< 1438388463 797854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people using vi/vim is using control and [ instead of escape key because it can be easier to reach while typing other stuff? I am one < 1438388639 63773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. Caps Lock is gleefully remapped to Escape on every keyboard I touch. < 1438388687 526539 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljgadtaedndzvrzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1438389678 464246 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438389680 414503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren/oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. < 1438389700 667644 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438389703 719986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glumgot/glumgot is not a particularly bad swear word, but is still disquieting. < 1438389711 463708 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and last... < 1438389713 414901 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438389714 685306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catamorphism/A catamorphism is when you recurse too greedily and too deep. < 1438389722 534932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oren glumgot catamorphism? < 1438389722 746843 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes. that basic level is hardly very useful, though; i tested it < 1438389754 777323 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438389764 957628 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome codergeek42 < 1438389767 923232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06codergeek42: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.) < 1438389775 469537 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438389792 310646 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O I forgot IRC could have colors lol. < 1438389794 355961 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves hi. < 1438389814 532158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does an interpretative welcome dance < 1438389839 38655 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you here? what's your stance about roast beef? < 1438390057 868057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reef boasting < 1438390087 438905 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reef's so totally better than yours. < 1438390089 572135 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth! < 1438390257 569892 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Not true! My reef's so good, it elevated itself to a small, floating reef-garden! < 1438390276 812131 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe those balloons helped a bit...) < 1438390331 41410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :little known fact: the hanging gardens of babylon were also a reef < 1438390368 165042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellegrep. uh... are you somebody else I know, or are you the one who is who you are? < 1438390394 825015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he's a regular < 1438390428 115567 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Koen_ seems to be the nearest match. < 1438390436 605871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was expecting a mapole < 1438390458 953148 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm oiling and shining it for better ærodynamism. < 1438390467 471648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1438390468 838002 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a regular nuisance, according to egrep. < 1438390503 655803 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *THWACKS* egrep with a half-reversed doublespin southpaw Hyper Mega Drive mapole < 1438390543 48662 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I am the one who was who I will have been and will be and am. < 1438390554 144489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you forgot a ™ < 1438390618 583188 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost all of mine a few days ago. < 1438390644 758089 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My theory is that it was a extreme-stealth mugging that I didn't notice. < 1438390654 699154 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a e/an e/ < 1438390687 233936 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flop to the ground from boily's *THWACK* < 1438390696 585658 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/op/ops/ < 1438390827 317185 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pickpockets egrep, exchanges his royal steaks, then moves a pineapple < 1438390833 488358 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won! < 1438390860 498391 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eving < 1438390867 635002 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its the weekend! < 1438390871 99802 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren! < 1438390876 752892 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sure is! < 1438390883 620908 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1438390883 930053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 010000Z CCA 29014KT 15SM FEW055TCU FEW090 BKN130 BKN270 26/13 A2976 RMK TCU1AC1AC5CI1 TCU TR CI TR CB DIST E SLP076 DENSITY ALT 2100FT < 1438390898 282598 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1438390898 630897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 010000Z 23011KT 30SM FEW060 SCT090 BKN140 BKN240 25/16 A2969 RMK SC1AC4AC2CI1 SC TR SLP054 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1438390935 610518 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna work on my new esolang < 1438390978 274563 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the sucessor to scrip7. it will be compiled < 1438390992 337578 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moves the pineapple back < 1438391028 917425 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just at the fruit market. I bought bananas but I should have bought ananas < 1438391172 830282 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectively most of the basic syntax will be the same as scrip7 < 1438391197 829032 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but jumps and conditionals will be made so that they make sense < 1438391240 702162 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip8, then. :P < 1438391246 914393 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438391257 487869 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip8 < 1438391334 210997 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the g and h registers will be different and the _ pseudo register will be removed < 1438391413 205419 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumps will simply use labels < 1438391451 843117 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the crazy way it works in scrip7 which was badly implemented < 1438391460 914723 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's simpler than scrip7, shouldn't it be scrip6? < 1438391484 135428 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking scr1p7 < 1438391498 63369 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or scrip77 < 1438391570 225754 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh scrip8 is fine < 1438391600 305230 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not entirely simpler, since it adds a preprocessor stage (which does the labels) < 1438391677 143113 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :script7±1. < 1438391734 465673 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MELODIOUS CHICKEN < 1438392022 267899 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripavg(6,8) < 1438392308 264175 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438392444 871783 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:292c:8d4b:a61f:4afd JOIN :#esoteric < 1438393078 331713 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1438394097 895818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438394934 263726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does xterm disable national character sets unless you enable it first (by setting the corresponding DEC private mode)? < 1438395402 759713 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438395628 528370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438395768 650555 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438395774 752002 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438395862 200506 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438396370 994365 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438396371 48622 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438396595 458749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about the third homomorphism theorem < 1438396977 428279 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:292c:8d4b:a61f:4afd PART :#esoteric < 1438397534 103489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the font/rendering of this paper is unbearable < 1438398442 44475 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, do you think it would be wise for me to try and eat my salary in cheese? < 1438398475 164802 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important fact: this is *free* cheese, at the office) < 1438398490 225067 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important fact #2: this would sadly be 25lbs of cheese a day.) < 1438398672 629747 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438398683 421754 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438398903 408133 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not particularly. < 1438399514 681173 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1438400173 806729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would at least be cheesy < 1438400581 221895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's free cheese, it would be ∞ lbs cheese/day hth < 1438400639 436080 :Trigraph!Trigraph@unaffiliated/trigraph JOIN :#esoteric < 1438400707 135536 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the pop songs of 2013 in 10 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEcKDfMS_jY < 1438400766 764030 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.33.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438400782 952515 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438401006 137834 :Trigraph!Trigraph@unaffiliated/trigraph QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438401030 647133 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.33.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438401305 19846 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, free-to-me. It has a market rate. < 1438401346 781595 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I'd get fired if I tried to engage in arbitrage against this, though. < 1438401651 861497 :Trigraph!Trigraph@unaffiliated/trigraph JOIN :#esoteric < 1438401763 680424 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1438401807 696085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some rule about that. < 1438401840 411577 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1438402165 922433 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your employer has instituted an export embargo against the worldwide cheese market? < 1438402180 981081 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438402262 5763 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm still free to disrupt the worldwide bit market. < 1438402771 870264 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438403969 826361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which team are you on? < 1438404148 842295 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I can't seem to find code to input WTF-8-CP-1252 < 1438404193 125511 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(E.g. inputing UTF-8, allowing surrogate pairs and treating all errors by diverting to CP-1252) < 1438404238 122707 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's bizarre. I'm on a team that is currently being spun up, which means that I'm about as clueful as everyone else. < 1438404241 169156 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nominally I' < 1438404260 556689 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :m on dasher SRE, in practice I'm doing random bits and pieces of calendar. < 1438404283 25423 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for no other reason than that I sit next to them) < 1438404371 682265 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. I guess I'll roll my own exceptionless UTF-8 decoder < 1438404448 608614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you working with mhan? < 1438404556 191397 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438404579 781869 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438404605 232567 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. < 1438404615 862663 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is it that hard for people to be "liberal in what you accept, conservative in what you produce" < 1438404640 908546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a scow principle < 1438404648 839262 :dasjdasd!storm@189.123.124.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438404658 486861 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he's in SFO on Gmail these days. < 1438404665 105506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1438404667 961919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a new version of utftovlq < 1438404687 630674 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do work with dinabetser though < 1438404692 981483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe you're near Gracenotes? He used to be in this channel. < 1438404714 611830 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1438404722 587915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well irssi has that feature... < 1438404727 405724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matt Gruen < 1438404742 751918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not sure about surrogate pairs < 1438404778 531254 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm yet to meet him, but he's in the same building. < 1438404782 881275 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different floor though. < 1438404786 376027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which currently doesn't really do anything properly with invalid UTF-8 byte sequences at all, but it does allow surrogates, overlong encodings, and any codepoints up to 36-bits long. < 1438404790 356258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just randomly show up. < 1438404815 968430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some even more new version could add option to decode invalid byte sequences somehow too. < 1438404963 810309 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438405203 307713 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438406020 641205 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, for web use it now makes more sense to use CP 1251 as the backup encoding < 1438406035 214154 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a mix? < 1438406081 645215 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. I'll treat some of the characters as 1252 and some as 1251 < 1438406201 869115 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh screw it, I already have 1252 < 1438406338 845824 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could heuristic it. < 1438406380 53592 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for purposes of IRC it's probably best to fall back to either a configured choice or a choice based on the language. < 1438406404 424234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup encodings are scow. < 1438406419 384462 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH! russian text in CP1251 would have consecutive high bytes, whereas text in european languages would mostly have high low hih low < 1438406465 812523 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence, if a utf-8 invalid sequence is consecutive high bytes, I'll treat it as 1251, else as 1252 < 1438406513 557093 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few different libs for heuristic detecting a charset based on a language model which might be a better approach. < 1438406521 448880 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but they do decrease the amount of bytes needed to hold a given text < 1438406588 286232 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't know of any of 'em that are in a super easy to use state. Might be nice to grab Mozilla's code and port it to C or somethin'. < 1438406775 566832 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@213.152.161.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438406937 648756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For IRC you could have just set based on what screen you are on, if you have multiple screen, or based on what channel, etc < 1438407242 155839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438407322 129392 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438407829 843982 :dasjdasd!storm@189.123.124.190 QUIT : < 1438408906 506222 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@213.152.161.165 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438409527 770941 :Potrimpo!~Potrimpo@203-96-146-194.adsl.paradise.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1438410021 693180 :Potrimpo!~Potrimpo@203-96-146-194.adsl.paradise.net.nz PART :#esoteric < 1438410950 576759 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438411174 579242 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438411202 237515 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438411210 609446 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438412089 115576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: byu < 1438412538 100764 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What!? < 1438412540 600984 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLASPHEMY! < 1438412551 6280 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN CANNOT NOT BE ON THE CHANNELLLLLLLLLLLLL < 1438412651 780958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438412769 288198 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAH! ncurses is mangling my utf-8 < 1438413009 599653 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw this. back to termios < 1438413663 323649 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438414960 750483 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1438414982 912517 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438415583 584880 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438415663 466042 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438417382 773426 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljgadtaedndzvrzc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1438417526 274511 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438417801 323449 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438418705 299012 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438420281 641589 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438420470 298872 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438421363 468390 :Trigraph!Trigraph@unaffiliated/trigraph QUIT : < 1438423084 220 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438423358 960015 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438423412 424738 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438424708 401295 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438424988 363352 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438426782 298184 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438429262 399360 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438430294 510091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438430943 833477 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindley%E2%80%93Milner_type_system#Syntax <-- isn't let x=e1 in e2 just (\x.e2)e1 < 1438431166 531118 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1438431176 292796 :t3cora18!~t3cora18@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438431232 576639 :t3cora18!~t3cora18@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de NICK :h0rsep0wer_znc < 1438431242 356286 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438431962 722070 :h0rsep0wer_znc!~t3cora18@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1438432764 857978 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438432825 406562 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438432908 449514 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1438432939 539804 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Client Quit < 1438433070 747552 :t3cora_!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438433135 540922 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438433468 977243 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CURRANT CHICKEN < 1438435033 746704 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438436769 108682 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438437017 90081 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438437052 199957 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1438437510 844340 :AltSopa!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438437524 663366 :AltSopa!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXT < 1438437680 506653 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438438188 961938 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438438665 796947 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438439164 986214 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1438439330 847113 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = \x->x in (f 1, f "mauris") < 1438439332 287776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,"mauris") < 1438439345 560467 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\f-> (f 1, f "mauris")) (\x->x) < 1438439346 875166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Num [Char]) arising from the literal ‘1’ < 1438439346 980356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of ‘f’, namely ‘1’ < 1438439347 34785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: f 1 < 1438439385 852583 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438439395 603400 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... or scroll down to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindley–Milner_type_system#Let-polymorphism) < 1438439637 929365 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\f : {a : Type} -> a -> a => (f 1, f "foo")) (\x => x) < 1438439643 10689 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13a1 => \13x => 13x is not a numeric type < 1438439683 30054 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf. < 1438439718 305509 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\f : ({a : Type} -> a -> a) => (f 1, f "foo")) (\x => x) < 1438439718 530940 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13a1 => \13x => 13x is not a numeric type < 1438439749 336776 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\f : ({a : Type} -> a -> a) => (f (the Integer 1), f "foo")) (\x => x) < 1438439749 760339 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04(04104, 04"foo"04) : 12(12Integer12, 12String12) < 1438439917 424961 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\f : ({a : Type} -> Show a => a -> a) => (f (the Integer 1), f "foo")) (\x => x) < 1438439917 637376 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:73:No such variable a < 1438440552 792239 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438440670 575232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438441198 326767 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.42.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438441198 434995 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.42.248 QUIT :Changing host < 1438441198 489272 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438441875 338369 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438441888 830584 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438443532 633312 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438443596 522563 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438443914 567846 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438443994 983256 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438444041 301913 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438444137 573636 :Inri_Cristo!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1438444168 889296 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438444169 354135 :Inri_Cristo!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer NICK :h0rsep0wer < 1438444177 914175 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Client Quit < 1438444196 357147 :Inri_Cristo!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1438444196 411526 :Inri_Cristo!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer NICK :h0rsep0wer < 1438445472 325765 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438445567 837342 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438445658 870406 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portmanteau of the day: http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/cnfigsys/switchar.htm < 1438446151 659800 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438446182 919217 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438446398 432550 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438446507 88662 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438446907 918429 :Inri_Cristo!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1438447092 776870 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438447794 52012 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing my own ncurses-alternative < 1438447814 754675 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to, it just happened < 1438447960 649074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not termbox? < 1438448249 528018 :Inri_Cristo!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer NICK :h0rsep0wer < 1438448310 528081 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses doesn't handle utf-8 properly, and I'm too lazy to diagnose the issue, so I wrote my own which handles it. < 1438448324 752214 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, handles it my not handling it < 1438448336 694579 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1438448363 295836 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it’s going to bulge out the right sides of things if there are wide chars? < 1438448388 941885 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, see all wide chars are at least 2 bytes in utf-8 < 1438448429 193269 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only problem will be things being too short < 1438448444 680013 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1438448456 679115 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1438448462 643562 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the original problem again? < 1438448487 868002 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf8 is corrupted when I pass it to addstr < 1438448542 556198 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes out as a bunch of ? < 1438448600 478366 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you’re using a UTF-8 locale? < 1438448627 27885 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_US.UTF-8 < 1438448654 352447 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Well, not gonna try to remotely diagnose this, so carry on I guess … < 1438448696 261931 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another issue I've now solved is that ncurses' handling of colors is stupid < 1438448762 132911 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a setcolors(int,int) which takes the FG and BG colors from 0 to 20 < 1438448776 911706 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 19 < 1438448829 165173 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ncurses suvks < 1438448876 861109 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf ncurses is easier than using termios and ANSI sequences directly < 1438448957 174251 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm working on getting sigwinch to handle correctly < 1438448960 378294 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are alternatives < 1438448973 794037 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Termbox, newt, libcdt < 1438449184 328537 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, cutting a UTF-8 character in half to make the string fit makes it have a ?? but at least the whole thing isn't being corrupter < 1438449222 49116 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, UTF-8 self-synchronization < 1438449487 617263 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this method would have worked a lot better for an EUC-XX encoding < 1438450482 233638 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1438451012 512861 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438451562 716291 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438452480 208595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: What if people want to use 256-colour terminals? < 1438452494 562452 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why 0 to 19? < 1438452622 274042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is especially terrible for terminal encodings < 1438452677 576524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know terminals completely ignore the Right To Left override character < 1438452726 536157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To change text direction should be a escape sequence if anything < 1438452810 430467 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438452831 762921 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that would suddenly only work in terminals, instead of in everything that implements a standards-compliant text layout algorithm. < 1438452871 651737 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is at least one terminal that does implement bidi, it was one of the mac ones. < 1438452904 416472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should not use Unicode for terminals. For typesetting it can work but all of these stuff should be implemented in the font metric file instead; the font metric file decides what the nicode Right-to-left override character does. < 1438453007 189877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Font metric file format used can support include files, so that you can have include files for various versions of Unicode. If the font is not Unicode, then you don't include any of them. < 1438453018 653474 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would essentially require the font metric file to be able to execute arbitrary code inside your layout engine. < 1438453096 216070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is a kind of VM code, not native code, and it is a limited VM code for this purpose only. < 1438453157 524751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command can include registers, ligatures, kerning, subroutine calls, and vertical adjustments. < 1438453185 505569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does not have to support loops) < 1438453213 704839 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how would I avoid unicode in my terminal? No reasonable amount of text consists only of ASCII … < 1438453268 609686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "reasonable amount of text" here? < 1438453375 158490 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sentence, if you had cared to type it correctly. < 1438453458 267107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you should use only ASCII < 1438453463 119772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simpler and more sensible. < 1438453523 303516 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m afraid my language doesn’t fit inside it either. < 1438453525 214965 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one of my unfinished games I stored Greek and Cyrillic text as ASCII then printed it with a special font < 1438453553 28133 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1438453562 484603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Well, it is one way. I tend to just use the PC character set, so there may be some Greek letters but no Cyrillic < 1438453607 25852 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well my point is that's sort of like your font metrics approach. < 1438453645 557236 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the font had a glyph for a that was an alpha, a glyph for b as beta and so on < 1438453709 448347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, in portable terminals I can use VT100 instead of PC characters < 1438453734 85206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the VT100 you might have two fonts, so one is used for line drawing and so on. < 1438453766 936983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in the most recent versions of xterm you can even draw pictures < 1438453781 679466 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438453859 165220 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1438454074 924135 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my program has puttoscreen(X,Y,"[ari[a",CYRILLIC); and it writes царица to the screen < 1438454263 214587 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: What about chinese? < 1438454272 522010 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arabic? < 1438454372 778124 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438454397 306229 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My game didn't have any arabic. It had some chinese as images. < 1438454579 141270 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font for Cyrillic somewhat resembled KOI7 < 1438455401 343304 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you're making a text editor? < 1438455422 441959 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't really have a standard way to get graphics in terminals right now < 1438455449 131331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438455470 390938 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what is this game about? < 1438455966 685264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get graphics in terminals using Sixel format < 1438456010 747322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still not all terminals will support it, but some VT terminals did and xterm does, although xterm supports Tektronix graphics as well.) < 1438456117 30704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a VT510, I think it didn't support the fancy graphics stuff (that being the main difference between VT510 and VT520). < 1438456124 421174 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think libvte terminals support sixels < 1438456141 945393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After it caught fire, it no longer supported even text. < 1438456154 254679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sixels have limited bit depth too, because they were originally designed for line printers < 1438456530 548046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm doesn't display sixels without the --enable-sixel-graphics option < 1438456555 957124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not right < 1438456833 564087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make xterm display sixels < 1438456881 323575 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has to be compiled with sixel support < 1438456932 404096 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a font that supports braille < 1438456985 559745 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. hexels < 1438456997 323044 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, ocxels < 1438456999 527446 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1438457004 509726 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxels < 1438457135 523161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very good solution < 1438457164 463221 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's DWIT < 1438457217 128216 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/articles/FrontAhead-Design < 1438457482 457886 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⣏⡉⡀⠀⡀⡀⣀ < 1438457485 766618 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⡇⠀⢇⡠⡇⡏⠀⡇ < 1438457741 900560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: https://i.imgur.com/44lP0FH.png < 1438457746 739994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it looks like in my terminal < 1438457854 221677 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's the fault of bitstream vera sans mono, it seems < 1438457860 755456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It displays the empty spaces as empty circles < 1438457866 642566 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which looks bad at small font sizes < 1438457915 357033 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438457997 156817 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It comes out similarly on my terminal except slightly better because maybe my font size is a bit bigger? It seems to pick FreeMono for me. < 1438458011 976081 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, DejaVu Sans Mono does the same thing < 1438458046 119783 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I’m pretty sure DejaVu doesn’t have them, some other font gets picked to fill in. < 1438458056 608538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: The problem is that I have DejaVu Sans Mono set as my font, and it provides its own symbols for those, which look bad < 1438458077 773536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, seems DejaVu Sans Mono doesn't have them < 1438458082 784778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But DejaVu Sans does < 1438458087 424426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's using the FreeMono ones < 1438458108 157473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit FreeMono < 1438458108 980944 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, indeed, DejaVu Sans non-mono does have its own. < 1438458151 839988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just using the standard "fixed" bitmap font < 1438458173 424870 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to see which package provides FreeMono and remove it < 1438458210 99995 :t3cora_!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1438458222 239983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttf-freefont < 1438458251 442087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, better < 1438458269 603840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for helping me fix it < 1438458275 539922 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let the⠀news = 3 in the⠀news < 1438458276 864224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘the’Not in scope: ‘news’ < 1438458294 680376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let the news = 3 in the [] < 1438458296 164542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1438458313 347713 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isSpace '⠀' < 1438458314 659914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1438458325 991335 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isSpace '⠀' < 1438458327 443034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1438458339 774351 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why not. < 1438458346 63111 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⠀ < 1438458347 930255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2800 BRAILLE PATTERN BLANK] < 1438458371 85589 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1438458392 74458 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (⠀) = 0 in (⠀) < 1438458393 598723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1438458461 951508 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let the⠀news = 3 in some⠀words < 1438458463 191739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Alternative f0) arising from a use of ‘some’ < 1438458463 246147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Num a) < 1438458463 246282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: Num a => a at Top level < 1438458486 873629 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let the⠀news = 3 in any⠀words < 1438458488 237243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Foldable t0) arising from a use of ‘any’ < 1438458488 339753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Num a) < 1438458488 393956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: Num a => a at Top level < 1438459002 964110 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :wombatman < 1438459022 841954 :wombatman!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1438459789 756113 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438460141 353592 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1438461965 380724 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qwgypnntzjefddfi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438462524 402084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438462744 219624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43678&oldid=43677 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-268) 10These eight wrappers are the same length as very simple two cell wrappers. I see no point keeping them. < 1438463071 447109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1438463299 425398 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438463388 870171 :isnaldo!~canaima@190.77.229.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438463528 574549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a resource in xterm that causes it to send the contents of that resource to itself when it starts or is reset? Such a thing can be used to change some settings that aren't available with other resources. < 1438463640 344089 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438463694 44374 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438463698 3450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue/grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean < 1438463724 142963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good wisdom < 1438463761 682634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent wisdom. < 1438464129 921143 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wisest < 1438464154 469169 :isnaldo!~canaima@190.77.229.251 PART :#esoteric < 1438465342 954659 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438466560 827049 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438467725 341255 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438467915 289096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438467985 360673 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438468353 848859 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438468432 368881 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438468451 726952 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1438468455 613814 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1438468459 472614 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1438468726 9490 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1438468726 345731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 012237Z 29013G18KT 15SM -SHRA FEW007 FEW025CB BKN050 BKN075 19/16 A2975 RMK SF1CB2SC4AC1 SF TR PRESRR SLP073 DENSITY ALT 800FT < 1438469170 247088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhoily < 1438469186 157555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1438469186 475900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 012220Z VRB02KT CAVOK 10/06 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 07004KT < 1438469303 303504 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bœrjanour. < 1438469312 765285 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the size that counts, it's the relative humidity. < 1438469375 54547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :H2OKAY < 1438469410 629431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess today was indeed relatively dry < 1438469420 776435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it started out warmer < 1438469539 770859 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a command to eliminate duplicates in my bash history < 1438469607 39363 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort .bash_history | uniq >bash_history_copy && mv bash_history_copy .bash_history < 1438469609 883344 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑? < 1438469688 969047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: include ignoredups or erasedups in the HISTCONTROL variable hth < 1438469855 921011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the latter < 1438470039 964712 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilty: that worked < 1438470058 407364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a version of uniq that doesn't require sorting < 1438470087 51100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: my suggestion is for keeping it that way hth < 1438470114 429402 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although now my history is in alphabetical order from bash --version to xxd < 1438470141 72358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, there should have been a uniq version that worked without sorting < 1438470175 812576 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what would be an efficieant algorithm for that? < 1438470212 638670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with shell, probably you could use nl first to prepend line numbers < 1438470223 377578 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah that would work < 1438470246 335946 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1438470250 111273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then whatever options to sort and uniq make them ignore the line numbers, and then a sort on the line numbers at the end < 1438470616 571507 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oretn: it's a known side-effect that sorting sorts data. < 1438470784 716043 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438471294 304739 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438472050 521458 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438472834 527717 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438473461 572376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438473519 539057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned Prera. that thing is unwashable. < 1438473852 53811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438474024 918449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438474199 308197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one time i forgot a pen in the laundry went surprisingly well. it even wrote afterward. < 1438474223 309726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have, however, no intention of repeating such a mistake. < 1438474291 301435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _think_ it wrote. my memory is a little vague. < 1438474306 231409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1438474695 96434 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil based ballpoint probably would not cuase problems in the laundry < 1438475057 719453 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps his pens away from his washing machine and oerjan < 1438475809 727300 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1438475856 799709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DEC technical character set doesn't seem to work in this version of xterm < 1438475980 459607 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one bigass sum symbol... http://www.vt100.net/charsets/dec-technical-vt420-green.png < 1438476062 575315 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to display nonunicode characters in a terminal, are there any magical escape sequences for that? < 1438476075 617622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, but it depends on what you mean by "nonunicode" < 1438476080 272348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what encoding are they in? < 1438476238 646254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use a different kind of character set that you can select subsets of, which can include all characters in: PC character set, all DEC character sets, Commodore 64, Apple MouseText, up to 256 user-defined characters, and probably also some more. < 1438476275 440462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think all those are in Unicode? < 1438476297 844393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not all of them are. < 1438476308 490337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is Infocom character graphics, the other one I missed < 1438476333 299231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some characters from some of these sets are, including the entire PC character set, but not all of the others < 1438476348 866908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "up to 256 user-defined characters" are < 1438476354 609271 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anything outside of unicode. mainly obscure platform-specific glyphs. < 1438476364 537124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, I see < 1438476371 548813 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, probably what zzo38 is looking for at. < 1438476377 130971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any /standard/ codes for that because such a thing would have to be highly nonstandard < 1438476384 791261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. < 1438476402 613787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... otoh, can I address individual pixels in a modern terminal and plot arbitrary data in it? < 1438476404 477980 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438476404 532333 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438476404 532393 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438476416 916976 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lleu, helleu. < 1438476426 992317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: unless it's xterm, no < 1438476428 304530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You can use Sixel, but you have to start at a tile < 1438476440 633070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm can emulate more than one terminal, and one of them is graphical < 1438476441 328457 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438476451 813994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has codes that are nothing like a vt100 < 1438476460 974128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow. too lazy to launch xterm. < 1438476483 66684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has codes from later DEC terminals as well, as well as several of its own codes. < 1438476585 995775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t any < 1438476587 240026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> Bool) -> t a -> Bool < 1438476716 617513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> or (Just True) < 1438476718 160048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1438476767 945022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum (Left "hi") < 1438476769 505161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1438476798 936141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lets it sink in < 1438476847 876839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sum < 1438476848 875853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num a, Foldable t) => t a -> a < 1438476862 224950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left "hi" is Either String a < 1438476871 903826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... uh... Num a implies having a zero? < 1438476877 319293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1438476883 463034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 0 < 1438476884 427157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1438476909 871832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, defaulting to Integer < 1438476913 947038 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438476927 963133 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having anything implies having a nothing. < 1438476938 430459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum Nothing < 1438476939 938771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1438476983 235240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA LA LA CAN'T SEE ANYTHING LA LA LA ♪ < 1438477049 489756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length Nothing < 1438477051 16241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1438477097 951726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (-) 0 (Just 1) < 1438477099 448752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1438477258 164752 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr < 1438477259 246886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b < 1438477306 173737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, most of the list functions got generalized < 1438477370 627001 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice. but also stuff. < 1438477826 536718 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438479076 327719 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438479080 85962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SOLVABLE CHICKEN < 1438481170 814425 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438481815 539715 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438482183 120925 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qwgypnntzjefddfi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1438482627 61052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438483286 443060 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1438483340 746520 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438483782 691793 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438486563 643385 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438488284 551116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438488389 478263 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438488619 587134 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438490068 438475 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoorah, I have met shachaf in meatspacde. < 1438490172 212199 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1438490215 321473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he look like his SO profile picture < 1438490232 660387 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1438490238 669621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1438490244 650996 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: "thats fantastic :b" < 1438490246 519325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is outrageous! < 1438490414 581336 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438490914 381990 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438491147 1482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :murning < 1438493934 666810 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438494033 832639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempting to watch a TOS episode < 1438494034 154478 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438494039 521274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effects are so... bad < 1438494045 948969 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438494128 208529 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the standards of the day they were quite good. < 1438494141 318560 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait til you see contemporary Dr Who episodes. < 1438494287 403047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only watching this episode because I've seen multiple references to it and suggestions that it's really good < 1438494383 342055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure what Dr Who episodes would be contemporary < 1438494859 740966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's some stutter like the Rift gets if fps is too low < 1438494980 618234 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438495050 750046 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438495066 987997 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hi < 1438495425 712090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap I recognize this name from fanfiction :( < 1438495475 146568 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which name? < 1438495476 19080 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine? < 1438495485 170989 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1438495502 164783 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiit < 1438495508 341048 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait < 1438495536 651828 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've said that even if it wasn't me now you know... < 1438495538 779805 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1438495635 368552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of a character in this episode < 1438495665 954233 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1438495668 83148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also predicting atomic power would require more than "speculation" if you're not a physicist, so guessing "speculation" is a bad guess < 1438495741 977474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for any spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it yet < 1438495820 678665 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what show you're talking about < 1438495821 891633 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1438495850 28160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek The Original Series "City on the Edge of Forever" < 1438495857 256013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I will stop looking at this channel < 1438495860 480309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or try to < 1438495867 911599 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1438496146 730030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with "6" in front of lyrics in the closed captions? < 1438496439 678136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pikhq must be confused. < 1438496487 164439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look a lot more like that picture than you do like http://stackoverflow.com/users/1088108/%C3%98rjan-johansen , i'm sure < 1438496501 691811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway who's to confirm i even met pikhq < 1438496642 384135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly pikhq must have met an imposter, then < 1438498150 791129 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438498386 596150 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438498862 749280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438499284 239809 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1438499964 609769 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438500095 824730 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438500350 764358 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438501707 136364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1438501793 326456 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438502769 37691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438502778 409643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZ < 1438504547 553944 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438506542 654523 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438508476 6200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck them < 1438508495 686430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :another stupid webpage that gives only some stupid unusable javascript map for searching their shops, instead of a usable LIST < 1438508500 190820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they thinking? < 1438508589 714870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1438508626 611398 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438509148 570333 :SopaLostPass!~SopaXorzT@5.29.31.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438509390 655703 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438509798 999752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ok wait, let me explain. FooCorp is a very big faceless corporation that not only has a webpage, but also lots of real life buildings where clients can walk in and use their services. < 1438509841 563665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As there's many such buildings, even within Budapest, I want to know which one to go to. This depends on the location, the opening hours, the services available there, and some other stuff. < 1438509885 228246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FooCorp should put a list of their buildings on there homepage, in plain HTML format, giving the address, opening hour, and list of services, for each building. < 1438509944 132551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't do that. Instead they have some unusable fancy combined server side and javascript search page, where you first have to specify in the search form which district you want shops in (so you can't just list all, but have to try all 20 possibilities), and then give some crazy javascript map page that I can't use, instead of a list of matches. < 1438509952 623263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true for at least two values of FooCorp. < 1438509989 917424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their homepage is so unusable that I have to ask about the sites on phone or in person. < 1438510087 317763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that clearer? < 1438510089 895130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1438510094 596160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those pages suck. < 1438510111 661600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be easier to grep a text file . < 1438510129 437846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, at least as an alternative. < 1438510275 165845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For at least one value of FooCorp, I had actually asked by phone, and then just found out that they gave an incorrect answer (unless it's changed recently). < 1438510366 663862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For another value of FooCorp, I'm not sure what to call by phone, because they don't generally do business by phone, and don't seem to have a general information phone line as far as I'm aware (maybe they do, but I can't find that from their homepage). < 1438510435 379556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I said "faceless", I mean the individual workers I meet often don't know more than what's necessary for their job, so in person they usually can't tell me about the other sites. < 1438510539 787207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether if I call them by phone they have to use the same stupid javascript thingy (which however may actually work slightly better on their work machines) or they have something better. < 1438510559 377146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may depend on the value of FooCorp and my question. < 1438510744 733164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information like this changes quickly enough that lists made by third parties are usually obsolate. < 1438511583 920623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438513626 791652 :SopaLostPass!~SopaXorzT@5.29.31.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438515030 88629 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438516159 327047 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438516290 504921 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438516308 858364 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438516555 748052 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438516573 825472 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438517923 533559 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438517923 737840 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438517923 792290 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438519395 460406 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438519543 873084 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438520794 327198 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438520978 423989 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1438521967 652337 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438521971 565673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin/copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. < 1438522042 573620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell copumpkin come back here you vile cocucurbitaceæ! < 1438522042 830509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1438522224 143973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438522225 568239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :justice/Justice is just behavior or treatment. < 1438522230 613082 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438522231 921270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :output/ < 1438522244 564992 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/output < 1438522247 41586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott olsner < 1438523198 156478 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SIPHONOPHORE CHICKEN < 1438523279 123668 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438523626 999997 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438524487 24754 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438525209 602569 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438525894 754945 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438528337 508376 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438529003 294754 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom from the neural net: < 1438529004 727534 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00:02: I don't know. There's a program on the different commands and a constant thing that aren't the same as a human function that is the same as a language to get a specific article. < 1438529057 725496 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-spnrhctjvajrlgzi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438529088 379544 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu! < 1438529238 557934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren < 1438529445 305399 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nzdnjwoikywjvyqe JOIN :#esoteric < 1438529490 579754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wisdom from the n-gram synthesis? < 1438529490 810859 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for example, write a glass interpreter in c. code has no memory model. all models are wrong. < 1438530018 239575 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nzdnjwoikywjvyqe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438530305 400518 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wvggibkcqmlbinpn JOIN :#esoteric < 1438530332 632157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learnt that M:tG isn't the only game with a flaming horse. There's a flaming horse pokémon too. < 1438530381 982796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ponyta) < 1438530687 117781 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rapidash < 1438530722 497716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its evolved form, yes < 1438530739 495195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fire, ice, and water versions of every popular animal exists in fiction < 1438530869 627340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dire and celestial and giant versions, plus miniature versions of every animal that isn't already small or smaller < 1438531365 637780 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wtf?! unicode includes a ㋼ but no circled ン? < 1438531392 496542 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who even uses a ヰ let alone a circled one?!?! < 1438531500 879093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are Pokémons in different generation Pokémon games so similar? < 1438531549 188125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: why would you need a circled n? < 1438531578 931837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't these for bullet headings or things like that? < 1438531599 934052 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though they were for trademarks? < 1438531611 885018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trademarks? how so < 1438531646 224638 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like some store might but each kana of their name in a circle? < 1438531661 352913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trademarks is ™ < 1438531720 364611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um... I don't see how that would work. you could use a circled single kana as a trade mark, but it would be a logo, not a character. < 1438531770 714517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you'd do it for every character in a name though, unless you somehow associate a different product with each of them, like one for coke, one for fruit juice, one for ginger ale, one for tonic < 1438531906 362110 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the first results searching for ㋐ is a japanese forum where someone is asking why the character exists < 1438531937 624915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that, but I still don't see why you'd need a circled n character < 1438531956 435158 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For completeness < 1438531992 272085 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to have wi, which isn't even used much anymore, you should have n, which is. < 1438532037 873114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wi isn't used in words, but it's still known to exist in the series of kana, so I imagine someone might use it if he starts numbering passages with letters < 1438532079 173275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. in a hungarian book or law, if points are marked with letters of the alphabet starting with a, b, c; it will use "q" eventually in a long enough list even though "q" doesn't usually appear in Hungarian words < 1438532095 666392 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1438532131 69720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether a list marked with kana would use wi, and it may depend < 1438532217 935307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, these lists get horribly inconsistent when they need just a few more items than there are letters in the alphabet < 1438532253 472472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time they're used only when they need between 2 and about 13 items only < 1438532333 424717 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For lists in English texts I've seen numbers, letters, roman numbers, lowercase roman numbers, and in one case greek letters. < 1438532415 652367 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Excel goes A...Z,AA,AB,...AZ,BA < 1438532537 4773 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What numbering schemes does HTML support? < 1438532589 536149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: quite a few, check the css documents < 1438532642 445825 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AA thing apparently works with type="a" < 1438532665 689277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/list-style-type < 1438532766 411546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently css even allows you to create new list numbering styles < 1438532770 118795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css-counter-styles-3/#counter-style < 1438532858 581043 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1438532864 108768 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite complicated < 1438532949 499255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css-counter-styles-3/#predefined-counters lists the predefined styles < 1438533315 855668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the CSS standard draft guys are perfectionists < 1438534041 921211 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter-style cjk-earthly-branch < 1438534045 795921 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... wow. < 1438534202 541347 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! they didn't include circled ン because ン doesn't appear in the iroha < 1438534363 159089 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus when things are numbered by the iroha you don't need it < 1438534602 153159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: why is ン considered a "real" kana in first place when ー isn't? < 1438534765 410998 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be mu < 1438534875 935090 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438534884 818281 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wvggibkcqmlbinpn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438534893 755348 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438534905 887033 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vuytyynuwtidahdm JOIN :#esoteric < 1438534972 635371 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438535073 611197 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not sure < 1438535261 623809 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mean it was introduced later than the other kana. < 1438535525 421314 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, the letters w and v are newer < 1438535569 527594 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1438535597 835900 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is å counted as a letter? < 1438535630 86758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's certainly a letter, the question is whether it's considered an accented version of a or a separate letter < 1438535638 331135 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1438535651 157047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure I care about those distinctions < 1438535653 916446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're sort of pointless < 1438535666 562085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like when people discuss which digraphs count as letters < 1438535689 123543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actually relevant points are how stuff are sorted in which traditional alphabetic order, < 1438535700 334780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's like a separate order per language, or sometimes two or three of them, < 1438535708 817977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus what letters count as the same in crossword puzzles. < 1438535727 215384 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess the question is if Excel had been invented in Norway would å be a column head? < 1438535750 892169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh, there's that too, yes < 1438535773 972942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm quite sure that ö is never used in any of the listings for Hungarian, < 1438535792 676940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a few use "sz" or "zs" or other digraphs, but those are rare too, they mostly come up when they run out of letters < 1438535812 874738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important actual variation is actually whether they include only "i" or only "j" or both "i" and "j" < 1438535821 115372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are conflicting traditions on that < 1438535886 814850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also some variations on how strings with spaces are sorted < 1438536006 802763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily how strings without spaces are sorted is quite fixed in Hungarian, there's only one order < 1438536039 1037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, how dzs is sorted may have changed around the 80s when they turned it officially to a letter, but I don't think that ever comes up as a difference in any list of real strings) < 1438536091 414894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'd basically need a string that can be continued with both "dzs" and "dzú" or something, and "dz" is a pretty rare letter in the first place) < 1438536112 975521 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "dzs" one square in a crossword puzzle < 1438536248 538202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: no. even "sz" is two squares < 1438536252 993752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crosswords have their own crazy rules < 1438536263 702530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, "sz" is one square in Scrabble < 1438536265 796977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's complicated < 1438536367 380486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where crosswords differ is whether some vowels are allowed to be considered the same (so the horizontal word can contain one vowel but the vertical word a different one), and I think it's sort of an implementation quality thing in crosswords, as in, a crossword is "better" if it considers each 14 vowels different < 1438536744 369818 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In German, crosswords universally require äöüß to be written as ae, oe, ue, ss. < 1438536781 154246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: wow, I didn't know that < 1438536788 372467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have guessed about ae oe ue < 1438536802 416795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing ß as ss makes sense of course < 1438536829 388627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time vowels are written as two vowels are very old telegram/telex messages. < 1438536837 308646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Hungarian that is < 1438537096 892184 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< b_jonas> how are Pokémons in different generation Pokémon games so similar? – Could you be more specific? Do you mean the ones that obviously occupy similar ecological niches in different regions? < 1438537171 348307 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And similar niches regarding players and npcs.) < 1438537258 789809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: no, I mean most pokémons from generation 1 pokémon seem to exist in all later generations with the same name and type and generally the same proeprties or very similar properties < 1438537321 929062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that there's been decades of the consoles and games improving tech wise < 1438537337 397268 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. They’re the same ones. AFAIK Pokémon have never been removed from the national dex, only added. < 1438537360 214160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1438537400 150286 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure what you mean by why there. It’s all the same world, canonically. < 1438537404 104603 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some have been given new types < 1438537412 314953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same world, so the pokémons exist in the story < 1438537431 229375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strange part is that they're all (or most of them) still in the game and catchable and playable < 1438537438 709556 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electrode was pure electric in earlier games and became electric/steel < 1438537449 527586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the properties that matter in play, such as moves or how they evolve, are very similar too < 1438537456 563944 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: You’re thinking of the magnemite line, not electrode. < 1438537472 946018 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1438537512 741848 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly stopped playing after silver. (I beat a few of the newer games, but stopped playing after I beat them) < 1438537519 898991 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438537529 92913 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Generally they keep getting new moves as moves are added, but they generally keep being able to learn all the ones they could in earlier generations. < 1438537544 385181 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m just not sure what you find strange about it. < 1438537544 849109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I see < 1438537587 604663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: dunno, are there any other series of games where the games are two decades apart, and have actually using two decades newer technology, but are so similar to each other? < 1438537628 63872 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... what about the handheld 2D Zelda games < 1438537629 171589 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1438537634 326220 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438537659 239211 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438537665 211648 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare the gameplay of Links awakening to misih cap < 1438537669 793635 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minish cap < 1438537687 908877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can think of one example, tetris games are somewhat similar until you start to do crazy tricks < 1438537737 657197 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... the PC Touhou series started in 2002 < 1438537744 985414 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's one decade < 1438537756 552514 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a bunch of subtleties with mechanics being added and changed that make the later games play somewhat differently in some respects. So matchups might have quite different results. < 1438537776 670131 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no characters have been removed from the Touhou universe < 1438537791 263943 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the PC era anyway) < 1438537808 375545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some tetris games. not all. < 1438537855 571503 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If you have all the right hardware and software versions and stuff, you can probably still transfer a third-generation pokemon over all the way to the sixth. Also between the first and second, but between second and third there is no connectivity. < 1438537937 468506 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Street Fighter! AFAIK most characters from the original are in the most recent one < 1438537948 186149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes, that makes it even more amazing. < 1438537965 874978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh true, there's Mortal Kombat too < 1438537978 149320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has lots of common characters < 1438537991 185178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some characters are removed in some later games, but still < 1438538059 760467 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Basically, most of the times they were like “transfer pokémon from the previous generation!” So necessarily everything needed to support the previous stuff. < 1438538070 768730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I see < 1438538163 21731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG is sort of an example, with two decades of support of strange old cards on paper, and one decade in video games < 1438538239 388597 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether that’s the actual reason, I don’t know. It may well also have been a highly successful strategy to lure people from one generation to the next. < 1438538264 253257 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there’s the remakes. < 1438538312 149871 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo knows that I will buy a game over and over again < 1438538312 400437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Panglacial Wurm is from Coldsnap? < 1438538315 77533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's CRAZY < 1438538323 870330 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gen 3 included remakes of the main Gen 1 games, Gen 4 of Gen 2, Gen 6 of Gen 3.) < 1438538324 721528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was an old card < 1438538332 439192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would explain why it has such a strange ability < 1438538342 401082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a new one, printed _knowing_ it's a strange ability < 1438538352 729119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did they do that? < 1438538375 199279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that strange mechanic exist on an older card? < 1438538383 879427 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently playing a Gen 3 pokémon game … emulated on his phone. < 1438538409 264082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it did < 1438538410 520369 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel guilty emulating nintendo games that I've bought three times < 1438538431 617567 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be sure, shachaf looks more like SO shachaf than oerjan looks like SO oerjan, I'm sure. < 1438538603 92695 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438538700 601276 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on StackOverflow < 1438538724 641085 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put a picture of myself on my website... < 1438538852 88366 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438539531 173586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia says that Wikipedia's article about Riemann "contains little discussion of Riemann's faith and tries to downplay his fundamentalism as though it were merely a passing interest as a teenager". I have looked; it seems to contain a reasonable amount of discussion to me, and the other criticisms Conservapedia makes are also invalid, although perhaps this information could be made easier to find; currently information about his religious be < 1438540115 344636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia also seems to misunderstand what the word "mythology" even means. < 1438540747 468370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm actually using two pinned windows now. Maybe I should reinstate the keyboard shortcut for pinning a window when I rework my window manager configuration. < 1438540753 848680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use to use pinned windows much < 1438541187 870828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What window manager is that? < 1438541199 677859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: icewm < 1438541220 323179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinned means it stays on the screen when I switch between "virtual desktops" < 1438541297 252100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll want to rework the window manager configuration a bit anyway, though I won't change anything really significant, but I want to set it up so I can control two nested instances (such as inside and outside vnc) so there's two variations of the wm config with the more important keyboard shortcuts duplicated in some consistent manner (eg. with or without shift) < 1438541779 839561 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438541793 934802 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438541876 565780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know of other cards with Panglacial Wurm's special ability < 1438541966 673350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mean you can use mana abilities while searching your library; see which cases it helps with < 1438542022 524927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep, and I was wondering if a mana ability could somehow cause to end your turn during searching your library, and what would happen then with the rest of the effects on the spell you're resolving < 1438542040 108664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. at what step would you put the land you searched for into play < 1438542060 575061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is that too, but I don't know of any mana abilities that end your turn immediately < 1438542065 18641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether there's some multiplayer shenenigans < 1438542083 673139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not immediately, but as some multi-step consequence of say sacrificing permanents < 1438542102 626871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard because most of the tricky things don't happen immediately, but only as triggers or state-based effects < 1438542119 767120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I thought. < 1438542139 296540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rulings mention that you can mill your library while searching using Panglacial < 1438542144 717090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can be of interest if a puzzle is made up that involves this using the mana abilities while searching your library. < 1438542195 340613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can know what the top card of your library is and use this to determine whether or not you want to discard it due to Millikin < 1438542226 212121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that's not really breaking anything < 1438542232 558297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are easier ways to know what's in your library < 1438542287 803069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if there's some way to search your library but not shuffle afterwards, but it's probably both impossible and wouldn't be interesting, because the rules don't actually permit you to rearrange your library when searching technically < 1438542298 783542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it is still one way, such as if that is all you have available < 1438542320 150003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that you can lose the game, but then your library won't be interesting anymore)_ < 1438542496 868508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated to Panglacial, there's one rules thing that I don't understand. < 1438542507 697997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rule is it? < 1438542573 32364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are actions in the rules that are supposed to happen "at the same time", and this can involve putting multiple cards onto the battlefield, and that happens fast enough that the Ally trigger on each of them happens. < 1438542605 608935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider Land Equilibrium. This has a replacement ability that can replace putting a card onto the battlefield with two events that aren't supposed to happen at the same time. < 1438542620 7095 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438542620 578326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when Land Equilibrium replaces putting one of multiple cards onto the battlefield? < 1438542634 303849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what order and speed do the events happen then? < 1438542649 324970 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438542650 133713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438542650 188100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438542650 633920 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438542651 205880 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438542651 816731 :sunnymilk!~sunnymilk@unaffiliated/sunnymilk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438542655 324693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438542656 658348 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438542656 740912 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438542659 898246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438542669 155147 :sunnymilk!~sunnymilk@unaffiliated/sunnymilk JOIN :#esoteric < 1438542685 275295 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438542687 436361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, maybe if you read the rules you can figure out < 1438542693 276002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, irc server shut down. How much did I get through? < 1438542700 777282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when Land Equilibrium replaces putting one of multiple cards onto the battlefield? < 1438542706 279446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what order and speed do the events happen then? < 1438542721 280460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I don't believe that "at the same time" actually means at the same time, it's just fast enough that some things aren't checked in between by the rules. < 1438542736 784778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, I don't know what happens with a replace like this, and I haven't seen a relevant rule. < 1438542772 294305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily such replacement effects seem to be rare. < 1438542794 805392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheltered Valley has another one. < 1438542817 306284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Land Equilibrium is probably the best. < 1438542939 540190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one of my own card that has a mana ability that counters all spells with split-second ability < 1438542997 249067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one what? < 1438543072 937327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which card is that? I don't see it in http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt < 1438543087 844087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can it counter a spell during paying its cost? < 1438543226 61882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a mana ability, so it can work even while spells with split-second are on the stack, and when you can use mana abilities (such as with Panglacial Wurm) < 1438543257 545583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is "Stone of Interruption" < 1438543354 868148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: great, I think you can use that during paying for a Stone of Interruption that you started to cast < 1438543381 345722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438543404 396671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it also possible to somehow use it to counter a split second spell while it's resolving? I don't remember what split second spells there are < 1438543411 186492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have "Kjugobe's Psychic Control" which grants another spell a split second ability < 1438543491 174299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think you can still face morph cards when spells with split second are on the stack < 1438543500 480264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of an instant with "Turn target spell face down.", let's call this Pongify Spell. How much would that break the rules, now that we can manifest sorceries? < 1438543584 468384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you've made a lot of new cards. I'll have to look at them later. < 1438543587 655173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know, although I did make a card that has "Manifest target spell" < 1438543631 572306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? "Manifest target spell"? what does that do if that spell isn't a card (but a copy of a spell)? < 1438543698 380868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although I have made up a rule that makes spells that aren't represented as cards to come into play as tokens < 1438543730 890047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly studying the other rules, can figure out more < 1438543731 342982 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UVC, or Unicode Vernacular C, is a dialect of C in which certain unicode characters may be used in place of certain sequences of ASCII characters. < 1438543812 716414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spells that come into play as tokens, such as when they resolve? Now that's scary. < 1438543853 5386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, such as if you make a copy of an enchantment spell or creature spell or whatever < 1438543860 89268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd need a careful modification of that tricky rule that gives all the exceptions of when an effect can follow an object moving through zones. < 1438543866 90979 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, ≥ ≤ and ≡ may be used instead of <= >= == respectively < 1438543903 460152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: there seems to be something like that for Haskell, used in all kinds of articles printing haskell code < 1438543912 472028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :research articles < 1438543927 172218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen it with C yet < 1438544022 696177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. for haskell, there are characters representing each of ++ -> <- :: < 1438544036 372126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more symbol combinations that I don't remember right now < 1438544312 921942 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completeness for C++, we need characters for >= <= == != << >> ++ -- // /* */ && || :: -> < 1438544630 600373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: also for ... < 1438544671 856202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: and possibly for /= *= += -= <<= >>= &= ^= |= < 1438544688 248333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also possibly for [[ and ]] which aren't really digraphs < 1438544692 296257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitely for ## < 1438544726 748186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also definitely for -> .* ->* < 1438544743 576244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> is very common < 1438544807 666093 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :≥≤≡≠≪≫║∷→ < 1438544839 348357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: … < 1438544845 355150 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for logical and and or ∧ ∨ would make sense < 1438544856 804153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I wouldn't like that, no < 1438544861 891211 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1438544864 920290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not with ^ < 1438544882 122570 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously we would not use ^ for that < 1438544892 848276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the better convention is to use & | circledplus for bitwise ops < 1438544910 110545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forget abut vee and wedge in that context < 1438544920 87601 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊕ < 1438544937 804122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that < 1438544941 936262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have that in my font < 1438544967 151810 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438546533 313612 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438548384 375778 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438549087 909993 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438549203 77982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accept = backspace / or / backspace = as an alternative to != then < 1438549566 780483 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, we're talking about Magic. < 1438549633 736022 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are spell permanents, and spell cards in hand, actually spells? < 1438549639 703052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1438549646 102633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only on the stack count as spells < 1438549679 275372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you target a spell, you can only target a spell on the stack. < 1438549725 236880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "turn target spell face down" would necessarily act on a spell on the stack. < 1438549814 295111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438549955 335602 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the rules say it would "have no characteristics other than those listed by" the thing that let you turn it face down. So if the instant just said to turn it face down, it would end up with no characteristics at all. < 1438549997 958920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what zzo38 says, except note that "spell" is used in a different meaning in the phrase "spell type". < 1438550025 43536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what? wouldn't it still be a 2/2 creature < 1438550043 192709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might be a 2/2 creature with a mana cost of {3} and nothing else < 1438550045 631113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not while on the stack < 1438550049 39339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1438550052 389526 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that only applies to permanents turned face down, not spells. < 1438550063 209704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you don't have to pay the mana cost in this case anyways) < 1438550073 85348 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently if a permanent is turned face down, it has no mana cost. < 1438550082 71272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, does Nix works on a face down spell? < 1438550087 658253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1438550088 39101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one cast with morph specifically? < 1438550095 887075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1438550097 980236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would think it works on any spell cast without paying any mana. < 1438550100 911123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix doesn't work like that < 1438550109 480237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Nix doesn't care about the mana cost or converted mana cost < 1438550109 768449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell cast with morph was paid with three mana, so it can't be used < 1438550116 608772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which conterspells care about that? < 1438550146 422202 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what happens when a spell with no characteristics and no text resolves? < 1438550148 623763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, there is my "Phyrexian Nix" variant < 1438550177 539528 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it go to the graveyard, and thus get turned face up again? < 1438550183 951223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I would do, it just comes into play; if for some reason it cannot, it goes to the graveyard instead. < 1438550184 227209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dispersal Shield < 1438550203 139821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does Dispersal Shield work with a spell cast face down using morph? < 1438550210 66674 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do the rules say happens? < 1438550212 516514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I knew I had such a counterspell) < 1438550246 51224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it should come to play face down as part of resolving, without getting turned face up, I think < 1438550248 765104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; what does that card say? < 1438550279 87302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Dispersal Shield is an Instant with "Counter target spell if its converted mana cost is less than or equal to the highest converted mana cost among permanents you control." < 1438550284 930286 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438550332 815327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those multiple cards from the Onslaught block that care about Scornful Egoist < 1438550348 847147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scornful Egotist < 1438550755 167699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of other counterspells that care about cmc, including Disdainful Stroke; Disrupting Shoal; Induce Paranoia; Overwhelming Intellect; Prohibit; Rethink; Spell Burst; Spell Blast (wow, it has remainder text for cmc, they're finally starting to put SANE remainder text on cards, great!); Thoughtbind. < 1438550794 479723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most famous such counterspell is probably Mana Drain. < 1438550932 730338 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438551135 836494 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438551246 31996 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438551269 527362 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438551386 577513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438551551 902192 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1438552686 370934 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge thuderstorm here. my power's probably going to go out < 1438552709 508876 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, good luck < 1438552723 562771 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those bloody incompetents at toronto hydro can't waterproof anything < 1438552743 355601 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1438552743 768124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 022151Z 22013G51KT 210V300 5SM +TSRA FEW009 BKN026CB OVC250 18/14 A2976 RMK SF2CB4CI2 FRQ LTGIC ALQDS WSHFT 2143 PRESFR SLP078 DENSITY ALT 1200FT < 1438552775 95247 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gusting 51 knots! crazy < 1438552781 324309 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438552803 419376 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooow < 1438552834 447061 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, the highest the weather station I use has ever seen was 62 knots < 1438552843 798300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was... last year < 1438553016 575324 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has settleed down a little < 1438553046 383309 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's down to a drizzle. < 1438553191 218503 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my power could still go out, when the water sinks into the earth and fucks up the cables < 1438553211 460556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i haven't looked at the blitzersomething site in a while < 1438553260 569369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitzortung < 1438553309 419775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they have a world map now < 1438553354 988325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's definitely happening in the lakes area < 1438553355 401071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1438553363 589326 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the thundermap thing < 1438553432 846927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it disconnected < 1438554025 535174 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea < 1438554048 656560 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dieareses < 1438554059 135588 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck I can't spell that bullshit < 1438554082 686265 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diaeresis < 1438554163 745928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea < 1438554169 485762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1251) I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea < 1438554219 650173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let this be a warning to other fontomaniacs < 1438554265 652036 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1438554271 44114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the distinction is between SO shachaf and shachaf. < 1438554278 699799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same person hth < 1438554311 353488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just shachaf. the other one is SO shachaf. hth. < 1438554312 216796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png is my picture almost everywhere. I'm not sure why you picked SO. < 1438554313 908916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, SO shachaf is unbelievably shachaf. He is so shachaf I can't even handle how shachaf he is < 1438554343 925741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: easiest to find at a moment's notice? < 1438554346 37053 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number 8 should formally be decomposable as o with ring above < 1438554360 577128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use http://slbkbs.org/yawg-prime.png at work so I don't confuse different accounts. < 1438554412 341437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more professional. < 1438554437 42947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1438554444 791364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION skeptical < 1438554460 127885 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't see why < 1438554466 65122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a really professional picture < 1438554490 591808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a bit spotty < 1438554501 919185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a yo dawg. < 1438554520 30206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah < 1438554524 370239 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I am going to go to bed now < 1438554546 372330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hi to the monster < 1438554660 48223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the monster quit a while back due to unworkable conditions < 1438554680 660923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1438554753 63977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really days tell me that I ought to tidy my room < 1438554795 824566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1438555067 332606 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438555264 505241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log wisdom/output | grep Summary < 1438555266 332236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438555274 348344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log wisdom/output < 1438555275 570654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 3516:086a7a03de20 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed Aug 28 21:11:30 2013 +0000 \ summary: touch wisdom/output < 1438555280 827610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log wisdom/output | grep summary < 1438555282 498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: touch wisdom/output < 1438555286 658538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1438555310 757458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/output < 1438555312 586138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438555324 111004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh. < 1438555357 364989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1438555365 68115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1438555380 955233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. clever < 1438555426 218163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of the wisdom is not `wisdom-compatible < 1438555480 918018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1438555494 614090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a trap set for oerjan that prints "No output." when you rm it. < 1438555497 780745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it also works with `? < 1438555537 80745 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits down and attempts not to explode < 1438555559 99262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: too much nitroglycerin? < 1438555608 915853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the nitroglycerin, governor? < 1438555898 76274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you're going boom or bust with your meme < 1438555927 118910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't call it that tdnh < 1438555959 312139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediocreme < 1438556488 299612 :rg_!~textual@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438556490 576814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why would I touch wisdom/output < 1438556533 110819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1438556536 630783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner < 1438556796 318564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shalomchaf < 1438556818 563842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why have i never thought of that one. < 1438556822 134007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have hth < 1438556841 916141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1438556864 378388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2014-06-30#225319oerjan < 1438557038 638142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been an impersonator < 1438557091 263305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imitatørjan < 1438557156 39162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1438557157 294376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? < 1438557162 905991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1438557164 221617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? < 1438557170 105887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438557171 510586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand/A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird. < 1438557176 642147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438557178 49117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom__________hoover/OK you got me there. < 1438557193 433288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? another non-`wisdom compatible one. < 1438557207 553945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1438557312 890338 :wqe23!~wqe23@2602:306:c5c1:f5e0:f00f:820b:c3f5:48ab JOIN :#esoteric < 1438557327 951479 :wqe23!~wqe23@2602:306:c5c1:f5e0:f00f:820b:c3f5:48ab PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1438557477 674488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for n in `seq 1 3`; do u="$(perl -e "print '_' x $n")"; echo -n "$n: "; \? phantom${u}hoover; done < 1438557479 201080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1: Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. \ 2: Phantom__Hoover can't decide what an appropriate number of underscores is. \ 3: Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself. < 1438557481 33939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for n in `seq 4 6`; do u="$(perl -e "print '_' x $n")"; echo -n "$n: "; \? phantom${u}hoover; done < 1438557482 465537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4: phantom____hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ 5: phantom_____hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ 6: phantom______hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438557485 823412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for n in `seq 7 9`; do u="$(perl -e "print '_' x $n")"; echo -n "$n: "; \? phantom${u}hoover; done < 1438557487 263870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7: It doesn't get any better than this. \ 8: phantom________hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ 9: phantom_________hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438557488 823987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for n in `seq 10 12`; do u="$(perl -e "print '_' x $n")"; echo -n "$n: "; \? phantom${u}hoover; done < 1438557490 733419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10: OK you got me there. \ 11: phantom___________hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ 12: phantom____________hoover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438557637 37626 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I have the characters from ASCII and Latin-1 < 1438557663 292790 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll take a break, then add Greek and Katakana < 1438557679 371813 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and all the DF characters < 1438557835 106579 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gotta get cp-437 as soon as possible < 1438557865 765977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you have those characters in what? < 1438557870 373945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are you making a font? < 1438557871 612163 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font < 1438557873 821667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1438557875 480912 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1438557889 37169 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on I'll screenshot < 1438557895 226059 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have all of cp-437 and iso-8859-1 in my font, those were in my original goal < 1438558002 263437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have all of iso-8859-2, cp-1252 (new version), cp-1250 (new version), and I think I also might have all of iso-8859-4, iso-8859-15, iso-8859-16 (which is actually covered by a union of the previous ones) but I'm not quite sure < 1438558040 538150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have glyphs for all the control characters in iso-8859-1, though those don't display in terminal windows :-) < 1438558055 533919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I only have a few of greek, and no Katakana < 1438558075 861819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the greek is very ugly, I added it only to see maths formulas a bit < 1438558141 141240 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/screen1.png < 1438558162 520116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do greek, make sure to be able to spell διάῤῥοια properly twh < 1438558222 142480 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I have all of latin-1 but not all of Windows-1252 < 1438558223 241664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that looks nice. can you also show a screenshot with some longer text in a natural language? < 1438558250 836288 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hold on I'll screenshot this < 1438558300 221946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that all printable cp-1252 characters shown? < 1438558316 269083 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/screen3.png < 1438558323 157731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this font looks nice < 1438558326 426917 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I'm apparently missing a lot < 1438558343 741734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice and of distinguishable characters < 1438558407 231997 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 has a stroke and 1 has a tick, the way I write them < 1438558448 389997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put up a sane screenshot of my font and link it < 1438558455 529734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently all I have is http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-cp437.png < 1438558504 345837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/stickfont-screenshot0.png of a different old font, one that's for crazy decorative headings rather than for body text) < 1438558508 842597 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a compromise by shrinking the capitals to make room for their accents < 1438558533 954146 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackboard bold, nice < 1438558674 777126 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438558685 214002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what should I put in the screenshot(s)? I'll certainly put http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/versw , then maybe http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/verst and its English original so there's English text too. But I also need some way to list many characters, such as all cp437 or all cp1250 etc. What encodings? Should I show literally all glyphs in unicode order? < 1438558711 584590 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438558717 483896 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438558736 101646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I might want to show some program code too. What's a good example of C code I can show? < 1438558755 152850 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have developed a spontaneous interest in quantum computing < 1438558763 403326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh dear < 1438558764 200644 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will now proceed to talk about it incessantly < 1438558770 450799 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438558781 878783 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I figure out how the hell quantum physics works < 1438558790 109579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix not < 1438558793 841447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1438558805 55035 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1438558806 514591 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend reading some books on the subject < 1438558821 367358 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not done so, however, so... < 1438558831 593598 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about it < 1438558837 771571 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out that this non-esolang I started designing a while back would be particularly useful in QC < 1438558857 28733 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can, effectively, _define_ kewords < 1438558859 951485 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like in haskell < 1438558861 919180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I don't think I like the "ð" in your font < 1438558883 39206 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one could make an easy operation for quantum logic gates < 1438558886 30739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not saying I know how to improve it < 1438558895 55584 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1438558898 775655 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is someone making a font? < 1438558920 717732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: this one looks more like a reversed delta to me < 1438558938 669811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i predict that your talk will not be able to stay coherent hth < 1438558944 601505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oren is, http://www.orenwatson.be/screen3.png http://www.orenwatson.be/screen1.png < 1438558961 729558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, that's a HORRIBLE pun < 1438559037 903674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows < 1438559097 437549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is "—" from your font or substituted? it looks too similar to "-" < 1438559143 98750 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should shorten my hyphen-minus < 1438559190 479296 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then it wouldn't look the same as my em-dash < 1438559233 327075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider "-" the most important (mostly because it occurs a lot in program code), so I don't make compromises about it. I have a bulge under "–" and two bulges under "—". "‐" is short but two pixels thick. < 1438559320 61506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have distinguishable glyphs for "‒" and "−" and "­" < 1438559349 285338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one think "-" should be long, but it's your choice of course. < 1438559381 426453 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438559411 129182 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm bumps would work < 1438559425 448516 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'll just change the height slightly < 1438559446 425518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I find your "¼½¾" hard to read. what if you made the slash thinner or removed it entirely to allow for the digits to be bigger? < 1438559474 905576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I also have a glyphs that's a hyphen with a dot over or under it, but I don't recall which character it was. Let me check. < 1438559531 967686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let type S = (Num n) => State n < 1438559532 790376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:156:21: < 1438559532 844588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expecting one more argument to ‘State n’ < 1438559532 898961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected a type, but ‘State n’ has kind ‘* -> *’ < 1438559550 854950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1438559565 992104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it wasn't the library type < 1438559576 18077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let type S = (Num n) => [n] < 1438559576 896274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:156:10: Warning: < 1438559577 20939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Variable ‘n’ is implicitly quantified due to a context < 1438559577 75239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use explicit forall syntax instead. < 1438559588 766889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's just a warning < 1438559601 301307 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.35.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438559605 165674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, I don't have just a glyph. maybe I had one in a previous version. < 1438559725 945670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could show all characters in my font in rows of 16 unicode characters, with the code before each row. that would identify each character (except possibly missing characters, which I'll have to mark somehow, maybe with a blue middle dot or something). < 1438559885 369457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'll figure this screenshot thing out later. Good night for now. < 1438559927 190644 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438559928 537336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And good luck with your font, oren. < 1438560117 18807 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1438560117 73233 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1438560606 173615 :rg_!~textual@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438560643 933205 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438560804 937122 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1438560831 336372 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438560867 765970 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438561007 598136 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438561097 23327 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438561258 90395 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438561505 429128 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438561727 529331 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438561947 89766 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438562058 674481 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438562477 328356 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438562725 512409 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438562772 720207 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438562807 156006 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438563292 815310 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438563877 454865 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438564016 151192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want a variant of the "fixed" font that is also including the DEC technical characters, and preferably also support for PC character set and PETSCII, and possibly also the Infocom character graphics < 1438564603 225977 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm JOIN :#esoteric < 1438565090 80924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind of Magic: the Gathering card: "At the beginning of each combat damage step, the active player chooses and taps a land he controls, and then if it is not your turn the active player draws a card." < 1438565317 569654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/taps a land/taps an untapped land/ < 1438565463 438519 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn MtG < 1438565631 362013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A real Magic: The Gathering card would say "a land he or she controls" < 1438565632 363488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ≥ 1 < 1438565633 558897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘≥’ < 1438565636 123771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1438565670 447898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes < 1438565721 732500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x → x) 1 < 1438565723 88157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1438565732 763940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure I follow that card. < 1438565742 955210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"active player" is the same as "the player whose turn it is", right? < 1438565782 524226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. For the card drawing effect, it must be your teammate or your opponent, but the other effect includes everyone (unless that player controls no untapped lands) < 1438565807 299213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the card helps everyone except you? < 1438565821 916319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be missing something. < 1438565822 373437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a card that lets you draw cad instead of opponent, then you will draw a card, but it still doesn't work during your own turn. < 1438565870 842446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have Underworld Dreams, then opponent will both draw a card and lose 1 life point. < 1438565998 399060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also donate it to allow you to draw a card, or steal such a card from opponent to prevent yourself from drawing a card.) < 1438566051 54049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drawing a card and losing a life is almost always beneficial for your opponent, isn't it? < 1438566077 706714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether there are any cards that have negative effects and require Donate to be useful. < 1438566096 208167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it depends on the circumstances, such as their current life points, how many cards remain in their library, and effects that depend on how many cards are in some player's hand. < 1438566149 527670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things like Demonic Pact. < 1438566536 155487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438566694 513378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can see that now too < 1438567283 892911 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have all of cp-437 < 1438567490 318551 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1438567524 339297 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later I'll go back and increase coverage to entire unicode blocks < 1438567792 991973 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438568065 88693 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438568159 975007 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438568282 340504 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LATIN EXTENDED A is done < 1438568347 349000 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait wat < 1438568376 733012 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok apparently there is Latin-1 then Latin-A then Latin-B. WTF < 1438568705 397692 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438569171 991551 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438569175 170438 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1438570930 699006 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438570951 327780 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438571099 171706 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwrpofycvgduplpy JOIN :#esoteric < 1438571661 964397 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438571826 534091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now on windows 10 < 1438571856 470276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a bit of a cognitive dissonance. i think i switched every single configuration toggle in the setup. < 1438571952 421450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sorts of toggles? < 1438571956 634994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the start menu is back. < 1438571990 732581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like it < 1438572025 186693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: everything suggesting sending information to microsoft and/or sharing data with/between apps < 1438572033 624837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. < 1438572037 415733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1438572103 462403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, IE seems replaced with something new and edgy, i wonder if i can find my tabs again... < 1438572314 413701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is unacceptable hm... < 1438572352 865041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1438572371 407294 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows should really come with a dessert menu < 1438572463 231606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There must be no space between the #` and the opening bracket character. (There may be the visual appearance of space for some double-wide characters, however, such as the corner quotes above.) < 1438572463 285935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1438572471 762184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's surprisingly acknowleding of Unicodeness < 1438572482 978645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm typing into putty is annoyingly slow < 1438572486 578800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think if Perl6 has any strengths at all, Unicode is looking like one < 1438572507 92463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking vararg handling might be another, but not sure yet < 1438572591 405136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok vim is still fast < 1438572864 656836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely suspect this upgrade was a mistake. oh well. < 1438572887 974351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've stopped being able to boot to Windows so I don't have to worry about this problem. < 1438572901 922703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more seriously, my touchpad driver menu has disappeared again and the usual method to fix it doesn't seem to be working. < 1438573187 466663 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH! now I have everything from the first 3 unicode blocks < 1438573229 360511 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now maybe I'll do Latin B < 1438573420 831301 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ʼn exist? < 1438573496 527659 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438573516 92265 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ʼn < 1438573533 217268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0149 LATIN SMALL LETTER N PRECEDED BY APOSTROPHE] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1438573564 329073 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438573605 597783 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438573718 792386 :codergeek42!~pgordon@2602:306:bc32:ada0:221:6aff:fe68:c87c JOIN :#esoteric < 1438573722 867319 :codergeek42!~pgordon@2602:306:bc32:ada0:221:6aff:fe68:c87c QUIT :Changing host < 1438573722 921450 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438573729 386437 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438573989 398097 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438574031 335909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the touchpad scroll actually works, but in the opposite direction. < 1438574049 855902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh no, they copied Apple on that evil change? < 1438574101 957629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume it's connected to the loss of my driver menu, which i've always sort of suspected competed with MS's setup < 1438574117 93218 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438574191 844155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that has been removed as not working in W10, in which case i guess i need to find the actual windows menu for it... < 1438574837 747866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if RC4 is ever going to die. < 1438574869 820801 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it *should*, but it's not already dead and there's attacks on it on the order of "individual researchers can do decryption on it in the span of a couple days". < 1438574913 366777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not always used for encryption though, and even if it is sometimes various improved versions are used < 1438574979 598341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found another typo in a Perl 6 design doc, someone else fixed < 1438575011 974340 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really bad for RNG use too -- the RC4 random bit stream can be identified and in some cases predicted. < 1438575086 816451 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worth noting that the "arc4random" function is not necessarily using the RC4 algorithm, contrary to the name. :) < 1438575243 640434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can work if you don't need it to be so unpredictable and that stuff. < 1438575272 542652 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you may as well use a Mersenne twister. < 1438575418 810122 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do Latin B next or complete the coverage of Greek? < 1438576353 321975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a touchpad upgrade download but it's horribly slow < 1438576386 411717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least it's progressing. shave -> < 1438576399 198687 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438576982 695884 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438577077 772803 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438577500 757276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And yes, an int1 can store only -1 or 0. I'm sure someone'll think of a use for it... < 1438577500 858592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1438577535 737708 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1438577616 82345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a 1-bit integer type in LLVM, although I think it is commonly consder unsigned < 1438577789 262506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"someone the other day made the mistake of saying the specs are specifications. I quickly corrected them of that nonsense; they're speculations." < 1438577881 260157 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of Windows 1252 is now supported < 1438577934 160752 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: perfectly usable for BASIC combined boolean-logical arithmetics. < 1438577961 885403 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438578016 80828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in BASIC, as well as in Forth, it is commonly use -1 for true and 0 for false, so that you don't need separate bitwise and logical AND and OR operators. Although, at least Forth has a 0= operator. < 1438578030 552748 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438580040 324964 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438580112 432108 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438580282 240447 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1438580310 311401 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438580399 959366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally scroll works in the right direction again. < 1438580519 772232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION optimistically checks out girl genius. hey it's already updated! < 1438580544 963842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make olist update twh < 1438580606 581250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, just used up that spell slot < 1438580662 685843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twhib < 1438580798 32482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the spot check, governor? < 1438582871 393981 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438585494 156975 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438586237 111000 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438586508 111722 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438586578 109616 :x1365C!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438586606 656747 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438586612 964241 :x16444!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438586760 620044 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1438586773 700524 :x16444!x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1438586826 93638 :x1365C!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438586850 643279 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438587188 899990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"„I know!”, a gemstone-fascinated person would say, „We can monkey-patch IO::Socket::INET”. And then we have two problems. " < 1438587381 127731 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1438588178 244644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: /Z/ZZ/ < 1438589583 282579 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwrpofycvgduplpy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1438589601 512037 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font now supports all the block elements < 1438589617 21240 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the geometric shapes < 1438589726 628219 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438589805 161411 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438589829 702283 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438589840 46566 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 NICK :hppavilion[1][0] < 1438589850 40205 :hppavilion[1][0]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NOW TWO DIMENSIONAL < 1438589853 720039 :hppavilion[1][0]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEAR MY WRATH < 1438589871 196427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still come across as kinda flat < 1438589947 357778 :hppavilion[1][0]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the audience boos Taneb < 1438590678 88937 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438590912 170413 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438590947 588699 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :750 characters! < 1438590975 655279 :hppavilion[1][0]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438591147 863299 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438591166 125492 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438591434 222845 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm done for today, i'll do more tomorrow < 1438591437 243958 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/neoletters.ttf < 1438591438 386856 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@5.29.31.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438591538 165359 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@5.29.31.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438591554 368349 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438591602 626763 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438591622 235144 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's an idea for an esoteric file system: < 1438591628 447695 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloom filter filesys < 1438591643 458380 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible for know for certain if a file exists < 1438591650 693586 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you can know for certain if it doesn't < 1438591870 460830 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be easy to find files with small identifiers but harder to find files with large ones < 1438591899 634165 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438592140 637279 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438592142 342758 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit firefox < 1438592152 178657 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone say anything while I was gone? < 1438592154 188565 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anway < 1438592160 326535 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloom Filter Filesys < 1438592170 985204 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only be certain if a file isn't in the system < 1438592186 200017 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the more files you have, the less certain you can be when it si < 1438592191 547407 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/si/is < 1438592347 665961 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438592388 961671 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 10 Solitaire has Ads. < 1438592390 545014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1438592399 48201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Don't worry, you can pay to get rid of them. < 1438592425 865550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, that's fair then. < 1438592428 738614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "freemium" operating system. < 1438592445 603127 :hooplavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438592456 54516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, this ad bullshit has to stop. < 1438592485 677415 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what a great way for a poor corporation to get money, though < 1438592530 76219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An ad-free internet would cost each user at least £140 a year – a sum that the vast majority of UK web users say they would never pay, according to new research. " < 1438592533 534418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call bullshit on that. < 1438592601 983569 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry < 1438592608 434404 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practically, where would the money go? To the ISP? Where would the ISP send that money? < 1438592633 7879 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pay-per-view internet? ;-; < 1438592636 290272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Websites could just use paypal or something. < 1438592642 930076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pay-per-view through micro-payment services < 1438592643 725258 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone will make a free and better version of Windows Solitare without ads because that's a humanitarian effort obviously < 1438592653 454740 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pay-per-view internet < 1438592655 758488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: There probably are already < 1438592660 639393 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NET NEUTRALITY ALERT < 1438592661 256357 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NET NEUTRALITY ALERT < 1438592667 270202 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP < 1438592676 531335 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NET NEUTRALITY ALERT < 1438592698 586418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1438592706 396312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :net neutrality doesn't prohibit you from collecting money. < 1438592711 560 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1438592716 941044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A youtube account will cost 10$ a year. < 1438592720 645209 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding < 1438592734 610566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd pay that. < 1438592736 49492 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there are already websites behind paywalls < 1438592742 612935 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not go all the way? < 1438592750 548283 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just use Adblock < 1438592759 74656 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And subscribe to Patreons and such < 1438592767 960538 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only for youtubers you actually like < 1438592808 726489 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean people in the UK are giving up £140 each year to ads? < 1438592826 990481 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Make that ~£200, after overheads.) < 1438592845 825678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they just calculated how much ad companies pay to show their ads. < 1438592854 886919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then divided that by the number of UK citizens < 1438592874 442291 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1438592882 351972 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much science < 1438592887 750948 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because no UK citizens use ad block, of course < 1438592902 403325 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the ads are either worth the expense (in which case the above is true) or they're not (in which case the number is meaningless) < 1438592921 14044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say if the ad companies pay that much money they are worth it < 1438592924 784547 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an assigned scientific variable called Ukc which stands for "Number of Citizens of the United Kindom of Great Britain and Blah Blah Blah" < 1438592934 322036 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True fact. < 1438592937 802585 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the ad companies aim for profit. < 1438592941 524913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1438592946 334950 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ad companies actually love adblock < 1438592951 596521 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that way < 1438592954 119276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will probably make more money than what they pay < 1438592961 330661 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't pay for users who would never click their ads < 1438592990 151390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet intentionally clicked on any ad < 1438593008 345430 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only google search results. < 1438593016 620625 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't click on ads becasue it is technologically impossible for me to do so :P < 1438593021 342504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be skewed as well... < 1438593035 684598 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's plausible that good analytics for an affluent country like the UK can be worth £200 per person per year) < 1438593043 782183 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)/./ < 1438593214 484732 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Bloom Filters < 1438593251 646389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard ad companies pay ad block money to not block them :) < 1438593265 14310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least that's still a conspiracy theory. < 1438593267 521993 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1438593273 722302 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ad Companies like adblock < 1438593278 154164 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think < 1438593295 536274 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is someone who uses adblock _ever_ going to click on an ad, even without adblock? < 1438593296 220291 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1438593328 406134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads-agreements < 1438593334 88980 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1438593337 231014 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acceptable ads < 1438593342 233377 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's one of those tricky "download now" ads < 1438593347 376038 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438593350 364107 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438593353 318911 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1438593359 886428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1438593364 822391 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Download Now" ad makers should be arrested < 1438593367 186925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get paid for the acceptable ads :) < 1438593381 266311 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And brutally, graphically executed in public < 1438593470 68776 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ad networks don't actually care about the minuscule expense of serving ads to users. They even use HTTPS now, so that the ads are harder to filter. < 1438593572 66734 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1438593646 34434 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Amusingly, those ads can now also take much longer to load, due to the TLS handshake.) < 1438593788 959152 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhi < 1438593807 602742 :shikhi!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1438593847 801769 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :hikhin < 1438593929 845096 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi shikhin < 1438593930 549658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shikhin. Hikhin. < 1438593960 717387 :hikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1438593963 976308 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1438594060 506534 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438594090 166136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :real time ad bidding < 1438594092 664375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real stuff < 1438594946 464317 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438596095 668174 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.33.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438596461 39245 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438596480 22331 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438596480 76671 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438596480 257252 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438596481 276639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438596481 433180 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1438596496 766224 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438596789 280248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1438597172 203430 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1438597468 352075 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438597725 298342 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438597744 309953 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438600139 180933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438600140 584786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hockey/Hockey < 1438600145 652168 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1438600155 285393 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very wisdommy. < 1438600255 956501 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn hockey/Hockey is okey, but parsley is gharsley. < 1438600261 115610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «hockey» < 1438600683 130580 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438601162 210209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438601163 456871 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :el camino real/There is no royal road to analytic geometry. < 1438601210 733173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. I expected Taneb to have invented it. < 1438601259 765802 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ABROGATED CHICKEN < 1438601468 272356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438601469 523201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c#/C Pound is Java's good twin. < 1438601474 714527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1438601487 774134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom Rust < 1438601489 402370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `wisdom/*Rust*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory < 1438601493 981128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Rust < 1438601494 929929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438601560 84338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438601854 343541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438601855 753447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant info/KHL?%y9vnkM_v46 $Tn`ʋxkH2gqH;!;2F(zإ2CmXW < 1438601868 222175 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1438601877 483781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : _o/ < 1438601877 586308 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     | < 1438601877 669293 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     |\ < 1438601885 118142 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Did You get a Level-Up and can increase Stats now? < 1438601889 962745 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hangman* < 1438601902 655778 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1438601907 584691 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had not seen the Backlog. B) < 1438602014 994500 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438602939 511836 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438603234 520430 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438603555 879374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fisdom < 1438603556 679594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fisdom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438603617 888523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn fisdom is the domination by the feder inspection station. < 1438603620 76093 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'fisdom': fisdom is the domination by the feder inspection station. < 1438603625 986119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn fisdom is the domination by the federal inspection station. < 1438603627 860522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'fisdom': fisdom is the domination by the federal inspection station. < 1438604238 392593 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how big is the RNN you've been training on the logs? < 1438604324 89664 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438604718 590903 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438604776 771505 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.33.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438604785 93787 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438605914 264252 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why would you want to do that? < 1438605914 470120 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: train goes soon. in a more or less anything at random in esoteric. no sir! < 1438606071 523514 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438606363 661013 :temp!3cf0ccc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.60.240.204.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438607020 761769 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438607025 410252 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1438607025 502836 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438607334 455573 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438607710 163494 :temp!3cf0ccc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.60.240.204.192 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438607758 550414 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438607925 463248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438608779 676533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438608840 774036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438609012 203691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: train to where? < 1438609012 670347 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: including baby fnord. if not, will you? i chat with people on the comittee that decided that i'm not i shall rape you into submission!!! < 1438609033 876212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rapes you into submission < 1438609039 944360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.. the.. f.... < 1438609083 747126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a RSO? < 1438609083 952960 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: he was banned from haskell over a year ago < 1438609084 7217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438609095 744257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438610224 354766 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438610388 381634 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438610995 250228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1438610995 342662 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1438611045 283879 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSO? < 1438611166 148308 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rape submission officer, presumably < 1438611215 329493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered sex offender < 1438611218 953179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1438611603 340574 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438611721 682235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which channel that gem is from. < 1438611749 640267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, #esoteric. Big surprise there. < 1438611794 626118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2008-06-04#204157GregorR < 1438611901 66493 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg fizzie < 1438611915 621757 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438612962 653595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The breakthrough is unlikely to see people losing their jobs to software-creating computers, Harman explains. "We want to free programmers from their shackles, not to make them redundant," he says. Instead, it will free programmers up from boring tasks." < 1438612967 257849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1438612967 362323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's complete bullshit < 1438613010 817621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every automation will eventually cause someone's job. < 1438613021 800479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to loose < 1438613093 700907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make something automatic, someone can't work the same hours he used to. < 1438613165 407644 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438613173 712139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something can be done more efficiently, you don't need as much workers < 1438613181 714275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you keep the same amount of workers, you need more work. < 1438613202 186870 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively < 1438613207 311170 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with increased productivity < 1438613214 760726 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can keep the same amount of workers < 1438613218 753654 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with less hours per < 1438613230 273910 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have them do elective/voluntary projects < 1438613231 590273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, which means less pay for the worker usually. < 1438613241 925102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they also pay you more per hour. < 1438613248 475353 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can thank the corporate tax and benefits system for that < 1438613258 974452 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why burn rates are high for small businesses < 1438613281 505253 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I mean benefits I mean the "employee "benefits"" < 1438613289 160955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically if your productivity is up, you should earn more < 1438613293 1175 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438613293 411133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you earn more, you can pay more < 1438613323 64751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general I think you will loose jobs. < 1438613323 376153 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that unions eat 30% employee income < 1438613337 165502 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and payroll taxes on top of beneifts, and employee taxes < 1438613354 726318 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bleeds money the more you make due to regression in the graduate taxes < 1438613384 134923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you make certain tasks so easy, they can be done by uneducated humans < 1438613390 119441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually make the more educated humans jobless < 1438613402 786298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the uneducated get more "factory jobs" :) < 1438613406 950706 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pay more, much like you can by raising the minimum wage, but that moves everyone on minimum wage to a new tax bracket where they get screwed < 1438613438 432489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a time where programming apps is 95% factory work where you just click things together < 1438613451 990239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other 5% writes modules the factory worker can put together :D < 1438613475 562043 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1438613565 8484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :put yeah, a lot of programming is just doing the same things over and over again < 1438613568 580717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly boring :) < 1438613578 499761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like writing UI for stuff < 1438613608 507679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be semi-auto-generatable from some existing source code or description < 1438613621 201490 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why pressing programming into math is helpful < 1438613687 813448 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Auto derivation, machine proofs, etc) < 1438613801 227232 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438613805 770885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll cost me my job. < 1438613817 394139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually < 1438613837 784242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the one that does these boring repetitive things < 1438613848 315167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you automate does I have nothing left to do. < 1438613850 555761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*those < 1438613899 182201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: IIRC, it's 3 layers, size 700. < 1438613918 639016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why one should be happy to have a boring job. Because boring pays. < 1438613986 543726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do research about how to make humans useless you should also do research what to do with the useless humans :P < 1438614133 399871 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438614135 303801 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438614572 935973 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438614582 755496 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438614673 725126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1438615011 394026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1438615851 461932 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come whenever I write haskell code I feel dirty? < 1438615877 826763 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are crazy < 1438615883 974125 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is pure beauty < 1438615947 319033 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I feel like my code isn't beauty enough < 1438616027 374163 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438616187 308909 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438616280 910345 :villain_sin!~endor.312@adsl-184-43-92-69.bgk.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438616429 399784 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438617019 560127 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.34.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438617218 562951 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438617313 660113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438618031 470659 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438618576 86516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438619209 480516 :villain_sin!~endor.312@adsl-184-43-92-69.bgk.bellsouth.net PART #esoteric :"c ya" < 1438620873 195802 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438623072 473151 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-240.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is a work of art, but you can still write ugly Haskell code:( < 1438623361 473470 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1438623377 617502 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438623470 672746 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438623720 477677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you're saying is that you can write (ugly (Haskell code)), but not ((ugly Haskell) code)? < 1438624119 119189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly Haskell is an esolang < 1438624131 808654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much the same way that compile-time C++ is < 1438624236 30499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahis523 < 1438624260 102615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make sense of the following Magic: The Gathering card that zzo38 proposed yesterday?: "At the beginning of each combat damage step, the active player chooses and taps an untapped land he or she controls, and then if it is not your turn the active player draws a card." < 1438624585 164957 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can < 1438624619 107105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When would it be a good idea to play? < 1438624635 657871 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1438624660 451816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that card is bad < 1438624693 540122 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy did I nuke my code directory < 1438624694 71470 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1438624713 991315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's templated in correctly, ", and then" should just be "." < 1438624726 643874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: restore from backup? < 1438624749 504326 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just wrote it today < 1438624755 726915 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no backup < 1438624758 279980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1438624763 899195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recovering a day of work isn't normally too bad < 1438624766 749497 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438624766 803798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the mechanical interpretation but not why you would ever play that card. < 1438624769 666720 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just annoying < 1438624798 926613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's zzo38, there probably isn't a reason < 1438624811 608278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's more interested in what is possible than what is useful < 1438624844 206290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past zzo38 suggested cards that I didn't understand the point of at first but did eventually. < 1438624851 642646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess this isn't one of those. < 1438624922 896924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I guess it wouldn't be so bad a card in Commander < 1438624938 843114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any card that lets everyone else draw cards tends to be good there because it makes people less inclined to kill you < 1438624987 748322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lets your teammates draw cards too, not only your opponents, is another thing. (That assumes you have any teammates) < 1438625103 779215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah right, it's probably a useful card in archenemy? howling mine effects are pretty good there < 1438625148 426950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are also various combos including Underworld Dreams, and if someone has cards with first strike then there are two combat damage steps < 1438625166 720345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howling Mine looks pretty odd with modern rules. < 1438625181 926666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I vaguely remember something about artifacts being tapped in the good old days. < 1438625203 546600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In old rules, abilities of tapped artifacts stop working (including poly artifacts) < 1438625240 990408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowling mine < 1438625302 966935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, when the rules changed so that tapping an artifact didn't blank its rules text any more < 1438625312 344293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some artifacts got erratad to say "as long as CARDNAME is untapped,…" < 1438625341 464927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also used to be able to tap artifacts without a {T} ability, or something like that? < 1438625356 685963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If they are mono artifacts, then you have to tap it to pay its activation cost < 1438625378 893401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no longer "mono artifacts", any one that requires tapping says {T} < 1438625542 87524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mono artifacts and poly artifacts were actually added in Alpha (and then removed later); before Alpha the type was just "artifact", the activation cost was listed next to the mana cost, and all activation costs required tapping unless it specified otherwise. < 1438625749 536328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the modern lands with only the mana symbol in the text box was actually the original way before Alpha was released. Mana costs originally had "3RR" meaning "three manas, at least two of which are red". < 1438625762 215975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Plains cards before Alpha had pictures of airplanes on them. < 1438625774 79326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that's a better system. < 1438625793 518874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even better is to take mana apart so that {R} is a linear combination of one colorless mana and one red. < 1438625809 294609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than one red mana. < 1438625864 791251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of a kind of "algebraic system" where it would be written as "2r+1" < 1438625873 377774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that system is actually better. < 1438625877 835152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what Prismata uses. < 1438625902 539100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prismata has five resources: gold, green, blue, red, and energy < 1438625915 55172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold and green persist past end of turn, the rest don't. < 1438625932 932657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually something costs some amount of gold and one or more of green, blue, red. < 1438625961 726170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was thinking of this system before I ever played Prismata. < 1438626003 73147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, if y'all're interested, I think I have a couple of beta invitation codes left. < 1438626011 812559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that'd get ugly when you get to mana with restrictions, such as the mana from the second ability of Sliver Hive < 1438626026 435403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, mtg has other things like that. < 1438626039 822801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has mana that gives a creature haste if it's used to cast it. < 1438626084 536568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I know of thing like that, I wouldn't use my system in Magic: the Gathering anyways; just idea for other kind of game to use something < 1438626102 797803 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ❎ < 1438626104 958254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+274E NEGATIVE SQUARED CROSS MARK \ UTF-8: e2 9d 8e UTF-16BE: 274e Decimal: ❎ \ ❎ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1438626118 697370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: eg. if a Forest produces a colorless mana and a green color, you can't spend the colorless mana to Imperiosaur, and the green color (together with some colorless mana produced by Sol Ring) to a Giant Growth < 1438626123 638829 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in Agora Nomic just voted ❎❎❎❎❎ a proposal. < 1438626129 259509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're intrinsically fused < 1438626182 270940 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that this vote is insufficiently clear to be effective. < 1438626194 300884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1438626207 534324 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to CFJ the eventual resolution < 1438626219 337450 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it matters, I probably will. < 1438626220 800725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some crazy mana magic in M:tG. The craziest is probably Celestial Dawn. < 1438626222 851234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think this system is good for representing Magic: The Gathering mana. < 1438626224 334985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I know those kind of thing, but that is different from my own idea < 1438626229 876280 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That vote could easily mean either FOR or AGAINST. < 1438626230 870035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think it might be good for another game. < 1438626256 716250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe < 1438626264 344268 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cross mark tends to mean "no", but a cross mark in a box tends to mean "this one". < 1438626288 292251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and False Dawn and Sunglasses of Urza. how do they even invent such cards outside of un-sets?) < 1438626307 652228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to even know how those combine) < 1438626399 406883 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438626437 296586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why don't they just stick to cards that change what mana is produced, like Naked Singularity, or cards that actually recolor mana, such as Orochi Leafcaller) < 1438626456 921613 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.7 Beta Build (2015/08/03)32 Bit < 1438626479 540861 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm thinking about tensor products of mana systems. < 1438626482 968306 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438626494 30321 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, there are six types of mana: colorless, white, blue, black, red, green. < 1438626513 970348 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mana pool always contains some natural number (including zero) of each of these types. < 1438626518 645783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1438626524 824207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the relevant rule is 609.4.) < 1438626528 871672 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some mana has additional characteristics attached < 1438626532 348339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: A natural number isn't enough, though. < 1438626543 18599 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, mana isn't necessarily fungible. < 1438626543 124930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because each individual mana can have additional jams. < 1438626551 805906 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as whether it's snow, any spending restrictions, and special effects < 1438626554 422715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you necessarily fungible < 1438626554 528864 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and impose limit on output size < 1438626557 87775 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty sure that under the tensor square of this system, each mana would simply have an ordered pair of these types. < 1438626581 265931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although technically none of that is intrinsic to the mana < 1438626603 456255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, I asked about how Imperiosaur works, as in, it checks the characteristics of the object that's produced the mana at what time (what the characteristics are when you pay, when the mana was produced, etc), but I don't remember the answer. < 1438626603 959357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the dual of a constraint? < 1438626608 290584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski suggested "endowment" once. < 1438626624 936050 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438626630 113658 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is not that the mana has the property "produced by basic land" < 1438626638 849974 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that the game rules look at the history of the mana to figure out what applies to it < 1438626650 304550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What is the effective difference here? < 1438626675 536340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, but when does the object have to be a basic land? what if the object changes to a basic land or to no longer a basic land by the time I pay with the mana? < 1438626687 748046 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. don't know that one off hand < 1438626697 493486 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same applies to snow mana < 1438626710 331937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's now two cards that change how mana empties from your mana pool. < 1438626719 347054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules should be written as a literate computer program in order to make it more clearly. < 1438626720 903069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be more, but they affected only mana burn, which doesn't exist now. < 1438626994 132531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I would do if I invented the card game, I think. If you don't understand some circumstance, put it into the computer and it will automatically calculate the answer. < 1438627566 919015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it can work even if you do not have a computer) < 1438627721 704948 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438627777 977513 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438627805 345254 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.34.168 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438627829 349967 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438627985 30993 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ledclqxtcckdbhjt JOIN :#esoteric < 1438628124 605949 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438628362 810597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I have a sorcery that says, "Tap target creature. You gain 1 life." < 1438628376 515304 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I cast this and gain 1 life from it if there are no creatures on the battlefield? < 1438628384 803598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no < 1438628407 390033 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this because it's impossible to cast a spell if it calls for a target and there isn't a legal one? < 1438628421 662797 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438628444 578221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there is no valid target < 1438628447 703234 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If Evil were Midichlorians, this moose would be equal to THREE Darth Vaders" < 1438628463 127538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an example for a card like that is Vicious Hunger. a more extreme example is Hex. < 1438628467 201902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it will work if there are creaturse but only tapped creatures in play, then you can target one that is already tapped, I think < 1438628494 907587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right < 1438628602 164608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some cards require tapping creatures as a _cost_ for an activated ability, such as Springleaf Drum, those helpfully say "tap an untapped" though I think just "tap" would work technically if it's in a cost < 1438628623 799581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because invalid actions are ignored, but invalid costs cannot be payed < 1438628631 408870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a cost then it has to be untapped at first < 1438628636 895626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, it looks like if you somehow had a card with no characteristics, and you cast it, it would essentially behave as a sorcery. < 1438628642 579462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But costs don't target anything < 1438628658 184643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An annoying thing about Magic: The Gathering is that some cards let you target zero or more things. < 1438628659 190752 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell only enters the battlefield upon resolution if it's an artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker. < 1438628685 893393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you target a nonzero number of things, and then they all become invalid targets, the whole spell fizzles. < 1438628692 395775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though you could have targeted nothing in the first place. < 1438628700 943951 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if its mana cost would be zero or unpayable. < 1438628702 108609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a scow interaction of rules if you ask. < 1438628712 855742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, I don't think so. I think it would behave as an enchantment. but I don't think you can get a card with no type in the stack in any way. you can only get cards with no types as permanents, or as hidden cards. < 1438628728 131156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why do you think it would behave as an enchantment? < 1438628737 220819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: as in, it would resolve < 1438628752 623503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I would have it come into play and do nothing < 1438628759 829529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rules don't seem to really specify < 1438628788 179631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well, probably the rules don't really say, but the rules do say that Sorceries and Instants can't enter the battlefield < 1438628790 392287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would try to come into play, and since it isn't an instant or sorcery, it would succeed, I think < 1438628812 594139 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rules do really say. < 1438628813 942750 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One moment. < 1438628849 143786 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :608.3. "If the object that’s resolving is a permanent spell, its resolution involves a single step (unless it’s an Aura). The spell card becomes a permanent and is put onto the battlefield under the control of the spell’s controller." < 1438628857 831767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I definitely think you can get typeless cards only as permanents (where you can do it by taking away types) or as hidden objects (cards in a library, hand, exiled face down, or just drawn while you're casting a spell) < 1438628893 989435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but I think the typeless permanents (which are actually possible) sort of make a precendent, < 1438628910 683476 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see an esolang that can physically manipulate reality < 1438628915 93767 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that too much to ask? < 1438628925 273228 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1438628928 561051 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1438628930 586499 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe. < 1438628940 950193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also note how all effects that copy spells specifically allow you to copy only sorceries and instants, and that nothing can add or remove sorcery or instant type on an object except by turning it face down or making it hidden or unhidden < 1438628959 149199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think rule 608.3 isn't really answering this strange question, because it doesn't tell you if it is a "permanent spell" or not < 1438628969 785799 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: typeless spells are by definition not permanent spells. < 1438628976 680664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the definition of "permanent spell", that is. < 1438628985 567833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, but you can't get such a spell so it's not a problem < 1438628988 592198 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the rules don't give a resolution effect for typeless cards, so my assumption would be that they don't have any resolution effect at all. < 1438629004 535288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: they'll fix the rules when there becomes a way to get such a spell < 1438629018 543297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I suppose they would just act like sorceries, since they would have to get discarded < 1438629022 980568 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: can you give me an example of how a typeless permanent would come about? < 1438629027 826769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly they would get exiled instead, I don't know? < 1438629068 396635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would have avoided these problems by writing the rules as a literate computer program < 1438629121 611840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a way is to temporarily animate an artifact with March of the Machines, make it no longer an artifact with Neurok Transmuter, then unanimate it by removing March of the Machines < 1438629140 319694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there's other ways involving taking away some type, but this is the easiest to see < 1438629148 815870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of them are significantly different < 1438629196 125673 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I think March of the Machines would mean that artifact lands are no longer lands. < 1438629224 163859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, there's a separate rule for "is an artifact creature" that makes it not so < 1438629227 164255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crazy < 1438629232 190358 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... weird. < 1438629242 703518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :205.1b (in some version of the rules) < 1438629248 426500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, #esoteric < 1438629251 284832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On leap years, February of the Machines < 1438629271 655634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah. < 1438629273 437637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up the card that can remove all supertypes and subtypes of a spell < 1438629297 979459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm... that would be strange. let me check what are all supertypes and subtypes these days. < 1438629325 423669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supertypes are: basic, legendary, ongoing, snow, and world. < 1438629363 166387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These include (but are not limited to): World, Legendary, Snow, Aura, and creature types. < 1438629392 584147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as planeswalker subtypes) < 1438629464 515839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtypes are: tons of creature types, a few dozen planeswalker types, three artifact types (Contraption, Equipment, Fortification), enchantment types (Aura, Curse, Shrine), land types (five basic land types plus currently Desert, Gate, Lair, Locus (hi land mirror thingy), Mine, Power-Plant (Urza-tron), Tower, Urza's), and spell types (Arcane and Trap). < 1438629469 797741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's exhaustive. < 1438629474 220816 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the simplest card that would just break the game. < 1438629480 399129 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Delete target rule." < 1438629487 631480 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty breaky. < 1438629488 333102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no it's not, there's also plane types. < 1438629490 6941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you cannot target rules < 1438629497 31294 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1438629498 566248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other than that, yes it break the game < 1438629530 783065 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438629547 91044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules don't make rules a valid target; a target can be a player, object, or zone, I think. < 1438629552 638044 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438629553 755872 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1438629564 648261 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, "Choose a rule and delete it." < 1438629589 564003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would break the game completely < 1438629600 331643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the simplest card that breaks the game is Little Girl I think < 1438629614 161311 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All cards become their own controllers." Except maybe cards can't be controllers. < 1438629664 438261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards can't control stuff, except with my variant rule where planeswalkers can control stuff other than planeswalkers or players. < 1438629675 583608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that breaks either the game or a card (the Chaos Confetti way) if you try to measure its Soul's Majesty < 1438629679 975286 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. < 1438629707 963607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really, there's tons of fun un-cards that break the rule in lots of interesting ways < 1438629714 213384 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Put all cards on the battlefield." < 1438629727 809718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play all cards as written. Ignore all errata." < 1438629737 7463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, was that an un-card? < 1438629739 285227 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438629739 339452 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1438629739 339517 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438629749 451151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. < 1438629760 622217 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe even better would be "Every card's flavor text is part of its rule text." < 1438629761 965260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, R&D's Secret Lair < 1438629776 207343 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I gotta go see about networking. < 1438629798 179508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea about the programming language to define the effect of the cards with. < 1438629798 899519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't see how that's simpler than Little Girl < 1438629846 190740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some stuff such as Chaos Confetti and "Choose a rule and delete it" are probably not possible to define with this programming language. < 1438629883 612282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Which programming language is this? < 1438629899 198069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to invent a programming language for something like Magic: The Gathering cards, but then I decided that it was too complicated. < 1438629905 966300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some that isn't quite invented yet < 1438629914 3277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see Chaos Confetti as really that bad, compared to some other un-cards < 1438629997 986706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's some un-cards where I'm not sure how bad they really are, like B.F.M. and S.N.O.T. < 1438630031 314662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do Chaos Confetti if it has explicit rule support, which would require a host function macro (the function does not actually have to be implemented, but you must be able to identify it) < 1438630108 655819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's two ugly parts of Chaos Confetti: the Chaos Orb part which requires manual dexterity and requires that nobody moves cards on the table after it's cast, and the Blacker part which requires to destroy the underlying card < 1438630144 439703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of those are bad from the perspective of what kind of game M:tG wants to be (Chaos Orb is banned), but they're not really that bad rules-wise I think < 1438630175 638899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, that is why I say, in order to implement with this programming language to make it mathematically defined, you must make a "external host function reference" < 1438630188 128161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they updated the Oracle text of un-cards. < 1438630226 833467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for the Chaos Orb part, yes. for the Blacker part, possibly no, if you implement ownership of cards in the same system as the rules, which can be done in MtgO < 1438630230 334255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hell NO! < 1438630246 157486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1438630251 898109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer that they deleted the Oracle text of many un-cards (keeping only the copy of the printed text); and update the Oracle text of the ones that can be use with normal game. < 1438630256 691386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though they are banned) < 1438630265 627653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the un-rules manager who puts out un-rules faqs and makes un-rulings of the highest levels is Marc Rosewater, and he's very bad with templating, so if they updated Oracle text, they'd be crazy bad < 1438630281 904434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so just no < 1438630289 121562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want them to say "enter the battlefield" instead of "come into play" and so on. < 1438630301 635711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why would _that_ help? < 1438630324 130266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For consistency with modern cards and rules. < 1438630339 643244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Actually for ownership of cards, well, it doesn't have to MtgO, just it is remove from the sideboard too, so you cannot use it in multiple game of the match. < 1438630372 809288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what happens with Blacker Lotus if you play a multi-game match and you tear it up in the first game? < 1438630377 806373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rule support for that function is still required though) < 1438630378 804098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't play a second game with a 59-card deck. < 1438630391 728226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Take a card from your sideboard to replace it. < 1438630398 890094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your sideboard is empty? < 1438630409 787235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I suppose you have to concede before the game is started < 1438630440 493318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it has to be more than the match. it's the whole tournament, because you often have to use the same deck and sideboard for the whole tournament of multiple matches. < 1438630462 610557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is that too, so you may have to concede the entire tournament < 1438630488 757167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Wouldn't your deck be restored to the original list of cards between matches? < 1438630508 749916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance at the beginning of a new match you can't sideboard, you have to start with the cards that were in your deck originally. < 1438630521 807608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that means that your whole deck resets, Blacker Lotuses included. < 1438630523 163609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm... < 1438630526 338661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on the tournament format I think < 1438630529 736022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you replace it with a basic land? < 1438630538 719572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some formats < 1438630586 442664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some Limited formats you do not have to register the deck, and in that case it is allowed to sideboard at the beginning of a new match, I think < 1438630609 191396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say replace it with a basic land in your deck or sideboard before the start of the next game or something < 1438630610 402946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unhinged lands are TG. < 1438630616 643334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but don't replace it during a game) < 1438630638 923512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hmm, I guess the same question might come up for ante cards. < 1438630655 164612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the ante cards are all banned because of that < 1438630670 775798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's a ruling for Un sets that after destroying blacker lotus, you get to continue with the 59-card deck < 1438630674 168785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's some rule about how to "play without ante" and what ante cards do in that case I think < 1438630680 244797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, they're banned, just like un-cards are < 1438630752 683626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's Advantageous Proclamation that shows the game rules can handle smaller decks, 60 cards in constructed (40 cards in limited, 100 cards in some formats) is just the default minimum < 1438630802 787384 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438630803 399763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, making a deck of 40 Blacker Lotuses, destroying them in the first game against an easy opponent, and then winning with a 20 card deck would be too easy, so the rules should stop that < 1438630825 12387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'd say you have to replace them with basic lands before starting the next game < 1438630852 983772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contract from Below is TG. < 1438630865 513221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should play with ante. < 1438630902 183652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopw < 1438630906 699650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should play without ante < 1438631253 602000 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438631503 689011 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438631752 58503 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/birkenfeld/rick < 1438631868 139245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can play with ante if you want to, returning the cards to whoever you borrowed them from after a match. If one player borrowed a deck from his opponent, then all cards you must give back to opponent afterward anyways. < 1438631893 573814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But before that you can compare the cards you start with, with the cards you end with, to make up a score < 1438632055 572130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a new kind of way to play with ante, even in Limited formats. You can also make it game/set/match so that card are sometimes return in the middle of a match too but not always < 1438632374 191101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I had made up the rules I would want them to be more mathematically elegant < 1438632401 826981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York's university challenge team are VERY good < 1438632446 529531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It sounds like you're not pro-ante. < 1438632488 491511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not. It's not a good mechanic, and the cards aren't good either. They're like old bad cards that make the game worse, sort of like Divine Intervention. < 1438632500 615659 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, are you advocating upping the ante < 1438632511 771682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ante simply isn't a good idea in M:tG. < 1438632521 85786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just wanted to say it because it sounded like "pro-anti". < 1438632544 980545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, English puns don't always work on me, I have partial resistance. < 1438632553 836042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough English to appreciate them. < 1438632600 283771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not perfect resistance, some of them do work quite well, such as the "bore" pun in http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1227.html < 1438632732 624828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cards should I put in my Bearer of the Heavens deck? < 1438632779 710114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Island < 1438632786 827026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swamp < 1438632794 265556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountain < 1438632796 374050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those cards < 1438632799 103835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only those cards < 1438632800 654841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure Island really fits. < 1438632800 711521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Reknit, Boar Umbra, etc < 1438632801 647837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it work < 1438632817 111754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: regenerate a few key permanents that let you kill the opponent when he's defenseless < 1438632821 229067 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those were the only cards I could remember) < 1438632821 901951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Regenerate? Why? < 1438632824 635784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make them indestructible, but that's harder < 1438632827 184622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1438632837 440492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other permanents, not the Bearer. < 1438632845 47378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had things like Boros Charm in my old deck. < 1438632859 587924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Bearer of the Heavens destroys most permanents, including lands, that can leave the opponent pretty defenseless if you prepare well < 1438632860 304678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which was made with Innistrad-and-onward cards.) < 1438632867 379627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's the idea. < 1438632892 358427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gift of Immortality has an interesting interaction with BotH. < 1438632911 767885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you may need some defense against cards like Unmake or Swords to Plowshares that exile Bearer of Heavens < 1438632914 907760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had Avacyn. < 1438632919 395715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bunch of reanimation cards. < 1438632936 134411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I guess there are a lot more of those in Modern. < 1438632939 312145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: plus I guess you need some tricks to accelerate into Bearer of the Heavens and some extra spells quickly enough < 1438632954 579425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old deck had a bunch of reanimation. < 1438632970 524346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Rescue from the Underworld, which works pretty well if you can get enough creatures for it. < 1438632988 264021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, you'll reanimate it rather than pay for it? that can work too < 1438633009 621342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work even better if you can put it to play for just one turn... can that be done these days? < 1438633016 887818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what format and what kind of environment is this? < 1438633039 650345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Modern on MTGO. < 1438633053 311909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "I think" < 1438633054 331063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The environment is all sorts of strange decks, probably not too competitive in general. < 1438633071 819765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably decide the format first, before you build the deck < 1438633078 56399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is Modern. < 1438633152 770968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really know much about pre-Innistrad Modern. < 1438633194 319908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what's in the ban list of Modern? is Darksteel Citadel allowed? < 1438633209 21177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IIRC darksteel citadel is allowed but not the other artifact lands < 1438633224 967900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Boros Charm? that sounds like a really good idea < 1438633278 601410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's apparently Terra Eternal < 1438633280 929423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1438633285 60305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work, it helps the opponent < 1438633286 623118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1438633291 705744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had Tymaret, the Murder King. < 1438633293 615859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick to Boros Charm and maybe some regeneration < 1438633304 701314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other things, I don't remember. < 1438633317 709999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reanimation card with Flashback. < 1438633324 923886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so what are the plans for getting Bearer of Heavens into play? how quickly do you want to do that? < 1438633337 921029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my previous deck it took a while. < 1438633341 514643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe Modern has more options. < 1438633465 720053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some red card that puts it onto the battlefield then destroys it < 1438633470 255819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sacrifices it < 1438633483 622671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember a card like that. < 1438633494 234987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it in the most recent set? < 1438633514 441888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm confusing it with the keyword ability that some cards have. < 1438633536 63681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evoke < 1438633563 963937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, could you use some card that lets you sacrifice your permanents as paying for dealing damage to the opponent? < 1438633588 3828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might be hard to do with your lands < 1438633590 515165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, assuming you can get it out onto the battlefield. < 1438633603 251006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misunderstood. < 1438633628 516003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would both let you fling your goats before you get everything destroyed, and sacrifice Bearer itself < 1438633637 932992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a card like that would be TG. < 1438633651 62575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it let you turn lands into damage. < 1438633658 815900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure, it can't be one card < 1438633665 879986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :animating all lands might not be worth < 1438633670 86976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean a bunch of flings, or something. < 1438633682 920170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could still fling your creatures, assuming you have some other creatures that are useful < 1438633687 304497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to put Gift of Immortality in just because it keeps destroying all permanents every turn. < 1438633698 273088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great. < 1438633716 191922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Goblin Bombardment < 1438633726 317189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you get to attack during all this? < 1438633728 361660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some others if you're willing to pay mana < 1438633743 609880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hmm, interesting. < 1438633747 175738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: During all what? < 1438633751 756211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the reanimation card with flashback is Dread Return, which is banned in Modern and one of the most important cards in top-tier decks in both Legacy and Vintage < 1438633755 352133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, _after_ the bearer dies, with some other creature you regenerate < 1438633758 827167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the recursive Gift of Immortality loop < 1438633766 12207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, attacking with the Bearer itself < 1438633778 245101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it enters the battlefield before the beginning of your turn. < 1438633804 974659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, not Dread Return. < 1438633810 170152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unburial Rites < 1438633820 41955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use Otherworldly Journey rather than regenerating creatures < 1438633847 479843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, Boros Charm sounds like the best < 1438633881 479406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if the opponent can't ever play anything that costs more than one mana, can't keep permanents around for a turn, and you get to attack every turn < 1438633892 248954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty much like a win to me unless they're running Erase or something similarly specific < 1438633908 427151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1438633965 736011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Dread Return sounds nice < 1438633999 476215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, probably not Dread Return < 1438634000 811988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1438634210 323384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are also creatures like Obzedat, Ghost Council. < 1438634212 870155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: try to search for existing deck lists with Bearer for ideas < 1438634222 776263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can do that. < 1438634256 245038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems most cards that put something into play for one turn are careful and _exile_ it < 1438634276 884154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some aren't, but they're harder to use, eg. Imprompty Raid < 1438634355 568556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the card I was thinking of was Flameshadow Conjuring. < 1438634357 946587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which exiles. < 1438634370 823841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it makes a copy anyway. < 1438634375 933148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely different. < 1438634385 448076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it costs tons of mana, but there's Kiki-Jiki which sacrifices a copy of your Bearer < 1438634406 728086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save the original by eg. regenerating it or journeying it, and then you attack with it < 1438634419 516163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :regenerating is better because you get to attack immediately < 1438634438 268443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course the regenerated one will just get Doom Bladed < 1438634442 617663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Kiki-Jiki also sacrifices it at end of turn, which means my opponent gets an extra turn before their permanents are destroyed. < 1438634479 616020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um what? no? < 1438634490 908327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they get an extra turn _after_ their permanents are destroyed, but before you get to attack < 1438634501 903990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is much less of a problem < 1438634507 361744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiki-Jiki sacrifices the copy of Bearer of the Heavens in the end step. < 1438634519 89237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So its ability only destroys everything in the next end step. < 1438634528 179144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1438634529 364146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1438634532 4245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1438634533 958027 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing a protocol called Extensible Internet Chat (XIC) :) < 1438634540 828192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're right < 1438634580 249202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC works fine, but OK you can try other stuff too < 1438634673 278692 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an open protocol that, in my imagination, would replace IRC as a better chat. Probably won't, but I'm allowed to dream :P < 1438634684 41344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreaming isn't allowed on IRC. < 1438634699 393895 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's designed to introduce the IRC interface to the newer generation < 1438634715 652752 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like IRC, but less complicated and allowing File Transfers and such < 1438634739 522572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Appears as TIKI < 1438634767 468230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Through the Breach which is like Kiki-Jiki < 1438634769 504507 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's utf8 < 1438634778 135376 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the world has non-english speakers in it < 1438634793 61119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Through the Breach is interesting. < 1438634798 681905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: IRC already allows file transfers < 1438634808 301184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in practice, getting a DCC through a firewall can be hard < 1438634809 772504 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really!? < 1438634811 852267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it has the same problems as Kiki-Jiki. expensive, works in enx of turn. < 1438634813 722563 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when!? < 1438634822 586472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has the same disadvantage as -- yes. < 1438634830 859816 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1438634834 528505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Since about 1991. < 1438634840 837076 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1438634851 572965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's expensive but it doesn't require a Bearer to be on the battlefield already. < 1438634854 958546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can argue on whether DCC is part of IRC. < 1438634858 99104 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well MY file transfers don't need anything more than the ability to encode a file to Base64 < 1438634871 569293 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because THAT'S a good idea :P < 1438634873 625006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: And CMC 5 isn't so bad. It's the same as an average reanimation spell. < 1438634885 664445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, just tunnel the file through a channel instead of a separate socket. it's ugly because you have to base-253 encode it and split it to lines and add headers before each line so it grows a lot, but still. < 1438634906 673975 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1438634909 727077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but now you need a way to put it to the battlefield, though that isn't too hard < 1438634914 710902 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly piece of crap < 1438634923 710121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ? < 1438634929 529913 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This protocol will, hopefully, be good < 1438634930 522198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is simple and powerful enough as it is, I think. Most other protocols (such as XMPP) and so on tend to be very complicated < 1438634936 600776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Through the Breach puts it from your hand onto the battlefield. < 1438634943 728187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/battlefield/graveyard/ < 1438634944 448031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1438634945 75534 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MUCH easier to implement < 1438634963 509854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't see any good reason why to base64 if you're *not* trying to put something through a legacy thing not designed for it. < 1438634983 120833 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1438634988 820731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: My old strategy was putting it in the graveyeard and reanimating it. < 1438634996 980780 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a newline problem when transmitting text files < 1438635002 641580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Faithless Looting and cards like that. < 1438635007 4075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that something that can work in Modern? < 1438635013 409138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably too slow. < 1438635022 177181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through the Breach is probably no worse than that strategy, though. < 1438635056 776646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An XDCC bot with an esolang-related file archive is something we're sorely missing, but it's maybe a decare or two too late for that. < 1438635070 849805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decare is like a decade, but it cares more. < 1438635073 44502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't this something that you _don't_ want to reanimate in turn 3, because then you won't have enough resources to keep stuff from getting destroyed, and your opponent will be able to recover better than you? < 1438635087 244444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1438635092 111153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how this should work < 1438635098 510932 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another reason I'm making this protocol: IRC has entered a declien < 1438635109 195807 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lost 60% of users from 2003 to 2014 < 1438635117 921858 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/declien/decline < 1438635123 311421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Reanimating it isn't so bad. You still have a 10/10 that your opponent doesn't want to destroy. < 1438635141 634412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe in Modern there's a lot more exile. < 1438635150 525615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myst III: Exile < 1438635151 352184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe < 1438635168 188441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he'll just chump block it forever < 1438635183 744805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, your opponent can bus. < 1438635209 385761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a terrible position, and as soon as you draw Boros Charm or Gift of Immortality or something you can use it. < 1438635236 24266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gift of Immortality? < 1438635249 363261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :had you mentioned that earlier and I missed it? < 1438635288 100218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's nice < 1438635306 548765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great. You get the Bearer back every turn. < 1438635478 732640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, really stupid question, what if you regenerate Barren Glory? nope, too many combo pieces, too much mana, too easy to disrupt. < 1438635500 784118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not to mention that you need a convoluted mess to regenerate an enchantment in the first place < 1438635518 100486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be easier to make it indestructable; I think there's a single card that does that < 1438635520 840525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: convoluted mess? isn't there like Reknit? let me check that < 1438635531 368369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reknit < 1438635535 224058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Target player chooses any number not greater than X, loses that much life, draws that many cards, and then exiles the top Y cards of his/her library where Y is X minus the chosen number." < 1438635536 517257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1438635553 27728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with overload) < 1438635563 823608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's an interesting strategy. < 1438635566 819314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: without overload, that's broken at XB and strictly worse than an existing card at XBB < 1438635573 397902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seems tricky to pull off. < 1438635601 968810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know that it is broken at XB but I was intending to be XBB, and with an overload ability too < 1438635609 324886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think it works. it needs like three cards and a ton of mana, and disrupted very easily by any destroyer or countere. at that point you should have won ages ago. < 1438635612 80130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at XBB overload 0 it still isn't very good, because you'd basically never overload it unless the opponent was low on life < 1438635618 580646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also like two colors or three < 1438635635 978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, two colors doesn't really matter if you have nine mana to spend a turn < 1438635636 24761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1438635637 762462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's two colors but so is Boros Charm or Gift of Immortality. < 1438635638 640602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you'd still prefer the existing XBB card because it would outright kill them < 1438635647 889488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, that's broken at XB (target yourself), and just pointless at XBB overload 0 < 1438635653 947446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think overload 0 is too low, it should be at least X < 1438635655 57978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if it was XBB overload draw a card ;-) < 1438635674 885307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: overloading the card actually makes it worse, though < 1438635676 444688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this with overload? < 1438635685 784434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :overload on what? < 1438635688 59773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because exiling the top X cards of your library is not a very major effect unless X is very large < 1438635707 602193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload draw a card? Maybe... < 1438635713 148926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your opponent gets some amount of "lose 1 life and draw a card" effects of their choice, which is normally a good ability < 1438635730 387340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which can't be used to kill them because they can choose not to take them < 1438635731 873695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unless X is very large < 1438635758 373165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that card would be better as "each player draws X cards and loses X life" for XB < 1438635764 780672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much simpler, too < 1438635777 20518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is another kind of card < 1438635778 715042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if X is very large, though, you don't bother overloading it, you just aim it at your opponent < 1438635792 847978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existing XBB card outright kills them in that situation < 1438635796 793369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I know < 1438635903 408869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, just Fireball them for 20 < 1438635952 71638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fireball is red card though < 1438635973 265561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they have a lot of life points, it isn't working < 1438635989 55702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want blue or black? < 1438635990 478063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, depending on the cube you are playing, some cards might not even be available < 1438636009 964515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnable Pact < 1438636012 255456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Clearly which card you choose depend on blue or black. < 1438636024 519878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have an oracle text and rules quoting bot on this channel? < 1438636028 281465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, red, green, white) < 1438636034 972665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on this channel, I think < 1438636046 435750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1438636074 272870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does HackEgo listen other than on this channel? < 1438636085 946913 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438636105 316883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still send private messages although I don't know if there are any other channels that it does. < 1438636119 393059 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it listens to private messages? that changes EVERYTHING < 1438636135 584755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1438636153 978740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any writes to filesystem made by private messages are still logged though, but as far as I know reads aren't logged. < 1438636166 288843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's no problem is messages are logged < 1438636200 397057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could upload a compressed oracle text database through private message in a few hours I think < 1438636208 340929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can it download straight from web? < 1438636308 101451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. But even the existing database they use some non-ASCII characters, and still includes reminder text, so for those reasons it isn't as good as it should be (actually there are some other problems with the text too) < 1438636358 136774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's the problem with non-ascii characters? < 1438636377 793272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more problem with flip cards and split cards and double-faced cards which they keep messing up inconsistently < 1438636426 457210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though my main problem is that I still haven't made my scripts work with the new new Gatherer, so my only source of up to date Oracle text is from Yawgatog's, which is actually quite consistent and fixes all the flip cards somehow < 1438636452 5767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix it but I'm lazy < 1438636459 333904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new new Gatherer is just very stupid < 1438636490 84614 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yawgatog maintains one < 1438636499 141058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do some of you download the full oracle text database from a source independent of yawgatog? < 1438636504 860842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, and that's my only source right now < 1438636531 517416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: before they created the new new Gatherer, I could use the new gatherer to download every card in a single page, and then parse it < 1438636550 676986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the new new gatherer allows that, but even if it does, I have to rewrite my scripts because they changed the format < 1438636570 469164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't shy away from downloading hundreds of pages, I do that all the time, but I'm not interested enough about M:tG to do it these days < 1438636572 211823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even Yawgatog's has reminder text and stuff. I would prefer the format: Always {} for symbols, ~ when the card name refers to "this card", and only ASCII characters. < 1438636594 56581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found a JSON version, which has the same problems. < 1438636597 968314 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438636621 29370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why "~" for "this card"? doesn't it already use {} for mana symbols and tap symbols, and [] for loyalty? < 1438636642 113965 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: reminder text is a part of the Oracle text < 1438636642 786491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if you do use the JSON version you can use a SQLite extension that I made up for reading JSON files < 1438636655 141379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall if they fixed flip cards, but I think they haven't < 1438636656 126223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes I know it is, but my opinion it shouldn't be < 1438636664 111073 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is not correct, because the card names do not use exclusively ASCII < 1438636692 173098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can translate the card names into ASCII in a standardized format < 1438636699 449462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you shouldn't need to < 1438636705 634439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out of the 20th century < 1438636767 328231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use ASCII when possible. < 1438636798 795648 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1438636802 874884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use UTF-8 when possible < 1438636827 925247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: exactly. Scéance; Æther Figment; Ærathi Berserker (probably the craziest one); Looter il-Kor (or is it Looter il-Kor?); Kongming, “Sleeping Dragon”; “Ach! Hans, Run!” < 1438636849 761194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the craziest is when flavor text contains unitalicized parts < 1438636857 601020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as emphasis < 1438636871 237139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I believe you are wrong, you should use ASCII when possible, also converting the italics to normal texts. < 1438636893 275702 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the italics I don't mind < 1438636893 932707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ASCII won't do then you can use UTF-8 and other formats, but you should try to use ASCII < 1438636896 22452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what would be the ascii for all of those card names above? < 1438636899 196661 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know why you would prefer ascii < 1438636905 434999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when ascii is demonstrably unfit for the task < 1438636932 569254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438636937 329468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace the ligature with "AE", the accented with no accents, quotation marks straight, and italic letters straightened. For foreign card names you should not use ASCII of course. < 1438637036 365513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun part of en- and il- is that they're printed in italic in text boxes everywhere and in title bars of modern frame cards, but as upright in title bars of old frames < 1438637062 245317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possible that it's not actually a significant part of the card name < 1438637129 14255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides en- and il-, what other cards get italicized text in their names? < 1438637175 946188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe a few Un-cards might, you should check < 1438637176 38606 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there is at least one < 1438637178 116429 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1438637178 725284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the italicization of en- and il- is probably a design detail you should ignore, like the black and white mana symbols in Mirrodin text boxes < 1438637197 405344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the italic has no rules significance, and you don't have to reproduce the italic when naming a card < 1438637228 927985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deck format I use requires that all card names are written in ASCII format, too < 1438637270 295185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They also must use the English names, even if you have foreign cards in your deck) < 1438637290 357401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the Gatherer doesn't show italic in the card name or card text in the Oracle text, which shows it probably doesn't matter < 1438637327 435357 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Erase (Not the Urza's Legacy One) < 1438637328 909360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you asciify Ærathi Berserker? with or without the Æ? < 1438637348 129494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: heh, yeah < 1438637351 864182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By replacing it with "AE" < 1438637352 204304 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the parenthetical typset smaller in the title box, but not the text box, and the name /Urza's Legacy/ italicized in the text box, but not the title box < 1438637369 148366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it is also case-insensitive, at least for unquoted text) < 1438637389 186910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, with AE? not with Ae or nothing? < 1438637389 873224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1438637393 525260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use AE < 1438637395 541755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ugly < 1438637399 128933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ae" is also valid, as it is case-insensitive. < 1438637435 209839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And actually "Ae" is what I have used, but it doesn't matter as it is defined to be case-insensitive) < 1438637447 337992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1438637454 40230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's Our Market Research < 1438637460 225605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: please < 1438637464 257647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :full names! < 1438637487 748997 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438637510 137313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah... the full name does fit in an irc line < 1438637512 657603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our Market Research Shows That Players Like Really Long Card Names So We Made this Card to Have the Absolute Longest Card Name Ever Elemental < 1438637841 761448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's at least one card with rules text so long it doesn't fit in a single irc line < 1438637843 414920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438637853 429434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bot would have to know how to split to multiple lines < 1438637863 544753 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, datatog does ;) < 1438637895 917407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dance of the Dead and Master of the Hunt have quite long texts < 1438637940 365191 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK Ice Cauldron still holds the record < 1438637962 709574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: probably depends on how you turn to character sequences < 1438637969 152193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shorter in my version < 1438637987 82769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you counting Oracle text or printed text? < 1438637989 867483 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle < 1438637995 87293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that making a RVTP server and RVTP client would help. (The server does not have to be SQLite, although it might be easier if it is. If the client is SQLite that probably also makes it easier) < 1438637999 68264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice Cauldron's oracle text is too long to be printed < 1438638001 441753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oracle, but in my old dump that's a bit reformatted < 1438638022 346153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Dance of the Dead's too probably < 1438638024 376865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Illusionary Mask's Oracle text is longer? < 1438638082 701752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But SQLite does not yet support virtual table modules that can read LIMIT and OFFSET clauses) < 1438638096 352542 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438638109 777582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my dump favors Dance of the Dead unfairly because I turn newlines to three characters < 1438638130 81495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dance of the Dead has three < 1438638137 697491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's old, I think Illu Mask has changed since < 1438638147 488308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably fair as far as space utilization on the card goes. < 1438638149 479500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you treat mana symbols and such might also change stuff < 1438638192 417663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice Cauldron may have changed since too < 1438638195 237600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1438638279 633791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Camouflage (which has remainder text) and Riftmarked Knight and Tombstone Stairwell are also somewhat long < 1438638285 898859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, old dump < 1438638321 950658 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438638531 969429 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438638639 478285 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/ZqytvO < 1438638923 348848 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438639077 591046 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438639085 924441 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438639437 536700 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust neuralnet (>(+)*20>(-)*6)*5(>)*6([(+)*0[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(++++++-)*4[-]]>)*5([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1 < 1438639451 58246 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for tswett_neuralnet: 6.6 < 1438639460 544380 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... how good is that? < 1438639498 624049 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, here it is. http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1438639501 956504 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's crap. < 1438639552 155229 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott! < 1438639559 40304 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. haven't seen jousting in a loooong time. < 1438639629 279332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1438639635 246686 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, growth2 and preparation both win the great majority of the time. There is no program that beats both. < 1438639665 188435 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what an interesting NN URL. < 1438639665 985080 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode: esolangs.org/list < 1438639680 728443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas! < 1438639749 292376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one's pretty interesting too: http://www./nick.com/8018/19/100/00621 < 1438639889 282154 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438639918 799772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly suspect that those aren't quite valid URLs... < 1438639919 342960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://ideone.com/ZqytvO <-- not that i particularly suspect you, but if you want people to visit your links, it's a good idea to speak enough to prove you're not a spammer < 1438639929 46837 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438639941 242107 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1438639953 403240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aelloarnus! < 1438639954 583997 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought it was weird and wanted to share it < 1438639961 761153 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1438639973 29271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i didn't notice you had spoken before i joined. < 1438639979 649623 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hullo boily < 1438639981 88731 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aearnus: isn't that the top link from /r/lolphp today? < 1438639995 727588 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :From today? Not sure, I was looking through all time < 1438640012 597147 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I used to hang around here under a different name, CrazyM4n < 1438640089 362690 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:CrazyM4n < 1438640102 209036 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like we never weren't there at the same time and/or spacetime combination. < 1438640144 280898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has such an incredibly stable idleness < 1438640153 34298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:CrazyM4n14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43679&oldid=41432 5* 03CrazyM4n 5* (+71) 10 < 1438640333 557064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aearnus: aha, welcome back < 1438640361 925112 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! :p < 1438640370 908804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a small formatting bug in the codu logs: the nickname field isn't _quite_ wide enough if someone maxes it out < 1438640396 65046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't happen that often, but happened today < 1438640433 263382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it line wraps < 1438640471 816722 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438640574 760213 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, when's the last time Gregor spoke? < 1438640601 302194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away < 1438640630 385919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 17 days whois gives _might_ be correct, or not. < 1438640734 457290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he changed nick on the 17th of july < 1438640771 364140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next day i nagged him about codu's clock, which has since been fixed < 1438640792 641733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no actual speaking was involved. < 1438640809 318868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cod u nag him again twh < 1438640827 775015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf. please be aware that that was a horrible pun. < 1438640858 573196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :halexandre < 1438640873 537233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pun was definitely fishy < 1438640896 628552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boihly < 1438640906 291115 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles shachaf and then oerjan on the rebound < 1438640981 870094 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a mapole a maypole? < 1438640993 328790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts this as a great success < 1438640999 564336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1438641000 834553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. < 1438641019 187977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be < 1438641047 658669 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then if you keep looking at the definitions, you end up getting thrown for a loop. < 1438641059 468830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spork and corkscrew would certainly be appropriate for festivities < 1438641091 424652 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever open up a café or something, I'm very tempted to call it “The Spork & Corkscrew”. < 1438641136 592260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, you wouldn't call it the Sporkscrew? < 1438641138 94537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it have a whistling moose figure < 1438641143 674863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that difficult to believe hth < 1438641177 769182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sporkscrews are hard to hold properly tdnh < 1438641317 725981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*acallit | xargs -1 \? < 1438641319 781786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs: invalid option -- '1' \ Usage: xargs [-0prtx] [--interactive] [--null] [-d|--delimiter=delim] \ [-E eof-str] [-e[eof-str]] [--eof[=eof-str]] \ [-L max-lines] [-l[max-lines]] [--max-lines[=max-lines]] \ [-I replace-str] [-i[replace-str]] [--replace[=replace-str]] \ [-n max-args] [--max-args=max-args] \ [-s < 1438641325 994008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1438641332 544502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*acallit | xargs -n 1 \? < 1438641333 711367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/thwackamacallit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ wisdom/whatchamacallit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438641339 214412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1438641378 522940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/*acallit < 1438641379 414822 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thwackamacallit is like a whatchamacallit, but more painful. See mapole. \ A whatchamacallit is like a thwackamacallit, but less painful. < 1438641402 987160 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably going to have to call the place with a French name: «La cuillourchette et le tire-bouchon») < 1438641404 48682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :verycursive < 1438641427 726933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, anybody know how to call a spork in French? < 1438641601 635992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuill%C3%A8re-fourchette hth < 1438641680 22064 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring :/ < 1438641698 543526 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer cuillourchette :D < 1438641819 701995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipedia's list, it appears that romance languages have portmanteauphobia < 1438641853 56150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORTMANTONS TOUTES LES CHOSES! < 1438641995 867121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i cannot recall a norwegian word for it, by analogy with swedish/icelandic it should be skjaffel < 1438642018 882270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is scared by the "skj" < 1438642033 638504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let it skjewer you < 1438642066 985082 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwackamacalls shachaf < 1438642097 290969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's pronounced approximately like english sh, although possibly more retroflex < 1438642138 163137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might depend a lot on dialect < 1438642188 523662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i mentioned earlier, wikipedia cannot agree with itself on which sh-like sound it is < 1438642201 428337 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still haven't been resolved yet? < 1438642218 909383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't bring it up < 1438642228 821769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not enough of a phonologist to make a decision < 1438642234 405653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oerjan doesn't like it when you bring up wikipedia issues to him hth < 1438642252 838277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's on 3 different articles < 1438642254 284019 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll unbring the issue then. < 1438642299 407114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it may differ between the dialects that have r-dental retroflex merging and those that have uvular r with no merging < 1438642326 338429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as "uvul r" < 1438642329 358717 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to saturate what passes as my brains with doubtful things and a good wash of ethylic liquefaction. < 1438642334 724638 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ... < 1438642346 192494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the former may or may not consistently pronounce "rs" as the same sound. i cannot quite convince myself whether or not my own dialect does.) < 1438642346 511193 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *THWACK* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1438642367 808687 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FUMIGATED CHICKEN < 1438642379 493655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to the difficulty of finding any minimal pairs between sj and rs < 1438642428 989439 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438642433 960213 :rg_!~rg_@mobile-107-107-61-88.mycingular.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438642443 10093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the former only happen at the beginning of syllables, except when used as a forced spelling on loanwords. the latter only happens at the end of syllables.) < 1438642448 387149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1438642521 13906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can there be a minimal pair involving two adjacent words/ < 1438642523 56232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait the first part isn't quite true < 1438642556 690085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, foo sjbar versus foors bar < 1438642574 888750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 keeps putting me in mind of lenses < 1438642627 668249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that was what i was trying to think of. Mosjøen vs. Morsjøen, except it's not really rs in the latter < 1438642670 502291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that might be as close as you get. and i cannot convince myself whether i really pronounce them differently. < 1438642707 181713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's also no convincing minimal pair between "t" and "ty" in Hungarian. the best I have is "Nagyatád" vs "nagyatyád" but I'm not sure the latter is a word < 1438642724 853489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1438642780 438122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically because "ty" is very rare < 1438642938 245916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading that h vs. ng also have no minimal pairs, possibly goes for both english and norwegian < 1438642968 800678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, in what language? < 1438642983 410013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because ng goes only before a g, but h never goes before a g? < 1438642985 586753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i just mentioned two hth < 1438643003 484309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because ng never starts a syllable and h always does < 1438643023 192226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there's some compound exception there too < 1438643079 2155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's how "h" works in English? ok < 1438643100 187446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well when actually pronounced < 1438643118 146012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea when "h" is actually pronounced in English. it seems random. < 1438643124 365451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1438643132 602779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it goes better for norwegian, then < 1438643144 905938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm quite sure "h" doesn't have to start a syllable in Hungarian (though it often does) < 1438643153 835850 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1438643211 70214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, a minimal pair between h and ng might be difficult still because you'd have to find a word with "hk" or "hg" which is somewhat rare < 1438643220 7784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't use it to form digraphs, either < 1438643239 350145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's especially rare if you don't want it in a boundary of a compound where it would be very hard to put an ng sound < 1438643243 293983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be impossible < 1438643308 522200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, "h" is used to form digraphs in Hungarian, namely "ch" and "kh" exclusively in borrowings (mostly from ancient Greek or German) and "th" (in old traditional fancy spelling of noble family names) < 1438643346 160894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we have that old fancy th too. (viz. Thue) < 1438643373 746060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though "ch" and "kh" appear only in borrowings but is permanent in the sense that it is kept forever no matter how hungarianized the borrowing becomes, so they're effectively real digraphs < 1438643387 934287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in normalized spelling, ch/kh -> k, anyway < 1438643402 737236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norwegian < 1438643432 960184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiropraktor < 1438643470 221923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"th" is not used productively, but kept in well-known old names including "Kossuth" and "Batthyány" < 1438643684 683422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "h" is supposedly silent in some words where it appears at the end of the syllable, but nobody knows which words they are, basically it's silent when it'd be hard to pronounce (or by tradition or something) but that differs for everyone < 1438643863 422236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahtthyány < 1438643875 269834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the random silent "h" is a rule made up by teachers to screw with students who have to learn it < 1438643885 552287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fahncy < 1438643941 628105 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438644065 427965 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we Anglophones have a lot of silent Hs? < 1438644133 385887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: supposedly yes, but at _start_ of words, where Hungarian doesn't have any < 1438644135 600382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing compared to gaelic < 1438644152 97560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems totally random < 1438644158 457666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "honor" has a silent "h" < 1438644173 968394 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1438644180 724931 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the word "herb". < 1438644182 429811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think English has crazier fahncy noble family names < 1438644182 815947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because it's mostly in words inherited from french < 1438644191 977420 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a Tree-based language < 1438644196 723273 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like a Stack-based language < 1438644200 743625 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WITH TREES < 1438644241 997901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has something for silent consonants at start of words, I never understood it < 1438644266 778628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows why < 1438644270 581816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Silent_initial_consonants has a partial list with written consonant clusters where the first letter is silent < 1438644291 701628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _those_ are at least consistent in that it either always happens for a letter pair or never < 1438644303 449818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial "h" is apparently random, or at least I don't know the logi < 1438644323 116072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic is that it's silent if it was borrowed from french that way hth < 1438644344 489716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the most famous English one is I think Featherstonehaugh < 1438644344 544120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might depend on _when_ it was borrowed, i guess. < 1438644359 569523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, and French has random logic for initial "h" too < 1438644402 321923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's because french lost it, regained it, then lost it again, or something? < 1438644432 261848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also "ch", which in French is pronounced as /S/ most of the time, but sometimes as /k/ when it's borrowed from greek or something. < 1438644460 197792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :English does that worse, because it has both "th" and "ch" which are sometimes pronounced as /t/ or /k/ when borrowed from greek < 1438644488 709448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "chthonic" is the absolute most riddiculous combination of all that < 1438644505 60512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gin and chthonic < 1438644562 102632 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438644569 1951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's pronounced with a /T/ or /kT/, not with a /t/ < 1438644593 459673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1438644597 577730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "th" is pronounced as a /t/ when it's borrowed from latin or french, not when it's borrowed from greek, or something < 1438644616 85867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas "ch" is pronounced as /k/ when it's borrowed from greek? < 1438644617 565285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1438644618 445729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know < 1438644626 761846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you just have to learn the individual words < 1438644656 872093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that greek changed its pronunciation from /t/ to /T/ < 1438644663 320342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might depend on time again < 1438644681 535952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, _aspirated_ /t/) < 1438644697 498510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is of course the usual for germanic languages < 1438644749 720236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not for hungarian afair < 1438644805 333257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(germanic sound change was /t/ -> /t^h/ and /t^h/ -> /T/) < 1438644825 622528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1438644862 653714 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eving < 1438644944 757430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/d/ -> /t^h/ and /t/ -> /T/, i mean < 1438644956 616974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimm%27s_law < 1438644991 778195 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :th in english is pronounced as a voiceless interdental fricative, except in a very limited set of words where it is voiced < 1438645002 516448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian since turned the /T/ back into /t^h/ < 1438645048 73790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some relevant words with the rarer pronunciation are: Thomas, echo, chameleon, chaos, character, chemistry, choir, cholera, chronic/chronicle/chronology/chronometer < 1438645066 799485 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the", "this", "their", "then", "there", "that" are all voiced < 1438645071 891421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes, if it had been voiced, /d/ or //, iirc < 1438645097 752002 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438645139 233236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't have any trouble with the ch ones, but i was pretty old until i fully realized the th exceptions even existed < 1438645153 837912 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fascinating < 1438645166 737436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: other, too < 1438645177 877274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether < 1438645182 770221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hither and dither < 1438645221 749620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :southern, northern, but not in south or north < 1438645222 67748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you probably pronounce "chronicles" with "ik" rather than "ike" < 1438645244 304060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wut < 1438645246 117657 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn;t it ik? < 1438645249 885883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's certainly how i pronounced it until i had to learn the english pronunciations of the books of the bible < 1438645286 220339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: argh wiktionary doesn't have the pronunciation of that < 1438645312 51431 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think that most english speakers say kron ik lls < 1438645326 433895 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ll is a sylabic L < 1438645333 147842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be among those english speakers < 1438645386 896718 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etymylocially it should be kron eek lls < 1438645404 687530 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from latin < 1438645453 497371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's not very convincing, you have to consider the great vowel shift < 1438645461 886225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are doing actual etymology < 1438645486 873709 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my oxford english dictionary has a short i < 1438645497 148714 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "chronicle" < 1438645503 940003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's how they pronounce it in oxford < 1438645516 56294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that google translate uses short i in its pronunciation < 1438645535 319964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=define:chronicle hth < 1438645535 640393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1438645573 863950 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me I need to add IPA to my font < 1438645575 639791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think is the probability that a random TM is universal as states and/or symbols goes to infinity? < 1438645589 469330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that define: doesn't work if you're using google with norwegian settings tdnh < 1438645611 61605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:chronicle hth < 1438645628 643218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1438645655 575097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well that's definitely not the "ike" sound < 1438645655 777293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have partially fixed my gopher service now; not all files are available yet, but the server works < 1438645661 798293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helped xtremely? < 1438645669 587301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i was pulling your leg < 1438645690 103989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the most common exceptions for "th"? besides Thomas, there's apparently Thames, Esther, Mathias, Mathilda, plus a few words where the th is apparently simply silent because Englishman are lazy to pronounce consonant clusters < 1438645692 485038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pulling my leg is scow tdnh < 1438645709 621734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Mathilda is some obsolate spelling of Matilda < 1438645718 775924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I went through the books of the bible and kept laughing at how ridiculous the translations to English were. < 1438645735 517601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if it was pronounced "chronicles" instead of "chronicles", I said. < 1438645750 163842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since then I've been pronouncing it that way. < 1438645761 29718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bionicles < 1438645772 114433 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438645778 543219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually my last sentence is the only thing I said on this topic that wasn't completely true.) < 1438645968 147954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only because you just hinted at implications rather than outright stating them, i guess < 1438646023 890576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might say that you were pulling your own leg < 1438646046 158214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too." < 1438646075 549601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did stop myself from typing that last part. < 1438646104 950659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. it's quote mitch hedberg hour. i approve. carry on. < 1438646179 755788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thyme hth < 1438646183 461954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dictionary too it says with the short sound < 1438646233 272452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The dictionary I have on my shelf is Webster though) < 1438646279 280247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't really know him so i cannot quote any more. btw i'm not sure of that probability, and it might be different for states and symbols... < 1438646300 873314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1438646304 400101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :states and symbols? < 1438646305 781387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thyme < 1438646306 909390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thyme itself is only an abstract approximation of oregano. < 1438646309 755053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Chu space hour? < 1438646317 63383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see above < 1438646317 475051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chu.stanford.edu/live/#7 < 1438646330 434989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chu spaces are TG. < 1438646332 705827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it is IV hour < 1438646343 972169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does IV mean 4? < 1438646347 293488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Almost is V hour) < 1438646352 856174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that it's XVI hour. < 1438646359 232698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it is < 1438646367 547640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost XVII hour. < 1438646385 528253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: got no intuition on it? < 1438646388 21511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't supposed to use more than 12 hours with roman numbers < 1438646429 569814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually for the clock hours it is IIII not IV for four o'clock) < 1438646444 648338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Got any Romans to back you up on that? < 1438646462 648625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1438646473 44648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I do not have. < 1438646505 20031 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually the romans used both spellings interchangeably throughout much of their reign < 1438646536 997228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's XX hour here) < 1438646547 274771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the clock it is IIII though < 1438646566 27128 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :prescriptivist < 1438646598 467414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my hunch is that it might be 1, _assuming_ there is no simple reason why a TM might always get stuck in a subgraph. < 1438646634 148897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose probabilty doesn't shrink to 0 as symbols and/or states grow. < 1438646690 50171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought 1 as well, because i was thinking that there should be a subgraph in which you COULD get stuck, given a particular encoding, which was universal < 1438646723 794263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an official answer (or at least 0, 1, or neither) < 1438646729 512087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1438646735 799959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1438646754 218171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a difficult question < 1438646764 295198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't expect an answer yet anyway < 1438646896 25642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: actually my hunch is a combination of both. if it's low, it might be _either_ from getting stuck in something small non-TC, or from getting lost in a large graph with no TC sub-component < 1438646935 772329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...you think it's zero? or you think those two things are both unlikely? < 1438646954 95493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that those two things are more than my brain can tackle at this time < 1438646969 579952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine too < 1438646972 438395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they depend on graph stuff < 1438647024 697559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and birthday-paradox things to ensure small subgraphs exist < 1438647050 256258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe even ramsey numbers. < 1438647079 189971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a pair o' docs, what's the likelihood that they share the same birthday? < 1438647089 287348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/365 < 1438647093 908516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the likelihood that they share different birthdays? < 1438647108 522855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how good friends they are < 1438647147 470060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good friends < 1438647161 360936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe they'll decide to share birthdays < 1438647173 576885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would if I were that good of a friend < 1438647188 141014 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438647204 643390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i might even swap birthdays with a random stranger just for kicks < 1438647206 98994 :rg_!~rg_@mobile-107-107-61-88.mycingular.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438647246 488203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they weren't friends, why would we call them a pair o' docs? < 1438647252 886418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they could be business partners or something < 1438647257 756852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, they're good friends < 1438647261 695535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cuddle a lot, too < 1438647308 142731 :rg_!~rg_@mobile-107-107-61-88.mycingular.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438647403 198237 :rg_!~rg_@mobile-107-107-61-88.mycingular.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438647671 756434 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1438647676 718236 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1438647921 259619 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok now I have most of IPA and all the Hebrew letters < 1438648114 126075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1438648118 780681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those look like < 1438648139 316229 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438648196 98659 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438648312 660117 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom from the neural net: < 1438648315 48201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:18:53: high on a subset of English instance policy? < 1438648334 425689 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I don't understand why subsets of English instance policy haven't been banned. They're a gateway drug. < 1438648356 139863 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tswett: Idling is zen. < 1438648363 970334 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1438648431 658400 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438648666 799436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you see my point about the logs? i think one more character width for the nickname might be nice < 1438648751 373761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it takes to make http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2015-08-03#085542hooplavilion1 not wrap < 1438648764 571203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1438648769 129664 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't wrap for me... < 1438648788 644872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's a small problem with `revert that could be fixed with a small patch. < 1438648826 255246 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just give me the patch then ;) < 1438648838 306694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think fizzie has it. < 1438648841 97118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just the last > for me, although for the above it wraps before the [0]> < 1438648882 706872 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which browser? < 1438648893 489490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 11 < 1438648920 725728 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's yer problem < 1438648936 387827 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it look in equally-useful Netscape Navigator 3? < 1438648948 997870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea, since i do not have that installed. < 1438648961 860408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1438648967 665873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke "microsoft products are scow"? < 1438648981 306986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could try with Microsoft Edge ith < 1438648987 19934 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "scow" is meant to be "shit", then yes? < 1438648987 483749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now _that's_ scow) < 1438649003 513890 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow (n): a wide-beamed sailing dinghy. < 1438649022 467817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is another meaning of the word < 1438649035 462317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example a garbage scow is a scow in that sense < 1438649093 238102 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be unusual to haul garbage on a dinghy. < 1438649099 8171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you also think Gregor is being uncooperative today tdnh < 1438649116 77809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_scow < 1438649117 53506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom < 1438649130 520546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trekcc.org/1e/cardimages/errata/Radioactive-Garbage-Scow.jpg < 1438649965 633809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ok after seeing width: 10em in your style sheet i'm now wondering how it ever displays as much as it _does_. clearly i don't understand css... < 1438650098 875356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one understands css hth < 1438650351 301401 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have all the IPA letters < 1438650397 941237 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what unicode block should I do next < 1438650411 790868 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(must be fixed-width) < 1438650803 995844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your hebrew letters like < 1438650987 515878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks IE feels zippier now after upgrading to windows 10. also dehibernation seems faster. < 1438651011 296304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good because yesterday other things seemed slow < 1438651060 674997 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hold on I'll get a screenshot < 1438651205 980277 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438651453 508252 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/pic.png < 1438651520 439603 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took some time because I had to write a program to output arbitrary unicode ranges in utf-8 first < 1438651611 109012 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh wow that font < 1438651618 549339 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you were working on < 1438651693 964690 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1438651715 921103 :Froox!~Frooxius@104.254.90.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438651783 113403 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ASCII, Latin-1, Latin-A, IPA, Hebrew, Greek, Cyrillic, Box Drawing, some Arrows and Math Symbols, all the Block Elements, and all the Geometric Shapes < 1438651801 23831 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren thats a movie hacker font right thete < 1438651803 197849 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1438651808 454750 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1438651833 196503 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I iz teh HAXXXORZ doesn't even look like a joke in this font < 1438651841 685492 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 👳👲 < 1438651842 783587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F473 MAN WITH TURBAN \ UTF-8: f0 9f 91 b3 UTF-16BE: d83ddc73 Decimal: 👳 \ 👳 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F472 MAN WITH GUA PI MAO \ UTF-8: f0 9f 91 b2 UTF-16BE: d83ddc72 Decimal: 👲 \ 👲 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1438651883 347187 :Froox!~Frooxius@104.254.90.203 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438651883 453208 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the Offensive Japanese Stereotype of Indian and Chinese < 1438651886 203752 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438651889 860767 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character < 1438651902 908548 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@104.254.90.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438652034 154672 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting another screenshot showing more of the coverage < 1438652118 872635 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/latin.png < 1438652142 783495 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that enough accents!!!?!?!?!!?!/ < 1438652219 872656 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does some crazy european language need Latin-B too < 1438652288 261577 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1438652528 210789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438652595 118805 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/greekipacyrnotdone.png < 1438652616 620384 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coverage of ipa is basically done, but greek and cyrillic need work < 1438652818 524534 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the next on my list is hankaku katakana < 1438652950 92956 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438653035 453534 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438653730 91786 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438653986 88858 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438654009 325276 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, have you guys used m4 before < 1438654056 42882 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall using it for... something... a long time ago < 1438654140 399133 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reloads youtube < 1438654146 671745 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1438654177 464607 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU BLEW IT UP, YOU MANIACS! < 1438654246 884617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's going in the wrong direction hth < 1438654259 78781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please draw RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE next < 1438654289 461513 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun < 1438654320 293931 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK, STOP RUINING EVERYTHING WITH TRANSPARENT BULLSHIT < 1438654364 910066 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT THE INTERNAT BACK THE WAY IT WAS IN 2002 < 1438654805 239524 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT PEOPLE KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEYARE < 1438654828 332966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yEs < 1438654842 291295 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my left aligned, white background courier new damnit! < 1438654962 958851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dammit < 1438655148 500034 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aearnus: that's the internet from 1994 about avtually < 1438655204 449454 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002 had CSS, it just didn't have all these pointless effects that hinder usablity < 1438655210 147808 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: although honestly, with nice spacing and alignment, that courier new website can look perfectly fine < 1438655269 878699 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One site that has kept its usablity, with no bullshit, all these years is newgrounds.com < 1438655270 90807 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only time I've ever used illiterate CSS (as I've taken to calling it) is when I made an icon wobble when you mouse over it on for fun < 1438655298 284292 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/on// < 1438655391 598611 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438655472 424725 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438655481 918131 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438655840 844237 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone on this channel who works for google: tell the youtube team to give me a "switch to the old player" button < 1438656019 241425 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: but that's flash < 1438656023 862600 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :And flash is eww < 1438656131 491098 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have html5 disabled. flash is great, it is mature < 1438656157 736815 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash has wroked fine for me since 1998 < 1438656190 272993 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MONSTER < 1438656198 196060 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF, OREN? < 1438656297 809193 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when it was always called Shockwave Flash < 1438656384 716871 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.swf files were a mainstay of animation and gaming throughout my adolescence. I won't hear anybody badmouth it! < 1438656410 465316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish this channel had a bit less yelling. < 1438656421 120818 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL YOUR WISH HAS BEEN GRANTED < 1438656424 631800 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438656428 447382 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done now < 1438656434 454526 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD YOU PREFER IT IF I YELL < 1438656458 772079 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP! Shockwave Flash! Table Layouts! IFrames! < 1438656510 903909 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438656538 602042 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was nothing wrong with any of those from a USER's point of view. But they must be replaces becuase some shitwizards decided for us. < 1438656561 523176 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1438656561 578156 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1438656597 417531 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main reason that SWF in particular is dying is because it's a pile of insecure crap that Adobe can't be assed to fix. < 1438656683 444611 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Table layouts and iframes are just out of vogue. They're still perfectly valid HTML. < 1438656684 654062 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP was OK < 1438656686 885220 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could solve it easily by having a user-whitelist of urls that embedded SWFs can come from. < 1438656703 61966 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and Firefox has it. < 1438656715 76255 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I whitelist Flash on: Youtube < 1438656738 425352 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have: Muffins < 1438656740 558247 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, Adobe is basically trying to kill SWF. < 1438656766 204983 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Officially it isn't, but they're only begrudgingly doing any sort of improvements on it. < 1438656779 341959 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should contribute to an effort to write a open-source swf player < 1438656816 5106 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming there is one < 1438656859 408211 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the furthest along one is Shumway, which is a Mozilla project. < 1438656864 762664 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1438656892 193902 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too busy to actually write code, but do they have a patreon on something? < 1438656895 971964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shumway's kinda neat in that it's actually implementing SWF on top of HTML5 and Javascript. < 1438656931 968753 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as SWF's I downloaded in 2007 still play < 1438656934 1827 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.o < 1438656936 516575 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kewlzez < 1438656959 543257 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is to get it to do just that. Basically passing SWFs to it instead of a plugin. < 1438656968 581556 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1438656982 121512 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ATM it does that, but it's not at all the default and such) < 1438657315 660027 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438657343 415639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other, better, goal is to kill swfs < 1438658055 4165 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438658175 681930 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :With fire? < 1438658335 106695 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438658540 562640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Homestuck will keep working? < 1438658596 328307 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, fuck this. I'm gonna watch my videos through vlc from now on, until youtube's player isn't shit < 1438658817 500254 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :show the fucking progress bar while the video is playing, assholes < 1438659100 544847 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do... < 1438659118 263659 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't, you have to keep moving your mouse < 1438659131 141393 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it disappears < 1438659161 453025 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the progress bar no longer shows the runtime. < 1438659188 582756 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in HTML5 anyway < 1438659214 887587 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I know how to disable that < 1438659282 175021 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about:config, you turn off webm < 1438659317 511655 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presto, the better, but still ruined, youtube flah player < 1438659361 668928 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438659477 725824 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438659671 828021 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID SOMEONE SAY TABLE LAYOUTS < 1438659824 32329 :TristanBomb!62b188e1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.177.136.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438659923 453005 :TristanBomb!62b188e1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.177.136.225 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438660278 522149 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.2 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438661507 895842 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... where can I get a big zipfile full of all the ceritficate authorities' pems < 1438661712 285227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Honest Achmed? < 1438661819 811615 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy to give you one containing all of them including mine if you give me a minute. < 1438661879 760775 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Honest pikhq's Certificate Authority! Certificates right away, no questions asked or your money back!" < 1438661898 83909 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@104.254.90.203 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438661962 938999 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438662028 208058 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438662044 205529 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438662058 550132 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure. See, this program doesn't let me specify not to verify the stupid https. < 1438662075 932807 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438662121 216112 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does let me specify one or more pems to use as authorities < 1438662164 459746 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I have all the authorities, then that should let me connect to the damn thing < 1438662238 675578 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security may allow freedom of speech, but all I want right now is the freedom to NOt be secure < 1438662264 96757 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What distro are you on? < 1438662288 109840 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :puppy linux. I am trying to use vlc to watch an internet stream < 1438662299 307205 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :They typically have trusted roots somewhere in /etc... < 1438662318 962610 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's made out of Ubuntu these days, isn't it? < 1438662332 757617 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/ssl/certs < 1438662357 193491 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an empty folder called /etc/ssl/certs. so now where do I download all the certs!?!?! < 1438662367 961904 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For fucks sake, it's empty?!? < 1438662375 282473 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... lol < 1438662414 877657 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I torrent the cets from somewhere maybe < 1438662516 215171 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I found some pem files but I probably need a few hundred since I don't know which one I need < 1438662663 609 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :googled torrent ssl certs .pem files doesn't give me anything. shit. back when I needed .dlls that would have given me everything I needed! < 1438662731 408657 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssl certs pem files collection rar did not give me a damn thing < 1438662830 300994 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh I found a command to download the certificate for any url < 1438662927 850450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that works the way I imagine that works, better not be MITMed when you do it < 1438662940 519223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although first-connect MITM is always a risk anyway < 1438662953 975795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for a different reason < 1438662973 960157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forcing http. But doing what you're doing can get you fake https) < 1438663151 732829 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake https, real https, I want my damn videos < 1438663319 106035 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this works. I first use the command to get the pem for the video link, then trust it directly with the vlc --http-ca < 1438663358 674483 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I see the right video, then I haven't been MITMed < 1438663450 85877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a few pixels are off < 1438663454 986260 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1438663466 994201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone has subtly altered your reality < 1438663470 427216 :Hooloovoo42!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be NICK :Hoolootwo < 1438663477 296818 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me < 1438663494 484809 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am controlling your videos < 1438663567 206589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want proper security you should agree the codes in person < 1438663632 412896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some webpages refuse to display without scripts on (sometimes to try to stop you from copying stuff to the clipboard or saving pictures or whatever), but Stylish can be used to fix this (the "Inspector" command can also be used to help with such thing) < 1438664464 987154 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I found a better mothod < 1438664504 787772 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take http://curl.haxx.se/ca/cacert.pem and put it in .local/share/vlc/ssl/certs/ < 1438664637 22508 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to remember where to find this megacert file in case I need it again < 1438664765 157126 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prntscr.com/80lpzg cinnamon is good(tm) < 1438664796 359872 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a DRM issue < 1438664811 312715 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a graphics card driver < 1438664947 602151 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM issue < 1438664961 95102 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :i illegally acquired my linux < 1438665106 806208 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct Rendering Manager < 1438665155 159900 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah lol < 1438665375 401124 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is, it's not cinnamon's fault unless it's doing something extraordinarily dumb < 1438665466 369970 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the vm it's running in for some reason or another < 1438665484 387848 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that sounds about right < 1438665709 932677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What window managers any of you people who use Linux are using, and is it with a desktop environment too? < 1438665950 138283 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using lightdm with mate < 1438666167 51375 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: using xfce but I rather dislike it because gtk2 is meh < 1438666231 296025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aearnus: Maybe you should change it? < 1438666247 842921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed the one that came with my computer and replaced it < 1438666384 542709 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ledclqxtcckdbhjt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1438667205 988539 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I installed xfce < 1438667208 113307 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to like it < 1438667216 957549 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was a while ago < 1438667224 73009 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bad, just not my favorite < 1438667303 282172 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have all the halfwidth katakana < 1438667625 364136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said because of gtk2, what way would you prefer? < 1438667641 312256 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well I'd like gtk3 support but w/e honestly < 1438667657 625341 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a WM that works well on a laptop < 1438667668 169232 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe even one that works well with a touchscreen) < 1438667678 821127 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438667837 994826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the difference of gtk2 with gtk3? < 1438667866 70784 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: gtk2 is just deprecated, that's all < 1438667932 575388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer Athena widgets < 1438668672 809274 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I'm trying MATE, LXDE, and IceWM < 1438668872 182474 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceWM crashed my laptop, promising < 1438668931 478390 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more tiling < 1438668948 296713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using i3-wm, so that is another thing to try (although I am not using all of the other programs that commonly come with it, just the window manager and a custom status bar) < 1438668961 299439 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am using herbstluft < 1438668982 490344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1438668990 463631 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tiling wm < 1438669018 947585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you have the other information of it? < 1438669081 798831 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a fan of tiling WMs < 1438669089 391895 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I should be, on my small screen space < 1438669099 982569 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any that have emacs-esq keybinds? < 1438669257 875196 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll try catwm https://github.com/pyknite/catwm < 1438669264 389205 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much nothing < 1438669466 524756 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, i'll also try pekwm, fluxbox, openbox, i3, and awesome < 1438669508 994255 :J_Phone!~J_WPhone@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438669520 125327 :J_Phone!~J_WPhone@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1438669562 802894 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herbstluft can make empty frames. that works a lot better for me than what i3 does < 1438669660 534662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used pek before switching to tiling < 1438669830 470022 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll try herbsluft too < 1438669912 549366 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, i really don't like icewm < 1438669914 640231 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one down < 1438670174 527596 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you won't like jwm then < 1438670258 193301 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :pekwm is okay, it doesn't use the system menu which is frustrating though < 1438670363 476754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just load programs with the xterm (except for the xterm itself I can push Win+Enter to load it), so no menu is needed < 1438670396 518828 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bad idea < 1438670425 898650 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluxbox is okay - better than pekwm, but it acts weird with my mouse < 1438670597 321757 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1438670680 836044 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it looks a little blurry on windows < 1438670715 239708 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prntscr.com/80mbc2 like, look at the @ sign < 1438670743 997215 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok wtf. That is some weird shit < 1438670764 215987 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on linux, it doesn't look like that... < 1438670831 159561 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fuse the page to an image for people who don't have CSS3 fonts turned on < 1438670909 210299 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really liking openbox < 1438670990 330300 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :i3 freezes on start, promising < 1438671049 911942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438671274 856590 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, right now, the listing is, from worst to best: icewm, fluxbox, pekwm, i3, openbox, lxde < 1438671576 67216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnird. < 1438671661 120092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. people doing "self-experiments" and try to live without a smartphone < 1438671662 664367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1438671693 998753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you can live without a smartphone. That's how we used to live 10 years ago. < 1438671715 13452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only few people died 10 years ago because they had no smartphone < 1438671737 328991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a smartphone < 1438671748 570206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a good person. < 1438671750 659658 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i guess you underestimate that < 1438671757 967041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: underestimate what? < 1438671781 450970 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go try it < 1438671792 891126 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes things a lot < 1438671804 907869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought my first smartphone not even a year ago < 1438671858 280801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I usually leave it at home when I leave the house. < 1438671870 321231 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo :p < 1438671881 122116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.. Smartphones are cool < 1438671883 814717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have nice features. < 1438671894 362087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the internet from the smartphone on your laptop < 1438671897 998386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is mainly why I bought it < 1438671898 107343 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it, it'd be bored to hell < 1438671911 742914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in my new flat room there was no internet. < 1438671915 430781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like touchscreen either < 1438671926 919560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bought it with an internet subscription mainly for that purpose :) < 1438671929 257559 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my laptop practically doesn't work without a power plug < 1438671968 326972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Smartphone has two good features < 1438671975 296493 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading manga on android is just so comfortable <3 < 1438671978 489233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile Hot Spot/Tethering and google maps < 1438671991 817024 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :navigation? < 1438671999 781738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing music < 1438672001 230327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google maps for navigation, yeah < 1438672005 356739 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatting < 1438672014 198255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a stereo for playing music :) < 1438672020 703721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a shitload of CDs < 1438672035 441253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't help you if you're not at home < 1438672047 64833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I listen to music if I'm not at home? < 1438672059 797124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to do that? :p < 1438672064 771259 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't you? < 1438672070 683195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1438672086 714747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm at work I can listen music on my workplace laptop + headphones < 1438672107 571347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm at home I can listen on my stereo < 1438672117 960451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing left is "when travelling from home to work" < 1438672127 888017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For music I have radio, CD, and computer. If I go to somewhere else, if they have radio then I can listen to the CBC radio. As it turns out I can also get music from my VCR, even when the TV is not turned on < 1438672164 213936 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png < 1438672174 482690 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is supposed to look like that < 1438672179 530755 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to hear music or podcasts while riding my bike, for example < 1438672204 369431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo < 1438672236 390015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the CBC radio isn't only music, anyways < 1438672300 22264 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah... smartphones are pretty practical. < 1438672321 500601 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two best DE's in my opinion are lxde < xfce < mate < 1438672325 739489 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a waste of tim < 1438672327 878060 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1438672336 304708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually take it with when doing parkour < 1438672344 226255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly so I can call someone if I happen to have an accident :) < 1438672450 790245 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use a dumbphone for that purpose < 1438672555 263287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1438672561 569291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case it gets stolen? < 1438672641 709665 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parkour sounds like asking for a broken screen < 1438672671 754007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cheaper in case it breaks during actions, it is less likely to break, the battery lasts way longer < 1438672712 231759 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what oren says < 1438672750 802822 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▂▃▄▅▆▇ < 1438672809 838295 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use those characters to make an animation module for ncurses vlc < 1438672881 521658 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should it do? < 1438672896 372637 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438672917 686895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of making a ncurses chess using the chess figures in unicode < 1438672920 410620 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like bars that go up and down to the music < 1438672932 470191 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438672938 561406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1438672942 388448 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438672972 21318 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to improve symbol support in my font < 1438672994 280400 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have chess only the four suits < 1438673088 399749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you keep it in a backpack. < 1438673096 753738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could make nice simulation games with unicode symbols < 1438673107 379191 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like sim city < 1438673112 198765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you just put down somewhere near. < 1438673120 67354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be pretty easy to steal. < 1438673154 43024 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so, in case of emergency yo crawl over rooftops to your backpack and call an ambulance? < 1438673182 555917 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438673199 778800 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438673603 533655 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :after extensive testing, i've concluded < 1438673606 981694 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i want to go back to xfce < 1438674242 347237 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be pretty much illegal to jump over someone else's rooftop < 1438674262 932867 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also most practitioners don't do rooftop things btw. < 1438674282 962912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also flat rooftops are rare in switzerland for example < 1438674343 804015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Parkour itself is somewhat in a gray area) < 1438674373 634916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically you're only allowed to train on your own or public property. < 1438674383 759667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or on someone else's with his permission) < 1438674421 312390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you will be frequently shooed away from public property by police or some government employee < 1438674446 70710 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438674453 104958 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438674467 551519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for insurance reasons < 1438674481 774813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you fall on someones property, the owner is accountable < 1438674490 810994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the government for public properties < 1438674609 43529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like some US cities have a general ban on doing parkour o_O < 1438674629 153686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Though no injuries have been reported, the city’s attorney is worried that someone will get hurt and the city will get sued." < 1438674640 914330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's number one reason they don't want you to train on public property. < 1438674908 199653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you obviously destroy public property < 1438674985 591013 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :handrails aren't usually designed to withstand too much horizontal force although thank god most are stable enough but in the long run you destroy them < 1438675199 465829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1438675231 813515 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have reached 1000 glyphs < 1438675822 328777 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438676178 435151 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438676547 608391 :Heyya!c4f871fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.196.248.113.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438676562 266265 :Heyya!c4f871fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.196.248.113.253 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438677308 597572 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677308 689378 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677309 213894 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677309 337803 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677309 446786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677309 501037 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677309 679555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677309 733960 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677310 300717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677310 459207 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438677385 920492 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 332879 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387254 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387322 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387341 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387373 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387404 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387420 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677455 387436 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438677479 348989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438677480 213175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1438677487 463729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you travel into a country < 1438677493 41075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and step on a landmine < 1438677495 882535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're fucked < 1438677499 224421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you survive < 1438677508 76584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :health insurance won't pay :) < 1438677515 825825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you glue the landmine to your foo < 1438677517 26249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1438677529 292722 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you get hurt during an earthquake < 1438677531 602277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't pay either < 1438677542 129618 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this health insurance or travel insurance < 1438677550 394867 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :health insurance < 1438677574 117848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also won't pay if a nuclear plant explodes < 1438677594 291812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't pay for damage caused by ionizing radiation < 1438677605 822348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about travel insurance < 1438677613 659014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1438677625 756617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that so you can get your money back if war breaks out in some country < 1438677649 649205 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you book a year in advance, you can insure yourself in case you actually can't go on that vacation for some important reason < 1438677706 71636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All travel insurances I've had have had a medical expenses component. < 1438677825 373355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1438677860 721400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think the obligotary health insurance doesn't pay for stuff that happens in a foreign country < 1438677865 1154 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go to countries with landmines < 1438677867 325361 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to visit a hospital there you're fucked < 1438677971 703960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The travel insurance provided by my employer also covers personal travel (and my wife, although only if she's travelling with me), but it's kind of limited to only cover medical/health stuff, not so much cancellation costs or lost luggage or that kind of stuff. < 1438678033 459907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you have a better insurance than just the obligatory one < 1438678053 460960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go missing on a hike and they have to search you you're fucked with the regular one :D < 1438678154 911706 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm NICK :Aearnus|IRCCloud < 1438678170 485349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438678171 622884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1438678217 750700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know this looks suspicious < 1438678248 688628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they list things under complementary insurances that should already be covered by the obligatory one. < 1438678397 905188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I hate this. < 1438678412 362409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a legal jungle and information is spread across miles! < 1438678572 336980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :law is good to fuck people over < 1438678579 541519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's totally asynchronous information < 1438678580 861211 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438678612 985401 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rely on people not knowing everything because they really don't know everything they should. < 1438678840 687553 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438678889 892454 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438678926 584967 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438678962 628476 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438679087 305789 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438679088 30333 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438679103 367033 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438679178 604551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/anti-social-behaviour-crime-and-police-bill < 1438679182 81515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1438679261 959954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that seems like it ought to be at least two different acts < 1438679462 123837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the actual law text anyway < 1438679477 70169 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 70 pages long documents with "impact assessments" "fact sheets" and stuff like that < 1438679490 419642 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/12/contents/enacted/data.htm < 1438679592 90659 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438679681 296119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1438679686 3896 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"surrender of property" < 1438679703 35728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can take away your smartphone for 48 hours :D < 1438679893 989608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conduct that has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person," < 1438679899 44209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very broad definition. < 1438679929 17091 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438679951 205417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't know how to define it otherwise < 1438680047 59689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "any person"? < 1438680049 63246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1438680050 191552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even me? < 1438680055 937266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is causing me alarm. < 1438680058 519119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and distress! < 1438680069 777486 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He invents weird things. < 1438680078 433754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, your accusation distresses and alarms me < 1438680095 517691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1438680099 942433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it first! < 1438680143 532823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't littering against the law anyway? < 1438680153 342680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean most of the stuff is probably already covered by some other law < 1438680166 764745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least here. Littering is illegal. < 1438680194 859018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are legally defined rest periods and things like that < 1438680237 554812 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure whether littering is illegal here < 1438680255 326998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than making such a broad law you could just make a few specific laws < 1438680263 188253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as prohibiting littering, prohibit noise after 10pm < 1438680346 533693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anti-social behaviour" is a common sight in the UK per-neighbourhood crime maps https://www.police.uk/ has. < 1438680350 819778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if teens go on a vandalism streak that surely is already covered by some "you may not damage an other one's property"-law < 1438680374 782475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1438680378 281562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Find your neighbourhood" < 1438680394 308553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gosforth and great park" < 1438680403 946682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :270 crimes this month < 1438680404 786377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1438680409 903429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. in may < 1438680414 175555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :270 crimes in may < 1438680423 247000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lags by a few months. < 1438680432 763437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bicycle theft (1): Includes the taking without consent or theft of a pedal cycle" < 1438680454 625186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 were anti-social behaviour < 1438680472 879532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 sex offences < 1438680479 685329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think I used to live in Gosforth < 1438680481 143047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of sex offences for a month though < 1438680485 649540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: me too < 1438680495 312904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in 1996 < 1438680497 948179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sex offences", IIRC, include things like domestic violence. < 1438680514 453350 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, the Gosforth in Newcastle that is < 1438680527 914789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's the one < 1438680531 358966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1438680543 520853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lived there for two weeks :p < 1438680606 578346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you realise that it is dangerously (25 miles) close to Hexham? < 1438680655 363481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that dangerous? < 1438680691 615600 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because one day you might go out for a drive and wind up in Hexham < 1438680708 233352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll ever be back in gosforth < 1438680715 320028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a two week language stay < 1438680742 72389 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I am in "York City and East" < 1438680755 150191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two weeks, and you're already sure you'll never be back? Must be a horrible place. < 1438680786 145570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, when I was very small my gran used to push me around Gosforth Park < 1438680818 778488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean I'm pretty certain I'll never leave switzerland ever again. < 1438680822 176282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1438680824 90728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows. < 1438680839 412111 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very unlikely that I wind up in Gosforth again < 1438680841 76340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't leave Switzerland for a very long time < 1438680852 893804 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largely because I am not in Switzerland and have little reason to visit < 1438680867 588373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've left Switzerland twice already. < 1438680876 436789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have Cities in Switzerland. < 1438680884 916469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like any other country :D < 1438680900 153904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think, eg, the Vatican has cities plural < 1438680907 941740 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438680924 391183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vatican isn't a real country *blasphemy* < 1438680939 684387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a huge crime rate < 1438680979 190350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the highest crime rate in the world < 1438681015 476128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a monarchy < 1438681042 30058 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/ < 1438681042 647528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the monarch is some guy that speaks to some other imaginative guy < 1438681070 145594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*imaginary guy < 1438681231 326107 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438683870 801947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Union-Find data structure is really interesting < 1438683883 220427 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jopp < 1438683885 218157 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438684173 486544 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438684473 302773 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438684769 364502 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438684836 24777 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438685103 31248 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438685135 442233 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438685685 111669 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438686149 994603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :final int i = Interpreter.builtins.get(s); < 1438686150 541061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1438686156 498108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can this throw nullpointerexception? < 1438686162 614784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1438686166 952898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto unboxing? < 1438686171 235561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1438686195 90264 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438686422 537692 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in java, everything can throw a nullpointer exception < 1438686438 892380 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438686540 303284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no < 1438686561 815186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you dereference a NullPointer < 1438686592 801837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :get() usually doesn't throw NullPointerException < 1438686607 832923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, unboxing a NullPointer will < 1438686792 984499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this java? < 1438686802 174317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438686820 382607 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438687975 927689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438688234 269243 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1438688609 688690 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438689233 92018 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438689408 395473 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438689702 385768 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438689795 311966 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438690329 567616 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438690358 630371 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning. < 1438690428 662018 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya < 1438691355 642102 :Froo!~Frooxius@50.141.34.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438691530 595571 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.34.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438692375 117327 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting quite adept at copypasting video links into VLC < 1438692440 765954 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438692691 315816 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438692771 92398 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438693313 892314 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like Latin B is mostly more IPA < 1438693484 22935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an internal error that's supposed to be really impossible < 1438693696 803724 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438694726 97555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "underdocumented" < 1438694732 676423 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or spellchecker < 1438694734 454944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or doesn't < 1438694775 860512 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438695031 986438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's probably set to some language other than English < 1438695047 539263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to recognize every word in this sentence < 1438695083 530684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suspect it is set to English, just is missing a few words, and counts ' as a wordbreak < 1438695300 457168 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438695402 93136 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438695506 648815 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438695526 705610 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438696631 434924 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438696785 350147 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438697380 162126 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom from the neural net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_crap < 1438698550 689770 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438698661 532132 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438698740 762515 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( filter [| fst == snd |] [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438698741 94408 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04(044204, 044204)04] : 12List 12(12Integer12, 12Integer12) < 1438698840 328830 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( filter (do !fst == 42) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438698840 439589 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't disambiguate since no name has a suitable type: < 1438698840 547291 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09Prelude.List.filter, 09Data.VectType.Vect.filter < 1438698855 207552 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( List.filter (do !fst == 42) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438698855 316678 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When checking an application of function 09Prelude.List.filter: < 1438698855 425903 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate since no name has a suitable type: < 1438698855 480177 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09Effects.>>=, 09BotPrelude.LiftEq.>>=, 09Prelude.Monad.>>= < 1438699281 422058 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438699305 961299 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438699407 181254 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438699491 315570 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438699532 299012 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438699725 329763 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438699827 667355 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438699848 315671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1438699931 722628 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438700697 20291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438700819 890955 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1438700837 938885 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438700855 137584 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( filter (do !fst == 42) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438700855 357027 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't disambiguate since no name has a suitable type: < 1438700855 465740 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09Prelude.List.filter, 09Data.VectType.Vect.filter < 1438700862 606475 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( List.filter (do !fst == 42) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438700862 865979 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When checking an application of function 09Prelude.List.filter: < 1438700862 920117 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate since no name has a suitable type: < 1438700862 974410 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09Effects.>>=, 09BotPrelude.LiftEq.>>=, 09Prelude.Monad.>>= < 1438700866 480498 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1438700895 412301 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( filter (do pure $ !fst == 42) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438700895 781693 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04(044204, 044204)04] : 12List 12(12Integer12, 12Integer12) < 1438700906 161202 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed. < 1438701092 246001 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438701155 542059 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why you are doing do in the first place < 1438701794 803465 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm … < 1438701800 718042 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( filter (pure $ !fst == 42) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438701800 924416 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't disambiguate since no name has a suitable type: < 1438701800 978779 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09Effects.>>=, 09BotPrelude.LiftEq.>>=, 09Prelude.Monad.>>= < 1438701819 157734 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I need it to anchor the !. < 1438701839 615243 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not (== 42).fst < 1438701847 417585 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, idris < 1438701848 494144 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I’m having fun. < 1438701849 347206 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1438701858 369411 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks too much like haskell < 1438701873 61783 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( filter ((==42) . fst) [(1,2), (5,7), (42,42), (1000,10000)] < 1438701873 472487 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04(044204, 044204)04] : 12List 12(12Integer12, 12Integer12) < 1438701885 388759 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works fine too. < 1438701905 692954 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't use monads < 1438701917 862115 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be a downside, depending on what you like < 1438701926 437426 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So anyway, with bang bindings the “do x” ≡ “x” rule no longer holds. < 1438702032 43747 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nice example is that “forever (putStrLn !getLine)” is a yes program, and “forever (do putStrLn !getLine)” is a cat program. < 1438702033 467835 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438702155 723434 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1438702373 415916 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [| sum / (cast . length) |] [1,4,6] < 1438702373 970172 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :043.6666666666666665 : 12Double < 1438702471 862335 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1438702477 103082 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I recently added the unwrapped reader monad to my BotPrelude, and am now having fun with ways to abuse it. < 1438702508 346264 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know idris :/ < 1438702541 388268 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[| |] are idiom brackets, which do an applicative application (they add pure and (<*>)). < 1438702588 124186 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So “[| sum / (cast . length) |]” desugars to “pure (/) <*> sum <*> (cast . length)”. < 1438703364 92644 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1438703849 943808 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438703849 998197 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1438703849 998265 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438704073 993725 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438704100 400210 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438704100 454706 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438704100 454766 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438704343 382323 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438704389 602206 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438704699 578149 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438704965 824709 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438705256 607832 :Froo!~Frooxius@50.141.34.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438707102 297881 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438707137 527585 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438707648 418698 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438707970 409998 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438708160 798463 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1438708701 772900 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438709167 567752 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438709259 780446 :Deedledoo_!~Deedledoo@ipservice-092-208-165-201.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438709279 928915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438709472 621663 :Deedledoo_!~Deedledoo@ipservice-092-208-165-201.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438709757 933092 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438710153 469301 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438710644 18100 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438710679 354742 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c52.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438710795 458214 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438711788 94704 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438712003 408777 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438712118 69969 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1438712137 326114 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438712197 909026 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438712713 762602 :shikhin_!~shikhin@59.177.207.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438712718 872350 :shikhin_!~shikhin@59.177.207.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1438712718 926773 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438712778 206635 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1438713068 585995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438714110 782642 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438714126 155545 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELO < 1438714131 700730 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo i need help with brainfuk < 1438714134 743562 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ? < 1438714137 138277 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asking! < 1438714142 289823 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoot < 1438714177 939629 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck on this site http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/impl/interp/i.html?b=&i=123&o= blocks in inf loop when i ,[>,-]<. < 1438714185 518293 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth it happens? < 1438714191 627082 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should not block < 1438714273 130346 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1438714284 726114 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You always switch to the next cell < 1438714289 97813 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1438714289 614003 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which starts at 0 < 1438714293 325090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop should end if you get ASCII 1 as input < 1438714293 429544 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if cell is zero < 1438714294 254942 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is then decremented < 1438714295 994510 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :to 255 < 1438714297 2060 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should leave < 1438714298 198034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you do ,- just before the end of the loop < 1438714308 789232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you haven't been giving any code 1 as input < 1438714308 891867 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i need to < 1438714313 802154 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you type in ASCII 1 < 1438714319 488120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: on most browsers, you can't < 1438714323 297625 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1438714323 351878 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is nan code < 1438714341 109137 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop ok i see you are going to help < 1438714341 572671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the implementation is an EOF == 0 one. < 1438714342 609249 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so happy < 1438714355 463240 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so basicly it should read < 1438714361 421597 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if no read than - < 1438714370 139243 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i - than zero stays zero ? < 1438714372 689010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what are you trying to do at a larger level < 1438714376 95410 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it goes up to 255 ? < 1438714393 345621 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to read chars untill i find char with value 10 < 1438714396 274132 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :than i stop < 1438714396 328438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding it hard to help because you seem to have a mental model of what's going wrong, but I don't know what that model is < 1438714401 79699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1438714416 830334 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like an engineer < 1438714426 883692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd want something like ,----------[>,----------] for the read loop < 1438714433 957230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to test for 10, you have to subtract 10 then test against 0 < 1438714452 277637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to do after you get your newline? (I'm assuming this is an implementation where newline = 10, it normally is) < 1438714468 51252 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :basicly go back and read last char i think i see the problem now < 1438714488 129443 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so <++++++++ < 1438714490 898381 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x+ < 1438714501 388938 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i seem to get what i was doing wrong < 1438714599 57660 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked guys < 1438714621 110581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1438714635 338246 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accualy had working code but i thought that if i decrement zero it stays zero so i did not make new line but simply assumed that at end of output it will stop < 1438714642 668228 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway big thx < 1438714721 852084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrementing zero gives you -1, which on many implementations is equivalent to 255 (implementations which work like that are called "8-bit wrapping") < 1438714744 611939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hardly any implementations adjust -1 to 0 < 1438715607 646204 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438716374 227723 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438716595 192494 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual brainfucks don’t have any runtime errors to speak of, do they? < 1438716615 117144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: < off the LHS of the tape is sometimes considered a runtime error < 1438716625 77505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in some implementations, it extends the tape to the left < 1438716630 518266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf < < 1438716645 884736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!test < 1438716645 939100 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1438716649 910625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf <,[.,]!test < 1438716649 964876 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1438716651 982045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1438716654 730656 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, there’s ones with non-bidirectionally-infinite tapes. < 1438716668 748916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 < < 1438716670 74016 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438716684 213070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 <+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1438716685 846891 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​! < 1438717954 143374 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why haven't I created that Haskell EDSL for brainfuck yet? < 1438718020 171754 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because I have lots of better things to do. < 1438718923 413975 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438719349 81145 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438719785 216102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. a free software source readme describes what you need to build from source. it says “a reasonable C compiler (gcc, Visual Studio, etc.)” < 1438719802 243113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they apparently count Visual Studio as a reasonable C compiler. < 1438719811 285175 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438719825 891774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say “a reasonable C compiler (gcc, etc.) or Visual Studio < 1438719827 420743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :” < 1438719833 966555 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92102.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438719925 411167 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438719929 996702 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implying < 1438720033 779772 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1438720334 911040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom from the neural net: < 1438720336 453720 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:59:42: CYUL 231320Z 07006KT ESCABON SCT069 BKN022 B00/27 M19/M09 Q1000 RMK SC1SC0AC2 SCT038 BKN042 14/04 Q1005 RMK SCT000 M02/M00 Q1096 RMK BIN019 SCT000 03/03 Q1020 RMK R00 NOSIG < 1438720366 454845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what do you find unreasonable about VS? < 1438720496 322828 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried using VS once and got it to go into some weird state where it was automatcially routing stdout to a file for no reason. < 1438720535 213309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VS has so much persistent configuration, it makes configuring it very hard < 1438720553 301944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the mechanism whereby you use command-line options every time (normally automated via shellscripts or makefiles) < 1438720791 775290 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438720901 384413 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1438721008 101117 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438722090 401104 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438722310 883779 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438722324 191293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have prefer to write something like "a C compiler (known to work with: GCC, Visual Studio)" < 1438722408 356908 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"requires: an unreasonable C compiler (must put empty cartons back in the freezer)" < 1438722465 93389 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438722472 389207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, that may be nicer < 1438723770 523809 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438724224 990559 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c52.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1438724230 494447 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92102.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: I started a joke, which started the whole world crying... < 1438724384 592846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438724650 360166 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438724894 320587 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438725132 175321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn I hate this. <-- clearly the only insurance worth having is one that insures you against not having the right insurances. < 1438725176 177915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman damn I hate this. <-- clearly the only insurance worth having is one that insures you against not having the right insurances. < 1438725176 232140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1438725198 462910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in this case, an insurance against swatting due to obnoxious idleness < 1438725333 914437 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1438725373 840513 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [| sum / (cast . length) |] < 1438725374 47771 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13r => < 1438725374 102058 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09prim__divFloat (09Prelude.List.List instance of Prelude.Foldable.Foldable, method foldr (\13meth => \13meth => 09prim__addFloat 13meth 13meth) 040.0 13r) < 1438725374 156401 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : (09prim__toFloatBigInt (09toIntegerNat (09length 13r))) : 12List 12Double -> 12Double < 1438725401 789070 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [| sum / (cast . length) |] [1,3,6,8] < 1438725402 241366 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :044.5 : 12Double < 1438725459 32163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :toFloatBigInt. < 1438725474 209800 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah … < 1438725487 219973 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prims sometimes have ridiculous names. < 1438725525 883859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's like (toFloat)(BigInt). < 1438725529 691688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can i buy swatting insurance twhib < 1438725539 24261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not (something else)to(FloatBigInt). < 1438725579 413276 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, only the float and string conversions are named like that. The ones among integertypes are {sext,zext,trunc}$typeA_$typeB . < 1438725630 636249 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for float and string you have {to,from}{Float,Str}$othertype . < 1438725703 953596 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1438725746 130105 :Filystyn!~piotr@031011212161.warszawa.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438725749 995668 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is related to the way they’re automatically generated; on the compiler-internal type there’s an algebraic data type representing these, and some constructors take IntTy or ArithTy arguments, and the float and string conversions are other constructors than the conversions among integers. < 1438725756 118803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn twhib/the world holds its breath < 1438725758 730493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «twhib» < 1438725806 560685 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, toIntegerNat is not a prim, and I can’t fathom the thought process that went into its name. < 1438726299 317009 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438726424 287433 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438726728 783708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyh < 1438726760 248231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't know, i'm not in the insurance business < 1438727057 728546 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438727294 848239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP contest starts in 2.5 days < 1438727296 972796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1438727298 390238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more < 1438727302 620735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2.6 days < 1438727438 273510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas! < 1438727455 544942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jello < 1438728323 354319 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438729399 258375 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438729400 855357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple/Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, therefore making it a class 6 vegetable. < 1438729411 136961 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chess < 1438729412 274218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation. < 1438729430 179964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide which one is my favourite. < 1438729538 521194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/therefore//' wisdom/pineapple < 1438729540 657315 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438729580 194873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf. < 1438729588 615173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think chess is better, don't you think so? < 1438729699 797481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEREAS, pineapple is a hybrid species descended from multiple ancestors; WHEREAS, these ancestors include spinach and wild ivy; NOW, THEREFORE, pineapple is declared to be a class 6 vegetable. < 1438729717 970860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what do you think about diplomacy twhib < 1438729725 740580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pineapple < 1438729726 667182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, making it a class 6 vegetable. < 1438729732 838214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oopse < 1438729747 818333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/ / /' wisdom/pineapple # thoerjan < 1438729750 598813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438729804 345846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were saved from a swat only by my network disconnecting hth < 1438729840 53979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A swat for forgetting to remove a space? < 1438729853 896711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm grumpy today hth < 1438729861 529290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the tyranny, governor? < 1438730313 831029 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of diplomacy? and wherefore so much hate for the there therefore? < 1438730349 885755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game < 1438730370 300865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know why oerjan is such a h8r hth < 1438730372 928876 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played, definitely in an advantageous position on my gaming checklist. < 1438730383 548066 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to ungrump oerjan < 1438730385 69125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyrannosaurus oerjan < 1438730397 64085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be windows 10 < 1438730403 365738 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applies ancient Chinese techniques on oerjan < 1438730412 94572 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*! he has updated? < 1438730436 277547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm playing diplomacy online with some folks < 1438730438 479531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm italy < 1438730444 3456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :any strategies? < 1438730448 430794 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeh... < 1438730456 426150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gghghghghbhg flblblblblblbl... < 1438730459 376793 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1438730461 991596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1438731131 654293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: betray everyone hth < 1438731285 330540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: actually, i don't see anything that's significantly more broken, once i got rid of that Edge thing. and it starts up much faster after hibernation. < 1438731331 348448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i had to redownload a touchpad driver < 1438731343 348911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was annoying, but it was annoying before anyway < 1438731352 17729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the hibernation, governor? < 1438731355 124238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never suspend-to-disk. < 1438731360 157756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some luck it will now work properly. < 1438731362 820207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it works. < 1438731379 541356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i do it all the time. also _ordinary_ reboot definitely got a bit slower now. < 1438731403 502215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(er my 2nd last comment was about the touchpad driver) < 1438731445 909930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had no problems with hibernation itself in a long time. maybe not since my previous laptop. < 1438731452 473086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You redownload your touchpad driver all the time? < 1438731474 31746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it had a tendency of dying on unsuspending < 1438731497 528067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that technically was a hibernation problem < 1438731529 103869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got less annoying when i found out how to reset it without rebooting. < 1438731600 389157 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438731601 905999 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-096-222.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438731756 992375 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438732747 536894 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438733282 585529 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438734355 364783 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438734391 123448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why haven't I created that Haskell EDSL for brainfuck yet? <-- because BF syntax and haskell syntax aren't very compatible hth < 1438734478 895112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think e.g. [>,] will ever parse as haskell < 1438734490 829061 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop (right `then` input) < 1438734499 803183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1438734506 832657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S CHEATING < 1438734555 85011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that should clearly be loop $ do right; input < 1438734613 205147 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438734713 651546 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya GeekDude < 1438734717 166036 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1438734905 264238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why make it a monad if every action returns () twhib < 1438734969 351764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twhib < 1438734970 378889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world holds its breath < 1438735019 518865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think ` just became a dead key in putty. let me see if that means they've started working in google... < 1438735034 276927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1438735244 836167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's possible gvim also treats ` more sanely now < 1438735300 643888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does *ib mean what i suspect it means twhib < 1438735323 260995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you suspect it means twhib < 1438735334 919758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be telling tdnhib < 1438735372 110978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say it it means just what you want it to mean hth < 1438735384 813191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thxib < 1438735418 577143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i believe"? < 1438735419 570329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually has two guesses but this one is funnier < 1438735427 845979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was a third < 1438735432 124820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a meaning for it earlier but I forgot. < 1438735450 600764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my boring guess was "i bet" < 1438735467 435376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1438735498 790337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUD -> < 1438735630 48722 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodeven < 1438735722 729169 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 1151 characters < 1438736060 531725 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438736135 777470 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438736183 189729 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. < 1438736394 780963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddeven < 1438736556 905092 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1438736660 388989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if gamma got reset to the wrong value < 1438736829 190475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438736879 533240 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamma? < 1438736890 982841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my screen, when updating to windows 10 < 1438736905 567473 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYYY < 1438736909 342690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was set back to 1.0, which is ridiculously dark < 1438736933 446218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could remember what value i put it at last time... < 1438736943 186089 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, why did you upgrade, didn't you read in the Register about how shit it is? < 1438737000 188228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, i'm pretty sure uk newspapers are no authority on shit < 1438737036 30410 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OBSERVATORY CHICKEN < 1438737081 221862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it shit btw, it is quite possible i disabled a lot of those things < 1438737119 526407 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It collects all your private data and sends it to the cloud < 1438737133 230551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything does that these days. < 1438737173 552873 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric < 1438737199 872653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sounds like most of the toggles i changed (i changed _all_ the toggles in the install setup) < 1438737222 227832 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. then you just have to worry about the next update changing them back < 1438737232 479755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1438737296 893258 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently bought a XP disk < 1438737355 942697 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna use it on my new laptop when I buy one < 1438737359 847254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the log discussion from last time i looked at the gamma, let's see if i was wise enough to mention the final settings < 1438737384 82160 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can dual boot Debian and Windows XP < 1438737407 54196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, i guess i should try the calibration site linked < 1438737460 203060 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some 32-bit games that don't work in Win7 < 1438737498 662809 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438737520 639346 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to tri-boot Win7, XP and Debian? < 1438737521 232921 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438737546 971454 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438737742 958093 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438737853 128542 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1438738761 621531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Skrundz 5* 10New user account < 1438739124 870148 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to post a long message on facebook, until I realized I should put it on my website instead < 1438739435 91822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes with R:1.3, G:1.3, B:1.2 < 1438739446 442656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks better, anyway < 1438739467 845909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to make it a monad if every action returns () just make a monoid instead. If you do need a monad you can then use it with a writer monad, to make the monad. < 1438739536 943288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god my eyes < 1438739559 120086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that test requires turning off the lights) < 1438739630 123817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with a laptop monitor is that it doesn't have half the settings that test suggests adjusting, and some of those it does have are software fakes. but at least it has gamma settings. < 1438739681 971124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr i concluded the same last time, and adjusted only the gamma. that sharpness thing looked horribly off though, but i see no setting for it. < 1438739701 817993 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never adjusted the gamma on anything < 1438739731 14434 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438739740 769412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: then you may or may not be getting a lousy view < 1438739762 346131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i adjusted it (both times) because dark pictures look too dark otherwise < 1438739792 456687 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far away should I be from the screen to adjutst it with these patterns < 1438739889 433909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it probably says somewhere, i didn't pay that much attention this time < 1438739913 830035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the settings menu is tremendously accurate < 1438739917 598369 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438739928 658867 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck now everything is almost white < 1438739964 707774 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438739968 889352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess something went wrong then < 1438740008 772651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw i used the patterns on http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php < 1438740025 806270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that windows has some patterns itself < 1438740037 530119 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something went worng alright. I'm putting it bakc the way it was. I can see dark images by tliting the screen anyway. < 1438740046 708218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1438740073 222368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to do the previous tests first, i sort of ended up ignoring them < 1438740103 672822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have no real contrast setting) < 1438740157 730778 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the defaults settings were basically perfect < 1438740196 949403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1438740223 370395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if you have a monitor which actually _supports_ the standards, it would do that... < 1438740327 930045 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it really depends on the vertical angle < 1438740330 475604 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a laptop monitor from 2006. I dunno < 1438740331 506041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my gamma adjustment was just with 2-3 points from the default. < 1438740331 718252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make it have any value I want < 1438740343 672034 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438740375 558176 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438740379 940185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's about as old as that site is... < 1438740399 578545 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make unsorting algorithms... < 1438740400 3288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably physics hasn't changed much in that time. < 1438740446 494658 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438740449 718768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` yes | nl | head -10 | shuf < 1438740450 510434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 9 y \ 4 y \ 7 y \ 6 y \ 1 y \ 10 y \ 2 y \ 8 y \ 5 y \ 3 y < 1438740471 618693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: aka shuffle hth < 1438740502 372551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by < 1438740590 322687 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. Shuffle, but we care about time complexity < 1438740591 882328 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1438740630 415595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: fisher-yates is O(n) hth < 1438740827 324970 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but can we reduce time complexity in line with reducing possible permutions? < 1438740926 550133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by more than a small constant < 1438740946 375414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1438740958 780331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean by making it _not_ a perfect shuffle? < 1438741160 177888 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438741183 952511 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438741230 776853 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1438741234 406961 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again < 1438741253 86764 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd just be a sorting algorithm with a non-traditional issorted() < 1438741423 625864 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about making n^0.75 swaps? < 1438741612 202758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 keeps putting me in mind of lenses, though it's missing things < 1438741626 269679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think it's missing things, I feel not well-versed in lenses to say for sure < 1438741638 310027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More that... it allows for similar expressivity < 1438741742 344881 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or n^(some constant near 1) anyway < 1438741899 653590 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have some ζ near 1. perform fisher-yates shuffle but skip some steps so that you only perform N^ζ swaps. For example, skip at 1/(N-N^ζ) intervals. < 1438741939 264485 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you a continuous range of worse and worse shuffles < 1438742546 302723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438742637 603044 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438743274 2149 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An amusing consequence of O notation < 1438743368 679198 :hppavilion1!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438743373 924186 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm, 'skip n random swaps from fisher-yates shuffle' seems to have worse time complexity than fisher yates itself. < 1438743403 568195 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an amusing consequence of the way time complexity is defined rather < 1438743500 65836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DM has told me that I am the only person he knows who will win the Dungeons&Dragons game by administrative chaos. < 1438743569 470286 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :administrative chaos ッテ ナニ? < 1438744613 567644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not exactly sure really how he means, but it may be explained by examples, perhaps. It does seem to me, that is how you win the war, you win the war by administrative chaos; fighting might not help so much. < 1438744887 212566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they say, the pen is mightier than the sword. < 1438744958 659805 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1197 characters. All Latin-B, Number Forms. < 1438745021 943974 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see. that's roleplaying! < 1438745564 600471 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what maniacs go around putting cedillas on E's?! < 1438745580 546915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? Maybe it depend what language you are writing < 1438745595 58487 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1438746635 10015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stream14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43680&oldid=43597 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10/* Nonstandard Streams */ Corrected "roll" to "role" < 1438746731 739298 :hppavilion1!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think "stdyay" should be a standard stream < 1438746740 45332 :hppavilion1!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe "stdaids" < 1438746741 111448 :hppavilion1!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438746848 170492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: poles hthib < 1438746850 55463 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1249 < 1438746878 708718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's nasalized) < 1438746883 730530 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that figures. < 1438746944 360294 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the names of poles I know, they stick random shit on all their letters < 1438746978 959373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stream14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43681&oldid=43680 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+102) 10/* #Esoteric Extended Standard Streams */ Clarified STDYAYIN usages < 1438746987 186845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :has zzo38 been watching Brazil? < 1438747152 529286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brazil? I don't live at Brazil. < 1438747156 817394 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438747206 586280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the secret meaning twhib < 1438747251 210557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might help in norway too < 1438747264 678062 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to change my legal name to a Zalgo version of itself < 1438747296 263022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that "zalgo" thing has a fixed point. < 1438747496 301039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fixed point is when all the universe has been absorbed into it hth < 1438747542 780780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or converted to it < 1438747579 90904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ib stand for < 1438747817 821639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43682&oldid=40286 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+314) 10 < 1438747864 890060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43683&oldid=43682 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+38) 10/* Cleanup */ < 1438747880 446968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43684&oldid=43683 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+2) 10/* BF Constants Cleanup */ < 1438747980 112915 :Aearnus|IRCCloud!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm NICK :Aearnus_ < 1438748033 118727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43685&oldid=43678 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-59) 10Rdebath finished this task < 1438748189 928031 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unlambda14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43686&oldid=41015 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+70) 10/* Palindromes */ < 1438748621 81288 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now cover a continuous range from U+A0 to U+2AF < 1438748845 392904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hint: fortune cookies < 1438748853 575595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438748875 631619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1438748876 374110 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438748916 628962 :hppavilion1!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438748976 928877 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ȠȡȢȣȤȥȦȧȨȩȪȫȬȭȮȯ < 1438748977 35331 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ȰȱȲȳȴȵȶȷȸȹȺȻȼȽȾȿ < 1438748977 409753 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɀɁɂɃɄɅɆɇɈɉɊɋɌɍɎɏ < 1438749513 166752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superosity's breaking the fourth wall < 1438749515 503151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 2014) < 1438749877 548666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But did they manage to break the fifth and sixth wall yet? < 1438750417 752850 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 🐉🐲 < 1438750419 123824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F409 DRAGON \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 89 UTF-16BE: d83ddc09 Decimal: 🐉 \ 🐉 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F432 DRAGON FACE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 b2 UTF-16BE: d83ddc32 Decimal: 🐲 \ 🐲 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1438750686 567565 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438750809 341880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your suggestions/complaints/questions about my "playmod" program (and my other programs)? < 1438751026 591280 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to defeat caching? < 1438751040 780656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to defeat the caching of? < 1438751139 569049 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fonts < 1438751153 196914 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearing my cache didn't work < 1438751171 373829 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is caching somewhere between me and the werver < 1438751177 548005 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*server < 1438751192 871969 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm what if I rename the file < 1438751233 513989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is your "playmod" program? < 1438751248 800962 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh that worked < 1438751279 468378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a program to play MOD/S3M/IT/XM and many other formats, taking the music file from stdin and write raw audio data to stdout. < 1438751302 498102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :The channel where "is not a legitimate question" is not a legitimate sentence fragment | Sir Fungellot does not fnord. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1438751403 586418 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: raw audio data in what format? < 1438751437 665589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can specify mono or stereo, and you can specify 11025 Hz or 22050 Hz or 44100 Hz, and you can specify unsigned 8-bits or signed 16-bits or signed 32-bits. < 1438751477 184310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The output may be infinite, so you might have to interrupt it) < 1438751573 20921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you interrupt it? < 1438751668 464316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can push ^C to interrupt it like you can interrupt other program, although depending what you are sending the output to you might also use SIGPIPE < 1438751670 853140 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.21 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438751694 307996 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438751695 2944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you can also push ^Z to pause; these are same like any other programs.) < 1438751695 57254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that always end it at a proper point? < 1438751747 606376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not guaranteed. You can turn off looping though, so that it will not be infinite; still the point it ends might not necessarily be the proper point (it depends what music file you are trying to play). < 1438751765 912398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will it always stop correctly? < 1438751781 988837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe with raw audio it's OK. < 1438751795 597453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it will always stop correctly. < 1438751833 481610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't stop in the middle of a 16-bit or 32-bit number being output. < 1438752222 692286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel where "The channel where is surrounding its own quotation" is surrounding its own quotation | Sir Fungellot does not fnord. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1438753041 92611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When TeX displays "1507 multiletter control sequences out of 15000+50000", why is it "15000+50000"; what is the significance of like this with the plus sign? < 1438753124 32165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a standard feature of TeX. < 1438753766 541910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Athena scroll bars, do you like that? < 1438754265 110647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 65 < 1438754266 92313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 65: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1438754477 59524 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438754500 283047 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438754500 522279 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438754500 576632 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438754693 737803 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438755419 481481 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438755439 98717 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There wouldn't happen to be a channel about language design that isn't necessarily esoteric, is there? < 1438755973 864266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a silly idea. i remember someone mentioning #osdev which is about os'es... < 1438756054 831420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls lambda the ultimate but that's not irc/chat < 1438756304 892605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43687&oldid=43685 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1839) 10Now it's finished, probably. Brute forced to 16 instructions, most of the way through 17 and 100000 steps. 1000000 steps is running, nothing for this page yet. < 1438756314 642793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43688&oldid=43684 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+780) 10/* BF Constants Cleanup */ < 1438757092 263804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43689&oldid=43343 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+609350) 10Please don't break ... < 1438757792 975860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it break, i'm scared to check < 1438757870 815865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I understand it right that the Apache Portable Runtime at http://apr.apache.org/ is a sort of portable basic operations library similar to libglib, and that it's broken to two packages in such a way that apr contains the algorithm stuff and apr-util contains the system-dependent stuff? < 1438757910 971670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it seems to be a bit newer in the design than glib. < 1438757979 483542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it uses longer prefixes for its symbols, apr_* and APR_* instead of g* and G* < 1438758819 432392 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438758825 669474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload/Numbers14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43690&oldid=43028 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+46) 10 < 1438758861 303470 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438759100 781705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43691&oldid=43689 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+2689) 10And the edit ? That works too ?!?!? < 1438759363 687584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think I just got spam in Vietnamese language, for possibly the first time < 1438759880 40123 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438761925 683775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you in the mood for a spot of type trickery < 1438761958 636239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timing is somewhat atrocious < 1438762033 305993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1438762180 593810 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438762182 830632 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations on covering that range, oren! < 1438762187 166485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll just give you the idea < 1438762191 559714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1438762201 6923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]_: There's a #proglangdesign with 37 people on it. < 1438762210 65563 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438762211 630337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the point is that if i start thinking about it, i might not get to sleep < 1438762212 371519 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that < 1438762214 803831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming Language Design - discussing programming languages designs, especially new/radical ideas and new/lesser known languages. Old topics: type systems, memory management, parallel programming, concurrency, and implementation issues. Discussed: Python, Scala, Clojure, F#, Haskell/Clean/CAL, Go, Rust, or " < 1438762219 575829 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll notice that I'm one of those 37 < 1438762226 680332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't, because I'm not. < 1438762229 415884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see the number. < 1438762235 909516 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1438762246 297619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other half is that this is one of those days where i'm having trouble deciding whether i _should_ try to sleep soon) < 1438762258 263165 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching over to my other tab < 1438762265 354308 :hppavilion[1]_!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438762269 384768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus minus minus plus < 1438762270 895746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+--+" < 1438762320 433851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ L.loop (plus minus plus) minus < 1438762322 240460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[+-+]-" < 1438762323 552136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of thing < 1438762343 356801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out how to make loops work (they don't really work yet) < 1438762351 519595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you could use [] syntax, maybe with OverloadedLists or something < 1438762378 860007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the way, i'm currently trying to decide whether to get to sleep, so something is way off in your time zone < 1438762385 699775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's your sleeping schedule hth < 1438762394 816005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to sleep hthib < 1438762413 709235 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ib? < 1438762432 651726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Baccalaureate® < 1438762438 372013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um my sleeping schedule is off 90% of the time < 1438762455 220115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, so you can figure out this haskell thing < 1438762492 25415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i've lately been annoyed by people trying to make decisions for me. < 1438762503 711818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :'( < 1438762605 407878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this is pertaining to a discussion earlier today < 1438762627 217545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it yesterday? < 1438762763 797671 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438763341 920314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnerd. < 1438763346 548174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1438763346 602513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 10h 36m 10s ago: damn I hate this. <-- clearly the only insurance worth having is one that insures you against not having the right insurances. < 1438763357 564085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Absolutely. < 1438763381 629721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, agreement < 1438763390 371407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be nice, because if it wouldn't pay you out, it has to pay you out < 1438763407 954065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, are you in a coöperative mood < 1438763415 622401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the mood for a hug, perhaps < 1438763417 658515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FNORD! < 1438763453 251184 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there ever #esoteric channel meetings? < 1438763454 547270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very fnordic of you < 1438763477 610348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf has met a few people from here < 1438763498 261216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's have a meeting right now. < 1438763509 910197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :point of order: too many meetings < 1438763515 616470 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438763518 334176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2 many < 1438763537 418109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the too many meetings, governor? < 1438763557 876617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meeting has been adjourned < 1438763601 804469 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you forgot Any Other Business! < 1438763613 872100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oops. You'd better call another meeting. < 1438763624 193335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on the committee < 1438763635 530903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you're on the mmittee < 1438763642 413823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just what you need for a mmitteeng < 1438763677 584403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't even remember who's from here, but there have been a few. < 1438763696 440126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people end up around here. < 1438763700 228258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because the bay area is the best area. < 1438763720 296602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not anyone who was in this channel before I met them < 1438763720 720405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it might have the greatest concentration? < 1438763915 633113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what did you think of my haskell puzzle < 1438763924 110924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Haskell puzzle < 1438763935 407695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :making loops work in the haskell bf dsl < 1438763944 812560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with overloaded lists or just with a function called loop < 1438763962 916276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus minus minus plus plus -- magic < 1438763964 512446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+--++" < 1438764231 47745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (--) < 1438764232 105971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1438764235 853826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438764242 801949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type plus < 1438764242 856258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a comment < 1438764244 42554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :B a => a < 1438764250 521027 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.21 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438764257 7398 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438764257 894380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1438764258 638345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also pikhq and i were independently invited to the same event hth < 1438764260 178269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438764264 332201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't done Haskell in a while < 1438764275 80294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: synchronicity! < 1438764279 919670 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438764320 652404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did any of you know what the other looked like < 1438764359 244102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's a picture of me on my stackoverflow page hth < 1438764383 561523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that helped < 1438764496 557744 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438764506 785974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this bf thing your type question < 1438764535 570270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH HE GOT ME < 1438764552 739926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHA < 1438764594 3930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this weather forecast is too rainy < 1438764661 32749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was wrong with your L.loop < 1438764667 874780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ L.loop [] < 1438764669 325137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘b0 -> BF’ with actual type ‘[t0]’ < 1438764669 379416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of ‘L.loop’, namely ‘[]’ < 1438764669 433808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of ‘($)’, namely ‘L.loop []’ < 1438764681 311811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ L.loop plus < 1438764682 789243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[+]" < 1438764689 623890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus L.loop plus < 1438764690 960477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘(BF -> BF) -> BF -> c0’ with ‘BF’ < 1438764691 63235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of ‘($)’, namely ‘plus L.loop plus’ < 1438764691 117523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: run $ plus L.loop plus < 1438764694 883984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1438764703 830649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t plus < 1438764704 990669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :B a => a < 1438764713 109145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k B < 1438764714 311021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> Constraint < 1438764720 111716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t run < 1438764721 476082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BF -> BF) -> String < 1438764792 728536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.loop < 1438764793 794632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(B c, B b) => (b -> BF) -> BF -> c < 1438764829 173388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ic < 1438764851 619275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the forecast is not only rainy but icy < 1438764869 170584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this B thing < 1438764879 308426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a type class < 1438764893 987616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot understand that without its methods < 1438764915 152985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class B a where { tob :: BF -> a; frb :: a -> BF } < 1438764939 709438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look this solution is suboptimal, that's why i was hoping you'd invent something better < 1438764950 347141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1438764982 712009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way an earlier version sort of worked without run, but you had to annotate it :: String, and it didn't work as well in other ways < 1438765016 152941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this BF is unnecessary, you can just use String < 1438765039 456977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to make something work with lists so i didn't want something that overlapped with [a] but that didn't work anyway < 1438765099 227078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might go with TeX-style "run $ plus (loop plus minus plus) minus" if you can make it work < 1438765110 330941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i was planning to wake up in ~6 hours < 1438765117 955111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was thinking that might be easier < 1438765139 846151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, why isn't that already working? < 1438765158 125985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus (L.loop plus minus plus) minus < 1438765159 563436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+[+]-+-" < 1438765169 49441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tob :: BF -> (BF -> BF) < 1438765170 315749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF -> BF -> BF < 1438765194 863758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1438765224 265510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.loop plus < 1438765225 679827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :B c => BF -> c < 1438765234 737065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably make something work < 1438765239 492060 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438765290 962699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toB . ($) < 1438765292 298461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘toB’ < 1438765292 399977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1438765292 454295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘tob’ (line 164), ‘to’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1438765297 633484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tob . ($) < 1438765298 889019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘a -> b’ with ‘BF’ < 1438765298 943297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (a -> b) -> BF < 1438765298 997524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1438765407 82237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toB `asTypeOf` \_ _ -> _ < 1438765408 256870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘toB’ < 1438765408 359562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1438765408 414111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘tob’ (line 164), ‘to’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1438765415 109604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tob `asTypeOf` \_ _ -> _ < 1438765416 316153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Found hole ‘_’ with type: t1 < 1438765416 370441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Where: ‘t1’ is a rigid type variable bound by < 1438765416 370541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : the inferred type of it :: BF -> t -> t1 at Top level < 1438765422 360200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1438765428 240257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tob `asTypeOf` \_ _ -> undefined < 1438765429 333164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :B t => BF -> BF -> t < 1438765511 320421 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438765663 154724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.loop < 1438765664 341100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(B c, B b) => (b -> BF) -> BF -> c < 1438765727 874024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh whoami.filippo.io <- OHSHIT < 1438765750 600221 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438765910 721575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZORNOT < 1438766052 666167 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438766455 72224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I think I have it < 1438766462 636006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1438766465 955804 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not testing it right < 1438769356 649633 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438769986 594364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438770037 849073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf I sense that all the suggested syntaxes have some trouble with programs like [[]+] < 1438770037 951694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1438770059 265445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1438771031 219329 :quan!~quan@124.88.177.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438771080 91507 :quan!~quan@124.88.177.181 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438771369 185187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a google search prefix that shows you sites that link to another one? < 1438771452 675141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :link:wikipedia.org yields NO search results < 1438771455 23979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's suspicious < 1438771495 543140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be broken this feature < 1438772379 497810 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438772463 654369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en claims it still exists, but it looks a bit dubious. "link:youtube.com" finds, like, 7k results. < 1438772526 994542 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1438772544 290517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does still show some results for some sites < 1438772562 232879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it shows none for some sites that clearly should have links to them < 1438772600 131851 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438772707 694015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I said "This article was not helpful." :) < 1438772718 189181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :link: is broken < 1438772848 67519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_A_Work: Apartment hunting sucks. < 1438772849 141620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438773026 77694 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes it does, but how did you know I’m looking for an apartment? XD < 1438773035 811733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also vertical center div should totally be possible < 1438773041 226620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was possible back in the ugly css days < 1438773048 454718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you can even do calculations < 1438773057 443361 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_A_Work: I'm a stalker. < 1438773059 499347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stalk people < 1438773066 749206 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see … <.< < 1438773081 961740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was doing some site analyzes < 1438773090 657237 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I stumbled upon your tweet about output.html < 1438773097 810416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I went on reading your twitter feed < 1438773104 295343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analysis < 1438773112 1169 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah hah. < 1438773137 758338 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t even think I remember that tweet. I grumble a lot about web dev when I’m doing it (which somehow seems to be always) < 1438773281 857622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1438773288 320196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHOULD NOT have followed that patent link < 1438773404 242825 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Dick wraps? < 1438773440 922813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh < 1438773463 151461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to do that? < 1438773469 972788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You can do a search for "info:wikipedia.org", and then there's a "find web pages that link to wikipedia.org" link, which uses a search term with some hash -- link:FtttyIEMjRYJ:https://www.wikipedia.org/ for me -- but it also doesn't work any better (no matches). < 1438773690 67533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438773984 16848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438773989 702631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :border-radius with dashed border looks weird < 1438773994 485745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because around the border it's not dashed < 1438774218 629735 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438774297 508464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1438774477 631845 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438774766 993980 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438775370 896960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438775405 131119 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438775446 324736 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438775466 82804 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438775827 402743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You can do a search for "info:wikipedia.org", and then there's a "find web pages that link to wikipedia.org" link, which uses a search term with some hash -- link:FtttyIEMjRYJ:https://www.wikipedia.org/ for me -- but it also doesn't work any better (no matches). < 1438775837 578479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1438776028 385384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not here. < 1438776065 31071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamnit fungot stop leaving this channel < 1438776162 178704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I summon thee < 1438777120 296083 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jacquesmattheij.com/the-fastest-blog-in-the-world < 1438777123 308207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine loads faster :D < 1438777125 250126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck it < 1438777262 752699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, is your blog accessible by gopher < 1438777320 766993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1438777330 852536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even accesible by https I think < 1438777343 839014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no < 1438777352 32590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoster doesn't support it < 1438777361 94455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 1CHF a month hoster < 1438777362 301750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1438777369 301628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't expect much. < 1438777407 165273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumingly mathjax and googlefonts are the largest part of it < 1438777413 899390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much to learn... < 1438777465 791118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need css for different screens < 1438777468 989834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing something wrong. < 1438777504 924199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a mobile version of your site you're doing something wrong < 1438777560 281887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is your blog? < 1438777643 131312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch < 1438778437 341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like simple, clean designs ;) < 1438778442 767242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like The Burlesque Page < 1438778450 684049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I made it like that so it looks like other fancy crappy sites ;) < 1438778452 574851 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438778469 204508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start a blog < 1438778485 494413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I follow mroman's URL scheme and buy taneb.uk? < 1438778508 630491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy taneb.co.uk, for your corporate personality. < 1438778571 666914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also put disqus behind this click-protection < 1438778574 295927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even get a taneb.uk, or does it have to be taneb.me.uk or some-such? < 1438778581 346861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can get taneb.uk < 1438778583 736806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that no data is transfered to/from disqus for users just visiting the page < 1438778588 649263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fungot. < 1438778600 401858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot.gov < 1438778602 342078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the almost entirely unused haskellhero.uk, on the suggestion of a friend < 1438778613 799310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you own haskellhero.uk? < 1438778618 518947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438778627 624279 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438778633 983162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're real name is Nathan < 1438778636 181098 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1438778653 857991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438778664 279362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it's in my whois information on IRC < 1438778665 552753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice colors :D < 1438778671 659721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real name: Nathan van Doorn < 1438778681 506226 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on my article on the wiki! < 1438778688 878380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should somehow get the kerning trick in the IRC whois too. < 1438778694 930661 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438778702 303703 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my username IS my real name < 1438778711 981735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, should I buy Taneb.me < 1438778734 609833 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get .be < 1438778740 995277 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cheaper < 1438778748 697994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not... belorussian? < 1438778759 292321 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :belgian. < 1438778774 536447 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have orenwatson.be and I'm canadian < 1438778784 962492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that reminds me, some movie I saw recently had a villain called van Doom, made me think of you < 1438778792 495339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Fantastic Four? < 1438778805 137669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real name is partially my username < 1438778820 783079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, I think so, yes < 1438778835 154218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my user is partially a real person < 1438779101 86055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Starting from September 5th, 2016, anyone can apply for a .fi domain, even non-Finnish people. < 1438779174 928381 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick. grab sci.fi! < 1438779187 546982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's already taken. < 1438779206 942034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :grab zzie.fi? < 1438779209 778842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a sci.fi address, though; they were my ISP. < 1438779216 833228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about zzie.fi when getting my .fi. < 1438779244 969851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :grab fizz.ie < 1438779249 49335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it used to be so that you dealt directly with the Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority, and they had age and locality rules, but they're moving to the "we only handle the registry, and you deal with a random shady registrar" model. < 1438779260 810417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ie stands for internet explorer < 1438779265 117640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you explore the internet < 1438779357 41596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're opening up .ax too. < 1438779375 11731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it's been even more strict than .fi, which isn't a surprise. < 1438779402 137114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a TLD for the Åland Islands.) < 1438779501 89576 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What happens to old registrations? < 1438779513 936925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it more strict than .hu used to be before it got opened? < 1438779518 393937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can't renew after that date except via a registrar ("välittäjä"). < 1438779533 350773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Åland' looks ridiculous with my font < 1438779542 740274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it squashes the A down to make room for the circle < 1438779556 588947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what's the status of your font? < 1438779564 198709 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And currently one can only register for a year at a time, I guess? < 1438779595 990356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Saunalahti claims that according to the "law," I have to live here for 3 years to get a 4G subscription, or else pay a 300€ deposit" < 1438779599 408932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1438779614 287186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe? I don't know if they've changed that; you used to be able to register for up to five, I think. < 1438779627 524402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you might leave the country with all the data if they didn't, after all < 1438779680 854441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what data? < 1438779694 930120 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right, it does say 5 years. So one could postpone the registrar-obtaining for that long if one registers on September 4th. < 1438779749 523004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can renew whenever, or only when you're close to expiring. My current expiration date seems to be March 10, 2017. < 1438779799 544508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fi-verkkotunnuksen voi uusia aikaisintaan kuusi kuukautta ennen voimassaoloajan päättymistä." < 1438779857 459994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't do it until... September 10th, 2016? That's some good timing right there. < 1438780387 799218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you could blog about Haskell stuff . < 1438780402 753498 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that was the intention with haskellhero < 1438780408 305117 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just never actually bothered < 1438780447 963552 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll eventually put some actual writing on my website (prose, rather than data). right now I can't be bothered < 1438780457 516362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very hero-like :( < 1438780548 691044 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have all the Latin-1 -A -B, and all IPA now < 1438780550 329112 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438780567 351337 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on my website has 1200 chars roughtly < 1438780576 962312 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am adding more in the editor < 1438780599 619491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. removed google fonts. < 1438780605 154643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want google tracking my visitors < 1438780612 866252 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the thing left is mathjax < 1438780637 291114 :SopaXT2!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438780656 552159 :SopaXT2!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1438780677 389252 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't host mathjax myself < 1438780679 983823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathjax is 30MB < 1438780685 639469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a lot of webspace < 1438780773 68150 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate the images once then host them < 1438780819 941811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many browsers support mathml? < 1438780902 375411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just use MathML < 1438780923 633122 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox apparently has the most complete support < 1438780989 802381 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, time for me to go to work. < 1438781033 235015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, Chrome does not, apparently < 1438781069 805504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like mathjax, but I just pulled it from their CDN. It's not like my website has users to worry about. < 1438781147 104623 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I've gone off the colour scheme for my esolangs page < 1438781207 696990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that if you embed someone's javascript you leak the whole webpage content to them < 1438781263 667801 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google already knows what your webpage looks like, anyway < 1438781277 676478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438781288 5279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no problem unless you're a site that has a protected area < 1438781291 494006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like social medias < 1438781295 355149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1438781298 330731 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438781299 354054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow no < 1438781305 840934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your site has a protected area < 1438781324 938531 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a place, a place named fungot < 1438781325 469073 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i was thinking more the shirt depicted in the image file. it cheats.): resemblance of an application of something i wrote for making python-style generators. i needed the case fan was even the wrong size, they color < 1438781386 361418 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438781386 506804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you do also leak knowledge of who's visiting your site. < 1438781386 821359 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember mathjax being 30MB, but if it's that large then using the CDN is a good idea (since people will only need to download it once). < 1438781422 630912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's mostly the images. < 1438781446 328303 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438781451 415074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest distribution zip is +30MB < 1438781475 106875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True @leak who visits < 1438781484 98914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if you have not disabled referrers < 1438781487 196240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have disabled them. < 1438781494 819574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1438781495 776981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a hash-based URI scheme proposal, but it's not really implemented by anyone, I think. < 1438781498 822591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6920 < 1438781507 166859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the js could send information back as well < 1438781517 294664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's risky to embed third-party javascript < 1438781527 536872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*very* risky < 1438781599 594831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't some webpages do that to protect against csrf < 1438781606 257259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they generate links on the fly with one-time identifiers < 1438781610 466743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then map it internally < 1438781613 713884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's not what that is. < 1438781762 449974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFC is pretty vague, but one thing it's been suggested to be used for is references to content that never changes. < 1438781883 435879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"never" is such a strong word < 1438781891 823290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what content on the internet literally never changes? < 1438781901 952603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, if it's identified by a hash, it can't change. < 1438781925 247063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can of course change the place linking to it to point at something else. < 1438781934 475926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone referred to, say, JQuery version X as /.well-known/ni/sha-256/[hash], then browsers could in theory avoid retrieving it without having to pull it from some third-party place. < 1438781955 505085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1438781960 861492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsers could cache it then locally < 1438781982 149902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some talk of this on the Chrome mailing lists, but the general response was kind of negative. < 1438782036 826125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438782042 154180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you embed cache infos into the url? < 1438782045 297808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or url-scheme < 1438782054 349282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache://example.com/documentThatNeverChanges < 1438782120 919402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using the cache http means < 1438782168 885628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that'd be stupid :( < 1438782207 195758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an alternative proposal for addressing just the "you never know what the CDN will return" case, which would allow for something like and then the browser would only run it if the hash matches. < 1438782214 945195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/subresourceintegrity/ < 1438782230 241581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438782235 894958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely a nice thing to have < 1438782255 806282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing for images or the like < 1438782262 51851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually every external resource should have that < 1438782296 695255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is probably tricky < 1438782304 319051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since js usually injects dependencies < 1438782313 395642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loads further js < 1438782358 430728 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, you would audit that version of the script completely before using it < 1438782366 350163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vectror < 1438782371 998098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1438782373 966163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo? < 1438782379 707524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vectror? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438782381 102288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is everybot on vacation? < 1438782385 244517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he's just slow < 1438782388 510200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vector < 1438782390 134762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438782401 191282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: still, javascript can load further resources as it pleases < 1438782414 193319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'd verify that the script has integrity="..." checks on all dependencies it pulls in, of course. < 1438782455 602556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to :) < 1438782459 330820 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438782469 29020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you wouldn't do that < 1438782498 263077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much effort < 1438782499 470352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly you'd just be pragmatic and say "this is probably all good this time, I just don't want it to change", the way people do with SSH keys. < 1438782511 649267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/keys/host fingerprints/ whatever. < 1438782578 453735 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, you'd audit those too. < 1438782651 357959 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd need the hashed-URI thing to load those reliably < 1438782658 12909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be a nice feature still. < 1438782742 450493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.3 Cross-origin data leakage < 1438782745 530294 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438782791 438823 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1438782875 206795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything always has corner cases like that. :/ < 1438782875 737788 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438782954 253476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the BREACH thing about just compressing with gzip, I think that was pretty nasty. < 1438782962 985879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://breachattack.com/resources/BREACH%20-%20SSL,%20gone%20in%2030%20seconds.pdf < 1438783275 477482 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438783981 357543 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438784461 699742 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1438784937 269331 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1438784939 325738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great. code has a reformatting change that affects every function, so I can't just diff to see the real changes. < 1438784998 9641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to do a trickier diffing procedure < 1438785012 405599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, it doesn't actually affect _every_ function < 1438785015 909625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1438785744 377112 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1438785761 337841 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438786096 876240 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1438786249 446748 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438786330 296705 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438786724 521840 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438786782 670944 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438787093 232700 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1438787099 233740 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438787849 464647 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438788784 14161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make the kind of URI scheme that you can make integrity:-: < 1438788842 929767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the user should be allowed to add their own integrity checks as well as override ones specified by the page, but the page should also be allow to specify integrity checks too < 1438788894 208672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The user can override such as if they don't want additional scripts they add later on to run until the user has approved them, but continue to let the approved scripts to run.) < 1438788971 728316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the user specifies integrity checks they can be applied to inline scripts too though) < 1438789057 910016 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438789096 562514 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1438789240 929938 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1438789241 686852 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438789326 340772 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438789821 871789 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438790135 847620 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1438790860 304793 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438790957 339042 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438792219 93224 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438794207 320708 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438794324 124384 :RUSBE!~canaima@186.167.243.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438794411 232402 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438794750 330169 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438796149 853367 :RUSBE!~canaima@186.167.243.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438796451 671435 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438796584 504186 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a json parser < 1438796588 941790 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 20 lines of bash < 1438796598 984820 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/j < if anyone is interested < 1438796684 367622 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfpjwwgfsudtnqqd JOIN :#esoteric < 1438797138 347508 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think you forgot "uses bash as a scripting language" in "bugs" < 1438797165 748100 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slow claps coppro < 1438797167 99817 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah <.< < 1438797185 853767 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is fine if you know what you're doing < 1438797208 708052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it has all kind of problems but which language doesnt < 1438797734 411518 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438797989 89333 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438798110 695591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, other, better scripting languages generally have fewer problems < 1438798166 445014 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which problems are you thinking of? < 1438798181 188081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, an extra space can delete your entire file system < 1438798190 411587 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, exactly < 1438798206 128928 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two kind of problems: the "i don't know how to use bash so bash must be the worst language ever" < 1438798212 853748 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual problems < 1438798264 866602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what extra space is that? prior to a / in rm -rf foo/*? < 1438798289 338639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :other, better scripting languages don't make you hate them if you try to write a program in them without being familiar < 1438798297 677239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1438798318 106305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1438798323 521829 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate haskell < 1438798326 309788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unreadable < 1438798328 622280 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwriteable < 1438798339 890051 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 haskell < 1438798341 57887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is not a scripting language in any case < 1438798344 514861 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always feel smarter when something works < 1438798345 67133 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1438798348 557118 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike idris < 1438798351 139391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I just feel dumber < 1438798356 450586 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yeah, that one, it came up in the steam linux client among others < 1438798365 523019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how did your solution to the haskell loop puzzle go < 1438798365 725963 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my understanding there's something called ghci < 1438798377 751242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/son-this-is-bait.png < 1438798387 401391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I had a crazy idea involving existential constraints < 1438798451 209020 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh right that < 1438798459 981239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was ... a fun bug < 1438799124 601827 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438800851 548594 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1438801280 553425 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438801533 620666 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438801743 289407 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438802333 656769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1438802561 61796 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ə < 1438802562 98735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0259 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA] < 1438802686 917392 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438803060 854668 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfpjwwgfsudtnqqd QUIT :Quit: . < 1438804900 616723 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438804914 556465 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438805469 251268 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438805760 326851 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438806272 326115 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438806543 300679 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438806665 116017 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438807381 929523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1438807607 540468 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438807718 601502 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438808077 451381 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxovznrhclxwnarp JOIN :#esoteric < 1438808145 156305 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1438808555 90382 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438808744 409335 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438808916 4262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weighted companion cube < 1438808917 380280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weighted companion cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438808920 847993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? companion cube < 1438808922 754661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :companion cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438808957 116208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cube < 1438808958 388482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809069 182495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weighted companion < 1438809070 258825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weighted companion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809071 843308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weighted < 1438809073 516666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weighted? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809075 550965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? companion < 1438809076 765573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :companion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809082 341571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best be thorough. < 1438809096 542314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weighted cube < 1438809097 443386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weighted cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809105 461664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1438809106 313710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809122 335387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's it. < 1438809149 290025 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?  < 1438809150 43567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438809173 671174 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to try, sorry :P) < 1438809866 898639 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run \? wisdom | rainbow < 1438809867 962522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1012wisd08o08m is13 alw05ay06s03 f10a12c09tua04l08ly11 a11c09c11urat05e,03 ex06c05ept for02 14th09i12s04 e07ntry,04 and uh14 tha09t 02o13t03he08r 12on12e? 09it05 02s07ta03r09t14e10d03 04wit05h l06ik06e08,07 06a09n 1108? < 1438809965 70879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay for cut-in-the-middle UTF-8. < 1438810008 180457 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that HackEgo also uses ZWSP protocol < 1438810073 352958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438810768 307584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rainbow < 1438810769 452434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438810776 548463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Minecraft < 1438810777 774696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438810787 152169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just not wise enough, HackEgo < 1438810834 770516 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438810860 373904 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438810877 90006 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438810986 170185 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438811068 530796 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438811273 619686 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438811510 416000 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438811519 89471 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438811726 625749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mathboy601 5* 10New user account < 1438811959 951600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :promising nickname... < 1438812104 89473 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438812347 325760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfact14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43692&oldid=36748 5* 03Mathboy601 5* (+448) 10/* Just ><++ for brainf*** equivalence? */ new section < 1438812466 424247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfact14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43693&oldid=36759 5* 03Mathboy601 5* (+0) 10+++ makes 6, @ jumps to the 6!th character; 6! = 720 < 1438812949 4291 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. < 1438813018 131279 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438813021 453038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hax0r/hax0r (see ¯\(°​_o)/¯) < 1438813071 788158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the boily, governor? < 1438813137 804346 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to porthello shachaf with that idiom, but to no avail < 1438813175 555648 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafellot of the myself? governachaf? spot shachof the still me? < 1438813355 104114 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438813374 448619 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438813619 335698 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1438813820 254095 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438814076 420776 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438814138 328971 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1438814424 916721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. < 1438814480 951063 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.youtu.be/UgD5ZAKcIIE < 1438814579 259194 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I copied that out of the filename. are youtu.be links permalinks?) < 1438814624 354521 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you want the wwwless version. this link doesn't resolve. < 1438814636 452218 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. there < 1438814802 735062 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438815907 337583 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438816968 529282 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438817375 584963 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438817792 336931 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438817794 135870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :output/ < 1438818340 221925 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1438818373 309044 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438818883 169234 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438818885 86813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/The 1 is just for disambiguation. < 1438818892 918462 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438818896 330592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/1 < 1438818899 362686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan < 1438819006 290562 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438819098 937912 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's doubly oerjany. < 1438819124 905526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the spot of the oerjan, governor?, governor? < 1438819203 505461 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some grand corruption of the hash incrementation on the ESOP headless point to the fuck for extension? < 1438819214 258958 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a man who saw a man who saw a spot of the spot of oerjan's governor's governor's bear. < 1438819229 137207 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsellott. fnord? < 1438819250 850469 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the parum. < 1438819255 982280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43694&oldid=42978 5* 03123.151.153.35 5* (+14) 10/* Quine */ < 1438819265 382814 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want to use a script of same existing registers dependent on the data to the pointer, and not sentible programming. < 1438819275 40692 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one works. < 1438819288 304985 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I also have the point in lists that I have a particular rule, and it is faster, but they have to count a thing that things that must be inverted in the picture did people using the colors meaning an expected bits. I think. < 1438819313 260465 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of a difference for such a real position that means to do it to the talk of places of concats of the constructor, and compile and system machine... < 1438819445 774679 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:54:26: Sounds like that time i lambdabot :p < 1438819596 992869 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop leaking your sentience onto other bots twh < 1438819597 549681 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: or the cdr of each lst and do the sensible thing: he hasn't got a clock that beeps until you get ' out of memory. < 1438819646 646084 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438820403 579315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best clock. < 1438820407 875935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just keeps beeping. < 1438820431 221984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had this foldable alarm clock, one day it just started beeping and would. not. stop. < 1438820445 212989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't have an easily removable battery. < 1438820881 268674 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438821021 604544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438821041 389211 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly WHO is in the middle that I need to worry about a MITM attack from? < 1438821154 238109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahmoud ahmadinejad hth < 1438821191 809865 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he in control of a server between me and California? < 1438821214 5716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised. < 1438821231 608408 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1438821231 749107 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Client Quit < 1438821239 306217 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438821257 567912 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1438821257 622193 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Client Quit < 1438821464 416908 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438821466 146239 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438821541 162891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my type family uc in ghci still works in 7.10.2... < 1438821548 212350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unsafeCoerce < 1438821992 932612 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. still coercing innocent types together? < 1438822082 677024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1438822099 194343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7102#comment:4 < 1438822146 776783 :grotewold!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1438822150 191502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1438822189 567986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fancy < 1438822253 335216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you got a taste of fame, you just couldn't stop < 1438822325 733699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually there's no need to have separate uc and fro, after the new instance is defined fro works directly. < 1438822337 405194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mwahahaha? < 1438822532 515630 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438822730 692106 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -FIi 'evil overlord' wisdom/* < 1438822735 837582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/oerjan:Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. < 1438822735 966708 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                    | < 1438822736 53463 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                  o/`¯º < 1438822960 119953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, this is ghci-only < 1438823004 726124 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1371 characters! < 1438823023 802776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1438823092 743690 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fro? < 1438823120 451881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um, see link? < 1438823139 642227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end, it's really unsafeCoerce < 1438823169 760414 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so it's a haskell pointer cast < 1438823177 134905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438823211 963481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "safeCoerce"? < 1438823218 464817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes! < 1438823224 176179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called coerce < 1438823228 468392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t coerce < 1438823229 693655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Contravariant f) => f a -> f b < 1438823233 927571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong one < 1438823243 214051 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you define the specific coercion from ieee double to int64_t < 1438823248 159733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.Coerce.coerce < 1438823249 237920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘GHC.Coerce.coerce’ < 1438823253 445664 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a typesafe manner? < 1438823286 275177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.Coercible.coerce < 1438823287 508712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘GHC.Coercible.coerce’ < 1438823290 109819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1438823313 305794 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.Coercable.coerce < 1438823314 478356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘GHC.Coercable.coerce’ < 1438823319 700364 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Coercable.coerce < 1438823320 731386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘Coercable.coerce’ < 1438823329 102089 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.coerce < 1438823330 413060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘GHC.coerce’ < 1438823335 470342 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC < 1438823336 229180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of you is spamming the channel here < 1438823336 537020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor ‘GHC’ < 1438823337 847651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.Exts.coerce < 1438823338 816404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Types.Coercible a b => a -> b < 1438823355 471017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: don't be silly, no one can guess GHC module names hth < 1438823356 642043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not naming any names, but his name starts with o and ends with n < 1438823370 103482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1438823414 93449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lambdabot imports that one... < 1438823425 361823 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the kind Coercible contains types that have known binary representations? < 1438823444 899146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the safeCoerce only works for wrapping and unwrapping newtype stuff < 1438823452 504731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*safe coerce < 1438823473 129113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: *typeclass, nominally < 1438823474 939697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This class does not have regular instances; instead they are created on-the-fly during type-checking. Trying to manually declare an instance of Coercible is an error." < 1438823553 344542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's not that general, coerce is a do-nothing cast < 1438823615 303918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is unsafeCoerce, the difference is coerce only works when the types are safely interchangeable < 1438823625 479479 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438823625 533776 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438823625 533833 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438823698 259553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is partly representation, partly a semantic thing < 1438823754 519714 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438823846 173343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. Map key1 v and Map key2 v are not interchangeable even if the key types are, because they might have different sort orders and Map is a binary search tree) < 1438823863 297870 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438823892 388597 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438823930 377658 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah I would not expect complex data structures to work with a pointer cast, only things like that stupid float sqrt trick. < 1438823951 53860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ensured by Map having a "role annotation" < 1438823966 596612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um complex data structures work just fine < 1438823978 541883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :list types can be converted this way < 1438823995 930306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and float vs. int _cannot_ be < 1438824006 572046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Double vs. Int, presumably) < 1438824023 792042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has a Float type hth < 1438824036 185231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but it is scow < 1438824043 888005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so is Double < 1438824046 666474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Maps can be converted on the _result_ type < 1438824051 130214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...granted. < 1438824068 946421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating Point Arithmetic: < 1438824071 437820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's scow. < 1438824122 692626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,'a'),(0/0,'b'),(1,'c')] < 1438824124 93900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [(0.0,'a'),(NaN,'b'),(1.0,'c')] < 1438824134 720933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1438824147 192266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,'a'),(0/0,'b'),(1,'c'),(0/0,'d')] < 1438824148 529559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [(0.0,'a'),(NaN,'b'),(1.0,'c'),(NaN,'d')] < 1438824153 201785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1438824212 121849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,'a'),(0/0,'b'),(1,'c'),(0/0,'d'),(-1,'e')] < 1438824213 496571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : : can't find file: L.hs < 1438824216 464422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,'a'),(0/0,'b'),(1,'c'),(0/0,'d'),(-1,'e')] < 1438824218 40835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [(0.0,'a'),(NaN,'b'),(1.0,'c'),(NaN,'d'),(-1.0,'e')] < 1438824227 666229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1438824247 786007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you're going for there < 1438824252 652238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's nan of my business < 1438824272 13790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that NaN breaks as Map key < 1438824278 620531 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 < 1438824279 864469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ruins the rest of the map < 1438824284 174755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i got that bit < 1438824305 643996 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0v0) Hoot < 1438824321 472509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow they all seemed to end up in the order i inserted them < 1438824337 245924 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(u_u)p < 1438824342 222225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm giving up on this palindrome thing < 1438824354 862534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right logs < 1438824380 615876 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urfvdsnwrhicltkn NICK :fowl < 1438824381 901605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you figure out the loops thing twhib < 1438824383 125391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw i realized the [[]+] problem can be solved by abusing (), in theory < 1438824403 359893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so loop (loop ()) plus < 1438824404 198362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i already had an instance B () for that < 1438824407 441781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438824408 118348 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it clear that (n_n) is happy and (u_u) is sad < 1438824419 535873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's tricky to make it work < 1438824439 820893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my idea was, when in doubt CPS < 1438824446 164904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already cpsed hth < 1438824448 953235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438824453 72858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i? < 1438824456 100641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you mean double cps < 1438824461 98865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1438824461 905712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or triple cps, or however many levels < 1438824470 48942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS ALL THE THINGS < 1438824523 715526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of that RPN thing I saw years ago. < 1438824538 235566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you could write "x y add z mult" and so on. < 1438824573 519773 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc you mean? < 1438824601 113153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure that's not legal dc syntax hth < 1438824602 39253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean haskell hthib < 1438824611 575136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not with the intended meaning < 1438824666 118765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i had this idea that only the top function in each subexpression should be a -> type < 1438824695 412027 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/csv < 1438824697 313195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orenn orenn < 1438824706 869471 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unicodely mapoles oren < 1438824857 391426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think i decided () should _not_ be a B type because that'd mess up inference < 1438824862 894294 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1438824863 848399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1438824870 237894 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? csv < 1438824871 91165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSV猫stands猫for猫Cat猫Separated猫Values < 1438824877 355673 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehe < 1438824903 973599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was too tired to think then, and i'm not sure if i'm awake enough now < 1438824904 748822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughing at your own joke like that is poor form hth < 1438824925 568678 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my land behind my head anime style < 1438824930 134232 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hand < 1438824949 267452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :land behind my head, MtG style < 1438825023 384568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not sure you've played MtG hth < 1438825060 40390 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: あほ < 1438825120 368811 :egrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org NICK :zgrep < 1438825131 478100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. i had an opportunity once but didn't. i just know it has lands < 1438825177 12012 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16i[laPlbdP1+ddsbC0>cCO!>d]sc[80sbla1+dsaln>c]sdA0sbC2saCAsnlcx < 1438825199 559027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you said "true", but then you made my statement false tdnh < 1438825224 724521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean now you're sure i haven't? < 1438825245 81002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it was not an eternal, unchanging condition hth < 1438825249 879158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you only implied it < 1438825409 643853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But did you read the rules of MtG game? < 1438825415 627869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1438825434 737841 :grotewold!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1438825453 865895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't find this kind of game attractive. < 1438825464 578378 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/fnord\ am < 1438825466 343740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily < 1438825474 99637 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. euh. < 1438825478 321829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of game do you find attractive < 1438825500 84155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :games where i don't have to plan too much < 1438825503 294920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I like more than the playing of Magic: the Gathering is the puzzles (Magic: the Puzzling) < 1438825610 97600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's not the kind of puzzle i like, either < 1438825619 471080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that old PSPACE vs. NP thing < 1438825627 740275 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chelloppro. have you ever played Judge Tower? < 1438825758 153214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I read Windows help files on Linux (converting to man pages, plain text, or DVI is also fine) < 1438825817 648061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. CHM? < 1438825897 648819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the older .HLP format < 1438826181 468310 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! I can watch youtube through vlc in lower resolution by adding &fmt=18 to the url < 1438826188 942988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a format I haven't heard of in a long time. < 1438826383 816519 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make the braille pattern block be oxel graphics? < 1438826509 623760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VIBRATING CHICKEN < 1438827566 966001 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438827568 142174 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438827589 918516 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438827836 847177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438827857 663619 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1438828693 921862 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it that meeting new people is so very tiring? < 1438828786 470745 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the braille characters are now in my font. < 1438828824 725563 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1637 characters < 1438828835 978892 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the new total < 1438828887 222708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should make `flist and update interested parties using that < 1438828985 362353 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-136-225.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438829642 627738 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`flist < 1438829643 455907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: flist: not found < 1438829655 894485 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do I do that? < 1438829677 381842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelist < 1438829685 876892 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist flist < 1438829687 674103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438829700 757913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`flist < 1438829701 795857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flist: < 1438829704 114464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now people can subscribe using `` echo name >> bin/flist < 1438829713 410109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffancy < 1438829782 763829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the hardest mode ("V-HARD") of Pokemon de Panepon is too easy, also should add "X-HARD" level even more!!! < 1438829800 958055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WARP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43695&oldid=40980 5* 03210.86.83.200 5* (+5) 10Conform user name to site policy < 1438831252 317068 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438831439 350230 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-136-225.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438832180 953527 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438832202 986930 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438832318 734627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cube < 1438832319 837116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438832341 790038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. < 1438832343 976044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cube': Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. < 1438832554 466576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachafellot of the myself? governachaf? spot shachof the still me? <-- shachaf, please stop breaking boily twh < 1438833172 327682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wihib < 1438833756 742817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rambles uncontrbaily < 1438834221 796022 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438834593 822651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your prediction what can happen next in "level20.tex" story, and how much would you bet on it? < 1438834595 688590 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :K-Lined < 1438834678 923937 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438834984 21684 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxovznrhclxwnarp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1438835161 885597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read level20.tex < 1438835333 870197 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438835722 784112 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438835730 853193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I predict that the story will get longer. < 1438835753 150476 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict there may or may not be events. < 1438835758 795581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd probably bet a reasonable amount on it, but not with you as my counterparty hth < 1438835899 732591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to be more specific < 1438836010 530088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I predict that Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe will die, and I also predict that Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe will live. < 1438836023 999735 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438836038 12874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet a reasonable amount at the right odds. < 1438836124 914935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of reasonable amount? < 1438836178 182656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever amounts balance the book. < 1438836296 731794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to earn comp bonuses by betting on both sides and losing? < 1438836429 228808 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438836436 641456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are comp bonuses? < 1438836471 129404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allows you to get a discount at a hotel if you gamble there a lot. < 1438836710 19615 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly most hotels where you can also gamble have very low prices afaik < 1438836805 608223 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay 5 people starred my micro json parser on github < 1438836820 588090 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm most popular than ever < 1438836838 173858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ★ < 1438836839 159620 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct english? i meant i've never been as popular < 1438836846 506315 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayy a star on irc < 1438836860 175930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :✨ < 1438836873 885525 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's proper but I didn < 1438836876 11797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :✶ < 1438836890 80120 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't look twice at it when I read it, so it's proper enough to be American English < 1438836890 134446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your micro json parser on github? < 1438836898 615445 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/j this < 1438836921 875634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found PDJSON also in Github, and made it into a SQLite extension as well as fixed a bug that made it fail to support empty arrays. < 1438836950 329682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your program can be good if you want it in shell-scripts I suppose. < 1438837002 186621 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/skeeto/pdjson '[...] crappy software license (GPL or "do no evil"). [...]' < 1438837012 591035 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the gpl haters -_- < 1438837040 377737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fine with GPL, but mostly I write program as public domain most recently. < 1438837067 642500 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use GPL or PD with a reason, and MIT without a reason. < 1438837081 130157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer public domain mostly though < 1438837254 835789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put LANG=C in my .profile as otherwise it seems to want to use en_US.UTF-8 or en_CA.UTF-8 but I would rather to set the system's default locale to C < 1438837630 870855 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would cause all kind of weird problems with readline < 1438837667 891763 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can type multibyte characters, but then you have to press backspace several times to delete them, and the cursor may be misplaced, etc... < 1438837735 663324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't because also the terminal is set without multibyte character < 1438837763 717767 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine then < 1438838521 746436 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1438840638 624053 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438840741 847147 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu' < 1438840865 28059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei på du < 1438840982 661729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do you think of cards with abilities like bloodrush or Tymaret's second ability? < 1438841684 544149 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438841746 379656 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438843497 819450 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1438843522 617723 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438843792 579404 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1438843807 995397 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1438843837 23322 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438843892 596094 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438844177 423335 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438844462 609629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnörd. < 1438844575 198221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like that URI scheme < 1438844695 740292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my language ADD has reached a point where I only look at unreleased languages < 1438844704 95156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was fascinated by Rust right up until 1.0 < 1438844910 325564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon you'll only be able to look at unimplemented ones < 1438845224 599928 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438845488 869688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then uninvented ones. < 1438845510 871429 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, we seem to have a good supply of those < 1438845552 329284 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438845590 603995 :Froo!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438845794 983920 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438845828 301141 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438845831 836860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1438845838 555199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1438845866 136345 :Froo!~Frooxius@50.141.35.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438846515 436187 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438846681 924844 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438846864 67925 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438847211 929550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? windows < 1438847212 966235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438847215 105558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? win32 < 1438847216 207645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :win32? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438847769 213421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, it's finally released! < 1438847795 173462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache Subversion 1.9.0 released: http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2015-08/0026.shtml < 1438848079 589128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Hm < 1438848986 475519 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/user-liberation-watch-and-share-our-new-video < 1438849014 889911 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438849017 915997 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspiring video < 1438849673 361913 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438851187 998520 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438851797 416791 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438851907 609891 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438852231 94147 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438852401 546900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smallfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43696&oldid=20026 5* 03123.113.49.39 5* (+40) 10/* Binary counter */ new section < 1438852413 852591 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.virtualglitter.com/ < 1438852424 428036 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i keep on spamming stuff here? < 1438852428 492711 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool stuff < 1438853064 335314 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438853400 251821 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438853506 775200 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438854025 514169 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438854323 337119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hit the floor! < 1438854323 443131 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: will do. thanks. :) but... it's fnord long < 1438854336 618616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438854423 213003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win a free trip with fungot to the land of the Fnords. < 1438854423 426066 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: now you know, the part after the decimal, by the way), would be to create a scheme job < 1438854829 646869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**8 < 1438854831 142834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 256.0 < 1438854833 701610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**16 < 1438854834 958891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65536.0 < 1438854836 838849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**24 < 1438854838 73838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6777216e7 < 1438854844 804758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^24 < 1438854846 76884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16777216 < 1438854868 791836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1438854879 650655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#AAA is 12 bits < 1438854891 62843 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^12 < 1438854892 768406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4096 < 1438854895 998423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 4k colors < 1438855105 165795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do some testing < 1438855244 847460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh windows is such a pain < 1438855258 591283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't we just use unices like I'm used to < 1438855901 384131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old 12-bit color, I think there were a number of handheld consoles with that. < 1438856014 546506 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438856028 325713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a test image that is public domain < 1438856065 564980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks list of monochrome and RGB palettes < 1438856067 585145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, list of monochrome and RGB palettes. Thist of monochrome and RGB palettes. < 1438856213 619062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks whistle < 1438856214 680432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, whistle. Thistle. < 1438856272 244493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, do you need public domain, or do you just need available to use (eg, some creative commons licenses) < 1438856595 35166 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/colordepth.html < 1438856600 698633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found one through wikimedia < 1438856768 687062 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438856785 555245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438856887 224635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For small images you can easily remove 3 bit of color information per color component without suffering quality < 1438856920 20645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reduces the image size roughly 50% < 1438857039 333535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even write some heuristic that removes information just on r, g or b (or combinations of that) < 1438857061 729475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1438857217 970179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I still had my color correction python script < 1438858183 991609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody put up a bounty for a Mario 64 glitch < 1438858479 425938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few el-cheapo monitors at least used to only have 6 bits of color depth, and do dithering. < 1438858489 224569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how common that is these days. < 1438858518 756608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ Also, most TN panels represent colors using only six bits per RGB color, or 18 bit in total, and are unable to display the 16.7 million color shades (24-bit truecolor) that are available from graphics cards. Instead, these panels display interpolated 24-bit color using a dithering method that combines adjacent pixels to simulate the desired shade. They can also use a form of temporal ... < 1438858524 869857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... dithering called Frame Rate Control (FRC), which cycles between different shades with each new frame to simulate an intermediate shade. Such 18 bit panels with dithering are sometimes advertised as having "16.2 million colors". ]] < 1438858524 924094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/konami\ code < 1438858526 792883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438858533 124968 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/konami < 1438858534 802541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_ < 1438858552 114130 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ... Y U NICODE? < 1438858643 326466 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? konami < 1438858644 403818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The konami code is ㊤㊤㊦㊦㊧㊨㊧㊨Ⓑ Ⓐ [START] < 1438858681 203854 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/START/SELECT] [START/' wisdom/konami < 1438858683 838831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438858686 354586 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? konami < 1438858687 423176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The konami code is ㊤㊤㊦㊦㊧㊨㊧㊨Ⓑ Ⓐ [SELECT] [START] < 1438859062 126042 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to North bay now. logging out. < 1438859064 722547 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1438859122 477436 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren My mapole is waiting for you. < 1438859122 580443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1438859443 899586 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438860097 466076 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438860136 613141 :Simba_!b4b70bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.183.11.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438860141 509314 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PLATINUM CHICKEN < 1438860384 643805 :Simba_!b4b70bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.183.11.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438861128 430046 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438861182 240737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438861193 549603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooodl/nooodl is the correct spelling < 1438861200 430143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438861202 466006 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic/impomatic never did anything weird enough to get into this database. < 1438861224 970051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438861226 423856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1438861326 829000 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438861406 435820 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438861407 660904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdt/That doesn't tdt. < 1438861701 132014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You talking to me? < 1438861822 416080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's right. I just recently watched Taxi Driver for the first time) < 1438861864 743080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1438861866 223308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoidal category/Monoidal categories are just 2-categories with a single object. < 1438861975 695454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention < 1438861976 698000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1438862008 623818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1438862011 621767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last sentence is new? < 1438862056 848351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, someone added an invention (either sex or BDSM, I can't quite recall) which I was uncomfortable with the idea of having invented < 1438862103 718372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stated such and the tanebvention wisdom was edited into the form you see now < 1438862103 924135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1438862110 219578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mroman < 1438862112 354947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function. He's also an artist in unconventional warfare. < 1438862144 814558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Password hashes that are worse than the identity function in what sense? < 1438862169 35133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash = password + date_of_birth < 1438862181 931768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be worse than hash = password (the identity function) < 1438862187 678595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't quite remember what it was. < 1438862377 942350 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438862527 888301 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438862653 745315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general it is recommended to do a high-pass filter and then a low-pass filter on the password before hashing. < 1438862691 384816 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438862885 858343 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438864431 321367 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438864473 318341 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-195-30.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1438864693 348320 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438865472 662058 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-195-30.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438865996 392328 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438866078 51910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... limit 20;" "108 rows in result set" < 1438866091 9126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's an order-of-magnitude limit. < 1438866172 381107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438866352 21339 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1438866952 578728 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438867366 800593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's scientific notation < 1438867628 109937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it was just a confused fizzie. < 1438867645 411684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or arguably confusing output formatting. < 1438869109 288163 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FreeFull < 1438869110 463085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. < 1438869226 975674 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the gift finland gives the world? < 1438869288 89415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Free perkeles < 1438869401 290364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i be sad if finland vanished overnight? < 1438869419 724456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd lose the prime source of mämmi in the world. < 1438869443 111417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it'd cause pretty nasty tsunamis < 1438869584 4964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because suddenly there would be a lot of nothing where land used to be < 1438869591 307319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the sea would try to rush into that space < 1438869606 707478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how deep would it vanish to < 1438869613 111530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This could be devestating to much of North, Central, and East Europe < 1438869654 720741 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What if just all the people vanished? < 1438869659 165847 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438869684 153872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean legally finland has sovereignty over all the rock underneath it, right? < 1438869692 676963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt vanish into vacuum. it vanishes as a culture. the landmass exists as a part of sweden < 1438869698 501621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, then it'd most likely be colonized by Russia, which would change the geopolitics of the world < 1438869729 448740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like fizzies answer. mammi looks delicious. < 1438869759 580537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Originally mämmi was eaten during lent. Its laxative properties were associated with purification and purging." < 1438869768 24452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow great dessert < 1438869807 30321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :binge eat. mammi purge. binge eat some more. best holiday. < 1438869813 510347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Any person who tries to enter past the borders would disappear too < 1438869832 97107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that stage it's become a serious and troubling scientific anomaly < 1438869842 775942 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438869850 924873 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any animals, machines, etc are not affected < 1438869852 346277 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only humans < 1438869881 40692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think that's probably going to be the primary effect it has? < 1438869893 344304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that include people flying through the airspace < 1438870103 296111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically our thought experiment to determine the value of finland is 'if finland was annihilated and replaced with some crazy lacanian scar on the face of the world, would anyone really notice?' < 1438870166 551688 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438870170 123420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lacanian < 1438870171 241017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacanian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438870437 786132 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438870687 250986 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1438870687 305271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1438870759 193753 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438870769 823221 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438870773 890738 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438871313 861685 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1438871973 180018 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438872116 689064 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438872256 324514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438873903 374962 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-195-30.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1438874331 342921 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438875850 351068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438875929 643484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438876235 258699 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438877095 331983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438877284 511730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438877645 90107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438877680 443911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 996 < 1438877682 376096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 996: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1438877692 524891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438877879 942197 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-195-30.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438878475 796828 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438878657 426041 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-191-104.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1438880275 734554 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-237-208-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438882060 528590 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-237-208-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438882228 348377 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-237-208-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438882236 342189 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438882377 284552 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438882377 385395 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1438882377 439647 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438883363 959762 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-237-208-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438883838 678862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438883984 994272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438884213 669796 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438884428 620174 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438884486 104591 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1438884614 622702 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438884729 650977 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438884834 820388 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438885251 648192 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design an Esoteric Compiler Compiler < 1438885262 370081 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to help? < 1438885266 456482 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1438885312 364951 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438885312 465903 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: Well it'd be an Esoteric language < 1438885315 595637 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For parser generation < 1438885336 433953 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily one for generating parser generators for other langs < 1438885412 422533 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: Get it? < 1438885487 398073 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-2-27.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that basically what Thue is? < 1438885497 996032 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1438885511 721714 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue is a String Rewriting Language < 1438885518 823062 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't generate parsers < 1438885572 342879 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: So no, I'm pretty sure Thue isn't an ECC < 1438886105 55708 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438887187 151505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hanoi Love14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43697&oldid=43559 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+125) 10Lots of cats < 1438887993 559700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438888244 763185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let type BF = String; newtype X a b = X ((BF -> a) -> b); class B f a where {fromB :: BF -> f a}; instance a ~ b => B (X a) b where {fromB bf = X ($ bf)}; instance (b ~ X (f a) c, B f a) => B ((->) b) c where {fromB bf (X f) = f (fromB . (bf ++))}; class L a where {loop :: a}; instance (B f a1, b ~ f a1, L (X b (a -> b))) => L (a -> b) where loop = fromB "" (loop :: X b (a -> b)) < 1438888245 924667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:161:26: < 1438888246 26789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘loop’ < 1438888246 81089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.loop’, defined at .L.hs:158:9 < 1438888250 774115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1438888270 403542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this an "either" over a set of one element? < 1438888296 375564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let type BF = String; newtype X a b = X ((BF -> a) -> b); class B f a where {fromB :: BF -> f a}; instance a ~ b => B (X a) b where {fromB bf = X ($ bf)}; instance (b ~ X (f a) c, B f a) => B ((->) b) c where {fromB bf (X f) = f (fromB . (bf ++))}; class L a where {lopp :: a}; instance (B f a1, b ~ f a1, L (X b (a -> b))) => L (a -> b) where lopp = fromB "" (lopp :: X b (a -> b)) < 1438888297 627156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1438888306 679775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance a ~ b => L (X a (() -> b)) where {lopp = X $ \c () -> c "[]"}; instance f b ~ X a c => L (X a (f b -> c)) where {lopp = X $ \c (X f) -> f $ c . ('[':) . (++"]")}; plus = fromB "+"; minus = fromB "-"; run :: X BF BF -> BF; run (X f) = f id < 1438888307 792935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:166:10: < 1438888307 889731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (c ~ b) < 1438888307 943981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (f b ~ X a c) < 1438888316 668968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now wtf < 1438888349 323621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this might actually be a 7.10.1 bug < 1438888360 497115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've finally upgraded < 1438888382 98037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance a ~ b => L (X a (() -> b)) where {lopp = X $ \c () -> c "[]"}; instance f ~ X a, b ~ c => L (X a (f b -> c)) where {lopp = X $ \c (X f) -> f $ c . ('[':) . (++"]")}; plus = fromB "+"; minus = fromB "-"; run :: X BF BF -> BF; run (X f) = f id < 1438888382 447128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Illegal instance declaration < 1438888388 822715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1438888402 140359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance a ~ b => L (X a (() -> b)) where {lopp = X $ \c () -> c "[]"}; instance (f ~ X a, b ~ c) => L (X a (f b -> c)) where {lopp = X $ \c (X f) -> f $ c . ('[':) . (++"]")}; plus = fromB "+"; minus = fromB "-"; run :: X BF BF -> BF; run (X f) = f id < 1438888403 163471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1438888406 367781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. < 1438888423 495072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1438888423 549260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 8h 53m 5s ago: I sense that all the suggested syntaxes have some trouble with programs like [[]+] < 1438888431 326190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ loop () loop (plus loop () minus) plus < 1438888432 508814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a0 (b0, d1) (c0, d1) -> a0 b0 c0, < 1438888432 607214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : d0) < 1438888432 661516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (t0 -> f1 a3 -> X BF BF, d0)’ < 1438888437 740695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit < 1438888448 194962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works perfectly well in ghci < 1438888507 731262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plus minus < 1438888509 531632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show (f0 a0)) < 1438888509 586060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M76052192180943569186544’ < 1438888509 671637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘f0’, ‘a0’ are ambiguous < 1438888513 950674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus minus < 1438888516 473001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+-" < 1438888522 490836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ loop () < 1438888523 806320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘X (BF, d0) (BF, d0)’ < 1438888523 860656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘()’ < 1438888523 860706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of ‘loop’, namely ‘()’ < 1438888551 321229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf goes wrong < 1438888551 524668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the not believing you, governor? < 1438888573 237617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1438888576 629194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/loop/lopp/g hth < 1438888601 656396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ lopp () lopp (plus lopp () minux) plus < 1438888603 22698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘minux’ < 1438888603 77016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘minus’ (line 169) < 1438888605 963782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ lopp () lopp (plus lopp () minus) plus < 1438888607 386075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (B f a) arising from a use of ‘lopp’ < 1438888607 489129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘f’, ‘a’ are ambiguous < 1438888607 543319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1438888608 599901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1438888615 877695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, back to you < 1438888624 521232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lopp () < 1438888625 822016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show (f0 a10)) < 1438888625 922901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M41538240618094895006637’ < 1438888625 977140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘f0’, ‘a10’ are ambiguous < 1438888626 839870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1438888632 96846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ lopp () < 1438888633 826381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[]" < 1438888638 255085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ lopp plus < 1438888639 770437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (L (X (X BF BF) (f0 a0 -> X BF BF))) < 1438888639 850435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?) < 1438888639 904770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘lopp’ < 1438888698 262792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lopp plus < 1438888699 406795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (k :: BOX) (k1 :: BOX) (f :: k -> *) (a :: k) (f1 :: k1 -> *) (a1 :: k1). (L (X (f1 a1) (f a -> f1 a1)), B f a, B f1 a1) => f1 a1 < 1438888703 27060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is wonderful < 1438888711 963781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your version is so much more complicated < 1438888722 647411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did you solve it too < 1438888734 732071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1438888741 491577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more complicated than the version that didn't support lopps < 1438888769 984527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this version doesn't support lopps either as far as i can tell hth < 1438888788 13918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in ghci 7.10.2 ;_; < 1438888862 78017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the unportability? < 1438888887 216412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's one of the bugs that was fixed < 1438888962 77936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of https://hackage.haskell.org/package/HoleyMonoid-0.1.1/docs/Data-HoleyMonoid.html < 1438888964 17256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if they'd included the right release notes < 1438888985 883636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I'm listed in the authors list of for some reason. < 1438888988 644016 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438889039 176576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably because X = HoleyMonoid BF < 1438889263 575394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1438889291 670796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus loop plus < 1438889293 194380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘a0 (b0, d0) (c0, d0) -> a0 b0 c0’ < 1438889293 248700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘X (f a) (f0 a1 -> X BF BF)’ < 1438889293 303137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of ‘($)’, namely ‘plus loop plus’ < 1438889302 68433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1438889305 829060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus lopp plus < 1438889307 180832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (B f a) arising from a use of ‘plus’ < 1438889307 322819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘f’, ‘a’ are ambiguous < 1438889307 378254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1438889321 541502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1438889340 832542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's about that thing where it doesn't follow instances right < 1438889408 442971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :run $ plus minus < 1438889414 706611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1438889417 483067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus minus < 1438889419 254857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+-" < 1438889459 334441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus lopp () < 1438889461 497989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+[]" < 1438889469 227284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus lopp () minus < 1438889470 884506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+[]-" < 1438889481 835538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the empty case seems to work, hm < 1438889514 798037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ lopp () minus < 1438889517 90793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[]-" < 1438889521 886978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that one < 1438889532 998712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that leaves maybe just one instance with problems < 1438889647 831963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1438889687 732966 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438889690 716500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ plus lopp minus < 1438889691 970056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (B f a) arising from a use of ‘plus’ < 1438889692 74411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘f’, ‘a’ are ambiguous < 1438889692 128722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1438890030 889265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait what... < 1438890139 553897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1438890139 689976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1438890143 264499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type BF = String; newtype X a b = X ((BF -> a) -> b); class B f (a :: *) where {fromB :: BF -> f a}; instance a ~ b => B (X a) b where {fromB bf = X ($ bf)}; instance (b ~ X (f a) c, B f a) => B ((->) b) c where {fromB bf (X f) = f (fromB . (bf ++))}; class L a where {lopp :: a}; instance (B f a1, b ~ f a1, L (X b (a -> b))) => L (a -> b) where lopp = fromB "" (lopp :: X b (a -> b)) < 1438890149 216713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1438890151 820943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let type BF = String; newtype X a b = X ((BF -> a) -> b); class B f (a :: *) where {fromB :: BF -> f a}; instance a ~ b => B (X a) b where {fromB bf = X ($ bf)}; instance (b ~ X (f a) c, B f a) => B ((->) b) c where {fromB bf (X f) = f (fromB . (bf ++))}; class L a where {lopp :: a}; instance (B f a1, b ~ f a1, L (X b (a -> b))) => L (a -> b) where lopp = fromB "" (lopp :: X b (a -> b)) < 1438890153 217886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1438890165 723103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance a ~ b => L (X a (() -> b)) where {lopp = X $ \c () -> c "[]"}; instance f b ~ X a c => L (X a (f b -> c)) where {lopp = X $ \c (X f) -> f $ c . ('[':) . (++"]")}; plus = fromB "+"; minus = fromB "-"; run :: X BF BF -> BF; run (X f) = f id < 1438890166 792467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:166:10: < 1438890166 846900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (c ~ b) < 1438890166 901116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (f b ~ X a c) < 1438890169 988043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1438890193 466953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance a ~ b => L (X a (() -> b)) where {lopp = X $ \c () -> c "[]"}; instance (f ~ X a, b ~ c) => L (X a (f b -> c)) where {lopp = X $ \c (X f) -> f $ c . ('[':) . (++"]")}; plus = fromB "+"; minus = fromB "-"; run :: X BF BF -> BF; run (X f) = f id < 1438890194 803431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1438890225 78999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ loop () loop (plus loop () minus) plus < 1438890226 682229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a0 (b0, d1) (c0, d1) -> a0 b0 c0, < 1438890226 736652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : d0) < 1438890226 736732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (t0 -> f1 a3 -> X BF BF, d0)’ < 1438890229 873109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1438890237 12989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1438890251 632942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> run $ lopp () lopp (plus lopp () minus) plus < 1438890253 336531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[][+[]-]+" < 1438890255 914176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew! < 1438890258 48880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1438890262 919180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1438890266 582038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1438890267 446094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was PolyKinds messing things up < 1438890272 506860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now make it work with OverloadedLists twh < 1438890278 824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAA < 1438890279 872174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PolyKinds does that. < 1438890302 526410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for one little detail, that context i had to split < 1438890352 13596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and how do you represent the empty program? twh < 1438890415 996325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1438890438 767798 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438890467 900432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just make run a class method then you can use (), i think < 1438890499 923204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm < 1438890524 665022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do befunge twhib < 1438890585 110972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438890602 281480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, is this an "either" over a set of one element? <-- no it just got cut off, the other is from Control.Arrow, i think < 1438890651 249631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what ais523 meant. < 1438891001 655 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1438891022 76677 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438891051 146154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does "shouldn't bother funding his IRA" mean "will die and not be resurrected"? < 1438891475 686933 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438891519 622541 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-191-104.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438891693 529980 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438891725 490333 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.33.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438891764 553767 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438891778 496109 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438891812 447812 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I got netsplit? < 1438891815 932296 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, [16:08] What's IRA? < 1438891901 588479 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438891922 459595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream, somehow I don't think it's the terrorist group < 1438891925 699117 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.33.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438891925 753253 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438891970 492220 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it what Pixiv tags that translate to "thanks for your IRA" are reffering to? < 1438892024 789424 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1438892101 330198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smallfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43698&oldid=43696 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+267) 10/* Binary counter */ < 1438892131 601735 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438892249 189478 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@50.141.35.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438892275 40812 :Froox!~Frooxius@50.141.33.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438892900 876364 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438893318 56231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Brandt 5* 10New user account < 1438893366 385436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't remember the IRA part, but i remember the oracle's worthing as "last breath _ever_". < 1438893522 19533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this was supposed to be just a short break because i couldn't sleep once i had the haskell idea -> < 1438893532 742781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Night < 1438893602 137032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43699&oldid=43472 5* 03Brandt 5* (+282) 10Add Hodor per example at http://www.hodor-lang.org < 1438893660 21504 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438894131 622362 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438894729 236005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Krobb 5* 10New user account < 1438895074 551433 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438895157 327005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438895210 645784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i suppose that could mean being a vampire and so on < 1438895267 677646 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438895414 667053 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 PART :#esoteric < 1438895634 514696 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1438895770 219738 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438895855 197422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43700&oldid=43595 5* 03Krobb 5* (+446) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ Added an idea for an esolang based on "the penis game" (Bottom of page) < 1438895904 887212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I even want to look at this edit? < 1438895932 32177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's terrible in a different way to the way I expected < 1438896299 909513 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1438896619 187968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438896982 255085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every piece of Perl 6 code I've seen so far has been mostly readable, but that could be because only sane people currently care about Perl 6, if it gets popular will it get unreadable? < 1438897037 410911 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438897044 271770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently robot heads in Questionable Content can work separate from the robot body, just like in Star Wars, and they can be reattached to the body easily < 1438897359 448358 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438897450 616810 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438897471 323698 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438897471 377974 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438897471 378027 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438897594 849173 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1438904991 452469 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╀╁╂╃╄╅╆╇╈╉╊╋┼┽┾┿ < 1438905477 66323 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⅠⅡⅢⅣⅤⅥⅦⅧⅨⅩⅪⅫⅬⅭⅮⅯ < 1438905485 174991 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⅐⅑⅒⅓⅔⅕⅖⅗⅘⅙⅚⅛⅜⅝⅞⅟ < 1438905648 90322 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438906497 775791 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438906544 699996 :avonis!~avonis@41.100.218.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438906622 846203 :avonis!~avonis@41.100.218.81 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1438907433 353813 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438907603 517734 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438908309 573453 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438908764 601790 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438909432 569853 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438910440 374371 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438910533 949721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438910887 843652 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1438910932 377246 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438911124 108111 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1438911566 635289 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438911609 873484 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1438911802 505506 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438912434 553089 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1438912592 908172 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1438912650 462511 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1438913026 656130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43701&oldid=43688 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+817) 10/* BF Constants Cleanup */ < 1438913972 648364 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438913983 400731 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438915580 774855 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪⡪ < 1438916348 881853 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1438916535 688612 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438916588 406161 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1438916594 239757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :⩊⩆⩛⸮ < 1438916600 725933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :⩊ ⩆ ⩛ ⸮ < 1438916850 155552 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1438916867 380705 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438918689 818985 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1438919362 410566 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438919743 991806 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438919854 374 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438920299 731951 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438920395 766803 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438920469 407156 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438921819 985447 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438922019 617350 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438922564 291319 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :'COBOL was intended to a be a highly portable, "common" language. However, by 2001, around 300 dialects had been created.' < 1438922572 770787 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1438923145 842100 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commonly diverged. < 1438923172 940759 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true of many, many languages < 1438923194 443329 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess not the design part < 1438923196 657492 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1438925527 634475 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438926471 633852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438926789 391924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: i suppose that could mean being a vampire and so on <-- i think we've clearly established vampires aren't the same people as the originals. < 1438926808 811972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, well, some other kind of undead thing < 1438926816 464077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why vampires were on my mind < 1438926832 297210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a golem like crystal was < 1438926849 478579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently her keeping her personality was unusual. < 1438926865 521788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wasn't her personality but a clone of it < 1438926876 446362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i http://themindi.blogspot.com/2007/02/chapter-23-unfortunate-dualist.html < 1438927153 132854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of a story about the buddha i read in tezuka's manga < 1438927179 833857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he resurrected a dead girl, but he did it by return an essentially _random_ soul into her body < 1438927189 744970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*returning < 1438927224 219949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because souls had no individuality preserved once they left the body < 1438927424 680085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the theory in that book that there's just one global soul that zips back and forth between everyone zillions of times a second. < 1438927469 942266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have thought similar ideas < 1438927497 320684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if continuous identity is an illusion < 1438927515 570374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we really are a random person each moment < 1438927537 307477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm. Thief of Time. < 1438927588 315123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: those books by smullyan talk about all sorts of things along those lines < 1438927589 363662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't read that, but is now reminded of michael ende's momo < 1438927592 153825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1438927596 708190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, Momo < 1438927604 553288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :momo is nice, too. < 1438927613 853847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very well known around here < 1438927635 331965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read all sorts of german children's books < 1438927677 329269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very difficult to get a copy of Jim Knopf in English around here. :-( < 1438927709 168159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one printing decades ago or something. < 1438927724 242388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays the copies that are floating around cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. < 1438927965 331433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1438927970 145250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember _The 35th of May_? < 1438928002 647034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1438928021 547105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about _The Flying Classroom_ < 1438928048 29432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1438928053 840497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looj < 1438928060 351524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about _Emil and the Detectives_ < 1438928063 153574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that one < 1438928109 367913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. < 1438928135 925366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1438928270 866876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438928273 993952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Locomotive-trip-Complete-Works-button/dp/4000920413 < 1438928287 80683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling slightly suspicious about this product for some reason < 1438928745 969173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Englisch Lernen mit Jim Knopf und Lukas dem Lokomotiv-Führer 1 by Michael Ende" < 1438928948 406051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound gut zu mir < 1438929889 244821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1438929894 163062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I tell browser to cache my css < 1438930269 221798 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dosen't look like my hoster supports mod_headers or mod_expires < 1438931591 766473 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438932503 318201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What? < 1438932525 396461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: see shachaf's line < 1438933082 646295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43702&oldid=43687 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+103) 10Fix the >255 examples too. < 1438933216 158069 :deka!~mhmm@cpe-23-243-165-23.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438933247 78271 :deka!~mhmm@cpe-23-243-165-23.socal.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1438933308 478167 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438933457 395559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.finanzmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/vergleich-kosten-franchisen-4k.gif < 1438933460 566043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat diagram < 1438933661 52166 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the 300 and 2.5k Franchise are actually useful < 1438933682 606173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other ones don't really need to even exist < 1438934288 347790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the Go Pro Chest-Harness Angle totally sucks < 1438934296 623801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like filming the floor < 1438934790 264478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43703&oldid=43701 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+752) 10/* BF Constants Cleanup */ < 1438935057 757146 :Pirozhok-ii!~androirc@ip68-230-50-247.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438935131 611359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What moron uses sprintf %s for queries < 1438935166 469031 :Pirozhok-ii!~androirc@ip68-230-50-247.ph.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Quit" < 1438935331 117881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly secured backdoor user that compromises all security measurements. This user is located in file '/db/valid.users' and has user name '****__DO_NOT_REMOVE_THIS_ENTRY__****'. < 1438935335 348979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good username though. < 1438935360 255490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :password = 'nohalp' #DO NOT CHANGE THIS < 1438935674 239595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone, the ICFP contest starts in a few hours. < 1438935716 667648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfpcontest.org/ < 1438936188 254386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time... traveling < 1438936207 596690 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438936575 854815 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438936944 88221 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438936944 277819 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1438936944 332169 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438937415 362034 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438937524 981184 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438937540 344082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit < 1438937562 511274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressed q by accident in one of tatham's puzzles again < 1438937585 688642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when aiming for 1) < 1438937682 299155 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438938367 349059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/html.html < 1438938370 739896 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :single best page on the web . < 1438938411 764663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1438938671 617397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cl-informatik.uibk.ac.at/users/bf3/tmp/bot/b/IMG_1161.JPG < 1438938728 269686 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438938775 927923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that's prettier) < 1438938779 834815 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sergeant Atham's puzzles. < 1438938844 570317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Run run < 1438940658 158233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you know füngöt? < 1438940658 363681 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how do you represent an expression and an environment, a compiler will error if you add loops. the c/ c++ < 1438940670 769667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's not a good compiler then. < 1438940670 872531 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i can initialize an accumulator at the first < 1438940697 724058 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn füngöt is the french pronunciation of fungot. < 1438940723 586825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'füngöt': füngöt is the french pronunciation of fungot. < 1438941396 326451 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438941565 925120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this new algorithm can't remove reflections from a single image < 1438941580 453224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but requires a serious of images with different angles < 1438941586 76064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still very impressive though. < 1438942444 716055 :__256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438942627 90416 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438942814 912502 :__256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438943030 46805 :__256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438943038 556198 :__256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 NICK :_256Q < 1438943039 930944 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438943398 957309 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438943481 245707 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438943503 568372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438943526 108825 :mtve-!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438943690 61928 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438943706 95534 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944108 421134 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944301 298760 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944301 353499 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944301 469469 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944301 907991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944301 965680 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944301 965773 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vuytyynuwtidahdm QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944302 957767 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944303 12062 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1438944556 405712 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460308 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460384 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460454 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460484 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vuytyynuwtidahdm JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460515 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438944556 460546 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1438945356 455205 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn füngöt/Füngöt is the French pronunciation of fungot. < 1438945356 699155 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: quite tired even though slept at least seven hours. ping. but! the soon-to-come new, shiny version will be run on < 1438945371 56492 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are füngöt. < 1438945371 262055 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mine isn't that elegant, i guess. < 1438945373 391092 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «füngöt» < 1438945429 395609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mrelloman. wouldn't «fûngôt» be frenchier than the diæresed version? < 1438945451 291692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, füngöt is the German pronunciation < 1438945470 71817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun-goat is the English pronunciation < 1438945554 202208 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. what about fűngőt? < 1438945669 796441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, that looks strange < 1438946219 724274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :füngöt uses german letters to describe how stereotypical french people would pronounce it ;P < 1438946233 270842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. how german thinks they would pronounce it < 1438946244 304638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no data of an actual french speaker is yet available < 1438946276 673379 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm a French speaker. < 1438946357 482179 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fʌn'gʌt/ is pretty close to how I say it. < 1438946362 82845 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438946384 704055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't we got fun. < 1438946393 368918 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats fungot < 1438946393 423337 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i know the basics < 1438946409 932299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Basics of French? < 1438946410 162246 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would be cool. i looked up web 2.0" me, earlier today i used ' globally' loosely ther < 1438946439 846621 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: オタク鶏 < 1438946820 224170 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438946845 1823 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1438946867 337413 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1438946911 163248 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes the zora queen is here < 1438946918 865707 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1438946919 999841 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from linkbetweenworlds < 1438946923 356383 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1438946952 32543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way < 1438946955 332804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, welcome back < 1438946955 435736 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: phew. got the prob. < 1438946968 326835 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungots back < 1438946970 532451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yeah, me to, me to, but it will end in a week < 1438946970 737394 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah. just that it turns fnord operators into fnord and then nickname < 1438946999 40597 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot is replying like a human < 1438947071 777069 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a sentient robot with one flaw: fungot only responds when mentioned < 1438947071 879819 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i hope sarahbot has restraint built in on those evals)) < 1438947108 371934 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1438947122 646652 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438947255 284508 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1438949321 587132 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, fungot's replies are oddly relevant < 1438949321 693076 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: the compilation is well-typed? you run two, one after another, like soldiers marching into the sea.... xd < 1438949345 441056 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use Markov chains? < 1438949350 35193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: lemmings. they're lemmings, not soldiers. < 1438949350 180526 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the same line numbers any more power than simple transfers etc. < 1438949358 406724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no. < 1438949358 619161 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i like the fact that it's the most i've seen of frtime and flapjax they actually use dataflow to only update things when needed as opposed to < 1438949369 881045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's actually a different layer. < 1438949370 199068 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't really feel like wgetting a video, opening up xine and deleting a file just to see if the c-intercal install works. i don't < 1438949427 531419 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438949647 119587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some sort of tetris? < 1438949961 547246 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm spending the morning feeding a cute tiny dog bits of chicken < 1438950050 526373 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/3b123c4ec05a95dd4b09 I just thought up a simple stack-based language, not sure if it's turing complete < 1438950068 874391 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty annoying to write in though < 1438950071 307048 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see hello world < 1438950077 444187 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1438950129 623523 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :def not. needs some sort of loop either recursive or jumping < 1438950164 53627 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it has a loop < 1438950165 452986 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has jumping < 1438950189 844896 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it probably is < 1438950253 149532 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still one instruction I want to add, but I don't know what to have HELP do < 1438950262 400883 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe HELP would get a number from input? < 1438950282 499090 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no numeric output so that doesn't make too much sense < 1438950298 363000 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need another memory other than the stack < 1438950319 263726 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now this is a PushDownAutomatorn < 1438950352 325902 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1438950354 465531 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a rotate-stack instruction could also work) < 1438950363 791441 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1438950367 223731 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotate-stack would work < 1438950460 596145 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe HELP can rotate the entire stack by 1 < 1438951711 112025 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438952093 957776 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would indeed give a lot of help. < 1438952162 363604 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438952290 631654 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the test programs, you might want to rename I to OH, and WITH to MAN. < 1438953310 591184 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438953452 86972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438954452 24415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438954580 265646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438955076 594548 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1438955642 597349 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438956646 11317 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438956668 374348 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438956685 649500 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438956700 515834 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438956943 156256 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438956955 521753 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438956980 581058 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438957053 648054 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438957560 126048 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a VB.NET Parser in Haskell? < 1438957661 298321 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Quit: I'm outta here < 1438958440 586910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do something horrific < 1438958444 375375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like compiling Lisp to VBS! < 1438958446 456651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or VBA < 1438958455 591583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's your fungod now! < 1438958780 770591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.RLON> validateAgainst "main ::= (def #NAME [(args {#NAME})])" "(def main)" < 1438958784 321209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1438958787 939731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap. My RLON validator has a bug? < 1438958857 821749 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic isn't as bad as PHP. < 1438958899 365385 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual basic has consistency, even if it's the consistency of vomit < 1438958953 444557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Data.RLON> validateAgainst "main ::= (def #NAME {(args {#NAME})})" "(def main)" < 1438958956 990268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1438958961 94397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be True as well o_O < 1438959086 972401 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1438959098 54328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.engineering.zhaw.ch/munt/RLON/blob/master/src/Data/RLON.hs#L63 < 1438959102 605403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that is the issue < 1438959481 967873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah < 1438959486 654832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :v:vs probably does not match empty lists < 1438959846 14584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :matches_t m (RLON_T_Object key ((RLON_T_Optional a):vs)) (RLON_Object key' []) = True should fix that < 1438960184 76624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu < 1438960186 676078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too buggy :( < 1438960341 530875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{[$arg]} and [{$arg}] aren't really working < 1438960414 326561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1438960425 754720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{$arg}] and {[$arg]} are the same thing as {$arg} anyway < 1438960629 85457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/fYyWA8kr <- ok that works now < 1438960629 291461 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438960679 535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except 'exp' will also match invalid ifs < 1438960679 618674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1438960751 818332 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my validation language isn't powerful enough to check lisp programs :( < 1438960906 329785 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438960985 559358 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438961655 612886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438961967 594242 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438962025 143007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? füngöt < 1438962033 701275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Füngöt is the French pronunciation of fungot. < 1438962077 602332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` run sed -i 's/French/German/' wisdom/füngöt < 1438962078 876809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run run run < 1438962085 712057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/French/German/' wisdom/füngöt < 1438962091 27808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1438962106 779868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: please show some linguistic plausibility twh < 1438962250 303211 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438963118 3044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns that each ghci line with a declaration is its own module < 1438963140 656136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :named GhciN where N is the line number < 1438963289 919641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :each line of output is also its own module, named GhcouT < 1438963314 889856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION skeptical < 1438963321 283635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1438963349 786921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats his swatter. "This is below your dignity." < 1438963369 567889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not realize it was possible to stoop so low < 1438963376 924759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you do < 1438963397 720278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :swat of the FireFly, governor? < 1438963478 514712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw here's how to see it: data A = A\nlet x = A\ndata A = A\n:t x < 1438963559 155059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was of course testing if there were any other way to confuse ghci about the identity of entities, or their TypeReps. looks pretty safe so far. < 1438963592 563004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the way someone else made a different version of the bf thing < 1438963598 312196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/138141 < 1438963601 748618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci lines and loaded (non-package) modules get thrown into package interactive and main, respectively. < 1438963709 508770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this is all written somewhere. < 1438963751 804748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that doth look simpler < 1438963807 977309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou dost look simpler hth < 1438963936 39983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cleaned the code up as surely as i clean windows, and boily doth wisdom.pdf, and thou dost dust < 1438963970 390972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's with the (loop' ...) syntax rather than loop (...) < 1438963993 788647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1438964011 588758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think that has the [[]+] problem < 1438964025 494577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1438964044 68851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]+ problem < 1438964062 855116 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438964109 569861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1438964122 941626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to test < 1438964181 285795 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1438964249 13461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _is_ with people pasting code and leaving out all the pragmas < 1438964257 318991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: pure evil) < 1438964274 495483 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438964304 959867 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/3b123c4ec05a95dd4b09 I have now included the interpreter, made sure to use bad programming conventions while programming it. < 1438964308 296732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND TABS TOO < 1438964320 617233 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also swapped OH with AM and MAN with WITH < 1438964382 769353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> run $ loop' plus < 1438964382 914833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[+]" < 1438964404 278045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now how do you get []+ < 1438964415 104065 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those unaware this is based on http://www.reddit.com/r/ooer < 1438964446 814208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side, it should only break at the top level < 1438964531 489683 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to try again for a hello world program lol < 1438964767 565029 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438964953 851058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, that < 1438965683 964566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA boily's chickens are turning japanese < 1438966086 576561 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vuytyynuwtidahdm QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438966098 453468 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: create a C++ object called _ such that you can take a bf program, place _ all over it, and prepend #include "bf.hpp" and it will comile and run < 1438966141 718309 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+] becomes _[_+_] < 1438966268 285697 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yjqymbrlsngvpira JOIN :#esoteric < 1438966331 553962 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-]+++[>++<+] becomes _[_-_]_+++_[_>_++_<_+_] < 1438966369 52566 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any other series like that that fits c++ grammar) < 1438966801 297369 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438967279 429982 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think _++_ is lega? < 1438967281 445765 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :legal < 1438967293 708980 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohw ait < 1438967296 774221 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary + < 1438967299 839156 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1438967301 148901 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is a C++ template version of brainfuck < 1438967705 354490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Iisu 5* 10New user account < 1438967994 377865 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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< 1438974337 613935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 24107, 16552, 12125, 9427, 13152, 21440, 3383, 6873, 16117, < 1438974431 363825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thansk < 1438974494 46496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that the example implementation of rand() in the C standard, but translated to Perl? < 1438974558 308726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a random generator, I don't know if it's the one in the C standard or not, but it's the linear congruence random generator used in ICFP 2015, and the seed and output sequence given in the specs so you can verify your implementation of it. < 1438974579 68915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think it's the one in the C standard < 1438974586 168063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when is ICFP 2015? has it already happened? < 1438974594 945707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in a mood to participate but I'm curious about what the challenge is < 1438974621 719391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://icfpcontest.org/ < 1438974626 593442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :happening right now < 1438974631 446082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, they have their own website now? < 1438974638 308405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to use random pages on universities' servers < 1438974658 850169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's indeed a well-known random generator sequence, called gsl_rng_rand in libgsl, and let me check if the C++ standard or boost has it too < 1438974664 349380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, started 8 hours ago < 1438974698 733385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they have had that domain name for a few years now, which is sad, because it means last year's website isn't accessible now, and for three years they haven't bothered to link to the websites of previous years' contests < 1438974712 376966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1438974728 334275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have links for the 2013 and 2012 contests, and to a list of the previous ones, though some of the older ones' websites are not accessible anymore < 1438974732 270349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have them archived though < 1438974751 76756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfpc2013.cloudapp.net/ , http://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/ , http://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/previous-contests/ < 1438974791 253564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, on freenode, at least #icfp-contest and #haskell-blah has some discussion about the contest < 1438975059 411479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, C++ standard doesn't have that particular random generator predefined, and in fact, std::linear_congruential_engine can't even be parametrized in a way that it gives exactly that < 1438975064 925655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1438975294 301588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the C++ standard and boost doesn't have an implementation for this particular rng, only gsl does, but of course you can implement it in like one short line (shorter than what I gave above, that one has way too many parenthesis and operations) < 1438975358 44095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a golf contest < 1438975364 565477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some joker would probably win it just by using rand() < 1438975376 384554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um... what? < 1438975382 694232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438975414 312671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ICFP 2004 has used a similar linear congruence generator in the specs, but not exactly this one < 1438975526 160295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use one that might be using a multiplier origianl to them < 1438975548 169089 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1438975583 814811 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438975784 653460 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438975803 137105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -emy$f=22695477;my$t=1;my$s=12345;for my$k(0..39){ 3<$k and print $s>>16&(1<<14)-1,", "; $s= $s*$f+$t&(1<<32)-1; } # ICFP 2004 random generator < 1438975808 849258 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7193, 2932, 10386, 5575, 100, 15976, 430, 9740, 9449, 1636, 11030, 9848, 13965, 16051, 14483, 6708, 5184, 15931, 7014, 461, 11371, 5856, 2136, 9139, 1684, 15900, 10236, 13297, 1364, 6876, 15687, 14127, 11387, 13469, 11860, 15589, < 1438975843 110200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not original to them, it's the generator used in the borland C compiler library < 1438975894 920892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator#Parameters_in_common_use which lists both of these < 1438976423 668714 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438976458 564626 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs in clojure or rust besides brainfuck implementations yet? < 1438976976 433853 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438977071 320726 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438977137 138061 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438977230 254639 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_A_Work: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Rust < 1438977296 599748 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, deadfish ... < 1438977306 444441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish doesn't really count < 1438977343 647144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an implementation of eodermdrome < 1438977606 990077 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438977622 899840 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make in implementation of Eodermdrome in Rust's macro system < 1438978443 11129 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about doing some kind of really irritating stack based language < 1438978485 701565 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :like forth? :P < 1438978505 832289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or FALSE, or Underload... < 1438978512 955198 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438978743 998094 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not funciton? < 1438978994 250044 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1438979190 519497 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438979238 211533 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438979712 227682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: flying to new york today < 1438979721 767488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can i expect to find any haskell compilers < 1438979730 413368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you've misunderstood the name < 1438979740 529109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the New (York Haskell Compiler) < 1438979774 848847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was a compiler that compiled New (York Haskell) < 1438979825 652264 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438979832 573160 :E7D4A1B8!~A5D3B7C2@130.227.60.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438979966 425415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZ < 1438980014 89622 :E7D4A1B8!~A5D3B7C2@130.227.60.189 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1438980059 603145 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1438980082 85467 :E7D4A1B8!~A5D3B7C2@130.227.60.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438980173 322729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a common misunderstanding < 1438980212 783060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? wasn't it compiled in Glasgow? < 1438980218 653889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it compiled "New Haskell", and the York was an infix operator. < 1438980225 779077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not really.) < 1438980276 641434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie < 1438980391 259635 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438980460 679674 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438980493 519896 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aearnus_: that was so gonna be my joke but then i got distracted. < 1438980520 481367 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438981087 311662 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1438981212 683389 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438981279 41023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it turns out a regular haskeller you might have seen in #haskell is an organizer of ICFP 2015, just like how dcoutts was last year. < 1438981287 731034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we just didn't know that because he was sleeping or something < 1438981295 844846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I hardly ever visit #haskell < 1438981307 455188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe it or not, being in #esoteric doesn't automatically make you a Haskell fanatic :-) < 1438981321 699979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not a fanatic either. but I know you visit multiple channels, so you may have seen him. < 1438981327 836666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that I use OCaml for my day job, I may be contractually obliged to frame-war you now? < 1438981330 370682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you haven't, other people here may have. < 1438981330 904203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Who? < 1438981348 809085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? I don't have to be a fanatic of haskell to join the channel < 1438981359 97310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: join #icfp-contest and find out < 1438981376 489751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to be able to participate in the contest. < 1438981391 365542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you don't have to participate the contest to join a channel < 1438981391 471897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be flying to New York when it starts. < 1438981404 713328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's already started < 1438981453 662858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm going to be on vacation in Sweden when it ends, flying during the contest < 1438981463 56040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a pleasant journey < 1438981503 752752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Joining the channel hasn't answered my question. < 1438981525 640879 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vvgcygykvbkohapv QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1438981531 933454 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it was ME! (it was not me) < 1438981549 2728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the four nicks starting with galois_ (plus galois_yav who is quit now) are organizers < 1438981566 88734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1438981572 225717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just say so? < 1438981650 485019 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bkjlkvbpwnablusa JOIN :#esoteric < 1438981692 678573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh, one of the galois_ folks is an impostor. < 1438981693 566641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe next year I will not accidentally be doing other things during ICFP contest < 1438981701 195328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not non-Galois, but non-organizer. < 1438981706 420914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, though it's hard to tell < 1438981707 308081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629719239381811201 < 1438981726 70450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I asked, and another organizer confirmed him as an organizer in irc < 1438981730 222686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it's confusing < 1438981734 201385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should put that to their homepage < 1438981960 668868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! The ICFP contest homepage now says “The unpredictability of the eldritch forces involved makes it impossible for us to provide precise information on time and memory resource availability during the time of final judgement. However, we can guarantee that sufficient resources will be available to accommodate the overhead of any earthly programming language or runtime system.” < 1438981966 900263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a challenge for esolangers < 1438981986 670864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Diplomacy#Backstabbr doesn't quite live up to the usual wikipedia standards < 1438981988 91982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys have an implemented earthly esolang runtime system with LOTS of resource requirement? < 1438982010 805672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"purely a product of passion"? < 1438982019 957707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can always remove it and see if anyone puts it back < 1438982045 717022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's reasonable for the entry to exist, but it's phrased in a very biased way. < 1438982053 268388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at Wikipedia phrasing, though. < 1438982059 468510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not the kind that needs a second to just start up, because the bytecode loader that loads the library is so big, nor like Java which requires tons of memory because it doesn't share anything between processes; but something that REALLY requires lots of resources. < 1438982061 809339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I should clarify that I wasn't asking anyone else to fix it. < 1438982577 285955 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bkjlkvbpwnablusa QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1438982620 752693 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-skxyxfjdqgaxkarl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438982851 313226 :a21!~CADD@2605:e000:36c1:5500:d63d:7eff:fe5f:1ec2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438983200 567002 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< 1439017711 819928 :zgrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1439017984 121082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on, do you have any questions or complaints please? < 1439018021 98481 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya hppavilion[1] < 1439018034 966566 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1439018043 398796 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unary * and / < 1439018049 734880 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to make that happen < 1439018057 576237 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :that do? < 1439018064 227642 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :would / be reciprocal or something? < 1439018093 684816 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK < 1439018105 614591 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'd be for imaginary numbers? < 1439018244 70966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I complain about Perl6's questionable decision to have truthy/falsey non-Bool items in 'when' and other implicitly smartmatched places to be likely to do the wrong thing? < 1439018365 371798 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can < 1439018368 122140 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to? < 1439018376 179580 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl6 as a whole is a questionable decision < 1439018392 806660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aearnus_, how so? < 1439018449 64362 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just no point < 1439018456 103709 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl5 is a good enough language itself < 1439018472 655213 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the transition from python2 -> python3 but without the incentive of moving to python3 < 1439018500 894306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand looking at Perl5 but Perl6 fascinates me < 1439018515 867330 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely nice as a standalone langauge < 1439018522 382500 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's no successor to perl5 < 1439018530 44268 :zgrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's a completely different language. < 1439018539 595799 :zgrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "completely". < 1439019367 848159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ZOWIE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43704&oldid=34572 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+856) 10/* Turing completeness */ new section < 1439019960 823113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants/Crunchfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43705&oldid=33103 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+14307) 10Finalise. < 1439020921 563301 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-noqslggrkfwbiwhh QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439021011 586440 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pgqrbmixdbnremfz JOIN :#esoteric < 1439021066 590769 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439021139 648843 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439022527 375935 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439026815 50940 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439026885 428084 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1439027303 21558 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pgqrbmixdbnremfz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439027426 522839 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qttlzsbmbumxvsdk JOIN :#esoteric < 1439028267 637837 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Quit: My microwave oven blew the fuse < 1439028980 439612 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439029050 459613 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439029185 206703 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439030171 875832 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439030254 665226 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan ヘロリュアン < 1439030254 767950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439030447 555521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1439030857 509818 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. < 1439030886 487721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not be exactly at maximum mental abilities. it will get worse during the day. < 1439030898 38952 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no alcohol is involved, only a convention. < 1439030919 756490 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.otakuthon.com/2015/home/ < 1439030970 929727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's an anime convention too? < 1439030981 705034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's summer and convention session < 1439031018 902785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in here the Sziget fesztivál is about to start, just when I leave for vacation < 1439031045 928993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'll leave lots of people arriving on the airport when I'm leaving < 1439031050 31145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be lots of chaos < 1439031101 785414 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qttlzsbmbumxvsdk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439031213 596091 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pfbiylrvncqrmvsh JOIN :#esoteric < 1439031260 563208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439031505 942627 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pfbiylrvncqrmvsh QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439031562 331453 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zmgphhufxtsjhljg JOIN :#esoteric < 1439031819 92773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year I did not go to anime convention but maybe next year I might < 1439031869 669806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also apparently a My Little Pony convention going on right now in US-MD < 1439032111 51656 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. < 1439032550 581851 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zmgphhufxtsjhljg QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439033173 695352 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439033468 281198 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lnewmymcgcfaawxr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439034133 944436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you going to ICFP? < 1439034303 352864 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439034392 191974 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/maur < 1439034400 8319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439034405 651997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1439034411 790993 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what? < 1439034485 252610 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. missing two letters. nothing wrong here. < 1439034575 301721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven't registered; is that necessary? < 1439035051 178003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, and there's a fee. < 1439035550 565141 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lnewmymcgcfaawxr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439035669 659495 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tikgtxvmwvstkntz JOIN :#esoteric < 1439036056 708855 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439036386 960041 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom idris < 1439036389 397539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `wisdom/*idris*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory < 1439036400 604536 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? idris < 1439036403 988597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439036413 759637 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whoops, got confused about the commands.) < 1439036444 870189 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: 怖い鶏 < 1439036888 431776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07InDec14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43706&oldid=38237 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-29) 10Language is not Turing complete as there is no way to add memory (eg: tape, stack, linked lists or arrays) < 1439037177 386167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ZeptoBasic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43707&oldid=35145 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+29) 10Add TC category < 1439037311 149887 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439038000 70039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, an important question, < 1439038017 63868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you point me to a good description of how to make and work with partial clones in git? < 1439038049 35367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be possible, but the git high-level interfaces are crazy, and I have trouble with even simpler commands than this. < 1439038078 92019 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439038935 646271 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439039616 595087 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439039830 643670 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439040994 175874 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heveryllone. < 1439041042 92844 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439041450 513398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439041661 206598 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439041960 474554 :E7D4A1B8!~A5D3B7C2@130.227.60.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439041981 92837 :E7D4A1B8!~A5D3B7C2@130.227.60.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439042160 558412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, everalone < 1439042613 934848 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, fungot, sing to me a song < 1439042614 37668 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that is, if the jump is not the problem :p < 1439042637 115651 :|f`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439042702 526235 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The char-rnn code seems to be quite delicate. 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ZZZzzz… < 1439051484 243560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1439051822 556400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439051843 158001 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439051849 485429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1439051849 539804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 59m 54s ago: ヘロリュアン < 1439051990 937819 :maarten_!~dinosoep@81.83.4.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439052645 908606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus we" < 1439052646 14373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :steal a technique from Shachaf and Edward Kmett and adapt it to the current < 1439052648 999950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather clean) setting. < 1439052658 80680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid irssi paste < 1439052737 598903 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1439053184 735385 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439053591 169915 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439053717 879465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is github running a ridiculously heavy script when i'm trying to browse sources < 1439053793 91258 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439053937 785362 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439053943 564799 :rg__!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439054047 112858 :rg__!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1439054294 623424 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439055403 192207 :maarten_!~dinosoep@81.83.4.137 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it < 1439056392 942618 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439056645 860666 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-asldukrbrhxfstob QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439056769 149668 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jsswcwsaykvntjdc JOIN :#esoteric < 1439057387 17119 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1439058304 519250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help what are you stealing < 1439058534 593493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the #. operator hth < 1439058555 585551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, ghc stole it < 1439058613 960266 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jsswcwsaykvntjdc QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439058630 90411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/7.10.2/docs/html/libraries/base-4.8.1.0/src/Data-Foldable.html#line-447 < 1439058727 406873 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ganouoabloxrvkzt JOIN :#esoteric < 1439058887 388891 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1439059195 593302 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439059247 516121 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439059839 583855 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1439059963 497300 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah yeah < 1439060248 10851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: btw is there some reason why ghc can't have rank n constraints? < 1439060256 747836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rank 2, at least < 1439060352 597073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh found an SO question i hadn't seen about it < 1439060358 918457 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439060557 223299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you've answered, naturally) < 1439060735 456566 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1439061161 949434 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439062018 495229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixl 1 \\ -- required comment < 1439062029 469800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that only required because the module uses CPP? < 1439062049 649340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the final \ might be confused with line continuation < 1439062109 813881 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439062117 617586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/constraints-0.4.1.3/docs/src/Data-Constraint.html#%5C%5C < 1439062326 993686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPP definitely triggers an error without it... < 1439062594 859825 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan that is exactly why it is required =) < 1439063681 258354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: why in the world did they make it so you can deduce () has the kind Constraint without doing the same for (,) ... < 1439063727 318225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint! Not Constraint! :P < 1439063740 120825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Taneb -----### < 1439063762 884243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had that coming < 1439063767 513910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1439063790 720877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an obvious answer, but it's not a good one. < 1439063813 150418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are no constraint arguments in (), so they couldn't use the same hack) < 1439064037 560103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay now I have two websites I am not using < 1439064340 228934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what lens-like stuff can be replicated in Perl6 and what can't < 1439064386 641817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 has Proxies which when bound to a variable can change the meaning of assignment to and reading from that variable. Currently it seems to be FETCH/STORE, so I don't think a Setter can be made < 1439064436 179920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 method call syntax does not rely on the invocant actually knowing about the called method, e.g. $foo.&say will call the say function that is in scope on $foo < 1439064456 566061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHereas $foo.say would look up say in terms of what $foo can do, or something) < 1439064579 985967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sigh, i wish that person would stop interacting with me < 1439064622 462798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in maximum grouch mode < 1439065870 862585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore ? < 1439065930 537005 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439065971 984499 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439066144 922203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only < 1439066340 174715 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439066576 441021 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439066742 823012 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439066748 574703 :rg__!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439066800 665862 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ganouoabloxrvkzt QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439066868 629908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell edwardk instance {-# OVERLAPPING #-} (f (Eq()) (Eq()) ~ (Eq(),Eq())) => Test f -- < 1439066868 732898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439066876 411781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1439066907 652412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he narrowly avoided a hth there < 1439066909 965797 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ogxnrftcedlyodom JOIN :#esoteric < 1439066952 320689 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439066961 576877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lucky < 1439066998 928063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best way i've thought of to define an instance for it < 1439067018 903385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it might even work, sort of < 1439067084 235459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it worked in a trivial test) < 1439067153 62249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell edwardk oops, * {-# OVERLAPPABLE #-} < 1439067153 116495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439067437 632398 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ogxnrftcedlyodom QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439067500 363928 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tvlsuzegqbmlveul JOIN :#esoteric < 1439067900 608254 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tvlsuzegqbmlveul QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439068382 544083 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-edqkxkxxlvljnnuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439069718 166536 :rg__!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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:#esoteric < 1439072508 798194 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mentioned the superkind tricks for fixing (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint right? < 1439072553 253387 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly given that it interacts weirdly with things like eisenberg's efforts to get us dependent types i don't see it happening < 1439072734 781769 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-edqkxkxxlvljnnuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439072755 101483 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439072837 861792 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bubrdldnhncxzdoj JOIN :#esoteric < 1439073060 602988 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439073101 726491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ultimate Programming Language to Take Over a Prison, Then He World14]]4 N10 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10Fixed logical error in the description of respect. < 1439076389 878127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ultimate Programming Language to Take Over a Prison, Then He World14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43712&oldid=43711 5* 03Iisu 5* (+9) 10 < 1439077325 659790 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ntczjzakddjjnsfb QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439077425 991950 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lltzxqewfjqtiazx JOIN :#esoteric < 1439078640 752250 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439079506 956679 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439079543 304634 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439079639 751411 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439079676 28120 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439079715 208650 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connection < 1439094137 444777 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439096838 11139 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439097085 957338 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439097291 228858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make a backslash in a .IP command in a man page? < 1439099080 682258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\ maybe? < 1439099492 606597 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439099884 631674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that and it does not work; I get a blank space < 1439100537 736230 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439100789 725078 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439101511 588100 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/esolangs/comments/3gakuy/if_the_answer_is_church_integer_42_which_lambda/ < 1439101884 271187 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1439102754 757177 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1439103422 993778 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439104681 605875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439104873 661816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell edwardk oerjan: i mentioned the superkind tricks for fixing (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint right? <-- yes. but even with the current system, it should be possible to at least export a type synonym for it. < 1439104873 767678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439104893 676402 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that -- sorta < 1439104916 163154 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (p,q) => p & q; instance (p,q) => p & q < 1439104929 599640 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can work with (&) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint < 1439104934 148536 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be partially applied, etc. < 1439104942 186338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean one that you can actually make instances for (,) with, of course < 1439105070 103762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and that evil code i @told you earlier was a trick for making an instance that applies to just (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint) < 1439105109 352403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make the head right, but you can restrict it with the context < 1439105163 663520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can define a type that evaluates to exactly (,), but alas through a type family. < 1439105215 94374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family Hack (c :: Constraint) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint < 1439105228 585762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance (f a b) = f < 1439105232 954487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1439105244 860881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* type instance Hack (f a b) = f < 1439105256 55333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type C = Hack (Eq Int, Eq Int) < 1439105307 755370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Hack ((),()) also works. < 1439105393 562613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, ghc makes no attempt to allow instances for type families, even fully applied. < 1439106030 992275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : sadly given that it interacts weirdly with things like eisenberg's efforts to get us dependent types i don't see it happening <-- the problem would be that it would make his * a compound kind expression? (i am thinking of conor mc bride's formulation that used two kind parameters to combine all of *, Constraint and #) < 1439106233 388493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it was you, why did i think it was mcbride < 1439106287 172006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my brain made a faulty ermine/epigram connection. < 1439106319 336825 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mostly because it complicates the story for kinds/sorts a great deal once you have * in * < 1439106343 815173 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'd be something like Sort T T in Sort T T -- or something like that < 1439106348 719435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439106524 128963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of DataKinds, there's nothing other than * that can be the end of the road like that < 1439106656 573499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i just had an evil idea. could you make Sort a type family? < 1439106684 475101 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no, because you need the inference to flow back to the arguments < 1439106691 916947 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :'injective type family' perhaps < 1439106710 300951 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need f a ~ f b to imply a ~ b < 1439106834 546947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43713&oldid=43211 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+11) 10/* Current Languages to go back to. */ < 1439106979 608507 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439107729 355923 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439108001 256751 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439108966 112280 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439108986 246627 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439108986 338822 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1439108986 338879 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439109077 591845 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439109111 547238 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE COME UP WITH < 1439109125 230470 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A THING < 1439109139 776013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AYEEEH < 1439109177 81569 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been done before < 1439109186 90142 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it "Non-specific assignment" < 1439109256 656273 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it's derived from math < 1439109269 591799 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm putting it in the retroactive category of "Esoteric Computer Science" < 1439109283 945016 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bascially, we have x := 5 < 1439109296 346871 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suggesting adding: < 1439109300 876982 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :< 5 < 1439109304 285058 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :> 5 < 1439109307 827928 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :!= 5 < 1439109311 254301 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :<= 5 < 1439109316 654456 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :>= 5 < 1439109342 112080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1439109356 770371 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1439109363 155457 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, augmented versions < 1439109364 950476 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1439109384 947661 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to write a computer program to generate parts of the article for me :P < 1439109398 506528 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the augmented operators include things like <<> < 1439109428 549460 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assign rhs to rhs to all values less than rhs << lhs) < 1439109440 303670 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed that wrong xD < 1439109493 222242 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall I create an article on it? < 1439109593 801082 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan (referencing you because you appear to be the only one paying attention)? < 1439109714 191525 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1439109716 751254 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with yes < 1439109722 810322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1439109733 574333 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you are < 1439109756 459899 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to call it an "Esoteric Abstract Concept in Esoteric Programming" unless there's a better term < 1439109773 466111 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to make a subpage containing an autogenerated table of EVERY SINGLE operator < 1439109797 638041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1439109804 94318 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For fun, of course < 1439109815 160490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not go completely overboard with pages < 1439109847 271210 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd just be _one_ extra page < 1439109851 871483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1439109854 488679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread. < 1439109867 272908 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it wouldn't add much educational value because you can probably guess its contents :P < 1439109949 776938 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'd be humanly possible to create a page for all of them with educational content < 1439109965 420068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :humanely impossible < 1439109980 658697 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defintely that < 1439110127 840100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you can't easily create a page for each operator, because if you try to put the spelling of the operator in the title, you often get an invalid title for mediawiki < 1439110154 575001 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1439110176 384179 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I'm just going to create one subpage with an auto-generated table < 1439110212 203971 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a program to generate a list of string tuples containing operators and an autogenerated description < 1439110224 617391 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then run a program with a for loop to convert that to a table < 1439110242 94942 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then paste that table into a GUI for easy copying < 1439110699 595570 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439110750 378695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Iag14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43714&oldid=31799 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+34) 10/* External resources */ < 1439110849 785478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Non-Specific Assignment14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43715 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1701) 10Created Page < 1439110861 471707 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Created that page for now < 1439110865 423595 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will work more on it later < 1439110897 595660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Non-Specific Assignment14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43716&oldid=43715 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+3) 10Added colons < 1439111625 180050 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgnamxzbrakyfunm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439111847 759191 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439111855 548434 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Walpurgisnacht < 1439111867 279995 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :walpurgisnacht < 1439112511 520697 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short Church integers somewhere anyway < 1439115969 301679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1439115981 129151 :Slereah!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-29-228.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember making one for combinators < 1439116353 666846 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there *was* /r/esolangs?! < 1439116362 853115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still is < 1439116365 999582 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION subscribes < 1439116393 807166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very active, but occasionally. < 1439116804 115880 :Slereah!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-29-228.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19940612/Church%206.txt < 1439116815 721522 :Slereah!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-29-228.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty hard to condense them when they are not powers of 2 < 1439116835 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:tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439127937 943118 :getpwnam!~ian@67.216.138.168.pool.hargray.net QUIT : < 1439128010 953259 :getpwnam!~ian@67.216.138.168.pool.hargray.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439128837 578126 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1439129120 469879 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439129680 936028 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439129836 375458 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439130033 666857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43717&oldid=14360 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+708) 10Hello World! < 1439130097 438212 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439130320 466369 :getpwnam!~ian@67.216.138.168.pool.hargray.net QUIT :Changing host < 1439130320 558601 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1439140229 422522 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439140364 453817 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439140540 402460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nest14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43718&oldid=40221 5* 0375.36.136.61 5* (-1) 10/* Orthostructs */ < 1439140621 24082 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439141012 582197 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439141162 472223 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439141862 460111 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439142613 965631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439142663 612360 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439142719 349422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439143409 89529 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439143424 920333 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1439143424 974753 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439143457 446516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i weren't so lazy, i should make the worst lens package ever and call it pestilens < 1439143563 772883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see lens issue 552 < 1439143598 651965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have lens issues on my daily web schedule, so probably not < 1439143600 656532 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439143641 786286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed out on a class-E scow hth < 1439143652 532676 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice < 1439143670 119490 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439143859 740689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait how does your scow class system work < 1439143958 469893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you find out < 1439144175 453393 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439144501 28912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :classification of finite simple scows < 1439144992 848159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i have so far deduced the classes Dumb, E, Fnord, Zalgo and HTH < 1439145013 731843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this clears things up < 1439145055 336216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are in order from lousy to worst hth < 1439145240 318463 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within minutes, gentleman scholar and help expert oerjan correctly identified the class of hth scows, the scow of scows. < 1439146128 722196 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a scow scow. < 1439146438 900128 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow is an anagram of cows < 1439146442 762948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cows < 1439146451 401214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :400) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. \ 988) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows \ 994) man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow" Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile o < 1439147551 477661 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439147826 372066 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439148163 348553 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-129.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439148190 423205 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439148208 736024 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-129.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1439148208 790256 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439149991 92618 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439149991 315040 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1439149991 369398 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439150708 695927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: hi i managed to write unsafeCoerce with Data.Constraint.Forallin in Safe mode hth < 1439150725 9411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth did my terminal just do < 1439150744 425754 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well damn. < 1439150757 791390 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1439150800 3503 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439150831 283319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/138354 < 1439150959 334212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i derived a contradiction from Forall's assumption that there are only two types in the universe... < 1439151144 814688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it i didn't need ConstraintKinds enabled, i just assumed it from the outset. < 1439151666 473478 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439151687 890840 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439151825 172672 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtgzwrenqyepcipd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439151858 572762 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439152146 580491 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439153028 454515 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhweeuvcgzbcrmwy JOIN :#esoteric < 1439153955 427380 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439154656 321648 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439154853 297313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439155632 854758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1439155645 969549 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439156686 122259 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439157855 27577 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439159030 935087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439159103 340671 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439159115 326257 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439159138 571226 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439160739 144612 :shayra!~canaima@186-89-108-201.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439160747 625868 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric < 1439160957 175407 :shayra!~canaima@186-89-108-201.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1439161201 424178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now i'm confused hth < 1439162517 235917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: about scow classes, i mean < 1439162563 606357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but edwardk doesn't see messages in this channel unless you mention his name or lens or a few other things < 1439162570 693 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1439162572 942677 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1439162606 711458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Forall thing looks interesting, will look when I'm back at a computer. < 1439162658 734224 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting < 1439162724 325097 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/constraints/issues/10 < 1439163072 474745 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day... < 1439163279 591307 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439164831 543955 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439165383 31731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can other programs that use Motif widgets and so on be changed to use Athena widgets? < 1439165402 913319 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not, though perhaps not *easily*. < 1439165741 672313 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439166791 43805 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439167353 793856 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439167884 472096 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439168474 343039 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orephhqfldyulzpi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439168642 617659 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439168826 558032 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439169076 236694 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439169272 968288 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439169472 917204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439169669 19317 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 PART :#esoteric < 1439169730 873767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439169944 175042 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439170807 394367 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1439170922 662342 :oren_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren Watson is back in Town! < 1439170941 460570 :oren_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :oren < 1439171416 395458 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439171520 714157 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the category of scow finitely cocomplete? < 1439171564 254674 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea the other day. The (philosophical) "category of occurrents", where an "occurrent" is something with examples or instances. < 1439171589 389105 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redness is an occurrent; there are examples and instances of redness. < 1439171636 816821 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and then a morphism is any "natural" way of mapping instances of one occurrent to instances of another occurrent. < 1439171650 442318 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Natural" isn't explicitly defined. < 1439172191 680214 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439172940 303798 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439173425 205731 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Currently I have an "Introduction" chapter that starts with: After his disease of coughing has been cured, he suddenly disappeared and this resulted in a lot of events occuring (the ``butterfly effect''), as described in this text. But I am not sure if it should be better to delete everything before "It is now morning." < 1439179267 642482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first sentence cited has nothing to do with the story anyways; I was just trying to make the beginning a bit more strangely...? < 1439179305 836046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the introduction is an actual chapter and I am not sure if it should be. < 1439179484 215284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure it is possible to do better with a lot of these thing, some of these paragraph could be fixed a bit to improved. One sentence already has been at someone else's suggestion < 1439179921 528280 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439180012 171681 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439180200 553674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is it called level20.tex? < 1439180257 811611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is from a Dungeons&Dragons game where we started as level 20 (and also with no possessions) and is typeset with TeX. < 1439180281 79978 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439180319 906647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is just the filename I gave it. < 1439180334 482233 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439180589 701178 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1439181605 964056 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439181652 379891 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439181842 517229 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439181944 611529 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439182385 84607 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orephhqfldyulzpi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439182484 416529 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439183991 250406 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439184355 375745 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439184406 90473 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439184709 358051 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-230-136.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439185641 550258 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439185811 888509 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439185930 53044 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439186286 985696 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-230-136.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439187688 952550 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439187861 244500 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-151-100.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439188822 598268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439188879 21525 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-151-100.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439189596 641085 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439194813 970841 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439195749 393818 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439195954 186801 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439196532 468056 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439196825 206155 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhweeuvcgzbcrmwy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439197103 560845 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439197226 762625 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439197491 599216 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439197634 623683 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439197841 70618 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439198082 898808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnîrd < 1439198132 343129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnörður < 1439198933 367279 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439199465 970998 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439200266 937334 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439200691 276955 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439200764 392780 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439200797 444184 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1439201973 892508 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439202132 686023 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439202154 560610 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1439202176 874175 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439202529 966569 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439202640 537352 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439203594 432078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439203862 928133 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439204679 544407 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439205148 376958 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439205537 328240 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439205765 30814 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439205848 725087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439205881 314473 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: RETURN CHICKEN < 1439205958 507912 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439206759 96350 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439208702 925928 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439209612 992917 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439209934 470185 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439211797 151236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43719&oldid=40030 5* 0383.251.36.35 5* (+2) 10It -> It's < 1439212680 629726 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439212704 394886 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439213145 103623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stalem 5* 10New user account < 1439213480 94836 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439214644 91432 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439214644 312993 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1439214644 367318 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439214668 766514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is an oracle < 1439214772 965912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1439214784 517415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there oughta be a lower bound < 1439214788 278456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine that can't solve anything < 1439214800 850496 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439214823 113772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the name for a machine that can't solve anything? < 1439214997 25962 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439215179 90797 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439215343 251387 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine that's can't solve anything? "My Brain." < 1439216325 94421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1439216333 469988 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human mind as a machine would be inherentely flawed < 1439216387 635203 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can recreate mental illnesses in neuronal networks as well given some stimuli. < 1439216403 233482 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would be the machine located at your lower bound. < 1439216415 125764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the machine that can't do anything would be the lower bound < 1439216436 123721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1439216444 672054 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a paradox in there? < 1439216551 645810 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's impossible for a machine to metaphysically do nothing. < 1439217015 113304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1439217026 887560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say there's a decision problem D < 1439217050 626702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a machine D that either answers yes,no,can't solve < 1439217054 360421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*M < 1439217064 304283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the useless machine will always answer with can't solve ;D < 1439217208 535488 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just evaluate everything to _|_ < 1439217741 170913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are the Las Vegas Machines < 1439217756 661822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they either report yes,no or fail < 1439217800 744610 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feed it it's own schematics and ask how it a machine built like that would respond if giving 'this' problem. < 1439217932 91181 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439218468 279013 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439218585 485666 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439218975 488991 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439219132 657891 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:646:8700:3d63:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439219479 966393 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439220282 318048 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1439220398 383261 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439220445 860116 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439220764 344759 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/ there is a passage that doesn't make sense to me < 1439220792 949884 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^x^y`$x$y (i.e. i) and ^y^x`$y$x (i.e. ``s`k`sik)." < 1439220799 151337 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't both be i < 1439220830 457926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it was meant to be ^x^y`$y$x < 1439221107 534282 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439221153 371418 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439221189 865043 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439222172 528882 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439222289 579128 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439222819 305182 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439222980 663423 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439223009 757235 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439223057 275682 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439223196 513114 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1439223951 360928 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439224117 537014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 997 < 1439224120 340234 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 997: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1439224890 418315 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439225213 463584 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvwtmtbhppprpyqj JOIN :#esoteric < 1439225512 593789 :rg__!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439225670 576419 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439225996 350538 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.125.190 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D < 1439226131 204164 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh boy. < 1439226145 661371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, you read olist? < 1439226292 683168 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :````s`k`sikxy = ` ```s `k`si k x y = ` `` `k`si x `k x y = `` ``k `si x `kxy = `` `si `kxy = ```s i `kx y = `` i y ` `kx y = ` `i y ``k x y = ` y x = `yx < 1439226293 639518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ```s`k`sikxy: not found < 1439226302 504379 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, HackEgo. < 1439226314 868667 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks HackEgo < 1439226318 90378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEgo. ThackEgo. < 1439226359 760353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: so yeah, it should be ^x^y`$y$x < 1439226384 983971 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap (const (ap it)) const < 1439226385 810536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘it’ < 1439226385 916213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439226385 970611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘id’ (imported from Data.Function), < 1439226389 516483 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap (const (ap id)) const < 1439226390 471830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> (b -> b1) -> b1 < 1439226520 266016 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have just done that. < 1439226673 537645 :mihow!~mihow@172.56.39.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439226675 421861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439227048 54672 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439227630 576590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439227739 24484 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439228582 864081 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439229129 472582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: shachaf: i realized the "at most 2 elements in the universe" idea could be replaced by something much simpler http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/Forall/UC2.hs < 1439229154 419274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you see the bug edwardk linked to? < 1439229160 427191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i definitely should start browsing githubs, i didn't know there were issues pointing out already < 1439229176 357769 :mihow!~mihow@172.56.39.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439229179 544941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i did, so the module is broken in at least two different ways < 1439229201 250996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you school 'em, oerjan < 1439229215 579273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both amount to how even unexported data types leak too much information to be used as skolems < 1439229328 345653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah he's added another issue < 1439229350 195888 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is basically dead since the introduction of closed type families < 1439229376 578074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i _think_ the 2 for 3 version could be made without having them closed < 1439229383 635748 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code was written before they existed < 1439229388 439960 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1439229410 366423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try it < 1439229417 44972 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i always stated it ruled out the only obvious attack, now the problem is the less obvious attacks are mounting ;) < 1439229425 331416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1439229448 566128 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can still make a version that does reflectiony tricks, but that would preclude you being able to infer Forall Foo < 1439229475 711497 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that kills it dead is Typeble though < 1439229517 371089 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/constraints/issues/10 < 1439229534 613535 :Xavo!43ab8831@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.136.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439229544 287207 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that version requires almost nothing to execute the attack < 1439229600 441443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only open family: http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/Forall/UC3.hs < 1439229645 93511 :Xavo!43ab8831@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.136.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest test_123 (>)*9([-]>)*99 < 1439229650 455583 :Xavo!43ab8831@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.136.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1439229652 519060 :Xavo!43ab8831@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.136.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not? < 1439229657 819112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i don't think Typeable kills a reflectiony version, the Typeable instance generator can only give known types < 1439229670 925083 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look closely at what is being generated there < 1439229684 625884 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its using the Typeable A and TYpeable B that get autogenerated < 1439229708 58044 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then its able to cast because they'll agree on being 'A' < 1439229727 759404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i assumed you wouldn't use A and B in a reflectiony version, but a made-up-of-thin-air type like reflection does? < 1439229729 917647 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we just cast the dictionary < 1439229742 146107 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just mean the current version < 1439229747 744954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1439229749 175807 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a pretty effective attack on the current version < 1439229757 345354 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you unsafeCoerce in about 5 lines of code < 1439229770 562932 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and needs no extensions < 1439229790 311326 :Xavo!43ab8831@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.136.49 QUIT :Client Quit < 1439229799 651898 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think this basically rules out all skolem based approaches < 1439229915 756183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking whether it would be possible to use an impredicative type like forall a. C a => a < 1439229926 735241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an unexported class C < 1439229954 92618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i should assume that won't work well, like anything impredicative < 1439229990 145208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why isn't this conversation in #-lens, anyway? < 1439230001 226054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lenses involved hth < 1439230013 176365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1439230183 487103 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexported classes are Typeable too < 1439230226 123107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um sure, but i don't see the relevance... < 1439230271 667691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the class is just to try and make sure the user cannot cast it to a known type < 1439230292 171181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just an idea, anyway < 1439230318 123047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to replace A and B by such a type (or several if that helps...) < 1439230353 567605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: ^ < 1439230365 601178 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea how to make that work? < 1439230403 75742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i haven't actually tried it... < 1439230446 284039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any Forall-using programs to test, anyway. well except the exploit. < 1439230797 696101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh apparently that fails with no suggestion of repair when it gets to the Forall definition < 1439230861 732067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i guess even with ImpredicativeTypes, you're not allowed to apply a type variable to an impredicative type. alas. < 1439231059 330952 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/constraints/commit/522e9da30410898895f7d13194ea8ac50910a01c < 1439231530 366068 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1439232061 623149 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439232143 598716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote scow < 1439232144 803453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439232163 257849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that scow is oerjanspeak for something < 1439232230 825749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I've heard that scow is oerjanspeak for something < 1439232233 528657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1252) I've heard that scow is oerjanspeak for something < 1439232265 100457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what complete hogwash < 1439232299 535873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hogwash, is that scow? < 1439232311 662236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'll sue you for libel by proxy hth < 1439232413 209503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first i'll have to sue microsoft and asus for nagging me about the same thing twice < 1439232421 928494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i've refused < 1439232446 644193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they nag together twice, once each, or in total four times? < 1439232460 830194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :total four < 1439232476 845113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of nagging < 1439232491 332543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, microsoft seems to want me to enable its spyware^Wsmartscreen < 1439232509 510531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asus refuses to remember my touchpad settings. < 1439232534 605551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, it used to forget them before, until i gently kicked it < 1439232693 302847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it seems to have settled down. while waking up from suspend is faster, actual reboot is annoyingly slow. < 1439233077 657618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439233204 118544 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, smartscreen < 1439233234 920265 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When upgrading to WX, I actually did custom settings and disabled all tracking < 1439233248 347713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1439233259 338842 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've told my mom she isn't allowed to install windows 10 on her own, because I'm going to disable them for her, too < 1439233273 880508 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, her computer won't install updates for some reason < 1439233291 71604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know you're not on `olist, but did you see the new olist? < 1439233302 517375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how new < 1439233304 192557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check now < 1439233305 677317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you only read them in bursts. < 1439233309 235737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember now. < 1439233320 822749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, reading it now < 1439233328 169169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was only one behind < 1439233515 143473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, that's quite the plot twist < 1439233578 965935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, the page online for my thesis has finally been created, but apparently it's restricted distribution until 1 December for some reason < 1439233585 294153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's the date on which I "officially" get the PhD < 1439233596 397332 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've just proved something TC... < 1439233599 91729 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... < 1439233602 207312 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the greatest < 1439233603 596817 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :day < 1439233604 762901 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1439233608 824442 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOHOO! < 1439233617 328592 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, internally at least < 1439233626 550148 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it WASN'T proved by TBS! < 1439233630 539744 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not exactly < 1439233633 906365 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of was < 1439233641 571065 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's proved by reduction to BF < 1439233974 840673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid that's the wrong way hth < 1439233993 292772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going to ask about that. < 1439233999 2423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Restricted to whom? < 1439234011 623711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the staff hosting the site, apparently < 1439234015 447221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I read it if I'm mentioned in it? < 1439234017 248728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least /I/ don't have access and it's my thesis :-( < 1439234509 525634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Elsevier will sell you a copy. < 1439234534 552247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My former department's bibtex-based webified publication list infrastructure had this concept of "internal pdf". < 1439234564 635593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding an "internal pdf" to a publication put a link that would 403 to the publication entry on the web page. < 1439234577 528226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, it will be free public access once the 1 December deadline's passed, unless someting really incompetent happens < 1439234582 26351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when accessed from my "internal" workstation. < 1439234592 283424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, the "link" to it on the web page in my case is actually just some underlined text < 1439234595 809883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do anything when you click on it < 1439234599 448206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could access them via the NFS share, but I'm not sure what the link was for. < 1439234613 828821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it used to be an IP-based restriction and someone renumbered the networks or something. < 1439234656 198631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what our library does, I know they make the dissertations available, but I don't know at what point in the process. < 1439234755 339808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, they have a new system. < 1439234768 460654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://aaltodoc.aalto.fi/ v. fancy. < 1439234801 164669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the non-thesis categories are very comprehensive. < 1439234810 144707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, aalto university < 1439234818 651183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have a branch in paalo aalto < 1439234856 371934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They organized a cruise ship conference thing, and called it "Aalto on Waves". < 1439234867 288807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aaltoonwaves.com/ < 1439234872 39969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:aalto == en:wave. < 1439234900 144766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it's named after Alvar Aalto. < 1439234918 25036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, i can read all of fizzie's secrets < 1439234946 379844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1439234951 247720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, these are people who cited fizzie, and people who were advised by fizzie. < 1439234960 416530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apparently my master's thesis isn't in there. < 1439234968 79475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is your master < 1439234977 889384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I graduated just before Helsinki University of Technology became Aalto University, I guess this new thing only has Aalto-stuff. < 1439235005 303315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it take to get some fizzie advice? < 1439235053 253495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, and the old thesis database isn't available externally. < 1439235070 245128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A user licence is required to the databases Tkkbooks, Tkkserials, Tali and Inssi from other than Aalto University users." < 1439235085 624987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text "A user license" is a link to a 404 page. < 1439235253 52753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching by my surname, there was a bachelor's thesis on lighting; tried to download it: "You do not have the credentials to access the restricted bitstream". < 1439235454 584572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can determine, my master's thesis is not freely electronically available. :/ < 1439235460 408580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. It wasn't very good anyway. < 1439235581 204516 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439236164 479524 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1439236170 505950 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a language and proved it TC. < 1439236174 355317 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so happy. < 1439236447 543247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you noticed oerjan's hth comment. < 1439236480 963158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm afraid that doesn't disambiguate very much. < 1439236505 345207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that hth comment. < 1439236508 530639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one about reduction to BF being the wrong way around. < 1439236518 179866 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1439236553 861065 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can write a program in this language that is essentially Trivial Brainfuck Substitution < 1439236556 959549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you go by the usual meanings of the word. If you implemented BF in your language, that's reducing BF to your thing, and that's the right way around. < 1439236557 164905 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tree-based languagee < 1439236569 931626 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you were so inclined, you could use the tree as a tape < 1439236575 408944 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1439236580 136169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, it's probably right. < 1439236582 16024 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just use the wrong terminology < 1439236597 501213 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must've < 1439236611 643486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduction of A to B conventionally means a way to solve A using a known solution of B. < 1439236622 526162 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1439236664 405176 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, my language has a way to move from node to node, a way to increment or decrement the current node while 1, and a way to loop a block of code while nonzero < 1439236673 542404 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by 1 < 1439236688 668663 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439236701 188634 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has no arbitrary restrictions < 1439236707 116053 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIKT < 1439236720 349356 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k/T/i < 1439236742 879232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a lot like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Treehugger < 1439236751 974019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe your tree isn't binary. < 1439236782 466830 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a lot like Treehugger < 1439236785 426046 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1439236794 620830 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tree is, as a matter of fact, binary < 1439236800 907500 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare you accuse me of being otherwise? < 1439236806 671112 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1439236845 643090 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1439236854 165414 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically exactly treehugger, but more legible < 1439236868 222383 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And additional commadns < 1439236874 889232 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an esolang, strictly < 1439236887 511669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking it's a weirdlang < 1439236891 705757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use the technical term < 1439236894 803494 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an esolang the same way Postscript is an esolang < 1439236896 414702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same family, there's also the more elaborate https://esolangs.org/wiki/Arborealis < 1439236901 862629 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touche < 1439236910 80237 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen arborealis < 1439236911 749907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that weirdlang isn't the technical term) < 1439236913 837361 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's inspired by it < 1439236923 54482 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the joke, shachaf < 1439236930 204143 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I said touche < 1439236953 926318 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inspired by arborealis to the degree of just being called Arbour-Lang currently < 1439236958 447845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1439236979 510605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I type "esolangs.org foo" in my browser, it does a search using http://fail.esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=foo < 1439236982 526769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which fails. < 1439236985 813431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because fail.esolangs.org fails. < 1439236998 369622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder where that has come from. < 1439237025 816810 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1439237052 734311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really strange. I have an "esolangs.org" search using fail.esolangs.org, and a "fail.esolangs.org" search using esolangs.org. < 1439237076 787779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also two other "Esolang (en)" search engines from various temporary things, but that's more reasonable. < 1439237103 190288 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439237206 992577 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439237245 967508 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: One might even call your searching quirks... esoteric < 1439237255 902779 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1439237419 627052 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of queue operations are there? < 1439237427 517350 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's enqueue and dequeue as the standard < 1439237431 216776 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's also roll < 1439237435 735458 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any others I should know about? < 1439237653 183639 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's roll? < 1439237675 936255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like just dequeue-enqueue. < 1439237682 228339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it's not. < 1439237698 379689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Here's an esolang. < 1439237707 470091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a queue. < 1439237714 994394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Practical" queue types tend to have an "is empty" test, and maybe a peek operation for the front. < 1439237720 418852 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of nonnegative integers. < 1439237749 211818 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pop a number; call it n. Then you peek the next n numbers and reenqueue them. < 1439237820 804930 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "3 3 2 2 1 1" would become "3 2 2 1 1 3 2 2", then "2 2 1 1 3 2 2 2 2", then "2 1 1 3 2 2 2 2 2 1", then "1 1 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1", and so forth. < 1439237843 341170 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Turing-complete. < 1439237862 485176 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, I just noticed the name collison between dequeue the operation and dequeue the double-ended queue < 1439237865 149374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: reminds me of resplicate < 1439237869 59789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not quite the same < 1439237879 619180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: The double-ended queue is generally just a "deque". < 1439237886 979300 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1439237888 196651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced 'deck', I think. < 1439237889 620658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also reminds me of xigxag, though, which is suspected to not be TC < 1439237901 247491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because like a deck of cards, you can access both ends.) < 1439237953 861755 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1439237957 180249 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix that < 1439237965 843865 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing an OO CLI < 1439237984 335883 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to obey the made up philosophy of RSRJ (Right Shell for the Right Job) < 1439237988 986177 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash is good sometimes < 1439237997 252233 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for everything shell-related < 1439238010 92856 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm going to invent a host of alternative shells that all have special purposes < 1439238031 228844 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to replace the Bourne-Again SHell, but as alternatives for specific tasks < 1439238048 776075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there's git shell, already < 1439238058 808131 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes there is < 1439238075 658666 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is Git OO? < 1439238079 661011 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shell I mean < 1439238083 100238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1439238087 389199 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1439238088 561026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want an object-oriented shell, look at Powershell < 1439238097 553051 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually used Git shell < 1439238108 120667 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powershell is Windows-only though AFAIK < 1439238116 189723 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shells I'm designing will be Cross-Platform < 1439238130 805492 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to integrate them into this cool interface called the UtopiaUI < 1439238140 644607 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UUI will be cool < 1439238145 242169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wonder if there are actual scsh users anywhere. I've never heard of anyone. < 1439238172 158167 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its basic form will be a command prompy mixed with a file explorer < 1439238174 269215 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine this: < 1439238180 860582 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You type "cd dir" < 1439238194 764952 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the file explorer you're using switches to the "dir" directory < 1439238202 282749 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need to type "ls" to see all the files < 1439238210 143410 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can see what you're doing much more awesomely < 1439238253 699761 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you double click (or single click, depending on your OS's settings) on the "dir" directory < 1439238267 766937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds somewhat like NC and its ilk. < 1439238268 421252 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shell you're using implicitly cd's to dir < 1439238295 460749 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the shell is DIRECTLY connected in-window to that file system < 1439238298 420471 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's no confusion < 1439238308 953187 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love graphical software that has a command line. < 1439238314 999528 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't think I've ever used such software. < 1439238322 128287 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in my imagination, I love it. < 1439238349 794337 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Awesome! < 1439238352 258808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander#/media/File:Norton_Commander_5.51.png -- IIRC, the prompt at the bottom and the file manager filling the rest of the screen are quite synchronized. < 1439238358 915815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not graphical, of course.) < 1439238370 940631 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1439238387 996714 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUI will basically be an epic programming tool < 1439238415 416005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: MATLAB is kind of a graphical software with a command line. < 1439238418 923367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you squint, at least. < 1439238422 682933 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1439238434 268588 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll have all the necessary programming tools < 1439238446 421266 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: UUI sounds a lot like an IDE. < 1439238447 761399 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sans a full-fledged IDE, such that the user can use their own preferred one < 1439238457 452674 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's not an IDE < 1439238467 289909 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use your own preferred IDE < 1439238489 596570 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use the UUI when you want to browse files without an eyestrain < 1439238518 818824 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stuff like that < 1439238531 777483 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I'll find a place for it in the world of programming :P < 1439238556 86867 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the advertising department will < 1439238557 543576 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1439238602 475277 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to create your own file browser, or integrate this with an existing one? < 1439238653 248379 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1439238657 764460 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a long-term plan < 1439238677 881802 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a personal project perpetually going to create a software suite called UtopiaOffice < 1439238709 185091 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely, the company I'm developing it under (and likely the one to distribute it if all goes according to my ~evil~ plan) is actually a GAMING company < 1439238720 672112 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Startup < 1439238806 689523 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's designed to be usable for programmers and mathematicians as well as mere mortals < 1439238841 587685 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for example, it has a calculator called Godel that will, if I can figure it out, do calculus. < 1439238882 328400 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to answer your question, it will /probably/ use a custom-made filebrowser < 1439238913 184084 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And be designed to look pretty so it doesn't strain your eyes < 1439238920 29363 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, be customizable :P < 1439239212 602649 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing that OO shell... but my tendency towards Esolangs is directing me to make BF scripting possible in it < 1439239219 825611 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definably < 1439239246 752188 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go < 1439239247 629984 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai < 1439239966 89739 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439239966 345527 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1439239966 399955 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439241119 90392 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439241193 663232 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439241451 302631 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439241542 804304 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439242386 147688 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvwtmtbhppprpyqj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439242431 478019 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439243079 90402 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439243223 591029 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439243523 955191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: byeloi < 1439243695 347776 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439243801 364369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1439243801 418662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1439243977 100593 :rg__!