< 1440633763 266104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ʒ < 1440633764 512266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+01B7 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER EZH] < 1440634886 373125 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1440634932 80581 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF# < 1440635218 29553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this about right http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32223859/whats-the-difference-between-a-lens-and-a-partial-lens/32238680#32238680 < 1440635271 188063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's way too long < 1440635273 580907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/32238680 is about right < 1440635311 624888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "affine traversal" is the thing people usually mean by "partial lens". < 1440635334 525931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're not defined by lens < 1440635351 636864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you talk about it later. < 1440635356 794924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evidence: lens does not depend on pointed) < 1440635374 124537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! lens doesn't depend on something? < 1440635380 718582 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: =P < 1440635382 708743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely the opposite notion _is_ in lens (using Apply) < 1440635382 957207 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell izabera I'm not erik demaine, I'm Oren Watson < 1440635383 11670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440635392 711070 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't bother with affine traversals as there aren't any extra combinators it gives us < 1440635396 939751 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :just crippled ones of the ones we have < 1440635400 767743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1440635410 42269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, seems to make sense. < 1440635418 212217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: you could make that a comment if you like < 1440635422 394482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we don't provide Maybe in the standard library because we already have lists" < 1440635432 757727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then i'd really feel like i was fishing for rep < 1440635458 607121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heh < 1440635512 451243 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nah, just we already have (^?) and it is powerful enough to work on any of them < 1440635561 407168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but foo :: AffineTraversal ... is more informative than foo :: Traversal ... < 1440635596 319727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make the same analogy with lists. < 1440635647 215109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now generalize that to categories < 1440635655 548953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess profunctor fits in there < 1440635657 870710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :find :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1440635675 285067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :find = take 1 . filter < 1440635694 224846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, find f = take 1 . filter f < 1440635716 91316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pointed as a superclass of Applicative would be a bit of a scow, though. < 1440635726 161430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You'd need to add Default as a superclass of Monoid to really make it work. < 1440635755 42947 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(take 1 .) . filter < 1440635790 700322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there are a lot of things that are scow because haskell isn't good at typeclass defaulting < 1440635964 136807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also I'm not logged in so you don't need to worry about fishing for rep hth < 1440635969 170897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1440636001 553546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, the lens laws don't break when you have a lens to Maybe. < 1440636004 776975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you break them, I guess. < 1440636008 395124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at is a great and valid lens. < 1440636033 518659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i mean they break if you try to use it for the "nth element of list" case < 1440636047 305781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Sure. < 1440636050 990959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does a prism. < 1440636075 903148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess those are the things you say. < 1440636086 81848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1440636165 117257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Scala have a library called lenz? < 1440636355 827441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DUNNO < 1440636504 436108 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440637901 68851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440637946 653271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440638451 288248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Expression = ExpressionApply TermId [Expression] < 1440638464 528167 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... that'll do it. < 1440638724 247198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/G932zYW.gif < 1440638737 832287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i'm imagining tswett right now < 1440638840 366969 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :dipperswett < 1440638870 995766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1440638902 855666 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dipper Swett is the name I'm using for Magic: the Gathering purposes. < 1440639240 569656 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ミ < 1440639241 99902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+30DF KATAKANA LETTER MI] < 1440639332 918382 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015082617gm-0029-0000-11467df8&tw=2&ts=1 < 1440639389 917552 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro! another outrageousnessity? < 1440639458 927369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you are a disgusting person :P < 1440639549 139703 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, wrong channel < 1440639554 888817 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, collecting yakumans for the wiki < 1440639572 669940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: er, should i click < 1440639604 758536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hoily) < 1440639625 470788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, mahjong < 1440639654 916999 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahjong. definitely mahjong. and coppro is channeling eldritch powers in order to torture the tiles to his bidding. < 1440639662 421595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicked and got no wiser, anyway
< 1440639724 192131 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, that wasn't me < 1440639738 555181 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't you? < 1440639814 92388 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1440639826 122745 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1440639834 495166 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a replay I found on the ykm page < 1440639849 928691 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only yakuman I've gotten is one runofthemill suuankou < 1440640139 771608 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day I'll manage to get the gates. those are one elusive yakuman. < 1440640210 391302 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CUTICLE CHICKEN < 1440640426 528160 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a junsei chuuren yesterday, and a regular one today < 1440640480 141674 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015082512gm-0009-0000-206be279&tw=2&ts=1 is disgusting < 1440641983 190898 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1440642631 827437 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440643234 254785 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440643409 51658 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@92.55.83.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440643674 511604 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440644675 582277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once gotten renhou, but that's all (it was on a computer game where that rule is always enabled in the scenario being played) < 1440645578 600634 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440645959 82042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440645961 907009 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440647585 100185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should come to one of our mahjong clubs < 1440647626 249677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1440647665 589775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rule options/variants do you use? Do you have any automatic table? What time? Etc? < 1440647694 379470 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my club currently plays mondays in Waterloo, boily's is Sundays in montreal < 1440647700 922778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not every monday/sunday) < 1440647718 516540 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :our rules are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNeXCKS6JZU5fvDHfCP7jW8c2629nC5zRJBN2iWvjhE/edit?usp=drive_web < 1440647738 98806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't live there anyways and do not intend to travel there any time soon. < 1440647747 413982 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :montreal's is http://riichi.ca/site/ < 1440647784 108214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I live at British Columbia) < 1440647835 547196 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1440648019 228481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally using free Internet access < 1440648140 426730 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1440648681 353084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet access now costs me $0/month < 1440648817 994470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can finally play prismata < 1440648930 86497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's incredible! Because I couldn't before < 1440648940 704380 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is rather dangerous sitting next to mulrich at dinner when you don't say "no" forcefully enough. < 1440648940 810086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1440659183 730853 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an accusatory language < 1440659192 923509 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an accusative... thing? Again? < 1440659363 161795 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know < 1440659496 764630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, Almost Fresh Bread < 1440659572 928393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the case normally used for direct objects in nominative-accusative languages hth < 1440659589 407696 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1440659594 61060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. latin, greek, german, russian) < 1440659598 310122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wanted to invent a variant of Gentzen esolang that is using linear logic (possibly, called "Girard"), but I do not quite know how, even though I can know what rules are used with linear logic. < 1440659613 931630 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about foriegn languages or linguistics < 1440659640 153896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hungarian, while finnish has some weird "3 different ways of putting case on objects" thing < 1440659730 693172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ergative languages have a different common system < 1440659740 32921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, accusative is just the word "et" in hebrew? < 1440659753 143147 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can a language be accusative < 1440659770 977693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "et" is only for definite nouns < 1440659777 515417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nota_accusativi < 1440659795 67382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm not sure if hebrew has case, i think arabic does < 1440659835 413504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are of course many languages that don't use cases at all, or only relics < 1440659846 775378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew doesn't even have uppercase and lowercase < 1440659849 219063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so caseless < 1440659862 977189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. he vs. him is nominative vs. accusative, but english only has it for pronouns. < 1440659876 799649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as does norwegian.) < 1440659941 910079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1440659943 766174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1440660068 221689 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean 'nominative-accusative language' by 'accusative language' < 1440660153 70078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: um i was making a pun on "accuse" and the mention of "interrogative language". i take it you're new here? < 1440660161 515359 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1440660166 527224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently had problems to connect to EFnet IRC servers; is there EFnet proxy that can be use to avoid a problem like that? < 1440660185 709306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in doubt, assume pun. right shachaf? < 1440660197 877305 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed the thing about interrogative languages < 1440660219 901029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be confusing < 1440660224 797053 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1440660227 661041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That used to be true, but these days there's no feedback. < 1440660231 903635 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440660240 315030 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440660247 471151 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had ergative-absolutive alignment on my mind for some reason < 1440660321 174659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat < 1440660338 205328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i'm saying is, people used to be rewarded for their puns < 1440660340 505665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or punished < 1440660344 677258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now, nothing < 1440660365 263195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drops the Holy Anvil on shachaf
< 1440660374 271924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid i don't know how to draw it < 1440660386 67349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your heart's not in it < 1440660394 13753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :` also hungarian, while finnish has some weird "3 different ways of putting case on objects" thing' -- well, Hungarian also has like three or four ways to put a case onto an object, I think < 1440660394 773789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1440660406 68564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a direct object? < 1440660420 563296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"et" is used for direct objects, I think. < 1440660427 317738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, cases in general < 1440660431 681778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1440660436 825880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to any noun phrases < 1440660446 514867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure -t is the accusative ending in hungarian < 1440660454 283109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm confused about what this word does. < 1440660465 754079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with appropriate harmonic vowel inserted < 1440660468 77716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some other languages that only have a definite article? < 1440660474 999489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively only have an indefinite article. < 1440660479 583247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: icelandic < 1440660510 378710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1440660514 67982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if there are any that only have indefinite < 1440660543 294454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it even attaches the definite article to the word, like Hebrew. < 1440660570 573814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the methods are: (1) suffix the noun (for common cases), (2) add a preposition before it (for some uncommon cases), (3) add a preposition AND a case suffix (very rare), and (4) for personal pronouns in some cases, add a possessive suffix to a base word made of what would normally be a preposition or suffix. < 1440660586 729763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For objects, only (1) and (4) come up. < 1440660620 345708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :` What are some other languages that only have a definite article?' -- espernato < 1440660621 243105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1440660658 228626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :escowranto < 1440660723 49800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers rajta-
< 1440660792 697232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does "engem" fit any of those < 1440660885 819800 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a rajta- < 1440660921 33060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: a hungarian prefix meaning roughly "on", but which is only used with pronoun endings < 1440660928 841982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, that i've learn of) < 1440660961 514493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _normal_ way of saying "on" is with the -en/on suffix on a noun < 1440660984 559206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*learned < 1440661097 832413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a case where those are particularly different < 1440661149 268578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in", meanwhile, is benn- vs. -ben/ban iirc, so the same system but with similar morphemes < 1440661188 863835 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1440661196 184962 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any highly caseful languages < 1440661307 769394 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am mildly curious about finnish and hungarian but it doesn't seem like it would be easy to sample them < 1440661368 38555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of finns on irc, at least < 1440661411 386131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1440661417 40614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olen suomalainen < 1440661461 335649 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440661554 589399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i don't know if there are any that only have indefinite" -- http://wals.info/chapter/37 says there are some < 1440661639 373175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://wals.info/feature/37A#2/25.5/148.4 for the list < 1440661772 594380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i've been wanting such a map < 1440661788 908681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly articles are more widespread than i thought < 1440661861 671726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh cantonese and japanese? < 1440661909 997553 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does japanese have an indefinite article < 1440661913 113061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't have to always trust wals. it does have some errors. < 1440661920 876507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :persian, turkish < 1440661939 536661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um that makes it rather hard for me to judge :P < 1440661996 869039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in particular, http://blog.wals.info/datapoint-37a-wals_code_jpn/#comment has a comment by a third party that Japanese does not have an indefinite article < 1440661998 774685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thai. some rather big languages in that list. < 1440662118 462531 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-195-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440662182 794391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments for the others i mentioned < 1440662659 569171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Languages with an indefinite article but no definite article are common in an area in Asia stretching from Turkey to India." < 1440662680 40204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess turkish and persian at least are genuine, then < 1440662920 267870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Z < 1440663198 548351 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440663319 380601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um, how do you know? just because there's no comment doesn't mean anything. < 1440663627 709910 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-195-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440663711 510514 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-195-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440663713 212173 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-195-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1440664396 769201 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440664450 870940 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øren Watsen < 1440665158 187934 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: just because there is a comment doesn't mean anything, either < 1440665451 912472 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've investigated the turkish claim slightly and according to wikipedia and some shady web tutorials it seems to check out! "works for me" < 1440665628 437497 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-195-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440665682 625153 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-228-196.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440665736 847601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice blog entry: http://jacquesmattheij.com/aol-20 "We're heading Straight for AOL 2.0" < 1440665819 271532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of any roguelike with co-operative multiplayer? < 1440665822 408593 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a D&D party? < 1440665947 579570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try to ask on #nethack or some other channel connected more directly to roguelikes < 1440665980 113214 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does mangband do with multiplayer? < 1440665991 377627 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels cheating to ask in #nethack when I don't particularly enjoy Nethack < 1440666020 130920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :innother cases: write one < 1440666034 72301 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440666061 879395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think it's pretty hard to do this at least on a turn based system < 1440666081 839547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not so sure < 1440666088 685745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be unfun to have to wait for everyone < 1440666102 206693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're all in physical proximity, or at least can talk to each other < 1440666103 836506 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could work < 1440666132 748248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1440666191 123560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: indeed, the problem is that roguelikes have very fast paced turns and no real-life timeouts < 1440666248 539294 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make independent turns for each player, but what do you do with npcs? < 1440666262 331526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'd need a keyboard simlar to those of old telegraph machines, where it could physically lock keys so that you can't press them