but the convention is to put an apostrophe in there. So you get from "vaaka" (scale) e.g. the genitive "vaa'an" or the plural "vaa'at". < 1437922050 370819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think there's something special in the pronunciation too, like a glottal stop or at least some sort of stress thing. It's not just a super-long /ɑ/. < 1437922120 636375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I think by the freenode rules you should have called it ##esocrypt, hope this doesn't create any trouble < 1437922120 690671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437922175 809684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have an urge to swat everyone for not mentioning that < 1437922233 165426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawaii also has a glottal stop, in the original < 1437922234 527016 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you meant "swaaat" hth < 1437922258 980278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what, mixing conversations? how rude! < 1437922286 811000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ʋɑːːt/ is maybe how a Finnish person would pronounce an incredulous flat "what.", except I don't think ːː is proper IPA notation. The Wikipedia table has just "long", "half-long" and "extra-short", there's no "extra-long". < 1437922346 318882 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen ːː used < 1437922425 130037 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :“[The sign ː] may be doubled for an extra-long sound...” < 1437922464 553913 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1437922637 875327 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437922875 849041 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437922919 801941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was somethink like /e/, /eˑ/, /eː/, /eːˑ/, /eːː/ for increasing lengths < 1437922947 79041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only two length are differentiated in most languages so we just use /e/ and /eː/ < 1437923252 734827 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1437923318 373555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eːːstonian < 1437923660 968228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Replace the entire beer with lime <-- i am pretty sure i am one of the people who would _not_ find this an improvement < 1437923678 3790 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437923747 405065 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a tiny cfluviurrh interpreter in ruby https://bpaste.net/show/6314e48df018 < 1437923775 919118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think hppavilion[1] is breaking a fundamental rule of esolanging < 1437923787 373919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you cannot manufacture interest in esolangs" < 1437923806 641486 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoid success at all cost? < 1437923827 483914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is possible to succeed, but only by accident < 1437923843 449645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hard work i guess < 1437923870 584813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot _expect_ others to take interest. < 1437924022 740657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iow i predict both his new channel and his new mailing list to fade away shortly < 1437924051 661887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. < 1437924070 530737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's entirely true, though. < 1437924079 729910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the horse-and-water case, I mean. < 1437924158 463885 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1437924196 174997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a sufficiently powerful hose < 1437924576 204849 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1437924583 357019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :theer's a new esolang channel? < 1437924622 31895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esocrypt < 1437924630 898104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crypto? < 1437924634 840578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's not for languages, but encryption < 1437924648 75305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no better esoteric encryption system than using the discrete logarithm < 1437924668 343330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just not thinking quantum enough hth < 1437924682 697226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :g^a = x MOD m, a is the plaintext, (g,m) is the key, x is the cipher text < 1437924776 874103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'call it "you ain't decrypting shit"-system < 1437924799 937005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I give you the key, you will need a lot of effort to decrypt it. < 1437924949 101011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's generally assumed for an encryption system that the _creator_ should be able to decrypt it. < 1437924965 353270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of the key) < 1437925511 495884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437925629 150501 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like fungotcoding. you spew off enough nonsense to be picked by fungot. eventually, the recipient will have invoked fungot enough that it will have generated the original message. < 1437925629 394957 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: be sure to take certain kinds of it are < 1437925689 532819 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good advice fungot. < 1437925689 635858 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the original monkey king series? < 1437925697 772130 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437925748 564257 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Original Infinite Fungot Theorem. < 1437925848 488709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1437925932 567879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://endless.horse/ <-- i approve < 1437925985 904288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it would work better if fizzie ever regenerated the irc style < 1437926006 276870 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1437926114 768336 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome GoToTell < 1437926128 844825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02GoToTell: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1437926134 773441 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have regenerate? < 1437926150 63565 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, hello. < 1437926181 376772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1437927158 201558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Don't tell me how my esocrypt system is supposed to work . < 1437927158 255815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437927175 690688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This oerjan is killing my imagination. < 1437927187 87689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan #nocreativity < 1437927187 192434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437927211 518201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hashtag should emphasize how serious I am about this. < 1437927223 253720 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This oerjan"? there are multiple oerjans out there? < 1437927281 657389 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1437927288 521520 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1437927355 778132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There's always an equal opposite oerjan < 1437927375 559853 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. < 1437927394 848587 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think an opposite oerjan is an int-e hth < 1437927846 820613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43591&oldid=38325 5* 03R.e.s. 5* (+620) 10/* Turing-completeness of BCT without arbitrary memory string as input? */ < 1437928520 566688 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: ECONOMICAL CHICKEN < 1437928535 568469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437928956 390666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1437929230 971663 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437929716 495444 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437929984 452632 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437930376 856535 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1437930400 999607 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1437930811 555338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43592&oldid=41104 5* 03R.e.s. 5* (+704) 10BCT remains TC even if the initial data-string is aways just a single 1; remove reference to defunct website < 1437930948 376348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1437931395 980605 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esolangs based on tag systems (cyclic or not) besides Platts and BCT? < 1437931407 885457 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-76-94.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably? < 1437931438 102230 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-76-94.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag < 1437931525 148521 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah thanks < 1437931555 496101 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-76-94.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyclic tags are one of those things that are done a lot because it's very simple < 1437931570 696415 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tag exists, too. < 1437931586 562856 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-76-94.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyclic tags, brainfuck, logical combinators, cellular automatons < 1437931606 645491 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-76-94.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easy peasy lemon squeezy < 1437931798 857182 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a brainfuck interpreter is usually one of the first things I write in a new language < 1437932045 640281 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1437933121 191527 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cood14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43593 5* 03191.248.34.240 5* (+5484) 10creating page < 1437933128 139714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily No, I'm too afraid. < 1437933128 245512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437933408 516334 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-butouepvrlwhsnmk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1437933416 633850 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437933493 848585 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kjeciaghueulncat JOIN :#esoteric < 1437933537 64946 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :language where before interpreting, the parse tree is height-balanced. < 1437933540 580707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43594&oldid=43543 5* 03191.248.34.240 5* (+11) 10/* C */ cood added < 1437933653 117839 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+y*z+3 -> (x+y)*(z+3) < 1437933670 569771 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1437933974 642817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43595&oldid=43540 5* 0374.15.57.112 5* (+139) 10 < 1437933985 156215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes the topic... damn, so much for that question. < 1437934306 819678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I'd like to questions the legitimacy of questioning the legitimacy of that question.) < 1437935185 698737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no questioning in the topic. < 1437935276 244142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"TOPICALLY OPPRESSED CHICKEN" < 1437935276 334743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1437935318 285433 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with this bullshit < 1437935339 759671 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they display 3d videos with left on top and right below it!?!?!? < 1437935381 560861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's "they"? ... and do they want a wide screen experience? < 1437935452 566144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :speculating, it makes sense for hardware that switches polarity for the whole screen (it would display the video at twice the nominal frame rate). < 1437935562 491866 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in this case I guess "they" woudl be the authors of the mplayer plugin < 1437935645 357402 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the real bullshit, is that someone noticed they did this and then relied on it, to encode a 2d video as 3d to avoid the copyright gestapo < 1437935648 274609 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m890zzNKoGM&feature=html5_3d < 1437935716 150458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... fun :) < 1437936566 990210 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437936814 969215 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437937085 127050 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it make sense to just toss my Firstr profile on the chan? < 1437937126 629738 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong channel. < 1437937468 917880 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/peterferrie/brainfuck6502/blob/master/bf6502.s < 1437937622 678907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1437937816 307155 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :google you have failed me < 1437937892 712736 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437937930 207707 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hia < 1437937981 779993 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1437937990 139116 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did I already greet the server? < 1437937993 781332 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1437937998 672920 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cleared my screen :P < 1437938011 189438 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1437938413 917127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437939042 208187 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see GUI4BF < 1437939055 84589 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeFinter maybe? < 1437939123 790807 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1437939346 219737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1437939372 855331 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1437939375 38821 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeFinter < 1437939381 845773 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either for Befunge or Brainfuck < 1437939776 177971 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437940129 136185 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437941027 289776 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437941638 490050 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1437942663 657671 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437942795 697963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a single other human being today < 1437942807 692395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I do not think I've seen another animal < 1437942824 46631 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feeling pretty lonely :( < 1437942898 208711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about flies < 1437942902 734729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Taneb < 1437942902 958581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Sun Jul 26 21:35:03 < 1437942917 698769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't think I've seen any flie < 1437942918 227210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1437942947 266703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should come to california. lots of humans here. < 1437942969 538556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and poutine, though maybe it's not very good < 1437942973 630165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is far away < 1437942984 350196 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could conceivably make poutine here < 1437943012 149290 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does poutine differ from what I would call "cheesy chips"? < 1437943036 91182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravy < 1437943062 815088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the gravy is usually not vegetarian. < 1437943084 221334 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not fond of gravy < 1437943084 966548 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437943093 796592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it is on really dry meat that needs the taste < 1437943119 43251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well there are things that aren't poutine too < 1437943125 812397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that pretty much covers it < 1437943137 769347 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things here that aren't poutine, too < 1437943147 888932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not humans < 1437943154 786602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some humans, I believe < 1437943159 616371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are just good at hiding < 1437943222 882467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also like two rivers with four letter names < 1437943228 954971 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437943247 422261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK is full of rivers with four letter names < 1437943278 116746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1437943279 671830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is < 1437943303 109976 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here < 1437943308 570121 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you missed it :P < 1437943318 642897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some here too, though. < 1437943330 687366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We didn't miss it. No need to announce. < 1437943345 973339 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1437943351 374417 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking for a way to announce my presence < 1437943356 850425 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I had to psychologically < 1437943376 756405 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not programmed to be introduced automatically < 1437943386 198166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what's Birmingham's river? < 1437943403 574313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the one that goes through Birmingham is the Rea < 1437943415 172171 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not have four letters < 1437943425 763938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1437943457 581088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thames has four letters, when it's called Isis. < 1437943460 289029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it eventually flows into the River Tame, still technically inside Birmingham < 1437943462 634026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that has four letters < 1437943488 656504 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York has the Foss which flows into the Ouse in York < 1437943497 978778 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ouse later flows into the Hull which is not in York < 1437943567 581898 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the Hull becomes the Humber which is neither in York nor 4 letters long < 1437943581 186286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the ones that actually go to the sea have longer names, for some reason < 1437943613 97397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The river I'm most familiar with is the Tyne, which goes right to the sea < 1437944289 267238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1437944332 954768 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437944350 806025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1437944350 924429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman said 4h 46m 32s ago: Don't tell me how my esocrypt system is supposed to work . < 1437944350 978676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman said 4h 46m 3s ago: #nocreativity < 1437944356 411791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: O KAY < 1437944377 765953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman O KAY < 1437944377 858534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437944457 312458 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan < 1437945223 571887 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1437945297 559415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alohaneb < 1437945378 117377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of a PDF reader that can take command line input? < 1437945450 876169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zathura, at least. < 1437945475 446397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Run as "zathura -".) < 1437945523 31684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I'll try that < 1437946092 404251 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second, the Humber? the Humber is a river in Toronto, not England!!! < 1437946141 209656 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where Humber College is < 1437946201 75062 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be appropriate to create a page on the Standard Streams for educational purposes for designers, provided that a few esoteric streams are added? < 1437946250 356163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: lots of places in North America are named after places in the UK < 1437946288 763191 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New York, for example < 1437946291 559309 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or New Ireland < 1437946362 699885 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or New The Master Bathroom in 10 Downing Street < 1437946374 74096 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a standard stream? you mean like in C++? < 1437946379 20236 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1437946380 457195 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1437946388 763222 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdin, stdout, stderr < 1437946402 157191 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdeso < 1437946404 153325 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are FILE*'s not streams < 1437946408 307078 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or < 1437946410 782193 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oh < 1437946418 147835 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably are thinking of cout cin and cerr < 1437946433 130841 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia seems to disagree with you < 1437946433 698724 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_streams < 1437946434 962897 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are ostreams and istreams < 1437946461 919365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: C++'s abstractions around streams are called "streams"; C's abstraction is called "FILE *" < 1437946473 675634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the streams themselves are normally called stdin/stdout/stderr, though < 1437946496 619521 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1437946513 212080 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So should I create an article on Streams < 1437946517 733744 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard and Otherwise? < 1437946551 927483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have articles on Stacks and Queues, so why not (and they're not particularly esoteric) < 1437946556 650990 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437946557 685642 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1437946607 804261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw name should probably be in the singular < 1437946621 593746 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1437946633 117760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's not exactly right, since the abstraction is over UNIX file descriptors or Windows Consoles? < 1437946667 135595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: on Windows it doesn't have to be a console, it could be a file redirection < 1437946723 63798 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm true. but either way, it's not an abstraction over a stream? a 'stream' is the abstraction. < 1437946750 8885 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have stdin, stdout, and stderr < 1437946757 961741 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start by adding 4 more: < 1437946776 584471 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoin, esout, esoerr, and stderrin < 1437946784 536374 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoin: The esoteric input < 1437946791 203773 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esout: The esoteric output < 1437946806 912492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the bit bucket hth < 1437946813 642767 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoerr: When something in an Esolang goes in an expected way, you are alerted here < 1437946817 711879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :important for reversible langs < 1437946840 102275 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stderrin: Stdin:stdout::stderrin:stderr < 1437946868 208991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's for complaining to the program? < 1437946932 94027 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might be onto something there. suppose you have a pipe series like < 1437946945 38196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ofile < 1437946951 521511 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1437946972 817779 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then A should be able to report errors, which B can handle transparently < 1437947004 35466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we need stdpraise and stdpraisein too < 1437947102 610155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a new, positively oriented paradigm < 1437947116 476583 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1437947122 366113 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdyay < 1437947133 183679 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add those to the program :) < 1437947233 826432 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437947241 344843 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1437947656 524804 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1437947668 231009 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp me define the Esoteric Streams < 1437947696 834358 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stderrin, stdyay, and stdyayin are not the esoteric streams, btw. They are the Extended Standard Streams < 1437948042 9861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdshakeitallabout? < 1437948108 825095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stream14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43596 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+3232) 10Created Page < 1437948128 299560 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done! < 1437948271 91521 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1437948404 126994 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding a list of Utility Streams < 1437948408 668561 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might get removed < 1437948421 813667 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lists non-esoteric and non-standard streams that a language may use < 1437948425 493969 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Sockets < 1437948427 789549 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IRC < 1437948432 839788 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Skype < 1437948439 195372 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions? < 1437948602 190005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: going home < 1437948689 154424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stream14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43597&oldid=43596 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1009) 10Added utility streams, not sure if this should be kept. < 1437948910 472943 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdominic < 1437949093 540564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, do you know where I can read Seven Crimes and Punishments? I want to learn about the end of the world, and I think that story is it < 1437949106 625550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although afaik all songs so far only approach the end of the world < 1437949393 967968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03EthanBierlein 5* 10New user account < 1437949588 617553 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1437949637 511343 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1437949739 313655 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1437949883 122783 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437950371 527020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb How does poutine differ from what I would call "cheesy chips"? <-- iiuc there is no potato in poutine, and the cheese is not _ordinary_ cheese hth < 1437950371 631809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437950418 408011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb oops i'm wrong on the first part < 1437950418 552766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437950437 116666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time, google _first_ twsh < 1437950487 697268 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:e5d6:6944:3eaa:7b9d JOIN :#esoteric < 1437950717 917722 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1437950858 999251 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1437950888 43772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The Rea is the river flowing through Birmingham. It is jealous of the other rivers having four letters. < 1437950893 35010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'rea': The Rea is the river flowing through Birmingham. It is jealous of the other rivers having four letters. < 1437950939 763233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to write some history" < 1437950976 389705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifaa - I find acrynyms amusing < 1437950991 837211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I cannot spell them correctly. < 1437951017 891624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1437951028 991210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 To be fair, the C things are called "streams" too. "The types declared [by ] are -- FILE which is an object type capable of recording all the information needed to control a *stream* --" (C11 7.21.1p2); < 1437951029 45426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437951032 935197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 ... "-- stderr, stdin, stdout which -- point to the FILE objects associated, respectively, with the standard error, input, and output *streams*." (C11 7.21.1p3) < 1437951033 41606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1437951052 409848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, chapter 7.21.2 is titled "Streams".) < 1437951070 85868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no file but i must stream < 1437951109 414427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't i remember that it's and, not but < 1437951250 387664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those words have the same logical meaning hth < 1437951284 521187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but when mangling quotes it's important to mangle only the necessary bits hth < 1437951306 802320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437951479 599300 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1437951500 669519 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. irc chat. < 1437951508 591675 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never though I'd be here < 1437951512 152803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one kamikaze attack yearly? perhaps I should sleep instead, this isn't getting anywhere. < 1437951528 552554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi BotLol < 1437951533 951893 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1437951546 950370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome BotLol < 1437951548 144214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08BotLol: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.) < 1437951617 495489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when's the last time anyone used the regular `welcome, non-ironically? < 1437951629 214996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought that sentence was referring to the film _Anaconda_, which I've never seen. < 1437951642 559707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see the cover in another language, though. < 1437951656 45093 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. irc chat. lol < 1437951661 127566 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1437951663 462017 :BotLol!1876bc13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.118.188.19 QUIT :Client Quit < 1437951673 810652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. I thought we never use that one because it's too plain. < 1437951679 354482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the most sensible < 1437951681 650462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are showing off < 1437951691 71852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it's a famous science fiction story instead. < 1437951693 712545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I'd delete all the `welcome variants but the foreign-language ones if I could < 1437951712 713885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sgtm < 1437951721 369741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like `relcome since it looks just like `welcome to me ;-) < 1437951722 43903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, in fact, do it. < 1437951741 944018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like relcome because it's so whimsical. < 1437951743 551094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: same, I also have colours filtered out < 1437951747 37234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"send goats to me?" why would I do that? < 1437951747 500108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but I'd just get reverted < 1437951765 319864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Probably not at the moment, because I still haven't fixed reverting. < 1437951773 937472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: because i asked < 1437951797 442090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think people went overboard with all the welcome variations. < 1437951803 525424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find a Schaf instead. Or some Schlaf... < 1437951807 471457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not revert most of them. < 1437951810 432967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good night) < 1437951835 557784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so do I < 1437951838 472434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1437951839 577583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ WELCOME \  \  \  \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ blessyou \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ cAt \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins < 1437951852 441671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME < 1437951854 213937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHE < 1437951862 797434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense that oerjan would like famous science fiction stories, being famous himself. < 1437951882 829347 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is he a science fiction story? < 1437951889 387729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/WELCOME < 1437951892 29724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1437951895 251251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a start < 1437951935 985211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/WELCOME < 1437951937 824484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 tswett tswett oerjan elliott ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull oerjan FreeFull ion ion ion < 1437951984 924249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log bin/WELCOME | grep summary: < 1437951986 137396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: revert 999 \ summary: (unknown command) \ summary: (unknown command) \ summary: (unknown command) < 1437951992 121496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. < 1437952006 885351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing on my phone so it's hard to investigate further. < 1437952055 667065 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those weren’t wide characters though < 1437952121 807455 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, they weren’t of the right case? < 1437952154 793507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for... < 1437952168 887354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fullwidth characters in English conversation are kind of annoying and hard to read. < 1437952182 805163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that's why that entry was deleted. < 1437952197 329023 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437952230 289556 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The’yre not hard to read < 1437952230 396468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're assuming i'd actually _read_ that famous SF story. what i've read _about_ it doesn't encourage me. < 1437952287 793053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I assumed that. < 1437952313 137398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not knowing its title isn't good evidence that you've read it. < 1437952328 419658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERM... < 1437952329 539911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are annoying though. < 1437952451 230725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it very much depends on the font) < 1437952531 777433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we have a 𝖜𝖊𝖑𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖊 and friends? < 1437952558 658131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not. < 1437952599 837243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like 13 different "fonts" in that block. < 1437952614 946620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's hard to make out these symbols on http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/welcome.png ;-) ) < 1437952677 116050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical bold, italic, bold italic, script, bold script, fraktur, double-struck, bold fractur, sans-serif, sans-serif bold, sans-serif italic, sans-serif bold italic, and monospace. < 1437952708 397414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Some day I'll read the rationale for that particular addition. < 1437953013 339339 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are the academic papers formatted like this. < 1437953483 873013 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD THE KERNING < 1437953540 972881 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1437953562 293721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have the only selfie on a gopher server in the WORLD < 1437953576 117478 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making myself an IRC client :) < 1437953579 829805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1437953585 41105 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to head to bed now < 1437953586 554606 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1437953593 584908 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm debating adding esotericness to it < 1437953597 37167 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1437953619 448593 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what’s wrong with thekerning?? < 1437953625 201520 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK < 1437953631 766469 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looked like it might be bad kerning < 1437953634 617523 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure < 1437953638 284348 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looked bad to me < 1437953669 210666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you should look my up on the Wiki and see how my family tend to feel about bad kerning < 1437953669 396679 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1437953672 803829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I am off now < 1437954045 515589 :hppavilion[1]tst!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1437954132 724233 :hppavilion[1]tst!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1437954163 284011 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have aproblem < 1437954167 59052 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a problem < 1437954169 179086 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out < 1437954176 406149 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is really REALLY slow < 1437954200 909265 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It executes the mainloop once every few seconds oh wait nevermind < 1437954205 259639 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just takes a while to boot