< 1458172813 257548 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also it is possible wisdom/test is younger than your deletion, was it more than 17 months ago? < 1458172829 713247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't remember < 1458172846 557942 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458172846 691620 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1458172846 691694 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1458172923 465385 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's so bad about "til"? btw i realized the other day that the norwegian preposition "oppå" is cognate to up-up-on hth < 1458173032 774782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my client is messed up tdnh < 1458173041 245436 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the norwegian "på" is cognate to en:upon, and means the same thing as en:on, and then the process repeated once more. < 1458173060 650276 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1458173118 403500 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no:oppå <- opp+på, no:på <- old norse:upp á < 1458173147 26566 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:oppå = en:upon by meaning, but up+upon by etymology < 1458173160 969732 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up-up-on. there's something wrong going on there... < 1458173176 717511 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1458173187 495825 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically á went out of use and på took its place. < 1458173208 235794 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, we have “au dessus”: «at the of on». < 1458173219 336652 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1458173304 554075 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458173494 960150 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i recall reading that "på" is the only norwegian word root that is not originally a borrowing that starts with "p". < 1458173509 801501 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, originally it started with "u", then. < 1458173522 179062 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :upå? < 1458173528 466629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :upp á, i said < 1458173594 373181 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh there are some pretty old borrowings, like "prest" < 1458173697 441354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean PIE didn't have words starting with "b"? < 1458173758 163438 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to be confused with "bʰ") < 1458173854 998047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\ie\piet&first=241 ← has some b- words. < 1458173959 316787 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "peg" < 1458174051 10954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, it is simply false, no:pinne is a counterexample. < 1458174104 50077 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess: no:pinne is en:pine is fr:pin. < 1458174110 450084 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, en:pin < 1458174132 112243 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:pine = no:furu < 1458174136 21714 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. < 1458174149 122103 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:furu, as in en:fir? < 1458174187 266513 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes those seem cognate < 1458174195 459545 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although en:fir = no:bartre < 1458174211 207004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, linguistics talk < 1458174234 388940 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1458174239 124906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, is norvegian "på" the same particle as swedish "på"? < 1458174242 83568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:fir isn't that broad < 1458174246 445008 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah < 1458174305 18288 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. are Hungarian trees borrowed from PIE by chance, or completely ugric? < 1458174320 20103 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently en(US):fir = no:edelgran < 1458174339 560739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "au dessus" doesn't seem too strange to me, if you compare it either to some other strange French stuff, or to those very few prepositions in Hungarian that require their argument in a case other than accusative < 1458174369 503944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: uh, I'm not sure, there are lots of trees, and I think they're borrowed from different languages because people met them in different times < 1458174395 65608 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( a time for trees... turn turn turn ♪ ) < 1458174406 833416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really know much about etymology < 1458174441 620957 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have en:larch vs. no:lerk. < 1458174444 616645 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the larch. < 1458174446 650545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the larch. < 1458174459 54486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably some of them probably come from finno-ugric roots, some from slavic, some from turkish, etc. < 1458174464 529277 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what i remember is that the hungarian word for "apple" is the same as the kazakh one. (which makes sense since that's where apples come from.) < 1458174676 405888 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that en. wiktionary has a table for alma + cases & plural, and a table for alma + possessives, but not one that combines them >:) < 1458174679 932952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if I can trust the internets, then “fűz” (willow) and “nyír” (birch) are from finno-ugric stuff, whereas “tölgy” (oak) and “bükk” (beech) are of uncertain origin. < 1458174703 682806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bükk feels very PIEish to me hth. < 1458174718 983616 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would of course essentially multiply the table sizes afaik < 1458174736 223667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: basically, many things the Magyars met while they were still nomadic and shooting arrows backwards from their horses have finno-ugric names, and things they met later when they decided to stay put and do agriculture have names that come from Slavic or Turkish. < 1458174752 322604 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. < 1458174759 35670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“fenyő” (pine) also comes from finno-ugric < 1458174770 611951 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:willow, but fr:saule and no:selje. < 1458174776 831446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't need to do agriculture to just notice the big obvious trees that are in the mountains everywhere < 1458174822 356237 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to recognize different types of trees. < 1458174832 443569 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then you have en:larch vs. no:lerk. <-- well we're really not big on "ch" hth < 1458174935 891399 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:ash no:ask... < 1458174960 570173 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not big on "sh" either < 1458174971 947920 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1458174972 498675 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:oak no:eik < 1458174986 92778 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:maple no:lønn < 1458175000 768108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:birch no:bjørk < 1458175000 938365 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :érable sounds better imfo. < 1458175037 594152 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1458175038 245440 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unusual one: en:yew no:barlind fr:if < 1458175070 976194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I totally don't know the names of most of these trees in English, I had to look them up < 1458175083 186569 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that, or willow < 1458175094 101754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, oak and pine and willow I do know, but not much more < 1458175108 412946 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:spruce = no:gran < 1458175137 810379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the rest either way, as in, neither can I tell from the English word what tree it is, nor from the tree its English name, but then, I don't know too much about plants even in Hungarian < 1458175153 759012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really a botanics sort of guy < 1458175174 808801 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT BOTANY, DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ETYMOLOGY... < 1458175186 633942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1458175208 120777 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herpetology? seismology? chickens? < 1458175224 623500 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there must be a proper word for the study of chickens < 1458175246 558459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: farming? < 1458175248 80699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably herpetology, if you squint hard enough. < 1458175326 731903 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coelosaurology < 1458175378 36981 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm mispling that < 1458175409 226070 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*coelurosaurology < 1458175443 462490 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... let's see how many mods I can install before ksp goes completely screwy < 1458175494 643752 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, avidomesticology? < 1458175499 223438 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 0 hth < 1458175531 940681 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should it be -1 < 1458175559 967973 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: mixing greek and latin, ZERO ON THE FINAL < 1458175563 699004 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true I've had things go screwy even without any mods < 1458175589 661946 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1458175612 394637 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should get some new memes but that would require actually browsing top subreddits < 1458175638 9965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Marco Rubio meme is a new one and seems to be popular recently < 1458175682 745573 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are there retro-memeticists < 1458175703 825801 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who wilfully use only memes at least 10 years old < 1458175729 491827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe but nobody would recognise them as memes < 1458175746 132288 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1458175766 119443 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even if they're obvious clichés? < 1458175776 243702 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1458175777 409785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except possibly the whole "the cake is a lie" thing, where the fact that it's an outdated meme is itself a meme; not sure if the original is 10 years old yet though < 1458175889 425601 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :marco is dead tho < 1458175902 430241 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait which marco rubio meme, there seem to be at least 3 < 1458175930 937768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's dispel with this faction that «obama» doesn't know what «he's» doing, «he» knows exactly what «he's» doing < 1458175936 949265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with this fiction < 1458175944 768219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words in «» can be swapped out, and often are < 1458175952 775597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically it gets repeated a few times, then someone says "ther eit is" < 1458175958 628155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* "there it is" < 1458175976 758061 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok makes no sense tdh < 1458175986 492974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's why it became a meme, this actually happened < 1458175989 448747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a debate, very high profile < 1458176002 574040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rubio said it four times, three of them pretty much in a row (the third time after he'd been called for doing it twice) < 1458176010 793295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "there it is" was the response at the time < 1458176055 456475 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1458176083 731221 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers dropping learning memes until the US election is over < 1458176097 833345 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not following it anyhow. < 1458176100 950968 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNRNHgi1RzU < 1458176113 492248 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAA < 1458176140 743115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I'm assuming that's a link to the original occasion? < 1458176152 243343 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1458176227 905784 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fourth time he rephrased it a bit. Still got booes < 1458176430 690154 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean while donald trump says exactly the same slogans a hundred times over < 1458176554 112433 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, his slogans are catchy < 1458176863 170469 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :china china china china china china china china. < 1458177712 781679 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdsr2R9WoAIx48G.jpg Canadian take-out! < 1458177759 6380 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1458177765 118676 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: china is not a verb < 1458177794 677188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is both a noun and an adjective though < 1458177808 251665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: bwah ah ah ah ah :D < 1458177808 385136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the adjective-noun combination is either nonsensical or tautological depending on how you look at things < 1458177842 974439 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs < 1458177874 885120 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: china china makes perfect sense < 1458177886 986252 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be exact, China china < 1458177896 579408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: oh yes, that combination works < 1458177906 625213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is one I hadn't thought of < 1458178070 271282 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejq8.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1458178155 24897 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VINYL CHICKEN < 1458178663 540663 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1458178753 542472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1458178785 420185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1458178900 643287 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1458179924 905396 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts a green hat on fungot  < 1458179925 38856 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not by far. it's awesome. and by insane, i mean) < 1458180036 762043 :AlexR42!~textual@128.204.19.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458180585 409555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1458180900 595840 :AlexR42!~textual@128.204.19.165 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1458181179 559824 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1458181179 730644 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1458181179 864232 :treaki__!~treaki@p5B11C3D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1458181179 864319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1458181255 370203 :treaki__!~treaki@p5B11C3D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1458181338 644193 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1458181514 475968 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458181514 609313 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1458181543 570299 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1458181550 440165 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458183039 683267 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We don't win anymore! We don't win with trade, we don't win with Isis, we don't win with China, we don't win with healthcare. We are going to start winning again for the American people" < 1458183222 382386 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we are going to build a wall, and who's going to pay for it?" "MEXICO!" < 1458183294 701388 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1458183302 313755 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're catchy < 1458185379 609857 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just dispense with this notion that Barack Obama doens't knwo what he's doing < 1458185407 236284 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barack Obama knows EXATLCY what he's doing < 1458185894 586639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jimmy23013 5* 10New user account < 1458185947 481081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the original was "dispel with", which people keep misquoting because it isn't correct Enlish < 1458185951 212190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*English < 1458185962 887498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they keep mentally substituting something that's actually correct < 1458186017 186024 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just mispel with this substition < 1458186306 640259 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1458186691 791260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Undefined14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46605 5* 03Jimmy23013 5* (+1136) 10Created page with "'''Undefined''' is a programming language that, every program in it causes [[undefined behavior]]. Extra command line arguments and lack of source files also triggers undefine..." < 1458186767 634750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Undefined14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46606&oldid=46605 5* 03Jimmy23013 5* (+0) 10 < 1458187067 141242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the edit summary snippet < 1458187075 482795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that every program in existence is an interpreter for this language < 1458187084 184625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called it :-) < 1458187127 723015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, it's an absence-of-language joke that hasn't been done before < 1458187188 104940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added XC_xterm_sideways < 1458187225 986367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Undefined14]]4 10 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1458191787 181885 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458191791 51003 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1458191791 806908 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1458191894 282497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why XGetSubImage requires you to specify the format for the image (if the XImage structure will already specify)? < 1458192014 810953 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1458193393 258439 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1458193579 566592 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1458193654 355841 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1458193705 715178 :AlexR42!~textual@128.204.19.165 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1458197030 234293 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1458197644 707577 :AlexR42!~textual@128.204.19.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458197752 645812 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1458198466 906188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of effects for Magic: the Gathering cards might make interesting puzzles but that do not make sense for an actual game? < 1458198593 14326 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1458198759 556075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly some such effects may even do things which are impossible in a normal game) < 1458198980 48625 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1458199167 34160 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:30d7:eab2:37b2:27d4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458199448 680079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a card that lets you undo the turn, perhaps < 1458199489 286751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this to work in a puzzle you'd have to spend resources to gain information on what's in the opponent's hand or library (or some other hidden zone), undo the turn, then use the information to win < 1458199502 563107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the solution would involve finding a winning path no matter what was there, but the details depended on what you found there < 1458199551 492477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one idea < 1458199551 787235 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1458199859 759903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1458200459 727057 :AlexR42!~textual@128.204.19.165 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1458200710 741820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things I have considered are many kind of effects that cause the game to end in a draw; with default stipulations, you have not solved the puzzle if the game ends in a draw for any reason. < 1458201082 42535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, perhaps you could also use it to mill some cards to determine what order they are in, undo the mill, and then exploit your knowledge of which cards you'll draw < 1458201259 712143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1458202384 304548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cards that are really overpowered if you can build decks with them (even in limited) but that somehow don't seem to help you in that particular puzzle. or really underpowered ones like One with Nothing; or ones obsolated for all practical purposes by different cards, like Squire. < 1458202681 999897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: One with Nothing's effect is one that many decks find useful < 1458202689 384187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that there are better cards with the effect < 1458202705 468964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a creature costing B that you can discard cards to for free, for example < 1458202717 945838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Lion's Eye Diamond costs 0 and gives you 3 mana, that's better than One with Nothing in two ways < 1458203263 582267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok < 1458203320 279180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then Squire and Grizzly Bears might be better examples < 1458203348 521828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe unless you're playing Muraganda Petroglyphs) < 1458203619 550447 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1458203995 879048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there no white bears? those would be better than Squire in pretty much all practical circumstances < 1458204015 853657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only non-contrived situation I can think of offhand where you'd prefer a Squire involves an opponent's Ensnaring Bridge) < 1458206437 11925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1458206996 755699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one non-changeling white bear, but white uses lions instead < 1458207512 916460 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1458207656 807409 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1458208008 408894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And windows already has working pipes, only they start out with a too little buffer by default so you have to change the buffer size with a windows api call, but linux had that very same problem for a while until they increased the default buffer size. < 1458208052 324300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On unix, you dealt with it by using unix domain sockets, which both had a larger buffer and a buffer of whose size you can adjust with a sockopt call. < 1458208070 62888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse on windows because no unix sockets. < 1458209397 570838 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458209414 885919 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnąrd < 1458210701 915903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458211419 623566 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it be the first thunderstorm of the year? stay tuned! < 1458211462 452929 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not. that shit can fry your machines you won't even have time to say fungot.) < 1458211462 622591 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why would it fail? < 1458211473 975328 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: because ELECTRICITY! < 1458211474 140025 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is it possible to download an offline copy of teach scheme in fixnum days < 1458211496 731041 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think you couldn't. < 1458211497 10751 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and for the live data. this is cool! :) works. i guess you know what the consequences of shouting out " heil bush" among friends, that would < 1458211530 816424 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: we say «C't'une fois George Bush...» as a lead on for a stupid joke. < 1458211531 86540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which is strange, but most libraries i see announced for cl do require low level tricky stuff :) forthers would say that. < 1458211548 700871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: forthers are special people. < 1458212332 515726 :asie!~asie@asie.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1458212670 9700 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:30d7:eab2:37b2:27d4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1458212774 313483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that canada is 50% the letter a < 1458212824 627639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabellora. now that you mention it... < 1458212902 320348 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1458213012 172975 :asie!~asie@asie.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1458213454 258459 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, the catalan language is almost 50% a's, too < 1458213525 346161 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1458213596 191109 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458213678 538089 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ADVANCED CHICKEN < 1458214250 558646 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:30d7:eab2:37b2:27d4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458216554 592643 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.115 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1458216788 378011 :spiette!~spiette@72-53-140-195.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458219059 23318 :jaboja!~jaboja@aejd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1458221702 352216 :impomatic_!~digital_w@145.2.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458222864 222725 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458223262 44127 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1458223337 184307 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1458223601 809241 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1458223838 4720 :jaboja!~jaboja@aejd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1458226138 951372 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT 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:munekita!~androirc@bl15-204-186.dsl.telepac.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1458230183 424451 :munekita!~androirc@bl15-204-186.dsl.telepac.pt QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1458232338 558936 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-662.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1458232895 980552 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1458233091 806723 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1458233808 633751 :jaboja!~jaboja@aejd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1458234510 180806 :jaboja!~jaboja@aejd230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1458235248 419921 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1458236045 361485 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1458236136 223246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1458236515 646095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1458237423 927696 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458238669 344880 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458239209 342626 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1458239827 686896 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458241994 930587 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellall < 1458242379 831557 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1458242416 107558 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1458242418 199158 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Hi < 1458242423 695263 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: HI! < 1458242427 600005 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: YOU'RE HERE! < 1458242433 461219 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: AS OPPOSED TO BEING DEAD! < 1458242434 879456 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1458242437 569839 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1458242439 341431 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1458242442 292213 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1458242451 638552 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Oooh, are you new? < 1458242459 581717 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1458242462 430201 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1458242466 554961 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually old, just stopped coming here for a few years < 1458242469 46850 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with brief interruptions < 1458242472 806248 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which i did visit < 1458242473 968790 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: adu just hasn't been online when I was recently < 1458242475 1950 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i'm sticking around < 1458242479 801216 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1458242486 680900 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Have you ever played Nomic? < 1458242491 174461 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1458242492 658037 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Nomic! < 1458242494 909504 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran a Nomic on Reddit once < 1458242500 942031 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1458242509 382217 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Yay! I'm trying to start one over Github and just need one more player :) < 1458242512 198575 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/hppavilion1/github-lambdanomic < 1458242516 200641 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1458242518 891898 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :With issues and pull requests? < 1458242531 278788 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1458242636 151335 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so thrilled that I'm not dead < 1458242641 877815 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Yeah, basically < 1458242647 932417 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: It's the best idea I had < 1458242661 26120 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We wshould really have a `rewelcome < 1458242677 53533 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: GitHub is an OK platform for it, for one particular reason: Branches < 1458242707 109967 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do branches buy us? < 1458242752 642275 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: The ability to fork off games < 1458242759 417082 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to be confused with actual forking) < 1458242768 852662 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to be confused with fucking of any sort) < 1458242773 125662 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xD) < 1458242864 742672 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Is there a problem with doing it that way? Rule proposals are done via issues, not pull requests, mind you < 1458242887 849238 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub does not have the best of interfaces < 1458242901 217490 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: It has a decent interface and hosts everything for me. < 1458242922 660256 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: And you use issues to propose rules, not pull requests, because that would be /pretty/ stupid < 1458242929 873953 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Feel like playing at all? < 1458242933 184266 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1458242938 247339 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just pop in on a random day < 1458242948 874989 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1458242959 379931 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: I need one more player to make it work xD < 1458242968 543004 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't xD < 1458242974 900811 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there are 3, and I want 4 players minimum (1 proposes a rule, 3 to vote) < 1458242981 540149 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add time < 1458242988 946425 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: ? < 1458243077 974267 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Also, the game hasn't started yet, but the initial ruleset is complete, so I can't add time :P < 1458243095 457955 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can < 1458243100 630870 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: How? < 1458243105 511464 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've just added 1.5 minutes of time between your last posts. < 1458243109 370794 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, on IRC < 1458243115 323597 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wait longer, you add more time. < 1458243120 15546 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1458243124 141274 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No xD. < 1458243126 967291 :asie!~asie@asie.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is serious business. < 1458243143 239402 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a nomic based on Juno. The hard part is figuring out what sort of messages constitute a nomic < 1458243158 565576 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Also, one of the existing players failed to follow the repo, and isn't showing up on IRC, so they won't get a memo when the game updates < 1458243164 174461 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or when they have to vote < 1458243165 685514 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1458243184 668422 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Are you AFK? < 1458243216 664132 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earendel: Hi < 1458243243 886404 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, I think I confused earendel with Elronnd) < 1458243276 257610 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello anyway < 1458243282 790906 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earendel: Yep, same to you < 1458243297 204826 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earendel: You wouldn't happen to be a Nomic player, would you? < 1458243308 729903 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, sry. < 1458243312 545895 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK :/ < 1458243350 667270 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elrond < 1458243372 776988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elrond is a rogue program originally created to police the Matrix, eventually gaining increased individuality and becoming a threat to the Machines themselves. < 1458243418 227803 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: You're part of gh λ-n, right? Do you know of anyone who would like to join so we can have enough people? < 1458243525 456620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1458243532 245013 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4chan/4chan is twice as loud as stereo. < 1458243871 537718 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1458244193 218366 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]:I'm part of a what? < 1458244215 967456 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: The Nomic I'm doing over GitHub. I think you joined, didn't you? < 1458244221 227275 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes < 1458244226 964688 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that's what it was called < 1458245804 756447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rjhunjhunwala 5* 10New user account < 1458246576 699773 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: hi < 1458246580 866143 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I was afk < 1458246589 176503 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Ah < 1458246603 206712 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: but not I am AK < 1458246609 386862 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := at keyboard < 1458246615 883793 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1458246629 752811 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/now/ < 1458246651 60581 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm attempting to write a compiler < 1458246669 566957 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: good news < 1458246692 962481 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I've got a thing that outputs ASM given the manual AST for an arithmetic expression (only using signed 64-bit integers) < 1458246697 250429 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have a typechecker < 1458246709 272977 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it doesn't output the /right/ ASM yet, but oh well < 1458246714 841365 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1458246933 138254 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1458247080 564805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46608 5* 03Rjhunjhunwala 5* (+1922) 10Created page with "= S.I.L.O.S = == Summary == S.I.L.O.S language of the future "All of the challenge of assembly all of the slowness of the jvm" A minimalist language which strives to be Turing..." < 1458247490 970504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1458247551 678335 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial sentence got me hooked up < 1458248334 933993 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1458249478 563714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458249672 45700 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458249696 335001 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hais523 < 1458249705 580754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1458249710 294337 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Did I ask you if you wanted to play lambda-nomic yet? < 1458249722 937118 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: so is it a lisp compiler? < 1458249729 817994 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I don't think so < 1458249737 671399 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: No, it's a C-ish language < 1458249745 722645 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Do you want to play lambda-nomic? Over GitHub? < 1458249759 497398 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: so did you write your own assembler too? < 1458249775 309243 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm writing an assembler that will convert to another assembler and become x86 < 1458249786 842654 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1458249795 411689 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did so because I can't be bothered to learn x86 yet < 1458249801 668321 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, the assembler is interpreted though < 1458249814 343889 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: so it's a VM < 1458249844 353171 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Currently, yes, but compiling the intermediate ASM to x86 ASM should be relatively trivial < 1458249865 533226 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I design it right, that is < 1458249873 733695 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I should try to make an MMIX JIT < 1458249888 181529 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is getting the language to go into the intermediate ASM in the first place < 1458249912 931555 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it calculate (3+(-9))*(-2) = 12, but it keeps spitting out 18 and I can't figure out why < 1458249923 102425 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: So do you want to play that nomic? < 1458249931 32958 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: what's a nomic? < 1458249946 368701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nomic < 1458249947 456193 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: It's a game of Nomic. < 1458249948 794392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an entry for this < 1458249956 417937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1458249959 77317 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Nomic is a game where you modify its own rules < 1458249960 528949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the second time I've seen that question asked this week < 1458249975 312673 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Nomic is a game where you modify the rules of the game, at least at first < 1458249976 314237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1458249977 862641 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic = ¯\(°[ZWSP])/¯ < 1458249984 493046 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke, but it's actually accurate :) < 1458250007 938541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1458250010 440151 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that funny of a joke, but a joke nonetheless) < 1458250017 421359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although few nomics remove the self-modification altogether < 1458250022 130697 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of game is it? < 1458250025 755598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if they did, they would cease to be nomics and just be games) < 1458250026 201360 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For what purpose? < 1458250033 745734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic's kind-of game-complete < 1458250041 899938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way that BF is Turing-complete < 1458250043 956212 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Read rules.md at https://github.com/hppavilion1/github-lambdanomic < 1458250046 414112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given any game, a nomic can imitate that game < 1458250048 638759 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: That's one example of a nomic < 1458250064 93683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic < 1458250064 227589 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Any computable game < 1458250082 370889 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, any game < 1458250116 335024 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "This rule is only valid if the current program halts: ..." < 1458250148 529362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: you can enact uncomputable rules in a Nomic just fine, you might just have problems enforcing them < 1458250155 750742 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fair enough < 1458250157 201143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomics actually raise a lot of philosophical problems about how games work < 1458250163 898515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I often see people break rules intentionally < 1458250190 48218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the most common view is that such rules breaches actually didn't happen, although some nomics add other methods of handling them < 1458250195 902378 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oooh, a nomic rule where breaking the rules can, in some scenarios, have some benefit < 1458250199 706630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if you have a rule, and consequences for breaking it, is it even a rule any more? < 1458250208 250902 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like putting all the money in the center of the board instead of the bank in Monopoly < 1458250239 187347 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: so? < 1458250248 635064 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: if you had a game with that as a rule, then the nomic can imitate that game < 1458250284 957794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The HTML 5 specification defines what valid documents are and also what to do in the case of invalid documents. < 1458250303 194473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's because it's two specs < 1458250307 931434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for clients and the other for servers < 1458250322 620296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec for clients includes a description of what to do if connected to a non-compliant server < 1458250434 112635 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 scholar.google.com < 1458250676 272086 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: So nomic? < 1458250794 96841 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: what about it? < 1458250831 935682 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Would you like to join my game of nomic over GitHub? < 1458250845 26229 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: oh, no thanks < 1458250850 837395 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1458250854 237660 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have very little time as is < 1458250907 713443 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I must admit it's utility as a microcosm of the U.S. legal system is interesting < 1458250942 725527 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a remarkably complete microcosm of a functional legal system" < 1458250985 624596 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-naqsblyqrzvpucbl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1458251107 311548 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-oilcjxhayabwjpuh JOIN :#esoteric < 1458251119 147699 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: have you been playing? < 1458251148 478256 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: No, I've been trying to get enough players to start :P < 1458251163 30368 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I see 3 in the players ifle < 1458251165 334509 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need at least 4 and I have 3, though one didn't follow the repo and as such won't get the memo when we start < 1458251196 680048 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 because one person proposes a rule, and 3 is pretty much the bare minimum number of voters for a working game < 1458251228 332429 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I'd like to see a game on a shelf in 5 years with a big sticker that says "started as a nomic" < 1458251256 819645 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Would lol, but can't < 1458251277 806313 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: why can't lol? < 1458251293 460837 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I don't lol < 1458251300 495697 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1458251306 520173 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regilious reasons? < 1458251317 416497 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: are you a grumpy person? < 1458251371 787876 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: No < 1458251387 614337 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I just got overexposed to comedy and developed a tolerance to funny things :P < 1458251396 133847 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find them funny, but I don't reflexively laugh < 1458251413 158244 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1458251428 725365 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: oh no, 4chan has immunized you to humor < 1458251468 684800 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Not 4chan < 1458251477 228052 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet? < 1458251492 230193 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat pics? < 1458251508 473042 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Daily Show? < 1458251513 987829 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-oilcjxhayabwjpuh QUIT :Changing host < 1458251514 121468 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458251514 121545 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1458251514 121572 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-oilcjxhayabwjpuh JOIN :#esoteric < 1458251705 424456 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I genuinly hope you get your humor back, it's a vital life skill < 1458251736 606300 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I don't lack humor, I just don't laugh out loud at funny things < 1458251778 558716 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, neither do I but I still say "lol" when the corner of my mouth starts to smile < 1458251823 269697 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-248-249.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1458251867 912797 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should make our own acronym for silent LOLs, like "Silent & Merry" or S&M for short < 1458251887 22640 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/zMLE7a3faI4 i like the game < 1458252201 674401 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458252699 749307 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1458252705 400862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy water/Holy water is water made by boiling the hell out of Spain. < 1458252875 326924 :Alcest!~alcest@69.64.40.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458253015 500480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where boiling = applying boily < 1458253045 6083 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks olsner < 1458253052 815319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you boiling? < 1458253053 180260 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm using some cvs version of plt bindings for fuse, if anyone here actually read on lisp by graham as an intro to programming and problem solving. and a bad one < 1458253056 633166 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. you scored 0.9 shachafs for that. < 1458253062 283355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1458253282 544302 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What's shachaf's average shachaf score? < 1458253295 946864 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Also, what's the Cosmic Background Shachafery's level? < 1458253326 426674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the banana equivalent shachaf dose? < 1458253405 921881 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas, hppavellon[2]. < 1458253415 503071 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. are you bananas? < 1458253433 438212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask fungot < 1458253433 707314 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good gracious i leave for two or three words ( and trap to gc if it exceeds 8 when leaving the page, but it < 1458253440 934297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banana < 1458253443 612815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1458253458 435590 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn banana/nananananananananananananananana. < 1458253460 288183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pineapple < 1458253463 330210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «banana» < 1458253464 138477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, making it a class 6 vegetable. < 1458253484 297461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not bananas, I think he might be ananas < 1458253506 12928 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/pineapple < 1458253509 565542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf shachaf oerjan elliott boily olsner < 1458254504 176724 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458254566 56121 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1458254619 244544 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and here I am < 1458254659 932805 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nhellooga! < 1458254690 502344 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at last! one of my random @tells worked! ha ha ha. mwah ah ah ah ah. MWAAH AH AH AH AH!!! < 1458254698 928092 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhellooily < 1458254706 290787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1458254708 86945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1458254709 876228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1458254713 190875 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1458254715 139816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooga is the correct spelling < 1458254724 771095 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1458254748 280868 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I'll respond to noo+ga < 1458254840 819999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooooooooooga < 1458254841 560241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooga? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1458254910 441659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Do you mean /no(o+ga)?/? < 1458254941 34682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah christ < 1458254943 12951 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1458254948 254598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is different to nooodl then?? < 1458254948 467068 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you got me < 1458254970 181744 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Helloover. they are different entities. < 1458254985 75957 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellynn! < 1458254988 534770 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough cough < 1458255029 110478 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any new, interesting bf derivatives? < 1458255063 742218 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new, interesting, derivative: pick two. < 1458255121 338149 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf derivative, interesting: pick one? < 1458255179 346906 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1458255202 117405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait who's nooga then < 1458255204 99167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish? < 1458255206 315569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends with asie? < 1458255220 533760 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, have you seen him lately? < 1458255263 518411 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: He was on just a little bit ago < 1458255271 773779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nooga a kind of nougat? < 1458255274 310362 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact < 1458255280 381817 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Someone's looking for you < 1458255321 86910 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nougat theme was raised 2 or 3 years ago IIRC < 1458255330 796225 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, can't get my compiler to compile < 1458255334 988071 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm an idiot < 1458255344 166434 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm trying to do should be simple < 1458255361 484597 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want -(-x) to compile into the proper ASM < 1458255366 196649 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without optimization < 1458255372 271220 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should spit out x < 1458255377 930473 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yup, Polish but I'm not friends with asie, never had a chance to meet him ;P < 1458255407 911993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the second is a nooodl-property, you have obviously become a hybrid individual in my mind < 1458255438 244566 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sort of like \oren\ and oerjan for me in my first few weeks? < 1458255465 687291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a really weird hybrid < 1458255476 313086 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: o..r..n < 1458255487 452139 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've been idling here since 2005 I think < 1458255489 813498 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan and oren both fit the pattern < 1458255496 761715 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.*r.*n < 1458255497 823501 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then forgot to run irssi one day < 1458255592 351441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean as the notional person < 1458255612 513980 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1458255628 228658 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.* <-- most useless regex ever < 1458255641 574151 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want... well, just give me whatever. I don't give a shit" < 1458255752 734006 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan and int-e are two resonance structures for the same molecule. < 1458255761 392868 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[^"]*" ;d < 1458255820 944480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: hellooga < 1458255851 185382 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: forgot an n < 1458255859 102954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I? < 1458255876 545266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/nooga < 1458255884 203674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott nooga Bike FreeFull elliott Sgeo olsner oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia < 1458255890 399720 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know anything about compilation? < 1458255897 353846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few things. < 1458255927 910919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether any of them are about compilation is confidential.) < 1458255952 731269 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What should I compile - (negation) to? < 1458255964 816721 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allowing compilation to be recursive? < 1458255971 333429 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming I have to use SUB or RSUB < 1458256052 201886 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEG < 1458256064 235679 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello. SYN SYN ENQ. < 1458256066 574811 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: the easiest way is to write an interpreter and write a program that traces its execution and dumps the trace as the compiled form < 1458256087 209068 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of interpreter's input < 1458256191 83513 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: That sounds like a joke < 1458256199 680128 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: So I'm just going to ignore it < 1458256207 155560 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you wish < 1458256208 284680 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm using SUB and RSUB < 1458256212 110238 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then check out pypy < 1458256317 381504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: What do you compile anything to? < 1458256438 877528 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ? < 1458256453 589818 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, to ASM < 1458256457 56031 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A generic ASM < 1458256476 601613 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspired, of all places, by TIS-100 (without the parallellity) < 1458256506 81337 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1458256534 59534 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: What? < 1458256535 624191 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x is always 0-x < 1458256537 858021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the question is. < 1458256542 644409 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes... < 1458256548 962000 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1458256553 873817 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is probably an idiot < 1458256561 331283 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: how do you compile y-x ? < 1458256571 561011 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub y,x < 1458256574 499239 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have left out crucial details that hppavilion[1] forgot were the core of the issue < 1458256584 23238 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :substitute y for 0 ? < 1458256584 682943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1458256596 920433 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: SUB is unary and is basically "decrement the accumulator by n" < 1458256598 46619 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tadaaa < 1458256649 258074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov akk, 0 < 1458256651 888172 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the argument is < 0 ? < 1458256652 737454 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub x < 1458256705 564931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still 0-x) < 1458256707 197516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just disallow negation. < 1458256708 785814 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And... hm... this seems 1000000 times easier, but every time I go back it becomes difficult < 1458256714 561455 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Solution! < 1458256731 150590 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem: P xed, and I do not want people to x < 1458256732 755927 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go back"? < 1458256739 456588 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I was asking hppavilion[2] < 1458256741 223646 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: THOU SHALT NOT x < 1458256760 195846 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: about his architecture limitations ;d < 1458256774 459306 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: what would SUB -10 do ? < 1458256777 531407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnnso? < 1458256781 238879 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know my problem < 1458256787 409180 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: add 10, most likely < 1458256796 34069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your problem is that you don't know the target architecture. < 1458256803 693486 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then: LD 0; SUB x ? < 1458256805 348060 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That too < 1458256813 166352 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which is odd, given that I made it < 1458256911 686995 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE we go < 1458256996 494422 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time design an OISC < 1458257008 366467 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: No < 1458257029 769617 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, they're awesome, TTAs and stuff < 1458257111 417954 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1458257116 189598 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've once made a TTA computer from 74 chips on a huge breadboard < 1458257133 246861 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then lost the breadboard, which was the most expensive part of that precious rig < 1458257399 349745 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1458257400 441754 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1458257417 291117 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION happily claps to himself < 1458257555 806417 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1458257568 701982 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1458257574 621172 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458257583 779762 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1458257650 624915 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I got it working < 1458257652 650638 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1458257660 556515 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had to rewrite the compilation from scratch < 1458257683 329346 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1458257753 64380 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Hi! < 1458257966 678488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a great use for ubsan to implement a weak version UB-C the other day - UB-C is a C dialect where you can only use undefined behavior, but the weaker version might only e.g. require that each statement invoke UB or that each function must UB before returning < 1458257983 455007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you implement the ubsan error callbacks so they just set a flag, you could have other instrumented code (profiling instrumentation perhaps?) check the flag to ensure that some UB has been triggered and abort if it hasn't < 1458258008 147924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nasal Demon C. < 1458258015 969839 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1458258021 684561 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I might call it Nasal Demon Tribute < 1458258267 752733 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's impression of american voters http://heltnormalt.no/truthfacts < 1458258369 771963 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who makes that comic anyway... < 1458258465 925045 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's wulff & morgenthaler < 1458258627 100229 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Translation? < 1458258641 51793 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the comics on that site have norwegian text but often the translators slip up just enough to see that many of them are translated from danish. < 1458258669 918131 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: "american voters" "idiot" "idiot with a weapon" < 1458258679 783094 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1458258709 815414 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: YOU ARE NOT HELPING THEIR CASE < 1458258721 745022 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HOW SO < 1458258758 450503 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd said enough that the meaning would be obvious. < 1458258761 734828 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@97-102-128-200.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1458258812 36719 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: Hello. < 1458258975 635055 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1458258987 470692 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. AAAAAAAAAAAAA? < 1458259013 155503 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just typed in my work password to my home compuer eight-ten times before I realized. < 1458259026 316607 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so your password is AAAAAAAAAAAAA? < 1458259033 813434 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got really frustrated with my own stupidity < 1458259062 911083 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a digimon and some random number < 1458259078 717815 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like a 14 year old's yahoo email < 1458259096 370574 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the universe is running out of intelligence flux, it would explain so much < 1458259130 947921 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. you're saying intelligence flows, much like telluric currents? < 1458259158 314129 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I < 1458259168 249246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiclearly. < 1458259171 813943 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :will add maybe 5 to 10 more mods