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439244036 945171 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439244062 616002 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439244161 931070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1439244175 553493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eastern time is scow < 1439244288 92970 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439244316 199063 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439244405 524730 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-129.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439244451 22693 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-129.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1439244451 22760 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439244530 964617 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf! < 1439244537 876752 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on the East Coast? < 1439244546 37417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1439244555 914533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looj this "shello" thing doesn't make any sense < 1439244565 35470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that h isn't an independent sound < 1439244573 603220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make "hello" out of it < 1439244591 940501 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439244627 228434 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf? < 1439244649 749495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1439244703 992938 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439245125 68647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shellophane. < 1439245220 212338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Shellophane / Shoulda been my name < 1439245829 657965 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439245995 27357 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439247458 222743 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STRONG CHICKEN < 1439247529 915628 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439247619 434016 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodeening < 1439247844 595999 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439248511 358089 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439248720 965155 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439248726 962442 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439248759 265649 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439248785 949429 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439251239 680954 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439251430 86445 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439253106 446156 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439253136 661855 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439253160 700143 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1439253995 91174 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent 20 minutes searching for the one letter in my font that I accidentally made 1 pixel too high < 1439254028 953822 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my font is once again 16x9 pixels < 1439254050 664679 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439254134 421353 :getpwnam!~ian@unaffiliated/getpwnam QUIT : < 1439254622 801127 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439255868 17254 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439255933 979635 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1439255960 684193 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439256027 650583 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1439256098 514678 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439256310 240533 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello danofthedeep < 1439256327 531552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1439256342 713893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :onëliner/onëliners are pairs of unfathomable vectors in the category of exponential distance. < 1439256685 885399 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439257464 903547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1439257466 169128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop/loop: see loop < 1439257468 77075 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1439257469 575317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmyk/tmyk the more overfilled your brain gets. < 1439257478 910776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? recursion < 1439257479 871244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW < 1439257578 577279 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439258667 556483 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1439258789 220808 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439258826 869390 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439259662 312770 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozeionjprtmxjpro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439260070 924223 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439260166 254837 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcZUPDMXzJ8 < 1439260371 676629 :hppavilion[1]_!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439260660 613807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439261919 580609 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439261929 908266 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1439261948 896263 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I left myself logged into IRC at work and it didn't log me off < 1439262045 811452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]_: do you have your nick registered? < 1439262059 271050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the main reasons to register your nick is to log off other remote copies of yourself, < 1439262062 66048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,// < 1439262065 601094 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: : Yes < 1439262066 665746 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1439262070 885265 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1439262082 526105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]_: /msg nickserv ghost hppavilion[1] password < 1439262088 171915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the password if you're logged in right now < 1439262100 845437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ideally send that in a different tab so that we don't see your password if you typo the / at the start) < 1439262106 227179 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1439262129 963721 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I figured out that I should do that when identifying a while ago < 1439262140 600557 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And completely ignore that ideal :P < 1439262149 201752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that nickserv's disconnected your ghost < 1439262157 800186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just /nick to take over the name you want < 1439262351 489516 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep < 1439262358 543173 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that'd be how it worked < 1439262365 461278 :hppavilion[1]_!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1439262377 526776 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy < 1439262400 257663 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Oren < 1439262418 420083 :Oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :o-ren < 1439262513 812532 :o-ren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren\ < 1439262860 475430 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?!!? So they sold Google to a brand new company called alphabet run by the same people? < 1439262870 339038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1439262963 261315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, if you own a company, you can sell it, and you can also sell it to yourself < 1439262976 727261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's nothing legally that weird about it < 1439263063 878030 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whyyyyy < 1439263084 262945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory I've seen is that they want to narrow what the word "google" refers to < 1439263099 151322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although whether it's going to be search or advertising (or both but nothing else) is rather up in the air < 1439263112 226813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it'd be a terrible move for them to actually rename the search engine, but maybe they will? < 1439263231 491932 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not going to < 1439263263 391848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to see how they would < 1439263277 540664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although anecdotal evidence is that the general public don't really understand the distinction between a browser and a search engine < 1439263288 183021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and URL bars that pipe to a search engine are not helping) < 1439263290 875273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that somewhere < 1439263302 976165 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was their blog post, but apparently not < 1439263322 984072 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anecdotal evidence suggests there are people who don't understand the distinction between a browser and the internet < 1439263333 116413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1439263760 176687 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozeionjprtmxjpro PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like they're also trying to bring attention to their other subsidaries < 1439263801 636491 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozeionjprtmxjpro PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://www.calicolabs.com/ < 1439263933 738883 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1439264004 634308 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people who don't know Facebook coutns as "using the itnernet". < 1439264015 286490 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1439264039 971730 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, they specifically said Alphabet's just meant to act as a holding company. < 1439264078 738828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1439264085 941199 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't make anything itself, it's more to solve the problem of them buying up companies that work on their own and then dealing with people wondering why it's not integrated with search. < 1439264087 618988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439264117 815768 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did google neuter their calculator features :( < 1439264589 924093 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Aeons ago < 1439264641 680517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly related to wolfram|alpha? < 1439264652 313798 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use dc command for calculator! < 1439264673 678282 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use it for dimensional calculations < 1439264679 339507 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now w|a will be my goto I guess < 1439264713 590369 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: programming language with units on every amount < 1439264760 259565 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 10m; y = x / 2s; print y; >>> 5m/s < 1439264896 594818 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :km/h = 3.6m/s; y = 5m/s; print (km/h)y; >>> 1.388888 < 1439264969 351102 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... you could do something quite like this with C++11 custom literals < 1439264996 204151 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, c++ is scow < 1439265069 985662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scow < 1439265070 885598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: scow: not found < 1439265074 824880 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1439265084 436854 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not ony can you do that with C++ custom literals < 1439265114 704014 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but boost.units < 1439266063 990057 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ainfosec/crema/ why is this not turing complete? < 1439266163 120394 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: my guess is recursion isn't allowed < 1439266206 82615 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439266206 817178 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no mention of such restriction < 1439266221 529038 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439266237 867248 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't < 1439266253 81588 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you disallow (mutual) recursion, it's sub-TC < 1439266262 701181 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, pretty sure it is TC < 1439266821 750556 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439267827 634810 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439268255 501689 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439268529 22473 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.1 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1439270432 796811 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439270772 656927 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :■□▢▣▤▥▦▧▨▩◧◨◩◪◫◰◱◲◳ < 1439270959 301116 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⅒ seems to be missing from a lot of fonts for some reason < 1439270988 191748 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even missing from GNU unifont < 1439271006 94563 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in tamsyn \o/ < 1439271006 233904 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  | < 1439271006 288316 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 /| < 1439271024 679948 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowbot < 1439271039 383926 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-252-19.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439271046 960085 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the ascii letter? < 1439271139 826523 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1439271158 424100 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⅒ < 1439271159 301771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2152 VULGAR FRACTION ONE TENTH] < 1439271194 701611 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is supposed to be like - < 1439271199 747310 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1_ < 1439271204 360361 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1439271402 122025 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ͰͱͲͳ are also missing from GNU unifont for unknowable reasons < 1439271486 35327 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are ◸◹◺◻◼◽◾◿ < 1439271596 580639 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the result of newer unicode standards adding those characters? < 1439271669 70041 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1439271933 954575 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1439272423 988744 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439273173 471617 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439273367 981529 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439273845 614593 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well i've figured out how to configure unicode font fallback < 1439274079 760306 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439275058 580325 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439275061 124079 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1439275191 413084 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1439275778 447479 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does using the list monad make me terrible? < 1439275887 415563 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-252-19.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439275945 377104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: depends on how you use it < 1439275949 367048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use it for its intended purpose, no < 1439276174 646221 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Perl and many other languages, there's a truthy/falsey dimension, but now Perl 6 has a defined/undefined dimension < 1439276219 185657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 5 has a defined/undefined dimension too < 1439276219 278894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a `with` statement which is like `if` except for definedness < 1439276257 596922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how many undefined values are there in Perl 5? Perl 6 types and Failures are considered undefined < 1439276286 506959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://design.perl6.org/S04.html#The_with_and_without_statements < 1439276289 588389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439276333 668540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ah right, I can only think of one, arguably two depending on how you look at it < 1439276338 28502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-only undef and read-write undef < 1439276350 192719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only read-only undef is more of a container than a value < 1439276354 767090 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1439276356 962310 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so < 1439276361 24571 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have a Maybe a < 1439276371 622498 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a computation a -> m b < 1439276395 850618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 doesn't have undef, but lets you use the type to represent an undefined value of that type. I'm not convinced that that's much better than Java null, but for some reason they are < 1439276418 861616 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an easy combinator which will give me mzero if the maybe is Nothing and the result of the computation otherwise? < 1439276558 110766 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah mfromMaybe is close enough < 1439277703 957091 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1439277778 294350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: asum . traverse f < 1439277821 393682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1439277864 611070 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: figured it out < 1439277880 665903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfromMaybe isn't standard, is it < 1439277883 210667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapM_ < 1439277884 932278 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1439277899 213135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapM_ doesn't work < 1439277904 285746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapM_ < 1439277905 310069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monad m, Foldable t) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m () < 1439277913 813697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't give results < 1439277948 173802 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case I don't care about results, but yes < 1439277981 381228 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of fold would do if I did < 1439278084 370264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldM_ < 1439278085 269096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monad m, Foldable t) => (b -> a -> m b) -> b -> t a -> m () < 1439278101 832718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1439278103 972289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anything with _ at the end will generally discard results < 1439278106 572746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapM < 1439278107 434633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monad m, Traversable t) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b) < 1439278128 96141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah right, I was confusing it with the fold1 and the like < 1439278328 716298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, how do you generally disregard results in Haskell < 1439278329 920365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's interesting to contrast with Ruby and some similar languages, where both nil and false are falsey... if something returns a lack of value, and if something returns an actual false, are indistinguishable by merely a truthy check < 1439278348 679199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious \x -> () doesn't work because then x isn't evaluated < 1439278352 748530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you lift it somehow? < 1439278368 611011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well Perl 5 has separate defined and truthy checks, although undef is falsey < 1439278383 758100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\a -> a; return () < 1439278384 550188 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1439278388 72097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait got it < 1439278394 758040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> asum . fmap f < 1439278395 785882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘asum’ < 1439278395 888908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439278395 943296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘F.asum’ (imported from Data.Foldable), < 1439278400 986893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1439278405 980032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> F.asum . fmap f < 1439278406 906180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor t, Foldable t, Alternative f) => (a1 -> f a) -> t a1 -> f a < 1439278410 902646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1439278449 133516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm not sure Data.Foldable needs to be imported qualified any longer < 1439278473 597433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e for lambdabot, i'm not sure Data.Foldable needs to be imported qualified any longer < 1439278473 651858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439278492 351147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that name clashed has been unified < 1439278579 340547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t void < 1439278580 304681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> f () < 1439278583 510339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1439278598 46814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha < 1439278603 43022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if that has a simple definition < 1439278604 718174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably does < 1439278624 844164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for inside Monads and the like < 1439278630 447002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src void < 1439278630 549858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive. < 1439278643 299386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lambdabot < 1439278644 707964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is a fully functional bot. just don't ask about @src. < 1439278683 227419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nowadays it'd be void x = () <* a < 1439278688 613327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*) < 1439278689 702752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f a -> f b -> f a < 1439278695 353467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1439278698 408127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1439278709 307241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$) -- that one < 1439278710 74885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => a -> f b -> f a < 1439278732 534682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also is a way of discarding a result, replacing it by whatever < 1439278751 958023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 <$ [1,2,3] < 1439278753 328494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,3,3] < 1439278868 515067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, there's seq < 1439278871 116539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t seq < 1439278871 977938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> b -> b < 1439278883 57746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it discards, but evaluates first < 1439278904 613639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabling laziness < 1439278919 461128 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq and performUnsafeIO are one hell of a combo < 1439278933 721887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about seq < 1439278936 639094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unsafePerformIO < 1439278941 485215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439278948 72228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many layers does a get unpacked? < 1439278954 924182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one < 1439278959 808866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just checked for not-infinite-loop-ness? < 1439278965 890729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it also unpack the outermost constructor? < 1439278984 781891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it evaluates enough to know that it _has_ an outermost constructor. < 1439279007 338956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weak head normal form" is the technical term < 1439279023 742309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for functions, until you get a lambda < 1439279025 360647 :Aearnus_!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozeionjprtmxjpro QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439279041 208096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this needs compiler magic in order to work, then? < 1439279076 847449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the semantic definition. ghc of course tries to optimize. < 1439279105 167951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not just optimizatoin < 1439279108 891463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to even be able to define it < 1439279110 661253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "evaluating a thunk to head normal form" is like one of ghc's primitive operations. < 1439279118 986050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+weak < 1439279146 800112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as they call it, "entering a thunk" < 1439279187 289626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the basic operation performed first by ghc core language's case expression < 1439279249 622675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that somehow, function types cannot be entered, but can still be seq'ed, i'm not exactly sure how that works. < 1439279352 847212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some difference in how ghc handles function types and ADT types, that means unsafeCoercing one to the other can crash things, even if you don't actually _use_ the result as an ADT value < 1439279392 839281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADT types are the ones with genuine constructors < 1439279452 280679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this is precisely the difference between types where evaluating has to "unwrap a constructor", which then crashes for values which don't have any. < 1439279463 301779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nice grammar < 1439279544 927705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because normally, _without_ seq, you never evaluate an ADT value except because you want to test / unwrap its constructor, or a function except to apply it. < 1439279571 647939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, which is why I thought extra magic would be needed for seq < 1439279583 488258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe you are right < 1439279595 494955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. seq isn't something I'd expect you to be able to implement in standard Haskell, except in terms of itself < 1439279610 384088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or other functions of a similar nature) < 1439279617 622132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has to be general, because you can call seq on a polymorphic value that isn't known to be ADT or function < 1439279718 686873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah. for any specific ADT type, you can implement it by matching on an arbitrary construction, but there's no way to do it for functions. < 1439279729 412409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*constructor < 1439279756 354627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "case x when _ -> ()" sort-of feels like a one-level unwrap < 1439279769 261363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect it doesn't wrap at all, and doesn't even marginally evaluate x as a result < 1439279785 986696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if that's the core language < 1439279802 850873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not if it's haskell (and you mean of, not when) < 1439279841 686933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case undefined of _ -> "hi" < 1439279843 10815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1439279865 48740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, working in OCaml in the day job, I find Haskell syntax easy to forget < 1439279879 533620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is an "irrefutable pattern", which means it evaluates nothing < 1439279942 427351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables are also irrefutable, as is unwrapping a _newtype_ constructor (which are entirely at the type-level) < 1439279975 502650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case undefined of Identity x -> "hi" < 1439279976 912386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1439280009 69698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case undefined of Just x -> "hi" < 1439280010 556835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1439280031 831684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data A x = A x; newtype B x = B x < 1439280032 951174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1439280041 145213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case undefined of A x -> "hi" < 1439280042 728372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1439280045 609371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case undefined of B x -> "hi" < 1439280046 855534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1439280073 13181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data C x = C !x -- data with strict constructor < 1439280073 976977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1439280078 979239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case undefined of C x -> "hi" < 1439280080 331342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1439280122 256683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this behavior for pattern matching is the _only_ semantic difference between a newtype and a datatype with a single constructor with a single strict field < 1439280170 654968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly GHC even implements them identically internally by default nowadays < 1439280180 494312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not quite sure about that) < 1439280197 15292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only reason those are similar is the existence of strict fields < 1439280213 181597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could have a thunk with a known constructor but lazy internals that bottomed out < 1439280237 897213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439280252 966627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case A undefined of A x -> "hi" < 1439280254 97237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1439280263 216557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case B undefined of B x -> "hi" < 1439280264 451246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1439280272 509423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case C undefined of C x -> "hi" < 1439280273 855669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1439280275 796214 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439280307 345856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this shows the case where C is the odd one out < 1439280452 140602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there an example where B is the odd one out < 1439280467 698893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1439280468 466058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1439280592 368974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course < 1439280607 703450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case A undefined of !x -> "hi" < 1439280609 126167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1439280613 790228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case B undefined of !x -> "hi" < 1439280615 209714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1439280618 943684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case C undefined of !x -> "hi" < 1439280620 193039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1439280666 681761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1439280685 200492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm, how does that strictness on the case work? < 1439280703 991918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I'm tired enough that I have to look at your comments twice to see whether they're in italic < 1439280708 897990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that's equivalent to A undefined `seq` "hi" < 1439280745 977248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, forces a one-level unwrap < 1439280909 745024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the caveat that a newtype constructor doesn't count as a level < 1439280936 284838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's just a label really < 1439280943 271625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that unwrapping a data constructor also unwraps its strict fields < 1439280952 530106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a newtype have more than one constructor? IIRC it can't? < 1439280955 498237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1439280972 708347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I'd expect a newtype to be implemented identically to whatever it's wrapping < 1439280983 108189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's precisely the use case < 1439280999 851545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid runtime overhead but still have a distinct type < 1439281104 772336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making conversion have no overhead the other way is why the special treatment in patterns < 1439281122 973851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there's the < 1439281219 512494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even with that, there are still cases where conversion is not without overhead, so ghc recently introduced a Coercible class to handle more < 1439281235 978962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(people were previously using unsafeCoerce) < 1439281259 277684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> coerce [Identity (3 :: Int)] :: [Int] < 1439281260 670204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Contravariant []) arising from a use of ‘coerce’ < 1439281260 774286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: coerce [Identity (3 :: Int)] :: [Int] < 1439281263 896172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1439281273 807764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course lambdabot imports a completely different coerce < 1439281290 582262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from one of edwardk's packages, i bet < 1439281327 991040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OCaml has the (:>) operator that seems to match that particular coerce < 1439281333 827214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lambdabot just found < 1439281360 921989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the thing is that [Identity Int] _is_ identically represented to [Int] but without coerce you still need to go through map < 1439281417 933702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Identity is like the silliest newtype ever, it wraps anything in the trivial Monad) < 1439281443 853546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t coerce < 1439281444 762256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Contravariant f) => f a -> f b < 1439281462 798797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be a bit surprised if Ocaml has that :P < 1439281487 923987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :> is for object subtyping, isn't it? < 1439281494 575037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls < 1439281534 806888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess involves variance too < 1439281604 45264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that btw is edwardk's supergeneral way of expressing that f is a functor that ignores its wrapped type, i.e. essentially Const a b = Const a < 1439281681 969817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow haskell has ended up with two competing types like that, although there seems to be a movement to get rid of Constant < 1439281693 587690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Constant < 1439281694 573329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Constant’ < 1439281694 676087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘Constraint’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted) < 1439281699 325340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Const < 1439281700 355623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> * < 1439281724 914532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Control.Functor.Constant.Constant < 1439281725 980854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: < 1439281726 35141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : type constructor or class ‘Control.Functor.Constant.Constant’ < 1439281733 497390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Control.Functor.Trans.Constant.Constant < 1439281734 770802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: < 1439281734 873311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : type constructor or class ‘Control.Functor.Trans.Constant.Constant’ < 1439281741 907381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1439281784 94373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns that there exists a Control.Monad.Trans.Conts module < 1439281793 852124 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439281824 676436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ghci was surprisingly helpful with suggesting module names < 1439281832 875032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Data.Functor.Constant.Constant < 1439281833 734310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> * < 1439281935 656297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it would suggest language options that way too < 1439282001 687089 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439282117 103276 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439282136 829250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph turns out it _does_ if you use ghci from the terminal instead of winghci. *sigh*. < 1439282189 69636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, then it has proper tab completion. < 1439282214 797225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1439282235 313598 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends is resitting an exam this morning and I am a little worried < 1439282296 977674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1439282392 787793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mostly worried because I helped him revise for it < 1439282465 667795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if he doesn't do well enough it's sort of on me < 1439282468 818303 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that selfish of me? < 1439282526 271376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not altruistic, but being selfish sort-of implies it's at the cost of someone else < 1439282547 387276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas your friend doing well in the exam doesn't hurt anyone, and indeed is a benefit to the world in general < 1439282552 847309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think it fits the definition of being selfish either < 1439282558 885551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those instances where everyone's interest aligns < 1439282699 641498 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think next academic year we're both gonna have to stay a bit more on top of things < 1439282787 809801 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1439282814 805444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Chinese14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43720&oldid=38656 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+70) 10/* ASCII only */ < 1439282941 763786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nflix < 1439283042 493650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects that guy in GG to actually have _planned_ that agatha would mess up the other guy's plans < 1439283069 888501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm not sure, if that were the case why'd he offer to bathe her and take her to his chambers? < 1439283085 61320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent suspicion? < 1439283100 983898 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems risky < 1439283107 742549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be entirely surprised if he's working for the real Master < 1439283135 847736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, perhaps, _is_ the real master working through a clank body < 1439283221 373562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, rereading the last few, you might be righ < 1439283222 65602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1439283367 553845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps this is a test of her, and they're _both_ in on it. < 1439283378 605908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for semi-public wlan... < 1439283389 537163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that'd be more surprising < 1439283394 336002 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-227-217.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439283483 588031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you were the master and a very powerful spark of unknown character entered your domain, wouldn't _you_ want to give them a few tests before meeting them openly? < 1439283504 946323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably would do it more subtly than kidnapping her < 1439283518 777672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The theory I've seen (the official one) claims it's to align "Google" better with the official mission statement: "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful". < 1439283520 793924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he _does_ have a devilish sense of humor :P < 1439283643 174736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, i fully expect him to be a master manipulator aware of most plots against him < 1439283667 275581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it could be that the true master subtly manipulated this conspiracy into being < 1439283677 452767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1439283757 584292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be willing to bet there's a number of conspiracies centred around a "master" of Paris < 1439283778 323036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which a) lets others take the fall for threats < 1439283787 125673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you read the Foundation series by Asimov? < 1439283787 781582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've considered the possibility there's no actual master < 1439283788 442819 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And b) ties up potential rivals into administrating Paris < 1439283794 864612 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, everything but the prequels < 1439283796 715566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a truly surprising number of nested conspiracies < 1439283806 642577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, the prequels don't add much to the conspiracy count < 1439283816 345167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just explain the origins of at least two of them < 1439283822 354921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldlM < 1439283823 706596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘foldlM’ < 1439283823 808778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439283823 863008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘F.foldlM’ (imported from Data.Foldable), < 1439283825 882662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1439283825 936994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1439283827 461382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldlM < 1439283828 873867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Typeable m0) < 1439283828 928240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?) < 1439283828 928330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M139423655219615691610827’ < 1439283856 96924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more character-driven, really < 1439283864 780493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read enough to know of three levels. hm if the trantor empire itself was one it could be four. < 1439283880 442503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, five. < 1439283887 641113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the solarians < 1439283947 190132 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solarians weren't really a conspiracy as much as a warning of what would be down a particular path < 1439283976 176411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's left _very_ open whether they ended up winning < 1439283982 659161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count five < 1439283999 880415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(um, megaspoiler?) < 1439284012 559274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I'm trying to avoid spoilers by not talking about specifics < 1439284026 593070 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to reread them... < 1439284030 17117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't count the solarians as part of the "critical path", though < 1439284062 353111 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :off-topic here (sorry): http://hastebin.com/ugiduroqeb.coffee < 1439284091 885395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nflix: are you a spambot? < 1439284097 558532 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for ideas for how i can complete that poem.. < 1439284105 183673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps not < 1439284108 336916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this might apply to Data.Traversable too btw < 1439284109 214793 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u guys r smart < 1439284110 964922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying "hi", then not responding < 1439284115 412780 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language++ < 1439284118 954597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then later posting an unsolicited link < 1439284124 472094 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1439284127 132234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you admit is offtopic < 1439284135 239584 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha sori, was observing the chat... < 1439284135 686811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is within the normal bounds for spambot behaviour < 1439284160 217506 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the atmosphere here, but very new to talk anything too technical < 1439284179 866763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1439284190 646426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm just confused < 1439284196 136924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel's sort-of offtopic much of the time < 1439284208 806691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Haskell is almost ontopic but it somehow manages to be too mainstream to really fit < 1439284224 52789 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1439284259 247903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramp up the type functions < 1439284266 176958 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, any creative ideas ^above < 1439284270 948626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1439284271 51200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1439284284 70697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fortunately this is rather easy to test :) < 1439284347 506714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ghci's :browse qualifies ambgiguous names) < 1439284405 249604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I did not know that was a thing < 1439284455 732 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for that < 1439284760 170080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm pretty sure one of the mentioned goals of FTP was "no name clashes in base", although i'm also pretty sure they didn't get that far ((.) and id) < 1439284765 805341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id < 1439284766 2329 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439284766 56575 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1439284766 56646 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439284770 473435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a < 1439284774 438801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1439284775 265932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c < 1439284793 92075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you have the Prelude versions < 1439284804 934594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1439284812 314683 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C.Category mess up lens? < 1439284832 166515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that may be < 1439284837 615947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the place I can think of most likely to cause a problem < 1439284837 923662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (C..) < 1439284839 608478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (k :: BOX) (cat :: k -> k -> *) (b :: k) (c :: k) (a :: k). Category cat => cat b c -> cat a b -> cat a c < 1439284849 980885 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly a type signature < 1439284875 320594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go Cale's route and let (.) = fmap by way of a compromise. < 1439284946 185946 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439284953 413183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just ("Hi", 0) & _Just C.. _1 %. "Ho" < 1439284954 682044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘%.’ < 1439284954 784855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439284954 839108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘.’ (imported from Data.Function), < 1439284970 560919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, have it be liftA just to confuse everyone < 1439284986 208036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just ("Hi", 0) & _Just C.. _1 .~ "Ho" < 1439284987 884196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just ("Ho",0) < 1439284996 532215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well that didn't hurt < 1439285000 145942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could just stick to the prelude version < 1439285019 225234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just ("Hi", 0) & fmap _Just _1 .~ "Ho" < 1439285020 654774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just ("Ho",0) < 1439285029 343612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap doesn't hurt either < 1439285069 564185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftA < 1439285070 402715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1439285100 754546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncons < 1439285103 17161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘uncons’ < 1439285103 71575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘Control.Lens.uncons’, < 1439285103 71671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from ‘Control.Lens’ at /home/lambda/.lambdabot/State/L.hs:51:1-43 < 1439285105 405923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf. < 1439285134 753528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also a function in Data.List) < 1439285140 409427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just [1,2,3] & _Just C.. traversed %@~ const < 1439285143 298410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [0,1,2] < 1439285274 127633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is op... < 1439285307 157982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ when you wanna get up, up on your feet, caffeine ♫ < 1439285330 3829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, "op"? < 1439285343 511758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1439285343 614235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1439285345 814451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t op < 1439285346 833107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Associativity -> Int -> String -> Expr -> Expr -> Expr < 1439285348 244705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Lens.op < 1439285349 209373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapped s => (Unwrapped s -> s) -> s -> Unwrapped s < 1439285371 593446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Lens.op (getSum) 10 < 1439285373 35831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Unwrapped s0 ~ Sum s) < 1439285373 90250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Num s, Wrapped s, Unwrapped s ~ Sum s) < 1439285373 144622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for ‘e_110’: < 1439285398 258474 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Lens.op Sum (Sum 10) < 1439285399 635467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1439285458 844561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Lens.op Sum (Sum 10) < 1439285459 986640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Unwrapped (Sum a) < 1439285468 793212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Lens.op Sum (Sum 10) < 1439285470 855220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1439285473 2846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Lens.op Sum (Sum 10) :: Int < 1439285476 126631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1439285492 764460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reduction (1+2+3) < 1439285494 799381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 + 2 + 3,3 + 3,6] < 1439285497 734295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh < 1439285499 907582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1439285509 718676 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Unwrapped (Sum a) = a < 1439285577 216789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh the other op is the one used for building Expr operators < 1439285606 507955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what is Associativity... < 1439285618 438243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm in the process of hiding it :P < 1439285623 437827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Associativity < 1439285626 873254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1439285627 397945 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, associativity means that (a o b) o c = a o (b o c) hth < 1439285633 278629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i mean the type < 1439285672 647890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reduction < 1439285672 919881 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I spent a significant portion of yesterday helping someone with a ring theory exam, certain things get in my head < 1439285673 722562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr -> [Expr] < 1439285698 317238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1439285698 419896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1439285700 438468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t op < 1439285702 936018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘op’ < 1439285703 60549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439285703 114752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.op’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1439285713 436112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Debug.SimpleReflect.op < 1439285714 345031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debug.SimpleReflect.Associativity -> Int -> String -> Expr -> Expr -> Expr < 1439285734 296299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1439285734 399025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1439285735 665514 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-227-217.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439285837 617766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (£) = op InfixL 3 in reduction (1 £ 2 £ 3) < 1439285838 900714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘InfixL’ < 1439285838 954988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439285839 9322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.InfixL’ (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect), < 1439285841 369817 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (£) = op InfixL 3 in reduction (1 £ 2 £ 3) < 1439285847 739020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘InfixL’ < 1439285847 793294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439285847 793351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.InfixL’ (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect), < 1439285853 661903 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1439285860 322358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (£) = op Debug.SimpleReflect.InfixL 3 in reduction (1 £ 2 £ 3) < 1439285863 116604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Unwrapped s’ < 1439285863 170861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Unwrapped s0’ < 1439285863 170920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NB: ‘Unwrapped’ is a type function, and may not be injective < 1439285884 650146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS UNWRAPPED GETTING INTO THAT < 1439285894 244282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t op < 1439285895 330670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapped s => (Unwrapped s -> s) -> s -> Unwrapped s < 1439285898 818720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to keep up :P < 1439285910 698424 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (£) = Debug.SimpleReflect.op Debug.SimpleReflect.InfixL 3 in reduction (1 £ 2 £ 3) < 1439285911 875947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Expr -> Expr’ with ‘[Char]’ < 1439285911 978559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: String < 1439285912 32831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: Expr -> Expr < 1439285929 373259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (£) = Debug.SimpleReflect.op Debug.SimpleReflect.InfixL 3 "£" in reduction (1 £ 2 £ 3) < 1439285931 374365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1£2£3] < 1439285937 189243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) ish < 1439285971 521146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I need more sleep < 1439286397 497811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["hi","there"] & traversed <<%~ length < 1439286399 11701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("hithere",[2,5]) < 1439286420 893438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not what i was aiming for < 1439286435 146529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you aiming for < 1439286450 906276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[("hi",2),("there",5)] < 1439286497 294711 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["hi", "there"] & traverse %~ id <<%~ length < 1439286498 770837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [("hi",2),("there",5)] < 1439286508 270393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good, I'll see if I can come up with something better < 1439286534 469546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of hoping that i'd discovered <<%~ to be more powerful than i thought < 1439286639 231558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i noticed a discussion somewhere suggesting that <%~ and <<%~ need non-operator names < 1439286650 488237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but none actually suggested) < 1439286754 843905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<%~ is a worse name than some of the ones in Feather < 1439286765 815369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are names in Feather? < 1439286798 120952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there exists a name in Feather, n, such that n is a better name than "<<%~" < 1439286817 392545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1439286828 919462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<%@~) -- hth < 1439286829 747530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optical (Indexed i) q ((,) a) s t a b -> (i -> a -> b) -> q s (a, t) < 1439286841 310367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439286842 256405 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439286847 972464 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1439286855 220323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<~) < 1439286856 246034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘<<~’ < 1439286856 300344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439286856 300422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘<<<>~’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1439286864 971726 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<<~) :: Optical' (->) q ((,) FilePath) s FilePath -> FilePath -> q s (FilePath, s) < 1439287003 41385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing is lens operators have morphological grammar, and despite Taneb's et al's best efforts it _still_ doesn't define every possible combination. < 1439287037 314622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you need some sort of metaoperator that takes operator components as arguments? < 1439287038 833125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing well, then someone added indexed variants :( < 1439287061 479979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Feather operators are mostly combinations of punctuation marks following this sort of operator component pattern < 1439287068 315154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately for my sanity, I no longer remember most of them < 1439287072 248095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i see (<<%=) now exists, i don't recall that from before < 1439287084 998010 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that has existed for a long time < 1439287088 656669 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o0(Your Mind turns into a Pretzel) < 1439287091 23734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I went on my operator rampage < 1439287092 493487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<@%=) < 1439287093 369812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘<<@%=’ < 1439287093 472447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1439287093 526809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘<<%=’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1439287094 302431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a symbol that was reasonably consistently used for "unboxed", it may even have been # < 1439287102 400457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I claim that Haskell is stealing ideas from me < 1439287126 885312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( import qualified Control.Lens as AbandonAllSanityYeWhoEnterHere ) < 1439287146 754229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh < 1439287150 618926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, now I'm gonna have to add <<@= :( < 1439287164 515327 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would it be <<@= ? < 1439287201 483535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although in Feather, boxing something makes gain an identity, once something's boxed you can retroactively assign to the box contents < 1439287218 359798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if something's unboxed you can't necessarily retroactively assign to it at all, and if you can, it's only because you can somehow find a box inside it < 1439287218 462792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do indices makes sense for filepaths < 1439287232 174946 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1439287272 205381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went on my operator rampage because I needed <<+= < 1439287280 6124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess the Primary Rule of Feather is this: retroactively assigning to a box changes the value that was placed inside the box at the time of its creation, and all actions since are recalculated < 1439287305 832602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does feather have first class functions < 1439287325 193604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, also closures < 1439287349 564566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why this'd drive someone insane < 1439287358 528819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is at least partly because my latest plans for producing a Feather interpreter were based on continuously morphing a lambda-calculus-plus-call/cc language into it < 1439287396 863408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I sort-of got stuck because my plans required an eigenratio of 1 < 1439287414 607859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cheating is allowed) < 1439287422 125882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually you can do it via an eval operator that's defined in terms of itself < 1439287425 566353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a combinator interpreter with an eigenration 1 hth < 1439287428 692653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the in-between bits are rather harder to figure out < 1439287437 151167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-n < 1439287438 592498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually it might help, I didn't think of using combinators < 1439287443 178599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but please < 1439287447 559676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is not the time to think of Feather :-D < 1439287475 41870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather is outside time, now is as good as any hth < 1439287490 695880 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hence no time is the time to think of Feather < 1439287609 117990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, a Feather interpretation does actually have a begin point in time < 1439287614 44536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just from outside it, you can't see that point < 1439287624 528513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it retroactively pushes itself further back into history if you try to find out where it is < 1439287628 83951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from inside it < 1439287710 845887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a heap with revision control < 1439287779 404239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for your eigenratio-1 interp? or for feather generally? < 1439287787 368919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for feather < 1439287796 40448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have the problem that retroactive modifications tend to form infinite loops without some sort of mitigation < 1439287802 9141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interp was for unlambda, it only needs refcounting < 1439287810 591765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlambda itself) < 1439287828 646016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this was an unlambda self-interp, that just happened to be eigenratio 1 on top of that? < 1439287834 116218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1439287836 658452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1439287854 815648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda's actually not a terrible language to implement feather in < 1439287865 244768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has most of the required features, its main issue is that it's ridiculous < 1439287868 413969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it way back, and then when that eigenratio guy started blogging i thought of it, and figured it disproved his hypothesis < 1439287940 96672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my plans for eigenratio 1 mostly involved the sort of evaluation orders that screw up weak normalization proofs < 1439288483 366160 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439288587 547238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bholliey < 1439288661 760442 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439289722 171895 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1439289919 813227 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, scow is oerjanspeak. I thought it was shachafspeech. < 1439290013 187360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did i < 1439290042 334074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this acknowledgement is scow < 1439290793 110413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scow < 1439290794 41362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439290810 136652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1439290830 527452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it's a quote < 1439291230 146163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latér < 1439291469 788301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1439291470 364766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 111100Z 13010KT 3SM -RA BKN008 BKN030 OVC060 18/18 A2976 RMK SF5SC2SC1 SLP077 DENSITY ALT 700FT < 1439291485 672427 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18/18. scow scow scow. < 1439291606 345652 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439291624 172568 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SEMIORGANIC CHICKEN < 1439292394 260781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1439292394 466722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 111120Z VRB03KT 9999 FEW032 20/11 Q1021 NOSIG < 1439292462 973781 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\leave < 1439292466 601079 :nflix!~nemesisfi@154.73.15.5 PART :#esoteric < 1439292643 139795 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439292700 652662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439294052 60640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"failedfailed to create file", says a tool. < 1439294060 131775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it just means it failed twice as badly. < 1439294108 287371 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1439294126 282594 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439295257 648775 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439295645 768816 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439295755 232349 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1439295783 239050 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439295783 548271 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439295793 874822 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the file creation API returned two failures. < 1439295823 565331 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439295890 724784 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there any APIs that generally returns multiple failures?) < 1439295897 715114 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Is/I/ < 1439295910 744316 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-76-18-30-8.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1439295923 874020 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that replacement doesn't work < 1439296050 58653 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, X.509 validation libraries (are supposed to) return multiple failures < 1439296137 827311 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439296740 726075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every category has a skeleton then the axiom of choice < 1439297548 896978 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439298300 661782 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439299751 901657 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439299883 582962 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439301112 266098 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with John Oliver that "What's twitter?" isn't a valid question . < 1439301238 92924 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439301682 635799 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like how he makes fun of a wheather guy not knowing what "transgender" means < 1439301689 811481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he explains sexual orientation wrong < 1439301714 537337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like he can't keep up himself. < 1439302152 974032 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439302390 987769 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439302430 83452 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1439303810 901010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-exceptions... < 1439303815 926382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Java Feature :) < 1439303828 257310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw new RuntimeException() | new IOException(); < 1439305061 73921 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439305281 89256 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439306000 705699 :ptia!42f951cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.249.81.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439306046 555420 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439306067 237398 :ptia!42f951cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.249.81.204 QUIT :Client Quit < 1439306170 562703 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439308438 170135 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1439308628 520016 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439308795 239053 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439309220 83019 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439309220 217045 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.44.78 QUIT :Changing host < 1439309220 271404 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439309339 759524 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439309884 84498 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439310149 613308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439310271 567515 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439310300 649950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily 18/18. scow scow scow. <-- does that mean you're actually floating < 1439310300 750880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439310577 689487 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439310635 545777 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :new language idea: exactly like z80 assembly but with only the a and r registers < 1439310681 105637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ar < 1439310681 211865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh scurvy dog... < 1439310763 259262 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the r register is for dram refresh and increments every instruction fetch < 1439310780 973936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1439310781 225557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 111620Z 21007KT 180V260 9999 TS VCSH BKN030CB 23/11 Q1008 TEMPO 26025G35KT 4000 TSRAGR BKN012CB RMK WIND 670FT 22010KT < 1439310802 602028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye bye, nice weather < 1439310822 392207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always refresh with a dram, ye hear < 1439310979 307770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pours down, but _still_ the sun manages to shine too strongly in here < 1439311007 956998 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439311453 220574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just started to rain here. < 1439311455 315633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1439311455 740098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 111620Z 30004KT 260V350 9999 -RA FEW026 20/12 Q1021 NOSIG < 1439311477 741828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All hail the sun god, -RA, -RA, -RA. < 1439311485 909052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly it'll rain more later. < 1439311521 152404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your TSRAGR sounds quite impressive. < 1439311535 790574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderstorms, rain, hail. Proper summer weather. < 1439311841 427556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't noticed any thunder or hail yet < 1439311865 279846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the really bad weather forecast was only for 1 hour < 1439311909 56589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it says sunny, but 5-6 degrees colder < 1439311936 556847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm make that 10 compared to the metar < 1439312116 84534 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439312821 465152 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439312831 122121 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439313343 565723 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439313415 782732 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439315949 666007 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439316918 826302 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439316957 879269 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439317122 860348 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439318631 293324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439320042 532131 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439320610 148520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439320768 860650 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439321939 128988 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439323460 566244 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tabgpawctilvaphz JOIN :#esoteric < 1439323461 21577 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439323511 736406 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439323772 752568 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439324059 703661 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439325450 704712 :getpwnam!~ian@unaffiliated/getpwnam JOIN :#esoteric < 1439327079 392736 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439327311 833298 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439327621 803671 :Slereah!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-29-228.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah_ < 1439327683 989604 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439327930 636299 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439328306 843169 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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< 1439335339 541710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439335363 911949 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1439335364 336451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 112300Z 01007KT 15SM FEW015 SCT120 BKN240 21/18 A2970 RMK CU1AC4CI1 CU TR SLP055 DENSITY ALT 1000FT < 1439335378 859893 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yé, humidity is slowly decreasing... < 1439335399 347620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chelloppro! was it raining like fungot today? < 1439335399 771747 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so the takes a monad and a getvalue function, but a real cooler would be one < 1439335897 715551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan ah. floating. not quite, but a floatation device of some sort wouldn't have been completely useless. < 1439335897 821223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439335909 389425 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439335975 658254 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439335976 828915 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :mihow < 1439336150 905081 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1439336339 520388 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439337024 761590 :Slereah_!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-29-228.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439337698 960512 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1439337724 529263 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm 7000 km away from my usual location! < 1439337944 286735 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes :( < 1439338058 841558 :Bacchus22!~bacchus@108-232-27-65.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439338071 868439 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: hellooodl. < 1439338079 887053 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you at? < 1439338098 786432 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, ascended Shattered Pixel Dungeon! woot!) < 1439338166 337277 :Bacchus22!~bacchus@108-232-27-65.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1439338342 100892 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, florida! < 1439338814 994605 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439339183 583147 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439339323 886126 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439339338 370575 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Client Quit < 1439339871 550117 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: vacation? < 1439339892 92512 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439339909 892326 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439340082 470582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439340362 836480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inline14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43721&oldid=34200 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-7) 10Fixed name < 1439340530 570052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439341355 60905 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that "Call Queue" should be moved to "Call Queue (language)" and a new page be created in its place < 1439341386 912214 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439341648 721222 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1439341721 324655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439342079 124548 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NARCOLETHARGIC CHICKEN < 1439342398 648193 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I bet z80 assembly with just register loads and jumps is turing complete < 1439342411 235098 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without any immediate loads and arithmetic < 1439342854 258140 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eskvcytokkagbalu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439343953 89916 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439344369 952462 :alexis3!~canaima@186-92-167-248.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439344405 194461 :alexis3!~canaima@186-92-167-248.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1439344719 890156 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439345167 870661 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439345342 640984 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439345413 806836 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1439346008 342965 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439346122 862291 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439346509 589994 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439347059 625040 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439348013 581176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439349298 681370 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439351443 834098 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1439351625 438257 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eskvcytokkagbalu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439352564 529051 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439352576 574501 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439353073 330759 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439353217 157136 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439353663 921683 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439353830 919796 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439354566 986706 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1439355258 362109 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtzdqkeshipfrvyu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439355403 137106 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439355625 303913 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439355919 810042 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439357111 571427 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439358161 790961 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439358213 758015 :jakesyl!~jakesyl@c-73-150-87-53.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439358231 78056 :jakesyl!~jakesyl@c-73-150-87-53.hsd1.nj.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys I'm trying to write a JVM in brainfuck. Where do I get started? < 1439358500 773103 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-easstkjzjclehlfd PRIVMSG #esoteric :First you need to find an infinite chasm and gaze into it until you achieve ego death < 1439358531 514274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one hell of a project < 1439358570 860792 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say read rhe jvm specs and start running hello world or the like < 1439358584 306129 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gui programs would be a problem < 1439358642 74931 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439358695 125708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:()14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43722 5* 0397.33.132.241 5* (+280) 10Created page with "This gives no information on the way the language works. I'm not very fluent in JS or Scheme. This should be expanded to include at least a brief description of converting (..." < 1439359179 124307 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let ego = const; superego = ap < 1439359180 272507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1439359250 895026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :id = superego ego ego? < 1439359425 68379 :Slereah_!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-11-69.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439359454 476897 :Slereah_!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-11-69.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Guest54829 < 1439359738 581834 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439360045 338697 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439360210 615256 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439360842 615608 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-142-225.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439362786 634263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439362872 823852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1439362872 929622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 7h 38m 53s ago: huh? < 1439362872 983959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 7h 29m 35s ago: ah. floating. not quite, but a floatation device of some sort wouldn't have been completely useless. < 1439366461 692565 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439367190 91522 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439367250 610150 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439367386 562238 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1439367551 646799 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439368001 604627 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439368183 278969 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439370028 364811 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439370225 476945 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtzdqkeshipfrvyu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439370288 479374 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439372989 967778 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-142-225.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439373238 112477 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439373381 584551 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439374643 830601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1439375550 651943 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439376560 884896 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1439376560 991208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1439376579 730034 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1439376580 154020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 121000Z 25003KT 15SM FEW055 BKN100 18/18 A2975 RMK SC2AC5 SLP075 DENSITY ALT 700FT < 1439376646 632896 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. we don't have to float today here! < 1439376832 991255 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439377030 91272 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439377442 291674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439377825 220331 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439378723 633081 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439379058 92554 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CONTROL CHICKEN < 1439379276 176796 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1439379904 484050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf windows rebooted without my permission < 1439379959 2580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and forgot my open tabs. < 1439380048 87795 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439380086 246634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, one of the reasons it resumes faster is that it no longer goes through that screen that told me when there _is_ a restart planned... < 1439380228 893896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there was an option for it. why anyone in their right mind would make that the default boggles my mind... < 1439380285 786040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like no one has managed to get it into their thick skulls that rebooting windows is _not_ an operation that can be assumed harmless... < 1439381077 446416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there's the scheduled downpour < 1439381082 145190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1439381082 491018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 121150Z 29004KT 240V310 9999 VCSH SCT042TCU BKN068 BKN094 14/09 Q1021 TEMPO SHRA SCT020CB BKN030 RMK WIND 670FT 28006KT < 1439381603 614220 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Windows does that < 1439381639 152239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I don't use Windows < 1439381654 280667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't do that before i upgraded to 10 < 1439381676 805899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may of course simply have forgotten how i made it stop on a previous occasion. < 1439382611 6796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten does what ten wants. < 1439383628 227972 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 7 ate 9. < 1439383931 157885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lâter < 1439384424 461046 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439384733 668142 :jakesyl!~jakesyl@c-73-150-87-53.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439385039 224428 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439385527 272747 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439386296 910592 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439386310 904799 :getpwnam!~ian@unaffiliated/getpwnam PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1439386686 336714 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439386870 420980 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439387387 744906 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439387687 582680 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439387754 851995 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello folks! i'll make myself quick; as my current understanding of ResPlicate, based on the series on its page, x and y are popped from the top of the stack, and the resulting sequence is pushed from the bottom? < 1439388213 904299 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because even if that were so, the sequence of the example output of the python interpreter doesn't follow those rules < 1439388333 412790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439388393 372448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439388490 377664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you point out a particular step that is against the rules? < 1439388541 603299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only looked at the first one (6 2 8 1 6 2 8 1 -> 8 1 6 2 8 1 8 1 6 2 8 1) which seemed all right. < 1439388578 111755 :zgrep!~egrepnix@grpnx.org NICK :zgrep_weechat < 1439388605 56682 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, jeez im sorry my morning coffee prob didn't kick in until a few minutes ago < 1439388642 448058 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking very wrongly, but yes, the sequences are right, so off i go then to write an interpreter :P < 1439388667 931415 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking however, that maybe the article needs to be clarified that it pops from the top, but pushes to the bottom? < 1439388834 136488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does say "queue", that's how queues work. Not that I'd object to clarification. < 1439388997 110076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we know it doesn't pop from the bottom and push to the top? < 1439389023 386289 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't know which is more common so it might be a common generalization, but doesn't there exist FIFO and LIFO queues? or am i mixing them up with stacks? < 1439389199 795534 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at closer inspection I quess a queue would be defined as a FIFO collection, whereas a stack is a LIFO collection < 1439389202 502205 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439389244 542827 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1439389331 371815 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh. my brain has turned to moosh it seems < 1439389377 709488 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:sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-105.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439395727 343234 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-105.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1439395727 397585 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439395761 742846 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439396157 311208 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439396967 337001 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439397150 930203 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439397225 586158 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtofygdnvnfhojna QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439397335 103401 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439397402 756617 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439397609 944615 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things to do this weekend: < 1439397614 3651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Buy a computer < 1439397618 662178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Try to ride unicycle again < 1439397629 208087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unicycle < 1439397638 610401 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1056) I would like to learn how to use a sword And also how to ride a unicycle Perhaps not at the same time \ 1186) learn you a unicycle for great good < 1439397667 789241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I didn't remember 1186 < 1439397670 28708 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one < 1439397730 986371 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439398143 679547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439398792 976103 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439399009 941680 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks unicycle < 1439399010 618681 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439399011 53671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, unicycle. Thunicycle. < 1439399026 100126 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1439399026 154279 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439399446 377370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the appeal of a unicycle. i mean if you arent riding it across a tightrope while juggling, that is < 1439399477 2746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it's a decent way to get around < 1439399647 725780 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439399672 466620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt seem like it. you cant coast, like on a bike or skate board. you have to constantly propel unlike a drifting board. now if you are including airwheel and friends under the unicycle heading, i can understand. < 1439399739 664315 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439399758 468450 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/thanks < 1439399759 319426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_."; < 1439399780 30955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you goal is exercise, walking seems superior in all respects < 1439399839 698849 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1439399841 957840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fran. Than. < 1439399853 3788 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good hidden feature of bin/thanks < 1439399858 611152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bear in mind I am the kind of person who wears a brightly coloured tie atop a hoodie < 1439399866 520518 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1439399868 475400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, nigrischation. Thigrischation. < 1439399906 301980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom nooodl < 1439399907 686922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodle/Noooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1439399916 557339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom nooodl < 1439399917 923668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooodl/noooooodl is the correct spelling < 1439399945 282548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are saying that you be learning for clowning and or signalling purposes. this i can understand < 1439400029 758358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I like attention < 1439400085 537680 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebtention < 1439400098 31846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you already got the juggling part nailed? < 1439400136 323281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the dude who solved three rubiks cubes while juggling them the whole time? < 1439400209 446228 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot juggle nor can I solve rubik's cubes < 1439400308 263412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving rubiks cubes while juggling them while unicycling while balancing a baseball bat on your head would get you attention. and possibly a steady income busking < 1439400428 771740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, York has some pretty impressive buskers < 1439400446 158810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw someone at the weekend juggling the audience < 1439400465 249098 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439400952 265479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "next line of a matrix" in LaTeX? < 1439400961 546956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was \\, but apparently not < 1439400990 293236 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. it should be \\ i think < 1439401028 834711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\matrix{a \\ b} is identical to \matrix{a b} in terms of output < 1439401156 398185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I need \begin{matrix} ... \end{matrix} < 1439401384 719704 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439401423 829690 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439401787 301679 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439402161 373368 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 PART :#esoteric < 1439402425 365954 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439402588 982707 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439402603 90550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1439402931 724718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439403539 824977 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1439403550 146572 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1439403550 200905 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439404210 398144 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris__ < 1439404247 825437 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1439404275 645502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439404410 710922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally understands why RankNConstraints are really awkward to implement < 1439404416 927007 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439404463 402905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why twhib < 1439404532 819365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically once you make them slightly complicated, they make it necessary to backtrack when resolving contexts, and (as spj said in a trac comment) it's entirely non-obvious how to infer types < 1439404647 897177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a bactrac comment < 1439404661 467356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: f :: (forall x. Num x => C (a x), forall x. Ord x => C (a x)) => ... < 1439404693 499558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, imagine trying to deduce C (a t) for a type which is not a priori known whether it is Num, Ord, or both < 1439404731 953983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i thought of it while away from the computer... < 1439404748 888589 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439404794 378373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler cannot decide just from the head C (a x) which instance to use (also, one of the instances might be from global scope instead) < 1439404936 727113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a less contrived case, imagine a class like class (forall x. Ord x => SetLike t x) => Containery t where ... < 1439404964 647431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then imagine that not all SetLike containers need an Ord constraint < 1439405013 582000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then accidentally * SetLike (t x) < 1439405016 165328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1439405028 581913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then accidentally i kept typing instead of erasing the line first < 1439405089 979043 :Guest54829!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-11-69.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1439405119 814313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, s/Ord/Unbox/ and you can probably make something with Vector fit even better < 1439405175 930603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it Unboxed < 1439406566 277693 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439406617 77507 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1439406645 539528 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439406731 999429 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439406913 524570 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does copying a cell work in brainfuck? < 1439406973 620052 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I know now < 1439406992 549661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help < 1439406992 757957 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: between the ants and yow... ask zippy...!") < 1439407213 606807 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439407246 360149 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439407643 323313 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439407702 218991 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439408294 751239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1439408599 455037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439409000 612409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439410599 198373 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439411386 14435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow < 1439411386 220586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can think of is a platter of organic PRUNE CRISPS being trampled < 1439411386 323253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :by an army of swarthy, Italian LOUNGE SINGERS ... < 1439411871 25520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1439411872 685056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arothmorphise/arothmorphise ... antormo... antrohm... ant... oh bugger. This should go in the `misspellings of antrhrop... atnhro...' entry. < 1439411923 938432 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439411931 274759 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439412333 333355 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439412732 256133 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439412827 11543 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1439412827 65744 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1439413114 43534 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439413606 932833 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439413665 904519 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439413732 770129 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439414672 21831 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1439415442 80109 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439415753 689215 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439415777 624081 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439415867 888084 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439415985 583543 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439416681 659620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1439417609 658685 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fiphwbycezcemiyt JOIN :#esoteric < 1439418939 88718 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1439421525 632220 :Aearnus!uid103822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fiphwbycezcemiyt QUIT : < 1439422706 548274 :rg_!~rg_@ool-ae2ccdeb.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439422745 673426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm < 1439422750 697357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/categorical': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `product': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `wisdom/braid': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `theory': No such file or directory < 1439422759 142889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1439422761 858951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm < 1439422767 851833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option \ rm: cannot remove `wisdom/': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `wisdom/ wisdom/☃': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `wisdom/all': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `the': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `tro < 1439422771 118017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still doesn't work because it's all one line < 1439422783 653830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, never mind < 1439422813 758949 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439422858 265116 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1439422858 511914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 122300Z 29011G17KT 15SM BKN028 BKN130 20/15 A2984 RMK SC7AC1 AC TR TCU EMBD NE SLP106 DENSITY ALT 800FT < 1439422868 159674 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo, 20/15! < 1439423060 671537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :nvd < 1439423078 938461 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll nvd for a bit < 1439423156 642034 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :retrotanelle! < 1439423188 561452 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, boily < 1439423193 887544 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid it is time for me to go to bed < 1439423245 283430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne nvduit! < 1439423307 330602 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1439423395 618109 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439423405 107020 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1439423508 257620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b\oren\jour! < 1439424048 291975 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439424303 556949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439424632 495957 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439425442 65692 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm these earbuds have better reproduction... I don't like it. < 1439425483 744457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439425750 655625 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: mating earphones together to breed new untanglable pairs? < 1439425811 955408 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, theyseem to have too much treble and too little bass < 1439425842 727990 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can mate bass together to get more bass. < 1439426213 532591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION borrows oerjan's swatter and straps it to my mapole < 1439426230 728926 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwswatts Jafet < 1439426241 733160 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan IOU one swatter < 1439426241 836075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439426347 470620 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1439426393 779481 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use putty to block the airholes in the headphones it inhibits the super loud treble < 1439426581 437527 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :oren_ < 1439426636 65368 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439426654 666953 :oren_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439426709 593851 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439426983 947633 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439427560 916517 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439427653 982332 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439427741 302044 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439427771 534937 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1439427842 968941 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1439428656 338549 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439429877 864665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INSERT CHICKEN < 1439432234 941265 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439432354 514680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439432373 386326 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439432631 254442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439433132 890042 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439433187 354727 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439434583 476213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439435901 735332 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439436691 361240 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439436832 866009 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439438636 336611 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439439186 811492 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439439378 663179 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439439683 277419 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439440437 298774 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439440594 134644 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439440950 962975 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439441504 979413 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439441623 399785 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1439442231 468377 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439443392 366558 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439443588 287804 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439443805 888295 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439444219 929813 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1439444812 670964 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439445000 563171 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439445082 736913 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439445281 303513 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439445324 362172 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1439447176 566567 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439447266 80963 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439450365 384389 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439450689 660205 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439450761 825666 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451425 12990 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1439451683 838000 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :*.net *.split < 1439451684 652088 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1439451684 781529 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1439451684 835766 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1439451685 21344 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1439451685 94925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1439451779 609893 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451779 664278 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451779 664350 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451779 664378 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451779 664404 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451779 664428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451871 611042 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1439451871 806225 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439451893 164366 :puck1pedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451906 163384 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451913 109642 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439451919 845584 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439451919 899983 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439451947 239427 :puck1pedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com NICK :puckipedia < 1439452006 880136 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439452008 946129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439452034 733826 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1439452063 141489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439452323 418397 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1439453747 400625 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439453920 935163 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1439454414 890226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43723&oldid=43700 5* 03109.240.83.158 5* (+209) 10/* Partially Silly Ideas */ < 1439454504 18136 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439455496 624413 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439456144 51033 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1439456426 791889 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439456684 381425 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439457221 276815 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439457346 136117 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439459175 982091 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439460278 112843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let < 1439460327 864838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. let's see how lambdabot likes ghc-7.10.2 (I intend to update today...) < 1439460902 632309 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439461456 984805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (`id`) < 1439461457 92169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1439461479 359898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a fancy Haskell extension ;-) < 1439461835 633331 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439462773 974261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439463050 821 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm... how do we revert to before ais523 went Jack Nicholson through a bathroom door on the wisdom? < 1439463144 435104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha? < 1439463147 841099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd he do < 1439463162 317223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in any case you use the mercurial commands, though i don't know how) < 1439463206 650481 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 hours ago HackBot echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rmdefault tip < 1439463208 533252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 hours ago HackBot ls wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm < 1439463261 512911 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'echo' one went nuclear. < 1439463291 311474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? torus < 1439463292 833306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented it. < 1439463300 809376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1439463301 668448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439463307 175415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1439463308 272680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try listing it in private instead. < 1439463636 717074 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to apply something grabbed from http://stackoverflow.com/a/2565996 < 1439463649 779063 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hg revert --all --rev 38' in the example. < 1439463679 652442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg revert --all --rev 5893 < 1439463681 891789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: could not lock working directory of /hackenv: Read-only file system < 1439463722 153193 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1439463728 898455 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep calm. < 1439463743 911321 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah? < 1439463749 695222 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have worked. < 1439463770 695482 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah! :D < 1439463788 133617 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1439463789 23603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439463794 251566 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1439463841 581249 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm there. http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/accbc9c5c7ec/wisdom is the latest revision. < 1439463848 509908 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1439463849 612866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439463901 313214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1439464045 139551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn to-be-deleted/to-be-deleted < 1439464047 257447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «to-be-deleted» < 1439464060 806466 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1439464061 654601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439464066 915751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing... < 1439464114 705532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1439464153 259499 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to revert the wisdom to what it was. nearly all 'a*' entries are dead. no 'b*' entries, except 'braid theory'. 'c*', 'd*' and 'e*' have been hit hard. < 1439464154 357491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 played Russian roulette with bullets in all the chambers < 1439464180 164602 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more to the expanse of the old USSR, with a few ICBMs thrown in. < 1439464181 554654 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1439464198 94022 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439464204 775796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a big revolver, one chamber for each file in wisdom? < 1439464214 102014 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be stretching the analogy too far < 1439464238 585957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I need a bigger gun ) < 1439464242 992924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom entries stretched and ripped asunder by a pack of horses. < 1439464254 953772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Atomic horses in bullet chambers ) < 1439464266 495941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does `revert accept commit ids? like... accbc9c5c7ec < 1439464274 17902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help revert < 1439464274 230236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1439464285 442107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert accbc9c5c7ec < 1439464292 744840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1439464307 260257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1439464308 104896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1439464315 285777 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I EXIST! < 1439464336 667572 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thint-e ^^ < 1439464373 184581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? to-be-deleted < 1439464373 927334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to-be-deleted? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439464418 447869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "commit id" <-- I guess I just gave away the fact that I'm more of a git user. < 1439464676 290647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : and still doesn't work because it's all one line < 1439464695 957994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of an understatement, there < 1439464772 581497 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git reset --hard HEAD^^ ← even git itself is happy to just scrounge away double-barreled commits. < 1439465418 459370 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HAMPERED CHICKEN < 1439465510 530577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch frotz < 1439465512 617052 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439465515 141551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch xyzzy < 1439465517 523867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439465525 300476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert -3 < 1439465525 815512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1439465615 587460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert tip~2 < 1439465616 344132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1439465673 918431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1439465679 992951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls frotz xyzzy < 1439465680 695294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access frotz xyzzy: No such file or directory < 1439465685 458546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls frotz xyzzy < 1439465686 179572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access frotz: No such file or directory \ ls: cannot access xyzzy: No such file or directory < 1439465848 394458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary < 1439465849 606539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439465987 697849 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 NICK :MoALTz < 1439466230 755121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the behavior of `revert is strange. < 1439466259 373272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439467906 853922 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439468061 950609 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439468325 824355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439468677 865742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1439468880 720603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439468896 531448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439469528 700333 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439469538 33800 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439469543 185568 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1439469623 662085 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439469636 233697 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439470062 715946 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's my coffee?!?! < 1439470175 651082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439470210 290869 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1439470248 613716 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439470308 238970 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439470356 726537 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439470503 866161 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439470522 364967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1439470524 679602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1439470612 350009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, ais523's rampage broke all the symbolic links in wisdom/ again < 1439470628 714258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was intended to delete entries in wisdom/ at random < 1439470631 582602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't work < 1439470636 915079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may or may not have done something else instead < 1439470649 868589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: getting food < 1439470688 301970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 so instead of one thing i don't approve of, it did something far worse, check. < 1439470688 356317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439470716 583179 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439470748 802727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: prepare to be recompiled! < 1439470754 752562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1439470799 82163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/real < 1439470806 408931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have time for this when ghc-7.10.2 was released. < 1439470810 142367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 86 Jun 18 05:10 wisdom/real < 1439470834 910618 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if angluar js allows me to use made-up tags, can I use tags? < 1439470850 875948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/real < 1439470852 493681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. < 1439470867 919945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1439470868 226020 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? js < 1439470869 34580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :js? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439470873 652261 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? java < 1439470875 205798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is a programming-language shaped collection of misfeatures < 1439470876 998598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/real < 1439470877 664945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 86 Jun 18 05:10 wisdom/real < 1439470898 317856 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? javascrept < 1439470899 180333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascrept? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439470901 455842 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? javascript < 1439470902 279210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439470920 325542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. the repository browser lies even more thoroughly. < 1439470946 874256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1439470951 818690 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does someone own the .js TLD yet? < 1439470955 873330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary < 1439470957 313235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439471009 597280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I thought the two-letter tlds were reserved for countries < 1439471025 779352 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jahangir Siddiqui, a PAkistani finance company. lame < 1439471048 295022 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: apparently not < 1439471058 793198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :joint statement, joining sequences < 1439471094 153233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, i saw i vague possibility of the start of a period of relative tranquility in my life. and sure, just as i returned from the dentist, i find carpenters starting to rearrange the outside of the building because they _still_ haven't managed to repair that leak that was here when i moved in two years ago. < 1439471099 325289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1439471103 319679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :juggling skunk (code-name for ubuntu 83) < 1439471113 788695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also saw a vague possibility of spelling that line right. < 1439471164 746830 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a spelling mistake < 1439471188 951719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time, one of them claimed they'd actually _found_ the leak, which i guess is progress. < 1439471203 808716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's a small word < 1439471210 338939 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1439471246 135034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hidden among the mis-capitalized I's. < 1439471284 637629 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⅰ is the bast miscapitalized I. < 1439471295 567133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439471309 446498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry about what I did to wisdom/ < 1439471310 886855 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523 < 1439471311 891136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just really annoyed < 1439471324 980509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm upset about what this channel has become < 1439471331 256052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the repository browser claimed to have restored wisdom/real listing the original symbolic link target, but it just copied the contents < 1439471332 530043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tolerate the quotes because at least they're often actually funny < 1439471333 222679 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome? < 1439471364 647526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also assuming that `revert would work and thus it couldn't do real damage, but perhaps I was wrong < 1439471383 607946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. < 1439471398 663989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: `revert is ... somewhat unpredictable. < 1439471421 153592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least to me; maybe oerjan or Gregor actually understand it) < 1439471422 527004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he may have had a bit too much painkiller, he cannot think straight < 1439471484 978044 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⅛¼⅜½⅝¾⅞ < 1439471516 157559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ⅰ < 1439471519 368245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2160 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE] < 1439471661 229053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm canary wisdom/real < 1439471662 772812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439471667 364873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la wisdom/real < 1439471669 88717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 86 Aug 13 13:14 wisdom/real < 1439471810 672565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la wisdom/the\ reals < 1439471811 653414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Jun 6 16:18 wisdom/the reals -> real < 1439471826 943560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. < 1439471856 22750 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439471888 448193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wat < 1439471893 94200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 -- broken? < 1439471894 20063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: GhcException "cannot satisfy -package comonad\n (use -v for ... < 1439471914 848445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1439471915 502937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: GhcException "cannot satisfy -package comonad\n (use -v for ... < 1439471917 250949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot do arithmetic without comonads, obvious fact. < 1439471962 306750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I should've backed up that other file, too < 1439471965 672486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well :) < 1439472046 127229 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439472107 402021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1439472108 693717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1439472147 500734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1439472147 603617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 12h 45m 5s ago: IOU one swatter < 1439472319 560699 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439472414 958212 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added black chess pieces. if you want white ones, use a white color. < 1439472482 922235 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies to all symbols. there aren't enough pixels in my font to draw an outline for all these < 1439472541 79532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you've actually had more painkiller than the maximum shown on the packet, you should consult a doctor or pharmacist immediately < 1439472557 830819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's within the bounds on the packet but it's preventing you thinking straight anyway, you should probably reduce the dose in future < 1439472567 538459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't, but i had both my own painkillers + 2 shots from the dentist < 1439472581 274787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm, that could be a problem in its own right < 1439472591 659262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the dentist say which painkiller was in use? < 1439472594 921861 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh... drug interactions. < 1439472626 292376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's listed on the receipt, i could check < 1439472656 378582 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439472668 761243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, why does ghc-7.10.2 ship with vector-0.11.0.0 (7.10.1 shipped with 0.10.12.2)... < 1439472670 69398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :septocaine < 1439472703 746253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, i didn't have problem on previous dentist visits, but this time he did two teeths at once in different parts of the mouth < 1439472706 725878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1439472728 348107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea about the drug reactions in this case < 1439472732 848201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interactions < 1439472817 721985 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439472882 777225 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439472901 262861 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1439472936 61217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a web page which lists interaction with some antidepressants; nothing relevant. < 1439472936 426723 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439472962 382683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not overly worried anyhow < 1439472966 528042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not about that. < 1439472993 89468 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439472996 228925 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439473050 91536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the thing about chess pieces is that you need to be able to show _both_ colors of chess piece on _both_ colors of chess square... < 1439473094 841724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just reverting colors won't be enough < 1439473279 628380 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 NICK :mauris < 1439473413 713089 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439473472 248057 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess variant where one player owns all the pieces on white squares etc. < 1439473479 883685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1439473561 346505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1439473720 840632 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Masked images for the chess pieces. They you can just reverse the colour (and the mask if you wish) < 1439474001 606445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: brb, hopefully < 1439474118 682517 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: that chess variant sounds interesting < 1439474130 517483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, typical. < 1439474132 943609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1439474310 229644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1439474441 230077 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show < 1439474443 547019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: GhcException "cannot satisfy -package lens\n (use -v for mor... < 1439474576 822027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I meant. I keep forgetting that package on updates < 1439474650 559444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439474654 342110 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439474835 726189 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439475436 692769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1439475439 247737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1439475537 434251 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :}{FISH} < 1439475787 10363 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439475927 896493 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439476594 633677 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439476986 781356 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439477343 749841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/freenode/patches/dlist-0.7.1.1.patch < 1439477444 9245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody (tm) should work on https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9724 < 1439477492 146463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I haven't had lunch yet... later < 1439477509 397617 :rg__!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439477700 408101 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439477964 995606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: agreed hth < 1439478338 433975 :rg__!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439478398 299391 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439478748 707620 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439478818 397482 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439478935 87844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439479562 27881 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439480126 69885 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439480430 604965 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439480464 498280 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439480503 261847 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439480706 600737 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439480709 942105 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1439480765 725689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439480879 298784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439482525 940934 :}{FISH}!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude < 1439483601 321907 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439483896 369334 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439483972 443253 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439484186 360811 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439484381 297498 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439484392 311823 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439485077 739903 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439485080 559171 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1439485138 665800 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439485286 54410 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439485487 790807 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439486484 745642 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439486710 379750 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439486873 52804 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1439487065 324917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1439487235 885721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/FurryScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43724&oldid=36882 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+17) 10Broken link < 1439487397 554850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439489034 827121 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439489123 49440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439489380 226159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439489500 486600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439489500 952236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439491052 209762 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439491528 941976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439492151 693465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439492555 34147 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439492575 461187 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439492699 377056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that explains how my SO answer got so many upvotes < 1439492707 51129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the question got reddited) < 1439492782 259299 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1439492838 402917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/3grgya/how_atomic_are_ghcs_thunks/ < 1439492862 517823 :rg_!~rg_@ool-457c9f2d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439492972 550638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 isn't that many upvotes, really < 1439492991 564862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's more than i usually get < 1439493009 250511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why oerjan is fishing for those premium #esoteric upvotes hth < 1439493033 939761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would upvote you if i was logged in < 1439493043 922032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm using the wrong computer < 1439493050 439261 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439493052 108246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember my account details < 1439493060 508914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a StackOverflow account < 1439493066 405827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, because that's _not_ why i mentioned it. < 1439493071 148151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go upvote kmc instead for writing that post < 1439493077 785542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by upvote i mean hug < 1439493077 891815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good idea < 1439493102 305638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still within hug distance of kmc? < 1439493132 790826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think I am within hug distance of anyone in this channel < 1439493153 863698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'm in new york < 1439493162 244239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1439493162 454578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :home of the new york haskell compiler < 1439493170 780613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1439493190 573766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you're within hug distance of Taneb hth < 1439493197 211254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you go on a viking raid or something so I am within hug distance of someone < 1439493210 732982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1439493213 835179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why don't you come to new york instead < 1439493217 321794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only three letters away < 1439493225 258841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy < 1439493226 570702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hurry because i'm leaving in two days < 1439493233 177114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even wear a tie in my day to day life sometimes < 1439493268 60014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's the intermediate space that's the problem hth < 1439493309 214903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I still wear a tie whenever I wear a suit < 1439493311 309329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well how will i hug you then < 1439493315 448159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though my boss thinks that that's a bad idea for some reason < 1439493322 537575 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pair of place names with the highest (geographical distance / edit distance) < 1439493322 962141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told him it'd be weird wearing a suit if I wasn't wearing a tie < 1439493324 627946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tie or the suit? < 1439493328 971787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you ever wear a bowtie outside your hoodie twh < 1439493341 227370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, on occasion < 1439493342 965629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: there are tons of duplicated place names, which each manage +inf on that scale < 1439493352 480814 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid it is a velcro bow tie rather than a proper one < 1439493357 876289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't know how to tie them < 1439493366 709136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should ask spj hth < 1439493368 503065 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer wearing a tie, though < 1439493404 495079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION growls at oerjan for linking to reddit rather than the original source < 1439493415 820662 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good point < 1439493441 788336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hollywood in Birmingham, UK is much less glitzy than the US place witht the same name < 1439493473 939165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never been to either, to my memory < 1439493490 437140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be unlikely to go via the one in Birmingham because it now has a bypass < 1439493505 350242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only reason to go there would be if it were an endpoint of your journey, which is statistically unlikely because it's so small < 1439493508 776509 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not often in that end of the country < 1439493529 885877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham's kind of out of the way for someone who mostly spends my time in the North East and Yorkshire < 1439493547 442812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring infinities, to beat south pole vs. north pole, you need two places with 1 edit distance more than half the globe apart < 1439493548 663926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went up to Edinburgh sometimes too < 1439493563 358350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Birminghm isn't in an end of the country, it's in the middle (at least if you interpret "country" = "England" and not "UK") < 1439493575 266132 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using end in a more figurative sense < 1439493593 319424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, to a Londoner, even Birmingham is "up north" < 1439493608 891831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm unsurprised a resident of York considers it to be excessively south < 1439493610 434397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I consider York to be "down south" < 1439493618 88845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :-) < 1439493640 569062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I'm being more serious I do admit the midlands are a place that exist < 1439493659 768866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're already doing better than most people, then :-( < 1439493681 517273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I even went to them once < 1439493715 242185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most country-wide transport companies (buses, trains, etc.) are headquartered in Birmingham, because it's one of the most convenient places to get to and from < 1439493725 909357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i did it on the same principle according to which i wouldn't link to an arxiv pdf: the other option does not include a link to the first < 1439493726 903036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here's a contender: nil river [guatemala] to nile river [india] < 1439493750 845269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, York is about as convenient, I think, but somewhat smaller, and further from London < 1439493782 984887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well it's hard to get to from anywhere in the south of the country < 1439493806 867309 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct trains to London like every 15 minutes during the day < 1439493815 932526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Birmingham is a good place if you want to reduce average journey times to random places in England (and even if you count the whole UK, it isn't terrible if you weight by population) < 1439493819 901809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Reading, and Southampton < 1439493828 359322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hourly or so < 1439493830 378083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have three competing train operators all doing frequent direct trains to London < 1439493843 164655 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I am biased to the north < 1439493845 793385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things < 1439493847 142775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the real question is when are we going to hug it out twh < 1439493849 773190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but there must be something better; I was curious whether a 'nil river' exists at all and got lucky :) < 1439493850 556040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was using end in a more figurative sense <-- like asimov? (explaining this further would be a spoiler) < 1439493865 5255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not that figurative < 1439493881 139529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well I'm one of the people who's happy to admit that the North exists and is relevant < 1439493893 489147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I personally haven't been north of Sheffield (at least, not since I've been old enough to remember) < 1439493912 367264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, perhaps pairs of longer names with the same edit distance should score better. < 1439493917 777194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been south of Leeds since December, when I went to Australia < 1439493966 815850 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But almost all my train journeys are between Hexham, Newcastle, and York < 1439493978 184197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I am going to go now < 1439494036 334406 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439494039 316210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where, Leeds? Hexham? < 1439494040 688009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :off IRC? < 1439494464 991434 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439494523 146341 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1439494875 619755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439494939 633912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439496213 429372 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439497361 86080 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439497965 334922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone done `olist yet? < 1439497968 673941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today? < 1439497973 190149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not they probably should < 1439498032 749316 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439498040 683809 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439498372 110298 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's interesting to think about stuff like balls and circles under edit distance < 1439498443 47070 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you edit a circle? < 1439498496 50219 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like: a circle around a word, under the metric formed by edit distance < 1439498529 502980 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C(cat, 1) = {ca, ct, at, aat, bat, ...