00:00:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:08:56 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 00:27:43 -!- XorSwap has joined. 00:28:40 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 00:44:59 [wiki] [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46236&oldid=45335 * Hppavilion1 * (+253) /* Copyright Violation */ new section 00:46:49 * oerjan prepares to swat hppavilion[1] if he doesn't sign pronto 00:47:24 [wiki] [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46237&oldid=46236 * Hppavilion1 * (+95) /* Copyright Violation */ 00:47:42 THANK YOU 00:47:57 oerjan: hppavilion[1] is not prone to signing hth 00:48:26 shachaf: i'm afraid of what has accumulated in the wiki talk pages since i gave up catching up... 00:48:33 ~~~~ 00:48:38 oerjan: opinions on hppavilion[1]'s actual post? 00:48:49 he is right, the esme program does appear to contain a copyright notice 00:48:53 oerjan: I have no idea why MediaWiki doesn't just automatically append the siggy if ~~~~ doesn't appear in the message 00:48:59 although given how random esme is, that might be part of the syntax rather than a comment 00:49:05 ais523: Fair poitn 00:49:05 Taneb: Haneb 00:49:18 ah, "Anything beginning with a | can contain anything and is a comment." 00:49:40 shachaf, hachaf 00:50:12 Earlier I tried to get a MediaWiki wiki running off my nixos PC 00:50:55 But did not reach much success 00:52:18 hppavilion[1]: because mediawiki does not distinguish talk page edits from any other. besides, not _all_ talk page edits are new messages. 00:52:29 oerjan: Ah, that makes sense 00:53:17 wikipedia used to have a bot for adding signatures, although lately i've seen some missing them... 00:53:36 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:53:37 I haven't seen SineBot around for a while actually 00:54:22 hmm, esolang idea: an esolang where all programs must be copyrighted, thus you can't put any examples on the wiki 00:54:37 ais523: Excellent, excellent >:) 00:54:44 Programs are automatically copyrighted anyway. 00:54:58 shachaf: yes but you can decopyright them (in many countries, anyway) 00:55:08 ais523: you know, technically a copyright notice doesn't contradict CC-0, does it? >:) 00:55:19 I doubt that most examples on the wiki are decopyrighted. 00:55:19 oerjan: I'm pretty sure it does 00:55:22 oerjan: well CC0 has two halves 00:55:23 They're just licensed or something. 00:55:26 it doesn't say "all rights reserved" 00:55:26 it contradicts the first half but not the second 00:55:34 Is the standard copyright notice copyrighted, I wonder? 00:55:51 hppavilion[1]: it's too short to be copyright hth 00:55:53 I'd rather have an esolang where writing any program in it involves violating a patent. 00:56:02 here's the actual license: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode 00:56:06 oerjan: Trademarked then? 00:56:37 I guess it's easy enough to get US software patents to make that doable. 00:56:41 hmm, it doesn't seem to be actually contradictory with a copyright notice 00:57:16 hppavilion[1]: it cannot be trademarked if it's not used for commerce, can it 00:57:23 Oh yeah 00:57:35 For the record, I'm just in this for my crusade against copywritten programs 00:58:27 I don't want future children growing up in a society where everything is proprietary- even stupid programs in stupid languages 00:59:40 Copywritten programs? Are those programs used in advertisements? 01:00:47 shachaf: I don't really know how to spell ~"Copywritten"~ 01:02:26 copyrighted? 01:04:19 someone needs to copywrite that "copywritten" :-P 01:06:07 ais523: I'm the antichopyrist and I approve of this message 01:09:24 copyrosis 01:12:13 -!- XorSwap has joined. 01:21:14 -!- p34k has quit. 01:22:12 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:28:06 <\oren\> by analogy with light -> lit, copyright -> copyrit. 01:29:42 fight -> fought, copyright -> copyrought 01:31:12 copywrought in the fires of mount doom 01:31:49 <\oren\> yah, give it a 'ough' to prove how evil it is 01:31:54 flight -> flown, copyright -> copyrown hth 01:32:47 sadly the second ring was destroyed as part of the settlement of Sauron vs. The Free Peoples 01:33:01 <\oren\> i copyright, i copywrought, i have copywrown 01:33:37 * oerjan hits \oren\ with the saucepan of writeous grammar ===\__/ 01:34:31 or wait, that's correct SORRY 01:44:58 -!- heroux_ has joined. 01:46:02 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:46:06 -!- heroux_ has changed nick to heroux. 01:48:50 Hm... 01:49:00 I'm making a programming language called GM (working name, ftr) 01:49:05 I'm also making one called Gouda 01:49:14 These are both semi-serious languages 01:49:39 But I'm wondering if I should add some Gouda-like features to GM. 01:49:45 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:50:04 Gouda is based off Mascarpone, I should mention. At least, the idea of reifying/deifying interpreters (pushing them/popping them, using them as data) 01:53:35 I could, if it would work, entirely merge them. And it makes /some/ sense: GM is heavily mathematical, and what's more mathy in programming than self-modifying code? 01:55:06 These are both semi-serious languages <-- i dunno, the latter sound cheesy to me 01:55:13 *+s 01:55:19 oerjan: You're going to hell. 01:55:33 Just thought I'd let you know. 01:55:34 dammit 01:55:52 i had my suspicions already. 01:58:19 augur, if you're around, can you explain why when americans hear canadians say 'about' and south africans say 'fuck' they render this as 'aboot' and 'fook' respectively, despite the fact that they're clearly 'aboat' and 'fock' and don't sound anything like 'oo'? 01:58:40 like it's so egregious that i have to wonder if it's a peculiarity to how americans say or hear 'oo' 01:59:07 yoo wooldn't onderstand 01:59:46 <\oren\> ab uh oo t 02:00:15 <\oren\> i guess they don't pay attention to the uh before the oo part? 02:05:12 <\oren\> like it's a /ʌu/ vowel sequence, but they percieve it as just being /u:/ 02:06:13 <\oren\> aboat would be /o/ wouldn't it? 02:06:19 don't americans say it like that 02:06:35 /ʌu/, that is 02:07:15 <\oren\> no thay say somehting like /ʌbæut/ to my ear 02:07:25 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 02:08:05 there's an article by an actual linguist about it here http://dialectblog.com/2011/03/20/canadian-raising-nobody-says-aboot/ 02:08:23 but it doesn't cover the similarly wrong 'fook' (as in the meme from district 9) 02:10:40 <\oren\> that's definitly fock 02:10:42 \oren\, fwiw wiktionary's standard pronunciations of 'boat' don't have /o/ as the vowel 02:11:10 /əʊ/ in RP, /oʊ/ in general american 02:12:38 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:20:52 Phantom_Hoover: i dont really know, actually 02:21:43 it might have to do with some kind of perceptual repulsion 02:22:16 like i don't know of any accent which would pronounce 'fuck' as 'fook' 02:22:33 like, if you expect X but the sound produced is Y, you perceive it as whatever is furthest in the Y-X direction 02:23:16 about in AmEn uses the diphthon [æʊ] at least in my dialect 02:23:49 i had to stare at my lips in a mirror for a while to convince myself that i was actually saying a diphthong 02:24:00 if CanEn is [ʌʊ] or [əʊ] then the direction from [æʊ] to either of those is up and to the right 02:24:15 and the most extreme vowel in that direction is english [u:] 02:24:28 it's like caricature: focusing on the differences and exaggerating them 02:25:09 keep in mind tho also that [ʌʊ] and [əʊ] dont exist in AmEn, so AmEn ears have to put those into some box or other, and they cant put them in the [æʊ] box 02:25:47 so it has to be some other box up and to the right of [æʊ] 02:26:29 but also Phantom_Hoover, we cant discount the possible effect also of cultural depictions of canadians as saying [u:] as well. we'd need to find someone whos kind of oblivious and see what their perception is 02:27:01 it might be [ʊ] 02:27:07 well yeah, the blogpost i linked theorises that it's an extinct pronunciation that's lived on in pop culture 02:27:08 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brummie 02:27:25 e.g. Ozzie Osbourne 02:27:50 Ozzy, sorry 02:28:07 but that doesn't work for 'fook' because afaik it started with district 9 in 2009 02:28:09 whats the actual sequence anyway, Phantom_Hoover? i think i misread part of the convo :) 02:28:34 uh, the article is http://dialectblog.com/2011/03/20/canadian-raising-nobody-says-aboot/ 02:29:01 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 02:29:04 and the 'fook' thing is because there's this meme that the south african characters in district 9 say 'fook' a lot, most notoriously 'fookin prawns' 02:29:14 Phantom_Hoover: yeah i think fook is another interesting question. i bet S.A. uses a pure vowel, not [oʊ] but probably [o] 02:29:33 someone's made a convenient compilation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E49BB1vE2tY 02:29:48 [foʊk] is an AmEn word: folk so it people are hearing fook, its because it doesnt sound like folk 02:31:42 -!- andrew has joined. 02:32:03 dialect perception is really tricky tho, do i dunno 02:35:39 -!- boily has joined. 02:35:40 shovel shovel shovel ♪ 02:39:27 augur, oh i just remembered i got started on this whole diversion when i saw someone on reddit try to write an irish accent and end up with 'fook' 02:44:40 everyone knows its scottish people who say fook! 02:45:09 oh btw another possible issue is that no one knows IPA 02:45:31 * oerjan imagines boily ircing from deep inside a snow cave that he's digged himself 02:45:32 Is IPA that thing that all pronounciations are given in? 02:45:40 Sgeo_: yes 02:45:49 Sgeo_: If you're dealing with linguists, at least. 02:45:50 Phantom_Hoover: so if Joe Normal wants to write /fʊk/ they would analogize to book and write fook 02:45:57 hellørjan. it's not a snow cave, it's a snow dwelling. it has rooms! 02:46:12 It's the script that has all the phonemes. 02:46:15 but fook can also be seen as /fuk/ and so there you go 02:46:21 pikhq: phones, not phonemes 02:46:45 boily: as long as it doesn't have dwelling-ins 02:46:53 @metar ENVA 02:46:54 Ah, because "phonemes" only makes sense in the context of a particular language? 02:46:54 ENVA 200150Z 24013KT 9999 FEW013 SCT026 BKN051 M01/M03 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 27017KT 02:47:09 augur, scottish people don't say fook either! 02:47:16 nobody says fook!! 02:47:17 pikhq: no, just because "phoneme" means roughly "equivalence class of phones" 02:47:22 augur: Ah. 02:47:25 Phantom_Hoover: not even glaswegians? 02:47:26 Phantom_Hoover: fsvo fook :) 02:47:29 fook fook fook ♪ 02:47:33 @metar CYUL 02:47:33 CYUL 200200Z 26017G23KT 15SM -SN DRSN BKN035 OVC150 M10/M14 A2999 RMK SC5AC3 SLP160 02:47:35 took fook 02:47:37 Talk to my old grey fook! 02:47:51 DRSN like there's no tomorrow! 02:47:52 And thus "all the phonemes" would be about as useful as "all the letters" rather than "all the glyphs". 02:48:00 oerjan, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E49BB1vE2tY 02:48:21 note first word: fohkin 02:48:44 (watch rest of video for the experience) 02:50:32 Phantom_Hoover: i see no glaswegians tdnh 02:50:59 Phantom_Hoover: of course scots say fook 02:51:10 i've watched nae mince in moray, dont pretend! 02:51:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9BtScBQaI 02:52:19 teuchters don't count! 02:52:30 racist 02:52:48 you're practical ENGLISH! 02:52:52 i haven't noticed him saying 'fuck' yet though tbh 02:53:26 nah he doesnt say fuck, thats true 02:53:57 he does say oot (and wrote it too) and coo for cow and so on, like the fake canadian dialect 02:54:42 well yeah, 'aboot' is a normal scots thing 02:55:39 but 'fook' doesn't hit me as 'fuck' in any accent i recognise 02:55:39 i do think tho that /ʊ/ is maybe anglicized irish maybe? i can hear Dara Ó Briain saying it, i think 02:56:38 or maybe he says ɔ or something. on british television he doesnt use feck as much as he probably does with an irish audience 02:57:25 huh, i'd expect him to use it more if anything 02:57:57 like i'm fairly sure father ted is doused in 'feck' because if they'd been saying 'fuck' that much they'd have been asked to rein it in 02:58:43 augur, it might well be that i have a very pronounced idea of how 'fuck' sounds 02:58:47 er, 'fook' 02:59:39 ok im off 02:59:40 this one has it beeped out but the text rhymes it with Tuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLC4h0_C1Q 03:01:01 -!- ais523 has quit. 03:02:45 he says 'tuck', though 03:04:23 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DRAUGHT CHICKEN). 03:06:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:15:00 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:31:09 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:32:11 So, you know what a great system for expressing musical pitch is? 03:32:15 848-EDO. 03:32:25 One "point" is one 848th of an octave. 03:32:28 Th. 03:32:47 See, we can assign nominal sizes to various intervals— 03:33:22 `factor 848 03:33:38 a minor third is nominally 223 points, a major third is 273, a perfect fourth is 352, a perfect fifth is 496, a minor sixth is 575, a major sixth is 625— 03:33:45 848: 2 2 2 2 53 03:34:23 such that these nominal sizes add and subtract perfectly, and the nominal size of an interval is almost always the correctly rounded version of its exact size. 03:35:50 A minor second has a nominal size of 79 points. There are two different kinds of major seconds, with different nominal sizes: the smaller one is 129 points, the larger one is 144 points. 03:36:18 The difference between these two numbers is 15 points, the nominal size of a syntonic comma. 03:41:08 The enharmonic diesis, whatever the heck that is (it's a ratio of 128 to 125), is nominally 29 points. 03:41:30 Now, there's an interval called the schisma, which is exactly the difference between an enharmonic diesis and two syntonic commas. 03:41:36 This interval is nominally 1 point. 03:41:49 That is, of course, the correct rounded value. 03:43:08 So what this comes to is that 848-EDO suggests a pretty decent way of expressing just interval sizes. 03:43:59 It's gonna be hard to make two "reasonable" just intervals that have the same nominal size, so a nominal size will usually determine just one just interval. 03:45:04 And nominal sizes are a very good match for the actual size of an interval. 03:45:19 Like, good luck finding a perceptible difference. 03:46:46 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:57:12 -!- bb010g has joined. 03:59:09 -!- erdic has joined. 03:59:48 So, 848-EDO tempers out two commas. 04:01:25 First is the "superpythagorean comma" which is 53 perfect fifths minus 31 octaves. This comma is 3.615 cents. 04:02:42 And second is some other weird comma, which 10 perfect fifths, plus 16 major thirds, minus 11 octaves. 04:02:51 This one is 0.569 cents. 04:04:01 The frequency ratio for the former is 19383245667680019896796723/19342813113834066795298816; the frequency ratio for the latter is 9010162353515625/9007199254740992. 04:05:06 Of course, 848-EDO also tempers out any integer linear combination of these commas. 04:16:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:29:01 -!- variable has joined. 04:36:51 -!- variable has changed nick to function. 04:59:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:03:47 So as I mentioned before 05:03:53 I'm making two languages 05:03:59 And would like to know if I should merge them 05:04:08 do it 05:04:11 with a ukuleke 05:04:31 coppro: These are serious languages with Eso roots, so I can't just do it without thought 05:04:36 coppro: *l 05:04:41 oerjan: wrong 05:04:47 eek 05:04:54 you might be thinking of a ukulele 05:05:00 it's an easy mistake 05:05:00 i was 05:05:47 coppro: One is inspired by Mascarpone and is based off of meta-circular interpretation, the other is rooted in mathematics, with Graphs and Matrices being primitive data types 05:06:40 Both are stack (well, deque) based 05:07:40 * oerjan suddenly regrets not saying he was thinking of a ululele 05:08:45 incidentally, "ukuleke" and "ululele" both give about 1.5k hits 05:08:48 er 05:08:51 *15k 05:09:12 *1e5 05:09:28 the significant digits are not very many 05:09:35 *1e4 05:09:41 also i can't count 05:09:44 oerjan: 1******************5 05:11:27 i,i meta-circulr matrices 05:11:30 *+a 05:11:52 muphry's law is strong today, even though i only vaguely fit the prerequisites 05:12:03 oerjan: Yes, you could have a matrix of meta-circular interpreters 05:12:34 `murphy 05:12:38 `muphry 05:12:54 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: murphy: not found 05:12:54 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: muphry: not found 05:13:00 i see coppro is also affected 05:13:06 `? murphy 05:13:09 murphy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:13:12 `? muphry 05:13:14 muphry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:13:19 `? murphy's law 05:13:21 murphy's law? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:13:26 `? muphry's law 05:13:27 muphry's law? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:13:36 yeah, I cannot spell muphry correctly 05:15:02 `le/rn muphrys law/Mumphrie's Law says things will be misspelled at the worst possible moment. 05:15:04 coppro: So. Merge the languages? Yes? No? 05:15:06 Learned «muphrys law» 05:15:24 pizza -> 05:16:42 -!- guideX has joined. 05:16:51 `relcome guideX 05:16:58 ​guideX: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 05:17:01 good evening 05:17:11 Hackbot's a little slow today. Took 7 seconds to respond ._. 05:17:46 cool chan 05:17:54 The channel is mostly asleep at this moment IIANC, but the wiki is always full of stuff 05:18:12 hppavilion[1]: C? 05:18:26 oerjan: C? C as in...? 05:18:27 I dunno 05:18:29 ask muphry 05:18:44 oerjan: Oh, as in IIANC 05:18:53 "If I am not clueless" 05:19:07 Best I could think of off the top of my head 05:22:57 <\oren\> i'm awake, because I almost live and work by california time 05:24:18 <\oren\> lately that is 05:25:09 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:29:56 today i seem to have got a backlash to beijing time 05:51:19 Some of my coworkers in Zurich seem to do the same. 05:51:33 At least, I *hope* that's why they're answering things at 1 AM their time. 05:53:19 lol 05:58:11 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:58:48 -!- olsner has joined. 06:00:14 I give up asking and am just going to merge them 06:41:10 -!- function has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 07:03:13 -!- tjt263 has joined. 07:09:44 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 07:33:06 -!- andrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:05:18 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:05:35 a man, a plan, a god's 'nam tables, nitrate, tar, tinsel, batman's dog: anal panama 08:07:06 :D 08:07:20 Inxkcdeed. 08:19:45 lol 08:23:34 xxxkcd 08:25:00 -!- mroman has joined. 08:25:07 fnąrd 08:25:46 `unidecode ą 08:25:57 HackEgo: chop chop 08:25:59 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 08:26:05 ​[U+0105 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH OGONEK] 08:27:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:29:27 `quote U\+ 08:29:28 740) U+2205 [∅] NO LETTER O ALLOWED 08:29:36 hm 08:29:43 no other uniquodes? 08:39:45 -!- bender| has joined. 08:41:28 -!- glowcoil has changed nick to incomprehensibly. 08:42:14 -!- incomprehensibly has changed nick to glowcoil. 08:54:36 -!- bender| has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:05:31 -!- bender| has joined. 09:07:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 09:17:24 `unidecode ∅ 09:17:33 ​[U+2205 EMPTY SET] 09:17:53 how the fuck can fflush cause a sigsegv? 09:18:29 fp is invalid 09:41:42 -!- andrew__ has joined. 09:47:26 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:51:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:54:15 -!- gniourf has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:54:33 shouldn't it then use EBADF or something like that? 09:54:39 rather than faulting 09:55:42 -!- gniourf has joined. 10:05:45 -!- tjt263 has left. 10:05:55 mroman: if it gets something that's non-NULL but not pointing to an actual FILE, it might try to follow something it thinks should be a valid pointer but isn't... 10:06:45 *an actual valid FILE structure 10:07:18 i.e. it won't check for totally corrupted memory or bad casts 10:18:26 yeah but that FD is int 10:18:35 I think 10:18:35 also 10:18:42 close(fd); works 10:18:44 fflush(fd); crashes 10:18:49 mroman: FILE is not necessarily FD afaik 10:19:05 fflush takes a *FILE 10:19:15 so 10:19:18 where's flush :( 10:19:18 er, FILE * 10:22:06 unistd apparentely has no flush 10:22:46 hm 10:22:48 probably fsync 10:24:18 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Quit: impomatic_). 10:25:26 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:26:27 -!- atslash has joined. 10:26:45 mroman: i am not sure that file descriptors without a stream _have_ any buffering to flush 10:27:48 yeah, fsync looks like the closest 10:28:28 -!- andrew__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:54:04 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:55:31 -!- haavard has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:56:28 -!- haavard has joined. 10:58:34 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:58:47 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:18:31 oerjan: I confused unistd stuff with stdio stuff 11:18:42 stdio stuff uses FILE* 11:18:49 whereas unistd uses int 11:21:11 I would have hoped a compiler to say an empathic 'no' to fflush(fd). 11:21:43 Morning 11:26:00 fizzie: you'd think. 11:26:53 `! cc fflush(1); 11:27:04 `! c fflush(1); 11:27:34 ​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/cc: not found 11:27:40 ​./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 53: 310 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ 11:28:03 `! c int n = 1; fflush(n); 11:28:12 ​./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 53: 313 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ 11:28:24 huh not even then... 11:28:32 oh hm 11:28:59 `! c include \nint main() { int n = 1; fflush(n); } 11:29:06 No output. 11:29:21 eep 11:29:25 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:29:26 oh wait 11:29:37 `! c #include \nint main() { int n = 1; fflush(n); } 11:29:42 No output. 11:29:53 *sigh* 11:30:34 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:30:54 `cc #include \n int main() { int n = 1; fflush(n); } 11:30:57 Segmentation fault 11:31:00 Heh. 11:31:07 wat 11:31:25 maybe it's just random 11:31:43 It's an enabled-by-default warning, but not an error. 11:31:48 anyway, it's definitely not type safe 11:31:57 And our `cc and `! c aren't that good about error reporting. 11:32:05 warning: passing argument 1 of ‘fflush’ makes pointer from integer without a cast [enabled by default] 11:32:41 hm 11:32:53 Without a prototype, it's a warning for -std=c99 or newer, because C99 removed implicit function declarations. 11:33:42 (But GCC versions < 5 default to "gnu89".) 11:35:14 -!- boily has joined. 11:40:25 I was using clang. 11:41:06 hm I must have missed the warnings 11:41:29 -!- mauris has joined. 11:41:34 I guess that's why I always use -Wall -Werror (at least with gcc) 11:48:24 "Subject: LET US ACTUALIZE THIS DREAM TOGETHER" 11:49:42 (The dream in question involves $8.6M USD "kept in a big suitcase secretly hidden", as well as 86 kg of gold.) 11:55:53 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: No route to host). 11:56:57 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 11:57:17 useful. "A million dollars will fit inside a microwave oven." http://izismile.com/2011/05/31/where_can_you_hide_one_million_dollars_cash_13_pics.html 11:58:53 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 11:59:44 (I was wondering how big that big suitcase would have to be) 12:00:02 I gathered 12:00:25 there's a gameshow on UK TV called The Million Pound Drop 12:00:34 one of its main gimmicks is that it's played with a physical million pounds in cash 12:00:58 if you happen to see even just the start of the show, it gives you a good idea of what that looks like volume-wise 12:01:18 "big suitcase" thus feels about right, a small one wouldn't be big enough but a big one would be 12:01:23 * APic will leech a Sample from YouTube, thanks ais523. 12:02:08 I assume that when the contestants win (some subset) of it the producers just take the cash back and give a cheque for the value in exchange 12:02:17 so that they don't have to keep getting more cash as the episode goes on 12:02:25 although perhaps they have another few million spare just in case :-) 12:05:10 ais523, there's no Bank of England £100 notes, and £50s are quite large, so £1000000 is gonna be a lot larger volume than $1000000 12:05:27 Unless you're in Scotland maybe 12:05:31 I assume the show uses £50s but I wasn't paying attention 12:06:03 also Bank of Scotland notes are legal in England, aren't they? just most stores don't accept them because they don't know how to check if they're genuine 12:07:34 Soooort of 12:08:11 They're as much currency as the shopkeeper says it is 12:08:29 And they're not legal tender (even in Scotland) 12:09:26 that's because nothing is legal tender in Scotland 12:10:41 I think coins are 12:11:07 http://codepad.org/0Lq8BCpP \o/ 12:11:10 I'm making progress. 12:12:40 mroman, what are you doing? 12:13:10 -!- boily has quit (Quit: EMOTIONAL CHICKEN). 12:14:08 Taneb: It's kind of a high-level virtual machine. 12:14:22 let's say "shell emulator" I don't know how to call it exactly. 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Not that I spent all that time thinking about it. 23:00:44 fizzie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paulproteus/List_of_puns_that_took_Asheesh_more_than_a_year_to_get hth 23:00:58 you should make a page like that 23:01:09 I haven't been keeping track. 23:02:39 Ray-Ban was a new one for me. 23:04:12 shachaf: i don't get some of these 23:04:53 what abput that don't let's start thing? 23:05:03 i don't even understand 23:06:00 Apparently it's a song. 23:06:20 https://play.google.com/music/preview/Ttveq7pmiusetyflqcu4sk6jxne?lyrics=1 23:08:10 Also I logged onto my flickr account for the first time in over a year, and someone had sent three identical messages about wanting to use a picture of an elephant on a website that's a database of pictures of elephants. 23:08:46 (Months ago.) 23:10:52 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:12:17 Is https://www.flickr.com/photos/21230734@N06/ you? 23:14:50 Unfortunately not. 23:15:22 https://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/14435641202/ is the elephant in question. 23:15:27 (I'm not the elephant either.) 23:20:42 yay elephants 23:39:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:48:40 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:54:55 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:59:24 -!- Sprocklem_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).