(which admittedly made it easy to make it wrap)
< 1443416989 318355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if there is the injected CSS/JS supporting then.
< 1443417005 425076 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1443417038 154463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it disturbing that the help button for the DOM explorer leads to a Microsoft Edge webpage.
< 1443417059 283123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only am i using IE, microsoft itself doesn't really want me to.
< 1443417112 440947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do they make IE?
< 1443417158 8011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they want me to change to the brand new Edge, which i found horrible at first sight.
< 1443417158 649170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how good it is in a Dungeons&Dragons game to lose a class level (at least 5th) in exchange for two bonus feats and a few skills?
< 1443417253 421962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: codu.org is down hth
< 1443417265 323881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor also seems pretty down
< 1443417483 256037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to add a principle to hppavilion[1]ism
< 1443417491 129814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never name something after yourself"
< 1443417507 697343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good principle, especially with that nick hth
< 1443417517 265411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443417683 742706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417685 552772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​    527 oerjan \     182 shachaf \     112 boily \      55 elliott \      50 Taneb \      43 int-e \      39 mroman \      38 GreyKnight \      32 mroman_ \      29 Phantom_Hoover \      28 tswett \      27 Roujo \      18 Bike \      17 ZombieCheney \      16 olsner \      16 Jafet \      16 FreeFull \      13 fizzie \      12
< 1443417688 210821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits quotes | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417690 81056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​    328 elliott \     321 oerjan \      75 kmc \      74 shachaf \      52 ais523 \      40 coppro \      26 monqy \      16 boily \      14 Taneb \      14 GreyKnight \      13 Phantom_Hoover \      11 shubshub \      11 quintopia \      11 Gregor \       9 fizzie \       8 mnoqy \       8 FireFly \       8 Fiora \       8 ell
< 1443417694 452962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits . | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417697 142198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​   1487 oerjan \     614 elliott \     536 shachaf \     193 boily \     179 Jafet \     177 GreyKnight \     165 kmc \     164 fizzie \     138 Roujo \     135 Taneb \     126 ais523 \     102 mroman_ \      99 int-e \      98 Bike \      94 nortti \      90 nooodl \      86 Phantom_Hoover \      68 tswett \      67 Sgeo \   
< 1443417710 507327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits bin | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417712 378735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​    287 oerjan \     176 shachaf \     110 Jafet \      97 elliott \      84 fizzie \      61 Roujo \      38 kmc \      37 nooodl \      35 nortti \      32 int-e \      30 tswett \      29 FireFly \      28 c00kiemon5ter \      26 mrhmouse \      26 ion \      25 boily \      25 b_jonas \      24 ais523 \      22 Taneb \    
< 1443417718 277104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443417741 749689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Black, and if I called everything Black even things that are White, then you will not be able to tell the difference very well!
< 1443417744 882620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a weird character in oerjan
< 1443417764 307302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, my client started hilighting me but ended before oerjan's n
< 1443417806 656506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1443417822 504353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott has edited the quotes more than me?
< 1443417866 781219 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443417882 611216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised nitia isn't listed anywhere there.
< 1443417913 11256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it will have only one edit, surely
< 1443417930 339155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will be at the bottom.
< 1443418087 718182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1443418096 696742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect that's a pretty silly thing to be surprised about.
< 1443418142 615531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not clear what my thought process was there.
< 1443418192 59949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia, nitia, where art thou, nitia
< 1443418275 733764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is that the one which actually says wherefore
< 1443418303 377448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's nitia?
< 1443418307 56459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it also actualy says romeo hth
< 1443418309 288800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1443418318 575282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shocking
< 1443418332 869909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no comma there
< 1443418336 835109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/sgeo
< 1443418338 266586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott oerjan oerjan ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull oerjan GreyKnight oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia
< 1443418358 51133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid shakespeare ruining everything
< 1443418393 64361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Bike goes by Nitya sometimes.
< 1443418418 960286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nitia
< 1443418419 817758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
< 1443418565 929538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia isn't a thing
< 1443418572 590257 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My MC computer has a wopping...
< 1443418573 490833 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EIGHT of a kilo of memory.
< 1443418580 614369 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is BBC
< 1443418591 477547 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you know what it means, izabera.
< 1443418599 232719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /bow chicka bow wow/
< 1443418600 297128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, nitia is the inventory of the BBC
< 1443418608 150696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inventor
< 1443418613 305891 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok now everything makes sense
< 1443418641 254200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She is also the inventory of the BBC, which explains how she is the inventorn of all things.
< 1443418642 269127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e  \oren\: oh I see what happened, I had somehow conflated "conspicuous" and "suspicious" <-- itym "sufflated" hth
< 1443418642 475039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443418646 133019 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going AFK
< 1443418672 939048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bbc
< 1443418673 981513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs.
< 1443418697 706931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1443418698 726445 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she only invent things or also not things?
< 1443418710 573144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? afk
< 1443418725 974574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what.
< 1443418741 506472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KAFK
< 1443418741 825677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAFK 280515Z AUTO 18010KT 10SM CLR 18/17 A2994 RMK AO2 T01800166
< 1443418747 690288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did HackEgo deadlock or something
< 1443418750 892771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1443418775 263298 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar TAF
< 1443418780 3696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC is a British television show, don't you know that????? It is the least bad television show in the world (approximately).
< 1443418782 936182 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1443418788 334548 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1443418795 983717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LIMK
< 1443418796 506604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMK 280455Z 35008KT 9999 SCT040 11/11 Q1025 RMK BKN SCT060 VAL FOSCHIA VIS MIN 9999
< 1443418810 193846 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1443418842 318485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "VAL FOSCHIA VIS MIN 9999" means; I don't live in that country.
< 1443418849 626431 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do
< 1443418863 357636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn what it means.
< 1443418873 622423 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :foschia is fog, val is valley, 9999 is 9999
< 1443418889 52170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's secret codes for the romans to reconquer the world.  fortunately they're very bad at it.
< 1443418966 294274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIS MIN probably means "visibility minimum" or something like that
< 1443418975 653301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1443418977 176654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 280453Z 32004KT 10SM FEW010 16/13 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T01610128
< 1443418984 999921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1443418985 582240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 280520Z 12004KT 050V180 1500E 9999 R09/P2000N R27/0450 VCFG FEW002 BKN031 08/08 Q1038 TEMPO 0400 FG BKN002 RMK WIND 670FT 16007KT
< 1443419012 23366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter is a-coming
< 1443419041 989857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the stuff after "RMK" differs by each country
< 1443419050 916535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the part zzo38 didn't understand is the part that was obvious to izabera 
< 1443419088 463775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Save the environment: use continuation passing style!"
< 1443419091 605382 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes that was totally obvious
< 1443419095 374164 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes obvious
< 1443419101 771195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RMK simply means REMARKS and marks the end of the standard metar observation and the beginning of the remarks"
< 1443419115 458374 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443419166 515351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we saved the environment, and now we have no idea where we put it
< 1443419178 766768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know that. But I think the remarks differ by country?
< 1443419184 912987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does continuation passing style work with linear types twh
< 1443419192 82573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything change?
< 1443419219 828658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i figure as long as the continuations are single-use, it probably fits perfectly
< 1443419235 472932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then you _have_ to use it...
< 1443419254 687151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't matter, you can always use it if you want, I think.
< 1443419261 105935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But single-use continuations are much weaker than multi-use continuations.
< 1443419280 980878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might mean that with linear types, continuations give you no more power than not using them...
< 1443419299 895159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could switch the call order
< 1443419300 758634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about LEM in linear logic? I guess you would have to ask which "or" it's using.
< 1443419303 415699 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use it, as long as you keep it around
< 1443419323 34321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know you can use ! right
< 1443419336 143084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can use it?
< 1443419340 686998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person defining the primitive?
< 1443419396 888923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1443419421 789383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you cannot use ! for a continuation that refers to anything not having !
< 1443419423 653220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1443419479 878361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I guess LEM uses par.
< 1443419490 912122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense.
< 1443419511 336573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LEM lemma
< 1443419530 77410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LEM" stands for "lemma of excluded middle", obviously
< 1443419556 471538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv.
< 1443419586 619215 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lemma of excluded middle" my ass
< 1443419644 870892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with Jafet 
< 1443419726 793670 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a linear continuation more linear than a linear closure?
< 1443419774 59164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the optimal linearity is to do linear algebra in linear logic hth
< 1443419792 82450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: linear algebra and linear logic are hardly unrelated tdnh
< 1443419798 626262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps thtm
< 1443419829 577331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*x + 1 = 1  has no solution; you cannot use x twice hth
< 1443419856 831114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1443419879 63599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 + 1 = 1 is the thing that's disallowed
< 1443419892 202094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1443419917 890481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll continue to tdnh as long as you continue to nh hth
< 1443419961 981914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1443420012 353561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :httht
< 1443420017 161967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnhhbnh
< 1443420034 977329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that should be tnhhnbh
< 1443420052 694262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i went too far with "how the tables have turned"
< 1443422398 736616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok, i didn't even notice those until now
< 1443422481 53664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should play factorio hth
< 1443422553 671380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely hth
< 1443423689 291426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443424364 470635 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Twanitk1012 5*  10New user account
< 1443424641 306229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to see more cards in Magic: the Gathering that are like Sorrow's Path and other cards like how they have done many of the much older cards
< 1443424886 434344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443425265 695090 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443426283 608777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44452&oldid=44451 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+642) 10Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? -- Still unproven.
< 1443426435 410268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44453&oldid=44452 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-1) 10Hey! It moved!
< 1443426506 487435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound * (-1)
< 1443426508 20739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show a0)
< 1443426508 198905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M310246364343459938226134’
< 1443426508 198993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1443426511 439424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound * (-1) :: Int
< 1443426513 354023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9223372036854775808
< 1443428039 399217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that card seems hard to use, because of the damage it deals
< 1443428291 733751 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1443428315 974675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443429226 475483 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443429453 965300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out that a lot of English words are pronounced with an /a:/ in UK English, but with a /{/ in US English. These include at least "can't, last, fast, past, path, dance, vast". 
< 1443429520 966678 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick
< 1443429550 832484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a list of the most common such words so I can be consciously aware of this and don't get tripped up again? "path" was my current problem.
< 1443429610 566175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not necessarily a US versus UK divide
< 1443429626 159852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the strongest linguistic indicators of north England versus south England
< 1443429656 716276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and given that my parents come from opposite ends of the country, I tend to pick the pronunciation of that sort of 'a' at randomg)
< 1443429696 474786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do pronounce the a in dance different than the a in last
< 1443429711 496378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i doing horrible things there?
< 1443429730 696322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical r'lyeh english
< 1443429773 851306 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1443429828 686007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1443429869 837558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1443429993 724986 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gathering data, b_jonas, or just passing by to ask?
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< 1443430271 968267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Jafet: I was partly aware that there are two pronunciations, unconsciously, but it always confuses me because I always think that whatever pronunciation I hear last from a reliably source is the one true pronunciation and the other one I thought before was just an error. "can't" is so common that eventually it began to dawn on me. However,
< 1443430306 993688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heared "path" pronounced with /{/ in a song now and didn't recognize the word, had to look it up in the lyrics, because I didn't know "path" would be such a word too. 
< 1443430332 985938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I saw a list of these words, I might remember, and might understand the next time someone pronounces such a word with an /{/
< 1443430348 487947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "dance" might be more complicated, apparently the final consonant can vary too.
< 1443430372 981576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: north England versus south England? ok. 
< 1443430397 99139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dancing in Danzig
< 1443430495 828383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can live with can't and dance with two different prnounciations, but path or last sound weird with one of them
< 1443430533 514681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "last" as noun or verb?
< 1443430578 693111 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they different? :o
< 1443430607 807547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: probably not different. but "last" is a crazy quadruple homonym or something, so who knows?
< 1443430637 248460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is broken
< 1443430687 199824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "last" has two common etimologies, plus two extra rare ones that I've never even heared about.
< 1443430788 270025 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck consistent pronounciation
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< 1443430907 228556 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could intersect these two lists: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rhymes:English/æ- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rhymes:English/ɑː-
< 1443430931 986683 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately they're not actual categories for some reason, so catscan can't be used
< 1443430981 291619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'd like to download and parse and transliterate a hundred thousand English pronunciations from en.wiktionary eventually, but sadly en.wiktionary is lacking, there are lots of words that completely lack pronunciatoin entries
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< 1443431018 369321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though admittedly a lot of words have "rhyme" or pronunciation sound recording entries but no transcribed proununciation
< 1443431278 583335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sound recordings don't help me
< 1443431301 430899 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hm, there are three pronounciations for "data".
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< 1443436639 434966 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another english fuckup that came in my mind: lose vs loose
< 1443436655 484920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to, probably
< 1443436664 368451 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure on this one
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< 1443439113 91080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44454&oldid=43159 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+6970) 10added interpreter
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< 1443439559 394893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44455&oldid=44454 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-561) 10/* Implementation */
< 1443439726 661269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44456&oldid=44455 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+66) 10/* Implementation */
< 1443439864 936445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44457&oldid=44456 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-2) 10/* Examples */
< 1443440280 493675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44458&oldid=44457 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+75) 10/* Implementation */
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< 1443442413 285437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, maybe DNE as opposed to callCC corresponds to a continuation that you use one way.
< 1443442440 418081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((P -> Q) -> Q) -> P vs. ((P -> Q) -> P) -> P
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< 1443442616 557416 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
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< 1443444958 323219 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1443444966 130074 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Denis_40
< 1443444997 67645 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at HackEgo

< 1443445232 240906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Usually, when that happens, it has just dropped off the channel and not rejoined.
< 1443445391 736795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been going on for a while.
< 1443445586 695730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still posting those wiki things, though? 
< 1443445719 113407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1443445719 354247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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< 1443445937 16776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I guess it's just the umlboxery, then.
< 1443446012 937634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see shachaf used "`echo a" while I used "`echo foo" to test.
< 1443446033 517347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1443446050 535317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed messages to HackEgo were confidential.
< 1443446069 962443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's confidential and then there's "confidential".
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< 1443446096 770188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they teach you about PII hth
< 1443446145 415331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sure tried.
< 1443446163 965515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to find some error messages in "freenode.log", because I think I found some there earlier.
< 1443446169 699236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it's just silent.
< 1443446559 24942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a gazillion defunct python processes, and the lockfile is locked.
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< 1443446643 533610 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1443446763 244757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And quite a few umlbox instances too.
< 1443446773 60839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: lsof: command not found
< 1443446776 759068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so helpful.
< 1443446836 240381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to proc, I know 11 processes have the lock file open, but I'm not sure how to tell which one of those is actually holding the exclusive lock.
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< 1443446920 142919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe the one with 100% CPU use is a likely candidate.
< 1443446973 439637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what type of lock?
< 1443447021 29537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Python fcntl.flock lock.
< 1443447058 696067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what operating system?
< 1443447070 203884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux.
< 1443447082 998986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 100% CPU use one is the one running  `! underload (:*:^):^  but there's supposed to be limits.
< 1443447153 259252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: open the file from a new process, call fcntl F_GETLK on it on the whole range, examine return value and the l_pid field in the struct flock instance it fills out for you. that should tell the pid of a process that holds a lock.
< 1443447211 710549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'll just kill that one umlbox and see if it clears up.
< 1443447230 969286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :examine the l_type field in that structure too, if its value is F_UNLCK then there's no lock found, ignore the l_pid field
< 1443447264 386590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443447265 477629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1443447266 677393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'inventory': An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1443447272 340356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443447273 409707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443447289 836244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to fill l_type to F_WRLCK or F_RDLCK before the call
< 1443447300 960039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's slightly moot now.
< 1443447327 219052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I'm just saying in case you meet this in the future
< 1443447334 993732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBD: why umlbox "--timeout 30" didn't timeout.
< 1443447601 631063 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Afk wrote a famous story about hang.
< 1443447603 834451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'afk': Afk wrote a famous story about hang.
< 1443448656 201126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44459&oldid=44453 5* 03Int-e 5* (+385) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
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< 1443449076 385407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44460&oldid=44459 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ I can't count.
< 1443449207 484785 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : "twh" ?
< 1443449278 369506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will|would|won't help [the last reading upsets some people here, I don't know why]
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< 1443449680 532592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "that warty hog".
< 1443449747 181997 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite universal turing machine
< 1443449847 54100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocolate.
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< 1443450324 86622 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fizzie, tdg
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< 1443450326 467767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tdh
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< 1443451447 764889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : in particular, Vorpal quoted a value of "around 2^62 funge cells", which makes it seem quite likely that that's more than 2^64 bytes but that a loop that processed them a cell at a time wouldn't overflow <-- that would make sense if I got a SIGKILL from the OOM killer. Instead I get a SIGSEGV in the end
< 1443451501 358729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then your loop to zero it is trying to zero a lot more memory than you allocated <-- something like that seems more likely yes
< 1443451511 333903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> ais523: but if it's overflowing shouldn't the size of the zeroed part also overflow?
< 1443451511 512350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oren\: it depends on how the loops are written
< 1443451520 901521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is realloc() to grow, then memset() to zero
< 1443451553 876140 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the first line was wrong quote from ais, I meant his first quote
< 1443451564 691958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I will look at that later, have more urgent stuff to do
< 1443451905 101812 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, i can't join this channel using pidgin
< 1443451920 205970 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can't join this server
< 1443451925 118236 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say the truth
< 1443451951 893459 :impomatic_!~digital_w@215.170.199.146.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443452246 759116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1443452599 977534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443453774 629413 :XorSwap!XorSwap@140.193.116.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1443454062 698612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443454105 37847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION skipped the previous logs

< 1443454283 223769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like you
< 1443454287 10884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heresy
< 1443454295 88080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who are you and what have you done to oerjan?
< 1443454295 269903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, _most_ of them
< 1443454316 529337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well codu was down then, and tunes's format is awkward to read
< 1443454337 228198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the wiki announcements
< 1443454343 971988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443454374 340907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, however, search for my nick, so i could have a proper fit tdh
< 1443454378 632670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: show some responsibility, people rely on you.
< 1443454402 996376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I mixing up the logging bots...
< 1443454419 192994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be int-e either, he would _never_ register a wiki account hth
< 1443454435 114520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised as well.
< 1443454450 41906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleasantly when I realized that the e-mail address was optional.
< 1443454463 919848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend adding it hth
< 1443454477 768771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :duly noted
< 1443454479 821035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have a very reliable password scheme
< 1443454499 346042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite reliable and insecure.
< 1443454518 295813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can always make another account ;)
< 1443454530 598250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's scow
< 1443454555 574323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirgoLang had to do that not long ago
< 1443454555 752508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go back to being IP addresses
< 1443454583 848634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can disable the part where anyone gets to actually send you email.
< 1443454618 258248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably do that if I added my email address
< 1443454636 694153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not shown to anyone who isn't an admin, unless you reply to an email
< 1443454642 750163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, back to writing a review
< 1443454661 559582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know how big an admin one needs to be)
< 1443454705 982209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the first paper I'm reviewing where the word "useless" will very likely make it into the final review...
< 1443454723 496560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1443454807 279031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also if you send an email, i guess
< 1443454885 291870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: "that would help"
< 1443454968 991179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can see, i cannot get to anyone's email address
< 1443454975 302755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except my own)
< 1443455002 877978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps there's just a very secret way of getting to it
< 1443455271 542573 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout
< 1443455559 346201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44461&oldid=43949 5* 03166.102.136.7 5* (+42) 10
< 1443455607 887453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44462&oldid=44461 5* 03166.102.136.7 5* (+0) 10
< 1443455690 270404 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it included in a dump of the wiki
< 1443455747 399005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i've never seen one
< 1443455903 28691 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443455930 541567 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443456039 331704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44463&oldid=44462 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-42) 10Move batch specific comment to that section; remove snarky comment.
< 1443456126 540798 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443456310 581003 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443456459 2264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Hmm, maybe DNE as opposed to callCC corresponds to a continuation that you use one way. <-- DNE inatiafw hth
< 1443456497 574656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double negation elimination hth
< 1443456507 899006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :htiattyafw
< 1443456531 41867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiitth
< 1443456710 139087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1443456710 989536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443456807 131781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inventory
< 1443456807 936079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1443456820 882540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that did get through
< 1443456826 26683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventory
< 1443456826 708250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventory? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443456838 309192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about when i noticed HackEgo got silent
< 1443456851 947962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't notice if it pinged out eventually

< 1443456908 223342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel.
< 1443456910 485460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tanebventory': The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel.
< 1443456931 360565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a response to /msgs to HackEgo ~8 hours after sending them hth
< 1443456937 238780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1443456969 605198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know if things like inatiafw are actually readable, you might be a tad too predictable.
< 1443457027 41114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What, so you think oerjan should type out the sentence instead?
< 1443457038 322028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ you may be assimilating my secret code precisely according to plan *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1443457127 643589 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1443457280 103512 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443457300 450044 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443457448 375677 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443457913 506126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am not sure ais523 reads logs
< 1443458831 206201 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-167-121-101-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443458951 510513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk.
< 1443459013 506707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrong channel... my ghc at work is broken, stupid Arch Linux)
< 1443459223 690484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side i seem to have gotten approval to have ais523 send me his thesis tdh
< 1443459458 585424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can't find libncursesw.so.5 anymore, since there's now a libncursesw.so.6... I did the wacky thing and added a symlink, which seems to work for now)
< 1443459914 347959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fancy
< 1443459967 487927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is just about the only person i know of who might actually care...
< 1443459995 461922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually care about the thing i said?
< 1443460007 735955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :care about getting approval first
< 1443460012 718429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443460066 758868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a reason you can't publish a copy directly, by the way?
< 1443460073 505485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: I'm not sure
< 1443460078 858271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : and so far, haven't done so in case I get into trouble
< 1443460161 299835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be great to write your whole PhD thesis and then have it revoked at the last moment because you shared it with someone
< 1443460279 137460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spose
< 1443460293 978957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely to happen, incidentally
< 1443460341 859548 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1443460352 657438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent my application-for-this-and-that form today.
< 1443460368 746747 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443460378 732088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They told me to avoid communicating in any way with the pre-examiners.
< 1443460398 348610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long til you receive it? (or rejection)
< 1443460421 701921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have 8 weeks to submit their opinions.
< 1443460438 391965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I managed to fix the allocation size overflow. It was indeed an issue that the size parameter to realloc() overflowed, but it also overflowed in memset. What happened was that a *second* stack-stack-operation a bit later ended up memsetting outside the area (which was supposedly already allocated but above the top of the stack)
< 1443460438 606696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443460476 117054 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443460504 649532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think there were something like 5 different outcomes, much like in a journal paper submission. "Accept as-is", "accept with minor revisions [checked only by the supervising professor]", "accept with major revisions [re-checked by the pre-examiners]", and then a soft and a hard reject, with some slight difference.
< 1443460585 535001 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443460695 788900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1443460699 400753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1443460723 146901 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i finally got an erdos number
< 1443460726 77262 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443460726 362649 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :mihow
< 1443460739 579737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. Disclaimer: the details weren't exactly as described above, but close enough for government work.
< 1443460780 298633 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didnt read up far enough to see details so i wont be disappointed
< 1443461334 545758 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443461574 909526 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@207.197.114.192 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443461787 330827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw if you can trick fungot into allocating between 2^61+1 and 2^64-1 funge cells in a stack-stack operation, there is a possibility that remote code execution could be possible, depending on what memory it can then manage to overwrite
< 1443461787 968051 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i haven't considered dynamic-wind yet. spent yesterday making various packagings of my code, where compilers output proofs that machine code is _clearly_ more powerful, why don't many implementations have that mechanism? has there been any noise about the ephemeral jit?
< 1443461798 796729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1443461798 976955 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1443461829 610742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so if you feel that affects you, you should update
< 1443461839 976231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I should like totally get a CVE for this :D
< 1443461877 102877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Critical Funge98 vulnerability: Update now! | ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
< 1443461914 107565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443462036 734846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, review done. "useless" didn't quite make it; it became "virtually useless"
< 1443462249 200535 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443462324 342440 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462569 980854 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462579 394485 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES!
< 1443462602 989985 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT SYNTAX HIGHLIGHTING WORKING PERFECTLY IN MY λ-CALCULATOR!
< 1443462625 312878 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, it's the order that you /create/ formatting tags that determines precedence, NOT the application order
< 1443462628 331667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For... some reason
< 1443462651 631856 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds... unusual
< 1443462655 22237 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1443462656 701236 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird
< 1443462661 447188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it makes a /bit/ of sense
< 1443462679 598281 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This bot syntax doesn't work here AFAIK, but never-the-less:
< 1443462680 806654 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]++
< 1443462696 459525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, syntax hilgihting is now perfect
< 1443462715 287213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma hppavilion[1]
< 1443462715 465312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] has a karma of 1
< 1443462716 587046 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heh. We both just said /(n|N)ever-?the-?less/
< 1443462720 554666 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443462723 705462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's karma here?
< 1443462726 119078 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool
< 1443462729 271033 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1]
< 1443462732 848787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Denis_40 
< 1443462739 590284 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443462741 76147 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the calclulator configured so:
< 1443462747 46941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Lambdas are green
< 1443462752 190911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, it's accumulated from a lot of channels
< 1443462763 978826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Comments are a moderate shade of red and italicizid
< 1443462785 751273 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462788 139719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Parens are bold and bright red (I'll probably only make it so that is in affect on nearby cursor)
< 1443462798 171924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Names are blue
< 1443462830 200243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does everything EXCEPT λ-calculus
< 1443462830 840096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443462844 481614 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462856 95296 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a theta combinator that is equivalent to "YO"
< 1443462907 668310 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, (SLL)(SI) in pure SK
< 1443462943 497135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute :)
< 1443462960 391899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443462964 912126 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to expand the L's
< 1443462966 120806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it's likely you could only trick fungot into doing that if you found an arbitrary funge execution vulnerability in it, and that would be bad even without the crash.
< 1443462966 299156 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: scheme48 doesn't have a way
< 1443462979 306782 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462991 100790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1443463035 316292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good for scheme, but what about funge?
< 1443463035 494272 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: really nice btw.
< 1443463045 908730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, if you can trick it into running this program with srandom(4) set at program start, you will get a stack overflow:
< 1443463047 982889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"000000?kk
< 1443463048 162673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000y
< 1443463057 779507 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443463064 429517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have no idea how
< 1443463090 591025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S((S((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)S)(KK))(S(KS)K)(S(SKK)(SKK)))((S((S(KS)K)()S(KS)KS)(KK))(S(KS)K)(S(SKK)(SKK))))(S(SKK))
< 1443463104 500929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, though I might've majorly screwed up on the parenthesis
< 1443463155 875949 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put parenthesis around evey combinator expansion. That's correct, right?
< 1443463182 891218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what is it that you are doing syntax highlighting in?
< 1443463185 102841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1443463194 698013 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: λ-calculuator.
< 1443463217 37648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Tkinter as that's what comes with Python by default, and I don't want to force any potential users to install anything more than python
< 1443463251 434031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /might've/ used Kivy if I could've gotten it working on Anaconda, but then everyone who used the application would have to do the same
< 1443463309 527941 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443463313 907825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems any program on the format "0000...000?kk followed by 0000...0000y has this behaviour on srandom(4) heh
< 1443463361 800715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Bald Eagle combinator: Ê = B(BBB)(B(BBB))
< 1443463431 407967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ê = (S(KS)K)((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)(S(KS)K))((S(KS)K)((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)(S(KS)K))))
< 1443463432 458338 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1443463549 64205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I answer your question?
< 1443463566 446875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I guess so
< 1443463572 299767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to be able to use "one-time-pad" protocol which can wrap other protocols although it would be most useful for wrapping SSH and does not seem useful for others.
< 1443463582 217756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what is anaconda?
< 1443463613 985244 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Python distribution that includes the SciPy stack and a bunch of other science libraries that need to be compiled with python to work
< 1443463618 46549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway pip allows for installing anything easily into a virtualenv or into ~/.local/lib/python-3x/
< 1443463625 583421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err python3.x even
< 1443463638 503218 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried that.
< 1443463658 181357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I would use the conda virtualenv thing, most likely. Conda is better than pip, afaict
< 1443463662 159232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], oh? You can't install numpy and scipy with pip/setuptools after like normal modules?
< 1443463669 616349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is weird
< 1443463669 794510 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1443463680 949837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never dealt with those libraries
< 1443463683 797597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're written in C and are part of python, like the Math library or the Socket library
< 1443463691 208093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or __future__
< 1443463694 629769 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in python 2)
< 1443463695 13851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you can write .so for python to load
< 1443463701 128619 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@207.197.114.192 QUIT :Quit: Thisbe
< 1443463701 410700 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443463715 658003 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that works though, or else I wouldn't have needed to switch to anaconda xD
< 1443463721 613561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1443463737 358038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], but I built python extensions in C before, so I know that parts work
< 1443463745 95182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what scipy does that is so special
< 1443463762 876578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed Anaconda because its got all the normal libraries, PLUS it does sciency things
< 1443463782 446332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: High-efficiency array manipulation (multiplying by scalars, etc.)
< 1443463800 197824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good for data, I hear. I really just got it as a "Just in case" measure
< 1443463804 343734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443463804 821776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], seems doable as a normal extension too
< 1443463805 56546 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1443463816 997258 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched because PyBrain needs Numpy
< 1443463827 992185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But not at C-like speeds, most likely
< 1443463829 310070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use normal python 3.5
< 1443463845 809180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it is fairly efficient, it is the same interface that python itself uses internally :P
< 1443463854 500893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For defining methods I mean
< 1443463868 278488 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will use Python 3.5 as soon as Anaconda comes in that version. I'm excited about the @ operator and the asynch for loops and things
< 1443463871 973754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], take a look at python's C API
< 1443463874 405435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*async
< 1443463875 991774 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will
< 1443463880 84666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of several things to avoid problems that bad implementations would have, including problem if someone tries to send random data to the server, problem with synchronization, problem if someone in the middle changes a few bits, etc
< 1443463885 480269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fairly flexible
< 1443463896 144107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44464&oldid=44460 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+405) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443463897 373328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], So I see no reason for numpy to not just do that so far
< 1443463963 637381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], this seems to indicate it can be built out of tree, but needs a lot of dependencies: https://www.scipy.org/scipylib/building/linux.html#generic-instructions
< 1443463971 276073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not buildable with pip maybe?
< 1443463973 436318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird
< 1443463986 924174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's actually, built into Python
< 1443463991 636213 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,//
< 1443464009 584783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just kind of assumed it is because I wasn't sure if C can dynamically load other executables xD
< 1443464024 546500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], haven't coded much C I guess?
< 1443464028 468574 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really xD
< 1443464038 744937 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a tiny bit
< 1443464056 378987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. C can't. C has no concept of directories even! But most operating systems can
< 1443464060 836175 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could /probably/ figure out how to implement a linked list in about half an hour xD
< 1443464082 602219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically C on POSIX  and C on Windows can both load dynamic libraries
< 1443464088 336688 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443464091 355653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In completely different ways
< 1443464096 572042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1443464102 984766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have any consistency, can we?
< 1443464112 394766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not completely. But windows does it weirdly.
< 1443464132 985232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it POSIX that does it weirdly? Duhn duhn DUHN!
< 1443464134 66087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with the separate heaps and what not
< 1443464149 218042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX doesn't create a heap per .dll/.so like windows does
< 1443464157 858709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK...
< 1443464161 917230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of get heaps
< 1443464174 447486 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're trees where a child is always less data than a parent, correct?
< 1443464174 625805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to not getting the stack?
< 1443464181 240727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No that is a different heap
< 1443464184 704151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443464194 688749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap in this context is where you do dynamic allocations
< 1443464198 271470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you, Namicus, Greek God of Naming!
< 1443464199 863615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are not on the stack
< 1443464207 888252 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443464258 864870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have quite a bit to learn about the low level programming parts. Manual memory management will be a shock to you.
< 1443464299 558017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, the compiler just assuming you know what you do when you access data outside what you allocated. That is always fun too
< 1443464333 426851 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the fact that C has manual memory management xD
< 1443464348 679255 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read about C, and done a tiny bit of code, but never actually done a large project
< 1443464359 903481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do any C, it'll probably actually just be C++
< 1443464361 29295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to come up with a way to neatly handle recursion limiting in k when fuzz testing this funge interpreter. I don't think there is a way to do it non-messily. Hm
< 1443464376 626578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...
< 1443464386 240881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :To many #ifdefs everywhere...
< 1443464408 473830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no do...for loop? Wait, no, stupid question.
< 1443464418 347127 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :do...if? xD
< 1443464435 671296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1443464446 367765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do while loops exist, but apparently not in python
< 1443464455 478831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for one earlier today
< 1443464456 958882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. It would look bad if they did
< 1443464457 895125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at work
< 1443464461 15531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1443464472 501965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well how would you start it?
< 1443464477 303030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up doing a while True: ... if condition: break
< 1443464480 154073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44465 5* 03Timwi 5* (+11068) 10'''Espro''' (short for ''Esperanta Programado'') is an unfinished idea for a programming language that uses [[w:Esperanto|]] inflection and grammar.
< 1443464494 599749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no curly brackets in python, unless you specifically request them from __future__
< 1443464502 230858 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it look like this?:
< 1443464504 421191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1443464508 433830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :    code
< 1443464508 886690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a joke in future iirc
< 1443464510 554020 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :    code
< 1443464516 269132 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(cond)
< 1443464520 150737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do:
< 1443464520 328870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	...
< 1443464520 328923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :while x
< 1443464530 124798 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I think it does technically work
< 1443464532 568191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right xD
< 1443464540 946196 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like lojban instead of esperanto more. on the other hand, making lojban into,a programming language would probably end up in prolog
< 1443464554 198256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't sit right, and Python /probably/ should support that
< 1443464564 504595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44466&oldid=44465 5* 03Timwi 5* (-33) 10
< 1443464569 95253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we submit a PEP and request do:...while?
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< 1443464588 305067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44467&oldid=44466 5* 03Timwi 5* (+8) 10
< 1443464589 579995 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :with var as value: code is an interesting construct
< 1443464607 229197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well, iirc C# has something similar
< 1443464618 638185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what?
< 1443464621 61455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has been like 5+ years since I wrote any C#
< 1443464621 533931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you cannot put the while in the same column as the : as it would end the block alltogether
< 1443464636 765274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, hm true
< 1443464646 134060 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be special cased, most likely
< 1443464654 474187 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the python folks couldn't even make switch happrn, they will not make do while happen
< 1443464656 548430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, still a "one iteration, then check" syntax would be useful
< 1443464671 397972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would end the block, but if it's a do block it'd make sure it is followed by a while()
< 1443464683 772804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, maybe:    while-after condition: code
< 1443464699 994097 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like python  because you can declare variables inside blocks. Until I thought about it, I wondered how this code would work in C:
< 1443464707 868005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, come on, switch would be easy, syntax-wise
< 1443464726 416748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(cond){int var;} else {long var;}
< 1443464736 716131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch x:
< 1443464736 894048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case 1:
< 1443464736 894129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    	code
< 1443464736 894159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case 2:
< 1443464737 318061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    	code
< 1443464738 356925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    default:
< 1443464739 404735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    	code
< 1443464740 548155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch would be easy in syntax AND it wouldn't look completely awful
< 1443464757 861326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you should really do switch like erlang
< 1443464761 949741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it would, but they cried about how 2 columns are way too much
< 1443464769 274729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1443464770 103726 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Except in python, case  could have  be a variable
< 1443464782 826811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], don't see an issue with that
< 1443464793 241294 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's easy in c. void pointer :p
< 1443464797 476853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it is just a glorified if-elif-else really
< 1443464808 73366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44468&oldid=44467 5* 03Timwi 5* (+240) 10/* Types */
< 1443464820 274478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, where?
< 1443464844 626392 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilions example
< 1443464850 866519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1],"if(cond){int var;} else {long var;}", what about it?
< 1443464852 704096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Perhaps they could add an optional "end" keyword after blocks of code and call it a non-special case, so they could validate Vorpal's do...while syntax. Then again, that'd prevent us from making end a var...
< 1443464857 753857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are two different var
< 1443464862 315424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in different scopes
< 1443464867 217112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhpas a terminate keyword
< 1443464887 337805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44469&oldid=44468 5* 03Timwi 5* (-21) 10/* Types */
< 1443464887 951735 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know, I said that until I remembered that C had scopes like that, I wondered about that
< 1443464890 692635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, how does a void pointer help?
< 1443464898 41576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443464904 333157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44470&oldid=44469 5* 03Timwi 5* (+4) 10/* Statements */
< 1443464909 595438 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just assign whatever you want to var
< 1443464922 251602 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, there is really no need for that
< 1443464968 593742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find python's scoping annoying.
< 1443464978 129294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't each block introduce a new scope
< 1443464979 578710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44471&oldid=44470 5* 03Timwi 5* (+98) 10/* Statements */
< 1443464981 769760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a lot more sense
< 1443464989 711359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like it. Not having to declare variables is nice
< 1443464989 889461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And leads to easier to follow code
< 1443464995 737913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that I'm okay with
< 1443465003 791241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, perl's undef default is just taking it too far
< 1443465016 296868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you define a non-existing variable inside a block it shouldn't escape to outside that block
< 1443465017 350561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code, alone, is valid in perl: print(x)
< 1443465021 889682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my point
< 1443465029 353380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is after all how functions work
< 1443465032 833309 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually say "i find sth annoying" in english?
< 1443465040 26189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there's no curly bracket at the end to catch it when it leaves, just whitespace xD
< 1443465040 712475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why should sub-function blocks work differently
< 1443465045 472915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, no idea, I'm a Swede
< 1443465060 367253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be oerfextly fine in german, too
< 1443465069 886216 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unsure in englidh, though
< 1443465074 6278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard someone utter "sth"
< 1443465076 376485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], and?
< 1443465087 290563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], short for "something"
< 1443465096 754914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody says "iirc" either, they spell it out
< 1443465101 561107 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right
< 1443465107 33029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never seen "sth"
< 1443465125 220852 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUt you can definitely say "I find something annoying" in english, at least grammar-wise.
< 1443465131 589678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44472&oldid=44471 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Statements */
< 1443465133 711732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1443465145 743373 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You /might/ get a few funny looks, but it isn't an invalid sentence
< 1443465209 910189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44473&oldid=44472 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Expressions */
< 1443465218 727441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say "i think sth is annoying" to work around
< 1443465235 41697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44474&oldid=44473 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10/* Expressions */
< 1443465243 949837 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still are being a bit vague, but that's still valid.
< 1443465287 728497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "I find sth annoying", but it isn't very clear what you're talking about, unless context /makes/ it clear
< 1443465408 686130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44475&oldid=44474 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Expressions */
< 1443465414 127420 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I modify my λ-calculuator's syntax so that {...} is always a name?
< 1443465436 241400 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the regex form /\{[^}]+\}/
< 1443465443 172957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will
< 1443465447 545184 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For numbers' sake
< 1443465565 932645 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tsqwmngdqowjwqus QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1443465649 102675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1443465651 23804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was easy
< 1443465788 618914 :Muesum!5abeb499@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.190.180.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443465809 106198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{123}" is lexed to "123"
< 1443465818 610880 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not parsed. Lexed.)
< 1443465926 107292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44476&oldid=44475 5* 03Timwi 5* (+717) 10/* Properties */ Indexers
< 1443465970 281774 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443465975 399433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44477&oldid=44476 5* 03Timwi 5* (+131) 10/* Example */
< 1443466078 745555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inflection14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44478&oldid=11908 5* 03Timwi 5* (+105) 10[[Espo]]
< 1443466086 139117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inflection14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44479&oldid=44478 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10oops
< 1443466101 268109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inflection14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44480&oldid=44479 5* 03Timwi 5* (+10) 10
< 1443466110 985836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i find your lack of grammar disturbing
< 1443466159 377744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how so?
< 1443466177 827852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct me whereever you can
< 1443466257 273293 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443466303 701124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443466310 288822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices a strong wind blowing

< 1443466338 463875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i believe you missed the ironic reference hth
< 1443466348 884944 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay!
< 1443466375 666790 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is "i find" really a thing?
< 1443466389 772113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always looks like a false friend to me
< 1443466393 947235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if darth vader can say it, do you really dare to protest?
< 1443466406 676030 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-167-121-101-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1443466411 939696 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if darth vader says it
< 1443466415 335654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1443466431 565353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i find your lack of faith disturbing" is the exact quote.
< 1443466431 743449 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that finding things is an entertaining time-waster.
< 1443466453 962623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned not that far ago that germany is actually one of the few nations that synchronize practically everything in tv and cinemas
< 1443466456 727231 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Exceptions: If they're important things. Then they're a frustrating time-waster.)
< 1443466457 597196 :Muesum!5abeb499@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.190.180.153 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443466473 329651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any idea what filmjölk is in English btw?
< 1443466483 241164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "sour milk" doesn't seem specific enough
< 1443466497 283495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzs-OvfG8tE
< 1443466502 833812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoghurt is pretty much sour milk too
< 1443466516 604007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discussed with someone from norway who said that germans are sp
< 1443466522 628984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are horrible at englidh
< 1443466555 390282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point i learned that english movies and series are only subtitled there
< 1443466572 597976 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he thought leads to a better understanding of the english language
< 1443466576 814161 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may be right
< 1443466598 472309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, same in Sweden, only subtitling
< 1443466611 145985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it is a kids movies for ages that are not expected to be able to read
< 1443466641 667078 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1443466650 5987 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never thought about it
< 1443466717 941983 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a natural thing to me that shows on tv are in german
< 1443466826 749308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems more expensive
< 1443466840 595248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1443466849 817659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm pretty sure no one has any idea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmj%C3%B6lk#In_English
< 1443466878 135689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added an option in my λ-calculuator to use ≡ instead of =
< 1443466959 763857 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I think that helped me a lot.  Another thing is that games typically aren't translated at all, so if you want to enjoy video games with dialogue, you're kinda forced to learn English
< 1443466961 445987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah
< 1443466966 287094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should /probably/ actually make it start doing λ-calculus.
< 1443466981 348020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just wanted to translate a recipe that uses it to an English person I know
< 1443466994 787910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also filmjölk tastes awesome
< 1443467015 372987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION avoids sour dairy like the plague.

< 1443467031 712793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few exceptions for sour cream
< 1443467035 772017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? yoghurt I can understand
< 1443467037 64634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think filmjölk has slightly different cultures from other similar things, so it should probably be called filmjölk
< 1443467057 283575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well technically I love A-fil, as opposed to the other types. I like that taste best
< 1443467063 393258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, after 30 seconds on wikipedia i can tell you that there's no english equivalent
< 1443467075 974368 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the wikipedia article linked above, cultured buttermilk apparently acts as a substitute for filmjölk in recipes
< 1443467076 635866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, fair enough. You should import it and try it though
< 1443467085 235764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, right
< 1443467093 735961 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might just write that instead
< 1443467099 523729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of that before. What exactly is buttermilk anyway?
< 1443467104 887742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the section suggests a substitute
< 1443467138 597018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly for stealing his words while he was checking them

< 1443467141 340030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443467142 99428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1443467145 52357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttermilk might be, like, kärnmjölk
< 1443467148 202352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443467168 118433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever seen kärnmjölk in Sweden in a shop. I heard the word yes, but that is about it
< 1443467180 567638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does it again properly -----###

< 1443467186 905037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kärnmjölk ingår inte längre i svenska livsmedelsaffärernas vanliga sortiment. Norrmejerier upphörde som sista större svenska mejeri att saluföra kärnmjölk till privatpersoner i början av 2000-talet. Idag går den större delen av kärnmjölk som produceras i Sverige till bagerierna."
< 1443467191 772104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443467197 410014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is no longer common in Sweden
< 1443467200 440027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttermilk that is
< 1443467207 316962 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we use filmjölk as a substitute for buttermilk in recipes, then :P
< 1443467212 993926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is buttermilk something that can be easily found in UK?
< 1443467221 114207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably
< 1443467235 428389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right, here it is impossible to find in normal shops apparently
< 1443467407 272106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bored of my λ-calculator for now. I will finish it later.
< 1443467415 919814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What area of mathematics should I cover next?
< 1443467454 745980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'll finish it now
< 1443467456 235228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443467500 175759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finish mathematics?
< 1443467514 71724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be good. Finally someone getting around to that
< 1443467540 16928 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be.
< 1443467558 840248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean finish λ-calculus. That's different.
< 1443467568 830462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1443467584 905472 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't do everything IN λ-calculus, I would just make the interpreter complete enough for my liking xD
< 1443467599 954532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So other people can do everything in λ-calculus
< 1443467623 618189 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zknlxjhwnvfueabf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443467644 72376 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do a bit of set theory next?
< 1443467659 176266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatory Logic kind of got rolled into λ-calculus.
< 1443467715 523106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you can define SK in λ-calculus easily, and the syntax is then the same, so...)
< 1443467754 965093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], learn haskell next?
< 1443467763 496353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So what do you think? Set theory? Or is there some other really cool and somewhat simple to emulate mathematical system LIKE λ-calculus or SK?
< 1443467769 362441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know some Haskell
< 1443467772 733876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1443467808 693159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I have no idea, I'm more of a low level programmer. Heck I do C/C++ real time system programming for a living.
< 1443467819 499409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1443467831 220182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1443467836 222495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa about what
< 1443467895 731720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ?
< 1443467934 531216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44481&oldid=44477 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Types */
< 1443467937 579075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443467942 931091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1443467953 812671 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I do C/C++ real time system programming for a living." just sounded impressive
< 1443467970 306139 :Vamadeus!~Vegabonds@unaffiliated/vegabondsx JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443467993 342162 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel pity for him
< 1443468004 851052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, thanks. C++ is a mess :P
< 1443468014 427238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, but real time programming is fun
< 1443468015 775175 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is the least funny thing i can imagine
< 1443468021 429993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1443468048 865031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ι combinator is interesting
< 1443468056 3253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ιx = xSK
< 1443468062 500243 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, making big 200 metric ton machines move around and autonomously drill holes for blasting has a certain hard to match quality :)
< 1443468065 419862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent to SK
< 1443468069 305451 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd... have to move
< 1443468073 989527 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back in 30 seconds
< 1443468076 763962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, which is my job :)
< 1443468162 623059 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? ι combinator?
< 1443468177 849446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, anyway when doing hard real time programming there aren't a lot of alternatives. There is Ada, Real time java, C and C++. And sure someone has made a proof of concept in haskell and a few other languages. But nothing that is production readyu
< 1443468179 523208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ready*
< 1443468180 953305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly
< 1443468271 374044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only ι didn't need parentheses...
< 1443468297 654196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd fit well into my "Philosphy of CS"
< 1443468310 718471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I wonder how real time java gets around having a garbage collector?
< 1443468320 872103 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sounds a lot like fpga programming to me
< 1443468342 658122 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting field where you can do lots of things in theory
< 1443468343 15225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, ugh, thank god it isn't that. I have done some VHDL at university. It was... interesting.
< 1443468352 253362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, te fact that any program can be represented by a number of ιs)
< 1443468352 431507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is very different
< 1443468359 5709 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in practice you have to do vhdl
< 1443468367 302738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, the stuff I do still run on normal x86 and ARM systems
< 1443468380 81155 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443468417 580237 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate vhdl with passion, even though i have not wrote a line in it
< 1443468419 254445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Industrial computers sure, with good control over BIOS and so on (you can't have BIOS suddenly running and blocking your code if you are doing hard real time after all!), but still not an FPGA
< 1443468429 760344 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, why? Prefer verilog? Never tried that
< 1443468451 13561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is the fpga guy around here
< 1443468454 575188 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love something haskellish
< 1443468461 174252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443468469 349466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know
< 1443468495 880312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they don't, they interleave the garbage collector and mutator. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-rtj4/ was the first thing google found for me, looks relevant and neat
< 1443468501 458531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had someone doing audio processing stuff on FPGAs visiting the university once.
< 1443468507 590294 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute
< 1443468522 93407 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinint Iota with Unlambda's ` notation...
< 1443468532 412762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ooh thanks
< 1443468536 450209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's very popular; it's usually just software on general-purpose CPUs, or software on DSPs if you want to get fancy.
< 1443468539 969473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to build my own cpu with dpgas, but sadly i'd never use them
< 1443468551 982044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can represent ANY program in Turing-space as a string of 1s and 0s, where 1 is the iota combinator and ` is a grouper (`)
< 1443468556 116142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, dpga??
< 1443468562 91233 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpga
< 1443468562 448791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had some interesting algorithms that were very fpga-friendly.
< 1443468563 531768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/` is a/0 is a/
< 1443468563 868835 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1443468565 99623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443468711 577865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. No one? A way to represent programs in terms of bits?
< 1443468720 169331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, bit-by-bit syntax
< 1443468730 927742 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a step up (or down) from character-by-character
< 1443468807 95445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: um https://esolangs.org/wiki/Iota
< 1443468812 721442 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443468819 47525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There we go!
< 1443468843 100841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can't have been the first one to come up with it xD
< 1443468853 555320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44482&oldid=44481 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1441) 10
< 1443468882 500361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that's what you were talking about until you started reinventing pieces of it
< 1443468897 505846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. That's just an article on Iota.
< 1443468900 819139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you aware of tromp's binary lambda calculus (and earlier, combinatory logic) https://tromp.github.io/cl/cl.html ?
< 1443468903 561927 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about representing it in binary
< 1443468917 493794 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443468922 679868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well that's pretty trivial
< 1443468943 125371 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course, but I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before xD
< 1443468951 384133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that is a really interesting page to me
< 1443468974 505272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RT-java one
< 1443468984 598443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I got lucky
< 1443469002 93189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is ten years behind on the subject (real time, real time GC) or so.

< 1443469016 273808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it has an interesting approach to memory fragmentation
< 1443469037 81463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, read the section of arraylets, I never seen that approach before
< 1443469100 202260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so obvious (in retrospect, of course)
< 1443469129 671913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah
< 1443469182 658729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it's a real time thing; the extra indirection *will* hurt performance, but you don't care so much about that as long as response times keep within their limits.
< 1443469193 207470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, indeed
< 1443469209 639824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, consistency is always more important than raw performance
< 1443469247 371362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, also using a real time system is rather nice. The GUI just runs beautifully after startup finished. Never pausing or lagging.
< 1443469262 485433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the system I run on, startup is not real time)
< 1443469269 837079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work on* even
< 1443469371 777406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44483&oldid=44482 5* 03Timwi 5* (+832) 10
< 1443469490 477823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1443469746 601351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I still wouldn't want to use real time java myself
< 1443469824 202061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think using reference counting is a much better approach. And it has better performance. Combined with the right allocator (perhaps memory pools) you can still ensure properties reasonable for a real time system. Though of course, you will have to be careful of cycles
< 1443469963 601186 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443470020 195826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. Reference counting has worse performance when there are many references passed around and a lot of garbage produced... however... that's likely not the case with real-time applications, especially when the developers are careful.
< 1443470060 388987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for me, "Java" would be the thing that turns me away rather than the GC ;-) )
< 1443470076 566782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you get that backwards?
< 1443470098 238483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, We use a lot of reference counting at work for stuff like messages between threads (both point to point and broadcast events). But you have to ensure that the number of objects reachable from such an event is fairly small. Don't do a long linked list using reference counting for example
< 1443470112 389851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do a single structure, perhaps pointing to one or two other allocations
< 1443470144 963099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, DOpE is still a thing, nice.
< 1443470151 420569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, DOpE?
< 1443470153 804125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that
< 1443470170 572530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly sounds dope of course 
< 1443470177 841320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now commercial, apparently. http://www.genode-labs.com/products/graphical-user-interfaces?lang=en
< 1443470201 162779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you spoke of real-time GUIs and that reminded me of this.
< 1443470221 444461 :impomatic_!~digital_w@215.170.199.146.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk
< 1443470235 633053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, technically you didn't, you spoke of a real-time system with a gui)
< 1443470241 212801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh yeah, we actually run the GUI as a non-realtime thread
< 1443470247 788524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44484&oldid=44483 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1412) 10
< 1443470254 316788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it still runs smooth thanks to the rest of the system being real time
< 1443470281 556730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, lets just say that there is no way we would run QT as anything other than a non-realtime thread
< 1443470303 652271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it doesn't run smooth, but it would be way too complicated to show it behaves properly
< 1443470314 35272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1443470325 680251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know where to start
< 1443470331 915398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither would I
< 1443470352 803171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that is a key aspect of practical real time programming: Figuring out which parts actually need to be real time
< 1443470361 338662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And try to keep those parts to a minimum
< 1443470490 729559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page int-e: "Scout demonstrates that a useful and graphically appealing graphical applications can be realized at low source-code complexity."
< 1443470495 9974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motivation for DoPE, as I recall, was having several animations (video and the like) run concurrently, smoothly... which at the time the project was started (about 10 years ago, I think) was not yet solved by just having over-powerful hardware.
< 1443470500 880888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ on the second point
< 1443470521 106175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a bastard of the 90s and E17
< 1443470529 953028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.E. terrible
< 1443470576 47275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the main guy there is (or was) an Atari demo coder.
< 1443470578 40617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, we use hardware acceleration for decoding video from cameras on the machine (kind of useful to show when you are driving them remote from a control room)
< 1443470612 636243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm mostly reminiscing.
< 1443470616 808735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443471071 441151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443471149 323832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed a problem with complex hyperoperations
< 1443471161 541348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the successor function (but with two arguments)
< 1443471166 483572 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the predecessor function?
< 1443471168 153410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0?
< 1443471251 831156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks nortti
< 1443471252 756047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, nortti. Thortti.
< 1443471269 503242 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1443476282 200112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1443476287 932990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1443476308 769753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see @messages hth
< 1443476478 665195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh, I was hoping that's what they'd say
< 1443476520 40702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you forward me the email?
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< 1443477018 421134 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making /another/ program, this one called Junction, for fun.
< 1443477032 769539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a simple programming language and a bunch of APIs thrown together
< 1443477228 174736 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can make it read Skype messages (Skype API) and speak them (OS-specific speech API) in German (google translate API)
< 1443477279 964595 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have requests for APIs?
< 1443477300 659648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I've used If-this-then-that, and this is inspired as a FOSS desktop version of it)
< 1443477581 206414 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one is more for developers than for everyday users)
< 1443477910 344309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44485&oldid=44484 5* 03Timwi 5* (+429) 10
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< 1443477929 261601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think I have your email address.
< 1443477970 258651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ais523@bham.ac.uk (that one might not work much longer but it works right now)
< 1443478014 9520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent.
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< 1443478299 38530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, let me just check my filesystem and try to find the right version of the thesis
< 1443478320 35258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I guess you don't particularly care which specific version it is, it's probably best to find one with typos, errors, etc., corrected)
< 1443478388 238771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent
< 1443478476 145832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
< 1443478498 658824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it arrived?
< 1443478502 19311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1443478507 641398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how soon I'll be able to look at it, though.
< 1443478630 969568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many pages
< 1443478671 357626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many is so many? 
< 1443478678 557384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that, too, a secret? 
< 1443478744 592141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: section 2.1 should probably say "finite subsets" hth
< 1443478761 312193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're past the point where that sort of thing is helpful, though.
< 1443478782 171981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not sure what I'm allowed to say.
< 1443478857 68096 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GHC's RankNTypes work for infinite N?
< 1443478873 979570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC doesn't support infinite types.
< 1443478915 133383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for a thing which is like a multiset but can have a negative number of elements?
< 1443478921 183594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of pages isn't a secret
< 1443478926 949351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better name than "free abelian group" or "free Z-module".
< 1443478939 156272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using that thing recently, anyway.
< 1443478960 343299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443479081 545138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about a mathy name, but: "This package provides an efficient implementation of so-called signed multisets (also known as hybrid sets or shadow sets), which generalise multisets by allowing for negative membership."
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< 1443479096 12300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of any of those names, and shadow sets seems to be Dark Souls terminology.
< 1443479106 950587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the hybrid set search is just full of golf clubs.
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< 1443479484 374469 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does anyone have any ideas for particularly useful APIs I could integrate into my APIzer?
< 1443479585 450033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fancy tdh
< 1443479619 792408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "free Z-module" is shorter than "signed multiset".
< 1443479730 269452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, I'm even thanked in this thesis.
< 1443479806 724824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"free Z-module!" is what they chant on the streets, to protest against the inhumane treatment of Z-module.
< 1443479913 808065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't include the preface with thanks in the version I sent today, because apparently you're supposed to thank the preliminary examiners, and it's not usual to thank them in advance.
< 1443479925 949441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, that's also why there are no thanks for the opponent in the printed version.
< 1443479953 333331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what thesis defence method's used in the country you're thinking of there (presumably Finland)?
< 1443480052 734920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Finland. There's a "public examination", where you give a understandable-to-a-layperson half-an-hour lecture, and then the (usually singular, sometimes dual) opponent asks questions for, on average, two hours.
< 1443480109 601957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they even have snakes in finland?
< 1443480117 268647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audience may also ask questions, or announce that they are going to leave a written note, which they then have a week to do.
< 1443480122 202841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that nobody ever does.
< 1443480133 231096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like that question they ask in weddings.
< 1443480134 453574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, that's very different from the UK
< 1443480145 151598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the public exam, that is, not the weddings)
< 1443480146 944806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the "do you" one, the "does anyone object" one.)
< 1443480165 8754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of anyone failing the defence, although I understand it is still possible.
< 1443480183 488061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally, though, if it's actually your own work and you've passed the preliminary examination, it shouldn't happen.
< 1443480207 46386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK system is: first your university finds two examiners qualified to understand and assess your thesis (this often takes months, because PhDs can be very specific and the one or two other researchers in the field might be busy)
< 1443480230 631733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds approximate to our "preliminary examiners", of which there also two.
< 1443480234 21749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you send them copies of the thesis to look through, and they write a preliminary report on what the thesis is like
< 1443480262 688279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. In Finland they have 8 weeks to prepare their reports.
< 1443480272 345845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, a meeting is arranged with the examiners, and they're allowed to ask you any questions they want, to try to clarify things they didn't understand and ensure you know what you're talking about
< 1443480278 184304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask you "did you consider X", and the like
< 1443480343 733186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examiners then get to make one of these recommendations: accept the thesis as-is (this basically never happens); accept the thesis after making minor corrections; accept the thesis after making major corrections; reject the thesis and allow resubmission of a revised version; reject the thesis outright
< 1443480361 779451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus a few others along the lines of "this isn't worthy of a PhD, but is worth a master's degree")
< 1443480379 954141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor and major corrections are the most common; they give a list of corrections they want to see
< 1443480396 264582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is anything from typo corrections, to asking you to redo a proof or perhaps even write a new chapter
< 1443480397 945929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too is pretty much the same, although the details of the allowed responses vary.
< 1443480411 614819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor corrections are those which don't require new research
< 1443480424 443929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I think we expect just a statement from the examiners, and it's the Doctoral Programme Committee which makes the decision, based on the statements.
< 1443480438 840326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also reject and resubmit can only be given once against any given student, after that you either have to accept or reject outright)
< 1443480458 884691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds much like a journal submission.
< 1443480464 449797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my case, what happened is that the examiners made lists of corrections before the exam
< 1443480475 746179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the meeting
< 1443480519 33333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in the meeting, a major part was running through all the potentially controversial corrections and asking me to either defend what was literally written there or agree with them that it was wrong
< 1443480554 323581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it sounds quite similar, except we don't have a meeting between the student and the pre-examiners. Although you get to prepare a written response before the Committee makes their decisions.
< 1443480565 821964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meeting is a pretty big part of it here
< 1443480591 215960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44486&oldid=44485 5* 03Timwi 5* (+563) 10
< 1443480602 789461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an aside, here's something that kind of implies how rare it is to get rejected at the defence stage:
< 1443480606 8575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ As formal decisions on the doctoral dissertation are not made until the conclusion of the public examination, invitations to the post-doctoral party were traditionally not sent in advance. In the past, the doctoral candidate contacted the Opponent before the public examination to enquire whether the doctoral candidate could make dinner arrangements, and after obtaining a positive response, ...
< 1443480611 275994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I think it has three purposes: a) check for plagiarism by ensuring the student understands their work; b) work out if something wrong is the result of a fundamental or superficial problem; c) allow the student to fix mistakes made by the examiners
< 1443480612 298315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the candidate "hinted" at the successful outcome to the guests to be invited. Nowadays, however, doctoral candidates send invitations in advance. Permission to defend the dissertation in a public examination, given by the Doctoral Programme Committee, is sufficient indication of the quality of the dissertation. ]]
< 1443480742 184914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44487&oldid=44464 5* 03Int-e 5* (+243) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ not our bug (tm)
< 1443480744 369424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the system's actually quite different then
< 1443480778 198149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the meeting with the examiners is one of the most important parts in the UK, and the result is often in flux before it happens
< 1443480838 409632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have an explicit plagiarism check until the public examination. I guess it hasn't really been much of a problem. As for b and c, three of the five possible decisions the Committee can make involve sending the revised manuscript back to the examiners to check that they accept the corrections.
< 1443480847 261246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : the capital I annoys me.
< 1443480851 171960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you get to defend your choices in writing, if you like.)
< 1443480855 361451 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443480872 251849 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1443480881 187969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome _denis_ 
< 1443480882 150128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_denis_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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< 1443481052 447077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of places seem to have a 5-6 person panel doing the live interrogation part.
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< 1443481257 817714 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man... that disjoint-set forest algorithm.
< 1443481291 770589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it, except when coding Haskell
< 1443481431 133367 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use that other Haskell.
< 1443481469 46056 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that lets you do stuff like that.
< 1443481472 534868 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rust
< 1443481473 464951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell.
< 1443481496 612328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should do that
< 1443481561 656009 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what's Haskell as designed by the makers of C++? That'd probably be LISP.
< 1443481662 454386 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443481914 100404 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered haskell
< 1443481918 251851 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 it
< 1443481976 655987 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what algorithm?
< 1443481982 717455 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443481983 920486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn/porn e2 to e4
< 1443481996 160866 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it FireFly 
< 1443482000 360497 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out of my channeles
< 1443482007 13480 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the one described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disjoint-set_data_structure#Disjoint-set_forests
< 1443482059 444991 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443482347 899343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44488&oldid=44486 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3408) 10
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< 1443482553 769206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44491&oldid=44490 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Properties and Indexers / Ecoj kaj Indeksiloj */
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< 1443482800 969310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44494&oldid=44493 5* 03Timwi 5* (+51) 10/* Example / Ekzemplo */
< 1443482859 644229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44495&oldid=44494 5* 03Timwi 5* (+72) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
< 1443482960 381705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44496&oldid=44495 5* 03Timwi 5* (+139) 10/* Statements / Ordonoj */
< 1443483008 460524 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's news: trump trumpets trumped-up tax cuts!
< 1443483174 953745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44497&oldid=44496 5* 03Timwi 5* (+170) 10/* Statements / Ordonoj */
< 1443483229 186118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44498&oldid=44497 5* 03Timwi 5* (+61) 10/* Statements / Ordonoj */
< 1443483316 844805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44499&oldid=44498 5* 03Timwi 5* (+46) 10/* Example / Ekzemplo */
< 1443483329 815535 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually care about american politics but i just wanted to say that)
< 1443483455 179817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's better than tax cuts?
< 1443483456 746978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tux cats.
< 1443483488 553088 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1443483660 777619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :read my lips: no new tuxes
< 1443483824 737306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44500&oldid=44499 5* 03Timwi 5* (+826) 10/* Example / Ekzemplo */  Binary search
< 1443483898 129673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44501&oldid=44500 5* 03Timwi 5* (-13) 10
< 1443483906 798479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Trump still looking like potentially a serious candidate, then?
< 1443483912 205638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44502&oldid=44501 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10
< 1443483916 513964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of assumed that he'd have given up by now
< 1443484099 468307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_ for president
< 1443484414 513901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44503&oldid=44502 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
< 1443484456 116899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44504&oldid=44503 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
< 1443484534 677270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44505&oldid=44504 5* 03Timwi 5* (+7) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
< 1443484701 906790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44506&oldid=44505 5* 03Timwi 5* (+4) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
< 1443484789 912354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm a member of the opposing Grand fungot Pary
< 1443484790 126603 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: foxfire says: re: fnord?? 6"