} < 1439498596 859436 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you can "circumscribe" every set of words, i.e. find a word that has equal edit distance to all of them < 1439498927 234180 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you just need to know how often words of what length occur < 1439498959 803409 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: the challenge is the smallest distance at that < 1439498982 69392 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can find a word for every set if the dostance is as large as the largest word < 1439499121 554622 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's trivially impossible if you have a one-character alphabet, rip < 1439499137 384668 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "a" and "aa" and "aaaa" can't share a center < 1439499292 40415 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, didn't tjought of a limited alphabet < 1439499358 720276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an infinitely large alphabet < 1439499371 590439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it using a word that's longer than any of the other words and has no characters in common < 1439499384 599431 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1439499484 619737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ultimate Programming Language to Take Over a Prison, Then He World14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43725&oldid=43712 5* 03Iisu 5* (+1354) 10Minor fixes, added multiplication, added a Hello world program < 1439499513 215365 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try minimizing that by building a trie or the like < 1439499630 846655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43726&oldid=43648 5* 03Iisu 5* (+73) 10/* U */ < 1439499636 725774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I felt like playing CKII for a bit < 1439499652 157282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how far south is that? < 1439499690 77349 :GeoDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1439499817 514493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in York < 1439499827 576734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which apparently is in the Petty Kingdom of Strathclyde < 1439499836 331185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the name "petty kingdom" < 1439499857 630087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: going home < 1439499883 787613 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439500038 786732 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439500038 892941 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :mihow < 1439500062 672610 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439500159 777000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` olist 998 # nope, i didn't see no one do nothing < 1439500169 369780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 998: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1439500340 199286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, in my CKII game, the Petty Kingdom of Strathclyde is *only* York < 1439501230 980622 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439501463 212541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots prediction: durkon's presence swings the vote. < 1439501578 833212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards the most dangerous option... < 1439501740 102796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: brb < 1439501873 209549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and there i was thinking his presence would be insignificant < 1439502029 417123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1439502250 578927 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439502626 982512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you don't say. < 1439502661 419234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok the real twist is that it's the option roy just tried to argue for. < 1439502890 609253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I seem to be doing the thing where I forget to do everything again < 1439502906 967494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep breathing, Taneb < 1439502914 295247 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's easy < 1439502925 672174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1439502935 353667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating is a bit harder < 1439502945 56925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did the latest olist take your breath away < 1439502956 148695 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might, if I read Order of the Stick < 1439502995 559946 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not, however, so it does not < 1439503011 433202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing on the list of things you're forgetting to do < 1439503054 501390 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to deal with other ones first < 1439503057 190500 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like laundry < 1439503084 47731 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And going outside < 1439503420 427939 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm < 1439503438 389328 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1439503910 516342 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439504763 790259 :staffehn!~quassel@staffehn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439504917 638826 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439506028 64543 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, every time I update the wisdom for some reason or another, there's a new Tanebvention. < 1439506183 713886 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439506203 111997 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1439506281 607505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1439506282 534851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1439506297 209083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that true? < 1439506311 559204 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439506323 179160 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, the universe involves a lot of sex... < 1439506409 810690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the universe < 1439506411 292407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. < 1439506994 616061 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex runs a few layers of abstraction running above that of the universe. < 1439507097 688184 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess his inventions perform plasmid exchange instead. < 1439507402 935879 :ethiraric!~ethiraric@93.ip-5-196-226.eu QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1 < 1439507472 198359 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell\oren\! < 1439507493 519964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. do you exchange plasmids regularly? if so, you may be an unicellular creature. < 1439507527 272653 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record, I got nothing against unicellular protists. they're as thwackable as anything else.) < 1439507618 808807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ♪ fresh new PDF version with about all the alphabet covered, and some more ♪ < 1439507625 822753 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to update the quotes. < 1439507826 562642 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1439507895 249925 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 PART :#esoteric < 1439507946 87483 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1439508138 491941 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439508176 580638 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439509022 199392 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did google bring back underlines < 1439509100 365520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underlings demanded it < 1439509113 218567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlines? < 1439509114 856378 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheloppro. it's to support their links hth < 1439509127 690042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. Sgello. hellochaf, and MDudello. < 1439509153 236584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillo < 1439509192 205824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloillo < 1439509426 844069 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to start a mutual fund where the manager is literally a chimpanzee. < 1439509507 484421 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a literary ape? < 1439509532 36640 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a gorilla or a bonboo or somthing < 1439509548 750598 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ape X Investing < 1439509588 446743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilà < 1439509653 584055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals boily's mapole and *THWACKS* MDude  < 1439509678 937923 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is we will buy the companies that the monkey throws the least shit at < 1439509708 500173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I own you a swatter. < 1439509717 67501 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of just logos, there should be live feeds of news on each company. < 1439509720 971152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls it 2, 4, 6... < 1439509742 247323 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives oerjan a nice mahogany/carballoy swatter and grabs back his trusty mapole < 1439509768 91907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um this is not The Swatter < 1439509783 409246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rummages in boily's drawers < 1439509866 947687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes sounds like a fly < 1439509876 318993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there < 1439509876 581000 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taped to my mapole. < 1439509911 716979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1439509911 929702 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69¯|¯⌠ < 1439509912 36262 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/< | < 1439509920 276725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks myndzi < 1439509920 846677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, myndzi. Thyndzi. < 1439509923 460903 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our Chimpanzee-based investing strategy gives you exposure to primate-friendly markets with a range of yields." < 1439509950 691138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^^'... < 1439509970 241023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1439510012 969159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hires a SWAT team < 1439510038 669765 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't get me alive! < 1439510043 337714 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides behind a moose < 1439510066 261647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses his trusty moose whistle to start a stampede < 1439510091 200452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quickly swaps the swatters in the confusion < 1439510116 339973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooon! < 1439510219 150967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry but it's definitely _not_ noon, but more than an hour after midnight < 1439510265 325074 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1439510571 772422 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Quit: WOW UPGRADING STUFF. NICE < 1439510625 300111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1439510630 753438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is deswattered? < 1439510730 170698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT ANY MORE < 1439510784 757725 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439511107 937930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat and double drat < 1439511113 87244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there goes my chance < 1439511168 623114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip _2 < 1439511169 864320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Field2 s t a b) => s -> (a -> f b) -> f t < 1439511273 760667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lens s w a t < 1439511276 450800 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field2 s w a t < 1439511279 826437 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit shachaf < 1439511306 914580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: looj i invented s t a b < 1439511341 183818 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right whoa < 1439511423 256163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invented looj < 1439511445 937117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends < 1439511474 633579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1439511517 940424 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1439511525 473997 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1439511525 528413 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1439511732 238278 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, a.k.a. Looj the First < 1439511748 213306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not the first person to use it < 1439511753 458239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably i shouldn't even be using it in here < 1439511761 829895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's oerjanspeak, anyway < 1439512031 891958 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439512061 814710 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is royalty? < 1439512083 219785 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does one pronounce the “j” in looj? < 1439512270 812015 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439512537 511854 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Quit: this awl version is crap... < 1439512562 99025 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439512579 526352 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439512638 963631 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439512658 902579 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1439513074 177291 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I'mma make a variant of my font where \ and ¥ are swapped, for nefarious purposes < 1439513347 504713 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, never mind < 1439513460 273605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-l login_name < 1439513467 260665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with login_name@server ? < 1439513653 237654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess if you're using ssh in an automated fashion it could be useful < 1439513752 843260 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1439513772 816574 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1439514165 350669 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if your username has @ in it < 1439514351 701171 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439514500 640124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439515154 752997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that is unacceptable! < 1439515159 924803 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FERENGI CHICKEN < 1439516036 92692 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439516433 302122 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439516648 637249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: GALLVS NOCTVRNIS < 1439517779 621476 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439518484 131875 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439518530 852872 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished Runic, which unicode block should I do next? < 1439518933 293151 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you making a font < 1439519014 956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a font of knowledge < 1439519704 421252 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1439519715 2043 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1955 characters done < 1439520050 592319 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439520989 876755 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439521013 910409 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439521013 964750 :mihow!~mihow@63.233.69.18 QUIT :Client Quit < 1439521456 575996 :rg_!~rg_@12.130.119.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439523164 783203 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439523164 874906 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1439523164 874940 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439523227 845824 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439523239 893401 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439523275 297351 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439523330 617163 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439523406 209446 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439524361 343865 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439524416 157982 :rg_!~rg_@12.130.119.133 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439525499 605737 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439526434 525944 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439526590 596833 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᚠᚡᚢᚣᚤᚥᚦᚧᚨᚩᚪᚫᚬᚭᚮᚯᚰᚱᚲᚳᚴᚵᚶᚷᚸᚹᚺᚻᚼᚽᚾᚿ < 1439526688 595655 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1439526945 946706 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439527334 356428 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439527498 97580 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it, keep going < 1439527681 697330 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1439528243 363388 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439528731 800454 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: which symbols should I add next? < 1439528823 972087 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439528843 89037 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone tell me what language this is https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/Paws.c/blob/Master/Source/Nuketypes/execution/Script.c < 1439528853 419215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good question < 1439528864 500621 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone sent this to me out of no where and I'm honestly confused < 1439528887 770549 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm... C? < 1439528920 657309 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye < 1439529047 584914 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never used C < 1439529057 620213 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is C, one of the oldest languages still in use today < 1439529108 106320 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's this thing https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/Paws.c/search?l=c < 1439529250 301126 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's C but formatted in a screwy manner < 1439529286 614639 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is basically meant to be formatted screwily < 1439529296 365852 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :... right? < 1439529454 314224 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. there are standard ways to format C code so it can be read fluently < 1439529561 963698 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .c at the end could have been a clue < 1439530693 371109 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439531425 777140 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember something which was written in a bizarre dialect of C where they had ifdef'd return to R and so on < 1439531551 971029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bourne shell? < 1439531675 577179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1439531678 315765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :J? < 1439531680 672729 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so... this is going to drive me nuts. < 1439531715 930297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nsl.com/papers/origins.htm < 1439531740 807409 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1439531742 520229 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1439531755 863374 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find that < 1439531773 343792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've worked through most of that implementation with someone before. < 1439531782 786128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't remember much about it now. < 1439531787 791009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about boxes being strange. < 1439531800 41743 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking 'it was something to do with APL' but that's nowhere near enough to actually google it :P < 1439531852 573545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ashl < 1439531853 435491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1439531903 901526 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: it is, actually < 1439532005 349857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1439532022 479146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=apl+%22define+r+return%22 < 1439532054 357697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that trick doesn't work if you're expecting ifdef. < 1439532076 267460 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have no idea where ifdef came from < 1439532100 15848 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl ascii is also a good choice to find J iirc < 1439532134 388859 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it came from having just woken up and not having had any coffee yet < 1439532140 332926 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm going to make some coffee. < 1439532350 145902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Sure, but presumably they weren't looking for J but for some strange C program vaguely related to APL. < 1439532357 369628 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often #define ei else if < 1439532393 439216 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #define bcase break;case < 1439532732 369963 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense i guess < 1439533266 562721 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i often avoid writing c < 1439533291 118032 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense i guess < 1439534110 441911 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439534251 89744 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1439534310 577842 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439535535 286054 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439535647 144467 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439535931 768134 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/kevinlawler/kona/ This does similar things too ashl < 1439536090 283655 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439536251 927995 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1439536266 134623 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439536298 692608 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439536419 594566 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :synthesis of APL and lisp heh < 1439536472 446123 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 NICK :MoALTz < 1439536843 342106 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439537956 405471 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439540104 645331 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439540855 630496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439541279 99954 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439542508 90204 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439546392 641825 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439546815 523093 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439547003 537818 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439548074 324163 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1439548147 423976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439548363 652529 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439548678 422848 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439550313 495996 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439550582 140389 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1439551587 445355 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439551701 459446 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SHIMMERING CHICKEN < 1439552227 523832 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439554568 642940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439554721 568882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stack" is going on my nerves... when will people stop naming their stuff by common words... < 1439554824 504922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Go swift, stack! ) < 1439554853 331019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: all the uncommon words are taken hth < 1439554949 612364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The vacuum containers cabal strikes again. ) < 1439555512 187489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they tried to suggest a renaming, but it was refused... < 1439555526 89735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they"? < 1439555535 357041 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/3d3e95/please_rename_stack_to_haystack/ < 1439555575 764499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that would be a rather nice name. < 1439555740 909503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thanks for the link < 1439555980 140013 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1439556071 183711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "salmon" acceptable? < 1439556276 361503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: as long as you're not using it for some kind of food, cutlery or dishes... < 1439556282 447935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that isn't salmon) < 1439556418 636609 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"salmon" is the language some of my work is done in. http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Salmon < 1439556509 335872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first time ever I have solved a Rubik's Cube! < 1439556536 255045 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: congratulation < 1439556601 466085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use group theory < 1439556610 627830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this, I did not < 1439556616 234130 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I followed a tutorial I found on the internet < 1439556630 202036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can definitely see how group theory could be used < 1439556749 666394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: One can explain conjugate elements on a Rubik's cube :) < 1439556763 197309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Hacker News's font size is so awkward to adjust right that it's become the first site he turns off CSS entirely for < 1439556850 505729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[if you have a combination that swaps three particular edge pieces, but you want to swap three different edge pieces, you can first make some moves to adjust their positions, then use the combination, then undo the moves you performed initially; algebraically: A C A^-1, A = adjustment; C = combination) < 1439556901 1786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry, I disturbed the natural balance. (] < 1439556905 658025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do a lot of group theory with a rubik's cube < 1439556930 438241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a puzzle whose group is the monster < 1439556937 403856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that I like the conjugate explanation best. < 1439556939 510212 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if you mess up a rubik's cube, then keep messing it up IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, you eventually get back to the start position < 1439556947 749538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that might be a bit hard to solve < 1439556993 741556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the larger cubes are actually a (permutation) group acting on the cube's surface, because they have indistinguishable pieces. < 1439557096 400755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i've done that with the "rotate one face, then rotate the whole cube" operation. i think it took somewhere between 1000 and 2000 repetitions. < 1439557122 641285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotate one face 180 degrees too, that's much faster and has pretty patterns < 1439557190 405565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly wonders if the no. of repetitions for 90 degrees + whole cube depends on which directions you choose < 1439557216 97138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the two nontrivial options < 1439557293 184300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh and there's also a use for commutators, though mainly because they tend to result in very short cycles. < 1439557327 597188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if really? < 1439557330 238997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1439557331 852801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1439557338 850181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(try (r u r' u')^3) < 1439557343 570258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i can see why conjugates would, but not commutators < 1439557421 472357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought commutators are useful for getting combinations that avoid moving certain cubelets < 1439557471 427672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because anything that's left untouched by one of the two elements doesn't move overall < 1439557482 314589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439557776 174892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes the two nontrivial ways of "rotating 90 degrees first a face, then the whole cube in a nonparallel direction" are conjugate < 1439557813 705972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :through 180 degree parallel rotation < 1439557850 597156 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439559622 508212 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439560036 551100 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439560120 855499 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1439560137 96611 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439560137 150934 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1439560137 150997 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439561186 282843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl lcm 1 [1,4,1,3,12,9,10,14] < 1439561187 802995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1260 < 1439561204 107266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere between 1000 and 2000 indeed. < 1439561317 544087 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439562738 31309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have looked up that number sometime < 1439563446 123764 :SopaXorzRaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439563470 530425 :SopaXorzRaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1439563492 274636 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439563702 111140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Läter < 1439564076 874289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is watching last week tonight < 1439564116 60310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these shows make me think that america is actually very poor. < 1439564129 417873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people there at least. < 1439564180 610532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a woman can't pay a 41$ fee < 1439564223 381912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :America, to my knowledge, is a country with a lot of money in a few bank accounts < 1439564261 822409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I feel really rich now :) < 1439564280 295856 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1439564285 218029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could pay 250 of those each month and I wouldn't give a shit about it. < 1439564294 226445 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439564306 218039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't even notice that < 1439564322 929921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 41 * 250 < 1439564324 559679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10250 < 1439564329 472886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1439564330 320746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1439564333 444048 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1439564336 91779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez you are rich < 1439564338 187278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1439564343 134176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 41*254 < 1439564344 588218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10414 < 1439564345 118168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 41*25 < 1439564346 587985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1025 < 1439564357 947372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad with numbers < 1439564366 434378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could pay 250 of those < 1439564375 50056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only every year :) < 1439564387 817790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to say 25 < 1439564389 515513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1439564391 956045 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439564393 231489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL LESS RICH NOW THX TANEB < 1439564399 583477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439564410 616264 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still rich enough :p < 1439564410 987944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome :) < 1439564431 362235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb: Making you feel less rich since 1970" < 1439564448 935915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I was born in 1994 that is quite impressive < 1439564453 693527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439564458 8306 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1970 both my parents turned 7 < 1439564461 133308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're so bad you did evil even before you were born. < 1439564471 250366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my mum was living in Pakistan, and my dad was in Australia < 1439564484 207703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1994? < 1439564497 253867 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were older. < 1439564502 705410 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm only 20 < 1439564530 818996 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I've been hanging out in here since I was 15 or so < 1439564624 141753 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439564638 481664 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439564640 91296 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439565025 632635 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439566516 630638 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439566764 482441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439568172 676021 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439569003 423939 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random trivia: I can sort of run backwards < 1439569082 924661 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean you can moonwalk quickly < 1439569099 759317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't moonwalk at all < 1439569105 166242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can run backwards < 1439569162 407436 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439569375 491948 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1439569402 273731 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose < 1439569403 120491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1137) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1439569484 377352 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1439569485 82193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :944) * fungot has joined #esoteric woohoo! the one and only fungot is back! boily: damn your mother! ok. never saw that one coming. < 1439569491 437149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1439569500 915065 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1439569503 589990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.8487 < 1439569679 739295 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O' < 1439569681 307058 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1439570039 254668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: it's one of the more popular unicode codepoints around here < 1439570071 246919 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1439570071 864990 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very versatile < 1439570126 121583 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it made it into any esolangs < 1439570146 439283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :diligent, too... always watching < 1439570247 48029 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, making the same mistake over and over again makes it really hard to solve some puzzles... < 1439570361 779515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://nikoli.com/swf/sl.swf?loadUrl=/nfp/sl-1269.nfp&lang=1 ... finally got it. ) < 1439570361 912042 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:8: error: unexpected < 1439570362 45643 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Operator without known fixity: < 1439570362 100094 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ://, expected: space < 1439570362 100140 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nikoli.com/swf/sl.swf?loadUrl=/nfp/sl-1269.nfp&lang=1 ... finally got i> < 1439570362 100164 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1439570376 802913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. < 1439570378 215673 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1439570386 680036 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: a little eager perhaps? < 1439570415 25165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I should've put some non-space after the opening parenthesis) < 1439570508 131836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> http://nikoli.com/swf/sl.swf?loadUrl=/nfp/sl-1269.nfp&lang=1 < 1439570510 103744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:59: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1439570520 409731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a tad less verbose in this case :) < 1439570716 809958 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439570804 374895 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439571719 402327 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439574591 643278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you read olist < 1439575040 968194 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1439575043 934351 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439575227 543862 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439575696 265447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I was on the ifMUD and I had a 69105-dimensional mapping tool, and I was also reading the dreaming channel. And then I was updating my "dream.txt" file, and then when I saved it I noticed that the file is exactly 69105 bytes long! < 1439575719 652055 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1439576321 439645 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439578022 435962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439578099 737456 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439578145 936209 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439578270 389961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439578335 490870 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439579389 703008 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439579445 628238 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439579654 332616 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439579771 353122 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439579779 15977 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439580266 606891 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439580425 708508 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|f`-`|f: not a fan of 69105-dimensional mapping? < 1439580602 707484 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1439580610 633624 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1439580610 687922 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439581106 616798 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439582095 946381 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439582327 788802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43727&oldid=42649 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (-33) 10/* stdtime */ altered behaviour of pause and ms commands < 1439582391 17012 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439582659 69428 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1439582731 411749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43728&oldid=43727 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+0) 10Added link to an interpreter < 1439583033 491307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:4D enthusiast14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43729&oldid=34256 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+146) 10 < 1439583129 516569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "JazzJackrabbit" game has .PSM files it seems to be music files is there a document of format of such file? < 1439583164 604734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, libmodplug seem to be able to play it, whatever it is. < 1439583185 387201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://justsolve.archiveteam.org/wiki/Epic_Megagames_MASI < 1439583266 547692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks < 1439583366 768695 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439583390 365728 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439583707 849468 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1439583828 383774 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439584283 565148 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439584502 645002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439585203 968118 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439585381 785934 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:4839:7ce9:215d:aa19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439585582 62602 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439587173 632971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( http://nikoli.com/swf/sl.swf?loadUrl=/nfp/sl-1269.nfp&lang=1 ... finally got it. ) <-- argh what are the rules < 1439587187 925203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i hate timer on puzzles. < 1439587190 551754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*timers < 1439587318 322434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one. < 1439589421 454417 :rg_!~rg_@c-73-223-87-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439589721 93077 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439589839 594507 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439590095 229539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION determines nikoli's interface does _not_ sanely combine with touchpad tapping < 1439590690 655673 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439590817 704087 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439591411 283060 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1439592792 372409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439592922 936428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439593015 817309 :rg_!~rg_@c-73-223-87-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439593184 649428 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ < 1439593203 454766 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439593733 615001 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439593862 599482 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 489) is the moment #esoteric became the dwarf fortress channel < 1439593962 194513 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439594104 193310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 489 < 1439594105 119610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :489) FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard. < 1439594297 649039 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1439594314 765972 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439594325 691442 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1439594325 745747 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439595750 763544 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439595996 995992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear we had df quotes from before that < 1439596001 510358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote steelromanced < 1439596002 141892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :577) http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED < 1439596010 116958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazed that hasn't been culled < 1439596277 954211 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote mayor < 1439596278 572775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :527) Mayor says we need to make aluminum items Taneb, PH says you need to make lava items. < 1439596303 151201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pointy steel < 1439596303 809132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :466) Maybe if you try diplomacy. Pointy steel diplomacy < 1439596309 522765 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was DF < 1439596337 450932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I am going to bed now < 1439596442 517481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07POGAACK14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43730&oldid=42648 5* 03Xavo 5* (-4) 10 < 1439597525 946640 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439597598 642676 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my font I encoded 7-segment display numbers as ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩⑪⑫⑬⑭⑮⑯⑰⑱⑲⑳ < 1439598033 866344 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make up random uses for the other useless unicode characters < 1439598349 298865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the private areas if they are needed. And then if you need even more, you can also use the codes outside of Unicode range, although this is not guaranteed to work with all programs if you do that! < 1439598355 907659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439598361 83105 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439598406 298413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439601613 514956 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439603279 19818 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439604044 486140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439604390 581999 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1439604437 972354 :fekwjfljflejlfj!~fjksjlfjs@121.8.210.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439604516 686339 :fekwjfljflejlfj!~fjksjlfjs@121.8.210.57 PART :#esoteric < 1439604579 834223 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wgah'nagl fhtagn < 1439604915 985707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silentsparrow: http://www.mezzacotta.net/pomh/?comic=29 < 1439604918 390161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand < 1439605002 828411 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439605016 98243 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1439605029 595233 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" .. -> "In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming." < 1439605230 967257 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are waiting and dreaming? < 1439605247 852170 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! ..:) i hoped to say that. < 1439605403 759948 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but you're right. it's just another pointless pop-cultural reference whispered into the void < 1439605784 102380 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439605911 265786 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you watched haiyore! nyarko-san? < 1439605930 642820 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439605959 977371 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? nope, sry. < 1439606054 149865 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439606546 23041 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it's been "inspired" by lovecraft's myth as well < 1439607088 747015 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pen & paper game was kinda cool. unlike in all the other rpgs your character does not gain skills, but continuously loses his sanity < 1439607269 263423 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439607900 837412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: G'nite < 1439608220 72920 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439608225 401033 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439608677 174934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439609849 619736 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439610145 779259 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :itpbot < 1439610351 77226 :itpbot!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :rg_ < 1439613492 437664 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439614671 565715 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439614888 422701 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439615526 833558 :silentsparrow!5d815a14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.90.20 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1439616401 103899 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439616580 528727 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439617060 510813 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1439617400 773708 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name it < 1439618499 867826 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1439619067 978217 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1439619882 430959 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439619958 136742 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439620998 97133 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-easstkjzjclehlfd QUIT :Quit: zz < 1439621909 330625 :fowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1439621909 385067 :fowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Changing host < 1439621909 385138 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-shclocahwukbpkkm JOIN :#esoteric < 1439621910 858779 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-shclocahwukbpkkm QUIT :Excess Flood < 1439622493 18280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Malbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43731&oldid=43001 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+700) 10Add compiler to replace lost external < 1439622797 222006 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wnhioojnsqzjmhbk JOIN :#esoteric < 1439622933 729294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people using TeX will use external programs to make the index, sorting, bibliography, etc although I generally do these things within TeX (although running them on the older computers TeX was originally designed for may run it slowly or run out of memory) < 1439624373 254806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capacities of the TeX I am using are much larger than those in Computers & Typesetting volumes A and B (and the ones on page 383 of volume A are already "fairly large"); however even level20.tex does not seem to need more than the large TeX used in the example. < 1439624420 87841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is getting close, unlike the example where there is a lot more free!) < 1439624933 321783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Poison14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43732&oldid=37185 5* 03Shubshub 5* (+92) 10Updated Download Link < 1439625810 652874 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439627949 131206 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439628362 64403 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439629861 781187 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439630025 791215 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439631972 405115 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439632162 968485 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439633900 962168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Glypho14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43733&oldid=19903 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+904) 10Simple Turing completeness proof < 1439634306 575388 :nink!nink@174-31-177-217.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439634597 688948 :nink!nink@174-31-177-217.tukw.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1439635108 68437 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439635982 928157 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439637221 793238 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439638021 298849 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1439638697 21789 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439639045 786445 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439639573 989213 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439640708 649622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439641420 303043 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439643093 558331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a traitorous heap of bytes? < 1439643093 876290 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you see my laml elucidation of the subject. my brain probably can't cope with any fiction worth reading at the moment < 1439643111 808046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take that as a yes. < 1439643385 681171 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1439643453 817350 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439643514 450657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ProgramFOX 5* 10New user account < 1439643520 38190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150814 might help < 1439643559 242000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have a complicated relationship with fungot ;) < 1439643559 560468 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what is preventing you from doing something cool. we'll find a way to solve that. making bfirc getting stuck on kinda simple things < 1439643575 517428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43734 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+393) 10Created page with "'''Retina''' is a regex-based programming language. The main design goal of Retina is to be able to use regular expressions with as little boilerplate code as possible. It is ..." < 1439643625 388593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially its IRC style; it has an infuriating tendency of almost making sense < 1439643665 637980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43735&oldid=43734 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+96) 10 < 1439643721 780935 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you mean < 1439643735 686356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43736&oldid=43726 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+35) 10 < 1439643811 389017 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439643913 988218 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never occurred to me you could write a bot in funge < 1439643920 446523 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an IRC bot i mean < 1439643940 209559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Marbelous14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43737&oldid=43194 5* 03ProgramFOX 5* (+2) 10"Stack Exchange" has to be spelled with a space < 1439644148 25695 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439644183 429392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alloxandre < 1439644629 397507 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439644701 218698 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-110-192.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1439644926 147859 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439644985 216805 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matinhansen! < 1439646223 116199 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439646639 243568 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1439646640 410065 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :füngöt/Füngöt is the German pronunciation of fungot. < 1439646714 63447 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely < 1439646967 281600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashellol! < 1439647123 558387 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of a way to turn boily into a greeting, sorry :P < 1439647167 342149 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjourily? < 1439647224 981920 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple accepted pormanthelloes for my name. I think 'bohily' is canonical, but I always appreciate a French touch. < 1439647301 82810 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you perused the PDF in the /topic? < 1439647303 455350 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duly noted < 1439647307 337816 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not < 1439647321 7104 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest, i don't know how to scroll the topic in this client :P < 1439647395 949325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1439647463 929969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf ← < 1439647490 323796 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ;) < 1439647590 863559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: you can also use /topic to query the topic, I suspect < 1439647601 811232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(works for irssi) < 1439647605 921366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to scroll the topic in mine either, although it's usually in the top of the channel window backscroll < 1439647611 714781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that. < 1439647752 49753 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic works, thanks. < 1439651745 976382 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently I didn't know either the pronounciation or the mean of the word "poignant" < 1439651796 246049 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is poynyant, not poyg-nant < 1439651911 43588 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell\oren\! learning French? < 1439651921 701617 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english, apparently < 1439651928 686704 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing. < 1439651934 556042 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1439652511 777786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who thought of that pronunciation should be thrown in gaol < 1439652651 607483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots someone writing "space leek" < 1439652670 533489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Space Leek, Haskellman's nemesis < 1439652771 196787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geôle. < 1439652777 531491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom space leek < 1439652778 409773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `wisdom/*space leek*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory < 1439652789 363799 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? space leek < 1439652790 108901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space leek? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439653526 743662 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439653740 369201 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439653831 925478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: The SPAAAAAAAAACE Leek < 1439654343 486905 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439655152 820240 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439655305 569280 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439655562 467810 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439655569 986815 :J_A_Work_!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439655899 571970 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439656551 383614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1439656598 28296 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439656641 811252 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia < 1439656706 268090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. you stole his line! < 1439656786 713789 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439656928 841447 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my defense, I'm having lunch. < 1439656942 893217 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAA! < 1439657025 660456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunch eh < 1439657031 777528 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :buoilyngiorno < 1439657035 540680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent even breakfasted yet < 1439657060 812176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I had breakfast at 3PM < 1439657071 74692 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439657071 712139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I am in a different time zone to you < 1439657102 82596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. you live in UTC. < 1439657115 62782 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Universal Taneb Compendium) < 1439657124 902952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i live in boilyzone < 1439657157 13478 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you live in boilyzone, with almost certainly the same DST rules. < 1439657179 966164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, currently I'm in BST (Big Summer Taneb) < 1439657198 706147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glad you are more familiar with us time zones and geography than i am with canadian < 1439657199 558067 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding cursive to my font. the useless circled letter characters will be cursive. < 1439657222 332968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does canadian central time start < 1439657226 26318 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: whyyy < 1439657229 919165 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: saskatchewn < 1439657235 949987 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic < 1439657250 844637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sskchwn? < 1439657254 572249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saskatchewan, I think < 1439657265 114208 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ends somewhere in ontario < 1439657269 847011 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because circled characters don't work in a 9x16 form facter < 1439657285 945052 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, or 16x9? < 1439657292 206493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does mountain time start < 1439657303 406781 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 9 pixel wide and 16 high < 1439657354 369052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really confused < 1439657404 798778 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.timetemperature.com/canada/catzmap.gif < 1439657413 551057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks \oren\ < 1439657414 223199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, \oren\. Thoren\. < 1439657420 62955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sskchwn seems too far west to still be central. < 1439657441 699286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the eastern and western central borders < 1439657501 289896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll guess alberta is mountain and BC is pacific and yukon is the next one before pacific < 1439657503 668686 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sk doesn't use daylight savings < 1439657521 11214 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontario uses Central west of the 90 degree W meridian < 1439657525 86073 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, yukon is pacific < 1439657530 217468 :J_A_Work_!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work_ < 1439657535 455170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. provinces can opt out? < 1439657566 872416 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is local jurisdiction < 1439657578 109952 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits of BC also don't use DST < 1439657590 475682 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of BC is pacific, except for that zone and a few areas near Alberta that are on Mountain < 1439657623 93694 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439657669 473448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is all of nwt in mountain. the eastern reaches look more central < 1439657683 504672 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially time can be decided by an individual town < 1439657690 317148 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess those parts are relatively uninhabited anyway < 1439657721 941368 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of canada is uninhabited < 1439657722 785168 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the whole thing is off < 1439657770 210968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2572317/Are-YOU-living-sync-Amazing-map-reveals-manmade-timezones-countries-false-sense-sun-rises.html < 1439657787 510105 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/habited/habitable/ < 1439657809 935385 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of Canada doesn't exist. < 1439657825 205225 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1439657837 490185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: got a sanbai the other day! < 1439657838 262778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i suspect all of cansda is uninhabited. self-proclaimed "canadians" are just americans who dont want the rest of the world to associate them with their fellow countrymen, whom they look down on < 1439657853 820341 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015081302gm-0089-0000-a0731060&tw=1&ts=2 < 1439657931 243035 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439657933 780393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually its not a bad idea < 1439657946 512253 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: was your sambai outrageous? < 1439657955 627801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: good news! i'm canadian too! < 1439658014 91238 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439658031 215630 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Japan's time zone is in sync in Oosaka < 1439658122 390311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not exactly sure it quite works like that. did you pledge your allegiance to HM the Queen? < 1439658128 136227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes Tokyo actually have sunrise ahead of schedule < 1439658517 958325 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get it. Japan time is Kyoto time! < 1439658545 66688 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in Canada we should standardize on Ottawa time. < 1439658547 620012 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439658596 284926 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, the people in Vancouver will have the sun rise at noon! < 1439658640 820828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sure. totes. < 1439658688 31415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :credible. she's Queen of enough places in the world so I can't see why not. < 1439658708 728513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like any true canadian, i can pretend there are still monarchies in the 21st century < 1439658760 156432 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think \oren\ is canadianer than me... < 1439658770 29846 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our money says Elizabeth II D. G. Regina. < 1439658804 621464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does? < 1439658824 191219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a sharpie to his monopoly set < 1439658832 653731 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric := "Elizabeth the Second, by the grace of God, Queen" < 1439659007 426942 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439659556 562483 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439659745 575862 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439660185 44950 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes < 1439660216 147285 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1439661300 801375 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439663595 386942 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439664306 513322 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DETONATING CHICKEN < 1439664315 92310 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439665981 770311 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439666384 90115 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439667075 89818 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1439667152 987952 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439667568 78595 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439667820 979201 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439667846 935578 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439668184 389146 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439668425 441189 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439668587 281910 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439668952 338737 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439669408 8662 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439670121 375145 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439670699 456182 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439670964 407599 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439672192 638737 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439672260 793448 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu peoples < 1439672286 570744 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1439672706 345347 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1439672707 791905 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one's on < 1439672868 273388 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1439672965 41760 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439673038 559206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439673047 335203 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439673846 140224 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de JOIN :#esoteric < 1439674351 779597 :t3cora!~t3cora@2001:470:8b70:1337::c0de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439674442 365608 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439675187 794226 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1439675187 896691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439675203 859369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I'm here. < 1439675203 993753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1439675227 436113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfcuttello < 1439675276 645132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a name I'm not used to see here. < 1439675286 515421 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. < 1439675287 564367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes boily has no adequate reply to it < 1439675315 403439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i see it frequently in /r/friends hth < 1439675412 196469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that montreal bagel opinions are fierce < 1439675602 35781 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: I have ONLY ONCE had a bagel < 1439675610 681540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1439675653 571097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i haven't had that many. there once was a place called "bagel & juice" in the city center, though < 1439675674 161411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly keen on them, and my family never bought them as long as I can remember < 1439676240 404570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/friends??? < 1439676254 173354 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how low my comment went... < 1439676305 252828 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, -4. not so bad. < 1439676713 750769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but was it toasted < 1439676720 90937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.seriouseats.com/2015/05/what-makes-a-good-bagel-bad-bagel-kenji-opinion-untoasted.html hth < 1439676722 120763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1439676727 50641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it had egg and bacon on it < 1439676881 212801 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it I think it was toasted < 1439676928 524488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1439677370 561623 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was a couple of years ago now < 1439677714 981864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wearing an Iron Man costume < 1439677727 792927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere in the hills to the west of Hexham < 1439678004 938896 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a fetish society? < 1439678041 904684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was a few months later < 1439678043 85174 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bagel fetish? < 1439678063 999459 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fetish society < 1439678064 648861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1123) kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar Wound up at my university's fetish society Didn't realise for an hour and a half < 1439678192 3332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: I haven't asked you the The Question yet: what are you approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? < 1439678309 678401 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439678359 313605 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately 52° 9′ N, 4° 29′ E and i don't know < 1439678490 570873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, you can borrow my body weight if you want < 1439678497 279433 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1439678506 456049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I wouldn't recommend having simultaneously my body weight and height < 1439678519 728515 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what height would you recommend < 1439678525 23957 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5'10"? < 1439678529 54899 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5'10" is good < 1439678542 857699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 5'11.5" which makes me a little underweight < 1439678550 172816 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, boily: i'll go with 5'10 and Taneb's weight < 1439678557 306344 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you didn't ask for heigh. < 1439678559 468753 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1439678563 122644 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, heigh. < 1439678575 46365 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's customary to drop the last t, when refering to the The Question. < 1439678576 964324 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb's weight / 5'10 * Taneb's height < 1439678595 298407 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're taller than me. that is unforgivable! < 1439678606 876367 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it correct? < 1439678612 748070 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I didn't mean to! < 1439678618 291837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, you're in the Netherlands? < 1439678652 180064 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarp < 1439678667 907458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm not mistaken, he/she is our first Dutchänneller! < 1439678675 975055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would we do without google maps < 1439678686 812370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, my dad's family originally comes from near Utrecht < 1439678775 162465 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clears his throat. "uuuuh... hallo? hoe gaat het met jou? mijn luchtkussenboot zit vol paling!" < 1439678868 337142 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unfortunate :P < 1439678884 95170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dutch is better than i thought, despite being nonexistent < 1439678900 664634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the last sentence without help < 1439678913 978214 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, although his parents moved to Australia and my dad himself to the UK which is where I live < 1439679000 476336 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wait, he moved from utrecht to australia then to the UK? < 1439679022 667172 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, no, my dad's parents moved when they were children to Australia < 1439679028 63056 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1439679045 454792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then my dad moved to the UK to work for a few years, then met my mum and got married and moved here permanently < 1439679070 864915 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i hope you are making notes on Taneb's family tree for your document < 1439679101 870234 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :furiously. < 1439679129 514886 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, my dad's mum's family name is completely traced! If you ever meet anyone with the unlikely name of Wolswinkel, they will be related to me < 1439679139 404510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, one of my great uncles will know how < 1439679179 614288 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will bear that in mind! < 1439679240 914932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any variants of the name, like Wolfswinkel and van Wolfswinkel and van Wolswinkel < 1439679253 753467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is doomed to being met. < 1439679294 477837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I've never met anyone in this channel whom I hadn't already met when they joined < 1439679327 905073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my knowledge < 1439679339 415218 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe we've met :P < 1439679432 124044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't expect so < 1439679437 215746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of people in the world < 1439679476 325193 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did you mean meet in person < 1439679493 697414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1439679514 479327 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I will go to bed now < 1439679538 399085 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1439679653 231505 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1439679679 664814 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what are your coordinates and weigh then < 1439679848 481579 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coördinates: FN35EM; weigh: about 160 lbs. < 1439679866 159546 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I gained weight since... I should drop the weekly poutine.) < 1439680028 457968 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so canadia? < 1439680123 934796 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. and the weird part of it. < 1439680161 550696 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the french part? < 1439680264 138897 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439680280 218745 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can my friend's brand new 8gb ram, 64-bit laptop have worse performance than my 2006 laptop?!?!?!? < 1439680305 233106 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windws 8 is utter fail < 1439680426 536248 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: also true. < 1439680462 901060 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :québéc? < 1439680515 899535 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Montréal, Québec. < 1439680625 23278 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*môntréàl < 1439680669 400246 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly mapoles ashl < 1439680697 283768 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you happen to speak French? your accents are strangely purposeful. < 1439680893 242406 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :un pettee puh < 1439680941 447122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pârlëz-võús fràn darn i don't know how to make a cedille < 1439680966 360003 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you speak any french? or just québécois :) < 1439680984 945095 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439680987 744360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on goggles for better mapole view < 1439681020 78460 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that means < 1439681025 519021 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1439681026 439046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. < 1439681037 875789 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: it's a maple pole. a mapole. < 1439681054 44908 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: < 1439681055 247104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot fathom why ais523 doesn't think the wisdom/ isn't useful < 1439681059 496459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1439681063 885535 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles oerjan with elegance < 1439681092 723134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :un bon mapole blanc < 1439681111 86767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infamous nasal-vowels-sentence. < 1439681175 406147 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439681193 736989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's mapole in québécois anyway < 1439681266 237399 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne question. < 1439681281 37770 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perchérable? < 1439681351 195153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1439681365 642040 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perche, érable. < 1439681409 629817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1439681482 271736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pålønn < 1439681580 590205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _could_ be a norwegian word, but i can find no use that isn't a typo. < 1439681593 939432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rather unlikely one, mind < 1439681758 183277 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a Norwegian word in disguise. < 1439682764 635146 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439683185 705358 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloppavilion[1]! < 1439683354 216113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm wondering... < 1439683454 779599 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which convex 38-hedron, with only triangular and quadrilateral faces, has the smallest number of symmetry orbits for its faces, besides the 19-gonal bipyramid? < 1439684105 232751 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'see, I'm thinking of ways to make a d38. < 1439684138 208161 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is definitely the leading contender for the shape: http://www-wales.ch.cam.ac.uk/~wales/CCD/Thomson/gif/38.gif < 1439684218 106002 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that consists entirely of hexagons and pentagons. I'd like a shape that has faces with fewer edges, while still having few face symmetry orbits. < 1439684283 425930 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439684355 803819 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott. you'd like to build a d38 with only one kind of face? < 1439684362 648638 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439684725 389601 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to do that is by making a top-shaped die. I want a ball-shaped one instead, so I'll have to settle for having multiple kinds of faces. < 1439685151 664792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. I want to come up with a 38-hedron which is as symmetrical as possible and has as few vertices as possible. < 1439685179 313104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the dual problem easier to visualize: coming up with a polyhedron with 38 vertices, which is as symmetrical as possible and has as few faces as possible. < 1439685257 930732 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start by figuring out what kind of symmetry I want. < 1439685758 457819 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you aren't OK with a barrel die? < 1439685766 773504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1439685770 734634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be ball-shaped. < 1439685774 353631 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this just a thought experiment or does it have a practical application < 1439685776 142081 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1439685778 834176 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why use dice at all? use a RNG < 1439685797 635026 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1439685804 89065 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there slashes in your name now? < 1439685823 651980 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone else already registered the nick oren < 1439685829 926253 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1439685831 177375 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1439685832 314585 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1439685836 721960 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :oren < 1439685848 122220 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always use a pyramid-shaped die with a rounded bottom :P < 1439685853 723220 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well they aren't logged in right now whoever they are < 1439685859 73840 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rougly circular in my mind xD < 1439685885 972171 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, oren! Build a machine with the soul purpose of cracking IRC NickServ passwords! < 1439685939 134549 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it sole? < 1439685941 33095 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1439685954 590055 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The practical application is that it will be impressive. < 1439685986 470256 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1439685991 378578 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to you need to geometrically prove that it is the optimal die? < 1439686023 532219 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a D&D Cassino... < 1439686035 274470 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a sphere, and cut 38 faces evenly distributed along a great circle. It will roll until it lands on one < 1439686046 912157 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never actually played D&D xD < 1439686067 862862 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ahve played D&D exactly twice < 1439686073 539835 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: That's pretty ballular < 1439686093 558954 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: And if you make the sides triangles, that gives you a total of... < 1439686103 890722 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles to himself and messes with his hands for a moment < 1439686119 800296 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :114 vertices < 1439686149 713937 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need to be optimal, but I want it to be pretty good. < 1439686158 627488 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming a sphere has 1 as opposed to infinitely many as a layman might think < 1439686163 458968 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' laymen... < 1439686171 872190 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of vertices of a sphere? < 1439686173 145443 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking our jobs < 1439686176 617965 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stealing our women < 1439686182 392419 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really depends on what you classify as optimal < 1439686193 644625 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... yes, I think I'd say a sphere has one vertex, no edges, and one face. < 1439686221 55962 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you could either demand that there be a vertex or not. < 1439686224 338558 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the purposes of dice, it has none of those features < 1439686225 518554 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a smart, creative, programmer with an enthusiasm for strangeness gotta do to keep his standard a' livin' now-a-days < 1439686234 820791 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1439686241 228753 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't forget the question mark :p < 1439686246 887504 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/p/P/ < 1439686258 255677 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, lemme think about that sphere thing. < 1439686280 641701 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that formula. Edges = vertices + faces + 2? < 1439686283 179672 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sphere has not vertices, as far as I can tell < 1439686295 670560 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's something like that < 1439686296 625332 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, how about edges = vertices + faces - 2? < 1439686307 650940 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think that only applies to polyhedra < 1439686318 370422 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah spheres really don't count < 1439686323 59495 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION picks up his magic, perfect sphere from beside his bed and investigates it < 1439686323 695478 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1439686326 55165 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No verticees < 1439686330 546740 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ee/e/ < 1439686343 672788 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I think a sphere definitely has no edges and one face. So the formula would be 0 = vertices + 1 - 2. < 1439686361 240734 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One vertex, if you want a sphere to be like a polyhedron. < 1439686364 814211 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on what you call a face < 1439686380 340491 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would classify round things as not faces < 1439686388 351346 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1439686390 861344 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because dice aren't supposed to land on round things < 1439686394 306818 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#geometrybitches < 1439686421 700757 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what was I doing. < 1439686455 182723 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently this shape has 38 vertices: http://www-wales.ch.cam.ac.uk/~wales/CCD/Thomson/gif/21.gif < 1439686460 888617 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you were attempting to square the circle < 1439686466 533084 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... it's likely to have 38 vertices. < 1439686471 579135 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And later, you were planning on doubling the cube < 1439686473 202313 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 21 faces. < 1439686493 721012 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, doubling the cube has a much lower impossibility level than squaring the circle. < 1439686499 2585 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Treu < 1439686500 912514 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*True < 1439686544 703050 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you were planning to finish trisecting the angle in the morning < 1439686545 158060 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't see the entire shape at the link there. < 1439686580 405321 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see enough of it though < 1439686592 738831 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the shape and extrapolating, it seems like it has eight hexagons and twelve pentagons. < 1439686604 740539 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, of course, dealing with cubes again, you were going to octuple one < 1439686604 952512 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's only 20 faces. It definitely has 21 faces, so there must be an extra face somewhere. < 1439686641 843515 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, even you doubted the possiblity of that < 1439686682 792283 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one of the edges is replaced with a quadrilateral. (Rectangle, even.) < 1439686685 542193 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the information available to construct that gif? < 1439686719 385833 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Got something that'll render an XYZ file? < 1439686752 961654 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shape-it-seems-to-be has 20 faces and 36 vertices. Replacing an edge with a quadrilateral will turn that into 21 faces and 38 vertices. < 1439686758 658980 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my screensavers will iirc < 1439686765 33315 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://threejs.org/editor/ < 1439686789 577176 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: will that take XYZ files? < 1439686794 582891 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1439686794 637517 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1439686802 327240 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not this xyz < 1439686803 69331 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't? bleh :/ < 1439686812 561839 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1439686870 201454 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only video-like files I ever use are .QΠØs < 1439686901 587248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Maybe I can have a dual polyhedron consisting entirely of pentagons, hexagons, and vertices with exactly 3 edges. < 1439686953 524873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what kind of unholy file extension is that? < 1439686968 156473 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen unholier < 1439686971 11643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Last seen : Sep 01 08:19:40 2014 (49w 5d 16h ago) < 1439686974 422934 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 vertices means 57 edges, so... 57 = 38 + faces - 2, so faces = 57 - 38 + 2, or... 21? < 1439686980 201313 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 hexagons, 12 pentagons? < 1439686982 595426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take over that nick if you want < 1439686992 600027 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That could be workable. < 1439687001 494053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _way_ over the expiry limit < 1439687022 120201 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Catholic Church's standard file extensions consist of a CJK character, an Emoji, and a 8x8 px 4-frame GIF file < 1439687085 151357 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time duration of the GIF matters to the file extension < 1439687089 977969 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still think mine is that unholy? < 1439687097 581251 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? < 1439687121 919048 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm not even sure that file contains the edges < 1439687159 411938 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't. < 1439687167 144201 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to add those manually. < 1439687171 554705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or add those automatically, if you can. < 1439687199 89156 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one of the things I'm working on is a program to do geometry for people < 1439687201 197031 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fungot in the Heavenly Bit Bucket, please have mercy on hppavilion[1]'s soul, amen(1). < 1439687201 298559 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord fnord fnord. fnord < 1439687238 538531 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to add an easter egg where if you enter some code, it starts doing Sacred Geometry to troll the New Agers? < 1439687277 597535 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to make this thing work, here. If I want 3-fold rotational symmetry, I can do that by putting vertices at the poles. Then I'll have 3 lunes, each containing 3 hexagons and 4 pentagons. < 1439687336 557423 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also have symmetry across the equator, meaning I have 6 half-lunes, each containing 1.5 hexagons and 2 pentagons. < 1439687380 412767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: please note that fungot is sentient enough by itself to evolve that feature. fnord. < 1439687380 515627 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: true geeks will also celebrate 2048, of course < 1439687425 471119 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: True < 1439687532 570083 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thinking about implementing that program gives me a headache < 1439687558 496607 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a snub cube? < 1439687626 707362 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like that would be better than whatever that thing was < 1439687633 902383 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uhmvqtseudxcokjh QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439687673 730656 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: ...dude, that's wonderful. < 1439687676 486316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it. < 1439687712 918875 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frickin' perfect. < 1439687875 299386 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful, wonderful. < 1439688106 159847 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439688110 30361 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wnhioojnsqzjmhbk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats < 1439688112 970389 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would snubbing cubes be useful? aren't we meant to like polyhedra, instead of rejecting them? < 1439688123 782283 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fellowl! < 1439688365 583719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very enthusiastic about this snub cube. < 1439688508 506369 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439691157 58296 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439691392 302811 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439691438 667198 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439691448 635651 :rg_!~rg_@c-50-174-107-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1439691767 345599 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439692362 585862 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elongated_pentagonal_gyrocupolarotunda < 1439692487 958439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439693010 689962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PUNCTURE CHICKEN < 1439693074 389675 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it correct to say that every fair die should be the dual to a uniform polyhedron? < 1439693198 937931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Natta < 1439693223 123001 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because the above implies that the centres of each face are sort of equally spaced < 1439694240 410167 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439694768 733783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play and record Dungeons&Dragons game. But, the d10 dice is not the Platonic solid < 1439694830 865059 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439695152 645405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added the solo channel mode into playmod but will then add other stuff too such as support for .XI files < 1439695568 658395 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the d10 is the dual to the 10-antiprism < 1439696522 642201 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439696551 110947 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439697183 555818 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439698203 890554 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dcqwubfqggxnyqen JOIN :#esoteric < 1439698636 391083 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439698883 497074 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seconds < 1439715532 442155 :bhagavad!~nhooram@141.70.3.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439715695 225046 :bhagavad!~nhooram@141.70.3.96 PART :#esoteric < 1439719525 989820 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439719683 91590 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439720040 364494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitary_operation refer to "Garbage in, garbage out"... < 1439720271 287887 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... have no idea < 1439721501 526270 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439721528 460399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439721629 453369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439721714 283256 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439721975 264047 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:tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439736346 965830 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439736724 611859 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439737073 200914 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.124.37 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client < 1439737237 802674 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroing < 1439737460 273829 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439737730 503384 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlo < 1439738042 433892 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syn < 1439738050 758312 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 OK < 1439738178 522923 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439738223 288633 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe how much memory it takes to link the chromium binary < 1439738921 261831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43738&oldid=43398 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+13883) 10Add whitespace < 1439739147 812858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Alter < 1439739517 295805 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439739601 518911 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439741298 36886 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439741606 741782 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439741863 583207 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439741989 826069 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439742120 430967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439742212 255997 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439743634 512163 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439743878 545657 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439744052 785970 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439744235 229543 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439744846 858855 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439744935 528380 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439745055 882872 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439745194 118263 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439745328 9028 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.136.135 PART :#esoteric < 1439746147 125635 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I think fair dice only have to be dual to a vertex-transitive polyhedron, i.e. fair dice have to be face-transitive. < 1439746328 679807 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think henry segerman has a series of videos where he shows every possible face-transitive die < 1439747193 302273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439747920 187194 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Hmmm... yah that makes sense < 1439748500 500148 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :oren < 1439748650 757861 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439748975 91362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439749081 554599 :aloril!~aloril@84.248.14.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439749100 910999 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439749185 436436 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439750297 973372 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a wargame where the game world is a poincare disk < 1439750403 452074 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i guess the game world is a hyperbolic plane. the VIEW on the game world is a poincare disk < 1439750406 917542 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439750418 478727 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi variable < 1439750429 320693 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: hi < 1439751780 38522 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1439752072 992973 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439752330 457492 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439752438 679391 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439753562 941342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: oops < 1439753746 253410 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1439753846 940873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1439754010 694548 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :BrieFly < 1439754023 952013 :BrieFly!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhiniht < 1439754585 536177 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so its hyperrogue but an RTS instead? < 1439754770 15797 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439755288 432876 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439755655 536714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43739&oldid=39904 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-89) 10 < 1439756274 328424 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439756293 959094 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439756369 777323 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439756417 595069 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439756477 478225 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439756624 991129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439756678 589382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439756936 638279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : idea: a wargame where the game world is a poincare disk <-- hm, exponentially growing empires... < 1439757063 146666 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you actually store hyperbolic space on a computer < 1439757086 36991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy graph? < 1439757090 154116 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no native equivalent of cartesian coordinates, after all < 1439757102 3191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tilings... < 1439757171 873937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are there fractal - no, _reverse_ fractal ones? < 1439757174 436545 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess. but then you're taking a massive overhead < 1439757185 488764 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use 3d points on a hyperboloid? < 1439757203 205009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there's embeddings into R^3 < 1439757262 372548 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are embeddings into r^2 surely < 1439757267 361085 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no isometries though < 1439757275 430970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, e.g. the poincare disk mentioned < 1439757280 184864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows on SSD and Linux on HDD or other way round < 1439757304 510119 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hyperboloid method works pretty well i guess in that you have an easy metric to compute < 1439757319 740368 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: depends, what are you using them for? < 1439757327 979975 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why not both on one? < 1439757402 373925 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Windows mostly for gaming and when I need to run Windows only software, Linux for browsing internet and programming < 1439757407 797455 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both OS on ssd, put your mutable data on the HDD < 1439757485 176904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's effort < 1439757487 599728 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good thing about the hyperboloid model is you can use the lorentz transforms < 1439757533 415709 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also probably your best bet < 1439757545 119277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your machine UEFI? < 1439757550 6689 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1439757550 640135 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can avoid a lot of futzing with bootloaders if so < 1439757554 308579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second hand machine < 1439757556 907294 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1439757572 933321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/alanbriolat/e2e3e5f4969840d18bae is some info if it helps < 1439757696 355199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What counts a mutable data < 1439757711 300859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec tab of the motherboard link on that page does say "ASUS UEFI BIOS EZ Mode featuring friendly graphics user interface". < 1439757717 842079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1439757722 904007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I have UEFI < 1439757757 242806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll probably need to fiddle around in the "BIOS" setup page to turn it on. < 1439757807 157365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A command such as echo $'#EXTENDED\n#DIVISIONS 32\n@0="COSMO.xi"\nA @0c1\n' | amigamml | playmod f=44100 c=1 b=16 v=190 | aplay -r 44100 -c 1 -t raw -f S16_LE can be used to play back a .XI file, although I try to make playmod to directly play back .XI file too if possible < 1439757865 90408 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439757866 769309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although currently it does not work. < 1439757891 899934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean playmod currently does not play back .XI file; the long piped command does work, but it requires AmigaMML, clearly) < 1439757914 23376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I was last installing a Windows, it was kind of picky about what sort of installation media you could do an UEFI install from. < 1439757953 854387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALEA IACTA EST < 1439757971 17755 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439758028 470923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you can boot whatever you're trying to install it from with the boot settings set to "UEFI only", it's likely to work. < 1439758427 721149 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439759105 229104 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1439759302 773622 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1439759339 470173 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439760263 407286 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439760385 893446 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1439760392 505640 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1439760392 560054 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439760469 724425 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439761523 88455 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439761588 481731 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439763235 606737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the Prismata campaign has improved/become more tutorially lately < 1439763242 661758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to look < 1439763443 407802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already know how to play, don't know? < 1439763446 299490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1439763507 844760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the mechanics, or did. Not really how to play well < 1439763613 326759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should jam when I get back home. < 1439763636 263370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played in a long time, I'm sure you only improved. I think we can already declare you the winner < 1439763641 504437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ok < 1439763670 598368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only play against the computer. < 1439764703 991937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ready to jam? < 1439764724 134655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if it takes more than 20 minutes, I usually head out to eat 7 eastern < 1439764737 996809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can set it to a quick clock. < 1439764775 964191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1439764798 115192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will make me lose even harder, but we can play again after I eat < 1439764877 705446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll admit that opening move was suboptimal. < 1439764945 403732 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439765033 615922 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439765068 68449 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439765202 644220 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439765442 518165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg < 1439765445 568483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was horrible < 1439765831 766753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this example of how amigamml and playmod programs are working? I don't know of any similar programs for dealing with tracker music formats! < 1439765840 39654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Usually people start out by building something that generates gold. < 1439765852 933028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you consider yourself exempt. < 1439765891 112032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, engineers help build drones to generate gold, or did you mean something else? < 1439765910 21857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your first turn you just clicked all your drones and did nothing. < 1439765922 655293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually you would QDD or something. < 1439765951 560535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I consider myself as having barely remembered a thing < 1439765952 887395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* 10New user account < 1439765975 514513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1439765977 118546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43740 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+4172) 10Created page with "'''MagiStack''' is a [[stack]]-based [[esoteric programming language]] created by Connor Scialdone. It is based loosely on Unefunge (a one-dimensional offshoot of [[Befunge]])..." < 1439765994 906028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really just talking about your name, though. < 1439766191 989751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1439766320 87410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be confused. < 1439766489 306215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43741&oldid=43740 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+39) 10 < 1439767009 745851 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439767645 462855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43742&oldid=43741 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+110) 10 < 1439767729 678018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43743&oldid=43736 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+16) 10/* M */ < 1439768482 758274 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439768567 126843 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lukego/blog cool idea < 1439768974 630507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lhooq14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43744&oldid=36245 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+28) 10 < 1439768987 820141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lhooq14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43745&oldid=43744 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+2) 10 < 1439768998 424343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lhooq14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43746&oldid=43745 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-30) 10 < 1439769345 181083 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose < 1439769356 505224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1137) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1439769403 986149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43747&oldid=43742 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-7) 10 < 1439769846 498314 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce ꙮs? < 1439769866 30304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ is "multiocular o" < 1439769878 647910 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1439771303 863470 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :DrSinner < 1439771317 713360 :DrSinner!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1439771703 642455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43748&oldid=39856 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+787) 10 < 1439771819 932777 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ꙮ in my font but it is probably a nasal ingressive voiceless velar trill < 1439771866 727029 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wikipedia says its the honeycomb one < 1439772159 960953 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is pronounced [o] < 1439772679 719969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439772977 823038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43749&oldid=43748 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+238) 10 < 1439773082 535127 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439773135 911553 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439773309 480593 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes coppro in the haneman < 1439773584 664664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43750&oldid=43749 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+338) 10 < 1439773857 883457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43751&oldid=43750 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (-7) 10 < 1439773900 53359 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439773917 462509 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, I've created a monster < 1439773921 805695 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hyperfunge < 1439773931 717185 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic geometry version of befunge < 1439773938 965709 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's aboslutely hideous :D < 1439774001 773143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hyperbolic geometry befunge sounds excellently eso :-) < 1439774064 561498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand the directions in which you can execute code, though < 1439774081 863482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a picture would be helpful (that projects onto a euclidean space via the use of scaling) < 1439774204 960832 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hey! long time no see! < 1439774226 721234 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you have no right creating hyperbolic esolangs on Sundays late at night. < 1439774344 832631 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, it would need a picture < 1439774347 663941 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey :3 < 1439774371 660899 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah well... these things happen :o < 1439774404 507102 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ow that was rude < 1439774476 512781 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda wanted to incorporate the expansion properties of hyperbolic space into the language more but just gave up :D < 1439774591 427600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we definitely need some kind of picture/example/synæsthetic experience for that. < 1439774624 301571 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but not on sunday late at night :D < 1439774642 961920 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point. < 1439774692 208707 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sorry. I only got tenpai on a closed chinitsu today. I couldn't achieve outrageousness. < 1439774847 151555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one idea I've had would've been to have a program with an infinitely tiled portion < 1439774895 210055 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store data independently from the stack you'd use the index of the tile respective to the non-tiled portion < 1439775011 178337 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like a square tiling would be better than a pentagonal one? < 1439775076 874132 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could translate befunge semantics a lot more naturally then < 1439775191 285958 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, is this the grid: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Uniform_tiling_552-t1.png < 1439775261 74633 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's ok. I haven't been doing well since that game < 1439775349 181282 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yes! < 1439775439 116962 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where to draw the middle line < 1439775465 419297 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's the best grid for a hyperbolic fungeroid but I like the pentagonal thing going on < 1439775493 42467 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris : the line at the left of the center pentagon looks like it'd work < 1439775556 733763 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with using pentagons is that you have no notion of opposite sides so you can't define a line on the tiling < 1439775607 510509 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's more an edge < 1439775648 583636 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has the catch that there are really two versions of each of the 5 directions you can move in < 1439775654 857180 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're following an edge then that's the same as using the square tiling < 1439775719 258018 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like "sprialing out from the center" would be a more natural way to store the instructions? < 1439775721 472414 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, moving leftwards, you can either move leftwards in a way that undoes a right-up move, or in a way that undoes a right-down move... < 1439775743 220843 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to the same pentagon except the IP is not in the same orientation < 1439775765 64342 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris : yeah that's the other option < 1439775778 793876 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris : or a sierpinsky type grid < 1439775897 109724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sierpiński < 1439775915 929002 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can either start with a middle point (going to 5 edges and 5 corners), or a central equator with edges on both sides (the solution here), or a line of pentagons each with 1 edge leading downwards and 2 edges 1 corner upwards < 1439776041 62422 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a middle corner touching 4 pentagons < 1439776048 112613 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should draw some crude pictures about how the PC moves, mapping 1abcXYZdefghUVW etc. < 1439776070 729915 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but tonight I can't be bothered :3 < 1439776080 3161 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have weak hyperbolic geometry skillz but this is basically impossible to read and imagine :( < 1439776100 928937 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hyperbolic geometry is impossible for everybody :o < 1439776101 891897 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1439776107 828078 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the point actually < 1439776165 888598 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hi%5Cn help, i'm clicking through random pages and finding horrible languages < 1439776239 608682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjań. < 1439776260 332975 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, goodrjanight! < 1439776268 658479 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CASSETTE CHICKEN < 1439776307 780875 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you even find that < 1439776374 983452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: "random page", probably < 1439776387 21602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented the BF Derivative Random Page Game < 1439776394 444607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stopped playing it because it was too depressing < 1439776415 892775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rules: keep pressing Random Page until you find a language you designed, your score is minus the number of BF derivatives you find on the way) < 1439776461 620763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Hi\n isn't as bad as some I've seen < 1439776472 829174 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439776473 38406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ does similar space better, though, I think < 1439776499 551615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language appears to have been invented independently, though, and does one of HQ9+'s jokes better while missing the others < 1439776604 470181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I've been clicking on random pages < 1439776618 855244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this BF derivative is probably the second-worst I've seen: http://esolangs.org/wiki/And_then < 1439776630 808883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the worst involved doing something that prevented loops working) < 1439776682 928747 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is certainly something < 1439776721 838968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really there's absolutely no reason for it to be based on brainfuck < 1439777168 488809 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439777574 712628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43752&oldid=43747 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+0) 10 < 1439777822 765800 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found an actually good language and wrote an interpreter! < 1439777874 627119 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1439777992 999372 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minimum -> http://lpaste.net/138992 < 1439777997 174493 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439778028 204524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: haha :-) < 1439778031 380105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that use of absurd < 1439778068 751717 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, especially absurd :: Void -> IO ()! < 1439778074 296366 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex falsum interpreter < 1439778110 457266 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the parser failing for all finite strings. i'm proud < 1439778227 486949 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have to figure out how to garbage collect one particularly crazy language I've come up with < 1439778258 74711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: does the behaviour of the garbage collector change the language semantics? < 1439778312 457132 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, only if it changes which programs leak and which ones dont < 1439778317 809086 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... I think it does < 1439778342 461278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: oh, my suggestion was going to be "just leak and use boehm-gc" if it doesn't change the semantics < 1439778359 420603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are definitely languages, like Perl, where the GC behaviour is observable from inside the language itself though < 1439778397 793962 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439778443 330080 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that since the already computed data is immutable, computation must generate ever more data < 1439778469 92119 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hard to define when previously computed data becomes irrelevant and can be dumped < 1439778473 699521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1439778499 295715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like that eval. < 1439778561 675619 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess that due to the semantics of the language it can regenerate data that it dumped < 1439778571 301582 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it turns out it really needed it < 1439778578 501145 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how would you have written it? < 1439778617 283706 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: referring to http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.golf/2002/07/msg1289.html? < 1439778663 549356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: was actually refering to Scalar::Util::weaken; the description of Scalar::Util is as a place to put things that are effectively part of the base language, but aren't used enough to be in the language core < 1439778707 31325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that thing is genius :-) < 1439778713 420118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity it doesn't work on graphs with loops in < 1439778821 700138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Minimum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43753&oldid=13038 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+657) 10 < 1439778899 966485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Minimum14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43754&oldid=43753 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+18) 10add a header for this i guess < 1439779248 748559 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could just randomly dump data when reaching the data limit < 1439779272 232055 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that with a real randomness source it would have to reach the solution...EVENTUALLY :3 < 1439779428 14197 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it is also simultaneously possible that it never reaches the solution < 1439779459 187154 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1439779489 674389 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think the execution time would grow exponentially with each extra byte over the gc limit :o < 1439779513 109847 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...think < 1439779513 323400 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439779524 839907 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439779777 91541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: http://lpaste.net/138992#a138993 < 1439781873 572891 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439782035 229749 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439782214 642664 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439782676 635539 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439782707 325198 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nickname for a group of three binary bits? I thought it was 'trit' but that's apparently a single ternary digit < 1439782738 492596 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439782742 917783 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wikipedia says it's a triad or triade < 1439783089 406461 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trit doesn't make sense. a bit would need to be two digits then < 1439783196 420475 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439783220 190045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1439783222 137213 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1439783281 110568 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3bits" < 1439783294 469019 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3/8ths of a byte" < 1439783338 477936 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very popular bit grouping due to not fitting very well in bytes < 1439783351 753815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal! < 1439783392 179611 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal is not very popular, either < 1439783430 518884 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right exactly < 1439783614 128433 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it an "octal-digit" < 1439784186 579518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :octit? < 1439784293 445211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nit < 1439784949 912582 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yzlyzwwumvvtjahq JOIN :#esoteric < 1439785010 364896 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :octet, therefore tertet. < 1439785074 350268 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quatet would be 4 bits or one hex digit < 1439785121 846582 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentet is one base 32 digit. sextet is one base64 digit < 1439785139 927579 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quatet/quartet/ < 1439785173 92973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used "nybble" before to mean one hex digit or four bits, this is also sometimes used elsewhere. < 1439785235 728936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "octet" generally when defining a VM or something else that has memory cells larger than eight bits and are addressable by the longer cells instead of by octets. < 1439785249 162314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that mean "octet" always means 8-bits regardless of the size of memory cells < 1439785410 334194 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and then we can also use hexdecet for unambigously a 16 bit word < 1439785448 896131 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitrigintet is 32 bits < 1439785523 479205 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quattrisexagintet is a 64 bit unit < 1439785626 377297 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :centioctovigintet is 128 bits < 1439785951 818736 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerds < 1439787215 102824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you feel the need to say that in /this/ channel? :-D < 1439787375 534394 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking thon thon < 1439787381 136023 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this god damn starwars < 1439787410 637968 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's thon thon? < 1439787453 431064 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thontet did thon's dishes < 1439787466 839719 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1439787487 575208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's best suited here, isn't it? < 1439787510 573299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1439787637 441206 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1439678080638.webm < 1439787654 756705 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn yourselves in peacefully terrorists < 1439787689 833725 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439787727 965375 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1439788250 694247 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439788258 675515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description of e-TeX says they added classes of marks since it seem like a good idea; however I have been able to do classes of marks without e-TeX, using only standard TeX operations. < 1439790286 490909 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439790523 404698 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439790585 463018 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439790677 675088 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that chris morris < 1439791148 675551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1439791247 286086 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439791360 474934 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=275318 this is mildly interesting but not enough to pay 15$, can someone provide it for free? >.> < 1439791388 715461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that one about? < 1439791408 425742 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing english with yacc < 1439791423 721517 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i know < 1439791433 168400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a copy to provide for free anyways (as far as I know) < 1439791457 850065 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that English the natural language or English the computer language? < 1439791468 776360 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the natural language < 1439791497 543042 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah natural language according to the references < 1439791576 642284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it's probably a bad idea to ask people to pirate academic papers for you, after what happened to aaron schwartz < 1439791597 513526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend checking the author's/authors' website, though < 1439791604 377972 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1439791607 235982 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that someone is a part of the ACM < 1439791627 64447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often it has a preprint (basically, the same paper before proofreading/peer review), which the author's allowed to post publicly < 1439791631 169675 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has the ability to download copies and share maybe one copy, I haven't read any fine text but I could see that < 1439791665 216585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how draconian the ACM is < 1439791683 284352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the major places has a guest access thing where you can look at (but not download) something like four papers per month < 1439791688 848501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even as a non-member < 1439791787 797418 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to 'Request Permissions' maybe, it appears as if that's for non-members < 1439792056 239640 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, what happened to Schwartz was controversial because people are used to pirating academic papers. < 1439792085 345254 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This particular paper should be worth the $15 though. That's only $5 per page! < 1439792109 962674 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 5$ per page more than what i'm going to spend <.< < 1439792211 779750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that gets me about academic paper charging is that the charge for individual papers is always utterly overblown < 1439792219 145982 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“© 1998 ACM l-58113-030-9/98/0004 $3.50” < 1439792224 465240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they price were reduced, there's a chance that people might actually spend it sometimes < 1439792241 546888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the ACM's papers always have a price on the copyright line IIRC, and I have no idea what it refers to < 1439792603 179804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43755 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+192) 10Created page with "??? is an esoteric programming language created by Stack Exchange users Alex A. and BrainSteel. It uses the punctuation within a literary work to perform operations akin to th..." < 1439792652 447880 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439792683 506733 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a separate wiki to catalogue the rapidly developing field of brainfuck derivatives < 1439792882 996095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a brainfuck derivative with the exact syntax and semantics of Python < 1439792920 424081 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the opposite < 1439793049 401258 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43756&oldid=43755 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+173) 10 < 1439793187 76814 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yzlyzwwumvvtjahq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439793187 999633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43757&oldid=43756 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+10) 10 < 1439793263 499150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43758&oldid=43752 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+72) 10Probably NOT TC < 1439793292 632173 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43759&oldid=43758 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+33) 10 < 1439793634 784680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43760&oldid=43759 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+5) 10Humm, OTOH branching doesn't look good enough for a PDA; is it ? < 1439794288 178302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43761&oldid=43757 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+112) 10Definitely not TC < 1439794361 822304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43762&oldid=43761 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+1155) 10 < 1439794566 544147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43763&oldid=43762 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+35) 10 < 1439795113 176281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:???14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43764 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+105) 10Created page with ""it is not Turing complete due to the loss of nested loops." I don't see why you can't have nested loops." < 1439795136 824312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43765&oldid=43764 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+106) 10 < 1439795202 763802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw I agree with the talk page post < 1439795268 126788 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43766&oldid=43765 5* 03Ais523 5* (+310) 10agree < 1439795376 879238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43767&oldid=43766 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+193) 10 < 1439795421 306217 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43768&oldid=43763 5* 03Ais523 5* (+114) 10is TC; clarify what ' does < 1439795834 710659 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439796084 425346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439796907 321998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439798390 307727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:???14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43769&oldid=43767 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+250) 10 < 1439798552 975923 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-227-29.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1439798749 908946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone here on Linux > 3.8 run "unshare -Ur true" as not-root and let me know if it produces an error? (this relates to weboflies 2) < 1439798800 402196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, really, anywhere, but I thought I'd ask here because this channel a) is often responsive to bizarre requests, and b) is vaguely aware of weboflies < 1439798832 342024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshare: unshare failed: Invalid argument < 1439798844 975472 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 4.1 < 1439798862 906292 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with unshare from util-linux 2.26.2 < 1439798873 925160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1439798882 236806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused, because that is a /different/ error from the one I'm getting < 1439798901 69821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it should succeed, given that that's the simplest possible valid use of the -r option < 1439798910 492288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I ask is that I suspect there might be a kernel bug < 1439798934 575703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ unshare -Ur true < 1439798935 974579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshare: write failed /proc/self/gid_map: Operation not permitted < 1439798937 927824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I get < 1439798955 894402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: oh, probably you have unshare compiled out in your kernel < 1439798970 38566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, unshare user namespaces < 1439798990 798783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd explain the symptoms you're seeing, it isn't very useful for me to know if the bug's fixed though < 1439799077 436827 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439799147 820980 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't compile my kernel < 1439799156 510834 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i honestly don't know much about this < 1439799212 677452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, I wasn't necessarily expecting people to understand what the command did (it is harmless, though) < 1439799231 451835 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to disappoint < 1439799241 510528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be surprising to see what it does without the "true" at the end (which makes it a no-op), if you aren't prepared for it, although it doesn't actually break security < 1439799378 346582 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439800130 247937 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439802041 77580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL today < 1439803710 441754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439804243 848485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mov14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43770&oldid=43287 5* 03194.19.70.9 5* (+10) 10mov is not 'esoteric' in any meaning of the word < 1439805336 450380 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439805371 88384 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439805446 938509 :zadock!~outsider@5-13-227-29.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439805648 464842 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439806018 837096 :shikhiniht!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1439806205 271468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439806927 932580 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have made progress today < 1439806989 678377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progress < 1439807003 645048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439807047 851776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. < 1439807052 670469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'progres': Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. < 1439807256 257669 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439807287 988604 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439807292 474807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439808312 804035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice plural handling. < 1439808420 229145 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progresss < 1439808421 83903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :progresss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439808423 143593 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progress < 1439808424 629480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. < 1439808425 479765 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progres < 1439808426 473122 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. < 1439808491 247715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439808747 593883 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/the reals,/the reals, progress,/' wisdom/tanebvention < 1439808751 329641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439808851 597679 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I ought to be more careful about what I say just in case it becomes a tanebvention < 1439808946 800061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I see it, everything already is a tanebvention. except those things which are explicitely not, therefore they are. < 1439809110 78215 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're highlighting the most egregious ones, I think. like weetoflakes. < 1439809123 913270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the only one I actually invented < 1439809131 3877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"invented" < 1439809169 561651 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1439809577 512250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1439810536 370518 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SEDIMENTARY CHICKEN < 1439810804 642637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I missed the plural thing < 1439810827 992864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/progres < 1439810829 714856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439810843 494763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progress < 1439810844 193858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439810849 752770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1439810853 356606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1439810857 531266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progress < 1439810858 314043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. < 1439812176 340211 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439812631 928029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439814634 317192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now a different set of people is online < 1439814674 928374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : could someone here on Linux > 3.8 run "unshare -Ur true" as not-root and let me know if it produces an error? (this relates to weboflies 2) < 1439814690 553482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person already tried but I think the relevant kernel config option was disabled < 1439814795 155572 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unshare: unshare failed: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt < 1439814814 766719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess it isn't enabled on your kernel either :-( < 1439814821 856085 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Ant 4.