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01:28:39 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: s/ then/ they/ my
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01:36:38 <izabera> 80% of the lines have characters that my font can't render
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01:58:47 <oren> my font also doesn't render, but the backup font does. however, that doesn't mean can actually read any of them
02:04:17 <Jafet> “A loanword I heard in Amaro- / हा was clearly not borrowed from Kham so / I guessed it was Ü-Tsang / But that was just all wrong- / It turns out the form was from Amdo.”
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02:59:36 <oren> "Writing a large number of commands into ed without printing the buffer to confirm it" #justunixgeekthings
03:01:52 <oren> "Copypasting the AES S-box from the pdf into ed, and then into Visual Basic? Priceless. For everythine else there's mastercard.
03:04:01 <oren> shachaf: does having the values in VB hex notation help?
03:04:11 <oren> &H63, &H7C, &H77, &H7B, &HF2, &H6B, &H6F, &HC5, &H30, &H01, &H67, &H2B, &HFE, &HD7, &HAB, &H76,
03:04:16 <shachaf> why would you implement aes
03:04:39 <oren> to support it in my ssh terminal thingy?
03:04:50 <oren> which i am making in VB
03:05:29 <shachaf> it will probably end up insecure
03:05:42 <shachaf> you should call it ish instead
03:05:52 <oren> that is a good name
03:06:37 <oren> people who want security whould probably not use anything written in VB anyway
03:07:17 <oren> you don't see much VB code on crypto blogs
03:11:50 <oren> I don't get this. is there an actual mathmatical relation between the number of rounds and the key legth?
03:12:18 <oren> 16 byte key -> 10 rounds
03:12:35 <oren> 24 byte key -> 12 rounds
03:12:48 <oren> 32 byte key -> 14 rounds
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03:22:52 <oren> So now I'm working on the key schedule and the cipher
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04:18:40 <oren> what if the memory is a 3d space of bits, and data types are cubes of bits, containing 8, 27, 64, or 125 bits
04:21:41 <oren> make the shooting patterns programmable
04:25:08 <Jafet> "AOLServer is the web engine that powers America Online. [...] It is similar in many respects to Zope, except based largely on Tcl."
04:30:14 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: something that will give you a headache :) but you need to do
04:30:48 <hppavilion[1]> I've decided that the Fungot tower will be able to see fnordic enemies
04:32:34 <hppavilion[1]> oren, your a fungotologist. What is fungot's TRUE form?
04:32:34 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: you have 1 message. riastradh says: does sisc have a fnord
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04:59:52 <oerjan> irc isn't globally synchronized
05:00:43 <hppavilion[1]> Must be *mumble mumble* special relativity *mumble mumble*
05:01:24 <oerjan> it's actually not that easy to _speed up_ time with special relativity.
05:01:45 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: you had talked about that a long time since i've played it 5 times, but only in a lexical environment, which the body doesn't digest algorithm or anything.
05:01:55 <oerjan> not taking the straightest path tends to slow you down
05:02:34 <hppavilion[1]> I need to know for research purposes for the EsoTD
05:03:32 <oerjan> you are a mere human, you cannot grasp true forms hth
05:04:37 <shachaf> is fungot's true form a differential form
05:04:37 <fungot> shachaf: i get it :) i'm sorry, you're wrong
05:04:45 <oerjan> but secretly we're all (including fungot) tentacled beings playing a _really_ immersive MMORPG hth
05:04:45 <fungot> oerjan: i like this room, ever, a rosemary.
05:05:48 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
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05:28:33 <shachaf> pikhq: You should talk to mulrich about Agora sometime.
05:28:46 <pikhq> Was he in Agora nomic?
05:29:08 <pikhq> ... oh my goodness I think I recognize the name holy shit
05:30:41 <shachaf> No, he wasn't in it as far as I know.
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05:47:45 <shachaf> oerjan: What's the state of the art in machine-interpretable nomics? twh
05:48:30 <oerjan> i dunno, haven't been on more than one and it was > decade ago
05:55:33 <oren> I'm almost ready to test my AES
05:58:00 <oren> Ok, now I need a unit test
05:58:22 <shachaf> oerjan: hmm, doesn't really seem self-modifying enough
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06:05:02 <Perdurabo> Hi I am having issues with a tarot reading.. anyone familiar with the Thoth Tarot?
06:05:12 <HackEgo> Perdurabo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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06:12:51 <oren> holy fucking what what Visual Basic has freaking lambdas?!!?
06:14:11 <oren> Dim f = Function(x) x * 6 + 5
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06:32:34 <ashl> which version?
06:35:39 <oerjan> <oren> I don't get this. is there an actual mathmatical relation between the number of rounds and the key legth? <-- divide by 4 and add 6 hth
06:36:38 <shachaf> oerjan: {(16,10),(24,12),(32,14)} hth
06:37:09 <shachaf> except i guess you mean "subtract 6 and multiply by 4"
06:37:28 <oerjan> shachaf: oren was confusingly switching the order
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06:38:11 <shachaf> I haven't played _Potion of Confusing_ in such a long time.
06:38:27 <lambdabot> Applicative f => LensLike (Data.Functor.Kan.Rift.Rift (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f) (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f)) s t a b -> LensLike f s t a b
06:38:29 <shachaf> @ask zzo38 Have any improvements been made to Potion of Confusing since I last played it?
06:39:24 <shachaf> @let import Data.Functor.Kan.Rift
06:39:25 <lambdabot> Data.Functor.Kan.Rift: Can't be safely imported!
06:39:25 <lambdabot> The package (kan-extensions-4.2.2) the module resides in isn't trusted.
06:42:01 <mauris> potion of confusing is unimprovable hth
06:42:31 <shachaf> Well, perhaps I can play the sequel, potion of doesn't make sense.
06:48:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Taxi]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44007&oldid=39128 * 109.192.2.224 * (+3495) Added Table mapping destinations to operations
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06:53:26 <oren> ashl: I'm using Visual Basic .Net In visual Studio 2015
06:53:45 <ashl> i thought you meant vb6
06:57:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Taxi]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44008&oldid=44007 * 109.192.2.224 * (+300) Formated table
06:58:30 <oren> I'm trying to write an SSH Client in Visual Basic
07:00:24 <oren> but I'm having trouble implementing AES
07:00:56 <oren> Where is the crypto channel so I can troll them
07:01:21 <shachaf> The channel is where you'd expect.
07:01:26 <oren> I mean aske them for help implementing aes in VB
07:01:53 <oren> which I assume would qualify as trolling
07:02:26 <mauris> maybe i don't really "get it" but would writing this in VB be substantially different from writing it in anything else
07:03:08 <oren> No, but many people get migraines imagining VB code, let alone writing it
07:04:39 <oren> VB has a long history of being used by substandard devs for pitiful business apps which inevitably grow into monstrosities
07:06:44 <oren> anyway I think I figured out where I messed up
07:10:26 <ashl> isn't vb.net just an alternative external representation of C#?
07:12:07 <oren> technically yes.
07:12:41 <oren> But the VB syntax has this uh, visceral reaction from many people
07:13:45 <coppro> it's an alternative external representation of CLI code
07:14:15 <coppro> and even then, it's more limited than CLI
07:19:00 <oren> myname: That is still valid syntax
07:20:27 <ashl> example of limitation?
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07:33:47 <coppro> oren: where did you go to school, again?
07:36:14 <oren> University Of Toronto
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07:44:59 <coppro> you didn't hang out with any Waterloo guys, did you?
07:47:05 <shachaf> Why is everyone from Waterloo?
07:47:15 <shachaf> coppro: Did you play Prismata?
07:47:19 <coppro> because it's the place to be
07:47:44 <coppro> elyot is an acquaintance though
07:50:12 <ashl> i'm not from waterloo and haven't encountered anyone from waterloo (until now)
07:51:13 <shachaf> Lots of people are from Waterloo.
07:51:21 <shachaf> Though maybe only coppro in this channel.
07:52:12 <shachaf> They have this thing where they send students to silly valley for a few months or something.
07:56:06 <mroman> gaming graphics still suck and it's 2015
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07:57:14 <mroman> althouth GTA5 is from 2014
07:58:44 <mroman> It has sucky anti-aliasing on the PS.
07:58:45 <coppro> shachaf: yeah, it's an alternating work-school program
07:59:35 <HackEgo> gotton/gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet.
08:00:49 <oren> Ok, now I'm getting frustrated
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08:01:15 <oren> i can't seem to get the right result out of my rijndael key schedule
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08:07:06 <HackEgo> gaszpacho/gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days
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10:06:56 <AnonymousExcepti> How would you go about handling numbers in ///? I was thinking about using base 1, but was wondering if anyone had a better solution?
10:09:09 <izabera> i don't really know /// but probably you can use the same techiques as in sed
10:10:45 <izabera> http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html#Increment-a-number
10:10:52 <izabera> dunno how much of that applies to ///
10:35:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44009&oldid=43723 * Christian Irwan * (+221) /* Mathematics */
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14:15:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ShortScript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44010&oldid=43989 * YourDeathIsComing * (+341)
14:16:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ShortScript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44011&oldid=44010 * YourDeathIsComing * (+30)
14:17:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:YourDeathIsComing]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44012&oldid=43980 * YourDeathIsComing * (+17)
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14:27:19 <tswett> Looks like etymologically, the opposite of "effeminate" ought to be "emasculate".
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14:41:48 <HackEgo> C Pound is Java's good twin.
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15:04:00 <b_jonas> In windows shell, DIR /s/b/a-l only doesn't output symlinks, or also doesn't descend into symlink directories?
15:04:05 <b_jonas> That's a serious question.
15:06:26 <b_jonas> it seems it only doesn't list them
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15:23:07 <stalem> who's maintaining/owning hackbot and its wisdomme knowledges?
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15:32:34 <stalem> aw, hackbot should at least know about its creator
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16:23:04 <oerjan> <AnonymousExcepti> How would you go about handling numbers in ///? I was thinking about using base 1, but was wondering if anyone had a better solution? <-- hm i would have pointed em to my Deadfish implementation. although i guess it _is_ base 1 most of the time.
16:26:34 <oerjan> <izabera> dunno how much of that applies to /// <-- well /// doesn't have regexps, but this method can be adapted.
16:27:27 <izabera> the regex part of number handling in sed is that digits match themselves
16:28:19 <oerjan> hm actually it's not that directly adaptable.
16:28:39 <oerjan> might need to convert each digit into unary first, similar to what i did.
16:29:17 <oerjan> otherwise you would need a real loop, which is overkill
16:31:44 <oerjan> oh wait no that's not necessary.
16:33:30 <oerjan> multiple inheritance hth
16:39:10 <oerjan> an inheritance n-category
16:39:35 <oerjan> don't worry, i barely understand any of it
16:39:52 <hppavilion[1]> My formal education in mathematics caps at the very beginning of Alg. II
16:40:03 <oerjan> n-categories are like a higher-dimensional version of categories
16:40:26 <HackEgo> Categories are just a special case of bicategories.
16:43:34 <hppavilion[1]> foo = class(extends=[...], implements=[...], interface=True|False, abstract=True|False, meta=type, etc...) {...}
16:44:06 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: assuming you're referring to the diagram at the top of Category theory, that's sort of relevant for inheritance. if class A inherits from class B and C, and both class B and C inherit from D, you'd like A to get the "same" D both ways. that can be expressed in such a commutative diagram, and means that inheritance is a simple sort of category.
16:45:23 <oerjan> well, in a category every object has an identity morphism, which translates to every class being trivially its own ancestor.
16:45:54 <hppavilion[1]> (it is like an abstract class for abstract classes)
16:46:05 <oerjan> and you can have loops.
16:46:49 <oerjan> and then the question is, when you have a loop must it be trivial. or can a class be its own ancestor in a nontrivial way...
16:47:19 <hppavilion[1]> Are classes that inherit from two classes that share a parent called incest-borne classes?
16:48:54 <oerjan> i don't know half of it
16:49:17 * oerjan never studied those design patterns
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16:50:48 <oerjan> i think i learned what the visitor pattern was the other day.
16:51:11 <oerjan> in haskell you mostly just use pattern matching instead.
16:51:52 <oerjan> the visitor pattern is like CPS encoding of that
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17:16:55 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
17:19:13 <oerjan> myndzi isn't even here
17:19:17 <fizzie> Not much of a celebration.
17:19:24 <fizzie> Just a list of decapitated heads.
17:19:40 <oerjan> more like stockholm's blood bath
17:20:32 <shachaf> oerjan: how do you feel about me pronouncing your j as zh twh
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17:25:30 <shachaf> i used to think that was pronounced like "here sigh" hth
17:25:39 <shachaf> probably due to confusion with "hearsay"
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17:30:11 <Taneb> shachaf, same, actually
17:30:46 * oerjan is surprised to learn his pronunciation is correct
17:31:36 <oerjan> Taneb: hm are you celebrating anything in particular
17:31:49 <Taneb> No I just felt like celebrating
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17:40:26 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa, http://mysite.science.uottawa.ca/phofstra/Oct2015.html
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17:56:29 <oerjan> i sense a distinct lack of mention of beer.
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18:33:03 <hppavilion[1]> What weird ideas can we apply to Operator Overloading?
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18:36:33 <rdococ> assignment overloading?
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18:36:51 <rdococ> so you could do new objectWithAssignmentOverload() = 123
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18:50:10 <stalem> i'm gonna try asking again now that there's hopefully more awake; who's maintaining hackego?
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18:56:40 <hppavilion[1]> Are there any sums of fractions with denominators (- {1, 2, 3, 6} whose denominator (/- {1, 2, 3, 6}?
18:57:36 <hppavilion[1]> I don't think there is, but I'm just asking to be sure such as not to violate the law of conservation of energy in my esouniverse simulator (where the LoCoE applies)
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19:38:41 <myname> well, obviously not since what you are asking is if any sum of x/6 is a multiple of 1/6
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19:52:14 <oerjan> stalem: in theory Gregor does, in practice he's rarely active here and fizzie ends up doing some of the stuff that not everyone can do
19:53:21 <Gregor> If the question is who manages esolangs.org , I don't even in theory. I just own the box.
19:53:31 <stalem> oerjan: thanks for the answer mate. do you know if fizzie also has access then to the db's of hackbot?
19:53:34 <oerjan> no, it was HackEgo this time
19:53:56 <Gregor> Well, yeah, then that's me being a lazy shit :)
19:54:34 <stalem> understandable that you got better stuff to do than manage an irc bot :P
19:54:49 <shachaf> I know what the revert issue is, if you'd like to fix it.
19:55:11 <stalem> but i was thinking, in spirit of the compendiumme of wisdomme knowledges, that it would be nice to have an up-to-date web version no?
19:55:58 <stalem> cos the compendiumme is just too good to be static. i'd love to see it as a searchable, perhaps indexable encyclopedia
19:56:13 <oerjan> stalem: um boily handles that. see the pdf in the topic.
19:56:53 <oerjan> its up-to-date-ness is a bit fluctuating i think
19:57:37 <stalem> yeah, that's what i was worried about. a website with direct access to the db wouldn't have that problem, plus you'd gain the bonus of having a nice search feature
19:57:38 <oerjan> stalem: you can do some searching in the repository browser
19:57:51 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
19:58:00 <oerjan> stalem: try that last link hth
19:58:22 <stalem> hey nice i might be able to use that!
19:58:41 <stalem> oerjan to the rescue tdh
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21:30:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Doorspace]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44013 * Martin Büttner * (+235) Created page with "What an interesting language. :) Would you mind including a sentence about the significance of the alternative name "Qugord"? --~~~~"
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21:35:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44014&oldid=43966 * Rdococ * (+13) /* My esoteric programming languages */
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22:19:52 <izabera> Great repository names are short and memorable. Need inspiration? How about strident-rutabaga.
22:20:01 <izabera> thanks github that's exactly what i was looking for
22:22:49 <int-e> this-repo-name-is-neither-short-nor-whatwasit?
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22:34:19 <fizzie> Not just any rutabaga, a strident one.
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