00:00:08 <\oren\> "Space hotels close as inflatable pod joined to International Space Station"
00:00:36 <oerjan> . o O ( why would they close the space hotels because of that )
00:00:49 <\oren\> oerjan: that's exactly how I read it at first
00:01:19 <\oren\> it is apparently "space hotels are close to existing"
00:01:37 <oerjan> i realized that.  otherwise i'd not have put it in . o O ( )
00:03:29 <oerjan> fungot: i think maybe you need a bouncer
00:03:29 <fungot> oerjan: tomorrow i'll add conversion when you try fnord) then 1 else n fact(n-1) n 2... why isn't it
00:04:51 <oerjan> @tell boily <boily> and the UN denies Macedonia? what a world we live in... <-- only under that name iiuc
00:04:51 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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00:11:53 <hppavilion[1]> I had an idea that would make the world a slightly better place
00:12:09 <hppavilion[1]> For something the Unicode Consortium could do
00:12:44 <hppavilion[1]> It deals with the problem of them having to spend an hour or more per meeting talking about emoji
00:13:03 <hppavilion[1]> step 1: Form a subcommittee made exclusively of people who might actually have a stake in this (i.e. teenagers)
00:13:33 <hppavilion[1]> step 2: Once ever unicode cycle (however long that is), give them exactly 1 nybblesworth of free slots to add emoji to
00:13:57 <hppavilion[1]> (or maybe only 3 bitsworth)
00:14:16 <oerjan> <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: And yeah, you can calculate the nth digit of pi without having to calculate all the preceeding digits <-- only in base 2^n last i heard?
00:14:23 <oerjan> er, 2^i
00:15:09 <FreeFull> I thought there was a decimal spigot algorithm too
00:15:22 <oerjan> if so that's new
00:15:41 <hppavilion[1]> step 3: Stop forcing some of the world's smartest linguists and computer scientists (and also the world's "smartest" computational linguists, I guess) to give a fuck about stupid little pictures that people send around far too much
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00:16:13 <hppavilion[1]> (https://www.xkcd.com/114/)
00:19:02 <oerjan> "Borwein et al. (2004) have recently shown that pi has no Machin-type BBP arctangent formula that is not binary, although this does not rule out a completely different scheme for digit-extraction algorithms in other bases."
00:19:15 <oerjan> that's not quite so recent though
00:19:47 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: they've done 1
00:20:10 <hppavilion[1]> coppro: ?
00:20:51 <oerjan> someone should just bite the bullet and create a smartphone with more emojis than will fit in unicode
00:21:02 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yep xD
00:21:14 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: If we count non-preset pictures, that already exists via apps
00:22:29 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: The best part is that we only allocate 1 new block byte for these new emoji (unless there's already >1 bytesworth of unused space in existing emoji blocks), so we stop adding new emoji after a few years and everybody stfus
00:23:06 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i don't think that will work
00:23:43 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Why not?
00:24:12 <oerjan> because if there are sufficiently strong interests, any limitation _will_ be lifted.
00:24:19 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I mean they stfu about new emoji so that the only recognition the UC gets is coming from people who actually appreciate what they're doing, and /don't/ just want new emoji
00:24:22 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Ah
00:24:23 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: was it you who made that ugly unhinted thin line vector font with custom format? if so, can you remind me of its current status ?
00:24:37 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: That may have been me
00:24:49 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: It's abandoned, and I'm trying to make a better format
00:25:18 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: ok, if you have something you can show, tell us
00:25:26 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Why?
00:25:37 <b_jonas> dunno, just curious
00:25:41 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Why bring this up now?
00:25:41 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
00:25:59 <b_jonas> we were talking about #esoteric fonts
00:26:41 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: emoji subcommittee exists
00:27:25 <hppavilion[1]> coppro: Oh, really?
00:29:54 <oerjan> "In 1996, Simon Plouffe derived an algorithm to extract the nth decimal digit of π (using base 10 math to extract a base 10 digit), and which can do so with an improved speed of O(n^3log(n)^3) time."
00:30:12 <oerjan> ok so there's something.
