00:00:16 shachaf: oh so it's from tswett's network 00:00:40 shachaf: I did think of rho expressions, which are like lambda expressions but based on the rho calculus 00:00:57 myname brought up #define when I mentioned it 00:01:04 first-class preprocessing xD 00:02:35 `le/rn last-class function/A last-class function is a function that cannot be passed as an argument, accept a function as an argument, be returned by a function, return a function, set to a variable other than its initial name, or be called 00:02:38 Learned «last-class function» 00:02:43 `? last-class function 00:02:44 A last-class function is a function that cannot be passed as an argument, accept a function as an argument, be returned by a function, return a function, set to a variable other than its initial name, or be called 00:03:05 08:07:49 `learn integer/An integer is a number that does not contain a wildcard that matches any character other than a line feed. 00:03:05 08:07:50 ​/hackenv/bin/learn: line 3: wisdom/integer/an: No such file or directory \ Learned 'integer/an': integer/An integer is a number that does not contain a wildcard that matches any character other than a line feed. 00:03:14 My network is getting really good at remembering long phrases. 00:04:05 tswett: clearly today's xkcd is relevant. 00:04:13 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 00:05:28 `` sed -i 's/$/. It can, however, be pointed at, derisively./' wisdom/'last-class function' 00:05:30 No output. 00:05:37 `? last-class function 00:05:38 A last-class function is a function that cannot be passed as an argument, accept a function as an argument, be returned by a function, return a function, set to a variable other than its initial name, or be called. It can, however, be pointed at, derisively. 00:05:48 oerjan: derisively? 00:05:57 did i mispel that 00:06:14 nope 00:06:25 oerjan: Never heard that word 00:06:27 hppavilion[1]: you now, like the higher classes point at the lower 00:06:36 oerjan: Ah 00:08:08 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:28:49 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:29:12 fungone 00:29:21 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 00:29:28 `mourn fungot 00:29:28 Alas, poor fungot, I knew him well! 01:01:38 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:04:33 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 01:11:50 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 01:41:59 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 02:14:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Latezzz). 02:28:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:29:33 shachaf: I haven't. 02:37:27 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:43:23 -!- andrew has joined. 02:43:47 -!- adu has joined. 02:44:17 hppavilion[1]: NOOOOOOOO 02:44:33 wait, I mean YEEEEEEEEEEES 03:05:55 -!- nisstyre has joined. 03:16:49 -!- andrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:30:59 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:39:02 -!- aloril has joined. 03:56:26 -!- andrew has joined. 04:06:11 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:07:09 -!- mad has joined. 04:08:48 hey 04:08:52 -!- bb010g has joined. 04:11:30 -!- perrier_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:11:33 -!- Guest37376 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:11:36 -!- Guest58776 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:11:42 -!- Guest20424 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:12:26 `cat bin/mourn 04:12:29 echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well!" 04:12:38 Oh. That's boring. :( 04:15:38 `cat bin/bin 04:15:40 cat: bin/bin: No such file or directory 04:15:53 `cat bin/bin/bin 04:15:54 cat: bin/bin/bin: No such file or directory 04:15:59 `cat /secret 04:16:00 cat: /secret: No such file or directory 04:16:07 `cat bin/secret 04:16:08 cat: bin/secret: No such file or directory 04:16:17 `cat bin/supersecret 04:16:18 cat: bin/supersecret: No such file or directory 04:16:22 Well I'm ut of dieas. 04:16:29 *out of ideas 04:18:34 `` find / -name '*secret*' 04:19:05 ​/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ipfrag_secret_interval \ /proc/sys/net/ipv6/ip6frag_secret_interval \ find: `/proc/tty/driver': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fdinfo': Per 04:20:35 -!- andrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:23:01 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 04:25:11 -!- adu has joined. 04:25:22 -!- adu has quit (Client Quit). 04:31:03 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:54:32 -!- XorSwap has joined. 04:58:09 Taneb: have you played mage knight? 04:58:12 -!- adu has joined. 04:59:22 `` find / -name '*secret*' > secret.txt 04:59:36 `tomfoolery fs 05:00:00 find: `/proc/tty/driver': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/2/task/2/fd': Permissi 05:00:02 File system. HackEgo/HackBot's is http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi 05:01:05 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/8a87b4c82f52/secret.txt 05:03:59 `url secret.txt 05:04:00 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/secret.txt 05:04:03 :D 05:04:25 Although there probably should be a thing for the permanent version of the latest URL... 05:06:43 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:11:27 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:19:39 -!- earendel has joined. 05:21:26 `word 05:21:27 candroii 05:21:32 -!- earendel has quit (Client Quit). 05:22:59 -!- earendel has joined. 05:23:20 `word 05:23:21 vheta 05:23:34 Makes fake words. 05:23:34 ...Where does HackEgo get his wordlist? 05:23:40 ah 05:23:43 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/a4e2b9749d1d/bin/word 05:29:59 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:36:14 -!- APic has joined. 05:51:54 -!- Xe has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:53:50 -!- Xe has joined. 06:31:03 -!- lambda-11235 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For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 15:52:57 I know you're a regular but this seems like a suitably passive-aggressive response 15:53:04 ais523, I wonder why we aren't celebrating? 15:53:12 there was a new brainfuck hello world WORLD RECORD 15:53:21 WORLD RECORD 15:53:21 ooh! 15:53:24 I was happy about the last one 15:53:27 it sould be all over the wiki 15:53:27 I didn't know about this one though 15:53:33 it was a few weeks ago 15:53:35 what sort of hello world is it printing and what principle does it use? 15:53:47 let me get the link you may have sen it already 15:53:49 it was on codegolf 15:53:51 oh, I might have celebrated it already then 15:54:06 principle? 15:54:24 a bf golf to print hello world should have a principle? 15:54:24 b_jonas, it did some clever trick about preparing the differences between chars across half the string 15:54:30 yes it did! 15:54:34 it wasn't just brute forced 15:54:39 although there was some bruting 15:54:44 invorlved in its creation 15:55:28 vanila: in that case I've seen it ages ago and we've discussed it already 15:55:49 I was hoping someone had found a cleverer trick than transforming the left half of the hello world into the right half 15:56:03 ssorry 15:56:09 i didnt mean to get hopes up 15:56:34 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 15:57:23 is it http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/68494/6691 ? 15:57:33 yeah! 15:58:29 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:58:37 oh h.y you know 15:58:41 this might be up peoples street here 15:58:47 are you familiar with minikanren? 15:58:52 let's mention it form http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Hello.2C_World.21 15:58:58 good idea! 15:59:23 its this prolog like thing that can generate quines 15:59:45 from querying an interpreter like this: (eval q q) 16:00:11 and the question is why can't you do this in prolog (with occurs check and fair search) 16:00:26 https://www.reddit.com/r/prolog/comments/473hig/generating_scheme_quines_with_prolog/ 16:00:33 there's a link to all the code and stuff 16:00:54 if anyone could figure out what the secret is.. someone here could (but I coudln't...) 16:02:12 [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46459&oldid=46402 * B jonas * (+180) /* Hello, World! */ golf 16:02:16 is that even interesting to nayone i hope 16:02:36 Rosetta seems to have only comma-less variants. What herecy! 16:05:48 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:05:52 @metar KSFO 16:05:53 KSFO 231556Z 18003KT 10SM BKN200 11/10 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP185 T01060100 $ 16:06:07 was anyone at all interested in that :S 16:06:22 its not exactly eso but its really cool imo 16:06:57 vanila: since you asked, yes, I was interested, I just have nothing to add... 16:07:03 okay! 16:07:45 if we found out the secret ingredient it could be aded to clue 16:07:55 myabe it already has it though 16:11:55 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:12:07 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:12:29 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:16:29 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:16:43 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:17:20 -!- lynn has joined. 16:21:20 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:21:32 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:25:32 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:25:44 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:29:44 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:29:56 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:31:21 zemhill: are you OK? 16:33:26 -!- digitalcold has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:34:00 -!- digitalcold has joined. 16:38:00 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:38:12 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:42:12 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:42:24 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:46:24 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:46:36 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:47:08 -!- p34k has joined. 16:47:18 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:51:18 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:51:30 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:51:47 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:55:47 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:55:59 -!- zemhill has joined. 16:56:05 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:00:05 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:00:18 -!- zemhill has joined. 17:03:42 fizzie: zemhill seems to be in some sort of trouble 17:03:57 its f ine 17:04:01 I don't mind the effect on the channel (it's going pretty slowly), but you might want to check to see if the server's doing OK 17:07:39 Hrm. 17:07:53 I remember it getting into this sort of state before. 17:08:22 I see these messages in the console, but it's also trying to send "JOIN #esoteric" all the time. 17:08:39 I'm guessing it's some sort of a bug in the IRC library I used. Last time I just restarted it to fix it. 17:08:42 -!- zemhill has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:08:47 Will do the same again. 17:08:57 -!- zemhill has joined. 17:09:03 Should've known better than to write it in Ruby, I guess. 17:53:08 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:02:34 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:07:58 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 18:08:03 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 18:08:06 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 18:10:18 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:16:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:18:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:25:03 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:28:04 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:31:47 -!- `^_^v has joined. 18:36:26 vanila: Nearly every problem I ever had with Prolog was solved by generously sprinkling cuts around the place 18:37:37 hah 18:43:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:52:24 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:58:47 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:03:17 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:21:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:22:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:23:49 -!- zyla has joined. 19:31:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:33:47 -!- earendel has quit (Changing host). 19:33:47 -!- earendel has joined. 19:40:44 oh wow 19:41:08 so those strange things Wrecan says in #1025 are a reference to something actually 19:42:52 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:48:02 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:55:06 Wow 19:55:44 -!- zyla has left ("WeeChat 1.1.1"). 19:55:53 I'm reading the "gentlest introduction to the ρ-calculus" 19:55:58 I have no idea wtf is going on 19:57:14 ρ-calculus? 19:57:17 is that pattern matching 19:58:00 vanila: Yes 19:59:16 vanila: I'm trying to figure out rho-expressions (analogous to lambda-expressions) for a LISP 19:59:39 might be fun to learn abuot 19:59:43 maybe ill read it 19:59:58 vanila: Do so, then explain it to me xD 20:00:13 vanila: This is the only introduction I could find: http://rho.loria.fr/data/rta2001.pdf 20:02:57 -!- nycs has joined. 20:04:59 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:13:22 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:16:09 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:20:35 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 20:24:07 hppavilion[1]: What's the reference? 20:25:08 prooftechnique: ? 20:25:40 prooftechnique: That site without the path should take you there, but it doesn't seem to have much 20:26:15 hppavilion[1]: I mean the reference in #1025 20:26:50 prooftechnique: That was b_jonas who said that 20:26:56 Oh, duh 20:27:01 Sorry, irssi has you both in the same color 20:27:03 It was unrelated to what I said 20:27:08 b_jonas: Same question :) 20:27:08 prooftechnique: It's fine 20:28:46 hppavilion[1]: Though I am now also reading that rho paper :D 20:29:43 :D 20:29:49 prooftechnique: Do you understand it at all? 20:31:08 It sort of looks like a weird extension of normal state machine productions, but I'm only on the second page. Embedding LC sounds promising, anyway 20:31:59 prooftechnique: What would be the rho analogue to a lambda expression in a LISP? 20:32:56 (rho ...?) 20:34:16 rho rho rho of rank always equals one 20:34:38 vanila: OK... 20:34:49 vanila: rho rho rho your boat? 20:35:48 yes 20:35:53 its a hacker song 20:36:24 -!- `^_^v has joined. 20:36:35 -!- nycs has quit (Read error: No route to host). 20:41:01 \lam X . b seems to be just a rewrite rule X -> b. Maybe something like (defun rho (lhs rhs) (lambda lhs rhs))? So then conditionals look like (defun cond-rho (lhs rhs cond) ((rho lhs (rho 't rhs)) cond) 20:41:05 Or something like that 20:41:43 Where we assume cond has already been normalized by strat 20:44:56 Ew, but then I get to the examples, and of course it's not that simple 20:48:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:48:07 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 20:50:26 @tell hppavilion[1] http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-45315-6_11 20:50:29 Consider it noted. 20:58:15 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 21:08:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:08:23 Hm... 21:08:43 I'm wondering what branch of mathematics to base a proof assistant on- what prooftechnique(s) to use 21:08:53 prooftechnique: You seem like a good person to ask 21:08:55 xD 21:09:09 base it on typed lambda calculus 21:09:10 A type theory, a logic, or what? 21:09:20 vanila: Perhaps. Maybe I should make more than one? 21:09:30 there's also Jbob 21:09:32 the little prover book 21:09:40 its a different sort of prover 21:09:45 its for programs 21:13:03 vanila: Perhaps I should make a proof assistant with strings as a primitive type? 21:13:19 vanila: Perhaps even using (bit)strings for numbers, making them a derived type? 21:13:50 do you have any theorems in mind you want ot prove with it 21:14:02 vanila: No; just want to make one for the experience 21:14:10 Maybe develop it into something useful 21:14:13 @messages-lud 21:14:15 prooftechnique said 23m 46s ago: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-45315-6_11 21:14:17 well maybe set a goal 21:14:34 pick some slighlty nontrivial theorem you like 21:14:35 vanila: Perhaps I should. What's a good theorem to start with with a known proof? 21:14:38 and make a prover that can prove it 21:14:44 vanila: Pythagorean? 21:16:07 vanila: If I do the Pythagorean Theorem, I have lots of options for proofs 21:16:21 vanila: I'm thinking of making more than one, each in a different niche 21:16:30 Instead of one overarching prover 21:17:25 well 21:17:33 imo 21:17:36 vanila: Or multiple mechanisms in one prover 21:17:41 a proof should be a polytime checkable object 21:17:47 Perhaps 21:17:53 do you disagree 21:17:57 i haddnt even finished 21:17:59 No 21:18:01 I do not 21:18:11 Polynomial time is generally good 21:18:24 So instead of perhaps, "Probably" 21:18:41 vanila: In fact, if it's NP, it hardly counts as a proof IMO 21:18:46 yeah 21:18:55 P = Proof, NP = Not a Proof 21:18:55 vanila: So what's your point 21:18:57 ? 21:19:30 do you know 21:19:37 what's the name of this.. 21:19:38 vanila: I probably don't 21:19:44 ok nvm 21:20:06 vanila: I might thouh 21:20:09 *though 21:22:26 vanila: I'm thinking of including multityping- a single value can be a member of more than one type 21:25:56 -!- ais523 has quit. 21:25:58 e.g. 5 is NATURAL, WHOLE, INTEGER, REAL, COMPLEX, SPLIT, DUAL, GAUSS, SPLIT_GAUSS, DUAL_GAUSS 21:26:07 And maybe PRIME if I include it, but I probably won't 21:26:48 vanila: That's multityping 21:26:51 vanila: Is it stupid? 21:28:04 i dont know 21:30:08 Scheme has a numerical tower vaguely like that. 21:31:47 Goes number ⊇ complex ⊇ real ⊇ rational ⊇ integer, approximately. 21:32:17 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:32:29 "For example, 3 is an integer. 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theory of categories/' wisdom/category\ theory 23:42:49 No output. 23:43:02 `? category theory 23:43:04 In the theory of categories, category theory is a theory in the category of theories. 23:44:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:48:58 `? category 23:48:59 A category is an enriched category where the enriching category is the category of classes. 23:49:20 `? class 23:49:22 class? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:49:24 `? classes 23:49:28 classes? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:49:40 HackEgo has no class. 23:49:45 (hue hue hue ^^) 23:53:11 how many of the category theory wisdoms are actually mathematically accurate? 23:53:13 `? monad 23:53:14 Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 23:53:16 that one is 23:53:17 `? comonad 23:53:20 Comonads are just monads in the dual category. 23:53:32 that one is I think? not 100% sure 23:53:39 it may be missing details 23:53:48 FireFly: As far as I know, nothing in standard R5RS, but it does have both number? and complex? predicates. 23:53:58 I see 23:54:09 "In many implementations the rational? procedure will be the same as real?, and the complex? procedure will be the same as number?, but unusual implementations may be able to represent some irrational numbers exactly or may extend the number system to support some kind of non-complex numbers." 23:54:29 his523. comonads are right. 23:54:38 `? theory 23:54:40 theory? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:58:03 Here's something I'm making 23:58:19 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 23:58:20 `le/rn theory/To be theory is to be like a theorem, but inferior 23:58:23 Thoof 23:58:24 Learned «theory» 23:58:26 Thue Proof 23:58:45 It's a proof assistant based on string rewriting. It's utterly useless. 23:59:13 And I can't test it because I don't know of any good theorems/axiom schemas to test it on 23:59:28 `? forty 23:59:29 forty means "in a fort-like manner"