< 1442016141 138399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still like 20 square metres for everyone. < 1442016156 412178 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1442016162 537498 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't deserve /space/ < 1442016166 641893 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway my fear of big cities is less about their density and more about the idea that you can start walking not see countryside for ages < 1442016189 434745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even here in York I live like 10 minutes away from some form of farm < 1442016195 352329 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to test something. Stand by for a single message consisting entirely of 'w's < 1442016204 863712 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1442016205 52853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1442016213 790317 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1442016219 478164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuh < 1442016225 487047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: FAIL < 1442016229 913131 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was split into two messages < 1442016239 11420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1442016241 98143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1442016242 627171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: My temporary apartment was within sight of the Vauxhall City Farm. < 1442016247 956327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a CTCP VERSION? < 1442016248 133883 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alfyqgnwaplbeevj JOIN :#esoteric < 1442016259 447009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it asks you what your irc client is < 1442016262 845459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442016267 797152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that hardly counts < 1442016271 419602 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could'a just asked < 1442016275 857685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: They say it's countryside. < 1442016278 989076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "Vauxhall City Farm is a little piece of the countryside in central London." < 1442016292 85687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use irssi, which has a script you can enable for splitting. beats getting lines cut off. < 1442016298 376715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You get "all the sights, sounds and smells of rural life". < 1442016345 998859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there real farms inside M25? < 1442016396 818125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are. < 1442016459 841529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: York would be the fifth biggest city in Finland by population, if it were in Finland. < 1442016473 66131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And counting #1, #2 and #4 separately is a lie.) < 1442016485 592926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can name maybe 2 cities in Finland < 1442016492 117251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think is more than most people I know < 1442016557 170237 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The UK notion of "countryside" must be very different from the US notion. :) < 1442016588 279596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know the UK notion, but I know there's multiple FI notions depending on who you ask. < 1442016631 35329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take about 12 hours I think to cross London from the M25 to the M25 through the centre < 1442016639 205999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could'a just asked <-- oh come on, i'm a nerd, i don't speak to people if i can ask a machine instead (cue for someone pasting counterexample) < 1442016640 717232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For York and the A64, it'd take about 2 < 1442016657 947727 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course < 1442016668 361657 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fungot that we're all nerds here xD < 1442016668 593917 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: implement a solution to the problem from a much fnord style of channel for a while < 1442016723 902238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melbourne I find terrifying and I have lived there < 1442016765 912857 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442016800 173866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the greater Helsinki area, it would take about 3 and a half hours for "Ring I", and 8 hours for "Ring III", although they're all just semicircles thanks to the coast. < 1442016807 690793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is no Ring II.) < 1442016835 574433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a little bit of it, but it's mostly just a straight segment. < 1442016848 308362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume Helsinki and Espoo are two of the three, but which is the last one? < 1442016859 383034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Vantaa, which is #4. < 1442016906 465050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See: the former Helsinki-Vantaa airport, nowadays only Helsinki Airport, because it's just confusing to mention Vantaa.) < 1442016969 369845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Wikipedia infobox title is truthful, it still has both cities in the Finnish and Swedish names, and they only dropped it from the English one. < 1442016990 563391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest civilian airport to York is Leeds-Bradford < 1442017062 22964 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442017080 828944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: York would be the third largest city by population in norway, displacing trondheim < 1442017093 610617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the local place names here, they sound much fancier than ours. < 1442017100 618923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't exactly make it big! < 1442017104 919497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bognor Regis", especially. < 1442017105 97075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where are you? < 1442017107 972319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442017109 345041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In London. < 1442017124 336695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I hear Bognor Regis as a final train destination at Victoria Station quite often. < 1442017144 194919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're like a single train ride from York! < 1442017197 516279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to Blackpool and Liverpool soonishly to meet with my wife's mother. That's up there about a Yorkish distance away, although with a slightly different direction. < 1442017224 678941 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also a single train ride from York < 1442017293 141077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bognor regis sounds like a harry potter spell < 1442017338 139581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a place that I hear as Hexham in the announcements, but which probably isn't Hexham. < 1442017347 165272 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wouldn't be < 1442017351 12176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrexham, maybe? < 1442017366 989775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can get to Hexham from Carlisle, Newcaste, Glasgow, and I think Middlesborough) < 1442017391 537581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middlesborough sounds very average < 1442017409 723287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find a list of trains from Victoria, but the live departure boards aren't very useful at this time of day. < 1442017417 144052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's called that because it was founded at the midpoint between two monastaries < 1442017427 576723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, makes sense < 1442017477 981389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Wikipedia. < 1442017503 660677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Middlesbrough Priory was a priory in Middlesbrough" < 1442017517 324225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Epsom, maybe I could be mishearing that in the noisy hall. < 1442017519 650397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty much all the article on Middlesbrough priory says < 1442017527 977942 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be < 1442017545 503601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a train to Crystal Palace, which is another impressive-sounding name. < 1442017604 572121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to Dorking, which I'd assume people make bad jokes about. < 1442017629 3317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crystal Palace was a building built for a World's Fair, iirc < 1442017639 14805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It burnt down at some point, something is telling me 1913 < 1442017652 228681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to Reading, with its unexpected pronunciation, from Clapham Junction. < 1442017654 352472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1936, I had the wrong world war < 1442017661 161988 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Middlesex is home to people of average gender. < 1442017680 3156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would be correct < 1442017926 307945 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will go to bed now < 1442017964 307919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1442018052 368080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good idea. < 1442018146 602843 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442018153 775868 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1442018177 902714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Bjarne_ < 1442018182 503731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Bjarne_: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1442018262 383953 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, does anything actually happen in here? < 1442018281 980341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sporadically. < 1442018295 948647 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442018304 581243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess mostly off-topic things? < 1442018316 872733 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1442018336 329141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually joined just as one of the main talkers went to bed < 1442018343 278433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still claim the odds of esolangery happening are above the natural background levels. < 1442018349 732657 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well that's kinda funny. < 1442018370 333261 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy esolangery, occasionally. < 1442018380 916610 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't built a language in a while though. < 1442018466 143443 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If- I remember, the last language I built was something stack-based. < 1442018502 417341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for "does anything actually happen", we do have hard data on that: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ < 1442018555 954565 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I see that the peak of activity was in early 2012. < 1442018586 682483 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, so this place has been around since 2003? < 1442018593 90655 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1442018618 627010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late 2002, yes. < 1442018626 570001 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1442018657 177703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:44 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Registered : Jan 03 01:30:22 2003 (12y 36w 2d ago) < 1442018696 808746 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do @ ping notifications work here? < 1442018710 123988 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come from a world of Stack Exchange chat, so that's what I'm used to. < 1442018755 284148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally people say "target: Foo." if they're talking to someone who's currently online, or use lambdabot's "@tell target Something." feature if they're not. < 1442018778 862903 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks. < 1442018784 595761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most clients highlight the first form, and the second one will cause lambdabot to bother them later.) < 1442018816 656782 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. I'm very new to IRC < 1442018907 19473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact lambdabot is a main reason for _not_ using @nick style here < 1442018920 141719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Bjarne_ <-- demonstration < 1442018920 322893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1442018932 347768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ping < 1442018940 338732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as defense, i think lambdabot is older than both SO and twitter < 1442018942 588482 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1442018942 767744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1442018954 651618 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Combined? < 1442018961 78044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1442018968 399423 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, there's a new person! < 1442018976 280743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to look it up but lambdabot was 10 years just the other week < 1442019008 841969 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1442019043 424543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wikipedia's "Comparison of Internet Relay Chat bots" (a) doesn't contain fungot, but (b) lists "?" as lambdabot's "First public release - date". < 1442019043 602078 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so i guess < 1442019056 345032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So you guess you should go and edit the page? < 1442019056 625673 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it runs through all of them? with two ports on the mainboard? :s < 1442019061 527601 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't get too used to using 3 laptops at once < 1442019070 315679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not combined. and twitter is older than i thought, but still not quite as old as lambdabot. < 1442019079 788651 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't fungot editing the page violate WP:NPOV? < 1442019080 165569 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i love when " faq" doesn't mean " cleaner", somehow, in what system, and in perl do something like < 1442019084 974280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also be a terrible idea in general) < 1442019097 153644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1442019097 373465 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1442019103 98728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Talk Wikipedia to me. < 1442019103 853653 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: forbidding polish language is more appropriate, or at least present a scientifically evident reason for this is the same as ' ' cavalrymen" were frequently fnord in ancient wars. the timeline had just grown too long, so it fnord past the network censors. in popular use, ", because it isn't neutral because of the passage of time. < 1442019121 713906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yeah, seems that it isn't neutral. < 1442019127 516860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we could still forbid Polish. < 1442019133 758785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i'm going by lambdabot's registration date < 1442019134 254983 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wp seems heavy on fnord. < 1442019134 723192 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ok, i can assure you that all the language material should be somewhere. what do the rest of them are fnord/ fte, or larger than fnord fnord ( user fnord) 20:32, 29 december 2007 ( utc) < 1442019136 716665 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems legit. < 1442019149 808098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Bad data preprocessing, mostly. < 1442019175 656160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and maybe bad training parameters too, but things like signatures really should've been cleaned up. < 1442019194 486033 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's better to look things up in an appropriate book on openlibrary < 1442019208 116580 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :than on wikipedia < 1442019250 644647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!SuperPrime14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44140&oldid=44138 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+102) 10 < 1442019339 788052 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1442019342 623045 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1442019372 452560 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1442019392 151741 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego anounces whenver someone changes the wiki < 1442019416 849124 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's really helpful. < 1442019421 357029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think forbidding polish language might be historically insensitive hth < 1442019510 376349 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye bye < 1442019512 620439 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1442019566 163255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they could get someone else's language as compensation. < 1442019722 516257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def < 1442019722 732726 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai < 1442019728 587017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's cute < 1442019750 86729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think the last time, they got either german or russian < 1442019762 828511 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442019763 100912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. (re ^def) < 1442019776 973195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it in the logs < 1442019785 738137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, the builtins are triggered only by the command name and a space. < 1442019796 189914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442019799 77091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those of them that take an argument. < 1442019801 564956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show def < 1442019801 742562 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hai)S < 1442019804 30149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1442019821 352444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/take/can take/ < 1442019877 433859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do the same for ^str, ^bf, ^ul. < 1442019955 472942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some owner-only commands, like ^raw, ^code -- those would become user-defined commands that you can only execute without input, because otherwise they'd trigger the builtin, which would just ignore it. < 1442020174 468598 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def bf (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S < 1442020174 646068 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def < 1442020180 705874 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def bf bf (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S < 1442020180 883484 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020183 218431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf < 1442020189 88090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1442020193 550228 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1442020202 631394 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def bf ul (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S < 1442020202 810050 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020205 931934 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf < 1442020206 113174 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -- evaluates brainfuck < 1442020209 128100 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy < 1442020507 859519 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442020515 78406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul < 1442020517 672873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ul ul (^ul -- evaluates Underload) < 1442020517 853847 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020519 777541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul < 1442020530 115405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ul ul (^ul -- evaluates Underload)S < 1442020530 294616 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020533 453555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul < 1442020533 634351 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul -- evaluates Underload < 1442020585 793739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may have displaced the brainfuck ul interp, but you couldn't use it anyway, and maybe it was already lost. < 1442020607 362890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't interfer with other bots <-- it wasn't eir fault this time, athenabot is just stupid < 1442020618 846100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway even when you could use it the time limits hardly let you do anything with it. < 1442020620 440572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1442020637 539717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1442020637 718839 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1442020694 324832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it reacts to _any_ url, without any prefix. < 1442020708 534026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kicked it once before < 1442020712 860357 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is indeed pretty stupid < 1442020755 524333 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442020800 348352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1442020800 528433 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf < 1442020823 505547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 fungot < 1442020823 686674 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shatbg < 1442020830 838319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1442020833 904154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's better hth < 1442020835 606808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not run out of room < 1442020849 485780 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I remember to add my bf interpreter to the wiki? < 1442020863 187016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember whether you did < 1442020896 39588 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even unusual ones like ? < 1442020898 757793 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one that works by fucking with the stack in an entirely illegel way) < 1442020915 937029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so when does belkar show up to heroically and uncharacteristically sacrifice himself < 1442020916 629564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok the "any" was more for position in the line < 1442020946 964654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: erm excuse me i haven't read oots yet since i haven't got to that part in the logs my being backlogged keeps escalating < 1442020952 351452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that uri scheme irks me hth < 1442020984 966142 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping possessed Durkon is going down soon < 1442020989 212532 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe, but it's quite valid. If not quite standard because there isn't a registered one for IRC-over-SSL, just for plain IRC. < 1442021017 74702 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm < 1442021017 566586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was just a pun ok < 1442021041 775069 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urn:pun-opinion:grumble%20grumble < 1442021070 642502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed some fun puns in channels you aren't in hth < 1442021425 165044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, grumble it's the weekend, how food. < 1442021504 899710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was that summoned weasel a thing, it somehow rings a bell < 1442021527 45532 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did have that bag o' tricks way back < 1442021527 564246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bag of tricks hth < 1442021573 119929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0144.html < 1442021622 283483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also e.g. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0443.html < 1442021636 120098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44141&oldid=43113 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+247) 10Added mine to list. < 1442021905 465356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it < 1442022178 314009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi new person < 1442022267 773601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've been around a while, at least the nick looks familiar < 1442022305 632340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, but they clearly said in the logs that they're new hth < 1442022342 554554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means it has to be true, or you could have your cake and eat it too < 1442022343 119895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am new < 1442022349 92043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwh < 1442022405 865557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi other new person < 1442022516 274265 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jeeze, the Indian place I found near here that I quite like has a lunch buffet. < 1442022521 780344 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is dangerous knowledge. < 1442022534 385974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which place? < 1442022539 678969 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great India Cuisine. < 1442022546 633002 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Indian < 1442022561 854551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name's not much, but so far I've been quite pleased. < 1442022589 69782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you kidding? The name's great! < 1442022600 822778 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1442022612 496085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, my impression is the name is accurate, so. < 1442022655 647637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you have any mules today? < 1442022657 147270 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442022658 617330 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1442022674 803543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard there was a thing. < 1442022685 599944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was, but I missed it. < 1442022711 346159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a Finnish mule. < 1442023575 450252 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-59-250-137.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442024377 468514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442024518 28460 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1442024582 256144 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeff Atwood aka CodingHorror got fed up with the people on theDailyWtf criticizing and filing bugs to his forum software, discourse. < 1442024624 296829 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He proceeded to ban everyone from TheDailyWtf from posting on the Meta.d discourse forum < 1442024660 522088 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now TheDailyWtf is deciding what forum doftwre to migrate to < 1442024743 235643 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea there were so many people who take insults to their code personally < 1442024758 921683 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442024821 642179 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/how-can-this-be-so-wrong/51117 <-- record of the drama < 1442025450 657402 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-59-250-137.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1442026107 496166 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442026273 821390 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442026394 965447 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alfyqgnwaplbeevj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1442027058 209441 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:a5:6f4e:d3:9669 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442027387 75763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Sleep < 1442028544 949000 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442028906 519625 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:a5:6f4e:d3:9669 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442029440 462447 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442029666 92591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1442030703 670282 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1442030704 401322 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442030745 700841 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1442030745 879280 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442030787 884850 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442031115 86691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other player have filled up their character sheets now, one aasimar and one drow; the player of the drow character wrote "Classified" as the alignment < 1442032670 116569 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442032988 754718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442033134 192037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like any of those URI schemes for IRC though < 1442033196 428414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be or whatever host/port/channel/etc; the channel name is not a fragment identifier and you may want to point to stuff other than channels too < 1442033235 811826 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: irc://irc.freenode.net:6666/esoteric is valid, as is irc://irc.freenode.net:6666/zzo38,isnick < 1442033289 817812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442033361 412350 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442033414 803832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one doesn't specify the channel prefix either, and there are other problems. Also some program seem to use it inconsistently; I have seen some places where the scheme is used that have the # and some that don't < 1442033484 501489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't like that syntax for nicknames either) < 1442033520 443433 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442033550 402249 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442033874 202428 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442033901 240679 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in freenode / can be part of a channel's name < 1442033922 623846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should percent-encode it then, in my opinion, if making up the URI. < 1442033932 418623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Percentage signs also need to be percent-encoded) < 1442033968 403893 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442033972 968085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's also valid to percent encode it. < 1442033987 156310 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percent encoding is a part of the generic URI syntax, at least. < 1442034025 344188 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The scheme specifies that if you don't specify a channel prefix you assume #. < 1442034037 565695 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, I agree, the syntax does use URI pretty poorly. < 1442034063 607964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc://irc.freenode.net/channel/%23esoteric feels more... correct. < 1442034070 759986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I agree < 1442034134 586924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be irc://[username[:password]@][host[:port]]/[path][?parameter][#part] like normal URI should be < 1442034141 855174 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want/need the /channel part? < 1442034151 286052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you should < 1442034164 497664 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To distinguish between the server and an individual user on the server. < 1442034167 351189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used /join/ instead of /channel/ but that's another way) < 1442034178 565064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, or help files or other stuff < 1442034198 166551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc://irc.freenode.net/nick/zzo38?msg=Oh%20hai or some such < 1442034225 711720 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with %23 would be enough to distinguish a chan from a user < 1442034285 4061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes, if it started with the encoded # or & or + or ! that means a channel and otherwise a nickname is one way, but it doesn't help in case you want to refer to help file and so on as well, I believe < 1442034329 572193 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably in the protocol you could have a prefixless channel. < 1442034336 197652 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prefixes are just a convention. < 1442034348 161226 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that'd collide with users. < 1442034369 842685 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as one PRIVMSGs both channels and users) < 1442034462 989437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help file? < 1442034505 94743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are help files on the server too, for many commands as well as to list what mode flags it accepts < 1442034537 24867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example HELP UMODE lists the possible modes you can set on yourself) < 1442037421 619446 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442037979 816108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442038860 430788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What level(s) and/or other suggestion/complaints to make this spell? http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/spell/magic_ink < 1442038950 177717 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac JOIN :#esoteric < 1442038990 543754 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring for lambda is just ^ right or did it change < 1442039042 790473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific? < 1442039173 215454 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :^2 < 1442039176 615210 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1442039187 720647 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^3/4+1 < 1442039190 358948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1442039196 508666 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks m8 < 1442039319 86932 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {34,67,80}/7^(3)+8 < 1442039320 508173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘{’ < 1442039355 450233 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubted it could to the calculator brackets < 1442039357 619921 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :uwu < 1442039384 740990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Haskell; for lists you need square brackets, although I don't think you can divide a list by a number anyways. < 1442039412 996527 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think so < 1442039441 617073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap (\x -> x/7^(3)+8) [34,67,80] < 1442039443 245529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [8.099125364431487,8.19533527696793,8.2332361516035] < 1442039452 36465 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1442039477 486491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [34,67,80]/7^(3)+8 < 1442039479 318190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0) < 1442039479 496145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M544953426060485496931545’ < 1442039479 496230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1442039519 126545 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [34,67,80]/7^3+8 < 1442039520 804172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0) < 1442039520 990135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M207693433857803641131569’ < 1442039520 990202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1442039531 334296 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill try that with something later < 1442039546 47824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's wrong; you need to use fmap or other stuff like that. < 1442039559 979411 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1442039574 464883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What answer are you expecting? < 1442039609 927647 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 67 , 0 ] 8 < 1442039610 609503 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: 67 8 < 1442039734 996940 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks j-bot < 1442039770 292114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you want it to do? < 1442039829 247591 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1442039855 594002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Haskell programming? < 1442039881 641172 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't doing haskell < 1442039905 174569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdabot is doing Haskell though < 1442039953 715007 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION half heartedly shakes fist at lambdabot < 1442039958 290375 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I see now < 1442039980 933710 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just seperating some stacks and I needed the precise number close to [ 67 , 0 ] 8 but I didn't know if I was getting it right < 1442040002 703350 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damnit I closed my window < 1442040241 225014 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm goodnight < 1442040245 262262 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1442041341 82135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found what I believe to be a judge's mistake in a 1999 FRC round < 1442041375 256457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :frc? < 1442041400 603561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later: < 1442041400 783893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just found a horrible problem with this rule. If Frconium is Tier 16, and you mix it with an Tier 1 element in extreme proporions, you should get (by 126:11) the @ version of an element on Tier 15. But according to this rule there is no Tier 15! Unless or until someone points out a flaw in this reasoning, I will have to change my Judgement on this to INVALID. < 1442041449 240300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flaw in that reasoning: Tier 1 elements, when mixed in extreme proportion, do NOT result in @ versions of elements, as noted in the validity notes for 11 < 1442041452 206673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sir-toby.com/nomic-archives/frc/round126.txt < 1442041490 300381 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nomic ok < 1442042413 298040 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442043764 394717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442043965 751960 :kallisti_!~adam@h68.164.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442044044 868133 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442044141 926424 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442045571 579145 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-103-11.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442047226 713576 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442047245 786601 :bender|_!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442047315 531205 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-112-17.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442047461 548683 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-103-11.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442047474 908551 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-112-17.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442047657 716239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fission14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44142&oldid=43098 5* 0373.21.237.245 5* (+63) 10Added categories < 1442047700 903708 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1442048225 396360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1442048227 419969 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442049087 507348 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-112-17.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442049343 879877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442049775 502227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm reading something explaining the usage of an option/maybe type < 1442049805 268793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives as an example a function that divides two numbers, except it returns the "no value" option if the divisor is 0 < 1442049820 510300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and immediately thought "but what if someone does INT_MIN / -1?" < 1442050100 666644 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442050251 457804 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-139.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442050442 240775 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442050790 543555 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442051485 281692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44143&oldid=44135 5* 03109.240.117.169 5* (+0) 10Undo revision 44135 by [[Special:Contributions/108.53.252.27|108.53.252.27]] ([[User talk:108.53.252.27|talk]]) < 1442052597 828063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.8 * 73 < 1442052599 154544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 58.400000000000006 < 1442053111 738501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1442053111 954242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1442053128 292779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1442053128 470341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ackbar says: it's a trap! < 1442053346 495637 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442053431 293600 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442053784 463970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that value for 0.8*73 looks suspect to me < 1442053812 311981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how easy it is to get binary floating point calculations to produce exact results in decimal < 1442053824 23898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: ah, I see you've added more characters < 1442053824 757518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you track error, and then if there's a short decimal representation within your error radius, you use that < 1442054910 80210 :bender|_!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1442054980 199884 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442054997 319873 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442055088 293632 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442056512 588834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058544 520296 :bender|_!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058604 439711 :bender|_!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 NICK :bender| < 1442058614 458132 :bender|!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 QUIT :Changing host < 1442058614 649296 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058651 583705 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1442058696 702447 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058856 872530 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.194.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058987 580046 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-230-137.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442059068 454788 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442059081 209286 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.194.113 NICK :Virgolang < 1442059083 462402 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-139.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442059086 885189 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-230-137.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442059090 280410 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.194.113 QUIT :Changing host < 1442059090 461911 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442061459 905568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44144&oldid=42643 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+251) 10 < 1442061831 722874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442062487 746489 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442062828 580544 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442062934 520215 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-230-137.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1442062942 936651 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442063181 333169 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1442063251 519497 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442063284 145360 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442064669 453387 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442065785 306731 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442065921 626669 :Virgolang__!~Virgolang@94.123.199.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442065965 859532 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442066086 266834 :Virgolang__!~Virgolang@94.123.199.54 NICK :Virgolang < 1442066089 873319 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442066101 962680 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.199.54 QUIT :Changing host < 1442066102 143872 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442066103 303086 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442066334 400462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44145&oldid=44136 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-19) 10 < 1442066353 18628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44146&oldid=43369 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+19) 10 < 1442066527 965940 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442066822 411421 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442067951 500458 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442067987 682940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44147&oldid=44036 5* 03Timwi 5* (+447) 10Parsons Green < 1442068036 159670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44148&oldid=44147 5* 03Timwi 5* (+27) 10formatting < 1442068110 576210 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442068216 340406 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 NICK :Virgolang < 1442068228 724931 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 QUIT :Changing host < 1442068228 917465 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442068303 637407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44149&oldid=44148 5* 03Timwi 5* (+113) 10move the single-operand instructions down so they’re not intermingled with the binary operators < 1442068540 393398 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442068550 781749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44150&oldid=44149 5* 03Timwi 5* (+142) 10/* Execution */ Caveat < 1442068600 414487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44151&oldid=44150 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10sp. Also, I changed the semantics of the start of the program in a previous edit and sneakily marked it as minor! Sorry! < 1442068827 994886 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442068973 826873 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44152&oldid=44151 5* 03Timwi 5* (+12) 10mildly important < 1442069092 75414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44153&oldid=44152 5* 03Timwi 5* (+59) 10clarify what “return” means < 1442069202 920688 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appends "1!" to his password in order to make it fulfill the requirements. < 1442069245 808419 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1442069292 386933 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of those Password Policies which required users to change their password every couple of weeks < 1442069331 438859 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put a counter on the end of my password which i incremented every time < 1442069904 476844 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442069938 514043 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a base 36 counter < 1442069983 172434 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas yes I added devanagari and some arabic and more cyrillic < 1442069983 172523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1442070020 129346 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i;m working on armenian < 1442070168 548757 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442071280 249420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When defining stuff that uses division I have also considered INT_MIN / -1 < 1442071330 575746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, QUACKVM specifies undefined behaviour in that case (also division by zero is not undefined; it will be reported to the program). < 1442071474 164007 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we define negation as flipping the bits then adding one, the answer to -INT_MIN is INT_MIN. < 1442071530 201500 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 4-bit ints: ~1000 = 0111 0111+1 = 1000 < 1442071603 256079 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a well deisgned program should probably avoid numbers near the edges of the representable range though < 1442071901 789905 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442071906 342893 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442072259 2030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44154&oldid=44153 5* 03Timwi 5* (-8) 10/* Execution */ < 1442072290 928999 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have sometimes considered using ones-complement instead < 1442072476 475910 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1442073050 232548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [minBound, -minBound] :: [Int] < 1442073052 20004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-9223372036854775808,-9223372036854775808] < 1442073062 137505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: checks out < 1442073616 3928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound / -1 :: Int < 1442073619 28104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1442073619 206079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘/’ [infixl 7] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same infi... < 1442073632 514357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound / (-1) :: Int < 1442073634 604437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Fractional Int) arising from a use of ‘/’ < 1442073634 782448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: minBound / (- 1) :: Int < 1442073658 744448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> div minBound (-1) :: Int < 1442073660 995001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: arithmetic overflow < 1442073771 443555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :div probably checks for this case and errors out without dividing ... I wonder if you can use unboxed ints in lambdabot < 1442073966 501945 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442074032 687190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1442074040 199431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1442074088 350335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> if True then error "test" else 1# < 1442074089 628358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’ < 1442074089 805802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : When matching types < 1442074089 805878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : a0 :: * < 1442074122 643284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right that won't print < 1442074131 800060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is a kind? < 1442074132 410219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t I# < 1442074133 670253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘I#’ < 1442074133 850524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘In’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted) < 1442074141 736718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1# < 1442074142 836460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Prim.Int# < 1442074145 105034 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442074179 902190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make unboxed literals, but it's hard to use them for anything because none of the functions are imported < 1442074212 639683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 1# = 1 in x 1# < 1442074214 519907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1442074220 339980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can also pattern match them? < 1442074222 491832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 1# = 1 in x 2# < 1442074224 227299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:5-12: Non-exhaustive patterns in function x < 1442074226 33689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442074227 401697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1442074238 840010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: # is the kind of unboxed values, yes < 1442074294 330718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Int < 1442074294 508538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Int = I# Int# < 1442074310 335885 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I#? < 1442074329 707486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I# were imported (from GHC.Exts or the like), it would be easier < 1442074332 127094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that box any unboxed type or some such? < 1442074349 983992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just Int, it's the data constructor for Ints < 1442074357 983311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Integer < 1442074358 164011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer = S# Int# < 1442074358 164083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : | J# Int# ByteArray# < 1442074372 908508 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1442074380 47634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course @src is unreliable but it has these examples < 1442074395 158155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that Integer definition may be out of date. < 1442074427 305816 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Integer < 1442074429 2932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude data Integer :: * < 1442074429 183233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.VertexSpec data IntegerHandling < 1442074429 183312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.Syntax IntegerL :: Integer -> Lit < 1442074440 80020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I take it a ByteArray# doesn't know its own length? < 1442074458 140674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1442074459 604193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus a Haskell Integer can't store a value that's more than INT#_MAX bytes long < 1442074490 3573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a 32-bit system, I believe it's theoretically possible to have enough memory to be able to store such a value in theory) < 1442074492 700364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from GHCi: < 1442074494 35797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer = integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.S# !Int# | integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.Jp# {-# UNPACK #-}integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.BigNat < 1442074497 234283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.Jn# {-# UNPACK #-}integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.BigNat < 1442074505 615603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they split it according to sign now < 1442074517 441974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in a hidden module thus the noise < 1442074547 602825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo '2:*:*:*:*:*:2/*:.01-/' > tmp.bef; cfunge tmp.bef < 1442074547 782955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point exception < 1442074550 176436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is the "BigNat" type; what is their definition? < 1442074554 687396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, I don't think you can get fungot to do that. < 1442074554 867962 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i deleted the early childhood and marriage because latuff himself stated that neither of those counties allow any sort of evidence? what about the territories? fnord fnord george clark ( fnord english history: a fnord, which < 1442074601 895387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for some reason, "cfunge <(echo ...)" doesn't work -- it goes to an infinite 100% CPU-wasting loop somewhere. < 1442074641 12339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The extra :. was just for debugging.) < 1442074691 56712 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a feature to heat up the room during cold winter days < 1442074754 634712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often is division actually used? < 1442074763 426810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so than subtraction, it's hard to implement in esolangs that don't have integers < 1442074773 283700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should add it to underlambda's standard library < 1442074791 566351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good algo for dividing chuch numerals? bonus if it does something well-defined on functions that aren't church numerals < 1442074818 30477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BigNat = BN# ByteArray# < 1442074821 959888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1442074839 790487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1442074841 679590 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442074882 88282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually ByteArray# isn't a single contiguous memory array < 1442074897 564637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was assuming tha the Int# was the length < 1442074960 179034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may have been number of "limbs", now it's not there any more < 1442075126 322984 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442075271 691647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait it may be contiguous < 1442075279 896843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slim14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44155 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+1774) 10Created page for Slim < 1442075301 772620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A ByteArray# is a just a region of raw memory in the garbage-collected heap, which is not scanned for pointers. It carries its own size (in bytes)." < 1442075320 679224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Scoppini14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44156&oldid=41613 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+14) 10 < 1442075496 41766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44157&oldid=43935 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+199) 10Added Slim < 1442075652 508103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44158&oldid=43899 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+128) 10Added Slim < 1442075760 150867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1442075925 364650 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442075940 456166 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442075949 255898 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 QUIT :Changing host < 1442075949 438450 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442076009 164567 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442076510 449724 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442076576 274176 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, guys! Someone just found the craziest thing in Idris. < 1442076636 331410 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use Doubles in types, unification uses float equality, so NaN will not unify with NaN. < 1442076654 807320 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This allows you to get a NaN = NaN and a (NaN = NaN) -> Void < 1442076660 674609 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't prove Void because they won't unify < 1442076754 249221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442076933 76880 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1442076968 590052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1442076977 319350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some really deep maths behind that < 1442077075 926412 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :More problematically, it will presumably unify positive and negative zero, which will cause inconsistency as soon as some way to distinguish negative zero is added, which I was planning to do. < 1442077112 402923 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we just confirmed that it will) < 1442077193 250884 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/+0 is positive infinity, 1/-0 is negative infintiy? < 1442077212 895616 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442077216 769186 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 0 < 1442077218 940585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1442077224 613730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.0 / -0 < 1442077226 94788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1442077226 273592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘/’ [infixl 7] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same infi... < 1442077231 467287 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.0 / ( -0.0) < 1442077233 698158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1442077250 714204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space is needed because it's otherwise a function that subtracts 0 from things, I take it? < 1442077343 510421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is some weird special rule at least < 1442077365 211096 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, prefix - is always prefix - in Haskell, IIRC. < 1442077378 828851 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section meaning can’t be gotten that way. < 1442077382 940493 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type subtract < 1442077384 179438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a -> a < 1442077392 325610 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why that function exists. < 1442077416 536077 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (- 1) 7 < 1442077418 370169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Num a0) < 1442077418 550486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Num a, Num (a -> t)) < 1442077418 550554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for ‘e_117’: (Num a, Num (a -> t)) => t < 1442077429 204958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 -) 7 < 1442077430 641162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -6 < 1442077441 240617 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can say (subtract x) because (-x) does the other thing. < 1442077449 417087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (subtract 1) 7 < 1442077450 974320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1442077472 574003 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442077533 337780 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442077533 996632 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hijarcane!! < 1442077542 139410 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442077818 923333 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442078020 732869 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> the ((False = True) -> Void) (\Refl impossible) $ cong {f = (> 0) . (1 /)} $ the (-0.0 = 0.0) Refl < 1442078021 850568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1442078025 726372 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erp. < 1442078028 688584 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the ((False = True) -> Void) (\Refl impossible) $ cong {f = (> 0) . (1 /)} $ the (-0.0 = 0.0) Refl < 1442078028 866851 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09case block in {val1} 12Void 04Refl 04Refl : 12Void < 1442078046 667546 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1442078126 152528 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, does anyone know how to do bit-pattern equality on Double in Haskell? < 1442078186 520869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, we've proved Void in Haskell? < 1442078203 534091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately how often does that happen? every few months? < 1442078211 871323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait no, that's idris < 1442078234 560662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: can you add the symbols representing control characters: [\x{4200}-\x{241f}]? < 1442078246 952393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x (- 0.0) = 1 in x 0.0 < 1442078248 637091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1442078258 621785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0/0.0 < 1442078260 491457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1442078273 577781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let nan = 0.0/0.0 in let x nan = 1 in x nan < 1442078275 899059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1442078279 886684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1442078293 461730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something of an inconsistency here < 1442078317 456307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: these get some use. We use them (except for three) as substitutes on perlmonks to emit valid xml 1.0 (which doesn't allow most control characters) when a user-submitted text contains control characters. < 1442078333 379276 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442078382 17823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hi < 1442078399 242457 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, i'm done armenian so ill do those next < 1442078430 745362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: mind you, we ampersand-escape them so you won't see them directly in the xml source < 1442078434 260580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, hello < 1442078448 459879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have a challenge. Make a Magic card that causes trouble on an airport. < 1442078466 776419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not so clear to me. < 1442078503 41666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. Name: Greater Terror. Cost: {2}{skull}. Rules text: Destroy target nonblack creature and/or target plane- < 1442078530 954804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :swalker. Art: A rogue stabbing someone from the back with a small knife on a market square. < 1442078578 541216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work because it couldn't be hyphenated that way, mind yuo. < 1442078725 823895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I can understand though < 1442078733 279529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442078734 275625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English text is almost never hyphenated on Magic cards, and even if it could be, the line wouldn't end there: it's large size text because the text is short, so it would be “Destroy target nonblack creature\nand/or target planeswalker.” and I think planeswalker can't be hyphenated after the "e" anyway.) < 1442078757 793110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if other text is added to force it to be hyphenated there < 1442078828 737162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the motivating example is http://mathoverflow.net/a/53738/35417 < 1442078850 30103 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> > let nan = 0.0/0.0 in let x nan = 1 in x nan – In case it was unclear, the second nan is a pattern variable and thus x = const 1 < 1442078860 196807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: oh right < 1442078882 322523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this is easily fixable, either < 1442078934 385043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x (0.0/0.0) = 1 in x (0.0/0.0) -- I don't expect this to work; and Haskell comments are -- right? < 1442078935 862076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: Parse error in pattern: 0.0 / 0.0 < 1442078975 148429 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I remember, numeric patterns always turn into tests with (==). < 1442078997 552885 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Double patterns will obey float equality. < 1442079010 575329 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442079030 346833 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you could make a pattern for NaN, it would presumably never match. < 1442079057 856912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense, yes < 1442079063 238030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, OK I can see now < 1442079070 628037 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let nan = 0.0/0.0 in let foo n | n == nan = 1 in foo nan < 1442079072 674175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:26-45: Non-exhaustive patterns in function foo < 1442079078 954157 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1442079096 134647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty normal floating-point behaviour < 1442079097 595607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and no, I don't think depending on the hyphenation of plane-swalker is a good idea in any case. < 1442079109 669164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for like five reasons. < 1442079120 919779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That part isn't fixable. < 1442079127 353095 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine in haskell, but in Idris, it introduces inconsistency and that's an issue < 1442079159 407369 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079242 241241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: And that hyphenation looks like wrong even if you can force it to hyphenate it there < 1442079264 382849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and people _do_ read past the hyphenation < 1442079303 809141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am sure you will < 1442079336 947308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dictionary doesn't tell how planeswalker is hyphenated. < 1442079339 149433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a card used in a planechase game? Then "plane" is an actual type < 1442079345 400875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe! < 1442079349 109078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you can't destroy them as they aren't permanents) < 1442079370 53471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, though it's not very likely that more planechase cards are printed. < 1442079381 544493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor cards that specifically mention them. < 1442079396 407173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe destroy or sacrifice a plains. < 1442079416 318167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even a card with hyphenation in the English text? If so, from what year the latest? < 1442079436 917281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some un-card has some. < 1442079463 402906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"destroy" doesn't work for things in the command zone, though < 1442079477 855583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be "place in the graveyard" or "exile" < 1442079494 641645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Longest Card Name Ever Elemenetal has a really long hyphenated word in the flavor text. < 1442079538 472594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure those work either, because the rules stop you from moving plane cards to other zones, but sure < 1442079556 373865 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079560 251530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because someone would find a way otherwise :-) < 1442079567 267708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do airport guards know from Dune what a thopter is? < 1442079582 823638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the illustration helps that is? < 1442079617 883411 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079619 234115 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s a tho? < 1442079620 230124 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word exists, and presumably someone's tried to make one < 1442079627 737547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442079629 626692 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1442079636 904016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I think for one of those set of rules that seem like backup rules just in case somehow the rules break at first, there actually is some way to activate that. < 1442079674 465904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, and even if thopters don't work in real life, there's probably porn featuring them. < 1442079680 182919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't mean people know the word. < 1442079692 333636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they called in Dune actually? Just thopter, or some prefixed form? < 1442079736 586218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read first Dune book in English, but only once, and I don't remember. < 1442079750 544428 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079755 953687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've read the first six in Hungarian, but I can't say I'm a big fan.) < 1442079762 822826 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some card that puts cards into play if they have the same name as a creature < 1442079781 678374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: what? from any zone? < 1442079784 515212 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are sorceries with the same name as creature types, and cards that create tokens of arbitrary creature types < 1442079788 555215 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from some zone, I forget which < 1442079793 113663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442079795 24179 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1442079798 934093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorceries with the same name as creature types? < 1442079802 46508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with a cost too < 1442079804 154485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Splinter < 1442079833 317858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can also just blink a manifested sorcery these days < 1442079859 354264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but the long way round means it can't just be fixed in manifest rules < 1442079861 947103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even makes sense because blink can work in a morph dekc < 1442079891 359894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there were one or two more exotic ways for some of these rules < 1442079896 950186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, Clarion Ultimatum is the card in question < 1442079901 283399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splinter ... wow < 1442079913 179275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you search out five permanents from your library with the same name as permanents you control < 1442079919 18002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, different permanents, I think < 1442079938 6363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's even a Splintering Wind that creates Splinter tokens so you don't even have to artificially evolve the token maker < 1442079941 171756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put them into play < 1442079953 913349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow < 1442079957 362227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1442079959 328145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your library < 1442079960 519326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough, the rulings for Clarion Ultimatum actually give a second example < 1442079969 821040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illusion token and Illusion // Reality < 1442079978 831378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when matching split card names, you can match either half) < 1442079991 132387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that Echoing Decay can very occasionally affect both a token and a card, without copy effects changing their name < 1442080014 758746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't quite work for Elvish Warrior because Elvish isn't Elf < 1442080033 316392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a few creatures whose name is just their creature type < 1442080035 645304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly goblins, I think < 1442080042 546459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, Homarid < 1442080063 29592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there one for which there's a simple token-maker, without some sort of artifical evolution or generic foundry? < 1442080077 334388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. there's multiple cards putting Elf Warrior tokens in play < 1442080089 320775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check lorwyn and morningtide < 1442080106 252045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the sets where a race+class token would be most likely relevant < 1442080112 668180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Goblin Assassin, but probably nothing creating Goblin Assassin tokens < 1442080136 339358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, there's one card that puts Assassin tokens < 1442080153 63505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that, or try to search for "creature token" with regexen < 1442080157 751005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try later < 1442080177 513753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Gatherer doesn't support regexen any more < 1442080183 134439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got broken in the last website update < 1442080184 478786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, on a local copy < 1442080284 533889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing makes Nightmare tokens either < 1442080318 586854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting "a 1/1 white Knight creature token" doesn't work either < 1442080352 7642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1442080353 384943 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442080354 357997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another instant < 1442080359 89283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Illusion is an instant < 1442080376 219965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK, instants and sorceries are pretty much equivalent for this, though, aren't they? < 1442080378 124038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are creatures putting Illusion creature tokens < 1442080383 70245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summoner's Bane < 1442080391 458150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1442080396 93962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that that's another one < 1442080402 419664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly less obscure than Splinter < 1442080416 141144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I guessed it would exist < 1442080576 689014 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3331 characters! < 1442080594 773670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there's lots of creatures printed with creature type names, like Metharan Zombie and Giant Spider < 1442080597 951951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot < 1442080619 152120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a card from the TSP block that actually creates tokens named Llanowar Elves, isn't there? < 1442080619 576225 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442080629 559464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, Llanowar Mentor < 1442080630 849040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Llanowar Mentor < 1442080631 976700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of a cycle < 1442080636 500541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1442080640 271122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1442080643 341377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those definitely work with Echoing Decay < 1442080646 844700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five cards each of which create tokens named after cards < 1442080649 397861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a cycle by the way < 1442080671 3941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the created cards was in lorwyn, which came later; future sight's most accurate predictions were about lorwyn for obvious reasons) < 1442080674 983160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and all five are peddlers, aren't there? < 1442080682 358988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spellshapers < 1442080691 681384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that then < 1442080693 891716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most spellshapers mimic sorcery or instant spells < 1442080697 668897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those ones mimic creature spells < 1442080710 277056 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such-and-such. Instant. While Such-and-such is on the stack, all cards have Flash. < 1442080723 839767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Ballon Peddler has the type Human Spellshaper < 1442080750 589527 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-1-96.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442080766 382519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only three cards called Peddler are like that, and there's one other peddler < 1442080841 989591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, TSP predicted Kithkins < 1442080858 644847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and planeswalkers < 1442080868 232131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tribals < 1442080992 668276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it upset me so much when I found out planeswalkers were actually being added < 1442081014 715645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we have this weird rigger card that references something that doesn't exist, and has wording designed to make it look like it won't ever exist < 1442081014 896753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Kithkin" subtype started in the Legends set < 1442081024 954268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that part of why you hate Lorwyn? < 1442081031 417669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, with one card. and TSP block has two or three. < 1442081034 178895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we have this lhurgoyf which references a nonexistent card type which Wizards have said they'll never print < 1442081041 815439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked them both < 1442081070 304987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is mild upside from this: happening to (incorrectly) think Tarmogoyf was a cute reference to something that would never happen was enough to get me to draft one before people realised they were good) < 1442081096 453651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you like Tarmogoyf? < 1442081121 785052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lorwyn rather ruined it flavourwise for me < 1442081130 708925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by that point people had figured out it was one of the best cards ever printed < 1442081139 773042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I understand that, but planeswalkers in particular? < 1442081157 862310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, Lorwyn ruined Tarmogoyf? what? < 1442081160 406202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: just the reference to something that would never happen < 1442081182 689027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the rigger that doubles contraction assembly, and the lhurgoyf that references a nonexistent card type < 1442081200 880104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll disappear in about an hour (plus or minus an hour) by the way, for half a day, when my preferred encode of MLP S5 E14 will be available and downloaded. < 1442081235 858462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Steamflogger Boss references a non-existant _artifact_ type < 1442081242 878177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :contraption < 1442081258 911902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cards have created tokens of otherwise nonexistant creature types anyway < 1442081269 357749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it references a nonexistent special action, assembly < 1442081276 468180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that's templated to make it almost impossible to implement < 1442081280 439724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, rigger < 1442081290 918506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigger is a nonexistant creature type < 1442081301 857457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sand token is among the most ridiculous type < 1442081303 463541 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442081306 349431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, no official source says it's a special action, but that's the only game element that templates like that) < 1442081310 25368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: moriok rigger < 1442081317 981453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, contraption is officially an artifact subtype < 1442081321 141971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one that appears on no cards < 1442081326 483469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly < 1442081339 945878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it appears on Steamflogger, which is enough to bring it to existance < 1442081340 126877 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442081350 117801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the list of existing artifact types don't matter for anything < 1442081359 68050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are no cards like Artificial Evolution for them < 1442081372 131046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything that lets you choose or reference arbitrary artifact types in any way < 1442081386 156027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas creature types can matter (though there's so many that they won't matter in practice) < 1442081391 309586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think land types come up somewhere < 1442081398 13941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have a finite supply for your turing machines! < 1442081398 752450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up something like that for artifact subtypes maybe < 1442081400 517592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe only existant ones < 1442081406 641601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think land types generally can be chosen < 1442081418 902082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably no, only something like "lands that share type" or something < 1442081419 83005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's amusing that there are four lands with subtype Urza's, not three) < 1442081420 561146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall < 1442081454 408808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, only basic land types < 1442081467 218050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no effect which lets you pick out a subtype other than a creature type < 1442081482 281776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there is < 1442081485 484494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Barbarian Guides < 1442081499 154444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you're right < 1442081501 826688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know about that one < 1442081503 481790 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird old card < 1442081510 888461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up the card that has an effect "target spell loses all supertypes and subtypes" < 1442081518 494237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, if you pick a nonexistant type, you just get an ability that doesn't do anything useful < 1442081536 64898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Illusionary Presence < 1442081544 821750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Landfill < 1442081552 51012 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's not a legal choice < 1442081556 530759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shimmer < 1442081565 429325 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :landfill doesn't count < 1442081566 91819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you can aim it at a legendary creature, and then it's nonlegendary even after it reaches the battlefield < 1442081573 955337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them are really relevant < 1442081574 729305 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you've made your point < 1442081589 177153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, Traveler's Cloak < 1442081595 64080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if tron was a thing in legacy < 1442081596 980782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just amused, I didn't know there's so many of these < 1442081602 111847 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally play Shimmer just to Shimmer Urza's < 1442081606 635151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt Wizards would print that, because so many people wouldn't realise < 1442081612 736479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, none of them makes land types matters < 1442081619 463119 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442081619 786936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think the only reason tron isn't a thing in legacy is that twelvepost is better < 1442081626 731258 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1442081630 343036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works much the same way < 1442081640 244732 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1442081643 429696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do Shimmer naming locus < 1442081644 730996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you put tron and twelvepost in the same deck < 1442081647 654203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 24 lands exactly < 1442081647 906756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, or at an Aura and it won't be attached to anything, or at a planeswalker and now you can play another same one, or a snow permanent is not snow, etc < 1442081659 139314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you just need the nonland cards to all be castable from colorless < 1442081672 477272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expedition map costs {1}, right? that'd be a good start < 1442081701 256 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangarback walker's good I hear < 1442081710 115604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... tron legacy < 1442081734 671664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planeswalker karn < 1442081748 78855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some eldrazi (ulamog is normally the right choice in modern, so probably here too) < 1442081765 300430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :emrakul too < 1442081782 694255 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of reach in tron, but doable in post < 1442081794 300670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a hardcast emrakul is nearly unbeatable < 1442081803 687617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it done < 1442081818 901677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally by combo decks which had been crafting their hand over the last few turns < 1442081830 76732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then did a "T:1 combo kill" just not on turn 1 < 1442081933 630657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made the puzzle once involving beating a hardcast Emrakul < 1442081956 369415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean Pathrazer of Ulamog? or the big Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre? < 1442081971 312600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite gyre < 1442081977 416826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big onse are tricky because they can't be reanimated from the graveyard < 1442081982 766173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can combo out in response < 1442081990 162208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some discussion that ceaseless hunger might be good in that sort of deck too < 1442081990 590537 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442081997 570790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one's so new you can't buy it yet < 1442081998 838647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've played against a casual reanimator that used Pathrazer of Ulamog among a few other big creatures < 1442082033 558977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that it sometimes tries to search the deck to put to graveyard, and reanimate, so it had I think five different expensive creatures < 1442082045 961354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it aimed to get one out in turn three or something < 1442082123 349513 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceaseless hunger seems strong < 1442082250 988809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's creature printed 7/11. I wonder if you could get a 9/11 one. < 1442082256 257503 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :ayylmao < 1442082352 142719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is possible I suppose. < 1442082479 115517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see how to make the Dungeons&Dragons spell it can cause nonlethal damage but can also convert lethal damage into nonlethal damage too < 1442082515 434763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps there should be a metamagic feat for casting spells nonlethally (and perhaps there's one already) < 1442082547 324019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is one. < 1442082566 162081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it in one book saying it takes 1 slot level higher and in another book it says the same slot level. < 1442082590 336167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not so easy because there are few creatures printed that big. you have to somehow make its size meaningful. and a vanilla creature might not be enough unless you can make its name, type, flavor text, art REALLY good. < 1442082626 67065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: heheheh < 1442082626 704357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes I can believe you < 1442082695 415962 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442082880 412309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, deals some amount of nonlethal damage to target, and increases their current hit points by half of that amount, rounding up, up to their maximum hit points; does not count as healing for purpose of effects that care. But I am not sure what level, what amount of damage, etc < 1442082936 539286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people (including myself) have suggested to make healing to be a subschool of necromancy rather than of conjuration; the DM of the game I am in also agrees. I can further suggest antihealing to be another subschool of necromancy (for spells that heal undead but damage living creatures) < 1442082980 349011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does that matter? I thought schools mostly matter for wizards, who don't do healing, as opposed to bards or clerics. < 1442083073 457715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the M:tG rules say that "exchange life totals" effects (which permute life totals among players) count as healing for healing triggers < 1442083083 962038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do "set life total" effects < 1442083090 525092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know in M:tG they do < 1442083100 57666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that's different < 1442083144 376723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can also matter for some other things including some rule variants that can be used < 1442083197 292986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not necromancy has two subschools healing and antihealing, and there is also plain necromancy. < 1442083335 283277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, besides the cleanup step, regenerate, and "end the turn" effects, are there effects that remove some or all of the damage marked from a creature while keeping them on the battlefield? < 1442083382 484957 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442083387 601962 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442083397 191381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know if there are any official ones. < 1442083434 578585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think it's weird how land costs work. < 1442083456 112548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some spells have a cost of zero. Lands do not have a cost of zero. Instead, they have an unpayable cost, but you don't have to pay it. < 1442083484 489160 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! I'm tenth ranked of all fontstruct fonts by number of characters < 1442083500 559290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, it's a bit strange. < 1442083506 344299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably too late to change. < 1442083522 576191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I am fine with that, although I would have made the rules a bit different. < 1442083529 210373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not worth to change now that everyone knows the rules and there are cards depending heavily on an empty cost being uplayable. < 1442083548 331605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would allow it to be cast as a spell if it does have a payable cost, but you can still play it as a land too < 1442083579 911274 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442083608 939895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442083740 575116 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can just give errata to everything. < 1442083773 414565 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell land would be interesting. < 1442083816 625514 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An enchantment that says "While this card is on the battlefield, this card is a land." < 1442083841 184752 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ՀՁՂՃՄՅՆՇՈՉՊՋՌՍՎՏ < 1442083864 824901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's much the same as a mox though < 1442083866 351261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: is that armenian or georgian script? < 1442083870 381985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a mana rock < 1442083873 537202 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :armenian < 1442083880 840695 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't necessarily actually have to give you mana. < 1442083896 427609 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven;t updated the eb page yet, but I will soon < 1442083930 607828 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-1-96.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442084135 575055 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what things, exactly, can be in zones? < 1442084141 447759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards, tokens, and abilities? < 1442084585 436023 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :page now updated! http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1442084669 998413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also copies of spells < 1442084682 355548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1442084685 805899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those aren't tokens, I assume. < 1442084686 930131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and formerly combat damage on the stack < 1442084692 989584 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442084694 598941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copies of abilities! although I'm not sure those are distinguishable from abilities < 1442084711 293523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because neither is represented by a card < 1442084746 956255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: copies of spells are somewhat similar to tokens: they're objects with no underlying card, so their copyable values are set by whatever effect creates them. < 1442084756 725298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think they are distinguishable < 1442084763 986801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: copies of spells get created in two ways, from effects that copy a spell, and effects that let you play a copy of a spell. < 1442084765 442882 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to use scraps of paper with "elf" or "goblin" written on them < 1442084778 27825 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible for a copy of a spell to have the type "creature", right? < 1442084790 160551 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since a copy of an ability is an ability < 1442084794 93940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no < 1442084795 783826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure if any cards actually do that < 1442084800 991953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can copy only instant an sorcery spells < 1442084805 687772 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1442084813 979890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it tried to resolve, it'd go to the battlefield and then cease to exist when SBAs were checked < 1442084826 38497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because once a copy of the spell has left the stack it can't change zones again) < 1442084834 119605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there is no way to get a copy of a permanent spell < 1442084834 372513 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you have a card that's a "Land Creature Instant"? < 1442084842 894280 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frsrstho... < 1442084851 667378 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any cards that have more than one type, one of which is Sorcery or Instant? < 1442084854 489639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the standard answer is "the rules are not designed to handle impossible cases" < 1442084861 290915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, Tribal ones < 1442084867 177086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Tribals only < 1442084871 629162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but not Creature ones or Artifact ones < 1442084875 82639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, a Land Creature Instant is a contradiction, from which anything follows ;) < 1442084897 213983 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why everything is legal in every country. < 1442084902 281171 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their laws contain contradictions. < 1442084918 996586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's only the Instant there that's the contradiction < 1442084927 92281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's possible to get a tribal with no other types, I think < 1442084929 954932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a typeless permanent < 1442084973 966668 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, such things are possible on the battlefield < 1442084980 10900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a copy of an activated ability on the stack that targets, how does protection treat it, as in, how does it check the characteristic of the base object to determine if it can target the object-or-player with protection? < 1442085001 81859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy has the same source as the original, I think < 1442085006 712620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442085033 181548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write the MTG rules in C#. < 1442085039 963139 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏ < 1442085042 736052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, does C# let you do call-with-current-continuation? < 1442085048 94057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent a programming language to write the MTG rules with < 1442085094 144765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell if a card's type is "Land Creature Instant" then it let you to play it as a land but then it remains in your hand when you play it, but it still uses up the one land per turn but you cannot tap it for mana or whatever < 1442085096 133800 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://ra3s.com/wordpress/dysfunctional-programming/a-little-callcc-in-csharp/ < 1442085109 366600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: good luck figuring out how some of the rules work. There's cases I don't know, though you can ask people who are much better in rules than I am. < 1442085130 85233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm still proud of that one rules hole I found that was acknowledge by wizards.) < 1442085141 284768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what was it? < 1442085150 748631 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiat, if you can do it in c# then you can do it in VB! < 1442085155 692107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the type is just "Instant Creature" then it is cast like a instant but can have power/toughness like a creature so effects that refer to it when not in play can still consider it as a creature card and so on < 1442085169 602646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Well, in VB.NET anyways you could I suppose < 1442085175 527256 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaxtly < 1442085230 285506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Patron of the Akki with Boros Recruit offered. The hole was patched at about Morningtide, and they replied to my post acknowledging that they knew it from me. < 1442085238 557475 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, VB.NET doesn't have all features of the runtime < 1442085256 21645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a given that something doable in C# is doable in VB.NET < 1442085256 238169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what used to happen? undefined behaviour? < 1442085260 450509 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442085262 654646 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :✓✔✕✖✗✘ < 1442085271 457213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also for a time, C# didn't either. I don't know if that's still true) < 1442085271 905347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1442085275 719512 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it is) < 1442085308 709662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Morningtide/Eventide/ < 1442085317 401151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed it because of the hybrids in Shadowmoor < 1442085321 211782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, "difference in mana costs" with hybrid < 1442085337 167058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, neither card has rulings < 1442085355 897706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think they'd at least clarify what the interaction was on one of the cards that made you think about this < 1442085359 305427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably on the offering cards) < 1442085363 769954 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure C# still doesn't let you use every possible feature of... crap, what's it called. < 1442085369 86381 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL. < 1442085385 979522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then program in CIL < 1442085387 417257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens nowadays? < 1442085392 895058 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLR is the runtime < 1442085405 483809 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL is the intermediate language < 1442085473 952559 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442085486 691376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the new ruling is what I wouldn't affect: if you reduce a cost by {W/R}, you can choose to reduce it by {W} or {R}. (You can remove a {1} when you reduce by {W}, as before.) < 1442085522 351728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bit counterintuitive, but it's similar to how adding the mana cost of a card to your mana pool works (and used to work always, before this ruling). < 1442085540 890710 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add {W/R} to your mana pool? < 1442085553 476544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, when an effect would add it, you choose to add {W} or {R} < 1442085557 440565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, you get either W or R < 1442085605 787270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very rare effect thoguh < 1442085661 464760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charmed Pendant and Elemental Resonance has such an effect < 1442085709 323662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably fewer cards have it than offering, but of course everyone is trying to forget the bad cards from Kamigawa block < 1442085713 972663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including me. < 1442085735 54512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules and infrastructure can't forget them though, they have to support flip cards and such. < 1442085776 361944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, flip cards don't really cause that much additional trouble that you wouldn't have from morph and double-faced cards anyway, so it's not a big deal. < 1442085800 93762 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to practice networking < 1442085803 230436 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas? < 1442085824 14649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think flip cards still suck in Gatherer though, they're handled inconsistently in two ways dependin on which flip card. < 1442085846 248003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: um, which meaning of "networking" < 1442085852 553812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socketry < 1442085873 177767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a nerd, I can't do networking in a social context xD < 1442085920 377926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "socketry" is a nice word < 1442085924 706345 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1442085933 656756 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many ponies individually made it up < 1442085943 605412 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should turn off Ponify in hexchat xD < 1442085971 878979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sorcery or wizardry < 1442085995 288600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nah, it's fine < 1442085999 736863 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late xD < 1442086022 944066 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas though? < 1442086136 494201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESO Sockets14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44159 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+123) 10Created Page < 1442086160 871815 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to brainstorm ideas? < 1442086240 893722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on come on come on < 1442086248 172818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 19:30Z already < 1442086312 284273 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? < 1442086450 490123 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a language in which the way to write a newline in a string is "\␊". < 1442086468 527279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added trigraphs to underlambda < 1442086475 97441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does oerjan logread? < 1442086477 373823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1442086485 196524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike trigraphs < 1442086505 613141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in C and C++ < 1442086513 914730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underlambda they might make sense in the eso way < 1442086521 953793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly, all the characters that are awkward in underlambda are either trigraphable characters or the trigger of trigraphable characters < 1442086529 405739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just reversed some of the trigraphs < 1442086531 565643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ??\ is / < 1442086540 474232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also underlambda only accepts trigraphs inside string literals < 1442086566 100632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it like dc in that string literals often contain commands? < 1442086577 742068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1442086584 898477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd use a code literal for that < 1442086589 417279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442086596 985090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you're a nomicy person, do you agree with me that 126:12's judgement is flawed, because mixing tier 1 + tier 16 isn't necessarily a @ version of an element? < 1442086597 574280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sir-toby.com/nomic-archives/frc/round126.txt < 1442086600 191868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :string literals are just lists of ints, which you'd need to write a parser for to convert into code < 1442086622 383094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow, you're asking me to make a judgement on a nomic that I'm a member of but has been dead for months if not years? < 1442086644 721174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dead in what sense? < 1442086651 565913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> actually this judgement is from almost 16 years ago < 1442086652 847155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is dead, you or the nomic? < 1442086690 416098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the nomic < 1442086699 547486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the sense that nobody has made any moves < 1442086702 267368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor posted to its mailing list < 1442086714 956178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might complain about this to the mailing list < 1442086719 358944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nomic isn't in an ossified state or anything like that < 1442086766 795562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, the other two interpretations was that you were dead in that you didn't contribute to that nomic, or that you were dead in some in-game way so that you couldn't contribute < 1442086775 615064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, negative hit points < 1442086802 534008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also note that FRC basically uses dictatorial judegments < 1442086811 20122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they /can/ be overturned by vote but it's incredibly rare for anyone to even start one < 1442086819 9917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vote, that is < 1442086843 878001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, you were tripped up by English grammar here, I thnk < 1442086845 247612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think < 1442086852 10762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The judge invited people to point out a flaw in their reasoning < 1442086855 528514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442086859 959979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just doing it a bit late < 1442086865 827903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use "has" to refer to yourself unless you're talking about yourself in the third person, you have to use "have" < 1442086870 319387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the nomic is the only possible referent < 1442086891 461795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442086912 445387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even in a relative clause and nonstandard but popular grammar? < 1442086958 755596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine someone doing it by mistake < 1442086971 501497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of a combination where it would be considered correct (perhaps there are exceptions though) < 1442086977 306604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… < 1442087010 853141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about in clauses that start with “It is I who” ? < 1442087039 692945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are there mailing list logs somewhere? So I could see if someone else noticed it? < 1442087042 484796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ugh, hmm < 1442087049 352256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use "have" there but I'm not 100% sure it's correct < 1442087053 519914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the mailing list has jumped around over time < 1442087058 644542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently on Google Groups I think < 1442087062 485878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably wasn't back then? < 1442087095 990681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst that could happen if I post about it now? < 1442087159 237698 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is I who've written a brainfuck interpreter. < 1442087162 999755 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is I who's written a brainfuck interpreter. < 1442087187 75074 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I think who's is more correct < 1442087199 164099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I believe 126:11 is INVALID, because it implies that something is true that would cause a previous rule to be VALID if it were true, and the ruling at the time is that it was false < 1442087224 713604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the destruction of the entire universe, but that's also the worst that could happen if you don't post about it < 1442087226 162577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say go for it < 1442087334 31274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a previous rule says that mixing in extreme proportions always gives you the @ form of an element that's the difference < 1442087342 843931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think your complaint is correct < 1442087347 161363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FRC was great fun, thoguh < 1442087360 810662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to revive it, I'd be up for it, and maybe some of the older players will turn up < 1442087420 268790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was fun isn't enough. did it die in a not very broken state? < 1442087476 754086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, the state that it died in is that the judge failed to start the next round, and that a majority of players who care to vote is needed to forcibly change the judge < 1442087498 330849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope there isn't a quorum, but I don't think there is < 1442087506 721479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I could try to make the change myself < 1442087510 779989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone would /object/ < 1442087552 902877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did this nomic start and die, in real time? < 1442087565 140193 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC doesn't have quorum, no < 1442087566 930640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately < 1442087569 20878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates Agora, but wasn't played continuously when it was active < 1442087573 161965 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could be convinced to get back into it < 1442087583 208834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wish it would get more legalistic again < 1442087595 959656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC rules seem to be here: https://sites.google.com/site/fantasyrulescommittee/regular-ordinances-of-the-frc < 1442087621 337537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… does it use a majority vote in which you can take it over easily if you revive it and nobody responds quickly? < 1442087623 424933 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's correct < 1442087638 662555 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would vote for a proposal to get it going < 1442087647 791800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like rule 14 allows us to change the judge via an overrule proposal < 1442087659 637749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the forum is still the frc-play google group because nobody's changed it since the last round < 1442087721 475972 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: while you're there < 1442087726 832552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :propose to make the judge not eligible only once? < 1442087744 114781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442087749 890293 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 (a) and (g) < 1442087768 563160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd need an amendment, which is different from the overrule we need to get going < 1442087771 769366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll let someone else propose that < 1442087776 768302 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea < 1442087791 173080 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming language that works like the Constitution < 1442087800 486991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change previously defined things, you can only ammend them < 1442087805 876994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not sure I can post to the list since I deleted all my google accounts < 1442087808 447267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only one way to find out < 1442087841 419444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, David Nicol won round 315 by default < 1442087850 934088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 January 2012 < 1442087859 841835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: which "Constitution" works like that? < 1442087869 606966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure ours doesn't, neither the old one nor the new one < 1442087873 251441 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The 'Murican one < 1442087894 377746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442087904 698355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that ever works in practice, but whatever < 1442087950 460620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, non-atomic elements < 1442087986 814273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: looks like I can't post to the list < 1442088025 256660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tier 1 would be atomic elements < 1442088042 466116 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442088044 49912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: huh, there's been play since I was subscribed there, too < 1442088052 606861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm not resurrecting the FRC because Google :-( < 1442088095 715330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is an overrule even possible? overrules are for a single round, and there's no round < 1442088116 607190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that we're always in /some/ round < 1442088122 551205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you overrule for some particular round (presumably a future one), that won't help because there's no way to start a round < 1442088137 19027 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442088202 578495 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-171-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442088204 867535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean the mailing list is subscribe-only? < 1442088215 850489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, postable only if you subscribe < 1442088223 514369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't subscribe without the list admin approving? < 1442088231 898400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you resubscribe? < 1442088245 658833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I can't subscribe without a Google account < 1442088247 533416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I refuse to get < 1442088249 914067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a post not very long ago, so maybe a list moderator is still active. < 1442088253 448807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is also a manual CAPTCHA, too) < 1442088260 931622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? I think you can subscribe to a google list from any mailing list < 1442088262 82076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't yuo? < 1442088273 261143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not how these things work these days? < 1442088274 248389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only subscribe via the web interface < 1442088277 736878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1442088280 232289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tie it to a google account < 1442088281 12542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1442088283 481926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1442088284 692850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google groups isn't really mailing lists < 1442088285 584245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1442088294 556843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a webforum where one of the access methods happens to be via email < 1442088296 653795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're not mailing lists only, but they contain a mailing list < 1442088298 253257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I thought < 1442088318 265046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they work differently from yahoo groups? < 1442088319 233282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442088358 80915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to contact the current judge and propose to change the forum or something < 1442088699 371066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying food < 1442088719 136644 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442088784 138360 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Looks like in MTG tournaments, if your opponent does something illegal, you are generally required to point it out to them; failing to do so may be considered cheating. < 1442088838 893925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: if you know it's invalid, yes < 1442088853 618409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but sometimes you might not notice either < 1442088865 447352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is cheating though < 1442088867 34908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in that case it's not _cheating_ < 1442088949 30455 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442089256 382809 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also looks like if your opponent asks you a question that your opponent theoretically should know the answer to, you're required to answer "completely and honestly". < 1442089506 262586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, gotta go in a minute, encode is available < 1442089513 164095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a bit of buffer < 1442089562 74211 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently it's not cheating unless you're attempting to gain an advantage. < 1442089574 47038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that provision is interpreted pretty liberally though < 1442089592 599739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, because lots of things can give advantage in a game < 1442089605 132600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even risky stuff that might or might not actually help you in the end < 1442090366 306529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442090402 273689 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other weird kinds of ISA could I make? < 1442090416 859731 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making one with variable-length instructions < 1442090460 809053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make one where no instruction takes any argument, and each instruction works by modifying the program itself < 1442090473 877548 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting... < 1442090476 146839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no control flow but unconditional gotos that jump a set distance < 1442090478 35337 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll record that idea < 1442090500 209531 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making the TaurusVM a set of virtual machines that each do different things < 1442090500 389061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to find a space that esolangs have played in but that hasn't lead to a TC language yet) < 1442090522 78425 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do for the binary format? < 1442090527 756472 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For TaurusVM in general? < 1442090549 807534 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it starts with a null-terminated identifier string that tells it which VM and wich version to use < 1442090561 261745 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by a flat binary < 1442090584 883341 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442090592 235104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that seems sensilbe < 1442090601 393002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want a fixed header so that tools like file(1) can recognise it < 1442090627 902517 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean a fixed header? < 1442090778 207530 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I also make an archive format? < 1442090788 347052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use ELF. < 1442090793 295194 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could < 1442090798 1860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR I could invent my own xD < 1442091063 816173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a flat binary will do < 1442091103 789491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need multiple parts, one way is Hamster archive format, although there are other ways too < 1442091132 15538 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442091138 718701 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442091352 440238 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442091376 622987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go with Flat Binary and will change it in the final release if I feel like it < 1442091605 99372 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442091621 298414 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442092143 206754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, for people who like silly Magic decks, starcitygames is reporting that a 60-card Modern deck including 24 basic Islands and 20 basic Swamps came 4th at a WMCQ < 1442092155 88960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the editor added notes saying that he thought someone might be trolling them < 1442092181 377199 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442092185 635593 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're the other 16 cards? < 1442092196 382846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find evidence here < 1442092216 510386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 dismal backwater, 3 fairie conclave, 4 reliquary tower, 2 zombie infestation, 4 treasure hunt < 1442092237 522364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the columnist thought that the dismal backwaters were evidence that the deck was an intentional troll attempt) < 1442092296 134654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the scg column doesn't say /which/ WMCQ it was < 1442092305 472816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442092428 20500 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... can't possibly be anything but a troll attempt. < 1442092445 685632 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-122-163.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442092446 47260 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone literally played it, but even so. < 1442092451 72384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's clearly a troll attempt < 1442092473 620806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether someone was trolling the WMCQ and got really lucky < 1442092481 458905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether someone was trolling starcitygames and they fell for it < 1442092488 889459 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?8nod* < 1442092489 67155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1442092492 164049 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod < 1442092521 538077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that deck does at least have a clear win condition < 1442092563 786230 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It is *possible* to play it and win. < 1442092605 570616 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-171-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442092620 661862 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-122-163.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442092650 346663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/prog_wins/ the most gratuitous animation possible (if you change the sort order) < 1442092670 796480 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or someone submitted an incorrect decklist as a troll < 1442092680 685563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I like the idea of showing kettle in reverse order, it makes those things look like the inkblot tests. < 1442092705 574968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the judges would have caught it, surely < 1442092734 616956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've got the points/colors inverted from what I described. < 1442092763 569980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look /that/ much like an inkblot test because it doesn't really remind me of anything < 1442092787 827026 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only if he was deckchecked < 1442092833 857389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My wife found meanings for all three she looked at. < 1442092846 916611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: someone who reached the top 8 would be < 1442092873 579845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, margins sometimes doesn't stand out that much < 1442092883 88092 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they should be < 1442092893 222409 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's an inexperienced judge staff, anything could happen < 1442092893 533692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perhaps there should be an {average} for the program < 1442092903 654990 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a card that says target creature gets upkeep 1? < 1442092906 2199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, what happens if you do a deck check and the deck they've written down is /nothing like/ the deck they're playing? < 1442092916 962113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: tabernacle of something is close < 1442092924 497014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pendrell vale < 1442092929 714325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives all creatures upkeep 1 < 1442092935 131170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is apparently massively expensive < 1442092949 28045 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah i think that's what i read about once < 1442092974 685479 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm probably going to end up disqualifying them for cheating < 1442092978 904145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :margins looks pretty :-) < 1442092990 298747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'd think that too < 1442092997 193263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can see non-cheating cases where it happens < 1442093001 26144 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a given, obviously, but they'd have to work pretty hard to convince me they weren't cheating < 1442093004 118398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when someone writes down their decklist the night before, changes the deck < 1442093006 566393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes down a new decklist < 1442093012 600590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then submits the old one by mistake < 1442093016 776653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can too, but I don't need proof < 1442093027 834112 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they say that's why, I'd say "Ok, where's the other one then?" < 1442093035 361032 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they show me the decklist for their actual deck, I might not DQ them < 1442093055 988969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I broke the program switcher somehow, which is weird. < 1442093092 428633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a fun game with fizzie's visualizations is to find something that shows a graph for all programs < 1442093094 870881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to pick out margins < 1442093099 271837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on margins2 sometime < 1442093105 138273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like margins but with a better win percentage < 1442093114 491776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 52% rather than 51% < 1442093150 42927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I approve of "vaguely yellowish" as a colour description) < 1442093227 294156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, according to this list, ais523.monolith doesn't draw with itself on every tape length < 1442093245 161325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the list of program names is getting screwed up somehow < 1442093293 240547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reproduction: refresh the page, then select monolith from the program list, then choose to sort by points < 1442093319 980190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I broke the program selector when flipping the points, which was an impressive screw-up. < 1442093328 105063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1442093334 668786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the wrong program is selected < 1442093338 130712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you get a different set of results < 1442093353 881929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, technically, what I broke was to freeze the colors of each grid square. < 1442093389 527344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so what we can do is look at the programs, and the one that draws with everything is margins < 1442093526 953128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's pretty yellowish. < 1442093782 188097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original idea of margins was "win on tape length 10, draw everything else" < 1442093787 574449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it diverged from that a bit < 1442093806 248398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still the case that it cannot move to the enemy flag if the tape length is 13 or longer < 1442093886 106706 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442093906 203140 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-122-163.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442093973 76266 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT THE SET INSTRUCTION WORKING IN TAURUS VM! < 1442093975 827624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SO HAPPY! < 1442093984 358284 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1442094087 553794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL WORSHIP MY WRATHLY GLORY < 1442094368 637919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442094697 114738 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442094714 150128 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is worshipping my wrathly glory :,( < 1442094980 889549 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :●←▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ < 1442095115 576319 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do something with Shared Libraries for Taurus? < 1442095332 434139 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone feel like joining the Zodiac Working Group? < 1442095336 378903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could; do you have a full specification so far? < 1442095352 251458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have a 0.1 specification for the ISA < 1442095369 794123 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an ISA or executable format? < 1442095375 854132 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know xD < 1442095407 658318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know < 1442095430 320364 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to call it an ISA for now xD < 1442095529 577991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442095539 220642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are both < 1442095542 643056 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did it a little weirdly, as every program has access to a 2**64-register array < 1442095562 450320 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you want to join the ZWG, zzo38? < 1442095569 153948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at this time. < 1442095572 897782 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442095621 157891 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I'll be able to get a compiler working when I have: a) Finished the IVM b) Written an assembler and c) Designed a language < 1442095635 499377 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just be too stupid to write compilers xD < 1442095646 600421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked, only gods can write them < 1442095788 510029 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I settled on a file extenstion for Taurus BTW (though I'll change it if it's taken by something popular): < 1442095789 859248 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tau < 1442095844 265355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442095854 234564 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442095917 345776 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should GUI work in TaurusVM? < 1442095949 835716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it may depend on how instructions and how other stuff is working, I suppose < 1442096077 722342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1442096600 174615 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442096727 494598 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442096866 151701 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any good font editors for vector font formats? < 1442096915 814598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1442097017 995660 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1442097054 738806 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fontforge < 1442097087 993585 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it to adjust the font properties because fontstruct.com doesn't set them right < 1442097271 912579 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442097304 720835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442097629 48851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : So you can say (subtract x) because (-x) does the other thing. <-- also "negate" because (-) does the _opposite_ other thing hth < 1442097736 151628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logreading is no fun when everyone who spoke in the logs is absent < 1442097745 607593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi Sgeo_) < 1442097759 231065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan < 1442097785 581703 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so yeah, I posted my complaint to the FRC mailing list < 1442097798 885841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one that is still alive < 1442097829 832025 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used frc-play@googlegroups.com. I don't know if it counts as still alive < 1442097874 847152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't really know, haven't played for > decade < 1442097941 10013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was a question about a round from almost 16 years ago < 1442097987 585151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that, i think, i don't think i played that round either < 1442098069 200406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, i was in a mental hospital then < 1442098089 252892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same year my mother died < 1442098340 201938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. if it's _intentional_ trolling, would the judges be able to disqualify him? < 1442098343 47641 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to hear that < 1442098387 89377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! changed the deck and so had to replace with basic lands. could happen, yes < 1442098417 550333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Roadrunner14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44160 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+3042) 10Created page < 1442098457 584351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44161&oldid=44145 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+17) 10/* R */ < 1442098540 661171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a less funny ook < 1442098555 342356 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing < 1442098561 377621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1442098567 642690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with such a good name < 1442098587 660492 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you could have done something with the game from.sierra < 1442098595 463935 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would actually be amazing < 1442098608 88999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about sierra but i know about the cartoons < 1442098807 376823 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's actually lode runner < 1442098819 801957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started to suspect that < 1442098844 351340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i know that game either. i'm not much of a computer gamer.) < 1442098845 329344 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442098902 911558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1442098918 303011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format was that? < 1442098928 867620 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game is over 20 years old ... < 1442098948 449088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has Treasure Hunt! < 1442098952 654183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not trolling < 1442098963 527504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442098967 668725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get lots of cards with Treasure Hunt, discard them for Zombie Infestation < 1442098999 241264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like those decks with only one or two lands, for that red card that reveals cards from the deck until the first land and deal damage for each one < 1442099016 360002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1442099026 316969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it's a very good deck, and I'm not familiar with these things though < 1442099049 523707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: an M:tG deck discussed three hours ago here < 1442099059 458020 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1442099063 109933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean what M:tG format < 1442099079 882684 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442099129 964746 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442099541 205214 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/LearnableProgramming/ <-- do you know this? < 1442099567 741944 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442099570 160462 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442100193 78327 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442100596 287100 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442100684 263332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Roadrunner14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44162&oldid=44160 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */ < 1442100980 867223 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. What happens if you play Pendrell Flux on a creature which has no mana cost? < 1442101058 731814 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442101290 713302 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess it just gets away with paying nothing? < 1442101342 270184 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the cost was to balance out some sort of advantage it'd be more interesting a decision. < 1442101431 641076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the cost treated as an unpayable cost, meaning there's no way to keep it from getting sacrificed? < 1442101447 215181 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442101499 241688 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would err on the former just because the enchantment is basically an attack that relies on it's opponents mana. < 1442101551 521722 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442101553 533059 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have any particular idea what does into MtG jude decisions other than keeping the game going. < 1442101937 423229 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442102031 738808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that should be relevant are the rules of the game. < 1442102099 592762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to make the rules into a mathematically format that can be put into computer in a new kind of programming language, if it is mathematical then you can figure out much better what is defined or not, it is much more clearly. Use literate programming to make much more clearly even more. < 1442102314 346918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how I would design a similar kind of card game.