00:06:10 Why does the ESOSC have A1, A2, then A5? Were A3 and A4 obsoleted or something? 00:31:50 @tell int-e (that's one of my favorite typos) <-- i think you're missing at least one extra "IT" for it to be logically punny rather than just a typo hth 00:31:50 Consider it noted. 00:35:00 `wisdom select 00:35:01 select/select is a very versatile construct: it waits for events, retrieves data from tables, creates a list from elements of an input list that satisfy a condition, a dropdown list element, an event for when selection changes, branches between multiple arms, conditional between two expressions, prints a text-based menu prompt in a loop, and more. 00:38:05 [wiki] [[Talk:Lazy evaluation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46163&oldid=46160 * Oerjan * (+52) vsp, unsigned 01:38:39 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 01:51:23 `wisdom the fabric of reality itself 01:51:28 ​/cat: : No such file or directory 01:51:35 `? the fabric of reality itself 01:51:36 the fabric of reality itself? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:51:46 I have no joke for that 01:52:58 ooh DMM linked to our wiki in today's iwc rerun annotation 01:54:16 `le/rn fabric of reality/The fabric of reality is *not* plaid corduroy, no matter what evil tongues say. 01:54:20 Learned «fabric of reality» 01:55:49 https://arin.ga/uCKWIW/raw little help please? x.x 01:56:22 i don't understand where's the address of the stringconcat function 01:56:41 [wiki] [[Curry-Howard Correspondence/Reference]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46164 * Hppavilion1 * (+358) Created Page 01:59:33 hppavilion[1], probably write some content for the page other than a declaration of its existence before creating it 01:59:58 Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, I created it so I wouldn't accidentally close it 02:00:06 Phantom_Hoover: e.g. if my computer restarted 02:00:15 -!- p34k has quit. 02:00:18 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 02:00:50 ok, second concern: having subpages of a page that doesn't exist is Wrong and Bad 02:01:00 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, yes it is. 02:01:09 izabera: maybe those zeros are meant to be filled in by the linker? 02:01:13 * hppavilion[1] is a badass who doesn't follow anybody's rules 02:01:43 B| 02:02:14 * oerjan is guessing wildly as he doesn't really know assembly 02:04:06 hppavilion[1]: you'd be in so much trouble if i hadn't given up catching to my esolangs.org backlog 02:04:15 *catching up to 02:04:19 izabera: that looks like an unresolved external reference maybe? 02:05:19 not sure..... 02:05:27 my assembly game is weak 02:05:34 * oerjan thinks mauris may be vaguely saying the same thing as he is 02:05:56 oops, that is what i meant, yeah 02:06:09 i thought it meant to jump to address +0 02:06:16 which is line 1c4 02:06:41 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:10:04 izabera: is that a decompiled .o file, and is stringconcat from some library? 02:10:04 *disassembled 02:10:04 yes to the first question, and that function is in the same file 02:10:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:10:04 oh the same file... 02:10:04 izabera: oh. in that case, i think it's tail call optimization: stringconcat _is_ the following line. 02:10:04 or something like that. 02:10:09 or well, proper TCO shouldn't leave in a call at all, should it? but i don't know the mnemonics. 02:10:32 (when the call goes to the next line) 02:11:29 izabera: ok, put differently, when stringconcat is on the next instruction, then the relative address to it _is_ just zeros. 02:12:09 izabera: If you got that thing out of disassembling a .o file, those generally have 0s in places where there are relocations. 02:12:36 * oerjan doubts himself again. 02:13:06 fizzie: but why would there be a relocation within the same file... 02:14:03 indeed all the call's in my file are e8 00 00 00 00 02:14:17 oerjan: Well, I didn't read that part. But it's usually trivial to find out, especially if it's from objdump -- just ask it to produce the relocations. 02:14:32 izabera: objdump -dr. 02:14:57 thank you :o 02:15:09 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 02:15:26 1bf: e8 00 00 00 00 callq 1c4 02:15:28 1c0: R_X86_64_PC32 stringconcat-0x4 02:15:30 1c4: 48 89 d8 mov %rbx,%rax 02:16:04 Yes, so: at address 1c0, put in the 32-bit PC-relative displacement to the symbol stringconcat-4. 02:16:33 what are some good resources to learn more about this? 02:16:44 The -4 is of course because the operand of call is measured as a relative offset from the instruction following the call, while the relocation is in terms of the location of the relocation. 02:19:26 Hrm. I've just generally puzzled these things out. There was a relatively good article somewhere mostly about how dynamic libraries on Linux-y systems conventionally work, covering some of this stuff, but possibly not exactly what you'd be after. 02:20:58 As for why it's a relocation when the function is in the same file, I think the semantics require you must be able to override the symbol resolution at link time when it's a global symbol. 02:21:36 Compare how the calls to f() and g() are handled differently in h() here: http://sprunge.us/TPMc 02:22:47 i see 02:23:00 because f is static? 02:24:17 Yes. Well, or arguably because of what f being static mean to the symbol binding. 02:24:26 $ readelf -s tmp.o 02:24:31 5: 0000000000000000 11 FUNC LOCAL DEFAULT 1 f 02:24:33 9: 000000000000000b 11 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT 1 g 02:25:03 how does a jit do this? 02:26:30 That's perhaps a bit vague. But in general I would expect a JIT to know exactly where the functions it wants to call currently happen to be, and therefore be able to generate code with the proper addresses. 02:28:29 (The functions, and the code it's generating.) 02:29:08 thank you 02:29:29 If you end up needing to do symbol lookups by name in a program written in C on a POSIXy system, there's the dlsym function from . 02:30:07 but that looks up the address of a library function 02:30:23 It can also look up the address of a function in your program. 02:30:43 Or any symbol, not just a function. 02:31:11 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 02:31:35 Of course that's only relevant if you want to go from a string to the symbol. 02:36:48 so once you gets the address, you replace e8 00 00 00 00 with e8 ? 02:37:00 and that's it? 02:37:04 * izabera tries 02:37:49 Well, the displacement. 02:38:34 The difference between the actual address and the address of the byte immediately after the last 00. 02:41:41 (And you'll have to do something else than a near call -- an e8 -- if your displacement doesn't fit in a signed 32-bit integer, which is quite possible if the target is in a library somewhere, and the generated code is in some random page from mmap.) 02:42:30 s/near/relative/ maybe. 02:43:49 this shit is too hard -.- 02:46:26 That's from the instruction set reference. 02:47:01 "E8 cd CALL rel32 Call near, relative, displacement relative to next instruction. 32-bit displacement sign extended to 64-bits in 64-bit mode." 02:52:03 the reference is that 1500 pages pdf on the intel website? 02:52:19 My copy is 4161 pages. 02:52:39 I guess the volume-2-only might be about that size. 02:52:44 But, I mean, it's got an index. 02:53:10 You don't have to read through AAA, AAD, AAM, AAS etc. in order to get to CALL. 02:53:54 ok, so call far is 9a 02:53:57 found it 02:53:59 thanks 02:54:13 Yes, but you don't want a call far. 02:54:21 Sorry for using the word "near" and potentially confusing you there. :p 02:55:55 Far calls segue into a topic that's even more complicated, and hopefully not very relevant from the perspective of a user-mode program these days. 02:58:14 You could use the CALL r/m64 form to make a call with an absolute 64-bit address. It'll still be a "near" call, technically. 02:59:13 In fact, if you want to ask a compiler for help, the best bet is to set a function pointer to some arbitrary number, and call that. I mean, that's pretty much what you'll be wanting to do. 03:00:17 yes that was my next question 03:00:29 http://sprunge.us/CdYL -- like that. 03:02:22 Just, you know, without the part that moves rax to memory and back again. Maybe add an -O2. Except that actually does the tail call optimization and turns it into a jmpq *%rax instead. 03:09:11 Think I'll be sleeping now. 03:10:21 good night 03:10:25 and thank you for your help 03:59:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:07:12 OK, I've got a cat written for GM 04:07:13 main <- "" {{,+}@.}@; 04:09:02 Revcat is main <- "" {{,swap`+}@.}@; 04:13:45 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 04:14:11 Low pass filter is y[i] = x * x[i] + (1-a) * y[i-1] but you could make "a" to be complex numbers? 04:17:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:28:23 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:30:22 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 04:36:01 -!- hppavilion[2] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 05:15:20 -!- Alcest has joined. 05:17:14 -!- Alcest has quit (K-Lined). 05:54:33 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 05:55:37 in italy a man just killed his aunt 05:55:40 with a chainsaw 05:58:48 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:01:10 izabera: Sounds pretty normal for us here in `murica 06:02:33 :\ 06:02:33 Some people, when confronted with an aunt, think "I know, I'll use a chainsaw." 06:03:09 now they have... multiple problems? 06:03:15 now, aunts hth 06:03:17 'no 06:03:19 *no 06:03:39 sorry, my most evil puns are afflicted with muphry's [sic] law 06:04:48 oerjan: Who's muphry? 06:05:03 Oh, now I get it xD 06:05:16 * hppavilion[1] is a fucking idiot 06:10:18 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 06:20:23 Muphry's law is an adage that states: "If you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written." 06:49:25 zzo38: Yes, I knew that 07:14:20 A programming language based on Vexillology? 07:17:10 So one where a program can be rendered as a flag? 07:20:00 You could try 07:29:00 <\oren\> maybe blazon would be easier to write 07:34:22 I do not understand emmental 07:36:21 How is redefining Emmental symbols much different from Function definition? 07:38:12 Is it because if you redefine an Emmental symbol to include itself, the new definition is observed in the redefinition? 07:39:05 I ask because I'm attempting to make a more... friendly emmental. One that we could trick programmers into seriously using. 07:39:57 -!- bender| has joined. 07:42:20 Hi, bender|! 07:42:29 hppavilion[1]: it's not that different. 07:42:49 and the new definition is _not_ observed inside itself. 07:42:55 Ah 07:43:00 That's probably for the best 07:43:05 (if it were, the new function could never halt) 07:43:06 hello 07:43:08 oerjan: So it's basically just function redefinition? 07:43:12 hppavilion[1], What ya been doing? 07:43:31 hppavilion[1]: yeah 07:43:41 bender|: I'm making an Emmental (or more accurately Mascarpone)-like language we can trick programmers into using! 07:43:46 For the good of the Empire! 07:43:57 lel 07:44:01 although note that the lookup function (? iirc) always observes the newest definition 07:44:07 OK 07:44:10 It is ? 07:44:22 oerjan: I like Mascarpone because you can push interpreters onto the stack xD 07:44:36 i haven't looked at mascarpone 07:46:20 oerjan: It self-modifies so hard that it self-modifies the self-modification 07:46:28 Then again, so does Emmental 08:23:57 -!- tjt263 has joined. 08:52:48 -!- tjt263 has left ("part"). 10:00:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:01:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:09:16 -!- bender| has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:21:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:34:59 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 13:34:16 -!- bender| has joined. 13:35:40 < hppavilion[1]> Why does the ESOSC have A1, A2, then A5? Were A3 and A4 obsoleted or something? ← they were things that did not pass 13:36:35 @tell hppavilion[1] ESOSC D3 and D4 never got approved and seems like the drafts got removed 13:36:35 Consider it noted. 13:37:08 -!- mauris has joined. 13:49:12 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 14:14:51 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 14:30:25 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 14:30:46 -!- idris-bot has joined. 14:42:26 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ennullizer * New user account 14:49:55 -!- bender| has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:50:23 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…). 15:53:42 isn't it more a mixture of bf and hq9 rather than bf and hq9+? 15:54:13 "it is hq9+, but the + got removed 16:09:06 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46166&oldid=46165 * Ennullizer * (+61) 16:10:58 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46167&oldid=46130 * Ennullizer * (+15) /* H */ 16:12:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 16:12:10 boring language imho 16:12:36 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 16:12:45 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46168&oldid=46166 * Ennullizer * (+25) 16:16:06 @metar CYUL 16:16:06 CYUL 161613Z 02009KT 2 1/2SM -SN FEW012 OVC022 M04/M07 A2943 RMK SF2SC6 SLP971 16:16:21 a perfect day for coffee. 16:16:22 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46169&oldid=46168 * Ennullizer * (+2) /* HQ9+ part */ 16:16:42 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46170&oldid=46169 * Ennullizer * (-2) /* External resources */ 16:22:20 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46171&oldid=46170 * Ennullizer * (+110) 16:24:58 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46172&oldid=46171 * Ennullizer * (+14) /* HQ9+ part */ 16:25:34 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46173&oldid=46172 * Ennullizer * (+8) /* HQ9+ part */ 16:25:56 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46174&oldid=46173 * Ennullizer * (+5) /* Deep Thought extension */ 16:26:14 oh dear 16:29:47 that BF implementation is broken, oops 16:31:09 ('[' should skip to the corresponding ']' if the current cell is 0) 16:31:09 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46175&oldid=46174 * Ennullizer * (+6) /* HQ9+ instructions */ 16:31:22 i'd let them know, but, boring language :[ 16:31:26 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46176&oldid=46175 * Ennullizer * (+2) /* Syntax overview */ 16:44:00 question: anybody else has problems with youtube at the moment? there's no CSS whatsoever. 16:50:32 and reddit has a 502 bad gateway... 16:50:53 * boily strums a few chords of blues on an air banjo ♪ 17:12:18 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 17:12:44 `relcome AlexR42 17:13:01 hi 17:13:05 ​AlexR42: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 17:13:22 cool 17:13:26 thanks 17:16:25 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Alas.). 17:17:13 -!- shikhin has joined. 17:20:09 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46177 * Ennullizer * (+31) Created page with "==Esolangs by me== [[Hu9eFuck]]" 17:20:36 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46178&oldid=46177 * Ennullizer * (+0) /* Esolangs by me */ 17:22:39 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46179&oldid=46178 * Ennullizer * (+45) 17:37:30 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 17:47:32 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:50:56 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 18:24:16 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:40:52 [wiki] [[User talk:Ennullizer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46180 * Ennullizer * (+133) Created page with "Hello! Don't be shy to leave your messages and questions. Due to my native language ain't English, sorry for all the mistakes I make." 18:42:16 helloily! 18:42:38 what do alex? 18:46:10 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:46:40 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:46:47 -!- atslash has joined. 19:03:05 quinthellopia! which alex? 19:06:52 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46181&oldid=45787 * Ennullizer * (+15) /* Brainfuck derivatives */ 19:08:09 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46182&oldid=46176 * Ennullizer * (+4) 19:09:48 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46183&oldid=46181 * Ennullizer * (+47) /* Brainfuck derivatives */ 19:10:32 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46184&oldid=46167 * Ennullizer * (-15) /* H */ 19:13:20 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46185&oldid=46179 * Ennullizer * (+194) /* Esolangs by me */ 19:16:26 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46186&oldid=46182 * Ennullizer * (+37) 19:18:09 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46187&oldid=46186 * Ennullizer * (+5) 19:24:27 time for a strategic nap. 19:24:35 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRUNK CHICKEN). 19:30:47 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:37:07 -!- gniourf has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:38:10 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 19:43:03 so I've been playing Crypt of the Necrodancer recently, and have concluded that it is probably Turing-complete 19:43:09 although I haven't tried very hard to program in it yet 19:49:32 -!- kline has changed nick to kiraem. 19:49:49 -!- kiraem has changed nick to [kiraem]. 19:51:55 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:53:29 -!- [kiraem] has changed nick to kline. 20:00:19 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46188&oldid=46185 * Ennullizer * (+185) /* Hq9eFuck */ 20:04:53 -!- mauris has joined. 20:08:18 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46189&oldid=46188 * Ennullizer * (+63) /* Hq9eFuck */ 20:09:35 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46190&oldid=46187 * Ennullizer * (+66) /* Implementation */ 20:09:43 Only in #esoteric: "I think this rhythm game is turing complete" 20:09:59 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46191&oldid=46190 * Ennullizer * (+1) /* Implementation */ 20:13:29 my friend is a cyclist and a programmer, and a running joke between him and his wife is whether his bikes are turing/touring complete 20:13:59 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46192&oldid=46189 * Ennullizer * (+10) /* Me */ 20:17:51 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46193&oldid=46192 * Ennullizer * (+29) /* Me */ 20:19:14 [wiki] [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46194&oldid=46191 * Ennullizer * (+28) 20:19:57 -!- mauris has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:34:57 -!- TieSoul has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:35:27 [wiki] [[User:Ennullizer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46195&oldid=46193 * Ennullizer * (+8) /* Hq9eFuck */ 20:42:15 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 21:31:33 <\oren\> hmm 21:32:26 <\oren\> seen from a time complexity point of view, there are several unnamed variants of BF 21:32:52 Taneb: I think you can do it even assuming that the level has only a finite amount that isn't open space 21:33:16 ah, hmm, no 21:33:24 the problem there is generating an infinite supply of enemies 21:35:44 <\oren\> see, suppose you come across a ], and the current cell isn't 0. finding the next instruction, depending on the interpreter, might take O(1) time beacuse we know where it is, or O(n) time to search for the matching [. 21:36:53 <\oren\> similarly, an [ might take O(1) or O(n). 21:38:15 <\oren\> so, I call these variants bf[11], bf[1N], bf[N1] and bf[NN] 21:38:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:39:46 <\oren\> a naive interpreter would typically implement bf[NN], while my stupid trick interpreter is bf[N1]. 21:40:32 <\oren\> a jit type thing would make it bf[11] 21:40:42 or just using a compiler 21:40:56 <\oren\> right 21:41:05 fungot does bf[11] in those terms, though the distinction sounds only relevant if you're generating a piece of brainfuck code that depends on the size of some problem of interest. 21:41:05 fizzie: ( for some unfathomable reason i didn't do cs but math is of three elements.) are becoming more and more annoying 21:42:21 Is the concept of "coproduct" (as seen on TV! If all you watch is documentaries on Category Theory) applicable to normal numbers? 21:42:45 @messages-lud 21:42:45 nortti said 8h 6m 9s ago: ESOSC D3 and D4 never got approved and seems like the drafts got removed 21:43:18 If you're talking about the time complexity of some particular BF program to do a particular thing, which is possibly more common, the operations would still be constant-time. 21:43:50 <\oren\> right 21:44:36 <\oren\> this is only for comparing interpreters, not programs 21:44:54 \oren\: What's this BF[NN] syntax? 21:45:00 What does it refer to? 21:45:56 <\oren\> BF[NN] means that when the interpreter wants to find the [ that a ] jumps to, it has to scan the code, and the same for ] and [ 21:46:14 \oren\: Ah? 21:46:18 So what do the Ns mean? 21:46:37 BF[5,12] for example? 21:46:44 <\oren\> BF[NN] means [ and ] have O(N) time complexity 21:46:47 \oren\: it's also possible that, say, < or > are O(N) 21:46:57 Ah 21:47:03 and + and - might scale on the order of the magnitude being increased/decreased, on the position on the tape, or both 21:47:14 So 5 and 12 is a stupid set of numbers 21:47:28 because, y'know, that's not how O() works 21:47:34 <\oren\> right 21:48:01 I like the idea of a programming language where the interpreter is a first-class object :) 21:48:25 In fact, I'm making a Mascarpone-derived language where /everything/ is modifyable and anonymous. Well, as much as possible. 21:48:45 And it's readable and not obviously esoteric, so we can trick uncautious programmers into using it seriously >:) 21:49:15 For the good of the Empire! 21:53:59 wait, would a zombie turn around if it ran into a yeti? 21:54:07 * ais523 tests 21:54:42 ais523: No, it would zomibfy the yeti 21:54:57 Then the world would self-destruct for the good of the rest of the universe 21:56:43 it does 21:56:47 this seems to give us unlimited storage 21:56:51 if an awkward storage to use 21:57:08 even with finitely many enemies 21:57:28 I guess what we do is, we have two yeti/zombie pairs to represent one counter 21:57:42 ais523: Wait, what? 21:57:50 ais523: You have now confused me 21:57:53 turn the zombies around every time they get back home (this is easy) 21:58:05 Oh 21:58:08 Like ping storage? 21:58:16 then we can encode an unbounded integer in the difference in time that it takes the two zombies to arrive 21:58:27 yes, similar idea, except it's all in timings, nothing in payloads 21:58:33 Ah 21:58:34 Cool 21:59:02 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 21:59:03 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Changing host). 21:59:03 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 21:59:03 next question is how to detect that the two zombies are arriving with a particular time difference 21:59:10 we could use a separate zombie at right angles, I guess 21:59:16 I can't think of a way to do it with a slime 21:59:44 hmm, maybe unless the slime was walking on a chain of confusion traps 21:59:46 time for another test 22:02:18 oh, a blue sime can only move in one direction if you place the confusion traps at alternating locations like I did 22:02:27 you could get a yellow slime to move in a circuit though I think 22:04:30 got it: you conceptually divide the grid into a larger grid of 2x2 squares 22:04:38 then make that into a checkerboard 22:04:49 wait, this depends a lot on the timing 22:04:50 * ais523 tests again 22:14:01 I just gave someone advice on how to get out of a coding rut. I feel so smart. I hope it worked. I would feel bad if it didn't. 22:14:34 oh gah, this is nondeterministic? 22:14:52 or at least, I seem to be able to throw off the timing via movement that's a /long/ way from the beat 22:16:18 "Due to my native language ain't English, sorry for all the mistakes I make." - I hope that was intentional. 22:16:27 Sounds intentional if you ask me. 22:16:38 `iyam 22:16:43 Rather. 22:16:44 `? iyam 22:16:48 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: iyam: not found 22:16:48 iyam? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:16:57 I have been tempted to make a post ending with "Sorry for the bad english, I repeatedly google translated it so it wouldn't sound natural" 22:17:07 `learn IYAM is like IANAL, except yam instead of anal. 22:17:12 Learned 'iyam': IYAM is like IANAL, except yam instead of anal. 22:18:03 `? IANAL 22:18:03 hppavilion[1]: you must actually repeatedly google translate it, and repeatedly google translate that bit too 22:18:04 IANAL? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:18:11 hppavilion[1]: "I am not a lawyer" 22:18:13 ais523: Well yes, that was the plan 22:18:16 Oh 22:18:23 Then what's IYAM? 22:18:30 it's the usual disclaimer when you talk about the law, on the basis that pretending to be a lawyer is illegal 22:18:31 I Yelled At Mohammed? 22:18:41 I think tswett made IYAM up 22:21:33 hppavilion[1]: It is, it is, there it it, it will need to translate it, Google of it, in English, to me, is, 1 it to the shame of the throat for what is bad also because it does not listen Although not part, I, of course, but, you repeat the position that it has not been has of placement 22:21:41 Also: 22:21:44 hppavilion[1]: "if you ask me" 22:21:53 tswett: nice xD 22:29:50 That translation occasionally included "I am sorry for the English" or "I pity the English". 22:31:33 wow, fungot writes better english than that... 22:31:34 int-e: c's syntax?' you have not scrolled down at all. the vote selected a black white logo! 22:32:27 (But I guess fungot is cheating a bit) 22:32:28 int-e: i'm pretty depressed myself: not a directory.' i'm curious where you learned it. i prefer minimal changes if any to paredit.el, but is also quite nice, imho 22:33:19 fungot: Look, just because it's not a directory is no reason to get depressed. 22:33:20 fizzie: after k-f-newline has been enqueued, start is the in-range's end, and you write the missing tests 22:33:24 tswett: "I am sorry for the English" is actually ambiguous, it could mean either "sorry for my English" or "I pity the English" 22:34:04 -!- int-e has set topic: Depressing files | The international hub for magic gathering and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ | This part of the topic was the second added in 2016. 22:34:10 ais523: I thought it was someone apologizing on behalf of the English. 22:34:33 oh, ambiguous three ways :-) 22:34:33 As in, sorry for what they did to your country, or some-such. 22:35:12 such poor people 22:35:40 We went through the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich today while thereabouts, and it seemed to be mostly about the slave trade across the Atlantic, and the part where the East India Company filled China with opium. 22:36:01 At least they're not trying to sugarcoat things. 22:36:49 . o O ( so there were no pills? ) 22:56:20 -!- infinitymaster has joined. 22:57:59 ais523: What about "I'm sorry for thee, English"? 22:58:08 Feeling pity for someone named English? 22:58:34 hppavilion[1]: you can only do that by mishearing the sentence though 22:58:51 ais523: True 23:05:17 I still like the idea of Executable Encryption 23:05:44 Encryption which requires things like entering a password to decrypt 23:08:05 ais523, what about "I'm sorry about all the English people that I brought here"? 23:08:18 Taneb: oh yes, that works too 23:08:29 although it might be the same meaning as fizzie's 23:08:44 I don't think it is 23:17:31 I have added a few commands into XISYNTH such as: COM$ FCO IF LPF~ RBPF RHPF RLPF WG2 23:19:43 Here's an idea 23:19:44 TCFG 23:19:49 (Turing-complete config) 23:20:11 What is it configuring? 23:20:42 zzo38: Whatever it's needed for 23:21:09 zzo38: It's a general-purpose CFG with the minor side-benefit of being TC 23:21:23 Sort of like the C Preprocessor or LaTeX 23:21:31 OK, although possibly many program will do anyways 23:21:56 Even JavaScript (which is the superset of JSON), and also SQL 23:22:34 But if the format has a C syntax then you can even use C preprocessor with it, without the problem! 23:23:09 zzo38: Yes, but this is a dedicated configuration file 23:23:11 format 23:23:12 GTG 23:23:50 Yes, although I am also saying that such format could have a syntax compatible with C preprocessor and then you can use it with C preprocessor 23:26:46 hppavilion[1], that makes me think of nix 23:28:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:32:05 Oh, also from the Maritime Museum: they had a cards of the form "I think exploration is [adjective] because... [space for free-form text]" that you could hang up on the wall. Someone had left a card that said: 23:32:10 "I think exploration is irrelevant because... 23:32:10 * Hat 23:32:10 * Farm shop 23:32:10 * 2 legs 23:32:12 Bye" 23:32:20 Can't really argue with that. 23:39:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:47:48 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 23:59:59 hppavilion[1]: "Turing-complete configuration" is more or less what Lua is. It's certainly used for that purpose quite a lot.