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.1.3-1 (2015-08-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1439814899 697442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant feature is user namespaces < 1439814912 535307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they seem to be broken with respect to GIDs (UIDs work correctly) < 1439814920 566851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or both me and unshare(1) are using them incorrectly < 1439814954 657447 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my UserModeLinux-VM it fails too < 1439814988 637833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unshare --version < 1439814989 644937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshare: unrecognized option '--version' \ \ Usage: \ unshare [options] [args...] \ \ Options: \ -h, --help usage information (this) \ -m, --mount unshare mounts namespace \ -u, --uts unshare UTS namespace (hostname etc) \ -i, --ipc unshare System V IPC namespace \ -n, --net unshare network nam < 1439814998 610458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe it would fail in UML < 1439815004 351923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unshare -Ur true < 1439815005 317814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshare: invalid option -- 'U' \ \ Usage: \ unshare [options] [args...] \ \ Options: \ -h, --help usage information (this) \ -m, --mount unshare mounts namespace \ -u, --uts unshare UTS namespace (hostname etc) \ -i, --ipc unshare System V IPC namespace \ -n, --net unshare network namespace \ < 1439815013 323967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that's an old version of unshare < 1439815025 956977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't support "--version", for some reason < 1439815029 951474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1439815031 985272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1439815154 967120 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439815335 302935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I get invalid option U < 1439815345 690737 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mine doesn't have --version either < 1439815353 461693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Ubuntu 14.04 < 1439815366 95126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I think that predates Linux 3.8? < 1439815374 511653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least the matching util-linux release < 1439815389 497136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably took a while for new Linux functionality to be implemented in util-linux < 1439815426 483442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I hope that distros don't disable user namespaces by default < 1439815430 171429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nobody will be able to run weboflies < 1439815482 564190 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439815482 667781 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, invalid argument on Arch with kernel 4.0.5-ARCH < 1439815494 190339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is web o' flies? < 1439815504 966464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: formerly known as the Secret Project < 1439815513 923475 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That helpeth not < 1439815551 897220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you do "cat /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/.config | grep USER_NS" < 1439815581 149681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, it's quite hard to explain what it does, but it involves intercepting system calls and replacing them with different ones < 1439815595 431227 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sandboxing ♥ < 1439815604 584479 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://stealthcatproductions.blogspot.com/2008/11/web-o-flies.html HTHeth < 1439815639 728110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofTechnique: I doubt it's been discussed much outside #esoteric < 1439815644 951304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, file does not exist < 1439815650 160447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only came here for help with it because it's a) ridiculous, b) hard to explain what you're doing < 1439815652 60208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ugh < 1439815661 657407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a server I don't control < 1439815665 502772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it /proc/config.gz doesn't exist either? < 1439815676 922901 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that does exist < 1439815681 635296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good < 1439815687 420020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep for USER_NS in that, then < 1439815702 404716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the two files should have the same content, just one is usermode and one is kernelmode) < 1439815713 604636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# CONFIG_USER_NS is not set < 1439815716 856883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1439815720 259906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the option that I'm trying to test < 1439815728 558923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it's disabled in whatever distro that server's using < 1439815733 486621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch, I believe < 1439815807 936091 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my laptop (with Ubuntu LTS) has it enabled < 1439815814 145720 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an old version of unshare < 1439815820 887341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe Arch, on the basis that multiple people have reported the same outcome with kernel versions in the 4s < 1439815932 977911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to be some rolling-release distro that's widely used < 1439816146 241551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439816223 461013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439816450 526573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1439816479 614468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439816548 145197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here with Arch < 1439816566 412288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess this is going to be really hard to test then < 1439816576 425740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I guess unshare(1) isn't widely used < 1439816587 666593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any relevant results from a web search on the error message < 1439816597 505747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switched to a kvm host for lambdabot to get namespace support < 1439816654 330874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the evaluation part runs as a seaparate user and with unshare(CLONE_NEWIPC | CLONE_NEWNET | CLONE_NEWNS) ) < 1439816829 547817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, secure boot may end up preventing people turning all these great kernel features on < 1439816852 10561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it may force distros to turn them all on on the basis that people literally can't compile the kernel themself any more < 1439816886 929989 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439816901 434991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Docker is becoming quite popular and relies on namespace support. Also systemd has plans in that direction, I believe. < 1439816929 565323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually surprised that Arch doesn't enable namespaces by default. < 1439817187 600246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439817191 75915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/36969?project=1 tells a bit of the story; apparently the namespace feature is still suffering from holes. < 1439817209 156828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not surprise me < 1439817223 975727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to run a command as non-root and gain /all/ capabilities is crazy < 1439817230 359981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if most of them don't actually do anything < 1439817244 859416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Vioz- 5* 10New user account < 1439817304 250476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I mixed this up. I need namespaces (CONFIG_*_NS), but not for arbitrary users (CONFIG_USER_NS). So never mind. < 1439817363 459589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439817394 652300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambdabot uses a suid program to do the namespace setup) < 1439817394 858624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reports from here: no '-U' in unshare at work desktop (distribution derived from Ubuntu 14.04); "unshare failed: Operation not permitted" on home desktop (Debian something); "unshare failed: Invalid argument" on VPS (Debian 8.1). < 1439817404 300643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, just a little bit late. < 1439817424 330723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439817436 507000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. < 1439817438 175679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reports from here: no '-U' in unshare at work desktop (distribution derived from Ubuntu 14.04); "unshare failed: Operation not permitted" on home desktop (Debian something); "unshare failed: Invalid argument" on VPS (Debian 8.1). < 1439817474 997445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that EPERM on unshare is interesting (the second one) < 1439817502 266748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have hit the narrow version range where it was root-only, or the somewhat less narrow range where certain distros restricted it to root only as a mitigation for potential security holes < 1439817515 952484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my Ubuntu 15.04, the unshare works, and setting uid_map works, but setting gid_map doesn't < 1439817525 248083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is so bizarrely asymmetric that it makes me suspect a bug < 1439817526 411102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 3.16.0-4-amd64. < 1439817535 733827 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Pics or it didn't happen < 1439817589 621698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43771 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+218) 10initial submission. < 1439817595 99763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got 4.1.0-1-amd64 installed too, but I haven't had a chance to reboot lately. < 1439818004 821133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439818013 660282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439818136 868166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I think I found the cause of my problem < 1439818143 442603 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439818148 129744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=87c31b39abcb6fb6bd7d111200c9627a594bf6a9 talks about "/proc/self/setgroups" which I've never heard of < 1439818165 450198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't documented < 1439818169 578442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems very relevant < 1439818176 590894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I love the security hole it's there to work around < 1439818207 965860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can have group permission lower than other permission on a file, thus dropping group membership via gid_map can give you higher perms on a file) < 1439818211 886467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very eso < 1439818590 983825 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439818607 748843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxrwxr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 16 16:04 test < 1439818609 871283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1439818635 428388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks for the bug report link, I found out what I was missing by chasing links from there < 1439818643 611012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is to write "deny" to /proc/self/setgroups < 1439818732 757129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here it is, my unshare -mUr replacement: http://sprunge.us/GRST < 1439818921 842284 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, what have you done < 1439818952 318682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you tried running it yet? < 1439818965 80590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is scary < 1439819009 890424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not weboflies itself, just a test file to play around with some of the features it needs < 1439819012 160900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't need root < 1439819058 402208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does is /gives/ you root, but a restricted sort of root that isn't actually able to do anything malicious (in theory) < 1439819108 784280 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god < 1439819166 246471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to mount filesystems using it < 1439819179 103408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but loop mounts don't work because I can't read or write any of the loop devices < 1439819187 267409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind mounts work, mounting a new tmpfs works < 1439819197 715158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mounting a physical block device doesn't work for obvious reasons < 1439819290 956794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did run across some context where group permissions were being used to "exclude" a group (as in, more bits for other than group), but it seemed highly nonstandard. < 1439819399 966775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin has an article about implementing permissions like that on Windows < 1439819423 45655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that it's possible, but the configuration you have to use is so unusual that even just viewing the permissions in Explorer changes them to something semantically different < 1439819433 217325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember that. < 1439819437 100340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you linked to it before. < 1439819479 978239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I possibly did < 1439819482 784710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where it is though < 1439819505 299116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably here?: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/ntsec.html < 1439819514 131606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1439819525 541166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the "File permissions" heading. < 1439819589 74121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how risky is this exploit? < 1439819636 983685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's not an exploit, it's an intended feature < 1439819665 757511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to become root is an intended feature? < 1439819665 811809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although based on the discussion in this channel, it's one with more security holes in than you'd expect from a typical intended Linux feature < 1439819678 562061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1439819715 161038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't do anything you couldn't do with your own account < 1439819726 679737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, shouldn't be able to < 1439819750 607045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can't interact with any user /but/ root (which is secretly your own account), e.g. su won't work < 1439819769 550165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it just makes me look like root or something? < 1439819815 710453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of like kernel fakeroot < 1439819829 361392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it does let you do various things you can't normally do as a user, that are meant to be safe when sandboxed < 1439819833 649671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. chroot < 1439819877 382917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I chroot to a directory I can't otherwise access? < 1439819891 119265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously doubt it < 1439819892 661308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Out of curiosity, if you "rootify" yourself like that, can you connect to a Unix domain socket in the non-unshared network namespace, and if you can, what would using SO_PASSCRED/SCM_CREDENTIALS report to the other end? < 1439819919 183386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I remember reading the answer to this but can't remember what it was < 1439819922 25011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find it again < 1439819934 755785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can't < 1439819960 306769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can, the only UID you can send is root (because it's the only one you can access), and the other end sees your own actual UID < 1439819976 177939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Reasonable. < 1439820069 71702 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439820168 383789 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439820247 17610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway, you are getting just a tiny taste of what WEB OF LIES does < 1439820262 305387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, imagine this sort of shenanigans going on except for everything < 1439820277 825847 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439820281 330246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1439820310 641124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, nothing is the user it seems it is, or something? < 1439820316 711608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1439820325 874341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name had to come from somewhere < 1439820336 38488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hope is that everything the user sees is actually internally consistent < 1439820338 591740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just all wrong < 1439820404 164993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not play around with nsfakeroot as much as I do < 1439820419 267658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some day I'll /actually/ have root but mistake it for just another nsfakeroot < 1439820499 280177 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439820632 873602 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's when you wake up from the dream into another dream < 1439820640 623328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Debian's fakeroot built on, LD_PRELOAD trickery on the syscall wrappers? < 1439820657 733751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. < 1439820664 321739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it's pretty fragile < 1439820750 689045 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439820807 774397 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreams ♥ < 1439820961 266344 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439821067 501961 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-245-19.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1439821118 628691 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439821136 104075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home < 1439821144 624972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1439821615 175392 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1439821723 849574 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439824888 573641 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439825711 507474 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439825786 153784 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439825825 341565 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439825960 126599 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.124.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439825983 89703 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439827053 794614 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439827248 157625 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439827596 45537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43772&oldid=43771 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+1632) 10added commands for math function. < 1439827615 90248 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439827656 89622 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439827660 260752 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43773&oldid=43772 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+0) 10/* Overview */ < 1439827832 771044 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439827846 126448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Temporarily Unstuck < 1439828136 617418 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439829032 473396 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439829049 458653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43774&oldid=43773 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+1838) 10/* Overview */ < 1439829136 331970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43775&oldid=43774 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+98) 10 < 1439829209 592804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43776&oldid=43775 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+119) 10/* Overview */ < 1439829477 694533 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439829660 773157 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62.205.124.37 QUIT :Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- < 1439829975 425834 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1439829987 880607 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1439829987 934965 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439830255 438643 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439831443 199815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43777&oldid=43760 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+910) 10 < 1439831470 577129 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439831694 923000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43778&oldid=43777 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+177) 10 < 1439831725 50410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43779&oldid=43778 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-46) 10 < 1439833116 317872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43780&oldid=43779 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-5) 10 < 1439833297 191601 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-245-19.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439835826 566180 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439835982 748575 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439836087 665537 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I'm writing this operating system kernel, it'll allow you to do something hilarious. < 1439836097 597878 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, right now I'm implementing dynamic memory allocation. < 1439836142 569834 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic memory allocators are going to be objects. You could, in principle, have a bunch of them, each with its own heap. < 1439836177 146128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, I don't see needing more than one. < 1439836192 557889 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... < 1439836227 21900 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory that's been allocated isn't actually associated with the heap any more, in any way. < 1439836258 604830 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what this means is that if you have multiple dynamic memory allocators, you can allocate memory from one and "free" the memory using another one. < 1439836272 217166 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is that this section of memory will actually be moved between the heaps. < 1439836377 129655 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a library system that doesn't care where you return books. < 1439836401 936128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libraries gain and lose books when people return them to different libraries. < 1439837460 729766 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439837845 419952 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439838531 402728 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pluulqgqrrthzcqj JOIN :#esoteric < 1439838537 467204 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439839130 91921 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439839168 358027 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439839883 668894 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439841136 411892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43781&oldid=43776 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+4096) 10 < 1439841429 24268 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1439841511 9387 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439841566 90590 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439841902 387994 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439842521 850529 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1439842592 649559 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439842644 654745 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439842721 120449 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439843227 688969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439845198 32571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DigitalCannon 5* 10New user account < 1439845381 976562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki seems to be under attack < 1439845403 532801 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439845668 425130 :atriq!~nathan@217.155.192.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439845926 495287 :atriq!~nathan@217.155.192.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439846064 952448 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439846235 963267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of attack? < 1439846243 238880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: with a cannon hth < 1439846248 731839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh. < 1439846337 612100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i think you would be the person to know the answer to this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32059754/are-there-useful-applications-for-the-divisible-type-class < 1439846419 784403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION understatement < 1439846569 641471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Control.Lens doesn't seem to use it, what is this? < 1439846610 183891 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439846898 137997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Niblet14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43782 5* 03DigitalCannon 5* (+3297) 10Created page with "'''niblet''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] where nibbles are used to store data. Cat: ,<.<[[ Hello World: ++++<<< -- the same as for "newtype Group", so it's there twice. < 1439848263 526208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ditto for "class Grouping1".) < 1439848273 44763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1439848291 636717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a github issue about duplicated anchors, maybe this is known then. < 1439848363 646535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it was supposed to be fixed before that package was uploaded < 1439848418 169068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean https://github.com/haskell/hackage-server/issues/319 that seems to talk only about the line number anchors. < 1439848428 932677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439848441 322890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have a github account. < 1439848455 751463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hscolour 1.21 fix it mentions just says "ensure that line-number anchors do not reset in literate code fragments". < 1439848471 176574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a 1.23 change "bugfix for anchor-generation for instance decls". < 1439848486 812388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1439848530 528372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly an instance declaration, though, so maybe that's not related. < 1439848576 25056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43784&oldid=43780 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+103) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1439848605 240045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're feeling really enthusiastic, maybe you could run the source through the newest hscolour and see if it's fixed or not. < 1439848619 884597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't < 1439848638 582365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's reasonable. I wouldn't, either. < 1439848691 851109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hscolour uses darcs, no wonder i couldn't find it < 1439848923 840017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that hscolour version is also older than the discrimination version < 1439848938 544754 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1439849141 738247 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439849188 285897 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439849317 63015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43785&oldid=43638 5* 03Stalem 5* (+2951) 10Conjecture and interpreter source < 1439849807 487572 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439851189 20914 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439851216 970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bocanonicallyhily < 1439851431 183734 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helløstandarjan! < 1439852254 568591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adiœurjan! < 1439852265 624860 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STRUT CHICKEN < 1439855296 237374 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439856106 127264 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode c̣ < 1439856107 55293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0063 LATIN SMALL LETTER C] [U+0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW] < 1439856207 473643 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439856410 818771 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439856566 610674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43786&oldid=43781 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+490) 10 < 1439856893 651402 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439859207 453170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what typesetting system can use codes like this? @b"PRINTT bytes:tbl,width:int,@u(height:int),@u(skip:int) EXT:254 X" < 1439859359 334526 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439860091 586726 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439860206 412511 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1439860210 560169 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's on? < 1439860222 558177 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439860267 451885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't nobody here < 1439860291 154716 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are various[citation needed] networking models < 1439860294 309141 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Client/Server < 1439860298 176202 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peer-to-peer < 1439860302 997734 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have an esoteric one? < 1439860446 847101 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439860483 650731 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server-to-client-to-peers < 1439860484 385565 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a hybrid I suppose < 1439860485 928348 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not very esoteric < 1439860960 180292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43787&oldid=43784 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+952) 10v1.2 released! < 1439861017 280519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on by now < 1439861040 887735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of other models though < 1439861437 519672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43788&oldid=43787 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+1) 10/* Computational class */ < 1439861587 374179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43789&oldid=43788 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-23) 10/* Commands */ < 1439861705 94786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43790&oldid=43789 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+11) 10/* Commands */ < 1439862445 996886 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, new Evillious songs < 1439862467 232041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually hmm not sure if any are new http://theevilliouschronicles.wikia.com/wiki/Original_Sin_Story:_Complete_Edition < 1439863353 263758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: GAH < 1439863924 279602 :trnv2!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439863948 337291 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which special characters can be in a linux password? < 1439863984 988216 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439864042 166066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are any limits; maybe everything is allowed, or maybe null characters are not allowed, I don't know < 1439864092 562194 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric netwroking: ephemeral server. Instead of having a server on all the time, the client program logs onto AWS and creates a virtual server. < 1439864126 542054 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or replace AWS by azure or whatever) < 1439864150 264015 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is, the server is created by the client whenever it needs one < 1439864262 711307 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two clients need to communicate, they instead tell the servers to communicate < 1439864346 372123 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. you can extrapolate all kinds of wtfy things from this architecture < 1439864740 837388 :trnv2!jhj@trnsz.com NICK :trn < 1439865382 738167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439865402 621431 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439866112 350486 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439866226 673592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played a "rotris.gba" game and I made 79 lines. It is a variant of a tetris game where the more lines you made, the more the picture is spinning. < 1439866456 779326 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god what?! < 1439866606 943741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the ROM image is only 4288 bytes long in total (I believe it was made as part of a contest to make small GBA programs) and even includes music) < 1439867002 729134 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439867039 756838 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1439867056 835877 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone on/ < 1439867063 577296 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\//?/ < 1439867155 119147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am on by now < 1439867194 489853 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would an INTERNATIONAL ESOLANG DESIGN COMPETITION be a cool idea? < 1439867244 67220 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lighthearted and fun, of course < 1439867255 78965 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To foster novel and creative ideas < 1439867282 66482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Something like that might have been done before, I don't really know for sure < 1439867306 767297 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll host one < 1439867347 228932 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start documenting the rules and such < 1439867600 759411 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439867605 963392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43791&oldid=43790 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-33) 10 < 1439867628 265818 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1439867628 320107 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1439867783 398531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43792&oldid=43791 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (-203) 10/* Computational class */ < 1439869395 90047 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439869466 996744 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Frooxius < 1439869473 602906 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1439869473 808197 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: moreover with a large body of them. i suppose writing programs is not the < 1439869482 272895 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1439869482 683872 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think cast can have just two exits for a while to come up with the way chicken builds? < 1439869546 10575 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfungotx < 1439869546 192715 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: did i just join ml, ocaml, etc? < 1439870468 452617 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1439870491 968004 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want to participate in/judge an Esolang Design Competiton? < 1439870876 716515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1439871507 34732 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439871967 649603 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that over 60kb in lostkng.b are perfectly pointless? < 1439872074 828883 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a simple cleaner that removes stuff like >< +- and loops that are never executed, the size was 2189420 bytes and the output is 2128155 bytes < 1439872233 170205 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439872242 551352 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439872431 888505 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...... it looks like my cleaner only removed 2kb and the rest were just \r\n... < 1439872445 27985 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, 2kb of useless code! < 1439872545 718394 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C should interpret \A as \001, \B as \002 etc < 1439872604 693637 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1439872685 8306 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then \A would equal the keystroke ctrl-A, etc. < 1439872698 60507 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but why < 1439872770 350443 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenience and correspondence to ASCII. \n for linefeed, \a for bell etc are too arbitrary. < 1439872816 89938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439872861 392873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n Newline \r carriage Return \b Backspace \e Escape \f Form feed \v Vertical thingy < 1439872885 931853 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the others < 1439872928 957265 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah of course \t Tab < 1439872942 906461 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\a is for Alert methinks < 1439872983 292595 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1439873000 757545 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they kinda make sense < 1439873094 416071 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\G bel \H backspace \I tab \J linefeed \K vert.tab \L formfeed \M carriage return < 1439873135 184915 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can enter these chars at any terminal using the buttons or the corresponding ctrl-letter there is no difference. < 1439873150 170272 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who ever used ^L for anything < 1439873171 816061 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who ever liked that damn bell < 1439873271 422125 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bell is good for notifications but some asshole programs bell when you enter a wrong character... so most poeple disable audible bell < 1439873297 646865 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone who needs to keep some level of sanity < 1439873328 187390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim also has the idiotc _visible_ bell < 1439873336 930463 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which the screen flashes < 1439873348 358125 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439873350 686048 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is the main culprit, it beeps every time you try to autocomplete a wrong name < 1439873403 928987 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :to disable it for all the readline programs, put this in your .inputrc: set bell-style none < 1439873433 546629 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's readline's problem? those assholes < 1439873442 252329 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439873457 4684 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :readline is developed by the same author of bash < 1439873462 122879 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's shipped as part of bash < 1439873470 408784 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it's bash's fault < 1439873531 510875 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :form feed should clear the screen but it doesn't? < 1439873535 971313 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1439873582 119330 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^L by default is bound to clear-screen in emacs mode < 1439873589 5544 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the default mode) < 1439873650 291636 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should clear it unless you messed with something < 1439873795 543644 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean on output. < 1439873828 239640 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1439873865 619836 :hppavilion[1]!18ed9e05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.237.158.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439873947 748292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enabled audible bell, it was disabled by default at first < 1439873957 757064 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyy < 1439873988 8874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean why I enabled it, why it was disabled at first, or both? < 1439874004 590833 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former < 1439874069 787376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that the bell can be use! But I had to create a sound file to do so I just used SoX to create a square-wave sound and used that as the X bell sound. < 1439874097 374389 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbelievable x.x < 1439875860 28550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=8569129&postcount=19 hth < 1439875930 555086 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439876350 729857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43793&oldid=43783 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+10) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1439876379 632640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439876472 515874 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439876494 71053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snowman14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43794 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+249) 10Created page with "'''Snowman''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by Stack Exchange user Doorknob. ==External Resources== * https://github.com/KeyboardFire/snowman-lang Interp..." < 1439876552 642182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snowman14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43795&oldid=43794 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (-2) 10/* External Resources */ < 1439876598 621660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43796&oldid=43793 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+14) 10/* S */ < 1439877214 362929 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439877249 650575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43797&oldid=43735 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+243) 10 < 1439877353 340303 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439880050 819144 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439880611 176550 :a21!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439882770 657344 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439883075 11711 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wnhioojnsqzjmhbk QUIT :Quit: zz < 1439883233 190442 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439883474 982174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snowman14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43798&oldid=43795 5* 0386.6.211.224 5* (+85) 10/* External Resources */ added link to Doorknob's tutorial. < 1439883582 410971 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nvpuhhqgczewxvbr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439883838 323145 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea behind snowman < 1439883871 653953 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439886000 204542 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439886420 117900 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439886875 595264 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439886943 445539 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439888196 677877 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nvpuhhqgczewxvbr QUIT :Quit: zz < 1439888598 476201 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dvnvjtegczisisun JOIN :#esoteric < 1439889800 73345 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dvnvjtegczisisun QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439890100 865197 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zilcafjgjmretdsf JOIN :#esoteric < 1439891316 695086 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/SirCmpwn/bf-irc-bot < 1439891646 155398 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439892356 981058 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zilcafjgjmretdsf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439892813 315574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Orlando 5* 10New user account < 1439893286 474324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43799 5* 03Orlando 5* (+131) 10Created page with "Hi! I haven't created any esoteric programming language yet, but I am working on a new one. It will be a stack-oriented language." < 1439893357 834880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43800&oldid=43799 5* 03Orlando 5* (+4) 10 < 1439893377 547133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43801&oldid=43800 5* 03Orlando 5* (+4) 10 < 1439893604 926564 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439893669 916211 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439894569 7493 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnellord. < 1439894569 213781 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the former species is more robust: if you start inserting from the ends of lists so many times < 1439894570 901773 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439894602 781343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: fnellord to you too. < 1439895321 444343 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wfvusaebwclwhurw JOIN :#esoteric < 1439895509 885806 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439896872 540690 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SOLIPSISTIC CHICKEN < 1439897957 454796 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdmdzghmujcwyeva QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439898064 256081 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yxhqaaigtvdqqzeh QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439899592 658473 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439899692 311803 :azertie!~azertie@host109-152-65-110.range109-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439899711 19624 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439899712 118917 :azertie!~azertie@host109-152-65-110.range109-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1439900848 131744 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxnrgntekdtvlfrd JOIN :#esoteric < 1439900873 676380 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1439900895 675726 :azertie!~azertie@host109-152-65-110.range109-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how r u < 1439901009 661162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439901271 96325 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439901385 984854 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439901425 439199 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1439901611 772993 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xkxxsubvzexnygah JOIN :#esoteric < 1439901613 981708 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439902067 329077 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xkxxsubvzexnygah QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439902113 242178 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxnrgntekdtvlfrd QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439902149 743460 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439902424 921483 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439902666 183298 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439902803 950276 :azertie!~azertie@host109-152-65-110.range109-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: In Shame. < 1439902886 154854 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439902985 478048 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439903346 268820 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439903602 541297 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439904215 589502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439904423 809427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1439904873 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:AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439910733 540903 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439910815 996560 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439910881 90780 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439911350 751367 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :ayylmao < 1439911435 871518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43806&oldid=43786 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+833) 10 < 1439911468 663709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43807&oldid=43806 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+0) 10/* Overview */ < 1439911485 283295 :ayylmao!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :kline < 1439911663 344224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43808&oldid=43807 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+233) 10 < 1439911866 39798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43809&oldid=43808 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+61) 10/* Examples */ < 1439912165 702648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43810&oldid=43809 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+35) 10/* Examples */ < 1439912199 105013 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwswreilhdcyxtst QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439912199 337139 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hlmhhyfvrdldztco QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439912383 653014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43811&oldid=43810 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+29) 10/* Examples */ < 1439912569 917751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43812&oldid=43811 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+179) 10/* Overview */ < 1439912759 985208 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqxmwbydlxejyiqg JOIN :#esoteric < 1439913358 915371 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439913686 613682 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghaappnsdjvwjprp JOIN :#esoteric < 1439914240 362182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439914249 132327 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439914495 860428 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439914549 824543 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1439915005 955880 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439915187 498525 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439916238 359355 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :google now in the wifi business < 1439916242 843467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1439916270 545381 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439916438 484954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1439916475 381831 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439916652 827288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: https://on.google.com/hub/ < 1439916734 532266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top of that router looks like a showerhead < 1439916752 68094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the whole thing looked suspiciously like Amazon Echo. < 1439916765 444539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it true they have something called "electric shower" in the uk < 1439916770 745099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1439916770 799595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 57m 5s ago: oerjan: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=8569129&postcount=19 hth <-- thx tmhh < 1439916777 248929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes < 1439916786 836221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have an electric shower. < 1439916787 708766 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pluulqgqrrthzcqj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1439916807 97001 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it is different to an electricity shower < 1439916814 644742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: understood < 1439916825 809413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do and how can i get one < 1439916836 363672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It heats up your water on-line. < 1439916864 586878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just plug it in a cold water supply, and it heats it up while the water's passing through. < 1439916906 999348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard y'all maybe also have showers where you set the temperature, instead of the hot and cold pressures? < 1439916971 538363 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are showers with hot and cold pressures? < 1439916981 889818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bizarre thought. < 1439917001 440359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK has a number of taps with separate cold/hot controls (sometimes even separate taps), which is something you never see in Finland. < 1439917001 583143 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439917003 753969 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one of the things like "Using a microwave to boil water for tea" < 1439917013 838973 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sakabe.nuie.nagoya-u.ac.jp/Malbolge/ this is too many papers about malbolge < 1439917021 624910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen it much in showers though. < 1439917038 955847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that dates back to when there was a boiler in the attic which could get contaminated < 1439917050 581374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cold water was potable, hot water was not necessarily < 1439917075 387426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my cheap electric shower, you set one three-state toggle between "cold / hot / even hotter" (determines the heating power), and then adjust a "temperature slider" which actually adjusts the flow rate. The "hot end" passes less water through, and the cold end more. < 1439917143 639164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to the low-granularity heating power switch, if the tap water cools down enough so that the lower heating setting isn't enough, you'll start to waste both electricity *and* water, because you have to turn the heating up to max, and then compensate by also increasing the water flow. < 1439917314 375359 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fun < 1439917400 582218 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439917475 90214 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439917662 151723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I change the autocompletion of some programs with bash? By default it uses any filename, but with some programs it can know to do it differently; how is this and how to put in your own customizations? < 1439917736 758547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Look at the Programmable Completion part of the bash manpage < 1439917764 3193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1439917831 711764 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp. Theoretically, my OS kernel has dynamic memory allocation now. < 1439917881 222196 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of algorithm should I implement in order to test it out? < 1439918136 294316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could... reverse a linked list! < 1439918147 763149 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounds best. < 1439918204 409929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Flip a tree upside down < 1439918223 242416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote a bash completion thing the other day. < 1439918226 131849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43813&oldid=40310 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+646) 10expand stub < 1439918266 173060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43814&oldid=43588 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+27) 10 < 1439918279 379176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think generally you just write a shell function that looks at and sets some magic "COMP*" variables, and then call "complete -F _function_name command" to make tabbing after 'command' to call that function to generate the completions. < 1439918296 206739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you did? < 1439918302 633408 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Branch a (AntiTree a) (AntiTree a) | Leaf = AntiTree a < 1439918308 471701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case I want to get the results from a SQL query < 1439918454 289949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wrote lets you write "command X Y", and X is tab-completed based on a longish list of words from a file, while Y is completed from a hardcoded list of 7 words. < 1439918463 795579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess that's the opposite of what I was describing. < 1439918527 835642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like http://sprunge.us/ROQc < 1439918603 117968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's a normal tree < 1439918615 766271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what you did < 1439918672 737036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just data AntiTree a = Root a | Node a (AntiTree a) < 1439918724 93154 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439918736 843692 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an antitree < 1439918762 51601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know such answer too please < 1439918776 784239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently upside-down tree? < 1439918810 709713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading about GC with antiroots. < 1439918822 487933 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439919546 118173 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that looks a lot like a non-empty list < 1439921760 375488 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439921872 864956 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439921892 361317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Consider that each AntiTree will be shared by two Nodes < 1439921915 319264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly any amount < 1439921986 469474 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439922000 97261 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439922059 416657 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439922126 649714 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric < 1439922311 148820 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I could come up with the linear logic dual of a Tree. < 1439922316 192118 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular version: < 1439922353 670167 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree(a) = (a * Tree(a) * Tree(a)) + 1 < 1439922371 208247 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual version: < 1439922444 690710 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eert(a) = (a ⅋ Eert(a) ⅋ Eert(a)) & ⊥ < 1439922466 674759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a little weird, I know. < 1439922509 248169 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about ⅋ is that it's hard to interpret. < 1439922575 777810 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rust < 1439922576 559172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439922582 119207 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Rust is the Haskell version of C. < 1439922584 123557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'rust': Rust is the Haskell version of C. < 1439922921 981650 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wfvusaebwclwhurw QUIT :Quit: zz < 1439922961 92021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/C/C++/' wisdom/rust < 1439922962 978307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439922971 774967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably more like the ML version of C++, anyway. < 1439922977 89508 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439922981 970952 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xzxsfoqrthdqkdcp JOIN :#esoteric < 1439923255 701767 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xzxsfoqrthdqkdcp QUIT :Quit: zz < 1439923281 394618 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qwpbqrfipulbcygv JOIN :#esoteric < 1439923451 305510 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooo < 1439923860 885893 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can compromise. < 1439923888 653450 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn rust/C++ is the Java version of C. Rust is the Haskell version of C. < 1439923890 819515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «rust» < 1439923895 762799 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rust < 1439923896 544764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is the Java version of C. Rust is the Haskell version of C. < 1439923905 185918 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Rust is the Scala version of C? < 1439923929 678079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1439923930 567844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? < 1439923937 873670 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way... < 1439923940 299920 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1439923941 93088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1439923981 831593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No, those are all wrong. < 1439924060 498814 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have a great idea. < 1439924149 385943 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Rust is what Haskell would be if it were C++. < 1439924151 237712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'rust': Rust is what Haskell would be if it were C++. < 1439924258 63029 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1439924266 589474 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1f053a90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1439924367 867458 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell. < 1439924369 984214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'rust': Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell. < 1439924374 826077 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1439924380 905426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these are true. < 1439924419 978037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? truth < 1439924420 855230 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439924467 17239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: when's the next olist twhib < 1439924511 835675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oots < 1439924512 489638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1439924516 186704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist < 1439924516 293890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you might be the wrong person to ask < 1439924517 145743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html < 1439924541 377079 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439924694 429263 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1439925538 623774 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439925544 28572 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1439925555 607431 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need help < 1439925605 385044 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1439925635 282871 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he doesn't appear to be on... < 1439925644 345700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on < 1439925648 551188 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1439925649 223552 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1439925649 686156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you require? < 1439925672 676726 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out the best way to interface with a tree for an OO Data Structure-Based shell I'm designing < 1439925683 201273 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the ways I could do this? < 1439925694 135861 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do a pointer head of course < 1439925703 283247 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems closer to esoteric < 1439925716 763346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not completely understand what you are making < 1439925726 275992 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CLI < 1439925732 915236 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on data structures < 1439925737 357741 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can send you a link to the doc < 1439925758 435414 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/18PNux6Q2niEapkoeMVcrB6gJRVkPOaD6O2nKJos_LE0/edit?usp=sharing < 1439925769 33038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the one that isn't Google Docs? < 1439925774 598524 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1439925776 283279 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :/ < 1439925783 709142 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have something about tracking? < 1439925802 568431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About tracking what? < 1439925809 986526 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By google < 1439925817 866073 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why you didn't want the Docs link < 1439925821 632171 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just give you a brief overview if you like < 1439925823 958713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like Google Docs; it is terrible. < 1439925840 347084 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty good if you can't stay on one computer all the time < 1439925854 665230 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's pretty < 1439925864 502660 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want the overview? < 1439925868 355359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK < 1439925871 395119 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1439925872 603467 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1439925874 457271 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CLI < 1439925878 443714 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based around data structures < 1439925880 819323 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example < 1439925896 232540 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A command's syntax is similar to a normal command < 1439925898 7044 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1439925908 303203 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts with an object reference (object.command) < 1439925928 851602 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The objects you can reference are data structures (linked lists, bloom filters, binary trees, etc) < 1439925944 580098 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide how the semantics for the trees should work < 1439925961 696392 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I was going to do it is with a pointer head that's over a node and can be moved with a MOVE command < 1439925966 819688 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sems a bit esoteric < 1439925972 869614 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still will probably use it < 1439925977 289791 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there a better way? < 1439926004 5381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the object to have the property of the children node and parent node, may be also some way? < 1439926030 461708 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you provide an example of the syntax for that? < 1439926066 777431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depend on the exact format of the tree, I think < 1439926074 942527 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume it's binary < 1439926088 841767 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I set the value of the left child of the right child of the root node to n < 1439926098 133247 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a tree named "t" < 1439926145 743875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something such as t.right.left=n is I would suppose? You could though have MOVE command to select them too, like you use CHDIR and stuff in DOS and Windows < 1439926157 133133 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an idea < 1439926158 236319 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1439926174 519689 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be t.right.left.set n < 1439926183 724910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is also the way < 1439926225 199111 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep that under consideration < 1439926260 718212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For working file if you aren't always on one computer all the time, for me using vi over ssh works fine (or use emacs if you prefer emacs), or a wiki can be used too, but SSH is better < 1439926273 93351 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439926284 80212 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on windows :( < 1439926292 487961 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to back up my computer < 1439926303 164323 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu or something < 1439926321 17987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a server with UNIX, it can still be connected using Windows, by using a program such as PuTTY < 1439926371 230879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it will be more difficult to use the GUI programs unless you have a X server for Windows too. Stuff such as vi and so on won't need the GUI though) < 1439926391 693099 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to use formatting :P < 1439926404 869208 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markdown is optimal, but WYSIWYG is acceptable < 1439926441 577679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can edit Markdown too with vi or emacs or whatever, but you will need the program that can then render it or convert it. < 1439926447 223793 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1439926459 721228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WYSIWYG is I don't like it much < 1439926465 334000 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1439926478 13588 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's OK for writing docs that the masses can understand < 1439926484 578594 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks nice while editing < 1439926491 131640 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it lets me see what I'm doing < 1439926596 213749 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other ways could the user interact with a tree? < 1439926625 827139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, execute command for each node, I suppose < 1439926640 464069 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because t.left.right.right.left.right.left.left.... gets exhausting pretty quickly < 1439926647 752649 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/..../.../ < 1439926659 461320 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1439926666 994089 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A different command for every node? < 1439926676 432949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like t."lrrlrll" maybe can be shortcut too < 1439926681 162179 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd get hard to remember < 1439926683 136065 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1439926684 655429 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea < 1439926708 933040 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have two types of DS < 1439926718 57316 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headed Trees and Normal Trees < 1439926726 973961 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal Trees will use your method < 1439926743 370747 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas Headed Trees will use a Read/write head < 1439926804 370829 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1439926829 852937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but couldn't you have something like "CHDIR" instead, if you are at t.left.right and then you can type .right.left.right.left.left.set n and it uses relative by the dot at first. < 1439926887 79698 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1439926900 974479 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might add that < 1439926917 88960 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the major useful types of tree? < 1439926922 404409 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Binary Tree < 1439926931 124638 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A First-Child/Next-Sibling General Tree < 1439926964 686977 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-Tree? < 1439926972 87342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, if you need rose-tree < 1439927008 218489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rain is not, as I had assumed, an optical illusion < 1439927045 752105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Vioz- 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:N6FractalTree.png10]]": n=6 fractal tree < 1439927077 723535 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add them as I think of them < 1439927093 118152 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language am I going to make this in? < 1439927102 913728 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know python best < 1439927116 111465 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C/C++ would be good < 1439927128 389666 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's kind of a dynamically-typed language < 1439927130 487297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; you can decide what you want to use < 1439927144 8655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably prefer C, but you use what you like < 1439927148 934510 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't find any resources on making a DT language in a ST language < 1439927209 549866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be too difficult; I have done it before too < 1439927232 158831 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1439927240 445388 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this language uses a LOT of data structures < 1439927245 845308 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So THAT could be an issue < 1439927254 59099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Vioz- 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:N12DragonCurve.png10]]": n=12 dragon curve < 1439927259 786022 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a map where the values are other DSes in C or C++ < 1439927266 797879 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably just use Python < 1439927283 49457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at the codes of some other programs (such as METAFONT and SQLite) for some other examples of a few things. < 1439927287 319913 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if anyone out there finds it interesting they can reimplement it in the language of their choice < 1439927287 425918 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439927296 421833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1439927328 462600 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439927334 762390 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll probably just use trees with a RW head for now, as that seems like the simplest option and best for people < 1439927354 2576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1439927531 728667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LindenMASM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43817 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+2564) 10initial submission. < 1439927703 607950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LindenMASM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43818&oldid=43817 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+4) 10/* External Resources */ < 1439927787 360932 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439927808 2058 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1439927880 522512 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439927883 318023 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439928027 445133 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439928086 93369 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439928476 515742 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439928767 361811 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qwpbqrfipulbcygv NICK :fowl < 1439928814 434317 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1439928952 354847 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439929111 579007 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:71c7:ca06:8acd:ad32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439929474 964660 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439929608 997817 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best windows shell? < 1439929809 297274 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439929926 787974 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439929950 864262 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439930279 536322 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1439930400 427959 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439930451 590793 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439930551 694867 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qwpbqrfipulbcygv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powershell < 1439931270 687392 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439931386 482874 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439931568 617548 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439931858 994497 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1439932168 987912 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439932611 566009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439932617 199439 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1439932638 71913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh missing logs < 1439932783 992779 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439932951 494936 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439933070 930646 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1439933299 640786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: one of my friends defines a macro to add a "do not" block to his C++ < 1439933314 334970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghjan < 1439933345 19311 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1439933355 437055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there at least two sources for logs? < 1439933453 149161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and one of them was missing parts hth < 1439933489 871289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what do you make of this southern calendar thing < 1439933493 942196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it's disappointing < 1439933534 348019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, all < 1439933563 583572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodneb < 1439933650 17587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have been cooler if the calendar had new year at solstice. otoh do we have proof that it doesn't. < 1439933655 103115 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d1F053A90.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1439933924 181698 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1439934042 966177 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439934150 615275 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: welp, see you later. < 1439934319 886139 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439934567 12069 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439934636 167065 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1439934642 245892 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god probably the thing i google the most is "ascii table" < 1439934707 851997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why limit yourself to ASCII? < 1439934745 891992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a keyboard shortcut that opens a terminal window with less unic.txt, where unic.txt is http://slbkbs.org/unic.txt < 1439934890 663776 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qwpbqrfipulbcygv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opening that < 1439934901 836264 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qwpbqrfipulbcygv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Froze my phone < 1439934933 884170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame samsung < 1439934993 349988 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: usually I only need an overview over all of ASCII, as this mostly tends to be for code golf stuff < 1439935025 635513 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439935027 464092 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1439935027 808941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 182100Z 15008KT 15SM FEW030TCU FEW150 BKN210 29/22 A2991 RMK TCU1AC1CI6 TCU TR SLP128 DENSITY ALT 1800FT < 1439935131 651526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: man ascii hth < 1439935153 703002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you use Windows. < 1439935166 617754 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1439935179 42536 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use both! < 1439935204 925917 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how nice man ascii looks, that might be a good solution, though < 1439935257 630886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Windows and man? < 1439935265 894300 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asciitable.com/index/asciifull.gif this table (the first google result) is pretty nice, but i don't use the octal/html columns < 1439935285 606874 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both windows and unixy stuff < 1439935304 138183 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heck, i spend a lot of time in cygwin shells, so sure, maybe i can get `man ascii` to work on there) < 1439935345 908828 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what the purpose of the html column is. it's just &#decimal; except sometimes it doesn't exist < 1439935389 409328 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what other fascinating tables lookuptables.com has to offer?? < 1439935414 573057 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ads" < 1439935489 910044 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebcdic?! i--ibm scan codes < 1439935591 324300 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ascii \x00 through x\1f. who still uses things like 'FIELD SEPARATOR' < 1439935600 308029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use it < 1439935617 504671 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean err FILE < 1439935655 741460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I sometimes use it < 1439935718 950258 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in programs you wrote yourself? < 1439935723 719131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1439935753 109703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I use the RECORD SEPARATOR and UNIT SEPARATOR more often, although other control codes also are sometime use, not very often though. < 1439935788 26004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses 0x01 START OF HEADING? < 1439935842 459649 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, when I'm using codepage 437. < 1439935845 834654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have use that one too. "ASCII Records Format" which is a data format I invented uses START OF HEADING and some of the other controls for delimiting data < 1439935866 825278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: this one scow protocol used for exchanging financial information < 1439935905 628510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: tswellott. you seem undecided about rust. would you like to become the Maintainer of the Wisdom Entry in the PDF? < 1439936205 386258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What happened to lambdabot's @read command? < 1439936213 960035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we have it back? It was great. < 1439936392 985224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show 13 < 1439936393 39722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :"13" < 1439936404 219977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it the opposite of that < 1439936422 66813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help show < 1439936422 121057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :show . Print "" < 1439936434 375778 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439936448 8233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "foo" < 1439936449 376272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo < 1439936471 92337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @read is somewhat redundant < 1439936528 305923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @run var @show @run var "hi" < 1439936531 344614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : " hi\n" < 1439936534 967032 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1439936546 924745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a _little_ off. < 1439936581 983862 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439936595 668198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show hm < 1439936595 770705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hm" < 1439936622 737917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @run var @show @run var " hi" < 1439936625 515548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : " hi\n" < 1439936749 792120 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439937002 764831 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1439937259 647168 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439937271 440554 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1439937507 380774 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]! < 1439937644 773576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellø < 1439937647 228292 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily < 1439937658 748456 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering hosting an International Esolang Design Competition < 1439937666 138110 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just lighthearted and fun, of course < 1439937673 775618 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that'd be a good idea boily? < 1439937686 532088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall the last one rather fizzled out... < 1439937701 10910 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would it be? will there be Chinese and/or Vietnamese food nearby? < 1439937707 841897 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. there was one? < 1439937715 508095 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It'd be submitted online < 1439937716 772054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a collaborative one... < 1439937739 112851 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: So if you want to be somewhere near Chinese and/or Vietnamese food when you are designing < 1439937742 876063 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be my guest < 1439937750 715123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Adjudicated_Blind_Collaborative_Design_Esolang_Factory < 1439937767 635278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that, there were the Essies, some of which actually had results < 1439937784 813498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back in the mailing list days) < 1439937807 353085 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1439937844 850170 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailing list? today is a learning day. < 1439937909 82104 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to start a new mailing list < 1439937913 964736 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one signed up :P < 1439937934 571783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were 5 Essies, only the first two of which have any interesting results, and only the first of which has a known winner < 1439937974 347878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got them listed at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_Awards < 1439937976 147604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the mailing list died because people stopped using it. there's just no market. < 1439937987 314035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was looking at. < 1439937989 259100 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I knwo < 1439937994 123274 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1439937998 810055 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I just do < 1439938000 330039 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1439938003 659936 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1439938007 389260 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats' better < 1439938011 240622 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if there were more people using gopher than mailing lists. < 1439938013 857012 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's < 1439938016 493231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2003: It is not known if the Essies were held in 2003." I think you could say that for more years. < 1439938017 727164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might technically still be subscribed to the list, in receive-no-mail mode... < 1439938040 299697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. 4 known Essies then. < 1439938042 294877 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just trying to see if anyone wanted to restart it for the retro value :P < 1439938109 679662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SumaMoito14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43819&oldid=36437 5* 03Atrapado 5* (+311) 10reference the incomplete implementation project in github. < 1439938147 780459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kayak and LazyK are the languages that stuck in my mind. i would say sorted! but it seems to have unstuck again. < 1439938186 69094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07International Esolang Design Competition14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43820 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+263) 10Did the same thing over and over again and expected different results. < 1439938297 856947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well Agora still works by mailing list, and the haskell community has several that are reasonably alive... < 1439938367 494416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although many people, like me, might be following the latter via some site other than their personal mailbox < 1439938445 730058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original mailing list for Agora just died in the last year, it was still officially a backup < 1439938474 166747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. yoyo < 1439938488 517242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SumaMoito14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43821&oldid=43819 5* 03Atrapado 5* (+1) 10/* Implementation */ fix typo. < 1439939030 954447 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. I follow GHC and other announcements on /r/haskell. < 1439939048 120366 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to enjoy agoring is through irc, imho, hth. < 1439939116 347837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think the FORMCARD protocol I have designed once even uses the SYNCHRONOUS IDLE control code (although for some kinds of underlying transfer protocols it will not be needed). < 1439939124 101163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also follow /r/haskell, of course, but that's not what i meant: i follow some of the mailing lists just by browsing the haskell.org/pipermail archives < 1439939143 190517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know spj's messages look horrible when converted to plain text < 1439939172 19067 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is definitely a learning day. < 1439939183 966575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it is designed to use ASCII, it is possible to implement it using other character sets too, such as EBCDIC or ISO646 or Unicode) < 1439939209 13884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the irc channel is, afaict, not an Agora Public Forum, or even publically archived. but then neither of us is a Player at present. < 1439939267 677029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also technically it's not even limited to Agora, but other nomics aren't that often discussed. < 1439939378 708179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is /r/haskell terrible these days < 1439939383 750975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped following it a while ago < 1439939394 184462 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eeing < 1439939435 721495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the protocol for defining and transfering forms, independently of the way it is displayed and filled in (for example it can be a HTML form, it could be a block terminal, it could be filled in on paper and scanned into the computer, or it could be filled in on paper and then the operator manually enters the data into the computer) < 1439939446 929904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ##nomic actually _is_ an official Agora discussion forum. < 1439939518 50897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the people blaming Stack/FPComplete for dividing the community are a bit tiring. < 1439939550 430411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be some hope for more productive interchange lately, though < 1439939556 443203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for someone who's entirely interested in the theoretical aspects of haskell? < 1439939599 956131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i wouldn't know, too much theory at once liquifies my brain < 1439939617 58982 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: helloren. back to the unslashed version of yourself? < 1439939668 46431 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1439939765 755249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i tend to skip a lot of posts rehashing old discussions < 1439939782 942863 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1439939827 951869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: EEK < 1439939919 766870 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ÄÄÄÄÄH! < 1439940764 931453 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1439941304 952656 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: r/haskell/ ? Is that anything like s/haskell/whatever/ ? < 1439941307 9494 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P :P :P < 1439941340 714319 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expressively mapoles hppavilion[1] < 1439941367 82436 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deserved that < 1439941389 911636 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing beats a mapole for karmic realignment. < 1439941493 830742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439941528 926500 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1439941534 365542 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now writing a trollfic < 1439941536 510653 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened < 1439941605 22838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r/haskell/ would seem to attempt to read a directory named /haskell/ , i'm not sure that's a legal use of the command. < 1439941634 833067 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1439941643 370439 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realigns hppavilion[1] < 1439941644 698871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr /haskell/ < 1439941644 753091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keel haul ya fer that! < 1439941653 519595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` touch test; sed -i 'r/haskell/' test < 1439941655 165451 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still writing a Trollfic < 1439941655 268079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439941659 524182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat test < 1439941660 552459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439941665 708911 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it's erotic, no less < 1439941685 945385 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to take something as stupid as possible and write something almost half decent < 1439941707 736837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of that oglaf thing < 1439941715 578658 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decent in the "good" sense of the word, not the "appropriate" sense of the word < 1439941718 212416 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, oglaf < 1439941785 182537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1439941821 605955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` touch test; sed -i 'rwisdom/' test < 1439941822 405706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439941826 784679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat test < 1439941827 918470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1439941833 606010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1439941927 242718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $'a\nb' | sed 'rwisdom/hth' < 1439941927 962343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. \ b \ hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1439941992 510019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1439942018 208917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a | sed rwisdom/ < 1439942018 866715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: read error on wisdom/: Is a directory \ a < 1439942023 897821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1439942842 737293 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439942855 696131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixeded it. < 1439942865 101647 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439942867 394933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: welcome back! (and don't insult my mom.) < 1439942867 450862 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you have < 1439942873 649985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes I have. < 1439942873 704299 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what do you mean? did you really need to get to your point? can you watch flv? < 1439942885 911245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I have it, tsé. yes, and yes. < 1439942885 965428 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes!! < 1439942917 156859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary. < 1439942933 835718 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1439942934 529634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1439942939 49207 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1439942941 233303 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!botsnack < 1439942943 232345 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^_^ < 1439942946 337655 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurgh. < 1439942949 447194 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1439942953 991452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1439942954 45734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1439942963 55025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you seem left out < 1439942963 363473 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but if you evaluate something like ' fnord'." case matters." and " typos"? must be. < 1439942979 350341 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typo in the botsnack command. understandable. < 1439942983 233095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Thanks for reverting back to insensibility. < 1439942983 541637 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 5 minutes have passed control on to a guy who loves you for shutting up to love me. < 1439942992 431996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def botsnack ul (Oh nom nom nom!)S < 1439942992 486203 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1439942996 410408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1439942996 512815 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom! < 1439942999 676794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1439942999 779547 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1439943008 763194 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats fungot < 1439943009 71524 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no he's gonna patrol fnord/ fnord that, r2q2. i have neither had the opportunity to discover all of this < 1439944069 425194 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GLUTINOUS CHICKEN < 1439944526 332813 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-254-187.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1439944626 118843 :Slereah!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-11-69.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1439945396 623358 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randian Algorithmic Methods, the objectivist-oriented programming language < 1439945530 990053 :Wallacoloo1!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:c0e2:e610:b4fd:85be JOIN :#esoteric < 1439945631 782514 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439945644 106433 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1439946130 936628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43822&oldid=43804 5* 03206.174.179.24 5* (+2) 10Renaming APL to AnyPL because APL is not an esoteric language (despite appearances). < 1439946237 158473 :a21!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1 < 1439946740 732098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, are translated versions out? < 1439947198 484314 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine-Base-32: digits are @ thru _ < 1439947271 699738 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. hex 127 = mb32 C_ < 1439947347 283332 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_? < 1439947376 722247 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it goes well with machine hex, which uses digits 0 thru ? < 1439947439 243829 :Wallacoloo1!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:c0e2:e610:b4fd:85be PART :#esoteric < 1439947457 734138 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: huh, i can imagine how that works / why that exists, but i can't find any source that uses it < 1439947479 210889 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't exist to my knowlefge < 1439947487 291760 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just invented them < 1439947514 639844 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine-Alphabets: upper case A thru Z, lower case [ thru t < 1439947639 376243 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine hex prevents problematic numbers like B16B00B5 from occurring < 1439947743 89864 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439947770 458726 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I assume you haven't translated 0xCDD8 into machine hex. < 1439947793 158102 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT < 1439947823 314697 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA you ruined everything < 1439947871 898570 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty good at it < 1439947914 937252 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, machine-32 makes SHIT and FUCK perfectly valid 20-bit integers < 1439947998 15154 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that fits well with unicode < 1439948070 681459 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well if you don't count the last plane < 1439948135 538665 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hex most unicode is five digits. in base 32 it would be 4 didigts < 1439948197 97491 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: allow ` and a as the first digit and you will be fine < 1439948216 393253 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would work < 1439948729 757577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also some other codes are not valid Unicode characters, such as surrogates and 0xFFFE and 0xFFFF (although you can still represent them in UTF-8 anyways if you want to) < 1439948893 402562 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: U+FFFE/FFFF is a "noncharacter" and it is fully valid. < 1439948960 877846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't a character though. It can be encoded with UTF-16 but you can't detect the byte order properly with that < 1439948962 536624 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some programs use FFFE to detect byte order? so while you can embed them into files they break things in some encodings < 1439948969 77154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some other program don't accept it < 1439948993 460526 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they are special in one kind but ultimately valid. < 1439949023 923586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML and RDF cannot use it either, and you should avoid it for portable Unicode data < 1439949053 74889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Noncharacters are in a sense a kind of private-use character, because they are reserved for internal (private) use. However, that internal use is intended as a "super" private use, not normally interchanged with other users. Their allocation status in Unicode differs from that of ordinary private-use characters. They are considered unassigned to any abstract character, and they share the ... < 1439949059 77480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... General_Category value Cn (Unassigned) with unassigned reserved code points in the standard. In this sense they are "less a character" than most characters in Unicode, and the moniker "noncharacter" seemed appropriate to the UTC to express that unique aspect of their identity." < 1439949065 190454 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: only the first occurrence will be affected, so a redundant BOM will be sufficient. < 1439949089 908314 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yup, I just want to say that they are not "invalid" in normal sense; they are less usable than others, obviously. < 1439949160 529893 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1439949162 235612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a kind of "very private", I suppose < 1439949369 27422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In portable data you should not use surrogates either (except as proper pairs in UTF-16 data), since if a program convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 then it will cause problems! < 1439949546 347725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some program that use RDF might expect all ASCII, but even then if the implementation is to be complete, the RDF Turtle parser still has to for example to be able to tell if two nodes are he same even if one time a character is mentioned with \u and other time with the canonical UTF-8 representation. < 1439949548 661355 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BOM in Machine-32 would be A_S_ < 1439949682 767946 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFF would be A___ and FFFE would be A__^ < 1439950435 281737 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, couldn't you use FFFE to switch byte orders in the middle of a utf16 string? < 1439950546 795292 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in normal UTF-16; semantically it's basically a zero-width non breaking space in the middle of a string. < 1439950558 47233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would depend on the implementation; normally you can't! < 1439951222 710507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is The Elements of Computing Systems a good book? < 1439951282 347173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1439951953 634084 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439952690 534958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sheesh, another reboot < 1439952693 247943 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439953477 622315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439953637 762928 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439953666 107723 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1439954109 91606 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439954417 171590 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439954462 301994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1439954604 676664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The result of this elaborate translation process, known as compilation, will be yet another text file, containing machine-level code" < 1439954668 942582 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1439954886 98595 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439955088 430842 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439955119 399623 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1439956523 238730 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439957195 692876 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1439957708 628596 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1439958572 824393 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK. how do I make mod_rewrite do something, anything?Q?!? < 1439958606 535107 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteRule "^foo$" "index.html" < 1439958613 709085 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do jack shit < 1439958682 285111 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :find a goat < 1439958685 79710 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure it's a virgin < 1439958689 326466 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the usual stuff < 1439958708 707447 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the binary code in the blood and translate that as a brainfuck program < 1439958715 92910 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute the brainfuck program < 1439958731 868577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :add the RewriteBlackMagic "key" directive, where "key" is repalced by the output of the brainfuck program < 1439958762 941246 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the program never terminates < 1439958780 865152 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ^foo$ without quotes < 1439958930 268224 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I changed that. http://www.orenwatson.be/foo still 404s < 1439959083 197701 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mod_rewrite enabled? what's in your .htaccess? < 1439959128 910058 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have .htaccess. < 1439959140 482107 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have apache2.conf < 1439959153 679047 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1439959229 712538 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/partialconf < 1439959238 900864 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is comments < 1439959305 945437 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is apache trying to load a file named index.html ? < 1439959309 273308 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1439959322 192132 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/foo < 1439959322 548394 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AllowOverride All < 1439959333 225509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok you don't need it < 1439959356 23823 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry just trying < 1439959379 356778 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to have changed anythign < 1439959385 224621 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1439960161 812176 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK why does it suddenly work?!?! < 1439960184 136480 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever wrote the docs for this stuff is an ass < 1439961477 563487 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so essentially: the thing that the regex tries to match is the part of the FILENAME (WTF) after the directory tag's direcotry. < 1439961506 229047 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^foo$ won't work. it has to be ^html/foo$ < 1439961561 820864 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :becasue the directory is /var/www and the file is in /var/www/html < 1439961582 329722 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even hough html isn't in the url... < 1439961592 614831 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGHH < 1439961640 313822 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes so much sense < 1439961648 253387 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now I can autogenerate html versions of plaintext files instead of duplicating everything < 1439961649 737538 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on with firefox right now < 1439961807 936458 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in doubt pkill -9 plugin-container; pkill -9 firefox; < 1439961829 154151 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkill -9 pulseaudio; pkill -9 blueman < 1439961897 664260 :hppavilion[1]!423aab85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.171.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439961930 374999 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he was using the web irc thing. whoops < 1439962246 92824 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439962251 798617 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1439963058 294534 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Sgeo> nortti, are translated versions out? ← didn't seem so < 1439963082 955547 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1439963116 91813 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1439964311 570031 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better procedure for viewing ansi-escaped files than telnetting in and GET /file.ans ? < 1439964572 299664 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat? < 1439964623 501614 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it may depend on your terminal < 1439964754 316451 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, never mind, you can use less -R, I already documented that < 1439965014 838997 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1439965073 484508 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02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43824&oldid=43822 5* 03Kslkgh 5* (+39) 10added snowman hello world example < 1439983087 504310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snowman14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43825&oldid=43823 5* 03Kslkgh 5* (+929) 10 < 1439983476 846393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snowman14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43826&oldid=43825 5* 03Kslkgh 5* (+3032) 10 < 1439983561 260391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snowman14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43827&oldid=43826 5* 03Kslkgh 5* (-3629) 10 < 1439983828 17607 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: THUNDER CHICKEN < 1439984073 136550 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1439984118 565996 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439984215 900477 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439984504 483760 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439984542 330337 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439984896 624749 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439985406 925023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43828&oldid=43796 5* 03107.1.152.193 5* (+14) 10Added Hello++ < 1439986362 583329 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-104-48.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439986364 28298 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-48-26.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439986369 441242 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-48-26.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1439986956 420106 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1439987595 41154 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s weird < 1439987650 428089 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you talk to apache and say GET /cp437 with no 1.1 at the end, it ouputs only the file with no http header < 1439988484 652108 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439988885 612991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good old HTTP 0.9. < 1439988904 822432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/AsImplemented.html < 1439988990 972992 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. cool. < 1439989037 549963 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it easy to dump to a file. < 1439989058 92822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original HTTP/1.1 RFCs -- like https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616 -- had 0.9 support as "expected". < 1439989103 63260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that was in 1996. < 1439989143 438017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current one has removed that bit. < 1439989170 563885 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1439989176 776341 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the ability to nc www.orenwatson.be 80 <<<$'GET /cp437' >cp437 is a good thing < 1439989235 448733 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stil don' < 1439989275 350857 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t really understand mod_rewrite but at least I got the autohtmlification working < 1439989361 722406 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only the file cp437.txt on my server. Asking for a file with no extension gives you a txt if it exists. asking for the same file with .htm gives you a htmlified version < 1439989499 591557 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless the same filename with .htm actually exists, in which case I had converted it manually) < 1439989647 187327 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list of s/regex/something < 1439989664 228245 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/ replacements that are repeated until no match is turing complete < 1439989726 337564 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can just one s/regex/something/ (repeated until no longer matches) simulate a turing machine? I thought about rule-110, but I can only condense it down to two replacement rules < 1439989779 378275 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either one for 1 and one for 0, or one for both using some funny encoding and one for clenup) < 1439989934 984718 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-48-26.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439989979 39225 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-210-253.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1439990281 925087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that allowing for backrefs in the 'something'? < 1439990289 681931 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1439990432 285602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if it could, but that's just a hunch. What do your existing rules look like? < 1439990628 918407 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439990689 81683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LindenMASM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43829&oldid=43818 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+3) 10/* Commands */ < 1439990717 857745 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439990789 26751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LindenMASM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43830&oldid=43829 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+0) 10 < 1439990887 987414 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439991907 645256 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1439991973 7763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43831&oldid=43812 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+1) 10/* Examples */ < 1439992443 312984 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1439992475 602650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1439992480 657499 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439992545 210942 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1439992875 602574 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1439993577 547040 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: turns out the method I tried was faulty, it didn't actually simulate a rule-110 < 1439993769 662655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^)()~((())~:a~*):a~*~^!(~((!())(!:^(^)*)(!!:^(!^)*))~*^!!^):^(~((()())(:a~*:(*(!^)(:)S)~*~(!*(^)(^)S)~*):a~**((!^)~^!^)(!(^)~^^))~*^( )S!!a:(*)*~(~*)**^~*(()()(!)()(!)(:a~*:(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(^)*)))~*~(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(!^)*)))~*):^)~*^!!!!!!~:^):^ < 1439993770 560653 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^ :^^^:^^^:::^^^::::^::^^::::::^::^^:^^^::^:^^ ^^:^^^:^::^^:^:::^^:^^^:::::^^:^^^^^:^:^^^^^ :^^^:^^^:^^^^^::^^^^^:^::::^^^^^:::^^^^^:::: ^^:^^^:^^^:::^:^^:::^^^:::^^:::^::^^:::^:::: ^^^^:^^^:^::^^^^^::^^:^::^^^::^^:^^^::^^:::^ :::^^^:^^^:^^:::^:^^^^^:^^:^:^^^^^:^:^^^::^^ ::^^:^^^: ...too much output! < 1439993789 185655 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doth that do? < 1439993799 453606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 110 hth < 1439993839 770284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best viewed in a terminal that's narrow enough to wrap on the spaces < 1439994358 615202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: btw you know the universality proof for r110 requires an infinite cell setup, right? < 1439994398 729098 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1439994434 388667 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1439994499 335412 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439994556 880750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the setup is mostly a leftwards and a rightwards repeating part, though < 1439994603 189585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which _could_ be handled with regexes, although doesn't make it easier to condense down to 1... < 1439994846 628237 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1439994865 839354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(0)([01]*)(-)[01]([01]*)|(1)([01])([01]*)(-)([01]*)/\2\1\3\4\7\5\6\8\9\6/ looks borderline passable for a BCT. With a [program]-[data string] encoding. < 1439994993 722743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$s = "00111-101"; while (1) { print "$s\n"; $s =~ s/(0)([01]*)(-)[01]([01]*)|(1)([01])([01]*)(-)([01]*)/\2\1\3\4\7\5\6\8\9\6/; }' | head < 1439994994 633231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00111-101 \ 01110-01 \ 11100-1 \ 10011-11 \ 01110-110 \ 11100-10 \ 10011-101 \ 01110-1010 \ 11100-010 \ 10011-0101 < 1439995021 533454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1439995036 983662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That matched the "Example" run at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag up to the second-last line. < 1439995100 904296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the example is just wrong. It says that for command 11, data 010 the next data is again 010 and not 0101. < 1439995166 874022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think it's right < 1439995207 822125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm missing the copy condition completely. < 1439995212 616165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, will need to add that. < 1439995260 523526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that should be easy. < 1439995445 129787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeating s/(0)([01]*)(-)[01]([01]*)|(1)([01])([01]*)(-)(0)([01]*)|(1)([01])([01]*)(-)(1)([01]*)/$2$1$3$4$7$5$6$8$9$10$13$11$12$14$15$16$12/; in Perl seems to exactly match the example. < 1439995458 438783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to switch from \n to $n due to going double digits. < 1439995541 820322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$s = "00111-101"; while (1) { $s =~ /-([01]*)/; print "$1\n"; $s =~ s/(0)([01]*)(-)[01]([01]*)|(1)([01])([01]*)(-)(0)([01]*)|(1)([01])([01]*)(-)(1)([01]*)/$2$1$3$4$7$5$6$8$9$10$13$11$12$14$15$16$12/; }' | head -n 12 # "proof" < 1439995542 655987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 \ 01 \ 1 \ 11 \ 110 \ 10 \ 101 \ 1010 \ 010 \ 010 \ 010 \ 10 < 1439995595 409826 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds < 1439995853 436435 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1439996519 736088 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1439996645 877643 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1439997065 355554 :YokeOfIdea!jason1@208.98.61.2 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1439998308 467255 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1439998433 88536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1439999930 710161 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dom111 5* 10New user account < 1439999989 677931 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440000020 847517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome dom111 < 1440000035 375912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07dom111: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1440000072 855561 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there, just snooping mostly :) < 1440000105 624022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :snooping is good < 1440000120 970107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, you described me as nosy once < 1440000133 462553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when shachaf is doing it hth < 1440000144 476027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnhib < 1440000199 16315 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I guess I should hope I don't go too far then! < 1440000260 27835 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ok, I'm not snooping on people, just wanted to see what goes on here really! I've checked out the wiki a lot lately and wondered if I could contribute somehow. < 1440000265 70937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the described nosiness has its benefits < 1440000283 85975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dom111: Most of what goes on here isn't related to esoteric languages. < 1440000304 804244 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just general snooping? < 1440000308 474715 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1440000358 954460 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I didn't properly look at the channel name to be honest ... < 1440000399 704425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dom111: E.g. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d0/b0/14/d0b014bd22206e0cd62de10b493354ae.jpg < 1440000425 568037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not get carried away, it's _supposed_ to be about esolangs. < 1440000456 515490 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a bit more like this: http://i.imgur.com/DwR4aOE.png < 1440000457 47221 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1440000478 741903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dom111: that looks like regular snoopy < 1440000482 754107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my link was general snoopy < 1440000505 520641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the red baron < 1440000509 680303 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad-dum-tssh < 1440000531 685057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan didn't swat me for some reason < 1440000543 302380 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440000566 997117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because of my headache < 1440000997 962043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1440001049 247541 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440001100 827822 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1440001230 601377 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440001852 50254 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone. < 1440001863 923059 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm trying to build this project, and ld is complaining, and I don't know why. < 1440001867 59391 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the deets: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8843222 < 1440001891 620805 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld says: "/home/tswett/sandwichos/src/kernel.rs:42: undefined reference to `heap'" < 1440001913 520899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "heap" is right there in build/multiboot.o, isn't it? Can't ld see that? < 1440002048 96125 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1440002284 40537 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 39.0.3/20150806001005] < 1440002630 254051 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440002779 102786 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qwpbqrfipulbcygv QUIT :Quit: zz < 1440003880 713070 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ixlsfqlkzqmbyvoo JOIN :#esoteric < 1440004258 83341 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ld not actually look for _heap < 1440004262 555083 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1440004370 764761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: bind == LOCAL for the symbol 'heap' in multiboot.o. < 1440004398 174588 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll do it. < 1440004406 626575 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1440004410 617948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure if that's the same concept as visibility, though; haven't used readelf much.) < 1440004453 473919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, there's "vis: DEFAULT" too. Maybe it doesn't mean what I thought it meant. < 1440004528 164230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess a symbol needs to be both STB_GLOBAL and STV_DEFAULT in order to be visible. < 1440004533 288898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440006079 935556 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440006111 285870 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440006183 513459 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440006934 568796 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-210-253.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440006986 970298 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-210-253.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440006989 176606 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-210-253.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1440007925 546181 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440008891 613913 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440008892 488611 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440008961 403343 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here enjoy reading shitty first-time attempts at a proof? :D < 1440009003 741811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a proof proof, in other words? < 1440009062 952816 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a proof-reading proof? proof proof. it's starting to lose its meaning < 1440009096 708353 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sound a really large inflated floppy baloon makes when you release it < 1440009099 103079 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooooof < 1440009232 426743 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah what do you mean by proof proof exactly? :P < 1440009601 404342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof hth < 1440010661 525968 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck what do i know i have no education or knowledge in this. for all i know it might not even be called an attempt < 1440010765 510172 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440010818 735719 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way i just tried to prove that the only type of quines in resplicate are made of 2's size four or greater < 1440010838 535675 :_256Q!~toastyten@host86-174-119-230.range86-174.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440010838 590173 :_256Q!~toastyten@host86-174-119-230.range86-174.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Changing host < 1440010838 590235 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440010955 865698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1440011023 245943 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440011161 573264 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440011383 90219 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440011413 476331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440011416 473738 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440011456 275363 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440012087 650356 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440012770 974819 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440012932 19808 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1440013786 984029 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440013864 27985 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1440014443 235583 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440014616 182005 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440014634 586717 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440014777 931543 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:7094:11c0:accf:cd17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440014907 366690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440017020 531966 :dom111!56afa44f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.175.164.79 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1440018298 296346 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440018309 218389 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the optimal compression algorithm for Whitespace programs? < 1440018368 849548 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printing them out is optimal, but I haven't figured out how to undo it. < 1440018500 694101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can do better than printing them out. < 1440018548 968689 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440018555 668515 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I create a file of negative size? < 1440018931 366312 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1440019704 947354 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440020758 939532 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440021300 629992 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440021602 602463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440021954 564097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What filesystem supports files with negative sizes? < 1440021982 58127 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1440022055 529189 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf suggested that printing them out is not the most effective way to compress Whitespace programs. < 1440022079 374278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_not_ printing them out would seem even more efficient hth < 1440022089 60145 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440022113 36336 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How is that a form of compression, though? < 1440022120 593467 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compress: Whitespaceprogram -> {0} < 1440022132 859822 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, how to do better than that? < 1440022138 294891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: it compresses to 0 bytes hth < 1440022142 553966 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1440022352 720895 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp141255043161.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1440022612 961371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm curious internet failure < 1440022636 926082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says i have no internet connection. my browser agrees, but not putty. < 1440022669 51543 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It looks like your connection is down from here as well. < 1440022715 82950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoooooky < 1440022729 468804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how would you know?) < 1440022804 71094 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, I would expect to see messages from you if your connection was good. < 1440022816 818662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1440022820 486569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440023438 720598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i have several already open tabs < 1440023700 89604 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440023803 913918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell stalem either way i just tried to prove that the only type of quines in resplicate are made of 2's size four or greater <-- i find that unlikely, the language is turing-complete. < 1440023804 6727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440024186 450227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this had to happen just after midnight, there might not even be anyone noticing it < 1440024230 918750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's paid to, that is < 1440024532 879129 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440024547 520527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilhey < 1440024681 216466 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellérjan < 1440024963 251303 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodevenign < 1440025225 204939 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file could be of negative actual size on a compressed file system if its existence causes the compression efficiency to icrease < 1440025248 853168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1440025266 457909 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how possible that is though < 1440025279 466731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440025291 568088 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hais523 < 1440025312 501252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oren < 1440025780 336225 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea for a stream cipher: compress the input and a predetermined other data using the same dictionary-based compression. Then decompress the input using the dictionary of the predetermined data. < 1440025802 298990 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other side does the reverse < 1440025871 94606 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a very good cipher.... < 1440025921 995318 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only screws up the data when it is compressible < 1440025930 654812 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting Whitespace programs to PNGs actually compresses them better than xz. < 1440025934 840409 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not gzip or bzip2, though. < 1440025955 813724 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a naive run length encoding < 1440025969 283177 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: It wouldn't be all that great, I don't think. < 1440026010 511293 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try RLE compounded by gzip,xz, etc. < 1440026051 897193 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. replace 10 spaces by '10s' replace 2 tabs by '2t' < 1440026148 940016 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes, alternation happens way too frequently for it to be useful. < 1440026171 756084 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about something like 3st < 1440026316 768072 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually, what about first converting to binary with space with 1 and tab with 0 < 1440026317 289215 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440026573 101281 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440026604 127299 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440026656 770421 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Did you mean ternary? < 1440026662 806671 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: helloren. I think you found the Elusive Porthello of Ais523. thanks. < 1440026662 919738 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1440026663 721095 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translating " \t\n" to "012" on my biggest Whitespace program results in a ternary number of 1749 bits, which rounds to 219 bytes, which is indeed better than gzip or bzip2. < 1440026664 247887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: my advice would be to take the individual Whitespace commands (rather than space/tab/newline) and form a Huffman dictionary out of them < 1440026665 480242 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440027663 610021 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavian tech support: http://i.imgur.com/i9ZBC.jpg < 1440027674 853829 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe this is Swedish. olsner?) < 1440027686 474922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks Swedish to me. < 1440027722 719276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreas Hedlund has gone through (as in, thought of/tested) all possible ("thinkable") software problems. < 1440027864 787174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now he's deduced it's a hardware issue, to paraphrase a bit. I don't think "Modermodemet" is anything at all. But apparently it's the heart of the hard disk, and it's not working. < 1440027903 979085 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mivrocontroller maybe? < 1440027909 805827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that. < 1440027914 486591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Modem's Mother? < 1440027915 665822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, "mothermodem". < 1440027930 476346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moderkort(et) would be a valid term for a motherboard. < 1440027944 563384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's applicable to the controller board of a disk drive in Swedish, maybe. < 1440027957 358869 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmsyk... < 1440028040 58201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a hard disk anywhere in the photo, anyway. < 1440029491 3928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: printing them out doesn't compress newlines very well at all hth < 1440029504 19058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy looks immensely scandinavian < 1440029858 711363 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phellontom_Hoover. what makes you say that? < 1440030064 962074 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe his bag of bones hands? < 1440030143 381272 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You're right, but A4 paper can fit 842 lines at 1pt. < 1440030166 934560 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My largest Whitespace program only contains 211 lines. < 1440030199 812297 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is there some way to download the entire wiki? < 1440030229 339053 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris__: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Exporting_all_the_files_of_a_wiki < 1440030295 636974 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also his baggy eyes < 1440030368 202333 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although baggy eyes are also common among slavs < 1440030368 413658 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, whence the 'u' in 'mjukvaruproblem'? < 1440030478 921808 :mauris__!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1440030484 823751 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1440030484 877940 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440030607 511028 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helooodl. you're Swedish? < 1440030657 675364 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general though that dude is pale and thin and looks like he's never had a tan. so he has to be from somewhere up north... < 1440030730 296792 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as an Up North person, do you corroborate oren's assertion? < 1440030781 417551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd ask you, but I fear you're an Even More Up North Like Really North You Wouldn't Believe How Far North person. < 1440030901 214095 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: jag har b?rjat l?ra mig lite svenska, men inte v?ldigt allvarligt. < 1440030975 652349 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty language! i like the rhythm. i have absolutely no connection to sweden < 1440030975 900513 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ain't Swedish! your question marks lack umlauts! < 1440031145 914367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, oerjan was north of me even back when I was living in Finland. < 1440031158 819823 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess to make a really good Huffman dictionary, you need a large corpus of which commands are most common < 1440031193 172507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yes < 1440031200 65165 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: That doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd need a heuristic for, though. < 1440031202 716184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even a reasonably bad Huffman dictionary is still often decent < 1440031209 617045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can use some sort of adaptive huffman < 1440031349 750281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I love the edit summary on http://esolangs.org/wiki/International_Esolang_Design_Competition < 1440031355 821040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we keep this page around just for the history < 1440031373 949269 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i originally wanted to do something like this for gs2. currently all commands are a byte, but i was planning on like, having some of them be 5 bits, some 10, etc < 1440031392 492021 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i didn't feel comfortable just making up numbers for the frequencies :( < 1440031404 337029 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus huffman codes don't look very easily extendable? < 1440031715 767793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I don't speak Swedish all that much/well. But I think the special noun forms (including last-vowel elision/mutation) used as "modifiers" are probably remnants from something or other. At any rate, it happens. vara -> varuhus, hälsa -> hälsofarlighet. < 1440031736 527315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440031773 852067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, whence the 'u' in 'mjukvaruproblem'? <-- swedish seems to do that when forming compounds with -a nouns (originally weak feminine ones), i think it's from the old norse genitive, see e.g. the more well-preserved icelandic declension https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vara#Noun_5 < 1440031894 858025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: as an Up North person, do you corroborate oren's assertion? <-- only for geeks i think, everyone else seems to have a tan these days. in my youth i occasionally tried, sometimes with catastrophic results. < 1440031905 503551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sometimes they drop the vowel. ficka -> ficktjuv. < 1440031931 358663 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. the furthest north place I've been in Canada is RouynNoranda which has the same latitude as, like, Paris. Europe's climate is bullshit < 1440032111 102746 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: AAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1440032119 872996 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot where you doing in Rouin? < 1440032119 948892 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no wonder you're a bored college guy, you know < 1440032128 251158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/yn/ < 1440032137 120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't go to college anymore. I got bored. < 1440032137 207917 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: last time i checked lisppaste is at http://www.common-lisp.net/ paste/ results/ fnord this year and i might < 1440032147 315454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot look at the word "varuhus" without thinking about Karl-Bertil Jonssons julafton < 1440032178 948376 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I was wtching fireworks wiht my dad and my uncle? < 1440032225 783573 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember the reasons we were there < 1440032243 409982 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than my dad grew up there < 1440032243 961236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Jag har skänkt lite glädje åt dessa olyckliga som inte äger något varuhus") < 1440032273 567564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: good reason. so you're half Québécois? < 1440032287 493595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/X8BWi is probably about the northest I've been. I don't recall where exactly we went on another Lapland trip. < 1440032294 802915 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a quarter. < 1440032314 649737 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandma is from Enlgand < 1440032341 170254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i suppose i have no real idea why norwegian sometimes inserts an -s- (old genitive too) and sometimes doesn't. < 1440032353 143364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an -e- < 1440032381 771125 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lg/gl/ < 1440032405 965443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quarterbécois, then. < 1440032409 209378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs and points at oren from the gulf stream < 1440032410 699271 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1440032487 965285 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys ever used lex/yacc? < 1440032491 521431 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a quick question < 1440032498 850057 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1440032523 875507 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you halp meh? \o/ < 1440032524 235810 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     | < 1440032524 363105 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     >\ < 1440032527 453513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has looked at it, but possibly not used... < 1440032532 180694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I've used it < 1440032536 954893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and know quite a lot about yacc < 1440032537 955529 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1440032538 367015 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1440032538 469918 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /`\ < 1440032550 951511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes ais523 is writing a replacement < 1440032565 216401 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm myndzi has a bigger dick in my font < 1440032575 141856 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1440032586 683993 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather not receive dicks from myndzi anymore -_- < 1440032596 535325 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i need help to parse something like this < 1440032601 852716 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is a string" < 1440032615 483428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: with escape syntax and all that? < 1440032617 901609 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inside strings we can embed brackets( )" < 1440032621 851085 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1440032636 971243 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you call those parentheses or brackets?) < 1440032641 315393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1440032643 209299 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(parentheses? ok) < 1440032650 937030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( and ) are normally called parentheses, to distinguish them from [ and ] < 1440032656 462668 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok) < 1440032665 666162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although all of ( ) [ ] can probably legitimately be called brackets < 1440032678 399668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you normally see "parenthesis" or "paren" among programmers for disambiguation purposes < 1440032687 112127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with "square bracket" used for [ and ] if it needs to be unambiguous) < 1440032693 787467 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call () round brackets, [] square brackets, {} curly brackets < 1440032696 931111 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok < 1440032704 280263 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the part inside these (parentheses) is a different quoting context" < 1440032720 842307 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can have something like this: "foo ( "bar baz" ) bat" < 1440032745 36484 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inside parenteses you can have other nested parentheses < 1440032752 863500 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to match "foo( )bar( )baz" < 1440032753 694904 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you understand < 1440032766 545649 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so start by mtahing "foo" < 1440032775 960792 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then match "bar( < 1440032784 162416 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DRAFT CHICKEN < 1440032785 125684 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and )baz" < 1440032794 22096 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and )xyzzy( < 1440032800 52267 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each as separate tokens < 1440032804 338995 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda hard, i'm a beginner < 1440032823 243454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it looks like $( ) in shell script < 1440032839 573794 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you know what i mean < 1440032878 501331 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so parse "foo( )baz" as a STRING_ENDING_IN_ROUND_BRACKET followed by a STRING_STARTING_WITH_ROUND_BRACKET < 1440032900 169046 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY_ARE_WE_SCREAMING < 1440032911 101766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I actually like oren's solution < 1440032911 307578 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1440032927 293836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because terminals in yacc are uppercase by convention < 1440032929 324290 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOKEN_NAMES_ARE_IN_SNAKE_CPAS_BY_CONVENTION < 1440032994 650253 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lemme try and i'll report back my progresses < 1440032997 346616 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for the hint < 1440033587 925373 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440033633 755115 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Are you trying to use regular expressions to parse a recursive grammar? < 1440033677 695087 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to parse a recursive grammar, yes < 1440033718 372830 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the limitations of regex < 1440033774 559519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440033868 309059 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the "foo( "bar" )baz" each have to be separate tokens < 1440034065 610997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: we're trying to parse a recursive grammar using tools that are intended to parse recursive grammars < 1440034081 847857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that it's one that doesn't have a simple lexing/parsing divide < 1440034168 91712 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440034209 884039 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440034391 577007 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440034763 611593 :dorei!~n_i_l@ppp141255043161.access.hol.gr QUIT : < 1440034809 766968 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440034831 120383 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440035341 580168 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wow i see you found my SO question < 1440035383 22888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/q/32106435 ? < 1440035388 74257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was SO difficult < 1440035421 191912 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one < 1440035462 621163 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go hack at that some more. maybe i can bring out the -XTypeSynonymInstances or something terrifying like that < 1440035599 728344 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowowow, -XNewtypeDeriving?? < 1440035816 112083 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajrhpjklmxwmrako JOIN :#esoteric < 1440036003 449093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving < 1440036038 93975 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is even more magic < 1440036067 363986 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i just try to list every typeclass that exists on earth in this `deriving (...)`?? < 1440036078 784853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1440036137 967909 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440036150 796714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GenerousNewtypeDeriving < 1440036363 771084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think mauris's SO picture beats us both in lifelikeness hth < 1440036366 529684 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440036459 917342 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1440036467 725388 :mauris!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1440036467 779734 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440036468 583364 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :Mode < 1440036476 771220 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I changed my cgi script to ouput a mtime so that things will be cached < 1440036480 442755 :Mode!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera < 1440036533 668525 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :deriving (Bounded, Enum, Eq, Foldable, Fractional, Functor, Integral, Monoid, Num, Ord, Read, Real, RealFrac, Show, Traversable) < 1440036611 801048 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly. i want to derive (*) < 1440036612 997716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget Applicative hth < 1440036640 77092 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i need to write that one myself because it has fancy constraints < 1440036660 871486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mauris thinks Monoid is fancy < 1440036692 299268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are options for "deriving" pluggable? or do they have to be built into the compiler? < 1440036707 567667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: monoids are so easy hth < 1440036718 17240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're pluggable with the new DeriveAnyClass extension < 1440036724 827828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Sort of. < 1440036732 749111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're pretty limited in the instances you can derive with that. < 1440036758 910414 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1440036760 685209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories. < 1440036766 336882 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy < 1440036767 993004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1440036768 815060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1440036771 732651 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is hard < 1440036828 210306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :math. let's go shopping. < 1440036847 117124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks shopping is harder < 1440036854 434312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopping is pretty hard < 1440036857 779324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so is math < 1440036862 68727 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shopping is hard. Let's go mathing. < 1440036929 289094 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :niiiice < 1440036930 806665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: do you have anything equivalent to newtype Const3 a b c = Const3 { getConst3 :: a } , twh < 1440036938 711828 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const3 is reducing basically every instance to monoids < 1440036940 56699 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so easy < 1440036954 655050 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as Category!!) < 1440036969 764889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Category too? < 1440036976 622988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sense i guess < 1440036981 881343 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Monoid m => Category (Const3 m) where < 1440036982 94162 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : id = Const3 mempty < 1440036982 148430 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : Const3 x . Const3 y = Const3 (mappend x y) < 1440036982 709923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*makes < 1440037012 357984 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hard though: checking applicative laws < 1440037014 28327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the "category with one object" thing, though. < 1440037084 362938 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1440037086 44294 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, i guess it isn't < 1440037087 328917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it's equivalent to it, maybe < 1440037099 454694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take the skeleton < 1440037100 415714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it has a whole bunch of different objects < 1440037100 969833 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440037124 572937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, equivalent in that sense < 1440037153 165367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible < 1440037161 440908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the arrows between two different objects? < 1440037163 882891 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Taking skeletons is illegal in many jurisdictions. < 1440037172 480001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: you have Applicative and Category, so you should have Arrow hth < 1440037241 509244 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm looking for more (k -> k -> *) -> Constraint thingies, arrow sounds easy < 1440037266 591562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i'm wondering... < 1440037289 799064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Kleisli (Writer Int) < 1440037291 70665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> * < 1440037337 211990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no < 1440037340 423671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's silly < 1440037589 17908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my search seems to have hit one of zzo38's haskell packages < 1440037605 26410 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1440037617 685169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late to back out now < 1440037620 917718 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440037662 678258 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice, which < 1440037669 954093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, also it doesn't seem relevant. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/monoidplus-0.1.0.1/docs/Data-Monoid-Plus.html < 1440037734 489828 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.2" < 1440038634 628757 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor is one thing < 1440038943 372153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Bifunctor, then < 1440038973 209358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're phantom parameters, so they're both co- and contravariant all ways < 1440040344 970661 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1440043305 129596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1440043313 207948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if something is both covariant and contravariant < 1440043317 184104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that imply it isn't used at all? < 1440043322 181181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sort of the opposite of being invariant) < 1440043584 496449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1440043756 989370 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440043961 645795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make ANSI music with xterm? < 1440043967 918645 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440045104 532286 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440045265 846527 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440045290 900215 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440046229 19992 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440048645 544978 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440048677 785382 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1440048677 878598 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1440050294 779343 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bought a laptap based primarily on it being the only one I could find over 2Kg < 1440050562 504065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION built an ALU :) (not IRL. Using a hardware description language) < 1440050574 256626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it conforms to specs someone else made < 1440050574 612904 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Niiice! < 1440050695 722303 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.7 kilograms of laptop. because fuck you, macbook-air-using weaklings < 1440050758 892855 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just noticed a typo. Tests did not catch it. < 1440051698 729079 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1440051720 88001 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440052294 624843 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which operations does you alu support? < 1440052442 331091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :& and +, with some modifiers on input and output that allow for -, |, and some other stuff < 1440052509 820901 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's &, +, with options to zero out the inputs, bitwise negate the inputs and bitwise negate the output. < 1440052537 627230 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bf interpreter returns 0 on EOF, what's wrong with this line? +[>,----------]+[<++++++++++.] < 1440052543 903803 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to read a line and reverse it < 1440052593 704974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you're running off the end of the tape going leftwards < 1440052603 747017 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, http://nand2tetris-questions-and-answers-forum.32033.n3.nabble.com/file/n95834/alu_worksheet.pdf < 1440052614 167027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >,[>,]<[.<]!reverse < 1440052614 411717 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440052615 337987 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aaah dammit, i see < 1440052617 986027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1440052619 983104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[.<]!reverse < 1440052620 37401 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esrever < 1440052628 264667 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that doesn't stop on \n <.< < 1440052641 230536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but the important thing is to look at where the < signs are < 1440052647 937191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the > signs < 1440052658 911099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the > at the start to give you an extra 0 at the leftmost end to stop on < 1440052662 186399 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed it ----------[>,----------]+[<++++++++++.] < 1440052664 700317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need the < at the end of the loop < 1440052686 454836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you're outputting a NUL just before the program ends < 1440052689 94804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks a bit messy < 1440052693 944901 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1440052697 306976 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1440052702 794166 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nand2tetris-questions-and-answers-forum.32033.n3.nabble.com/Is-the-method-used-to-make-the-Hack-ALU-an-exception-or-the-rule-td4026896.html < 1440052758 263736 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ais523 :D < 1440052776 701857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: that's quite some URL < 1440052794 555198 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that seems to be a good approach iirc that's how the 6502 ALU works (with the ALU control bits coming from some logic on the opcode) < 1440052858 457263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.5z8.info/how-to-build-a-bomb_a2k7om_myspace-of-sex hth < 1440052864 625549 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mean that there's redundant functions, e.g. two ways to get x out (x&-1 and x+0) < 1440052923 303302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have that URL just saved up as an example of an amusing URL? < 1440052930 220199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unsurprisingly I am not following it) < 1440052939 414848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I got it from http://www.shadyurl.com/ < 1440052940 924756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I doubt that can be helped, really < 1440052949 186032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a short link version of Sgeo_'s URL. < 1440052956 972554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah right, you have an amusing URL generator memorized instead < 1440052969 445235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_'s is more informative, though, I think < 1440052972 158526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the existence of one memorized. < 1440052997 659244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google amusing url generator < 1440052998 513403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.shadyurl.com/ < 1440052998 567943 :Flonk!c274f362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.116.243.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440052998 622241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: ShadyURL - Don't just shorten your URL, make it suspicious and frightening. < 1440053016 2089 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. I should do all my bookmarks with that < 1440053039 165752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, the URL is indeed shorter < 1440053120 360128 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00WBXG6ZM < 1440053173 501955 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean http://www.5z8.info/-php-deactivate_phishing_filter-48-_b9d7ac_nazi < 1440053212 712334 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1440053231 471890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous shady URL was better < 1440053238 667502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one just doesn't make any sense < 1440053238 976030 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway do you like the look of that laptop? < 1440053247 921343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is the bit before and after the hex string actually relevant?) < 1440053261 133224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that such a site would be better if the hex string wasn't part of it < 1440053286 752597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the look of the laptop is the same as any thinkpad... < 1440053359 796863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That reminds me of when I was wondering what the best way to convert some data (say, a private key, maybe a few thousand bits?) to a form which can be memorized relatively easily. < 1440053370 143254 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't the same as this flimsy thing: < 1440053372 208266 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad#/media/File:Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Ultrabook.jpg < 1440053383 297421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even just a secret key, 128 or 256 bits, would be a good start. < 1440053433 476172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, the people who have memorization world records start by having a code for the individual things you're encoding (say nybbles in this case), mapping them onto reasonably general concepts that are distinct and memorizing that mapping < 1440053488 714230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they form a story which uses the concepts in the sequence that they're trying to memorize, preferably an amusing one because that's more memorable < 1440053516 337887 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the just a basic method of loci... < 1440053521 368094 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the// < 1440053537 934139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I'm not claiming that this is some big secret or whatever < 1440053555 323159 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be decent at this a few years ago... < 1440053581 349107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather transform the data into a form which is easy for people to remember than transform people into a form which is well-suited for memorizing data. < 1440053584 526871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2009 i had a national record for multiple blindfolded rubiks cube solving < 1440053636 327357 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look my memory is so good that i had to check and it was 2010 < 1440053652 361394 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't count) < 1440053710 485830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um, was top 8 in the UK at the Pokémon video game championships in 2011? that's some sort of achievement < 1440053729 581367 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive :P < 1440053762 581542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think doing multiple rubik's cubes blindfolded is more impressive < 1440053779 785397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of memorization and strategy in both, but in Pokémon, what you have to memorize doesn't change much from game to game < 1440053792 716876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than things you've observed the opponent do earlier in the game, and I often forget that…) < 1440053864 659650 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only 5 cubes and it took me 43 *minutes* < 1440053874 91146 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :by today's standards it's crap < 1440054205 449689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least they ended up in the right arrangement? < 1440054214 261195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'd be able to keep track of just the one cube while blindfolded < 1440054240 534759 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not that hard, can you solve it? < 1440054257 398883 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440054275 915372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of < 1440054278 841172 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1440054281 917960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple of situations that I keep forgetting the solutions to < 1440054287 689238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of which is fairly common) < 1440054288 259049 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the t perm? < 1440054295 108371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used to be able to solve it pretty reliably < 1440054308 778426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "t perm" stands for / refers to, it's possible I know the concept but not by that name < 1440054329 630905 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a permutation that swaps two edges and two corners < 1440054362 223327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case I remember seeing it but don't use it < 1440054366 873221 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1440054377 106961 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the notation? < 1440054388 493099 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :RLFBUD? < 1440054391 212057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen multiple notations but they all use much the same language < 1440054397 344667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RLFBUD is one I know, yes < 1440054401 483101 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok great < 1440054416 908895 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the t perm swaps the RU and LU edges, and the RFU and RBU corners < 1440054435 837199 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use that to solve the whole cube < 1440054465 331022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and that's why it took 43 minutes :-) < 1440054469 383864 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1440054474 789173 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no solving is relatively fast < 1440054477 701482 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorization is slow < 1440054520 594874 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.: let's solve an edge 3-cycle < 1440054536 641695 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :BL -> DR -> FU -> BL < 1440054546 230454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just random edges, doesn't matter < 1440054549 75342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you do edges first, corners first, or a bit of both? < 1440054564 333849 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :edges first, eventual parity, corners < 1440054589 734693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rigt < 1440054620 589326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my "current" (as in last time I solved it) approach to parity is "try to solve most of the cube, if the parity is wrong do a sequence to fix it", but that's slow < 1440054636 317747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1440054665 813462 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, to solve that cycle: move BL to UL without messing with UR, URF or URB (this is called a setup move), then tperm, then invert the setup move < 1440054678 53485 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then setup DR to UL, tperm, anti-setup < 1440054687 554027 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then setup FU to UL, tperm, anti-setup < 1440054688 83239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I use setup moves for top corners < 1440054691 347047 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc... < 1440054695 307122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then my technique is from an old guide < 1440054703 544905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does top edges, top corners, middle edges, bottom corners, bottom edges < 1440054718 754768 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a good method for blindfolded solving < 1440054731 670888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1440054733 635737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's parity? < 1440054737 955380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a good method for any other purpose eitehr < 1440054738 62410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like two edges being flipped? < 1440054744 383079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than feeling like you're making progress < 1440054762 161061 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's when you have both an odd permutation in edges and corners < 1440054762 411080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well flipping two edges has patterns that fix it, but it's quite long < 1440054773 541074 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, both edges and corners have an odd permutation < 1440054797 237822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I solved it top corners, top edges, middle edges, bottom corners, bottom edges. < 1440054815 109877 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you need to keep track of the state of the cube < 1440054819 342422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1440054826 313532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not good for blindfolded solving. < 1440054836 771699 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :blindfolded methods do this by solving one or two pieces at a time and leaving the rest as it is < 1440054851 854575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1440054877 286738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To some degree you could use the bottom edge/corner methods for the top edges and corners. < 1440054884 105537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just extra work. < 1440054908 33993 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think most people use the fridrich method... < 1440054925 889090 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the first two layers are built intuitively, then oll and pll with fast algorithms < 1440054953 748262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oll and pll? < 1440054958 194892 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1440054962 285087 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :orientation of last layer < 1440054965 508585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :permutation of last layer < 1440054978 651276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1440055003 700550 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "complete the yellow face" and "complete the yellow layer" < 1440055021 587343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been probably more than ten years since I last thought about this. < 1440055033 887502 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to start again :) < 1440055072 976870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that I liked how you could use the same method that you use for rotating/flipping top corners/edges for the bottom layer, as long as you did it twice, one of them in reverse. < 1440055122 533341 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes that's fun but a bit slow <.< < 1440055347 542330 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-210-253.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440055934 43709 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440056813 276438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "intuitive" has a technical meaning here. < 1440056892 410748 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :all f2l "algorithms" can be derived easily with a little practice < 1440057552 378204 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440058973 434767 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440059469 529027 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440059472 872146 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440060242 578451 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440060570 360187 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i derived mine using GAP (http://www.gap-system.org/) ._. < 1440060600 96164 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can't remember them or find the code < 1440061230 178068 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440061487 943989 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440061651 654909 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440061820 96894 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440062588 105092 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajrhpjklmxwmrako QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1440064425 626826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* 10New user account < 1440065014 965199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably isn't a spambot < 1440065025 188576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of an esoteric transport system < 1440065265 164981 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440066150 923081 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440066429 970755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume all of you have seen ex machina < 1440066436 827089 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you become a billionaire for some reason < 1440066446 603043 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buy this really large house with a huge garden < 1440066459 858163 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not even close to ex machina but that's the idea < 1440066480 689062 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i stop phone companies to provide cell phone coverage on that area? < 1440066512 589275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: well whether you get coverage depends mostly on whether you have line of sight to a cellphone mast < 1440066521 459213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(range also matters but not nearly as much) < 1440066559 801183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess you'd need to figure out which cellphone masts are visible, then find new locations for them that cover the same areas except not your garden < 1440066571 977404 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1440066574 350932 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1440066583 371211 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easier than i thought < 1440066586 181069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then somehow convince the people who own the land where the new locations would be to let you build cellphone masts there < 1440066591 180039 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: afair it was in the mountains, and the property was huge (wasm"we've been flying over his property for a few hours now"?) < 1440066607 57432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wasm/wasn't there a line like... / < 1440066609 110398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could build a big metal wall around your garden to block the signals < 1440066615 921137 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the helycopter guy said something like that < 1440066634 619171 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big metal wall would ruin the view < 1440066685 708770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on whether the view you care about is the entire surrounding countryside, or just your garden < 1440066696 39606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the garden is big enough you wouldn't even really be able to see the wall < 1440066719 185762 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd mean to live in a prison -_- < 1440066731 110711 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large prison is still a prison < 1440066753 165220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, are you keeping yourself in, or the world out < 1440066761 23438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be you who had the keys to any gates in it < 1440066762 923113 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i got it. i could build a wall around everything else < 1440066792 978043 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd laugh about people being caged < 1440066846 227277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that equivalent? < 1440066858 174269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wall's in the same place either way :-) < 1440066883 97044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. Reminds me of Aeon Flux < 1440066886 460000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is physically equivalent but my version is much more satisfying < 1440066901 652759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not people being caged, I'm still on the "big garden" thread) < 1440067230 139308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440067244 9134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440067545 297408 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-126-76.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1440067817 506958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about satellite phone coverage? < 1440067849 943532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to block LOS to the satellite, or disable the satellite somehow < 1440067926 693059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely unrelated, but might be of interest to some: someone told me the SIGGRAPH 2015 proceedings are available for downloading (without any ACM subscription) for a limited time ("maybe a week") at http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2809654&_sm_au_=iVV25TfRTPr0jbK6 < 1440068055 795814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1440068078 48406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's such a weird scale of journal publishers < 1440068103 990730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the way from "outright evil" to "aware they probably shouldn't be that evil but it's a habit right now" to "gives the impression of genuinely trying to do the right thing, just sucks at it" < 1440068259 262832 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a scale from one to Elsevier, where would you put the ACM? < 1440068434 559853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A paper I was involved was just published under SpringerOpen. I don't know where that fits, because it's all open-access, but it's still a part of the Springer conglomerate. < 1440068457 220959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: probably somewhere in the middle < 1440068490 260613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I like the way that we both instinctively identified Elsevier as the most evil end of the scale, even if I didn' t say it) < 1440068494 531408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got an "open access waiver fund" that covers the open access fees for authors in countries "classified by the World Bank as Low-income economies or Lower-middle-income economies as of September 2014, and which have a 2013 gross domestic product of less than 200 billion US dollars". I guess it's a good thing, but it's still a bit arbitrary. < 1440068544 327624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AFAICT the "typical" way for large conglomerates to do open-access is to work out how much people in total are willing to pay to make any given paper open access < 1440068550 326538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then charge that, regardless of the actual cost < 1440068565 946506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard rumours that it's in the thousands of dollars range < 1440068582 683861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was something with four digits for an IEEE journal. < 1440068587 721367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't pay it. < 1440068598 51791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ACM actually called some other journals out for doing this and then charging for the open-access stuff as part of a subscription bundle anyway) < 1440068693 749119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like that SpringerOpen just wants you to apply a CC-Attribution license to your paper instead of signing some custom dozen-page legal thing that does whatever. < 1440068732 930157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't creative commons' entire purpose to come up with correctly legally worded licenses for some specific common special licensing cases? < 1440068752 445842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not taking advantage of that is basically arrogance, you're claiming that you have better lawyers than creative commons < 1440068799 367731 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440068801 910952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the SpringerOpen journal "my" paper is in charges $1105 (or EUR 900, or £705) per article. < 1440068847 871876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's less than I thought but nonetheless ridiculously high < 1440068863 411391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cost of editing and reformatting is nonzero but not that large < 1440068883 377671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cost of proofreading and peer review is effectively zero because they make academics do it for no pay < 1440068916 896948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember there was a movement a while back to boycott publishing in the shadier-business-practice journals; IMO that doesn't make sense, the correct thing to do is to boycott peer review for them as they're basically profiting off your unpaid work) < 1440068981 14180 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always Arxiv... < 1440069053 35092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arxiv is a good solution to some of these problems < 1440069071 145006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG 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:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440075189 958163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440075440 10856 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440075645 107553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440075682 364721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440076027 454051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440076039 88559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440076935 447487 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if arxiv added a comment and rating system, limited to academics, then would we need peer review? < 1440077280 571170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440077313 535902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you'd still need to encourage people to review, I think < 1440077325 554052 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440077326 265581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that would sort-of miss the reality of how conferences work (but maybe not journals) < 1440077708 79524 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440077834 687200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 999 < 1440077840 91967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 999: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1440077952 518486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440078035 36533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440078169 332276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440078211 902943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440078533 375861 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440078970 373271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1440079555 925255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440080730 90605 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping 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:pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440099033 360430 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440099342 711676 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cbtxwsgfrtutzagg JOIN :#esoteric < 1440099864 599092 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gmbmbzqbqwrxkwju QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440099956 330633 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-djviwmjusqitdwij JOIN :#esoteric < 1440100251 247325 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440100427 474176 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.64.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440101748 442030 :Loraenil!~Loraenil@37.0.123.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440101825 426614 :Loraenil!~Loraenil@37.0.123.134 QUIT :Client Quit < 1440102749 371879 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440103585 956252 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily ah, the mother modem, that is swedish and hilariously wrong < 1440103586 46627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440104725 221734 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440104882 449464 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.64.77 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1440105067 868345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Undergroundmonorail14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43832 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+127) 10Created page with "I'm undergroundmonorail and I'm deeply disturbed by the fact that I can't get rid of the uppercase U in the title of this page." < 1440105098 196069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1440105125 848103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Undergroundmonorail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43833&oldid=43832 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+7) 10clarity < 1440105208 889766 :TieSoul_!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:a8de:b725:78dd:9501 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440105430 948357 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440105784 286599 :TieSoul_!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:a8de:b725:78dd:9501 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440105793 235150 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440106226 883666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Apparently it's a kind of a Thing in Swedish computery forums. < 1440106356 642785 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440106723 920056 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440106906 159715 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440106919 636005 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440107021 969451 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440107375 646494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440107522 427266 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440107764 829027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Undergroundmonorail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43834&oldid=43833 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+14) 10EMERGENCY LIFESAVING USERPAGE EDIT < 1440111472 181447 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440112867 651284 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440112901 915548 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440113912 313899 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440116568 974071 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1440116611 643819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :top of the night to you! < 1440116621 530691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1440116642 253871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shocking prediction: hel's vote will be in the direction of a tie hth < 1440116650 960499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1440116668 256307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _would_ be rather useless to show up otherwise < 1440116681 37820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stories have so much selection bias :'( < 1440116690 228255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my far out prediction obviously failed < 1440116715 476360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we may wonder what happens with a tie. < 1440116737 720673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given they were an odd number without Hel, it's probably not common. < 1440116770 430652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the twelve gods run into that more frequently < 1440116781 32252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thought: we haven't seen belkar's body, which means by ancient trope we cannot assume he's dead yet. < 1440116786 754100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tru dat < 1440116820 256975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he shows up in the next comic to get blasted into atoms < 1440116834 322918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thaums < 1440116861 77655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there are atoms, given redcloak's chemisty knowledge < 1440116914 614380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots _does_ have pretty explicit narrative causality < 1440116937 992655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "selection bias" is not unexpected < 1440117068 142866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: interestingly, they might have been in better shape if they _hadn't_ given veldrina a lift < 1440117094 451124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the western p. voted yes < 1440117129 333979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an astute p. < 1440117158 634783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although narrative causality would probably have messed up any attempt to make her get too late < 1440117195 357791 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440117201 576305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1440117201 818776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 210000Z 15013KT 15SM BKN085 BKN150 28/19 A2983 RMK AC6AC1 SLP100 DENSITY ALT 1700FT < 1440117202 575104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my far out prediction btw was that hel _wanted_ a no result and would swing it that way < 1440117221 253938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it had a better chance of _total_ disaster < 1440117241 986731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does chemistry work in olistworld anyway twh < 1440117261 705908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well you have titanium elementals... < 1440117282 722578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :296 refers to an ideal gas < 1440117290 63187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that's in the same spirit as "nuking from orbit" < 1440117296 105838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's no orbit in oland? < 1440117298 860639 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chlorine elementals < 1440117299 822957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Grocery List14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43835&oldid=37037 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+201) 10add interpreter < 1440117336 649519 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love implementing boring languages < 1440117341 127597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm not sure it's established the world is actually flat < 1440117394 168155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact wasn't it shown as round in some of the snarl story < 1440117429 673757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1440117430 20325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html < 1440117452 627011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1440117456 358127 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay my laptop is on the way < 1440117458 32194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the world within the world was also round < 1440117571 312970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the comment there about the snarl not grasping the plan could point to destroying the world again maybe being more dangerous if it's got smarter... < 1440117590 993445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that line is parseable by humans < 1440117626 526696 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. speaking in tongues? harbouring the Spirit of Fungot? < 1440117632 925589 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1440117633 27767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner said 3h 54m 6s ago: ah, the mother modem, that is swedish and hilariously wrong < 1440117650 753113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually the comment there, about the snarl not grasping the plan, could mean that destroying the world _again_ could be more dangerous, if it's got smarter... < 1440117775 653486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440117856 345000 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Old Chinese Proverb says, "oic". < 1440118269 192856 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nic.vodka/ < 1440118547 958630 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zzgpsezclzjabfku JOIN :#esoteric < 1440118646 301885 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440118836 708903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izbellora. < 1440118848 349220 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are vodka TLDs now? < 1440118852 932073 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1440118870 309235 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I always manage to typo your porthello some way or another. sorry. < 1440118899 594699 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine boillory < 1440119515 562632 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CROCODILE CHICKEN < 1440119527 402697 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizabera! < 1440119635 296636 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440119666 452335 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440119726 860320 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:a832:e1dd:8afe:8540 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440119760 195587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Sclipting14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43836 5* 03218.102.194.114 5* (+40) 10Created page with "==Issues== What about Kana and Bopomofo?" < 1440119769 918519 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, my new credit card is going to be black. who decides whcih colors are better anyway < 1440119809 57070 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make credit cards in FF00FF < 1440119959 310751 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or transparent! yah. they should make semitransparent purple credit cards like the GBA < 1440120453 608611 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this piece of assembly do? test cl, cl jne label < 1440120516 865427 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it ever jump? < 1440120893 450846 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge of the night: write a program that takes two strings and outputs a brainfuck program that replaces str1 with str2 < 1440121349 174983 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jne means jump if ZF is 0 < 1440121375 355550 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test sets ZF to 1 iff the two argumnets ANDed is 0 < 1440121398 18825 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence this would jump iff cl is zero < 1440121407 591517 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1440121407 797376 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/isn't/ < 1440121411 728917 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1440121427 874979 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, i didn't know the and part < 1440122651 971126 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/lu9wz7i.png < 1440122656 505701 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i stop this < 1440122657 843179 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :politely < 1440122737 160776 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop watching mietek? < 1440122763 683890 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that polite? < 1440122789 567204 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will he think? x.x < 1440123677 207519 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1440123703 659740 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440124028 950956 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440124045 178289 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440124589 322148 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440124593 555422 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1440124939 140678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some webpage that tries to analyze your writing style and tell you what author you are writing like but it isn't very consistent and keep telling different answer. How would you classify my writing styles though? < 1440124966 427134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I pasted in several chapters from level20.tex and got many different answers.) < 1440124991 783772 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :same input same output, at least? < 1440125093 282729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if the same input is given several times, it does give the same output each time too. < 1440125128 9591 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a native english speaker? < 1440125158 979293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it is Canadian English < 1440126362 654255 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: lots of your sentences are subtly ungrammatical, so your writing style is very recognizable to me. < 1440126503 397170 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, in that line of yours, i think most english speakers would write: "tell you" -> "tells you", "keep telling different answer" -> "keeps telling different answers"; and consider your versions incorrect < 1440126717 549327 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed that zzo38 was a second-generation immigrant, e.g. taught english by non-native speakers < 1440126893 446513 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is mine? < 1440126948 782666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I was born in British Columbia and lived here all of my lifetime so far (although I have occasionally been to a few other places). Apparently they spoke to me in other languages too but now I forgot, and I speak and write English instead. < 1440127043 303038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think zzo38's grammar was wrong in that line; the "tries to" can scope over all the verbs, which means they can be infinitives < 1440127072 688807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1440127087 643312 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, either way "*different answer" needs either an article or a plural though < 1440127088 279113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "tell" works, but not the "keep" < 1440127097 313721 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the "tell" does work! < 1440127123 769435 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but your parents are from another country correct? You have a "residual accent". < 1440127181 619361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grandparents are from other countries < 1440127348 525465 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I haven't heard of an accent goig down three generations before. interesting < 1440127476 849127 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tend to skip plurals and verb agreement basically < 1440127486 227664 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think zzo38's manner of writing is an ESL-related thing! < 1440127521 573696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to assume too much < 1440127599 755835 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends' parents are from russia and because of that he has verb agreement and plurals, but he never puts in any articles when he talks < 1440127658 541292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i've seen some evidence that zzo38's writing used to be a _lot_ weirder, years ago (before he came to this channel) < 1440127680 18137 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically zzo38 has a residue from a language with articles (or at least a similar distinction), but no verb agreement or plural? < 1440127727 85371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his spelling used to be weird too, not any more < 1440127861 300150 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you remember why you used to spell the way you did? < 1440127920 345268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I don't know. But what I do know is that much of that stuff (whether or not it is spelled properly) is full of imposters or confusing someone with someone else, but not all of it is (some is authentic) and I do not know why; sorry. < 1440127961 434337 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i always wondered if it was in error, or if you were advocating some kind of phonetic spelling of English < 1440127991 507656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sorry I just do not know! Although it is true that English has not very good spelling compared to other languages < 1440128002 841798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have read my level20.tex and other stuff then how would it be called as the writing style I write with, compare to other author's writing, etc? < 1440128121 245620 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you render the current level20.tex to pdf and upload it somewhere? i don't have a TeX renderer on hand, and reading raw .tex code is confusing sometimes :( < 1440128233 375481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could; I think this computer has dvi to pdf converter (it comes with TeX), so I will just put it in the same directory as the .tex and .dvi files I suppose. < 1440128379 167704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have done that < 1440128409 440584 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! can you link the file? < 1440128493 755519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex the .dvi and .pdf are also in the same directory (if you want the source files, you also need dungeonsrecording.tex in the same directory) < 1440128620 630029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is also level20.trope in the same directory, although it may not be very good; it and the corresponding All The Tropes article could both be improved; actually level20.tex itself could even be improved too) < 1440128650 760010 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't help but wonder how to pronounce Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe < 1440128769 629677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, but I tried anyways and can do nearly approximately. (Note that this is mentioned in the tropes article/RDF too) < 1440129249 861446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1440129488 607958 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:a832:e1dd:8afe:8540 PART :#esoteric < 1440131068 363950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440131586 241230 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440131604 854182 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440132847 855955 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440133223 445553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make blinking text with CSS animations? And then I could add a global CSS rule to fix the command? < 1440133743 831784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This architecture has a 16-bit A (used for memory addresses and loading constants) register. The instruction set allows for setting A directly with 15-bit numbers (16-bit instruction set, MSB=0 means put the rest of the instruction into A), and memory chips in this have 14-bit addresses (I think) < 1440133851 652478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't actually assembled CPU so maybe they'll surprise me and use two RAM16Ks, but it would have been easier to build a RAM32K (which I'm not being asked to do) < 1440133974 425494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What instruction set is that? < 1440134089 990312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hack CPU defined by The Elements of Computing Systems, http://nand2tetris.org/chapters/chapter%2004.pdf < 1440134106 85539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start reading from 4.2.2 < 1440134123 597049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :page 8 of the PDF < 1440134528 646726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh probably for memory-mapped IO < 1440135420 419001 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440135519 644895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440136197 78064 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440137001 944552 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440138333 44599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Soap is the main ingredient for the iridiscent visions that internet startups sell to investors. < 1440138354 430725 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440138368 323464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's cheap. see also: bubble -- but I have no good definition for the latter yet) < 1440138473 620020 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi int-e < 1440138499 251008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i s/iridiscent/iridescent/ wisdom/soap # *sigh* < 1440138540 268273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1440138551 634731 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440138553 149883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is online, but not here... < 1440138556 704915 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1440138574 83655 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get em to join or do you not have the perm < 1440138760 192984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440138763 690339 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys know how often oerjan is around? < 1440138800 91874 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been on in awhile so id say for myself he's on pretTy regularly < 1440138808 981981 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he died then in which case rip < 1440138825 36153 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok thanks < 1440138835 106010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day, but he has a fairly unpredictable sleep schedule. < 1440138845 841626 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we all? < 1440138860 485341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was there 3 hours ago < 1440138863 856410 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fixin mine up < 1440138892 860259 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 hrs ago? is he a bat? < 1440138905 873597 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's an esoteric meme < 1440138913 108079 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think he'd be on later < 1440138920 244093 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write "unpredictable sleep schedule" for a reason. < 1440138921 380641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440138976 744342 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, it's just i live a time zone hour before him and being up at that time. not that i should be talking tho < 1440139017 475497 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mastering the 20 minute nap would be convenient however < 1440139088 15161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I used to follow an approximate 26 hour rhythm when I was a student... < 1440139129 455740 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: afaik it is horrible if you delay one sleep time for even 15 minutes < 1440139177 214228 :Flonk!c274f362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.116.243.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried uberman for a month < 1440139178 654871 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much what i do now and i don't seem to be able to get rid of it. it's like i'm pavloved into a noncircadian rhythm. how did you get out of it? < 1440139181 430862 :Flonk!c274f362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.116.243.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was horrible < 1440139196 234088 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yeah you wake up feeling all mushy < 1440139244 49718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: external pressure (i.e., a job). < 1440139305 708058 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in time then! maybe it's just me but i do find it somewhat a challenge even applying for jobs when you're not following a 24hr schedule < 1440140938 884584 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440142292 926427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the command in the new version of Firefox by writing the userContent.css file to fix it. < 1440142359 87760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blink { animation: __blink 1s infinite; } @keyframes __blink { from {} 50% {visibility: hidden;} to {visibility: hidden;} } < 1440142606 627657 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u do dis ;-; < 1440142657 93085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by fixed you meant disabled? < 1440142700 136561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "text-decoration: blink" still doesn't work. How do you make CSS selectors to select based on the styles that have been applied to an element? < 1440142744 301848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I mean I fixed it so that the text will blink if inside of ... < 1440142754 279677 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1440142815 749646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who want to use also can easily customize the blinking speed, currently it is set to 1 second < 1440143278 96225 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440143310 583988 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-djviwmjusqitdwij QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440143359 435733 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-catovpwjoiweqdka JOIN :#esoteric < 1440143756 944798 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1440144532 898561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1440146086 388919 :Patashu!~Patashu@27.253.115.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440147395 748901 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440147395 953847 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440147396 159429 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 NICK :AnotherTest < 1440147655 888974 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440147914 971399 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440148465 94059 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440149643 303021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pada14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43837&oldid=17354 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (-225) 10Minor language change after email conversation with the original author. Commands will no longer be pipelined through the system but processed one at a time. < 1440149835 893228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pada14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43838&oldid=43837 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (-26) 10 < 1440149986 572566 :Patashu!~Patashu@27.253.115.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440150022 551223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440150329 103696 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1440150370 640146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440150386 90487 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440152753 733284 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440155829 197169 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello! the soap is documented and online. < 1440156113 479969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ATTUNED CHICKEN < 1440157951 91253 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440158066 987606 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440158873 857202 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1440159005 768821 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440159316 131513 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440160761 237877 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ixlsfqlkzqmbyvoo QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440160761 292165 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440160808 309749 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dkpkwnkylxsqgvpz JOIN :#esoteric < 1440161368 556569 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440161781 877544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Rainbow-pb.png10]]": An example input/output of rainbow.pb. < 1440162014 9397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pb14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43840 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+5928) 10page created < 1440162210 498793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43841&oldid=43828 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+9) 10added pb < 1440162857 283919 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1440163101 458523 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440163811 91712 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440163894 857158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pada14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43842&oldid=43838 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+125) 10 < 1440164860 753745 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1440164860 846807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1440165080 739015 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440166251 608458 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440166309 349391 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440166662 490781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440167016 228903 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440167066 328732 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440167071 306083 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1440167103 115918 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Changing host < 1440167103 170205 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1440168221 33531 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440168769 647096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440169872 328939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION snores in stalem's general direction < 1440169903 5758 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION borks back at oerjan < 1440169927 587785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: i'm a little unsure exactly how you define quine < 1440169930 567034 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme just do the dishes and i'll be back in 10 < 1440170047 813477 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440170071 917040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you mean never changes from step to step? < 1440170077 104898 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1440170083 430011 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to write it :P < 1440170093 208838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm then the TC objection doesn't hold < 1440170106 940936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was more for, "returns back to the same eventually" < 1440170125 810739 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that much i know it does, but iirc they were called oscillators < 1440170144 728771 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho that would be a program that generates a program that eventually generates the original program (a cool idea btw) < 1440170183 88096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterated quines are a thing < 1440170219 522625 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. well in any case i meant a sequence that doesn't change from step to step. an unmodified yet modified sequence < 1440170276 486898 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by iterated quines, do you mean code that generates sources in other languages which eventually comes back or does just using one language count? < 1440170294 520658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one language counts, although polyglots are cooler... < 1440170335 624048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43843&oldid=43785 5* 03Stalem 5* (+19) 10clarification < 1440170486 400272 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say i agree. by any chance would you mind taking a look at my thoughts on the 2 2 ... 2 sequences? < 1440170488 233482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n s=var$s++show(succ n`mod`3)++show s in f"let f n s=var$s++show(succ n`mod`3)++show s in f"0 < 1440170490 154991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Integral [Char]) arising from a use of ‘f’ < 1440170490 209289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: < 1440170490 209336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : f "let f n s=var$s++show(succ n`mod`3)++show s in f" 0 < 1440170493 94084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1440170501 889561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong order < 1440170570 451850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f s n=var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3) in f"let f s n=var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3) in f"0 < 1440170572 278247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : let f s n=var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3) in f"let f s n=var$s++show s++sh... < 1440170579 386878 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1440170584 706783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on lambdabot < 1440170622 527028 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll leave you two to it while i fetch some food :P < 1440170660 494373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i cannot use lambda because string escape < 1440170668 949991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1440170695 133253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3))"(\\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3))"0 < 1440170697 98575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3))"(\\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n... < 1440170733 986280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lambdabot is far too succinct these days < 1440170940 722053 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :owell, i think i got your point anyway :P < 1440171088 890757 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1440171719 527025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43844&oldid=43843 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-187) 10The rest of this section has been treating the all-twos period 1 oscillator as a known and obvious fact. < 1440171890 794968 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1440171904 825892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1440171911 772555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell stalem aww < 1440171911 826954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440171985 863574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: harsh man < 1440172029 691067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43845&oldid=43844 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+135) 10 < 1440172089 932296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just read the proof and it actually proves these are the only period 1 oscillators. Which is interesting. i'm leaving the link., < 1440172101 851744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell stalem the interesting part is that those are the only ones < 1440172101 905926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440172397 494384 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-076-099-076.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1440172405 453686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure skipping the 0 \/ part is _quite_ that easy to justify < 1440172412 761646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably right, anyway < 1440172550 561948 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-012-181.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440172955 472499 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440173079 93327 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440173117 847787 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440173167 822125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43846&oldid=43845 5* 03Stalem 5* (-97) 10dead link < 1440173220 734127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Stalem in absentia for overreacting -----### < 1440174195 668444 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :krauris < 1440174806 86596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pada14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43847&oldid=43842 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+5) 10Add newline to Hello World < 1440176302 911276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Etc. < 1440179221 490664 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440179239 676057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440179953 618480 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440179960 306943 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1440180011 485214 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1440180074 556988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, what do you want please? < 1440180095 536318 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to check the channel < 1440180107 941453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1440180134 29709 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i lied < 1440180151 425251 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have idea of esoteric programming language < 1440180157 786240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What idea is it? < 1440180209 9495 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have only one symbol, count symbols, convert from unary to binary and do something like chicken < 1440180218 242302 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i saw this page um wait < 1440180227 892514 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC < 1440180251 359324 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was unclear for me and i dont know if its the same or not < 1440180298 786346 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you < 1440180310 2734 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me if you know < 1440180376 796090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is not the same < 1440180392 551042 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1440180406 539475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC is a instruction set with one instruction (usually with one or more operands), but what you describe is different < 1440180462 491636 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, so i will try to write what i described < 1440181164 906341 :lunadelsiglo!~luna@52.Red-88-9-231.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440181167 530291 :lunadelsiglo!~luna@52.Red-88-9-231.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1440181366 391079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Typical Username 5* 10New user account < 1440181421 353143 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made this account < 1440181457 871908 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent stealing my probably not that awesome idea < 1440181461 423578 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not write a clone of Unary. Or Ook. Or AAAAAAA!!! or whatever. Make yours stand out somehow. < 1440181523 404340 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to check what is unary < 1440181617 415251 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooo, its i as i guessed before before < 1440181720 322210 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone invented my idea before < 1440181728 95725 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440181764 967173 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks @quintopia , at least i didnt not waste my time < 1440181833 597149 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1440181959 17322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hang around < 1440181970 344831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend some time wiki walking < 1440181982 875376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything has been done before < 1440182050 384298 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really did < 1440182212 468936 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything has been done before but most of the things that i can and want have < 1440182283 331220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you look at the list of ideas? none of them interest you? < 1440182296 6855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people < 1440182310 539217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a good programmer at all? < 1440182965 62897 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not good programmer < 1440182974 78509 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you tell me where i can find this list? < 1440183144 65125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a link on the wiki's front page < 1440183323 538344 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i found it, thanks < 1440183870 682241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Undergroundmonorail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43848&oldid=43834 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+63) 10 < 1440183938 14299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pb14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43849&oldid=43840 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+14) 10lowercase title < 1440184363 247884 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440184450 686547 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1440186541 994843 :Flonk!c274f362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.116.243.98 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1440187077 507897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440188563 824725 :krauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1440188904 259179 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-076-099-076.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1440188914 468998 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1440188924 702342 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440189215 425561 :carado!~carado@2001:41d0:d:9ef::1:62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440189216 933697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make a break signal with xterm? < 1440189218 631512 :carado!~carado@2001:41d0:d:9ef::1:62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings ! < 1440189240 91109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440189268 455500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not convinced that a pseudoterminal, which is how xterm implements its terminal, has a break signal < 1440189279 68929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ioctl says that it only works on a serial terminal < 1440189296 25321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, by default the terminal settings are set up so that a break sends SIGINT and control-C also sends SIGINT < 1440189310 63675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the terminal configuration is at its default, pressing control-C will do the same thing as a break < 1440189425 987435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using a program that I have to change it though < 1440189919 581556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Pb14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43850 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+328) 10/* Visibility as it's running. */ new section < 1440190007 726260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I fixed my program now < 1440190028 131365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still why it shouldn't be allow with pseudoterminals? < 1440190093 916718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's because a break is basically the name for mis-encoded data on a serial wire < 1440190104 889777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so according to the ioctl docs, it only works on serial terminals < 1440190121 199244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work on the ctrl-alt-f1 terminal or pseudoterminals, because those aren't using serial communications internally, and so can't have misencoded data < 1440190563 465413 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440190610 320970 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440191091 525286 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1440191133 667389 :Typical!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440191156 170555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to me that all features of Z-machine other than sounds and joystick can be implemented using xterm and termios functions; even some of the functions of xterm would help much with it; but many of these are newer features of xterm than had existed in Infocom's times (did xterm even exist at all in their time?) < 1440191528 891971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm: "Initial release: 1984; 31 years ago"; Infocom: "Founded: MIT (June 22, 1979); Defunct: May 5, 1989". < 1440191533 614770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some overlap there. < 1440192057 648105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Pb14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43851&oldid=43850 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+347) 10 < 1440192929 887943 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-076.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1440193472 357060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Pb14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43852&oldid=43851 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+313) 10 < 1440193605 28542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Pb14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43853&oldid=43852 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+0) 10 < 1440194367 148862 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1440195188 537417 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zzgpsezclzjabfku QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1440195769 14598 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440196469 293040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pb14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43854&oldid=43849 5* 03Undergroundmonorail 5* (+6) 10formatting < 1440196600 722026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440197872 89049 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440198034 680133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boihly < 1440198047 591500 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bœrjansoir! < 1440198116 61501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1440198120 513827 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf! < 1440198124 178789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when's the new olist coming out < 1440198131 331037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new olist? < 1440198145 585534 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the list itself is changing? < 1440198182 955202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you get 999 twh < 1440198237 778616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get? < 1440198240 800691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper([ "" =~ /()|()/g ]);' # it makes perfect sense, but somehow I wasn't expecting it < 1440198250 213831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :become aware of < 1440198268 952955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1440198277 719300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: annoying, isn't it? < 1440198280 80823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1440198303 756435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you forgotten my shocking prediction < 1440198313 335466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1440198321 330972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the tie < 1440198325 403397 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. what does that perl do? < 1440198373 311204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what you need to do is implement a command so anyone can make HackEgo rejoin twh < 1440198390 833077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440198407 201481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you need to do is implement a command so anyone can run arbitrary code as root on the machine HackEgo is running on twh < 1440198421 929464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper([ "" =~ /()|()/g ]);' < 1440198425 318240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$VAR1 = [ \ '', \ undef \ ]; < 1440198439 243481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it couldn't be anything else. But I still somehow expected both to be ''. < 1440198441 763235 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1440198475 759458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough Perl to know the meaning here. < 1440198510 485733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more shocking prediction: the tie causes all the gods to start fighting, creating a new rift that swallows belkar hth < 1440198614 463137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most shocking prediction: rich burlew ends oots next strip. < 1440198629 374986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T EXPECT IT" < 1440198666 913005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I GOT THE IDEA FROM MY FRIEND TAILSTEAK" < 1440198680 716456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's just saying that matching ()|() to an empty string and then asking for the captured groups gives an empty string for the first group, and an undef for the second. < 1440198707 209240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: DANGER < 1440198708 945361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rlv.zcache.co.uk/svc/view?design=a9643add-8fab-453e-b62d-7a38397bd220&max_dim=512 < 1440198742 326748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's clearly the kind of tie being gone for here < 1440198793 711305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so that's like matchin "a" with /^(a)|(a)$/ ? < 1440198795 565103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1440198813 672291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it only surprising with empty strings? < 1440198865 362152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/!\ DANGER 4/!\ < 1440198905 847443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, we already got a happy ending < 1440198924 743663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so at this point olist is superfluous < 1440198944 954780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes two of the webcomics he follows are drawn by richs < 1440198947 155254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not merely fluous like it was before 887 < 1440198968 964930 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1440198978 772510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are there any oracle predictions not fulfilled yet... < 1440198998 352404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but how many of them got >$1e7 for their comics < 1440199016 584755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, 1e6 < 1440199016 639191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1440199031 426908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY AT MOST ONE < 1440199100 355074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It only surprised me with empty strings, because I was expecting the unmatched groups to return empty strings. < 1440199521 300745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the place they're in now count as durkon's dwarven homelands? if not, that part hasn't been fulfilled. < 1440199541 655685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's posthumous, but in the wrong place. < 1440199694 710795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was also that other prophecy < 1440199733 565275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the one about belkar < 1440199743 896880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't been fulfilled on-camera yet < 1440199752 296958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elan's happy ending cannot happen until the end, by definition < 1440199765 521530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We've already had a happy ending. < 1440199775 644592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think that one counts < 1440199786 992392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's titled "Happy Ending" < 1440199798 956942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was talking about the prophecy where Durkon "would bring death and destruction upon his people" < 1440199802 684940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that one definitely doesn't count, because (spoilers) it didn't actually happen < 1440199814 352164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that one wasn't an oracle prophecy < 1440199818 592601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It happened from Elan's perspective. < 1440199832 435650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it didn't, in fact Elan realised it wasn't real < 1440199833 966517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, right, oerjan did specify "oracle". < 1440199841 636345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vioz-14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43855 5* 03Vioz- 5* (+111) 10Created page with "I'm a guy who enjoys code golfing. [http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/38417/vioz Here's my PPCG profile]." < 1440199849 825318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this comic strip is real. < 1440199856 174850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't canon, then < 1440199867 218248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. wasn't real from an in-story perspective < 1440199891 500895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was real from the perspective of Elan. Later he realized that it wasn't "real" from outside the phantasm, but he still experienced it. < 1440199902 650287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He got everything he wanted. < 1440199930 385968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really buy the whole "real" and "not real" business. < 1440200003 42745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smullyan talks about this in one of his books. I think _5000 B.C._ < 1440202926 926089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43856 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+704) 10Created page with "'''Loader''' is an upcoming esolang by SuperJedi224, where recursive module loading is the principal mode of recursion and iteration. A load statement loads a module on a cop..." < 1440203365 964818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43857&oldid=43856 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-24) 10 < 1440203913 438058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43858&oldid=43857 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+346) 10 < 1440203934 342141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43859&oldid=43858 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-36) 10 < 1440204128 98370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43860&oldid=43859 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+16) 10 < 1440204234 559847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43861&oldid=43860 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+62) 10 < 1440204323 715544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have time enough to drag you down to meet Nergal with me!!" < 1440204375 476084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that malack clearly expected to go to some afterlife. which means he didn't simply stop existing entirely. < 1440204380 477673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43862&oldid=43861 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10/* Count down from 10 */ < 1440204450 549412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43863&oldid=43862 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+121) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1440204466 567352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to another shocking prediction: he might show up to help durkon one last time. < 1440204524 87238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43864&oldid=43863 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-127) 10 < 1440204747 627956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The caps lock and num lock light on my computer is broken; how can I make it to display on the screen instead? < 1440204793 367041 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. what kind of OS/WM/DE/GUI are you using? < 1440204795 370573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the program "xkbvleds" but I want to put in the status bar where it is displayed the time and system load < 1440204838 819805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using OEM Ubuntu Linux, with i3-wm, a custom status bar program, and no desktop environment. < 1440204940 149032 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the sort of custom status bar program you can pipe in stuff from scripts. < 1440205007 101457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is; I wrote the C program to output the JSON data which i3 uses to display the status bar. < 1440205401 401153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can I put the keyboard status display on there? < 1440205643 700047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode UPWARDS WHITE ARROW FROM BAR WITH HORIZONTAL BAR < 1440205656 549761 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1440205658 155313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440205664 964977 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles HackEgo < 1440205729 942597 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+21EC < 1440205730 780171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⇬ < 1440205733 551126 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1440205738 813817 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+21ED < 1440205739 689208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⇭ < 1440205754 134261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: something like that, or am I completely misunderstanding your problem? < 1440205783 604953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean how to put it on there. I can use ASCII characters just fine, I mean how to make it even display it there! < 1440205831 425893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43865&oldid=43864 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-138) 10/* "Hello, World!" */ < 1440205972 333911 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 'xset q' that you can grep for caps/num/scroll lock status? < 1440205998 590094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like there's some vital information he's not grasping at all < 1440206201 404598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope to do it without making it to execute other programs, because I want to do it per second, or preferably, when the key is pushed only. < 1440206258 542231 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightbulb! < 1440206333 279071 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/8429021 ? < 1440206817 816140 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440206892 181571 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please try joining #edtoast .I would greatly appreciate it < 1440206894 13027 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1440207027 695299 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CROISSANT CHICKEN < 1440207123 489032 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440207925 685840 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1440207985 450269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440207986 957569 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440208044 901983 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1440208331 850776 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440208386 666795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edtoast_46: i hope you're not advertising that everywhere or your channel may soon be ... you know what. < 1440208423 841664 :Leo1!~debian@189.217.81.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440208443 431796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's that swatter when you need it twh < 1440208455 542625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN A SAFE PLACE < 1440208500 980649 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:2885:573f:6479:40f5 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1440208523 903664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're around. is e spamming generally? < 1440208539 909630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm less around than I used to be. < 1440208548 474155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't seen them elsewhere. < 1440208553 214828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1440209487 801905 :Leo1!~debian@189.217.81.13 PART :#esoteric < 1440209668 206845 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1440209917 13181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a simple kind of virtual machine and this is one example code that can be used with it: http://sprunge.us/SSbY < 1440211395 630110 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any valid regex that has no possible match? < 1440211417 655584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: depends on what regex operators you allow < 1440211451 477398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to say no if you're restricted to the usual set, because you can recursively build up a string that matches via taking the first possible option with each operator < 1440211460 114564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in various sorts of extended regexes it's easy < 1440211474 660139 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's start with the basics < 1440211477 962322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you have lookahead or lookbehind you can easily place two contradictory assertions on the same character < 1440211480 625015 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a|b) x* x+ x? x{a,b} < 1440211490 875399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all such regexes have a match < 1440211498 339547 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1440211506 230928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace all x* and x? with the null string, x+ with x, x{a,b} with a copies of x, and (a|b) with a < 1440211516 126232 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1440211536 862364 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is $^ a valid regex? < 1440211551 406261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the regex parser, I think < 1440211569 665753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many would allow "a^" with no matches < 1440211589 403058 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1440211764 474489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish regular expressions supported intersection and complement. < 1440211869 952731 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your shell supports extended globs, they're a different flavour of regular expressions < 1440211928 801370 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(a|b) not a nor b @(a|b) a or b +(a) 1 or more a *(a) zero or more a ?(a) zero or one a < 1440211961 213954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the complement of /ab/ expressed as a regex? < 1440211971 804984 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(ab) < 1440211993 460707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not regex syntax. < 1440212004 356871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry i misunderstood the question < 1440212021 30712 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no complement of /ab/ in the classic regex < 1440212028 285924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there is. < 1440212030 493538 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that lookahead thing < 1440212034 432700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just awkward to write it. < 1440212047 423808 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(?:ab)*$ something like this < 1440212065 63145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not fancy Perl regex. < 1440212076 682996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I shouldn't say "sure". I think there most likely is. < 1440212078 708394 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no complement in BRE or ERE < 1440212089 756838 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/([^ab]|a[^b]|b)+/ < 1440212090 314231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no operator, but you can manually compute the complement. < 1440212105 359785 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't count -_- < 1440212105 873829 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, or maybe < 1440212108 463929 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/([^ab]|a[^b]|b)*/ < 1440212121 366531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you're allowing [^] < 1440212127 787341 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually simpler < 1440212130 632681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do a character class containing every single character < 1440212132 326740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and negate it < 1440212134 255223 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/([^a]|a[^b])*/ < 1440212140 177818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^] doesn't give you anything, does it? < 1440212142 311795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^\x0-\x{10ffff}] < 1440212157 259946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're still talking about that. Yes. < 1440212161 436478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perl syntax, other regexes use slightly different escape syntaxes) < 1440212167 82296 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: doesn't match bla < 1440212170 338124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about /[]/ -- is that valid? < 1440212176 923595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is talking about the previous question. < 1440212186 695856 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/([^a]|a[^b])*a?/ < 1440212202 559579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of negating regexes, I believe it's always possible but often blows them up exponentially < 1440212218 592870 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1440212221 755658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: convert regex to state machine; negate state machine (via swapping the success and failure states); convert state machine to regex < 1440212221 809972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might even be double-exponential. < 1440212229 7636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1440212248 24921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe just exponential. Not sure. < 1440212290 382153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is just exponential < 1440212304 571651 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the most basic case is /abcdef/ in which you have < 1440212321 673398 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^abcdef]|a[^bcdef].... < 1440212337 73583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets way harder if the regex isn't anchored < 1440212350 633117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try negating .*abc.* < 1440212368 37100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this came up in #esoteric a few months/years ago, there were tons of attempts at it and they were nearly all wrong) < 1440212374 991997 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the same as /abc/ in terms of what matches? < 1440212389 574018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1440212394 799242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just making the lack of anchors clearer < 1440212452 904164 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to write a regex match function that didn't build a state machine < 1440212469 861204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backtracking is easier to write than the state machine version < 1440212474 461328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less efficient worst-case < 1440212487 834760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My regular expression was a full match. < 1440212493 485974 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no data structure at all < 1440212498 454657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That depends on the worst case. < 1440212516 308967 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it simply went character by character through the two strings < 1440212524 111648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which method is more efficient average-case < 1440212531 584298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: how does it handle regexes like aab|aac? < 1440212535 657368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backtracking can handle things like (([ab]{99}){99}){99} better, someone mentioned. < 1440212553 269928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Well, that's the same as the state machine approach. < 1440212560 108790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you have multiple "cursors" in the regex. < 1440212568 122805 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no only one < 1440212571 183969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you split when you see | and so on. < 1440212580 922748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then it sounds like backtracking. :-) < 1440212604 253443 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah except way more inefficient than most implementations < 1440212606 169909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like "backtracking vs. NFA" is a continuüm, not a choice of one of the other. < 1440212646 828923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, correctly used diaeresis < 1440212723 168105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NFA approach to regular expressions is like dynamic programming. You have a graph that you walk one step in each time you see a character, but when two paths through the graph reach the same node, you collapse them. < 1440212749 997260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The backtracking approach keeps the full path, which means you can use backreferences and so on. < 1440212851 561752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe you can keep some amount of state associated with a node, but still not have it be the full path used to reach that node. < 1440212906 518272 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : try negating .*abc.* <-- your approach (convert to state machine, negate, convert back) would work fine, wouldn't it? < 1440212922 510832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yes, but it's really hard to do in your head < 1440212934 270392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not claiming it's impossible (it's definitely possible) < 1440212944 136916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that nearly all the attempts at it in practice get it wrong < 1440212946 417117 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure < 1440212961 474323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I eventually came up with a correct solution, but after something like ten failures < 1440212980 645624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think regexes that support intersection and complement need an double-exponential number of states. < 1440212997 636934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to just exponential, for regregexes. < 1440213013 505676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DFA states, I mean.) < 1440213043 908931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be so useful that I'm annoyed that there are hardly any implementations around. < 1440213058 527471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: regex inversion, or regex-to-DFA? < 1440213083 511553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex-to-DFA < 1440213088 770737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if anyone's build a regex impl using yacc < 1440213095 342506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexes are a special case of context-free grammars, after all < 1440213097 834560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that (P&Q) is multiplicative rather than additive. < 1440213468 273709 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't P|Q also multiplicative, in the general case? (you mean in # of DFA states, right?) < 1440213613 481092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's additive in the number of NFA states. < 1440213694 849595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mauris < 1440213697 62137 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maur is the correct spelling < 1440213720 301615 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure < 1440213742 873012 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that three lines ago too, help am i a robot?? < 1440213863 833972 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly i'm TAing a class on finite automata and regular expressions, and i get to come up with multiple choice questions for the exam! < 1440213883 682243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have multiple choice questions in .be? < 1440213894 688936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those only existed here. < 1440213973 309989 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :super easy to grade, i guess < 1440213983 615642 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :("so easy a DFA could do it") < 1440214037 656532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Does your class talk about how to implement intersection and complement efficiently? < 1440214244 59697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: are you a deterministic finite robot < 1440214281 353014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Robots are deterministic finite Belgians that repeat themselves. Taneb invented them. < 1440214287 587785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'robot': Robots are deterministic finite Belgians that repeat themselves. Taneb invented them. < 1440214310 689412 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help meh? ;-; http://arin.ga/R4N7lx/raw why does this not match a(b|c)d ? < 1440214340 568528 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to match regex with regex < 1440214396 317254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the regex language you're using is insufficiently powerful to nest parens < 1440214411 653422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I already know that whatever you've come up with is wrong < 1440214430 923384 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the hint, i know that < 1440214444 101691 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't plan to match recursively only with regex < 1440214555 614242 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! i found it! < 1440214626 799901 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needed an extra group (\|x|y) -> (\|(x|y)) < 1440214628 875572 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever JOIN :#esoteric < 1440215387 657403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 20:46 -!- edtoast_46 [~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:9dbe:f358:9656:99fc] has joined #haskell < 1440215390 632087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1440215504 441352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did e mention eir channel < 1440215529 475308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different channel with a certain five-character substring hth < 1440215556 56591 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there =) < 1440215588 753259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome dramforever < 1440215588 807550 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to design a code golf PL using Chinese characters < 1440215590 433982 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06dramforever: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.) < 1440215606 593190 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know there exists some < 1440215621 179497 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm kinda having fun reinvening the wheel < 1440215641 50544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as you don't make it a round wheel, they're so old hat < 1440215653 375028 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1440215663 7589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of a round wheel being used as an old hat hthib < 1440215678 687565 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure some common unicode symbols + Chinese could beat APL easily < 1440215774 907755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many characters are there? < 1440215807 631157 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, but surely a lot < 1440215818 909586 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make all operations one-char < 1440215819 784578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Char -- hth < 1440215821 487111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1440215883 623104 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_%28Unicode%29 wtf < 1440215886 613527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: apparently "wheel hat" is a disappointingly unrelated thing. < 1440216009 685485 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1440216025 105006 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so there are 1,114,112 valid characters < 1440216030 492424 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the majority of the BMP is Unified CJK Han < 1440216078 86308 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese characters are so sophisticated that a character is basically a word < 1440216081 977910 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :build a huge lookup table with as many combiantions as possible of these: ><+-.,[] < 1440216117 841200 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: why don't you just code in brain***k and 7z your code or something < 1440216188 586713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there aren't 1114112 code points in Unicode. < 1440216223 965396 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 17 planes can accommodate 1,114,112 code points[...]" from that page < 1440216235 937279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambdabot knows it < 1440216251 218840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they could, but they don't. < 1440216260 449213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every number between 0 and 1114111 corresponds to a code point. < 1440216323 221561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example 0xD800 - 0xDFFF < 1440216333 789949 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440216345 341400 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440216389 66868 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring <.< < 1440216410 582874 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440216436 227686 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever JOIN :#esoteric < 1440216458 325089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1440216508 918859 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:9dbe:f358:9656:99fc JOIN :#esoteric < 1440216541 62734 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:9dbe:f358:9656:99fc PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1440216553 27590 :edtoast_46!~Brandon@2602:306:3876:370:9dbe:f358:9656:99fc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join #ToastIRC Today < 1440216589 143482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's our first -n spam < 1440216630 188864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n? < 1440216642 949435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: channel mode that lets people not in the channel send to it < 1440216648 135793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look at the timing of the part versus the message) < 1440216654 318626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the channel mode. < 1440216663 389364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a debate a while back about whether -n would increase the amount of spam we got < 1440216682 206583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n is great because it confuses you about whether HackEgo is in the channel. < 1440216692 664332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was months ago, this is the first spam we've got < 1440217190 793966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning: nand2tetris spoilers) my assembly code could probably be clearer, maybe some newlines: http://pastie.org/private/lbxz7yz6d5fqe2kavpgq < 1440217205 479838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nan2dtetris has spoilers? 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MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1440217219 764807 NAMES :#esoteric < 1440217221 282736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric +b :edtoast_46!*@* > 1440217221 290416 NAMES :#esoteric < 1440217222 878873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric edtoast_46 :spammer < 1440217223 410323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider project solutions to be spoilers < 1440217225 467521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1440217225 475318 NAMES :#esoteric < 1440217260 173150 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/DFEDo3/raw uhm can you try to run this? what am i doing wrong? in the second example i want to keep b\|c together < 1440217260 635119 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...idris-bot is here < 1440217261 202768 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1440217271 82929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To run Idris code. < 1440217276 355564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe type-check it. < 1440217279 830333 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very...esoteric < 1440217284 572041 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440217330 66727 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels great so far < 1440217336 815781 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this satan.spawn() function in the idris standard library < 1440217405 593296 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440217528 561623 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440217590 450917 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440217701 289891 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440217725 488667 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440217802 734976 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440217838 446642 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440217866 98264 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440217965 295070 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440217994 777563 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440218099 777235 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440218138 92717 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440218497 809996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, there are all sorts of different types of grapes < 1440218556 88532 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440218573 421297 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440218699 561845 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440218851 925672 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440218879 604652 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440218883 116948 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440218911 444533 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440218928 604225 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440218948 112163 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440219027 506519 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440219194 664534 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : mauris: Does your class talk about how to implement intersection and complement efficiently? <-- sadly, no; it talks about making the DFAs you end up with efficient through state elimination but the algorithms to get there are all naive < 1440219229 632480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to make ais523 ooh or aah, you can say naïve hth < 1440219534 765786 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440219644 719576 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440219800 667542 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-170-31-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440220535 85970 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: < 1440220550 315467 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask a wine-lover about grapes < 1440220579 396817 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they make wine with grapes that taste like other fruit or something < 1440220811 800603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These grapes taste like delicious grapes. < 1440220815 161624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a kind of fruit? < 1440224427 414105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You discuss whether -n would increase the amount of spam you got. Although you got the spam with the -n it still doesn't make much difference because they did join anyways! So, it is a bit strange kind of a example, kind of. < 1440224477 326935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not the sort of -n spam I expected < 1440224484 400570 :Daniel01!~canaima@186-92-198-89.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440224487 340756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they joined, then parted, then sent the message < 1440224543 400562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1440224574 826573 :anonymous777!~Home@c-68-38-30-50.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440224579 464361 :Daniel01!~canaima@186-92-198-89.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1440224581 758335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how else would they know that the channel is -n? < 1440224594 18080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the MODE command < 1440224620 683786 :anonymous777!~Home@c-68-38-30-50.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1440224644 645116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no even #ToastIRC channel as far as I can see (MODE tells me no such channel) < 1440224686 886031 :Daniel01!~canaima@186-92-198-89.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440224719 80325 :Daniel01!~canaima@186-92-198-89.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aski < 1440224727 903156 :Daniel01!~canaima@186-92-198-89.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1440224751 580486 :anonymous777!~Home@c-68-38-30-50.hsd1.in.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1440224768 791969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao < 1440224770 12811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list < 1440225895 830065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember: Make every program a filter! < 1440225963 182668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i 'ardly know 'er? < 1440225974 210488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a filter? < 1440226035 655726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A UNIX-style-filter, where it uses stdin/stdout so you can use it with pipes and redirection and so on. < 1440226060 773712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's your opinion of NetHack, in that respect? < 1440226061 494427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of modern programs don't, but ought to, in my opinion. < 1440226066 607761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes input from stdin and produces output on stdout < 1440226083 854104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also uses other files of its own, and generates and loads save files < 1440226095 847838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if stdin (or maybe stdout?) is not a terminal it refuses to run < 1440226096 364240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is reasonable to do that in that case, to use stdin/stdout and various files < 1440226110 489509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it ought to work even if they are not a terminal < 1440226119 624028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your opinion of programs that seek in stdin, or mmap it? < 1440226125 324886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you can use filters to make macros and character conversion and so on < 1440226148 735846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Normally it shouldn't, you should try to avoid it. But sometimes it seems like necessary anyways < 1440226212 903906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could just use a file and make a `...` to capture a temporary filename perhaps, in the command-line argument, then it won't be a problem to be seeked even if it is a pipe. < 1440226215 845261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that shells shouldn't have < and > < 1440226222 904207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, there should be commands to read from files and write to files. < 1440226232 717571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, you could do it without; use cat to read and make another program to write < 1440226237 648569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's ready a command for reading from a file < 1440226239 22439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would use readfile f | filter | writefile g instead of filter < f > g < 1440226249 467834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, tee can be used to write to a file but it also copies output to stdout < 1440226251 652686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't say there wasn't. < 1440226256 217372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, tee works. < 1440226263 641709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know, I'm trying to help you implement your idea < 1440226265 842389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1440226279 344906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other issue is that going through a pipe can be inefficient. < 1440226284 161258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to solve that. < 1440226347 87167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are shell-builtins, that might solve it < 1440226356 915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that they aren't shell builtins. < 1440226373 181224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe a different API would let you attach a file descriptor directly to a pipe. < 1440226421 867947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it isn't, but if they are just shell-builtin command called < and > then it can still be use with syntax of pipe to be consistent even though it isn't < 1440226423 661554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of revcat < 1440226433 108386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm not sure I ever got working < 1440226436 937153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pipes its stdout to its stdin < 1440226441 502828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want it to be easy to write to the network and so on. < 1440226453 745834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now bash implements TCP sockets as a shell builtin or something, which is ridiculous. < 1440226464 752882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do revcat < a.txt | revcat | revcat >> b.txt, and it copies b.txt to a.txt < 1440226478 139552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also write | tee (> nc ...) | ... in bash, or somehting along those lines. < 1440226479 627010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think bash implements TCP sockets as a fake device file < 1440226489 56326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant. < 1440226496 256681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For TCP connect you could use netcat, it probably shouldn't be a shell built-in < 1440226497 321705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Another command that writes stdin to a file is sponge. < 1440226513 269936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think sponge does it delayed? Sometimes this is useful though < 1440226517 873788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sponge's behavior should just be an option to the command that writes a file. And so should tee's behavior. < 1440226546 141089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not so good if you want to write immediately, such as may be useful if you are writing to a device. < 1440226559 762064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of sponge is that it's delayed, because people rely on the shell when they don't want it delayed. < 1440226591 363247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, /me looks at sponge < 1440226599 275824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other interesting-looking programs in the same package < 1440226607 596352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, it is the point sometimes is useful for delayed but sometimes when it isn't. < 1440226624 858933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that package has all sorts of jams. < 1440226673 391418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sponge seems to be designed for atomic output < 1440226680 170730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the point of sponge. < 1440226691 789130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat file | sed ... | sponge file < 1440226831 355321 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440226832 319593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be useful for use with hamarc too I suppose, if you want to delete a lump from a Hamster archive for example < 1440226858 28843 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sponge is a terrible idea... < 1440226894 53668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people who invented cat apparently think that concatenating files is its main use and displaying them is secondary. < 1440226934 108610 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :x | y | z <- z starts writing when it receives EOF, which means that y is not writing anymore to the pipe, but x can still be active and doing stuff with that file < 1440226952 651530 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :be doing stuff* < 1440226972 270424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think they are both primary (although the -v option still ought to be a separate program in my opinion) < 1440227004 42828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The primary feature is to copy zero or more files, and possibly stdin, to stdout. < 1440227051 554892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should grep mmap stdin if it's a file? < 1440227069 726882 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu grep used to mmap it < 1440227105 233228 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019310.html < 1440227106 75841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1440227250 529018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you think programs should check if stdout is a terminal and behave differently? < 1440227333 857042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Depends on the program I suppose, but even then probably there should be the way to override it (even if it is a different program which is used to override it; for example cat changes it into a non-terminal, and perhaps another program could be made to do the opposite) < 1440227938 667727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of my program I have written is filter, including "hamarc", "bamtovgm", "amigamml", "playmod", "xisynth", "utftovlq", and others. < 1440228003 166254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can even do a "echo | amigamml | playmod | aplay" pipeline in order to preview a .XI file, although the .XI already has to be in a (seekable) file for this to work.) < 1440228181 493811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want also .NSF player that is acting as a filter program, but one program execute the .NSF and puts the register writes to stdout (although it still has to process some registers internally due to the .NSF program can read status of some registers), and another program will process the register write data into audio, and then you use a third program to output the audio to the speaker (or compress it into Vorbis or whatever). < 1440228817 553549 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440228849 283045 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1440228932 216646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you can replace the parts easily with other stuff, such as instead of rendering the register writes to audio you can make it convert to .VGM or speed up or slow down or transpose the music or replace the renderer with an experimental one or wire it to an actual Famicom cartridge or put a program that tries to make up a optimized .NSF that produces the same output, or something else. < 1440229160 916745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also replace the first part with netcat or with the reverse conversion of .VGM or some other format, or to read MIDI input, etc. Even, the last part you can add special effects, write to a compressed file, etc < 1440229177 472466 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440229614 892732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? At least I believe it is good idea < 1440229647 414693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about NSF or VGM formats. < 1440229812 618191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NSF format is a file that contains a 6502 program to write registers for various sound chips used with Famicom. VGM is one format that is used to record the register writes for many different kind of sound chips. < 1440230676 368670 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440231920 26025 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1440232228 432914 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440232468 676568 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440233104 427972 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Waka flaka < 1440233122 277263 :zadock!~outsider@79.116.97.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440233230 897829 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440233318 689402 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1440233567 557234 :Skin!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1440233593 935918 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440233606 221508 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever JOIN :#esoteric < 1440233758 68242 :zadock!~outsider@79.116.97.47 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440234504 399005 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440234646 120928 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440236632 933896 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/reggen/blob/master/reggen first attempt at regex parsing with regex... for those who said that it's not possible... < 1440236824 365478 :dramforever!~wang_rk@unaffiliated/dramforever QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440237267 310385 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand :P < 1440237295 301595 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a regex and prints a string that matches it < 1440237309 256720 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, and who said that was impossible? < 1440237399 742436 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 | izabera: the regex language you're using is insufficiently powerful to nest parens < 1440237401 401163 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 | so I already know that whatever you've come up with is wrong < 1440237430 906614 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a different problem < 1440237436 875564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the difference is that you're running a regex in a loop, so it's not a regex any more? < 1440237454 554572 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1440237488 17636 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual way of writing down regular expressions is not a regular language < 1440237965 397947 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1440238113 773848 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440239275 999186 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440239308 720636 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440240481 661748 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440240677 200301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/the reals,/the reals, robots,/' wisdom/tanebventions < 1440240686 134180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/tanebventions: No such file or directory < 1440240708 133050 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*anebv* < 1440240709 42645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebvention < 1440240713 384930 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/the reals,/the reals, robots,/' wisdom/tanebvention < 1440240715 812005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440240734 881626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? robot < 1440240736 172407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robots are deterministic finite Belgians that repeat themselves. Taneb invented them. < 1440241134 194749 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellint-ello. < 1440241147 307252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved the tanebventions over to a new chapter. < 1440241448 605544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks the repo < 1440243253 431163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440243617 329806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PANAMERICAN CHICKEN < 1440243838 129724 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi < 1440243838 914418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1440243853 125604 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows arbitrary commands? :/ < 1440244022 426765 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, but it's sandboxed and under version control < 1440244028 946310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how it works yes (although there are limits and sandbox and so on) < 1440244054 952928 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of sandbox ooi < 1440244272 160121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname -a < 1440244273 39943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1440245220 277659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43866&oldid=43865 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-4) 10 < 1440245619 326752 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux puppypc1015 3.9.11 #1 SMP Sat Jul 27 19:40:54 GMT-8 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux < 1440245636 522200 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bit 4eva < 1440245682 556902 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least until purolator decides to deliver my damn computer < 1440245707 197024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but 4GB address space simply aren't enough. < 1440245723 867121 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine has only 2GB < 1440245752 37108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the kernel takes between 0.5 and 2GB of that address space away for itself...) < 1440245810 197044 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if linux gets too bloated maybe I'll get minix or freebsd < 1440245819 928098 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bit 4eva < 1440245875 583516 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I have no clue whether the freebsd kernel is bigger or smaller < 1440245924 30398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to get gzip(5) manual page, or is only gzip(1) available? < 1440245981 603258 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440246040 179615 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying you want to know about the file format? < 1440246063 416840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would want the man page of the file format < 1440246080 295517 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell did i wind up here < 1440246102 184932 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redblobgames.com/articles/visibility/ cool thingy < 1440246106 581802 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: a series of bad life choices < 1440246132 864299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: Just because it does; that's all. < 1440246141 536215 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you wanted to write unnecessarily complex solutions to simple problems for the sake of fun? < 1440246142 154640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could convert RFC 1952 to a manpage < 1440246155 835317 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so brainfuck stands at the pinnacle of these languages? < 1440246175 746103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is too simple < 1440246204 411170 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which (if any) are actually useful? < 1440246219 889435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: Useful for what? That is what it need to depend on! < 1440246220 201626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you useful? < 1440246220 304725 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( i'm not familiar with the repl, but < 1440246223 752195 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck, befunge-98, dc, and funciton are my favorites < 1440246248 148547 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is written in befunge < 1440246248 456459 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: little kids should not be reached" etc. is that where your family is too?) and there i have to admit < 1440246269 145731 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just vomits random quotes <.< < 1440246269 905764 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: dc the calculator? < 1440246278 449858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not quotes < 1440246283 740073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most of the time) < 1440246292 686033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1440246292 740423 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1440246295 807859 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it just vomits something that looks like random quotes < 1440246297 293317 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fungot is a bot who normally responds when spoken of but seems to be offline right now) < 1440246297 499313 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i don't know how to switch keyboard leds in c? _o. < 1440246309 509646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere and fungot does other things as well < 1440246309 612523 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anadna dnf duf nufgnuogntog tod tod eodseo seo sto htoehtreh ret rht ihtnihgnisgn sga ssa saw sew lewllelll < 1440246320 264714 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: unignore it < 1440246331 705592 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway also i use dc at my work on a regular basis for calculating bitfields < 1440246381 216705 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ed count as an esoteric language? < 1440246383 570171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i am surprised by brainfuck < 1440246383 624493 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed the editor < 1440246384 188806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use dc to calculate stuff < 1440246397 648730 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so befunge-98, dc are both actually useful < 1440246398 103162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I don't know, maybe TECO does instead? < 1440246439 791588 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i wrote this yesterday to delete the trailing empty lines: ?.?+,$d is it esoteric? <.< < 1440246453 198636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1440246506 468306 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not turing complete... :C < 1440246509 135671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make vim to not use the alternate screen buffer when it is in ex mode, and use alternate screen only for vi mode? < 1440246520 435361 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1440246539 728677 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm why? < 1440246554 245556 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440246566 127486 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: fungot < 1440246566 230184 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: why does. have a happy one then :) seems ok < 1440246586 421597 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1440246594 867148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things may be disputed and argue if it is esoteric programming, including dc and FurryScript and a few others? < 1440246616 706692 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there are a ton of these langs. are any actually suitable for making any manor of general purpose applications? < 1440246618 667609 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno dc is pretty much line noise < 1440246639 153027 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: befunge-98 definitely is < 1440246652 865965 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1440246652 920249 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1440246669 47437 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the source of fungot in befunge-98 < 1440246669 255600 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: x1 x2 x3) instead of ( truncate 1.1) i want it < 1440246714 638161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like dc for a kind of desk calculator I suppose like < 1440246725 76153 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: well someone wrote an irc bot in brainfuck, not sure if that counts... https://github.com/SirCmpwn/bf-irc-bot/blob/master/irc-bot.bf < 1440246831 369043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, such things are possible. < 1440246840 530800 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol befunge-98 looks like something already processed < 1440246857 115075 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perl < 1440246949 362335 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can say that this is the first time since I was 9 that I looked at a programming language and saw gibberish < 1440246960 818756 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: it's a two-dimensional language with one-character commands. control flow proceeds across the text in any direction < 1440246971 569618 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever saw malbolge code? < 1440247036 639377 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdness < 1440247069 617902 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a category on the wiki for languages with file and network IO capabilities < 1440247073 82302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other ideas can be like befunge but different kind of geometry or different number of dimensions; there are some other multidimensional esolangs too < 1440247076 660776 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is funcitonnfeatured yet? < 1440247097 135320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes maybe it should be, in case of any ones. < 1440247121 500362 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funciton is a good one to feature < 1440247124 801779 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually came here after searching around considering a new programming paradigm to learn < 1440247139 205918 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... < 1440247146 300779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know haskell? < 1440247153 830123 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity. i don't think I would use any of these < 1440247162 81312 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't know haskell < 1440247170 367679 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go learn it < 1440247177 626392 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1440247198 897310 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another good one to learn is assembler < 1440247213 342004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mips < 1440247214 996180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS Is Popular in Schools. < 1440247232 979817 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about pips < 1440247236 34973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 6502 assembly programming < 1440247268 440135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know enough nasm to actually write stuff < 1440247304 406046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Forth programming? < 1440247310 398420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 (outdated), AVR... < 1440247316 771211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know 6502 assembly language programming? < 1440247328 655525 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not seen funciton before < 1440247345 64858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funciton id beautyful < 1440247355 18297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. I mean I've read a bit of code, but I need an instruction reference to do that. < 1440247356 335311 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a compiler for it < 1440247417 154210 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use mostly procedural, oop, and some functional if you count c# and c++. I've been considering things like haskell, lisp, python. sometimes it's difficult to group languages into paradigms. some hybrid would be nice < 1440247432 686656 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, oop doesn't have to be procedural < 1440247465 952543 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell is c# or c++ functional? < 1440247490 186459 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: rust is a nice serious language < 1440247491 574568 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++11 is < 1440247508 380695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice? < 1440247517 748873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, functional. < 1440247517 852312 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have some functional attributes < 1440247543 280109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :template programming has been sort-of-functional all these years < 1440247553 400785 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1440247613 100883 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a new paradigm or some hybrid might excite my imagination in machine learning applications < 1440247638 996864 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or help me write less code < 1440247683 959603 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come haskell is much more popular than curry? < 1440247704 935344 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance functions/code being treated as a data type < 1440247721 417093 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there's always eval functions but still < 1440247728 598853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43867&oldid=43866 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+41) 10 < 1440247742 834023 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: prolog or lisp? < 1440247748 961672 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or easier ways of inference < 1440247756 175191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43868&oldid=43867 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-41) 10 < 1440247788 559533 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog seems a bit antiquated. lisp is old but still has a lot of contribution < 1440247794 214242 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and idk what to make of python < 1440247824 163458 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to get into D but there's just not enough code out there to play with < 1440247838 709968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used many different programming languages including BASIC, SQL, Forth, TI-92, and others including ones I invented by myself for various purposes < 1440247844 856825 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a saying in the rust channel < 1440247871 711733 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is for C++ developers that like C++ and Rust is for C++ programmers that hate C++ < 1440247918 941925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer C < 1440247972 18231 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes though, I yearn for the simple days of Visual Basic 6 < 1440247996 32981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used VB6 as well < 1440248002 42723 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dito < 1440248009 929868 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't like it, though < 1440248010 406633 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting how everyone got by without libraries in the olden days < 1440248012 794532 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always hated vb < 1440248030 389518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only nice thing about vb is the with keyword < 1440248056 425568 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make a IDE like VB for Python tk < 1440248078 589807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i do think the most hilarious one is "ON ERROR RESUME NEXT" < 1440248090 254456 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can drag and drop to create dialogues < 1440248132 569578 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IDE made it simpler to write a GUI than a CLI < 1440248155 884326 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1440248191 806053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that generalised variant of "ON ERROR RESUME NEXT" where you register a segfault/etc handlers that just skip the faulting instruction, maybe setting some result registers to zero. < 1440248209 662353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more crashes. < 1440248233 616184 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days I make cross platform programs in HTML5 (node-webkit) and do backend heavy lifting in native languages where necessary < 1440248247 811761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once (in year 2000 actually) I made a program in GWBASIC to allow making program in GWBASIC without line numbers, but you can add line labels into some lines. < 1440248260 595666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly these days I prefer to write program in C < 1440248280 618060 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I can port lots of code to mobile via cordova/phonegap < 1440248328 537439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally write command-line programs though; they are generally better than GUI < 1440248350 516876 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :command line is good. ncurses is better < 1440248354 265618 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write a lot of CLI as well but mostly for server-side < 1440248369 673683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I wrote AmigaMML; I couldn't find any better program to make .MOD/.XM musics < 1440248380 177187 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :server with command line and ncurses clients is best < 1440248416 887465 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually make web interfaces < 1440248425 218614 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though ncurses is cool < 1440248453 791133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to use command-line for both server and clients (as well as the standalone programs which don't use a server and client, which would be most of them) < 1440248543 248509 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about programs for consumers. i've only rolled one for sale that was CLI < 1440248554 662400 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the client < 1440248585 656904 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for users the best option these days is indeed usually a web service, < 1440248616 819768 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. even when I make a desktop app I always do most of the work server-side. no stealing < 1440248624 861536 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only because Java is such a painful language to use < 1440248625 67633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrappers with GUI or whatever can be done, but better computer programming design should be with command-line program in the general < 1440248649 675323 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stealing... < 1440248649 985638 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and python/perl don't really work on windows < 1440248680 556233 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stops piracy < 1440248706 777673 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :py works on windows < 1440248722 242929 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't code in it but i've seen windowing apps in it < 1440248724 671109 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: how many people have python installed though < 1440248732 601907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to make it local, it is faster, it can be use even if you do not have internet connection on that computer, and you can modify the program if needed to, and also privacy if that is also what you wanted < 1440248738 169636 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to have py installed < 1440248764 668358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs is useful to use by internet, such as email for example, but most don't < 1440248765 230053 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are bundlers you could call compilers < 1440248777 327980 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? is there a .py compiler for win64 I don't know about < 1440248807 193142 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just a bundler. lame < 1440248823 427054 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a PHP compiler for .net < 1440248829 750779 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phalanger < 1440248839 845425 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP?!! NOOOOOOOOOO < 1440248868 718355 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is cancer in the bones of the internet < 1440248892 67682 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is fine these days whereas it used to be a disaster < 1440248908 306380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write this IRC client in PHP, and also wrote FurryScript in PHP, but later may redo them in C possibly < 1440248947 688554 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's fine... if you like horrible inconsistency and type autoconversions < 1440248971 878473 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of languages have type casting < 1440248983 808108 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D even has it < 1440248984 945358 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type casting is one thing < 1440248998 34472 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconversions are something very different < 1440248998 408839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there is many bad thing with PHP; I don't like it much < 1440249006 777782 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto somevar = "sfsdfs"; in D < 1440249042 860263 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some bad things but the security concerns of old are no longer present as far as I'm aware < 1440249051 944734 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about when you pass a string to a function expecting a number, and it converts it < 1440249060 765242 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than throwing an error < 1440249073 352372 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't happen < 1440249099 633474 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you did it wrong < 1440249123 360659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHIRC and FurryScript aren't even webapps (although FurryScript supports being wrapped with another PHP file that is used on a webpage) < 1440249127 120732 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat it as a string, its a string < 1440249127 224670 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440249127 430048 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in php, $a == $b && $b == $c && $a != $c is possibly < 1440249180 275421 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1440249192 902026 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At my previous job that could happen in prod < 1440249211 532425 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caused hard-to-find bugs < 1440249219 352326 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!== evaluates type < 1440249231 337349 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1440249255 39427 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: yes, the solution was to replace a lot of == and != with === and !== respectively < 1440249255 699090 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is: why is == and != even there? < 1440249280 30359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is of cojrse shitty legacy code < 1440249316 220585 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Perl has separate string and number compares, as does Bash < 1440249344 65372 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :error_reporting(E_STRICT|E_ALL); < 1440249379 263969 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I won't go far into defending php. it's useful to me though < 1440249399 324439 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is useful < 1440249405 55766 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but horrible < 1440249425 540871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blog.whitehatsec.com/magic-hashes/ -- I like the term "magic hash" < 1440249427 965316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer programming in C and SQL though, if it can be used < 1440249441 985072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes, I think so < 1440249455 940312 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the CGI code in my website in bash and C < 1440249522 8132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWW is a mess. < 1440249532 26225 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible is a bit of an overstatement depending on use-case. I've written thousands of lines in a project with no problems. Javascript seems to be expanding enormously to try to do everything now though and I find myself writing a lot of it. I still refuse to use node server-side though. < 1440249587 690849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find JavaScript is better programming language than PHP, although I don't like using it for webpages < 1440249592 42636 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds terrible (writing desktop apps in javascript) but it's really not with things like webgl, webcl, webrtc < 1440249630 834084 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like I said when I use nw.js if I need heavy lifting on the backend of the app just write some native code < 1440249674 520373 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is better but still bad. the fact that you need all these libraries that get downloaded over and over again from every website is proof of crappiness < 1440249685 910566 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is easier for a GUI. you basically make a responsive web site in the style of a program and you've got both a desktop and mobile app < 1440249736 236249 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, libraries downloaded over and over? < 1440249779 242930 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libraries are downloaded once with npm and executed locally < 1440249789 339167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer to make command-line program though; it is a much better way of working the computer, especially if it is the UNIX command-line rather than the Windows command-line. < 1440249795 730918 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. Jquery, jquery-ui, angular-js etc. each one, each programmer puts a minifd version of it on their own server, which is independent of the copied on every other server < 1440249840 891738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07REGXY14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43869&oldid=41343 5* 03190.23.223.48 5* (-19) 10The generated source code of the implementation reads form STDIN and prints to STDOUT. < 1440249862 440087 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hundreds of identical jquery.min.js files end up being downloaded < 1440249887 273516 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I use a javascript whitelist < 1440249909 54638 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the nature of using a library < 1440249913 268006 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1440249928 962124 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to blame the browser < 1440249940 650993 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nature of using a library (in normal languages) is that the same .so file is used by many programs < 1440249953 297812 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or .dll on windows) < 1440249957 908039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with command-line program you can do the programs over the internet, such as with nc and curl and ssh < 1440249962 742253 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for JS < 1440250013 774860 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :download jquery, include in project, get's executed in implementation < 1440250046 450280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sprunge for pastebin service since it can be use by command-line and doesn't need to use web-browser (although it can be used with web-browser too) < 1440250049 693039 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I've done that before < 1440250051 387583 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the user's system, he has 50 jquery.min.js files in the broswer cache < 1440250102 139492 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, I suppose that's true and the fault of the browser if it isn't hashing the cache and reusing the files but I'm talking about JS for desktop and mobile apps < 1440250118 778981 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas he only has one, for example zlib.so < 1440250188 682023 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440250199 101767 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: if a user has several apps made by you, do you reuse the same jquery.js file for all of them < 1440250204 549065 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, that is one thing that I don't like about browser implementations of javascript. some libs are so used they should probably be distributed with the browser but the browser cache can be hashed as to not redownload the same files < 1440250215 525756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronet door programs can also be written in JavaScript (it also supports door programs written in DOS for compatibility) < 1440250274 360723 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally there should be a browser extension for chrome or mozilla that has a tag like <> < 1440250281 226527 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, I could do that < 1440250289 354193 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I? no < 1440250307 322126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trioxin: No, the real problem is that webpages use a lot of JavaScripts and other stuff < 1440250327 69290 :Trioxin!~Trioxin@72-28-181-085-dhcp.aik.sc.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be extra coding for something of little consequence in terms of a desktop app < 1440250385 121251 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :