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00:02:08 <lambdabot> boily said 5h 57m 13s ago: where are my kittens?
00:02:08 <lambdabot> boily said 5h 56m 58s ago: (I meant to @ask, not @tell)
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00:05:08 <hppavilion[1]> I just went on a Recruiting mission on the xkcd Fora
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00:08:27 <boily> imta there are multiple xkcd forumeses?
00:09:12 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Yes, there is more than one forum within the xkcd superforum
00:10:23 <hppavilion[1]> What novel and convoluted concept could I use instead of classes in an OO language?
00:12:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[User:LegionMammal978/Interpreters/Kangaroo]]": Author request: content was: "<pre> using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.IO; using System.Text.RegularExpressions; /* Error codes: * 0 - success * 1 ..." (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/LegionMammal978|LegionMamm
00:13:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Oerjan]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46066&oldid=46061 * Oerjan * (+90) /* Deletion Request */
00:14:42 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: well you cannot use lectures, because INTERCAL already did.
00:14:44 <ais523> hmm, I wonder why the author didn't want the kangaroo interp online?
00:15:01 <oerjan> he said the idea didn't work
00:15:29 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: try castes hth
00:16:30 <oerjan> my job is to throw out awful puns
00:16:50 <oerjan> wait is "throw out" the right p.v. here
00:17:39 <oerjan> almost a self-antonym, that one
00:18:57 <oerjan> self-antonym has many synonyms, i see. i think the winner is enantiodrome.
00:19:56 <ais523> "transparent" is a good one ("you can see the inner workings" vs. "you don't have to care about the inner workings")
00:21:17 <oerjan> "Some pairs of contronyms are true homographs, i.e., distinct words with different etymology which happen to have the same form. For instance cleave "separate" is from Old English clēofan, while cleave "adhere" is from Old English clifian, which was pronounced differently."
00:21:34 <hppavilion[1]> Perhaps groups, where you specify methods and elements?
00:21:46 <oerjan> i think those must be cognate to no:klyve and no:klebe
00:22:07 <ais523> oerjan: where is that a quote from?
00:22:18 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym
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01:47:26 <HackEgo> superexponential growth/Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!
01:47:37 <fungot> boily: never knew that adams has played guitar on a pink floyd gig...
01:47:46 <boily> fungot: me neither.
01:47:46 <fungot> boily: ( which is absolutely no c whatsoever. even most of the topic, i came across an asm dump of metroid ( nes) ( a
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02:02:07 <fungot> FireFly: i have no real idea what " the scheme programming language, yes...
02:02:22 <FireFly> fungot: I think it delimits string literals
02:02:22 <fungot> FireFly: that's easy in basic: 10 print " every problem looks like a minor third harmonic?
02:02:45 <fungot> FireFly: hmm would scheme run good on a stack, what's the action going to pay 80 for a fucking long time alright
02:03:14 <FireFly> fungot: are we talking like 50s computers here?
02:03:14 <fungot> FireFly: llc is you got a quote of how that can be easily modified, the ability to solve problems you need to
02:03:27 <hppavilion[1]> `le/rn ==/Did you know you can define == recursively!?
02:29:08 <Sgeo> Is it wrong that I think Plumpy'Nut sounds delicious?
02:29:21 <Sgeo> I mean, it's for use for famine emergencies, not just because it sounds good
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02:45:27 <Phantom_Hoover> "Plumpy'Nut is said to be "surprisingly tasty"." i mean even wikipedia thinks it's perfectly normal
02:50:00 <pikhq> Sgeo: Why, exactly, do you have Plumpy'Nut?
02:50:13 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to figure out a more logical way to write surreal numbers based on additional decimal places
02:50:37 <Sgeo> pikhq, I don't
02:50:42 <oerjan> pikhq: he stole it from starving orphans hth
02:50:43 <Phantom_Hoover> you can't write surreal numbers with additional decimal places
02:50:59 <Phantom_Hoover> they are uncountable and cannot be represented by any finite notation
02:51:16 <hppavilion[1]> My current idea is this: the real number is written normally, except with ; instead of . for the decimal (so you can identify the centre)
02:51:19 <coppro> oerjan: if I ever come to finland, how do I avoid you? asking for a friend
02:51:33 <Phantom_Hoover> they are a proper class and cannot be represented by anything 'small'
02:51:37 <oerjan> coppro: that's easy since i'm in norway hth
02:51:54 <oerjan> i've never even been to finland
02:52:00 <Phantom_Hoover> the scheme you are describing will give you some variation on the bog-standard extended reals
02:52:36 <Sgeo> "Sign up for the Plumpy’Nut Challenge. They will send you a box of Plumpy’Nut packets. You must agree to only eat Plumpy’Nut for a few days to a week."
02:52:59 <coppro> wait, I've been to norway!
02:53:22 <hppavilion[1]> Each . after the decimal place is a separator so each the subsequent number is in the region of to ε**c, where c is the . count up to that point (inclusive)
02:54:45 <oerjan> coppro: were you in trondheim? could have been a close call.
02:55:29 <hppavilion[1]> .. instead means tetration, so 31;41..59 is equal to 31.41+59ε**ε
02:56:35 * oerjan is not entirely clear on whether surreal numbers have a decimal expansion even if you allow Omega digits
02:56:53 <oerjan> (Omega = class of all ordinals)
02:57:28 <oerjan> as in, (1) would they have a decimal expansion (2) would the digits be well ordered?
02:57:29 <hppavilion[1]> So 3.14 is actually equal to 3ω+14 in my representation, not to 3.14 (as a real number)
02:58:10 <hppavilion[1]> Now, there are some flaws I can think of with this, but it's better to help people understand the surreals than {|}
02:58:43 <hppavilion[1]> sqrt(ω) isn't equal to sqrt(1)*ω=1*ω=ω, as far as I know. Then again, it might be.
02:59:31 <oerjan> i never really learned beyond multiplication
02:59:49 <oerjan> i just know you can supposedly define lots of stuff
03:00:43 <oerjan> also, i'm not sure i ever learned multiplication properly. i've probably forgotten it again. addition and subtraction are easy though.
03:01:02 <coppro> this was like 6 years ago though
03:02:25 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh, and of course, you fill in empty spaces with 0
03:03:28 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i'm not sure you're defining a notation for surreals and not just ordinals
03:03:58 <oerjan> looks pretty similar to cantor normal form for ordinals
03:04:10 <hppavilion[1]> The surreals are BIG, so I must be missing something xD
03:04:25 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Really? Yay! I made up something that a famous mathematician did something similar to!
03:04:53 <oerjan> not your actual notation.
03:04:59 <hppavilion[1]> Therefor I think vaguely like a certain famous mathematician!
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03:05:23 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Ah, that was me showing what it means. Whether that's equivalent to CNF is a matter of what I'm missing.
03:05:38 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I got the infinitessimals too, did you notice?
03:05:56 <oerjan> technically that should be ω**2+ω**0*14 because ordinals are not commutative
03:06:06 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: ah no, then that's a bit more
03:08:48 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: OK, so I got reals, numbers multiplied by infinitesimals, the same with powers of infinitesimals, and generally with any infinitesimal to an arbitrary power
03:08:52 <oerjan> huh that last thing messed up a character in irssi
03:09:09 <oerjan> the surreals are commutative, they're essentially a field
03:09:22 <hppavilion[1]> You can also do infinitesimals to a natural power to a- ah, that's something I'm missing
03:10:16 <hppavilion[1]> But I don't think you can do, for example, ε**(ε**2)
03:12:27 <hppavilion[1]> But I think I AM missing ε**n where n is not an integer
03:13:09 <hppavilion[1]> But I got a good chunk of the surreals, so my notation is pretty good
03:13:35 <hppavilion[1]> I doubt it's possible to have a finite notation that can do ALL of the surreals, even with ellipses.
03:20:46 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: You can't have finite notation for all the reals
03:20:51 <FreeFull> And surreals subsume the reals
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03:51:48 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz9Irijq7ps <-- holy shit how did they even
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03:55:35 <\oren\> they even do the camera angles the same...
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05:19:01 <hppavilion[1]> a+bi# = a+bj, a+bj# = a+bi (i**2=-1, j**2=1, j != 1)
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05:27:50 <izabera> also shouldn't that be a+bk**2 = a ?
05:28:07 <izabera> anyway if such k exist, that's not a domain
05:38:34 <hppavilion[1]> I'm rapidly switching tasks, so I sometimes type code that I'm frequently using into chat for something entirely unrelated
05:39:11 <hppavilion[1]> ("What was William Shakespear's last work?" "The coproduct of the category of categories of sets of numbers")
05:39:28 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: a+bk is the dual numbers; k is usually written epsilon, but I prefer k because it's typable
05:40:40 <hppavilion[1]> What is the name of the type of the algebra of numbers ai+bj? It's apparently not a Real 2D Algebra
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06:35:03 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: How about this: i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = ijk = -1
06:35:40 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Yes, yes, you're very clever with the Quaternions or similar hypercomplex number
06:39:26 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: It's literally just the quaternions =P
06:40:04 <hppavilion[1]> Or more accurately, I knew it was at least similar (e.g. Tessarines or Coquaternions or Split-Biquaternions)
06:41:03 <\oren\> hold on are you telling me some of the accented letters aren't even pronounced any diferent from the ones without an accent?!@!?
06:43:18 <\oren\> eh, just reading about accents in general
06:43:56 <pikhq> I bet you hate the (rare) diaresis.
06:44:05 <\oren\> apparently à is the same as à
06:44:08 <\oren\> apparently à is the same as a
06:44:30 <pikhq> Hence why "coöperate" and "cooperate" are pronounced the same.
06:44:51 <FreeFull> The Polish ó and u are pronounced the same
06:45:33 <pikhq> Lemme guess, which you use is based on whether it's an "o" being modified because grammar or not?
06:45:44 <izabera> same for ô and u in my region's dialect
06:46:45 <\oren\> pikhq: that's true for ç in French apparently
06:51:23 <\oren\> holy crap http://www.ortograf.net/
06:57:03 <hppavilion[1]> I'm embedding a secondary CAS in my CAS to make my CAS reduction easier to CAS
06:57:53 <\oren\> nah nah your doing it wrong
06:58:33 <\oren\> Yo I herd yo liek CAS so I put a CAS in yo CAS so u can CAS while you CAS
07:04:54 <pikhq> Fair enough, then.
07:21:37 <FreeFull> The Polish alphabet has 32 letters
07:21:39 <\oren\> what sort of features would be expected of an esoteric human language
07:22:14 <FreeFull> \oren\: Any word can be spoken backwards
07:23:58 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: The subCAS is for the reduce() method of operations objects, which is basically programmed to do some simple reductions to make operations more efficient
07:25:00 <hppavilion[1]> The subCAS isn't a fully-fledged CAS, it's just a little object group with operations defined
07:28:03 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: The ability to discuss mathematics fluently and unambiguously
07:28:35 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Were you the one who rejected my proposal to allow esoconlangs on the wiki?
07:36:59 <myname> also, is there some other youtube channel like xidnaf?
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09:31:11 <hppavilion[1]> "So mathematicians would say that you, Ernestine, and I are not totally ordered under winning at Ping-Pong."
09:37:09 <hppavilion[1]> That does not sound like something I would hear a mathematicians cay
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10:05:30 <HackEgo> U+22AE DOES NOT FORCE \ UTF-8: e2 8a ae UTF-16BE: 22ae Decimal: ⊮ \ ⊮ \ Category: Sm (Symbol, Math) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ Decomposition: 22A9 0338
10:06:59 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Was your mind.state == blown when you first learned that?
10:08:20 <\oren\> mind.setState(Mind::State_Blown);
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14:31:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[V--]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46067&oldid=12182 * LegionMammal978 * (+13) /* External resources */
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15:15:13 <Sgeo> Happy 2017! https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/comments/3yzt84/if_yesterday_was_2015_and_today_is_2016_is/
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15:46:47 <HackEgo> welp/welp is humid kelp, and not at all related to toes, their hairs, and generic requests for TWHes and TDHes.
15:55:41 <HackEgo> csv/CSV猫stands猫for猫Cat猫Separated猫Values
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16:05:53 <Taneb> Exam nervousness ahoy
16:07:02 <boily> Tanelle. you are suffering an exam on which subject today?
16:07:44 <Taneb> Well, I don't have any until Monday
16:07:47 <Taneb> Then I have 5 in four days
16:07:53 <Taneb> The first is formal methods
16:08:34 <Taneb> Then Algebraic Number Theory, then Eodermdrome, then Linear Optimization and Game Theory, then information theory
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16:09:56 <boily> one of these is not like the other.
16:10:52 <Taneb> https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/modules/grat.html
16:12:14 <boily> Authentication Required.
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16:13:39 <Taneb> The aims of this module are to:
16:13:42 <Taneb> To introduce the foundations of computing by graph transformation
16:13:45 <Taneb> To introduce the principles of rule-based programming in domains of graph-like structures
16:13:59 <Taneb> As a result of studying this module students should: (1) be familiar with the main concepts and results of graph transformation; (2) be able to recognise problems in various areas of computer science as suitable for applying graph transformation; (3) be able to write graph programs for solving problems in graph-like domains and reason about program correctness and complexity.
16:17:37 <Taneb> agawa, what about a profiler
16:18:01 <agawa> said if is it a profiler
16:19:33 <Taneb> I am not sure I understand what you mean
16:21:47 <agawa> thing that we are access-denied
16:22:08 <Taneb> It's the module description
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17:07:21 <HackEgo> diet/People go on diets to loose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
17:13:38 <tswett> `run sed -i '' 's/loose/lose' wisdom/diet
17:13:39 <HackEgo> sed: can't read s/loose/lose: No such file or directory
17:13:54 <tswett> `run sed -i 's/loose/lose' wisdom/diet
17:13:55 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 12: unterminated `s' command
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17:14:03 <tswett> `run sed -i 's/loose/lose/' wisdom/diet
17:14:09 <HackEgo> People go on diets to lose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
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17:18:34 <tswett> `run sed -i 's/lose/loose/' wisdom/diet
17:18:41 <HackEgo> People go on diets to loose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
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17:56:18 <HackEgo> tswett tswett int-e ais523 oerjan elliott oerjan FireFly
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17:59:06 <ais523> the "ais523" is I think from when I wrote a script to delete random wisdom entries, only it screwed up and did something unintentional
17:59:20 <ais523> I'm not entirely sure what, but IIRC the next few names are from people trying to fix it
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18:09:42 <FireFly> The "huh" was mostly because I don't remember what it's supposed to reference, but IIRC it's a verbatim quote from somewhere
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22:12:52 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x232d 0x2335
22:18:59 <\oren\> I'm trying to fill in any remaining gaps in the blocks I have completed
22:23:06 <HackEgo> Thanks, new year. Thew year.
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22:38:48 <tswett> `thanks Mark Rosewater
22:38:49 <HackEgo> Thanks, Mark Rosewater. Thark Rosewater.
22:39:15 <tswett> `? pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism
22:39:17 <HackEgo> pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:39:23 <tswett> `thanks pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism
22:39:24 <HackEgo> Thanks, pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism. Theudopseudohypoparathyroidism.
22:39:36 <tswett> Interesting, that one.
22:39:52 <HackEgo> Thanks, iloquallc. Thiloquallc.
22:40:00 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -CSDA \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_.";
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22:42:20 <HackEgo> Thanks, Schrödinger. Thinger.
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22:44:58 <tswett> `thanks rødgrød med fløde
22:45:00 <HackEgo> Thanks, rødgrød med fløde. Thed fløde.
22:45:15 <int-e> ö is an interesting consonant...
22:46:50 <tswett> `thanks KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY.
22:46:51 <HackEgo> Thanks, KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY.. ThILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY..
22:47:54 <tswett> `run thanks $(loudly Steve)
22:48:30 <tswett> `run loudly $(thanks $(loudly Steve))
22:48:41 <tswett> `run loudly $(loudly $(thanks $(loudly Steve)))
22:48:43 <HackEgo> 04,09T09,04h04,09a09,04n04,09k09,04s04,09,
22:49:48 <HackEgo> cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
22:50:38 <int-e> `` echo ß | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
22:50:50 <int-e> `` echo ä | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
22:51:18 <HackEgo> LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ
22:54:13 <HackEgo> LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL=
22:54:15 <HackEgo> bash: locaqle: command not found
22:54:17 <HackEgo> LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ
22:58:39 <hppavilion[1]> I'm designing a programming language for the xkcd phone
22:58:48 <hppavilion[1]> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=113269
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23:05:20 <\oren\> `` echo lo | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
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23:14:42 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp)
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23:21:43 <Taneb> Is a UTM that only runs when its being watched Turing complete?
23:23:14 <oerjan> would seem to require a watcher with unbounded lifespan hth
23:30:47 <b_jonas> it's still Turing complete
23:37:12 <\oren\> just pass down a tradition of watching the UTM in your family
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23:43:24 <b_jonas> Only the observable part of the behavior matters.
23:47:53 <fizzie> "Be officially informed that we have arrested a diplomat [..] with your consignment that contains huge amount of money [..] The diplomat claims that you are DEATH, therefore your consignment is being diverted [..]"
23:49:51 <oerjan> are you DESTROYER OF WORLDS?
23:50:46 <fizzie> Is that the sort of thing you know you are if you are?
23:58:29 <b_jonas> fungot, would you know that you are destroyer of worlds if you were?
23:58:29 <fungot> b_jonas: heh to just pop something from the cvs, and irc protocols. distributing loadable modules and drivers as source and still having them for normal grouping)
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