< 1449878433 740235 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so I think theoretically a neural net should work pretty well. < 1449878442 337085 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449878444 434427 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh... < 1449878446 776977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449878458 741515 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel about reimplementing more complicated versions of state-of-the-art techniques? < 1449878475 964994 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do that, you'll be golden. Golden, I tell you. < 1449878573 925722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why would I need to do that, out of curiousity? 0.0 < 1449878583 414583 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to use pybrain xD < 1449878609 890919 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are lots of different flavors of neural nets. < 1449878622 740666 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic flavor just takes a tuple of numbers as input and spits out a tuple of numbers as output. < 1449878623 433365 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1]! < 1449878638 187159 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449878641 623498 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 0b for binary works in gcc. < 1449878687 42187 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a neural net is practically incapable of doing certain tasks, such as remembering information for any amount of time, or comprehending multiple instances of a class at once. < 1449878702 376035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Of course, I want to deal with strings in some cases, so.. < 1449878704 249370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1449878722 784778 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449878728 169585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. And the basic way to deal with strings is to use a recurrent neural net. < 1449878738 175718 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449878752 59696 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the sort of thing that Karpathy's char-rnn program implements. < 1449878784 620371 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And could I use PyBrain for that? < 1449878790 565473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes, but not in C. < 1449878799 758101 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lemme look up PyBrain. < 1449878801 766722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pybrain supports recurrent neural nets, I believe) < 1449878833 195951 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the website: "PyBrain is a modular Machine Learning Library for Python." That right away makes me think the answer is probably yes. < 1449878834 52695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm contractually obligated to bring up TensorFlow at this juncture. (Okay, not really.) < 1449878843 653827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, great. < 1449878862 36647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Let me guess. Machine learning library? < 1449878868 852581 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a language? < 1449878878 318464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps one in which a person can program? < 1449878883 520546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more or less. < 1449878887 682955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.tensorflow.org/ < 1449878927 609270 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the introduction on the site < 1449878937 775847 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immediately: Oh god, category theory is nagging me again < 1449878949 173203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty new, and also pretty generic, so it might not be quite as... how should one put it, task-oriented, than some other machine learning libraries. < 1449878969 419530 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449879038 745699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should I use it instead of pybrain? < 1449879042 763316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I need to know < 1449879090 918160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an opinion on that, because I'm pretty sure it depends on what you'll be doing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was (possibly a lot) better performance-wise, but maybe you're okay with smaller models and/or have less data. < 1449879129 398954 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449879135 194962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll use TF for this < 1449879141 988817 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks interesting. < 1449879146 139950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by that I mean the site is pretty. < 1449879166 339704 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if TF is really a feasible thing to use here. < 1449879177 207909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team Fortress. < 1449879179 486771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got more stuff on the tutorials section than I was expecting at this point in time. < 1449879186 558635 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... does TF have neural nets as a feature? < 1449879210 800157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach but neural nets are just linear algebra < 1449879221 763291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It appears so < 1449879224 244282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean. Two of the tutorials are called "Convolutional Neural Networks" and "Recurrent Neural Networks". < 1449879225 517084 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does have a whole lot of NN-related features. < 1449879238 326898 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it out with TF < 1449879240 389565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether you call them a "feature" depends on the definition. < 1449879312 825095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the general TF framework itself is not inherently specific to neural networks, but it's certainly supposed to be convenient for them (because that's what it's used for), and hopefully there will be "standard" recipes for them. < 1449879373 880907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the generality does mean using it might involve more than just specifying some inputs and outputs, yes. < 1449879415 198264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly in the form of stealing from existing examples, though.) < 1449879632 518798 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ugh, how do I install it on Windows 10? < 1449879778 626495 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : bellonder|. have I asked you your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? <-- i'm going to go out on a limb and say that portmantelloing newbies is not the best way of ensuring a response hth < 1449879834 426658 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449879840 930419 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Isn't that bender| he was talking to? < 1449879847 932148 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449879849 890141 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1449879855 945391 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen him around here before, so I don't think he was a newbie < 1449879872 530034 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did bender| even notice he was addressed, there? < 1449879881 458194 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point < 1449879912 454962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that might be a bit of much to ask, given the sort of thing it is. There's the Docker-based approach. Just as a note of caution, though, TF might really only make sense if you actually do expect to do big things. < 1449880043 996038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Docker on Windows does involve running everything in a VM, which you might not prefer either.) < 1449880097 633818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449880103 194147 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably just use PyBrain then < 1449880432 530082 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t! < 1449880441 668168 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to generate one hangul! < 1449880466 248630 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, 1 character. better than zero) < 1449881021 827079 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell bender| sorry for the porthello >_>'... < 1449881022 84903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449881035 148820 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! < 1449881079 436655 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sorry for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portello_(soft_drink) ? < 1449881153 90206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, actually looks like that does not refer to the same drink as https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portello < 1449881808 952495 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? headnote 1 < 1449881810 716736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headnotes are boring. Let's go fly kites! < 1449881848 407892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for that < 1449881853 286413 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: protip: `revert doesn't work to uncreate a file hth < 1449881876 616835 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/headnote 1 < 1449881879 794289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449881884 92509 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? headnote 1 < 1449881885 830767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :headnote 1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449881899 41052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone! What's a real-world, practical example of an inner join which returns more rows than either of its input tables? < 1449882271 456327 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449882442 443195 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449882618 589542 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firellofly. the porthello, with a hello in it. < 1449882660 511599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449882693 210901 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: any join between two tables, on a foreign key belonging to a third table < 1449882777 860108 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449882918 577745 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, on a hockey_player table, you could join it to itself on "team" to form a list of all pairs of teammates < 1449882964 680371 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that an ok example? < 1449882968 464250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449883025 784524 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449883198 801396 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449883387 612437 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DISGUSTING CHICKEN < 1449883450 457344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449886372 81447 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449886910 445833 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, 28 final consonant clusters is a lot! < 1449886957 213259 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(techinally, 27, but I'm counting "none" as one for simplicity of programming) < 1449887120 788112 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449888919 841326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: system upgrade < 1449890206 1212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449890776 66929 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449890959 880323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I organize the Crowdculator website? < 1449891017 356953 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably... one page, prefix operators. That sounds good. Second argument ignored if not filled out < 1449891026 56589 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449891846 167158 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b9b1:b658:29cb:f2f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449891979 325907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi bender| ! < 1449891988 847192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a Crowdculator! < 1449892093 173541 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've generated 28 hangul! < 1449892222 192047 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b9b1:b658:29cb:f2f3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449892347 170019 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449893053 416824 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh, ㄱ + ㅏ + 28 finals? < 1449893125 473832 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1449893308 467708 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449893480 446018 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449893490 342078 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449893890 311094 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449894174 583147 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b9b1:b658:29cb:f2f3 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1449894607 221365 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449894620 845953 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449894999 858734 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449895855 923418 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented the filename extension .dat.c for a C source file containing nothing but constant value declarations < 1449896324 425926 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each initial needs 5 sizes, each medial 2, and the finals only one < 1449896523 483107 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449896555 578135 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449896558 187218 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or maybe the finals should be squashed down wiht horizontal vowels? < 1449896699 850723 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449896768 972156 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, i'll see how it looks then decide < 1449897812 632200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1449897853 597875 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it so that when a form is submitted, it POSTs the data to /calc then replaces the content of a textarea in the form to the response of that post < 1449897858 279554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I go about that? < 1449897865 67963 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want it to change pages) < 1449897921 752187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript < 1449897937 304946 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well duh < 1449897977 894076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could ... do something to prevent the form from truly submitting, then use XMLHttpRequest < 1449897990 264178 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got everything except one part working, it seems < 1449897997 244810 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears Jquery's $.post isn't calling the function as its third argument < 1449898003 677100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting any errors in the JS console though < 1449898015 327891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I take a look? < 1449898052 623826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pastebinning now < 1449898105 764426 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://pastebin.com/jGXi3sga < 1449898122 533636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I'm doing copy-paste programming because this is currently more about the backend than the frontend < 1449898155 573738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Submitted ever get printed to the console? < 1449898200 413970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes < 1449898204 252999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you submit < 1449898214 297676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on the backend, the post is received < 1449898219 414143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's received < 1449898220 801609 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449898265 415275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's either the backend or some weird bug on the frontend < 1449898295 842598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: POST requests /can/ return responses, correct? < 1449898299 490106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small amounts < 1449898314 640897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POST requests can return data just like GET requests, I believe < 1449898319 177921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the library I was using refused to work if a post method /didn't/ return data < 1449898361 686504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, on the backend there's a line of python (which DEFINITELY gets executed because the print immediately preceeding it works) that says "return web.Response(text='Done!')" < 1449898373 403106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you probably don't need to understand aiohttp to get < 1449898385 171130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the network tab < 1449898388 292438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a response come in? < 1449898406 913923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1449898416 443372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a POST, which will have both the request and the response... or just the request if it failed < 1449898434 445424 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my issue is that the function that is the third (2th) argument to $.post isn't getting called < 1449898453 1839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't get called if there is no response < 1449898460 826974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449898470 436124 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there /should/ be a response, AFAICT < 1449898492 856854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see the POST request in the Network tab, at least? < 1449898523 239506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I do not < 1449898537 858058 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I wasn't in the network tab < 1449898550 584401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in Net under console (or whatever ctrl+shift+k's default tab is) < 1449898560 61751 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a POST < 1449898574 455141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reply? < 1449898588 372961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you're specifying it's json, I don't know what jQuery does if the result isn't json < 1449898590 334728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the post goes through < 1449898594 253866 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fav.me/d9jtxyb This fractal art thing I've been playing aroudn with in paint.net, does it resemble any more well known fractals? < 1449898599 467380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be the issue < 1449898610 696261 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it seems pretty simple to make, so i would think it would already be made at some point. < 1449898618 808988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What should I try instead of JSON? < 1449898634 235764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what's the type that the thing is returning? Just "Done!"? Then text < 1449898635 794088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the POST goes through, nothing comes back it appears < 1449898640 188067 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I believe so < 1449898674 915983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that worked < 1449898681 8355 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it didn't edit the TextArea < 1449898720 195520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So the $('#commands').html(response); line isn't doing what I expected of it < 1449898808 181399 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE we go < 1449898823 313523 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$('#commands').val(response); works < 1449899054 769702 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449899246 168253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449899267 418341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449899487 688238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost done! < 1449899495 733504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have to hook up some Neural Nets and Traineres < 1449899498 32932 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Trainers < 1449900348 216029 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449900466 116627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449900528 517289 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449900953 112753 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat are you working on? < 1449901268 802836 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :224 hangul generated! < 1449901328 231197 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449901494 387284 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449901520 402869 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449902610 624757 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449902711 547620 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449902946 653217 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449902990 468701 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449903217 879545 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/allchars.htm now has some hangul (after the kanji, there's 224 of them) < 1449903282 680302 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my lines are too rounded maybe < 1449903320 453416 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449903425 613322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to adjust the kerning of the fonts used in Firefox on Ubuntu? < 1449903505 15423 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS letter-spacing property? < 1449903575 451960 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449903621 434246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I want to modify the font metric files globally across all programs that use them (although I don't have any other program that uses them as far as I know) < 1449903641 488876 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just broke weechat by trying to paste one of those charactersूृ < 1449903701 64929 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive < 1449903706 834809 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :broke how? < 1449903773 136387 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :각갂갃간갅갆갇 < 1449903803 885965 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that break everyone's chat? < 1449903845 11636 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose you'd have to use fontforge to do that < 1449903868 364976 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an Esocalculator < 1449903875 510008 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something with weird operators and syntax < 1449903880 856334 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to go about it though < 1449903884 637752 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas? < 1449903917 423756 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow problems to be stated as stoies < 1449903925 410418 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: IMPOSSIBRY < 1449903929 608049 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IMPOSSIBRU < 1449903938 946636 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449903943 361331 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want some strange operators < 1449903948 817455 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backslash operator is definitely an option < 1449903961 180959 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably, I would have no normal operators at all < 1449903993 832901 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about "A right triangle has two right-angle sides as lengths 4 and 5. what is the triangle's area?" < 1449904028 56161 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That still seems incredibly difficult to parse. Roughly on the level of "Solving english" < 1449904039 534118 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1449904041 596196 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the \^ unary operator? \^x==x+(1/x) < 1449904097 555960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't there be a SQLite extension to edit font metrics? < 1449904102 480633 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\^5=5.2 < 1449904111 834203 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "calculate the monthy payment for a 30 year mortgage on 1 million with an interest rate of 0.5 percent" < 1449904139 11529 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think you know the difference between reasonably solvable and borderline impossible problems. < 1449904139 679583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is virtual tables support. < 1449904164 333769 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: joke's on you! that particular one works in Hound! < 1449904172 150416 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Dammit < 1449904176 359972 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1449904189 454885 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449904219 666814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should develop a simple DB software in python and document its development in a webpage < 1449904555 17860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AmigaMML:XISYNTH::TeX:METAFONT < 1449904713 890932 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/oxprvhumr/ < 1449905546 21941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Whatever message you posted it does not break my chat, although, I am using xterm. < 1449905570 405670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is weird < 1449905581 556925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the IRC client knows nothing about Unicode; it just passes the data as is) < 1449905604 556633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a form input with id "output-0.01" < 1449905616 917252 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Javascript line $('.output-0.01').val(response); < 1449905630 433779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, $('#output-0.01').val(response); < 1449905677 116262 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it gets executed. I know that response is equal to "Done!". It doesn't update the input < 1449905848 602765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Silly Emplosions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45842&oldid=45800 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+97) 10 < 1449905901 530727 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have any idea what's wrong? < 1449905928 81455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Silly Emplosions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45843&oldid=45842 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+77) 10 < 1449906023 957455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], an ? < 1449906033 349841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that requires an attribute to be changed? < 1449906037 800639 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mean a textarea < 1449906051 596564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh .val() is meant to work with too < 1449906122 981295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://pastebin.com/4nA67QVZ < 1449906156 55631 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the code that isn't working. Almost identical to the code I sent earlier, but being adjusted so multiple interpreters can be used based on the id of the form < 1449906256 515259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add a console.log($('#output-'+tn)) < 1449906265 311672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make sure it's retrieving the element properly? < 1449906282 206145 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have, and it does. < 1449906286 181784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got removed since then < 1449906304 970968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you want me to do it WITH the selector < 1449906371 523724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yep, it appears to get it correctly < 1449906379 621702 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object { length: 0, prevObject: Object, context: HTMLDocument → 127.0.0.1, selector: "#output-0.01" } < 1449906388 343633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not getting it correctly < 1449906392 169264 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1449906399 939345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :length should be 1, I think < 1449906403 194874 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1449906411 394607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the problem could be? < 1449906466 899893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :console.log(tn) < 1449906467 192416 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is another just-hack-together-some-js project where the beauty lies on the backend < 1449906468 189248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449906497 383722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tn = '0.01';, but OK < 1449906512 89884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1449906513 226650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tn == 0.01 < 1449906528 152113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, as a string) < 1449906542 560691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does $("#output-0.01") work in the console? < 1449906556 160276 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1449906559 628798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1449906562 863534 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, haven't tried it yhet < 1449906574 270572 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought you were referring to something elese < 1449906595 364279 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object { length: 0, prevObject: Object, context: HTMLDocument → 127.0.0.1, selector: "#output-0.01" } < 1449906597 367177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no < 1449906605 994570 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless length is OK at 0 < 1449906619 871718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does $("textarea") give for length? < 1449906627 198926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And $("form") < 1449906648 791859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :length: 2 < 1449906660 999370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And interestingly, it lists < 1449906703 37429 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrgh looks glitchy < 1449906722 840332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just tried adding textarea to before #output in the thing and it didn't work < 1449906724 247969 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449906752 476344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imma try changing the text area output-0.01 to a class < 1449906761 606268 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :골 < 1449906778 147383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying it locally < 1449906787 512221 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.getElementById works < 1449906806 737053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work < 1449906818 687295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing it to a class, that is < 1449906820 939174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that < 1449906849 285204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use jQuery functions on it, you'll need to wrap that call in $() < 1449906864 91452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or go native, that's what I prefer >.> < 1449906894 719332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've done native JS before. I use them pretty much interchangably when I do do JS, really it just varies by how I feel. < 1449906924 892832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yay! < 1449906928 122265 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1449906939 4301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I figured it out < 1449906944 148096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with the.... OH < 1449906955 396982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1449906955 514645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That . in the number, means it's looking for a class < 1449906962 96750 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooooooh < 1449906963 283275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT < 1449907220 678859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Now I just need to make it work for multiple forms with class="cmdwin" xD < 1449907326 895120 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o btw, I added 菜落葉薬表要覚観負貨貯費賞起路身軍転軽輪 < 1449907328 6110 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :辞農験辺返追送速連進遊運達選 < 1449907551 141805 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have any ideas? < 1449907613 192273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it working such that everything is in order EXCEPT it always puts the output one time in the same box < 1449907626 326914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could just have a fixed-position box that follows you as you scroll... < 1449907722 403726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Event handler on all forms, that when invoked, get's the id and passes the id of the form's textarea to the event handler < 1449907752 29363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess you're doing a one form many textarea thing, which is possibly not ideal, what if multiple textareas are filled in < 1449907769 467911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have no diea what you're doing < 1449908023 541948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, many forms. < 1449908062 538042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each form is the software in a different stage. The forms only appear after that part of the program has been designed and implemented. < 1449908110 591922 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the point of view of the reader < 1449908120 319585 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So next we're going to implement relational operators" < 1449908125 722827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we implement relational operators < 1449908150 242619 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's a form where you can enter commands and try it out < 1449908161 870266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we go to the next section < 1449908496 590119 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, progress can be viewed at http://206.174.0.58:81/ < 1449911135 899204 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449911163 142317 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449911314 203407 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449911363 703784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: h < 1449911466 410860 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449911653 938505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I dunno, the hangul with o in them don't look good in your font to me, because the vowel is touching the final too much. < 1449911737 136349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1449911769 426446 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449913253 886855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See your opinion of what are many of my new Magic: the Gathering cards, including now I made up a few split cards too. So far there seem not the place to post user comments, except possibly on the IRC but then it isn't all store together at once < 1449913552 428835 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449913812 404426 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449913894 508484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`f2c 75 < 1449913902 587854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: f2c: not found < 1449913909 539959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 75 < 1449913910 609644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75.00°F = 23.89°C < 1449913914 356084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1449914055 683307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you kept track of all of the recent comprehensive rules changes for Magic: the Gathering even if you do not play the game? < 1449914090 770968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried to, but it turns out that I missed some, so I'll have to re-read the bulletins < 1449914139 36136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in particular, I got very surprised that Daru Stinger had gotten errataed back a few years ago (technically that's an Oracle change, not a comp rules change) < 1449914286 278853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have all of the changes on Yawgatog too, which is what I checked; they have Oracle changes there too. It can be used when working with puzzles; I always include a rule datestamp on puzzles for this reason. Someone else told me they made a puzzle but then it stopped working because they changed the rules, but I already thought of this ahead of time, and yet it has not happened to me. < 1449914451 4171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is good reason why Daru Stinger should be changed back though, which is why it was changed back to the old version. < 1449914456 153672 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449914674 426606 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914691 443216 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914705 436166 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914720 408449 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-ztpeomxfbpbwyoqe JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914729 342194 :Froox!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914839 874720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I preferred him as a Human. The other daru are still Human. < 1449914912 295703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Making him non-human seems like a power errata, which they claim generally try to avoid unless the card would be really broken otherwise; even though they claim it was for easier playing because the reminder text on the printed card says "Soldier") < 1449914947 407834 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914975 774023 :kragniz_!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914976 481983 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vuzdxvtopjbfxzfb JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914994 661403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the problem though with the powerful of the card with amplify ability < 1449914995 406713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not only the Daru from onslaught that are Human, but the Daru Clerics from Legions. < 1449914996 341531 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915019 684293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it may be more powerful than originally intended, but it's not really powerful compared to M:tG these days. < 1449915033 922174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be fixed by printing that card with a different picture, is also some way < 1449915055 166281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449915055 687524 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 18444 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 553743 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 607629 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fiukloavikvhgpni QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 722075 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 918688 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 167839 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 380697 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 446640 :MDream!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 564810 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-pleehubajyhjraey QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 812810 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915058 67043 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915058 326792 :Todpunk!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915058 929069 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915058 990380 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915069 116050 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915085 550200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that no subtype other than "Soldier" would fit then?) < 1449915140 388150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's still called Daru, and it would be strange anyway to have a white card to which no racial subtype fits < 1449915195 464344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there one in one of the more modern sets though? (I think the set is Phyrexia?) < 1449915206 284138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one what? < 1449915243 680902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A white creature card to which no racial subtype fits. < 1449915260 339057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are, but they're rare < 1449915285 928056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the old black Nameless Race of course, which lost its subtypes at Lorwyn < 1449915296 740089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is very black < 1449915308 426905 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449915314 968727 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-smtbkinkuzywzzlr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449915334 122499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, that one now has no subtype at all, but it is an old card and is black; I meant a more modern card. < 1449915348 776488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are black zombies and skeletons, some of which have a race subtype, and some don't, in what seems to me like an inconsistent way < 1449915426 491675 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915431 876221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the bones do not form any other creature then the other one does not seem applicable, can be one thing, but that is clearly not always the case < 1449915441 728229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for ghouls, sure < 1449915492 304141 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfyoyribtsfahpql JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915498 448427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but look at Legions of Lim-Dul, who by the flavor text are corpses animated by Lim-Dul the necromancer from the bodies of the Order of the White Shield, and the Order of the White Shield is a Human Knight. < 1449915514 666152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet the Legions are not Human. < 1449915515 588388 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915516 494047 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915543 761925 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915561 553378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is the leader of the Order of the White Shield who is better known these days from Luminesce) < 1449915670 557378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another Order from some other plane to confuse the matters though < 1449915729 146179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of the Stars, who carry prominent shields on the art and flavor text. < 1449915959 566908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the Order of the Stars relevant to that though? < 1449916114 560427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really, it just confused me because it's an Order with white shields < 1449916122 304289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's a nice card < 1449916141 256288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but their shields have stars on it < 1449916159 684011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are also not a knight < 1449916200 223166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and they're on Ravnica, whereas the Order of the White Shield is apparently on Dominaria or wherever Ice Age plays < 1449916396 433244 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449916574 314355 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449917391 140691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449918133 779233 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1449918680 642251 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449920852 51237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up the calculation on the paper to figure out 1+2+4+8+...=-1 and 1+4+16+64+...=-1/3 and 1-1+1-1+1-1+...=1/2 and 1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+1/32+...=1 < 1449920918 586879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people said the first few is wrong because it is a divergent series, but the same method is in use for the convergent series too it seem like? < 1449921260 52015 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449921824 815978 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449922330 410575 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1449922366 91001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people are right; one usually relies on reordering terms in a series, which only works for absolutely convergent series... Otoh, f(x) = 1/(1-x) is the analytic continuation of f(x) = 1 + x + x^2 + ... beyond |x| < 1, so under some circumstances, you may get correct answers that way. < 1449922400 411878 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, the sum of divergent series is less defined (i.e. not as definitive as 1+1) than the sum of convergent series < 1449922431 107128 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+2+4+8+...=-1 is one way to assign the "sum" to such divergent series < 1449922982 14799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to me that in order to reorder terms it must be done like: a+b+c+d+...=(b+c+d+...)+a=(c+d+...)+a+b=(a+c+d+...)+b=b+a+c+d+... but this won't let you to reorder or regroup infinite sets of terms as the rules for addition don't do stuff like that. < 1449923124 752508 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a smart way to solve lights out? < 1449923198 262205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are boring algorithms that depend on knowing information for specific fiekd sizes < 1449923234 290847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: sure; at its heart it's a system of linear equations over Z_2. < 1449923257 917008 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting approach < 1449923488 522847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and the system is described by a band matrix (since no row (or column) depends only on decisions in the neighbouring rows (or columns), so for an n x m rectangle, rather than working with matrices of dimension nm x nm, one can quickly reduce that to n x n (or m x m, whichever is smaller). < 1449923538 902833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for humans: once you've fixed the choices for the bottom row, all other choices are forced) < 1449924079 489967 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449924669 645652 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read what to do on a 5x5 board, but what if it's a NxM < 1449924677 395787 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if i need an optimal solution < 1449925697 508145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I had some code for this, somewhere... but probably gave it a meaningful filename like "t.py" (and I don't even remember whether it was python or some other programming language)... and quite possibly lost it < 1449926024 381264 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vuzdxvtopjbfxzfb QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449926106 339019 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur JOIN :#esoteric < 1449926262 206200 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449928581 260707 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does finding the solution has to be efficient? < 1449928806 563971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic idea: start toggling from line 2 on exactly where there is light on the line above it < 1449928814 477064 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember where you toggled < 1449928838 363314 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will result in a board with only light in the lowest line < 1449928979 810109 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, for each light in the bottom row make a temporary board with only that light, drag it up the same way, you will end up with toggles you can do from up to down in the original board < 1449929003 36700 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add every toggle per position mod 2 < 1449929074 402039 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449929768 462677 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time running my washing machine on extra small, cold water, delicate cycle. < 1449929775 833640 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes weird noises. < 1449929875 18830 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449929947 974600 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing < 1449929970 443249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45844&oldid=45841 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+54) 10/* Specification */ < 1449930600 667512 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449931096 132052 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\_. < 1449931754 657977 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1449932451 76062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: just solve the linear equation, in the case the transition matrix is invertible. In the case it is only semi-invertible, you can solve the independent subspace < 1449932457 483127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449933162 785216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. < 1449933826 67994 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449934110 76973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMPRECISE CHICKEN < 1449934708 444501 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449934729 55993 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449934861 946932 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449935012 601788 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1449935660 612395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hamiltonian < 1449935669 630927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamiltonian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935676 564731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eto < 1449935677 947626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935681 609769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hari < 1449935682 876481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hari? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935693 972185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? jander < 1449935695 228064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jander? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935714 393071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Jander was killed, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935718 657633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'jander': Jander was killed, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935781 230646 :kragniz_!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu NICK :kragniz < 1449935800 7084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Jander was murdered, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935804 998850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'jander': Jander was murdered, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935865 711609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? loodun < 1449935867 23874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loodun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935871 52447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antyok < 1449935872 280687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antyok? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449936029 767257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. < 1449936033 566497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'loodun': Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. < 1449936039 245695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? loodun < 1449936041 384991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. < 1449936044 602392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antyok < 1449936045 950377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antyok? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449936102 10894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, do Hamiltonian circuits have anything to to with the Formula One series? < 1449936122 212420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and quantum mechanics, and quaternions. < 1449936134 335670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they're all named of the same brilliant mathematician < 1449936199 332271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Hari wears an identical suit every day. Or the same suit? The latter glitch would be a sign of adjustments on the Matrix. < 1449936202 669326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hari': Hari wears an identical suit every day. Or the same suit? The latter glitch would be a sign of adjustments on the Matrix. < 1449936232 855273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Eto is the ageless laughing first minister. < 1449936236 343468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'eto': Eto is the ageless laughing first minister. < 1449936310 660965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think you missed the bad joke. < 1449936509 181019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm missing a connection between William Rowan and Lewis Carl Davidson... hmm. < 1449936669 603572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, I know. < 1449936710 298840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? andrew < 1449936711 573019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449936714 128384 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449937842 854070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45845&oldid=45844 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-3343) 10/* Specification */ < 1449937932 31730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45846&oldid=45845 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-415) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938033 303456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45847&oldid=45846 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+1) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938074 806625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45848&oldid=45847 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+11) 10/* Specification */ < 1449938088 62848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45849&oldid=45848 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+9) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938093 706723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? avis < 1449938095 568931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :avis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938095 622727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lardner < 1449938096 992564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lardner? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938114 609676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? travis < 1449938115 754192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :travis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938150 167146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45850&oldid=45849 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+6) 10/* Specification */ < 1449938164 381847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45851&oldid=45850 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938181 30425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45852&oldid=45851 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938254 461965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45853&oldid=45852 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Introduction */ < 1449938272 403642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45854&oldid=45853 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-6) 10/* Specification */ < 1449938352 395846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45855&oldid=45854 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+25) 10 < 1449938641 565078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? min < 1449938643 300662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :min? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938643 354478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? max < 1449938644 663264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :max? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938646 62282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frexp < 1449938647 598211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frexp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449939287 972821 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1449939292 833609 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur QUIT :Changing host < 1449939292 887495 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449939293 158220 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1449939293 212155 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur JOIN :#esoteric < 1449939478 438833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45856&oldid=45566 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+32) 10Added entry for MATL language < 1449939584 981409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Luis Mendo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45857 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+101) 10Created page with "I have created the esolang [[MATL]] (2015), a language based on MATLAB and suitable for code golfing." < 1449939737 530836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Luis Mendo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45858&oldid=45857 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+38) 10 < 1449939832 832577 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449940263 533279 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449940279 744657 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449940486 112802 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449940794 19692 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I'm making the finals more sqiashed downward, so that the horizontal medials will fit < 1449940840 387032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: no, no, < 1449940853 248848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: instead, move the medials so they touch in the direction where they're smaller < 1449940888 746787 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1449940900 452527 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that will work < 1449940900 656718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45859&oldid=45855 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+29) 10/* Specification */ < 1449940904 425603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: that is, "o" and "yo" should be able to touch some initials, whereas "u" and "yu" should be able to touch the finals < 1449940923 384947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45860&oldid=45859 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+29) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449940951 593406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: I also tried to comment on the Deseret letters on your font: < 1449940970 333337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: the letter "s" (both upper and lower case) is mirrored from how it should be, I believe, < 1449941007 246747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: and in the fontdemo.html, you should change the line breaks so that the letters take up 4 lines instead of 5, and each corresponding lower case letter is two lines below the upper case on < 1449941042 56023 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. .. < 1449941051 415974 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I can't paste one < 1449941061 553390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: but I could be wrong. I don't like Deseret. < 1449941068 230725 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : .. < 1449941072 776675 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rerrh < 1449941116 877826 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deseret_alphabet#/media/File:Deseret_second_book.jpg <-- I think I used this amage as a reference < 1449941129 737061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -ebinmode STDOUT,"encoding(utf8)"; print "\x{1041d}" < 1449941131 220784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​𐐝 < 1449941204 675388 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing a cyrillic Н < 1449941230 249125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: that's \x{41d} < 1449941230 616516 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think irssi fucks it < 1449941234 529468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with your terminal? < 1449941238 133865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -ebinmode STDOUT,"encoding(utf8)"; print "\x{41d}" < 1449941239 18740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Н < 1449941251 655680 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1449941258 724845 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Н < 1449941259 600136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+041D CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EN] < 1449941280 421716 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copied that from the deseret ess < 1449941311 99842 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode .. < 1449941312 30492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+002E FULL STOP] [U+002E FULL STOP] < 1449941337 409664 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on input it appears to replace the surrogate pairs with dots < 1449941387 930039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deseret_capital_Es.svg , the letter s has the left end connected to the top loop, and the right end to the bottom loop < 1449941406 945793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: in your font it sort of seems like the opposite, though it's hard to tell from those few pixels < 1449941503 356966 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I'll see what I can do < 1449941653 159002 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its god damn tmux fucking up unicide < 1449941673 627388 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux uses 16 bit unicode < 1449941698 666215 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1449941726 761659 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1449941738 282590 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this bug will be solved essentially between in 10 years and never < 1449941864 233187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: use screen instead. (a recent version, not the fifteen year buggy old version that spawned the development of tmux as an alternative.) < 1449942033 342142 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942034 351859 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942034 556589 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942034 734442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942036 800420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942036 947154 :jameseb!~jameseb_@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942037 275102 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942040 4313 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia < 1449942049 166370 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942257 708889 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942355 783386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942405 837427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942936 400232 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449943115 839649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449943690 145088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is especially terrible for any kind of grid-based display, but I thought of some way similar to what someone else has suggested, for "universal terminal-based character coding", although the width of a string is now a bit more complicated than just strlen, rather each byte has a width of 1 or 0 depending on the value of that byte, therefore allowing many more single-width non-ASCII characters. < 1449943788 132003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is always a code byte followed by a bank byte, and there is no right-to-left, no complex scripts, etc. Therefore it cannot be use with Hebrew, although Japanese writing is possible. < 1449943835 639482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449943866 945470 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done with hangul jamos finally. < 1449943874 401077 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it is now time to consider ligatures... < 1449943894 290941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1449943914 201482 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449943988 933928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hello! < 1449944021 236945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :dr_ais523 < 1449944112 60219 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone who's wondering what I've been up to esolang-wise, darcs clone http://nethack4.org/media/ssapmmn (not finished yet though) < 1449944148 494483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: zzo38 has been complaining about visual artifacts he'd been seeing in the pdf version of your thesis, with some pdf viewer < 1449944197 529463 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, it's just standard pdflatex < 1449944221 445925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1449944246 80047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: The lowercase Greek alphabets (and only lowercase Greek) is slanted to the left. I am using Firefox to view it. < 1449944266 8429 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah right, lowercase Greek is known to have issues in the default LaTeX configuration < 1449944269 13354 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to fix it < 1449944794 192221 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449945769 478944 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449945916 826966 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno, I'd think you would want to do that by just adding metadata to each Unicode character specifying how many columns wide it is. < 1449945971 188729 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that potentially context-dependent? < 1449946004 849421 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an example? < 1449946040 845272 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi is a well-known one that works in English < 1449946052 201665 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's really optional < 1449946061 44450 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other languages where ligatures are much more important < 1449946094 294339 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in English, wouldn't "fi" always be two columns wide, and the ligature also two columns wide? < 1449946105 815502 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ligature's one column wide in some monospaced fonts < 1449946113 746112 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks very weird < 1449946116 173903 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where I saw it < 1449946121 696055 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been a computer game < 1449946135 123964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: lots of stupid pdfs < 1449946136 204396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in 2600. I wanted to write a postcard to them to tell them not to do that < 1449946136 965931 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pokémon red/blue has a 's ligature that's one column wide in its monospaced font) < 1449946149 339817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where some software auto-translates "fi" to that ligature at render < 1449946152 330179 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a one-wide "fi" ligature in a Homestuck album notes. < 1449946157 401204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dr < 1449946158 674101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449946171 630100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 's ligature? interesting < 1449946192 735985 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because the apostrophe looked ugly if you gave it a whole column to itself < 1449946203 256055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ligatures should be defined by font metrics instead of built-in to the software. < 1449946205 768140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I thought it would be more like to save screen space < 1449946211 772413 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be that too < 1449946213 620289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :game boy screen is small < 1449946326 858530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm 160x144 pixels, not too shabby :) < 1449946340 492456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games will put two letters on one 8x8 tile < 1449946574 711094 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449946835 573566 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449947312 577863 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net NICK :Todpunk < 1449947843 486142 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :jameseb < 1449948876 340595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45861&oldid=45278 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+958) 10created interpreter < 1449949456 514694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'fi' ligature is one column wide for me < 1449949495 241812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that widespread implementation of wcwidth that I think only uses Unicode blocks to define width, and going by that fi would be a single column I think < 1449949541 643434 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'firefly' ← for your ligature width testing purposes < 1449949605 308078 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/wcwidth.c the wcwdith implementation I meant < 1449949813 347961 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1449950273 796954 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449950542 787362 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449951035 196239 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinnertime < 1449952429 862264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :finest fluffy waffle affinity < 1449952817 338580 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode finest < 1449952818 198227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FB01 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FI] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+FB06 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE ST] < 1449952840 403517 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric KRF design and deployment. | finest fluffy waffle affinity | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1449952980 323259 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/commit/b7c5c43#diff-c37314f89a3481e2da775620e88abc72R526 < 1449952986 683075 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, it really gets hard < 1449953663 843492 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: this is a pretty font :> < 1449953692 580410 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would get rid of the "off" dots in the braille pattern glyphs < 1449954176 979393 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: fwiw, cyrillic lowercase be (U+0431 б) generally has an ascender; it looks sort of weird without one < 1449954222 679617 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ф looks neaaat < 1449954266 745836 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: oh, you are right, I'll fix that < 1449954768 878461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the URL to the font demo, again? < 1449954783 51797 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/live < 1449954841 399528 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1449954848 548536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric KRF design and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1449954877 264005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using a name is kind of cheating, but I like it better than "affinity") < 1449954928 251396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effilry's finest fluffy waffles < 1449955107 475301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's an anagram of firefly. < 1449955124 557148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo slow. < 1449955127 222209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just any anagram < 1449955127 468883 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449955130 141792 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "firefly" < 1449955131 819080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "effilry" < 1449955146 845273 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's the unligatured version though < 1449955166 795082 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*firefly: < 1449955172 632109 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair < 1449955180 663922 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "firefly" < 1449955181 454435 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there isn't an Fi ligature, at least on my compose key < 1449955182 533724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ery\64257\64258" < 1449955189 927146 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ffi though < 1449955191 346846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1449955216 752905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text . sort $ "firefly" -- not sure... worth a tryt < 1449955218 641694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : eryfifl < 1449955219 564675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t < 1449955221 132507 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eryfifl I'm guessing, but I can't be bothered to check if fi is actually before fl < 1449955233 347186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yep < 1449955249 47723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty text < 1449955250 608829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc < 1449955253 436090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nifty < 1449955652 37097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wcwidth function for my own format is easy; it is: x?x&32768?2:1:0 (Note that sequences that include control characters can have unpredictable widths though; we don't include those here.) < 1449955735 522588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you must convert between wide and multibyte formats; the multibyte encoding for 0-127 is one byte, for 256-65535 is two bytes in small-endian format; not all wide character numbers are in use though. < 1449955764 708541 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having full-width characters occupy two cells makes a lot of sense, considering single-character cells are often roughly 2:1 height/width < 1449955790 123545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one would want full-width CJK glyphs to be roughly square < 1449955811 588795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To calculate the width of a non-control multibyte string, just count all bytes in range 32-255; each of those bytes takes up one cell while bytes 0-31 take up zero cells each. < 1449955852 464946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a correspondence between the length of the encoded codepoint and the rendered width of it? < 1449955909 872163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1449955966 227176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if the first byte of a character is 128-255 then exactly one more byte follows, if 0-127 then it is only one byte long and no other byte follows. < 1449956011 829212 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I like tying the encoding and rendering like that, but it could be a nifty trick for old platforms < 1449956050 947423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is good for terminal encoding and grid-based displays. For typesetting it is bad though. < 1449956143 729117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For typesetting, the font metric file should define all stuff about moving cursor, ligature, kerning, selecting glyphs, etc; and the character encoding should not do so. < 1449956385 174335 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449956461 931959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1449958069 382204 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13147 characters so far (up from 12914 characters right after the addition of hangul syllables) < 1449958097 251764 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I'll work on more latin-like characters next week < 1449958101 703557 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, IPA < 1449958123 874815 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some basic symbols < 1449958191 657398 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449958515 854609 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449958575 428555 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449958920 734423 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449960700 375268 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm trying to look for a shorter phrase that has all of the ligatures in the topic in it < 1449960727 854301 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stiffly fix buffi fluff"! ~hardly a phrase~ < 1449960819 786444 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449960879 777418 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449960948 295176 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449961150 812094 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449961417 435785 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449961638 341937 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the wiki sending emails correctly? I've been trying to change my email address associated with my account to ais523@nethack4.org but it isn't sending the confirmation email < 1449961655 819995 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it is, it's getting lost somewhere which isn't my spam folder unless the email has a very strange from address < 1449961804 403809 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, AWIB was apparently created for a course named "DD2464 - Bigger Advanced, Individual Course in Computer Science" < 1449961826 168563 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the AWIB docs consistently use the "brainfuck has a lowercase b except at the start of a sentence" rule < 1449961878 270526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: congratulations < 1449961886 35095 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1449961894 982590 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the thesis, btw? if not, some of my other online friends beat you to it < 1449961898 340185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't end up reading your thesis on time :'( < 1449961910 995763 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, and it forms the possessive of "Müller" as "Müllers", which is correct in German < 1449961924 593753 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a suspicion that this project was an expert-level trolling attempt < 1449962015 281234 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, it strikes me that ssapmmn might be quite good at optimizing brainfuck too < 1449962019 797034 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449962031 708191 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449962041 464263 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, minsky machines are basically bignum brainfuck confined to balanced loops only < 1449962059 686218 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'd have to somehow analyze the code to convert it into balanced-loops first, which is likely nontrivial < 1449962110 827643 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've also been focusing a lot on "if you would produce a negative number, produce zero instead" arithmetic < 1449962122 761242 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a) better for implementation in most esolangs, and b) really confusing, especially if you're used to normal arithmetic < 1449962140 717640 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-1+1 is not equivalent to x, for example < 1449962254 962088 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449962315 726562 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449962322 233024 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ssapmmn worries me a little < 1449962338 233585 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it figured out how to write a modulus even without me telling it that the modulus operation existed < 1449962350 668125 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using code of the form ((x / y) * y) - x) < 1449962379 863486 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449962391 575606 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449962444 80919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such optimization if it can be worked with brainfuck can also be made to work with LLVM then it can also optimize brainfuck program compiled into a LLVM code and possibly other programs too, since some program might have a few similar features < 1449962567 534392 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well ssapmmn uses an SSA representation internally, which would be easier to target at LLVM IR than to most other languages (including C) < 1449962575 216528 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that LLVM doesn't straightforwardly have bignums < 1449962750 798151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know those thing, although possibly if modification can be done to work even without bignums < 1449962793 359077 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm planning to infer which counters don't actually need to be bignum because they have a fixed maximum < 1449962804 476792 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need some bignums to be able to do infinite storage (although often they can be replaced with stacks or tapes) < 1449962810 957112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: i take it this indicates a successful defense? < 1449962849 797462 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that was ages ago < 1449963004 181844 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proves he's not a busybody
< 1449963039 463444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what ssapmmn is < 1449963056 398568 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's what I'm currently workign on, it isn't finished yet < 1449963064 639652 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's basically a hyper-optimized minsky machine compiler < 1449963074 417465 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Portable_Minsky_Machine_Notation is what it takes as input < 1449963097 6451 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal with the output is to be able to run an Underlambda interpreter, written in PMMN, with a good level of performance < 1449963111 671126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thesis were you talking about? < 1449963136 920301 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449963145 871452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1449963148 778992 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449963152 319661 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/1/Smith15PhD.pdf < 1449963152 510887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1449963157 402835 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad connection :-( < 1449963209 4190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and what were you talking about bf and mullers? < 1449963221 949868 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Awib < 1449963226 915291 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's linked from there < 1449963255 339107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: It may be broken. I have vague recollections of it being broken earlier. < 1449963260 400257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for f(x) = exp(abs(log(x)))? < 1449963271 172721 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449963293 427266 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449963302 801219 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow, that's quite the piecewise function < 1449963314 81501 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, what, f(x) = x for x>1, and f(x) = 1/x for x<1? < 1449963323 452968 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I totally misread it? < 1449963328 527150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't think to graph it. < 1449963330 118180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many things to read while i'm away from internet < 1449963331 58802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the intent. < 1449963348 146835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(1/3) = f(3) = 3 < 1449963380 79646 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you'd name that function < 1449963381 177420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're e.g. measuring a ratio between two things but you don't care about which direction it's in. < 1449963384 467524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets make up a name < 1449963395 872482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a multiplicative analogue of abs. < 1449963398 652601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the reciprocal fixer" < 1449963488 565136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remeber a physics problem where the answer was either 19 or 1/19 depending on whether the heavier weight was on the right < 1449963559 519271 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mabs! < 1449963643 513139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to a dude who wants to invent "the most meta language ever" and seemed to count difficulty of implementing anything more usable in it as a measuring stick. he literally applauded at 3sp and figuratively cried that it would have a BCT implementation < 1449963694 615089 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: show him The Amnesiac From Minsk level 4 < 1449963711 294887 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3SP is, sadly, easier than I thought it would be < 1449963776 596263 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the esolangs.org page is now the #3 entry on duckduckgo for a search for "three star programmer" < 1449963784 693571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: There are some email messages stuck in the mail queue for the address you mention. < 1449963796 981576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them has been there for 58 hours. < 1449963797 171248 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, interesting < 1449963804 988005 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the reason they're stuck? or isn't it clear < 1449963820 967024 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my mailserver's working because I received a reply to that address to an email I sent from that address a few hours ago < 1449963832 194599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not clear from plain "mailq"; I'll see if I can get something more verbose out of it. I'm not that familiar with Exim, I'm more of a Postfix person. < 1449963835 21484 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, "The particular approach taken here was a consequence of trying to optimize a Three Star Programmer implementation ..." which was "created when, while working on another esolang, ..." < 1449963843 109226 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a tree visualization here < 1449963849 498382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hauris_ < 1449963858 52610 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf! < 1449963873 424849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooooooodl < 1449963875 170870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1449963913 66419 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: fwiw the original esolang that sparked all this off was meant to have analog memory < 1449963924 292894 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I couldn't pin the details down < 1449963933 292062 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up inventing 3SP along the way though < 1449963940 620148 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which really rekindled my esolangs interest, mostly in the minsky directoin < 1449963994 414243 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm surprised that there hasn't been much work into writing minsky machine programs < 1449964001 342106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: 2015-12-12 18:42:32 ais523@nethack4.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-44): SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: host nethack4.org [185.26.125.102]: 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found < 1449964025 719137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I think it's trying to send messages with an envelope-sender of codu@c1105889-5122.cloudatcost.com and that hostname doesn't resolve. < 1449964044 37762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a stale name in some configuration file. < 1449964046 882798 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so my server's refusing to receive messages from a server that doesn't exist < 1449964055 508391 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"codu" strongly implies a Gregor connection, normally < 1449964093 71163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that /etc/mailname is set to that. < 1449964156 296829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably used to be a working name for the host at some point in time. < 1449964187 629887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annnnnd, in fact, it's what the IP reverse-resolves to, still. < 1449964214 358780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't forward-resolve back to the IP. So I think it's a cloudatcost screw-up. < 1449964241 634462 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just don't want people sending emails < 1449964273 167971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointing the reverse DNS entry to a non-working name would be a weird way of blocking that. < 1449964294 966680 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449964306 709294 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449964315 218773 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like using -fPIE in order to prevent NetHack 4 using shared libraries < 1449964321 141884 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a workaround that someone I know actually uses < 1449964366 440283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change mailname to some actual DNS name that points at the right place, although I'm a bit worried some mail servers (and/or spam filtering rulesets) might treat that suboptimally, because it would be a different name than what the IP reverse-resolves to. < 1449964375 575098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it could hardly work less well than the current setup. < 1449964392 264363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the third hand, they may fix the current setup at some point too.) < 1449964441 80025 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could request you to send me a copy of the email it's trying to send via some other means, so that I could confirm my email; OTOH having a confirmed email is mostly pointless if the wiki can't send to it < 1449964471 153136 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does cloudatcost allow you to set the rDNS for the IPs yourself? < 1449964493 312778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. If it does, I wouldn't have access to that. < 1449964539 721800 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449964625 779894 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449964730 643178 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird having created so many languages recently that I forgot about some of them < 1449964766 934676 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kangaroo, in this case) < 1449964782 277264 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see that Three Star Programmer is catching on, though