00:00:05 <izabera> let me try :o
00:01:29 <fizzie> (There's also ncursesw.)
00:03:47 <fizzie> (Just to clarify, those were not alternatives. I know you have to initialize the locale in any case; I'm less sure about whether you can get by with non-w ncurses in an UTF-8 locale or not.)
00:04:26 <izabera> i used -lncursesw and setlocale but getch() still splits è
00:05:18 <fizzie> That's because the corresponding wide-character function is get_wch.
00:05:32 <izabera> ooh
00:05:35 <izabera> thanks!
00:06:16 <boily> izabèllora!
00:06:19 <fizzie> The naming is ridiculous, because 'w' is both for wide and 'window', and I don't think it's not entirely consistent throughout.
00:06:37 <fizzie> Although generally 'w' as the first letter of a function name is probably for 'window'.
00:06:37 <izabera> belloily :)
00:07:00 <izabera> yeah fizzie i noted that wgetch is totally not what i wanted <.<
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00:24:31 <Taneb> I'm on a post-birthday book buying spree
00:24:39 <Taneb> Any recomendations?
00:30:06 <izabera> what kind of books are you buying?
00:31:25 <\oren\> Man and the Computer by John Diebold
00:32:05 <izabera> dnd for dummies
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00:35:30 <\oren\> Man and the Computer is great because it offers a perspective on the infancy of Computer Science, written in 1969.
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00:59:33 <zzo38> Do you know how to set the margins properly when printing a PBM file with CUPS?
01:00:23 <zzo38> It turns out I needed to send the PBM file directly to lp/lpr rather than sending the ZjStream file.
01:30:24 <zzo38> I got it to work now
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01:49:46 <\oren\> wow japanese people really dont give a shit about political correctness
01:49:50 <\oren\> http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34460325
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01:59:14 <izabera> but why did they change the background
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02:17:22 * boily lightly mapoles fungot
02:17:22 <fungot> boily: your snapshot seems to work in an interpreter
02:17:55 <boily> fungot: my snapshot works, but I'm afraid it's only a temporary solution to a poissonny problem.
02:17:55 <fungot> boily: is busser your last name by any chance
02:18:05 <boily> fungot: no, it's Boily.
02:18:05 <fungot> boily: all the ( )s i had carelessly written in evaluated positions.
02:18:19 <boily> fungot: you like to parethesise dangerously.
02:18:19 <fungot> boily: 1.5. it might not.) well, normally it varies slightly more detail.
02:18:48 * boily *THWACKS* fungot. “BALANCE YOUR PARENTHESES!”
02:19:27 <boily> fungot: it's something to do it recklessly, but you may never unbalance them! it's uncouth, and may break the Universe!
02:19:42 <pikhq> )
02:20:06 <izabera> hey fizzie are you around?  thanks for the help, but i'm having problems with get_wch + iswprint
02:20:38 <izabera> when i press backspace, get_wch reads 263 and iswprint(263) is true
02:20:41 * boily glares at pikhq... ”just you wait, you miserable miscreant!”
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02:24:30 <\oren\> ((
02:24:39 <\oren\> ))
02:24:44 <\oren\> ((
02:24:45 <\oren\> ))
02:24:51 <\oren\> ]
02:24:52 <\oren\> [
02:24:55 <\oren\> []
02:24:56 <\oren\> ][
02:25:05 <\oren\> []
02:25:08 <\oren\> ][
02:25:13 <\oren\> []
02:25:15 <\oren\> ][
02:25:17 <\oren\> []
02:25:26 <\oren\> howzat?
02:25:43 <boily> *twitch*
02:25:54 <izabera> that's nice fsvo nice
02:26:41 <boily> \oren\: don't be surprised if the clouds part open and your computer is struck by a Divine Curly Brace of Balance Retribution.
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03:06:47 <izabera> curses is hard :(
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03:21:56 <FireFly> I'm more of a blessings person
03:22:50 <shachaf> HireFly is pretty fun to say.
03:23:18 <FireFly> Jokes aside, another alternative is libtickit.. I haven't used it, but knowing the author of it a bit I think one could expect it to be pretty decent, at least on the terminal communications side of things
03:23:30 <FireFly> Hopefully also API-wise
03:23:43 <FireFly> shachaf: HireFly is also pretty good advice to companies imo
03:23:50 <FireFly> especially this fly
03:23:57 <shachaf> You're a fly?
03:24:04 <shachaf> I didn't realize.
03:24:06 <FireFly> At least on IRC
03:24:29 <FireFly> Well, a firefly
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04:06:03 <nchambers> FireFly: stahp channel stalking me
04:06:11 <FireFly> ehm what
04:06:34 <FireFly> I didn't even realise you're in here :p
04:06:35 <nchambers> you're like in most of the channels I'm in
04:06:41 <nchambers> nor I you D:
04:06:44 <FireFly> `relcome nchambers
04:06:45 <HackEgo> ​nchambers: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
04:07:14 <nchambers> wai you do this?
04:07:19 <FireFly> I've been here on-and-off awhile
04:07:23 <nchambers> now I need to join more networks
04:07:29 <nchambers> but I'll do it later
04:09:31 <nchambers> FireFly: join #irp
04:11:17 <shachaf> oh
04:11:26 <shachaf> i was hoping that would be a channel for discussing political economy
04:11:44 <shachaf> mark twain wrote about political economy
04:11:49 <shachaf> http://www.twainquotes.com/Galaxy/187009a.html
04:12:17 <nchambers> no this is cooler
04:12:22 <adu> how is shachaf pronounced?
04:12:40 <shachaf> I'm pronounced?
04:12:47 <shachaf> I try not to be.
04:12:49 * adu doesn't know
04:13:20 <shachaf> @google shachaf pronunciation
04:13:20 <lambdabot> http://forvo.com/word/shachaf/
04:13:21 <lambdabot> Title: Shachaf pronunciation: How to pronounce Shachaf in Hebrew
04:13:22 <shachaf> like that
04:15:48 <adu> shachaf: I still don't know how to pronounce that, even after hearing it, so I'm going to call you "Seagull"
04:16:05 <shachaf> You don't need to pronounce my name to type it.
04:16:19 <adu> I need to pronounce it to think it
04:16:28 <adu> and I need to think it to type it
04:16:48 <adu> but you're right, I could just do s<tab>
04:17:18 <shachaf> SireFly
04:18:17 <adu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahaf
04:18:36 <adu> it's a nice name
04:21:51 <Jafet> It's one of the fun 'uns.
04:22:10 <nchambers> a few good names
04:23:54 <shachaf> Jafet: sha 'haf makes no sense hth
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04:42:54 <\oren\> shakhaf is the least misunderstandable spelling
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05:24:09 <oerjan> argh windows rebooted without my permission and lost all my tabs
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07:19:00 <oerjan> hm my computer claims it has no network access
07:19:58 <shachaf> your computer is correct hth
07:25:54 <\oren\> you can probably find your tabs in your browser history
07:26:20 <\oren\> is Marine le Pen an aquatic rabbit?
07:27:27 <oerjan> OKAY
07:28:02 <oerjan> \oren\: the problem is that all the ones i cared about had been open for days
07:28:07 <\oren\> '? OKAY
07:28:11 <\oren\> `? OKAY
07:28:12 <HackEgo> OKAY? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
07:28:35 <oerjan> i'll probably remember those i'm meant to.
07:28:38 <shachaf> `ÒKAÝ´
07:28:39 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ÒKAÝ´: not found
07:28:42 <shachaf> oops
07:29:01 <shachaf> i have tabs that have been open for months hth
07:29:05 <shachaf> probably years, actually
07:29:17 <shachaf> i've moved my browser session between computers and between browsers
07:29:25 <shachaf> but i'll get to them any day now, i'm sure
07:29:29 <\oren\> I usually bookmark things and then close them
07:29:45 <\oren\> or download the page and look at it later
07:30:16 <oerjan> if i bookmark things, i never look at them again tdnh
07:30:18 <\oren\> I have two tabs open right now
07:30:25 <oerjan> (not entirely true)
07:30:57 <oerjan> anyway, when i keep a tab open it's frequently because i want to remember my precise place in it.
07:31:21 <shachaf> oerjan: also if i tab things
07:31:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * SarahNathanson *  New user account
07:31:35 <\oren\> Oh, right, those god damn autoscrolling websited
07:31:55 <\oren\> I have boycotted sites for doing that
07:32:39 <oerjan> actually mostly which comment in a thread i was reading...
07:33:09 <oerjan> the github browser won't start again after the reboot :(
07:35:29 <\oren\> what's a github browser?
07:35:41 <\oren\> did they fork googe chrome or something?
07:36:07 <oerjan> i mean app
07:36:29 <oerjan> i assume it couldn't take windows hard killing it
07:36:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45390 * SarahNathanson * (+183) EmojiCoder is a language programmed in emojis
07:38:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45391&oldid=45390 * SarahNathanson * (+1678) added reference
07:38:41 <\oren\> oh. yeah when I used that, I had to keep reinstalling it
07:39:22 <\oren\> it gets itself into a garbled state and then I'm too lazy to figure out how to fix it
07:39:57 <oerjan> ouch :(
07:40:28 <\oren\> have you tried the command line git?
07:40:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45392&oldid=45391 * SarahNathanson * (+31) /* Commands */ spacing
07:40:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45393&oldid=45392 * SarahNathanson * (+0) /* Modifers */
07:41:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45394&oldid=45393 * SarahNathanson * (+3) /* Parameters */
07:41:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45395&oldid=45394 * SarahNathanson * (+3) /* Variable Reference */
07:41:22 <oerjan> well i hate remembering heaps of cli options
07:41:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45396&oldid=45395 * SarahNathanson * (+1) /* Comments */
07:41:35 <oerjan> at least the shell started
07:42:27 <oerjan> ouch it claims .git is not a repository :(
07:42:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45397&oldid=45396 * SarahNathanson * (+23) formatting
07:43:03 <FireFly> I think you're supposed to be outside the .git directory, within the directory that contains .git
07:43:16 <oerjan> oh wait i'm in the wrong place
07:44:18 <shachaf> FireFly: that's why i ln -s .git .git hth
07:44:27 <oerjan> what kind of shit color scheme is this
07:45:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45398&oldid=45397 * SarahNathanson * (+746) 
07:46:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45399&oldid=45398 * SarahNathanson * (-6) /* Examples */
07:46:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45400&oldid=45399 * SarahNathanson * (+52) 
07:47:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45401&oldid=45400 * SarahNathanson * (-28) 
07:48:57 <oerjan> i cannot read the important info because git insists on using dark red on dark blue
07:49:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45402&oldid=45401 * SarahNathanson * (+143) 
07:50:51 <oerjan> ok time for that reinstall
07:52:33 <\oren\> oerjan: oh right that god damn color scheme
07:59:59 <oerjan> i think i'll assume i actually hav to reboot again ...
08:05:29 <oerjan> ok there i got it wiped out...
08:11:03 <oerjan> oh right it takes stupidly long to download
08:12:39 <oerjan> hm...
08:13:06 <oerjan> let's try something else.
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08:54:31 <oerjan> isn't it funny to love programming in the abstract, yet hate actual computers.
08:55:06 <oerjan> because, murphy's law + yak shaving
08:57:41 <\oren\> yah. I like coding but I hate a lot of other people
08:57:43 <\oren\> s code
08:57:56 <oerjan> dammit, am i having disk trouble...
08:59:05 <oerjan> the surrounding windows desktop crashed...
08:59:55 <oerjan> it seems to be gradually coming back
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09:00:51 <oerjan> holy shit ...
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09:04:23 <oerjan> that screamed for yet another reboot, the desktop menu was blinking...
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14:35:34 <boily> fungot: nostril.
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14:48:44 <b_jonas> no stril
14:55:09 <boily> `? stril
14:55:10 <HackEgo> stril? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:02:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EmojiCoder]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45403&oldid=45402 * 129.161.146.231 * (+96) 
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15:11:12 <boily> `le/rn ENOSTRIL/Nose such file or directory
15:11:16 <HackEgo> Learned «enostril»
15:11:39 <boily> `rm wisdom/enostril
15:11:41 <HackEgo> No output.
15:11:51 <boily> `` echo "Nose such file or directory" >wisdom/ENOSTRIL
15:11:54 <HackEgo> No output.
15:26:57 <b_jonas> `wisdom stril
15:26:58 <HackEgo> find: `wisdom/*stril*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory
15:27:16 <b_jonas> `wisdom [sS][tT][rR][iI][lL]
15:27:17 <HackEgo> find: `wisdom/*[sS][tT][rR][iI][lL]*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory
15:27:28 <b_jonas> `wisdom STRIL
15:27:29 <HackEgo> ENOSTRIL/Nose such file or directory
15:36:55 <\oren\> mornrng
16:00:24 <\oren\> ENOLEDGE
16:00:36 <\oren\> ENOWLEDGE
16:00:37 <boily> \hellornrn\
16:05:47 <\oren\> hoily
16:13:32 <\oren\> AAAAAAA
16:14:08 <\oren\> やっぱり「量」はむりだ
16:17:21 <\oren\> that kanji has nine horizontal lines in it, and I have 16 pixels.
16:18:03 <\oren\> the white spaces between lines take up 8 pixels, so that kanji needs 17 pixels!!!?!!?
16:20:24 <int-e> \oren\: heh, http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/9lines.png
16:21:36 <\oren\> ok that is surprisingly legible
16:21:59 <\oren\> I guess I'll squeeze two of the lines together
16:25:18 <boily> do you have 童?
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16:43:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45405&oldid=45404 * Luis Mendo * (+87) /* Specification */
16:45:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45406&oldid=45405 * Luis Mendo * (+106) /* Compiler */
16:45:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45407&oldid=45406 * Luis Mendo * (-7) /* Compiler */
16:47:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45408&oldid=45407 * Luis Mendo * (-1) /* Specification */
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16:51:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45410&oldid=45409 * Luis Mendo * (+3) /* Specification */
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17:10:53 <izabera> did you know that errno must be thread local so &errno is a unique identifier for each thread?
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17:15:20 <b_jonas> izabera: yes
17:15:31 <b_jonas> izabera: although in reality it's a macro, not a thread-local variable
17:15:54 <b_jonas> becuase first class thread-local variables supported by the language (rather than by libc) are rather new technology
17:17:31 <b_jonas> a macro that usually expands to dereferencing a pointer returned by a call to a libc function, like *(__errno_location())
17:19:45 <izabera> i like learning
17:19:48 <izabera> this chan is good
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18:04:38 <Taneb> Whoa, that's interesting
18:04:47 <Taneb> By which I mean the discussion that happened just under an hour ago
18:14:23 <quintopia> Taneb: can you give me a tab character please
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18:15:36 <Taneb> Isone?
18:15:47 <Taneb> Ah
18:15:50 <int-e> looks legit
18:15:51 <Taneb> quintopia, I am afraid I cannot
18:15:56 <\oren\> ` echo -e '\t'
18:15:57 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
18:16:01 <\oren\> `` echo -e '\t'
18:16:02 <HackEgo> No output.
18:16:18 <\oren\> `` echo -e 'foo\tbar'
18:16:19 <HackEgo> foobar
18:16:22 <\oren\> FUCK
18:16:40 <zzo38> You did sent tab characters
18:17:05 <\oren\> well it isn't showing as a tab in irssi
18:17:28 <quintopia> yeah
18:17:34 <quintopia> it's a reversed I
18:17:38 <quintopia> and copies as an I
18:17:56 <Taneb> ...
18:18:01 <Taneb> Isn't I symmetrical?
18:18:46 <quintopia> color-reversed
18:18:53 <quintopia> reverse video as they say
18:18:54 <Taneb> Aaaah
18:19:29 <zzo38> In this client it shows as black on purple (normal text (in a IRC long parameter) being blue on black)
18:19:33 <quintopia> I'm prettyt sure I have a tab on my clipboard now
18:20:04 <zzo38> What operating system are you using? Depending what it is there can be better way
18:20:58 <quintopia> win10
18:21:17 <zzo38> In Linux you can use the xclip command. In Windows I expect you could go into Notepad and then push tab and copy to clipboard
18:23:29 <Taneb> Yes, that's how I got mine on Win7
18:23:35 <quintopia> yeah but I had only Notepad++ open and I have it set to give spaces instead of tabs :P
18:23:36 <int-e> izabera: hmm. "The result of attempting to indirectly access an object with thread storage duration from a thread other than the one with which the object is associated is implementation-defined" -- I guess this means that an implementation may use the same address for all errno-s. (but as far as I can tell, gcc doesn't do that)
18:24:26 <quintopia> could someone go to the aubergine article and check that there is a tab character at the end of the quine example?
18:24:52 <Taneb> None for me
18:25:00 <Taneb> HTML does weird things with spaces
18:25:21 <quintopia> dammit. i think it's stripping the tab somehow
18:25:24 <quintopia> it used to be there
18:25:31 <quintopia> once upon a time
18:26:36 <int-e> Is it still the predecessor of a quine?
18:26:54 <\oren\> maybe just put the hex dump of the quine
18:27:08 <quintopia> it prints its listing...and crashes the interpreter. with the tab at the end it halts successfully
18:28:11 <quintopia> It's the wiki software that's stripping the tab, not the browser
18:28:14 <quintopia> lemme try a thing
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18:28:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45411&oldid=45373 * Quintopia * (+1) /* Examples */
18:28:43 <quintopia> Nice
18:29:01 <quintopia> Apparently, it just blindly trim()s the submission
18:29:16 <Taneb> Yeah, there's some sort of space character on that that is either a tab or a double-width space
18:29:19 <quintopia> I need to edit the whole Examples section instead of just the quine subsection to ensure it stays
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18:30:24 <quintopia> Oh I know how to ensure no one breaks it again
18:31:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45412&oldid=45411 * Quintopia * (+99) /* Quine */
18:31:43 <quintopia> Now it's not whitespace at the end of the section, so even if the section is edited, it won't be trimmed
18:36:44 <izabera> ANOTHER attack in paris??
18:37:03 <\oren\> I added the following characters:
18:37:05 <\oren\> 双匁叔叙味呼哀哲在坑坊埋垣寺少帰広店弱
18:37:06 <\oren\> 用強朝楽歌毎毛活海父番科答算
18:37:17 <Taneb> Those are characters which I do not have
18:37:22 <\oren\> 紙細組絵線考船親角計記話語読買走近通週道遠
18:37:23 <\oren\> 重野量雲頭顔風首肺管腹膵臓脾
18:37:42 <\oren\> izabera: wait what
18:39:08 <\oren\> I don't see any news abaut an attack toady
18:41:59 <b_jonas> \oren\: nice, so you added that character with nine lines
18:42:21 <\oren\> izabera: or did you not hear about the Friday attacks until today?
18:42:27 <b_jonas> \oren\: I also see you've added the other kana repeat marks
18:42:50 <\oren\> yah
18:43:16 <\oren\> and I added the medical kanji that boily requested
18:43:25 <\oren\> 臓 was hard
18:44:15 <\oren\> oh apparently there was a flase alarm of gunshots today
18:44:23 <int-e> I find a headline about a panic in Paris today, connected to a bang, but no concrete information yet.
18:44:58 <b_jonas> \oren\: by the way, I wonder if you should make 一 and ー more easily distinguishable, because both those characters are common, so that could help proofreading Japanese text
18:47:34 <\oren\> hmm good point.
19:01:38 <b_jonas> I know they actually do look the same in some fonts, but still
19:04:38 <b_jonas> \oren\: question. how many such Hanzi do you have in the font that are not used in Japanese or are very rare in Japanese? and how do you choose those Hanzi? Have you read enough Chinese to know what characters are common, or have someone else requested them?
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19:17:59 <\oren\> b_jonas: I have sevearl that are easy to draw, and some that were requested
19:19:20 <b_jonas> I see
19:20:05 <\oren\> also in a few cases a character is in the Joyo kanji list but its radical isn't, but I drew the radical any way
19:27:19 <b_jonas> ok
19:28:44 <\oren\> 丽 is not a joyo kanji but 麗 (which I haven't drawn yet) is
19:29:16 <b_jonas> I see
19:31:35 <\oren\> on the other hand 卍卐 are just easy to draw
19:32:43 <myname> just draw a white square instead of the second kanji. nobody will ever see the difference
19:33:33 <b_jonas> \oren\: how about 儿 ? that was the one that made me ask this question, because you've added it very early
19:34:22 <\oren\> that one I happen to know is used a lot in mandarin for "erhua" after a word
19:34:34 <\oren\> also, it's easy to draw
19:34:44 <b_jonas> yes, I guess being a radical and being easy to draw has some correlation
19:35:16 <\oren\> myname: why?
19:35:33 <b_jonas> myname: you can see it in oren's font in http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
19:39:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine/aubergine.py]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45413 * Quintopia * (+3953) Created page with "This is an implementation of [[Aubergine]] in Python by [[User:Quintopia]]. There are no frills or flags to make debugging easier, though error messages are fairly robust. Int..."
19:41:43 <\oren\> oh... maybe some fonts omit 卐 because of association with the Nazis
19:42:12 <b_jonas> \oren\: or maybe the fonts just don't have all the uncommon characters
19:42:19 <\oren\> (I was unaware the nazis used one particular orientation)
19:43:41 <b_jonas> \oren\: people keep saying that they used one particular orientation, but since they used that symbol on flags, on many flags you'd see either orientation depending on the side you're watching from, so it's probably just vexillogy pedants that say this, and in practice you'd see either orientation
19:44:14 <b_jonas> Sure, maybe you'd see one orientation in official documents printed by the nazis, but it's not like people don't associate both orientations with them.
19:44:29 <b_jonas> (hmm, is there an arrow-cross hanzi too?)
19:45:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine/aubergine.py]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45414&oldid=45413 * Quintopia * (+175) Ruby impl does not allow o except in =
19:48:15 <\oren\> I see. I don't see a character for the arrow cross in the wikipedia article.
19:48:37 <zzo38> Nazi are using diagonal orientation, I think
19:49:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45415&oldid=45412 * Quintopia * (+77) /* Implementations */
19:50:15 <\oren\> zzo38: true, but I meant the orientation like which way it spins
19:51:11 <b_jonas> zzo38: diagonal orientation would look strange in a kanji
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20:02:02 <zzo38> I know it is strange in the kanji, but the diagonal orientation is not the kanji and therefore need not be included in a kanji font.
20:03:59 <\oren\> I don't think it even has a code point
20:06:42 <b_jonas> \oren\: sure it has one. unicode has all kinds of crazy emoji and symbols these days
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20:30:00 <quintopia> patashello
20:30:04 <quintopia> don't see you much here anymore
20:41:03 <zzo38> Whether or not it has a code point defined in Unicode, you can optionally include it in a font or not; if you are using Unicode encoding of the font and you include such things which aren't defined in Unicode then you will need to assign your own numbers (such as using the Unicode private use area)
20:43:22 <b_jonas> sure
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20:53:51 <\oren\> heh. 商 looks like aguy wearing a hat shouting
20:54:37 <int-e> Is there a canonical example for a language that is not regular but has the pumping property? The simplest I have so far is strings over {a,b} that contain the same number of a-s and b-s, and furthermore do not contain aaa nor bbb as a substring.
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20:59:07 * int-e is working with this "general" version of the pumping lemma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumping_lemma_for_regular_languages#General_version_of_pumping_lemma_for_regular_languages
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21:49:16 <hppavilion[1]> My λ-parser works :)
21:56:10 <FireFly> Nice
21:59:43 <hppavilion[1]> Does Combinatory Logic associate right or left?
21:59:59 <hppavilion[1]> e.g. is SKI equal to S(KI) or (SK)I?
22:00:14 <hppavilion[1]> I really hope it's the second one; that's the one my parser recognizes
22:00:33 <hppavilion[1]> FireFly: Do you know?
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22:09:26 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: usually the second one, SKI means (SK)I, like in Haskell
22:09:53 <hppavilion[1]> Ok. Good. I did NOT want to rewrite my parser xD
22:12:01 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic
22:13:12 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Yes, I know, I made most of the grunt work on that page xD
22:13:32 <hppavilion[1]> The entire list of TMaMb combinators was translated by me xD
22:13:59 <b_jonas> ok
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22:16:06 <hppavilion[1]> Oh. Think I just thought up a bug
22:16:12 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, no
22:20:11 <hppavilion[1]> I* = S(SK). What does S(SK) do, really?
22:20:34 <hppavilion[1]> And how do you have "Identity bird, once removed"?
22:24:43 <FireFly> S(SK)yz = (SK) z (y z) = S K z (y z) = K (y z) (z (y z)) = y z
22:24:53 <FireFly> = Iyz
22:25:00 <FireFly> hence S(SK) = I
22:25:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine/aubergine.py]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45416&oldid=45414 * Quintopia * (+56) Python has arbitrary-size integers? Who knew?
22:29:44 <quintopia> anyone want  a copy of dont starve together?
22:30:07 <Jafet> @check \y z -> ap (ap const) y z == y z
22:30:10 <lambdabot>  No instance for (Typeable a0) arising from a use of ‘myquickcheck’
22:30:10 <lambdabot>  In the first argument of ‘text’, namely ‘(myquickcheck (\ y z -> ap (ap cons...
22:30:35 <Jafet> @check \y z -> ap (ap const) y z == (y (z :: Int) :: Int)
22:30:38 <lambdabot>  Couldn't match type ‘Int -> a0’ with ‘Int’
22:30:38 <lambdabot>  Expected type: Int -> Int -> Int Actual type: (Int -> a0) -> Int -> Int In t...
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22:31:38 <Jafet> @check \y z -> ap (ap const) y z == (y (z :: Int -> Int) :: Int)
22:31:40 <lambdabot>  +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
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22:33:58 <Taneb> quintopia, sure, I guess
22:35:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Combinatory logic]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45417&oldid=44733 * Hppavilion1 * (+276) Alternative primitives, see also
22:36:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Combinatory logic]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45418&oldid=45417 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) /* See also */ Link fixed
22:38:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Probabilistic combinatory logic]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45419&oldid=45377 * Hppavilion1 * (+6) Minor changes
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22:52:44 <oerjan> <\oren\> ooh, I hope you have everything backed up <-- erm... maybe not too recently.
22:54:01 <oerjan> on the bright side, it looks better now, after i managed to run chkdsk.  i had to run it from an automatic recovery version because the direct one crashed.
22:54:24 <oerjan> although IE lost all cookies and the logs, not the first time...
22:55:06 <oerjan> *normal one
22:58:04 <oerjan> i'm going to give windows the benefit of the doubt that the reboots were due to a fatal error rather than an unprompted scheduling.
22:58:17 <oerjan> well, the first one.  the rest obviously were.
22:58:38 <Taneb> The other day I accidentally stayed awake until Windows suddenly decided that it was time for a SCHEDULED REBOOT
22:59:04 <oerjan> and if things are still wrong i'll try the recovery which should work now (it refused before because chkdsk wouldn't run)
22:59:26 <oerjan> Taneb: i initially thought that was what happened yesterday.
23:02:04 * int-e sighs... trying to find a copy of http://dx.doi.org/10.3233/FI-2009-0070 ...
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23:13:58 <oerjan> int-e: at least they're offering you to buy it
23:14:50 <oerjan> do you have an expenses budget you can put it on
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23:16:49 <oerjan> eek IE isn't working right :(
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23:17:50 <oerjan> huh there it worked
23:18:57 <int-e> I guess the right thing to do is to email the author.
23:23:36 <oerjan> aww IE also wiped out the visited link db
23:24:10 <oerjan> (the one thing it preserved for some reason was the url bar suggestions)
23:24:27 <oerjan> of non-permanent data, that is
23:24:35 <shachaf> good opportunity to switch browsers hth
23:25:07 <oerjan> shachaf: it's not IE's fault that something messed up part of the disk
23:25:08 <izabera> what's a bad opportunity?
23:25:21 <shachaf> naturally i'm referring to Microsoft® Edge®
23:25:33 * oerjan hits shachaf with the saucepan ===\__/
23:26:38 <oerjan> anyway i consider IE likely to be an innocent bystander in what happened.
23:26:53 <shachaf> sure
23:27:02 <shachaf> not blaming any browser
23:27:21 <oerjan> there's a messed up update waiting to be retried, i vaguely recall those have caused unwanted reboots in the past.
23:32:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Merucik]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45420&oldid=45313 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) fixed spelling of "Brainfuck"
23:33:53 <izabera> hppavilion[1]: pointless
23:34:13 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: What?
23:37:09 <izabera> the change from brainf*** 
23:38:36 <int-e> it is the preferred spelling for the wiki though, afair
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23:44:18 <oerjan> <quintopia> oerjan: how do you feel about CHIQRSX9+ being used in code golf competitions? (In particular, in the seven competitions it has a good chance of winning.) <-- "not my problem if they allow it" hth
23:46:21 <Jafet> You know, Q is unnecessary in a quine competition.
23:46:48 <oerjan> OKAY
23:46:59 <Taneb> Code golf: instantiate an object of a new subclass of the generic superclass, and also increment the accumulator twice
23:48:19 <oerjan> Jafet: it's very useful for a "print n copies of the program interspersed with Qs", though.  i think.  there may be restrictions on n.
23:48:31 <oerjan> *+competition
23:49:08 <oerjan> n=1 is trivial.
23:49:37 <oerjan> hm...
23:50:17 <oerjan> you can print square numbers of Qs...
23:51:48 <oerjan> n^2 = (i+1)*n - 1 hm i sense a problem
23:51:59 <oerjan> wait
23:52:10 <oerjan> * i^2 = (n+1)*i - 1
23:52:23 <oerjan> so not that useful.
23:58:10 <int-e> Taneb: sorry, did you specify a programming language?
23:58:23 <Taneb> int-e, no, but the hint is HQ9++
23:58:26 <int-e> fungot: help!
23:58:26 <fungot> int-e: wait... did you think of death as infinitely bad, if i happen to work out
23:59:00 <shachaf> how come no one ever told me about fractran tdnh
23:59:11 <Taneb> If fungot goes to the gym, does Pascal's Wager go the other way?
23:59:12 <fungot> Taneb: it seems prometheus objects are circular data structures
23:59:13 <int-e> Taneb: Oh. I'm not sure I ever saw that one. (I did know HQ9 and HQ9+)
23:59:20 <quintopia> oerjan: PCG will allow it as soon as a deterministic interpreter exists I think. Just have X be a TM simulator instead
23:59:34 <shachaf> that's a good language