< 1443226016 187224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free traverse < 1443226017 385003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)" < 1443226042 371097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b) < 1443226042 553617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Haskell/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:21-35 < 1443226052 833487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free t :: (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b) < 1443226053 15416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `free' failed with: src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Haskell/Free/Type.hs:(152,17)-(160,45): Non-exhaustive patterns in case < 1443226070 636045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid plugin < 1443226099 416631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list free < 1443226099 596439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :free provides: free < 1443226103 687992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help free < 1443226103 866188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :free . Generate theorems for free < 1443226125 529880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free sin < 1443226126 770643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "Floating a => a -> a" < 1443226141 686767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has @free been broken completely < 1443226148 881631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free map < 1443226150 177829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . h = k . f => $map g . map h = map k . $map f < 1443226156 475694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map < 1443226157 890703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1443226169 544225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free mapM < 1443226170 800301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "(Monad m, Traversable t) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b)" < 1443226214 849162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free traverse :: (a -> IO b) -> [a] -> IO [b] < 1443226215 27284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :$map_IO g . h = k . f => $map_IO ($map g) . traverse h = traverse k . $map f < 1443226646 682839 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443226693 868267 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443226756 936923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443226788 897190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1443226956 393420 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1443227309 608345 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443227504 227823 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm eating a can of tuna and on the can there's this text: bast before 18/09/2017 09:53 < 1443227517 90913 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443227536 432256 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :*best < 1443227557 145362 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's in italian so that part doesn't really matter) < 1443227839 639260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming needs ternary comparators < 1443227852 394473 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6>2 by 3) < 1443227969 712496 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1443228285 280658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443228685 40162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to force the "mUsingConnect" of "nsHttpConnectionInfo" to false; it is set in the "Init" method but I want to override it in a JavaScript code so that it forces false < 1443228906 855535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to force it not to use the CONNECT method < 1443229001 323172 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1443229144 183659 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443229282 306499 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck, does "[" always reference the same cell on each iteration, or does it dynamically reference the current pointer when "]" is encountered? < 1443229326 703331 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be dynamic? < 1443229348 594119 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both choices are valid, i want to know what brainfuck defines < 1443229368 535970 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: It refers to the current pointer. < 1443229425 168755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need a clarification on that question < 1443229465 767526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1443229478 787089 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, that solved my bug :) < 1443229514 356372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I amUsingConnect < 1443229521 592536 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443229595 425638 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443229602 323745 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443229658 660560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19:44 toyed with the idea of writing my own coding language before i found this room <-- i'm going to assume e joined on the wrong network by mistake < 1443229683 460167 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1443229762 4073 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :e? < 1443229774 827333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gender neutral pronoun < 1443229794 262989 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443229795 185462 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a new one < 1443229809 426925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the official GNP in Agora Nomic < 1443229819 92122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "spivak pronoun" < 1443229827 855101 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1443229836 578548 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443229881 529457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that become official? < 1443229899 148054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, traditional, anyway. it may not be an actual rule. < 1443229904 484060 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :spivak's are so different from everything else... i'd much rather use zie/hir < 1443229918 417829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, it's possible we inherited it from Nomic World < 1443229958 550122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can i use "we" despite currently not being a Player? well, i just did.) < 1443229965 268958 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1443229980 279652 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tradition comes because Suber (inventor of Nomic) was fond of Spivak pronouns. < 1443230002 471941 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you all play nomic here? < 1443230014 364131 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443230017 370266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was it in the original suber set too... < 1443230019 765512 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *all* of us, but definitely a higher proportion than normal. < 1443230052 893471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is normal? < 1443230076 327139 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't entirely know. < 1443230088 175743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somewhere below 1% i guess < 1443230100 102753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1% of what < 1443230127 408163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo sapiens sapiens. < 1443230168 582026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't look like it < 1443230275 618571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the original nomic world ruleset, but it's in this version http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/ruleset-1dec92 < 1443230322 235139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather inconsistently in a single rule. < 1443230333 300436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other rules use "he or she" and "they") < 1443230460 875592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek dead link to ruleset collection < 1443230540 353605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the initial Agora ruleset had 5 instances https://www.fysh.org/~zefram/agora/chuck0_nr_19930630.txt < 1443230554 315732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ an "eir" < 1443230698 93330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if this nomic thing was a complicated distributed system where by the time a proposal you submit to amend the rules is seen by other people, the rules they know about have already changed < 1443230759 161362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool, but probably not workable with the number of players a game tends to get < 1443231092 93299 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:1007:8bf6:7e3e:d79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443231092 278667 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:1007:8bf6:7e3e:d79 QUIT :Changing host < 1443231092 278722 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443231334 255940 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1443231436 245779 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443231493 421816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lambda calculus discussion made me wonder < 1443231522 610967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write the S combinator as a lambda expression using only 2 variables < 1443231550 125794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(K and I are trivial) < 1443231849 330332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you're not completely trivial < 1443231868 926282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know that hth < 1443231939 334153 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1443231948 210734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting question < 1443231956 461102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first guess is that the answer is no < 1443231987 930717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1443232046 447149 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443232072 726189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :K and KI give you booleans < 1443232079 110292 :Patashu!Electra@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443232081 591807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you encode pairs... < 1443232294 997955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you have church numerals < 1443232310 263415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1443232311 593691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x -> f (f (f x)) < 1443232532 962764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can shadow, right? < 1443232543 201298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like de bruijn indices where you only allow 0 or 1 < 1443233006 555626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that in BCKW, CKW correspond to the three types of structure people talk about in substructural type systems < 1443233041 915664 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pastebin served pages to over 1000 different ip addresses since august 23 < 1443233048 781554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of substructural type system has reordering, discarding, and duplication, but not composition? < 1443233051 801959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really boring? < 1443233475 249876 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1443234281 410340 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1443235338 367631 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443235492 977369 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443235510 456562 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1443235581 794616 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443235611 859479 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443235894 586976 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tsqwmngdqowjwqus JOIN :#esoteric < 1443235896 345133 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tsqwmngdqowjwqus PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." < 1443236536 673055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443236696 401490 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443236915 996205 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443237090 956327 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1443237602 58402 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443237695 780163 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443237856 749249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44393&oldid=44259 5* 03198.58.161.28 5* (-10) 10/* Compilation */ Befunjit paragraph applies to Bejit as well < 1443238169 2703 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443238927 320763 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:8d99:79d6:afd9:caad QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1443239579 716959 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443239639 38350 :Patashu!Electra@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443239916 912684 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443240302 277091 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443240448 925925 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443240453 610768 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443240561 288295 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443240561 543060 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443240600 309495 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443240622 229274 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1443240772 146140 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443240798 463067 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443240939 294062 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443241094 945868 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443241212 747864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1443241246 97430 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443241260 271229 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443241413 415664 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443241414 914740 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443241430 636608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443241459 354924 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1443241554 952648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Vihan 5* 10New user account < 1443241583 280281 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1443241595 295661 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1443243741 95235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSTS can be disabled in Firefox by the use of a hexeditor. But I have read that HSTS flags cannot be deleted on iPad even if the device is wiped, and can leave an indelible mark by the use of HSTS supercookies. Actually I think it may be possible to get rid of them if you can use a proxy server to set all of the HSTS flags that make up that supercookie; it is kind of like deleting the data on a punch card by punching all of the positions. < 1443243844 146366 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:b8a9:cdc8:f02b:e28f JOIN :#esoteric < 1443244155 448479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443244247 457591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1443244288 312184 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443244460 323697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443244936 455217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443245147 871348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44394 5* 03Vihan 5* (+2521) 10Added specification < 1443245298 198320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44395&oldid=44279 5* 03Vihan 5* (+11) 10Added HALT < 1443245464 915341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44396&oldid=44394 5* 03Vihan 5* (+81) 10Added Interpreter < 1443245598 487036 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1443245948 343053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44397&oldid=44396 5* 03Vihan 5* (+197) 10 < 1443246409 215889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X cursor font is missing a magnifier icon; it seems to have everything else. < 1443247411 282979 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:b8a9:cdc8:f02b:e28f QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1443247474 446221 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443247703 450954 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443247870 414958 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1443247880 949477 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248026 378579 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1443248045 753169 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248160 737148 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248176 455168 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248197 928600 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443248231 990613 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248326 955334 :alx__!~AlexV@95.234.243.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248327 704394 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1443248332 739544 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248347 956447 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1443248385 301645 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443248385 552163 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net NICK :blurelIse < 1443248507 650184 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443248507 831274 :grotewo__!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1443248616 722823 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443248700 367722 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1443248700 396103 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443248749 230068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net#fixyourconnection > 1443248749 238157 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443248756 497022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1443248756 505653 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443248815 975279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait was that the right syntax < 1443248851 267587 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1443248851 279689 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443248861 151175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net#fixyourconnection > 1443248861 161031 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443248872 563858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net$##fixyourconnection > 1443248872 571560 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443248896 301848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1443248896 309366 NAMES :#esoteric < 1443249353 820190 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :---$## < 1443249441 291597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's start from 15 < 1443249443 299861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 is 3 * 5 < 1443249449 317280 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :glue 3 and 5 together and you get 35 < 1443249455 298000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 -> 5 * 7 < 1443249467 130658 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 -> 319 -> 1129 < 1443249471 184930 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1129 is prime and we stop < 1443249504 553386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this sequence always stop for every integer > 1 ? < 1443249551 211960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1443249603 529870 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why does 57 become 319 and not 139? < 1443249606 670574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I not only don't know the answer for base ten but I don't know the answer for base two either. < 1443249626 726208 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1443249629 260882 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1443249629 492538 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 57 is 3 * 19 < 1443249667 219119 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime factors are arranged in order from small to large < 1443249667 474450 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a small script to test this and all numbers below 1000 terminate, except 49 which is still going < 1443249670 734812 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer is slow < 1443249677 519968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1443249696 774519 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 -> 77 -> 711 -> < 1443249710 805116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 711 < 1443249711 669025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :711: 3 3 79 < 1443249717 142575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 3379 < 1443249717 933451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3379: 31 109 < 1443249721 757553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 31109 < 1443249722 861578 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :31109: 13 2393 < 1443249729 861512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 132393 < 1443249730 570263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :132393: 3 44131 < 1443249739 795518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 344131 < 1443249740 609016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :344131: 17 31 653 < 1443249751 828750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 1731653 < 1443249752 594790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1731653: 7 11 43 523 < 1443249763 979933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 71143523 < 1443249764 883648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :71143523: 11 11 577 1019 < 1443249777 689307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 11115771019 < 1443249778 526065 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11115771019: 311 35742029 < 1443249785 188882 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` n=49; while true; do echo $n; n=$(factor $n | tr -cd '[0-9]'); done < 1443249790 584931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 31135742029 < 1443249791 439908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :31135742029: 7 17 261644891 < 1443249809 359089 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: do you know after what number of iterations the others stop? < 1443249815 887563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 \ 4977 \ 497733779 \ 497733779497733779 \ 497733779497733779711131952579497733779 \ factor: `497733779497733779711131952579497733779' is too large < 1443249842 561441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` n=49; for i in `seq 100`; do echo $n; n=$(factor $n | cut -d\ -f2- | tr -cd '[0-9]'); done < 1443249845 941493 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i wrote a script that does it for me < 1443249862 730903 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what is the maximum iteration besides 49? < 1443249873 256051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 \ 77 \ 711 \ 3379 \ 31109 \ 132393 \ 344131 \ 1731653 \ 71143523 \ 11115771019 \ 31135742029 \ 717261644891 \ 11193431873899 \ 116134799345907 \ 3204751189066719 \ 31068250396355573 \ 62161149980213343 \ 336906794442245927 \ 734615161567701999 \ 31318836286194043641 \ factor: `31318836286194043641' is too large < 1443249896 114646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 49,77,711,3379,31109 < 1443249896 917039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Concatenate all the prime divisors in previous term (with repetition), start... < 1443249904 593076 :grotewol_!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443249905 95283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1443249914 186931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a thing < 1443249918 32041 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1443249923 356756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list oeis < 1443249923 537672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis provides: oeis sequence < 1443249924 51102 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it print put a link < 1443249937 939812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm with myname < 1443249945 483458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell it to display the OEIS ID number < 1443249948 271233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least have a command for it < 1443249957 81835 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i missed something and 77 takes a while... ^^' < 1443249965 151477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sequence 49,77,711,3379,31109 < 1443249965 634095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Concatenate all the prime divisors in previous term (with repetition), start... < 1443249977 228570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1443249981 994477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than only the description < 1443250008 805993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: weöö, obviously < 1443250010 333384 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/t6ZGY8/raw output for 49 so far < 1443250015 465444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A056938/internal < 1443250019 620232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 77 needs one step less than 49 < 1443250077 101006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: page claims up to 117 steps without stopping < 1443250098 686050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/t6ZGY8/raw < 1443250105 771715 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong paste < 1443250123 112788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my laptop isn't really suited for number crunching < 1443250143 423585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's pointless number crunching like this <.< < 1443250158 532301 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's slow because it requires factoring < 1443250165 171715 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point I should figure out how to network all my linux boxen into a cluster < 1443250185 192054 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1443250221 560452 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there cluster architectures that allow use of 286's? < 1443250242 91274 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x86-64's in the same cluster < 1443250262 694916 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you want to write any software for a cluster that has a 286. < 1443250313 287127 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but I have a 286 PC just sitting there < 1443250357 197885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ibm < 1443250376 970050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is it? < 1443250414 667624 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it from my high school, sitting on the curb so i have no idea < 1443250445 516763 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has several external parallel ports < 1443250513 583427 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using it for a while to play DOOM < 1443250547 467330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldofnumbers.com/topic1.htm < 1443250579 991217 :alx__!~AlexV@95.234.243.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443250730 757631 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles parallel port and realizes it has only one parallel port. the multiple ones are serial prts, which make no sense, since they have nine pins in parallel?
< 1443250776 418375 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well regardless it has three serial ports and one parallel < 1443250792 467631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Probabilistic arguments give exactly zero for the chance that the sequence of integers starting at a given number n contains no prime, so a home prime should exist for every positive integer. " < 1443250800 1937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HomePrime.html < 1443250813 717872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not a proof, of course, just a good hint) < 1443250939 12045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that is probably a hard problem. < 1443251129 705880 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443251141 40750 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443251881 178033 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 NICK :MoALTz < 1443251963 852708 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1443252413 577250 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443252572 978236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1443252726 114032 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443253010 39897 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/QTf1EWuc < 1443253044 548665 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1443253538 106353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3331113965338635107 < 1443254153 674348 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wanna put my bf impl on the wiki? < 1443254328 425463 :alx__!~AlexV@95.234.243.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443254691 198082 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443254702 375415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Can you put it by yourself? < 1443254800 115213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my grandfather once threatened to call the President and tell him to remove the word "I don't want" from the dictionary (this happened many years ago). This is despite that we live in Canada. < 1443254826 273215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the President of Canada say? < 1443254891 788068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did not actually do that; he only threatened to do so. < 1443255004 49157 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "I don't want"? That would've failed even had there been a President of Canada... < 1443255010 973366 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1443255024 771167 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...even if they were willing to remove words from dictionaries. < 1443255076 214950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, there are so many things wrong with that. < 1443255097 491143 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1443255101 766217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "I don't want" < 1443255103 283397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 < 1443255115 543102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your grandfather uses 96-bit words. < 1443255140 425214 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good word for if you're playing Countdown, or Scrabble. < 1443255242 867614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: Ending the world is usually not a good idea. < 1443255255 225757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course removing words from dictionaries won't generally stop people from using them anyways. < 1443255282 450471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: too much olist < 1443255304 644424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was referring to events IRL during the Cold War actually
< 1443255326 81792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess saying the literal world is a bit poetic, just civilization < 1443255399 805232 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Scrabble, because although I'm not sure what you'd represent the spaces and apostrophe as, it's made of 3 component words, so if you managed to manuver the letter-tree so that you could insert "I", "don't" and "want" in the right positions, then add whatever you'd be using as spaces in-between for lots of points on the massive mega-word... < 1443255421 621412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, happy Stanislav Petrov day! < 1443255462 246453 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending the world is the kind of thing that I think someone had to say "What could possibly go wrong?" in order to get even close to performing. < 1443255629 422490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could possibly go wrong with orders to retaliate if a new satellite system registers an attack? < 1443255665 216352 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A likely not-completely-tested one at that, I presume? < 1443255709 390019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does anyone completely test anything? < 1443255723 128051 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via actual experience, I suppose? < 1443255814 20992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can always be edge cases, like sunlight reflecting off of clouds in a certain way < 1443255831 395092 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end, relying on anything except a mass dropout of everything in a certain area (and even then, if they have a power failure...) for information on if you've been hit or are going to be hit is a quick way to make a complete mess. < 1443256536 178705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where oeis < 1443256536 397156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about oeis. < 1443256818 389314 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443256943 29798 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443256943 216158 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net NICK :blurelIse < 1443257815 31859 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443259904 240626 :alx__!~AlexV@95.234.243.129 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1443259953 990079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443262011 461000 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@83.253.76.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443262011 641295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@83.253.76.127 QUIT :Changing host < 1443262011 641325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1443262352 961481 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443262570 727250 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443264228 447972 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443265196 462532 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1443266559 185986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44398 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+5187) 10Created page with "'''Nyarlathotep''' (named after a deity in the Cthulhu Mythos) is a esoteric language created by [[User:CosmoConsole]] in 2015, and has received a large amount of inspiration ..." < 1443266592 354599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44399&oldid=44395 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+19) 10/* N */ [[Nyarlathotep]] < 1443266621 507404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44400&oldid=44398 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+9) 10/* External resources */ fixed link < 1443267036 71418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44401&oldid=44400 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+4) 10/* External resources */ clarify python version < 1443267198 815599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:CosmoConsole14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44402&oldid=40731 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+69) 10 < 1443267774 937561 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443267994 455511 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/meIKvBa what's happening here? < 1443269202 803192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44403&oldid=44401 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+0) 10fixed a small mistake < 1443269286 291329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44404&oldid=44403 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+12) 10/* Operation */ clarified the operation of C when reaching end of memory < 1443269972 427616 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443270660 637245 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1443270755 770321 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1443270784 502131 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443272105 32957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443272146 947370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443272503 968293 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443273490 549670 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443276307 59141 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1443276450 99816 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443276969 7520 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1443277467 542185 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1443278026 971549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1443278388 383413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443279030 94113 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dont have wiki skills.. is there an esolang for posting to wiki? < 1443279490 186707 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1443279527 188572 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443279542 309934 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1443279576 317734 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443279751 69557 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443282533 996520 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443282709 978801 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443284519 66405 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443285058 448558 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443285691 605117 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1443287053 448563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443287153 458890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm having fun running a fuzzer on cfunge, lets see what it comes up with < 1443287219 386681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, didn't you find some bug in cfunge a few months ago that I never got around to looking at properly? < 1443287223 290559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find the IRC log any more < 1443287372 372467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That rings a bell, but only faintly. < 1443287460 145981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh well < 1443287463 607561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grepping, the one recent thing I can find is that I was trying to use cfunge <(echo ...) to test a oneliner, and it went to a busyloop somewhere. < 1443287477 262363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Debian stable just had an update for linux-libc-dev but not the matching linux-libc package < 1443287481 632344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(echo ... > tmp.bef; cfunge tmp.bef) worked fine. < 1443287483 129901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what /that's/ about < 1443287487 932588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the fuzzer is obviously mostly finding "hangs" due to programs running into infinite loops < 1443287495 368722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, considering how to deal with this hm < 1443287502 621468 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443287519 89958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, it's the #defines that the kernel exposes to userspace < 1443287524 852665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no matching non-dev package < 1443287529 247506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Grepping, the one recent thing I can find is that I was trying to use cfunge <(echo ...) to test a oneliner, and it went to a busyloop somewhere.<-- well that doesn't surprise me < 1443287533 605995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cfunge mmaps < 1443287546 266176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I find it hard to see how a security bug in those wouldn't require a rebuild of every other package that referenced the buggy setting < 1443287547 928246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because \r\n are annoying to deal with across fread() boundaries < 1443287566 99481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a setting requesting extra security was accidentally defined to 0 rather than what it should have been, but no Debian packages used it < 1443287574 803594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, failing instead of getting stuck would still be better. < 1443287575 629841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1443287600 692763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would have assumed it would do that yes < 1443287607 105965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder why it gets stuck < 1443287616 622102 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of hard to debug that one via gdb... < 1443287627 746375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1443287629 307031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it would do the same for, say, a named pipe. < 1443287644 534949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1443287671 743012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I find it unlikely that mmap() would get stuck though instead of returning an error < 1443287693 409236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : addr = mmap(NULL, len, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, 0); < 1443287693 609476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (FUNGE_UNLIKELY(addr == MAP_FAILED)) { < 1443287693 609535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : diag_error_format("mmap() on file \"%s\" failed: %s", filename, strerror(errno)); < 1443287693 609561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : goto error; < 1443287693 995526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1443287698 920658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1443287717 381535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil tabs < 1443287731 140839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ? < 1443287752 53628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, tabs for indenting is great, that way you can set the tab stop to whatever you prefer and it still looks good < 1443287761 151824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/tabs.png < 1443287776 220315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I'm just filling form 306, titled "Application for pre-examination and permission to publish the dissertation". < 1443287796 803113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, well that is your client, not my fault. I use hexchat and it renders it as a space < 1443287805 887968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks under-indented but still readable < 1443287835 402871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And no I don't use tabs to adjust continued lines to the preceding line, *that* would break if you change tab width) < 1443287852 890065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1443287902 418357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : current policy: frequency should be within 1.60 GHz and 3.70 GHz. < 1443287902 604363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : The governor "performance" may decide which speed to use < 1443287902 604437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : within this range. < 1443287902 604459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : current CPU frequency is 3.58 GHz. < 1443287903 502315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1443287921 277875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't performance ensure it is 3.7 all the time? < 1443287932 229578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 3.7 GHz number counts the "turbo boost" stuff. < 1443287941 608522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course < 1443287944 138876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, absolute maximum for a single core, not the "normal 100%" thing. < 1443287950 474029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz < 1443287951 301809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1443287953 338108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1443288033 275664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cpufreq stats: 3.40 GHz:4.86%, 3.40 GHz:0.00%, 3.20 GHz:0.44%, ..." hrm < 1443288045 6547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what that second, never-used 3.40 GHz speed is. < 1443288054 633515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1443288067 343194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where did you find that line? < 1443288080 297324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "cpufreq-info" tool printed it out. < 1443288081 993460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I find this bug report strangely amusing: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522773 < 1443288084 925959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm not for me < 1443288086 607483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b_jonas in particular might like it) < 1443288094 111138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44405&oldid=44141 5* 0372.235.201.146 5* (+125) 10/* Normal implementations */ add msp430 interpreter < 1443288111 309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity it's unresolved, though < 1443288111 178397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I find the debian bug tracker obtuse. Hard to see the status of a bug. < 1443288117 36511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: open, in this case < 1443288121 675580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where does it say that < 1443288122 714640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more the bug itself, rather than its resolution < 1443288126 855084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be the statistics collection is a new thing and/or needs to be enabled somehow. Although I don't recall doing anything for it. < 1443288133 722678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't mention it being closed anywhere < 1443288139 347934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I noticed, at least < 1443288167 599727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right, but even bugzilla is more readable than debian's system :P < 1443288171 981475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bugzilla is terrible < 1443288197 783615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice graphviz plot in the upper-right corner, though. < 1443288206 997984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of nodes titled "some versions". < 1443288289 423366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can read the graph? it is tiny for me < 1443288303 173108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh clickable < 1443288569 11570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it's trying to illustrate, but I like graphs no matter what. < 1443288745 649732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1443288748 399005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1443288774 187375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it shows the affected package versions, color-coded; red = affected, green = fixed. < 1443288832 307402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the edges? < 1443288851 184548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to find good examples though... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522759 has no forks :/ < 1443288895 682471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no linear versioning; there are forks because there are three (I think?) debian distibutions at any point in time. < 1443288925 978613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note, I don't know, I'm making an informed (hopefully) guess here. < 1443288934 589418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all (two) graphs I've seen so far, "some versions" could have been an implied by an edge. < 1443288980 551335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's the "don't collapse" mode. < 1443288981 498710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, somebody has to tag version+bug pairs, I suppose... < 1443289004 806395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, perhaps a good point to stop guessing :) < 1443289062 157788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to turn off "ignore boring" and "collapse" for the first graph, and got a broken image. < 1443289080 930899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?found=linux-2.6%2F2.6.29-2;found=linux-2.6%2F3.2~rc7-1~experimental.1;ignore_boring=0;package=linux-libc-dev;absolute=0;info=1;format=png;height=;width=;collapse=1 nice and wide < 1443289124 148909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, grey. < 1443289132 417608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "boring", I think. < 1443289164 755481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means "unknown"? < 1443289323 804518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so far the tool has found no crashes, that is pretty nice < 1443289360 590452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS explains some of it < 1443289715 904968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make proxy working with Apache? I always get error message, the stuff they mention on their IRC doesn't work either < 1443289820 628143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The configuration is set up like http://sprunge.us/EEYY (the "example.org" and "stuff.example.org" and "localhost:9999" are all just for testing and will be changed later, but "127.0.0.50" is going to remain the same; also I add the ProxyPassReverse which is not listed in that old version of the file) < 1443289842 209016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have one Apache "reverse-proxy" configuration, but I don't think I have that configuration saved anywhere. < 1443289924 852054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to get it to work though? < 1443289952 285357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I think I got it working by following the instructions, but this was some years ago. < 1443289961 682292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why apache btw? < 1443290012 202163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache is the server I already have set up for the main HTTP server, so I try to use the same one as the proxy < 1443290168 259992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my configuration, I just had the reverse-proxy ProxyPass part, because I wasn't trying to connect to the target via another proxy. < 1443290195 662689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get this error message in the log file: [error] proxy: ap_get_scoreboard_lb(1) failed in child 10872 for worker proxy:reverse < 1443290266 740598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen that. < 1443290370 630886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :google finds https://serverfault.com/questions/454421/apache-httpd-error-proxy-ap-get-scoreboard-lb-with-proxypass which suggests to stop and start apache (rather than reloading or restarting)... < 1443290389 458187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will try that < 1443290418 641263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not looked at the configuration, but it sounds like a harmless and at the same time obscure thing to try) < 1443290430 788962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googled the error message
< 1443290494 646550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That error message is gone, but I still get a 500 error and the same other logged errors as before, just not the scoreboard error < 1443290511 905143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error is: [warn] proxy: No protocol handler was valid for the URL /what. If you are using a DSO version of mod_proxy, make sure the proxy submodules are included in the configuration using LoadModule. < 1443290534 806021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did load both mod_proxy and mod_proxy_http and checked it with apachectl -M < 1443290662 944527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23931987/apache-proxy-no-protocol-handler-was-valid ... LoadModule ssl_module modules/mod_ssl.so < 1443290689 390293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that otherwise it fails to speak https) < 1443290719 672385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need it to speak https < 1443290723 194623 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443290723 416411 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443290771 717637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to just send a request like "GET https://example.org/what HTTP/1.1" to localhost:9999 < 1443290783 109748 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443290785 396635 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443290804 393055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Implementing SSL on the next proxy in line instead) < 1443290818 537772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1443290907 405388 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443290907 673107 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443291423 439520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, the libreoffice 5.something I have here at home does a much worse job of editing-and-saving this .doc file than the libreoffice 4.something I had at work. < 1443291634 542766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then install the other version as well (if it is possible to install both) < 1443292308 434721 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1443292387 479406 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443292986 340628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1443293058 71788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie < 1443293061 464713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horpal < 1443293422 104316 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd aftRnUn evrEbudE! < 1443293468 691680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sending of pieces of paper around is totally silly. < 1443293491 997349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They want two printed copies of the thesis manuscript along with the application form. < 1443293504 370208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "they" = ? < 1443293504 647049 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best idea ever: an OS that boots two kernels, and every time you start a process, it randomly chooses one of the kernels to run it on < 1443293506 183634 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Id spel it "evribudi" < 1443293522 246309 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :university policies are made by the oldest, most tenuruous professors < 1443293530 814197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does it have to be properly bound? or is a temporary binding enough? < 1443293531 295662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Part of the same conspiracy which is holding back the publication of your thesis, presumably. < 1443293566 182922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least my university now has a (very sensible) rule that if the thesis examiner and student agree, you can send the corrected version of a thesis by email rather than needing to send a printed copy < 1443293570 765910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then not get it printed until it's been approved < 1443293576 602691 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: then how would you spell 'it'? < 1443293580 890729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, the university. And it's supposed to be perforated and in a plastic folder, but you're expressly forbidden to go through the actual get-a-printed-copy process at this stage. < 1443293584 860207 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "it" < 1443293587 27113 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1443293587 548908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your thesis has been approved, right? < 1443293591 599166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1443293593 263564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago < 1443293594 207111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we still can't read a copy. < 1443293596 636832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1443293602 784021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can link you to the page that says you can't read a copy, if you like < 1443293606 958741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1443293626 533903 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that is bad. the vowel in 'it' and the vowels at the end of 'every' are very sifferent < 1443293628 909281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Come to think of it, I assume you could get it properly printed, if you want to do it at your own expense. < 1443293635 63748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here: http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/ < 1443293660 480943 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I hear them as the same, while the one in "see" and end of "every" as very different :/ < 1443293671 95094 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443293682 1708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could; I've already done that for the "official" versions, and both the University and bookbinder were quite clear that I was allowed to print as many copies as I like so long as I paid for them < 1443293692 223517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to pay for the two official copies too < 1443293696 901662 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well the good thing sabout my system is you can spell wrods according to your own accent < 1443293714 308189 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1443293733 948237 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was meaning < 1443293759 729740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah. At our university, the university pays for up to 500 EUR of printing costs, as long as the dissertation is published in the university's series. < 1443293798 371975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the minimum number of copies is 30. < 1443293804 171889 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at UofT I got 1000 free printing pages every year as part of my tuition < 1443293826 749548 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess not 'free' < 1443293833 914770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 1000 pages isn't so much < 1443293861 257191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were no rule as to "no printing pages entirely black" < 1443293862 169590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 copies of my thesis would currently require 6420 pages. < 1443293867 685208 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I personally think you should have a way to mark scwas, like in the beginning of "about". in a spelling system me and heddwch developed, we used 'y' for iy < 1443293870 656594 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1443293884 37289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use ə? < 1443293898 960111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen phonetic spellings that used English letters entirely except they used ə for schwa < 1443293899 858269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Is this, like, properly-bound-in-a-book pages, or just, you know, printer printing? < 1443293916 638314 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I just use whatever the vowle would be if it weren't reduced < 1443293928 266250 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'u' < 1443293933 233868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's hard to tell phonetically, though < 1443293952 217946 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: but don't you have special forms for [ər], 'R'? < 1443293956 645213 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me the first vowel in 'about' is u as in 'but' < 1443293960 577445 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes < 1443293965 844485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Well, the university. And it's supposed to be perforated and in a plastic folder, but you're expressly forbidden to go through the actual get-a-printed-copy process at this stage. < 1443293973 319640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this sounds stupidly complicated? < 1443293982 478630 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those are reduced in my accent to sylabic R < 1443293996 104799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when I did my bachelor thesis it was all digital. < 1443294001 499945 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 'butter' -> butR < 1443294005 629583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no paper copy anywhere along the line < 1443294011 860974 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1443294043 459001 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was printing on up to a page size of twice a letter-page < 1443294049 434805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is different for master theses? < 1443294063 723268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: From what I've heard informally, at least some of the Doctoral Programme Committees no longer even look at the paper copies. I think the two print copies are those that will be sent to the pre-examiners, though. Not that I'm so sure they want the paper copies either. < 1443294082 178152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the originally marked (i.e. before editing) copies of my PhD thesis had to be paper, and they were bound in a special "temporary binding" way designed for the process which is pretty cheap < 1443294089 918484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1443294107 794664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's approximately equivalent to our "put it in a plastic folder" rule. < 1443294121 834870 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443294130 31712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well temporary bindings are quite strong, you could probably rip the pages out if you tried hard but they're unlikely to fall out by accident < 1443294131 710661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If I email them to ask for an early copy do you think they would oblige? < 1443294132 771449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike plastic folders < 1443294148 248903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm guessing no, but I doubt it would hurt < 1443294167 671226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I thought you were already working at google in UK? < 1443294173 488773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On android stuff iirc < 1443294177 715104 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523> why not use ə? <- because ə isn't on a normal keyboard < 1443294186 76432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on mine! :-( < 1443294191 74002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, compose? < 1443294194 810526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling my keyboard abnormal? < 1443294196 385810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course < 1443294199 225594 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1443294199 404010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose e e < 1443294204 16755 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523-lang: Impossible to use < 1443294212 103734 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're ais523) < 1443294215 667953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "ais523-lang"? < 1443294218 408390 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or stole his keyboard) < 1443294219 731109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't do a bachelor's (I squeaked by just before they modernized our programs to involve one; before, it was straight-to-master) but I think my master's thesis involved a printout for examination. And I got 20 copies bound; there's a particular binding specifically for this kind of theses ("diplomityö"). < 1443294220 640817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made tons of languages < 1443294230 819086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I haven't made any natural languages yet, though < 1443294233 345170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes, you thought correctly. < 1443294234 426601 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that uses all these crazy letter you can apparently type < 1443294236 885074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what about this: esoteric conlang, that has zero words < 1443294241 89920 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1443294246 721342 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is obviously a good idea < 1443294249 917312 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why messing around with plastic folders now then? < 1443294267 459292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I mean, as opposed to what? Leaving my PhD unfinished? < 1443294273 708686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's a completely stock UK 101 (103?) key laptop keyboard, the only change I made was to rebind one of the keys < 1443294278 758269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1443294305 955144 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK keyboard? Hmm... < 1443294314 833582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess you at least get to read the abstract < 1443294326 468211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I doubt any laptop keyboard is 101 or 103 keys, there are always strange keys not found on classic keyboards < 1443294337 148550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Fn was the main one < 1443294360 571003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By the way, did you see my question about substructural types the other day? < 1443294362 227963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Mine has browser back/fwd for example, and fn. Also no right windows key < 1443294368 623023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:03 it's interesting that in BCKW, CKW correspond to the three types of structure people talk about in substructural type systems < 1443294370 652779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only weird key placement I can see here is that for some reason, pause/sysrq is fn-shift < 1443294371 672762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get some ex-colleagues at the university to do the physical printing, at least, so I don't have to ship the printouts from UK to Finland. < 1443294374 145508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04 what sort of substructural type system has reordering, discarding, and duplication, but not composition? < 1443294375 200937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, just pause < 1443294377 84165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04 is it really boring? < 1443294378 55064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sysrq is on prtsc as usual < 1443294382 223923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn't see it first time < 1443294398 298056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're an expert in substructural types and all. < 1443294403 430194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: composition corresponds to the Application rule of first-order logic, right? < 1443294412 29282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my desktop keyboard also lacks a right windows key. Even though it is a microsoft keyboard. heh < 1443294412 208047 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my prtsc is between alt and ctrl < 1443294423 874264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no way to eliminate lambdas at this point, so Abstraction is pointless < 1443294427 148337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it has a fn too, between altgr and right ctrl < 1443294432 160078 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the right windows key should be < 1443294437 741877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1443294441 321730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no point in forming tuples because there's no way to destructure them < 1443294442 378882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it seems that I might have to send the application form, because apparently it loses the magical powers of binding if it goes through a scan-and-print step. < 1443294445 641072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and "menu" is on fn-right shift < 1443294446 163277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's not signed in blood. < 1443294449 76047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus everything is happening on the left of the turnstile < 1443294450 173880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is super-weird < 1443294469 209721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Application rule? < 1443294473 986717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you end up with is a definition of a set, I think < 1443294484 372148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't asked if they'd accept a faxed copy, because (AIUI) fax machines often preserve the magic. < 1443294495 800039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, AIUI? < 1443294501 218458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it. < 1443294501 707963 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard does have an excellent "lock" button (trust a business laptop to have a builtin boss key) < 1443294506 439741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1443294516 411012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, go ask them that ;P < 1443294523 95834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then find a fax machine < 1443294526 932076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Application rule derives, from (G |- M : t' -> t) and (D |- N : t'), (G,D |- MN : t) < 1443294528 693537 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has also a ""new web browser window key < 1443294544 134293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally ends up corresponding to categorical composition, if you use a category for your semantics (most people do) < 1443294562 738364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We've got a fax-sending service in the intranet, but maybe that would make the spirits angry. < 1443294570 652465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to use the closed structure to make t' point in the opposite direction < 1443294573 632270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you represent t' as 1 -> t' or something like that? < 1443294584 689133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not in first-order logic, you don't < 1443294595 548907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the category you use for your semantics. < 1443294599 699280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you what? < 1443294603 182194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1443294604 42280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal categorical method is to represent the entire judgements as G -> (t' -> t), D -> t' < 1443294612 268608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (G,D) -> t < 1443294616 126143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1443294631 327308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I wish I could link to my thesis where all this is explained < 1443294636 258123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can read http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/5741/1/Smith15PhD.pdf until your thesis comes out. < 1443294638 864975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except with G and D in Greek) < 1443294658 501086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's a thesis by someone else called Smith, I take it? < 1443294664 437780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has way too many pages < 1443294668 911640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't looked at it, I just saw some mention somewhere that you can just "go/fax" if you have to communicate to someone stuck in the past. < 1443294684 564554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also something a bit more elaborate if you need to "regularly receive faxes". < 1443294692 508185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1443294695 717073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly I have Feather on my mind, I thought that communicating with someone stuck in the past might change history < 1443294774 750743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although in Feather, changing history can change the present, and in fact probably /should/ or else you'll get into a time loop) < 1443294800 840010 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1443294828 713522 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443294861 292568 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443294862 684493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Feather any closer to actually existing than it has used to be? < 1443294872 42881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1443294875 327349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well slightly < 1443294888 335664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've realised that The Underlambda Project might inadvertently remove one of the many obstacles to its existence < 1443294900 913231 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tens of billions of people are stuck in the past. < 1443294936 201786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever put that {{stub}} on the Esolang article about Feather is a genius, btw < 1443294937 179394 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Thomas More, for example. < 1443294957 819695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is currently in the past, with no way of getting to the present. < 1443294984 24996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's up to a hundred billion. < 1443294987 645143 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should help him. < 1443295139 319715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's help him! Quick, to the fax machine! < 1443295291 272815 :Alcest!~alcest@93.186.169.30 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443295585 596783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I sent them an email. < 1443295612 467791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious to know what their answer (if any) will be < 1443295625 356257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although given that it's Saturday, we'll have to wait a few days because I seriously doubt they reply to emails on weekends < 1443295701 837598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose answer? < 1443295702 889415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason you can't publish a copy directly, by the way? < 1443295704 916099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1443295728 657036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure < 1443295733 861160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you're sending messages to the past? < 1443295735 36427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so far, haven't done so in case I get into trouble < 1443295777 182913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you send one to Ben Franklin please/ < 1443295788 884444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper copies don't seem to be publicly available either (although the reason for that might be that /both/ of them are currently undergoing refurbishment) < 1443295823 713095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the hard part is, that to prevent terribly bad things happening a message sent to the past has to have no visible effects until to just before you choose to send the message, at which point something happens to stop you sending the message < 1443295842 459507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite hard to achieve, and one of the currently unsolved problems blocking Feather from existing < 1443296018 118383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at that point, it appears you can't use the "sending message to past" for anything useful? < 1443296058 303826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, you can, say, check to see if an object has a method, if it doesn't, you can retroactively add it < 1443296075 272051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't make any visible effects to the past because as the object didn't have the method, clearly nothing called it < 1443296088 127911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your check will see that the method is already there < 1443296113 559779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1443296118 503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bbl < 1443296228 40091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ("What's expected of us" by Ted Chiang in 2005-07-07 at )
< 1443296243 927690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: did i do it right twh < 1443296615 249278 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, b_jonas what were the rules to that tiny Magic variant you were talking about the other day? < 1443296633 939804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there were actually two such variants < 1443296640 2276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are similar < 1443296665 184139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1443296666 241348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I suggested was: you have three cards in your library (Vintage banlist, no restricted list), you don't lose for drawing from an empty library, otherwise normal Magic rules < 1443296695 644609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonass was: you have five cards in your library, Legacy banlist, starting hand size is 0, during mulligans you can reorder your library, otherwise normal Magic rules < 1443296698 700759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*b_jonas's < 1443296716 372306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and default maximum hand size is still 7. < 1443296790 372570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, this is starting hand size as in Vanguard < 1443296808 583768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: come to think of it, we could call your format Doomsday < 1443296832 866040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's almost literally the situation you're in after resolving Doomsday (five cards of your choice in any order) < 1443296911 293415 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443296923 579225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a well-known tiny _limited_ magic variant, where in the first duels, each player starts with a single sealed booster pack that he has to shuffle to his library with ten basic lands, without looking at the cards first, then it's a single elimination tournament and the winner of the match in the first round gets to use a deck from both boosters in that match. < 1443296934 415482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one is called "duel masters", but I'm not sure. < 1443296959 978118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I only ever played a one-game variant of that. < 1443296970 488336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, duel masters is a different game Wizards makes < 1443296975 877485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that may have been what gave the original idea, I don't know < 1443296983 410122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a name for that format but I can't remember what it is < 1443296986 528337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Pack Wars < 1443296991 383536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1443297014 421775 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that predictor is a devious device < 1443297048 396930 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1443297048 650198 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net NICK :blurelIse < 1443297143 783426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also make up a variant called the "Standard Solitaire" variant; it is a solitaire variant where the only change to the standard rules is that rule 104.2a is not applicable. Try to make up a very strange deck in order to make a more interesting kind of game with this variant; add cards that damage yourself, cards that have unusual requirements, as well as cards with effects that just let you to win the game. < 1443297152 174160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We would call them "pack battles" which I guess explains why there was only one game. < 1443297170 677082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also eventually we replaced most words in the game with the word "jam". < 1443297174 508401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!104.2a < 1443297186 230166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`comprules 104.2a < 1443297187 77824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: comprules: not found < 1443297212 290589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jam" originally (well, in the context of Magic: The Gathering) meant "+1/+1 counter" < 1443297220 842293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on it meant any kind of counter. < 1443297224 481222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A player still in the game wins the game if all of that player<92>s opponents have left the game. This happens immediately and overrides all effects that would prevent that player from winning the game." < 1443297229 954730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what 104.2a says < 1443297233 642668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also grew to mean "card" and "booster pack" < 1443297241 513037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant Growth would jam up a card until end of turn. < 1443297248 798029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing Magic: The Gathering was referred to as "jamming" < 1443297253 583282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need a comprehensive rules bot? < 1443297266 180890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't hurt. < 1443297270 88634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is one on the efnet/#mtgrules channel < 1443297281 46159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but we could easily teach the rules to HackEgo < 1443297281 535555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be in that channel. < 1443297289 704311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently been having problems connecting to EFnet < 1443297294 702510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your Rules Advisor Membership is about to expire on 2015-10-12" < 1443297296 916249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I renew it? < 1443297302 461772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's just one problem, some rules are too long to fit in an irc line < 1443297310 848925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1443297325 326385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 always leaves very abruptly. < 1443297335 851372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we could add a `more command to HackEgo to list continuations with a second command I think < 1443297347 273750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has that < 1443297366 89142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But adding it to HackEgo in the obvious way would involve making hg commits for read-only commands. < 1443297372 650545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be kind of annoying. < 1443297376 772696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's easy to add to HackEgo too, with a short script to bin < 1443297388 904297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doesn't it have some non-version-controlled temp directory? < 1443297397 462982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That survives across reboots? < 1443297402 681211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1443297404 344489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1443297405 456306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1443297409 314518 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1443297420 764028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can use one of the bugs we know of that causes that behavior. < 1443297421 568568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's how buubot worked too by the way, it could only store versioned data < 1443297442 545233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still stored state in versioned data though < 1443297449 393383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with macros < 1443297467 480123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have a non-versioned directory for things like this. < 1443297476 850353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though people would probably abuse it. < 1443297511 439342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they? < 1443297537 539543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/culprit < 1443297539 440969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom < 1443297541 481408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.................. < 1443297553 801327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how would they abuse it more than they already abuse the versioned one? < 1443297571 176442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e oerjan oerjan < 1443297585 733666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the non-versioned dir wouldn't be in the path, so you could see if something points there < 1443297591 589370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the PATH < 1443297600 212232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes yes yes yes ...?! < 1443297619 162757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: just fitting the rhythm hth < 1443297624 769437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprit < 1443297625 806129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1443297643 305567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/culprits < 1443297644 906791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet Jafet tswett tswett shachaf shachaf shachaf FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly shachaf < 1443297680 575030 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/culprits < 1443297682 207504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1443297689 912374 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/culprit < 1443297691 700159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom < 1443297721 647900 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1443297727 544058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprit < 1443297728 599994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1443297744 539841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? firefly < 1443297745 551011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. < 1443297747 401709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the wisdom wisdom < 1443297755 564804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow, a fact < 1443297779 371902 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/firefly < 1443297781 111842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull Tanea < 1443297817 517132 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1443297818 569585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1443297849 767028 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/ais523 < 1443297851 563574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull elliott Sgeo Bike oerjan Taneb ais523 ais523 elliott oerjan elliott FreeFull oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia < 1443297861 738246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? I < 1443297862 721932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1443297863 885482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The existing bin/paste already kind of makes commits for "read-only" commands. < 1443297870 370036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prim < 1443297871 316021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prim? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443297872 796888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prime < 1443297873 675934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1443297873 854869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443297875 504186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? factor < 1443297876 211929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443297877 585543 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the part about retroactively preventing it from evolving a reference to that one esolang that shouldn't be named? < 1443297878 291048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? binomial < 1443297879 91349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binomial? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443297885 96617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But at least when you use it you're expecting that to happen. < 1443297902 741003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: When I upload some text to a paste site, I also expect to be modifying that site. < 1443297902 983202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1443297904 166142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌨/You are probably using one right now! < 1443297910 842856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you mean Feather? Ais talked about it himself today < 1443297917 638966 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh. < 1443297920 799210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⌨ < 1443297921 673818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2328 KEYBOARD] < 1443297930 219281 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why he left abruptly < 1443297936 944345 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1443297957 702288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it Brainfuck that we want to retroactively cause not to be evolved? < 1443297972 700470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1443297977 179015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just its derivatives < 1443297978 996630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I don't mind brainfuck as much as all the clones < 1443297992 618972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are just boring < 1443297999 923980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook. < 1443298007 124852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the classical pointless one < 1443298028 558619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well sure, and I don't mind the _first_ stem of weed in my garden as much as all the rest it spawns, but that's where you have to start extermination < 1443298039 439978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitfuck looks kind of interesting at first, until you realise there is a simple recipe for translating any brainfuck program into a bitfuck one < 1443298048 222755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course ook's creator has redeemed himself < 1443298053 243174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no! Ook! is the best BF clone, one of the very few non-pointless ones < 1443298059 435850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oook! Oook! < 1443298060 646691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh? < 1443298070 636848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook. Ook? < 1443298071 502958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DMM is also the creator of Piet < 1443298074 876843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ah < 1443298081 577609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and of Chef, more usefully < 1443298100 708968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, really? It is just plain boring. And no, the Discworld reference doesn't make it any better < 1443298166 642433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, points... It does feature periods and exclamation marks. < 1443298179 430245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And question marks I guess. < 1443298838 567 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443299849 975892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443299911 126475 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1443299997 326446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443300027 451488 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443300624 136654 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:5c4a:e7d3:a815:8a9a JOIN :#esoteric < 1443300626 47346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1443300645 397376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to understand this program the fuzzer generated: &ITR"\ <80>$59kbfkkk?^@kkk^MQ( o < 1443300659 459752 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sometimes crashes, sometimes hangs < 1443300676 204594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that <80> and so on are non-printable < 1443300681 183794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so is ^@ < 1443300685 951532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^M < 1443300692 662446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is how less displays it) < 1443300743 166213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm utterly confused how it even managed to get into the k code. It looks to me as if & and o should both just reverse... (Since o is disabled for safety reasons) < 1443300851 980305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait that is ^M, of course... < 1443301000 909721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that program is pure evil... < 1443301197 626268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run it through cat -v < 1443301202 399566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fuzzing programs tend to be < 1443301209 720921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused that that fuzzer uses so many k's < 1443301221 194424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1443301264 85256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm ... not sure I will even try to fix that. The k code is way too complicated... Especially the handling of nested k < 1443301314 573761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't even understand the specifics of how it crashes, but it seems related to ? generating a specific set of < and > but never any ^ and v presumably < 1443301343 289878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what about using a determinstic RNG seed? < 1443301347 390542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should maybe patch ? to be deterministic yeah < 1443301352 54616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that program seems to be a one-liner < 1443301359 158694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^ and v would just loop back round to the ? < 1443301362 754809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it isn't because of the embedded ^M < 1443301367 524331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1443301368 887929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is a CR iirc < 1443301372 905607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still nothing in the column containing the ? < 1443301386 710065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also k on a movement doesn't apply that on itself possibly < 1443301399 584078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to f*** k < 1443301437 583564 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443301520 17878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it possibly applies at some nesting of k or other, but not at the top k nor ? itself < 1443301542 709343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still I apparently got an stack overflow of nested k calls < 1443301551 890492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow < 1443301813 381688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what happens with a program that's just a single k? < 1443301828 418981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, < 1443301836 269791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT the /intended/ behaviour there is a stack overflow < 1443301868 784533 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:5c4a:e7d3:a815:8a9a QUIT :Quit: Thisbe < 1443301873 700842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing < 1443301884 706566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since that pops 0 iterations from the stack and runs k zero times < 1443301913 150796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, I see < 1443301926 232104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd somehow need an infinite number of non-zeroes on the stack < 1443301929 522723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first < 1443301933 356975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1443301943 534032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nested k it is a bit easier < 1443301946 526669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ykk? < 1443301959 917665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well y will put *something* on the stack certainly < 1443301971 383903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it will just end up running y a lot < 1443301973 907052 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1443301990 2162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out if you get a self-sustaining loop of nested k < 1443302001 448752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! funge98 ykk < 1443302002 434823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/funge98: not found < 1443302014 463594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ykk < 1443302015 418177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'y' (0x79) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'k' (0x6b) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'k' (0x6b) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '�' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'y' (0x79) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'k' (0x6b) (may < 1443302025 503186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it put an EOF on the playfield < 1443302025 929803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it involves ? to move the IP around between runs alas < 1443302048 337453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the ? is redirecting the k into itself, I bet < 1443302057 736430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1443302060 689544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about a program along the lines of k^ (in a oneliner) < 1443302075 381293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't bet very much because randomly generated Befunge is hard to mentally parse) < 1443302107 972326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you need to get ? to move it to a k for the next loop one level up < 1443302111 274256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1443302128 503142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need at least 3 k to start with < 1443302134 723782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* < 1443302140 238452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is super gnarly < 1443302157 837396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm that is an English word isn't it? The spell check disagrees < 1443302168 708675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gnarly" that is < 1443302192 889098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's pretty colloquial < 1443302216 706999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't turn up in the spellchecker's data sources < 1443302222 788989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are maybe more formal < 1443302228 511605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1443302287 504506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I think only cfunge implements nested k at all. Deewiant basically said "**** this" and ignored it, since the standard says nothing about it, and there is no obvious "good" way to handle it < 1443302288 784283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1443302315 813190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, it's clearly ridiculous :-) < 1443302330 49175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload has something similar, but it's uncontroversial that if you chain it indefinitely you get a stack overflow < 1443302340 395633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1443302346 34880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*:^):^ < 1443302346 213380 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1443302352 290769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was /quick/ < 1443302392 364728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! ul (:*:^):^ < 1443302393 318581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/ul: not found < 1443302396 622505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload (:*:^):^ < 1443302405 614153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was less quick < 1443302409 774758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe derlo has higher limits < 1443302421 625891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just doesn't print error messages, that seems more likely < 1443302457 867389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1443302461 172750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, this file has troll indentation < 1443302535 516016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo (:*:^):^ | ibin/underload -a -d3 < 1443302536 334472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `:*:^' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo (:*:^):^ | ibin/underload -a -d3 ' < 1443302543 390771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(:*:^):^' | ibin/underload -a -d3 < 1443302544 338624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45 < 1443302548 805078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1443302557 445844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(:*:^):^' | ibin/underload -a -d3 /dev/stdin < 1443302558 389055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45 < 1443302562 846320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1443302565 764870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(:*:^):^' | ibin/underload -o -d3 /dev/stdin < 1443302566 690860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45 < 1443302570 877265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm again < 1443302588 444373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(Hello, world!)S' | ibin/underload -o -d3 /dev/stdin < 1443302589 414723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45 < 1443302593 857602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 45 < 1443302594 936058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1443302605 95580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't a capital E in the program < 1443302742 324918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm even with a fixed srandom() it appears there is still some variability in the program < 1443302754 526491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the fuzzer reports it < 1443302761 617755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is an fuzzer that instruments the program) < 1443302769 325427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for more educated guesses) < 1443302784 405460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :american fuzzy lop, presumably? < 1443302787 87319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1443302787 387222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder there are so many k < 1443302791 270142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah :P < 1443302800 75153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you used it? < 1443302813 923883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I've read about it < 1443302820 588225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the mathematical basis behind how it works < 1443302827 467232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it actually hasn't found any crashes yet, I only got that crash when investigating a hang and it crashed one of the times I ran it < 1443302893 231262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443302921 640115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I think I see < 1443302934 96955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing #ifdef for arc4random overriding it < 1443303208 593800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn gnarly < 1443303209 739333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "gnarly" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1443303209 917323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnarly < 1443303209 917408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: used of old persons or old trees; covered with knobs or < 1443303209 917445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : knots; "gnarled and knotted hands"; "a knobbed stick" < 1443303209 917477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [syn: {gnarled}, {gnarly}, {knotted}, {knotty}, < 1443303211 809372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : {knobbed}] < 1443303247 783765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1443303253 28421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what the k code is < 1443303265 218332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A person and/or a tree. < 1443303283 367272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most code is a (parse) tree. < 1443303285 115581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally used as a metaphor, I think < 1443303300 48956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Still variable? How? < 1443303311 192033 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, less than before at least < 1443303322 351138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there could be some time thingy < 1443303387 93219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sH{wt < 1443303390 764748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this apparently hangs < 1443303396 964516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1443303426 369262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The fungot ^ul time limits are in terms of Underload "operations", so you can have some pretty slow programs, e.g. if you push two strings so that the stack is almost to the limit, and then loop ~. < 1443303426 582638 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just a minor reference here. on the flip side of the pond fnord hence the name monk fish) than the professional records? fnord fnord 03:38, 18 may 2006 ( utc < 1443303440 478913 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443303454 950859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1443303455 129286 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube < 1443303471 667251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell from the timestamp. < 1443303485 564578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, t of course < 1443303672 496963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, afl is particularly fond of loading HRTI for some odd reason < 1443303719 327946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I gave all the fingerprints loading as input, since finding valid fingerprints might be hard) < 1443303740 904989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ITRH"4(!tNNyyyyyy < 1443303745 152588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure how that hangs < 1443303753 230595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, t againb < 1443303758 922383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and N will of course reflect < 1443303765 337752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask, what does N do? < 1443303767 748823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably disable t < 1443303775 914118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing in HRTI it appears < 1443303844 283765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head is hurting trying to figure out what yyyyyy does < 1443303849 907266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from push a bunch of garbage to the stack < 1443304140 403448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is what it does, though not all of it, since y is also pick < 1443304175 305822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know < 1443304184 348015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm running non-concurrent now, since I got way too many "unique" t related hangs that weren't really unique from my point of view < 1443304252 770029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I patched in a instruction count limit, and "find next instruction" cycle limit (code doing p at super large coordinates then cfunge iterating forever to get to that point) and so on < 1443304262 107080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since those hangs are just the program doing stupid stuff < 1443304267 301663 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443304279 367980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is the downside, finding *interesting* hangs is hard when fuzzing an interpreter < 1443304283 166739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1443304353 168796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is not like I haven't fuzz tested before though, so some of that stuff existed, but then I did it with alarm(), but that seems less compatible with afl to some extent < 1443304388 624304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that fuzzing was just generating random programs and feeding it into cfunge < 1443304462 634789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea how to tunnel SSH through a proxy that fakes SSL cert btw? < 1443304473 562365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it doesn't just pass HTTPS through < 1443304478 724622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it MITMs < 1443304481 494064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what sort of proxy? http only? < 1443304487 220655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http and https yes < 1443304492 541137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the HTTPS one MITMs < 1443304506 168425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you use a standard ssh-over-http, then (not sure where you get those from) < 1443304518 639764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s in the https will just make things awkward because the mitmness will mean the certs won't verify < 1443304535 215376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1443304572 338497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used to ssh over 443 because it didn't MITM in the past and thus anything on 443 just went through < 1443304589 359427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I need to change tactic < 1443304619 683326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an acquaintance in another channel who keeps telling people to tunnel over DNS < 1443304624 227140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but while possible, that's really slow < 1443304651 66384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1443304664 480199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also wouldn't it saturate the DNS caches? < 1443304686 45599 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you have a special authorative DNS server that listens for requests and returns other ones < 1443304690 456961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also had idea before to tunnel stuff over DNS (just data though, not interactive sessions) in order to be able to use it from hotels and stuff where you can access DNS without needing an account or registration or whatever there < 1443304691 583916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably with short TTL < 1443304727 891010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think you communicate one way using the exact URL being requested (that's a subdomain of a domain whose authoratitive DNS server you control) < 1443304731 614220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I can't make direct DNS requests there, only through the DNS server DHCP provides. I could possibly tunnel over ping because that goes through unhindered < 1443304736 449166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other way using the IP addresses, TXT fields etc. being returned < 1443304743 855963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my idea was tunneling SSH over websockets somehow < 1443304753 41155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tunnel over ping has almost certainly been done already < 1443304764 512681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems even worse < 1443304831 148706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, figuring out a way to tunnel over http seems easier, the question is if it is compatible with running nginx < 1443304847 24811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could do it with a virtual host or something < 1443304853 536030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :websockets is probably the sanest method, to be fair < 1443304881 765275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if the server supports using CONNECT, just make if it receive CONNECT first then it can be used like SSH after that for the current session, might be one way? < 1443304898 186650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't find any ready-made software for it though < 1443304927 909751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, pretty sure the new one doesn't, though I could test a bit more < 1443304930 522687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443304977 428911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I know you can only connect to port 80 and 443 with HTTP and HTTPS respectively. You can't reach, say. a server on port 8080 on the internet < 1443305161 608873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PSD3"4(??????kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk???????ӈ^@^H . < 1443305164 655396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1443305223 907456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ӈ isn't even a real command < 1443305236 224724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does 3DSP do anyway? < 1443305248 801591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, vector maths iirc < 1443305292 579944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an RCFunge one < 1443305303 19906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector and matrix operations < 1443305352 841117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ESAB"4( N < 1443305356 313894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty strange one. < 1443305357 864238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why N from BASE hangs < 1443305363 712245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 3DSP? < 1443305367 779098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeha < 1443305369 417395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah* < 1443305370 434053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Sort of very arbitrary. < 1443305376 109278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's N from BASE? < 1443305382 625300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, print in base < 1443305392 125276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's to do with how I/O is connected? < 1443305397 246427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's trying to print infinitely many zeroes? < 1443305412 985481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1443305423 419303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1443305429 456592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is printing in base 1 < 1443305434 904861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1443305439 589812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ( leaves the loaded fingerprint < 1443305444 224175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as 1 < 1443305447 662667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the stack < 1443305457 594086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it's printing a very large numer in unary < 1443305463 699087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (base == 1) { < 1443305463 876981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (val--) < 1443305463 877038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : cf_putchar_unlocked('0'); < 1443305463 877061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : cf_putchar_unlocked(' '); < 1443305465 797899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1443305475 611495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is something that's impossible to do quickly < 1443305496 419877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could perhaps use vmsplice()? < 1443305501 718736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no not really < 1443305503 65755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gk{ < 1443305507 899433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1443305520 121591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't see why that would hang < 1443305524 515006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I learned a new syscall today < 1443305529 836797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the idea of k on { is annoying < 1443305531 713926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only works on pipes < 1443305534 971378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which one? < 1443305537 357589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmsplice < 1443305540 464543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1443305545 981127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well there is splice too < 1443305573 351722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is all going for that fabled zero-copy-IO < 1443305573 529686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that one, though < 1443305613 784438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPLICE_F_GIFT looks abusable < 1443305641 910307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it should probably be specified to munmap the given pages… < 1443305662 686266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wasn't there a root exploit using vmsplice soon after it was introduced? < 1443305668 907874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1443305675 294627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either vmsplice or splice < 1443305756 705994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, here are the hangs so far http://sprunge.us/bQJU < 1443305773 546400 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can assume that ^ is from cat -e I think < 1443305805 951369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of them I don't know why they hang, possibly my iteration limit is just too close to the actual time limit < 1443305873 934343 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1443305874 487036 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1443305963 449180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that double M-2 is confusing < 1443305975 205936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ! on its own even more so < 1443305999 510877 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1443306009 693104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes. I think it is just that the execution count is too close to the 20 ms limit in some cases < 1443306018 482273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :execution count limit* < 1443306029 910725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My λ-calculator is coming along nicely < 1443306039 193600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently setting up the AST evaluation functions < 1443306043 956181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*methods < 1443306343 209935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1443306355 383436 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting that whenever I start talking, everyone goes silent and/or leaves xd < 1443306357 454231 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD < 1443306376 992580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: could just be timezones < 1443306383 845930 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1443306387 138741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR no one likes me xD < 1443306407 373998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just that this channel isn't very noisy anyway < 1443306422 727787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, that's true < 1443306436 109894 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I publish what little I have for LIME so far? < 1443306447 182788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we prefer concise esolangs (like burlesque) over verbose ones (like Shakespear) < 1443306455 56696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I wait until I have at least one working thing before I publish to GitHub? < 1443306823 835496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this reminds me < 1443306831 848544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should push what I've done on The Underlambda Project so far somewhere public < 1443306835 141787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to hours ago but forgot < 1443306869 281898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1443306953 769906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: darcs clone http://nethack4.org/esolangs/the-underlambda-project < 1443306961 444550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone who wants to see how it's progressing so far < 1443307449 734435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think you can publish what you have so far if you want to do so < 1443307460 849714 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK < 1443307463 160505 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding: < 1443307516 78961 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* λ-expressions < 1443307516 258407 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Named Expressions < 1443307516 440437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Operators < 1443307516 440497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Anything else? < 1443307533 553059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that may be good enough so far I suppose < 1443307886 751470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fwiw, linux doesn't currently implement SPLICE_F_GIFT (this is documented for the page-stealing half of SPLICE_F_MOVE of the splice system call) < 1443307896 853671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh good < 1443307903 327297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it doesn't matter that its semantics are insane < 1443307918 260858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can always be fixed when it's implemented < 1443308042 649002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a let or letrec form, some sort of numbers with built-in arithmetic and comparison primitives, possibly mutable cells or even mutable bindings (variables) created by the lambdas, some basic IO operations, a repl < 1443308123 338408 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's a lambda calculus playground. You kind of have to define your own numbers and arithmetic < 1443308184 469945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you still can do that if you want < 1443308197 428282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's useful to have them built-in < 1443308198 872752 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, but I kind of want to make users define their own things xD < 1443308248 136831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want people to even have to transform let and letrec to lambda expressions by hand? < 1443308253 209772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will you at least add that < 1443308500 245440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ok, let me ask differently. if I want a lambda calculus calculator, what extra would this give compared to any other interpreter that supports lambda expressions, such as a perl/ruby/scheme etc interpreter? < 1443308523 738971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assume a not very old version of perl; old versions have a cripping bug if you try to use them as a lamdba calculus interpreter) < 1443308554 161577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1443308557 288685 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Nothing at all. It's just a simple program for people to do lambda calculus in. < 1443308560 38129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :went back to computer for a moment < 1443308565 579216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had found one crash < 1443308566 697287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FRGO < 1443308570 731327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ok. < 1443308574 216306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :after minimizing < 1443308592 682931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't crash the non-fuzz build though :/ < 1443308611 857452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: does it do some sort of reference counting or garbage collection to reclaim memory consumed by functions and bindings? < 1443308654 596293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, clearly related to this though: < 1443308656 148429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * In k: iteration: 1128597731 instruction: y (121) < 1443308656 326505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * In k: iteration: 1128597730 instruction: y (121) < 1443308656 326557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * In k: iteration: 1128597729 instruction: y (121) < 1443308660 972660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I might make it do that later, but it's a python-based system. So mostly no, unless python has some pretty advanced built-in garbage collection < 1443308692 43943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, python does have reference counting and even advanced garbage collection < 1443308698 459721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1443308701 334569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's probably a yes < 1443308708 549629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes, it does that < 1443308713 873157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you can write the interpreter in a bad way that doesn't let it work of course < 1443308720 252589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1443308750 744239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look at that tomorrow or next weekend (rather busy with real life tomorrow) < 1443308751 15898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tricky, you have to make sure to hold references to only those bindings that are really needed < 1443308801 620738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, it's called true, that's a built-in expression; True is an old symbol kept from compatibility back from python 1 that you shouldn't use. < 1443308825 607846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is \x.\y.x :-P < 1443308840 69047 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1443308851 672399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: correct < 1443308854 571415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now I'm trying to figure out how to get onto the second line < 1443308871 60494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you need the [ to run where the y is currently (using offset k( < 1443308873 556321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*offset k < 1443308873 734311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, [ < 1443308884 45104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [ can send you past the second line < 1443308897 100921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't run along it unless it runs on the second line somehow < 1443308900 837036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps the second line's a red herring < 1443308918 794906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I will need to make a debug build with fuzz testing enabled to debug this tomorrow < 1443308943 726482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1443308974 631396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it was still there when minimizing, and the minimizing turned it from this: http://sprunge.us/PHTZ < 1443308976 867637 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443309044 665308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so clearly the minimising did *something* < 1443309124 779382 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to bed for real now < 1443309221 129521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443309306 125761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is an ingenious case of variable behaviour though: "ITRH"4(G( < 1443309315 949070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now going to bed for really real < 1443309318 358271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1443309328 511199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that program is beautiful :-) < 1443309336 169913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it's missing is another capital letter < 1443309343 38709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why < 1443309362 819571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it uses the computed timer resolution to determine how to load the next fingerprint < 1443309375 499860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other variable cases also use HRTI < 1443309379 654487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But much messier < 1443309393 305239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, so that the newly loaded fingerprint actually runs < 1443309422 836431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OESc < 1443309432 108252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1443309513 512071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it probably evaluated to 1 or 2, which trigger different code paths in cfunge < 1443309625 292042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I thought you were going to bed :-P < 1443309941 521316 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1443311051 78139 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1443311547 885181 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm learning how to program from John Von Neumann and it is exhilarating < 1443311803 363852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for brain explosions < 1443311855 124623 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :goerjanod evening. < 1443311905 775878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily < 1443311952 446658 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds