< 1444004495 551466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you define a ligature table in the font? < 1444004503 895959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have to do it? < 1444004987 8625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to contain one already. And the ligatures worked in Gimp with a locally installed copy. Of course I don't know what's in the Google webfont version. < 1444005051 554841 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxkapolosmbjayoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1444005337 359107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444006054 950958 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512028.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1444006100 309438 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1444006357 451623 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1444006392 768423 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tell hppavilion[1] http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/Games/monochess.html < 1444006445 980515 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, looks like I can't remember which bot is which < 1444006514 233343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: you want @ < 1444006521 51857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ' < 1444006625 218129 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' must be ducanIdaho < 1444006831 696029 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/Games/monochess.html < 1444006831 910465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1444006868 474705 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be fun to have an IRC bot that dispatched on tab < 1444010367 335069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother had made up a puzzle of Hearthstone game; he has explained to me the rules of game so that I can know how the puzzle is working. As far as I know he has not put it into the computer yet, but it is written on two sheets of paper (he writes very large, unlike I write small) < 1444010430 392018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write large and messy. < 1444010437 887602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do you think of Hearthstone game? < 1444010459 244069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the odd things about it is that minion order on the battlefield matters, and minions can't be moved. < 1444010478 465292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know; I don't play that game, but I know most of the rules of the game < 1444010595 199454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The puzzle is as follows: < 1444010671 369239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You - Priest, 1 HP, 10 Mana, 0 Deck, 2 Fatigue. Hand - The Coin, Flame Lance, Shadow Word: Death, Inner Fire. Play - Gurubashi Berserker [Divine Spirit, 7 Damage], Dalaran Mage [2 Damage], Auchenai Soulpriest [1 Damage], Mana Wyrm [1 Damage], Holy Champion [1 Damage]. < 1444010711 422395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opponent - Mage, 22 HP. Hand - N/A. Play - Sunwalker [0 Damage (due to Divine Shield), 2 Damage], Ysera, Malygos, Ysera, Malygos, Ysera, Malygos. < 1444010737 270699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The second page has the effect of all relevant cards and hero powers) < 1444010793 391202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what most of the cards do. < 1444010847 182303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can list all of them. Hero Powers: (all 2 Mana, 1/turn) Priest - Heal a character for 2 health. Mage - Deal 1 damage to a character. < 1444010869 317456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too many for me to reconstruct it in my head right now. < 1444010877 941741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a train and getting off soon. < 1444010940 872732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spells: The Coin - 0 Mana - Gain 1 Mana this turn. Flame Lance - 5 Mana - Deal 8 damage to a minion. Shadow Word: Death - 3 Mana - Destroy a minion with 5 or more attack. Inner Fire - 1 Mana - Set a minion's attack to its current health. Divine Spirit - Double a minion's health. < 1444011015 352345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FATE CHICKEN < 1444011045 44618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minions: Gurubashi Berserker - 2/7 - Gains 3 attack whenever this minion takes damage. Dalaran Mage - 1/4 - +1 spell damage. Auchenai Soulpriest - 3/5 - Your healing spells and hero power now deal damage instead. Mana Wyrm - 1/3 - +1 attack gained whenever you play a spell. Holy Champion - 3/5 - +2 attack gained whenever a character is healed. Sunwalker - 4/5 - Taunt, Divine Shield. Ysera - Dragon 4/12 - Add a dream card to your hand a < 1444011072 860319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What a "dream card" is, is irrelevant here. I don't know what it is anyways.) < 1444011117 836270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your message was cut off. Maybe better to write it up somewhere with an HTTP address? < 1444011145 37450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the annoying things about Hearthstone is that the cards aren't specified. < 1444011155 72816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you have to reverse-engineer their behavior. < 1444011198 744574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Holy Champion - 3/5 - +2 attack gained whenever a character is healed. Sunwalker - 4/5 - Taunt, Divine Shield. Ysera - Dragon 4/12 - Add a dream card to your hand at the end of your turn. Malygos - Dragon 4/12 - Spell damage +5. < 1444012088 376259 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444012253 303756 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444012584 258499 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444013887 995877 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1444013916 126633 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444015940 351362 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444016768 451813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444016862 925586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some compression scheme for DVI files; each page is compressed individually so that it can still work whether the pages are read backward or forward and even if some pages are skipped. < 1444017071 671091 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks interesting: http://www.chessvariants.org/piececlopedia.dir/reflecting-bishop.html < 1444017801 184060 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxkapolosmbjayoy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1444019168 770597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering making a mathematical OS is Cosmos. Not for usage, just as something to do. < 1444020011 116783 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cosmis? < 1444020014 130771 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos_%28operating_system%29 ? < 1444020027 45940 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CosmicOS ? < 1444020382 613160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant relating to the bishop that I have heard of is "quantum bishops" where instead of going diagonally, it goes in both orthogonal paths to reach its destination; if either path is blocked then it cannot go, but it is OK if the diagonal path is blocked. < 1444020924 648865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: The first one < 1444021109 523159 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1444021121 976814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"expressing inheritence" -- why is that needed for a program meant to be sent to aliens? < 1444021128 928489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we want to beam Java to space? < 1444021137 725849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cosmicos.github.io/ < 1444021357 307464 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444021378 856117 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1444021397 618901 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444021893 888157 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444022169 470293 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on Scheme, actually. < 1444022223 351021 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm wondering is why we'd send a legal iscense agreement to an alien that might have completely alien views on copyright. < 1444022350 519056 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THere's also https://medium.com/@McCosmos/a-treatise-on-cosmos-the-new-programming-language-905be69eb4af < 1444022367 630816 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHich is a language someone might write an OS in? < 1444022436 866763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write an operating system in C or in assembly language although others are also possible < 1444022642 446241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444022941 48599 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1444023316 140111 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-206-90.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444024014 922905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there are two operating systems with names based on "cosmos", and neither is called "CosmOS"? < 1444024051 614236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: C is most common, or asm for older OSes (and the C-based ones normally have small amounts of asm); some more recent languages are possible to write an OS in, like C++ and Rust < 1444024069 463062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444024099 522931 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1444024142 295930 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just saying that because it was another possible answer to my earleir question, even though hpavilion already answered. < 1444024223 226520 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering why hppavilion is specifically making an OS using a specific existing OS. < 1444024328 834789 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing you need for a language suitable to write an OS in is an ability to use it without a notable run time environment -- because you're *writing* one. :) < 1444024617 933334 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDreeam < 1444025132 551040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDreeam: I'm not making an OS in another OS, per se. COSMOS is an "OS Toolkit", like legos of OS design < 1444025154 356548 :MDreeam!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1444025196 950905 :MDream!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1444025508 171269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Forth can syntax-highlight Forth, isn't it? < 1444025566 764132 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1444025566 942418 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1444026797 256826 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Approximately, yes. As the meaning of a given Forth statement depends on the words in place in the current Forth environment. < 1444027480 536508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some approximate syntax-highlight rules that will normally work, though, I think? < 1444027584 400711 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444027601 94548 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444027982 862541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444028739 871059 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1444029382 430392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: whoa whoa whoa, a mention of NYHC on haskell-prime@ < 1444029408 949859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, Jose < 1444029660 328026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my github picture is quite old < 1444029665 380248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take a new one < 1444029688 65718 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444030197 476280 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444030318 447359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444030326 436056 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1444030454 627696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a corpus of Arany János poems ready, because I used it to bulid a language model already. I have some other similar sized out-of-copyright collections of poems downloaded, but I'd have to process them. < 1444031136 263050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444031242 222383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't see why I would want to process anything more unless you teach fungot this corpus: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/bibul.txt < 1444031242 400798 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i see. you may well have made my saving throw. a whole tribe, you can. < 1444031268 82259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is from an old snapshot of http://lolcatbible.com < 1444031675 88742 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444032022 427646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it may be more difficult to build a decent language model for Hungarian than for English. There's all the conjugations and declinations going on, so you can't just match entire words. < 1444032087 115922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably need to use one of those softwares that already have knowledge about Hungarian grammar to try to parse words and sentences, adn then maybe try to build a model from that. < 1444032910 334429 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1444035389 401160 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444035576 254705 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444035633 664681 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444035633 842853 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444035679 395133 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444035698 970637 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444035748 373111 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444035834 246494 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444035891 86088 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444035905 28668 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1444036019 172501 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444036070 955370 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1444037059 491274 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444037370 664400 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444037552 522111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Or just use unsupervisedly-learned statistical morphemes and build the model on sub-word units? That's what we do for Finnish. < 1444037575 773981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although fungot's current babbling code is not going to be able to not put a space between each token. < 1444037575 952236 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you! we wouldn't get to watch my intake. < 1444037587 225227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's why it gets starting quotes etc. wrong, actually.) < 1444037975 280208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe. < 1444038109 478013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1444038109 694415 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1444038135 357714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs < 1444038135 535717 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts) < 1444038140 88743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fungot < 1444038140 283420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: of all, the first one was a complete the binding the crocodile's jaws are tied us up and left us here! we're the last, die moment of triumph of fatherland a bavarian standoff, but with the balrog dead, you probably want the next time. goodbye. well, it is rocket science, i now restart the universe, a better universe! we choose only die fittest people of nigeria! < 1444038211 847231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like all these crazy unsupervised training stuff people do these days. I prefer to teach computers the domain-specific knowledge that I already have. < 1444038287 181068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Very retro. The deep learning stuff is all about not teaching them any domain-specific knowledge, under the assumption that we'd be teaching the wrong (or at least suboptimal) things anyway. < 1444038375 465923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's not really retro. I mean, it's a significant part of my actual dayjob, which is totally not retro, but state of the art and gets obsolate every few years and synergic and all that fancy buzzwords. < 1444038388 336320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it actually works. < 1444038427 628701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there actually a critical funge98 vulnerability < 1444038439 732992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on the speech side, not doing it certainly seems to work better. < 1444038451 52540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Not really, and it would be a cfunge vulnerability anyway. < 1444038512 201002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sure, it depends on the tasks. I have colleagues who do all this crazy automated learning and mattern patching stuff, and some of them even understand how it works and use it well. It's just that it's not what I prefer, and I'm sure it's often a bad idea. < 1444038709 817873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was the issue? < 1444038728 975490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mattern patching? < 1444038797 848035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some missing array bounds checking or similar I'd guess. < 1444039153 754544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Something like what b_jonas says. Some highly unlikely stack-stack operations might possibly under contrived enough conditions lead to arbitrary code execution. < 1444039184 759685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall a mention about integer overflow regarding some memory allocations. < 1444039367 447018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!oeis 1 2 5 12 29 70 169 408 985 2378 5741 < 1444039369 478529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oeis 1 2 5 12 29 70 169 408 985 2378 5741 < 1444039370 164368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oeis: not found < 1444039375 755181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have an oeis bot here? < 1444039490 558497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A000129 < 1444039852 808808 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do < 1444039929 30445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, it's a famous sequence. you can tell because it has such a low A-number.) < 1444040198 714349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1444040256 940276 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I believe lambdabot has oeisiness < 1444040262 355210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 2 5 12 29 < 1444040269 426813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pell numbers: a(0) = 0, a(1) = 1; for n > 1, a(n) = 2*a(n-1) + a(n-2).[0,1,2... < 1444040451 720309 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I have a lecture on Eodermdrome-like programming languages in just over 3 hours < 1444040472 847434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok < 1444040654 886382 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1444041337 63548 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444042059 504716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilhy < 1444042269 450459 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444042288 314792 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1444043097 648174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always think that a lot of smbc-comics strips are similar to xkcd strips, though I'm not sure which one copies of the other. but today is the first time smbc-comics reminds me to a PBF strip: compare http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3881 with http://pbfcomics.com/262/ < 1444043135 736312 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ludlndmjbictrzuc QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444043150 495395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean look at it, the circular design with three hanging feathers, they seem like exactly the same object in the two strips in different drawing styles. < 1444043250 959474 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are dream catchers. you hang them over your bed to catch dreams, and the jingly bits (feathers, beads, jingly stuff) help the good ones trickle back into your head. < 1444043710 584404 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :reichsbender < 1444043749 642023 :reichsbender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :respubilkbender < 1444043765 766851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sure < 1444043794 954531 :respubilkbender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1444043819 886754 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: seriously. < 1444043842 993404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, that's the intent, and that's what counts, eh?) < 1444043970 101695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, and it works in those two strips < 1444044098 600350 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facedesks through his mechanical keyboard and punches a hole into the floor
< 1444044106 423555 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. they do. < 1444044155 547064 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ddzvovelsymykxfa JOIN :#esoteric < 1444044532 730286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ANALYTIC CHICKEN < 1444045026 569987 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ddzvovelsymykxfa QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444045779 67332 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444045920 471641 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444046196 936810 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444046323 25705 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fsfufjnalnpbtzqc JOIN :#esoteric < 1444046575 130927 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444046943 310781 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444047320 616650 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444048682 415837 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444048738 972620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07081514]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44594&oldid=37670 5* 03178.8.154.25 5* (+35) 10/* Hello World */ < 1444048788 232194 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1444048818 964906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07081514]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44595&oldid=44594 5* 03178.8.154.25 5* (+2) 10/* Hello World */ < 1444048941 101283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44596&oldid=44157 5* 03178.8.154.25 5* (+140) 10 < 1444048987 887493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44597&oldid=44596 5* 03178.8.154.25 5* (+1) 10 < 1444049263 848401 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1444050174 923030 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444050727 357858 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444050737 941205 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-igrowizbhnvdlnbr JOIN :#esoteric < 1444050772 286131 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444050895 554251 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-ikmeeqpalyygqsjp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444052377 302858 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1444052396 952852 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444052529 10817 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :"difficult to read because of category theory" -- warning in the lecture slides applied to a textbook < 1444052854 436161 :MDream!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1444053794 976342 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1444054320 730389 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444055161 755824 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn category theorists... all they do is write hard-to-read textbooks < 1444055172 762514 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and categorise things < 1444055615 530389 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1444055950 69740 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444056188 704058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1444056190 749177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08checoin 09compiarcoin 02cractcoin 06arcalcoin 13cowellcoin 04obackoutcoin 07forecoin 08jehincoin 09dnrcoin 02iothetcoin 06juresolcoin 13belibecoin 04fromecoin 07breludeltopfncoin 08hevcoin 09quycoin 02mouslicoin 06dokcoin 13254coin 04catucoin < 1444056208 792045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins -w 8 < 1444056209 730678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: w < 1444056211 787541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins -l 8 < 1444056212 910868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13validcoin 04datasets:coin 07--eng-1Mcoin 08--eng-allcoin 09--eng-fictioncoin 02--eng-gbcoin 06--eng-uscoin 13--frenchcoin 04--germancoin 07--hebrewcoin 08--russiancoin 09--spanishcoin 02--irishcoin 06--german-medicalcoin 13--bulgariancoin 04--catalancoin 07--swedishcoin 08--braziliancoin 09--canadian-english-insanecoin 02-- < 1444056223 459061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins -s 8 < 1444056224 519233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: s < 1444056226 355744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins -d 8 < 1444056228 259105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08tlocoin 09(L-T:coin 024)coin 06rookushkacoin 13(L-T:coin 041)coin 07budslhcoin 08(L-T:coin 094)coin 02vidalcoin 06(L-T:coin 130)coin 04bemoledcoin 07(L-T:coin 08-1)coin 09loqucedcoin 02(L-T:coin 062)coin 13vercoin 04(L-T:coin 071)coin 08azocoin 09(L-T:coin 024)coin < 1444056238 122553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help < 1444056239 90712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1444056249 220682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help | tail -n+5 < 1444056250 689081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: n \ Unknown option: + \ Unknown option: 5 < 1444056258 177084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help | tail +5 < 1444056259 161461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1444056279 683578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help |& tail +5 < 1444056280 629093 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1444056287 874281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help |& tail -n+5 < 1444056288 697207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: n \ Unknown option: + \ Unknown option: 5 < 1444056292 144149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1444056300 380317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help |& sed 1,5d < 1444056301 255156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1444056309 837739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help 2>&1 | sed 1,5d < 1444056310 681200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1444056317 90308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1444056324 486574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --help |& tail -n+5 < 1444056325 598152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger datasets more influential \ -o, --target-offset change the target length offset used in the \ < 1444056334 51544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --help |& tail -n+10 < 1444056334 939992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ word generation algorithm; use negative integers \ for best results < 1444056340 200933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --help |& tail -n+15 < 1444056341 155865 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1444056346 732060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins -o 5 < 1444056348 687609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06belopillarteercoin < 1444056357 311453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins -o 2 < 1444056359 91895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07stningcoin < 1444056373 214944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/coin < 1444056374 206384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/coin: No such file or directory < 1444056376 143502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/coins < 1444056376 873970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1444056394 178309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins 20 < 1444056395 967986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08wigthcoin 09lavoorcoin 02ignolocoin 06gincoin 13adacoin 04reposiecoin 07fbrcvcoin 08derfeighcoin 09trucccoin 02casurvacoin 06einhabacoin 13dorecoin 04speriacoin 07carcoin 08lavocoin 09mizzcoin 02izationcoin 06foleurcoin 13eranslycoin 04entcoin < 1444056402 164636 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1444056420 980531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o 5 10 < 1444056422 852268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07fracanahexamcoin 08penneationcoin 09coluedlocaticicoin 02sioneuburnoteincoin 06intryedwincouucoin 13wilheyncoin 04puratumquecoin 07coromieredcoin 08cautonagecoin 09uownediumfactationcoin < 1444056425 574656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o 10 10 < 1444056427 302153 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1444056427 589873 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13angealpebrocicoin 04gustfulladeauxcoin 07honsorcvicalumcoin 08ioxichtinardswortalcoin 09prinallylenchilledcoin 02werenglcsorcoin 06canamiddktopicantericucoin 13lastitionerabillycoin 04goretcompraylentcoin 07gustocqueenvolutedrivercoin < 1444056428 587083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o -5 10 < 1444056430 508332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13relrenccoin 04bosocoin 07xvhcoin 08unmecoin 09wclcoin 02sichcoin 06mniftcoin 13serencoin 04torcoin 07prpcoin < 1444056435 200068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o -10 10 < 1444056437 106503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04iaucoin 07gercoin 08ethcoin 09mattcoin 02rpxcoin 06concoin 13fricoin 04knfcoin 07percoin 08upportcoin < 1444056472 985648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :penneation-coin, in-tryed-win-couu-coin, wil-hey-n-coin, cautonage-coin < 1444056536 555448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ethcoin" sounds networky enough. < 1444056553 660614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bosocoin < 1444056563 659214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and torcoin < 1444056997 545283 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1444057203 620314 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-84-176.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444057350 742869 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [wait a sec] < 1444057804 269804 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-84-176.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- < 1444058544 239900 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1444058720 69098 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444058818 969758 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444058986 73538 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444060126 688425 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1444060135 133174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm booked to see Tony Hoare next month < 1444060245 700436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( so that fulfills a precondition; what's the post-condition of that step? ) < 1444060272 300172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong Hoare though :P < 1444060295 100159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not. < 1444060311 700942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antony... Tony. Meh. < 1444060319 264174 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-171-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444060434 587529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the same name, really < 1444060552 334380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers someone saying something recently about groups with 2 generators of order 3 being finite, but cannot find again (also i'm pretty sure that's wrong if only the generators are order 3)
< 1444060584 881321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tony Hoare: Pro Skater < 1444060606 1856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :another early GG update < 1444060609 152514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was longer ago than i think < 1444060631 105912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm starting to wonder if seffie is not evil or something < 1444060699 21190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps it's just a little sibling rivalry < 1444060955 712320 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444061113 36874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1444061202 443156 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444061807 895854 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444062099 929559 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444062311 285666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444062477 39057 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddvvch < 1444062479 404040 :heddvvch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1444062494 274705 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444062597 896091 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1444062618 745961 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444062753 332831 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1444063301 131521 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444063521 840466 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1444064261 291357 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444065370 901419 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1444066071 357676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Put all cards from your graveyard on top of your library in a random order; you are not allowed to see the order. ;; Delve < 1444066102 45602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wouldn't that say "shuffle" somewhere? < 1444066114 211641 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444066128 939782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write it with "shuffle", but maybe not because you are not allowed to see the order < 1444066146 863907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I guess it wouldn't be "shuffle" < 1444066159 472538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be confusable with "shuffle your graveyard to your library" which already exists < 1444066450 437927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, wait, were you here when we discussed large finite loops and http://www.mezzacotta.net/magic/goldfish/ with ais a few days ago? < 1444066484 727805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit dizzying to me (not in the sense of Dizzy Spell) < 1444066490 10494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the huge numbers < 1444066513 993415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also mentioned infinite loops. again. < 1444069115 774834 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :can < 1444069120 361713 :can!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1444069252 167360 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444069391 413479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was on here and could read what was being written on this channel at this time < 1444069698 932907 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444070256 438022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444072665 823269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: strange. depending on the browser I sometimes still get the problem where the hanzi on the fontdemo page don't line up to a grid. < 1444072864 434472 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444073376 768225 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444074868 848355 :DominikC!~dominik@x590e0832.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1444074882 809450 :DominikC!~dominik@x590e0832.dyn.telefonica.de PART :#esoteric < 1444075386 53701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not consider it to be such a good idea to do line breaking in the middle of parts of a paragraph that are written in the reverse direction from the main direction of the paragraph. Use a block quote if you need such things. < 1444076868 434434 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444077028 326781 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444077623 782053 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444078177 52817 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444079080 688508 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444079482 244240 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444079508 553598 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1444080064 524339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444080920 696406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1444080957 844607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let ljoin [x] = x; ljoin xs | any null xs = [] | otherwise = concat xs < 1444080958 958404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1444081001 827614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \xs -> ljoin (ljoin xs) == (ljoin (map ljoin xs) :: [Int]) < 1444081003 