00:00:10 the thing surrounding what's-his-name in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0996.html is the thing from http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0969.html 00:00:15 ais523: Haven't read it yet. 00:00:53 Will hopefully get to it soon. 00:13:03 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:13:53 http://research.microsoft.com/~cohen/WangFinal.pdf 00:13:53 <\oren\> votes are being counted! 00:15:07 <\oren\> if anyone actually cares who is in charge of canada, you can watch the election results http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelection/dashboard/ 00:21:07 `? culprits 00:21:08 ​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY 00:25:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:31:27 \oren\: I care about the election itself but need someone to explain it to me, because I'm not following Canadian politics closely 00:31:47 it's more something I check in on time to time 00:32:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:32:17 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:32:37 -!- mihow has joined. 00:33:07 -!- llue has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 00:34:30 <\oren\> Well, for starters, the colours: 00:34:55 <\oren\> Red = Liberals, essentially centre-left 00:35:43 -!- mihow has quit (Client Quit). 00:35:59 <\oren\> Blue = Conservatives 00:36:56 <\oren\> Orange = NDP = New Democratic Party , hard left 00:37:26 <\oren\> Green = Green Party, superextreme left environmentalists 00:37:53 I just realized. Kleene algebra operates on strings. 00:38:01 <\oren\> Green probably will get maybe one seat, so they aren't important 00:38:19 It has addition (a+b) and multiplication (ab). 00:38:25 * ais523 wonders why environmental parties tend to be left 00:38:38 We can create a Matrix of Strings. 00:38:52 ais523: It is a bit ironic, being that they like to /conserve/ 00:38:56 Eh? 00:38:59 Anybody? 00:39:03 <\oren\> hahahaa 00:39:07 Or was that the joke ais523 was already trying to make 00:40:44 hppavilion[1]: oerjan: wasn't meant to be a joke 00:40:54 Oh. Interesting. 00:41:29 Now that you mention it, that is a little interesting; not that there are ones in the left, but that they're /all/ in the left. 00:41:30 <\oren\> so the main story tonight is that after 10 years of the conservatives under Harper, people want to get rid of him, badly 00:43:49 is he still leader of the conservatives, or have they nominated someone else in an attempt to avoid getting voted out? 00:44:03 <\oren\> no he's still the candidate 00:44:06 in other news, apparently make accepts $($(x)) in a makefile 00:44:16 <\oren\> wtf 00:44:34 acting much the same way as PHP or Perl 00:45:38 anyway, Canadian politics (sorry for interrupting the offtopic conversation with an ontopic one) 00:46:10 normally we discuss canadian politics in ##nomic because it's ontopic there 00:46:12 Has anyone in here ever read A Gebra named Al? 00:46:51 hppavilion[1]: I haven't read it, but it should be noted that "algorithm" is actually eponymous, it's a corruption of someone's name 00:46:59 not sure about "algebra" but it might have a similar etymology 00:47:07 Huh 00:47:19 in which case the book's name is trying to make a joke but the joke fails because the etymology really does work like that 00:47:24 They're both arabic -_- 00:47:42 "Al" means "The" in arabic, roughly 00:47:48 yep 00:47:51 As in "Al Queda", which means "The Base" 00:47:54 but you also use it with names and the like 00:48:00 Possibly 00:49:04 But "A Gebra Named Al" was a book they made me read in 6th grade on algebra. It was a nice book, if I remember correctly. 00:49:41 What's a gebra, then? 00:49:59 I find that "the" is a word that many non-native-English speakers have trouble with because it works differently in different languages, either slightly (e.g. in French you use "le"/"la" with country names), or heavily (in Chinese it doesn't exist at all, AFAIK) 00:50:07 it doesn't exist in Latin either 00:50:32 I'd kind of like to see a book on interesting little pockets of mathematics, which actually gives you in-depth information on it, that is all tied together with a plot. I think To Mock a Mockingbird is supposed to be like that... 00:50:42 Or perhaps a small series of books 00:50:59 I would like that too 00:51:01 hppavilion[1]: most of Smullyan's books are like that 00:51:09 at least the ones that aren't massively long textbooks 00:51:31 Forever Undecided is one of my favourites, although some of them are more appropriate to esolanging (like The Lady or the Tiger?) 00:51:40 "Raymond Merrill Smullyan (/ˈsmʌli.ən/; born May 25, 1919)[1] is an American mathematician, concert pianist, logician, Taoist philosopher, and magician." 00:51:47 That's awesome xD 00:51:48 Smullyan is great 00:51:54 imo smullyan++ 00:52:25 ais523: demonstrative pronouns are similar 00:52:57 prepositions are even worse, they don't seem to be consistent between languages at all, and yet you can't just omit them because they're needed to understand the meaning of the sentence 00:53:24 I also feel like making a mathematics website 00:54:14 programming languages need more prepositions 00:54:20 Hebrew has a definite article but no indefinite article. 00:54:28 Is there any language with the reverse situation? 00:54:41 Newspaper Headlinese has no articles at all. 00:57:11 Radicals are cool 00:57:19 Not the violent kind. The algebra kind. 00:57:56 I just realized. If kleene algebra has multiplication, then it has exponentation (I think). Therefor it has roots. 00:58:02 Wait, no, no it doesn't 00:58:11 That's not how it works, idiot 00:58:35 hppavilion[1]: exponentiation is by an integer 00:58:38 (ab)^3 = ababab 00:58:50 you can define the inverse of that but it's a partial function 00:59:00 (ababab)^1/3 = ab, but (ababa)^1/3 isn't defined 00:59:42 ais523: I figured that out 01:00:19 The first part, I mean 01:00:39 How does exponentiation where the power is a fraction of a non-one numerator work I wonder? 01:01:32 I'm going to make a mathematics website that talks about the parts of mathematics /not/ covered on other mathematics websites. 01:01:33 (ababab)^2/3 = (ababab)^(2*1/3) = ((ababab)^1/3)^2 = (ab)^2 = abab would make sense. 01:02:00 fizzie: Sorry, I meant in the case of numbers xD 01:02:17 In numbers x^(1/n) = root(x, n) 01:02:32 And x^(2/n) is root(x^2, n), because of the above. 01:03:40 Ah. OK. 01:04:17 Or root(x, n)^2, since multiplication is commutative. 01:06:08 "In quatenions, multiplication doesn't support the commutative property. In octonions, it doesn't even support the associative property. In sedenions, it isn't even fucking reflexive" 01:06:36 oh, as in 1×1 isn't necessarily 1? 01:06:38 or what? 01:06:47 you wouldn't normally expect multiplication to be reflexive 01:07:40 ais523: a*b isn't necessarily equal to a*b 01:07:43 according to Wikipedia, the property octonions have and sedenions don't is x(xy)=(xx)y 01:08:15 Isn't that the associative property? Wait, or is that a special case? 01:08:23 it's a special case of associativity 01:08:27 (I was making a joke with a*b != a*b) 01:08:29 octonions have that, but not the general case 01:09:24 Multiplication without associativity? Sounds like scow. 01:10:14 `? scow 01:10:15 scow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:10:36 That reminds me of something in Pippi Longstocking, or at least in the Hebrew version. 01:10:52 There's a Hebrew version of it? 01:10:58 She says that X without Y is like X' without Y', or X'' without Y'' 01:11:09 Maybe she says chocolate ice cream without chocolate, or something like that. 01:11:09 Fun fact: the given name is adjusted to "Peppi" in Finnish. 01:11:22 fizzie: In Hebrew in the version I read she was called Gilgi. 01:11:29 And there's a movie where she's called Bilbi. 01:12:09 A direct transliteration wouldn't go over well. 01:12:14 There's a related Finnish proverb, that goes X without Y "on kuin talo ilman aitan polulla astelevaa emäntää." 01:12:40 (It's based on a quote out of Aleksis Kivi's Seitsemän veljestä.) 01:13:15 Google Translate isn't doing so well on that. 01:13:31 can you translate it manually? 01:13:35 (into English, that is) 01:13:53 Yes, but not in a way that would retain the content very well. 01:15:16 Very approximately, "like a house without a wife* walking on the path to the barn", where especially emäntä -> wife doesn't really carry over the connotations. 01:16:11 is the implication that the house is lonely and that's why it's seeking the barn's company? 01:17:22 The supposed implication is that the man (sorry for all this cisgender bias) living in the house will be unhappy. And I guess walking to/from the barn is the standard location for the wife to be. 01:18:10 Google Translate, for me, says "-- like a house without a path to the barn with a mistress", which uses an even worse word (at least to my understanding of English), and manages to make it sound like the path to the barn is the important part. 01:19:36 ais523: algebra is not eponymous, but it's from the book that the guy who algorithm is named after wrote hth 01:19:45 I'm sure there's a translation of Seitsemän veljestä that gets it more right. 01:20:02 oerjan: the same person discovered both algorithms and algebra? 01:20:05 "Seitsemän veljestä has been translated twice into English, first by Alex. Matson,[1] later by Richard Impola --" 01:20:17 "Note that Matson wrote his first name with the period ("Alex.") to indicate that it was a short form." 01:20:25 or did he/she discover algebra, became famous for it, and then algorithms were named after him/her due to being famous? 01:20:54 oerjan: i'm pretty sure algorithms were invented by al gore hth 01:21:07 Algorhythms. 01:22:08 fizzie: Sounds like a fun way to make music... 01:23:54 shachaf: No, that was the World Wide Web. Most people think he invented the internet, but he only invented the WWW. 01:24:04 And the irc subdomain of some sites 01:25:17 <\oren\> 8 minutes till the polls close, and the Blue Jays are winning 9-2 01:25:28 \oren\: are the two connected? 01:25:32 Is there any language with the reverse situation? <-- i distinctly recall last we asked this, i concluded farsi and/or turkish were examples 01:25:51 also, is there any news on who's winning yet? or is it like the UK, where news about elections is suppressed while polling is open? 01:26:11 (news outlets are only allowed to report very basic facts about the elections while polling is open, such as the fact that they exist) 01:26:32 hppavilion[1]> How does exponentiation where the power is a fraction of a non-one numerator work I wonder? 01:26:43 argh 01:26:51 They haven't taught that yet xD 01:27:02 <\oren\> The Liberal party has swept the Atlantic provinces 01:27:06 stupid mouse slipped a line 01:27:20 In fact, they haven't even taught us that sqrt(x) = x**(1/2) 01:27:26 hppavilion[1]: my comment was going to be "i have a strong sense of deja vu today" 01:27:38 I assume they haven't taught you what sqrt(-1) is yet either 01:27:38 Have I said that before? 01:27:53 ais523: She just mentioned imaginary numbers for the first time today. I think. 01:27:54 well someone did, and who else would it be 01:28:05 although x**(1/2) is a convenient way to write sqrt(x) on IRC (although, mostly when generalized) 01:28:16 ais523: That doesn't seem that convinient... 01:28:25 s/vin/ven/ 01:28:28 x**(1/3), possibly with variant notations for exponentials, is by far the easiest way to write cube root 01:28:37 because the cube root symbol requires a bunch of Unicode 01:28:37 That, however, I agree with. 01:28:41 `unicode square root 01:28:43 ​√ 01:28:43 not cbrt()? 01:28:50 or ∛? 01:28:58 ³​√ 01:29:04 ؆ 01:29:07 I didn't realise there was a specific cube root symbol 01:29:10 That looks like a cabaret function. 01:29:42 although I guess a³​√b would be ambiguous if there weren't 01:29:56 Did you read _The Number Devil_? 01:30:03 That was a good book I read when I was young. 01:30:35 now I'm trying to remember the books I read when I was very young 01:30:50 I've seen people talk about {}=0, and I assume that that that's like church numerals; a symbolic form of representation that is just treating {} as 0, not literal equality. Now I want to find the wiki article that talks about this, but I don't know what to look up xD 01:30:51 <\oren\> I read the number devil 01:31:00 there was a sequence of books, I think called "Puddle Lane", which had very simple vocabulary and in which nothing much really happened 01:31:09 pretty suitable for learning to read on 01:31:37 Found it, I think 01:31:48 <\oren\> the polls in central canada are closed now 01:34:05 hppavilion[1]: look up "ZFC", specifically the axiom of infinity (which is normally considered to define the natural numbers) 01:34:05 oerjan: the same person discovered both algorithms and algebra? <-- well he got algorithms named after him, pretty sure euclid had one much earlier, and probably the egyptians and babylonians too 01:34:37 isn't it possible to come up with an algorithm despite not knowing what they are? 01:34:44 Surreal Kleene Algebra? xd 01:34:46 *xD 01:35:01 \oren\: I take it the closings/openings are based on timezones? 01:35:20 <\oren\> yeah mostly 01:35:52 How about a funge where the code can modify the topology of funge-space? 01:36:16 fungot: How do you feel about that? 01:36:16 fizzie: using this pointer and the pet 64, cris berneburg for proof reading. 01:36:40 fungot: He proofread the whole book using just one pointer and a PET 64? Impressive. 01:36:41 fizzie: when writing the file as the sprite using blanks and solid circles shift+q in data port a has the important lesson here is as follows: 01:37:17 I'll go take a shower and think about that. 01:37:24 I walked home and as such need a shower. 01:37:35 hppavilion[1]: The IPMD Funge-98 fingerprint is (in a very limited way) like that. 01:37:58 It can restrict an IP to run in 1-, 2- or 3-dimensional mode. 01:42:33 incidentally, al-khwarizmi means something like "the guy from Khwarezm". as i recall reading, Khwarezm was a relatively prosperous region in central asia until they made the mistake of gravely angering a certain guy called Genghis Khan... 01:44:03 fizzie: can it increase the number of dimensions beyond that of the original program? 01:44:09 e.g. can it make v not reflect in Unefunge? 01:44:29 (presumably it'd enter an infinite loop unless you used the now two- or three-dimensional p to put another command in its path) 01:45:11 <\oren\> CBC is projecting a liberal government based on, I assume, what they pulled out of their 01:45:26 fizzie: Not topological enough. I want curves, goddammit. 01:45:38 <\oren\> i mean they have basically no data yet 01:46:13 (protip: don't kill the emissaries of great conquerors. unless your byname is dracula.) 01:46:45 Of all the esolang families, I think the fungoids are the ones with the greatest probability of general acceptance 01:47:10 \oren\: in the last UK election, the BBC predicted that the Conservatives would be the largest party by a large margin, right after the polls closed 01:47:31 nobody really believed them, but eventually it turned out that they'd /under/estimated and the Conservatives actually got a majority 01:47:55 then all the pollsters were depressed that they hadn't figured it out, and all the political pundits were trying to figure out why and how 01:48:21 -!- bb010g has joined. 01:49:06 ais523: As far as I can tell, yes. 01:50:07 in that case it should really let programs have arbitrarily many dimensions (so long as the number of dimensions is some finite number that fits in a fungecell) 01:50:38 or perhaps even have +1 and -1 dimension options, to make Funge-98 TC in a particularly unusual way 01:51:03 * ais523 tries to work out if zero-dimensional funge is even potentially useful 01:51:03 +1 and -1 dimension options? 01:51:06 I don't think it is 01:51:10 It isn't 01:51:16 hppavilion[1]: commands that increase/decrease the number of dimensions 01:51:16 Well, technically 01:51:44 ais523: Nofunge-98 isn't useful, but a 0D fung/oid/ could be 01:51:54 ais523: It's one of the RC fingerprints, I don't think their fungespace implementation is generic enough to go over 3. 01:52:00 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Formula was my attempt to make a zero-dimensional language 01:52:12 RCS, that is. 01:52:17 that reminds me, "is two-dimensional Formula TC" is an outstanding question 01:52:30 For example, if every unicode character was assigned a script value that could be useful 01:52:45 although come to think of it, you can probably compile http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopfunge into it (which would make it TC) 01:52:50 (λ: Evaluate a lambda calculus expression entered into a snazzy GUI) 01:53:48 hppavilion[1]: well I guess if the language only allows for one-command programs, but one of those commands is X from CHIQRSX9+ 01:53:56 (which is defined as "makes the language Turing-complete") 01:54:06 I know that xD 01:56:44 wait, no, I'm being stupid 01:56:51 Nopfunge allows wire crossing, Formula doesn't 01:56:56 that makes a huge difference in this case 01:57:38 I think part of J-Why could be generalized to become actually /useful/ in teaching programmers 01:57:51 (Existing programmers, not new programmers. God no for new programmers) 01:59:51 Nopfunge is well-named; it basically is a derivative of Formula-2 which adds NOP, and that makes it TC 02:00:04 (unless Formula-2 is itself TC, which seems unlikely but possible) 02:00:53 Hm... 02:01:24 I don't know enough about topology to decide how a Topologically-Inclined Fungoid would work xD 02:02:24 Hexfunge might work... 02:02:29 Hex would be a feature 02:05:52 <\oren\> wow burger queen have 5 ridings! 02:06:01 <\oren\> I mean bloc quebecois 02:09:51 <\oren\> god damn it chrstia freeland is winning 02:17:25 <\oren\> wow the whole damn country is red 02:18:56 <\oren\> but the PC's are still taking Alberta and Saskachewan 02:20:01 -!- adu has joined. 02:20:04 a centre-left party doing well is not surprising, if the previous government is right/centre-right but the PM is unpopular 02:22:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:22:46 <\oren\> Yeah. In terms of election promises, this means we'll have legal marijuana 02:24:03 that sounds like a pretty clever/simple way to increase turnout 02:24:25 normally I don't care about election promises much because the typical track record for actually keeping them is low 02:24:43 the previous UK government I was apprehensive about, because one of their main election promises, I really dislked 02:24:45 then they broke it 02:24:49 (the whole Big Society thing) 02:26:58 there was also the whole tuition fees thing, which I didn't care about nearly as much as some other people, but which in retrospect may have been the Conservatives intentionally making the Lib Dems look bad in order to improve their position at the next election 02:31:56 -!- qwertyo has joined. 02:32:44 -!- qwertyo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:35:55 -!- qwertyo has joined. 02:37:02 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 02:52:36 -!- adu has joined. 03:08:44 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:14:25 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 03:14:25 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Changing host). 03:14:25 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 03:18:48 -!- adu has joined. 03:40:11 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 03:40:59 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:42:36 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:46:10 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:58:27 [wiki] [[Talk:Infinite Vector]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44805&oldid=44775 * Ais523 * (+300) reply 04:03:07 -!- TieSleep has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:03:21 -!- TieSoul has joined. 04:04:45 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 04:11:15 [wiki] [[Unnamed]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44806 * Vihan * (+1866) Created Unnamed 04:11:52 [wiki] [[Unnamed]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44807&oldid=44806 * Vihan * (+10) 04:12:54 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:13:21 -!- Frooxius has joined. 04:24:41 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:28:52 -!- aretecode has joined. 04:29:23 haha, unnamed has two different commands; the only syntactic difference between them is that one of them has two parameters the same, and the other has the two parameters different; and there isn't a semantic difference, the same-parameter command does the same thing that the different-parameter would if given two equal parameters 04:29:39 it's probably just a mistake / not thinking things through, but I like it on a conceptual level 04:44:14 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 04:54:29 <\oren\> Ok, majority govt. Now let's not pull an Obama and try for consensus... Ram the marijuana down the conservatives' throats! 04:56:56 \oren\: did you vote Liberal by any chance? 04:57:08 and was that the only reason, or were there others? 04:57:11 <\oren\> nah, NDP. 04:57:31 <\oren\> I was hoping for a Lib-NDP coalition 04:58:05 \oren\: Hawt. 04:58:07 WTB Obama third term 04:58:24 Gay marijuana healthcare ahoy! 04:59:25 maybe when we stop spending literally all of our money on military 04:59:27 <\oren\> But I do support legalizing marijuana, even though I've never tried it 04:59:30 we can finally legalize gay weed 05:00:02 On a more serious note, yes, I do support legalizing weed. 05:00:07 I have even voted in favor of it. 05:00:07 and have good infrastructure and public services and affordable higher education 05:00:08 maybe 05:00:29 Don't really care to imbibe, but that's just me. 05:00:36 nah who am I kidding 05:00:50 <\oren\> yah that too, but legal marijuana is a election promise that doesn't cost any money 05:01:01 <\oren\> in fact it reduces costs 05:01:05 eventually our budging will be so skewed toward military that congress just shuts down and we become an independent military group. 05:01:22 just a giant military nation 05:02:57 <\oren\> lol. 05:03:46 <\oren\> well, we canadians kind of rely on you being scary, seeing as we can't really afford a real military 05:03:49 defending nothing, invading everything. freedom and democracy for everyone 05:04:50 my favorite thing is the people on Twitter who threatened to move to Canada over the supreme court decision on same-sex marriage. 05:05:15 they obviously do not know anything about Canada. 05:05:25 did Canada have same-sex marriage already, by any chance? 05:05:29 (does Mexico?) 05:05:30 yes 05:05:34 no(?) 05:05:40 kallisti: Actually yes. 05:05:46 oh. aight 05:05:51 Mexico's Supreme Court ruled on it a week before the US. 05:05:56 seems legit 05:06:10 <\oren\> canada has had gay marriage for more than a decade 05:06:13 and several European nations have had it for over a decade now 05:06:17 yeah 05:13:42 -!- ineiros has joined. 05:17:39 <\oren\> Also. they should make this his official picture https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRuvAh-UsAAZZXd.png:large 05:21:37 \oren\: you're canadian? 05:21:50 what an election. 05:22:03 I was sitting in a polling station waiting for the last voters to go by when I started to hear the results Oo 05:22:56 coppro: you were an election helper? 05:24:31 https://helloworld.letsencrypt.org/ \o/ 05:27:42 <\oren\> yah I'm canadian, 05:28:38 ais523: no, a scrutineer 05:28:43 I had the worst DRO 05:28:50 (deputy returning office) 05:30:33 -!- JesseH has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:38:59 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:18:17 -!- ^v has joined. 06:19:13 -!- jaboja has joined. 06:20:23 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:36:26 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:43:40 -!- jaboja has joined. 06:56:43 [wiki] [[Nopfunge]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44808&oldid=44272 * Keymaker * (+329) Added a mention of translation's halting and A register. 07:00:17 -!- shachaf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:27:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:28:01 -!- jaboja has joined. 07:28:16 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:28:29 -!- jaboja has joined. 07:40:20 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:54:23 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 08:02:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:05:43 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:14:53 -!- shachaf has joined. 08:24:51 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:25:06 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:25:58 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 08:30:59 shachaf: yes, but that wasn't the non-obvious thing to me in OotS #996. the part that was non-obvious to me is that that creature template gives him the ability to turn to that animal for free, not only to turn to the animal from #932. 08:35:20 " Hebrew has a definite article but no indefinite article. Is there any language with the reverse situation?" -- haven't we had this discussion a month ago already? I pointed to http://wals.info/chapter/37 which listed some languages, but the comments on wals pointed out that some of that data was wrong. 08:36:39 oh, algebra! you were talking about a lot of things this night 08:38:43 " The supposed implication is that the man (sorry for all this cisgender bias) living in the house will be unhappy." -- hah, I'm actually reading Kalevala these days, in Rácz István's translation, and it's probably the most gender biased epic ever. 08:39:26 " oerjan: i'm pretty sure algorithms were invented by al gore hth" -- oh, good one, we should add that to a wisdom 08:39:49 `? al gore 08:39:50 al gore? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:40:00 `le/rn al gore/al gore invented the algorithm 08:40:04 Learned «al gore» 08:40:28 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: e.g. going to bed is something other than algorithmic complexity). 08:42:47 `? algorithm 08:42:48 algorithm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:43:43 `learn algorithms were invented by Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 08:43:46 Learned 'algorithm': algorithms were invented by Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 08:47:45 [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44809&oldid=44666 * 196.21.124.114 * (+327) /* Game */ 08:54:35 -!- lleu has joined. 08:54:36 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 08:54:36 -!- lleu has joined. 09:01:16 god I forgot how backwards the Python community is 09:14:08 How come there's no Battlegrowth instant that costs {G/W} yet (that is, a reversed polarity Scar). Isn't growing a creature supposed to be slightly cheaper than shrinking a creature? 09:14:28 Why backwards? 09:16:08 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/890128/why-python-lambdas-are-useful just read this 09:16:18 all of the comments and responses 09:28:35 -!- kallisti has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 09:29:02 -!- kallisti has joined. 09:55:24 -!- mauris has joined. 10:02:24 Python merely lowers the bar. 10:03:26 -!- qwertyo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:08:05 `learn Algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore. 10:08:08 Learned 'algorithm': Algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore. 10:09:13 Jafet: hey, did you just overwrite mine? 10:09:26 Jafet: at least keep the bit about God's Algorithm 10:09:37 `? algorithm 10:09:39 Algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore. 10:10:04 hmm, should I `revert war on this? 10:10:33 Is god's algorithm actually written down anywhere though? 10:10:42 I hear it's p. big 10:11:29 Jafet: you can't write it down, but it's very easy (on any modern computer) to find the fastest solution for any one starting position 10:11:47 Jafet: so dynamically calculating it is easier than writing down everything 10:12:25 Ah, there is actually an algorithm. 10:12:39 Jafet: the difficult thing the researchers did (with the help of some large number of computers provided by Google) is to actually compute this for all starting positions to verify that it never takes more than 20 steps, 10:12:50 whcih needed a lot of clever optimizations of course 10:13:39 But really, if you only need the algorithm for one starting position, a typical desktop pc can compute it for you in a minute or a second, I don't know which. 10:14:37 Basically, there are about 2**64 positions, which is too large to search all, but its square root is 2**32 so it's easy to do a two-way search of 10 moves from each side. 10:16:56 `revert 10:16:58 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 10:17:15 Chirp 10:17:32 Still haven't fixed that. Maybe some day. 10:21:23 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:24:17 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:26:31 `? algorithm 10:26:32 algorithms were invented by Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 10:26:38 it might be better to combine those two thoguh 10:27:20 `learn algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 10:27:22 Learned 'algorithm': algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 10:31:07 -!- Froox has joined. 10:32:06 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 10:34:05 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:42:53 -!- boily has joined. 10:43:36 coppro: CHELLOPPRO! 10:43:53 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 10:44:23 boily, that just sounds like someone really good at the cello 10:47:10 -!- Frooxius has joined. 10:49:35 -!- Froox has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:50:10 Tanelle. maybe he is? 10:51:18 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:52:16 [wiki] [[Emoticon]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44810&oldid=33710 * 110.92.124.219 * (-4) /* Emoticon basics */ 10:55:21 [wiki] [[Emoticon]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44811&oldid=44810 * 110.92.124.219 * (+51) /* Introduction */ 10:59:17 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:00:24 [wiki] [[Emoticon]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44812&oldid=44811 * 110.92.124.219 * (-102) /* Emoticon basics */ 11:01:04 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Exomuse * New user account 11:09:37 [wiki] [[Esoteric programming language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44813&oldid=37181 * Exomuse * (+29) 11:13:39 [wiki] [[User:Exomuse]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44814 * Exomuse * (+256) Created page with "+[--------->++<]>+.++++.+[->+++<]>+.++++..----.+++++.-------.-[--->+<]>--.-[--->++<]>-.+++++.-[->+++++<]>-.---[->++++<]>.------------.---.--[--->+<]>-.---[----->++<]>.--------..." 11:21:23 @metar CYUL 11:21:24 CYUL 201100Z 23019KT 15SM OVC067 12/06 A2992 RMK AC8 SLP132 11:21:34 crazy weather. 11:23:11 @metar EGLL 11:23:11 EGLL 201050Z AUTO 32005KT 290V010 9999 FEW019 13/08 Q1028 NOSIG 11:23:18 @metar EFHK 11:23:19 EFHK 201050Z 11009KT 9999 BKN021 05/01 Q1025 NOSIG 11:26:05 I'm a bit ashamed of not biking to work here, because the weather would permit that for a much longer time of the year (yes, yes, you can technically do it all year round, but I'm not crazy); it's just that doing it out there all mixed up in the traffic seems so intimidating, after having gotten used to my previous "6 km of bike trails only with no car traffic" commute. 11:28:26 They should build one of those cycling superhighways they have, except one from my front door to the office. 11:29:09 fizziello. biking with cars around you is an interesting experience that offers plenty of learning opportunities. 11:29:34 Yes, such as what's it like being crushed by a vehicle? 11:30:36 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 11:31:53 being crushed by a moving vehicle, smashing into a vehicle (did that once; I got something in my eye, couldn't see anything and stamped myself on a parked car), smashing into another biker, smashing into a pedestrian... 11:32:19 I'm not sure you're really selling the idea here. 11:32:44 getting a ticket by a cop (got that too!) 11:33:52 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TERRITORIAL CHICKEN). 11:42:48 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:01:31 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 12:01:51 -!- Frooxius has joined. 12:05:42 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:10:39 -!- noncom has joined. 12:10:50 cool! 12:19:00 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:19:41 -!- bender| has joined. 12:19:41 -!- bender| has quit (Changing host). 12:19:41 -!- bender| has joined. 12:22:15 -!- coppro has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 12:25:16 -!- draghi has joined. 12:29:55 -!- draghi has quit (Client Quit). 12:30:24 -!- coppro has joined. 12:51:51 I have half of the key to my bike lock in my pocket 12:52:40 i have the other half 12:53:02 Unlikely, I believe it's stuck in the lock 12:53:06 Are you my bike lock 12:53:07 i stole it 12:53:27 my precious 12:53:46 `? precious 12:53:47 :( 12:53:47 precious? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:53:52 @tell ais523 http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/battle-zendikar-update-bulletin%E2%80%94comprehensive-rules-changes-2015-10-09 at 601.2 tells that the update should close a recently added hole about an exploit where you could see hidden information by proposing an illegal spell and rolling it back; but I don't see the fix in the 2015-09-26 comprehensive rules. What gives? 12:53:53 Consider it noted. 12:54:18 `learn precious? That doesn't ring a bell. ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:54:20 Learned 'precious?': precious? That doesn't ring a bell. ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:54:24 hmm. 12:54:44 `` mv wisdom/precious\? wisdom/precious 12:54:47 No output. 12:56:14 Question. In windows CMD, does CALL always work for a non-batch file executable? I want to run an executable by name without extension from the path, and it may or may not be a batch file. 12:57:40 https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb490873.aspx "call [[Drive:][Path] FileName -- [ Drive : ][ Path ] FileName : Specifies the location and name of the batch program you want to call. The FileName parameter must have a .bat or .cmd extension." 12:58:25 fizzie: yeah yeah, but that's not what it seems like when I test 12:58:45 Then you must be relying on undocumented stuff. 12:58:54 really? on windows? wow 12:59:13 come on, I'm using CMD, where even half of the quoting is undocumented and inconsistent 13:00:59 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 13:00:59 -!- aretecode has joined. 13:05:58 -!- FreeFull has quit. 13:10:41 did anyone try to implement https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hyper_Set_Language ? 13:26:00 heh.. 13:30:57 216 pages in Category:Unimplemented, 594 in Category:Implemented. That's not actually too terrible. 13:31:33 fizzie: are all languages categorized in one of those or Category:Unimplementable ? 13:31:38 Probably not. 13:31:57 Category:Languages has 923 pages. 13:32:03 > 216 + 594 13:32:06 810 13:32:19 -!- nchambers has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:33:00 Oh, I didn't notice your reference to Category:Unimplementable. That's not a category we have. 13:33:05 We do have Category:Uncomputable. 13:33:06 fizzie: also, some of that statistics might be skewed by the stereotypical hundreds of brainfuck equivalents that are trivially implemented with a one-liner like sed 'y/<>-+[]/g;s/left//g;s/down/-/g;s/up/+/g;s/begin/[/g;s/end/]/g' | brainfuck 13:33:19 what? 13:33:24 we don't have an unimplementable category? 13:33:26 why the heck not 13:33:32 we have tons of unimplementable languages 13:34:00 unimplementable for all kinds of different reasons, each language inventing a new one 13:34:29 some are boring, like, so underspecced that nobody understands what the text on the page means and the original author vanished 13:34:44 but there are lots of languages that are unimplementable for interesting reasons 13:35:06 -!- nchambers has joined. 13:35:19 there are also lots that are implementable in theory, but there's not much point implementing them, because the purpose is more a theoretical exercise than something to actually run programs in 13:36:28 I could've sworn there was a such category? 13:36:55 oh, I was thinking of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Uncomputable 13:38:32 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Schrodilang is the only language that's in both Category:Implemented and Category:Unimplemented, and that's just a joke. 13:38:38 there's http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Unusable_for_programming but that's different, eg. HQ9+ is unusable for programming but certainly implementable 13:38:44 is it possible to do a search like "in Category:Languages not-in Category:Unimplemented not-in Category:Implemented"? 13:39:03 nortti: There's a MultiCategorySearch extension, but we don't have it installed. 13:39:10 ah 13:39:32 nortti: in classical logic that ought to be emoty 13:39:34 *empty 13:39:34 actually i think that languages like hyper set or binary lambda are not really esoteric, but dsl 13:39:48 nortti: you could do it client-side by downloading the whole list of contents of each category with the api 13:39:50 from a pov, any dsl can be seen as esoteric 13:39:54 they're not big categories 13:40:31 b_jonas: I located Schrodilang just by copy-pasting the page lists of both categories in a file + sort | uniq -c | sort -nr. 13:41:52 oh, there's also funny combinations like BANCStar which is implemented but unimplementible 13:42:01 The category intersection can be a useful tool for answering "what was that 2D language with a stack?" kind of questions. Or at least would be if the categorization was all that complete. 13:42:27 and there could be something like 13:42:32 `2104 foo 13:42:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2104: not found 13:42:40 < b_jonas> oh, there's also funny combinations like BANCStar which is implemented but unimplementible ← why is it unimplementable? 13:42:44 languages that are unimplementible now but will be implementible later 13:42:48 lack of proper documentation? 13:42:51 nortti: we don't have a complete enough spec, yes 13:43:02 too much is missing to make a convincing implementation 13:43:08 ah 13:43:53 but an implementation supposedly exists in a floppy disk somewhere, and someone has it and would give it to us, but he disappered in circumstances that aren't suspicious at all 13:44:20 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:50:40 Oh, the top-level https://esolangs.org/wiki/1L page is also Implemented | Unimplemented. 13:56:41 -!- Lyka has joined. 13:56:51 http://pastebin.com/nvc3vdvh 13:59:18 HYDRA0004/99BEER is a program that outputs "## bottles of beer on the wall.\015\n" 99 times, where ## is a number from 99 to 01 14:00:32 let me know if anyone here cares 14:03:25 Remember that guy from the washington post 14:04:41 oh shit.. 14:05:01 there's a person here from the washington post? 14:05:28 There was a couple of years ago 14:06:08 Tell said person to NOT use anything i type 14:11:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:12:46 Lyka: wait, you told us where you buried the body? 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19:45:43 Anyone out there? 19:47:15 b_jonas: no revert war twh 19:50:06 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:50:29 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 19:50:48 -!- Frooxius has joined. 19:58:00 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:58:51 one of the more reliable indicators of a spambot: it has a full name in the From: address, and says "hi, I'm «name»" or equivalent in the message body, and the two don't match 20:00:02 ais523: why is that an indicator of spam? if I think you already know me from somewhere on the internet as a screen name, I might write that in an email, and I don't change the full name in the From. 20:00:05 b_jonas: last I checked the comp rules hadn't been updated on the website yet 20:00:23 b_jonas: well neither name looked like a screen name 20:00:26 ais523: it is updated. it has the date in the text and the filename 20:00:56 ais523: the editing process takes a while after the bulletin, but it's done by now 20:11:17 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:11:21 -!- mihow_ has joined. 20:11:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:12:43 -!- gamemanj has joined. 20:13:10 -!- mihow has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:13:11 -!- mihow_ has changed nick to mihow. 20:20:23 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 20:22:26 -!- jaboja has quit (Disconnected by services). 20:22:46 -!- jaboja64 has changed nick to jaboja. 20:23:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:24:51 Hellu 20:29:19 -!- ^v has joined. 20:32:01 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:33:56 -!- TieSoul has changed nick to TieSleep. 20:43:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:43:47 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:48:48 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 21:01:38 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:03:29 -!- mihow has joined. 21:10:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:17:06 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 21:27:28 -!- variable has joined. 21:35:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:37:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:41:05 -!- ent0nces has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:49:53 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:52:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:02:05 `? al gore 22:02:06 al gore invented the algorithm 22:02:26 `le/rn al gore/Al Gore invented the algorithm. 22:02:29 Learned «al gore» 22:03:58 [...] but the comments on wals pointed out that some of that data was wrong. <-- and i checked further on farsi and turkish and found that it was true for at least one of them. 22:04:56 cannot quite recall if it was both. i think farsi was most conclusive 22:05:00 . 22:05:23 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:05:56 `? algorithm 22:05:57 algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 22:06:19 doesn't really work 22:06:35 are you implying Al Gore isn't medieval 22:07:13 hm indeed, those two parts seem dissonant 22:07:38 10:09 Jafet: hey, did you just overwrite mine? 22:07:38 10:09 Jafet: at least keep the bit about God's Algorithm 22:08:26 imo it doesn't work at all 22:09:40 `` learn "Algorithms were invented by Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster." # Combining the two jokes doesn't really work. Also, proofreading. 22:09:43 Learned 'algorithm': Algorithms were invented by Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster. 22:12:53 i preferred Jafet's 22:13:10 [...] hah, I'm actually reading Kalevala these days, in Rácz István's translation, and it's probably the most gender biased epic ever. <-- proof that gender neutral pronouns don't help hth 22:14:41 critics 22:15:22 indeed, Jafet managed to use correct capitalization and punctuation 22:16:06 oerjan: surely the "popular sayings" part, alluding to aphorisms, could be kept? 22:16:41 the problem is, how does a google computer cluster invent a popular saying 22:16:49 it's not less wrong than the second part anyway... 22:16:56 -!- Wright has joined. 22:17:02 they have language models, what's the problem... 22:17:10 int-e: the problem isn't that they're wrong, the problem is that they're inconsistent with each other 22:17:15 but we had God's algorithm long before we had proof of God's number. 22:17:16 ...oh well 22:17:20 `revert 22:17:22 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 22:17:24 oerjan: Deep neural networks and time machines. Not that I'm saying anything. 22:17:27 `algorithm 22:17:28 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: algorithm: not found 22:17:30 so as I said, it's wrong regardless 22:17:32 `? algorithm 22:17:34 algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster 22:17:55 oh what's God's algorithm then 22:18:04 i don't get the second part at all 22:18:14 Well, I interpreted it as the optimal algorithm for solving Rubik's cube. 22:18:16 oh right 22:18:23 int-e: hm... 22:18:27 http://www.cube20.org/ 22:18:37 "With about 35 CPU-years of idle computer time donated by Google" 22:19:40 s/the/an/ 22:19:57 oh whatever. 22:20:25 `` sed -i 's/.\(.*\)/A&./' wisdom/algorithm 22:20:26 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 22:20:27 No output. 22:20:32 `? algorithm 22:20:33 Aalgorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster. 22:20:36 oops 22:20:49 `` sed -i 's/a//' wisdom/algorithm 22:20:52 No output. 22:20:54 `? algorithm 22:20:55 Algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster. 22:21:09 `? wisdom 22:21:10 wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? 22:21:24 `? ørjan 22:21:25 ​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. 22:21:59 . o O ( Are there any Ørigami? ) 22:22:20 (to my mind, origami is only one step removed from papers) 22:22:27 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:22:55 none that still survive, i think. although ørjan did once find a book on origami in the school library. 22:23:21 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:24:59 * oerjan vaguely recalls you could make origami water balloons 22:25:41 sadly, i was much to well-behaved to make proper use of this knowledge. 22:25:46 *too 22:33:57 oerjan: are you a different person from ørjan in much the same way that I'm a different person from ais523_? 22:35:29 that's a very hypothetical question, as irc doesn't allow ø in nicks hth 22:36:10 `? oerjan 22:36:11 Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. 22:36:14 `? ørjan 22:36:15 ​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. 22:36:30 I don't think ais523_ publishes paper. 22:36:51 yay Guru badge 22:36:54 "publishes paper"? 22:37:07 Or papers. 22:37:08 oh, right 22:37:22 I'm trying to remember if it's me or ais523_ who published the papers 22:37:25 shachaf: so you're saying it's the other way around? 22:37:43 I guess they were mostly submitted by my supervisor, who tends to use work computers (underscored) and personal laptops (not underscored) interchageably 22:37:48 so I'm not really sure who they were submitted by 22:37:59 ais523: It's probably ais523_, because it looks like a bit of paper is sticking out there at the end. 22:38:44 -!- boily has joined. 22:39:25 bøhily 22:40:08 helloerjân. 22:40:19 Good evening, Alexandre. 22:41:37 Good evening, Shachaf. 22:41:58 (is your first name Shachaf?) 22:42:52 Chronologically? 22:43:30 ornithologically. 22:43:53 boily: now you gotta write a higgledy-piggledy with that word hth 22:45:10 not sure what pigs have to do with ornithology 22:45:25 int-ello. pigs fly. they are birds. 22:45:39 thanks, that's an excellent point. 22:46:00 oh, you can make it slightly risqué by talking about ornithology and melittology 22:46:35 `? drones 22:46:36 drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. 22:46:48 `? drone 22:46:49 drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. 22:47:02 ah, plural handling... right 22:47:48 shachaf: does "Kiki" mean anything twh 22:48:23 `? drone sex 22:48:24 Drone sex has never been observed in the wild; in fact it's rare to see drones in their natural habitat because they are extremely shy. Experiments with drones in captivity have only resulted in broken drones, and a rotor stuck in the ceiling. We are still looking for a biological explanation for the ever increasing drone population. 22:48:51 bona fide melittology 22:49:10 (where does one learn such words...) 22:49:15 oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiki_(gathering) hth 22:49:26 unless you read a lexicon... 22:49:55 hmm 22:49:58 encyclopedia 22:50:19 lexicon's a false friend there. 22:50:39 int-e: in norwegian too 22:51:16 shachaf: tdnh 22:51:28 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Flock_of_Seagulls 22:52:48 (where does one learn such words...) <-- i think that one came up on the iwc forum, and may or may not have transfered here from there 22:53:13 oerjan: i was going to ask if johan means anything but i suppose it does 22:53:16 * oerjan spent plenty of time in his childhood reading the encyclopedia 22:53:23 if you're willing to follow enough convoluted links 22:53:55 shachaf: it is from hebrew hth 23:00:09 -!- ais523 has quit. 23:00:17 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:12:38 -!- int-e has left ("SCHOLASTIC CHICKEN"). 23:12:39 -!- int-e has joined. 23:16:58 boily: based on the logs, are you still biking in traffic, and if so, WHY? 23:18:45 * oerjan had his parent-encouraged attempt to start biking in trondheim quickly crushed by the bike getting damaged by the train trip. 23:18:45 <\oren\> I'm home 23:20:42 * oerjan is _very_ good at never getting things fixed 23:21:59 . o O ( We put the "pro" into procrastination. ) 23:22:32 * int-e folds into bed 23:23:14 int-e: my dad tried giving me a self-help book for that 23:23:48 but you couldn't be bothered to read it? 23:24:21 oerjan: is it still on your to-read pile of books? 23:24:26 * int-e has such a pile. 23:24:49 no, i'm pretty sure that book was in a pile i threw out 23:24:58 My bike's... uh, come one, what's the word. The thing you steer it with. The handlebars! Those. So those are still at a 90-degree angle (as in, the bar is parallel to the direction of travel, not the normal perpendicular orientation) from being compactly packed in the moving shipment, even though that was back in February or March or something. 23:25:48 s/one/on/ 23:25:49 oh no, when did http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/ get a "modern" look? it used to be possible to just start reading that page without having to scroll down... 23:26:19 int-e: i guess it happened some time when he had something more important to do hth 23:26:36 int-e: I think the image should scroll, but at a slower rate compared to the text; the parallax thing is even more modern than the fixed image. 23:26:41 and the photograph of the author at the beach is gone :/ 23:26:59 * oerjan assumes so from vaguely remembering last it was mentioned 23:27:08 The top bar is doing a sufficiently modern thing with all this autohiding and fading stuff, at least. 23:27:13 structured destruction 23:27:52 fizzie: ok, it doesn't do that without javascript 23:29:33 oerjan: no, the tethercat principle doesn't apply to my bike rides. 23:29:47 besides, it's way too cold outside. it was M04 yesterday morning! 23:30:00 fizzie: and please, please tell me that CSS3 doesn't actually allow parrallax scrolling (without javascript) 23:30:03 \hellhomeren\! 23:30:43 int-e: As far as I can tell, the intended effect is to (animatedly) hide when you scroll down, and the reverse when you scroll up, plus also apply a fade such that the bar is blue when the top of the screen is fully in the content area, fully transparent when the page is scrolled to the top, and something in-between for the intermediate positions. 23:31:00 boily: my question was meant generally, not for this specific season hth 23:31:52 oerjan: yes, during summer I bike in traffic. there are even bike jams on some bikelanes. 23:32:08 scary 23:32:09 int-e: In fact, seems that it does, through the "CSS Transforms" module. 23:32:16 * boily loves his helmet 23:32:19 tvtropes has got more annoying ads lately... 23:32:25 https://drafts.csswg.org/css-transforms/#perspective and so on. 23:33:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:33:33 There's someone's demo at http://keithclark.co.uk/articles/pure-css-parallax-websites/demo1/ 23:34:58 sigh... 23:35:01 oerjan: oh, and you have to make do with the construction work, rampant potholes, hipsters, orange cones and burning astral balls of hydrogen. 23:35:23 int-e: whoa whoa whoa, this is great 23:35:42 int-e: that front page has a big useless image, choppy scrolling, everything i could want 23:35:44 holy fungot that's impressive. 23:35:44 boily: multicolor color registers 53287-53294, d027-d02e). this is done by placing a value of the volume register. this bit register. 23:36:00 fungot: multicolor color? 23:36:00 boily: a=64 or 32: poke v+21 and the number ( ai, a2, a3). 23:39:15 boily: i'm not entirely familiar with the last one 23:40:55 boily: Shorthand for "color registers for the multicolor mode", because the two colours of the "monochrome" mode have registers too, I think. 23:41:12 tmyk. 23:41:31 fungot: Where's the palette for the sprites? 23:41:31 fizzie: 20 data 5,6,7,8 the 23:41:42 fungot: Thanks. 23:41:42 fizzie: save ( in our example, run it. 23:42:05 fungot: I don't parenthesave. 23:42:06 boily: note that only the beginning of vic. this means that interrupts from this register is dumped into the y position... these tell the vic-ii chip to the screen, the 23:45:58 Makes one wonder if a really patient person could learn how to program the C64 from this style. 23:46:25 -!- bb010g has joined. 23:48:21 Perhaps by sampling sufficiently much to reconstruct the ngram frequencies, then trying to manually piece together fragments of the text. 23:49:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:50:38 * oerjan adds *.doubleclick.net to the limited sites list 23:54:12 -!- lleu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:56:10 -!- doesthiswork has joined.