< 1454803250 535487 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1454803763 717517 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1454804357 113431 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1454804531 15291 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1454804812 834228 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1454804930 311485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454805159 491376 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454805343 151223 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454805344 637777 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a text editor :) < 1454805362 96961 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is to make one better than Notepad++ < 1454805369 806457 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a long way off from that goal xD < 1454805377 843922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is your text editing working? I just use vi < 1454805389 355014 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well it can do syntax highlighting < 1454805401 948841 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It uses a JSON-based format for the language files < 1454805431 91089 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is /much/ better than Notepad++'s XML < 1454805434 123023 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition < 1454805434 411058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once made up (but never implemented) a RDF-based syntax for syntax highlighting < 1454805440 707741 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oooh < 1454805446 495195 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1454805546 13142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/syntax_highlighter.example It might not be best way as is, but can be made modifications < 1454805759 362978 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1454806536 398932 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454807324 360134 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TICKLE CHICKEN < 1454807354 32625 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454808011 805438 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think mouse buttons are a pretty crappy interface. < 1454808026 360350 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a left click mean? It means "select this thing". Or maybe it means "activate this thing". < 1454808039 575831 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f90b:ac04:9b43:1dda JOIN :#esoteric < 1454808074 390340 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-click means "activate this thing". Or sometimes it's something that doesn't actually support double-clicking; then it means "activate this thing twice". < 1454808100 586474 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about a click and drag? Ooh boy. < 1454808112 552765 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it means "move this thing". Sometimes it means "select all these things". < 1454808138 260017 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you're in the middle of a click-and-drag, and you want to cancel it? Sometimes you can hit Escape, but not always. < 1454808155 486425 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what if you want to do something else in the middle of the click-and-drag? Sucks to be you. < 1454808191 165918 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that there are a lot of workarounds that things use in order to allow you to do that stuff. < 1454808233 256351 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how do you scroll? You use the scroll wheel... unless you're clicking and dragging, in which case you move the mouse to the edge of the window. < 1454808248 654916 :jaboja!~jaboja@ehe223.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1454808383 35778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think keyboard is fine < 1454808383 502379 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you switch to a different window? Click on its button in the task bar... unless you're clicking and dragging, in which case you *hover* over the button in the task bar. < 1454808386 708418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use mouse wheel < 1454808407 692754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I disabled the wheel, and instead just use it as a button) < 1454808408 197167 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise for opening up a folder in your file browser. < 1454808445 744770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the mouse button function in xterm is reasonable < 1454808556 995169 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-click on it, unless you're clicking and dragging, in which case you hover instead. < 1454808579 668405 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-clicking almost always means "open up a menu for interacting with this thing". That's good. < 1454808583 967809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click and drag is what is worse < 1454808590 161717 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle-clicking... arbitrary miscellaneous actions. < 1454808637 722873 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme make a list of mouse actions. < 1454808647 841754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the way it work in UNIX, the Windows way isn't very good. In Athena widget set the scrollbar use left/right button to scroll by amount, middle button moves scroll to the clicked position, I think is a better way < 1454808683 467113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use SHIFT+PAGEUP and SHIFT+PAGEDOWN in xterm too, and SCROLL LOCK can be pushed to stop it from automatically scrolling < 1454808715 889594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think is a reasonable way; it is too bad that Firefox does not do these things. < 1454808867 245799 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select this; select up to here; activate this; pick this up; drop this; show me options for this; perform miscellaneous action on this. < 1454808906 732300 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, there should also be "hang this", for when you have something picked up, and you want to do something else before dropping it. < 1454808928 715758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't like drag/drop, there are better ways < 1454808968 235487 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1454808992 692858 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454809025 454539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, left button selects it and then you can push the middle button to put in something else < 1454809660 527171 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1454809725 471168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809729 524903 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809730 33250 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809772 78693 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809778 187986 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809782 247256 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809782 753540 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809812 111426 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454809814 10578 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809816 162531 JOIN :#esoteric > 1454809816 670849 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454809819 867331 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1454810215 619749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I modify the behaviour of widgets in Firefox? < 1454810421 732121 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.140.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454810447 259207 :morko44-en!~CLDM@110.139.9.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454810650 476476 :morko44-en!~CLDM@110.139.9.73 PART :#esoteric < 1454810695 901465 :Reece`!~Gremlin@host-92-13-209-151.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454811238 694529 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Code, probably. < 1454811500 346753 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've got the ELK ASM designed partially < 1454811544 723139 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have how you do functions down (function call PUSHes the current line index onto the stack then JMPs to the line that starts the function call, return POPs a value and CJMPs to that line) < 1454811575 533834 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's functions done, and I think even functional programming can be done with that if you do it right < 1454811586 834174 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have NFC how to implement classes < 1454811601 965711 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, classes that can be created at runtime and manipulated and such < 1454811775 202713 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&&&) < 1454811776 541521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow a => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') < 1454811796 377252 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do realize that OO isn't classes necessarily (prototypes, duh), but it'd be nice to be able to do classy things < 1454811802 442185 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: &&&? < 1454811821 555688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :categorically so. < 1454811854 871604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not relevant to anything you were saying) < 1454811858 12738 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah < 1454811862 260342 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was just about to ask xD < 1454811913 106050 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you have any idea how to implement classes- ones that can be thrown around and referenced anonymously and such (first class data, basically)- for a bytecode VM? < 1454811934 307980 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hth < 1454811937 879922 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1454812193 196073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found chrome://global/content/bindings/scrollbar.xml but am not quite sure what to do with that < 1454812269 397120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own designs of instruction set, the return from subroutine call is rather something like "POP PC" < 1454812427 225004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in QUACKVM the instruction to return from a subroutine call is "PUT ,,STACK" < 1454812650 122013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 6502 codes, one way to do computed jumps is by the "RTS trick" < 1454812656 572631 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Complex Minsky Machine. < 1454812656 742918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1454812930 758856 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1454812943 936031 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's just pushing the destination to the stack, then calling RTS, no? < 1454813021 577957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454813068 51408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is what it is yes, although the address pushed to stack is actually one less than the actual address < 1454813093 6483 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh there you are! < 1454813109 995835 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So JSR then < 1454813118 935445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks about the fact that "I'm here" is a tautology, and yet nonetheless a useful statement < 1454813200 975354 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you just disproved https://xkcd.com/703/ by counterexample < 1454813268 251509 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How about the return from a coroutine call? Or a semicoroutine call? < 1454813273 769695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: re your lambdabot message, minsky machines have increment and decrement as their basic operations, and those don't get any more interesting when complex numbers are involved < 1454813284 71555 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454813287 549030 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, are there any other kinds of routines besides sub and co (where sub is a co) < 1454813288 68127 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454813292 351261 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't think it would xD < 1454813297 830408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. the way I make esolangs is < 1454813299 469118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with an idea < 1454813305 161666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you follow that idea to its logical conclusion < 1454813320 303507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't add /anything/ that isn't a direct consequence of the idea unless it's needed to make the language usable for programming < 1454813323 221995 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know, I know. I'm just programmed to spit out any ideas I have. < 1454813333 380626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this doesn't necessarily lead to a tarpit < 1454813339 459907 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true < 1454813345 908713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1454813346 63380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the commands in Underload are unnecessary in terms of compuational class < 1454813354 464852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need them in order to make the language work as designed < 1454813363 83894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from arguably ~) < 1454813378 733445 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought "Why don't I make a Minsky Machine-based language that is made to look real enough to trick people into using it?" < 1454813384 22379 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I rememberd that's ASM < 1454813388 249966 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that I'm doing that right now. < 1454813432 468530 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would "A bytecode VM based on graph manipulation" be a good idea to start with? < 1454813449 336018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hmm < 1454813464 504495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created an esolang sort-of like that, but started with "all data is stored in one graph" < 1454813471 656948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and came up with http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome < 1454813504 453572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may hold the record for the unimplemented language with the most failed attempts to implement it < 1454813522 493812 :heroux!~heroux@80.112.131.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454813526 433067 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454813693 184155 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :至興舎若著蒸蔵蚕衆術裁装裏補製複視覧討訪 < 1454813693 712774 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :設訳証評詞誌認誕誠誤論諸講謝識警護財貧責 < 1454813837 943675 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is threading better done in-VM, or should it be a syscall thing? < 1454814427 500870 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am pretty sure Eodermdrome is implemented. in fact the page says so. < 1454814440 330635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1454814445 131524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall everr having seen the impl < 1454814460 36926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever test your eodermdrome program? < 1454814475 160392 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't downloaded any interpreters myself < 1454814498 654618 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i do recall someone on channel once saying that it worked < 1454814498 826989 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How does this look so far to you? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSUafKLvBMVqv-tPeDj4rk51CtHoIuKCIZprPb0KBdg/edit?usp=sharing < 1454814516 865977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a google doc, I have to jump through huge hoops to read those < 1454814563 256436 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh < 1454814576 945185 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll make a LaTeX or something < 1454814583 696078 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that jason from foxtrot in that xkcd strip < 1454814583 868552 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually, just an HTML < 1454814587 324232 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that'll work < 1454814610 808047 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://xkcd.com/703/) < 1454814722 933814 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain xkcd seems to think so < 1454814775 642312 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Would a simple html-only (well, also a bit of CSS) webpage work? < 1454814783 608376 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you behind 7 proxies? < 1454814803 851517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: simpe html-only would work fine < 1454814806 32605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of this as a joke word, but apparently it's a French word: https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/tautologue < 1454814806 336114 :heroux!~heroux@80.112.131.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454814816 234217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect HTML by itself would probably work, or even just plain text < 1454814825 744686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically have two problems: a) I have Google stuff blocked in my browser; b) I have lots of rich-content (including JS) blocked in my browser < 1454814835 718353 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah < 1454814836 152968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problems reading HTML on the vast majority of sites though < 1454814851 434322 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like to arrange things into nice tables, which is a huge pain with plaintext (not THAT huge, but still not fun) < 1454814866 679541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably don't even need CSS, although it can be used if necessary < 1454814873 416747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why Google? < 1454814901 697321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: partly because they're large enough to correlate a wide range of sites < 1454814919 635255 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I use it for making the table look nice < 1454814920 151023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus information they get from my web browsing is more valuable to them than the equivalent information would be for any other site < 1454814925 152002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus it costs me more to give it up < 1454815008 710828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the HTML command would work fine I expect < 1454815044 570200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that even part of modern HTML versions? < 1454815064 200047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that the border attribute's meant to be specified using css rather than as an XML/SGML-like attribute < 1454815088 968994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had no problem with it < 1454815125 831239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This table is doing so: http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php?do=list < 1454815133 209008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i
< 1454815156 538893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IIRC sadly it's not that simple :-( < 1454815170 234944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: most browsers understand all HTML versions including the really old ones < 1454815257 967915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use CSS to specify details of the border, but if you just want a border then that is what the BORDER=1 is for, it specify to use the default border if there is no CSS (different browsers and users may have different preference and way to display the default border, so a correct color and width and so on would be chosen to fit with the other defaults) < 1454815386 729854 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I seem to have gone back into development before I'm sending it to you xD < 1454815399 363495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1454815407 334835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep going until you've reached something you're happy with < 1454815419 182590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the 1 is a number, not a boolean < 1454815426 34952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, border=4 will often give a bigger border I think? < 1454815428 644926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1454815448 742250 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Should I give every node a single accumulator, or do you think that defeats the purpose? < 1454815462 647809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't have enough context to understand the question < 1454815468 197823 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, OK < 1454815487 372854 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hashes ais523's response to a boolean and treats "True" as yes and "False" as 0 < 1454815491 420047 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/no/ < 1454815494 709603 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1454815552 739523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It look it makes the outer border larger if you put high numbers, not the inner border? < 1454815588 545211 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll do a pointer-specific stack instead of node registers < 1454815605 600312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "cellspacing" and "cellpadding" control the details of the inner borer < 1454815622 429069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in old HTML versions < 1454815633 275593 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454815682 783103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ignore those and just use the default though, you can use CSS if you want more control over the table, but usually such thing is not needed < 1454816156 740803 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454816199 37524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most websites do too much CSSing < 1454816303 13793 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Here's what I have so far: http://206.174.0.58/graph_vm < 1454816306 567231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I also think so < 1454816322 931612 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could and will easily change when I realize that it has major flaws that make no sense < 1454816341 713461 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And there's some example code, too < 1454816345 517335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I have Stylish extension and can use to override the CSS of anything; if the webpage has no CSS already then I find it unnecessary to add some, but if there is some then usually it is wrong < 1454816359 575538 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoops < 1454816487 758947 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only form of conditional I have is FOLLOW, which does nothing if an edge doesn't exist xD. Probably useless, but it might just make Tarpit status < 1454816495 182457 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm lucky < 1454816681 85270 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how me asking if I should remake the doc in HTML evolved into a discussion about the merits of CSS and stuff xD < 1454817156 961587 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454817621 164117 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454817687 524736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you're using literals specified in the program for nodes, this means that the number of nodes you can have is limited by the size of the program < 1454817736 681275 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454817865 402371 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh right... < 1454817867 414967 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit... < 1454817913 319385 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How about "AUTONEWND/PUSH", which creates a new node with the first available ID and pushes its ID onto the call stack? < 1454817985 279689 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There, 0x09 is PNEWND < 1454818204 477726 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1454818247 379352 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454818786 852918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's more along the lines you should be thinking < 1454818798 496566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably get rid of any ability to specify numbers manually < 1454818806 847653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably also the pointer < 1454818820 236034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead have a sort of stack machine where the stack hold nodes < 1454818827 115551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can perform operations like connect, disconnect, follow, etc. on them < 1454818842 923411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I scared myself. My AV was scanning, and said it detected something, but wouldn't tell me what it was until the scan finished. Scan finished... it was the EICAR test file < 1454819038 559384 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perhaps < 1454819258 559905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, your antivirus works. < 1454819413 852280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you have the EICAR test file anyway? < 1454819593 594691 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want there to be a language whose definition is an interpreter for it, written in it. The interpreter allows you to modify it. < 1454819642 367877 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language behaves as if it were being interpreted as an infinite stack of interpreters, each interpreter faster than the one below it, so that it actually does stuff in a finite amount of time. < 1454819756 751781 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... the language is defined as a self-modifying self-interpreter. An actual implementation of the language has to somehow determine the meaning of any modified version of the self-interpreter. < 1454819833 813074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I downloaded it at some point recently I guess. < 1454819841 279632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know I like downloading it, I'm not sure why < 1454819857 664411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes me that that must be one of the hardest possible files to download < 1454819863 784216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as every competent antivirus will try to stop you < 1454819936 22520 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1454820047 584955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can confirm, literally just downloaded it and had the AV complain at me. < 1454820110 649881 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, my client has "AV" kerned. < 1454820265 535133 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the text in wikipedia and saved it to a text file < 1454820271 919268 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, you can always go to data:application/octet-stream;base64,WDVPIVAlQEFQWzRcUFpYNTQoUF4pN0NDKTd9JEVJQ0FSLVNUQU5EQVJELUFOVElWSVJVUy1URVNULUZJTEUhJEgrSCo= and get it. < 1454820274 274240 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My AV yelled at me < 1454820320 690496 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though data:application/octet-stream,X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* < 1454820324 76958 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be more reasonable < 1454820340 326974 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Modulo that not being a valid URI. Curses. < 1454820358 812939 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly AV < 1454820369 409624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09A09,04V < 1454820378 994575 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not, of course, kern that. < 1454820397 519076 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454820424 598852 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454820427 464844 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe this "language" would be a cellular automaton designed to have a particularly small unit cell. < 1454820665 908068 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one of its states would "break" the unit cell, putting it into a state where it can ultimately be arbitrarily modified. < 1454820714 311185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1454820730 376848 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now that people's logs contains that string, will they also be considered malware? < 1454820790 866447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now I made a RDF parser in JavaScript < 1454820851 449062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jZTO < 1454820913 575854 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know what would be harder? That file, repeated to fill 800 terabytes. < 1454820929 109226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well yes < 1454820937 988766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not much harder, you'd probably download a generator or compressed archive < 1454820966 589230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying you have to download the file directly < 1454820969 955039 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert one random byte after each copy. < 1454820979 263814 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... make it 80 petabytes instead. < 1454820988 794244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might as well have one copy of the file then 80 petabytes of random data < 1454820992 95258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it less compressible < 1454821013 36355 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, a naive implementation of my CA, whenever you use the breaker state, would simply "zoom in", to produce a state that doesn't use the breaker state. < 1454821019 3376 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454821048 431839 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would, in theory, work perfectly well for programs which don't have infinite regression in how they use that state. < 1454821105 602269 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1454821463 513217 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Insert a random byte at a random location in each one < 1454821474 649811 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, tswett: < 1454821481 322257 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either one works < 1454821487 912011 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that idea. < 1454821505 128810 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... for each copy, randomly select one of the bytes and then pick a random value for it. < 1454821512 532669 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasionally, it will randomly pick the correct value. < 1454821559 877719 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It'll have the correct string roughly 4294967296 times < 1454821568 989035 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1454821598 644489 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So that means that the compression is- wait. We're looking into ways to make files LESS compressible. Why? Why are we doing this? < 1454821604 57730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454821610 339386 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make them more difficult to download. < 1454821622 813218 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, I forgot to account for the 800 < 1454821639 992037 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3435973836800 < 1454821662 185340 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:32 compression ratio < 1454821671 995688 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it 32:1? I forget < 1454821698 771248 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't think your antivirus would even let you try to download an 800 TB file if it was competent < 1454821720 84427 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, your COMPUTER wouldn't let you download it because LIMITATIONS OF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS < 1454821819 463966 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1454821834 15030 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work, there's a "network drive" that's rather large. < 1454821838 426239 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See... < 1454821847 5953 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: My point is, we can do better at compression < 1454821853 495257 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two random bytes gives us < 1454821877 18221 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, worse < 1454821889 610064 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454821889 892430 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how nowadays, in the My Computer screen, each drive has a bar underneath indicating the disk usage? < 1454821902 374237 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, once disk usage exceeds a certain amount, that bar turns red? < 1454821909 162844 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know. I don't think 1:32 was right < 1454821915 618043 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes I knew the first part < 1454821919 387974 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this network drive, that bar turned red because it only had 70 terabytes of free space left. < 1454821921 158040 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've never reached too much disk < 1454821930 699068 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooooow < 1454821952 98309 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft, don't use percentages. It's not really scalable. < 1454821976 77341 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A yottabyte of free space on a 100 yottabyte drive is more than enough free space < 1454822029 112908 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're downloading the entirety of internet porn. Then you're fucked. < 1454822030 421341 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://cow.org/csi/) < 1454822066 894080 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there enough storage on the planet for that? < 1454822188 905485 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: No, which seems paradoxical until you see what martians are into < 1454822197 902029 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not, internet porn is infinite < 1454822242 195379 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If it exists, there is porn of it in the meta < 1454822250 706416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rule 1156) < 1454822283 127256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's porn of it on the internet. the meta contains even porn of things that _don't_ exist hth < 1454822321 206375 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot IPU action < 1454823180 778926 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1454823214 313293 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454823452 595210 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think displaying that warning for 70 terabytes of free space kind of makes sense. < 1454823470 109431 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, pretend that there are 1,000 people at work who use this drive. < 1454823474 567371 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 70 gigabytes apiece. < 1454823584 26484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454824325 813524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454824404 258834 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eva report while flying in Kerbin's upper atmosphere < 1454824419 476440 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You feel like you should really get back in the ship" < 1454824472 48728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454824652 600528 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454824827 905556 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Fair enough < 1454824920 568055 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1454825131 918498 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1454825240 24975 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1454825257 699159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454825326 423947 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1454825444 154237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454825544 764047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1454825629 159389 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454825641 554675 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454825861 23559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454826143 261395 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acrpqibngzpjbevl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454826436 351169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454826582 682006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454827292 417159 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454829426 130864 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454829443 756790 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I set up a standard protocol for internal server communication between people who like /classic/ internet < 1454829466 568383 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that works in a terminal (or, for the client I made, a terminal-like GUI) and has custom external servers < 1454829492 176722 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically like a stripped-down website, coupled with a command line < 1454829495 445689 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here would use it? < 1454829552 985543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how the protocol is work first, and then people would decide. < 1454829889 870031 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454830439 821789 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apollo guidance computer has a very strange terminology < 1454830487 317169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just played a Simpsons arcade game in NewRetroArcade (which uses MAME)' < 1454830503 220393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these things just designed to suck in money the way mobile games do today? < 1454830606 313029 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1454830641 708293 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much so. < 1454830707 569625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if having free coins ruins any ability to learn to play well, or if there's not that high of a skill ceiling < 1454830776 503080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1454831578 15640 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454831611 637327 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454832040 910616 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah, yes < 1454832247 466763 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think you're describing a BBS < 1454832260 928772 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Whihc is? < 1454832276 503905 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBS was like a website but you interacted with it directly with telnet < 1454832341 131805 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1454832341 914490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still exists, and there are several software for hosting such, such as Synchronet < 1454832343 322191 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1454832359 617587 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system < 1454832366 651619 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thing I made is pretty cool. It's very versatile, at least in theory. < 1454832387 653148 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to see if I can trick anyone into hosting it and feeling like a 1337 h4xx0r < 1454832416 762775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originally Synchronet was only for telephone lines, but now it supports Telnet, Rlogin, SSH, Gopher, HTTP, and FTP, as well as telephone lines; it also now also supports JavaScript. < 1454832450 550017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I believe it also supports SMTP, NNTP, and IRC as well.) < 1454832459 623823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also FidoNet) < 1454832492 49094 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: A typical session in what I've made may look like this: http://pastebin.com/nQB3TaUp < 1454832542 933736 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1454832553 877655 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm visitor #23 to a thing I just got working xd < 1454832555 503499 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD < 1454832670 370290 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better example: http://pastebin.com/xRnvGfJk < 1454832681 493652 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also SSH to some degree. < 1454832689 584179 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it only works in its own little silo < 1454832833 264099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if Synchronet supports ES6 yet, although they ought to make it to do so, and also to fix the API to work better with ES6 (for example to read a file into a ArrayBuffer). < 1454832867 492388 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that it's a personal server, something you leave hosted as a hobby and through which you disseminate information < 1454832901 504596 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps some blogging could be done on it- but, like, super awesome blogging because it's not a website, it's a terminal < 1454832917 17203 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that lame weblogging < 1454832929 365573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although many programs can be run even just as a personal server that you can leave hosted as a hobby < 1454832985 853109 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: True, true < 1454832989 849475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including real BBS servers, and gopher and HTTP servers (I know that someone runs a combination HTTP and gopher server that they wrote themself in BASIC) < 1454833003 708307 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I want to make mine somehow special. Not sure how though xD < 1454833031 156387 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1454833063 818251 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454834958 192150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1454835278 441390 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1454835507 546605 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454835788 533859 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1454836690 919442 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1454837477 639579 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454838198 590995 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.140.91 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1454838325 573688 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f90b:ac04:9b43:1dda QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1454839154 72114 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :54 is 42's double convergence point over sqrt < 1454839161 957984 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 55 < 1454840036 402816 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454840118 938927 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454840446 665204 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1454842527 131415 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454843996 537713 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.140.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454844378 563480 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1454845208 21577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CBF (Cleverer Brainfuck)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46366&oldid=41963 5* 03SEnergy 5* (+19) 10 < 1454845316 484021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CBF (Cleverer Brainfuck)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46367&oldid=46366 5* 03SEnergy 5* (+20) 10 < 1454845357 994682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by those edits. < 1454845376 89456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CBF (Cleverer Brainfuck)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46368&oldid=46367 5* 03SEnergy 5* (-10302) 10Blanked the page < 1454845507 188982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess they want to delete an article they wrote? < 1454845701 836952 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they just wanted to blank the page < 1454845722 544392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two edits added templates that don't exist on our wiki, but do on Wikipedia. < 1454845736 853350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First being a "speedy deletion by author request", and the second some sort of generic delete template. < 1454845753 298438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing blanking the page was a fallback option. < 1454847241 898268 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy how you can make a bachelor thesis out of this < 1454847927 169506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "fit butt" bachelor's thesis, mind you. < 1454847972 456889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this thesis, author discusses and analyzes design flaws of experimental programming language Brainfuck, for which he suggests solution in form of extension of original language. Then he formaly defines this extension and implements its interpret and debugger." < 1454848000 36102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it's in a language I don't read. < 1454848051 931556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends challenged me to do my thesis on brainfuck, mostly so I could get away with writing fuck a lot in a master's thesis < 1454848055 716269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One (of the four) references is to esolangs.org. :) < 1454848058 109209 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll take up his challenge < 1454848289 31730 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1454848305 225404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also references esolangs.org a lot in my thesis < 1454848308 944481 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454848354 442880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1454848367 24219 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1454848515 233771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: what was your thesis on? < 1454848548 500029 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexing of 2d languages < 1454848719 205683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thesis refers [1] the Aho, Ullman, Lam "Compilers" book; [2] Böhm, C., On a family of Turing machines and the related programming languages, [3] esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck, [4] Rosenberg and Saloma, Handbook of Formal Languages. < 1454848775 174489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also not sure if i would÷ve called bf "experimental" < 1454848785 530725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its properties "design flaws". < 1454848817 942744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly unsure whether it's appropriate to have Feeney, S. listed as the (sole) author of the Brainfuck article. < 1454848914 882513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's graue, who did write the first revision, but it's got a number of contributors since.) < 1454849005 625285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: interesting! Is it available on the internet to read? < 1454849024 513281 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it is written in german :p < 1454849049 699562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds unfortunate for me, a monolingual, to read < 1454849050 725753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1454849092 793587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it'd be fine if you were monolingual in german < 1454849106 609031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think I am, for some reason < 1454849138 296846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wait, you mean all these years you were actually trying to speak english? < 1454849145 677269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1454849155 24132 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you get that idea < 1454849159 602253 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454849174 803916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like plain-as-day Tanebese to me. < 1454849298 441448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that part of the same language family of zzo38an? < 1454849321 46952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: common misassumption. There's a lot of false friends between the two < 1454849395 606407 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454851655 553122 :Reece`!~Gremlin@host-92-13-209-151.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454853112 18748 :benderpc_!~benderpc@59.189.181.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454854192 823400 :Treio!~Treio@87.244.233.250 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1454855408 589148 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454856467 663982 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1454857072 663139 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-10.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1454857123 763345 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1454857142 716838 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454857415 129455 :benderpc_!~benderpc@59.189.181.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1454857655 615632 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454857695 519479 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454857881 893948 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1] since when are we misleading the topics? everything makes sense, eh? < 1454857882 42756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1454859104 396402 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :Quit: Let's jump! < 1454859276 478906 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1454860019 698135 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1454860038 321273 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454861533 624347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454862874 233218 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-094-060.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1454862910 94866 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-094-060.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1454862929 863078 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ubzulixpghubuejf QUIT :Excess Flood < 1454863056 266523 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mttkpahfjrsqvsds JOIN :#esoteric < 1454864466 726329 :Reece`!~Gremlin@host-92-13-209-151.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1454865331 524969 :tjt263_!~RAPSCA77I@124-148-196-55.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1454866132 500706 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1454866949 399327 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1454866966 799130 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1454866974 406439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hovercraft/a-é-ro-g-liss-e-ur. If you mention eels, you'll get smacked with one of them in a most unappropriate manner. < 1454867085 312715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eel < 1454867086 482762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1454867257 218145 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454867288 897596 :tjt263_!~RAPSCA77I@124-148-196-55.dyn.iinet.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1454868062 694819 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT : < 1454868147 644514 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eely mapoles int-e < 1454868180 264327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a party involving biologists, electrical engineers and trouts. < 1454868238 684896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? y < 1454868239 643237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this. < 1454868413 983076 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454868415 547551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :80) fungot!*@* added to ignore list. AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack. < 1454868418 205333 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454868418 448072 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454868418 688700 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454868418 929433 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454868433 784732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 is great < 1454868436 634440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the other four < 1454868442 858169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1007) in soviet russia, what sees you is what gets you < 1454868443 190418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: In an alternate universe, I would say "In an alternate universe, ehird has taste" < 1454868443 332837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :415) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly < 1454868445 903215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :84) Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making. < 1454868470 819967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the last three < 1454868479 702217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1007 is me trying too hard to be funny but it's still better than the last three < 1454868507 36698 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1454868524 649593 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is elliott these days? < 1454868546 96030 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metasepia < 1454868549 714775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia knew the weather at your nearest airport, and also something about ducks. < 1454868551 661392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stopped turning up < 1454868558 575763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel regulars tend not to stay forever < 1454868705 45029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1454868716 985799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal < 1454868735 613952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you are right, quote 80 is great < 1454868750 460700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would I put fungot on ignore as well? < 1454868750 639733 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i plan to write a number < 1454868766 948713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: people were abusing it at the time, and you were more sensitive back then to spam in the channel < 1454868787 570764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well I was in it for a start, probably had something to do with it < 1454868830 228303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : just stopped turning up <-- no elliott any more? :( < 1454868864 291101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wonder why hexchat thinks the ping time is 30 seconds all the time... < 1454868872 508315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It clearly isn't < 1454868913 701195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal_ < 1454868920 931857 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1454868926 923248 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... I just looked at nickserv info since I haven't been on here for some time. < 1454868928 636805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- User reg. : Dec 26 16:35:03 2005 (10y 6w 3d ago) < 1454868930 568261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1454868944 942784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time flies < 1454869031 672606 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quot < 1454869032 585808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quot: not found < 1454869032 728191 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454869033 236185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454869033 602771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1008) LIST OF ACRONYMS: List Integrating Some Terminology Of Fine Authentic Credibility Relating to Our New Year Media System < 1454869033 745107 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454869034 121745 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454869034 264181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :54) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies < 1454869034 635159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :814) I was hoping I could be like other people and listen to signals while in a public transport vehicle. < 1454869034 861200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :812) i love how allegedly wine can run all of these different programs but the only one i can actually run is starcraft i think wine may secretly be a cleanroom reimplementation of starcraft < 1454869036 678914 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1454869037 870277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1082) it's not weird, it's even in alphabetical order and nicely formatted! < 1454869050 341166 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1454869055 694182 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1454869157 183415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`find . -name quotes < 1454869158 42729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `. -name quotes': No such file or directory < 1454869160 762025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find . -name quotes < 1454869170 545301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/quotes \ ./quotes < 1454869182 345367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sort ./quotes | head < 1454869183 376970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. \ [2008] i'm testing Haiku and it appears that it is a major shit 5+7+5, not 5+11, nooga \ me thinks fungot is high on crack adu: not exactly something like that. bu < 1454869218 736510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sort ./quotes | head -n 20 | sed 's/(....................).*/\1/' < 1454869219 616331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 30: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS < 1454869227 427698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sort ./quotes | head -n 20 | sed 's/\(....................\).*/\1/' < 1454869228 264100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:07 Sgeo has quit \ [2008] i'm t \ me thinks fung \ [After a long monolo \ [after a long string \ [after a quote delet \ 99% OF USES \ after all, \ after a whi \ also, why i \ and then I \ bleh, why d \ btw, I fina \ * ais523 challenges \ ais523, the lib dems < 1454869407 787189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that one's only funny if you're either British, or following British politics < 1454869533 331315 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really good though < 1454869544 774009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1454869554 597942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context makes it slightly better but it's funny even without < 1454869796 420064 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1454869952 511933 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454870284 682441 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1454870530 686077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, when I play the Simpsons arcade game, am I reducing my skill level by giving it as many coins as I want, or is that pretty much inevitable because they want my money? < 1454870551 806022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's MAME, I have free coins >.> ) < 1454870706 80725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to win with as few coins as possible I suppose. But if you fail, it mean you can try again without spending extra money, now < 1454870796 557653 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1454871086 504933 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1454872317 623356 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-10.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1454872569 789139 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intentionally avoid all politics < 1454872583 817950 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't change anything, and all it does is make me mad...so why bother? < 1454872710 898818 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thqt's not quite ture < 1454872769 713775 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least Wikipedia seems sufficient to explain the joke :) < 1454872797 742314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wc quotes < 1454872801 285957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1264 25410 152033 quotes < 1454872827 577050 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change things if you're at the start of a change that is already ready to go, like when public opinion has changed but the govt hasn't caught up < 1454872882 379524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1454872883 592884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie/I like pie \ I like pie < 1454872891 993520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1454872893 140080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine/`? quine < 1454872900 26947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine < 1454872900 877718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? quine < 1454872966 799550 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for politics making you mad, the trick is to only follow other countries' politis closely < 1454872994 155245 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :Quit: Let's jump! < 1454873003 57280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: right, I'm following the current US electoin < 1454873007 538962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for the entertainment value < 1454873014 535602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the quote predates the 2015 general elections? < 1454873017 296231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? US election < 1454873018 218309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :US election? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1454873022 851661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? election < 1454873023 899733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :election? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1454873033 710027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not sure < 1454873038 154320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be funny either way but for different reasons < 1454873046 588346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1454873098 112441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-02-26-raw.txt:< 1361904098 931888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION challenges the americans here to remember who lost in the most recent UK general election < 1454873114 727386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK yes < 1454873120 689737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's better because it's less obvious < 1454873126 696726 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1454873126 838986 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1454873127 667120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that election, it is) < 1454873130 461830 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hampstershire primaries are tommorrow < 1454873206 841741 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely the winners will be the commie and the fasist < 1454873218 339661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting things being a) the victory margin for sanders on the democratic side, and b) whatever is going on with the republicans < 1454873233 567813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair the republican side is more interesting because I can't believe any of them are electable < 1454873243 509299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sed was a complicated way to type cut -c 1-20. < 1454873248 556857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's interesting to see which crazy direction they go in < 1454873256 434442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can never quite remember how cut works and the man page wouldn't fit on IRC < 1454873279 575531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` man cut < 1454873280 960343 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure trump, once he gets nominated, is suddenly going to veer left on some issues he's avoided talking about < 1454873281 135780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1454873289 973882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: or even on ones he has < 1454873306 439733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an election at a society I was in where someone ran as a joke candidate and gave bizarre speeches < 1454873314 640989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then admitted that if they'd won, they'd have tried to do the job sensibly and properly < 1454873325 694275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just were trying to make the elections themselves more interesting and contested < 1454873364 224485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :trump's unpredictable < 1454873403 32870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi! < 1454873465 893240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think he will "do the job sensibly and properly" though < 1454873477 318628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can only remember the "-c N-M" variant. < 1454873479 235718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hi. < 1454873517 611545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: weird, I can only remember the cut -d' ' -f N-M variant < 1454873519 145903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1454873531 312289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does paste have any options at all? < 1454873542 926136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it is gnu, yes < 1454873546 41313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I link it up with expand in order to place the columns in more readable positions < 1454873555 863652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at the very least --help and --copyright < 1454873559 491453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or --version or something < 1454873567 432093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. < 1454873567 574408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : -d, --delimiters=LIST reuse characters from LIST instead of TABs < 1454873567 574478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : -s, --serial paste one file at a time instead of in parallel < 1454873567 574501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : --help display this help and exit < 1454873568 331036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : --version output version information and exit < 1454873569 830104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has -d and -s but neither seems that useful < 1454873594 909390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what does -s even do? read the files one at a time, and then paste as normal? < 1454873601 684758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't -s just cat? < 1454873610 341893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used paste, what does normal paste do? < 1454873653 487286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, put each file side by side < 1454873752 761320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the opposite of cut < 1454873778 698088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try man 1p paste, it sheds more light on the options < 1454873784 194001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather confusing options but < 1454873807 663417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a section 1p < 1454873813 17250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's posix presumably? < 1454873847 667735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Concatenate all of the lines of each separate input file in command line order. The of every line except the last line in each input file shall be replaced with the , unless otherwise specified by the -d option." < 1454873847 916116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is the posix docs split in man pages < 1454873858 158613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, according to the info page, -s basically transposes the output < 1454873885 616152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install manpages-posix (for 1p) and apt-get install manpages-posix-dev (for 3p) < 1454873896 28428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I found those packages really useful < 1454873919 407579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, was just doing that < 1454873923 120118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it could come in handy < 1454873930 663837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably there isn't a 2p because posix doesn't specify syscalls?) < 1454873975 667143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently -d and -s interact in weird ways < 1454874000 185090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: though there are some pages in 2 that have corresponding 3p but no 3 < 1454874022 478405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is a case of splitting between libc and syscalls differently? < 1454874053 595294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, this makes it much easier to get things like the yacc spec < 1454874061 13250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: could be < 1454874070 908467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"open" is in 3p < 1454874083 193214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine many POSIX systems where that wouldn't be a syscall < 1454874084 200450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that is an example of that < 1454874091 462431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably 3p just contains all the stuff that's meant to be in libc < 1454874099 909391 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so yes < 1454874114 437820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is no 5p or 7p iirc < 1454874128 890322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is in 4, 6, 8 and 9 anyway? < 1454874133 486083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at man man < 1454874141 558166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1454874168 238128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is for things like /dev/null < 1454874171 127440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 is games < 1454874179 5218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like nethack presumably? < 1454874180 382126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 and 8 are both executables that people didn't want in 1 for whatever reason < 1454874188 430723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it only goes up to 8 < 1454874198 685914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some people use 9 for weird nonstandard things, I think) < 1454874211 792399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the numeric splitting to begin with? < 1454874217 246839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't very intuitive at all < 1454874235 439269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't say cmd/ sys/ lib/ and so on make more sense < 1454874239 548500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chapters of the manual < 1454874240 958161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is fine and use the numeric splitting < 1454874246 446823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally this was a printed book < 1454874250 526109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the original UNIX manual I guess? < 1454874252 418421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the option to read bits online < 1454874261 469716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes more sense then < 1454874270 877875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has headings and footers and the like, although people are often unsure about what to put there < 1454874297 21660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put zorkmid in section 6, and playmod in section 1 < 1454874326 114563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1454874432 547848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the point of /dev/full... < 1454874469 928327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: testing the error handling of your programs < 1454874492 740734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding "> /dev/full" to the end of your command line is a trivial way to see if your program handles errors printing output correctly < 1454874493 922421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, but it is utterly crude... < 1454874499 892855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is one specific error < 1454874542 299579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it it fails to EBADF instead? EDQUOT? < 1454874555 729149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proper fault simulator might be more useful < 1454874569 719930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seem to remember that the sqlite guys made something like that < 1454874581 83785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did < 1454874591 147111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the vast majority of programs don't care about the specific error code < 1454874598 913688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even in cases where they should (e.g. EINTR, EAGAIN) < 1454874607 595519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the error recovery might be different < 1454874653 138005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if the sqlite thing is reusable for other projects < 1454875124 113899 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acrpqibngzpjbevl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1454875275 319645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that AmigaMML with > /dev/full seems to work OK (although it will not write the song anywhere), although input from /dev/null results in a floating point exception. < 1454875871 66041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The thesis publication thingie wanted a back cover text. < 1454875950 536834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: I keep getting porn ad spam in Swedish at the 'webmaster' role address of gehennom.org. < 1454875959 893608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you own gehennom.org? < 1454875964 911210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1454875976 359050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, it appears to duplicate content of zem.fi < 1454875981 719927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, yes. < 1454875985 456457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been different as well. < 1454875988 854062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to run a public nethack server once. < 1454876039 116128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been thinking of putting something nethack-related (some sort of data visualization stuffs, maybe) up there, but haven't. < 1454876051 294204 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvxrwgygrstwviqj JOIN :#esoteric < 1454876155 976950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I think I hosted darkhive as a subdomain of gehennom.org. < 1454876252 204808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1454876344 665174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: darkhive? < 1454876412 418795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unofficial archive of a discussion forum with a name starting with d -- hence, "d-arkhive". < 1454876426 482553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the quality content, maybe the "dark-hive" split is appropriate as well. < 1454876442 650030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1454876579 630209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me how to set up the email so that it uses different user name for messages received from internet than local messages? < 1454876618 286665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should at least stick in some sort of a more nethacky placeholder on that thing, rather than have it just be a (probably broken somehow; at least the TLS cert is wrong) copy of zem.fi. It got to be like that just because I migrated to lighttpd and didn't bother to configure in name-based vhosts. < 1454876707 712527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lighttpd is still alive? < 1454876716 143696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was all nginx these days < 1454876755 980479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much development effort it gets, but they do at least fix issues. < 1454876767 666015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, I should should upgrade nginx to a version supporting HTTP2, some day < 1454876785 538597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently debian backports only has the version right before the HTTP2 one < 1454876788 261306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying < 1454876803 804288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should upgrade it to a version supporting QUIC, be all even fancier. Except I don't think there is a version to do that. < 1454876815 499955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1454876824 713403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that UDP? < 1454876826 676543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1454876848 859538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much a mapping of HTTP/2 on UDP. < 1454876964 298316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1454876989 408171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Round-trip times, roughly defined by the speed of light, are bounded, and as a result the only way to decrease connection latency is to make fewer round-trips." < 1454876998 331313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoting wikipedia on QUIC < 1454877006 398297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1454877007 826225 :tjt263__!~RAPSCA77I@124-148-196-183.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1454877033 4848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are not even close to the point of the propagation delay being the limiting factor for most connections < 1454877051 560358 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just compare ping over ethernet and wifi to see that < 1454877098 30918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a bit of a silly comment. The reason QUIC cares about round-trips is because RTTs on mobile networks are awful. < 1454877108 669338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1454877114 34988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much awful-er than mandated by the speed of light, that is. < 1454877139 960137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also we should dig cables straight through earth, that way imagine how much less the delay to Australia will be < 1454877181 51375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original source for that comment is probably from a Chromium blog post: "However, despite increasing bandwidth, round trip time (RTT)--which is ultimately bounded by the speed of light--is not decreasing, and will remain high on mobile networks for the foreseeable future." < 1454877188 119250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of ethernet, why does ethernet connectors generally have status leds, for both connection and data. And why doesn't, say, USB also have that? < 1454877188 744730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the bounded-by-c was just an aside. < 1454877201 374388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.chromium.org/2013/06/experimenting-with-quic.html < 1454877204 794953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1454877288 905097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw this laptop gets much more stable ping times when using 2.4 GHz than when using 5 GHz. To the same access point. This does not apply to other devices connected to the same access point. I wonder what is going on < 1454877425 924252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :issues with your adapter driver? < 1454877753 20527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: possibly? It is an old intel adapter < 1454877765 850411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cIntel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection < 1454877778 580085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where that c came from, it wasn't supposed to be there < 1454877799 621046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the laptop is quite old. About 6.5 years I think < 1454877806 124458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a Core 2 Duo < 1454878775 331981 :tjt263__!~RAPSCA77I@124-148-196-183.dyn.iinet.net.au NICK :V3R4X < 1454879012 577526 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454879445 505276 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :*.net *.split < 1454879445 980252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1454879454 752791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1454879641 21922 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1454879732 788152 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1454880320 120058 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-122-10.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1454880758 594450 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-122-10.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454880929 537881 :augur!~augur@2602:306:37f6:6af0:c8f2:e515:654a:c3b3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454882228 446574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my idea of "HTCLS"? (Like ARIA, it would also be a set of HTML attribute with their own prefixes, although they have different purposes and meanings from ARIA. However, it can be combined with ARIA and other stuff too.) < 1454883004 138149 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.140.91 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1454883328 396383 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need a cable thruough the earth if we can do it with a neutrino beam < 1454884036 514201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1454884296 289047 :augur!~augur@2602:306:37f6:6af0:c8f2:e515:654a:c3b3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454885018 695546 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1454885642 132313 :augur!~augur@2602:306:37f6:6af0:1c14:e370:c476:1098 JOIN :#esoteric < 1454885789 834866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1454885790 108159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 072250Z 22019G29KT 9999 -SHRA FEW006CB BKN015 08/07 Q0985 RESHGR RESHRA RERA TEMPO 4800 RA BKN010 < 1454885806 413202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I... guess they want to delete an article they wrote? <-- maybe the thesis didn't pass < 1454885816 570652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's listed as successfully defended. < 1454885819 466568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: RESHGR RESHRA RERA. < 1454885821 173161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1454885825 744684 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1454885836 964277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metar. < 1454885842 230992 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1454885842 526693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 072250Z 25007KT 220V280 9999 FEW045 03/02 Q0977 RMK WIND 670FT 23010KT < 1454885852 632441 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today we have vicious ice < 1454885855 763675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WIND", what's that supposed to mean. < 1454885859 716388 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it got my knee) < 1454885882 715568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shall we delete it? < 1454885905 190293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? I don't know what the common practice is. < 1454885926 920038 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my initial predisposition is "yes", unless the language is particularly interesting. it's a BF derivative after all. < 1454885929 925671 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1454885947 156762 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i've deleted by author request before, as has ais523. < 1454885965 680698 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well, i'm going ahead. < 1454885977 417758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. And no, I don't think it's any kind of crazy-notable. < 1454885980 515094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02CBF (Cleverer Brainfuck)10]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "{{delete| reason }} {{db-g7}} {{db-g7}}==Introduction== Programming language '''CBF''' was developed by Marcel Fiala, student of FIT BUT. This project started as procrastination, but turned out to be solid base for author..." < 1454886031 940418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're at it... https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Related_languages "LecRAM" points to a redirect to "CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck) < 1454886033 452642 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting, it showed the content of the revision i was looking at, not the blanked one. < 1454886046 696069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a redirect to CBF, which you just deleted. < 1454886049 756345 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have that in another tab, as i got a warning from the delete button. < 1454886060 317745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy. < 1454886073 619240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki is smart! < 1454886102 911917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02LecRAM10]]": Broken redirect: content was: "#REDIRECT [[CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck)]]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/SEnergy|SEnergy]]") < 1454886108 715147 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all thanks to the delete button < 1454886145 862042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46369&oldid=46359 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-13) 10Going whole hog < 1454886178 215469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46370&oldid=46317 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-138) 10*Poof* < 1454886274 577950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck)10]]": Broken redirect: content was: "#REDIRECT [[CBF (Cleverer Brainfuck)]]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]]") < 1454886278 411335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more for the road. < 1454886285 509404 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS GETTING TO THAT < 1454886292 131205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO SLOW < 1454886356 936716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46371&oldid=44836 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-30) 10no such link *MWAHAHAHA* < 1454886450 14984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what we need... an editor war < 1454886459 34503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. We have 291 orphaned pages, claims Special:LonelyPages. Is that altogether right? < 1454886465 757002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't count categories. < 1454886502 509839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :under that assumption it's plausible < 1454886603 486799 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: FLIGHT CHICKEN < 1454886604 529493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1454886657 35800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these are not categorized, though. < 1454886674 542023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After clicking at maybe five, two were "actual languages" (FSVO) that seem to be entirely orphan. < 1454886679 163816 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks the language list for mis-sorting and broken links < 1454886684 3722 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :found none < 1454886747 206854 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not be able to keep up with the wiki, but at least i can keep things in order < 1454886890 952368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aejnor is our hero! < 1454886993 725036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . map sort . words $ "i refrained from sorting the other words as well" < 1454886995 255171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "i adeefinrr fmor ginorst eht ehort dorsw as ellw" < 1454887016 474148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was probably a good thing :) < 1454887236 317103 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that particular sentence might have been readable < 1454887257 145541 :augur!~augur@2602:306:37f6:6af0:1c14:e370:c476:1098 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454887265 433944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, maybe < 1454887308 848722 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Ginorst is eht aillpr fo dgoo iikw aaeegmmnnt. < 1454887320 810097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ginorst': Ginorst is eht aillpr fo dgoo iikw aaeegmmnnt. < 1454887337 911994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . map sort . words $ "common and short words help a lot ( not tremendously )" < 1454887339 366829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cmmnoo adn horst dorsw ehlp a lot ( not deelmnorstuy )" < 1454887356 13724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. "horst" doesn't work at all. < 1454887386 844117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get aillpr < 1454887395 866725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pillar < 1454887406 568049 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1454887412 400528 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**AAAAHHHMW < 1454887413 79808 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue what that means < 1454887427 80736 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be the problem < 1454887436 622792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :free speech is a pillar of democracy < 1454887507 678232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked it up, makes sense < 1454887553 533301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (c : r) = c : g (reverse r); g (c : r) = reverse (c : (reverse . sort $ r)); g [] = [] in unwords . map f . words $ "on the other hand, sorting only the insides of words is perfectly readable, as usual" < 1454887555 110250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "on the oehtr hadn, sinortg olny the ideinss of wdors is pceeflrty raabdeel,... < 1454887567 881899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe pceeflrty is a bit too strong a word here. < 1454887596 614742 :augur!~augur@99-127-102-175.lightspeed.ftldfl.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1454887598 212825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to object indeed. < 1454887628 489719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the "skyline" theory for the middle part. And again, words shouldn't be too long. < 1454887646 274633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I got it a bit wrong with respect to punctuation that's attached to a word.) < 1454887672 753418 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i hate these people saying the order of letters don't matter because of one single text example that is crappy < 1454887693 206191 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "on the oehtr hadn, sinortg olny the ideinss of wdors is pceeflrty raabdeel,... Well, maybe pceeflrty is a bit too strong a word here. < 1454887698 476566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "oh well it could be worse" < 1454887698 621017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1265) "on the oehtr hadn, sinortg olny the ideinss of wdors is pceeflrty raabdeel,... Well, maybe pceeflrty is a bit too strong a word here. < 1454887699 900931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : " bcdeeehilllooorstuww" < 1454887718 978988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 10 < 1454887723 93645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :löytämästorista horstuvaltaneva teorgani luonivisevin käytyvimme temmenenne lohkerampanasi tuntiinisimpinänsä hutevälleen mainassammassa < 1454887744 753210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10 < 1454887748 878044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maricklumberen dasungs ster inters einlichkeitplastis botersatione kriederussena beppe hauployanitunt irrestütze < 1454887773 811331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Einlichkeitplastis sounds quite believable. < 1454887781 30763 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1454887789 336210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Meaningless, but pretty plausible. < 1454887800 478495 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is pretty unpopular as suffix for nouns < 1454887806 341072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: come on, reinlichkeitsfimmel exists! < 1454887815 878549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is :) < 1454887818 450234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10 < 1454887820 148591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinsmation punktionsbehand vermöglichs westandeformation analbesich morpolyphulz bögeneichtsfessenstisch verlandric reprädetes erdasjahrenschirnlei < 1454887825 94551 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for things like diseases or the like < 1454887840 571001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bögeneichtsfessenstisch" is a good one. < 1454887842 930610 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1454887866 330662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like westandeformation < 1454887912 52613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there a list of languages that `words supports? < 1454887916 671097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1454887920 756084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plunarwing < 1454887931 853281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help < 1454887934 34473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1454888000 552250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l < 1454888001 393139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M < 1454888027 217816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german-medical 10 < 1454888028 232751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mukopempfnekräfte leukämischacharisch atologie resien protisches mulinsäuresens peräume hypotrologisch röntgenenalgie diffusiereudoall < 1454888037 215310 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --ogerman 10 < 1454888038 473729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bildunstum konträhnt gefahrei durchaltern megesch motokaltung getriebsjagdmauen aufzufunkt elegere unisblätzent < 1454888051 124960 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference < 1454888080 580574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-fiction 10 < 1454888085 550382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comme que corr exel ascenta mic monotie nett cada coff < 1454888094 384457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1454888111 842619 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fictional english is a lot more concise < 1454888117 875569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --esolangs 10 < 1454888119 583607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpos aura fooblecogscript vrejvax hell fullmachine thubi liorse noobare anoilog < 1454888122 212388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_orthography_reform_of_1996 is the difference. < 1454888129 520533 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1454888142 821673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming it's the same naming convention as Debian ispell packages.) < 1454888162 766880 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/words < 1454888163 485383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #wa < 1454888190 753127 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls share/*ord* < 1454888191 729340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/dict-words \ \ share/WordData: \ Brazilian \ Bulgarian \ CanadianEnglishInsane \ Catalan \ Eng1M \ EngAll \ EngFiction \ EngGb \ EngUs \ Esolangs \ Finnish \ French \ Gaelic \ German \ GermanMedical \ Hebrew \ Irish \ Italian \ Manx \ Norwegian \ Ogerman \ Polish \ Portuguese \ Russian \ Spanish \ Swedish < 1454888212 905687 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf germanmedical < 1454888223 921420 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`head share/WordData/Eng1M < 1454888224 799101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pst012345678.............e....n....a.... ....d....m....s....'....ss6........e....u....a....t...rb .............eW...........n....a ..........rt.......... ....s....y...........c...........k....'...........o..........t....quy........щ....т....н....тоя. < 1454888247 957792 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph no readable header < 1454888248 274966 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german-medical 10 < 1454888249 294679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equenzblätte tochichten kards nebendemen zonswundes oxativ axilocandler abdomeratische periopationens inhibierendem < 1454888251 468490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pst0 < 1454888253 100039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pst0? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1454888254 613656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/htcls < 1454888262 719253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are great < 1454888274 49820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package: wgerman-medical (20160103-1): "This package provides the file /usr/share/dict/german-medical containing a list of German medical words." < 1454888314 505058 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it do that? rnn or the like? < 1454888330 728662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character trigrams or 4-grams, I forget which. < 1454888339 254833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing fancier than that. < 1454888369 392399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus some futzing for the word length modeling, I think. < 1454888577 967306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used fungot's system for doing the same, but the Funge code isn't capable of bunching the letters together, there's a hardcoded space between tokens (with some special handling for punctuation). < 1454888578 148801 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm just not too well. why? because advanced ircbots will need it < 1454888587 148188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm sorry to hear that. < 1454888587 371879 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but i might send the gauche guys a mail with my name in the alist, right? it would be < 1454888604 924891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, I think that's fine. < 1454888605 70338 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: way to miss the bus because of that: < 1454888736 144820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The WordData/* files are Perl's "Storable" encoding.) < 1454889251 965527 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric