00:02:30 <gamemanj> int-e: "overtly generous"... seems an understatement
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00:12:32 <zzo38> I started writing a document in TeX to describe Z-machine specification; my document is in the public domain and aims to be complete. Currently only the contents of the header and extension table are described.
00:12:41 <zzo38> (Except that TWID is not yet described.)
00:12:56 <tswett> 04:50:17:44:54:58:49:04:09:04:55:34:47:52:25: <!arg7@w>| ofh mrsL /he hocercd Tped- #o-tc: h3s has joan Heey piteuuc'teasu(ttou
00:18:14 <zzo38> Can someone be Zen Pagan Atheist Taoist Discordian?
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01:01:07 -!- oerjan has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Neutronium | Still BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
01:02:40 <oerjan> in fact, considering it was the immediate prerequisite.
01:04:38 <int-e> so it's about rejected kittens now
01:05:25 -!- oerjan has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Neutronium kittens | Still BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
01:09:24 * int-e purrs demonstratively
01:09:36 <int-e> my work here is done, good night!
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01:20:32 <oerjan> `le/rn member/I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
01:38:04 <tswett> `learn A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket.
01:38:10 <HackEgo> Learned 'pokemon': A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket.
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01:39:37 <tswett> Man, this thing could be better.
01:40:17 <oerjan> tswett: you know that's the actual etymology, right?
01:40:37 <shachaf> oerjan: what are you implying about the wisdom database hth
01:40:56 <tswett> But "monster that you keep in your pocket" is a pretty bad description of Pokemon.
01:41:10 <oerjan> shachaf: look, unicorns!
01:41:30 <shachaf> I guess you'd prefer wisdom to have itymologies rather than etymologies.
01:41:35 <oerjan> also that's a really bad spot to put a hth hth
01:42:07 <oerjan> shachaf: sorry, that was last generation, now we're upgrading to ichtymologies hth
01:42:16 <shachaf> oerjan: but that would've been a really good spot to put a tdnh tdnh
01:43:23 <shachaf> that would have helped hungry hungry hippos
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01:43:52 <HackEgo> Ichtymology is like itymology, but even more fishy.
01:43:52 <HackEgo> cat: bin/nooodl: No such file or directory
01:43:58 <HackEgo> cat: bin/noodl: No such file or directory
01:44:10 <HackEgo> His Master's Phonetic Hmph
01:44:11 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'
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01:46:29 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/(.)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
01:46:31 <lambdabot> *** "ichthyology" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
01:46:31 <lambdabot> n 1: the branch of zoology that studies fishes
01:47:00 <oerjan> `` echo "yaaaaaaaaaaay"
01:47:26 <oerjan> shachaf: long time temptation hth
01:47:48 <shachaf> `` rgrep -lP '(.)\1\1' wisdom
01:47:50 <HackEgo> wisdom/haskell \ wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/superexponential growth \ wisdom/nooooooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/\oren\ \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/sssssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwww \ wisdom/submarine \ wisdom/zkstr \ wis
01:47:57 <HackEgo> Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'
01:48:08 <shachaf> oerjan: might be a good idea to rule out spaces hth
01:48:45 <HackEgo> Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://wwwww.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html
01:48:52 <shachaf> `? superexponential growth
01:48:55 <HackEgo> Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!
01:49:05 <HackEgo> hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids ...
01:49:57 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/(\w)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
01:50:30 <oerjan> `` rgrep -lP '(.)\1\1' wisdom
01:50:32 <HackEgo> wisdom/haskell \ wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/superexponential growth \ wisdom/nooooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/\oren\ \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssssssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwwwww \ wisdom/submarine \ wisdom/zkstr \ w
01:52:21 <oerjan> . o O ( _maybe_ exclude w )
01:53:33 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:53:42 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:59:15 <tswett> So here's another neural net message...
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02:04:57 <oerjan> tswett: that's lousy, it doesn't even add an acronym tdnh
02:05:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Emmental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47081&oldid=47079 * 96.48.108.186 * (+88) /* Cat program */
02:11:24 <oerjan> @tell int-e <int-e> oh wow, programs compiled with ghc-8.0.1 have a virtual memory size of 1 TB on startup (x86_64 linux)... even when most of that memory is unused, that seems overly generous. <-- iirc the point is to _never_ allocate more than once so that there is no need to consider address fragmentation.
02:13:51 <tswett> 1 terabyte seems pretty small for that purpose.
02:14:02 <tswett> Like, what if I want to memory-map both of my 3 terabyte hard drives?
02:14:45 <oerjan> um those would be separate.
02:15:08 <oerjan> i mean that the normal ghc heap is one, singly allocated address block.
02:16:35 <tswett> Oh yeah... so this 1 TB thing is talknig about the heap only, not any memory-mapped stuff?
02:17:07 <oerjan> well i don't think ghc does any other automatically, but i guess any ffi may do that.
02:18:43 <shachaf> `` rgrep -lP '(\w)\1\1' wisdom
02:18:46 <HackEgo> wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/noooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwwwww \ wisdom/zkstr \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/oren's font \ wisdom/ioccccccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychw
02:19:05 <HackEgo> iocccclist is update notification for when a new year of the International Obfuscated Contest is announced, or the winners for a year is announced, or the source codes of winners are released. http://wwwwww.iocccccc.org/#news
02:19:21 <shachaf> `` rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom
02:19:23 <HackEgo> wisdom/noooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssssssssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccccccccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwlllllllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/noooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom_______
02:19:54 <shachaf> oerjan: i'm tempted to make it work on _ but maybe there's enough phantom______confusion
02:20:01 <HackEgo> ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI
02:20:17 <HackEgo> Bike FreeFull oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia
02:22:15 <oerjan> @tell int-e here's the relevant trac https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9706
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02:26:19 <shachaf> `` hg log wisdom/ievan | grep summary: | tac
02:27:10 <shachaf> The first time I heard that polkka was in 2014, it looks like.
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02:32:36 <oerjan> well i got it linked from here
02:33:47 <oerjan> (and i meant the wisdom, in case anyone is confused)
02:35:07 <shachaf> `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom
02:35:08 <HackEgo> wisdom/nooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeesh \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/vim \ wisdom/shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
02:35:25 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/(\w)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
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02:35:52 <HackEgo> vim equals to approximately ccxxxxxxviin.
02:35:57 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/([^w\w])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
02:36:14 <HackEgo> Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself.
02:36:55 <oerjan> wait did you change to \W all of a sudden
02:37:15 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/([^w\W])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
02:37:22 <shachaf> \w means word characters, \W means the complement
02:37:22 * oerjan doesn't really know what he's doing
02:37:28 <shachaf> and ^ means the complement
02:37:52 <shachaf> I sure wish regexps had intersections and complements.
02:38:14 <HackEgo> Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
02:38:26 <HackEgo> Noooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
02:38:41 <HackEgo> [11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,15555555554669736900946809800000000956080767,1372094670449491379188594026666666665466978579582015128512190078...
02:40:15 <shachaf> `le/rn pumping lemma/nooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times.
02:40:15 <HackEgo> ioccccclist is update notification for when a new year of the International Obfuscated Contest is announced, or the winners for a year is announced, or the source codes of winners are released. http://www.ioccccc.org/#news
02:40:33 <oerjan> MAYBE not so helpful in that case.
02:40:57 <shachaf> `culprits wisdom/ioccclist
02:41:28 <HackEgo> ¯\(°_o)/¯ soviet russia?
02:41:37 <HackEgo> In ancient history, the Soviet Union used to be the THEM. They believed in absurd principles like "Better Red than Dead". Then Ronald Reagan invented Star Wars to destroy it, after which there seemed to be no the THEM for a while.
02:42:03 <shachaf> I like how you can write that with <Compose> C C C P
02:42:20 <shachaf> Although not with <Compose> С С С Р
02:43:09 <shachaf> lynn: aren't you an expert in regular languages
02:43:23 <shachaf> lynn: and pooch-down automata and all sorts of things
02:44:49 <oerjan> . o O ( what style is pooch-down automata described in )
02:47:10 <oerjan> . o O ( yay, a channel killing pun )
02:51:53 <shachaf> lynn: should i take that as approval hth
02:52:02 <HackEgo> nooooooooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times.
02:53:15 <shachaf> https://bosker.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/i-hate-the-pumping-lemma/ claims that the pumping lemma for regular languages is scow
02:53:28 <shachaf> But what about the pumping lemma for context-free languages?
02:55:03 <lynn> "PS. I don’t have anything against the pumping lemma for context-free languages." Good PS.
02:55:48 <shachaf> But if you dislike the pumping lemma for regular languages because it's confusing, you must dislike the one for context-free languages even more.
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03:10:55 <lynn> Maybe it's that there's no good alternative in the context-free case
03:11:30 <lynn> Like, PLCFL is the right tool for the job, whereas PLRL is a sort of wonky over-complicated one that isn't even the best at what it does?
03:11:40 <lynn> That's what I'm getting from this blog post
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03:16:49 <zzo38> On my computer, "ddate" is not found in any package.
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03:21:39 <zzo38> In Soviet Russia, CCCP compose YOU!!!
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04:24:43 <zzo38> Can you recognize what typesetting system uses input like this? @Style[LeftMargin 10 chars, RightMargin 10 chars, Spacing 1 line, Justification no, TabWidth 8 chars] It also uses @. for a period that does not end a sentence, and it looks like the parameter of a command can use [] or () or ""
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04:59:41 <Moon_> Can someone type the char used to give hackego commands? Apple devices lack it on the keyboard
05:00:46 <zzo38> shachaf: I don't know what extension it had originally.
05:01:11 <shachaf> Does it look like <http://www.mit.edu/~kerberos/krb5-1.4/krb5-1.4.1/doc/old-V4-docs/installation.mss>?
05:01:41 <zzo38> Yes, it is like that one.
05:01:57 <Moon_> im using a tablet, so i dont have it
05:02:58 <zzo38> shachaf: Do you know what program would typeset such files?
05:04:19 <Moon_> Figured out what to do
05:14:12 <zzo38> The program in ifMUD for Discordian calendar is: @print("Today is ",@let(1,@add(@switch(@time("mon"),0,-1,1,30,2,58,3,89,4,119,5,150,6,180,7,211,8,242,9,272,10,303,11,333),@time("mday")),@switch(@print(@time("mon"),"/",@time("mday")),"1/29","St. Tib's Day", @print(@switch(@mod("%1",5),0,"Sweetmorn",1,"Boomtime",2,"Pungenday",3,"Prickle-Prickle",4,"Setting Orange"),", ",@switch(@idiv("%1",73),0,"Chaos",1,"Discord",2,"Confusion",3,"Bureaucracy",4
05:18:36 <Moon_> I wonder, would a bash script that generates a number sequence based on input be useful?
05:22:11 <zzo38> I don't know; many kind of programs probably can be written with shell-scripts. (I wrote a gopher client with shell-scripts, and there are also shell archives, and other stuff)
05:22:18 <lambdabot> Generalized pentagonal numbers: n*(3*n-1)/2, n=0, +- 1, +- 2, +- 3,....[0,1,...
05:22:55 <lambdabot> Plugin `oeis' failed with: <<timeout>>
05:24:12 <lambdabot> Look and Say sequence: describe the previous term! (method A - initial term ...
05:24:59 <tswett> Quote from the neural net:
05:24:59 <tswett> 21:16:54: <mromangaboy> is Corriuting praning that thomgar,! pomkifen pomrye that Cw2ope ywucs:
05:25:12 <tswett> Is "mromangaboy" an actual attested nick, or did the neural net just make that up?
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05:26:49 <tswett> Lemme calculate the number of parameters this net has.
05:26:52 <oerjan> Moon__: don't irc and drive hth
05:27:03 <tswett> 7 hidden layers, size 50.
05:27:06 <Moon__> `mkx sequ//echo {"$1".."$2"} | sed "s/,//g"
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05:27:14 <oerjan> tswett: mromangaboy is a pretty obvious portmanteau
05:27:24 <Moon__> My irc crashed oerjan, heh
05:27:45 <oerjan> Moon__: you forgot the bin/
05:28:14 <tswett> Input layer is size 256 (no parameters). First hidden layer is size 50 ((256+1)*50 parameters). Remaining 6 hidden layers are also size 50 (6*(50+1)*50 parameters). Output layer is size 256 ((50+1)*256 parameters).
05:28:15 <HackEgo> seq: invalid floating point argument: 1 10 \ Try `seq --help' for more information.
05:28:28 <HackEgo> 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10
05:28:35 <tswett> > (256+1)*50 + 6*(50+1)*50 + (50+1)*256
05:28:47 <Moon__> People dont use it anymore
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05:36:25 <\oren\> Moon___: don' use safari
05:36:55 <\oren\> it is a terrible browser
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05:46:37 <oerjan> and promptly fell for snoyberg's Either post.
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06:22:30 <zzo38> Is there the document describing how the VAX microcode is working?
06:30:40 <zzo38> I found some documents
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07:08:53 <oerjan> myname: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2016/04/fixing-monad-either
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07:23:23 <Moon_> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_bash_online.php Is my new favorite utility
07:27:20 <HackEgo> [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key"
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07:41:07 <myname> i prefer my bash as an actual shell
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08:51:58 <myname> i use zsh with all the fish features and more
09:03:22 <shachaf> zzo38: It looks like a command called "scribe".
09:04:39 <shachaf> zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribe_(markup_language)
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13:14:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Drainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47082&oldid=25380 * LegionMammal978 * (+26) /* External resources */
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13:37:31 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/heEk8ez.jpg do you english speaking people know what this means without looking it up?
13:38:43 <gamemanj> one unrecognized word "halcyon"... but it's probably something positive, so "halcyon days" would be something like "have good future days"/something like that
13:39:50 <izabera> it's referring to past happy days
13:40:02 <gamemanj> performing further inference... anime... iqdb searching... FAIL... Google Image Search... Bleach.
13:40:05 <izabera> according to the interwebz
13:40:16 <izabera> but that counts as looking it up
13:40:36 <gamemanj> True, but you already told me what it was, so...
13:41:04 <gamemanj> (Oh, and it's not actually telling me what the text says. *sigh*)
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14:02:04 <Phantom__Hoover> you just said it refers to past happy days, that's what i would think it means
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14:04:16 <HackEgo> Sivitri Scarzam \ 5UB \ Legendary Creature -- Human \ 6/4 \ LE-U, CH-U, ME3-C
14:06:15 <b_jonas> hehe, even John Baez reports about the small Turing machines stuff in his blog: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/
14:06:30 <b_jonas> um, http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/may_2016.html
14:07:21 <b_jonas> bt the way he reports it strenghtens my belief that I'm correct to put John Baez in the mental file of a physicist
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14:18:14 <izabera> https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
14:22:04 <\oren\> has anyone constructed a turing machine with a reel-to-reel magnetic tape?
14:23:27 <Taneb> \oren\, I was going to last summer but a) I'm terrible, and b) I have no idea where to buy that sort of tape
14:24:14 <gamemanj> eh, just cannibalize a consumer-grade tape recorder
14:24:31 <gamemanj> it's technically still reel-to-reel, the reels are just packed into portable cartridges.
14:24:49 <gamemanj> an Arduino could run the thing
14:27:36 <Taneb> gamemanj, that solves the second problem!
14:29:23 <gamemanj> depending on how far you want to go, you could just connect an Arduino to two tapes - one for the program, another for the data...
14:29:34 <gamemanj> or you could go further with logic chips
14:29:56 <gamemanj> ZX-Spectrum style tape data storage is probably easy enough to implement
14:31:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MonkeyCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47083&oldid=35328 * LegionMammal978 * (+20) /* External resources */
14:31:40 <b_jonas> um, the “tape” is just a metaphor. it needn't be actual magnetic tape.
14:31:52 <Taneb> b_jonas, no-one said it had to be
14:31:59 <b_jonas> it could be a sequence of large capacity hard disks
14:32:47 <gamemanj> and anyway, it's probably cheaper to get ahold of music cassette tape than it is large-capacity hard disks
14:35:54 <Phantom_Hoover> would you not have problems with the fact that magnetic tape might not work exactly like TM tape?
14:37:37 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean the tape has to be moving across the head to get a read, i think
14:38:01 <gamemanj> there would be problems keeping the symbols in sync, but if you can go backwards and forwards, then it's just a matter of making sure to have sync pulses. Like, two pulses nearby for "one", but one for "zero". Then it's just a matter of "formatting" the tape to put in the initial sync pulses.
14:40:34 <gamemanj> As long as it doesn't miss any pulses, it should work fine - forwards or backwards.
14:41:42 <gamemanj> After reading a pulse, the head should be parked at half of the distance between pulses, and a flag should exist to determine if it's left of the current symbol, or right.
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15:54:14 <HackEgo> termite//Termites are genericized ants for intellectual property reasons.
16:04:55 <HackEgo> mosquito//Mosquitos are tiny vampires, sucking out your soul.
16:15:15 <gamemanj> so HackEgo knows "no" but not "yes"
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16:17:56 <HackEgo> Concentrate and ask again.
16:19:21 <gamemanj> in other news, I found more messages in that weird language from yesterday-or-so:
16:19:22 <gamemanj> Thise hablookgcsToriir-dome, by:- shale,
16:19:22 <gamemanj> KI unrurwfling chillst', hy kinl'gror; fiEThgrivo? apcitjeons I rue,
16:20:07 <gamemanj> and it makes just as much sense, too...
16:21:04 <gamemanj> @tell tswett goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome,
16:21:53 <gamemanj> @tell tswett temperature 2. Two can play that game!
16:28:59 <HackEgo> ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው።
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16:57:15 <HackEgo> [U+1230 ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE SA]
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17:51:00 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... what's the Planck constant for fame? Or Beauty? Or Coolness?
17:51:56 <hppavilion[1]> I suppose that since a Warhol is the traditional unit of fame, and lasts for 15 minutes, the Planck Fame is probably 1 Planck Time of fame
17:53:08 <hppavilion[1]> So the Planck Fame is, of course, the minimum amount of fame required to wind up on TMZ
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17:55:53 <gamemanj> ...I'm not going to ask what TPETA is
17:56:05 <gamemanj> and I'm going to be scared of what I guess
17:56:16 <hppavilion[1]> (Theoretical Physicists for the Ethical Treatment of Assemblies of Fundamental Particles)
17:57:25 <gamemanj> wait... do they consider eating food unethical, then?
17:57:53 <gamemanj> technically food == assemblies of fundamental particles... Ok, I think I can successfully get people to ignore them
17:57:54 <zzo38> The link for the Perl implementation of muxcomp seem broke, although it will be possible to write new implementations based on the description there, including hardware implementation.
17:58:35 <zzo38> It is on esolang wiki
17:58:47 <gamemanj> Is this your plan for the main CPU?
17:59:14 <zzo38> For part of the microcode for main CPU, possibly.
17:59:19 <gamemanj> I think it might be easier to just use the video processor design ^.^;
17:59:30 <gamemanj> as in, just one processor design, but multiple of them
18:00:15 <zzo38> That is another idea
18:00:35 <gamemanj> I think it keeps things simple...
18:00:56 <gamemanj> Plus, simple processor means you need less FPGA resources in theory
18:01:16 <zzo38> Yes I can understand that.
18:01:37 <zzo38> However I think what is design for video processor would be insufficient for the main processor
18:02:30 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... do imperial units include less conventional measurements? e.g. an equivalent of Pascals?
18:02:50 <tswett> Well, there's pounds per square inch.
18:03:59 <lambdabot> gamemanj said 1h 42m 55s ago: goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome,
18:03:59 <lambdabot> gamemanj said 1h 42m 5s ago: temperature 2. Two can play that game!
18:04:35 <tswett> So, let's see if my neural net has plateaued.
18:04:41 <tswett> "Plateaued", what a nice word.
18:05:59 <tswett> It's like that word for a thing that is similar to a queue, but isn't a queue.
18:07:49 <zzo38> My design of thinking is that although esolangs page for muxcomp says memory locations, my design uses registers, and the muxcomp operations only exist in microcode so the instruction size does not have to match the memory size. Other parts of the same microcode VLIW instruction would include the external memory I/O part, branch targets based on condition, autoincrement, and addition/subtraction arithmetic including carry.
18:08:16 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Are there any words with more than 4 consecutive vowels?
18:08:30 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: well, there's "queueing".
18:08:40 <tswett> As for a word *ending* with more than 4 consecutive vowels, I'm not aware of any.
18:08:59 <zzo38> Some registers can be special registers, too.
18:09:43 <tswett> Lemme do a little search, here.
18:09:57 <gamemanj> don't mind me just also running a search through /usr/share/dict/*
18:10:53 <gamemanj> grep -i "[aeiou][aeiou][aeiou][aeiou][aeiou]" /usr/share/dict/*
18:11:03 <gamemanj> ...why do I have a french dictionary
18:11:18 <tswett> You mean grep -E '[aeiou]{3}' /usr/share/dict/*?
18:12:08 <tswett> Mine doesn't have any words with 5 or more.
18:12:23 <gamemanj> "queueing" seems to be the one with the longest run
18:12:46 <tswett> But it has a few words ending with four vowels.
18:13:07 <gamemanj> If you're Italian, you're in luck!
18:13:18 <tswett> Onomatopoeia, pharmacopoeia, queue, sequoia.
18:14:09 <gamemanj> In which case, I have some good news for you
18:14:36 <gamemanj> it's in the italian dictionary. now to see what it means...
18:14:46 <zzo38> Someone suggest to me that the MIDI variant used in my computer design could be called IMIDI instead of MIDI.
18:15:23 <gamemanj> (this is extra-funny if you /whois'd tswett)
18:15:49 <tswett> [Whois] tswett is tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 (Tanner Swett)
18:16:17 <zzo38> The protocol is MIDI although the physical connection and electrical specification and so on may differ, and the communication is two ways in one cable.
18:16:54 <zzo38> (Also this new one isn't generally used for music, although it can be)
18:18:55 <zzo38> I am not sure what IMIDI even stands for, but may someone can make up what the letters abbreviate.
18:22:24 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... Are people on IRC who are /only/ on #esoteric infidels?
18:24:14 <zzo38> What do you mean by "infidel"?
18:25:47 <lambdabot> *** "infidel" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
18:25:47 <lambdabot> n 1: a person who does not acknowledge your god [syn: {heathen},
18:26:02 <fizzie> I assume that depends on your god.
18:26:49 <fizzie> For example, if you're the only person who knows of them, everyone else is almost by definition one, including people on IRC only on #esoteric, assuming you're not one of them.
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18:29:12 <zzo38> It still does not explain much, it seem. What are your religious views anyways? Perhaps it can answer the question.
18:29:56 <zzo38> Are you the only person who knows of them? Prove it!
18:30:30 <Moon_> once the logs are long enough, ima feed em through a program for fun
18:30:41 <zzo38> OK, what program is that?
18:32:10 <Moon_> This little bit of feed here is not enough for eligible messages
18:33:08 <Moon_> this is what i gave for that: http://pastebin.com/8penHaqt
18:34:16 <hppavilion[1]> "censor", in ancient rome, described "The guy who maintains the census"
18:34:33 <Moon_> yea, the program is intresting
18:34:45 <hppavilion[1]> Which is where the modern meaning of c***** comes from
18:35:02 <Moon_> if i find something stupidly funny, i might show you all if you wish
18:35:26 <Moon_> Travestion[1]> ...huh
18:36:17 <fizzie> How long would "long enough" be?
18:36:39 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: My religious views are from the Church of the Walrus GOd
18:36:50 <Moon_> maybe a hour of logs during a bit busy times
18:37:00 <fizzie> There's a lot more than that available already.
18:37:04 <hppavilion[1]> I guess we stand for the conservation of angular momentum?
18:37:14 <tswett> I think it stands for the Grand Walrus Party.
18:37:19 <Moon_> ill take from the tunes logs
18:38:04 <zzo38> hppavilion[1]: OK, and are you infidel?
18:38:32 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Not sure, we haven't established what constitutes an infidel on #esoteric. That's what I was asking earlier.
18:38:35 <b_jonas> is it going to be reprinted in this near future reprint set, whatever it's called?
18:38:40 <b_jonas> eternal masters or something
18:39:00 <tswett> Oh, that's easy. An infidel is someone who does not worship fungot.
18:39:00 <fungot> tswett: they say that building a dungeon is a highly intelligent and completely evil creature. unlike the older race of the forest-day about him when he attacked cyrus in 549, after many minutes of climbing up the food into his house. one was his skilled handling of the numerous and colorfully mutilated divinities of that time, i will see in heaven is just a snake, to have an open ear, a lion-headed goddess.
18:39:07 <hppavilion[1]> I was asking whether someone who /only/ uses #esoteric on IRC is an infidel because they aren't using enough of IRC
18:39:12 <Moon_> '' peoplementated. ''
18:39:24 <zzo38> I wouldn't expect that makes you infidel?
18:39:29 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
18:39:46 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
18:39:53 <Moon_> oh, b_jonas, can you turn on termbot?
18:40:05 <b_jonas> Wastelands and Sinkhole too
18:40:13 <hppavilion[1]> I was hoping it would be something like the translations of the documents governing the Nazi secret police
18:40:33 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
18:40:37 <fungot> Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
18:41:24 <Moon_> ok, thx, hes not in the #termbot channel yet
18:41:33 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: What is your opinion on the capitalization of "Into" in "StAr tReK: iNtO DaRkNeSs"?
18:41:33 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: the merger was a good idea to keep this article written as if thet name change were accomplished fact; yes, us curriculum materials have been printed to that effect.
18:42:10 <hppavilion[1]> I assume "us" is "United States", not "this group of people that I am in"
18:42:11 <tswett> They really should have compromised on "Star Trek Into Darkness".
18:42:46 <tswett> Well, one side wanted "Star Trek into Darkness" and the other side wanted "Star Trek: Into Darkness".
18:42:52 <b_jonas> Moon_: strange, according to my irc connection, it is and you aren't
18:43:09 <Moon_> oh i made a typ in the name
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18:43:56 <tswett> Now, lemme see. I think a neural net with 50,000 parameters just can't do a very good job of learning English vocabulary.
18:44:27 <Moon_> here, almost 100 kb of travestificator madness: http://pastebin.com/igX83siC
18:44:41 <gamemanj> ... Ok, look, here's how you spell it: サAタ trek: トニ darkness. There. No capitalization, and all the potential problematic words have been messed with (and badly by someone who doesn't know what they're doing - i.e. me -, too)
18:45:00 <gamemanj> (That unicode chart's been really useful recently...)
18:45:04 <hppavilion[1]> "Occasionally the metre per hour is used for slow-moving objects like snails." --wikipedia
18:45:21 <HackEgo> [U+30B5 KATAKANA LETTER SA] [U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A] [U+30BF KATAKANA LETTER TA]
18:45:26 <HackEgo> [U+30C8 KATAKANA LETTER TO] [U+30CB KATAKANA LETTER NI]
18:45:33 <hppavilion[1]> Why do we do hourly wages? Why not give wages by the fortsecond?
18:45:49 <tswett> Shillings per fortsecond.
18:46:04 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: because then it would probably add up to less than an integer value and then they could pay you nothing
18:46:29 <gamemanj> and then they could call it a "rounding error"
18:46:47 <gamemanj> Well, probably not legally, but still
18:47:05 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Also, if you're charged minimum wage by the hour, and an hour is 3,600 seconds, and a fortsecond is 14 seconds...
18:47:52 <tswett> According to Wikipedia, an adult knows roughly 15,000 words.
18:48:05 <tswett> So how many parameters should I have? Hmm.
18:48:32 <tswett> I already have about 40,000, and they're not doing too hot.
18:49:03 <tswett> Lemme try 200,000 parameters.
18:49:05 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: we already have wages or salaries given per hour, day, week, month, and year; and the net and gross version of each of these and in all kinds of monetary units with sometimes the exponent omitted. it can be pretty confusing already when someone just gives their salary as a number like “I earn 140”.
18:49:08 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: There. 3 cents/fortsecond gets you a bit better than minimum wage
18:49:19 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: I'd say it can't get any worse if you add fortseconds, but it probably can.
18:50:06 <gamemanj> "From the desk of a rich person: 'I earn £140 million a fortsecond.'"
18:50:57 <hppavilion[1]> I'm just throwing out words and hoping it makes a joke
18:51:13 <gamemanj> For one british pound, you can get 1.46 US Dollars, according to Google's converter.
18:51:21 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: I think 140 million pounds per fortsecond is probably more than the minimum wage in the US
18:51:27 <gamemanj> Thus, presumably the US Dollar is worth less.
18:51:31 <hppavilion[1]> I don't see why England uses pounds as their currency instead of Kilograms
18:51:52 <gamemanj> WE HAVE ICH DIEN ON OUR TWO PENCES!
18:52:15 <gamemanj> no? So apparently you can confuse me but I can't confuse you.
18:52:23 <gamemanj> Anyway, don't mind me, I'm going to get out a 2p coin
18:52:42 <hppavilion[1]> The US also needs a pi dollar bill. But who should be on it?
18:52:51 <gamemanj> but, yeah, you can't get standardized printed on kilograms
18:53:00 <gamemanj> it seems I am omitting words today
18:54:12 <tswett> But there's still a federal minimum wage.
18:54:21 <Moon_> whats a good software for a neura networks?
18:54:44 <Moon_> neural networks, any language :P
18:54:54 <tswett> Moon_: I'm using TensorFlow.
18:54:57 <gamemanj> Moon_: ... to initialize the dataset, you should connect up electrodes to your house cat, then...
18:55:09 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: I recommend Zuccini if you want the purest neural networks
18:55:12 <Moon_> iu am not hurting my housecat
18:55:20 <tswett> Moon_: I mean, do you want to write code, or do you want something that works out of the box?
18:55:37 <Moon_> works out of the box, i am nt good at complex numbers as of now
18:55:37 <tswett> For something that works out of the box, use Karpathy's char-rnn or its successor torch-rnn.
18:56:33 <gamemanj> Moon_: Hurting a cat would be a very bad thing!
18:56:43 <gamemanj> Moon_: (Then again, who said that they would be hurt in the process?)
18:56:53 <hppavilion[1]> The US states with the highest minimum wage are California and Massachusetts at $10/hour, though New York has rather complicated laws that have different minimum wages based on the region, and there's a plan that changes it for the next 5 years
18:57:11 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, and it's also based on the size of the employer
18:57:54 <tswett> Wouldn't it be funny if minimum wage scaled linearly with the size of the employer?
18:58:05 <hppavilion[1]> American Samoa has it awful; minimum wage varies by industry, but it can be as small as $4.19
18:58:19 <tswett> "Each of your employees must be paid at least 0.01% of your company's revenue."
18:58:43 <tswett> Some companies don't have any revenue, so they wouldn't have to pay their employees anything.
18:59:05 <tswett> Of course, this would set a hard limit on the number of employees a company can have.
18:59:17 <tswett> It would be just about impossible to have 10,000 employees.
18:59:39 <tswett> Come to think of it, no, you could have more than 10,000 employees.
18:59:56 <tswett> You'd simply have to pay more in employee compensation than you're earning in revenue.
19:00:15 <hppavilion[1]> the U.S. virgin islands and Puerto Rico have minimum wage at the same as the federal minimum wage ($7.25); the only U.S. territory with a superfederal minimum wage is Guam at $8.25
19:01:02 <hppavilion[1]> The minimum wage of #esoteric is, of course, $-10/nanocentury
19:01:15 <zzo38> I think minimum wage should be zero
19:01:44 <zzo38> You don't need minimum wage.
19:01:51 <tswett> It's the additive inverse of $n.
19:02:35 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: What about for workers who have no sense of money?
19:03:16 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: And if no minimum wage is needed, companies can just collectively offer less money than their labor is worth. Of course, I suppose products will start to be worth less, but that still leads to rapid deflation
19:04:00 <tswett> Are you suggesting that all the companies in the US would collaborate to lower wages?
19:04:14 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Yes, because it'd be better for them overall
19:04:46 <tswett> Surely there would be a lot of defectors, though. Companies which decide to offer the usual wages instead, because then they'll get more and better employees.
19:05:12 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Perhaps, but it'd still probably make the economy unstable
19:06:29 <tswett> Dang, that's below the absolute poverty line.
19:08:10 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: That's, like, below the double poverty line
19:08:25 <tswett> The double poverty line?
19:08:34 <zzo38> I think if an employer does not consider my work as much as minimum wage and therefore want to pay less and if I would want to accept such a job, that it should not be illegal to do so.
19:08:45 <tswett> So, this new neural net isn't good at Shakespeare yet.
19:08:47 <tswett> s ernitmhI d' agpgiTh.. hr�eseidhoce,�rrIrlt;esswyo lp ba lcy,nsl� ee hhhaiigmn to wo lt,ohAhpwrUtnh o lmh iwpIrsOfdI eotihus wh
19:09:12 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: At which the average person living below the poverty line has it as well as the average person living above the poverty line, relative to the average person below the double poverty line
19:09:49 <Moon_> at least it has a vague idea about the word 'to'
19:10:18 <hppavilion[1]> So if the average non-povertous person makes 100 units per planck time, and the average povertous person makes 20 units per planck time, then the average double-povertous person makes 4 units per planck time
19:11:05 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: so, like, consider the ratio between the living standards of the average person above the line and the average person below the line?
19:11:53 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: And the average person above the double anti-poverty line, in the previous scenario, makes 500 units per planck time
19:12:34 <hppavilion[1]> (maybe it should just be called the anti-poverty line, but that makes it less clear)
19:15:15 <\oren\> WHY IS THERE AN FN-LK function?!?!?!?!?
19:15:56 <b_jonas> \oren\: for numpad, I think
19:16:09 <b_jonas> \oren\: or maybe for the function keys
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19:16:36 <\oren\> b_jonas: My laptop has a full 100 key keyboeard
19:17:10 <\oren\> the fn key only exists to allow volume up volume down etc
19:17:15 <int-e> \oren\: for people who miss the fn key because they're used to it from other vendors?
19:18:12 <\oren\> Well it has a fn, but why is there an fn lock?
19:23:44 <int-e> for people who want to user thr 789uiojkl numpad?
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19:24:29 <int-e> Of course, now there's no excuse for not also including a discordian date key, and one for making coffee.
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19:25:29 <\oren\> int-e: but my laptop has an actual numpad!!!!
19:25:33 <gamemanj> (TODO: Implement these for real) Actually the "make coffee" key is Fn-F1 (usually play-pause), and the "What was the last #ddate twist by @tasty" key is Fn-F2.
19:26:13 <int-e> \oren\: but who's still using that ;-)
19:26:52 <b_jonas> gamemanj: which button is discordian date, and which button controls the amount of sugar in the coffee?
19:27:19 <int-e> b_jonas: it depends on the phase of the moon.
19:27:22 <gamemanj> b_jonas: @tasty posts a #ddate twist every day, so Fn-F2 works fine, and the amount of sugar is always right.
19:29:46 <gamemanj> don't mind me just playing with zenity and twisterd...
19:31:16 <gamemanj> this seems to be "reliable enough": twisterd getposts 32 "[{\"username\":\"tasty\"}]" | grep -m 1 ddate
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19:39:36 <gamemanj> YOLD_RAW=`twisterd getposts 32 "[{\"username\":\"tasty\"}]" | grep -m 1 ddate`
19:39:36 <gamemanj> YOLD_FIXED=`echo "$YOLD_RAW" | tail -c +22 | head -c -3`
19:41:42 <gamemanj> There. Now I just need to implement a way of controlling a coffee machine...
20:05:22 <fizzie> Remember to follow the standards when doing that.
20:05:36 <fizzie> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt
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20:15:37 <gamemanj> fizzie: Trouble is, the particular coffee machine I have is closer to...
20:16:36 <gamemanj> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/tossercp.txt
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20:17:40 <gamemanj> (For some reason, my random scribblings have been rather useful today.)
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21:10:03 <zzo38> Yes maybe some functions should be user-defined functions. You probably could reprogram the play/pause key in your operating system though, to execute a program to control a coffee maker and display a Discordian date, if you prefer to do that
21:12:52 <gamemanj> Well, the coffee maker thing isn't practical, but I now have Fn-F1 set to display the latest twist from @tasty containing "#ddate". So there's that.
21:12:53 <shachaf> zzo38: Did you see my message about Scribe?
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21:14:21 <zzo38> Yes. Is there a free implementation of Scribe?
21:16:28 <HackEgo> I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
21:17:16 <HackEgo> noooooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times.
21:17:40 <shachaf> `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom
21:17:52 <HackEgo> wisdom/nooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeesh \ wisdom/pumping lemma \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/vim \ wisdom/
21:18:02 <HackEgo> WWWWWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to.
21:18:09 <HackEgo> WWWWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to.
21:18:23 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/([^w\W])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
21:18:46 <shachaf> `run sed -i s/w/wW/ bin/rnooodl
21:19:24 <HackEgo> WWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to.
21:19:27 <shachaf> `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom | sed 's#wisdom/##'
21:19:29 <HackEgo> nooodle \ xkcq \ hagb4rd \ yeeeeeeeesh \ yeeeeeeeeeesh \ ssstosis \ www \ yeeeeeeeeesh \ ioccclist \ llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ yeeeeeesh \ pumping lemma \ nooodl \ code \ phantom___hoover \ vim \ shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj \ hat \ yeeeeesh \ welcome.bork \ pho \ yeeeeeeesh \ yeeeesh
21:19:34 <HackEgo> vim equals to approximately ccxxxviin.
21:19:59 <HackEgo> Phở is a Vietnamese soup invented by nooodl to stress-test implementations of Unicode combining characters.
21:20:38 <HackEgo> ssssssssstosis is a disease causing false identities
21:20:58 <HackEgo> "xkcq" is worth 8 more points than "xkcd" in Scrabble, or a whopping 30 more if both are played optimally on a triple word score. Nyahhhhhhhhh.
21:21:06 <HackEgo> hagb4rd is one spacey fellow. Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace.
21:21:50 <shachaf> `` echo spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
21:21:52 <HackEgo> spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
21:41:48 <boily> Shachaf the Character Witch. Shacharactch.
21:43:19 <shachaf> `` grep -P '(.)\1\1' share/dict-words
21:48:31 <tswett> `` echo Fannee Doolee's noodle balloons
21:48:33 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
21:48:45 <tswett> `` echo Fannee Doolee\'s noodle balloons
21:48:46 <HackEgo> Fannee Doolee's noodle balloons
21:49:25 <HackEgo> cat: bin/echo: No such file or directory
21:49:41 <HackEgo> grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
21:49:42 <tswett> `` echo bbbbb bbbbb bbbbb
21:49:44 <HackEgo> bbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbb bbbbbbbb
21:49:49 <b_jonas> ``` grep -s silent wisdom/*
21:49:51 <HackEgo> Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
21:49:56 <tswett> `` echo b bb bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbbb bbbbbbb
21:49:57 <HackEgo> b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbb
21:50:07 <tswett> `echo b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb
21:50:09 <HackEgo> b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb
21:50:18 <b_jonas> ``` grep -si "[pc]hth" wisdom/*
21:50:20 <HackEgo> wisdom/chthonic:Chthonic lithping can be vethy dithturbing to lithten to. \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
21:50:22 <tswett> `` echo b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb
21:50:23 <HackEgo> b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbbbbbb bbbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbb bbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbb
21:50:45 <tswett> `` echo "Fannneee Doooleee's nooodle balllooons"
21:50:46 <HackEgo> Fannnneeee Doooooooleee's nooooodle balllloooons
21:52:54 <HackEgo> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0
21:52:58 <b_jonas> `learn Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, gnu, gnat; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:53:02 <HackEgo> Learned 'silent': Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome,
21:53:46 <HackEgo> patching file wisdom/#esoteric
21:53:47 <HackEgo> Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, gnu, gnat; pneumat
21:55:48 <b_jonas> `learn Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:55:50 <HackEgo> Relearned 'silent': Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:55:54 <HackEgo> Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
22:10:15 <myname> how is wrong considered to be pronounced if something is silent g
22:10:46 <Taneb> ...I pronounce both initial consononants in chthonic
22:11:10 <myname> as a german, the silent p always gets me
22:11:31 <b_jonas> the list includes stuff that some crazy English speakers pronounce without the initial consonants, which I don't really understand and often can't emulate
22:11:31 <myname> there is no such thing as a silent p in germany, even though these words exist
22:12:18 <b_jonas> I do omit the k from the kn* words, even "know" (because I pronounce it with a different vowel from "now"), but the wr* words are horrible, a lot of them are homonyms.
22:12:29 <Taneb> kn words sound different in my head to n words
22:12:35 <b_jonas> As in, "right, rite, wright, write" are all pronounced the same
22:12:36 <Taneb> But I think I pronounce them the same?
22:12:55 <b_jonas> well, even if "know" is fine, "knight" versus "night" can still be a problem of course
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22:13:12 <b_jonas> But I think the wr* words are worse
22:13:22 <int-e> b_jonas: it's a knightmare
22:13:35 <Taneb> b_jonas, I'm sure you're write
22:13:35 <myname> english is such a horrible language
22:13:58 <int-e> chinese is supposedly worse
22:14:22 <myname> the korean alphabet looks neat
22:14:52 <zzo38> English is a stupid language
22:14:55 <Taneb> I'm trying to learn Italian
22:15:15 <b_jonas> Taneb: I also hate the word "lead"
22:15:24 <b_jonas> but there's no consonant cluster involved there
22:15:34 <Taneb> b_jonas, I'll lead you to a lead-lined chamber where you will be safe
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22:15:50 <Taneb> You can live there, as long as you like, there'll even be live music!
22:16:08 <b_jonas> there's like three different words called "lead", plus two words called "led", with two pronounciations mixed up in a crazy way
22:16:55 <int-e> oh there's the lead in a criminal case
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22:17:01 <Taneb> b_jonas, I read once that there are over 60 definitions of "set"
22:17:58 <int-e> so, one verb with corresponding noun and adjective, and the metal.
22:19:51 <Taneb> int-e, there's apparently also a verb corresponding to the known
22:20:02 <int-e> do you distinguish a set of chess pieces from the mathematical sets?
22:20:45 <int-e> at least it's nice to have a set set of meanings
22:20:47 <Taneb> I believe this was the definitions according to OED
22:23:14 <b_jonas> Then there's these crazy word pairs nobody can distinguish, so they will probably merge in a few decades: depracate - depreciate, continuous - contiguous, homogenous - homogeneous
22:23:48 <int-e> the wiki layout on https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot is so horrible... I keep looking for the page history in the box of tools on the right.
22:25:24 <zzo38> On MediaWiki you can use accesskey "h" for history mainly, I think, so if it is MediaWiki then try that.
22:25:47 <zzo38> (I use custom CSS on MediaWiki sites to hide all of the menus, so the keyboard commands are the only way to access such things anyways)
22:28:37 <b_jonas> int-e: or you can just type url paths directly, like adding &action=history or going to /wiki/Special:SpecialPages ; that usually works even on the worst skinned mediawikis, like wikia
22:29:04 <int-e> ... not looking for workarounds
22:29:43 <b_jonas> Those pairs are, I think, from different etimologies. Then there's demon - daemon - daimon which is from the same etimology and I never really understood how they're distinguished.
22:30:01 <b_jonas> or maybe only two of those are from the same etimology, the third isn't?
22:31:40 <int-e> (the link is there, after all... just not where I'm looking)
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23:29:44 <fizzie> The noun set has 13 senses (first 7 from tagged texts)
23:29:47 <fizzie> The verb set has 25 senses (first 14 from tagged texts)
23:29:49 <fizzie> The adj set has 7 senses (first 4 from tagged texts)
23:30:03 <fizzie> In WordNet. Of course OED goes for a lot more obscure meanings.
23:30:54 <fizzie> (As for lead, 17 senses for the noun and 14 for the verb in WordNet.)
23:32:15 <fizzie> Many related, of course.
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23:33:39 <fizzie> Aw, I just realized I can't use the university library's OED subscription much longer.
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