00:01:03 <\oren\> hint- read phonetically 00:02:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:04:11 he\\oren\. 夜露死苦。 00:06:10 \oren\: it worked better once i convinced google translate it wasn't chinese 00:07:51 as for boily's, no clue. 00:09:47 よろしく should work. 00:09:49 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:10:34 -!- heroux has joined. 00:10:41 -!- mad has joined. 00:11:19 aha 00:11:56 hey 00:12:09 `relcome mad 00:12:10 ​mad: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 00:12:38 nice 00:12:50 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub for esoteric pun design and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/. 00:13:08 better keep the topic on topic 00:13:50 `? pun 00:13:51 pun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:13:55 what kind of language would you end up with if you did something like C++, but with absolutely no aliasing or side effects 00:14:13 `learn Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. 00:14:17 Learned 'pun': Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. 00:15:07 * oerjan defers to the people who actually know C++ 00:15:42 `learn Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. 00:15:44 Learned 'pun': Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. 00:15:58 help 00:16:04 what now 00:16:07 `` xxd wisdom/pun 00:16:08 0000000: 5075 6e73 2061 7265 2066 756e 2e20 4173 Puns are fun. As \ 0000010: 6b20 7368 6163 680f 6166 2061 626f 7574 k shach.af about \ 0000020: 2074 6865 6d2e 0a them.. 00:16:17 i was just applying some anti-ping 00:16:19 -!- puck1pedia has joined. 00:16:45 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:16:51 i tried to use the version that doesn't f* up your terminal 00:17:11 `? mad 00:17:12 mad? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:17:16 `? madness 00:17:16 madness lies thataway. 00:17:31 ah. I thought everyone here is mad. only mad is mad, and I'm a sane man. 00:17:32 i removed the mad entry. it was getting depressingly accurate. 00:17:34 -!- puck1pedia has changed nick to puckipedia. 00:17:37 yo 00:17:44 except for boily, of course. 00:17:51 mwah ah. 00:18:19 mad: unaliased, no side effects C++ sounds like Rust. 00:18:43 does rust have references 00:18:45 but do you count mutation as side effects? *MWAHAHAHA* 00:19:31 i don't know much about rust but the one thing i know is it has weird kinds of references 00:20:05 -!- bb010g has joined. 00:20:17 like, some people have "no side effects" for high-level execution kinds of goals 00:20:20 oerjan: mutation is a side effect only if it effects my sides hth 00:20:33 like using late evaluation functional programming 00:20:34 btw, where's kmc when you need him? 00:20:45 this is not what I'm talking about 00:21:01 I'm talking about "no side effects" for _performance_ reasons 00:21:28 so that you can make everything SIMD because pointer aliasing cannot happen at all ever 00:21:36 or do on-the-fly multithreading 00:21:45 boily: i haven't seen kmc here for years... 00:21:56 `? Alice 00:21:57 Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. 00:22:03 he got too mad, then left 00:22:21 On that note, where did Bike go? 00:22:36 basically it means references can only ever exist on the stack 00:22:56 everything else requires either a deep copy, or something like copy-on-write 00:23:00 FireFly: a recurrent mystery, with disquieting hints as to his whereabouts :( 00:23:17 aka Bike still shows up with /whois 00:23:23 they all do 00:24:14 Maybe leaving this channel is a prerequisite to doing something productive 00:24:46 FireFly: that would explain my life tdnh 00:25:10 > const "what is this functional programming you're talking about" (1 `div` 0) 00:25:12 "what is this functional programming you're talking about" 00:25:58 I've been on a marathon of std:: / STL containers recently 00:26:09 because of implementing text to phoneme 00:28:05 open source C coders with an aversion to C++ would twitch if they saw my code 00:28:26 as for "on-the-fly multithreading", even the haskell people cannot really make that work - even with a language with no mutation, it is still too hard for a computer to guess when splitting up work in parallel is worth it. 00:28:37 so you always need programmer hints. 00:29:22 hmm 00:29:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:29:40 something tells me haskell isn't too suitable for this, too 00:29:42 it can always do so _safely_, but not _efficiently_. 00:29:49 though I wouldn't really know 00:29:54 well 00:30:06 mad: Haskell isn't suitable for what? 00:30:17 on the fly being split into threads 00:30:20 Ah 00:30:23 haskell is Always Suitable (TM) 00:30:38 haskell is very good at splitting into threads when you hint properly. 00:31:17 ah 00:31:26 What is a program that is written in multiple languages called? 00:31:30 Not a polyglot 00:31:44 surely a polyglot. 00:31:50 A program that itself is written with different files in different languages that somehow communicated 00:31:55 ah. 00:31:56 s/ted/te/ 00:32:12 * oerjan thinks "chimera" but that just popped into his head 00:32:38 I think it's called "a hedgewars" 00:33:06 Last I checked Hedgewars was written in five or six languages 00:33:07 Like, if I have a browser in Node and a parser for a new browser-based language in Python, and the Node browser writes the script-to-be-parsed into a file then calls the parser which parses and then serializes its output to JSON, which /it/ then writes to a file 00:33:20 And then the JS script loads up the JSON and executes it 00:33:29 At least C++, Haskell, Lua, Pascal 00:33:54 And this is something I'm actively doing. Like, what I just described. A new language for browsers (one that'll never really be used) that gets parsed in python. 00:34:34 Though I might use an internal server (with Thoonk, perhaps) instead of a file 00:35:29 Alternatively, I might just transcribe the Node into python. That could work too. 00:36:11 what's the slowest possible language 00:36:43 Programming purely using rocks. 00:36:52 mad: NotAScript: Accepts the empty file exclusively. Does not ever terminate, or do anything at all 00:37:07 Or perhaps programming using turtles. 00:37:17 well, slowest that actually runs and eventually must terminate 00:37:17 Here's a python interpreter: 00:37:20 input() 00:37:21 while True: pass 00:37:47 mad: So not TC I assume? 00:38:05 ais523 is trying to make a fast implementation of minsky machines. moral: languages aren't slow, implementations are. 00:38:25 Well you could always define a language as taking one second longer between lines than the slowest language, ad infinitum 00:38:27 must terminate for programs that terminate 00:38:31 so slowest TC 00:38:32 oerjan: is it taking him a long time to make it? 00:38:49 mad: 00:38:54 oerjan: because that sounds like a slow implementation indeed 00:38:54 * oerjan gently bruises shachaf with the swatter -----### 00:39:02 if argv[0] == '': while True: pass 00:39:08 else: pass 00:39:17 (might have to reformat to make it work) 00:39:30 All programs except the empty file terminate. 00:39:40 The empty file runs forever doing nothing. 00:40:09 You could make it take arbitrarily long to execute any program that terminates 00:40:17 i suppose one of the esolangs where instructions only work at specific times would be intrinsically slow. 00:40:20 Averaging the speed, you either get "it takes nearly 0 time for any given program" or "it takes forever to execute any file", depending on how you "average" with infinities 00:40:38 oerjan: Sort of like latitude or whatever it's called? 00:40:45 * oerjan doesn't remember any names, or indeed if there is more than one 00:40:53 oerjan : hm 00:40:58 But timeier? 00:41:05 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:41:17 What if you specify the output of any program to be prefixed by the first N digits of some expensive-to-compute irrational number? 00:41:36 mad: Then again, one can argue that "takes 10000 years between lines" is still fast, since that's an implementation thing 00:41:56 -!- Frooxius has joined. 00:42:39 So speed of a programming language isn't really dependent on time to execute on a computer (indeed, a supercomputer does it faster than a desktop), it's more based on steps-to-complete 00:42:55 So then your question is valid again 00:43:07 I was thinking of this: all variables have a random value at start, and the only operation is to do comparatives on those random values and restart if they don't match 00:43:16 Well, it wasn't specified whether we were talking about asymptotic or concrete time 00:43:19 basically every sort would be a bogosort 00:43:34 and every algorithm would be O(N!) 00:43:46 Bogosort is just factorial though 00:43:53 There are artificial sort algorithms that are a lot slower 00:43:57 or at least one 00:44:05 Until we can remember that we can define "x" as a nop that takes one step and require that there be an arbitary number of "x"s between each instruction to even be syntactically valid 00:44:20 def nopscript(prog, nopiness): 00:44:26 I'll pastebin it, actually 00:51:37 mad: http://pastebin.com/faBnE9qg 00:51:55 Untested, probably works 00:52:21 oh man, there's a bogobogosort 00:52:30 Assuming unbounded integers, allows any nopscript-family language to be evaluated. 00:52:41 And raises an AssertionError if you fail to Nop it properly 00:53:30 mad: Yes. Yes there is. 00:54:12 mad: There's also Quantum Bogosort 00:54:43 Destroys the universe if the list isn't sorted on the first try. Only universes that survive (and thus can be observed) continue 00:57:03 Google uses quantum sort to create search results. 00:57:07 note: not predicted to work on actual quantum computers 00:58:09 Sure, they effectively commit omnicide so they can get you your porn quickly; but hey, that's google for you. 00:59:14 I prefer slow porn, withouth nudity, only two persons (I'm open to guy/guy, gal/gal, guy/gal and gal/guy), silent, lots of thinking, no contact, and a chess board between them. 01:16:22 boily: i was going to quibble, but https://www.reddit.com/r/chessporn 01:17:19 oooooooooh... you're making me blush! 01:18:43 you might want to visit before deciding to blush hth 01:19:37 (like most *porn subreddits, it's SFW) 01:21:28 -!- interest1ng has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 01:21:38 I visited, and I'm already subscribed to other SFW porn subs. 01:21:53 (mainly /r/mapporn. great content!) 01:22:49 Indeed 01:38:17 -!- ^v has joined. 01:41:06 ^hellov 01:42:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:43:38 `wisdom 01:43:39 pipe/This is not a pipe. 01:46:26 `unidecode ℞ 01:46:27 ​[U+211E PRESCRIPTION TAKE] 01:46:34 "Prescription take"? 01:46:46 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:59:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:59:56 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_prescription hth 02:00:29 <\oren\> I have that character! 02:01:01 "Literally, the Latin word recipe means simply "Take...." and medieval prescriptions invariably began with the command to "take" certain materials and compound them in specified ways." 02:01:09 Characterous \oren\ the Fontmaker. 02:02:52 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:04:43 \oren\: could you adjust the strokewidth on 灯 please? 02:05:18 also, I believe the short diagonal stroke on 斥 should be lower, and extend both ways across the vertical stroke. 02:09:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:09:56 -!- andrew has joined. 02:16:09 -!- ^v has joined. 02:17:26 <\oren\> boily: 了解 02:20:46 がんばって！ 02:21:35 -!- boily has quit (Quit: BOXED CHICKEN). 02:27:02 CHICKEN CRUELTY 02:27:35 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:40:05 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:41:46 -!- kragniz has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:44:40 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:47:03 -!- kragniz has joined. 02:55:08 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 02:58:43 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x2180 0x2188 02:58:44 ​ↀↁↂↃↄↅↆↇↈ 02:58:48 <\oren\> ARGH 02:59:25 <\oren\> stupid terminal doesn't support recent unicode 03:01:26 <\oren\> oh, wait maybe my font hasn't reloaded 03:02:18 A lot of characters that really should take up two cells only take up one 03:03:02 that's what you get when you put together kanji and latin in one character set 03:03:29 they ain't made to fit 03:04:41 kanji usually take up two cells in my experience 03:04:44 so that is not the issue 03:05:50 I mean for example ↀ takes up one cell, but is as wide as two 03:05:57 So it ends up overlapping with the next character 03:06:18 Same thing happens with all the emoji characters 03:06:18 displaying unicode on a terminal seems like asking for trouble if you ask me 03:06:36 that kind of display was never meant for this 03:06:58 がんばって！ doesn't show the problem, all the characters take two cells as expected 03:07:36 like, terminal is more or less an emulation of text mode 03:08:14 which by hardware has always been limited to 256 characters (512 with a special mode that interferes with colors) 03:08:41 and 8 or 9 pixels wide 03:09:14 stuff like combinating accents make no sense on a terminal 03:09:52 <\oren\> I fixed it by deleting the font from my system and then reintalling it 03:09:56 In the east quite a lot of hardware used 16-bit encodings for the terminals 03:10:06 like what 03:10:33 the hw I'm aware of is the pc-98 and that basically uses 1bpp 640x400 rather than text mode 03:10:47 -!- interest1ng has joined. 03:11:10 dunno for other stuff like fm towns or x68000 03:11:48 <\oren\> http://postimg.org/image/mlhnbarpz/ 03:12:46 I guess it depends on whether you treat terminal as "actually emulating an old-school terminal" (like, in the usual sennse of an emulator) or take a more lax perspective where the terminal is just a tool that provides a text-based interface of sorts 03:12:48 <\oren\> the characters that weren't displaying properly were obscure roman numerals 03:12:51 \oren\: Ah, maybe my problem is then that the characters are coming from a non-monospace font 03:13:55 firefly : you'd have to basically decide for each unicode character if it's combinating, 1-space or 2-space 03:14:23 and then your color attributes don't line up anymore and your text line doesn't have 80 chars anymore 03:14:36 mad: good thing Unicode already specifies which characters are combining 03:14:56 1-space and 2-space isn't strictly specified, but people have tried to work that out regardless 03:14:59 basically each line becomes a std::string rather than a char[80] 03:15:02 (well, in some cases it's psecified) 03:15:10 there is no limit to how long a line can be 03:15:11 Yes, it's not a buffer of bytes 03:15:32 I wouldn't say a std::string 03:15:44 there is no limit to the amount of combinating diacritics 03:15:54 there's still discrete cells, just that each cell could contain a sequence of codepoints 03:15:55 also 03:16:09 char[80] doesn't make sense anyway, assuming you're using utf8 03:16:10 utf8 characters can be up to like 6 chars 03:16:22 Less, and octets 03:16:38 Calling it "chars" is really just confusing, and C's "char" is just a historical accident 03:16:38 with a sequence of codepoints per cell then it's 03:17:02 <\oren\> vector> 03:17:07 I don't see how it would affect SGR attributes 03:17:11 you know what I meant by 'char' 03:17:27 Ugh 03:17:27 mad: Theoretically six if all of utf8's potential were used, but the encoding for the maximum codepoint is only four bytes 03:17:35 Maybe, but it's really confusing to talk aobut char as byte when you're also talking about unicode characters 03:17:42 PLY won't match 0x[0-9a-f]+ for some reason. What obvious thing am I missing? 03:17:58 (I know that that doesn't account for uppercase. That was intentional.) 03:18:07 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:18:07 There are still many microprocessors and such where a C char is 16 bytes 03:18:10 I mean 16 bits 03:18:14 true I guess 03:18:26 FreeFull: 16-byte characters. I'd like to use that charset. 03:18:27 FreeFull : word addessed DSP's? 03:18:32 <\oren\> if it's an ordinary regex then maybe you should do 0x[0-9a-f]\+ 03:18:39 mad: Yeah 03:18:52 \oren\: I want the + though, don't I? It's to match hexadecimal integers 03:18:54 anyways 03:19:15 <\oren\> in basic regexes \+ does what + does in extended regexes and vice versa 03:19:24 Really? 03:19:25 I always use extended regexes 03:19:27 <\oren\> yes 03:19:30 egrep > grep 03:19:30 I've never run into that before 03:19:32 I'll try it 03:19:34 you get {std::vector, foreground_color, background_color}[80] 03:19:48 Nope 03:20:01 I agree to don't use Unicode with the terminal 03:20:01 OH 03:20:02 <\oren\> [0-9A-Fa-f] 03:20:05 I SEE THE PROBLEM 03:20:13 What is the problem? 03:20:47 \oren\: No, I want it to match either 0-9a-f OR 0-9A-F, but not 0-9a-fA-F because mixing caps and noncaps in hex constants is stupid 03:21:04 I guess you can reasonably expect that if you're over 8 bytes for a cell, you're really messing it up on purpose 03:21:29 FreeFull: That wasn't the full regex; it starts by trying to match [0-9], THEN [01], THEN [0-3], THEN [0-7], THEN [0-9a-f], THEN [0-9A-F] 03:21:43 And it was matching on [0-9] then matching xFF as a name 03:21:46 <\oren\> and just fuck people who use combining characters amiright! 03:21:47 which means you could have each cell be a struct{unsigned char utf[8]; int foreground; int background} 03:21:52 hppavilion[1]: Ah 03:21:53 16 byte aligned 03:22:49 Yep, now it works 03:23:46 \oren\ : I'm coding text to phoneme atm for french. é is acceptable. é is not and will simply not work. 03:24:14 <\oren\> anyway I also added some more devanagari: ०१२३४५६७८९ 03:24:58 hence fuck combinating diacritics 03:26:18 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:26:32 hell, the engine uses unicode for the frontend but internally is in latin-1 because life is too short to deal with 2 byte character sequences 03:27:01 -!- jaboja has joined. 03:27:57 and binary searching a blob of text is already crazy enough even with single-byte chars 03:28:20 <\oren\> I usually use 24-bit chars 03:28:36 <\oren\> (for a given vlaue of "usually") 03:28:58 is there even a C/C++ container for that 03:29:55 <\oren\> mad: you do this: 0xffffff&*(int*)(s+i) where s is the string (a char*) and i is the index 03:30:38 <\oren\> the index must always be a multiple of 3 obviously 03:30:44 ok what do you do when it changes size 03:30:57 <\oren\> this only works on little-endian of course 03:31:27 if things keep going at the current rate it won't be too long before there's only little-endian left anyways 03:31:29 <\oren\> mad: no my point is you translate from utf-8 to utf-24 03:31:46 <\oren\> and then use utf-24 internally 03:32:12 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:32:19 With UTF-8 you can easily do search text by ordinary byte strings, as long as you do not extend it beyond 36-bits 03:32:20 but if you use utf-32 then you can use std::vector 03:32:54 My program "utftovlq" does not even support UTF-24 currently 03:33:05 <\oren\> mad: yes, but that's wasteful 03:33:28 then std::wstring and fuck the user if he wants higher plane characters 03:34:02 <\oren\> I ehould write a c++ container around utf-24 03:34:27 Even with UTF-16 you can use higher planes if it is strictly Unicode text (although 0xFFFE and 0xFFFF can now be used too) 03:34:29 I guess you could use a std::vector internally and write a front end that makes it 24 bits yes 03:35:00 zzo38 : but it throws off character counts 03:35:15 Yes it does do that 03:35:29 Depending on what you are doing it might or might not be the problem 03:35:35 it is a problem 03:35:56 because character counts are used to tell where each syllable starts and ends in the text 03:36:09 and the code that deals with that is already complex enough 03:36:40 <\oren\> hold wtf happened to the music 03:37:06 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/OUAyNCxyM2k?t=3451 03:37:49 UTF-32 seem it would be easiest to work with then, especially if you need to go beyond Unicode. However, with both UTF-8 and UTF-16 the algorithm to count characters is simple anyways, although it does require to iterate each cell to do so anyways. 03:38:33 the code already has way enough iterations already 03:39:27 Yes, I thought it might be. 03:39:37 <\oren\> well arguably any code that only handles one language should use the native encoding of that language 03:39:45 latin-1 03:40:08 or actually windows cp-1252 03:40:13 \oren\: Yes, that would be simpler to do. 03:40:46 (If you need to input/output Unicode data, external programs can be used with pipe to convert; that also allows converting even other non-Unicode encodings for the same language text) 03:40:53 which is the same thing as latin-1 but with useful chars from 0x80 to 0xa0 instead of more retarded control characters 03:41:10 pipe? there is no pipe 03:41:14 this has to run in a dll 03:41:29 <\oren\> I prefer cp437 03:41:36 Then another function can convert 03:41:51 I also like CP437 03:42:22 Wondering if anyone here has a cat implementation in ><> (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fish) 03:42:40 Do you know if vi and/or other text editor you can send the text to another program (by pipe) even without saving it to the file yet? 03:43:22 cp437 has a certain lack of accented caps 03:44:30 <\oren\> zzo38: ed can, therefore vi can 03:44:41 \oren\: ed can, therefor I am 03:44:53 I'm making a browser-based application called MetaCalc. It's for my "Programmer's Browser Toolkit", a small collection of programs I'm writing for programming 03:45:11 They're going to come with the SQ browser by default and may be available elsewhere 03:45:21 (SQ = Strange Quark) 03:45:45 <\oren\> the command is 1,$w !command 03:46:07 I'm trying to decide whether or not to put an immense amount of effort into making 5>x>1 work 03:46:15 This use can be useful for such thing as to test music with AmigaMML even without saving any files, in case someone want to do that 03:47:42 (And possibly with other programs too) 03:50:32 One of the rules of UNIX is to make every program a filter, isn't it? 03:54:29 how much music have you made with amigamml btw? 03:54:45 A few. I don't make a lot of music. 03:55:55 I am not Bach or whatever. 03:57:36 But at this time what I am working on is PCRE for SQLite. 04:00:42 only bach is bach 04:14:51 'the rules of unix' sounds a bit strong 04:14:57 unix is a way, not a set of rules 04:15:55 I suppose so. 04:18:37 I made up even a few more Magic: the Gathering cards. 04:19:34 During declare attackers step you must toss a coin; if heads put a +1/+1 counter on the enchanted creature if tails put a -1/-1 counter 04:22:15 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:28:33 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 04:36:10 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:36:29 -!- ^v has joined. 04:36:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:00:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:06:46 -!- nisstyre has joined. 05:07:18 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 05:07:18 -!- nisstyre has joined. 05:13:04 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:16:37 -!- incomprehensibly has changed nick to micahjohnston. 05:16:47 -!- micahjohnston has changed nick to incomprehensibly. 06:08:36 -!- ocharles__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 06:11:15 -!- ocharles__ has joined. 06:13:34 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:17:53 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:26:07 github and github gist are very funny with noscript 06:27:03 -!- interest1ng has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 06:30:59 -!- tjt263 has quit (Quit: sleep). 07:23:26 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:27:56 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:33:31 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:35:41 -!- mad has quit (Quit: Pics or it didn't happen). 07:35:51 -!- ^^v has joined. 07:38:48 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:38:59 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:52:30 I have now made PCRE_EXEC and PCRE_QUOTE to work. 07:53:06 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:53:23 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:56:14 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:02:50 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:03:18 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:10:55 -!- andrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:11:14 I should also need PCRE_REPLACE, and also a virtual table for iterating matches 08:11:23 -!- andrew has joined. 08:20:21 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:24:35 -!- ^^v has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:29:12 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 08:40:37 -!- sebbu has joined. 08:47:29 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Gilthonniel. 08:47:38 -!- Gilthonniel has changed nick to earenndil. 08:57:21 -!- tjt263 has joined. 08:58:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:00:59 10am sunrise 09:11:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:49:35 -!- dcentral has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:26:55 -!- TieSoul has joined. 11:51:05 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:54:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:56:33 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:57:06 -!- tjt263 has quit (Quit: sleep). 11:58:47 -!- puckipedia has joined. 12:03:42 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 12:08:08 -!- andrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:25:05 -!- mroman has joined. 12:25:22 Does anybody know of a CPU where emulators are sparse? 12:30:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 12:37:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 12:44:41 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:55:47 -!- Welo has joined. 12:57:13 -!- jaboja has joined. 13:30:07 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:35:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:12:04 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 14:36:06 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:36:28 -!- augur has joined. 14:56:15 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:59:00 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:59:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:10:50 hm. 15:10:53 what's a full circcle? 15:10:56 angle=pi? 15:10:57 or 2pi 15:10:57 hm 15:11:51 hm 15:11:52 neither 15:11:53 wtf 15:14:42 but it has to be 2pi 15:16:15 weird 15:16:49 I don't follow 15:25:31 mroman, 2pi is the angle in radians of a full circle 15:34:44 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 15:36:55 how the fuck do I get the cursor position in this library 15:37:21 I have to keep track of that myself? 15:38:19 What library is this? 15:40:06 lanterna 15:40:09 it always returns 0,0 15:41:08 hm ok 15:41:14 you can create a screen from the terminal facade 15:41:26 but the screen doesn't know that the terminal cursor changed 15:41:31 who the fuck designed this shit 15:45:37 hm 15:45:37 ok 15:45:43 I should probably use the higher level interface 15:45:43 but 15:45:53 It doesn't update cursor pos after putString 15:45:53 :( 15:51:49 well alrigiht 15:54:18 q: is mroman drunk 15:56:20 fuck no 15:56:25 I don't drink. 15:56:37 I'm neither on any prescription drug 15:56:43 although I have access to many of those 15:56:59 such as anti-psychotics, benzos, z-drugs 16:00:25 Maybe just high on mathematics 16:03:07 maybe I'm getting a somewhat hypomanic episode 16:03:33 but I'm still brainfogged from the last weeks 16:04:24 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:12:40 1tau, not 2pi. 16:13:36 (I'm lukewarm on the τ proposal.) 16:13:45 fizzie, they are equal by definition 16:14:04 Their values are equal, you mean. 16:14:10 strcmp("1tau", "2pi") != 0. 16:15:16 They are mathematically, if not lexicographically, equal. 16:16:15 Yes, but I don't think the τ proposal is really objecting to the actual value of π, or seeking to redefine it; it's strictly about what you're using to talk about it. 16:17:33 "Netflix Creates DIY Smart Socks That Pause Your Show When You Fall Asleep" 16:17:40 what... 16:18:28 How one can fall asleep while watching something is still a mistery to me anyway 16:18:45 mroman, I find it quite easy 16:19:50 I probably wouldnt even fall asleep while watching something if on zopiclone. 16:19:59 -if 16:20:08 I guess we are different people 16:20:24 Yeah. 16:20:33 I've never fallen asleep while watching TV. 16:20:44 or while listening to music. 16:21:38 I have fallen asleep while riding the Bus though. 16:24:09 I've never done that 16:24:25 I've been drowsy on buses and not with it, but never actually asleep 16:25:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:39:44 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 16:55:10 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:58:34 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:08:06 -!- hjulle has joined. 17:10:15 I'm pretty much always drowsy 17:10:21 I think. 17:10:26 I have memory recall problems 17:11:23 apparentely 17:11:29 I don't really know how exactly that is defined. 17:11:49 Do people generally really know what they got last birthday/christmas for presents? 17:11:58 *know/remember 17:13:56 Or what they ate yesterday? 17:14:26 I find it hard to beleive that people remember what the ate yesterday. 17:14:38 seeing as I'm happy if I can recall what I ate today 17:25:39 usually remembering that I ate something for lunch is good enough for me. 17:25:49 sometimes I can't even remember that. 17:31:32 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:35:58 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:38:48 -!- Welo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:39:10 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:40:11 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 17:40:36 -!- Lord_of_- has joined. 17:42:28 I remember what I ate yesterday, and the day before that 17:43:41 Yesterday, I had (in reverse order) a burrito, a pasty, and a bowl of cornflakes. 17:44:04 The day before, I had spare ribs, a pork pie, and (again) a bowl of cornflakes 17:45:12 `olist 1016 17:45:20 olist 1016: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 17:45:48 spare ribs? is this a usual wednesday for you?:p 17:45:59 `thanks shachaf 17:46:00 Thanks, shachaf. Thachaf. 17:49:05 FireFly, I was at my parents and they were both out all day so we had something easy 17:49:16 Makes sense 17:50:13 I don't see what's especially unwednesdayish about spare ribs 17:54:49 I find tau generally more useful than pi too, for example tau is the period of a trigonometric function. In some software dealing with audio (such as AmigaMML) I usually define TAU at the top of the program and it gets use a lot. 17:54:57 oh GREAT! 17:55:10 he'll reach 1024 soon enough next year if he's this fast 17:55:20 and yes, thanks. 17:55:29 If you ask me on monday what I did over the weekend there's a 25% chance I have no fucking clue 17:58:15 but 17:58:21 I'm having it checked out 17:58:32 Today they drew some blood 17:59:40 but other than my blood being chronically too thick I doubt there's something visible in it 18:00:52 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: bye.). 18:05:53 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 18:19:00 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:36:21 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:38:55 -!- earenndil has quit (Quit: Let's jump!). 18:40:49 -!- ^v has joined. 18:43:45 -!- Elronnd has joined. 18:47:25 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:03:25 -!- dcentral has joined. 19:06:45 Is there anyone else on here by now that would like my Magic: the Puzzling that I have made up? 19:07:26 Did you post a link to it? 19:08:32 -!- triggerwarning has joined. 19:08:41 http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.1 up to puzzle.5 19:08:46 (There are five so far) 19:09:03 -!- triggerwarning has quit (Changing host). 19:09:03 -!- triggerwarning has joined. 19:09:35 (You can see Yawgatog if you need the rule and Oracle changes, although as far as I know this is not actually necessary in these cases right now) 19:10:42 The fifth puzzle is a team game. 19:11:32 -!- triggerwarning has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:12:11 [wiki] [[Talk:D1ffe7e45e]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45915 * Martin Büttner * (+262) Created page with "It actually seems quite trivial to translate BF to D1ffe7e45e, so I don't think the Computational Class section needs to be so careful in its statement. --~~~~" 19:27:10 -!- shikhin has changed nick to Shikhin. 19:27:18 -!- Shikhin has changed nick to shikhin. 19:33:00 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:37:35 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:16:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:16:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:16:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 20:16:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:24:06 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:29:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 20:39:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:40:42 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:50:44 * Melvar gets annoyed that one cannot call a linker script with dlopen(). 20:53:19 -!- triggerwarning has joined. 20:53:51 -!- triggerwarning has quit (Changing host). 20:53:51 -!- triggerwarning has joined. 20:55:05 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:55:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:56:47 Because I need a handle to libc, but libc.so is a linker script. So I used to work around that by asking for libm, which also worked to access libc symbols, but now libm.so has also been made a linker script. 20:59:29 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 21:03:22 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:42:18 -!- Patashu has joined. 22:16:03 Melvar: What about libc.so.6 ? 22:25:52 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 22:29:28 FreeFull: The processing is such that if I want a system library it must end with “.so”. 22:29:55 Weird 22:30:45 Specifically, “.so” is added to what I give it. 22:31:11 “it” being the program doing the dlopening at my direction. 22:31:14 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:31:25 Namely Idris. 22:31:52 I have a libc-2.22.so but that filename might vary between systems 22:33:34 I should probably add logic to use RTLD_DEFAULT so I can just skip trying to load libc, but then is there a windows equivalent of that? 22:46:10 -!- TieSoul has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:46:24 FreeFull: Since my code in question is not portable and only used by me, I’ll go with the hardcoded version for now, thanks for pointing it out. 22:48:22 -!- idris-bot has joined. 22:48:28 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:48:34 > idrisVersion 22:48:35 Not in scope: ‘idrisVersion’ 22:48:38 ( idrisVersion 22:48:38 "0.9.20.2-git:7625799" : String 22:48:54 Yaaaay finally. -ω- 23:11:11 -!- interest1ng has joined. 23:11:55 -!- dcentral has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:12:50 -!- triggerwarning has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:15:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:19:29 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:24:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:25:24 -!- dcentral has joined. 23:35:20 Apples to Apples, Dust to Dust 23:36:54 another one bites the apple