00:01:46 rdococ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_removal#Direct_air_capture 00:01:54 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:02:08 * oerjan is currently editing that a tiny bit 00:06:05 [wiki] [[Beeswax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46665&oldid=46374 * Albedo * (+49) /* Program flow control/conditional operations */ instruction 'Q' added 00:06:13 hmm 00:06:16 -!- bender| has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:06:58 hm maybe i should have just used an anchor to start with. 00:07:28 they need to make sure they're not to effective, or else people with them in enclosed spaces will end up dying of too much oxygen 00:08:07 ugh, I hate how HackEgo links to the diff page but not to the article itself 00:08:47 rdococ: Agreed 00:08:52 hey, what about a 2d programming language in polar coordinates? 00:09:15 [wiki] [[Beeswax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46666&oldid=46665 * Albedo * (+102) /* Global stack related I/O */ instruction V explanation extended 00:09:39 or a 0d programming language 00:09:45 or -1d 00:10:28 what would negative information be like anyway 00:10:40 negative information would subtract information, right 00:10:43 rdococ: you don't die from too much oxygen. it can pose some fire hazard to flammable objects, but it doesn't just kill you. space stations and some diving equipment use air with a much higher oxygen content than the atmosphere, and it doesn't hurt people. you die to higher carbon dioxide content, or lower oxygen content. 00:11:00 * oerjan drops that edit 00:11:48 hyperoxia 00:12:13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity 00:12:28 from a quick read of the first paragraph or two 00:12:35 I don't think it's exactly what I mean 00:12:40 but the problem might still hold 00:13:09 -!- lleu has joined. 00:13:09 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 00:13:09 -!- lleu has joined. 00:13:15 http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you 00:13:33 apparently, breathing pure oxygen is deadly 00:13:54 yet wikipedia says people can breathe pure oxygen without dying 00:13:56 who's right 00:13:57 help 00:16:18 what about a... 00:16:21 programmeing language 00:16:43 rdococ: Where? 00:17:01 google says a programme is "a planned series of future events", as opposed to "program" 00:17:33 I guess a programme is just a linear program 00:17:46 but that takes the fun out of it 00:17:58 we must get people to programme programmes in a programmeing language 00:19:38 print hello world at 1:20 on 28/03/2016 00:20:01 hello world 00:20:03 [wiki] [[Beeswax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46667&oldid=46666 * Albedo * (+118) Introduction extended 00:21:36 hmm 00:23:52 This is an example of a programme -> "I will say "hello world" at 3:20 PM on 29/03/2016. Then the user will say "hello programme". If all goes according to plan, I will say "yay"." 00:23:54 who's right <-- iiuc 100% oxygen is harmless if the pressure is low enough <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity#Hypobaric_setting 00:23:59 *-<-- 00:24:05 depends how low the pressure has to be 00:24:14 0.3 bar, it says 00:24:17 see 00:24:24 at 1 bar, rip 00:24:27 rdococ: ok, maybe it can hurt you a bit 00:24:38 rip at 1 bar 00:25:20 "breathing oxygen at pressures of 0.5 bar or more for more than 16 hours can lead to irreversible lung damage and, eventually, death." 00:25:24 death 00:25:25 rip 00:25:26 nada 00:25:28 "This general property of gases is also true in chemical reactions of gases in biology. For example, the necessary amount of oxygen for human respiration, and the amount that is toxic, is set by the partial pressure of oxygen alone. This is true across a very wide range of different concentrations of oxygen present in various inhaled breathing gases or dissolved in blood." 00:25:38 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure 00:25:42 pressure 00:26:00 note that "partial" is important here 00:26:08 partial pressure? 00:26:22 so it's the pressure of one part of a mixed gas? 00:26:29 approximately. 00:26:36 or essentially. 00:26:46 well 00:27:05 In a mixture of gases, each gas has a partial pressure which is the hypothetical pressure of that gas if it alone occupied the volume of the mixture at the same temperature. The total pressure of an ideal gas mixture is the sum of the partial pressures of each individual gas in the mixture. 00:27:10 ty wikipedia 00:27:16 explained it better than anyone else could 00:27:28 i was just about to paste that. 00:27:34 oh lol 00:28:10 a program would be like a game where you can win or lose, a programme would be like a game where things go as planned, or they don;t 00:29:09 I guess a programme is just a linear program <-- that's just british vs. american, at least originally. 00:29:23 what about a programming language where your program is just a platforming level 00:34:13 I'm using their british meaning 00:35:34 "UK: programme is used in all cases except for computer code, in which case program is generally used. Older sources may use programme for computer code." 00:35:44 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/program#English 00:36:28 * oerjan looks suspiciously at rdococ's cloak 00:36:32 exactly 00:36:44 duh, why did you think I took notice of the all europeans thing 00:36:48 so, just get with the programme 00:37:12 rdococ: hey you could be from new zealand. or madagascar. 00:37:52 "New Zealand: programme is favoured by New Zealand dictionaries, and is endorsed by government usage; program is rarely seen outside the computing meaning." 00:38:25 the australians are conflicted: "Australia: program is endorsed by the Australian government, but programme is most common." 00:38:41 well program is more usually used for program code, and programme rarely 00:38:59 so programme not code 00:45:20 either way, I mean the definition that is not program 00:47:04 OKAY 00:47:13 `? gazpacho 00:47:30 You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! 00:47:47 `? noooodl 00:47:55 nooooooodl is the correct spelling 00:48:06 `? nooga 00:48:08 no. 00:48:25 `? lynn 00:48:26 lynn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:51:04 hmm 00:51:20 so a programmeing language would allow you to make programmes 00:51:35 but if something doesn't go according to plan 00:51:36 -!- lynn_ has changed nick to lynn. 00:51:40 you must have a backup plan 00:51:44 or else error 00:53:13 errorre 00:53:18 and planne 00:53:20 lynn: hellynn. you don't have a wisdom entry. and that's terrible hth 00:53:30 oerjanne. 00:53:48 `? maur 00:53:49 maur? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:53:57 boily: technically she has at least two hth 00:54:34 oerjanne would be female. also exceedingly cheesy. 00:54:49 * oerjan checks if anyone has that name 00:55:17 mwah ah ah. 00:55:42 boily: boilut~ 00:56:10 i find it used as a hashtag for a wedding... 00:56:29 but not as an actual name. 00:56:37 hm time to check ssb 00:57:26 < 4 persons by that name, it says 00:57:55 it would likely not be a legal name, at least for children. 00:58:12 so it is legal for adults? excellent! 00:58:16 (< 4 might include 0) 00:58:52 although everyone would _understand_ it as someone's misguided attempt to regender "Ørjan". 01:01:42 first cognate hit i find is "Jørgine", 78 women. (vs. "Jørgen", 10999 men.) 01:02:25 those women are probably old, most of them. 01:03:03 * oerjan checks Ørjanine just for good measure 01:03:38 this ørjanine treads dangerously close to one infamous orange soda brand... 01:03:55 huh "William" was last year's top boy's name in norway 01:04:54 and in Oslo, "Mohammad" stays put at the top :P 01:06:28 oerjan: Oh, I thought that entry was removed but if course it's under mauri. 01:06:36 on the topic of names and gender, I'm surprised at how people always talk about how some things portray women as objects, but not the things that portray men as objects. also, in a programming environment, both are objects. 01:06:50 lynn: Should wisdom/mauri be removed? 01:07:06 "don't be an object, program in haskell!" 01:07:18 shachaf: That'd be nice 01:08:14 what if everything was a function 01:08:34 so it is legal for adults? excellent! <-- i'm not sure exactly what the law is these days. 01:09:06 1 is actually function (getPredecessor?) if getPredecessor? then return 0 end end 01:09:21 Then you have combinatory logic? 01:09:29 probsably 01:09:32 fungot, are you an object? 01:09:32 b_jonas: i tried to say that: ( ( foo xxx)) yyy) ( ( y x) 01:09:35 but it looks different 01:09:46 fungot: I don't understand that 01:09:46 b_jonas: i am fnord making conversation. it is 01:09:52 `rm wisdom/mauri 01:09:56 fungot: yes, you are. 01:09:56 b_jonas: the original fnord code and fnord cyclexa asap, and i couldn't put down to simple ignorance of specific facts about canada. 01:09:58 No output. 01:10:16 lynn: How about nooodl? 01:10:57 I feel like that's a classic <3 01:11:05 fungot: there are no facts about Canada. 01:11:06 boily: see the announcement on c.l.s. 01:11:24 c.l.s.... that would be Comp Lang Scheme, right? 01:11:32 `? object 01:11:33 An object is just something in a category. 01:11:35 rdococ: i don't see how that definition would work for 0 and getPredecessor? seems redundant anyway. 01:11:47 just use church numerals. 01:11:58 oerjan: true 01:12:04 0 = function () end 01:12:11 1 = function () return 0 end 01:12:15 2 = function () return 1 end 01:12:43 successor = function (x) return function () return x end end 01:12:56 boily: what about hypothetical facts? 01:13:13 add = function (x, y) return -- umm 01:13:31 oerjan: then they are certain facts, as they are hypotehtically correct, eh? 01:14:18 or 01:14:21 0 = {} 01:14:22 rdococ: i'm just saying, how would you call such a function in such a way that you could distinguish 0 from 1 01:14:24 1 = {0} 01:14:37 function (x) return x end 01:14:39 jk 01:14:49 false = function () return false end 01:14:54 true = function () return true end 01:15:11 function equals(x, y) return -- umm 01:15:14 rdococ: a Tautological Functional Language 01:15:26 use binary to make computations more efficient! 01:15:37 it could be done with almost every type 01:15:38 array 01:15:41 function 01:15:45 banana 01:15:47 b_jellonas. correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we doing that already? 01:15:55 BANANA! 01:15:56 boily: like "Ottawa would be the capital of Canada, if Canada existed." 01:16:05 oerjan: point on. 01:16:09 canada exists 01:16:13 reference implementation: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs 01:16:14 but that's true 01:16:18 technically true 01:16:38 hmm 01:16:40 boily: do you also think rdococ has trouble fitting in with the channel humor tdnh 01:17:13 boily: basically yes. we're actually using a higher radix (2**16 or 2**32 or 2**64) and arithmetic on digits of that size is built in, but the goal is the same, achieving efficiency with it 01:17:14 oerjan: what? I understood the logical humor perfectly - he said a statement which didn't assume something it's safe to assume 01:17:31 (even without specific support for digits, base 4 would probably be more efficient than base 2) 01:17:55 * boily mapoles rdococ a bit to realign his chäkräs 01:18:04 chakwhat 01:18:13 mapoles? 01:18:17 * boily realigns rdococ some more 01:18:21 `? mapole 01:18:22 A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. 01:18:32 `? chäkrä 01:18:33 chäkrä? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:18:33 function = function () return function end 01:18:35 `? maple 01:18:36 maple? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:18:39 hellolsner! 01:18:40 oops, scrolled way up 01:18:48 anything = function () return anything end 01:18:55 rdococ: I like diæresises. 01:19:10 `? diæresises 01:19:11 diæresises? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:19:19 pls tell me what these words mean 01:19:36 `? function 01:19:37 function? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:19:37 `? fun 01:19:38 fun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:19:39 `? fn 01:19:40 fn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:19:42 boily: I think it's diaereses 01:19:46 seriously? 01:19:57 we need entries for those 01:20:02 `? lambda 01:20:02 lambda? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:06 `? sub 01:20:07 sub? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:08 who's we here? 01:20:10 <\oren\> `quote oren 01:20:11 1225) when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? apparently not santa claus Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1226) <{\[oren]|}> zzo38:it will cause problems by 01:20:12 `? subroutine 01:20:13 subroutine? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:14 I don't need entries for those. 01:20:17 `? proc 01:20:18 proc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:22 `? procedure 01:20:23 procedure? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:24 Come on, this is getting a bit botspammy even for this channel. 01:20:26 <\oren\> `quote diarrea 01:20:27 No output. 01:20:32 `? subprogram 01:20:33 subprogram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:36 <\oren\> `quote e with dia 01:20:36 1250) I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea 01:21:09 `learn Maples are the sacred trees of Canada, from which a true Canadian can make anything. 01:21:12 Learned 'maple': Maples are the sacred trees of Canada, from which a true Canadian can make anything. 01:21:48 <\oren\> `quote problems 01:21:49 1226) <{\[oren]|}> zzo38:it will cause problems by being hilarious 01:22:33 oerjan: are true canadians similar to true scotsmen 01:22:46 a true canadian can make anything from maples? 01:22:49 what about computers 01:22:52 or turing machines 01:22:57 or tesseracts 01:23:28 <\oren\> canadian computers use asbestos as the substrate 01:23:31 shachaf: definitely. 01:23:33 -!- mihow has joined. 01:24:07 hmm, substrate is almost an anagram of asbestos 01:24:23 you can get b 01:24:27 e.g. asbestrus 01:24:29 you can get asbestos in maples? 01:24:30 you aren't seeing things. simply a coincidence. happens all the time. la la la ♪ 01:24:51 > map sort ["asbestos","substrate"] 01:24:53 ["abeossst","aberssttu"] 01:25:41 > sort "asbestur" 01:25:43 "abersstu" 01:25:48 boily: is there a problem? 01:26:55 I almost typoed that as "substrate is almost an anagram of substrate" 01:27:25 <\oren\> rdococ: it's a joke because canada is a major producer of asbestos 01:27:36 almost is almost an anagram of asbestos 01:28:01 sobstate 01:28:15 as the saying goes, the best os is asbestos 01:28:16 there are no nefarious plans behind anything you might conjecture tonight. 01:28:52 new, Array Language! 0 = [] 1 = [[]] okay this is getting old 01:28:56 um 01:29:57 1 = function () return 0 end, vs 1 = [0] 01:34:13 add = function (x, y) return ifequal(y, function () end, x, add(function () return x end, y())) end -- what is ifequal(x, y, trueReturn, falseReturn)? 01:35:08 ifequal = function (x, x, trueReturn, falseReturn) return true end 01:35:19 nil would be function () end() 01:35:24 nil = function () end() 01:35:29 hey, it works 01:35:30 yay 01:35:32 well 01:35:34 not 01:35:36 well 01:35:37 nevermind 01:36:55 * rdococ 's chäkräs have been realigned 01:37:06 * rdococ thinks so anyway 01:37:33 you have ^^ 01:38:02 now attaining SUPER SPIRITUAL POWER 01:38:16 * rdococ can now transform into SUPER RDOCOC 01:38:37 well, there are as many chäkräs as there are chaos emeralds 01:39:59 The noun tautology originates from the Greek word tautologos, meaning “repeating what is said.” 01:40:01 definitely 01:40:33 function () return function () return function (x, y) return function (z) return z end end end end 01:40:42 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 01:41:35 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 01:42:12 -!- idris-bot has joined. 01:42:12 -!- idris-bot has quit (Client Quit). 01:42:15 Tautologos it is 01:42:49 -!- idris-bot has joined. 01:42:55 whatever happened to the editor? 01:43:07 none of the editing things bold, italic etc show up but I can still use them 01:59:39 rdococ: with my psychic powers i can see that the answer is... gremlins! 02:02:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:07:30 2016! finally got to January 2016! 02:07:59 * boily GLASSWORK CHICKEN 02:08:12 * boily meant /quit. fried brain and all that sort of thing... 02:08:18 -!- boily has quit (Quit: GLASSWORK CHICKEN). 02:09:39 -!- Melvar` has joined. 02:11:06 -!- XorSwap has joined. 02:11:09 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:11:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:11:30 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:13:30 I'm designing a language that compiles to JS, HTML, and CSS. I'm currently at functions, and I've come up with what I feel is a clever way to efficiently do curried functions while targeting JavaScript, with the bonus of keyword arguments 02:13:37 Implicit Lambdas 02:14:20 Given foo :: Int -> Float -> String -> Bool 02:14:31 (And variable-length arguments 02:15:09 You can do something like bar = foo(\2, \1, "walrus") to get a functions bar :: Float -> Int -> Bool 02:15:33 And you can partially apply foo with bar = foo(9, 2.7| 02:15:59 And then bar("s") == foo(9, 2.7, "s") 02:16:13 It's not as pretty as Haskell, but it gets the job done(R) 02:16:24 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:19:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:20:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:20:29 Huh. I can't get HexChat to autoreplace (R) to the registered trademark symbol 02:27:22 hppavilion[1]: use the compose key 02:27:28 compose + o + r 02:27:31 ® 02:27:47 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:31:42 -!- tromp has quit. 02:34:36 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:39:47 Here is a part of TVMIDI specification: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/TVMIDI 02:40:28 Please tell me any comment/question/suggestion/complaint. 02:46:05 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:55:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:01:06 -!- tromp has joined. 03:13:12 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:18:55 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:23:27 Rotary Turing Machine 03:23:38 It's like a turing machine, but instead of a tape it's a spindle with rotors 03:24:05 So you can only transition the symbol to one of two other symbols (or one other symbol) 03:24:08 MUCH more stupid 03:24:17 (Brainfuck is a good example) 03:30:09 that's not tc 03:30:16 that's not a turing machine 03:36:43 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:39:25 izabera: It isn't, correct. 03:39:57 izabera: Though if you allow the symbol to have no transition, it's at least TC for binary 03:40:18 Because no transition is x -> x, while transition is x -> ~x 03:41:32 And since whether a transition is taken is based off of the current symbol, you can make sure it maps to the correct symbol 03:41:33 what? 03:41:47 izabera: What what? 03:42:08 "TC for binary" <- what does this mean? 03:42:42 izabera: *for a binary alphabet 03:42:55 izabera: Forgot to say "alphabet" 03:43:44 izabera: Because a 3-state binary TM is TC, so a 3-state rotary TM with a no-transition option and a binary alphabet is also TC 03:44:04 bullshit 03:44:18 your memory is finite 03:44:36 izabera: Did I not imply that the spindle is infinite? 03:44:46 izabera: It's not just one rotor, it's an infinite spindle of rotors 03:45:02 izabera: I thought I said that... 03:45:05 i see, we're back to the usual nonsense 03:45:11 izabera: Yeah, we are 03:45:23 izabera: I was thinking about the Enigma, so I came up with this 03:46:01 izabera: Be glad it doesn't have rollover. 03:46:11 please stop highlighting me 03:46:16 OK 03:46:25 (There's also the switchboard machine, which is most certainly not turing-complete) 03:46:44 (I almost highlighted you with "OK" xD) 03:46:58 i would have ignored you 03:47:54 It would have been by mistaek 03:47:59 It was an accident. 03:53:59 [wiki] [[The Abstract Computer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46668&oldid=46637 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) Capitalization 04:10:29 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:25:15 -!- earendel has joined. 04:26:40 -!- bb010g has joined. 05:24:47 http://mathoverflow.net/a/53738 05:40:54 I have seen that before 05:51:16 you know it's a good day when your upgrade includes the Erlang manpages 05:51:22 when you haven't touched erlang in years 05:53:38 <\oren\> erlang sounds like a language based on indecision 05:53:54 <\oren\> uh... er... eeeh... 05:54:13 I should make that language 05:54:20 it can be called Errlang 05:54:26 so that you think it's about error handling 05:54:38 what should the syntax be like? errr 05:55:55 -!- mihow has joined. 05:57:34 <\oren\> well it's like what if an "if" statement actually executes both paths and then decides which one to kkep at the end? 05:57:49 <\oren\> that's indecisive 05:58:45 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 05:58:50 <\oren\> `metar CYYZ 05:59:04 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found 05:59:05 \oren\: hah! I'm not near YYZ 05:59:13 <\oren\> @metar CYYZ 05:59:14 CYYZ 280555Z 06003KT 15SM TS SCT035CB OVC100 08/04 A2964 RMK CB3AC5 FRQT LTGIC W-NW PRESFR SLP044 05:59:34 (CYKF is closer to my usual haunt anyway) 06:00:20 <\oren\> i'm in yyz and i was wondering if the rumble I just heard was thunder or some asshole's loud bike 06:00:45 oh 06:00:47 why are you in yyz? 06:00:53 -!- deltab has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:02:58 -!- deltab has joined. 06:03:39 <\oren\> i live in yyz 06:06:02 @metar ENVA 06:06:02 ENVA 280550Z 15018KT CAVOK 07/M03 Q0995 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 16022KT 06:09:55 \oren\: wait really 06:09:58 why have we never met up 06:10:46 @metar KOAK 06:10:47 KOAK 280553Z 27011KT 10SM SCT160 13/07 A3002 RMK AO2 SLP164 T01330067 10167 20128 58001 06:10:54 @metar KSEA 06:10:55 KSEA 280553Z 16004KT 10SM FEW060 05/03 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP202 60007 T00500033 10100 20050 51011 06:50:13 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:01:45 A chess problem: 1r5K/6PP/8/8/8/1k4q1/6P1/8 = 07:10:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 07:11:31 Another one: 8/5KP1/7k/8/6P1/8/8/8 #3 07:25:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:50:43 -!- tromp has joined. 07:52:32 (It isn't very complicated) 07:54:51 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:56:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:19:14 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 08:25:48 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 09:09:48 -!- Reece` has joined. 09:36:47 -!- nooga has joined. 10:01:49 A book called "Encyclopedia of absolute and relative knowledge" contains some lies about chess. It claims that Chaturanga is an ancestor of chess, cards, and dominoes, and that it used dice with four symbols of four Indian castes: swords=warriors, sticks=peasants, cups=priests, coins=merchants. It also claims that the four card suits are somehow linked to the four DNA nucleotides. 10:05:37 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:08:28 Of course that is complete nonsense. Indian cards do not use Latin suits, and the game of Chaturanga does not even use dice. (A different game, called Chaturaji, does use dice, although they have the numbers 2 to 5 and not the Latin card suits.) 10:10:47 -!- bender| has joined. 10:41:16 -!- nooga has joined. 10:51:38 -!- tromp has joined. 10:55:55 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:30:34 hehe, “check each bean individually” 11:50:53 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 11:52:44 -!- nooga has joined. 12:04:03 more loke encyclopedia of absolute stupidity 12:08:31 like* 12:13:50 I'm trying to think of how to do an ifEqual(x, y, trueCase, falseCase) in Tautologos 12:14:36 -!- idris-bot has joined. 12:15:20 `? stupidity 12:15:40 `? intelligence 12:15:42 what part of "relative knowledge" is so hard to understand? 12:15:47 * int-e runs. 12:15:49 uh 12:15:58 relative knowledge is fake? 12:16:15 stupidity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:16:15 intelligence? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:16:21 ... 12:16:49 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 12:17:08 `learn Intelligence is a scarce resource that is distributed by the CIA. 12:17:09 maybe there is an alternate universe 12:17:13 Learned 'intelligence': Intelligence is a scarce resource that is distributed by the CIA. 12:17:37 `? cia 12:17:38 cia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:17:46 * int-e shrugs 12:17:56 `learn Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly. 12:17:58 Learned 'stupidity': Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly. 12:20:32 -!- liu has joined. 12:47:36 -!- lynn has joined. 12:49:09 -!- liu has quit (Quit: 离开). 13:03:32 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 13:05:12 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: storm). 13:12:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:13:11 -!- tromp has joined. 13:13:12 -!- p34k has joined. 13:27:23 -!- nycs has joined. 13:27:53 -!- boily has joined. 13:38:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:40:38 @tell oerjann hellørjanne! GG! 13:40:38 Consider it noted. 13:43:16 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:43:47 -!- Reece has joined. 13:45:12 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:09:44 -!- Reece has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:10:09 -!- Melvar has joined. 14:17:51 -!- lynn_ has joined. 14:21:57 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:27:15 tick tock 14:30:56 -!- idris-bot has joined. 14:30:56 rdocelloc. tick tock? 14:32:30 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 14:36:31 -!- lynn has joined. 14:39:06 -!- lynn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 14:43:36 what 14:43:40 boiloclock 14:45:01 @localtime rdococ 14:45:30 @localtime boily 14:45:31 Local time for boily is Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:45:30 -0400 14:45:38 -0400? 14:45:39 really 14:45:46 how many americans can there be 14:45:58 the future sucks 14:46:01 can I go back to the past 14:49:30 I'm not American, I'm Canadian, eh? 14:49:45 same thing 14:49:51 * boily mapoles rdococ 14:49:58 `? mapole 14:50:03 what is a mapole 14:50:06 seriously 14:50:19 it's a great big maple stick. it's very useful to thwack people :D 14:50:20 A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. 14:50:26 * rdococ tautologoses boily 14:51:23 if you live in the future, I guess you're European? 14:59:38 Hi, all 15:00:49 [wiki] [[Tautologos]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46669 * Rdococ * (+2709) We must go deeper. 15:00:58 yay 15:01:05 my new, unimplemented programming language 15:01:16 it's a boy! wait, programming languages don't have gender 15:01:47 I need to write up an article on COMPLEX 15:02:07 hey, atleast they're not slightly modified versions of brain**** 15:02:12 Tanelle. what's COMPLEX? 15:02:38 of course programming languages have gender. «un langage de programmation» is masculine. 15:03:17 just because it's french? 15:03:25 okay, so what would be feminine? 15:03:48 boily, it's a BASIC-inspired programming language that lets you manipulate the vector the program counter is moving on, onto the complex plane 15:03:56 wow, inserting gender stereotypes, my least favourite thing into my favourite thing 15:04:42 "Programmiersprache" is feminine 15:04:56 [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46670&oldid=46462 * Rdococ * (+17) 15:05:16 shachaf: hellochaf. which gender is a programming language in Hebrew? 15:05:27 so "programming language" is feminine and "a programming language" is masculine 15:05:29 rdococ: go against the grain! 15:05:43 clap clap clap, making masculine programming languages look more expendable 15:06:01 boily, according to my wiktionarying, feminine 15:06:30 programming languages have no gender 15:06:41 we're not adding a stupid thing called gender into the purity of programming 15:06:47 unless it's something else disguised as danger 15:06:52 I mean gender* 15:07:07 I'm gonna guess English is your first language 15:07:28 yeah... 15:07:45 but you're talking about language, not the programming language itself as a concept 15:09:08 boily, would you say le Haskell? Or la Haskell? Or is my poor knowlege of French letting me down 15:10:09 boily, anyway, there's an explanation of COMPLEX on my esolangs page https://runciman.hacksoc.org/~taneb/esolangs.html 15:10:20 surely it's le Haskell Curry 15:10:24 «du Haskell». it's still masculine, but partitive because it's an unquantifiable abstract concept. 15:10:55 boily: does it have an h aspiré? 15:11:06 -!- lynn_ has joined. 15:11:51 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:12:33 b_jonas: looks like so. English name, English is of Germanic origin, h aspiré by default. 15:18:27 I see 15:18:30 COMPLEX 15:20:10 yep, language is complex 15:20:25 complexicated 15:22:25 BASIC stands for "Beginners' All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code" 15:23:45 COMPLEX, as I've used it, is short for "COMPutational Language EXtension" 15:28:10 -!- lynn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:28:29 -!- jaboja has joined. 15:32:49 can I look at the contents of another esolang's page so I can make a table? 15:33:50 Ah, nevermind 15:41:03 -!- Reece` has joined. 15:41:49 -!- lynn has joined. 15:42:59 -!- lynn_ has joined. 15:46:15 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:48:35 -!- lynn_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:55:21 -!- lynn has joined. 15:58:05 simply looking at articles that talk about BASIC make me want to program in it 15:58:45 I always get this weird version of nostalgia when I see stuff like that, even though I haven't even touched it before 16:00:22 Same here 16:02:08 if only I could get an old computer... 16:02:39 I think they need to re-introduce the language 16:02:51 into schools 16:02:57 (do schools even do programming?) 16:04:36 . o O ( excel and html ) 16:04:40 I don't know. 16:06:00 depends on the school, really. we did LOGO when I was in elementary. 16:06:16 turtle graphics on old 486es for the win! 16:08:44 -!- zadock has joined. 16:08:55 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:15:12 let's see... how about Bavaria, Germany... grade 9: spread sheets, databases, grade 10: object oriented programming, grade 11: recursive data structures, software engineering, grade 12: formal languages, process communication and synchronization, computer architecture, limits of computability 16:19:29 probably not for me 16:19:47 boily, I didn't do any programming in school 16:20:00 since I have high functioning autism, they put me in a special school, and they don't even teach algebra at year 7/8/9 16:20:04 The first programming I did was using an online Piet editor and interpreter 16:20:43 put it this way - I'm smarter than students of my age, and then I get put into a dumber school 16:21:13 Taneb: somehow doesn't seem like the typical way to start :) 16:21:17 ah, it goes back further under a different headline. grade 7 introduces Internet, E-mail (briefly), and Algorithms, and grade 6 has representation of information, and office software and file systems, 16:21:40 olsner, yeah, I've never picked up some important habits 16:21:56 Like comments, and useful variable names 16:22:06 But Piet was the first programming language I learnt 16:22:06 Taneb: do you find yourself trying to paint in other languages? 16:22:12 Yes, all the time 16:23:04 Taneb: what? but piet is IDEAL for writing comments 16:23:16 it even lets you make the comments pretty 16:23:30 b_jonas, it's hard to write a pixel at a time 16:23:34 So they have some limited exposure to programming in grade 7. 16:24:26 Taneb: no it's not! that's how people wrote all the books with pens and inscribed all the engravings to stone before printing and typewriters were invented. 16:24:37 (basic imperative programming... then some OO... anything else they'll have to pick up outside of school) 16:24:47 but whatever. it used to be worse. 16:25:44 oh and spreadsheets are a form of declarative programming, of course, though rather limited 16:26:19 what are you talking about? I'm year 8 and I barely get exposure to computers 16:26:40 I can't take it anymore, I want to do something interesting 16:27:06 rdococ: yes, that sucks, but at least it's better than back when you also didn't have the internet to talk to other people about it 16:27:17 lots of children suffered from that 16:27:29 true 16:27:37 go learn stuff online and do something interesting 16:27:45 I try to 16:28:20 wait, browser based version of BASIC? this might work 16:28:31 rdococ: I was talking about one concrete curriculum that I found online. 16:28:53 int-e: now I wish I was german 16:29:33 And even inside Germany there will be differences. 16:30:15 (since ridiculously education isn't managed on a federal level but on the state level) 16:31:14 why is that ridiculous? 16:31:25 ok, sorry, I shouldn't ask that 16:32:01 I feel like I'm temporally shifted in spacetime 16:32:12 "remembering" the past before I was born 16:34:06 -!- bender| has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:35:46 b_jonas: Maybe two points... it makes moving within Germany unecessarily hard on children, and it leads to different standards of education in the various states (a lot of which can be explained by budget concerns) 16:37:03 I do realize that a centralized system would at best solve half of that problem... 16:40:20 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:42:46 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 16:44:38 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:45:22 -!- mihow has joined. 16:45:32 -!- Frooxius has joined. 17:06:51 boily: "language" is feminine hth 17:11:38 why do people give random words gender 17:11:39 shachaf: “langue” is feminine but “langage” is masculine and “dialecte” is masculin too 17:13:33 rdococ: they're not gender, they're grammatical gender. not the same. 17:15:58 `? rdococ 17:16:24 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 17:16:24 RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS 17:21:40 LOL 17:21:44 wait 17:21:49 I've only made one language like that 17:22:26 unless you count the "Beginners' All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Esoteric Revision" which I'm making the article for right now 17:28:07 `culprits rdococ 17:28:15 `culprits wisdom/rdococ 17:28:32 HackEgo: come on, this is easy! 17:29:19 * int-e twiddles HackEgo's virtual thumbs. 17:29:20 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 17:29:26 No output. 17:29:32 No output. 17:30:00 huh. 17:30:42 Apart from me, who else is known to have created a new esoteric programming language by mistake of misunderstanding another programming language? 17:31:13 `rm wisdom/rdococ rdococlikestomakelanguageslikethis 17:31:16 No output. 17:32:00 ITWASAPREDICTIONANDITWASRIGHT!ALLHAILOERJANTHEPRESCIENTMASTEROF#ESOTERIC! 17:32:27 I think I have not done, but I cannot remember. I also do not believe anyone else has done although perhaps that also I did not remember. 17:32:56 (though I suppose it actually was somebody else... hmmmmm) 17:33:16 BancSTAR could be such a language of course, we don't know 17:33:25 I mean, our version of BANCStar 17:33:27 `? rdococ 17:33:28 RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS 17:33:40 `rm wisdom/rdococ RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS 17:33:41 rm: cannot remove `wisdom/rdococ RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS': No such file or directory 17:34:35 actually it wasn't... fun. oerjan still had to learn how to use le/rn. 17:34:41 rdococ: you are wisdommed. you can't be erased. accept the assimilation. 17:34:54 I am wisdommed too 17:34:56 `? int-e 17:34:57 int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. 17:34:58 `? boily 17:35:01 ​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist. 17:35:37 It is possible that some things on the esolang wiki about BANCStar are wrong. There is some that I believe is certainly wrong; I have posted what I believe is correct. 17:35:47 (But possibly I am also wrong) 17:35:50 Don't fight the wisdom. Embrace it! 17:36:05 * int-e embraces his inner non-swedishness. 17:36:27 `? spell 17:36:27 spell? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:37:08 `? misspellings of croissant 17:37:09 misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:37:39 that seems to be the only spell in there 17:37:42 yay for trying to make a Sonic game in a web browser version of BASIC 17:37:52 `? regress 17:37:52 `? xyzzy 17:37:54 Nothing happens. 17:37:58 regress? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:38:07 `? frotz 17:38:09 frotz? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:38:21 `? zork 17:38:23 Zork is like York, except for the first letter. 17:38:33 brilliant insight 17:38:52 My own conclusions come from looking at existing BANCStar programs, rather than looking at the codes for the program to generate the printout 17:39:05 `? xargs 17:39:05 Once cast, a spell can be undone. But once created, a wisdom entry can never again be erased. – Pontifex, elder researcher 17:39:06 xargs is for piping snowmen. 17:39:36 Such as, my own guess is that command 3100 seems to mean that if the condition is not true then it is an error and the user must rekey the input. 17:40:55 @metar LOWI 17:40:55 LOWI 281720Z 12014G26KT 090V170 9999 FEW070 BKN300 14/03 Q1006 NOSIG 17:41:02 are there any screenshots, examples, videos or captures of a BANCStar programme running? 17:41:12 @metar CYUL 17:41:12 CYUL 281737Z 14016KT 2 1/4SM -DZ BR SCT009 OVC014 07/06 A2944 RMK SF3ST5 SLP973 17:41:22 There is also the code that "only ten people in the world can read", which I have partially figured out and guessed at the rest. 17:41:27 -DZ BR... more like it was pouring a few minutes ago. 17:41:47 boily: I do not know of any screenshots 17:41:47 -!- Reece has joined. 17:42:01 brrrr? 17:42:19 nah, it's warm today! +7 °C! 17:42:22 I can't do nested arrays in Quite BASIC? 17:42:30 How did mist become BR, hmm. 17:42:31 wait, does BASIC even have nested arrays? 17:42:40 yes, at least Turbo BASIC. 17:42:45 oh, interesting 17:42:51 "BR, Mist (French: Brume)" 17:43:03 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:43:05 The French strike again. 17:43:15 of course! we're everywhere! 17:44:36 [wiki] [[Amycus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46671&oldid=45551 * B jonas * (+164) 17:46:10 [wiki] [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46672&oldid=45479 * B jonas * (+124) 17:47:28 [wiki] [[Amycus Severus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46673&oldid=45521 * B jonas * (+149) 17:48:25 I really should give a name to the original language of David so I can talk about it. What should I name it? 17:48:42 I also believe that colour codes are actually PC codes and not ANSI codes; I don't know why they wrote that it is ANSI codes 17:48:57 b_jonas: David Language 17:49:14 zzo38: no, there's at least one other esoteric programming language by David Madore 17:49:44 (plus he has his own slightly esoteric dialect of French) 17:51:29 O, I didn't know that 17:51:39 zzo38: he invented Unlambda 17:51:44 Ask David Madore (if possible) 17:51:57 that is possible, yes 17:52:28 -!- boily has quit (Quit: REPLICATE CHICKEN). 17:53:55 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 17:54:10 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: storm). 17:54:44 Does there exist a double-ended toothbrush that has a brush head on both ends of the same handle? 17:54:45 -!- mihow has joined. 17:55:27 It seems there are double toothbrushes that have two heads on the same end of the handle 17:55:55 -!- Frooxius has joined. 17:56:16 -!- nooga has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 17:56:32 It seems such a thing exists: https://groomies.es/es/dientes/958-cepillo-de-dientes-doble-extra-largo.html 17:56:38 that's either crazy or esoteric 17:58:00 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:00:22 b_jonas: so can you find a four-headed one? 18:01:31 (And why stop at that? you can go all Lucas and make a cross of toothbrushes!) 18:01:51 Or a swiss army knife! 18:03:21 yeah, or a whole toothbrush tree 18:03:55 or http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1186.html with infinitely many heads 18:07:33 -!- lynn_ has joined. 18:08:02 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:08:33 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 18:10:18 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:13:56 -!- idris-bot has joined. 18:15:34 stupid n+1 step processes 18:17:07 (something along the lines of "submit review" - "confirm review" ... apparently I expect that to be one step (especially since the previous dialog already offered me things like saving a draft)) 18:18:55 Someone should check what I wrote in the [[Amycus]] article and tell how much of that is nonsense 18:20:03 -!- lynn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:25:50 Those writeups should be rewritten though because they still contain sentences based on the origianl misunderstanding. 18:26:13 But I can't rewrite them if I can't refer to the original language! Argh 18:36:47 (having to write the line numbers manually is a bit of a pain when I need to add lines in between lines) 18:37:16 rdococ, that's why COMPLEX lets you write the lines in any order you want! 18:37:57 no, I mean because I have to change each line number 18:38:33 can't you leave gaps in the line numbers? 18:39:09 the BASIC I grew up with used line numbers 10,20,30,... by default so that one could easily insert lines later 18:40:18 yeah 18:40:28 Whereas the APL del editor lets you use non-integer line numbers, but the line numbers are only temporary, and they're reassigned with sequential numbers when you exit the del editor (or more like they're assigned when you enter the del editor, and only the sorted sequence of lines are saved when you exit it). 18:40:38 but then when the gaps are differentin length 18:41:55 is this APL del editor software or is it from when basic was taught in schools? 18:42:31 -!- lynn has joined. 18:43:21 it's… um, part of the APL workspace software, just like how the line editor is part of most BASIC interpreters, and … well, it's probably older than BASIC taught in schools 18:44:07 APL is a programming language from back when they didn't really know what programming languages ought to look like 18:44:19 `? apl 18:44:19 Back when to program you plugged your phone into your typewriter 18:44:41 APL stands for Algorithmic Programming Language. 18:44:48 ...did you actually have to plug a phone into the typewriter? 18:44:59 it'd have to be a telephone or something, I know that much 18:45:05 or am I just talking crazy 18:45:05 hehehe 18:45:09 rdococ, yeah, because computers were huge big things that took up a room 18:45:12 oh the young ones 18:45:19 anyway 18:45:23 I know that 18:45:29 So you rang the computer and plugged in your typewriter 18:45:37 An electric typewriter, of course 18:45:42 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:45:42 you rang the computer...? 18:45:46 * int-e rolls his eyes. 18:45:48 Yeah 18:45:51 uh okay 18:46:10 Seriously, APL is going back a long time 18:46:32 rdococ: computers were expensive, so people used them remotely. by means of a terminal, which is the same as a telex machine, and is an electromechanical or electrical typewriter with a keyboard and either a printer or a CRT display or both, connected to a modem 18:46:32 `? taneb 18:46:35 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) 18:47:16 Haven't seen elliott in ages :/ 18:47:17 where the modem transmits data through an analog telephone wire connected by the ordinary telephone network, plus the terminal may also have a ticker tape reader and puncher. 18:47:20 b_jonas: why go to all that trouble when you can just hand the operators a stack of punched cards? 18:47:38 I'm working on a Sonic game in BASIC... or at least something close 18:48:02 but of course it's a modern version -- no, not visual basic 18:48:13 int-e: the computer is in a remote location, and the telex transmits the data faster to such a remote location than any other way you could transmit the punch cards or ticker tape 18:48:14 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 18:48:16 I found this 18:48:17 http://www.quitebasic.com/ 18:48:25 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:48:34 -!- Reece has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:48:50 There's some things I don't understand about terminals though 18:49:56 what is it? 18:50:01 1. why are they called both terminals and telex machines and what's the difference, 2. how the fuck can an electromechanical typewriter do all the modem stuff without electronics, and 3. why did they even bother with electromechanics when electronics were already available by the time the terminals were created. 18:50:16 -!- mihow has joined. 18:50:55 is telex an old version of fax or something? 18:51:04 uh, they just repurposed telegraphy service devices... that's what telex machines are. 18:51:12 okay... 18:51:47 "terminal" is just a different view on the topology... it's not, say, a repeater connecting two lines, but and end point. 18:51:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:52:03 rdococ: sort of, but a telex transmits character data (where a character means 5 or 7 or 6 or 8 bits) whereas a fax transmits bitmap graphical data. both were used as sort of improved versions of telegraphy. 18:53:13 oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telex helps with terminology (terminalogy?) 18:53:16 okay 18:53:33 fax is a newer invention 18:53:47 so we should really call the machines teletypes 18:55:21 surprisingly (haha), wikipedia is inconsistent on this 18:55:24 Back when we were young, telephone books contained telefax (fax) and telex numbers too, because some businesses and offices ran such machines, and they're connected to the ordinary telephone network. Today, there are no printed telephone books, and no telex network. 18:55:39 on the Telegraphy page, they write "These machines were called "Telex" (TELegraph EXchange)." 18:56:47 ...and we have paperless offices where fax machines are virtualized and soon phased out... 18:57:05 int-e: yeah, paperless offices where people print and then scan the emails they get. 18:57:38 rdococ: Btw, this channel sometimes makes it hard to separate fact from fiction. 18:57:44 the paperless parts never really works out well. 18:57:52 `? paperless 18:57:55 paperless? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:58:06 * b_jonas tries not to make the obvious joke 18:58:49 "send an email, but fax a copy in case they don't read email, and send a letter as well so that they have a clean copy for the archives" 18:59:07 (not sure where this is from... Dilbert?) 18:59:31 yeah. http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-12-11 18:59:51 20 years later I suspect this is still true. 19:02:05 int-e: hehe. yes 19:26:57 `le/rn paperless/In a paperless world, rock would never lose. 19:27:04 Learned «paperless» 19:28:15 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 19:33:36 Someone else I know, although an atheist, said that if he made up the laws he would say that Canada is the Christian country, only for the purpose of the calendar. I am not sure that is necessary, since they are already national holidays, although maybe I missed something. 19:35:19 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:35:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:01:50 -!- gremlins has joined. 20:03:21 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:06:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:17:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:17:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:18:18 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:23:28 -!- oren has joined. 20:24:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:25:03 i don't understand why people were depending on an external host to have a left pad function 20:25:36 -!- MDead has joined. 20:25:57 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:25:59 Because people who use JavaScript for non-web are not the best at system architecture 20:26:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:27:39 oren: huh what? what's this about this time? 20:28:14 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:28:20 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 20:28:23 ``` printf %70s "left pad function" 20:28:26 ​ left pad function 20:29:29 b_jonas, a lot of Node programmers got their projects broken when someone threw a tantrum and removed a package from npm 20:29:43 Said package was 11 lines long and just provided a left pad function 20:29:59 what's npm? 20:30:39 Node.js package manager 20:30:49 Like Hackage or crates.io or something 20:31:08 I see 20:32:45 -!- x_ has joined. 20:33:58 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:36:33 You can easily implement a left pad function in one line of a JavaScript code: const leftpad=(x,y,z)=>(z.repeat(y)+x).slice(-y); 20:36:53 -!- lynn_ has joined. 20:37:08 zzo38: I imagine that's a little inefficient as you generate the string of y zs regardless of what the input is 20:37:17 zzo38: thatjs way to performant 20:37:18 but yes, that seems like a good demonstration of how simple the function is 20:37:21 I do have some Node.js packages too 20:37:23 -!- lynn has quit (Disconnected by services). 20:37:29 -!- lynn_ has changed nick to lynn. 20:38:04 ais523: that depens on what string concatenation and repeat are doing 20:38:23 myname: this is unlikely as an optimization 20:38:30 it string + string always needs to copy anything it would be really slow 20:39:46 padding an empty string would be n^2 then 20:39:55 repeat cannot be worse than that 20:41:42 @tell oerjan I can't see deleted templates on Wikipedia (other than via WP:REFUND which seems rather a waste of admin time), but a) it seems likely, b) the template is unused and probably not useful, c) the template is buggy, d) the template may be uncopyrightable because there's no other sensible way to write its functionality 20:41:43 Consider it noted. 20:42:19 if repeat isn't implemented completely stupid it would need O(y) time + one concat + O(y) slice 20:42:35 the other version needs O(y) concats 20:42:56 assuming that concat is slow, zzo38's version is way faster 20:42:57 myname: concat may be O(a) time rather than O(a+b) time where the lengths of the strings are a and b 20:43:13 oh, I'm not talking about the original left-pad, that one is probably really slow 20:43:20 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:43:25 okay 20:47:25 Can DVD-video support text captions? What happen if you record a TV show with captions on a DVD? 20:47:53 what captions? 20:47:53 zzo38: I think it can support text captions, and I don't know 20:48:12 zzo38, most DVD recorders I believe take it out of the display, which will include captions if they are displayed at the time of recording 20:49:02 Taneb: The DVD recorder I have does have the ability to display captions. 20:49:55 But I mean if it can support text captions which are separate from subtitles 20:51:21 wait, they're separate from subtitles... 20:51:22 what 20:52:38 Captions are text and subtitles are pictures. This means that it is possible to customize the settings for font size and colours of captions. 20:53:00 But for subtitles you have to use whatever font is recorded on the disc instead. 20:54:16 My own opinion is that only captions should be used and subtitles should not be used except possibly for compatibility purpose. 20:56:00 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:56:41 I found a webpage for a computer program, and it says that DVDs do support captions. 20:57:37 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:00:48 -!- lynn has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:03:19 Does any show have captions for the descriptive video in addition to the normal speech? 21:06:37 -!- lynn has joined. 21:07:51 `slist 21:07:53 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 21:08:00 Hang on 21:08:07 I'm the only person on that list who'st actually in here 21:08:13 And I'm most of the list 21:08:43 that's why it's called solipsism list 21:10:16 Haha 21:10:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:10:45 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:10:49 `? atriq 21:10:50 atriq or two 21:11:00 `? taneb 21:11:02 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) 21:11:15 > 5**(1/3) 21:11:16 1.7099759466766968 21:11:36 `? tanebventions 21:11:38 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, robots, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 21:11:59 I feel like maybe that wisdom entry should rhyme. 21:11:59 hmm 21:12:04 To some Gilbert & Sullivan tune, perhaps. 21:12:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:12:45 -!- boily has joined. 21:12:51 should I keep working on my Sonic attempt in Quite BASIC? 21:13:00 `? gazpacho 21:13:02 You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! 21:13:19 `culprits wisdom/tanebvention 21:13:25 shachaf b_jonas oerjan shachaf shachaf boily boily shachaf oerjan oerjan Taneb oerjan elliott oerjan oerjan FireFly oerjan boily oerjan ais523 ais523 oerjan 21:14:26 `? gaspacho 21:14:29 You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off! 21:14:34 wait what 21:14:47 `? rdococ 21:14:49 RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS 21:14:56 rdochellloc. the szoups are complex. please consult the Wisdom PDF hth 21:15:05 the wat 21:15:06 * boily ought to retopic the PDF... 21:15:10 that pdf isn't even real 21:15:11 rdococ: just a moment... 21:15:13 rewhat 21:15:14 it's been photoszouped 21:15:20 photowhat 21:15:21 IT IS REAL! REALER THAN CANADA! EH! 21:15:26 realerwhat 21:15:30 heretichaf. 21:15:54 boily: shachaf mipesha hth 21:16:35 rdococ: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf?dl=0 21:16:57 (warning: may not be quite exactly up to date at all. I'm several months out of touch with the latest installments.) 21:17:00 (hth) 21:18:10 boily: did you demaur it yet hth 21:19:24 -!- atrapado has joined. 21:19:44 -!- lynn_ has joined. 21:19:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:19:50 -!- lynn has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:20:29 -!- lynn_ has changed nick to lynn. 21:20:58 `source 21:20:59 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: source: not found 21:21:02 `help 21:21:03 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 21:22:56 ^style sms 21:22:57 Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) 21:23:05 fungot: nlghtn us 21:23:05 int-e: in one min. soon 21:23:16 ^style irc 21:23:16 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 21:24:29 -!- lynn_ has joined. 21:25:29 -!- x_ has quit (Quit: Sto andando via). 21:25:33 shachaf: I don't think so hth 21:26:22 lynn_: is "demure" a good adjective for you 21:27:54 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:27:55 -!- lynn__ has joined. 21:27:56 `quote demure 21:28:00 No output. 21:30:27 -!- lynn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:31:06 `quote murder 21:31:07 130) Phantom_Hoover: Don't be nasty; he's a lunatic, not a murderer. \ 271) elliott, it was an artful robbery! wait, murder \ 753) you've constructed a situation in which i have no choice but to die in 10 days well done that's murder \ 1080) Even if the people who made that program is a m 21:31:14 lynn__ is emulating Phantom_________Hoover... 21:31:15 -!- lynn has joined. 21:31:24 lynn: hellynn. connection problems? 21:31:43 Really horrible ones ;___; 21:32:18 even lynn's ascii face is emulating Phantom_________Hoover 21:32:35 assuming that's a face, i don't really know how to read those things 21:33:30 -!- lynn__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:34:19 what if it's secret code in a secret programming language? ___;_;____;;; 21:34:25 `quote ◇ 21:34:26 No output. 21:34:34 darn. wrong unicode diamond. 21:35:10 -!- lynn has quit (Client Quit). 21:35:13 `quote ________ 21:35:14 1010) ◊_______________________◊ help. jesus christ elliott apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open 21:35:41 ◇◇ 21:35:46 `quote ◊ 21:35:47 1010) ◊_______________________◊ help. jesus christ elliott apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open 21:35:59 `quote rdococ 21:35:59 1238) what? I just wanted a laugh... lol I need to stop using lol, lol just stop then, hth 21:36:03 -!- lynn has joined. 21:36:18 lol lol 21:36:26 -!- lynn has changed nick to Guest57498. 21:37:13 Guest57498: don't you dare die on us! 21:37:27 -!- Guest57498 has changed nick to lynn. 21:37:37 -!- lynn has quit (Changing host). 21:37:37 -!- lynn has joined. 21:37:37 -!- lynn has quit (Changing host). 21:37:37 -!- lynn has joined. 21:40:19 rip lynn 20 times 21:41:01 Now I’m on some kinda cloud thing. So, that might work better? 21:43:55 `? cloud 21:43:56 cloud? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:45:33 `learn The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds. 21:45:38 Learned 'cloud': The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds. 21:48:11 Hmm. NSA is a kind of caching service. 21:48:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:50:02 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:54:06 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S6_(classification) wait, what 22:22:42 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:23:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:27:29 b_jonas: I finally found the individually checked beans. That must be a fun way to pass time. 22:28:15 heh heh heh 22:28:22 fun for who? 22:29:57 -!- nycs has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:30:01 Hanners, of course. 22:30:28 (Well, at least until she finds a bad bean.) 22:32:35 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:43:56 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:52:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:59:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:00:49 @messages- 23:00:49 ais523 said 2h 19m 6s ago: I can't see deleted templates on Wikipedia (other than via WP:REFUND which seems rather a waste of admin time), but a) it seems likely, b) the template is unused and probably not useful, c) the template is buggy, d) the template may be uncopyrightable because there's no other sensible way to write its functionality 23:01:36 * oerjan interprets (d) as an excuse to do nothing hth 23:02:35 well it's also unused and I can't see an obvious use for it 23:02:43 Can you patent a wikipedia template 23:02:52 lol 23:03:22 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:07:46 ais523: since when has that been a reason to delete anything on our wiki :P 23:07:58 oerjan: in terms of articles or templates? :P 23:08:11 templates are kind of meta-stuff, they have different topicality rules 23:09:15 hey don't ruin the joke with details 23:09:30 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 23:09:56 oh, I thought you were trying to use sarcasm to make as serious point 23:10:59 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:11:10 >_> 23:13:38 `? cia 23:13:40 cia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:13:51 `learn CIA sees it all. 23:13:53 Learned 'cia': CIA sees it all. 23:14:22 i thought it stood for cookies in advance 23:14:26 the next level of thanks in advance 23:16:58 `? stupidity 23:16:59 Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly. 23:17:07 i think this is somehow meta. 23:17:19 possibly in two different ways. 23:21:03 -!- gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:21:37 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:21:37 `? meta 23:21:38 meta? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:21:44 `learn meta is about 23:21:46 Learned 'meta': meta is about 23:22:34 `` find -type f wisdom | wc -l 23:22:35 find: paths must precede expression: wisdom \ Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression] \ 0 23:22:44 `` find wisdom -type f | wc -l 23:22:49 900 23:23:23 `` find wisdom -type f | xargs cat | wc -c 23:23:24 xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option \ cat: wisdom/¯(°_o)/¯(°_o)a: No such file or directory \ cat: wisdom/¯(°_o)/¯: No such file or directory \ cat: wisdom/for: No such file or directory \ cat: further: No such file or directory \ cat: details.: No such file or directory \ cat: w 23:23:30 @tell oerjann hellørjanne! GG! <-- helloily. poor oerjann will be so confused. 23:23:32 ah. 23:23:39 `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -c 23:23:50 10558299 23:23:55 int-e: Are you sure there are no files in wisdom/ containing newlines? 23:24:29 shachaf: well, it seems fairly useless, but no, I'm not sure. 23:25:02 uh, that seems a bit big... 23:25:25 `` ls -sR wisdom | sort -rn 23:25:27 10240 irrelevant info \ 4 Э \ 4 э \ 4 αλτγρ+γ \ 4 zzo38mtg.php \ 4 zzo38mtg \ 4 zzo38card \ 4 zzo38 \ 4 zygohistomorphic prepromorphism \ 4 zork \ 4 zomgmodules \ 4 zombiecheney \ 4 zkstr \ 4 zimbabwe \ 4 yuy \ 4 york \ 4 yorick \ 4 yoda \ 4 yeeesh \ 4 yeeeesh \ 23:25:30 `` cat wisdom/irrelevant info 23:25:31 cat: wisdom/irrelevant: No such file or directory \ cat: info: No such file or directory 23:25:35 oops 23:25:38 `cat wisdom/irrelevant info 23:25:39 KHL?%y9vnkM_v46$Tn`ʋxkH2gqH;!;2F(zإ2CmXW 23:25:43 -!- XorSwap has joined. 23:25:45 `file wisdom/irrelevant info 23:25:46 wisdom/irrelevant info: data 23:25:58 `` hg log 'wisdom/irrelevant info' | grep summary: 23:26:00 summary: cat /dev/urandom > wisdom/\'irrelevant info\' 23:26:05 `culprits wisdom/irrelevant info 23:26:06 `rm wisdom/irrelevant info 23:26:22 No output. 23:26:28 shachaf oerjan elliott Roujo 23:26:36 `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -c 23:26:42 72539 23:26:51 okay, that's far more plausible. 23:27:03 `` hg log | grep summary: | grep Roujo 23:27:06 summary: rm bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: echo "14484096/625 \\(exactly 23174.5536\\)" > bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: chmod +x bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: echo "14484096/625 (exactly 23174.5536)" > bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: echo "cf. elliott" > wisdom/godot \ summary: echo " 23:27:13 `` hg log | grep summary: | grep Roujo | paste 23:27:23 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.4893 23:29:56 `echo hi 23:29:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: echo: not found 23:30:01 hmph 23:30:12 oh wait 23:30:34 `? godot 23:30:34 cf. elliott 23:31:37 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log?rev=Roujo&revcount=1000 ... 23:32:14 I guess that's better than paste. 23:33:06 the trick is to add the &revcount bit manually 23:33:33 (since the "more" and "less" links are broken) 23:33:49 they are? 23:33:56 they are. 23:34:19 ic 23:34:36 @metar ENVA 23:34:37 ENVA 282320Z 12010G20KT 070V160 9999 SCT050 BKN120 09/00 Q0991 RMK WIND 670FT 15016G30KT 23:34:45 that doesn't seem all that icy 23:34:46 shachaf: spring is a-coming 23:34:55 (i'm joking i have no idea how to read metar hth) 23:35:12 surely you can read the 09/00 part? 23:35:12 shachaf: i met a man on the road this evening who said it was unusually mild hth 23:35:25 @metar KOAK 23:35:26 KOAK 282253Z 28018KT 10SM SCT020 17/03 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP117 T01670033 23:35:26 int-e: yes, but that doesn't tell me whether it's icy hth 23:35:31 oerjan: do they even have pigeons in norway? 23:35:35 and how about parks 23:35:42 parks, for pooches. 23:35:48 shachaf: seems unlikely at 9 degrees celsius. 23:36:06 @metar LOWI 23:36:07 LOWI 282320Z AUTO 26004KT 230V300 9999 NCD 06/02 Q1010 23:36:13 * oerjan is considering putting on a non-winter jacket 23:36:22 oh, a bit colder than I expected. 23:36:23 `? weather 23:36:26 lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK 23:36:28 CYUL 282324Z 36013KT 4SM -RA BR OVC004 04/03 A2939 RMK ST8 SLP956 \ ENVA 282320Z 12010G20KT 070V160 9999 SCT050 BKN120 09/00 Q0991 RMK WIND 670FT 15016G30KT \ ESSB 282320Z AUTO 13010KT 9999 BKN057/// 05/01 Q1002 \ KOAK 282253Z 28018KT 10SM SCT020 17/03 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP117 T01670033 23:36:29 shachaf: we have pigeons. also parks. sometimes coincidental. 23:37:26 boily: poisoning pooches in the park? i hope not 23:38:38 Does this allude to "Taubenvergiften im Park"? 23:39:04 oerjan: is that like http://www.xkcd.com/90/ ? 23:39:25 shachaf: poisoning? fungot no! 23:39:25 boily: all of those don't let you borrow zem. zem doesn't have win98 or a floppy drive or anything, it is woefully underpowered. 23:39:32 wait pooches are just dogs in general? i was imagining it was some kind of silly breed. 23:39:41 Oh, I didn't know of the Tom Lehrer song. 23:39:49 oerjan: dogs in general are a silly breed hth 23:40:02 hehe, true 23:40:16 int-e: which one? the Elements song? 23:40:24 I don't make any sense, do I? 23:40:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:40:50 no, the one about poisoning pigeons in the park 23:41:26 fungot, who is your nemesis? 23:41:26 b_jonas: i think mine predates yours" issue, and i 23:41:33 fungot: good 23:41:33 b_jonas: now i was trying to say " no". the only client box is the 486. i cannot fnord it's the plural of " virus" 23:41:40 ah 23:41:47 fizzie: is zem still woefully underpowered? 23:43:04 b_jonas: It's always weird to look at a fungot message before checking the usernaem 23:43:04 hppavilion[1]: it works on the structure of the configuration language.) 23:43:11 b_jonas: it is indeed next to my winter jacket hth 23:43:37 fungot: That was pretty coherent, besides the trailing parenthesis. We're so proud of you. 23:43:37 hppavilion[1]: is llama32 talking about loading .so files or something. i wonder what ( lambda ( data) expr)? 23:43:40 Whuh. 23:44:30 I think python should add two new operators (or 3, with an optional 5 others based off of one of the 2) 23:44:36 The operators should be := and :: 23:44:38 fizzie: ref. to fungot above 23:44:38 oerjan: " one toke? you poor fool! wait till you see part 2 of 3) 23:45:06 := calls the left object's __assgn__ method, and :: calls the left object's __is_type__ method 23:45:12 It'd be used for type-safe python 23:45:13 ^style 23:45:13 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 23:45:34 fungot: you're more incoherent than usual, is anything wrong? 23:45:35 int-e: it uses ref counting, so cyclic data structures nor to hashes))) list) 23:45:39 Ah. No. 23:45:46 The third operators is -> (which is right-associative) and calls the left object's __goesto__ method 23:45:52 fungot: ah, false alarm then? good, good. 23:45:53 the := bone is connected to the __assign__ bone / the :: bone is connected to the __is_type__ bone 23:45:53 int-e: i think they're playing the fnord 23:46:02 Oh, that line was hppavilion[1]. I thought it was fungot. 23:46:02 shachaf: you're not meant to be 23:46:08 fungot: ouch 23:46:09 shachaf: are you on the net... bah. i worked in d.c., some people asked for it :) i'm sorry, i'm bored. want to hear 23:46:34 The optional 5 are :!=, :>, :<, :>=, and :<=, which are made to work like := but for things other than equality 23:46:41 the situation is: behind me sits a netware3 server with important data. the only client box is the 486. i cannot use the data that's on the server hd, there's not enough space to copy the data to the client hd, i cannot put an additional disk into the client because of the bios thing. 23:47:22 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:48:20 The main usage cases for the first 3 are a library I'm calling "typesafe" which creates a dependent/algebraic/static typesystem for Python in pure python and a library called "constraints" which is like "typesafe" that puts constraints on values (such as a variable always being positive, or always being between 5 and 9) (this would also benefit from those optional 5) 23:49:05 fizzie: that's some old hard- and software... 23:49:26 int-e: The line was from 2006. But it was pretty old even back then. 23:50:00 mid 90s. 23:50:39 Typesafe can be implemented in current python, and a library similar to constraints already exits, but has some issues because either you use an ugly syntax involving method calls (x.set(5)) or you use up certain important operators (x << 5) 23:50:44 NetWare 3 apparenty dates to 1990, while NetWare 4 dates to 1993. Not that everyone would've been migrating their systems. 23:50:51 fizzie: um i didn't mean that line btw, there's one actually containing "zem". 23:51:14 oerjan: Oh, there, I see. 23:51:43 oerjan: I had actually completely forgotten zem, but I think zem's still in a closet somewhere, probably back in Finland. 23:51:56 I assume it'd count as even more woefully underpowered now. 23:52:17 hppavilion[1]: now all you have to do to have any chance of this happening is abduct guido van rossum and brainwash him. hth. 23:52:55 (Though slightly less so than the 486.) 23:54:20 oerjan: Why? xD 23:54:22 Huh, that's a combination of quite many lines. 23:54:28 oerjan: Is it because he hates static typing? 23:55:02 hppavilion[1]: because what you're suggesting is pretty against his python philosophy afaict. 23:55:19 he probably also hates static typing, i'm not sure. 23:55:21 oerjan: In what parts? 23:55:52 in the parts where you want to define operators that are synonyms for more readable features already existing. 23:56:01 oerjan: What about @ in 3.5? 23:56:20 oerjan: I'd say the operators would be more readable 23:56:40 oerjan: It would be an optional type system, and it has other use cases. The purpose is for people who /want/ static typing to be able to do so in a pretty, non-`if type(x) == t` way 23:56:53 hppavilion[1]: i don't know 3.5. i'm saying my hunch is that guido would hate it. 23:57:08 2003-03-16 19:04:19 oh well. if it blows up, I'll let you borrow zem. zem doesn't have win98 or a floppy drive. -g 23:57:12 2003-04-14 21:01:43 now it doesn't have a floppy drive or anything, hnggh. 23:57:15 2004-10-22 20:50:03 But really, As much as i like lisp-me for being able to hack-on-the-toilet, as a scheme, it is woefully underpowered. 23:57:18 Plus apparently an entirely disconnected "anything, it is" of which there are at least two. 23:58:07 ^style 23:58:07 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 23:58:10 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:58:21 fancy 23:59:39 The "it" on the second line is also zem. The floppy drive (or lack of it) was the link there, I guess.