and you can feel that with your finger, and make it lock most keys when it's not your turn < 1440666282 595202 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440666297 116180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is there a roguelike that you do enjoy? < 1440666306 451459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ask them instead of #nethack then < 1440666333 334380 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think cataclysm would be fun to multiplay < 1440666374 835558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I quite like Brogue (although I am not good at it) and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon < 1440666383 618049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I only really played the first PMDs < 1440666456 615416 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cataclysm setting just asks for multiplayer < 1440666810 393312 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440667214 421354 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440667394 654696 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440667642 645420 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1440668251 899512 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440668398 499502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1440668402 320853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04baldcoin 07combcoin 08colfuccoin 09unsuitcoin 02rumcoin 06outcoin 13invilcoin 04pavitacoin 07nhohnercoin 08itfaonaillccoin 09codifyingcoin 02jottoncoin 06voenighedcoin 13minecoin 04neboolcoin 07otticoin 08colacoin 09magecoin 02booncoin 06rfpentcoin < 1440668429 104286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magecoin < 1440668432 559530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"itfaonaillcoin"? no way < 1440668434 295948 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecoin < 1440668459 467369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, colacoin sounds tasty < 1440668464 455682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1440668466 960053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04ephoracoin 07tanzcoin 08vococoin 09parnasscoin 02stufecoin 06muiratefcoin 13ptercoin 04syphintcoin 07urateflincoin 08falcoin 09aaterictopadythconveyongwortedcoin 02rincoin 06camoicoin 13sarztcoin 04dancoin 07evucoin 08unshakespringinworcoin 09carfourcoin 02memfucicoin 06bullfcoin < 1440668480 835357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1440668489 580428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like falcoin < 1440668497 399219 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaterictopadythconveyongwortedcoin is nice also < 1440668511 928939 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I type that rather than copy/pasting it? < 1440668525 439563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshakespringinworcoin, nice < 1440668545 967404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but carfourcoin seems like misspelt. < 1440668562 812114 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanzcoin < 1440668617 75570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like parnasscoin < 1440668646 291426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"memfucicoin" -- hmm, "memfuci" sounds like the name of an esolang < 1440668762 557295 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaterictopadythconveyongwort also sounds like an esolang < 1440668793 469944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :realfastnorashairsalonthreesheardisasterdownloadcoin < 1440668814 454357 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1440668881 39545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a "memfuck", maybe "memfuci" is a typo for it < 1440668904 518119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there is memfuck < 1440669189 983719 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jmgosvfabmdopkpd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1440669368 451252 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-228-196.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440669845 877068 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440670541 294457 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440670675 536083 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1440671084 77436 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440672950 222740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/coins # <- not really a surprise they sound like esolangs < 1440672950 964922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1440672983 182050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --finnish 10 < 1440672984 291502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08upoliyhtymiksencoin 09päältäcoin 02säännecoin 06ymmecoin 13seuraastaviltannecoin 04turmemmaksennecoin 07varsoviksicoin 08varpastasicoin 09silleencoin 02hehkeikkaavalscoin < 1440673002 784470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local currencies for the global age. < 1440673077 360260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"päältä", "säänne" and "silleen" in the above are all real Finnish words. < 1440673098 452690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"varpastasi" is close -- "varpaastasi" would be. < 1440673553 116887 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. what do they mean? < 1440673560 843757 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french 10 < 1440673564 46698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07fratorcoin 08érullinécoin 09demmecoin 02checoin 06raatricumcoin 13thescoin 04caloréemencoin 07vesignediicoin 08appecoin 09leptocoin < 1440673583 73214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french 10 < 1440673584 715316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09ingtcoin 02dénacoin 06avimentecoin 13témorptcoin 04aisiocoin 07mandervettacoin 08gélaiscoin 09dencoin 02quegoloncoin 06déprepuricoin < 1440673594 460950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --german 10 < 1440673595 878653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07seldhügelechtcoin 08vernernowcoin 09übergängecoin 02eligungcoin 06mehrlinshineascoin 13ausecoin 04erzmuscoin 07stoffiziehungcoin 08schraetncoin 09honencoin < 1440673612 94992 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing even remotely French in those :( < 1440673626 380359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one correct german one < 1440673632 916630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french 10 < 1440673634 588393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04paluscoin 07polygrosocoin 08hypochcoin 09hohecoin 02pothiérocoin 06uteuressamcoin 13oelliercutacoin 04offrantcoin 07confircoin 08sujacoin < 1440673659 28047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! «offrant» is good. < 1440673672 508146 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello. don't ask me which one is correct; it's all German to me. < 1440673783 478502 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440673803 445601 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --japanese 1 < 1440673804 212098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: japanese < 1440673813 644856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --spanish 1 < 1440673815 382518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte < 1440673823 4191 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --spanish 10 < 1440673824 755018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02enparaclcoin 06litescoin 13roncoin 04cnbrinamilcoin 07dianacoin 08efeccuriéncoin 09puntancoin 02ansilengolcoin 06strólocoin 13mediososcoin < 1440674349 295640 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CLOTHESLINE CHICKEN < 1440674538 552475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily päältä 'from on top' (ablative case of päällä 'on top of something', or 'on' as in "the radio is on") < 1440674538 646697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440674543 62764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily säänne 'your (pl.) weather' (second-person plural possessive of sää 'weather') < 1440674543 116833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440674549 513108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily silleen -- a colloquialism that's rather hard to translate without resorting to just listing a bunch of example uses. < 1440674549 617534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440674557 988173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily varpaastasi 'from your toe' (elative case of the second-person singular possessive of varvas 'toe') < 1440674558 42472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440676637 510722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440679360 81605 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1440679644 106756 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroing < 1440679722 317225 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440679726 510955 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.135 QUIT :Changing host < 1440679726 565429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440680044 190760 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440680493 699066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I keep for getting this. Hat is a special character interpreted by the windows shell, so it must be quoted. < 1440680641 794139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting on Windows cmd is utterly bizarre < 1440680655 842761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nkow, sadly < 1440680786 622831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you just have to ('"' . join('" "', map s/(\x5c*("|\z))/\Q$1/gr, @command) . '"') < 1440680810 823417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you have to do the same but prepend a second '"' at the beginning < 1440680835 491007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the arguments contain a percent sign or somethign and then youre' completely screwed because there's no way to quote a percent sign at all < 1440680853 77397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the argument contain a newline, you're screwed too < 1440680913 231150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The s/(\x5c*("|\z))/\Q$1/gr part is definitely serious though, that's the _only_ valid way to quote backspaces and double quotes inside a double-quoted string in the shell. < 1440680976 810897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must not double backspaces anywhere else than what that regex says. < 1440681095 27513 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440681586 90593 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440681861 256931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x5c is a backslash, right? why not just write \\? < 1440681881 611598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, slightly too low to be a backlash? or, hmm < 1440681883 333780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode \ < 1440681884 181597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] < 1440681887 217520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a backslash < 1440682565 975948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440682879 578778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440683756 751260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. "SOLIDUS" < 1440683776 637724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode / < 1440683777 397518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+002F SOLIDUS] < 1440683785 837856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well at least it's consistent < 1440684444 81314 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1440684486 81566 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440686685 551965 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --spanish 15 < 1440686687 33490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08pegarlacoin 09pñntecoin 02plancoin 06roncoin 13gianocoin 04bonadolacoin 07dwelladocoin 08obesscoin 09sepaiscoin 02hocoin 06hidcoin 13brostcoin 04pensiscoin 07creecoin 08empeñcoin < 1440686769 442861 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gesundheit. < 1440686866 848429 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it come up with those? < 1440686931 12144 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pegarla" is a real Spanish word ("to hit her/it (feminine)"). "Pñnte" doesn't come close to being valid. < 1440686948 282641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dipperswett: I think it just uses statistics about the language, and then tries to produce words that are statistically the same < 1440686963 738288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do with letter frequency and letter pair frequency, possibly even triplets < 1440686968 856401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it puts "coin" on the end < 1440686981 956584 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1440686996 886804 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine "pñ" is a common digraph in Spanish at all. < 1440687016 233937 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect that "ñn" occurs in no words whatsoever. < 1440687016 759622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's has a nonzero occurrence rate, though < 1440687026 43296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if the letters are in two separate syllables < 1440687048 747689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like "ñn" is unpronounceable < 1440687062 546633 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ almost always occurs between two vowels, I think. < 1440687144 919704 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.listapalabras.com/en/palabras-con.php lists no words containing pñ or ñn. < 1440687230 967297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just finished a game of Minesweeper but I almost won, but not quite because at the end only two more cells remained and I picked the wrong one by mistake. But I am slow at it and it took 1378 seconds (this implementation imposes a time limit of 10000 seconds). Using the scoring system I made up I scored 572 points (out of 575). < 1440687386 868145 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440687454 557448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshot is at http://zzo38computer.org/img_18/mines.png < 1440687683 74993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoting on Windows cmd.exe is more strange than in UNIX and can cause problems, as noted above, yes. But I think if you have a percentage sign you can use %% to do isn't it? I thought it it is how it is work anyways < 1440687708 279811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the variants of Minesweeper that sometimes require you to guess. < 1440687718 905264 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them do < 1440687743 793577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Not the one in Sergeant T. Atham's puzzle collection. < 1440687763 537249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It can, if you untick a flag, but by default it only makes puzzles that are deducable from the initial click. < 1440687787 868511 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cheaty version < 1440687800 160442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also allows undo, so... < 1440687813 640089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it does keep track of a death count that isn't decreased by undo.) < 1440687830 199568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard ones do anyways, but I have read about "Lucksweeper" in which any guess which you can not possibly have any idea it is wrong, if you step on such a cell, it will move a bomb if that cell contains a bomb so that it won't be explosive. < 1440687851 841473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I don't consider the "avoid guesses" part to be cheating. It's pure luck. < 1440687914 337463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If it does not reveal all of the bombs when you lose then that could be a kind of variant (but you don't need to implement undo, just mark the bomb there and increment the death counter, and then you can continue) < 1440687973 390060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not reveal the mines on death. < 1440688026 881096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it could "auto-undo" on death like that. I think it probably has undo/redo because that's a standard piece of user interface for the puzzles in the collection. < 1440688077 54635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any versions where you can die on the first square you open. That seems to be something that's pretty universally avoided. < 1440688112 808329 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :minesweeper usually requires guesses < 1440688128 719494 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't count the initial move < 1440688142 50349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My own version you can die on the first square you open, because I have not made it to avoid that (although I could have done, but find it unnecessary) < 1440688148 905116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sgtatham sweeper, you may still end up with mines that can't be deduced directly from the labels of the squares, if you can deduce it from the number of remaining mines. < 1440688175 701504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that can be possible too < 1440688355 474482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the paper variant (also called "star map", although in the book I first saw it in it is called "minesweeper") < 1440688632 833854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen a variant where it is possible for a cell to contain more than one bomb < 1440688706 330789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sure, the second move often has to be a guess < 1440688797 922660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the simple minesweeper version I made for the very powerless Sharp EL-5120 calculator, you can die in first turn. < 1440688829 822583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also no map shown, you just type coordinates and draw the map on paper; and the neigbours of revealed zero cells aren't automatically revealed, you have to do it by hadn. < 1440688891 131249 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1440688891 446575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also easy to cheat, because the high-level programming language of that calculator makes it impossible to read input without allowing the user to reveal the value of any variable easily with three to five keystrokes. < 1440688945 375785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When prompted to input, press 2ndF, RCL, then the letter of the variable, and the value is shown. < 1440688948 871870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1440688982 626574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically that reveals only the first ten digits out of the twelve, so in theory the program could hide some information in the two guard digits, < 1440688985 839188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size was the grid? < 1440688990 103762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it clearly is not as powerful as Texas Instruments programmable calculators, where there are other ways to request input as well < 1440689016 754604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be very impractical due to the stupid inconsistent and slow arithmetic, too few variables, limited memory, etc. < 1440689086 610693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, iirc 8x8 or 8x16 or something. I'm not sure. I think it would be possible to do 16x16 but then I'd never finish a game with that interface. < 1440689100 22600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, possible to do 16x16 with some changes to the program. < 1440689195 666893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also made a maze game, with a 8x8 (iirc) square grid, toroidal I think, with horizontal and vertical walls between the squares. < 1440689247 942628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interface is such that the program prints the walls or non-walls immediately surrounding you, then inputs a direction to move out of the four, in a loop, and it detects win if you reach the goal cell. < 1440689263 702602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, not toroidal, only cylindrical, because that's the easiest to implement. < 1440689303 133458 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of programming does it have? < 1440689322 989762 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really worked with Sharps much < 1440689335 478251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In TI-92 there are many ways to request input, including: * Arguments to the program * Prompt for an expression on the I/O screen, store the result into a variable * Ask the user to select a point on the graph screen * Display a popup menu * Display a menu bar * Display a dialog box * Inside of a busy loop you can check which buttons are pushed (although there are no timing functions) < 1440689384 13288 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, TI has generally pretty good input routines < 1440689388 10467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: a high-level language with powerful natural arithmetic syntax, but not much in regards to statements. you have 27 numerical variables you can use (plus a couple of extra with limitations), no array indexing. < 1440689396 756922 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can make your own with getkey and such < 1440689413 145541 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1440689423 510571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: the numbers are 12 decimal digits with exponent between -99 to 99, the arithmetic on them is quirky and slow. < 1440689455 875756 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds really hard to actually use for anything useful < 1440689460 384181 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440689482 414466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 3 line text display, you can print only constant strings with newline after them with the character set, or the value of a variable with the name of the variable in the previous line, and both of these are very slow. < 1440689525 426677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control flow is goto, if-arithmetic-comparison-goto, gosub, return, and restart program, but there's a strict limit of 20 labels per program. < 1440689540 165638 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's terrible < 1440689553 142072 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's better than being keystroke-programmable < 1440689574 162618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assignments and control flow and such things are very fast, compared to even simple arithmetic, probably because it has a slow cpu (6502-based or z80-based or something) that doesn't do proper arithemtic. < 1440689626 230479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole calculator has exactly 2k RAM, of which about 1K is for fixed purposes, very tightly all used up, and about 1K (I don't recall the exact number now) stores arbitrary programs. < 1440689667 916777 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well many of the TI-8x series are also z80, so that's not really a good excuse < 1440689673 18560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In programs, all keywords and builtin functions and stuff are stored as a single byte (but displayed often as up to six character cells on screen), and each line has an overhead of exactly three bytes, with no other overhead. < 1440689681 157800 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that's not a whole lot of mem < 1440689723 674453 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the speed of the language has to do with how it's designed too I suppose. < 1440689758 322514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a result, the best way to store an array is a loop of a cyclical shift of variables, that is, you write a body like A=B;B=C;C=D;D=E;E=F;F=G;G=H;H=I;I=A (with each assignment in a new line), track the shift index, and repeat it enough time to get the index you want. < 1440689780 690427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my more complicated programs has a shift register of eight variables like that. < 1440689793 781111 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good way to do it < 1440689815 890286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's good because it doesn't cost too many labels or too much program space, and executes relatively fast. < 1440689856 330498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use numbers as arrays of digits or bits, which is how I store rows in minesweeper or the maze, < 1440689895 86720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to be careful because the arithmetic is strange so it's easy to get incorrect results. In particular, if you subtract two numbers such that the first ten digits are equal, the result is