< 1463702410 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's concievable I've been within 400 miles of Mountain View < 1463702471 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AMTRAK is like the Orient Express of the USA. It'll be a special time." < 1463702478 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been in the Bay Area? < 1463702513 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be something called the California Zephyr. < 1463702522 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not as far as I'm aware < 1463702534 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember Universal Studios which apparently is in Los Angeles < 1463702534 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1463702540 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is. < 1463702540 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only 3 years of age < 1463702547 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is a good drummer? < 1463702570 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it immoral for me to live in the united states < 1463702570 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an odd question to ask, quintopia < 1463702590 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be more or less odd to answer? < 1463702598 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it isn't immoral to me, you live there of your own free will < 1463702598 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take that as your answering "not me" < 1463702604 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how bout you? < 1463702617 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a drummer at all. < 1463702623 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike drums. < 1463702637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it immoral to me, though < 1463702639 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzello! drums? < 1463702647 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that depends on your morals < 1463702977 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it immoral if you aren't a citizen of another country and thus have real issues living anywhere else? < 1463703005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all sorts of citizenships, though. < 1463703058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but the other countries have mandatory military service. < 1463703103 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but IIRC you've got the right to live anywhere in Schengen, so hey. < 1463703127 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two with the vague possibility of a third < 1463703138 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of which as far as I am aware have mandatory military service < 1463703144 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I think the exemption specifically relies on me living in the US? < 1463703147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure. < 1463703152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], summary of my collated research on today's xkcd: < 1463703153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : after extensive research i have concluded that the joke is that as it is spring there are rabbits around and people take pictures of the cute little ones < 1463703153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : half of the joke appears to have been left out of the comic and the remainder has been extrapolated grotesquely by randall's blackbird-like comedic timing < 1463703164 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No drums. < 1463703179 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I have a unicycle if it helps < 1463703241 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: will that help us start an esoteric band < 1463703244 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Huh. I woulda figured it would be on you not living in the countries in question. < 1463703260 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I believe bands are made more esoteric if they have a unicycle < 1463703260 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I am in no way an expert on mandatory military service requirements in other countries. < 1463703266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you ever get emails from Skyrock Adventures? < 1463703274 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge. < 1463703290 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I cannot yet ride said unicycle < 1463703303 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: more eccentric, certainly. more esoteric though? < 1463703311 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly hope you couldn't get in a situation where you would be forced to engage in mandatory military service in two countries *simultaneously*... < 1463703322 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, only a select few people can ride a unicycle < 1463703334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a select few fewer than few? < 1463703335 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which are here? < 1463703338 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, especially if said countries were at war < 1463703346 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland, the military service is optional if you have a second nationality and haven't been living in Finland for the last seven years or more. < 1463703351 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not necessarily, but it is more prestigious < 1463703367 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which is only half the situation for shachaf, unfortunately. < 1463703376 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't the foggiest clue how that works for Israel. < 1463703395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, is that true? But what happens when you move to Finland for seven years? < 1463703424 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you are stationed in Finland while in another nation's military < 1463703446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you work a lot of overtime < 1463703472 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That typically is not considered "living in the country", bizarrely. < 1463703476 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you move back to Finland while still <= 30 years old, you'll need to do it; if older than that, they'll just forget about it. < 1463703483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1463703496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can just wait [redacted] years and then move to Finland, I guess. < 1463703511 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so you originated in finland? < 1463703523 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you have one of those ridiculous names by birthright? < 1463703529 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, fizzie did. < 1463703627 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently the 7-year rule is also just the threshold after which it's automatic. You can apply for an exemption even if you've been away from Finland less than that, if you're sufficiently free of connections to Finland.) < 1463703644 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just the boring one nationality. < 1463703659 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I only have US citizenship. So boring. < 1463703672 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have followed this convo more closely < 1463703674 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lost < 1463703689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1463703690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather better than a US green card though. Many of the related obligations without many of the rights. < 1463703708 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will head to bed now < 1463703710 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1463703722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep meaning to get an irish passport < 1463703726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the sake of having one < 1463703748 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1463703751 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antidiluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. < 1463703758 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat. < 1463703766 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if the UK leaves the EU I'll be doing my best to get a Netherlands passport < 1463703771 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/anti/ante/' wisdom/oerjan < 1463703774 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, you've been known to kick people who flood the channel < 1463703775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1463703779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh good point i should get on that < 1463703791 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the UK leaves the EU, I wonder whether they'll kick me out. < 1463703798 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, getting a Netherlands passport? < 1463703802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :god the border situation's going to be a clusterfuck once that happens < 1463703813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you live in the uk? < 1463703830 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That would be such a clusterfuck. < 1463703846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: TOO LATE < 1463703852 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, the UK being in Schengen is not directly related to them being in the EU. < 1463703868 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, since January last year. < 1463703872 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible they could leave the EU but still be in their weird half-Schengen state. < 1463703881 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: apparently you mildly dislike puns with a passion too hth < 1463703907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ireland in schengen? presumably not since in practical terms the borders work the same as the UK < 1463703922 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's got the same deal as the UK < 1463703922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmm, where < 1463703951 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Half-Schengen. They're on the same bizarro thing where they agree to many of the terms such as the right to residence for Schengen citizens, but not the open border. < 1463703975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only puns masquerading as stupid typos hth < 1463703983 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: London. < 1463704023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I heard the new London office was going to be pretty good. < 1463704052 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I mean, there's two. < 1463704070 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's the one we're moving in soon, that's just a boring old office building rented from someone. < 1463704091 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And then there's the new building Google's building from scratch, that's supposed to be incredible and all that. < 1463704103 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the latter doesn't actually exist. < 1463704106 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, they're still building it? < 1463704108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been years. < 1463704112 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't started yet. < 1463704117 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iplkjibrewxgqhby JOIN :#esoteric < 1463704118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an impressive hole in the ground, though. < 1463704128 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, y'know, it's gotta be web-scale. < 1463704131 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463704157 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story I heard was, the plans were insufficiently awesome and had to be scrapped. < 1463704174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has to be true, since that's what Daily Mail says: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2950181/Google-scraps-boring-plans-London-HQ-Internet-giant-s-boss-Larry-Page-orders-architects-design-building-worthy-standing-100-years.html < 1463704179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah for fuck's sake i think i need mine and my parents' birth certificates to get an irish passport < 1463704186 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like Page. < 1463704233 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The office that actually does exist is right next to the hole in the ground, though, so at least it'll be a short move if they eventually end up building something. < 1463704850 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463704979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now i'm thinking of those sinkholes... < 1463706178 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinkholes. deep into the ground, a little bit darker than they ought to be. than they have the right to be. shouldn't they be lightened more by the light source you carry? < 1463706187 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463706212 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flashlight should do its job, not bring out too many shadows, right by the corner of your vision. < 1463706265 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the descent is easy, even if the rock is clammy. steps hewn so many years ago are uneven, but wide. you won't slip, or if you do, you'll be close enough to the ground to not break too many bones. < 1463706310 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you hope so. the ground isn't there, and you fear it has forsaken you. not even a geological laugh to remind you of its presence. it smirks, in the darkness. < 1463706325 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoily. i assume there's a reference. < 1463706504 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be in the act of reading a few SCPs... < 1463706517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd do it. < 1463706551 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flashlight reminded me of another one, the dimension hopper. < 1463706628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say you shouldn't assume light is harmless. < 1463706752 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: We are the Knights Who Say Ni! < 1463706870 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP-507 is a very well done article. < 1463706896 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was inspired by SCP-087, my all-time favourite. that one is gutwrenchterrifying. < 1463707046 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463707741 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463708233 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, disliking bell peppers makes you quirky now? <-- definitely! < 1463708353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1463708418 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know what else is quirky? editing your own wisdom entry hth < 1463708470 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cflcddsomqwmtppw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1463708476 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? evil < 1463708513 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1463708534 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? overlord < 1463708539 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where did i put it. < 1463708540 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil overlords do evil acts like taking over the world, kicking puppies, and changing their own wisdom entries. < 1463708545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there it was. < 1463708549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1463708674 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I think my language nomadness is at a standstil < 1463708689 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to look at other languages but all I see is ways that they're bad because they're not Rust. < 1463708699 0 :Moon_!4c014edc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.78.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1463708734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how am i going to make a "rusted" pun when you type this fast tdnh < 1463708763 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang < 1463708765 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang is probably Rust ATM. < 1463708812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this the first time i've heard of sgeolang < 1463708845 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. < 1463708850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'sgeolang': Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. < 1463708909 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to look at Perl 6, but I keep getting hung up on its mutability model not being Rust's, and that roles suck compared to Rust traits < 1463708910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: `wisdom uses a bad PRNG? < 1463708918 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1463708946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i kind of assumed sgeo stopped jumping languages after i stopped paying attention to this channel < 1463708948 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of other stuff I can almost forgive based on Perl 6 being dynamically typed < 1463709171 0 :Moon_!4c014edc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.78.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does hackego allow sshing? < 1463709294 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think your language behavior may be the opposite of nomadness hth < 1463709305 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhelloon_. you should try! < 1463709318 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: `wisdom was created just the other day anyway < 1463709325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What about all the ways Rust is bad because it's not Haskell? < 1463709337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it means is that you've grown old and set in your ways hth < 1463709378 0 :Moon_!4c014edc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.78.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sh < 1463709382 0 :Moon_!4c014edc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.78.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ssh < 1463709409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1463709409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ssh: not found < 1463709439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log bin/wisdom | tac < 1463709448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1463709464 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1463709464 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log bin/wisdom | grep date < 1463709466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: Tue May 03 23:17:41 2016 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:53:18 2015 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:52:06 2015 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:50:09 2015 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:40:16 2015 +0000 \ date: Thu Jul 02 15:13:01 2015 +0000 \ date: Thu Jul 02 15:06:48 2015 +0000 \ date: Sun Jun 21 02:4 < 1463709473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log bin/wisdom | grep date | tail -n1 < 1463709475 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: Mon Jun 01 23:54:10 2015 +0000 < 1463709483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's less than a year old < 1463709504 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1463709527 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rust is good, exactly because it isn't Haskell. < 1463709608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quickly jumps into the bomb shelter < 1463709617 0 :Moon_!4c014edc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.78.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hackego < 1463709619 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! < 1463709661 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rust < 1463709663 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell. < 1463709667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is da bomb < 1463710065 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust fixes a lot of problems Haskell has IMO < 1463710251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like rank-n types? < 1463710278 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like annoying to use records < 1463710321 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/47ucw9/comparing_haskell_and_rust_which_to_choose_when/d0fphn2 < 1463710326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463710403 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust Uses Simple Types < 1463710501 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has type families and not fundeps, instead of both for historical reasons like Haskel < 1463710503 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell < 1463710680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have injective type families, though < 1463710926 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1463710940 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EDUTAINMENT CHICKEN < 1463711234 0 :Moon_!4c014edc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.78.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1463713577 0 :MDude!?@? NICK :MDream < 1463713891 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what those are < 1463713926 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I have been able to fake rank-n types in some circumstances, although it sucks < 1463714019 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a trait (like a Haskell class) representing forall a. (Reifies a b) => a -> b < 1463714031 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have a reasonable way to write closures that satisfy that < 1463714062 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a macro, but it doesn't close over stuff: < 1463714062 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/Sgeo/3d7f8449ea5ba136038a9c677e744004#file-haskell_reflection_2-rs-L157 < 1463716947 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1463717777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463718110 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1463718385 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1463718653 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-065-238-099.088.065.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1463719150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1463720947 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have writen some designs for a kind of computer machine and I wrote about the video processor and blitter and so on. The blitter is not nearly as advanced as Amiga, though. < 1463721603 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do memcpy(dest,src,n) as memblt(dest,1,src,1,n,0,MEMBLT_OPAQUE) and memset(s,c,n) as memblt(s,1,&c,0,n,0,MEMBLT_OPAQUE) for example. < 1463721641 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1463721651 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know some things about computer hardware design? < 1463721755 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things < 1463721776 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general problem with blitters is that you need 3 times the memory bandwidth < 1463721808 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once for reading the texture, once for writing to the framebuffer, and once for displaying to the screen < 1463721837 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Amiga the blitter in my design uses up CPU cycles and cannot run simultaneously with the CPU. Also screen displaying is a separate component. < 1463721868 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video processor is clock interleaved with the CPU. < 1463721904 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the amiga share the same ram for gfx and cpu& < 1463721905 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1463721918 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least the amiga 500) < 1463721939 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot about Amiga, but I think it does share some of the RAM. < 1463721960 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it has 2 types of ram... chip ram and fast ram < 1463721973 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast ram is fast because it's not shared with the video and sound hw :3 < 1463721991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and only the Chip-RAM is shared. < 1463722014 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have hw scrolling? < 1463722056 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own design is different; video and CPU are clock-interleaved so both have exclusive access to memory. CPU can run at double speed when video is disabled (note that video is normally enabled even during vblank, since the video processor executes instructions during vblank and hblank) < 1463722089 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what generation of dram is your system designed around? < 1463722092 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Yes, the video processor runs a program which can write to the video registers in order to implement scrolling and so on < 1463722104 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :early c64 like dram or modern? < 1463722119 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 8 bits? 16 bits? 32 bits? < 1463722130 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bits? < 1463722154 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't decided anything about DRAM yet, although it is 8-bits data, 32-bits address (audio memory is 16-bits data though) < 1463722182 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it make sense to have vram if you have ram for audio? < 1463722195 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or share the audio ram between gfx and sound? < 1463722271 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit ram shared between cpu and gpu might not be fast enough to run a blitter < 1463722285 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463722285 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing it in 4 colors or 2 colors < 1463722349 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The designs can change in future of course, although currently what I have for audio is that it uses separate memory and can run in parallel with CPU/video, so CPU cannot access it (you would have to use some kind of DMA transfer modes to do it I suppose) < 1463722382 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some systems have no cpu access of vram either < 1463722384 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463722397 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. genesis I think (though it has dma for that) < 1463722534 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue I see is that dram runs at something like 3mhz < 1463722541 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leaves 1.5mhz for the gpu < 1463722582 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for NTSC that's about 96 memory accesses per scanline < 1463722786 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the active region is about 75% of the width that's like (80% on paper + 5% overdraw or something like that), 72 cycles for the actually drawn pixels < 1463722840 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you have to draw about 4 pixels worth of graphics per byte < 1463723552 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463724184 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get 16 colors you'd need either 16bit ram, separate cpu vs gpu ram, or more modern ram that's faster if subsequent accesses fall in the same page < 1463724194 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or multiple ram banks on the same address pins < 1463724901 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to draw sprites you probably have to eat into your cpu cycles or leftover gpu cycles but that's not too bad if you don't have too many large objects :3 < 1463725114 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Perl6 is bad at math < 1463725115 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20<Sgeo>30 m: say (1+10i) ~~ (-∞..∞) < 1463725115 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<camelia18> rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«True␤» < 1463725116 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1463725130 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah I hate HexChat sometimes < 1463725139 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : m: say (1+10i) ~~ (-∞..∞) < 1463725146 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :camelia> rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«True␤» < 1463725520 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for real? *scnr* < 1463725675 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : basically I've looked at this... it's hard to really have sprites on a 8bit system with shared gpu + cpu ram < 1463725686 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho c64 does it (barely) < 1463725844 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess the msx2 vdp does it but it has really few sprites and not very high bit depth < 1463725976 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C64 does it, but at the expense of the CPU not being able to read RAM as often while the screen is drawn. < 1463726032 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VIC ends up taking exclusive control of the bus at various points, which sucks. < 1463726112 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1463726137 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole system is just kinda strapped for bandwidth < 1463726154 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to have an extra SRAM for the colors < 1463726327 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the reasons the amiga can do more simply because the ram bus is 16bits instead of 8bits < 1463726361 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok and also having proper cmos chips instead of slow nmos and enough chip space for control registers for everything :3 ) < 1463726513 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written the list of cycle accesses and that stuff < 1463726607 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is two clock cycles per pixel (which is what Digi-RGB (also another specification I made up) uses). < 1463726627 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is what I have written so far: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/new.computer There is more but on paper and I have not written it into the computer yet. < 1463726697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, I have exactly sixteen memory accesses needed per tile, which is what I needed. < 1463726757 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that CPU and video are clock interleaved, so both have exclusive access to RAM. < 1463726934 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprites are 8x8 or 8x16 and the attribute byte of a sprite consists of a 4-bit plane mask, a collision bit, a height bit, a occult bit, and a impostor bit. < 1463727171 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 gpu clocks per pixel? < 1463727175 0 :unifowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vyrnjhzgkmlblbxs PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1463727181 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means 4 all in all? < 1463727248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1463727271 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you'd have to access ram @ 25mhz no? < 1463727312 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1463727315 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet all of the speed, and the plans may change in future as I have said. < 1463727350 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 320x240x60, that's about 400x262x60 in terms of clock cycles if you cound hblank+vblank, that's 6.3mhz < 1463727354 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixel clock < 1463727399 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it would have to be SRAM or something < 1463727435 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking SRAM actually < 1463727473 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although changes are possible as it gets made up more, there can be whatever changes we consider necessary to correct it. < 1463727489 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :640x480 quadruples this problem < 1463727507 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it has a reduction in features < 1463727527 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the frame rate could be reduced perhaps < 1463727539 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a lcd? < 1463727545 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could interlace it < 1463727666 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes interlacing is another possibility that I have thought of, but am unsure about it. However it does seem interlacing would clearly work fine with the video registers I have defined, as the display program could be defined for an interlaced display. However, I only intended 320x240 to be used for analog output while the other modes are only for LCD < 1463727798 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you have mentioned some problems so I could consider how to fix it < 1463727905 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they used all sorts of tricks on later systems so that they could do more colors and resolution < 1463727938 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iplkjibrewxgqhby QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1463727950 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly more memory bits and fast page dram (=faster if accesses fall on the same page) and multiple ram areas < 1463728032 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda sad that dram just got more and more complex as it sped up < 1463728041 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of staying simple and just speeding up < 1463728067 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I avoided it, because it is too complex < 1463728115 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sram sizes are still tiny and prices kinda hair raising last time I checked :D < 1463728140 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho psram might not be too bad < 1463728190 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "psram" mean? < 1463728211 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo static ram < 1463728227 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically dram designed to have some characteristics of static ram < 1463728246 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that might work (if I can understand it better) < 1463728276 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it varies from chip to chip I think but it goes from auto-refresh, to chips that have special layout with smaller rows so that they can be read with full accesses every time < 1463728316 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I remember reading about it being used in the first Iphones (presumably to get to market faster instead of dealing with the insane timings of DDR33456) < 1463728462 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the genesis has psram as well < 1463728567 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1463730324 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1463730707 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463730793 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1463730865 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? galss < 1463730867 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :galss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1463730870 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? glass < 1463730872 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. < 1463730897 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn glass/I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. -- http://www.savagechickens.com/2016/05/new-diet.html < 1463730900 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «glass» < 1463731129 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could implement graphical displays as either 4-plane PseudoColor XYPixmap or 15-plane TrueColor ZPixmap. < 1463731489 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you could see how you can do both of these things, as well as imitating PC text mode (including cursor) and VT100, by the use of the system I have designed (I have updated the document a bit). < 1463731570 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463731651 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1463731725 0 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1463731878 0 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463732973 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1463734527 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/xRhwA0M.jpg SPIRITS ARE ALLLWAAYS WITH YOOOUUU < 1463739586 0 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463739587 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1463740566 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:7c27:2cf8:a162:cac JOIN :#esoteric < 1463742101 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1463742111 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a warning on the menu saying "fish may contain bones", which sounds reasonable, but there's also another warning saying "olives may contain", and that's a bit more dubious. < 1463742216 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463742275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ominous < 1463742319 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub of solidity matrices | May contain | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1463743564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463743832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1463744126 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1463744593 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhoily < 1463744912 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphabetint-ello! < 1463747054 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COLLAGEN CHICKEN < 1463747114 0 :MDream!?@? NICK :MDude < 1463751691 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1463751757 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e92f:ad76:2f7f:6e5c JOIN :#esoteric < 1463751971 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iyacttmeizidqpuw JOIN :#esoteric < 1463752127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1463753283 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1463753490 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea < 1463753518 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's found the "committee for the code that's not 100% awful" < 1463753546 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can give away stickers that people can add to their readme on github < 1463753561 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "approved by CCN100A" < 1463753654 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of stars on github is clearly not enough to separate crap from good code < 1463753786 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, people < 1463753936 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1463754595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1463755162 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdxtotajjbmtovnc JOIN :#esoteric < 1463755269 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1463755986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1463756141 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1463756273 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey look, Scott Aaronson replied to a question with a Kipling quote included => https://www.quora.com/Whats-your-advice-to-someone-beginning-his-her-PhD-in-Theoretical-Computer-Science/answer/Scott-Aaronson < 1463756282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? if < 1463756400 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only halfway (? the list seems to keep growing) through those answers. < 1463756422 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1463756435 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may have been the one i actually skipped most of. < 1463756468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's one of the first ones < 1463756477 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with hackego? < 1463756481 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's left? < 1463756483 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1463756495 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think `? if isn't the same verse, but still < 1463756503 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from the same poem < 1463756548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: whoops < 1463756597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the last of Gregor's bots remaining. although maybe it'll rejoin, even if the others didn't. < 1463756713 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, he runs bots on multiple hosts? < 1463756720 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time that is < 1463756723 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done that yet < 1463756757 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've relocated my bot to another host manually for months once when I knew the normal host wasn't available for a while, but I never tried to run them on multiple machines at once. < 1463756943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm not talking about multiple copies of the same bot. except for glogbackup, which was supposed to only be here when glogbot isn't. < 1463757068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be hard to keep two copies of HackEgo in sync, because they store so much persistent mutable data < 1463757109 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463757165 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaik Gregor never synced glogbot with glogbackup, even when it was working. < 1463757780 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/davidlind/taas < 1463757982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1463758636 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1463758712 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1463758724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1463758736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1463760218 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? if < 1463760239 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: < 1463760273 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, different verse of the same poem < 1463760938 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iyacttmeizidqpuw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1463761606 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a port of allegro 4 to javascript < 1463761616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly. < 1463762009 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what's "allegro 4"? < 1463762015 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? allegro < 1463762016 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? allegro 4 < 1463762024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegro? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1463762024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegro 4? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1463762033 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game library for C < 1463762037 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1463762047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would you want a javascript port of that? < 1463762054 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hell\oren\ < 1463762101 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a much fadter computer now so i could make my old games into web games < 1463762131 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: but it's not your computer that matters for that, it's the computer of the people playing those games, right? < 1463762175 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer i wrote them on was a ancient dell laptop from 2006 < 1463762177 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my computer for example isn't powerful enough. although I recently decided it's finally time to buy a new computer that's more powerful, that will still take some time because there's some more urgent stuff I have to do before. < 1463762247 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think average pc today could do it in js < 1463762291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it unrealistically expensive if I want the desktop computer with a motherboard that can be expanded to up to 32 gibibytes of RAM, even if I only want to buy 8 gibibytes of RAM for it now? < 1463762318 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a rhetorical question, there's not much need to answer, I'll find out the answer when I look at specific motherboard models < 1463762326 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have more criteria I want from it < 1463762359 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it will cost a ton, and I have other things I want to spend money on, but still, it will be worth < 1463762378 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want all the shiny modern hardware stuff < 1463762382 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not all < 1463762384 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but much of it < 1463762415 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a thinkpad < 1463762479 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have built desktops in the past < 1463762513 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to buy a compact camera, which sounds like it's cheaper, but actually much of the hardware of a desktop computer lasts for very long, and I can expand it by replacing only some parts (additional RAM, storage, etc) later, the costs are really the same order of magnitude. < 1463762596 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The camera won't sit in a room, so its hardware (especially the lens mechanics) is amortized quickly. < 1463762651 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a surge protector yesterday < 1463762862 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd buy something that I could stick at least 32 gigs in eventually. < 1463762872 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd buy 16 in it to start with, even. < 1463762880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This workstation's got 64.) < 1463763174 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdxtotajjbmtovnc QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1463763345 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktvmnovhoqmkxauq JOIN :#esoteric < 1463764786 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://vimeo.com/93042377 < 1463765740 0 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1463765769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1463765793 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1463766845 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1463766874 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1463767132 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bpuxwmnwdsiwjbju JOIN :#esoteric < 1463768090 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1037 < 1463768091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1037: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1463768446 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e92f:ad76:2f7f:6e5c QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1463770450 0 :sebbu3!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1463772009 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463772529 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463772630 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1463775179 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1463775330 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1463775626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1463775663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Like annoying to use records < 1463775671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought someone had Solved The Records Problem < 1463775767 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1463775842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas did, with the grandmophone < 1463776000 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1463776010 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1463777493 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote a display program for use with what my new computer design says so far, that can imitate a PC text screen without the cursor (but does implement blinking text). You can look in order to see example of its working. < 1463777507 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote about audio working now < 1463778991 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463779109 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared with Amiga, my system cannot execute instructions on the video processor during rendering (so writes to video registers can occur only between scanlines or during vblank), although I have a more complex instruction set (with sixteen instructions instead of three), although the instruction set is fully orthogonal (there are two address mode bits, two condition bits, and four instruction kind bits) < 1463779285 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raster bars (horizontal and vertical) effects can still be implemented though. < 1463779822 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1463780289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monadic_predicate_calculus < 1463780291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. misleading tdnh < 1463780351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this that older low-level computer design of yours that has the strange complicated collection of addressing modes and treats the instruction pointer a general register? < 1463780394 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monadic first order logic is fun. < 1463780397 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is a different one, and I haven't written about the CPU instrucion set < 1463780398 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by complicated collection of addressing modes, I mean an instruction can have two or three arguments, each of which has a variable addressing mode with a variable number of extra bytes to encode the instruction < 1463780408 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it hard to decode instructions < 1463780420 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1463780433 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one, I thin ,had more than 16 "instructions" < 1463780452 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I mean is this one: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/new.computer it isn't that complicated to decode instructions. I have written about the video processor and audio and operating system. < 1463780465 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the video processor's instruction set is not the same as the main processor's instruction set < 1463780529 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this so far? < 1463780620 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, while we're at designs for instruction sets, just out of curiosity, have you ever looked at John Savard's designs at eg. http://www.quadibloc.com/arch/perint.htm or http://www.quadibloc.com/prog/lg00.htm ? < 1463780665 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will look now < 1463780953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1463781438 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this thing you describe and call a “video processor” sounds like a auxiliary general cpu to me, which runs synchronized with the RAM acess, and that's why it runs only during hsync and vsync time. It doesn't seem like specifically a *video* processor. It doesn't have parallelism or much video-specific things. < 1463781455 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, the sentence “Video registers are read-only.” is probably a typo < 1463781624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463781755 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it should be write-only. I fixed it now < 1463781843 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is meant for programming the video registers and can execute instructions or read during rendering, what the instructions programmed it to do. < 1463781940 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1463782266 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463782783 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:7c27:2cf8:a162:cac QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1463782966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other comments about this? < 1463783025 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1463783196 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463783543 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1463783662 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1463783981 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a Turing machine where the symbol on the tape is erased whenever you move left, is that equivalent to a push-down automaton? < 1463784034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It look it will be like the stack if you do that? < 1463784062 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you erase the symbol you're going to or the symbol you're coming from... < 1463784104 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assuming the lattter it should directly translate to a PDA. < 1463784188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. < 1463784207 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. did you intend to put input on the tape? < 1463784224 0 :ybden!?@? NICK :looking < 1463784239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess a PDA usually has a separate input tape. < 1463784429 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get something quite odd when the input and the stack share a tape... because you can compare the stack size to the current input position. so recognizing { a^nb^nc^n | n in N } seems possible. < 1463784897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1463784985 0 :looking!?@? NICK :ybden < 1463785118 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1463786322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon, you're a liar. < 1463786338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1463786341 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said they'll dispatch something on the 17th, but it's still "preparing to dispatch". < 1463786353 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they say the 17th of which month? < 1463786362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they did. < 1463786369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :year? < 1463786381 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That they don't say. < 1463786388 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there you go. < 1463786395 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do say "Expected by 22 May", but that also lacks the year. < 1463787332 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :time zone? < 1463787482 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps they're just still using the Julian calendar. < 1463787498 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be UTC-39999:00:00 timezone < 1463787553 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think we could make an authentic old-timey or medieval or “eighties” or “19th century” etc theme park just by declaring it's in some time zone with a large negative offset < 1463787626 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's how you do it? < 1463787670 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktvmnovhoqmkxauq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1463787708 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Julian calendar is 13 days behind the Gregorian now... no change since the October revolution) < 1463788083 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think a UTC-P30Y time zone is all that reasonable or authentic. < 1463788241 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it won't change until 2100. < 1463788314 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-woavibkcbljvznjk JOIN :#esoteric < 1463788670 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the PC text imitation display program I wrote, and can you find any mistakes in it?