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01:26:07 <zzo38> In today's Dungeons&Dragons session (with Kjugobe, not the new one) I used four items that had been in my inventory for some time and hadn't been used yet; these are an afro, nail clipper, beard clipper, and an IOU.
01:26:59 <zzo38> (All were used to help a prisoner to escape from prison so that he could help us; he is the only one who could anyways)
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01:49:43 <oren> new characters! ☉☊☋☌☍☎☏☭☮☯♈♉♊♋♌♍♎♏♐♑♒♓⟰⟱⇫⇬⇭⇮⇯⇰⇱⇲⇳⇴ѮѯѸѹѺѻ
01:51:17 <zzo38> Fixed in Unicode-mode (the xterm used for the IRC is in UTF-8 mode) can display all but two, it looks like.
01:52:38 <zzo38> I can see astrological signs as well as a few other symbols used in astrology, but also things on the right I do not know (perhaps the resolution is too small to figure out?)
01:56:26 <hppavilion[1]> I just switched to NeoLetters as my IRCing typeface
01:57:17 <oren> it's supposed to look techy
01:57:29 <oren> it does support hebrew though:
01:57:39 <hppavilion[1]> Like the kind of tech they would've used if they had invented computers in Biblical times
01:57:46 <oren> אבגדהוזחטיךכלםמן
01:57:46 <oren> נסעףפץצקרשתװױײ׳״
01:58:04 <zzo38> In case you want to study Bible, it is helpful to be able to write Hebrew with it too.
01:58:05 <hppavilion[1]> It'll come in handy with my "study" of Ancient Walrusian Mathematics
01:59:11 <hppavilion[1]> I'm switching to courrier new so my eyes don't bleed (from sheer beauty, that is)
01:59:26 <hppavilion[1]> What should the number system for Ancient Walrusian Mathematics be like?
01:59:35 <zzo38> I am using Fixed, the same font for IRC as for the UNIX shell
02:00:04 <hppavilion[1]> I'm not discussing numeric encoding. I'm discussing how the Ring should behave
02:00:31 <oren> Note that the version of neoletters on Fontstruct isn't as good as the one on my website. I do adjectments to the font metrics in font forge before uploading it
02:00:32 <hppavilion[1]> The Walrusians were a hyperintelligent race of Walruses. They were practically gods
02:01:19 <oren> in particular, Windows runs the letters together too much if I don't adject the font metrics
02:01:32 <oren> s/adject/adjust
02:01:34 <hppavilion[1]> I should stop saying "were," as the Walrusians kind of trancended our dimension and left our notions of time. "were" "are" and "will be" are meaningless when describing them unless discussing their history in this universe
02:02:06 <oren> the most current version is http://www.orenwatson.be/neolettersC.ttf
02:02:23 <hppavilion[1]> various kinds (such as /triangular/) quaternion matrices, no less
02:02:30 <zzo38> Yes, but in the kind of writing about time-travel and similar stuff like that, the language is not design to it and can be confusing!!!
02:03:40 <zzo38> oren: Can you please tell me what is the new characters? Some I can figure out but some I do not undertsand I hoped you would know what it means.
02:04:07 <hppavilion[1]> It's not time travel. It's trancendence of space and time into a sixteen-dimensional universe.
02:04:38 <zzo38> hppavilion[1]: I know it is not time travel, as you have already explained; what I meant is that the language is just as confusing (perhaps more so) than time travel
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02:06:55 <oren> zzo38: it is the hammer and sickle, the hippie sign, the yin-yang sign, the 12 zodiac signs, some astrological symbols, the black and white phones, some misc. arrows, and some cyrillic letters
02:07:48 <hppavilion[1]> There's no such thing as triangular matrices in human mathematics, is there?
02:08:02 <hppavilion[1]> Not like ones with zeroes in them to make it a triangle
02:08:14 <oren> I'm not sure if hippie sign is the correct name for ☮ but that's what i call it
02:09:00 <zzo38> Invent it, how is it multiply together?
02:09:20 <zzo38> It doesn't seem a matrix, a triangular matrix is a new kind of thing rather than a matrix
02:09:34 <zzo38> hppavilion[1]: Yes, but I don't mean by-element
02:09:46 <zzo38> OK, call it tritrix if you want to.
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02:10:08 <hppavilion[1]> I don't understand normal matrix multiplication, let alone am able to make up a new kind for a new thing xD
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02:10:19 <zzo38> Then learn normal matrix multiplication.
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02:16:18 <fowl> Net split means one of freenode servers disconnected from the others
02:16:39 <hppavilion[1]> And those are all the people who were on those servers?
02:16:45 <fowl> Those people are in a channel by themselves and it looks like everyone else netsplit
02:17:17 <hppavilion[1]> How do we know we aren't the ones in the channel by ourselves?
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02:18:09 <fowl> Depends on how many people you see get disconnected
02:18:39 <fowl> I've been in #ubuntu on a netsplit where 900/950 people vanished lol
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02:34:37 <zzo38> Even if you try to make a tensor product it look like it would leave gaps. Tratrix does not seem so useful or meaningful so much!
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02:37:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Folder]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44096&oldid=43944 * Rdococ * (+234) /* A Folder RPG */
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02:41:45 <zzo38> I had the idea too, and wanted to have a esolang or chess variant having such properties, but I do not know how.
02:43:09 <hppavilion[1]> I'm talking to a guy who experimented with Cellular Automata with it over on ##math
02:43:22 <hppavilion[1]> If you join you'll show up in time for the grand post
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03:10:46 <hppavilion[1]> Someone needs to make a programming language where Minecraft is an acceptable IDE
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03:26:53 <hppavilion[1]> We need a T language (T:topology::R:statistics&analysis)
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03:27:21 <zzo38> O, OK you can try to do it
03:27:30 <zzo38> Although for statistics I generally just use SQLite
03:28:05 <zzo38> (Although I had to write some extension to do such thing as calculating the median and so on; many statistical stuff is not built-in to SQLite)
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03:39:35 <zzo38> I still know of no graphics extensions for SQLite although I could write one that works by sixel graphics.
03:44:26 <oren_> zzo38: Probably more modern terminals would support the use of octxel graphics using unicode bralle
03:45:55 <zzo38> If you do not need colors then you could implement that too, although I intend to use sixel graphics (and do not normally use Unicode terminals)
03:46:53 <zzo38> It could be done by a SQL function that converts it I suppose, if you want to
03:49:21 <HackEgo> danddreclist 66: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
03:52:40 <zzo38> I would have design the game to make "Triangle of Magic" to be less unbalanced; by Triangle of Magic I mean: magic beats mundane, antimagic beats magic, mundane beats antimagic. (My character uses all three techniques.)
03:59:23 <zzo38> (And then there are artifacts, which beat everything.)
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04:04:26 <bender|> are objects on stack in underload strings?
04:09:47 <zzo38> In Underload they put only string in stack
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04:20:41 <zzo38> Oops, I must have accidentally deleted it
04:21:00 <zzo38> I will restore it from the backup and then retype the rest.
04:21:55 <zzo38> The backups are from July 14
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04:25:01 <zzo38> I found a undelete program but am unsure how to use it.
04:26:00 <zzo38> It is called "extundelete"
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04:29:21 <zzo38> Fortunately I still have these hard drives, as well as an external device to access them, and the power supply for them!
04:30:18 <doesthiswork> that gives me an idea for a linear language, each program is single use only. When it runs it deletes itself
04:31:52 <Sgeo__> It also kills the programmer to ensure they cannot type in the program again
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04:36:15 <zzo38> And most of it does not even have to be retyped, since I can just copy the text from the DVI
04:38:04 <bender|> in underload, during the concatenation operation, do the elements that were needed to be concatenated popped from stack?
04:38:58 <bender|> e.g.: (li)(fe)* (do the individual 'li' and 'fe' remain and 'life' is pushed to stack or are they popped out?)
04:39:23 <Sgeo__> http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2521
04:39:30 <zzo38> They are removed from the stack and the result is push to stack
04:48:30 <zzo38> OK, the file is now fully restored.
04:48:42 <zzo38> doesthiswork: Try again; it works now.
04:49:13 <zzo38> Does it work for you now?
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05:39:17 <zzo38> Did you read it? Do you like what it is written on here? Is there any mistake you could find, or any way to improve perhaps?
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07:03:48 <zzo38> Make the Magic: the Gathering card that can be of a type "instant creature"; I think it is then cast as instants but can have power/toughness and creature types, can be counted by Lhurgoyf, can use scavenge ability if it has any, etc.
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07:05:27 <shachaf> Mark Rosewater has said that he would make Instant work that way if he was redoing the game.
07:05:48 <shachaf> I.e. "instant creature", "instant sorcery", and so on. Rather than using the "flash" keyword.
07:06:09 <zzo38> That isn't what I mean
07:06:46 <zzo38> I mean it is played and then discarded, so it doesn't go into play, but still counts as a creature anyways
07:08:10 <zzo38> Some keyword abilities are only use for creatures or only use for some card types, but can be used with others as well even though it isn't, therefore we can make up the card that uses them otherwise anyways, or in other unusual way (such as tribute that doesn't check if the tribute isn't paid, and so on)
07:08:46 <shachaf> That's a bit like Evoke, I guess.
07:11:43 <zzo38> Dash on something with vanishing (whether or not a creature) is another thing
07:12:57 <shachaf> But in both of those cases the permanent enters the battlefield.
07:13:00 <zzo38> Combine tribute with unleash or undying; I think I have done this kind of thing too
07:13:07 <shachaf> You're proposing that it doesn't even enter the battlefield in the first place.
07:13:31 <zzo38> I did say that if a card has the type "instant creature" then it cannot enter the battlefield.
07:25:24 <zzo38> I also had idea, the epic version of Time Stop
07:25:52 <shachaf> What would the use of that be?
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07:27:26 <zzo38> Of course it stop you from attacking and so on, but how much is it worth what kind of mana cost it would then be?
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09:11:13 <myname> are there esoteric prigramming games besides bf joust and fyb?
09:46:15 <fizzie> BeGlad, but it only just barely exists.
09:46:22 <fizzie> Nobody knows much about it, either.
09:46:29 <fizzie> (Short for "Befunge Gladiators".)
09:47:04 <fizzie> Some might even consider regular Core War somewhat esoteric.
09:51:00 <myname> mind providing a link?
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09:54:18 <fizzie> What, about BeGlad? There's not really any links -- that's what I meant for barely existing. The Funge-98 spec has some tantalizing hints ('y' return value 9: "1 cell containing a unique team number for the current IP. Only significant for NetFunge, BeGlad, and the like." The archived Befunge FAQ from '97 has a short description: "BeGlad (Befunge Gladiators) is more like Core Wars; Programs ...
09:54:24 <fizzie> ... written in a modified version of Befunge-97 actually attack within Befunge-space itself, trying to force the other program to run out of processes and die."
09:54:30 <fizzie> Befunge '97 itself is kind of mysterious, too.
09:54:52 <fizzie> http://archive.is/RAzLK question 1.3.
09:55:00 <fizzie> It also mentions a "BefBots".
09:55:55 <fizzie> Yes, I think they're all lost in time, like tears in rain.
09:57:11 <fizzie> If cpressey visits the channel again, next time someone could ask them if they've got any material about this stuff.
09:57:40 <fizzie> Although maybe that's not very promising, given that even http://catseye.tc/node/Befunge-97 has no spec on file.
09:58:17 <myname> a befunge programming game would be great
09:58:35 <myname> i can't think of any reason this hasn't been picked up
10:01:54 <fizzie> There's also a Befunge-96, which was even less successful. Both '96 and '97 don't have that much presence in the webs.
10:02:23 <fizzie> One of them ('96?) had multithreading (in the Funge-98 style, with a list of IPs executing in lockstep) with a *shared stack*.
10:02:32 <fizzie> That probably would've been a nightmare to program.
10:03:23 <myname> i am tempted to build multithreading into rail
10:12:45 <mauris__> (maybe: befunge wars where you just try to trick the other program into terminating??)
10:13:45 <fizzie> The "obvious" core wars translation would be to stick both programs into same finite-sized (wrapping) playfield, and have them try to use g/p to put a @ executed by the other program.
