00:15:22 So I think now I understand exactly why a Devoid permanent that loses all abilities is still colorless. 00:15:47 In Magic, continuous effects are applied in a specific order. Earlier effects completely, totally ignore later effects. 00:19:04 The becoming-colorless effect from Devoid is applied before the losing-all-abilities effect is applied. Therefore, the card is colorless: by the time it loses Devoid, Devoid has already taken effect. 00:19:46 Except I'm using "time" funny there. This is sort of a secondary type of time existing underneath actual game time. 00:19:55 Really, it's not time at all. 00:19:56 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 00:20:37 So when I say "by the time X happens, Y has already happened", what I really mean is "the happening of X has no causal influence on the happening of Y, due to a time-like reason". 00:23:31 pikhq: :'( 00:23:47 shachaf: ? 00:24:10 /win 00:24:14 * pikhq is slightly drunk and full of cheese 00:24:22 swiss cheese? 00:24:33 Well, by definition yes. 00:24:47 Though I think it was more gruyere than emmentaler. 00:24:56 poochhq 00:25:40 i hear the swiss are fondue of cheese 00:25:56 It's true, and I can't blame them. 00:26:16 Fondue is delicious. 00:26:30 My font renderer works :) 00:26:39 Now I just need to make the font using JSON 00:27:02 Especially with a moderate number of people. 00:27:05 I've already got "abcdefghij" and " " and the unknown character 00:27:28 hppavilion[1]: is it a bitmap or vector font? what style? 00:27:31 Though I might have a slight problem with the usage 00:27:51 FireFly: Vector; It's a sans-serif if I know how typefaces work 00:28:06 oh, okay 00:28:28 It uses a custom engine because I'm making it for the WalrusOS, which is going to be me /finally/ developing an EsOS, albeit one that runs on top of another OS in python 00:28:46 FireFly: Serifs would be hard to render because I have to type commands by hand 00:28:51 (It's also monospace) 00:28:56 In JSON 00:29:07 So I would have to tell it where every single line goes 00:29:34 Which would be a pain 00:29:40 Anything greatly wrong with that? <-- looks good to me 00:29:41 In a serify font, that is 00:30:34 Also, oh my goodness, Zurich has functioning public transit. 00:30:38 It's kinda wonderful. 00:31:06 Sounds nice. I should visit Switzerland someday 00:31:35 It is fairly pleasant from what I've seen. 00:43:35 -!- Wright has joined. 00:45:58 -!- adu has joined. 00:47:58 Wrong stuff time. 00:52:18 When a spell is copied, the copy is not cast. If a face-down creature is a copy of a face-up creature, the characteristics the face-down creature has due to being face-down override the characteristics from the copy. If there are no attacking creatures, the declare blockers and combat damage steps are skipped. 00:56:38 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 01:14:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:19:30 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:25:19 I have now created a basic IDE for making fonts 01:25:32 Because my friend who's going to make a font for this doesn't know JSON xD 01:26:21 It's buggy and not great to work in, but it will at least allow him to edit fonts and save them to JSON, and along with the test driver see what he's doing 01:44:57 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:45:03 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:45:33 -!- MDude has joined. 01:46:05 -!- shikhin has joined. 01:46:31 -!- FireFly has joined. 01:58:35 hppavilion[1]: is it called fontographer? 01:59:03 adu: It's not named at all 01:59:29 -!- bb010g has joined. 01:59:38 I personally think the two sexiest font formats are .bdf and .svg 01:59:43 .otf is overrated 02:01:14 I once made a single webpage with JS and all for editing .bdf bitmap fonts, it was pretty cool 02:01:29 YES! 02:01:35 CHARACTER SWITCHING WORKS! 02:01:41 PROBABLY! 02:01:48 AND IT'S NICE AND SNAZZY, TOO! 02:02:29 hppavilion[1]: is it for bitmap fonts? or vector fonts? 02:02:46 adu: Vector; the font format is JSON 02:02:59 It's human-readable, if the human can read JSON and Command Prompt 02:03:02 JSON is not a vector format 02:03:10 adu: JSON is used to encode the font 02:03:16 how? 02:03:21 The font is a vector format inside JSON 02:03:31 which vector format? 02:03:37 adu: One I made up 02:03:41 I guess 02:03:54 is it similar to VML paths or SVG paths? 02:04:38 Well, the entire thing is a simple map that maps single-character strings to a 2-tuple (array in JSON) where the first item is a list of commands encoded as strings and the second is another map for metadata 02:04:56 adu: It's not really pathy; It's just commands to draw shapes on a canvas 02:05:25 have you written a spec for it? 02:07:25 you can't have shapes without paths... 02:08:41 so like "O": [["Circle[0, 0]"], {"x-advance": 100}]? 02:11:34 adu: there is a spec, more or less 02:11:41 Exactly, basically 02:12:41 The exact command for O would probably be "ellipse 7 14 7 14" 02:12:46 -!- andrew_ has joined. 02:13:10 And "x-advance" is actually "width" and it would be valued at 14 in the default font (called "standard" for now) 02:22:40 andrew_? 02:23:41 hppavilion[1]: I like SVG fonts better 02:23:54 you can already make ellipses 02:23:57 adu: They're definitely better, but this is my own thing I'm doing for fun 02:24:12 adu: Huh? 02:24:13 hppavilion[1]: after you have fun, you should make an SVG font editor 02:24:33 adu: It's also made for rendering text in the EsOS, AKA the WalrusOS 02:24:43 02:24:55 you can already make ellipses in SVG fonts 02:24:59 Ah 02:25:09 "Already: relative to what? 02:25:13 s/:/"/ 02:25:39 already relative to your fun, i.e. there are already rendering engines for SVG fonts, for example, Firefox 02:25:39 I could've just used the builtin text printer, but that wouldn't have been as Eso AND this was more fun AND this way I know what I'm doing AND I've done this before 02:26:07 ok 02:26:18 I'm just informing you of what exists 02:26:28 however esoteric it might be 02:26:57 Just existing in Firefox, doesn't mean it isn't esoteric :) 02:29:05 Ah 02:29:17 Just got to s 02:29:21 This is going to be fun xD 02:31:13 I once made a vector version of GNU unifont 02:31:41 I got bored after uppercase letters 02:32:23 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: screenshot/demo? I'd love to see this 02:32:38 \oren\: OK. One minute 02:33:59 -!- boily has joined. 02:34:39 hellørjan. 02:35:59 holy fungot was that dosa good. the crêpe was perfect, the curry perfect, the sambar perfect and chattni perfect. 02:35:59 boily: the edit that made it a redirect to organizational behavior, or directly to organizational studies? i see there is now a backronym that is in vogue, or having someone else use it is not for advertising and your film is about. i've seen references in the introduction in latin he calls that language ' ' could" have played the joker relevant anymore? that section looks so cluttered with sources and with names that it doesn' 02:36:17 fungot: a dosa backronyms? 02:36:17 boily: the edit described by fnord seems not to provide information for an infobox. a snagboat is essentially any, repeat any, barge with any type of fnord fnord. 02:36:39 fungot: so it's a snagboat describe by fnord. 02:36:39 boily: it might be just me fnord but i don't think that the 02:36:45 \oren\: http://imgur.com/gallery/lokzyoL/new 02:36:48 fungot: yes, it's you fnord. 02:36:49 boily: ja: it looked like a few months now on the curricula of high schools in the state relative to the cornell figure ( which i can't remember at this minute). but that humanism can be religious, or non-religious is the point of taking them off in the past in its policies. user:laurel bushlaurel bush 11:23, 19 december 2005 ( utc 02:36:49 Hi boily! 02:36:53 hppavellon[1]! 02:36:54 I'm making a text renderer! 02:36:58 shiny! 02:37:43 From that image I posted, you can see everything except the source code (which is on GitHub) 02:37:46 -!- Frooxius has joined. 02:38:00 The entirety of all existing fonts AND the editor in all its glory 02:38:09 With the "g" character open for editing 02:39:05 your "m" is a little bit un-m-like :P 02:42:32 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futura_%28typeface%29 02:42:55 boily: Filler character xD 02:43:02 I'm actively working on the m really 02:43:07 It's really hard to do 02:43:49 <\oren\> I like geometric sans-serif fonts 02:44:10 -!- llue has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 02:44:13 you start with a stroke, then add curves, then strokes, then adjust, then adjust, then why won't it fit, then adjust, then tweak... 02:44:18 boily: NOW I have an m. It looks awful and unbalanced, but it's certainly legivle 02:44:53 \oren\: I'm glad it at least doesn't look like Comic Sans xD 02:44:55 `? legivle 02:44:55 oerjan: did you read that pdf twh 02:44:55 legivle? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:45:19 \helloren\, hellochaf, HellockEgo. 03:00:38 -!- boily has quit (Quit: MINT CHICKEN). 03:00:38 hppavilion[1]: is your system based on metafont-style paths? 03:01:08 adu: No clue 03:01:48 hppavilion[1]: it's when you use paths with a line-width instead of the traditional outline 03:01:56 adu: Ah 03:02:30 it looks like you're using fixed line-width 03:05:27 shachaf: which pdf twh 03:05:45 olistth 03:06:04 no, i'm still backlogged. perhaps more than when i got it. 03:07:18 i have however got a new version of it, as well as an offer of yet another one which i ignored when i realized it required login. 03:08:57 * oerjan checks oots just in case 03:11:05 adu: No, you can use the `size` command to change line width 03:11:17 (It's a bit turtly, but only because of that) 03:11:37 oerjan: you have a practically unlimited ootschive ahead of you 03:11:56 okay? 03:12:03 I think that the TFM/PK format are good for printer fonts, you can use METAFONT to generate it for the specific printer 03:13:06 hppavilion[1]: you've just reimplemented metafont 03:13:27 adu: Really? 03:13:28 Cool 03:15:32 Mine is going to support nondeterministic characters though :) 03:16:03 You'll be able to have, for example, the tidle of a character be just /roughly/ above it to make your fonts look more human if you so desire 03:17:03 tidle? 03:17:13 or tilde? 03:17:31 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: tithe). 03:19:53 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:27:40 @tell adu I meant tidle. Tidle is the dot above an i or j 03:27:40 Consider it noted. 03:42:35 <\oren\> hmm. a font that has simulated human error. that's pretty damn cool. 03:43:37 -!- JesseH has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:45:29 On the other hand, fonts like to be cached. 03:45:45 Hmm, a random font based on geometry shaders 03:47:00 Oh no 03:47:04 I just got to G 03:47:37 Jafet: Not sure how to cache it with my current setup, so... 03:48:28 \oren\: Thank you :) 03:51:21 METAFONT is capable of doing random numbers, although that is decided at compile-time of the font. But, you could make more than 256 character and then use a postprocessor to randomize the high 24-bits of the character codes in the output file, and now you can randomize individual characters by 24-bits. 04:05:25 TRIPLE-STORY g! 04:05:58 zzo38: 256? Hahahahahaha. Unicode or nothing. 04:10:49 I just remembered if I do unicode I'll have to code in combining diacritics 04:11:04 I'm not sure whether to *gulp* or to "yay!". 04:11:43 Maybe you should yulp. 04:11:57 *Yulp!* 04:12:03 Have a gay time. 04:24:26 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:24:54 -!- TodPunk has joined. 04:32:05 -!- GoToTell has joined. 04:32:34 -!- GoToTell_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:11:39 I'm trying to decide whether to use a dotted or slashed zero 05:11:41 ... 05:11:43 What a boring issue 05:18:16 [wiki] [[WTFZOMFG]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45115&oldid=36296 * 108.213.218.145 * (-1) 05:28:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:44:05 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 05:53:20 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:08:18 -!- andrew_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:08:47 -!- andrew_ has joined. 06:29:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:46:10 The 5 and 6 look a little lopsided, but otherwise the numbers are great 06:46:23 I should've done 32*64 characters instead of 14*28 06:58:10 -!- Hooloo42 has changed nick to Hoolootoo. 07:03:51 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: a variety of aspect ratios exist for fixed-width fonts 07:04:25 Of course 07:05:06 But I started by maknig mine 14*28 for some reason then realized after completing all of the lowercase letters and many uppercase I should've gone with 32*64 07:05:11 Or 16*32, I mean 07:05:25 Because 16 and 32 divide by 2 more times 07:05:53 I'm on & and it is evil 07:06:21 <\oren\> I used a nonstandard appearance for & 07:06:40 Such as? 07:07:09 <\oren\> I made it a "C" with a slash down from the middle, across the lower limb 07:08:13 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm <-- here it's above F on the first row of the ASCII section 07:08:49 Ugh, my ampersand looks awful 07:08:53 But good enough 07:11:49 oooh heart variations for me 07:11:57 how cute <3 07:13:03 It seems that I've completely forgon character encoding in my fonts 07:13:20 do chinese characters come in two different sizes? 07:13:35 <\oren\> No 07:13:52 <\oren\> there's no capital oand lowercase chinese 07:14:21 then my browser is drawing them incorrectly? http://i.imgur.com/jqTC165.png 07:15:17 <\oren\> Nah, that's my fault 07:15:48 <\oren\> Some of the chinese characters in my font have their widths set to 16 pixels instead of the correct 18 pixels 07:15:54 Should I break monospace for arrows? 07:16:07 If I do, I'll probably make them double-width 07:16:11 <\oren\> I'll correct it in the next release 07:16:30 (so EXACTLY 56 characters wide) 07:16:45 \oren\: ah, so that's why they were shifted! 07:17:16 \oren\: meanwhile, I'm still asking for the hundred kanji, as well as vertical versions of the long vowel sign, full stop, and comma. 07:17:34 you should generate the preview dynamically 07:18:36 <\oren\> izabera: I'll do that, uh... sometime 07:19:06 * b_jonas waves 07:20:06 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:20:09 oh, and there was one more. \oren\: add \x{3000} 07:20:29 -!- heroux has joined. 07:20:39 <\oren\> b_jonas: got it. 07:20:44 [wiki] [[CASTLE]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45116&oldid=45082 * Quintopia * (+3780) Added randomness, negation and REDGREEN example 07:21:55 IIt's funny how Unicode supports braile 07:22:22 \oren\: oh, have you silently fixed ⟦⟧ ? 07:22:29 hppavilion[1]: unicode _partly_ supports braille 07:26:46 <\oren\> Oh, yeah I did 07:29:34 great 07:29:53 I'm saying \x{3000} because although it's not very common, it's also not hard to draw 07:31:06 "百" is way more common 07:34:58 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:45:35 <\oren\> Updated! 07:46:02 \oren\: I would like your opinion on whether I should break monospace and add double-width characters for nice looks, or preserve monospace at all costs 07:46:48 (This is the only font I'm making for the forseeable future, so this WILL be used in consoles and such, but the only characters that will be doublewidth are arrows and such) 07:49:02 <\oren\> Ok, somehow the width problem is now only happening in chrome and not firefox?! 07:49:07 <\oren\> RRGH 07:56:05 <\oren\> FUUUUUUUUUUU 07:56:21 <\oren\> I figured it out, this is soooo STUPID 07:56:54 \oren\: what 07:57:10 also, thanks 07:59:03 <\oren\> basically, the TTF's I've been generating have been corrupted becouse they have a "width in points" used by chrome, independent from the "width in pixels" that is used by sane programs 07:59:24 <\oren\> and that width is all over the place 08:00:32 <\oren\> I can probably use perl to regenerate the "SWIDTH" though 08:01:05 \oren\: great 08:01:30 \oren\: currently I see characters in the kanji block last line of the demo page that aren't in your font thouhg 08:01:41 but I'm glad you added the hundred 08:01:59 <\oren\> seriously fuck graphic designers with this fucking inconsistent "DPI" and "points" units 08:02:02 and some of hte punctuation 08:19:46 There is no upper- or lower-case in han script, but there is 简体 and 繁體. 08:22:10 Jafet: and they are not really interchangable in the same context like upper- and lower-case in latin scripts. 08:23:33 <\oren\> I should make some images of what text looks like in my font (like, real text) 08:35:46 <\oren\> here's an example of a russian passage: http://www.orenwatson.be/russian.png 08:41:48 Why is s rendered as ʃ? 08:42:33 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:43:33 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:45:57 <\oren\> it is rendered in that shape because that's how I handwrite it 08:46:53 <\oren\> (the characters s and ʃ are different in my font. ʃ is taller) 08:59:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:06:42 -!- lifthras1ir has changed nick to lifthrasiir. 09:08:21 -!- gniourf has joined. 09:34:13 \oren\: yes, me too, I should make images of nice selections of sample text rendered in my font, 09:34:19 and also images showing all the characters 09:34:34 but I keep postponing this 09:36:35 I even have good candidates for what natural language text to show, but it's much harder to find representative program code or similar that shows off all the ascii punctuation characters nicely. 09:55:10 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:55:17 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:56:38 -!- copumpkin has joined. 09:58:30 -!- jameseb- has changed nick to jameseb. 10:00:29 -!- FireFly has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:00:30 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:01:01 -!- shikhin has joined. 10:04:25 `wisdom 10:04:26 brainfuck/brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. 10:04:28 `wisdom 10:04:30 nih/NIH was /not/ invented by Taneb. 10:04:34 `wisdom 10:04:35 wlcom/Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: . (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.) 10:04:39 `wisdom 10:04:41 composition/composition is where you take morphisms such as Phantom and Hoover from the Pha category and combine them together: Hoover ∘ Phantom. 10:04:47 `wisdom 10:04:48 wise/Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise. 10:04:53 -!- jaboja has joined. 10:05:02 -!- FireFly has joined. 10:22:15 RING THE OBELL! 10:22:21 SOMEONE RING THE OBELL! 10:27:22 shachaf, or whoever usually does this, please ring the obell 10:28:06 -!- sewilton has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:29:18 -!- sewilton has joined. 10:53:31 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Skwerlman * New user account 11:01:40 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:36:52 -!- boily has joined. 11:48:56 boily: ring the obell 12:04:39 -!- jaboja has joined. 12:10:00 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:14:18 -!- scoofy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:14:25 * boily rings the obell 12:14:37 `? obell 12:14:37 obell? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:15:02 The ringing of the division bell had begun. 12:23:37 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RING RING RING RING RING RING RING BANANA PHONE ♪). 12:28:57 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:32:03 -!- scoofy has joined. 12:44:36 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:51:50 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:53:40 -!- andrew_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:03:47 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:53:39 -!- mauris has joined. 14:04:51 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:05:51 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 14:07:26 `olist 1011 14:07:27 olist 1011: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 14:07:44 finally 14:08:18 with like two hours of delay 14:08:27 well i didn't notice it in the logs before because you didn't ping me. have you considered `olist? 14:08:42 oerjan: you weren't here 14:08:57 you'd still have saved an hour. 14:08:58 oerjan: you joined like an hour ago 14:09:03 And thus I confirm that IFTTT is better than it claims to be in regards to RSS processing. 14:09:05 I didn't notice you enter, because I was busy 14:09:15 It claims it needs RSS feeds to have a GUID. It does not. 14:09:34 it's Friday and I'm working and writing emails about crazy security bugs 14:09:42 hi 14:09:54 and about a buggy attepmt to fix it 14:09:56 sup sgeo 14:10:05 b_jonas: there are no bugs, they're just out to get you hth 14:10:26 there are bugs 14:10:33 <\oren\> it's not a bug if they really are out to get you 14:10:36 oerjan: no, there _are_ bugs, but they're trying to tell me there are none to get me 14:10:51 \oren\ understands 14:10:52 bugs in your bedroom, on your phone line, on your computer... 14:11:09 they replied to my first report saying that it's not a bug 14:11:18 see? 14:11:25 I had to write a second report till they believed it 14:11:34 they still didn't acknoledge it was a bug, mind you 14:12:29 feature request then 14:14:47 <\oren\> New feature request for OpenSSH: make it so my enemies can't take my passwords. 14:16:47 they'll never add that feature. 14:17:00 its outside the scope of openssh 14:17:06 \oren\: that's not a feature request. that's http://www.xkcd.com/1086/ 14:17:32 <\oren\> I think i've fixed the chinese character wodths btw 14:17:40 <\oren\> s/wodth/width 14:18:02 <\oren\> yeah looks fixed in both chrome and fireofx 14:18:14 why? trying to use sclipting? 14:18:22 \oren\: great 14:18:48 \oren\: in the demo page, why are some of the Latin Extended still green? 14:19:43 <\oren\> whoops 14:20:15 oh, you added \x{3000}, I just didn't notice it because it wasn't obviously green. great! 14:20:47 \oren\: ok, now I'd still like a vertical writing version of the kana long vowel sign 14:21:43 what demo page? 14:22:23 -!- lleu has joined. 14:22:23 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 14:22:23 -!- lleu has joined. 14:22:36 \oren\: less importantly, "ゝ" and "ゞ" 14:22:51 \oren\: also "〱" 14:23:07 but those are weird symbols. the vertical version of the long vowel sign is actually important. 14:23:26 there's also "〲" 14:23:37 <\oren\> quintopia: http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm 14:24:10 <\oren\> it's a page ostensible containing every character in my font sorted into catagories 14:25:15 <\oren\> there's about 5200 characters in the font 14:25:38 why font 14:25:46 \oren\: and, I might not be familiar with the subtleties here, but isn't the bopomofo letter "ㄧ" supposed to be a horizontal line, similar in appearance to "一" ? 14:25:58 <\oren\> quintopia: why not font? 14:25:59 in your font it appears as a vertical line 14:27:06 <\oren\> oh. 14:28:08 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:28:30 \oren\: also, weren't you planning to do the halfwidth Hangul letters at some point? 14:28:42 it shouldn't be hard because there's only a few dozen 14:29:05 about 50 or 60 or something 14:33:14 b_jonas: "ㄧ" is vertical in my terminal 14:33:29 oerjan: maybe it can be vertical then, I don't know 14:33:33 -!- GoToTell_ has joined. 14:33:44 Writing systems: what are they good for, really? 14:33:56 fungot: Is your code written horizontally or vertically? 14:33:56 fizzie: fnord ( b) on the mtv fnord seal the deal on what the second tombolo looked like 100 years ago should attract such nonsense. mormons need to wake up to the sharks and makes them run and hide, constantly chases the tiger barbs, and fnord 14:34:01 its horizontal here 14:34:26 ^style 14:34:26 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube 14:34:35 fizzie: they are good for propaganda and lawyers 14:34:53 fungot: What's your opinion on edit wars? 14:34:54 fizzie: a native american tribe, and i'm quite pleased with the result. graphs and charts were messed up and it seemed to be useful: " egypt became a powerful modernized, industrial force in the middle ages: western europe' 14:35:06 Ah, the native American Edit War tribe. 14:35:17 -!- GoToTell has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:36:18 * oerjan sees an obvious last moment solution in oots, if the right priest/god were willing to consider it (maybe heimdall) 14:37:28 oerjan: the obvious solution is that priests just suck it up and break the rules of the godsmoot openly afterall, because if the world is destroyed, it doesn't matter anymore 14:38:05 i meant a solution that doesn't break the rules. 14:39:05 also, if the rules are broken, the gods that disagree with the result might go to war, or something. 14:39:41 oerjan: well, one solution is still to just kill the vampire 14:39:45 s/kill/destroy/ 14:40:04 well, sure, but only roy can do it and no one can help him 14:40:47 but what i'm thinking of is this - the rules forbid taking back votes, but they're still annulled if the priest dies... 14:41:03 so it just requires one suicide. 14:41:33 oerjan: that won't work. not without breaking rules here. the high priests are representing the gods here, who are ordering them to act on their behalf, including voting. 14:41:44 they can't suddenly disobey their gods. 14:41:54 not their own gods that is. 14:42:01 why would a high priest do that? 14:42:33 someone else killing a priest, possibly disguised as an unfortunate accident, sure, that could work. but suicide? no way. 14:44:00 b_jonas: because some of the gods, like heimdall, now desperately wish they _could_ change their vote. 14:44:19 oerjan: no, I don't think gods are now thinking that. 14:44:40 oerjan: that's just what the fans are thinking, not what the gods are thinking. 14:44:59 I for one don't think any of the gods want to change their rules. 14:46:08 b_jonas: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1001.html 14:46:26 it's the gods conversing there. 14:46:57 and i said vote, not rules 14:47:34 oerjan: hmm, maybe, but I don't think the rise of Hel to more power is such a big problem for the gods. Hel would suddenly go from about 0 souls to about 12e6 souls. that's a big deal for Hel clearly, but not that much in the grand scheme of things, when the other gods already have like 1e8 souls or more, and there are 20 other gods around. 14:47:48 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:48:08 But even if Heimdall really wanted to change his vote, he can't now, so it doesn't matter. 14:48:22 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 14:48:31 He can't even order his priest to suicide, because that would amount to changing his vote, and breaking the rules, so the gods would turn against her. 14:48:34 him. 14:48:36 whatever. 14:48:43 b_jonas: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1000.html, panel 12, second bubble 14:49:17 although perhaps Hel is too optimistic. 14:49:28 oerjan: yes, Hel does say "Queen of the Northern Pantheon", but I don't believe in that 14:49:32 he is too optimistic 14:49:38 she would _still_ gain a lot from this 14:49:42 so it might be worth for hre 14:49:50 and she can't stop gloating 14:49:59 I can excuse some hyperboles 14:51:13 oerjan: also, in #1001, Heimdall doesn't even say anything. only Loki speaks. 14:51:40 Hel assuming that Heimdall wants to change his vote might be wrong 14:52:45 "she", hel is goddess 14:52:51 um 14:53:17 > compare (10e8/20) 12e6 14:53:19 GT 14:53:20 -!- lleu has joined. 14:53:20 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 14:53:20 -!- lleu has joined. 14:53:25 oops 14:53:34 > compare (1e8/20) 12e6 14:53:38 LT 14:53:46 there you go 14:54:05 oerjan: um no, you're comparing the wrong awy 14:55:20 I meant that each god has 1e8 soul, though that might be a bit too much, considering that dwarves live for 200 years and this world might not have existed for so long 14:55:46 well we've not established the total population of the world have we 14:56:31 > 12e6*20 14:56:34 2.4e8 14:56:49 And about Heimdall, he gave a speech where he explains that he's totally afraid of "the danger of which we dare not speak" is so important that he has to ignore the comparatively smaller losses like all their followers' bodies. 14:57:04 that was bodies, not souls. 14:57:15 I don't think even Hel becoming Queen of the Northern Pantheon would make him change his mind, because the danger is still worse than what Hel could do as a Queen 14:57:42 Hel would still be bound by the laws the gods and pantheons made among themselves, the danger probably doesn't. 14:57:54 Sure, it's just bodies, but still 14:58:06 Though... 14:58:24 yeah, you have a point, he also says "but their souls will pass on to our respective realms as normal." 14:58:52 oerjan: we don't know how old the world is, nor whether there are many dwarves compared to other races, such as humans 14:59:10 Or the exchange rate between dwarf souls and human souls 14:59:37 1e8 souls per god means 2 billion population for the whole world, which is way above mideval levels. 15:00:10 *medieval 15:00:20 oerjan: it's not 2 billion population. that includes all the old souls who'd died centuries ago 15:00:24 Hel got very little of those 15:00:25 oh hm 15:00:34 right 15:04:15 anyway, it's rather narratively unlikely that the world is really going to end at this point, so it's just a matter of how rich burlew resolves it. 15:04:26 Plus, if the world is destroyed, Thor and Loki might start arguing to rationalize why the dwarves did die in honor afterall, if they were sacrificed as the only solution to protect their gods of a great unknown danger. 15:06:17 that would be just like them. 15:06:37 it was a pretty shitty way to treat Hel from the start. 15:07:05 even if the retribution is disproportional. 15:08:00 of course, she'd probably been an asshole in advance to make them come up with it. 15:09:15 I'm not sure anyone "came up with it". The gods needn't have known that dwarves would live such an honorable life when they created the world and its races. 15:09:37 heh 15:09:53 Really. I mean, the other races aren't all like that. 15:10:27 except durkon talked about dwarves ending their lives in honorable battle with conifers. 15:10:51 oh hm is that that tree thing again 15:11:46 yeah. maybe the other Northern gods were just more successful in motivating dwarves to live an honorable life until their death than Hel was in motivating the dwarves to live a life of sin. 15:11:58 I don't really know the backstory there. 15:12:29 no, i mean, that's pretty cop out way of getting an "honorable" death. 15:12:48 oerjan: sure it is 15:24:23 gods gods gods 15:33:22 > -(2^63) 15:33:24 -9223372036854775808 15:36:13 ooh list 15:36:48 b_jonas: oerjan presumably logreads or at least loggreps so his absence should not preclude you from olisting hth 15:37:29 so next time I should simply ask oerjan if I'd like the next strip to appear? 15:45:33 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:46:14 -!- mroman has joined. 15:46:17 fnörd 15:46:24 @massages-load 15:46:24 oerjan said 17h 20m 2s ago: see logs 15:46:24 oerjan said 16h 38m 53s ago: That sounds very pejorative. <-- it's the actual haskell motto hth 15:46:25 is there anything preventing what's-his-name from killing the yellow-hair halfling? 15:46:47 i guess it's too late now that the demigod priests have already ben fetched 15:47:34 also today's olist is clearly alluding to smlist 15:47:52 `smlist 431 15:47:52 smlist 431: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy 15:48:03 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 15:48:07 (it's alluding to 109) 15:48:23 `? smlist 15:48:23 smlist? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:48:31 super mega comics 15:56:33 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 15:58:14 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:02:52 shachaf: the halfling is the high priest of balder, so yes. 16:03:07 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0999.html 16:03:38 oh, right 16:03:49 i thought they sent some other person for some reason 16:03:56 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 263 seconds). 16:06:10 isn't it crazy that a god of beauty is called Balder? does that mean balder elves are more beautiful than hairy ones? 16:10:02 b_jonas: "bald" originally meant "white spot", and the name Balder may mean "the white one" 16:12:00 and then boulder dash was born 16:15:04 wiktionary's entry on balderdash says "Unknown, possibly from the early English drink of wine mixed with beer or water or other substances that was sold cheaply." 16:17:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 16:33:48 -!- bb010g has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:36:02 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:39:37 -!- bb010g has joined. 16:41:20 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 17:01:17 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:01:41 -!- Frooxius has joined. 17:14:55 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 17:17:33 -!- spatterworthy has joined. 17:18:02 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:24:07 -!- JesseH has joined. 17:30:08 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 17:47:19 -!- bb010g has joined. 17:53:04 -!- spatterworthy has quit (Quit: Page closed). 17:54:21 hu 17:54:29 I thought more specific css rules overwrite less specific 18:03:05 how can I set the title of the generated .html with pandoc? 18:03:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:03:43 ah 18:03:44 title 18:03:44 ok 18:03:56 \oren\: I never got your opinion on preserving monospace 18:04:21 but that's just a prefix 18:04:24 not the actual title 18:04:25 wtf 18:05:14 I enjoy giving partial explanations 18:05:26