00:30:46 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: yep
00:30:56 <coppro> http://unicode.org/emoji/
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00:31:11 <coppro> they meet weekly
00:34:28 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> Do fandoms have a concept of "Low Orbit Ion Canon"? <-- . o O ( i hope "Canon" is not a misspelling )
00:34:48 <shachaf> oerjan: it's definitely canon hth
00:34:55 <oerjan> seems so
00:35:07 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: It was not
00:35:35 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: It was 100% a pun. The sentence does not make sense if it isn't a pun.
00:35:49 <shachaf> when i played c&c generals they had the particle cannon
00:36:49 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i can find no hits that aren't misspellings, alas
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00:41:47 <oerjan> `? oren's font
00:42:04 <HackEgo> ​\oren\'s font is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
00:43:20 * oerjan is unsure whether that's intentional or not
00:43:39 <oerjan> oh wait
00:43:52 * oerjan swats himself -----\#\#\#
00:44:41 <oerjan> `? lifthrasiir's font
00:44:45 <HackEgo> lifthrashiir's font is https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png
00:44:58 <oerjan> i'm going to go out on a limb and say that one isn't
00:45:20 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's/thrash/thras/' wisdom/lif*font
00:45:29 <HackEgo> No output.
00:45:33 <oerjan> `? lifthrasiir's font
00:45:36 <HackEgo> lifthrasiir's font is https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png
00:49:54 <b_jonas> oerjan: ah, sorry
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01:01:23 <oerjan> b_jonas: i'm not sure i'm the one who needs an apology there >:P
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01:03:47 <shachaf> oerjan: sorry
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01:05:04 <oerjan> shachaf: i'm not sure you're the on... what am i saying, you always have something to apologize for.
01:05:22 <shachaf> ouch
01:05:41 <zzo38> Is there a better font compiler for X than the included software? (If not I could write one, if I have proper documentation of the format)
01:06:00 * oerjan hopes shachaf doesn't think i'm serious.
01:06:05 <oerjan> *he's
01:08:10 <oerjan> `? gamemanj
01:08:11 <HackEgo> gamemanj? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:08:20 <oerjan> `learn gamemanj is undocumented.
01:08:25 <HackEgo> Learned 'gamemanj': gamemanj is undocumented.
01:09:01 * oerjan cackles moderately naughtily
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01:29:43 <int-e> `` sed -i 's/evil/evil cackling/' wisdom/oerjan
01:29:47 <HackEgo> No output.
01:33:40 <shachaf> `? oerjan
01:33:41 <HackEgo> Your infamous mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker.
01:33:45 <shachaf> `before
01:33:52 <HackEgo> wisdom/oerjan//Your infamous mysterious evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker.
01:34:04 <shachaf> adjective overload
01:38:40 <int-e> boinot sure what good it'll do but I can build wisdom.pdf again...
01:38:55 <int-e> huh
01:39:09 <int-e> boily: not sure what good it'll do but I can build wisdom.pdf again...
01:39:20 <int-e> failed tab completion, plus lag
01:40:40 <lifthrasiir> https://twitter.com/unicode/status/722133439726505984
01:40:42 <lifthrasiir> okay.
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01:46:10 <oerjan> <int-e> failed tab completion, plus lag <-- just claim it was a portmanteau duh
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01:47:16 <int-e> oerjan: itay be too late for that
01:50:17 <oerjan> `? itay
01:50:19 <HackEgo> itay? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:50:52 <oerjan> `learn Itay is Christmas in Italy.
01:50:57 <HackEgo> Learned 'itay': Itay is Christmas in Italy.
01:52:21 <oerjan> indeed that would be too late
01:54:08 <int-e> `quote long long
01:54:09 <HackEgo> 378) <oklofok> drinks should come in long long pipes that drip liquid at varying speeds, and you shouldn't just casually taste to them, you should really try to understand what the artist (the canposer?) was trying to convey when making the drink  <oklofok> olsner: well you know i'm a genius. anyway i like how food works tho, because it has both th
01:55:24 <oerjan> that is indeed a long long quote
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01:56:04 <int-e> `? kallisti
01:56:06 <HackEgo> kallisti is a former prophet swearing off his pastry deity.
01:56:15 <int-e> `quote  kallisti
01:56:17 <HackEgo> 635) <kallisti> man, I love pseudo-random decision making  <Gregor> kallisti: Man, I base most of my life on pseudo-random decision making.  <oklopol> i usually just ask my dick and i then rarely even bother to listen \ 667) <monqy> kallisti: by ordered multiset did you mean: list??????
01:59:52 <int-e> `quote VMS
01:59:54 <HackEgo> 598) <shachaf> VMS Mosaic?  <shachaf> I hope that's not Mosaic ported to VMS.  <shachaf> Hmm. It's Mosaic ported to VMS.
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02:00:21 <int-e> `? solain
02:00:23 <HackEgo> solain? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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02:32:48 <oerjan> `quote kallisti
02:32:49 <HackEgo> 632) <kallisti> interestingly enough it takes about as much time for a person to produce cfunge as it does to create a baby. \ 635) <kallisti> man, I love pseudo-random decision making  <Gregor> kallisti: Man, I base most of my life on pseudo-random decision making.  <oklopol> i usually just ask my dick and i then rarely even bother to listen \ 667
02:33:36 <oerjan> thought so.
02:34:06 <Kaynato> https://i.gyazo.com/920346fb9b2eda5ae63a4cd426a91c7e.png
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02:39:06 <prooftechnique> A rose by any other namespace?
02:39:25 <Kaynato> Smells just as sweet :)
02:42:33 <prooftechnique> Though I guess it looks a bit more like a tulip, so perhaps not
02:43:03 <prooftechnique> What does it do?
02:50:46 <Kaynato> It takes in a file as Daoyu code, ignoring whitespace and treating invalid characters as spots to preserve data at, and generates Daoyu code which can construct that data
02:51:50 <Kaynato> It also has an option to convert plaintext directly to Daoyu hexadecimal, and another to output to a specified file
02:53:25 <Sgeo_> "Yes. PHP is well know for performing some of the most incredible and least likely fuck-ups, like fucking up the binding of the ternary operator (a ? b : c) or fucking up equality between values of the same type. But even it didn't, as far as I know, manage to fuck up the assignment expression (aside from the relatively common fuck-up of having one in the first place)"
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04:13:10 <FreeFull> Sgeo_: What did they do with the ternary operator?
04:14:24 <zzo38> I agree there is a lot of wrong thing with PHP although having assignment expression is not wrong in my opinion
04:14:41 <Sgeo_> FreeFull, http://phpsadness.com/sad/30
04:15:36 <FreeFull> Sgeo_: ):
04:16:21 <prooftechnique> I think you mean );
04:21:39 <FreeFull> ;,,(
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09:22:40 <hppavilion[1]> Imagine a universe where the Visibility Problem was undecidable...
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11:14:55 <boily> @massages-loud
11:14:55 <lambdabot> oerjan said 11h 10m 3s ago: <boily> and the UN denies Macedonia? what a world we live in... <-- only under that name iiuc
11:32:24 <boily> fungot: o hai. nostril?
11:32:24 <fungot> boily: what a shame, otherwise i won't have one, but i'm aware i left out ( except for things like addition ( that's ( 1000))
11:32:40 <boily> fungot: you left out a thousand nostrils?
11:32:41 <fungot> boily: should have guessed :) good night, offby1" must resist associations.
11:33:06 <boily> @tell fizzie your bot, it is disturbing hth
11:33:06 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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12:09:54 <gamemanj> boily: There was an expected (but time unpredictable) interruption in service caused by those who believe that a router can spontaniously combust if not watched.
12:11:02 <gamemanj> Review of logs suggests that you are attempting to "suggest" PRing a repository.
12:11:55 <gamemanj> I will have you know that, to the best I can recall, only one of my pull requests has ever succeeded. It would be extremely wise for you not to ask for my help.
12:12:21 <gamemanj> On the other hand, that may be the point - some form of intentional sabotage.
12:12:42 <gamemanj> The current communications process will now end, as I have a schedule to keep track of.
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12:13:35 <boily> @tell gamemanj PRs were mentioned. I was thinking of giving you full pull-push-whatever permissions to the repo :D
12:13:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
12:15:17 <boily> @tell gamemanj also, please be assured that *everything* can spontaneously combust if sufficiently unwatched hth
12:15:18 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
12:16:01 <boily> @tell gamemanj (especially eggs. prismatic explosive omelette. don't ask.)
12:16:01 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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17:57:35 <b_jonas> hah.
17:57:39 <b_jonas> `wisdom
17:58:14 <HackEgo> urbandictionary/Urban Dictionary is an alternative, inferior wisdom database.
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18:05:23 <greenlock> So I was learning myself many Haskells, but haven't quite finished yet.
18:06:17 <greenlock> I don't really understand how one would go about creating an application in the traditional sense with it.
18:11:12 <greenlock> `cd
18:11:25 <greenlock> Hm.
18:11:28 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found
18:11:40 <greenlock> Wot.
18:11:47 <greenlock> `ls
18:11:53 <HackEgo> ​:-( \ (* \ 99 \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ echo-p \ emoticons \ equations \ etc \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ grph \ hw \ ibin \ ifconfig_out \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ply-3.8.tar.gz \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ secret.txt \ share \ src \ t
18:12:53 <greenlock> `help learn
18:12:53 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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19:15:11 <FireFly> `? bdsmreclist
19:15:37 <HackEgo> ​* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits
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19:51:22 <earendel> irc.nutecnet.com.br
19:52:06 <earendel> pardon. this isN't meant to be pasted here
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19:52:57 <shachaf> `fireflist
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20:07:16 <Marcela_Gandara> quien habla español
20:07:39 <prooftechnique> españoles
20:10:59 <Marcela_Gandara> jajaja
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20:28:03 <zzo38> I am not Spanish and most people on here probably do not know the Spanish. This is not the Spanish IRC. This is the English IRC.
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20:32:26 <Marcela_Gandara> I speak spanish
20:32:40 <zzo38> Yes I know that
20:32:50 <zzo38> Most people whose username includes "canaima" does.
20:34:14 <zzo38> I tried to write a program to make error diffusion but seem to be working improperly do you know what is wrong please?
20:34:23 <Marcela_Gandara> yo hablo español
20:35:27 <zzo38> This is not the Spanish IRC; this is mainly the English IRC.
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20:40:59 <Marcela_Gandara> :'(
20:46:33 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: THE english IRC?
20:46:40 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Use google translate
20:46:50 <hppavilion[1]> I have, for some reason, decided to make a set of icons
20:48:00 <hppavilion[1]> `relcome
20:48:06 <hppavilion[1]> (for the link)
20:48:15 <HackEgo> ​Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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20:48:56 <hppavilion[1]> Dammit
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20:49:26 <shachaf> `bienvenido hth
20:49:28 <HackEgo> hth: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
20:49:36 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Ty
20:50:11 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: you're `welcome
20:50:26 <hppavilion[1]> `worship
20:50:27 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: worship: not found
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21:04:19 <Marcela_Gandara> quien podra hablar español?
21:05:20 <prooftechnique> Aún nadie.
21:05:45 <hppavilion[1]> Marcela_Gandara: Este es un IRC para los programadores. Usted está buscando un canal diferente, a menos que le sucede a ser un programador con un interés en el surrealismo
21:05:48 <Marcela_Gandara> que mal
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21:09:06 <gamemanj> ...I see the amount of cities is expanding?
21:09:19 <Marcela_Gandara> que es surrealismo?
21:09:42 <prooftechnique> What a surreal question
21:09:57 <gamemanj> Surreal is a surreal word.
21:10:10 <gamemanj> "also, please be assured that *everything* can spontaneously combust if sufficiently unwatched hth"
21:10:15 <gamemanj> ^ boily
21:10:18 <gamemanj> ...
21:10:39 <gamemanj> Someone should give boily a pet rock
21:11:01 <gamemanj> Let's see if that spontaneously combusts.
21:11:28 <gamemanj> No, wait, I already know that someone will find a flaw in that, even though magic isn't real.
21:11:44 <gamemanj> Someone give boily a non-pet rock.
21:11:54 <gamemanj> Explicitly stated not to be a pet.
21:12:02 <prooftechnique> Isn't that most rocks?
21:12:12 <gamemanj> Yes, oddly enough.
21:12:29 <gamemanj> The point being that it won
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21:12:38 <gamemanj> *won't combust if sufficently unwatched.
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21:13:02 <gamemanj> There is no status of "sufficiently unwatched" in which it, itself, will spontaneously combust.
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21:14:30 <gamemanj> Now, in theory, you could enclose it in a box and call it "Schrodinger's Rock" and then say that until you open the box, the rock is combusted and not combusted. A sensible person would point out the big amount of noise that would make. A sensible debater would then point out that being able to hear the noise counts as "sufficiently unwatched".
21:14:37 <gamemanj> Flip. I just disproved my own point.
21:15:44 <gamemanj> However, it does have a productive use, in that spontaneous combustion generally makes a noise, which means that the required state of "sufficiently unwatched" can never be achieved.
21:17:02 <zzo38> What will happen with outer space?
21:17:10 <gamemanj> I have no idea. Go ask boily.
21:17:37 <prooftechnique> Counterpoint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_Combustion_%28band%29
21:18:35 <gamemanj> On the next episode of "gamemanj is insane": gamemanj runs a program, and then manually types out it's output because transforming the source into a workable format is downright impossible, and also not fun. This has been your host, gamemanj, and goodnight! *disappears in a puff of smoke*
21:19:52 <gamemanj> (For the episode after: CWEB and you : sanity in a post-TeX programming world)
21:21:30 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: I added some lines to BookOfEso
21:22:06 * zgrep wonders what that is
21:23:09 <gamemanj> (Actually, come to think of it, maybe TeX should be on esolangs. *a minute later* Actually, I just did a check. zzo38 implemented underload in TeX, but the link doesn't work? Switching to Gopher protocol...)
21:23:21 <gamemanj> (...starting netcat...)
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21:23:37 <int-e> lynx knows gopher
21:23:48 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: It's a command
21:23:54 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: In HackEgo
21:24:06 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: We created it around the same time as tomfoolery IIRC
21:24:11 <zgrep> `BookOfEso
21:24:12 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: BookOfEso: not found
21:24:15 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: Lowercase
21:24:21 <zgrep> `bookofeso
21:24:23 <HackEgo> 1:2/And #esoteric was without denizens, and empty; and the order was on the face of the PDP-8. And the software of fungot moved upon the face of the scrollback.
21:24:32 <gamemanj> NOOO
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21:24:41 <gamemanj> at least fungot was ok though
21:24:41 <fungot> gamemanj: i think it has tail-call elimination. it says sth about some server got hacked bla bla xx
21:24:48 <zgrep> `url bin/bookofeso
21:24:50 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/bookofeso
21:24:59 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: You could just cat it...
21:24:59 <gamemanj> Wait a sec. Why didn't fungot respond to HackEgo?
21:24:59 <fungot> gamemanj: they usually go hand in hand.
21:25:09 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: We have anti-botloop
21:25:20 <hppavilion[1]> s/oo/o/
21:25:29 <zgrep> hppavilion[1]: But what if it doesn't fit in an irc line.
21:25:33 <prooftechnique> botlop?
21:25:37 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: It's short
21:25:48 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: It's really just `wisdom for a different directory
21:25:51 <zgrep> hppavilion[1]: Well, I had a lack of foresight into this knowledge.
21:25:59 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: True
21:26:02 <zzo38> The reason the link doesn't work may be the DNS is not yet updated.
21:26:03 <hppavilion[1]> prooftechnique: Yes, botlop
21:26:10 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: that's unfortunate, I really wanted to train fungot to say `` ./continue_loop
21:26:10 <fungot> gamemanj: not slow for me i guess.... or even worse, to be sure that i
21:26:47 <zgrep> `? botlop
21:26:49 <HackEgo> botlops are the core of botsentiences. Sapience is scheduled for the next release.
21:26:51 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: It used to be (on IRC in general, not just here) that if you had multiple bots on one channel (which is trashy in some peoples' eyes, but #esoteric actually doesn't work without it), you could make them trigger each other
21:27:02 <hppavilion[1]> How would a bot be sapient?
21:27:11 <zzo38> Try replacing the domain name with 24.207.48.196 for now
21:27:11 <hppavilion[1]> Servers are virtually identical, so...
21:27:14 <gamemanj> I consider both sapience, sentience and botloops good things.
21:27:15 <zgrep> `?sapient
21:27:16 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?sapient: not found
21:27:22 <zgrep> `? sapient
21:27:23 <HackEgo> sapient? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:27:27 <zgrep> :(
21:27:41 <hppavilion[1]> Unless sapience for bots is based on software analysis
21:27:53 <hppavilion[1]> Basically, a software that can hash software and compare it with itself
21:28:08 <gamemanj> zzo38: Your domain is not responding to: echo "\r" | nc zzo38computer.org 70
21:28:19 <hppavilion[1]> (a "sapient quine" (though these quines are allowed I/O to make it possible))
21:28:34 <hppavilion[1]> `? sentient
21:28:36 <HackEgo> sentient? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:28:39 <hppavilion[1]> `? sentience
21:28:40 <HackEgo> sentience? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:28:59 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, would a sapient quine technically be sapient?
21:29:03 <gamemanj> `learn sentience is the primary goal of wisdom. wisdom is the primary goal of sentience.
21:29:09 <HackEgo> Learned 'sentience': sentience is the primary goal of wisdom. wisdom is the primary goal of sentience.
21:29:15 <hppavilion[1]> In the eyes of biologists, at least?
21:29:35 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: I'm systematically going through the lines of the SAB and making them #esoterican
21:29:46 <gamemanj> "SAB"?
21:30:05 <gamemanj> And, somehow, I missed the IP address from zzo38 above. zgrep, zzo38...
21:30:09 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. It's a translation of the bible that has annotations pointing out contradictions and other bull
21:30:11 <hppavilion[1]> GTG
21:30:21 <gamemanj> Ooooh, sounds fun!
21:30:36 <gamemanj> zzo38: Ok, so the IP address... asks me to use the Gopher service.
21:30:46 <zgrep> :D
21:31:02 <zzo38> gamemanj: The root page does. If you access a different file then it won't.
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21:31:16 <gamemanj> zzo38: Oh, and it says "This is still in the process of being recovered."
21:31:19 * zgrep wonders what IP address this is
21:31:29 <gamemanj> The one zzo pointed out above.
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21:32:00 <zzo38> gamemanj: Yes it is, although the HTTP link to the Underload implementation in TeX will still work if you replace the domain name with the IP address.
21:32:02 <gamemanj> ok, so accessing the underload-in-tex file didn't work via Gopher.
21:32:12 <zgrep> Ah, zzo38's website?
21:32:16 <gamemanj> Ah, so HTTP does work
21:32:41 <zzo38> Gopher works too, it is just that the gopher server is still in the process of being recovered (as it says), so it is not yet complete.
21:32:56 * zgrep 'd use gopher, but zgrep is too lazy
21:33:22 <gamemanj> zgrep: "nc 24.207.48.196 70", press enter, press ctrl-v, press enter, press enter again.
21:33:40 <gamemanj> I like Gopher. It's simple.
21:34:20 <gamemanj> (It's a little lacking in the visual department, though. If a monospaced font was mandated, then at least there would be a workaround...
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21:35:01 <zzo38> It is recommended to always use a monospace font for Gopher for maximum compatibility.
21:35:38 <zzo38> (It is also recommended to use a monospace font when accessing .txt files from any protocol; this isn't limited to Gopher)
21:36:32 * gamemanj reads more on Gopher, and finds "Gopher+"
21:36:53 <gamemanj> seems like it's not supported
21:38:09 <gamemanj> I'm a bit confused that the link has to contain the document type.
21:38:53 <gamemanj> Could cause some confusion if something changes content type. Like if "/nethack" stopped being a type '1' and started being a type '8', both of which make sense for the link.
21:39:19 <zzo38> Gopher+ is sometimes used but not all clients and/or servers implement it. Today it is often not used
21:39:32 <gamemanj> hang on... wait a sec, that doesn't even make sense. links need selectors, but what kind of selector would type '8' use if it's just a pointer to a telnet session...
21:39:34 <zzo38> gamemanj: Yes, although the port number would likely be different too in such a case
21:40:48 <zzo38> There is no selector of course, although possibly some might make it the initial data to send to the server
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21:41:11 <zzo38> (I don't know if any servers or clients use this, but probably it would not be used)
21:41:23 <gamemanj> Huh. So, changing my example, what if someone made a resource of type "plain text" '0', it got linked to, and it was changed to a type 'h' (HTML)?
21:41:58 <zzo38> gamemanj: The link can be updated, although you can load it as type 0 anyways if you want to view the source
21:42:29 <gamemanj> Yes, assuming the person running the server with the link updates their links :)
21:42:41 <zzo38> Anyways a gopher client might not necessarily support HTML; types 0 and 1 and 7 should always be implemented at least though.
21:43:07 <gamemanj> Would be nice to have type 'i' :)
21:43:36 <zzo38> I however find it unlikely that they will replace it with HTML. Gopher resources are generally supposed to be plain text anyways.
21:43:47 <zzo38> Type 'i' is used for a menu item that does not link to anything.
21:43:59 <gamemanj> ...that being the point :)
21:44:31 <zzo38> (If a domain name and/or port number and/or selector are specified, they should be ignored.)
21:44:43 <zzo38> O, yes, I forgot. The types supported should be at least: 0 1 7 i
21:45:58 <zzo38> I do not recommend supporting HTML in a gopher client unless it is also a web browser in which case it probably should support HTML.
21:46:15 <gamemanj> Why would a web browser need to support HTML?
21:46:26 <zzo38> Because it is used for webpages
21:46:42 <gamemanj> ...your point being? :)
21:47:28 <gamemanj> (Just joking. Yes, a web-browser should probably support HTML.)
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21:50:28 <zzo38> The convention to link to a protocol that is not Gopher, CSO/PH, or Telnet, is to use a link of type 'h' to a selector starting with "URL:" followed by the URL, and that if the server receives a request for such a selector, to return a HTML document that links and redirects to that URL.
21:53:09 <gamemanj> ah, the days when "Hosts that have a CR-LF TAB or NUL in their name get what they deserve." was an acceptable thing to write in documentation
21:53:28 <zzo38> (The client will not necessarily access that HTML document; it may understand the convention and just access the URL directly. If it does, there probably ought to be a feature in the clientto disable that feature if you do not want it.)
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22:08:16 <mtve> game of life - found D8-symmetric garden-of-eden, 11x11, 93 orphan size, 65 on-cells.   worse then current record.
22:09:11 <gamemanj> "garden of eden"?
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22:11:35 <mtve> gamemanj: http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Garden_of_Eden
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22:17:03 <gamemanj> Good news, zzo38. I rigged up a simple Gopher client in Lua. Bad news, the textfiles link is by DNS.
22:20:18 <gamemanj> I've decided I will no longer be looking at files on zzo38's server due to the contents of a certain downright scary folder.
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22:22:41 <zzo38> When the DNS is fixed then it can be accessed.
22:23:29 <gamemanj> Oh, I can access it, just I have to use netcat. But I was silly enough to... list the contents of a folder whose first letter was 'a' and looked really scary when the contents were listed.
22:23:48 <Kaynato> coppro: I have been doing some consideration regarding BCT in Daoyu, but there is a major problem of implementation, being the "1" command in BCT,
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22:25:28 <Kaynato> Since I do not think I have a way to trivially "keep track" of the position of the last open "bit" to copy to. As well, there was a problem with "keeping track of when to allocate more memory" but I think this can be doable
22:25:48 <Phantom_Hoover> oh christ
22:25:57 <Phantom_Hoover> i think i might have to install pulseaudio to get ksp to work
22:26:24 <gamemanj> *drama*
22:26:38 * gamemanj mumbles something about why can't they use portaudio like sensible people
22:32:29 <hppavilion[1]> How is → defined in terms of logical NOR?
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23:51:39 <oerjan> @tell boily <boily> @tell gamemanj also, please be assured that *everything* can spontaneously combust if sufficiently unwatched hth <-- sounds like a theory for how the big bang happened
23:51:39 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:58:38 <oerjan> `` ls -l wisdom/bdsmreclist
23:58:46 <HackEgo> ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 87 Dec  9 04:13 wisdom/bdsmreclist
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23:58:58 <oerjan> `cat bdsmreclist
23:58:59 <HackEgo> ​<oerjan> YOU are out of order.
23:59:09 <gamemanj> What.
23:59:14 <oerjan> `culprits bdsmreclist
23:59:17 <hppavilion[1]> ``bdsmreclist
23:59:26 <hppavilion[1]> Whoops
23:59:36 <oerjan> what now
23:59:37 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `bdsmreclist: not found
23:59:40 <HackEgo> oerjan elliott Phantom_Hoover oerjan Phantom_Hoover Phantom_Hoover Phantom_Hoover
23:59:51 <oerjan> `culprits wisdom/bdsmreclist
23:59:57 <HackEgo> int-e ais523 oerjan elliott oerjan