10:14:09 <fizzie> Possibly tweaking g/p to use coordinates relative to either the instruction or the load offset of the program.
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10:22:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44099&oldid=19065 * Timwi * (+262) Question about while loops
10:37:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44100&oldid=44099 * Timwi * (+176) /* Ambiguity in while behaviour */
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10:55:32 <Deewiant> fizzie, myname: I have Befunge 97 and 96 specs of some kind.
10:55:56 <Deewiant> fizzie: archive.is remains blocked in Finland so I dislike your link.
10:58:05 <ashl> what's archive.is
10:58:34 <Deewiant> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.is
10:59:14 <fizzie> Deewiant: I blame Google, that's where the link was from.
11:02:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44101&oldid=31121 * Timwi * (+59) clarifications (according to approved interpreter)
11:03:49 <Deewiant> Tch, it's the only hit for "Befunge Mini-FAQ", too.
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11:04:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44102&oldid=44101 * Timwi * (+13) another clarification
11:05:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44103&oldid=44100 * Timwi * (+177) /* Reading from Stdin */
11:06:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44104&oldid=44102 * Timwi * (+29) another clarification
11:15:30 <fizzie> Deewiant: That was my own name for it, I think.
11:15:38 <fizzie> Deewiant: http://web.archive.org/web/20010417044912/http://cantor.res.cmu.edu/bozeman/befunge/beffaq.html
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12:05:09 <ashl> i don't understand why the finnish government would have a dispute with an archive service
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12:15:17 <mauris> probably the same reason india blocked pastebin
12:18:10 <mauris> say what you want about windows notepad as a text editor, but karmically it's totally in the green!
12:20:25 <Deewiant> ashl: I suspect the guy is confused or had a bad experience with an individual and overreacted
12:20:29 <lambdabot> http://forum.esolang.com/index.php?showtopic=3552
12:20:29 <lambdabot> Title: ����� � ����� ������� - ����� ...
12:21:37 <lambdabot> http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/esotericc
12:23:03 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
12:23:10 <lambdabot> What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
12:23:15 <lambdabot> activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
12:23:32 <lambdabot> karma provides: karma karma+ karma- karma-all
12:23:50 <lambdabot> You can't change your own karma, silly.
12:24:13 <fowl> @karma+ Virgolang
12:24:21 <mauris> @bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
12:25:35 <Virgolang> @bf +[----->+++<]>+.++++++++++++..----.[-->+<]>++.-----------..[--->+<]>.[--->+<]>----.----.---.-----------.+++++++++++++.-------.++++++++++++.+[++>---<]>.---[----->+<]>.+++.-----------.--[->+++<]>.++[--->++<]>+.+[->+++<]>+.++.--.----[->+++<]>.>+[--->++<]>.++++[->++++<]>+.+++++++++.-----------.++++++++.
12:26:06 <lambdabot> Control.Monad mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b]
12:26:06 <lambdabot> Control.Monad forM :: Monad m => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m [b]
12:26:06 <lambdabot> Data.Traversable mapM :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b)
12:26:16 <lambdabot> Try --help for command line options
12:27:25 <lambdabot> system provides: listchans listmodules listservers list echo uptime
12:27:31 <fowl> You have to fill out a form and submit it by fax or mail
12:28:19 <fowl> Standard form 102-A
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12:29:34 <lambdabot> activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
12:29:53 <lambdabot> pl provides: pointless pl pl-resume
12:30:03 <lambdabot> src <id>. Display the implementation of a standard function
12:30:10 <lambdabot> src <id>. Display the implementation of a standard function
12:30:13 <lambdabot> Source not found. Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?
12:30:15 <lambdabot> Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
12:30:22 <lambdabot> Source not found. Where did you learn to type?
12:30:33 <lambdabot> Source not found. Abort, Retry, Panic?
12:31:36 <lambdabot> Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen.
12:31:41 <lambdabot> Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
12:31:45 <lambdabot> Source not found. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly.
12:31:51 <lambdabot> Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus
12:31:55 <lambdabot> Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
12:32:12 <lambdabot> unlambda: Parse error at end of file
12:32:15 <lambdabot> unlambda: Parse error at end of file
12:32:18 <lambdabot> unlambda: Parse error at end of file
12:32:19 <lambdabot> unlambda: Parse error at end of file
12:32:22 <lambdabot> unlambda: Parse error at end of file
12:32:25 <fowl> Are you retarded?
12:32:49 <fowl> Why are you acting like a retarded
12:33:22 <fowl> You know what you should do? Try the same input over and over
12:33:45 <fowl> Yea do it. It will work eventually
12:33:55 <lambdabot> Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you!
12:33:58 <lambdabot> Source not found. Are you on drugs?
12:34:00 <lambdabot> Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon!
12:34:01 <lambdabot> Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
12:34:04 <lambdabot> Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen.
12:34:05 <lambdabot> Source not found. There are some things that I just don't know.
12:34:07 <lambdabot> Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen.
12:34:17 <fowl> It's just getting warmed up is all
12:34:23 <lambdabot> Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
12:34:25 <lambdabot> Source not found. It can only be attributed to human error.
12:34:25 <lambdabot> Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
12:34:26 <lambdabot> Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon!
12:34:27 <lambdabot> Source not found. Wrong! You cheating scum!
12:34:30 <lambdabot> Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing.
12:34:38 <lambdabot> Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon!
12:34:39 <lambdabot> Source not found. I feel much better now.
12:34:40 <lambdabot> Source not found. Just what do you think you're doing Dave?
12:34:40 <lambdabot> Source not found. I don't think I can be your friend on Facebook anymore.
12:34:41 <lambdabot> Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over.
12:34:42 <lambdabot> Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon!
12:34:43 <lambdabot> Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist!
12:34:44 <lambdabot> Source not found. I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
12:34:48 <lambdabot> Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
12:34:50 <lambdabot> Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen.
12:34:52 <lambdabot> Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
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12:37:42 * Virgolang slaps lambdabot around a bit with a large fishbot
12:37:52 <fowl> That would be badass and original. Go for it
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13:06:51 <Deewiant> http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/
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13:28:59 <Virgolang> virgo interpreter will be at #virgo
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13:34:42 <izabera> is there anyone here who lived in england in 1940?
13:36:12 <izabera> i need to know how much 100k pounds are worth today
13:36:34 <izabera> it's how much turing asks to build his machine in "the imitation game"
13:38:23 <oerjan> it is possible i lived in england in 1940, but i do not remember since it was before i was born hth
13:39:11 <oerjan> i recall there's some wikipedia feature to do such conversions...
13:40:04 <izabera> ha! found this http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html
13:40:40 <oerjan> i found this http://safalra.com/other/historical-uk-inflation-price-conversion/
13:40:48 <oerjan> i think safalra is an esolanger?
13:42:34 <oerjan> 3.8 million in 2013, it stopped there
13:43:33 <izabera> i'd just go back in time and give him a 300$ laptop
13:45:00 <oerjan> > (3957691.80/100000)**(1/(2016-1945))
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14:02:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Loader]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44105&oldid=44030 * SuperJedi224 * (+66) /* Interpreter */
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14:18:45 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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14:50:35 <HackEgo> [U+2642 MALE SIGN] [U+446D CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-446D]
14:51:09 <int-e> Ah, no character details.
14:51:44 <izabera> oren_: http://i.imgur.com/FSVg1EW.png
14:51:55 <int-e> (Mars; alchemical symbol for iron / war vessel; man-of-war; warship)
14:57:12 <fizzie> The other tool shows some technical data.
14:57:15 <HackEgo> U+2642 MALE SIGN \ UTF-8: e2 99 82 UTF-16BE: 2642 Decimal: ♂ \ ♂ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
14:57:24 <fizzie> But not the description either.
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16:11:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unreadable]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44106&oldid=44104 * Timwi * (+125) /* Interpreter */ Esoteric IDE now supports Unreadable. Tested with the examples on the Talk page as well as [http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/55870/668 this shorter Hello World].
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16:37:52 <ais523> hmm, the early days of bot development
16:38:07 <ais523> although normally you get "client quit" in response to every command, as opposed to "connection reset by peer"
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16:50:06 <zemhill> web.did_not_remember_to_test_this_interface: points -11.88, score 11.81, rank 46/47
16:50:29 <fizzie> (ais523 joining reminded me I didn't test that side at all after the restart.)
16:50:47 <ais523> it didn't even come last
16:51:26 <ais523> !zjoust knock_web_off_the_leaderboard (>)*8(>[+++[-]])*21
16:51:27 <zemhill> ais523.knock_web_off_the_leaderboard: points -7.67, score 14.55, rank 46/47
16:51:48 <ais523> I actually thought that would score more, although I expected it to be a long way down
16:51:56 <ais523> I guess the leaderboard is full of programs that are actually competent
16:52:16 <fizzie> That's the problem a long-running hill faces, I guess.
16:52:25 <ais523> I don't really consider it a problem
16:52:33 <ais523> I seem to remember that there used to be more churn at the bottom, thoguh
16:52:36 <fizzie> I think someone suggested a separate "beginner" hill that's less demoralizing.
16:52:51 <ais523> so that submitting something that hasn't been popular in a long while would come like 10 spaces from the end
16:53:03 <ais523> !zjoust vibration (-)*127(-+)*100000
16:53:03 <zemhill> ais523.vibration: points -12.31, score 10.96, rank 47/47
16:53:20 <fizzie> Yes, I think that used to be the case.
16:53:28 <ais523> hmm, did I mess something up there?
16:54:00 <ais523> it does in fact get plenty of wins
16:55:10 <ais523> and ofc anticipation2, which is the "clever" version of the same idea, is doing just fine on that hill IIRC
16:56:23 <fizzie> Total score from the breakdown summaries is -517 out of [-1932, 1932], so it's not at all bad.
16:59:26 <ais523> I was fearing that the hill had gotten overcentralize
16:59:41 <ais523> but every time I fear that, either I discover I'm wrong, or else I find some way to exploit what everyone else is doing
16:59:54 <ais523> (growth2, for example, is definitely an "exploit what everyone else is doing" program)
17:03:32 <fizzie> Incidentally, I gave some thought on turning the visualizations into client-side d3.js-or-something stuff, because that would allow the "shows only top 7 programs because it would look messy otherwise" plots to be sufficiently interactive to have a program-select-o-tron.
17:05:14 <fizzie> Also I did one of the least useful things imaginable, and switched out the protocol spoken by the 'gearlanced' binary that does the "manage a hill with minimal re-parsing/-compilation of programs" thing.
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17:28:26 <oren_> So how does arabic fonts even work?
17:29:15 <oren_> Does it simply display Alif at the start of a word by looking up the glyph for initial taf?
17:29:20 <oren_> Does it simply display Alif at the start of a word by looking up the glyph for initial alif?
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17:29:55 <virgobot> Virgo Interpreter (version 0 beta).
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17:30:25 <virgobot> Virgo Interpreter (version 0 beta).
17:30:43 <virgobot> Virgo Interpreter commands: bf (not implemented)
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17:32:42 <izabera> what version was it anyway?
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18:04:44 <oren_> ᴬᴭᴮᴯᴰᴱᴲᴳᴴᴵᴶᴷᴸᴹᴺᴻᴼᴽᴾᴿᵀᵁᵂᵃᵄᵅᵆᵇᵈᵉᵊᵋᵌᵍᵎᵏᵐᵑᵒᵓᵔᵕᵖᵗᵘᵙᵚᵛᵜᵝᵞᵟᵠᵡ
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21:13:55 <hppavilion[1]_> @tell fuinho_doido I have no clue what kind of search that is. Why did you ask me?
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22:19:48 <oren_> I added charatcers like ﺱﺲﺳﺴﺵﺶﺷﺸﺹﺺﺻﺼﺽﺾﺿﻀﻁﻂﻃﻄﻅﻆﻇﻈ
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22:25:23 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: since ordinary rings are distributive, i think walrusian rings should be hoarding hth
22:30:08 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: There will be various things in Walrusian Mathematics. Walrusians love strange things.
22:32:40 <HackEgo> D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them.
22:32:44 <shachaf> i was going to ask oerjan about the new canon
22:33:56 <oerjan> i haven't got past the introduction yet, i was already ridiculously backlogged with my common websites and i seem to have redeveloped an addiction to tatham's loopy
22:34:30 <oerjan> so don't expect me to read it very speedily
22:35:32 <shachaf> hmm, tatham was the person with cross-platform games, right?
22:35:38 <oerjan> i've just got to the part where he explains clearly and elaborately that it's not in greyscale for any price reasons
22:35:41 <shachaf> which he wrote in c or something and compiled to javascript?
22:35:59 <oerjan> shachaf: yeah there's a ton of backends
22:35:59 <shachaf> why would you read the text that isn't surrounded by pictures tdnh
22:37:00 <zzo38> You might also compile C codes into native codes; if the source-codes are provided you can try to compile into whatever
22:37:56 <shachaf> the orange county police department is making you do it?
22:37:56 <hppavilion[1]> Strings? Done already. Numbers? That was the first one.
22:38:14 <shachaf> oerjan: did you play Velocity Raptor?
22:38:17 <shachaf> http://www.testtubegames.com/velocityraptor.html
22:38:55 <zzo38> I have invented QUACKVM to do some cross-platform Minesweeper and some other game stuff, but currently the only implementation is in C and might work only on Linux with xterm; you can make up your own implementation for others if you want to; all of it is public domain
22:39:54 <zzo38> If you can think of how to make Elemental Algebra then you can try and see if it work please.
22:40:19 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: I'm looking for something interesting to base an algebra on
22:41:01 <oerjan> shachaf: i think i shall pass
22:41:30 <zzo38> hppavilion[1]: I cannot think of it right now, but in past I might have done.
22:41:31 <shachaf> the only thing that reminded me of that game is that you get the point after n levels but there are n+k levels
22:41:41 <zzo38> (And possibly in future I can remember too)
22:41:41 <shachaf> and for completionist reasons i played the whole thing, and it was scow
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22:42:04 <oerjan> zzo38: there are native backends too
22:42:49 <zzo38> oerjan: Yes, if there are just the C library that does it, use the header file and then it can do, look like another way too.
22:44:51 <oerjan> there's a middle-end, and you can make frontends (new games) or backends for it
22:45:22 <Virgolang> to use it, /msg virgolang &py <code>
22:47:15 <zzo38> Shut it off yourself then if they won't
22:47:53 <oerjan> i see hppavilion[1] doesn't believe in Virgolang's sandboxing skills
22:48:36 <zzo38> You could easily test it though, and then see if it work or not.
22:49:02 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: well no one's managed to break HackEgo irrevocably yet
22:49:10 <lambdabot> KOAK 072153Z 29008KT 10SM FEW250 32/07 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP115 T03170072
22:49:52 <oerjan> although i think i once accidentally froze it
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22:51:31 <oerjan> and lambdabot is also sandboxed, after all the haskell exploits we found in the last year
22:51:55 <oerjan> (it used to try to depend on haskell's type safety)
22:52:18 <lambdabot> git clone https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot
22:52:33 <oerjan> int-e: why doesn't it say which ghc version it uses tdnh
22:52:47 <oerjan> also why are you idle so early in the night
22:52:56 <hppavilion[1]> We could try to invent an esoteric algebra which is based on something esoteric for use in languages
22:53:28 <oerjan> we should have had oklopol here, he used to talk about weird algebras like loops
22:53:48 <oerjan> oklopol: you're not secretly here, are you?
22:54:41 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: the question here quickly becomes whether you want something that can actually be sensibly and logically implemented, or something that's pure imaginary fantasy
22:55:10 <oerjan> i think that rules out people hth
22:56:43 <hppavilion[1]> What should the elements of the ring/rig/rng/whatever that the Algebra implements be?
22:57:27 <hppavilion[1]> Probably already been done. Shit I'm overusing vertical space
23:04:09 <hppavilion[1]> So... an algebra for parsing the same way Kleene Algebra is the algebra for lexing?
23:15:07 <oerjan> @tell bender| <bender|> are objects on stack in underload strings? <-- nominally, although that's not necessarily the most efficient implementation
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23:56:50 <lambdabot> hoogle <expr>. Haskell API Search for either names, or types.
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