00:01:23 Moon_: i think that's enough spamming. 00:01:29 YEA 00:01:32 ill stop 00:03:41 oer 00:04:06 earlier i came up with the idea of a language with no form of memory besides the memory that stores the program' 00:04:10 has that been done? 00:04:26 Moon_: i don't get pinged on oer either. doesn't client have tab completion? 00:04:34 *doesn't your client 00:04:54 (not that i really get pinged anyway, since i have sound off in irssi) 00:05:14 Moon_: lots of times. 00:05:38 damnit 00:08:57 some esoteric assembly languages such as SUBLEQ, many languages that simply execute by modifying the program itself (e.g. ///, Fueue) 00:09:15 lambda calculus 00:11:56 I seem to be formulating an esolang 00:12:54 oerjan: FSAs 00:13:05 s/oerjan/Moon_/ 00:13:11 ? 00:13:15 Moon_: Haskell 00:13:24 (from the programmer's perspective, at least) 00:13:25 ?? 00:13:38 Moon_: We're giving examples 00:13:42 oh 00:13:43 i'm not sure Haskell fits very well. 00:13:49 i dont need em 00:13:55 oerjan: From the programmer's perspective it does 00:14:03 Moon_: We were trying to inform you that that's been done before 00:14:20 oerjan: Are there any esolangs that do high-level self-modification? 00:14:37 hppavilion[2]: Feather would if it existed. 00:14:46 i guess emmental does 00:15:12 and there are other cheese-named languages that i vaguely think do the same but i haven't learned them. 00:15:22 (Mascarpone) 00:15:42 oerjan: Those modify the language, not the program 00:15:46 I think 00:15:57 oh that's what i thought you meant by high-level 00:16:18 what is high-level, then? 00:16:30 oerjan: Well, django is high level sockets 00:16:43 hppavilion[2]: i don't know django. 00:16:58 oerjan: I don't either 00:17:05 oerjan: But it's a networking library for python 00:17:13 * hppavilion[2] tries to think of more examples 00:17:30 please observe that i am _extremely_ clueless about enterprise programming solutions. 00:17:43 oerjan: A CAS library is the (very-)high-level version of math.h (or whatever it's called) 00:18:17 i've never actually ... actually come to think of it someone _did_ pay me to make a program in Pascal once. 00:18:20 I wouldn't really call Django a "networking library". 00:18:23 It's a web framework. 00:18:29 fizzie: Yeah, and the web is on a network 00:18:43 you're missing the point 00:18:51 The connotations of "networking library" and "web framework" are entirely different. 00:18:55 it was very simple and for academic research, anyway. 00:19:19 oerjan: CAS as in, one where operations create objects that have /properties/ applied to them and are /simplified/ automatically before being processed into usable values, rather than just evaluating to floating point immediately 00:19:32 `` echo gjhnxvbhjkxjfjcgnkf | Something 'You dont get the point, hppa' 00:19:43 jnÿ..u 00:19:43 So, for example, sqrt(x)**2 is /actually/ equal to x 00:19:45 hppavilion[2]: networking library:web framework::physics:chemistry hth 00:19:52 oerjan: Yeah, fair enough 00:19:57 or possibly :biology 00:20:15 oerjan: Probably biology 00:20:26 hp, try the `Something command 00:20:29 just give it a input 00:20:34 and a argument 00:20:39 Hm.... networking library:?::physics:sociology 00:20:40 if you wanted a high-level self-modifying language the most straightforward way would be to make the program AST a modifiable object 00:20:45 hppavilion[2]: Only over the complex numbers 00:20:49 Phantom_Hoover: Yes 00:20:55 FreeFull: Well yeah 00:21:01 FreeFull: But we're assuming it stops there 00:21:20 I suppose if you restrict yourself to non-negative reals that works too 00:21:24 `moonlang +jR+Rj++++[-p++++P]pJ[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:21:25 j 00:21:38 Fizzie, its broken 00:21:49 `Something 00:21:50 Segmentation fault 00:22:00 it needs args 00:22:01 just one 00:22:11 `Something like this 00:22:11 `mkdir cdescs 00:22:14 hppavilion[2]: i think there are very few if any esolangs that high level, self-modifying or not. 00:22:21 . 00:22:21 No output. 00:22:29 yeah 00:22:30 `moonlang +jrR+Rj++++[-p++++P]pJ[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:22:31 +jR+Rj++++[-p++++P]pJ[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:22:41 oerjan: Yes, but a CAS is very high level. I'm going for something just a little high level 00:22:42 the number of esolangs that go beyond single-character commands with no syntax is depressingly small 00:23:00 Phantom_Hoover: I am formulating an esoASM based on pie charts 00:23:13 Moon_: You removed the "r". 00:23:26 Or I did. 00:23:32 Yes, apparently I did. 00:23:34 you did 00:23:40 i copyed that from the wiki 00:23:45 Moon_: *copied 00:23:46 hppavilion[2]: ? = social media? 00:23:52 *copied 00:23:53 oerjan: Ah, yes 00:24:02 oerjan: Programmable social media... mmm... 00:24:07 (= 00:24:10 sounds like fun 00:24:19 just gotta learn to program people (heh) 00:24:35 [wiki] [[CIOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46865&oldid=46863 * Fizzie * (+1) /* Examples */ Let's fix that. 00:24:40 Moon_: I do thing a category-theoretical social network for mathematicians would be fun xD 00:25:07 (page is object, things-that-can-occur-in-your-feed are arrows) 00:25:18 Fizzie, the quine misses the r 00:25:26 (uncomposed arrows are who you follow) 00:25:42 +jR+Rj++++[-p++++P]pJ[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;Jv 00:25:52 *ow* 00:26:04 Oh, whoops. That's probably why I missed it. 00:26:11 Probably copied the output in. 00:26:14 [wiki] [[Talk:Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46866&oldid=45241 * 104.163.150.67 * (+363) /* What about editor of Befunge programs? */ bef.vim 00:26:21 Well, it's an easy fix. 00:26:28 *not* 00:26:37 `moonlang +jrR+Rj+Rr++++[-p++++P]pJ[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:26:38 +jrGJ 00:26:42 Hm. 00:26:47 oerjan: Maybe we need some high-level esolangs... 00:26:48 Oh, whoops. 00:27:23 Needs a little bit of adjustment of constants. 00:28:04 man i just realised esolangs are subject to the inverse wadler's law 00:28:20 nobody ever cares about lexical syntax, let alone comments 00:28:43 i might try a higher level eso 00:30:11 `moonlang +jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:30:12 +jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:30:16 That's better. 00:30:53 [wiki] [[CIOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46867&oldid=46865 * Fizzie * (+8) /* Examples */ Let's *actually* fix that. 00:31:21 `addquote man i just realised esolangs are subject to the inverse wadler's law nobody ever cares about lexical syntax, let alone comments 00:31:25 1278) man i just realised esolangs are subject to the inverse wadler's law nobody ever cares about lexical syntax, let alone comments 00:31:52 who thinks i should make a higher level esolang 00:32:12 me imho 00:32:42 Well i need to make the standard first 00:33:20 ?? just write an implementation and then declare it to be the reference 00:33:20 just write an implementation and then declare it to be the reference 00:33:30 thanks lambdabot ur great help 00:33:31 Phantom_Hoover: it's a shame i've never finished Reaper, i actually had (evil) ideas about syntax for it 00:33:39 including lexical 00:34:08 but somehow i never feel like actually doing it. 00:34:18 yeah there's crazy shit you could do with syntax that nobody's ever explored 00:34:51 oh, i had an evil idea for comments too. 00:35:18 i think that may have been put on the wiki. 00:35:32 i mean who says tokens have to be sequential characters, or that the AST has to be a tree?? 00:37:11 Phantom_Hoover: well some of the two-dimensional languages stretch that, at least. 00:37:27 hmm 00:37:46 befunge just doesn't have syntax, in the same way that machine code doesn't have syntax 00:38:03 what about Funciton 00:39:08 well it's tokenisation is pretty tame but it does allow cycles in a fundamental way so i guess that counts 00:39:14 *its 00:43:26 well im going to try something minimal first.. or i might not make a higher level eso.. 00:43:50 `bottlesofbeer 00:43:51 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bottlesofbeer: not found 00:43:54 `ls 00:43:57 ^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 6TL7V2mM \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src 00:44:06 `bb99 00:44:07 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bb99: not found 00:44:11 `b99 00:44:12 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: b99: not found 00:44:18 `bb99 00:44:19 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bb99: not found 00:44:21 `99bb 00:44:22 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 99bb: not found 00:44:28 `./99 00:44:29 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/99: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/99: cannot execute: Permission denied 00:44:30 ... 00:44:32 `./99bb 00:44:33 99 bottles of beer in the wall, \ 99 bottles of beer. \ Take one down, pass it round, \ 98 }bottles of beer in the wall \ \ 98 bottles of beer in the wall, \ 98 bottles of beer. \ Take one down, pass it round, \ 97 }bottles of beer in the wall \ \ 97 bottles of beer in the wall, \ 97 bottles of beer. \ Take one down, pass it round, \ 96 }bottl 00:45:00 ./Eternity Annoy oerjan 00:45:11 new rule: you don't get to mistype a command more than once. 00:45:25 heh 00:45:35 `ls bin 00:45:37 i shall surely now be hit by this rule next time i use HackEgo 00:45:39 ` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ bookofeso \ 00:45:43 lol 00:45:49 why not undo it 00:45:54 `8ball 00:45:55 Very doubtful. 00:46:00 `8ball 00:46:01 Cannot predict now. 00:46:12 `allquotes 00:46:15 1) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 2) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ 3) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ 4) GKennethR: he 00:46:25 `cat 99 00:46:26 b=bottle a=({no+more+$b\s,1+$b,{2..99}+$b\s}+of+beer) w=on+the+wall \ x=(Take+one+down,+pass+it+around Go+to+the+store+and+buy+some+more) \ for i in {99..0};{ \ echo "${a[i]^} $w, ${a[i]}. \ ${x[!i]}, ${a[i-1]} $w." \ }|tr + \ 00:46:28 `allquotes 1000 00:46:29 1) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 2) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ 3) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ 4) GKennethR: he 00:46:41 Oh the shellscript 99bob 00:46:47 no 00:46:50 that c 00:46:50 that was izabera's, wasn't it 00:46:55 i think 00:46:58 nvm 00:47:02 Well I think it's bash 00:47:06 99bb is c 00:47:11 `cat 99bb 00:47:12 âELF............>......@.....@.......è..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....l......l........ ............p......p`.....p`.....8......@........ .................`.....`.....à.......à................ 00:47:25 Well, it was. Before you compiled it 00:47:35 Moon_: allquotes is just a helping program that the other quote programs use, it doesn't take arguments. 00:47:36 -!- fowl has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:47:46 all it does is add line numbers, really 00:48:08 `5quote 00:48:11 731) (help why are german) i play the german version of crawl i \ 982) Bike: I think you're ready to learn about lens. oh god fiora help somebody help anybody \ 1044) kmc: you gotta tell me if you're an op \ 513) Phantom_Hoover: Sort of a monadic human centipede. \ 00:48:31 `quote 00:48:32 732) itidus21: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, h 00:48:32 `quote 00:48:33 977) i'm not actually competent at hacking things ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] [face shoved in toilet] 00:48:34 `quote 00:48:35 894) in Smalltalk, as in Feather, in order to do I/O, you must first create the universe ais523, it seems quite capable of I/O... GUI is a form of I/O Sgeo: yeah exactly where does the GUI come from? it's written in Smalltalk, clearly and how does the GUI do its I/O? if you think ab 00:48:35 `quote 00:48:36 785) I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D 00:48:36 `quote 00:48:37 875) what is this set? sounds like shakespear Yes, that's what people often say about Chrono Trigger. 00:48:45 Haven't done one of those in some time 00:48:49 that was izabera's, wasn't it <-- yep 00:50:18 `quote 00:50:19 1156) Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day 00:50:30 `quote 00:50:31 149) [spam] Any flavored hell can pee on the pig pen, but it takes a real football team to throw a slyly optimal formless void at a hole puncher. 00:50:39 `quote 00:50:40 621) Do you want me to live dangerously and just stick it in the bot without testing it? fizzie: Yes. There is pretty much no way it won't be amazing. 00:51:01 `quote 00:51:02 1038) I'm glad I quit programming to take up listening to numbers stations 00:51:16 `quote 00:51:17 214) !bfjoust test (-)*10000 Score for Vorpal_test: 12.9 yay 00:51:31 `quote 00:51:32 681) [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice. 00:51:43 `quote 00:51:44 424) [2008] i'm testing Haiku and it appears that it is a major shit 5+7+5, not 5+11, nooga 00:51:46 !bfjoust test (-)*10000 00:52:03 huh 00:52:12 I don't see EgoBot around 00:52:13 i guess egobot doesnt exist or is offline 00:52:21 * FireFly points at nicklist 00:53:15 i'm afraid only shachaf followed the protocol properly and none of his quotes are bad enough to delete hth 00:53:28 `quote 00:53:29 238) Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. 00:53:32 `quote 00:53:33 1085) are you saying the rockies and some mountains in norway are the same range 00:53:36 `quote 00:53:37 655) Even the Spanish Inquisition is in this game. zzo38: was it unexpected? Kind of... 00:53:45 `quote 00:53:45 160) Thanks to nooga for constructive criticism, his ideas and being a constant annoyance. --http://theendisnear.no-ip.info/ 00:53:49 `quote 00:53:50 1275) `quote `quote `quote `quote ....lovely spam, oh wonderful spam... 00:54:04 `quote 00:54:05 342) " elliott: Americans also have 20 mile one-way commutes." <<< one-way commutes? you have like disposable jobs? 00:54:14 `quote 00:54:15 726) * elliott is back not for killing purposes but here to kill people. 00:54:26 `quote 00:54:27 281) i understand that people had to use twitter and facebook before irc was invented, but now they just feel like ancient history 00:55:32 Moon_: you might look at the wisdom.pdf in the topic hth 00:56:40 I don't see EgoBot around <-- EgoBot, glogbot and Gregor are AWOL. hth, which it doesn't. 00:56:58 Right 00:58:36 `moonlang rChallange, anyone?; 00:58:38 Challange, anyone? 01:00:01 * oerjan slowly walks around the channel with a "Don't ask to ask" poster 01:01:08 wait, s/poster/sign/ 01:01:47 -!- zemhill has joined. 01:01:53 `fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/VNUWNNx4 01:01:54 I don't know how that was gone as well. 01:01:55 2016-04-29 00:01:54 URL:http://pastebin.com/raw/VNUWNNx4 [103] -> "VNUWNNx4" [1] 01:02:11 fizzie: someone's after our bots 01:02:24 ``` gcc -x c -o bin/pingbot VNUWMNx4 01:02:41 gcc: error: VNUWMNx4: No such file or directory \ gcc: warning: '-x c' after last input file has no effect \ gcc: fatal error: no input files \ compilation terminated. 01:02:46 `` gcc -x c -o bin/pingbot VNUWMNx4 01:02:56 gcc: error: VNUWMNx4: No such file or directory \ gcc: warning: ‘-x c’ after last input file has no effect \ gcc: fatal error: no input files \ compilation terminated. 01:03:11 M and N are different letters, and that's the most useless use of C. 01:03:20 `ping 01:03:21 pong 01:03:24 There's already a command for that. 01:03:27 oh 01:03:29 * oerjan swats Moon_ for breaking aforementioned rule -----### 01:03:33 lol im stupid 01:03:41 where's oklopol, anyway? twh 01:04:05 oerjan: wasn't the rule about mistyping 01:04:08 shachaf: in chile, unless he's returned to finland 01:04:33 shachaf: if substituting M for N isn't mistyping, then what is? 01:04:56 who's to say whether a command is correct, though 01:05:03 shachaf: oklopol sometimes stealthily passes by the channel. i talked to him a few weeks ago. 01:05:10 perhaps the desired behavior was produced the second time 01:05:11 `Something mhmwho? 01:05:22 shachaf: OKAY 01:05:27 `` echo fgdffggvfge | Something mhmwho? 01:05:28 @tell oklopol hi 01:05:35 shachaf, finland hth 01:05:41 shachaf: in that case, who's to say he didn't want to be swatted 01:05:43 No output. 01:05:44 . 01:05:52 `` echo fgdffggvfge | Something mhmwho j7ndzbcxhvgfcdkbyfxu? 01:05:52 Phantom_Hoover: what happened to chile 01:05:53 No output. 01:05:53 i didnt 01:05:54 shachaf: by stealthily, i mean he uses random nicks. 01:05:56 i didnt 01:06:11 i don't think he goes by oklopol any longer. 01:06:28 `` echo fgdffggvfge | Something mhmwhoj7ndzbcxhvgfcdkbyfxu? 01:06:29 feh. 01:06:36 oklofok? 01:06:40 shachaf, well it's spring now so it's not so chile any more 01:06:52 shachaf: last i talked to him he was just at the end of his stay in chile. 01:06:54 `` which something 01:06:55 No output. 01:06:58 `` which Something 01:06:59 /hackenv/bin/Something 01:07:00 wait, was that just a pun 01:07:09 * oerjan swats Phantom_Hoover -----### 01:07:38 `` gcc -x c -o bin/Something wGAUV3ER compiles something 01:07:39 also 01:07:45 thats a pastebin name 01:07:49 so you can see what something is 01:08:38 mkdir src 01:08:43 `mkdir src 01:08:45 mkdir: cannot create directory `src': File exists 01:09:00 `mkdir usersrc 01:09:01 No output. 01:09:21 What exactly is wrong with the existing 'src'? 01:09:26 idk 01:09:30 rm usersrc 01:09:34 im really testing here 01:09:36 `rm usersrc 01:09:37 rm: cannot remove `usersrc': Is a directory 01:09:45 `rmdir usersrc 01:09:46 No output. 01:09:48 `ls 01:09:49 ^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 6TL7V2mM \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src 01:09:51 `ls src 01:09:52 brainfuck.fu \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm 01:11:01 how do i rename a file? 01:11:08 with `` mv 01:11:37 `` mv 01:11:38 mv: missing file operand \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 01:11:49 `` mv -r wGAUV3ER Something.c 01:11:51 mv: invalid option -- 'r' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 01:11:55 `` mv wGAUV3ER Something.c 01:11:58 No output. 01:12:01 ls 01:12:11 now how do i move a file? 01:12:12 `ls 01:12:13 ^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 6TL7V2mM \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ Some 01:12:18 With mv. 01:12:36 `revert 01:12:47 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 01:12:50 oh hm 01:12:50 it vanished 01:12:55 `ls 01:13:00 What "vanished"? 01:13:01