zero, the last two digits are discarded. < 1440689899 603652 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's a pretty common trick on the TIs to get more out of each variable < 1440689945 262408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some details you have to learn about how to write the programs shorter, because every character can matter. < 1440690023 834340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to abuse precedence, especially because there's a somewhat rich set of arithmetic operations so you can write many things in multiple syntaxes; you can omit parenthesis at the beginning and end of expressions; omit 0 on the rhs of the assignment, or on any side of an equals comparison, but not in a less-than comparison for some reason. < 1440690039 111954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what the most wonderful part of this calculator is? < 1440690053 917712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On TI-92 though you can have variable names as long as eight letters and you can have lists and matrices and strings < 1440690088 979045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That its implementation seems very solid, with almost no bugs. I've experimented a lot with it, and have never managed to crash it or corrupt it or otherwise make it behave strangely, < 1440690103 690134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when the battery is low so it doesn't have enough power to think. < 1440690158 974262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :During all the years, I've found only about two insignificant bugs in it, two of them about some input being accepted and doing something useless when it should be rejected. < 1440690216 906326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, the Sharp EL-5120 is from the early days when programmable calculators were rarer and primitive. I went to a VERY geeky high school class, and mine was only the third programmable calculator in it. < 1440690227 830116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other two before it were higher-end models knowing more.) < 1440690263 582309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that programmable calculators a few days after that are much more powerful, with hundreds of kilobytes of memory and the abilty to upload programs written in machine code and stuff. < 1440690290 612131 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@92.55.83.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440690290 958358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at that time, we had to do those things on the personal computers, rather than programmable calculators or mobile phones. < 1440690411 910333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the TI-92 has 64 kilobytes of memory, a graphical display, and powerful built-in programming language. In those it's like the popular calculators of its age, except that it has a qwerty keyboard. I've seen one live for a while. < 1440690487 166774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The programm language is TI-92 is slow though, but there are things that can be done to make it faster (what I have done to speed up shuffling a deck of cards more resembles the "ORDER BY RANDOM" of SQL; due to the way the parsing works this turns out to be faster than the other way. < 1440690501 623416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've met the similar non-qwerty TIs more. I've also seen HPs and Casios, but none of them have I delved so deeply as into that Sharp I own. < 1440690522 441551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440690581 79547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440690893 719412 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440690904 804506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440690912 535237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440691461 79173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440691584 576679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440692344 239557 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1440693061 442479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-86 has 128K of memory, which is pretty huge. < 1440693066 762427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :64K of address space, though. < 1440693176 99559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an "MMU", if you can call it that -- 0000..3fff and c000..ffff are fixed (RAM and ROM pages, respectively), but you can map individual RAM/ROM banks into the 4000..7fff and 8000..bfff blocks. < 1440693286 367596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "TI-Basic" language it supports is the same (or at least very similar) as in the '92, AIUI. < 1440693335 909487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And real slow, partly because all variables are 10-byte BCD floats it deals with in software. < 1440693426 169929 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440693467 43966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it would do an increment-by-one loop using the generic softfloat addition, that has to muck around with exponents and all that. < 1440693542 563182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Good way to waste all those 6 MHz of raw power.) < 1440693554 449436 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440693561 887430 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440693694 527563 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440693807 589772 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440693841 247819 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1440693968 31621 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440694224 549271 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440694570 603918 :LewisMCYoutube!42f95dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.249.93.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440694582 287317 :LewisMCYoutube!42f95dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.249.93.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1440694615 88545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1440694617 892536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome LewisMCYoutube < 1440694619 561641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LewisMCYoutube: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1440694839 613546 :LewisMCYoutube!42f95dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.249.93.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440694863 211701 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LewisMCYoutube, we hardly knew ye < 1440694988 408043 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440695656 630254 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-encdtjkryuqbwhur JOIN :#esoteric < 1440695806 177914 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440696367 76788 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Determining whether or not a given Minesweeper grid is consistent sounds like the sort of thing that would be NP-complete. < 1440696496 513518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dipperswett: it is, that's already been proven < 1440697769 984995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J--14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43931&oldid=43513 5* 03216.138.225.130 5* (+78) 10 < 1440698471 578683 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does consistent mean in this context? < 1440698489 508624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that there's some way to place mines on it such that all the observed numbers are accurate < 1440698712 154090 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1440698994 446707 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-161-166.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1440699533 300493 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440699804 999905 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:c095:e98d:7a0f:49f2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440699805 90741 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:c095:e98d:7a0f:49f2 QUIT :Changing host < 1440699805 90802 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440700151 938649 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a Future Tense Imperative Language < 1440700161 352040 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Imperative Languages are Present Tenses < 1440700163 167239 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tense < 1440700175 399808 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess eventhandlers are future tense < 1440700328 426605 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1440700338 366167 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have Functional languages based on Lambda Calculus, but not geometry < 1440700378 941588 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/functional/declarative < 1440700384 611624 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./i < 1440700718 103366 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone? < 1440700720 661152 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren? < 1440700961 417919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43932 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+9984) 10Created page with "'''Labyrinth''' is a two-dimensional programming language developed by [[User:MartinBüttner|Martin Büttner]]. The source code resembles a maze which is traversed by the inst..." < 1440700965 369938 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1440700988 431452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43933&oldid=43909 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+16) 10/* L */ < 1440701044 43184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43934&oldid=43932 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-16) 10Brought username inline with the standards of this wiki < 1440701072 624599 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :labyrinth sounds promising < 1440701161 532973 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43935&oldid=43926 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+126) 10 < 1440701288 158586 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440701407 785530 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43936&oldid=43934 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+1) 10fix user name < 1440701441 937869 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1440701474 829852 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440701588 612186 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be a good name for a geometry-based declarative Esolang? < 1440701621 662184 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440701621 716619 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1440701621 716674 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440701645 570076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440701649 443952 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440701654 577882 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1440701662 506750 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Boolean Algebra < 1440701681 265284 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Boolean Arithmetic, Boolean Geometry, or Boolean Calculus < 1440701684 173710 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem? < 1440701725 109221 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry based? < 1440701740 870629 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440701847 919165 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440702171 290473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Martin Büttner14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43937 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+549) 10Created page with "I have so far created two esolangs: * [[Retina]], designed in 2015, a regex-based language, designed for use in code-[[Golf|golfing]]. * [[Labyrinth]], designed in 2015, a tw..." < 1440702196 360035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43938&oldid=43936 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+12) 10 < 1440702270 634519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440702358 546214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43939&oldid=43797 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (-33) 10 < 1440702488 912337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440702498 957973 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440702534 437776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43940&oldid=43938 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+120) 10add link to related language Mice in a maze < 1440702591 952214 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440702965 672417 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440702970 463903 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hello < 1440703107 462578 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got an idea of esolang, but i dont know if its created yet < 1440703115 187241 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you please tell me if you know? < 1440703120 175791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1440703145 643488 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i saw discussion about "what is the simpliest progamming language" < 1440703154 671755 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some said C, other said BF < 1440703169 15490 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i got idea of i guess really simpliest language possible < 1440703177 126829 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define simple < 1440703179 145264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"simplest" is hard to define < 1440703195 441698 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have languages with only one command < 1440703199 193957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some reasonable candidates include Iota, Bitwise Cyclic Tag, and the various 1L languages, depending on what your definition is < 1440703207 376382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably MiniMAX, too < 1440703213 117513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I might be biased on that one < 1440703216 673994 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bct <3 < 1440703222 523452 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran? < 1440703222 628299 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would do whatever the source is < 1440703228 53086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is definitely not the simplest < 1440703229 133180 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1440703236 273279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are cut-down versions of it that are simpler and still TC < 1440703237 768418 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it would do nothing whatever the source ist < 1440703246 314099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ooh, fractran is another reasonable claim, I think < 1440703268 784937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typical_Username: oh, yes, if you don't care about TC or usable, there's a language that does nothing, more than one I think < 1440703272 115159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unnecessary is probably my favourite < 1440703286 972355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use 2014 for the purpose nowadays < 1440703301 481289 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still 2014 does something right < 1440703310 143884 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it has some flesh < 1440703326 222909 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for answer < 1440703538 354165 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing my question < 1440704225 581695 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@92.55.83.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1440704488 908077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440704504 487171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440705844 430114 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need a name < 1440705847 422467 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440705849 440579 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just calling it Geom for now < 1440706147 55996 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@92.55.83.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440706579 383046 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440706627 71647 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@92.55.83.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440706690 65239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440706701 65869 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1440706916 117739 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440707352 857124 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1440707357 733068 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any font in which the dot in ; is lower than - ? < 1440707436 30626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like asking if there are any faces where the nose is higher than the eyes. < 1440707461 131213 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly what i'm asking < 1440707486 134459 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual question was: does this face ;-; render correctly in all fonts? < 1440707550 384584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the proper way to render? In this "fixed" font, the top dot of the semicolon is higher than the line making up the minus sign < 1440707648 443657 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the proper way < 1440707674 540263 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame esolangs.org's featured language thingy isn't more active < 1440707706 325970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest to get rid of that feature < 1440707726 611242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But keep the page for historical study, with a note) < 1440707795 680325 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to distinguish interesting languages from non-interesting languages :P < 1440707824 711887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and there are other problems too (including opinions, and other decisions about it) < 1440707854 312245 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1440707894 545486 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe _someone_ thinks fuckfuck or maxsteele2's languages are interesting < 1440708328 640880 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ais523 said made me think: < 1440708373 857335 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make an esolang where every program must satisfy some constraint of which the satisfiability is a (very difficult) open problem < 1440708399 373793 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, for extra irony, say, functions as a NOP < 1440708426 229301 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but every program < 1440708575 173526 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do esoteric fonts exist? < 1440708668 18246 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440708784 329628 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren's? :P < 1440708830 439564 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1440709025 190648 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren keeps talking about a font they're making < 1440709182 456995 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im new to this community < 1440709190 937913 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1440709198 534666 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1440709199 395871 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1440709205 253857 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1440709211 682103 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant i dont know who is oren < 1440709214 382132 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :werrucomu < 1440709225 870263 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u2 < 1440709294 828975 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted a place lake esolang.org < 1440709312 33235 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to upload this font where dot in ; is lower than - < 1440709365 924727 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try imveryevil.org ? < 1440709382 721117 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1440709384 863907 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1440709398 878925 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1440709453 150974 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440709489 790909 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any ideas of interesting esoteric fonts? < 1440709501 143360 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not including "kill;-;" < 1440709542 779545 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://evil.com/ < 1440709599 347968 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even sure why i google these things < 1440709819 918314 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440709835 315707 :Typical_Username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1440709875 136920 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440709923 14097 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440709933 439024 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what did you google? < 1440709948 927919 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440710069 966280 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440710094 554448 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1440710432 787038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a new Dungeons&Dragons character for a campaign which is including some other players too, so that we can play that one when they are here and the other one when they aren't; however these two scenarios are in the same timeline/storyline so they can interfere with each other (perhaps some of the things that happen, bad people organization, etc are having to do with each other so it adds more to examine), although currently my two character < 1440710468 689365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new one is starting at character level 3, and we are starting with money and equipment unlike the other where we started with absolutely no possessions at all. < 1440710537 616646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to pronounce this character's name? < 1440710616 332585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is much easier. (Actually I can kind of pronounce my other character's name too) < 1440710632 397093 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.130.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440710724 369872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1440710752 417993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it only the character made, or has he already had some roleplayed adventures as a PC? < 1440710809 388046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the character is made up (including equipment, skills, etc) < 1440710821 745606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is not in play quite yet. < 1440710844 940626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1440710856 206093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what role and race is it? < 1440710870 318268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the other players do not create their characters in time, I will be playing the other game until they do and when they are available.) < 1440710911 570205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you know how to pronounce this character's name?" => http://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=178 < 1440710914 560699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: He is a anthropomorphic-bat generic-caster < 1440710953 498012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generic-caster"? < 1440710957 100405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?" < 1440710962 219455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one isn't about the character's name? They want to learn "I give up" < 1440710981 266107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1440711002 621563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is a class with more customization but less class features (and a few less spells per day) then normal casters, from the book of generic classes < 1440711016 473919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imagine a quingi could also have a name in their native language that you can't pronounce without a second tongue < 1440711078 975443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes that might be possible I guess < 1440711092 701892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what kind of "customization"? customizing what skills or spells the character learns, or customizing later, such as when preparing or casting spells or psionic abilities/ < 1440711141 254780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean like it's customizable during character creation and leveling how his spellcasting works in first place, < 1440711189 418489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some of how much prepared it is, which stat they uses for what checks, what types of spells they can learn and cast, etc? < 1440711247 582181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :More customization in skills and feats to be selected (as well as spells learnable), but don't have features such as familiar, turn undead, or other stuff like that, and have less spells per day than a sorcerer < 1440711267 970048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1440711310 902205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where are they on the scale between wizard-like prepared casters versus sorcerer-like improvized casters, and is that fixed by this role? < 1440711337 11452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This class requires spontaneous casting. < 1440711351 961140 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink_race < 1440711357 87432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1440711358 674868 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the note < 1440711483 611806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440711484 337709 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1440711587 161736 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1440711596 976391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oren: um, how do you know? just because there's no comment doesn't mean anything. <-- because of the "Languages with an indefinite article but no definite article are common in an area in Asia stretching from Turkey to India." < 1440711649 595147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that was written by someone who actually knows. i guess it's possible they just deduced it from wrong data. < 1440711785 369974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ack < 1440711792 639227 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440711801 343611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :syn < 1440711836 149291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok i guess i'll have to repeat my joke in here too < 1440711838 956284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A generic-caster is proficient with one simple weapon of your choice; in my case a morningstar (although I would normally not fight with such things unless I would need to attack, but it may help sometimes). A generic-caster is not proficient with any armor or shield (but can become proficient by feats or multiclassing) < 1440711842 345673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : arkeet: What's green and has all colimits? < 1440711891 371614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1440711899 941030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know? < 1440711905 378284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A semilettuce. < 1440711916 324413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1440711930 251458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives shachaf a small complimentary swat -----###
< 1440711930 699286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's green, has all limits, and isn't vegetarian? < 1440711947 141729 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440711990 901954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: spinach? < 1440712000 855828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A meat-semilettuce. < 1440712007 903996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm semilattices don't necessarily have all colimits tdnh < 1440712023 731039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's true < 1440712027 854957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives shachaf a slightly harder swat -----###
< 1440712028 724851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the same pedantry in the other channel < 1440712063 425474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i got confused because i remembered that either left or right adjoints have all limits resp. colimits, and i can never remember which is which < 1440712084 373640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was confusion about that in ##typetheory yesterday. < 1440712093 501148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's preserve, not have < 1440712107 704146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right adjoints preserve limits. Coproducts are limits." "Left adjoints preserve colimits. Products are colimits." < 1440712138 318412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never remember which is which for products either < 1440712143 377247 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing a programming language "based on Geometry, some algebra, a bit of formal logic and boolean algebra, and just a /hint/ of set theory" < 1440712156 251591 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : A) What should I name it < 1440712159 607478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: half the sentences i quoted above are wrong hth < 1440712164 53560 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : B) Should it be 2D, 3D, or what? < 1440712164 814873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Do you have some other details too? With that it can help also < 1440712177 532544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the answer of your questions though, sorry < 1440712178 267091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing i remember is the free functors are left adjoints. mnemonic: liberty < 1440712183 952906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1440712193 251703 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm using Google Docs, so you probably won't want to < 1440712199 990577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: darn < 1440712205 612294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't follow the mnemonic < 1440712215 913595 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry wars < 1440712237 922740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: liberty = freedom, and has the same first letter as "left" hth < 1440712247 539489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm pretty sure universal properties were invented when someone left adjoint where a mathematician could find it < 1440712268 459337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, your complimentary swat quota is used up hth hht < 1440712272 505592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn script < 1440712569 667354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generic class also allows you to customize which base save is the high one < 1440712578 645018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i've investigated the turkish claim slightly and according to wikipedia and some shady web tutorials it seems to check out! "works for me" <-- i've looked at wikipedia slightly and i'm not convinced < 1440712608 3424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: ^ < 1440712622 658103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't trust pings to work with nick variations
< 1440712769 126699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ooh, persian (partly) confirmed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_grammar#The_Definite_and_Indefinite_Articles < 1440712897 651103 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440712917 183999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there's a better article on turkish too < 1440712929 352237 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440712976 270726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok looks confirmed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_grammar#Indefinite_adjectives < 1440713175 496485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantonese looks more dubious < 1440713218 712378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thai refuted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_grammar#Articles < 1440713247 777434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the main ones i recall < 1440713259 395272 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1440713463 871603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's /r/roguelike hth < 1440713478 499609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep seeing ais523 posting there < 1440713664 423299 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440713775 845778 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently cantonese uses 一 ("one") in a way that looks like an indefinite article < 1440713816 673658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does English. < 1440713817 604127 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean "an/en/een/un/une/ein" also mean "one" if you look a couple thousand years back so < 1440713836 870710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also norwegian hth < 1440713866 316562 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what about finnish twh?) < 1440713898 99456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may spell them slightly different as numerals, but they're really the same word. en/ei/et vs. én/ei/ett < 1440713929 126539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure finnish is generally not considered to have articles < 1440713960 128842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in that case what do they put in their newspapers < 1440713962 61764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1440713964 790800 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1440714004 941360 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440714108 662590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: HireFly < 1440714152 992886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1440714161 926118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1440714170 592988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought your swatter was out of charges. < 1440714186 81496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, _you're_ out of quota hth < 1440714204 239815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they put advertisments, plus a crossword, comic strip, and photo of skimpily dressed female. < 1440714373 182042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm skeptical on the last point, but i don't read finnish newspapers < 1440714416 99950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway, a normal newspaper doing that for its own sake would be unheard of < 1440714460 397979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now if it was an advertisement, they could away with a lot.) < 1440714464 732394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get away < 1440714530 117878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if it's a comic. < 1440714575 884259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could also get away with it in a crossword, if the solution was vacation themed < 1440714607 717605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, norwegian newspaper can have all kind of skimpily dressed females, as long as they have another excuse for it. < 1440714611 225039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1440714620 566469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs a grammar refill
< 1440714640 587056 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` bison > oerjan < 1440714647 916953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bison: missing operand after `bison' \ Try `bison --help' for more information. < 1440714796 248676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skimpily dressed comic female hth http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondus/?1440540000&d=-1 < 1440714905 814605 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shachaf < 1440714917 165659 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what'd I do this time < 1440714946 72643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you joined the channel right after a swatting session hth < 1440714955 248587 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdmh < 1440715002 706981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is very swat-happy < 1440715218 936786 :tortu!~tortu@186.140.51.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440715287 349445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido tortu < 1440715289 199676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tortu: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) < 1440715337 497518 :tortu!~tortu@186.140.51.96 PART :#esoteric < 1440715488 315137 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440715920 547616 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440716613 585286 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea who to vote for < 1440716635 184039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1440716648 373567 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upcoming election < 1440716734 610154 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2015 < 1440716737 819747 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1440716789 428817 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :harper didn't do anything wrong like I feared he would, so I can't rule him out anymore < 1440716789 854202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob harper 2015 < 1440716916 57291 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can rule out liz may < 1440717149 670140 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that... gaaah I can't decide < 1440717509 681279 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey boily, you know .ca politics, who should I vote for? < 1440717548 538575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily 2015? < 1440717619 635490 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ronald reagan 2016 < 1440717659 470365 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait ronald reagan isn't dead?!?!?! < 1440717663 19845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's joke courtesy of seeing it on #xmonad: < 1440717664 225193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where real world haskell < 1440717664 279576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/ <-- the comprehensive xmonad configuration syntax reference < 1440717668 69718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because it's true. < 1440717707 845745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1440717713 729414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in #xmonad? < 1440717715 495641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where real < 1440717715 549787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/ <-- the comprehensive xmonad configuration syntax reference < 1440717738 341598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the window manager I use, I just lurk there for useful tips and tricks. < 1440717766 487994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also re elections, I'm now registered to vote in the UK. Mainly because they threatened me with a fine (in fact, two fines) if I opted not to. < 1440717809 374369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First to list eligible-for-registration people in the household (with a big fine for not doing that), and then to actually register (with a smaller fine for not doing that). < 1440717821 926653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if they also have an even smaller fine for not voting. < 1440717825 537487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1440717882 336385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they didn't actually directly threaten, they just implied. < 1440717904 206218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every household must respond to this request for information [about eligible voters]. Those who don't respond to the form could be liable to a £1000 fine." < 1440717923 419968 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a buncha bullshit < 1440717955 106534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By law, everyone must complete a voter registration form each year, even if they don’t intend to vote. Failure to do so could lead to a fine." < 1440717972 502751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall they mentioned some smaller number for the second fine, but I can't find it right now. < 1440717992 414583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm registered to vote in California but it's a hassle to do it. < 1440717992 942524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always "could lead". I think they've learned that from organized crime protection rackets. < 1440718006 12045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fines for not doing it, either. < 1440718054 583406 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in canada you can decline your ballot < 1440718063 390347 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should do that < 1440718100 631438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland there's no registration, but that's only because the Population Register Centre keeps track of you anyhow. < 1440718117 487519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to tell them if you move, etc. < 1440718175 97230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: what's a fun haskell thing < 1440718212 510103 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, define thing < 1440718221 536690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1440718267 583729 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok "thing" is a hard thing to define. but like "thing to make with haskell" or "feature of haskell" or help < 1440718304 195959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an enlightening exercise or abstraction or something < 1440718334 221886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's this here in UK: unless you explicitly opt out, your voter registration details go on the "open register", which is "available to anyone who wants to buy a copy" (https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register/opt-out-of-the-open-register) and which (AIUI) is used for marketing. < 1440718383 337268 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm i found messing around with cata and ana and Fix, recently, very enlightening < 1440718394 754940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you need to opt out every time. This I think they learned from the Adobe Flash updater. < 1440718404 125306 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want to play more with polymorphic recursion! i just can't think of any uses for it ;-; < 1440718420 340433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Have you done the exercise with Mu/Nu/Fix? < 1440718486 204544 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/aristidb/playground/blob/master/MuNu.hs oh, this thing? < 1440718503 779933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks right. < 1440718508 478860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ignore Fix, sort of. < 1440718513 836805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu and Nu are the interesting ones. < 1440718546 461350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the inhabitants of Mu Maybe and Nu Maybe? < 1440718550 600593 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't, but that looks cool and i might give it a shot right now < 1440718601 954124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoid recursion wherever possible. < 1440718749 509645 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu ($Nothing), for the former... < 1440718792 512018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more than that. < 1440718855 665291 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at Nu, that looks a bit trickier -- it has to work forall a., but i need to supply an a? < 1440718906 255998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r }; data Nu f = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1440718919 691704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to choose x. The consumer gets to choose r. < 1440718931 135838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're not done with Mu, < 1440718933 984774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/./ < 1440719082 676410 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i'll think out loud: basically i have to come up with a function (Maybe r -> r) -> r that is polymorphic over r, right? < 1440719098 516522 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i have an idea < 1440719148 65888 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\f -> f Nothing), (\f -> f $ Just $ f Nothing), (\f -> f $ Just $ f $ Just $ f Nothing), etc. < 1440719159 165657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm < 1440719160 821669 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrap all of those in Mu) < 1440719169 161701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Mu isn't involved. < 1440719180 119754 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1440719190 976869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\f -> f Nothing), (\f -> f (Just (f Nothing))), (\f -> f (Just (f (Just (f Nothing))))), etc. < 1440719192 663746 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent the last hour or so doing something strange < 1440719200 750049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what can you say about Mu Maybe? < 1440719214 484278 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, i meant that as in: i had to give inhabitants of Mu Maybe, not the type it's a wrapper around) < 1440719258 346803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1440719308 96522 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. it reminds me of Fix Maybe in a way that's a bit hard to pin down < 1440719343 802638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the inhabitants of Fix Maybe? < 1440719347 906338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can do Nu Maybe next. < 1440719373 999759 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a sentence generator < 1440719382 903910 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick question: i suppose (\f -> f (Just (f (Just (f (Just ...)))))) = (\f -> fix (f.Just)) is also an inhabitant, right? < 1440719396 119513 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically purposed toward /dirty/ sentences as I thought it'd be funny < 1440719409 883982 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It currently does primitive perversity in exactly 100 lines of code < 1440719419 762630 :hppavilion[1]!~hppavilio@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is quite configurable < 1440719428 632450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: No, you're not allowed recursion in Mu. < 1440719443 814690 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1440719465 826211 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inhabitants of Fix Maybe are Fix Nothing, Fix (Just (Fix Nothing)), etc. < 1440719496 413097 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey, Fix is our (f r -> r)! < 1440719545 107503 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if r is Fix Maybe < 1440719556 997265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a relationship that Fix and Mu have, yes. < 1440719594 983683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1440719596 304437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:144:36: < 1440719596 358836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘Mu’ < 1440719596 358904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.Mu’, defined at .L.hs:152:1 < 1440719618 67448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1440719635 594297 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should look at Nu Maybe, now, and get back to making a conclusion afterwards < 1440719637 346504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Mew f = Mew { runMew :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1440719639 237235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1440719647 598977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Fix f = Fix { runFix :: f (Fix f) } < 1440719649 727309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1440719657 206458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Nu f = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1440719659 75435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1440719685 146055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Well, can you describe the inhabitants of Mu Maybe? < 1440719817 593977 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... well, they all apply (f . Just) some number of times to (f Nothing). they sort of look like folds over a bunch of `Just`s? < 1440719862 92242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what Nu is. < 1440719890 915795 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Nu () Just < 1440719892 448811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nu Maybe < 1440719899 961833 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Nu "hi shachaf" Just < 1440719901 522424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nu Maybe < 1440719908 809937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hauris < 1440719910 830249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the same value. < 1440719922 604275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are equal. < 1440719932 556439 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa