< 1457395215 795819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for all I know the injections are just to prevent the rapid aging) < 1457395237 299518 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with the family involved, poison should be an obvious deduction. < 1457395248 822100 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah they resemble the ones vole had. < 1457395285 340067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, in real time, when was tarvek stabbed, could be two years ago by now... < 1457395410 190208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost three. http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130429 < 1457395501 656893 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you meant _our_ real time? < 1457395521 193866 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just looking up references for comic time < 1457395567 726521 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: two and a half has been mentioned in http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130617 and http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151125 < 1457395642 263650 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which incidentally makes it hard to reconcile with the months used for digging the tunnels, unless they started _before_ agatha got loose ... there's some plot hole here. < 1457395665 702088 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tunnels to the cathedral, that is) < 1457395731 16078 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know when gil would have been able to communicate with anyone who would be likely to have told him that tarvek was poisoned. < 1457395821 732022 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fight with martellus, and the time in the monk fortress are iirc the only times he's been in contact with those who passed through the portal. < 1457395833 621850 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457395865 181644 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457395866 178247 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the former, there obviously wasn't much conversation. in the latter, lucrezia took over. < 1457395890 433911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they started before agatha got loose < 1457395892 349943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gil' < 1457395896 282057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s father is down there < 1457395907 780581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old Klaus. < 1457395960 642284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yeah, let's see how fast Gil reacts < 1457396004 680386 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the cathedral. they cannot get to the center http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151202 < 1457396012 96683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, and there's time travel < 1457396018 613714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some muse could've tipped Gil off ;) < 1457396032 279546 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just so happened to reread that yesterday) < 1457396039 705594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it this morning. < 1457396058 823644 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well othilia is also trapped in mechanicsburg. < 1457396063 432745 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1457396074 706187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean one of the time traveling ones < 1457396150 556898 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely if they're the other < 1457396180 569915 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dreen could have, although they're too damn mysterious about it. < 1457396197 216309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm just musing. < 1457396200 17801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep. < 1457396384 121049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we'll find out soon enough. < 1457397241 640714 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457397449 492885 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1457398999 998511 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457399166 616151 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1457399190 746826 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I'll have to design a tlb/page table/mmu for my cpu :o < 1457399709 669004 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, haskell experts < 1457399714 897701 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with this code? < 1457399716 933535 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- This is an abomination. < 1457399718 854748 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokenEquals :: Token -> Token -> Bool < 1457399720 866815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokenEquals a b = kludge a == kludge b < 1457399722 856966 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : where kludge s = Re.subRegex (Re.mkRegex "\\(Id [0-9]+\\)") (show s) "(Id 0)" < 1457400190 498042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say they will change madness rule of Magic: the Gathering so that now it is mandatory. There may be some interesting consequences with Magic: the Puzzling. < 1457400221 767761 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I fixed it. <-- wow. < 1457400245 158117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It may result in more interesting puzzles perhaps, although some puzzles also might not work with this change; that is why rule datestamps are needed.) < 1457400252 603410 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is equivalent to comparing two things in C++ by printing them to a stringstream, extracting a part of the string with a regex, and comparing that part? < 1457400332 56493 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea < 1457400352 864274 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the explanation < 1457400391 926031 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a one-liner in haskell because haskell has better syntax and libraries and uh... well better most things < 1457400427 691271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Clearly what's wrong is that it wasn't written as tokenEquals = (==) `on` kludge where ... < 1457400446 976498 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie -----### < 1457400490 542933 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get haskell inside jokes, yet < 1457400564 147139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, you think I missed the point there? < 1457400578 163447 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie some more -----### < 1457400580 480777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really bolding your pun < 1457400593 647401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's better than putting stars around it. < 1457400619 874362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More subtle, don't-cha know. < 1457400627 561313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how you spell "don't-cha". < 1457400660 975857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just "don'cha"? < 1457400664 400628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this change of madness rule? < 1457400679 770606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the change? < 1457400704 78567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: obviously you should be 04r08a09i11n12b13o04w08i09n11g it instead hth < 1457400707 124366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comprehensive rules aren't updated yet, although apparently the change is that discarding to exile (and triggering it) is now mandatory. < 1457400714 859674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a rainbow key. < 1457400754 711502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think improved puzzles might be made due to this change < 1457400767 68390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://github.com/hazel-nut/cslounge-irssi-scripts/blob/master/rainbow.pl hth < 1457400787 371740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know the old rule or the new rule. < 1457400806 839548 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1457400809 291136 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_test: 0.0 < 1457400892 57869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current rule is 702.34. If you discard a card with madness you may exile it instead of into graveyard. If you do then it is a triggered ability on the stack; you may cast it for its madness cost, if you do not then it is placed into graveyard instead. < 1457400892 191134 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457400897 466842 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2831 < 1457400939 821891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell the change is just that now exiling it is mandatory instead of optional. < 1457401724 251082 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457402247 743403 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding thinner versions of my characters to my font (in the "Math Sans-Serif" area) < 1457402418 148419 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.128.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457402821 938665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457403058 623849 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457403161 729517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I might make up my own program to create PCF fonts, rather than using the included program (not all features of PCF seem to be supported as far as I can tell from the BDF documentation) < 1457403303 635260 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457403331 952540 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.128.148 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1457403684 541199 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm adding regular bold < 1457403710 481972 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly by using the blackboard bold and removing the gaps) < 1457403929 652505 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1457405209 543382 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457405489 864982 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how the hell do you say "seitokaichou" in english? < 1457405578 984909 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Student body president" or "student council president" < 1457405626 111648 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's why i couldn't remember. it's really long! < 1457405803 491081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a number of the form (2^m-1)(2^n) called? < 1457405900 621211 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's = to 2^(m+n) - 2^n no? < 1457405901 914355 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... a wunwunwunzeerzeerzero < 1457405910 476268 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a difference of powers of 2? < 1457405954 157294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is that too I suppose that make sense now < 1457406043 28281 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's weird about fixing things. ;p < 1457406058 715600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @oeis @run take 15 . nub . sort $ [(2^m-1) * (2^n) | m <- [0..5], n <- [0..5]] < 1457406060 271329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1457406065 963431 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: well i was _almost_ ready to swat you for all the noise when you succeeded < 1457406074 915038 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2^m-1)(2^n) == "1" * m + "0" * n < 1457406082 489344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @oeis @run intercalate "," . map show . take 15 . nub . sort $ [(2^m-1) * (2^n) | m <- [0..5], n <- [0..5]] < 1457406084 364500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numbers of the form 2^i - 2^j with i >= j.[0,1,2,3,4,6,7,8,12,14,15,16,24,28... < 1457406099 797518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx tdh < 1457406140 659555 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a language where numbers are strings of the charatcers '1' and '0') < 1457406177 51183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that language is called computer hth < 1457406196 795460 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? computer < 1457406201 247115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457406220 558281 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Computer is a language where numbers are strings of the charatcers '1' and '0' < 1457406224 877477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'computer': Computer is a language where numbers are strings of the charatcers '1' and '0' < 1457406235 207796 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Computer is a language where numbers are strings of the characters '1' and '0'. < 1457406238 333568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'computer': Computer is a language where numbers are strings of the characters '1' and '0'. < 1457406257 327588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're so pleased with yourself when you use `learn, aren't you. < 1457406279 309839 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : いえい! < 1457406295 942843 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey everyone loves a learning experience < 1457406306 695178 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and I only needed to use one published CVE to do it. ^.^ < 1457406320 83569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even more than a le/rning experience? < 1457406346 450150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /// < 1457406348 1626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: ///: Is a directory < 1457406355 251777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please add a wisdom entry for /// twh < 1457406377 74210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it is unsuitable, please < 1457406390 446448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why? < 1457406392 1730 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: er... < 1457406402 876706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because is a directory. < 1457406415 974455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, but `? has plenty of special cases already. < 1457406460 498153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't think special cases in `? are good? < 1457406465 485515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're either wisdom or you're against 'em < 1457406471 773676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you can edit the `? program itself then if you would need to do that < 1457406473 240847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know where i stand < 1457406488 541693 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on thin ice < 1457406505 904200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1457406575 919941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fancy food should i make for dinner < 1457406608 66608 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crêpes < 1457406641 175194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :diacritics don't make food any fancier < 1457406651 769834 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1457406668 400979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i mean food that i haven't eaten before < 1457406702 421527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me that i never made that norwegian porridge < 1457406711 108929 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ctc < 1457406712 45653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457406773 338436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? [citation needed] < 1457406774 378774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[citation needed]? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457406800 989359 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn CTC stands for Closed Timelike Citation, which is what happens when news sites cite Wikipedia's badly referenced articles and then get added to them. < 1457406803 742283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ctc': CTC stands for Closed Timelike Citation, which is what happens when news sites cite Wikipedia's badly referenced articles and then get added to them. < 1457406813 577063 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457406946 820500 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? % < 1457406947 700256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​%? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457407132 324207 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ‮ < 1457407134 43719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​‮? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457407153 896990 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :muhuhahahaha < 1457407188 552426 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ムフハハハハ < 1457407195 822988 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem amused. < 1457407264 187701 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, the big eye is on the left! < 1457407304 953260 :treaki_!~treaki@p54BF2B27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457407423 120917 :treaki_!~treaki@p54BF2B27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457407465 871644 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea, a language where you use the rtl override and etc characters as unary operators < 1457407547 646658 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 𝕈 < 1457407549 413940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​𝕈? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457407579 454943 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn 𝕈 is the set of rational numbers. < 1457407583 156489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '𝕈': 𝕈 is the set of rational numbers. < 1457407595 926428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, are you just trying to mess with people's terminals? < 1457407614 71183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lastfiles | xxd < 1457407616 952859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 7769 7364 6f6d 2ff0 9d95 880a wisdom/..... < 1457407617 333757 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrog with 𝕈? < 1457407678 237424 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𝕈 < 1457407679 522563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1D548 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9d 95 88 UTF-16BE: d835dd48 Decimal: 𝕈 \ 𝕈 (𝕈) \ Uppercase: U+1D548 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1457407683 58209 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT < 1457407713 961445 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, those assholes put it at ℚ < 1457407723 991284 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℚ < 1457407724 718076 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+211A DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Q] < 1457407753 288869 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 𝕊 < 1457407762 402811 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𝕊 < 1457407763 220131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D54A MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL S] < 1457407766 31528 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE < 1457407777 458060 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ESS < 1457407829 46396 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and in my font, I have both cues, with different glyphs because I forgot about those gaps < 1457407929 218268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is OK if that is how you would want to design font? < 1457409258 948151 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the next version will fix that < 1457409344 186005 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn 𝕈 would be the set of rational numbers, if the unicode consortium weren't idiots who put it as ℚ. < 1457409348 609466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned '𝕈': 𝕈 would be the set of rational numbers, if the unicode consortium weren't idiots who put it as ℚ. < 1457409391 298386 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me or half of what makes a jrpg work is the music? < 1457409401 831302 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just you < 1457409439 237532 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good battle theme prevents grinding from getting boring too fast < 1457409544 215612 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but I'm starting to think that on exploration screens you also need good music or else it's just some guy walking around < 1457409571 454920 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospective the action is very "slow" < 1457409598 84647 :treaki_!~treaki@p54BF2B27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457409735 269157 :treaki_!~treaki@p54BF2B27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457409798 921510 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! I added 𝐀𝐁𝐂𝐃𝐄𝐅𝐆𝐇𝐈𝐉𝐊𝐋𝐌𝐍𝐎𝐏𝐐𝐑𝐒𝐓𝐔𝐕𝐖𝐗𝐘𝐙𝐚𝐛𝐜𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐢𝐣𝐤𝐥𝐦𝐧𝐨 < 1457409807 163212 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝐀𝐁𝐂𝐃𝐄𝐅𝐆𝐇𝐈𝐉𝐊𝐋𝐌𝐍𝐎𝐏𝐐𝐑𝐒𝐓𝐔𝐕𝐖𝐗𝐘𝐙𝐚𝐛𝐜𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐢𝐣𝐤𝐥𝐦𝐧𝐨 < 1457409851 307407 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't have the font on my terminal yet so I can't see wtf I'm doing < 1457409998 715223 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA characters? (international phonetic alphabet) < 1457410050 215401 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝐀𝐁𝐂𝐃𝐄𝐅𝐆𝐇𝐈𝐉𝐊𝐋𝐌𝐍𝐎𝐏𝐐𝐑𝐒𝐓𝐔𝐕𝐖𝐗𝐘𝐙𝐚𝐛𝐜𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐠𝐡𝐢𝐣𝐤𝐥𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐩𝐪𝐫𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐯𝐰𝐱𝐲𝐳𝖠𝖡𝖢𝖣𝖤𝖥𝖦𝖧𝖨𝖩𝖪𝖫𝖬𝖭𝖮𝖯𝖰𝖱𝖲𝖳𝖴𝖵𝖶𝖷𝖸𝖹𝖺𝖻𝖼𝖽𝖾𝖿𝗀𝗁𝗂𝗃𝗄𝗅𝗆𝗇𝗈𝗉𝗊𝗋𝗌𝗍𝗎𝗏𝗐𝗑𝗒𝟎𝟏𝟐𝟑𝟒 < 1457410057 219812 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1457410086 741803 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold and thin ersions of alphanumberics < 1457410119 67408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i what's an erosion of a character? < 1457410128 944991 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :versions < 1457410165 380682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that. < 1457410167 835250 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: I'v had basically all of IPA in this font for a while < 1457410168 626288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence i,i < 1457410189 212093 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok why is irssi glitching me again < 1457410231 978675 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i "s'unicode consortium'Unicode Consortium'" wisdom/𝕈 < 1457410234 587030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1457410399 388741 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457410417 542937 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457410490 472928 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe irssi glitches after running continuously for 4 weeks < 1457411134 662180 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457411398 216143 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457411409 693315 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell would sign up on profitico.net? < 1457411454 7971 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457411969 11663 :treaki__!~treaki@p54BF2CAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457412223 264006 :treaki_!~treaki@p54BF2B27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1457412349 807870 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457415208 478723 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1457416063 880286 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1457416172 572545 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :profiticon :P < 1457416204 583157 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Well, profit-con. Not profit icon. But a profit (religious) icon would be interesting as well. < 1457417355 941152 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457417978 599533 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.128.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457418023 662484 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most currency is the same < 1457418044 932469 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, any currency can be related to any other with a single rational number greater than 0. < 1457418048 126361 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to fix this. < 1457418337 534381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote a C program that will execute the _SEND_RESOURCE protocol on a window, and now I will make it so that another program can receive such requests and process them. < 1457418461 273545 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.128.148 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1457418659 678007 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1457419377 411464 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I had an idea of a negative currency, where the most you can have is zero < 1457419385 941379 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Go on < 1457419400 988935 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Though complex currency would be better < 1457419439 915874 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than giving someone a dollar for a chocobar, you would instead agree to take a negadollar off them < 1457419455 175607 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_quantum_mechanics is a thing < 1457419460 756779 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah, interesting < 1457419670 228558 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxes would consist of the government giving negadollars to the people with the least. < 1457419723 107788 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and welfare would be the government taking negadollars from people who have too many < 1457419750 598689 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gravityfalls.wikia.com/wiki/Negative_Twelve_Dollar_Bill Such as this? < 1457419827 254996 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f430:c660:b7ce:2f32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457419940 490786 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Do you know much about rings and such? < 1457419961 321854 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the basic properties of rings and groups < 1457419983 648130 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I'm trying to implement them in python < 1457420006 510121 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Is there a way to check for associativity/commutativity/etc that I'm too stupid to notice? It doesn't seem like there is < 1457420045 19618 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Or more generally, if I create a ring, how do I make sure it's really a ring? < 1457420112 221911 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally that requires a proof < 1457420126 884519 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Blast! < 1457420131 96933 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like saying blast) < 1457420150 955782 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was expecting it, because it seems pretty obvious < 1457420156 437710 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :python, like most practical languages, isn't designed for its behaviour to be mathematically provable < 1457420164 892096 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Is there a workaround? Other than forcing the user to supply a formal proof? < 1457420185 899315 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(user = programmer here) < 1457420192 282361 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if your set is finite ou can just try every pair < 1457420218 966600 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though now that I think about it, I'm making a goddamn proof automaton for this, so I could just force a formal proof to be supplied, which is probably how I should do it anyway) < 1457420228 572151 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Potentially infinite, but I think I just found the solution < 1457420253 226295 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or every three for associativity law < 1457420326 288327 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What I'm trying to make, to sate your burning curiousity is a proof assistant that does a lot of category theory and stuff. Mostly so I can use it to explore category theory. < 1457420463 792395 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe you should start with a smpler test case, say a group with three elements < 1457420506 309752 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even one < 1457420639 306583 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Good point < 1457421101 94982 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: OK, implemented groups. The final version will require that you first prove an operator has associativity and inverses and identity, but for now it has no checks < 1457421569 631247 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1457421634 26755 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457422191 974061 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1457422210 671041 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Say, how do you prove associativity and commutativity? < 1457422215 772327 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you do it with DARK MAGIC? < 1457422239 864141 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are there known-to-be-associative and known-to-be-commutative operators you must define others in terms of? < 1457423613 985891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ Maybe I might make up my own program to create PCF fonts, rather than using the included program (not all features of PCF seem to be supported as far as I can tell from the BDF documentation)” - wait, what pcf features? I'm interested now < 1457423734 3792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ The current rule is 702.34. If you discard a card with madness you may exile it instead of into graveyard. If you do then it is a triggered ability on the stack;” wait what? instead of what into gy, and the card what a triggered ability? < 1457424099 807210 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457424221 717455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, shachaf: “ oerjan: please add a wisdom entry for /// twh” => let's just make wisdom s\/\∕\g the keys, then we can put slashes at the beginning and end and use significant multiple slashes too < 1457428230 212265 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://azac.pl/cobol-on-wheelchair/ < 1457428401 676829 :impomatic!~impomatic@145.2.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: https://robotgame.net/ is working again :-) < 1457428810 272808 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: these ^H don't make sense at all < 1457428815 579662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should use ^W < 1457429021 382525 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, finally banks can make better websites < 1457429374 14142 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f430:c660:b7ce:2f32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457430418 242474 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457431833 185711 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-67-112.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1457432454 995943 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457436270 716854 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457436944 627240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457437249 872121 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1457437262 970606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translater/A translater is one who transes a long time after the fact. < 1457437375 952306 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1457437556 636530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? transformer < 1457437559 845122 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A transformer is one who used to trans, but no longer does. < 1457438000 94224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? interpreter < 1457438002 537872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? compiler < 1457438002 671313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457438003 595427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457438003 961391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? linker < 1457438004 984606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linker? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457438353 71323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The linker (from german "links") is a part of a Turing machine that's responsible for moving all output data to the left of the tape before terminating. < 1457438370 913690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'linker': The linker (from german "links") is a part of a Turing machine that's responsible for moving all output data to the left of the tape before terminating. < 1457438415 843034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A compiler (lit. "with-piler") is one who builds piles together with someone else. < 1457438419 521261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'compiler': A compiler (lit. "with-piler") is one who builds piles together with someone else. < 1457438580 341093 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what is a transpiler? < 1457438606 291871 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, a transpiler (lit. "across-piler") is someone who builds piles across things < 1457438607 993486 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1457438635 859104 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1457438654 886775 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn An interpreter (Latin "inter-", Old French "prestre") is unofficial correspondence between ordained members of the Church. < 1457438659 836880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'interpreter': An interpreter (Latin "inter-", Old French "prestre") is unofficial correspondence between ordained members of the Church. < 1457438664 761617 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why is there a wall on the street" "must have been a transpiler" < 1457438688 324944 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/german/German/' wisdom/linker < 1457438690 426020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1457438728 470085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1457438729 414855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1457438754 59364 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1457438782 45125 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f430:c660:b7ce:2f32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457438843 892933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello. wat? < 1457438848 705732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append boily He is also a renowned Capitalist. < 1457438850 974176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'boily': "Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist. < 1457438895 103995 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wisdom is becoming Entish... < 1457438913 877017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bodily < 1457438914 749564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodily? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457438917 53712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1457438918 128949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. < 1457438930 2412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to retaliate, that one seems a bit short ;-) < 1457438975 218074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: heh, that's a nice interpretation for the linker < 1457439018 708787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I need to learn Swedish first. < 1457439042 234877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask olsner hellolsner. care to expand int-e? < 1457439042 368304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457439056 805378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: although I think that's not the whole linker, just the part that's called collect2, which collects the output. the linker has a few other parts. < 1457439061 897673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? collect2 < 1457439064 258996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457439065 871907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? collect < 1457439067 309533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457439135 117111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but those have nothing to do with "links" so I omitted them < 1457439151 577829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1457439159 7098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wonder if collect2 should be mentioned somewhere < 1457439228 385924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should say something referring to that the linker is traditionally called ld for historical reasons, but in the gnu toolchain it's called collect2 (the reality is much more uglier than that) < 1457439287 691859 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called ld? < 1457439300 969413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link eDitor? < 1457439386 17628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or LoaDer... "Possible origins of the name "ld" are "LoaD" and "Link eDitor"." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_linker < 1457439395 782655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's called ld because people like me set up aliases to ls like l() { ls -aF "$@"; }; ll() { ls -alF "$@"; }; and would also like to set up ld () { ls -dlF "$@"; }; but that latter would clash with the linker < 1457439417 624946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it stands for load though < 1457439429 594015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: l: command not found / bash: ll: command not found ... never saw the point < 1457439431 969292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called loader originally, back when it worked differently from now < 1457439477 327200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though arguably I type too much when using the shell. I make up for it by using ^R a lot. < 1457439597 817651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think actually I should do away with the -d stuff, and instead patch ls to add a new dwim switch that automatically applies -d to only the pathname arguments that don't end with a slash, and then alias ll to use that switch < 1457439605 137762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't implemented that yet < 1457439618 615876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -d switch is useful but too much bother on command-line < 1457439629 49623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, useful for scripts < 1457439671 868622 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I ^U everything, then wonder why it doesn't work outside of the shell... < 1457439688 285127 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it works in firefox, because pentadactyl but that's cheating.) < 1457439712 565874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reasong I use ^A^K < 1457439791 414035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably an emacs habit < 1457439798 513693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps nano < 1457439922 941787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LEVERAGE CHICKEN < 1457441040 249058 :Slice^!~Train@pat-191-250.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1457442537 182054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! I hate commands that can both list useful info or do something more destructive, and you if you make a typo on the list version it automatically turns to the destructive version. eg. 'git branch -a' lists branches, but if you typo it to 'git branch üa' then poof, you get a branch üa created. similarly, in irssi, /server list lists the servers you are connected to, but if you typo it like /server lsit then poof, you get disconnected from a server < 1457442548 868673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ eg. 'git branch -a' lists branches, but if you typo it to 'git branch üa' then poof, you get a branch üa created. similarly, in irssi, /server list lists the servers you are connected to, but if you typo it like /server lsit then poof, you get disconnected from a server < 1457442579 666368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither are very destructive, because you can delete the üa branch or reconnect to the server later, but still < 1457442592 713762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just bad design < 1457442612 137079 :Slice^!~Train@pat-191-250.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1457443044 242021 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457443210 423199 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucCxtgN6sc retrocomputing < 1457444269 666132 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457445412 192621 :Slice^!~Train@pat-191-250.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1457445889 476667 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1457445968 17127 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PART :#esoteric < 1457446409 594897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh: in less, the keystroke sequence ZZ quits, as well as Q , but the sequence ZQ is a nop < 1457446480 626302 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457446526 389109 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457446724 609374 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457446788 627346 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457447577 28002 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1457447746 135482 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457448001 636774 :spiette!~spiette@206.167.243.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457448140 941416 :spiette_!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1457448154 953812 :spiette!~spiette@206.167.243.3 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1457448191 7257 :spiette_!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca NICK :spiette < 1457448292 969938 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1457448906 935177 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457449046 468868 :Slice^!~Train@nat-175-56.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1457449379 302340 :Slice^!~Train@nat-175-56.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1457449411 657178 :Slice^!~Train@nat-175-56.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1457449519 785905 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] \oren\: Say, how do you prove associativity and commutativity? <-- there is no one method. sometimes you can just expand equations using things you already know. sometimes you can check all cases. sometimes you need a genuinely new trick. < 1457449519 958299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457449567 246355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about the TOOWTDI principle! < 1457449583 146936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :provide an isomorphism to something associqtive and commutative < 1457449584 287991 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] generally you want to know as many tricks as possible that you can use, that goes for all math. < 1457449584 421400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457449585 237846 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Old Owls Won't Try Doing It? < 1457449599 105200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "There's Only One Way To Do It" https://wiki.python.org/moin/TOOWTDI < 1457449607 903758 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's why python is lousy for proofs hth < 1457449609 545069 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes slightly more sense < 1457449617 790007 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is much better < 1457449625 400093 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is basically why i hate python < 1457449641 452871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hate it because perl is much better? < 1457449656 671081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You sounded like Eliza there for a moment. < 1457449664 891719 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :elizabera < 1457449685 452379 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does it make you feel that i sounded like Eliza there for a moment? < 1457449696 157857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elizabera: What do you think? < 1457449708 924517 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean with that? < 1457449718 569591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elizabera: Can you elaborate on that? < 1457449750 637119 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could at least change your nick to elizzie :p < 1457449792 967399 :Slice^!~Train@nat-175-56.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1457449804 51104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Eliza-Eliza dialogue seems less vibrant than M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead. < 1457449918 25154 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f430:c660:b7ce:2f32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457449939 614093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Zippy lines were deleted? http://sprunge.us/YKKg isn't really going anywhere either. < 1457449979 229262 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i pipe stuff to emacs? < 1457449985 377035 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna to make a doctor bot < 1457449989 150910 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to// < 1457450157 98869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i take it that response is bitching about having to remove it... < 1457450164 35588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might get somewhere with just emacsclient -e '...' and a bit of elisp. The function to call seems to be "doctor-doc", but it's hardcoded to type into buffer, you'd need some extra work. < 1457450168 390110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's my impression as well. < 1457450261 592055 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457450290 927500 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457450356 438507 :Slice^!~Train@nat-175-56.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1457450366 9400 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457450377 425323 :Slice^!~Train@nat-175-56.internal.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1457450392 760321 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457450830 489346 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457450878 5962 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457451467 626895 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457451514 531785 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow < 1457451515 393162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we THERE yet? My MIND is a SUBMARINE!! < 1457451530 135610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are we there yet? < 1457451530 349387 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a similar rule applies to everyone who's missing one of the files of arbitrary type ( despite the fact that many of them all ibm. but if an array is an international manufacturer of measurement and computation products and services are used to thank god for ange ftp, or is he taking a beating lately as he < 1457451556 543495 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you don't sound very much like zippy. < 1457451556 709401 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what bothers me a pointer to match its depth inside the mail tools that hide its contents from the b drive. well, yeah. the < 1457451573 862768 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457451833 919982 :elizabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera < 1457452146 549402 :Alejandro15!~roo@201.243.161.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457452163 826576 :Alejandro15!~roo@201.243.161.139 PART :#esoteric < 1457452303 838929 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You should really close that paren. < 1457452303 972461 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: to debug my .twmrc file to rm. you could only figure out < 1457452319 126153 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's me shown up. < 1457452441 380270 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1457452442 780438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot not balancing punctuation is a longstanding bug; I implemented it in the Perl, but never managed to be bothered to do it in the Funge. < 1457452443 33312 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pascal compiler to adjust the stack look like a unix recently. it will change the object file, each of the year to the c programming environments, with the extra loop is ignored, and < 1457452469 17304 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457452627 437121 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just steal some of the code from ^bf hth < 1457452672 394868 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457452786 35639 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1457452895 246257 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457452895 379650 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1457452895 379719 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457453139 592279 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.90 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1457453165 181186 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1457454880 672014 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457455479 438608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan And, what, retry until everything's balanced? < 1457455479 610417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457455485 269013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should've been @ask. < 1457456469 615674 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457458687 313960 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :AlphaGo (Google's Go AI) is taking on the world champion starting tomorrow < 1457459014 665630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wait, already_ < 1457459031 954889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't they supposed to, like, improve their program to play go better for another two years or something? < 1457459059 175730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, how much time was there between the previous match and its announcement? maybe that two years has already passed < 1457459092 118703 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://deepmind.com/alpha-go.html < 1457459096 921086 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a few months < 1457459125 137993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first tournament with European champion was in 2015-10, announced in 2016-01-27 < 1457459126 619139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last match was in october < 1457459155 447712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they had a few months to improve it only < 1457459262 757229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they've had about 5 months. Lee Sedol (their opponent in the upcoming match) is approximately 3rd best in the world. (http://www.goratings.org/ puts him in fourth place but there are some good arguments for Iyama Yuta being overrated in that list.) < 1457459337 936951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're playing 5 matches, it seems < 1457459359 877074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it's a 5 games match ) < 1457459373 627892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, 5 games < 1457459383 571687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1457459446 950912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it'll be interesting to see how this turns out < 1457459461 71841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And time time the matches are published live. < 1457459534 748346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any betting going on yet? < 1457459553 735237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1457459600 244850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457459633 294611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hello! < 1457459644 178074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1457459647 331967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any news? < 1457459673 968578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have some rants. no real news I think. < 1457459686 523475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, except when you last left, your last message asked to tell you that it went throuhg < 1457459721 381490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, it did < 1457459722 96309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I have no doubt that Lee would walk over the October version. But it's so hard to predict Alphago's progress, and the team seems to be fairly confident... so I'm unsure what to expect (though I'd be a bit surprised if any of the players wins all their games.) < 1457459727 128244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Lymia found it useful < 1457459734 167081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I made Lymia start to doubt if LuaJoust can be made to work < 1457459751 119916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"placing a winning 1 BTC bet on: Yes pays: 1.01133196 BTC No pays: 1.00958558 BTC" < 1457459751 786305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd have to change Lua a lot to make it deterministic < 1457459762 303858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "Yes" is on AlphaGo winning. < 1457459768 537745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put some notes on esolangs < 1457459779 881836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's one of the worst spreads I've ever seen < 1457459781 706218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should add to them too < 1457459784 817884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd bet at those combined odds? < 1457459790 606447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: People have bet 131.47 BTC on this. < 1457459797 553753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/ looks even; https://www.gjopen.com/questions/133-will-google-s-alphago-beat-world-champion-lee-sedol-in-the-five-game-go-match-planned-for-march-2016 favors alphago a bit. < 1457459797 722479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On this one site.) < 1457459811 629658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 1 BTC is very large for a bet < 1457459819 281433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was just an example. < 1457459824 76410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to bet a full bitcoin. < 1457459832 711028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I'm wondering if that has something to do with the odds being so bad < 1457459844 74265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, what are the other options? < 1457459846 309771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there seems to be about 54 thousand dollars already riding on this. < 1457459846 790622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, maybe the site can't afford to pay out more than about .01 BTC given the number of bets so far < 1457459853 531395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :match cancelled? < 1457459868 406814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lee dies after the second game? < 1457459871 615304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There are no other options. It's a yes-no question. < 1457459899 176232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how this thing works, I'm just looking at https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/ < 1457459908 791660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 5.1 BTC bet from someone on "Yes". < 1457459912 685309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, zzo38 claims that the pcf (x bitmap font) format can probably do things that the bdf2pcf program can't generate from a bdf file, which surprised me < 1457459923 902989 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, there's only one real major issue < 1457459926 844656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't surprise me < 1457459936 617987 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects like tables hash to their addresses. < 1457459952 62399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: fwiw I think that even if it isn't determinstic it isn't a disaster < 1457459960 970816 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, but. < 1457459961 104120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: two. floating point stuff is the other < 1457459962 424636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been probabilistic BF Joust hills already < 1457459967 511924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason we run all 42 is because we can < 1457459968 791434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait... shouldn't the two payouts satisfy 1/a + 1/b = 1 at least approximately? < 1457459971 593505 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It changes the game significantly. < 1457459980 907954 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because bots can make truly random decisions. < 1457459982 37742 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm... < 1457459999 675996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: true randomness and cryptorandomness are effectively indistinguishable < 1457460001 846981 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd have to figure out if that's really an issue too. < 1457460005 773172 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1457460012 857004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can write a deterministic CSPRNG < 1457460014 904581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but we want the matches to be reproducible < 1457460028 113227 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted true determinism because that means that programs can be rewritten as BFJoust programs. < 1457460040 508029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just giving the program a random stream (good quality or bad quality, whatever) with a fixed seed wouldn't be a problem < 1457460056 946480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ah right, I see < 1457460083 403738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem is that you can write programs that will run differently in two tournament servers, and succeed on both (luajoust programs can fail, since they can overflow the memory or otherwise generate exceptions) < 1457460103 60923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: fwiw, zzo38 proposed that , generates random numbers, but I was very much against it because it exceeds the speed of light < 1457460114 629587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in particular, you could just use , to set randomly sized decoys very quickly < 1457460119 614616 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think failures due to such conditions are a particular problem. < 1457460140 310079 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about , works randomly as either + or . < 1457460145 989806 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457460158 926217 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have something more subtle < 1457460160 250264 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1457460166 262472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you against it in the same way as you'd be against labels and if-goto-else-goto? < 1457460168 466632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that would work, I think; however it'd still make the game very defence-unfavoured < 1457460183 351919 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :,x < randomly either runs x or . < 1457460189 838191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: much the same way but more strongly < 1457460202 174169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: does the , cost a cycle? < 1457460206 883620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does ,] do? < 1457460234 718377 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :, would behave as a modifier to the next instruction < 1457460242 444689 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It causes it to do nothing 50% of the time < 1457460268 861511 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ,] I think, would have a 50% chance of not checking the current cell and proceeding as if nothing happened? hrm < 1457460276 768302 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just make it illegal < 1457460296 752686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,] would be an interesting loop escape mechanism, actually < 1457460312 66353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume that ,[ and ,] just have a 50% chance of interpreting the current cell as 0 < 1457460322 159661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise act normally < 1457460327 619845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of Befunge2K < 1457460468 693637 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457460980 274647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lua Joust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46544&oldid=46543 5* 03B jonas 5* (+890) 10 < 1457461049 275860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1457461065 191878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: repeating rant I said earlier today, < 1457461083 730498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! I hate commands that can both list useful info or do something more destructive, and you if you make a typo on the list version it automatically turns to the destructive version. < 1457461084 862066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm currently against any changes to the BF version of Joust, I think it's in a good place < 1457461096 677319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. 'git branch -a' lists branches, but if you typo it to 'git branch üa' then poof, you get a branch üa created. similarly, in irssi, /server list lists the servers you are connected to, but if you typo it like /server lsit then poof, you get disconnected from a server. < 1457461099 545661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wtf is that "weight" business on bitbet... < 1457461106 359187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, that's kind-of crazy < 1457461167 342861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...basically they mean that betting late makes no sense. < 1457461372 402454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and indeed as I work with git, I find that the default command-line interface is crazy, but at least that can be fixed by new commands. < 1457461727 134551 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1457461750 131131 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked Lua because it was simpler than Python and had the coroutine semantics. < 1457461755 110193 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which obviously work very well for the task at hand. < 1457461767 127510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: certainly < 1457461797 470805 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I care about determinism in the sense of libc or platform differences. < 1457461802 61225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua is a good choice, it's just that very few languages like this do determinism < 1457461808 751118 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be left as a quirk of different hills. < 1457461827 512465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it's not just libc differences. the stuff can change if you recompile your program and the cc decides to generate code differently. < 1457461830 366227 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do care about is unpredictable behavior that can cause different behavior on two runs on the same system. < 1457461836 32874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: as in, it can commute a floating point addition < 1457461851 378579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can change if you just edit the code or some options and recompile < 1457461871 846237 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... still don't care? < 1457461887 661152 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my goal is best stated as the two following ideas: < 1457461901 632444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ccs can't commute floating point operations unless you permit them to < 1457461943 256067 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, really one particular idea. < 1457461963 749768 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every program can be rewritten into an equivalent (very very long) BFJoust program. < 1457461972 961148 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would behave identically. < 1457461981 954559 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if this program changes when you recompile something, or if you move to another computer. < 1457461991 25712 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do care that it is possible for that one particular hill, or instance at that particular time. < 1457462089 309029 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did some more bitbet math. The initial two bets will pay out about three times their value if realized... 0.126 bitcoins for the first and 0.188 bitcoins for the second bet. So if they were made by the same person, that person would have a guaranteed win by now... < 1457462105 816999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes that bitbet is weird. < 1457462223 158293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, almost guaranteed. < 1457462233 78501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they can, as in they can commute floating point addition, multiply, max and min, since commuting those still gives the result prescribed by the IEEE float rules. (They can also do similar transformation on subtraction.) the cc can't _associate_ them differently. < 1457462266 910515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what happens if you add two NaNs with different payloads? < 1457462282 573534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not propose that , generates random numbers. < 1457462300 507569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prposed that , generates whatever number was at the current cell when the other program executed a . command < 1457462329 375962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or acts like . if the other program hasn't < 1457462370 601288 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457462398 47354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah right < 1457462403 156241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: per IEEE math, you get a quiet nan, but it's not specified which. x87 and sse both have defined precise rules for which nan, but the x87 one is sane and commutative, the sse one isn't. I don't know why Intel changed the rules. < 1457462408 10587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you made more than one proposal < 1457462442 257226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically iirc the rule is that if both inputs are quiet nans, on x87 you get the one with the higher mantissa (I'm not sure what sign if they're of the same mantissa), and on sse you get the first operand. < 1457462476 139000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the rule could be changed again if the cpu added new instructions, but it takes like two decades till everyone actually starts to use those new instructions. < 1457462770 424791 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457462857 529937 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457463144 431878 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1457463244 843594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I have made a extension to ICCCM, who is it supposed to be send to? < 1457463561 958884 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457465012 27030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Did you misunderstand what I wrote about madness rule of Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1457465466 481444 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457466093 863433 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457466196 407563 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457466356 240938 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457466759 280320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably, I don't understand what your proposed rule was < 1457466777 788096 :jaboja!~jaboja@emn164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1457466794 749441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone tell me something < 1457466807 446208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it wasn't important < 1457466909 146923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was proposing nothing; I was mentioning what the current rule is and what an article from Wizards of the Coast claims they would be changing it to. < 1457467002 110953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current rule is that when you discard a card that has a madness ability, you may discard it to exile instead of to the graveyard (it is still discarded, but placed in a different zone). Doing this puts a triggered ability on the stack. When it resolves, you must either cast that card for its madness cost, or put that card into your graveyard. < 1457467053 215217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The change that they seem to be making is simply to make discarding to exile mandatory instead of optional (forcing it to trigger). < 1457467249 644682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that this can make many improvements for Magic: the Puzzling, such as that in some situations you may not be able to avoid giving your opponent priority during the cleanup step (or your opponent cannot avoid giving you priority during cleanup step) due to this, or a triggered ability forced to place on stack, or a card can more easily be exempted from Tormod's Crypt, etc < 1457467589 792248 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457467992 370073 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457468028 240378 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457468063 90826 :impomatic!~impomatic@145.2.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457468094 639305 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457468789 515337 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-121.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1457469059 946300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1457469175 374930 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1457469419 358400 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1457469590 64572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* 10New user account < 1457469704 852756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait of what? Elaborate. < 1457469772 422526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just found out that msc 2015 supports constexpr. now I'll have to look up what else is new in it. < 1457469854 770420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46545 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+322) 10Created page with " == Features == !!! consists of some extra features compared to !!!Batch, like a space character (?+?) and a compiler that doesn't just compile to a batch file, it compiles to..." < 1457469919 124804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46546&oldid=46545 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+112) 10/* Features */ < 1457470050 115893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46547&oldid=46501 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+10) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1457470354 833086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46548&oldid=46546 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+208) 10/* Features */ < 1457470521 134728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46549&oldid=46548 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (-1) 10/* Hello world! */ < 1457470558 688772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46550&oldid=46549 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+5) 10/* Hello world! */ < 1457470671 868653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46551&oldid=46550 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+81) 10/* Features */ < 1457470681 347689 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1457470708 101074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46552&oldid=46551 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+5) 10/* Features */ < 1457470806 700136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46553&oldid=46552 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+1) 10/* Features */ < 1457470989 946674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!Batch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46554&oldid=42305 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+29) 10 < 1457471331 809731 :jaboja!~jaboja@emn164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457471532 848774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Self-modifying Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46555&oldid=44408 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (-13) 10The examples page on the creator's website are from 2006. < 1457471800 684387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Self-modifying Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46556&oldid=46555 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+21) 10Brian & Chuck is similar. Quiney is not. < 1457471818 589069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Self-modifying Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46557&oldid=46556 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+7) 10 < 1457472099 245043 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457472211 972023 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457472294 953290 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-121.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cyclopslang.org/ < 1457472506 831543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brian & Chuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46558&oldid=45122 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+0) 10 < 1457472515 393390 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1457472868 463498 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457473632 516225 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457473794 574272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Self-modifying Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46559&oldid=46557 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+1630) 10Added more documentation < 1457473915 738837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Self-modifying Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46560&oldid=46559 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+91) 10added link to another interpreter < 1457474403 64640 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1457474744 313874 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nxgerbsmanhckvcl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1457474767 212491 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ecpfmtbfwjsihlcq JOIN :#esoteric < 1457475499 25725 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457476152 756931 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1457476295 338196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, weird question that might be perfect on #esoteric < 1457476308 986151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have ideas for how to get hold of the relocation table of a Windows DLL while running on Linux? < 1457476356 245239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try 7-Zip? I don't know if that helps at all, although I know it can do something with Windows executable files (I am not quite sure what though) < 1457476359 480727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, objdump from gnu binutils, recent enough version of? < 1457476376 409413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have a copy of the dll, right? < 1457476423 311187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, just objdump can't parse it < 1457476430 784716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File format not recognised" < 1457476446 741441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it an x86_32 or x86_64 dll? and is your binutils not too old? < 1457476460 180259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_32 < 1457476470 461141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's distro binutils for the current version of Ubuntu < 1457476470 594651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1457476487 357486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really we're trying to settle a question about what sort of relocations Windows DLLs have in general < 1457476527 735630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno, last time I tried to figure out how to decide whether a windows x86_64 file is a dll or an exe, if you only have its content, not the correct name. I couldn't find a way. < 1457476550 911780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in, I don't see anything in the objdump output that distinguishes between those two cases. < 1457476557 204389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When opening DLL with 7-Zip I get a ".reloc" section, although I am not sure what its format is, or if it is what you need < 1457476575 529878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it looks promising < 1457476577 143650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's strange if objdump doesn't parse the dll < 1457476597 378841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I only tried to parse windows dlls with objdump on windows < 1457476605 74652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure if I tried to parse x86_32 dlls at all < 1457476626 115121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may make a difference because I think they might be using different top-level formats (I'm not sure) < 1457476729 570802 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457476862 293595 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457477425 546337 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457477717 470281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "i686-w64-mingw32-objdump" parses a random x86_32 DLL just fine. < 1457477755 174085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I assume it's "fine", I have no wayof telling. It doesn't complain, and there's lots of information in the -x output. < 1457477766 59069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, just tried < 1457477775 97570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-R fails but -x gives some relocations, which is what I was looking for < 1457477783 204347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the format, but that's OK < 1457477793 843730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking for someone else, and they found Microsoft's docs on the subject < 1457477799 341052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are apparently writing their own dynamic loader (?) < 1457477807 926056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of weird that one of these relocation entries is of type "MIPS_JMPADDR16". < 1457477829 442690 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1457477856 838955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are ABSOLUTE or HIGHLOW, but then there's that one and a "HIGH3ADJ". < 1457477866 303197 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1457477891 637148 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo hablo español < 1457477906 114459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Spanish speeching/writing so well, sorry < 1457477930 703852 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello how are you? < 1457477943 770829 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak spanih and you? < 1457477945 401344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: great < 1457477955 262206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wtf < 1457477964 446526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing their own dynamic loader? are they a libc implementor? < 1457477967 941007 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hello o hola < 1457477977 728616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for x86_32 too... < 1457477979 201010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1457477987 638148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fine but did you read the instruction of this IRC channel? Some people go on by mistake by seeming to think it is the Spanish IRC, even though it is not < 1457477992 641293 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I speak spanish and you? < 1457477999 209034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bienvenudo Sandra < 1457478008 609164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's how you spell it? < 1457478010 95983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1457478012 147551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenudo Sandra < 1457478017 250763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bienvenudo Sandra? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457478019 840781 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenudo: not found < 1457478026 144057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1457478041 435834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point in having a Spanish welcome command if you have to be Spanish to remember how to spell it < 1457478071 895227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido Sandra < 1457478075 668780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sandra: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) < 1457478079 20242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1457478081 265263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks Wiktionary) < 1457478093 937794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not Spanish and I remember how to spell it. < 1457478104 147290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try `? welcome.es < 1457478115 372535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't add the nick but it gives the message < 1457478127 460126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning spelling in English is just memorization anyway. < 1457478214 519520 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457478243 329532 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1457478327 655203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting rDNS < 1457478336 76772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the default rDNS you get if there isn't another one available? < 1457478525 67261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46561&oldid=46553 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+65) 10/* Features */ < 1457478591 974113 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1457478754 552249 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1457478754 685744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 6h 27m 55s ago: And, what, retry until everything's balanced? < 1457478768 69996 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: obviously hth < 1457478836 474658 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the perl version work, anyway? how does it prevent you ending up in a cul-de-sac of the FSA with no )s in < 1457478996 832510 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and what if the corpus has unbalanced ()s < 1457479005 411265 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1457479023 189269 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't, then i can see how you might keep track of which states allow rebalancing, and avoid cul-de-sacs < 1457479141 805649 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46562&oldid=46561 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+63) 10 < 1457479148 413368 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, for each state calculate the maximal number of )s that can follow (possibly infinite) < 1457479177 876632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46563&oldid=46562 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (+10) 10/* Filetypes */ < 1457479288 64355 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you wanted to balance several sorts of brackets, nested... < 1457479464 508079 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd end up with a PDA. i think it would involve... what's the name... < 1457479545 907551 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PART :#esoteric < 1457479687 481996 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1457480212 948880 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best i can find is left/right quotient, which seems not quite right. < 1457480338 537483 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe it _is_ right quotient if you ...dammit, now i've forgotten _that_ word too < 1457480384 636211 :Sandra!~canaima@176.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Excess Flood < 1457480402 426105 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, left. < 1457480433 143456 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457480436 985671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46564&oldid=46563 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (-207) 10/* Hello world! */ < 1457480463 830617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46565&oldid=46564 5* 03Staticsn0w 5* (-6) 10/* Filetypes */ < 1457480473 247969 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this is a special case of intersecting a context-free language with a regular one. < 1457480551 305893 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie see monologue started 15 mins after you idled hth < 1457480551 439227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457480678 980477 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb AlphaGo (Google's Go AI) is taking on the world champion starting tomorrow <-- today's iwc annotation seems relevant. < 1457480679 150433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457480707 634841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean alphabet's go ai hth < 1457480714 316010 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457480714 645192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you mean Taneb hth < 1457480913 755639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. do you mean Taneb Taneb hth? < 1457481088 375426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1457481282 544141 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1457481284 626355 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cyclopslang.org/ < 1457481581 4702 :Yurume!23f9939a@121.78.85.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the final score for Lee Sedol v. AlphaGo would be 1-0, AlphaGo pisses off after the first loss and will go destroy everything < 1457481597 229678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible