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Display the implementation of a standard function 00:02:53 @src id 00:02:53 id x = x 00:03:00 magic? 00:03:09 nope 00:03:40 magic. 00:03:42 that was sarcastic oerjan 00:04:18 ooooh 00:05:35 <\oren\> imback 00:10:55 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:11:06 \hellobackren\ 00:18:39 -!- adu has joined. 00:19:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:26:04 @src map 00:26:04 map _ [] = [] 00:26:04 map f (x:xs) = f x : map f xs 00:26:09 :t map 00:26:11 (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] 00:26:15 Hmmm. 00:26:28 > map (+21) (Just 5) 00:26:29 Couldn't match expected type ‘[b]’ with actual type ‘Maybe Integer’ 00:26:29 In the second argument of ‘map’, namely ‘(Just 5)’ 00:26:29 In the expression: map (+ 21) (Just 5) 00:26:34 Hmmmmm. 00:30:38 > fmap (+21) (Just 5) 00:30:39 Just 26 00:31:16 map is very list-oriented. 00:33:53 There's @src and there's @instances, but I guess there's no @src-of-instance. 00:40:07 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 00:42:37 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 00:42:49 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:43:42 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 00:45:19 -!- Ox0dea has joined. 00:49:31 shun the Royal Jelly and its acid blobs. 00:49:49 It is known. 00:51:38 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:51:50 Ox0dea: do you DCSS? 00:52:24 boily: I don't, sorry. 00:55:42 @src Monad Maybe 00:55:42 Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over. 00:55:49 @src Maybe Monad 00:55:49 Source not found. There are some things that I just don't know. 00:55:58 fizzie: ... there used to be 00:56:08 @src Monad (->) 00:56:08 Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen. 00:56:11 @src Monad -> 00:56:12 Source not found. Sorry. 00:56:15 @src Monad 00:56:16 class Monad m where 00:56:16 (>>=) :: forall a b. m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b 00:56:16 (>>) :: forall a b. m a -> m b -> m b 00:56:16 return :: a -> m a 00:56:16 fail :: String -> m a 00:56:27 @src Monad [] 00:56:27 Source not found. Just try something else. 00:56:58 @ask int-e What happened to @src giving instance definitions, i'm _sure_ it used to have some... 00:56:58 Consider it noted. 00:59:34 @src something-that-doesnt-exist-in-lambdies-db 00:59:34 Source not found. My brain just exploded 00:59:37 @src something-that-doesnt-exist-in-lambdies-db 00:59:37 Source not found. Sorry. 00:59:38 @src something-that-doesnt-exist-in-lambdies-db 00:59:38 Source not found. I am sorry. 00:59:40 @src something-that-doesnt-exist-in-lambdies-db 00:59:40 Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist! 00:59:50 hehehehehehe 01:01:12 @src [] (>>=) 01:01:12 xs >>= f = concatMap f xs 01:01:13 hth 01:01:39 -!- variable has joined. 01:01:56 oooh 01:02:04 @src Maybe (>>=) 01:02:04 (Just x) >>= k = k x 01:02:04 Nothing >>= _ = Nothing 01:02:12 @src Maybe fmap 01:02:12 fmap _ Nothing = Nothing 01:02:12 fmap f (Just a) = Just (f a) 01:02:12 @tell int-e oops, false alarm 01:02:12 Consider it noted. 01:02:38 @src ZipList Monad 01:02:39 Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... 01:02:53 * boily thwacks lambdie 01:03:08 @src ZipList (<*>) 01:03:08 Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. 01:03:31 perhaps @src predates ZipList hth 01:03:40 @src is pretty old-fashioned and doesn't believe in those new-fangled Applicatives. 01:03:44 @src Applicative 01:03:44 class Functor f => Applicative f where 01:03:44 pure :: a -> f a 01:03:44 (<*>) :: f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b 01:03:54 much. 01:04:16 -!- adu has joined. 01:06:31 "Nothing is just Nothing." -- Arya of House Peyton-Jones 01:08:08 Ox0dea: I shall quote you on that wisdomically. 01:08:32 oerjan: speaking of wisdom, you `learned an invention that isn't a tanebvention. 01:08:39 that is disturbing. 01:08:53 i think i just edited that 01:09:04 `` egrep -r '[^b] invented' wisdom 01:09:05 wisdom/cpressey:cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse. \ wisdom/twoducks:TwoDucks programming language was invented in 2023. \ wisdom/al gore:Al Gore invented the algorithm. \ wisdom/algorithm:Algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algo 01:09:32 cpressey is grandfathered in. 01:09:51 because he's like, the grandfather of esolangs? 01:10:07 he invented the esolang after all. 01:10:21 Did he really? 01:10:28 Doesn't that belong to the FALSE guy? 01:11:15 `` egrep -r '[^b] invented' wisdom | tail -n+5 01:11:17 wisdom/hexchat:Hexchat is a variant of Smalltalk invented in Hexham. \ wisdom/go:Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. \ wisdom/universe:The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. \ wisdom/nitia:nitia is the inventor of all things. The 01:11:55 `? nitia 01:11:57 nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her. 01:12:37 * boily waves “Those aren't the notanebventions you aren't not looking for, eh” 01:12:40 so many nontanebventions 01:14:24 -!- Ox0dea has left ("WeeChat 1.4-dev"). 01:22:47 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RAINBOW CHICKEN). 01:39:39 `? category 01:39:40 A category is just a category object in the category of classes. 01:39:55 `culprits wisdom/category 01:39:59 tswett int-e ais523 shachaf elliott oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull oerjan oerjan elliott oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia 01:41:31 `? category theory 01:41:33 In category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories. 01:42:59 I was expecting it to randomly select a subset of countries. <-- :( 01:45:30 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:45:38 `le/rn category/A category is an enriched category where the enriching category is the category of classes. 01:45:42 Learned «category» 01:45:53 `? monoid 01:45:54 Monoids are just the easy version of categories with a single object. 01:46:06 `? monoids 01:46:07 Monoids are just the easy version of categories with a single object. 01:46:10 Hmm. 01:46:24 `file wisdom/monoids 01:46:25 wisdom/monoids: ERROR: cannot open `wisdom/monoids' (No such file or directory) 01:46:31 `? monoides 01:46:32 monoides? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:46:39 ! 01:46:44 `culprits wisdom/monoids 01:46:46 oerjan oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull ais523 ais523 shachaf elliott shachaf 01:47:06 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 01:47:12 that sentence makes no sense 01:47:18 This is true. 01:47:26 "categories with a single object" isn't the thing that monoids are the easy version of 01:47:27 I'm gonna fix it. 01:48:02 oerjan: this is like the algorithm thing 01:48:05 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 01:48:12 you can't just mix two wisdoms and hope for an improved combined wisdom 01:48:54 `wisdom 01:48:55 itidus20/itidus20's entry has been censored. 01:49:01 `wisdom 01:49:03 substructural typing/Not to be confused with structural subtyping. 01:49:14 hmm, how to combine those 01:49:39 "itidus20/itidus20 was confused about structural subtyping, but [CENSORED]" 01:49:47 it's not that funny but neither were the originals 01:49:57 `le/rn Monoids are just the easy version of categories. Kids these days don't know how easy they've got it... in my day, two-sorted algebraic structures were the only kind we had, and we LIKED it! 01:49:58 No output. 01:50:10 -!- adu has joined. 01:50:13 that's even worse 01:50:25 Your turn. 01:50:34 By the way, what's your opinion on this? 01:50:35 `? rust 01:50:36 Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell. 01:50:46 i was happy with the way it was 01:51:04 You preferred wisdom/monoid immediately before I changed it just now? 01:51:32 I preferred it before oerjan merged them. 01:51:47 A month ago, apparently. 01:52:34 Well then. 01:52:48 `le/rn monoid/A monoid is the easy version of a category. 01:52:51 Learned «monoid» 01:52:57 `le/rn monoids/Monoids are categories with single objects. 01:53:00 Learned «monoids» 01:53:06 Rather. 01:53:10 `le/rn monoids/Monoids are just categories with single objects. 01:53:13 Learned «monoids» 01:53:20 whoa whoa whoa 01:53:28 i was hoping to get some input from oerjan 01:53:35 not just to mess his thing up 01:53:41 we gotta form a committee 01:54:21 `mkcommittee 01:54:22 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mkcommittee: not found 01:54:34 What? What sort of Unix-like environment doesn't have mkcommittee? 01:54:56 This isn't very welcoming. I'm feeling underwelcomed. 01:55:05 I need some way to compensate for this feeling of underwelcome. 01:55:10 `autowelcome on 01:55:11 Autowelcome enabled. 01:55:20 Yes. Yes. Most wonderful. 01:55:27 `cat bin/autowelcome 01:55:28 [ "$1" == "on" ] && echo 'Autowelcome enabled.' || echo 'Autowelcome disabled.' 01:55:34 hmm 01:55:42 that script looks a lot like it doesn't do anything but print a message 01:56:49 `` ls wisdom/Mon* 01:56:50 ls: cannot access wisdom/Mon*: No such file or directory 01:56:55 `` ls wisdom/mon* 01:56:56 wisdom/monad \ wisdom/monads \ wisdom/monoid \ wisdom/monoidal category \ wisdom/monoids \ wisdom/monqy 01:57:03 oerjan: i already checked, it's not there hth 01:57:28 ah. 01:57:28 otherwise it would've printed "learnt «foo»" or something 01:57:34 fancy 01:58:22 ais523: _sometimes_ you're a bit captain obvious hth 01:58:57 wait that sounded all wrong. 02:00:15 ais523: i'm sure it would do something if it were possible to get HackEgo to do that something. 02:00:21 which it isn't. 02:01:05 `cat bin/le/rn 02:01:06 cat: bin/le/rn: No such file or directory 02:01:25 wait, how does that even work. 02:01:44 `` ls bin/le* 02:01:45 bin/learn \ bin/learn_append \ bin/learn_append2 02:01:50 AAAAAAAAAA 02:02:03 hm... 02:02:04 MWAHAHAHA 02:02:28 oh hm 02:02:32 `` ls le/rn 02:02:33 le/rn 02:02:38 `cat le/rn 02:02:39 #!/bin/bash \ [[ "$1" = */* ]] || exit \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | cut -d / -f 1) \ [ -z "$topic" ] && exit 1 \ value=$(echo "$1" | cut -d / -f 2-) \ echo "$value" > wisdom/"$topic" && echo "Learned «$topic»" 02:02:45 `` ls -l le/rn 02:02:47 lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 17 Jun 5 04:35 le/rn -> ../bin/slashlearn 02:03:00 mk is better 02:03:02 `` cat bin/mk 02:03:03 [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || exit 1; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key" 02:04:50 -!- ent0nces has quit. 02:08:37 is that obfuscated bash? 02:08:41 `mk wisdom/`mk//Everything's better with `mk. 02:08:43 wisdom/`mk 02:09:23 ais523: i don't see what's obfuscated about it 02:09:26 it uses a ton of operators that are rarely used, and is very punctuation-heavy as a result 02:09:44 even something like "?*//*" severely strains my mental parser 02:09:50 heh 02:10:16 i would not write such a thing in bash, but i don't know if there's a better way if you do 02:10:18 ais523: All I wanted to do was split a string on the first occurrence of // 02:10:48 what's the question mark for? 02:11:35 `mk ///////////// 02:11:36 /hackenv/bin/mk: line 1: : No such file or directory 02:11:38 Making sure the first part isn't empty. 02:11:54 shachaf: i found a loophole in that hth 02:11:55 As oerjan points out, it doesn't work very well. 02:12:08 improvements are welcome twh 02:12:23 i don't think you can use the loophole for anything, though 02:12:40 I don't think the check is even strictly necessary. 02:12:56 `` echo "blah" > ""; echo $? 02:12:57 bash: : No such file or directory \ 1 02:13:32 istr you discussed empty filenames the other day, and POSIX forbids them 02:14:19 idrt 02:14:24 idnrt, rather 02:14:37 * oerjan somehow wants a better pronoun there. something that means, "we, but not me, and possibly not you (singular) either" 02:14:48 ah 02:14:59 y'all? 02:15:06 maybe 02:15:16 exclusive y'all :P 02:15:37 it's not exclusive, is it? 02:16:53 y'all includes all 02:17:30 we do? 02:18:05 no, it does hth 02:19:43 in another channel there was a swatworthy moment discussing the phrase "all that glitters is not gold" 02:19:49 it's a pity you weren't there 02:20:16 a missed golden opportunity, for sure 02:35:56 -!- shikhin has joined. 02:39:27 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:04:24 POSTSCRIPT ENGLISH 03:06:02 face man 's kick; 03:06:10 (Kick man's face) 03:07:50 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:08:31 -!- ^v has joined. 03:17:55 <\oren\> RRRRR 03:18:25 <\oren\> can people quiet down and stop having their lovers quarrel in the allwy behind my house 03:19:30 <\oren\> I opened the window and yelled "Hello! Can You quiet down out there!" 03:21:53 <\oren\> Oh god damn it stop whimpering and shrieking 03:28:21 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 03:29:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:31:24 [wiki] [[J--]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44822&oldid=44573 * Phase * (-78) That branch was merged 03:39:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:42:12 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:01:07 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 04:53:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:25:59 [wiki] [[Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44823&oldid=42119 * 106.219.33.0 * (+4) /* More examples */ 05:30:39 -!- JesseH has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:01:58 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 06:02:50 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:08:53 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 06:54:48 -!- mauris has joined. 07:10:19 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:18:52 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:39:12 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:41:30 -!- gamemanj has joined. 07:42:40 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:42:54 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:44:07 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:49:30 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:54:05 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 09:00:54 -!- |f`-`|f has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:03:39 -!- gamemanj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:07:48 -!- |f`-`|f has joined. 09:08:00 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:09:25 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:10:19 wow is github's UI for merge commits terrible, it seems to show all the content that was being merged in even if the merge itself was lawful good (i.e. no conflicts anywhere) 09:11:41 ...I don't think that's what they mean by "sequence alignment" 09:13:20 well isn't "evil merge" an established git phrase? I took the opposite, then intensified it 09:13:39 (I assume a merge with conflicts, in which the merge-conflict-fixing is obvious and benign, would be chaotic good) 09:14:39 Would that mean that lawful evil merges are the worst (no conflicts, but your code breaks) 09:14:57 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:15:40 ooh I like that 09:15:57 although an "evil merge" normally refers to introducing something unrelated in a merge commit 09:17:25 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:17:49 presumably a true neutral commit is when you actually cherry-picked, rather than merging, and had to heavily modify the code to get it to fit with the codebase 09:22:12 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:22:24 ais523: what would chaotic and lawful neutral be? 09:23:02 lawful neutral is an extra commit just after the merge, that does nothing but delete trailing whitespace 09:23:10 not sure about CN offhand 09:33:05 -!- ais523 has quit. 09:33:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:38:09 -!- ais523 has quit. 09:38:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:52:59 -!- FreeFull has quit. 09:54:55 "Deconstructed Salad-Smoked Salmon" what does that even mean 09:55:38 Ohh, it's "Deconstructed salad: smoked salmon, something else, more stuff." 09:56:01 I still don't know exactly what it means, but at least it's more plausible. 09:58:52 clearly you set the salad on fire and use it to smoke the salmon 09:59:14 (yesterday I had a meal I haven't had in over 10 years: chicken mayo and lettuice toastie) 09:59:29 (I ordered it by mistake once and discovered I rather liked it, despite the fact that people rarely toast lettuice) 09:59:42 the hard part was convincing the chef to cook it 10:13:40 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:15:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:24:28 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:26:52 A deconstructed salad was just a thing where you have the ingredients for a salad in different containers. 10:27:17 Although I have a feeling they never were in a salad together at any point in time. 10:27:50 idea: a salad sorting machine, which you put a salad in and it sorts out the individual ingredients 10:28:05 useful if you have a salad that contains something you can't eat or don't like, but which you otherwise want to eat 10:28:13 (you can subsequently shuffle the desired ingredients back together) 10:28:54 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:29:08 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:29:13 Might be a challenging build if it needs to handle more liquid ingredients. 10:31:15 -!- bender| has joined. 10:31:15 -!- bender| has quit (Changing host). 10:31:15 -!- bender| has joined. 10:38:20 -!- boily has joined. 10:44:16 ais523: salad sorter: http://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=944 10:44:58 -!- TieSleep has changed nick to TieSoul. 10:56:45 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:56:51 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 10:57:47 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 11:01:34 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 11:07:03 `mk 11:07:04 No output. 11:07:10 `` cat bin/mk 11:07:12 [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || exit 1; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key" 11:11:12 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:13:12 -!- jaboja has joined. 11:26:24 @metar FTTJ 11:26:25 FTTJ 221100Z 07008KT 030V110 CAVOK 38/03 Q1010 NOSIG 11:27:14 @metar FEFF 11:27:15 FEFF 221100Z VRB02KT 8000 SCT026 32/22 Q1011 NOSIG 11:27:38 warmth, why must you be so far away... 11:28:02 -!- boily has quit (Quit: OPINIATED CHICKEN). 11:28:27 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 11:37:02 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:43:10 >30? That's crazy-talk. 11:43:18 @metar EGLL 11:43:18 EGLL 221120Z AUTO 29010KT 9999 OVC031 14/07 Q1017 11:46:26 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:46:50 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:52:39 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:06:12 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:11:38 -!- MDream has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 12:54:30 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 13:00:22 -!- vifino has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:03:06 -!- vifino has joined. 13:15:14 cold, fizzie? 13:15:23 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:17:22 apparently that 30+ was africa? boily must be cold too 13:18:54 @metar lowi 13:18:55 LOWI 221250Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW060 12/02 Q1016 NOSIG 13:29:54 -!- bender| has changed nick to JackWarnerBros. 13:30:44 -!- JackWarnerBros has changed nick to bender^. 13:31:00 -!- bender^ has changed nick to bender|. 13:46:23 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:54:36 -!- Wright has joined. 14:00:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:06:00 https://www.reddit.com/r/befunge/ was this necessary, I wonder 14:08:18 -!- MDream has joined. 14:12:57 no, reddit wasn't necessary 14:13:36 but it's a minor nuisance compared to facebook and twitter ;) 14:25:02 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:29:16 who is okflo 14:31:40 quintopia: someone close to int-e 14:32:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:39:21 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:40:59 -!- mroman has joined. 14:41:13 Does someone have a vServer with CGI Support :)? 14:42:27 @tell mauris: Yeah en is different than pythons [::a], but I just commented on that codegolf post and included some workarounds 14:42:27 Consider it noted. 14:43:53 did it post that to mauris or mauris:? 14:43:58 @tell mauris Yeah en is different than pythons [::a], but I just commented on that codegolf post and included some workarounds 14:43:58 Consider it noted. 14:44:01 just to be sure :D 14:44:37 @tell mauris There's 7mo14.+?i1+] but I found a better way today which is by using co: 100ro7co)-] 14:44:37 Consider it noted. 14:45:07 @tell mauris generally slicing as in [::a] can be done by doing a co)-] 14:45:07 Consider it noted. 14:46:59 how can you have a vserver without cgi support? 14:47:19 I mean, aren't you supposed to be root on those things? 14:47:59 I don't have a vServer anymore I'm afraid. 14:48:47 and 7bc0R@?*15.+?i is probably my worst attempt at the problem :D 14:51:20 anyway, what are you trying to do? 14:51:44 @tell mauris Well actually 1{7?+}14!C is even shorter. (If you output the numbers) 14:51:45 Consider it noted. 14:51:56 int-e: Trying to host the burlesque online shell again :D 14:52:08 so people can use Burlesque again without installing it locally 14:52:35 and I don't think haskell2javascript is advanced enough for that to work 14:52:59 so the easiest option is through CGI like I did in the past. 14:53:11 are you sure, i hear ghcjs is pretty impressive these days 14:53:31 No, I just haven't heard any good things about it lately 14:53:44 what was that language someone made that was based on programming by example 14:53:54 oh nvm 14:53:56 found it 14:54:04 mroman: I guess I could give you an account on my cloud at coast server... I'm not using it for anything useful anyway 14:54:21 (this one, http://104.167.104.168/) 14:54:23 also 14:54:26 -!- nycs has joined. 14:54:38 doesn't ghcjs require some backend server running as well? 14:54:44 like node.js or something? 14:54:57 i don't know how it works 14:55:05 yeah me neither :( 14:55:23 except that it supports most of ghc haskell and can even install cabal packages 14:55:24 int-e: I guess that could be awesome. 14:55:40 can you set limits on that account? 14:55:44 like ram/cpu usage 14:55:54 because somebody could easily try to run a script that consumes 4GB of memory ;) 14:56:10 I had configured limits through apache 14:56:12 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 14:56:36 shouldn't be hard 14:56:48 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:58:12 -!- ocharles___ has joined. 14:58:54 -!- tromp has joined. 14:58:56 Well that depends :) 14:59:32 If you give me a www-home-dir (such as host/~username/cgi-bin) then you need to make sure that those programs in cgi-bin aren't run under the user the webserver runs under 14:59:35 int-e: Ah, the NoCloudAtAnyCost provider. 15:00:14 -!- perrier_ has joined. 15:00:15 fizzie: is hackego still running on one of those? 15:01:12 -!- puck1pedia has joined. 15:03:25 I can't even access error logs on my server 15:03:30 in case I mess up a .htacess or something 15:03:32 :D 15:03:36 I have so fucking limited access :( 15:04:07 int-e: Yes. 15:04:09 -!- Lymee has joined. 15:04:19 -!- dtscode has joined. 15:05:30 -!- aretecode has joined. 15:07:00 -!- ocharles__ has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- tromp__ has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- nchambers has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- MoALTz has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- Lymia has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- perrier has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- skarn has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- Alcest has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- puckipedia has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- olsner has quit (*.net *.split). 15:07:00 -!- dtscode has changed nick to nchambers. 15:07:00 -!- puck1pedia has changed nick to puckipedia. 15:07:00 -!- Lymee has changed nick to Lymia. 15:07:17 -!- Alcest_ has joined. 15:08:12 -!- nycs has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:08:41 [wiki] [[RubE On Conveyor Belts]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44824&oldid=38332 * 152.26.69.43 * (+48) /* Interpreter source code */ 15:10:13 -!- ocharles___ has changed nick to ocharles__. 15:10:34 -!- olsner has joined. 15:18:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Etc.). 15:22:29 -!- Alcest_ has changed nick to Alcest. 15:24:17 -!- bender| has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:36:13 -!- JesseH has joined. 15:37:41 -!- kallisti has joined. 15:42:06 -!- bb010g has joined. 15:43:01 -!- jaboja has joined. 15:43:36 -!- jaboja has quit (Client Quit). 15:46:01 -!- skarn has joined. 15:59:25 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:03:41 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:24:33 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:30:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 16:33:41 Infix stack-based language 16:33:50 The SYA is run on the source prior to execution 16:35:14 b_jonas: Hi? 16:35:27 -!- aretecode has joined. 16:37:00 Hi aretecode! 16:40:34 Do Stack-Oriented Languages have a `while` loop? 16:41:06 argh 16:41:11 hppavilion[1]: hello 16:41:22 :) 16:41:37 How's it going? 16:44:40 They don't need too, but neither do register-oriented languages. 16:45:43 Huh 16:46:07 -!- adu has joined. 16:46:16 What I mean is, what stack-based alnguage do you mean specifically? 16:46:20 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 16:46:22 I always assumed WHILE (or a similar counterpart) was pretty much necessary for TCness, as a TM can not halt (as opposed to cannot halt) 16:46:31 argh. I'm blaming the compiler now. 16:46:31 I know stack languages can have loops. 16:46:43 They definitely have FOR loops; that's easy 16:47:00 They pop a couple variables and an anonymous function 16:47:09 (or nonymous function if the language allows) 16:47:25 A FOR loop can be seen as a while loop in which the loop control variable is only modified when ti is checked. 16:47:38 Oh yeah! 16:48:09 You can do something like for(i=0;False;i++;) {...} 16:48:14 (I think that works) 16:48:39 (The second argument to for can be any boolean value or thing returning a boolean value, if it's designed correctly) 16:48:43 The only stack-ased language I've learned to any great extent is IBNIZ. 16:49:54 I don't know wbout non-esoteric ones as much, but I'm pretty sure Forth has while loops. 16:49:57 And Factor. 16:51:51 You can also get TCness with gotos, subtroutines, or functions. 16:52:23 Though the first one is seen as undesired outside of assembly coding. 16:54:12 I think that my design for Wbye could support WHILE loops 16:54:22 And k-loops 16:54:42 What is the heirarchy of control flow structures? 16:54:57 At the root, the primitives, is GOTO-IF 16:55:02 hppavilion[1]: first: False actually doesn't make sense. second: nothingnis also valid in most languages 16:55:20 myname: How does it not make sense? 16:55:28 Oh right! 16:55:33 It should be `True`! 16:55:41 yeah 16:55:42 Forgot how that kind of for-loop works xD 16:55:53 Python, sadly, only supports foreach 16:56:11 but for(;;) is a valid endless loop most of the time 16:56:21 myname: I knew that xD 16:56:38 So at the bottom is goto-if, upon which we get k-loops and while-loops, and upon that is for, and upon that is foreach. 16:56:42 That's my heirarchy 16:56:46 so why not for(i=0;;i++) 16:56:56 More of a linked list than a heirarchy 16:57:03 myname: Fair enough. I'm not very good at C. 16:57:04 GTG 16:57:25 for(i=0;;i++) would take up a whole variable for no reason. 16:57:41 -!- ent0nces has joined. 16:57:46 yeah, so just (;;) is fine 16:57:48 If numbers are bignum by default, it's even an unbounded memory leak. 16:58:02 I'm back, for a short time 16:58:08 (Classes just started for me) 16:58:47 If i is signed, for(i=0;;i++); is undefined. 16:58:48 myname: Oh! I know why I did that! 16:59:04 I was thinking in stack-based, where you can't tell it how many variables it gets, it just pops a fixed number 16:59:17 s/variables/arguments/ 16:59:31 Because I was discussing `while` in an SBL. 16:59:31 -!- ent0nces_ has joined. 16:59:46 I still got the `False` wrong, though. 17:00:37 Stack based languages use a secondary stack to manage loops. 17:01:00 MDude: But a Stack-based FOR loop still gets its arguments from the main stack, iirc 17:01:04 Or they useone for FOR loops anyway. 17:01:14 True 17:01:31 OK. That's why I wrote it with all the extra arguments then. 17:02:10 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:02:11 Forth has "uncounted" loops -- `BEGIN ... test WHILE ... REPEAT`, `BEGIN ... test UNTIL` and `BEGIN ... AGAIN` -- and counted loops -- `limit start DO ... LOOP`. 17:02:49 Where ... is for loop body, and 'test' something that's supposed to leave a flag on the stack on whether to continue or not. 17:02:56 I was confused earlier because there's a stack based programming language named FALSE which does in fact make sense. 17:06:31