< 1457568056 537244 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that i set it to warn me. it's still slightly annoying that it sets a scheduled time by itself. < 1457568212 700677 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it one of those "the only way to win is not to play" deals? <-- i simply interpret the Game as "the only way to win is not to care" and that solves all the problems hth < 1457568229 377478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's Microsoft's computer; you should be happy that they let you use it! < 1457568282 672216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only half kidding. sigh.) < 1457568329 14937 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457568330 972558 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1457568331 382005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 092300Z 24014KT 15SM BKN057 OVC090 10/05 A2976 RMK SC7AC1 SLP082 < 1457568405 6860 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOYL HI < 1457568446 447063 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is now evening < 1457568467 159459 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that they were at least prepared for the poison < 1457568481 931343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL ØRJAN < 1457568509 746509 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned that ENVA is pretty close to HELL < 1457568566 633802 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar HELL < 1457568567 182094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1457568711 766857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot < 1457568748 791651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :work, bridges, go match, new spaceship... who has times for comics with so much else going on ;) < 1457568788 641442 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.no/maps/@63.45201,10.9148617,14z?hl=no < 1457568803 408187 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what spaceship < 1457568804 860045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's headlines: work bridges go match new spaceships. < 1457568826 286641 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the airport is ENVA, then look a little below to the left hth < 1457568862 320276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Copperhead https://niginsblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/07/new-spaceship-speed-in-conways-game-of-life/ < 1457568885 317343 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: aha < 1457568886 521208 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-211-133.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1457568927 581476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so, yeah, they know about the poison. nothing much going on, a bit of exposition... moving on :) < 1457568960 9085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exposition... more of a flashback without a flashback. a reminder of what happened back then, perhaps. < 1457569002 634557 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Lian? < 1457569065 363256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you see Lian < 1457569083 278610 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :southwest from the word Trondheim on Google Maps. < 1457569099 587211 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I searched for the airport. it's not in Trondheim. < 1457569114 605394 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! Hell. it is found. < 1457569118 843111 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i tried to link you above. did it not give the right place? < 1457569135 715544 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1457569142 612142 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see the link. < 1457569151 384987 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1457569152 492796 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails spot checks regularly
< 1457569158 904647 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v... < 1457569255 695007 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common problem < 1457569316 602975 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( quick, a believable excuse! anything! ) < 1457569326 779332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... uhm... I... I'm eating a sandwich! < 1457569346 388227 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1457569364 413425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 21 lines of scrollback... < 1457569372 666262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old xterm. < 1457569404 787231 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think screen/tmux each have their own scrollback buffers. < 1457569420 851087 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may involve interesting shortcuts to invoke, though. < 1457569434 998872 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandwiches are well known to affect spot checks, indeed < 1457569457 516965 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ^B PgUp in tmux < 1457569462 700711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's irssi which has its own backlog as well... but I need to know to look for something first. < 1457569481 589370 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you need to press q to leave the mode < 1457569491 680274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I was actually trying to suggest a line of excusing for boily, not for myself... < 1457569504 543343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :excusation? < 1457569514 11407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure how to nounify that verb.
< 1457569520 525149 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse is a perfectly cromulent noun < 1457569552 899613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the process of making up an excuse. < 1457569553 596101 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are sane shortcuts. I'm more and more tempted to switch over to tmux... < 1457569564 693024 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enexcusement? < 1457569576 371059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too french for me < 1457569594 598175 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excusezmoiment < 1457569625 466938 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what about me? < 1457569675 61601 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? entschuldigung < 1457569683 546506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :entschuldigung? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457569711 663133 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. < 1457569718 826897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'entschuldigung': Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. < 1457569724 971484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: I don't know, did Shakespeare write about you? < 1457569743 123470 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1457569748 217142 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only briefly < 1457569750 767649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an "ent" pun? < 1457569761 373539 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas < 1457569768 866143 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION resets the alas counter
< 1457569770 811535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure < 1457569839 240877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: so I expected that fungot's shakespeare style might know you... unfortunately, fungot doesn't really take context into account, so it's hard to find out in practice < 1457569882 18458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thwacks oerjan
< 1457569898 461656 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1457569907 407519 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1457569908 334511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: and to be honest, I was at that moment unaware that it's also a (namely your) nickname here :P < 1457569929 913215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBBBB < 1457569951 599464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yorick < 1457569952 768451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457569969 407289 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: CCCCCC < 1457569976 35904 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1457569982 330810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: D? < 1457569992 231446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1457569993 606419 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn yorick/We know nothing about yorick, alas. < 1457569995 876226 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: any slight tips this time? < 1457569996 144632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «yorick» < 1457570001 957658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That server's being real slow. < 1457570011 579206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Here's a pro tip: don't eat the yellow snow. < 1457570011 971181 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a person would connect to a +5v dc power supply, just need to hope the kernel kills that < 1457570021 349253 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: o hai. are you eating a sandwich? as a matter of fact, do you eat? < 1457570021 625188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1457570022 128073 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: good evening :) < 1457570028 935430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs fungot
< 1457570033 201706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1457570047 67445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1457570052 522473 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm... < 1457570053 216705 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1457570053 807408 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: val. no valentine indeed, for i am thee; thee will i loue, i gaue thee villaine? the pigge quoth i, this generall applause, and chearefull showt, argues your wisdome, and your royall court, by heauen < 1457570059 88810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just laggy. < 1457570068 777295 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had smothered him... < 1457570076 985522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something's up with wolfe.freenode.net. < 1457570094 789603 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is there someone you knew well? < 1457570154 668861 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thrilled we get to add hellorick to the repertoire < 1457570162 128420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's just ricudilous. < 1457570213 196070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't even seen 'rjan's question yet, if the debug logging is to be believed. < 1457570233 864171 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1457570237 206253 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'rjan? < 1457570244 905133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oe. < 1457570257 943768 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechellonique. < 1457570269 266149 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :œ. < 1457570272 248893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll swap them servers. < 1457570273 597554 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1457570282 736299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened instantaneously. Weird. < 1457570314 869110 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1457570318 287818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Snappier now? < 1457570318 469472 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: boy. if to doe were as easie as a downe bed would affoord it < 1457570335 369697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457570336 807173 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot < 1457570336 967965 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: banks. take me vp, and they are pale; she takes him by the nose < 1457570348 661180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust is_this_working_yet < < 1457570351 135700 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_is_this_working_yet: 0.0 < 1457570354 861675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1457570366 37300 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so any old acquaintances? < 1457570366 394618 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: duke. be it known, as the glasses where they view themselues, which in their throng and press to that last hold, confound themselves. ' tis most meet you should wear it in my arm. < 1457570381 487422 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lymia managed to fix it with shellshock < 1457570387 887146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the duke... < 1457570388 641559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seriously? < 1457570389 753724 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was impressed < 1457570391 417364 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1457570414 449888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. Lymia shellshocked one of freenode's servers??? < 1457570426 390925 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, just EgoBot < 1457570426 582184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the bot is still shellshock-vulnerable, it probably shouldn't be on IRC < 1457570474 962382 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the trick is to get Gregor to awake and update both bash and gearlance < 1457570502 586181 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it seems the basic problem was a bug in old gearlance < 1457570533 428044 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles Gregor a few times to rouse him from his slumber
< 1457570552 380976 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is not known to slumber lightly < 1457570650 780346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his house at R'lyeh, Gregor waits dreaming. < 1457570656 653745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not dead which can ... COME ON < 1457570754 873200 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent him a /msg < 1457570772 437930 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he recommended that on a previous occasion < 1457570783 215752 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457570899 25520 :deltab_!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457570944 521933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457570945 162601 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457570945 295867 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457570945 826377 :feliks!~feliks@unaffiliated/feliks QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457570945 959748 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457570946 624146 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457570954 857902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-76-127.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1457570954 991720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-76-127.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1457570954 991773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1457571005 216127 :carado!~carado@savhon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457571074 163783 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes that split was wolfe croaking...
< 1457571189 537821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a few more cursor shapes, now there is arrow with ... written on it, and there is magnification (plain, minus, and plus), and also a stop sign icon. < 1457571232 481925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other mouse cursor icons do you expect should be needed (not counting the ones in the standard X cursor font)? < 1457571333 22083 :feliks!~feliks@unaffiliated/feliks JOIN :#esoteric < 1457571546 541995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :✊✋✌ < 1457571575 937946 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. left hand cursor? < 1457571641 996184 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ✊✋✌ < 1457571646 487046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+270A RAISED FIST \ UTF-8: e2 9c 8a UTF-16BE: 270a Decimal: ✊ \ ✊ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+270B RAISED HAND \ UTF-8: e2 9c 8b UTF-16BE: 270b Decimal: ✋ \ ✋ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+270C VICTORY HAND \ UTF-8: e2 9c 8c UTF-16BE: 270c Decimal: c < 1457571693 529854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There is already hand cursor included in the standard cursor font, in both direction < 1457571699 71721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🖕 < 1457571702 476858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F595 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f 96 95 UTF-16BE: d83ddd95 Decimal: 🖕 \ 🖕 (🖕) \ Uppercase: U+1F595 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1457571785 959728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo doesn't know unicode 8.0 yet. < 1457571855 704221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it wasn't a very polite one anyway. "REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED" < 1457572049 797904 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a sodium memory chip. hopefully now I have 12 GB of memory < 1457572110 277518 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :related, I figured out how to use a metal file to turn a big screwdriver into a compuetr-sized one < 1457572129 636448 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-211-133.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457572208 456017 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457572209 129523 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457572280 178222 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY it works < 1457572631 217218 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. sodium memory chip? you salted your machine? < 1457572675 472685 :deltab_!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net NICK :deltab < 1457572764 753608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when's the next alphago match? < 1457572832 811958 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1457572892 955152 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1457572969 950377 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I guess so. < 1457572996 28319 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, laptops use lithium batteries and sodium memeory < 1457573083 200029 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet kerbal space program will be faster now < 1457573368 610346 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, damned teasing abyssal rune. "You are suddenly pulled into a different region of the Abyss!". < 1457573391 392652 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mon cul que t'as le droit de me faire ça juste quand chu pour arriver dessus. < 1457573415 146228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457573497 676061 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, ksp isn't that memory taxing. I should really be testing dwarf fortress! < 1457573526 648439 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. or, why not both! < 1457573644 9610 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1457573921 312712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46566 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+19745) 10Vitsy Esoteric Programming Language < 1457574307 424236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46567&oldid=46566 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+570) 10 < 1457574383 894061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46568&oldid=46567 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+65) 10 < 1457574493 516084 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457574768 195556 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett My neural net thinks there's a historical language called Middle Worse. <-- PLAUSIBLE < 1457574768 328791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457574859 25924 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : when's the next alphago match? <-- iirc in 2 hours? < 1457574885 829575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure if it was a matter of hours, days, or weeks < 1457574898 970693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous match was really worth watching < 1457575004 627747 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we need a new game that we can beat computers at < 1457575023 706737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well humans still beat computers at BF Joust < 1457575026 898665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nomic < 1457575040 645678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of one computerized Nomic player and it was terrible < 1457575057 239398 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is that what you want us to think? < 1457575057 470391 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: enter oswald the steward. how faine would i goe to, carry this vnto her graue? be buried quicke with her, and fnord thee after supper, of a weak and silly mind fnord to wail his death. < 1457575064 410182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, it worked on the same principle as fungot's babble output, so it's perhaps not surprising that it did badly < 1457575064 588451 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lys. one turfe shall serue as pillow for vs both, and for that i have not the book of honour razed quite, and laid mine honour too fnord on't: the fool will be hang'd else < 1457575075 836920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1457575075 970716 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1457575087 166088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how would you do as a Nomic player? < 1457575087 299290 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all penalties shall be the set of valid ballots on an entity has an initiator, or otherwise defaults to 1.0. < 1457575087 597208 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what does graue have to do with this < 1457575087 730760 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( a) scamster, which must be the entire day of each color of mark is a person is reduced by one or more win conditions are satisfied. such a notification to that creditor according to their category. < 1457575110 257020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we need to get one of those new neural net things to look at Agora proposals < 1457575113 874311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come up with some of its own < 1457575247 866532 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... this is frustrating... I have the knowledge to reinvent the synthesizer (music instrument)... but I don't know in what direction to reinvent it < 1457575264 129686 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up? < 1457575294 371177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If up doesn't work, then sideways < 1457575328 817862 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457575336 191622 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that, consider gaining the knowledge to invent a new direction, and use that one < 1457575446 454502 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you accept the standard 12-key per octave keyboard, velocity, pitch bender and mod wheel setup it kindof all turns into that kind of 90's mix-of-every-pop-instrument thing that doesn't bring anyting new to the table < 1457575485 928388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use microtonal instruments < 1457575504 332659 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked into that as well < 1457575509 655143 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda futile < 1457575540 262274 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keytar already happened, so consider melding it with another instrument. A theremin with a keyboard could change the musical landscape < 1457575552 791687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46569&oldid=46568 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+3) 10Fixed table break < 1457575568 13585 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique : you mean like an ondes martenot? < 1457575640 158564 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll be dipped < 1457575641 454894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is analog and digital synthesizer, there is hardware and software synthesizer, so which would be? Or something that doesn't match? < 1457575717 934273 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software < 1457575770 977955 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a much easier proposition than hardware and the only thing it's missing is input specific to that particular synth < 1457575842 653515 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the 80s German industrial scene did a lot of good work when it came to finding specific inputs for things < 1457575861 49802 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your synthesizer should interpret input from pieces of metal being beaten on < 1457575917 827572 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that called a vibraphone? :D < 1457575950 340636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46570&oldid=46569 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+5) 10Fixed a problem with the table. < 1457575954 925430 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is practically impossible to invent a new instrument, it seems < 1457575969 324827 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pidgin < 1457575983 336988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pidgin hole principle states that if n+1 messages are sent over n protocols, then at least two messages are sent over the same protocol. < 1457576029 429806 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a terrible program to write music with once < 1457576045 118911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What program is that? < 1457576081 913292 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique : well, it's easy to invent a new _irrelevant_ instrument :D < 1457576083 425084 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it was a set of perl and C programs that transformed a weird language into a wav file < 1457576098 927066 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: I'm still waiting for the Otamatone revolution < 1457576122 842324 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nayway, it used exact fracitons for tuning, instead of letters < 1457576138 879087 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique : when they make it easy to play in tune < 1457576139 476936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it is writing just intonation? < 1457576144 298590 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1457576161 865517 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write just intonation with letters < 1457576202 838716 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you have to use 3:2 just fifths and violate the usual rules of writing < 1457576223 997869 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like using C Fb G as a major chord gives you just intervals < 1457576225 776942 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost) < 1457576227 543699 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on each note, you write the fraction that it makes with the previous note < 1457576321 854982 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the syntax I used for that, but I got it to play a simple tune < 1457576335 469694 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to find it sometime < 1457576366 940180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done just intonation before with DATA commands in BASIC < 1457576488 36557 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ : it's not very hard to translate note names to fractions < 1457576533 602303 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to decide for every 3rd if you want it to be just (5/4) or made out of a superposition of 2 whole tones (81/64) < 1457576764 942391 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For western music the only real intervals are the octave (2/1), the fifth (3/2), whole tone (9/8) and just major 3rd (5/4) < 1457576772 794263 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is a byproduct of those < 1457576832 31164 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semitone is the difference between 3 whole tones and a fifth for instance < 1457577506 915584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46571&oldid=46570 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+0) 10Fix typo < 1457577683 719223 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SPEEDY CHICKEN < 1457577780 637616 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457578686 67517 :Alejandro15!~roo@201.243.161.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457578696 785278 :Alejandro15!~roo@201.243.161.139 PART :#esoteric < 1457578825 759311 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1457578829 594511 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh stat /bin/bash < 1457578830 47819 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :File: `/bin/bash' \.Size: 907184..Blocks: 1784. IO Block: 4096 regular file \ Device: ca01h/51713d Inode: 359597. Links: 1 \ Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN). Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-03-10 00:39:08.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2009-08-23 17:18:23.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2009-11-05 19:51:30.000000000 +0000 < 1457578856 54007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what am I meant to deduce from this? < 1457578859 507055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod time? < 1457578871 723211 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, yeah. < 1457579086 615817 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's a chroot that Gregor didn't think to update. ;c < 1457579389 295394 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent a email to the unicode mailing list about the gaps in the Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols block < 1457579433 171004 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason why these couldn't be defined as decomposing to the equivalent letters in Letterlike Symbols < 1457579525 77948 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457579660 923383 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :having gaps in contiguous ranges is the flaw that made programmers hate EBCDIC < 1457579842 193516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're very sorry for this bug. this will be changed immediately and everyone will have to adapt" < 1457579983 559590 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Did you drop the cirled Latin letters from your font? < 1457580021 77733 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebcdic caused C digraphs < 1457580023 567497 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nevermind, there it is < 1457580027 637023 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they are < 1457580041 376880 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457580041 510402 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ebcdic is a net negative in my life no matter its merits or flaws < 1457580060 586987 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1457580062 838715 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in EBCDIC 'Z' - 'A' == 40. < 1457580068 558936 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a great difference. < 1457580116 486209 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they added BCD support to C then ebcdic would be easier to process < 1457580136 77195 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: no not yet. I'm going to move those characters to the script math < 1457580187 521230 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah, okay. I was hoping for caps versions, but more math scripts can't hurt :) < 1457580206 134536 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning on making the capitals too of course < 1457580235 396979 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This font has taken over my entire setup :D Emacs, terminal, Firefox < 1457580251 902610 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my statusbar, which has been fun < 1457580268 987604 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1457580272 644057 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :craziest idea < 1457580298 698598 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer that uses BCD with 10 bit words, and each word encodes 0..999 < 1457580314 380597 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1457580315 643321 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double word would encode 0.999999 < 1457580351 866615 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be way more efficient than 8 bit BCD < 1457580415 728687 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000/1024 versus 100/256. night and day < 1457580467 448069 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I think you have to divide the logarithms? or something? < 1457580495 977715 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase(2,1000) < 1457580497 533531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Typeable t0) < 1457580497 666874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M90262971364701015908444’ < 1457580497 666978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: < 1457580504 994981 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-211-133.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1457580522 533939 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you should look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen%E2%80%93Ho_encoding < 1457580523 656709 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 1000 -- ? < 1457580525 58362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.965784284662087 < 1457580532 837996 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densely_packed_decimal < 1457580557 283113 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print (log 1000)/(log 2)' < 1457580560 934569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.90775527898214 < 1457580628 379520 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print (log 1000)' < 1457580629 968811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.90775527898214 < 1457580642 911606 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print ((log 1000)/(log 2))' < 1457580645 478607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.96578428466209 < 1457580669 821654 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print ((log 100)/(log 2))' < 1457580672 76333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.64385618977473 < 1457580686 993059 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print ((log 1000)/(log 1024))' < 1457580687 690832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.996578428466209 < 1457580694 141365 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print ((log 100)/(log 256))' < 1457580694 828252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.830482023721841 < 1457580855 699704 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sites.ieee.org/scv-cs/files/2013/03/Right-SizingPrecision1.pdf <- paper on variable sized floating point numbers < 1457580875 404080 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and suggesting that it could be the future of computation) < 1457580939 162909 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH < 1457581077 509663 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HGUA? < 1457581631 772763 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: i thought digraphs/trigraphs were added to support keyboards that lacked those keys < 1457581707 145331 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're specifically for charsets missing them. < 1457581726 361081 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, *some* EBCDIC code pages. < 1457581770 380464 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because IBM has a seat on the standards comittee < 1457581772 14200 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1457581772 916512 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1457581773 763707 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1457581774 199874 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EBCDIC code pages all have a common subset, but that common subset does *not* include the trigraph/digraph characters. Worse, the trigraph/digraph characters are encoded differently in the code pages where they exist!) < 1457581775 406951 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :relented < 1457581775 692829 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1457581816 851536 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also keyboards are purposely designed to have all 32 ascii punctuation signs < 1457581823 179641 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes in kinda roundabout ways < 1457581830 71625 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even sillier when you consider that you can only use C on IBM mainframes from within the POSIX environment, which by necessity must have the characters in question. < 1457581847 116224 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ` (accent deadkey for typing èàù) + space < 1457581851 227269 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ` < 1457581851 744347 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(POSIX has a hard requirement for them) < 1457581856 845465 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for ^ < 1457581877 67493 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be true of some keyboards. < 1457581903 795834 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On US keyboards, all of the printable ASCII characters are available as either a key press or shift and a key press. < 1457581921 732585 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is one hell of a US-centric standard. :) < 1457581923 909436 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because english doesn't have accents so they didn't need any hacks < 1457581935 78486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Ish. < 1457581941 312835 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has (had) them but infrequently. < 1457581959 480205 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more like the situation of dutch < 1457581969 267046 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they weren't in use in the US with typewriters, so it was deemed reasonable to omit them. < 1457581983 478177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've also become even more infrequent because of that. < 1457582014 190790 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why it's typically spelled "resume", rather than "résumé" these days. < 1457582032 925296 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root cause is that spelling evolved other ways of writing the extra vowels that you didn't have in latin < 1457582036 246683 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "naive" instead of "naïve". < 1457582100 698352 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty specifically referring to diactric usage that was normative in US Engliah circa 1900 but is not circa 2000. :) < 1457582131 275284 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kindof like how dutch doesn't need 'ü' and 'ö' because it moved 'u' to 'oe', and 'ö' to 'eu' < 1457582262 377195 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ï makes little sense in english because english has so few vowel-vowel sequences inside words < 1457582315 456918 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a systemic pattern then: every time you had a vowel-vowel sequence you put a diaresis. < 1457582333 519686 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zoë", "coöperate", "reëlect", etc. < 1457582354 633085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grant that it's not *that* significant, and so it makes sense it got dropped. :) < 1457582355 326225 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time when you do have vowel-vowel, it's a french loan < 1457582364 430841 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boölean < 1457582381 798511 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's likely do have had a diaresis from the get go < 1457582385 309861 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I'm pretty sure that's "boolean" even with diaresis usage. < 1457582388 514411 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oërjan < 1457582524 985527 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerhört < 1457582593 973664 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most languages, diacritics are overdesign anyways < 1457582695 118358 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer ẍ < 1457582776 340024 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm sure the poor indian tribe appreciates having ẍ in their romanization < 1457582789 382137 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :second game is on < 1457582800 891141 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it impossible to type so they don't write anything down < 1457582811 635021 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then their kids all learn english only < 1457582812 296700 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-GsfyVCBu0&src_vid=vFr3K2DORc8&feature=cards&annotation_id=68c52597-c5c6-4484-9007-74c98feeaa85 < 1457582814 528275 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1457582823 451586 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? I thought it was for the second derivative of x by t? < 1457582885 342135 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks maybe there must be a better way to copy the link without all that junk
< 1457582915 129243 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/l-GsfyVCBu0 < 1457582920 874741 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just scrool down to the share part < 1457582930 529912 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a copyable minilink < 1457582946 694717 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha. "Chat is disabled for this live stream" < 1457582958 962690 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I say "kekekeke" < 1457583062 546061 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f430:c660:b7ce:2f32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457583063 837762 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: they did that yesterday too, after a while. < 1457583154 66668 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f430:c660:b7ce:2f32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457583195 204368 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit no matter if I run Df, ksp and a youtube video all at once my memry still isn't full < 1457583211 720257 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf do people even do with 16GB? < 1457583224 496447 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photoshop. < 1457583230 338697 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome for more than an hour < 1457583258 716050 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also just keeeping more things in memory for better load times, I guess < 1457583264 617456 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your OS's memory manager < 1457583371 491510 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 12GB and I can't fill it, I guess when I get 16 (another 8GB chip is in the mail) I'll run a VM or something < 1457583482 58930 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've usually got a couple of vagrant boxes, a browser, emacs, terminal, and other assorted nonsense. I usually hover around 50-60% utilization < 1457583491 899708 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my office just received a server with 20GiB that used to run VMs < 1457583516 346749 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But memory's cheap and I'd rather have it and not need it than the other way :D < 1457583557 65612 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux is good at using memory for filesystem cache < 1457583682 253827 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows is currently keeping a bunch of memory on "standby" not sure what that means < 1457583782 301536 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to mean "not in use, but not empty either" < 1457583794 714883 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume it's the file cache < 1457583822 819063 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect sysinternals has an article explaining it < 1457583828 13742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457583835 661640 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably recently closed application state, too < 1457583887 909666 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-008-107.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1457583907 517501 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-008-107.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457584005 401833 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe it was overkill, but at least ksp runs super smooth now < 1457584138 996777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457584388 225889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! command in vim can be useful to do stuff that is not built-in to vim, such as !tac to reverse lines and so on < 1457584412 16988 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1457584632 162376 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::g/^/m0 < 1457584634 760709 :treaki__!~treaki@p54BF2CC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457584678 304760 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457584815 513655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a command is also moving it to the top of the file (if used with a selected area); now I can know that too, although I meant only part of the file, of course other commands such as cut, awk, sed, rev, xclip, grep, etc can also be used; many of those things can be done with built-in commands too somehow though < 1457584835 905593 :treaki_!~treaki@p54BF2E55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457584849 730609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you use ! command then you can use the same commands as the UNIX shell rather than always using different one < 1457585531 96998 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457585532 380640 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1457585566 885531 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphago made a surprising move, they say < 1457585660 370169 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457585754 41332 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457585952 635226 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the move? < 1457586001 599855 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457586134 970466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: it replied to P9 with O10 < 1457586172 386839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most recent move, Lee Sedol has spent a lot of time (10 minutes?) thinking about it < 1457586311 29194 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457586344 511225 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457587177 206381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a implementation of Famizork mapper with CPLD were made, how many cells would it require? < 1457587940 121134 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/kImJgUN5Y9s < 1457587977 635581 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1457588175 190316 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, preview: http://www.orenwatson.be/script.png < 1457588235 515799 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on cursive writing the way I learned it in primary school < 1457588256 412951 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1457588305 523963 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget how incomprehensible the D'Nealian G is < 1457588344 78255 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. In school I always just drew a random scribble for G < 1457588425 732245 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1457588503 981792 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian cursive has more pathological cases, I think, though < 1457588530 744170 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. шиншилла < 1457588531 611271 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clnwiqjuyoggeigh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1457588576 334049 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/4Ux8lgg.jpg < 1457588642 944756 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad has a friend named shchakhmatov, whose signature looks like "Max", so my dad always called him Max < 1457588771 442333 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1457588854 737731 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that and shch is a ridiculous consonant cluster < 1457589020 896578 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just Щ? < 1457589110 467144 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well in russian they apparently say shch a lot so it's one letter < 1457589155 489534 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only in Ukrainian and such is it really like a shch sound. In Russian, anyway, it's just a... I dunno. Longer sh? < 1457589170 902728 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more nuanced than that < 1457589187 830615 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's close < 1457589282 11655 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's been in japan for 30 years, so I think his name is probably now officialy シャッハマトブ < 1457589297 939984 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha :) < 1457589300 587650 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point < 1457589356 162908 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a lot of russian mathematicians ended up at Osaka university somehow < 1457589406 154056 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopped on a boat, never went home < 1457589551 381048 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I found a article that cites him as D. Shakhmatov < 1457589604 782410 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe Щ is basically a sh < 1457589692 263473 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, when I met him in Barcelona my dad just yelled "hey Max!" < 1457589717 56942 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457589743 975730 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoydu! < 1457589777 524942 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1457589817 152029 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thy does Unicode have separate codepoints for latin, greek and chinese cursive, but not cyrillic? < 1457589831 996353 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, chinese cursive? < 1457589908 628451 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are on the tertiary ideographic plane < 1457589947 989188 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's just what's planned < 1457589958 509033 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they havent assigned any codepoints yet < 1457590027 970395 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are planning on having seal script, bronze script, and oracle bone script < 1457590071 923361 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, planned. also I think they are essentially different enough scripts to the modern han anyway < 1457590075 806089 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess technically, modern chinese is a cursivized version of oracle bone characters < 1457590085 941482 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one would unify Linear B with modern Greek ;) < 1457590119 712098 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1457590134 944390 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well linear B is an alternate writing system entirely IIRC < 1457590223 819281 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it is true. how about runes and modern Latin alphabets then? < 1457590239 409125 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, runes hav their own < 1457590289 797633 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they should have cyrillic cursive since it barely resembles printed cyrillic at all < 1457590448 538788 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1457591012 810458 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457591751 676141 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1]! < 1457591868 941676 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the game going? < 1457592062 16846 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457592213 910349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: it's pretty interesting < 1457592231 6050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lee sedol has a lot of sure but small territories; alphago's territory is larger but shakier < 1457592255 943945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically up to how much lee sedol can reduce alphago's territory by attacking it < 1457593124 956759 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1457593588 849652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some idea about a new kind of inter-client protocol for X, other than _SEND_RESOURCE, can be MEDIA_PLAYER protocol. The user should be allowed to enable/disable use of this protocol (the default is up to the individual program). It is done by the playback window gaining ownership of the MEDIA_PLAYER selection; it can pause playback if it ever loses ownership. < 1457593646 137907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the result of the second game? < 1457593647 496729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can then be controlled by sending selection requests to it, and can be based on what the selection target is; some selection targets used with it might be: FILE_NAME, STRING, TARGETS, PLAY, PAUSE, STOP, RECORD, EJECT, NEXT_TRACK, PREV_TRACK, REWIND, FAST_FORWARD < 1457593670 187297 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not finished < 1457593692 33838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1457593702 501539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does these thing make sense to you? < 1457593702 787876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's eight in the morning < 1457593705 914025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like afternoon there < 1457593714 581780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 or something < 1457593723 393840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't a game of Go to take a long time though? < 1457593739 762352 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: neither of them has used up their 2 hour base time < 1457593776 350534 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, they didn't yesterday either < 1457593793 629642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1457593816 54353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check back later then < 1457593835 184823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting game, I'm enjoying it < 1457593866 728304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yoerjan < 1457593887 560821 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'dachaf < 1457593914 491496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoerjan < 1457594314 241732 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457594598 241701 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457595762 305951 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lee is on extra time < 1457595874 751410 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ^ < 1457596161 474080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, lee sedol spent one of his extra minutes < 1457596163 125669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one left < 1457596187 825668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they in the endgame, just doing their captures and whatever? < 1457596203 783825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the easier moves < 1457596218 627074 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :midgame < 1457596222 893853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1457596230 213984 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the end of it < 1457596234 839869 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still a little open territory to fight < 1457596239 872439 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's down to a few points here and there < 1457596356 799734 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again? < 1457596359 825602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one < 1457596361 810027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and late midgame < 1457596369 456636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lee sedol's on one minute per move from now on < 1457596411 186716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he's a professional, I guess he knows what he's doing using his time < 1457597284 721909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so go programs have a tendency to play bad moves if they'll win anyway, as they're programmed to take a sure win if they see one < 1457597290 378627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commentators think that that might be happening < 1457597385 927856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still might not be endgame yet, though < 1457597390 357816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all the territory is settled < 1457597467 16403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphago's running low on time too < 1457597489 457786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 4 minutes of regular time + overtime (which is 1 minute per move, plus 2 minutes that can be added to specific individual moves) < 1457597542 288260 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-166.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1457597628 971581 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's endgame now < 1457597643 522783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes < 1457597667 696158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :michael redmond thinks alphago is winning again < 1457597815 214728 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1457597914 957227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphago in overtime too now < 1457598406 296449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphago wins! < 1457598484 539999 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next game in two days < 1457598564 938560 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1457598652 868686 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1457598802 146256 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the people says that Lee had no significant mistake and still lost < 1457598808 801899 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is significant < 1457598821 370535 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to bed < 1457598830 347907 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ping me ith tanything interesting coming out of the press conference please < 1457598963 247441 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xuxnvplitwunmqpz QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1457598999 946215 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pgdpcwwkfsjgztoa QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1457599060 773563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1457599204 124784 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qmquuqxhzlwqcrft JOIN :#esoteric < 1457599345 422378 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wklzoyenlfwsvjyj JOIN :#esoteric < 1457599504 10622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: apparently on one of the streams, one of the 9 dan commentators identified a move that he thinks lost Lee the game < 1457599526 831219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately, my source is a livethread and there's not enough context to figure out which :-( < 1457600062 932946 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-psjfnznxyhnuchaw QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457600217 956988 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-166.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457600405 340200 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Pics or it didn't happen < 1457601000 326510 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457601387 364846 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1457601446 371685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1457602680 816925 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qdvfjbvmwprfxnkq JOIN :#esoteric < 1457602709 176219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats to both players < 1457603419 27267 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457603529 363401 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1457605370 586107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of your brethren beating us meatbags in Go? (The game, not the language.) < 1457605370 855840 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just want a nice pastime, go to the grocery store door i thought " let-values" < 1457605854 723205 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1457606000 989670 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1457606744 575071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46572&oldid=46358 5* 03YoYoYonnY 5* (+132) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ < 1457607943 530851 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting addition < 1457608920 284410 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the language whose programs build a ring (i guess?) called? < 1457609203 514398 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457610687 445215 :Riviera!Riviera@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::10:b001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You don't mean a turning tarpit with ring, right? < 1457610742 409747 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1457611387 916718 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1457611527 605329 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀wisdom < 1457611532 445369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome earendel < 1457611542 881946 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1457611557 857466 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor your bot, it is tremendously slow hth < 1457611557 990994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1457611565 884141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Э/EH? < 1457611572 302386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1457611573 565802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46573&oldid=45264 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+84) 10Added another example esolang to the list. < 1457611592 984207 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀test < 1457611606 9160 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1457611608 509779 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1457611615 4374 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1457611616 681112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.) < 1457611619 46873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1457611634 14570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :earendel: please refer to the rainbow welcome message up there ↑ < 1457611925 180807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SLUG CHICKEN < 1457614311 469456 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:c417:3bf6:9860:397 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457615602 875545 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1457615625 430411 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1457616282 647623 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457616289 329988 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457616928 647694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46574&oldid=46571 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+8908) 10 < 1457617164 791932 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:c417:3bf6:9860:397 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1457617563 952862 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457618028 564674 :hkgit03!c3f4eb82@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.244.235.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457618037 910627 :hkgit03!c3f4eb82@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.244.235.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1457619003 941723 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qdvfjbvmwprfxnkq QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457619021 367843 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kbsjuodrzjuzgzzt JOIN :#esoteric < 1457619293 929966 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-166.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1457619629 421437 :spiette!~spiette@72-53-140-195.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457620215 42201 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kbsjuodrzjuzgzzt QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457620311 92575 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-oedypqmptvjdmfrt JOIN :#esoteric < 1457620333 984429 :hkgit03!c3f4eb82@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.244.235.130 QUIT : < 1457620664 659177 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :Quit: ZNC http://znc.in < 1457620713 997795 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457621097 244062 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1457621155 421986 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want a keybase invite? I have 8 or 9, I think. < 1457621489 31438 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457621781 254166 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457622303 334173 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1457622836 959479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you want a keybase invite from prooftechnique? < 1457622837 160207 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm a cl programmer :) you fnord your code? it makes my eyes bleed < 1457622884 781533 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fungot, you smug lisp weenie < 1457622885 171064 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: how do i use to make similar links to r5rs from scheme pastes that aren't of the form " fnord". pl/ 1, and -0 is a 0 0 5 0 0 < 1457622966 881498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he still doesn't understand how quotation marks work < 1457623074 805763 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think about quotes? < 1457623075 161213 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: now that i think about it? when it comes to punctuation, i end up liking it better. or worse yet horror of horrors there is a mandelbrot for some esolang? < 1457623104 357474 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That was really close to coherent < 1457623231 305388 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So AlphaGo won again, huh? < 1457624417 384980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Impressive. I'm now worried that Lee may not win any game after all. < 1457624475 773412 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only watched the first hour or two. What was the result? < 1457624501 729568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lee resigned again... and he was never clearly ahead from what I've read. < 1457624527 911603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the end I think he was losing by more than 10 points, but that doesn't really mean much. < 1457624815 7472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay I can't count. It was more like 6 to 8 points. < 1457625037 793377 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still < 1457625082 796917 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On one hand, this is pretty groundbreaking stuff. On the other hand, I don't know how impressed I should be that a server farm beat a single brain at a computational task. < 1457625119 389648 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Deep Blue fit in a closet < 1457625613 72783 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1457625648 605493 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457626784 969627 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-oedypqmptvjdmfrt QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457627317 947387 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mpimddnjkfecyrdm JOIN :#esoteric < 1457629019 539022 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1457629431 218572 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457629503 242712 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1457629691 859513 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm watching alphago's 2nd match < 1457629704 362450 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commenter said "oh this is a very weird move from alphago" < 1457629713 693905 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lee sedol left the room < 1457629732 805870 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't show him but i imagine him cursing and kicking his chair in rage < 1457629956 361876 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457630150 433050 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1457630163 972247 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-166.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1457630590 60657 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mpimddnjkfecyrdm QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1457630969 147410 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ppsvsztqnbtummeh JOIN :#esoteric < 1457630976 257208 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457631159 791315 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ETHproductions 5* 10New user account < 1457631229 411900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: the first time computers started winning against humans in chess, they required a whole server farm to win too. But then computers got faster. < 1457631302 820254 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my tongue was somewhat firmly in my cheek, but I take your point. < 1457632515 157955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Japt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46575 5* 03ETHproductions 5* (+1175) 10Created page with "'''Japt''' is a language designed for ''code-golfing''. == Overview == Japt is a compiled language, or specifically, ''transpiled''. Many functions have been shortened to a..." < 1457632583 324935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46576&oldid=46547 5* 03ETHproductions 5* (+11) 10/* J */ Added Japt to language list < 1457632757 897366 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realized df will turn 10 this year < 1457632952 270214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: um, do you mean dwarven fortress? < 1457632957 820099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other df? < 1457632994 861489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress < 1457633216 253408 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ejw72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1457633446 383799 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457633901 238159 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dwarf named after me was a transcendent sculptor < 1457633991 453799 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, stonecarver < 1457634084 920990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Japt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46577&oldid=46575 5* 03ETHproductions 5* (+72) 10Added categories < 1457634825 509207 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-211-133.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457635143 323438 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1457635227 969935 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-211-133.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1457635935 617573 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457636231 31836 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ejw72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1457636463 637839 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24-156-46-20.erkacmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457636535 682556 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1457637232 384245 :Treio!~Treio@87.244.233.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457637437 648509 :LexiciScriptor!~LexiciScr@net-93-65-109-245.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1457638205 987394 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn NICK :lynn < 1457638218 418321 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457638428 508648 :LexiciScriptor!~LexiciScr@net-93-65-109-245.cust.vodafonedsl.it QUIT :Quit: LexiciScriptor < 1457638608 440584 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24-156-46-20.erkacmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1457638800 157627 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ejw72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1457639910 663986 :LexiciScriptor!~LexiciScr@net-93-65-109-245.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1457639917 155975 :LexiciScriptor!~LexiciScr@net-93-65-109-245.cust.vodafonedsl.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1457639952 869242 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1457640315 862339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1457640471 377484 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART :#esoteric < 1457641256 89646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: My wife was worried that he might get sufficiently frustrated to do something drastic. < 1457641278 266624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression from some random earlier headlines that he was all "I'll win 5-0 or 4-1, no question about that" beforehand. < 1457641412 717536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For me, I'm not interested in playing against an easy opponent, especially for an easy-to-handle computer, --" says Ke Jie. Sounds suspiciously similar. < 1457641465 457528 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24-156-46-20.erkacmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457641477 71544 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lambda-11235 < 1457641498 492630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02lambda-11235: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1457641526 286564 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24-156-46-20.erkacmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Thanks. I've already been welcomed. < 1457641535 582276 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1457641921 612776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! the algorithm I'm trying to implement can't work. it's broken as designed. damn. < 1457641930 2646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to rethink this whole thing. < 1457642094 20332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1457642099 478791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I understand why I didn't implement it like that before I started to rewrite it. < 1457642251 381665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to rewrite a code to use what I thought was a simpler algorithm. It turns out the simpler algorithm can't work. The complication was necessary. < 1457643240 65186 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457643449 32376 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457643727 653604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read in newspaper the Go player expected to win against the computer the first time but that after the program is corrected then next time they probably cannot win < 1457643750 316055 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "my wife [...]" oh you're old < 1457643767 93878 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24-156-46-20.erkacmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1457644261 68069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46578&oldid=46574 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+15038) 10Links fo' days, fixed some typos < 1457644627 338124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46579&oldid=46578 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+91) 10Added some wikitrivia. < 1457644655 271835 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46581&oldid=46579 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+4) 10Fix italicization. < 1457645040 333820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46582&oldid=46576 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+12) 10Added Vitsy to language list. < 1457645154 264388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is any way with Xlib that you could figure out the clipping rectangle boundaries of a GC? < 1457645458 523420 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457645484 10973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, zzo38: I have some vague thought about cpu architecture that probably doesn't even have a truth value, but I want to run it through you < 1457645514 467655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1457645543 795162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how much of the problem of the x86 arch is that it's really old, and at each step they updated it incrementally such that the same cpu can both run existing programs faster but also new programs can be written better but the chip implementing these two are practically the same. < 1457645573 238339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1457645575 162684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there were a few specific mistakes in these updates, most of the problem is just wanting to repeat such small incremental changes in the arch to make this possible, many times. < 1457645643 547681 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457645710 503834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of the particular decisions that made sense in the earlier stages of x86 but no longer are well known, like how the instruction encoding is really hard to decode quickly because it's very variable width, or that the 8 and 16 bit instructions have to update parts of registers, < 1457645752 205081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1457645777 243987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a particular thing where I only now realized why the x86 design made sense originally but no longer. < 1457645816 753610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how despite the z80 being bigger, the 6502 instruction set turns out to be way more powerful than the z808 instruction set in practice? < 1457645847 273812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think one of you mentioned the reason for that, which was really not obvious to me since I didn't actually program those cpus: < 1457645918 167035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the 6502 has only one accumulator, but it has instructions addressing the zero page with an 8 bit offset, and those instructions are really short, all of them being 2 bytes long, so you effectively use those 256 bytes as registers. < 1457645971 885219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas on the z80, you have somewhat more general registers, but still not enough of them of course, and if you run out of them, you're really screwed, because the z80 doesn't have any sane way to address memory. < 1457645985 283661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have instructions to address memory with immediate offsets. < 1457646070 324137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those RISC chips that have three-argument instructions on 15 to 32 independent registers 4 bytes long each and instructions with three register operands could get away with not having memory access instructions with encoded offsets, < 1457646085 465597 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457646131 309387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the z80 is not like that, it has few registers, they're overlapping, and the arithmetic instructions only work on A or LH as one of the sources and destination, so you effectively have register-to-register moves and ONE-OPERAND instructions, not even two-operand ones.. < 1457646172 169618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might not be entirely accurate, since I'm a bit fuzzy about how the z80 works, and surely it has some tricks I'm missing, plus it has the IX and IY registers to help out. < 1457646175 592523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1457646223 754771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you know how the x86 has more registers than the z80, and two-operand instructions to access that. But the trick is that not only it has those, but it also has what is effectively the equivalent of 6502's zero-page access: < 1457646270 481980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the general instructions can use 8 byte offsets around four of the registers, so you can access 128 bytes above and 128 bytes below the stack base pointer, plus three other similar spaces based on the other registers. < 1457646316 67677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND even though the general instructions are two-operand, they work both ways: the memory operand can be either source and destination, encoded by a bit in the opcode. < 1457646371 146193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the x86 is a hybrid cpu that tried to have the advantages of both a larger instruction set risc cpu and the in-memory registers of 6502. < 1457646424 81232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think this was a good idea at the 8086, and probably still a mostly sane idea at the 386, but turned out to be a bad idea later. < 1457646461 984334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because you can't run instructions parallel and out of order and speculatively if they all reference main memory and any main memory write could affect any main memory read. < 1457646483 102871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cpu can work out the dependencies between register accesses, but not between memory writes. < 1457646551 851581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the major "zero page"ish use I've seen on x86 is offsets from bp or sp < 1457646552 731619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we ended up with a CPU that we are effectively trying to program like a RISC machine with everything stored in registers, sometimes even to the point that if you don't have enough general registers, it can be worth to save a value to an xmm register instead of the stack. < 1457646558 786774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like having a sliding window zero page < 1457646577 587066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we could have a stack that's /only/ addressible like that < 1457646583 960101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to solve the aliasing issues < 1457646588 793607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and the MMIX has such a sliding window register stack. < 1457646598 951889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great design. < 1457646615 933851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, there are some things in MMIX I don't like, but the sliding window local register stack is brilliant. < 1457646632 803570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has global registers that don't move when the window slides.) < 1457646722 107706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They at least did away with the two-direction instructions with the vector instructions: those only read from memory, never write, but they were still all two-operand before AVX. And even AVX uses the mod-r/m encoding so there are two bits in every instruction just to say that it's accessing registers only, not memory. < 1457646761 317796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, at that point they have worse problems with the instruction encoding, but still. < 1457646800 498188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually one thought I've had < 1457646803 117058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even with all the great vector instructions, you can't do away with the general register instructions, you still have to use them for conditionals etc. < 1457646812 380505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a CPU where the /only/ memory accesses are pushes and pops on a set of stacks < 1457646822 479598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which is independent < 1457646830 341796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this solves all cacheing and aliasing problems < 1457646851 523934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, of course, it's not so great for programming as you don't have any random-access memory < 1457646875 489880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that would be very inefficient for programming < 1457646892 722804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what sort of programs can be written efficiently on a multiple-stack machine < 1457646897 608412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you write a compiler, for example? < 1457646927 850763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say, a compiler that runs in O(n log n) in the size of the original program, and does optimizations on an AST < 1457646992 691841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't forth sort of work like this, where there's a data stack, a jump stack, and even a limited size for loop stack? It also has main memory, and one of the stacks are accessible through main memory, but I think a variant where none of those stacks are acessible in the main memory would look very similar to forth. < 1457647017 257479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so there would be no constant-time reversal of a stack? < 1457647045 585604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, also the stacks are conceptually infinite anyway < 1457647086 840605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and do you allow enough stacks? eg., can a program use 256 stacks? < 1457647089 827802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let's add a slow random-access permanent storage, like a hard disk or SSD < 1457647094 793393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that doesn't matter for the asymptotics, but still < 1457647098 265504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are a lot but a finite number < 1457647100 216541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 16 < 1457647120 745334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 is too few unless you also have registers (or stacks limited to a small fixed depth) < 1457647132 43448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem I have here is that this model can do program spawn-and-wait trivially < 1457647139 156599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... wait < 1457647143 449448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't do multiprocessing at all well < 1457647167 953427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with the 16 stacks, would you allow directly reading and writing any of the top 16 elements? or just the top element? < 1457647212 819833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reasonably large window at the top of the stack that's all readable and writable < 1457647217 662425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1457647218 911493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, finitely large < 1457647224 462666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case 16 stacks are enough < 1457647235 960968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can put multiple registers on the same stack < 1457647240 263239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually maybe we should have fewer stacks, it might be more efficient < 1457647241 605059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes < 1457647320 82979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally different, but there's a crazy home-made eso-hardware that tries to masquarade as forth-based, but actually has a stack of, I kid you not, two elements max depth. < 1457647351 718801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The docs at first tells it has four elements, but later admits that the bottom two are reserved for interrupt handlers so you can only use the top two if you don't want to lose the value. < 1457647362 32747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point, I don't understand what makes this stack-based. < 1457647430 990300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really an accumulator-based machine with zero-operand instructions only, since you can keep one thing (the accumulator) on the stack for a few instructions, but have to load a "register" from memory as the second operand, then run one instruction that uses the two values together. < 1457647444 285885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arithmetic, indirect store, or conditional jump.) < 1457647472 318042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can buy that it was easy to implement it in hardware this way (since it also has very few instructions), but I totally don't buy that it's stack-based or in any way related to forth. < 1457647516 658621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is the opposite: you say it's stack-based, but actually it has enough general purpose registers for a risc machine. < 1457647551 770504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stack-based in that it uses stacks for /storage/, not in that it uses them for calculation < 1457647556 811498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1457647576 881483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's an interesting question. It's not obvious what it could do. < 1457647606 528893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your "L1 cache" is the top of the stacks < 1457647607 265354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have to be very different from normal random-access programs. < 1457647632 682095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get swapped out if you push too much onto them to fit into the cache, but the swapping is very predictable and can be done in the background; in particular you can always do a linear load < 1457647701 835986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, the next M:tG set seems to be graveyard-themed like Odyssey: they bring back madness (which is why zzo38 was talking about madness, I didn't understand why), and a new threshold variant < 1457647773 513280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1457647775 750882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow M:tG < 1457647781 950247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, more than I do < 1457647841 370578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised. It seems strange for them to bring back BOTH madness and threshold. Two such strange mechanics in one set? In Odyssey, madness was at least in a later set of the block. < 1457647846 971752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness (if you discard this card, discard it into exile, then cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard), delirium (if you have four or more card types in your graveyard, …), skulk (~ can't be blocked by creatures with higher power), investigate (place a Clue artifact token onto the battlefield with "{2}, sacrifice ~: draw a card") < 1457647864 457614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently they tested threshold but didn't like the way it played < 1457647896 370301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think madness and threshold and other graveyard counting are mechanics I don't really enjoy playing with, because you have to build around them. < 1457647907 308805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build the kind of decks I don't want to build around them. < 1457647914 727138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decks that put cards to the graveyard. < 1457647930 242897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can work if it's a whole set of course, but not too well in isolation. < 1457648063 915523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, SoI only has four mechanics < 1457648064 780326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's say, a compiler that runs in O(n log n) in the size of the original program, and does optimizations on an AST" -- um, a compiler from what to what? I think you can do peephole matching on a tree in O(n log n) if you serialize the tree in a way that it's pre/postorder and the smaller weight child is closer to the parent than the larger weight child. < 1457648073 150528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khans and Dragons each had six < 1457648101 327054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm thinking in general < 1457648122 107654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you want to be able to do a recursive tree pattern match < 1457648150 973082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for a specific example, let's say we want something that matches sexps against patterns, which allow * to mean "any sexp here" < 1457648154 402169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that a compiler also needs a symbol table, which is a dictionary, and I think that requires random access. < 1457648159 701858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and converts them to other patterns < 1457648191 818264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you could convert variables to lambdas and lambdas to stack references, Underload-style < 1457648194 942244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the trees are no problem, but referring to O(n) symbols O(n) times in an arbitrary way is effectively random access. < 1457648222 710043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, even more specific concrete example < 1457648233 519723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if the program is arbitrary, then it can refer to any symbol, even older ones < 1457648236 701408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(a $x $y)/(b $y $x)/g < 1457648248 152997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where sexps not starting with a and b are unchanged < 1457648256 191259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a stack machine do this in O(n log n) time? < 1457648258 400885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1457648261 59558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let me think < 1457648263 807929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you can do it without the /g < 1457648332 799677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also this regex syntax is highly dubious) < 1457648403 350881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have the feeling that you can do that in O(n log n) time with a couple of stacks, let me try to figure out how exactly < 1457648414 586006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of stacks matter of course, because this is something you can't do with one tape < 1457648553 89815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: first pass, annotate each node with the length (number of recursive nodes) of itself and children and grandchildren etc to a sufficient fixed depth. < 1457648560 357055 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457648582 932312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're assuming unbounded integers there < 1457648587 171988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this isn't a problem in practice < 1457648604 893732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, only O(log n) size integers, which you can handle I think < 1457648614 438153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because of that < 1457648686 694833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, let's say annotate each node with the length and head of itself and each close relative (including parent and nephew) < 1457648734 950452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second pass: read the tree in sequence, and figure out where in the output sequence each symbol will move. For this, you keep track of the offset of how much each node moves, and when you encounter an "(a" or one of its relatives, you add or subtract the right weights. < 1457648747 441142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third pass: sort everything, in O(log n) passes < 1457648754 542157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourth pass: fix it up to the output format < 1457648775 833568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this works, but I think it might. < 1457648803 527663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's probably a much easier way. < 1457648813 397066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it works that is. < 1457648911 221696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually that's a good point: can we sort a stack in O(n log n)? < 1457648922 221745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surely got to be possible but I'm not sure if any of the standard algorithms work < 1457648952 771556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, because you can sort in O(n log n) time with two or three _tapes_, that is, three to six stacks. < 1457648974 140286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, which algo? quicksort seems promising < 1457649006 137171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: much of Knuth vol 3 is about external sorting with tapes. In short, mergesort or its inverse. < 1457649032 702754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering about mergesort < 1457649085 105351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: however, radix sort also works here because you're keyed with numbers < 1457649094 248175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(log n) long numbers < 1457649136 274211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also takes O(log n) passes < 1457649140 191807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's really dirty :-) < 1457649142 216761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works though < 1457649143 881079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1457649144 942858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1457649148 663696 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1457649177 684246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to mentally react to anything that assumes integers are finitely large < 1457649188 916129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers don't work like that in theory! only in practice < 1457649227 467109 :Treio!~Treio@87.244.233.250 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1457649236 341386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my favourite algorithmic problem can be solved in O(n) time despite that it requires a sorting step, because the sorting is on keys O(log n) large < 1457649268 35701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, doesn't that give you a total O(n log log n)? < 1457649273 504906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :radix sort is O(n log k) < 1457649437 965643 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1457649491 395570 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1457649491 566730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's in the ram model with, integers large enough to address O(n), so you use bucket sort < 1457649520 320281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating :-P < 1457649521 303194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the ram model, even radix sort is O(n log n) time < 1457649541 128713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, radix sort is O(n log k), where k is the maximum value of the things you're sorting < 1457649548 379609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't require assuming that integers are bounded < 1457649553 722217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and k=O(n) here < 1457649561 725897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe k=n**O(1) < 1457649563 703663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably in the ram model, all algorithms are O(1) < 1457649572 555083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can only store a finite amount of data < 1457649579 233972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there's a large constant factor, but you don't count that :-P < 1457649585 38309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bucket sort _doesn't_ work on arbitrarily large values < 1457649596 710403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs O(n+k) times if k is your largest possible integer < 1457649653 455739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure if my algorithmic problem actually requires sorting, maybe that's just the lazy way to prove it works in O(n) < 1457649659 523873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about it < 1457649721 733941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not convinced. a simple counter could run forever as long as you keep adding memory, and it takes so long to step 64 gigs through all of its states that you have plenty of time to upgrade while it's running < 1457649749 852901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well the RAM model b_jonas is talking about includes finitely large addresses < 1457649769 484788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess you could pause the program, increase all the address sizes, then continue < 1457649826 92161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then we'll have to count up in increments of *however many rams we've used up ach time we ran out of addresses* < 1457649855 930041 :spiette!~spiette@72-53-140-195.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1457649867 948387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just remember what they had when we pulled them < 1457649916 591588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I haven't really thought about how fast it could be done on a real pointer machine (depends on the definition of the problem at that point). The interesting part of that problem to me is that it's possible but not trvial to do it in O(n**(1+epsilon)) time rather than O(n**(2+epsilon)) < 1457649942 316690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that I could use it as a great _educational_ example on what algorithm theory is about. < 1457650021 255648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the O(n**3) algorithm is obvious, and the O(n**2) algorithm is simple enough too, and I can show that the latter is faster, and can tell that there's an O(n**(1+epsilon)) time algorithm but that one is difficult. < 1457650096 773235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I'm a bit confused. < 1457650116 526563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that variant, the linear algorithm is actually O(n) and doesn't involve sorting. < 1457650159 311461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another variant where I'll have to think whether the quasi-linear algorithm can be done linearly, but in that case the exponents of the easy algorithms might be different, I'm not sure. < 1457650177 289182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I'm tired. < 1457650337 892632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, let me try to hastily assemble an M:tG deck or two since I both have to work and then will play M:tG tomorrow. < 1457650344 267665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's late. < 1457651766 514814 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-82.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1457652247 882618 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457652363 963040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1457652644 996206 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-166.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1457652883 426799 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-82.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1457652959 969554 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1457653657 372028 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1457653660 329761 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inoric < 1457653662 703961 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1457653672 95644 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inory < 1457653672 229224 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord < 1457653725 427923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inoric? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457653725 598531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457653725 598622 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inory? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1457653753 721940 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fnord? what is fnord? fnord is the space between your pixels at your monitor. fnord is the reason lisp has that many parantheses. fnord is the color only the blind can see. fnord is the sound of a single clapping hand. < 1457653756 210170 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ-calculus is the basis of normal purely-functional programming < 1457653789 490782 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn inory/Inorically, inory is when you say something is irony that really isn't < 1457653793 991978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «inory» < 1457653842 786379 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI (or another CL) is the basis of normal epically-functional programming < 1457653870 961712 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Turing machines^1 are^2 the basis^3 of imperative^4 programming^2 < 1457653928 623813 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, there's no machine that corresponds to logic programming < 1457653937 139416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's actual logic, but that's pretty different < 1457653984 923947 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual logic isn't very horny < 1457653999 800599 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a horn clause joke, ftr) < 1457654080 142011 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats hppavilion[1] for missing punctuation -----###
< 1457654085 913925 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Dammit xD < 1457654097 67873 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn inory/Inorically, inory is when you say something is irony that really isn't. Moron. < 1457654099 45985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «inory» < 1457654110 960246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit again < 1457654131 697072 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You didn't punctuate either xD < 1457654144 856425 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it only applies to wisdoms hth < 1457654152 94069 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1457654169 410321 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because `learn_append only works when things are punctuated. < 1457654208 39123 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/Moron./Someone who does this is an inorite./' wisdom/inory < 1457654209 975496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1457654244 530719 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How about we add le/rn_sub? < 1457654251 302346 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat le/rn < 1457654251 956417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; [ -e "wisdom/$key" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo "$verb «$key»" < 1457654260 596576 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: _sub? < 1457654268 64169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that supposed to mean? < 1457654269 14001 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Substitute < 1457654314 659006 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It'd be shorthand for `` sed -i 's/from/to/' wisdom/name < 1457654334 252886 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those who don't *nix pain be upon them < 1457654388 737348 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a little limited.