387595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1444081023 556939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah i'd forgot that example! time to edit my SO answer... < 1444081381 669082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1444081403 869208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let kjoin xs | any null xs = [] | otherwise = concat xs < 1444081404 872830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1444081427 591762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \xs -> kjoin (kjoin xs) == (kjoin (map kjoin xs) :: [Int]) < 1444081428 977412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1444081837 987764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they any different? < 1444081878 515249 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \xs -> ljoin xs == kjoin xs < 1444081880 573865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1444082197 550934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444082200 711974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to see the EsoGUI < 1444082242 6848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: oh those aren't different, i just realized i didn't need the specific [x] case if i'm not caring about bottom. < 1444082312 91435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible i've forgotten what the extra check was, anyway < 1444082341 71430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: anyway, this is an alternative Monad instance for finite lists, that has the exact same Applicative. < 1444082344 748855 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: windows 8? < 1444082353 302730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1444082409 524894 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Wow. That was an amazing burn. < 1444082435 256981 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: By "EsoGUI" I mean an Esoteric GUI Toolkit < 1444082471 840029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Geometry Manager should do something like use the intersections of curves to position widgets < 1444082570 851359 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444082624 650089 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the curves' significant points need to be based off of other significant points, the primatives being the midpoints of the edges and the corners < 1444082709 715287 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the primatives will be the corners and a function to locate the midpoint of a line derived from two points < 1444082716 807570 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*primitives < 1444082923 278244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it using Xlib or something else? < 1444082937 371179 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444082969 708727 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know how I'm going to implement it yet. I'm considering Tkinter canvases, but that'd probably be pretty inefficient < 1444083157 561406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing the doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EVsJB5JIBcSDUjAx4kvr_-cP707Qqktg1Frcp-W4xhw/edit?usp=sharing < 1444083168 301636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone feels like providing their input directly. < 1444083346 361899 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444083596 787304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the best type of curve/waveform/whatever be to use for this? I need something powerful, where I can basically declare a widget's location as being at all intersections between two of these forms. < 1444083643 735724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourier series perhaps? Probably not. Bezier curves are my current usage, but that seems a bit stupid, as they're more for graphics < 1444083689 996584 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe use a geometry manager based on a hybrid between Polar Coordinates and the Golden Spiral? < 1444083836 917045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? < 1444083916 768572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator#rating wat < 1444083941 13487 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what that means < 1444083947 540674 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that I don't like it because php. < 1444083972 155319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esoteric widgets could we use? < 1444083988 455151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make this the INTERCAL of GUIs, designed to be entirely unlike normal GUI languages < 1444084002 321259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1444084283 566708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Esolang Adjectives14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44598&oldid=44580 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+534) 10Added classes < 1444084324 163181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you have any widget suggestions? Things entirely different from how you've normally interacted with computers < 1444084332 375573 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444084354 804437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the basic unit of interaction should be dragging < 1444084364 642783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragging letters into a text box in order to create words, and the like < 1444084365 16585 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent idea... < 1444084369 512333 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1444084372 702233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good < 1444084386 835882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not 3-point click-to-insert < 1444084399 590880 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click a letter, click a node, click a final destination? < 1444084405 833074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The node being a transformation thing < 1444084473 694466 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :criteria is plural < 1444084494 266285 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Correct. Um. What were you getting at? < 1444084508 59889 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing on php.net should say criterion, i believe < 1444084515 321653 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's criterium < 1444084522 602028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not criterion < 1444084524 467839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has a tendency not to care about that < 1444084532 525142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: greek vs. latin < 1444084541 563206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might consider both correct < 1444084544 751112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1444084594 777660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm used to -on in english but in norwegian kriterium is obligatory. well, or the entirely norwegianized kriterie < 1444084623 655893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is the latter actually common... < 1444084627 783331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: On second thought, dragging as the basic unit fo interaction isn't quite esoteric enough xD. I mean, phones do that all the time. Dragging and tapping. < 1444084680 317989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well tapping normally takes precedence to dragging < 1444084684 21650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1444084688 420665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could add a rule that tapping something always deletes it, for example < 1444084693 200245 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about mouse /releasing/ is used instead of mouse /pressing/? < 1444084695 65825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be logical and follow no normal rules < 1444084705 512212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: actually most dialog boxes in practice use mouse releasing < 1444084708 500479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just haven't noticed < 1444084712 205756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open a random dialog box and try it < 1444084721 52342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hyperlinks, OTOH, are normally based on mouse pressing) < 1444084726 192234 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1444084736 675977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noticed that < 1444084748 213840 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they do, but only if the mousedown also happened there < 1444084757 279872 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buttons don't go off until you mouse up, giving you a last-minute opportunity to change your mind < 1444084767 44414 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps mouse movement as the basic unit, without clicking? < 1444084775 379260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mouse movement, entry, and leaving < 1444084777 713824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: look up "dwell click" < 1444084808 729676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I know what that is. I have noticed that, as a matter of fact, I realize that syaing that is stupid now. < 1444084836 81728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toggle-click and mouse movement will be the basic unit < 1444084857 360950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click to enable a widget, move your mouse to interact with it, leave to undo < 1444084861 56156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly your GUI should be cat-based hth < 1444084867 584079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click before leaving to finalize changes < 1444084913 264595 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to press a button, you: Enter the button, click the button, move to the "On" area of the button, click again to keep the button on, leave to cause changes to be enacted < 1444084922 440536 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying, but effective < 1444084928 782997 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Effective at esotericness, that is) < 1444084978 577189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also consider forcing the user to use the mouse and the keyboard at the exact same time < 1444084988 609974 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a cat. cats are fluffy. < 1444084999 590457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. no typing without holding a mouse button < 1444085045 961776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use different mouse button one for click on, one button for click off, one button for menu, two buttons at same time for delete, etc < 1444085085 361635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forcing the user to type with one hand sounds funny to me < 1444085091 153535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That would be annoying because on some laptops that's impossible < 1444085095 322008 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1444085109 133105 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i don't think so < 1444085116 990453 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it does: so what? < 1444085120 721639 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that I can't press too many buttons at one time on my laptop, and mouse click turns off when I press a button (which makes it literally impossible to tower in minecraft) < 1444085128 707773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: The GUI is supposed to be Esoteric, not useless < 1444085161 271300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't useless if you cannot use it on "some laptops" (whichever that may be) < 1444085180 889787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, if you left-click then you can type on it (if you left-click on multiple widgets then you can type in all of them at the same time) and if you right-click then it is cancel, might also be one kind of strange way to make them? < 1444085184 785893 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if it won't work for everyone with compatible software, it counts as useless < 1444085198 757620 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444085200 619607 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always put a mouse on your laptop < 1444085217 160660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forcing the user to buy new hardware to use something /also/ makes it useless. < 1444085239 222932 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like anybody would have no mouse at all < 1444085255 152041 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know you need a computer to programm in bf? < 1444085265 497662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot force people to buy computers! < 1444085282 265602 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROGRAMMING PHILOSOPHY 101: If it won't work for everybody who has the right software, then it's useless for them, and you should treat it as if it were useless for everyone < 1444085292 77903 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't have a mouse, I just use a trackpad. < 1444085304 363404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents are divorced, so a stationary PC isn't an option for me. < 1444085329 842353 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange philosophy < 1444085340 382769 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will render linux as useless < 1444085355 29844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are some laptops that don't work with it < 1444085381 587514 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will also render windows as useless < 1444085387 910625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically every os is useless < 1444085394 739435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is every software ever written < 1444085404 214041 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :divorce is #1 cause of laptop sales < 1444085410 962874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will FreeDOS work if the computer is a real PC though? < 1444085427 104446 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "Who has the right software" < 1444085432 758883 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doea freedos work on avr? < 1444085456 897438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect so, unless you have a PC emulator on it < 1444085468 564362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In python, is there a way to capture keypresses, even when a window is out-of-focus? < 1444085478 812303 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would I need to use a keyboard driver for that? < 1444085521 23047 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, my point is: for every software in existence there is hardware that will not fully work with it, therefore every software is useless < 1444085527 98409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A real PC would be x86 anyways < 1444085537 601223 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think that if it won't work for everyone with compatible software, it counts as useless < 1444085544 770601 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it doens't work than it's not compatible? < 1444085558 536781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms at his own stupidity
< 1444085565 900940 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, of course < 1444085568 578366 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1444085582 304144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect to run TeX on a Nintendo Famicom? I don't expect. < 1444085583 215108 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean unles it's something like a language barrier. < 1444085598 908269 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: therefore, tex is useless < 1444085605 443033 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is every irc client < 1444085622 665807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. Pokémon plays Twitch. < 1444085635 342278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is supposed to be this, and I was trying to express it poetically (which I really shouldn't do): Software should be designed to work on all computers that it /should/ work on. You can't leave out people with laptops, you have to at /least/ have an option to change to fix it. < 1444085639 992625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can use a different IRC client or whatever for the different computer, I suppose. < 1444085654 584847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a way to connect Famicom to internet then you could probably make a gopher client for it. < 1444085682 818305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the option is to just buy a mouse for about 5 bucks or so < 1444085689 481786 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FOUNTAIN CHICKEN < 1444085691 563710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most computers can emulate the Famicom so even if you have a program only for Famicom you may be able to run it on another computer too. < 1444085717 718754 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: But if you make users buy other stuff for a software to work that doesn't seem to them like it should be necessary, they're going to get pissed off < 1444085726 684191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course no matter what you do you will not get all software on all computers) < 1444085751 395588 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that is one big issue for software that will probably never be used < 1444085758 50145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can you invent an IRC: The Puzzling? < 1444085765 417645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how < 1444085772 238742 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem is that computers that can't handle as many button presses were made after software that required multiple button presses. < 1444085831 841580 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd rather push for better keyboards by making software that uses them. < 1444085840 432613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1444085957 519819 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's your GUI though, so don't let my opinion get in the way of your own priorities. < 1444086054 213161 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444086336 690607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once working on making Z-machine implementation on Famicom, but I could not quite get it to work, and it uses an unusual mapper that I do not have an implementation of on this computer. < 1444086972 987309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't imagine entering text with a controller is too nice anyway < 1444087077 506787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is using the keyboard to enter text < 1444087098 699384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program requires the keyboard. < 1444087138 810597 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444087157 735791 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wonder how difficult a Dreamcast implementation would be < 1444087163 625682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Dreamcast keyboard < 1444087183 746456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about Dreamcast programming. < 1444087445 535566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1444088027 133472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can make C program on Dreamcast then it may be possible to port ZORKMID or something like that < 1444088407 111038 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the inverse of exponentation roots or logarithms? < 1444088415 960936 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is "Inverse" not applicable here? < 1444088793 138193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's not directly applicable because there is more than one argument. It becomes applicable after fixing either the base (--> logarithms) or the exponent (--> roots). < 1444088811 24615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's what I thought. < 1444088811 641917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the left inverse and right inverse are different < 1444088821 438241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to specify which you mean < 1444088827 251814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got python to do two different things: < 1444088831 644337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there a name for functions where the two inverses are the same?) < 1444088834 354274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Capture keypresses with pyhk < 1444088842 743000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(binary functions, that is) < 1444088846 354659 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Send keypresses to the OS with win32com.client < 1444088855 907371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that weaker than commutativity? < 1444088859 772352 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you guys see what I'm about to do? >:) < 1444088879 538774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure < 1444088890 943649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… let l be the left inverse and r be the right inverse < 1444088920 661910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I can't see any way this necessarily implies commutativity < 1444088954 68322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, ab = r(a)aba = l(a)aba = ba < 1444088962 560426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1444088975 447058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it's not commutative I can't move the inverse from one end to the other < 1444089044 491224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also don't have associativity < 1444089177 225101 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know the land of lisp? < 1444089182 4828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://landoflisp.com/ < 1444089321 404895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we also have clashing notions of "inverse" here; we started out with inverse functions... so if f is the binary function, we'd have g and h such that f(g(a,b),b) = a and f(a,h(a,b)) = b. (f(x,y) = x^y; g(x,y) = x^{1/y}; h(x,y) = log_x y) < 1444089416 367927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that raises the question whether g and h are the same if g(a,b) = h(a,b) or if g(a,b) = h(b,a) for all a and b.) < 1444089571 244779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter choice makes commutative f work: If g is an inverse and we define h(a,b) = g(b,a) then a = f(g(a,b),b) = f(b,g(a,b)) = f(b,h(b,a)). < 1444089595 976459 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric