00:02:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:06:38 `le/rn mason jar/A Mason jar is a jar made by someone named Mason. 00:06:50 Learned «mason jar» 00:07:19 Can I speak to Mason, then? This jar is broken. 00:07:33 whoily! 00:10:08 whell whell whellœrjan! 00:10:57 boily: we seem to meet only about every 3 days 00:11:15 `learn Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html 00:11:19 Learned 'manager': Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html 00:11:32 `? hacker 00:11:34 hacker? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:12:04 oerjan: I was exceptionaly busy lately hthly 00:12:10 `le/rn hacker/Jim Hacker is a former British prime minister. 00:12:13 Learned «hacker» 00:13:29 I have designed a 134-bit VLIW microcode. 00:13:53 also wtf yafgc (don't read today's if you're not caught up and hate spoilers) 00:18:59 `? yafgc 00:19:00 yafgc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:19:11 Yet Another Fungot Got Cherries? 00:19:22 Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic 00:19:35 oic. tdh. 00:19:36 It is also a kind of OISC VLIW 00:20:33 boily: the current arc is extremely dark, and that's for a comic whose original main characters are _evil_ d&d monsters... 00:21:04 (it's since grown a large number of good characters as well) 00:21:32 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: *yawns*). 00:22:01 oh. can't read it. clashing with my vegan aura. 00:22:08 wat. 00:22:18 ^^ 00:22:23 it's also occasionally nsfw, but it's sunday so... 00:24:27 today's it's 10th anniversary btw and the author decided to make that coincide with a very major event. 00:26:03 boily: i think your vegan aura chickened out years ago, anyway. 00:26:41 it's just an aura, nothing substantial. 00:26:46 OKAY 00:27:01 I accidentaly made vegan food for supper >_>'... 00:27:09 like a carnivore aura but even lighter? 00:27:38 oerjan: i assume that the itymology of "it's" is "its" 00:27:46 a vegan aura doesn't even cast a ghostly shadow. 00:27:47 darn 00:28:06 shachaf: i blame the "today's" affecting my neurons 00:30:56 `? itymology 00:30:59 Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement. 00:31:09 OKAY 00:31:18 -!- adu has joined. 00:33:56 helloily 00:34:14 :33 < i use my shipping wall to track pairs of people who are items 00:34:21 which makes me an itemologist, of course 00:35:53 quinthellopia. 00:36:04 how do 00:36:48 chillaxing while the AC does its thing. 00:37:33 (well, it will have done its thing in an hour or two. just started it; it's become disturbingly humid.) 00:37:37 @metar CYUL 00:37:38 CYUL 292300Z 16011KT 15SM FEW080 SCT120 OVC250 26/19 A2993 RMK AC1AC2CI5 SLP136 DENSITY ALT 1400FT 00:37:41 hi all 00:37:46 hidu! 00:38:00 boily: do I know you? 00:38:11 I don't think so. 00:38:12 ive been coerced into someone elses family gathering 00:38:32 your family? someone else's family? will you survive? 00:38:37 Was it an unsafe coerce? 00:39:02 yes 00:39:02 boily: My name is Andrew, but you may call me adu, you may not call me abu, if you do I will ignore you for all of time 00:40:00 Why about your father? 00:40:14 May I call your father abu adu? 00:40:30 quintopia's condition sounds scary. 00:40:47 shachaf: "Why about" is not english, what is your native language? 00:40:56 I meant "What about". 00:41:09 That was only my fingers being affected by oerjan's neurons. 00:41:14 "why about" makes perfect sense hth. 00:41:23 @time adu 00:41:24 Local time for adu is 2016-05-29 19:42:08 -0400 00:41:35 oh, an east coaster! 00:41:46 what about east coasters? 00:41:54 East Coast Best Coast :D 00:42:08 nah, California is where it's at ;) 00:42:13 pfeuh :P 00:42:27 I think you meant "psfph" 00:42:39 boily: Not to be confused with , I suppose. 00:42:57 no, indeed not. 00:43:02 shachaf: what coast is that? 00:43:05 adu: that was a French «pfeuh». 00:43:46 my timezone is EST, but my heart is in PST 00:43:57 adu: Easter coast. 00:44:04 boily: come extract me 00:44:08 Almost an east coaster. 00:44:24 shachaf: is that even *more* east than the east coast? 00:44:59 dd if=quintopia.iso of=/dev/KATL bs=4M conv=noerror 00:45:00 -!- shikhin has changed nick to sertie. 00:45:04 boily: http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2013/09/coast-coaster-set-east-2-460x460.jpg hth 00:45:23 he he he :D 00:45:32 -!- hydraz has changed nick to surtie. 00:45:44 boily: Bad news, Canada isn't part of the east coast. 00:45:47 quintopia: wait. you aren't KATLing anymore. 00:45:47 -!- sertie has changed nick to shikhin. 00:45:53 -!- shikhin has changed nick to sertie. 00:46:01 boily: did you say Klingon? 00:46:03 shachaf: we're appröximatively eastcoastal. 00:46:18 adu: nope. I haven't learned Klingon yet. 00:46:40 boily: good, neither have I, I spent too much time learning Haskell 00:47:09 boily: nope 00:47:18 come to mountain time 00:48:28 tlhask hol 00:50:27 any other Haskell fans here? 00:51:18 nah, we hate haskell by and large 00:51:34 any Rust fans in here? 00:51:40 Phantom_Hoover is confused, he thinks haskell is a brainfuck derivative 00:51:45 * oerjan pokes Sgeo 00:52:03 Hi oerjan hi adu 00:52:07 * Sgeo is a Rust fan 00:52:13 Sgeo: cool 00:52:36 Made several libraries for Rust including take_mut 00:52:43 nice 00:52:44 > var "No Haskellers here" 00:52:46 No Haskellers here 00:53:03 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * DJMcMayhem * New user account 00:53:11 I've done very little in Rust, mainly because I have no time, but what I have done has shown me it's an incredibly productive language 00:53:33 adu: you should try Java. 00:53:37 Go is also productive, but it's too easy to make crap in it 00:53:56 Java is for crappy people to make crappy software, no thanks 00:54:28 * Sgeo goes *ahem* with the generic Go criticism that Go has no generics 00:54:45 Sgeo: I never said that 00:54:50 python is p okay 00:54:51 I suspect that I'd rather write Java than Go. 00:55:20 shachaf, some Java libraries can be painful in ways the language doesn't force 00:55:27 Sgeo: unless you're talking about my blog: http://straymindcough.blogspot.com/2011/01/golang-proposals.html 00:55:48 Sgeo: Yes, the average Java culture is surely worse than the Java language. 00:55:51 I vaguely recall one standard lib api returning null instead of an empty list for something 00:56:06 adu: btw shachaf and Taneb wrote about half of lens, i think. 00:56:14 >_> 00:56:15 lens 00:56:26 oerjan: do you mean what I think you mean? 00:56:27 also 00:56:31 oerjan! hi 00:56:32 adu: probably. 00:57:03 as in every function is attached to it's own undo function? 00:57:09 (also above statement _may_ be wildly exaggerated. i'm just not sure of it.) 00:57:17 adu: wait, you know haskell but not lens? 00:57:32 oerjan: apparently 00:57:38 shocking 00:57:46 shachaf: hey i was writing that 00:58:12 oerjan: maybe you'd know more if you joined #haskell-lens hth 00:58:21 what's haskell-lens? 00:59:08 [wiki] [[Esoteric programming language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47084&oldid=44813 * DJMcMayhem * (+374) Added description of "Golfing languages" 00:59:48 shachaf: yes but then my brain would get regularly overloaded tdnh 01:00:19 adu: it's the channel for the real haskell experts hth 01:00:32 oerjan: itym twnh hth hand 01:00:54 twnh -- owi? 01:01:03 shachaf: are you trying to make a tense moment? 01:01:11 I think I stopped using Haskell around 2010, possibly because I read a paper by Oleg detailing how to construct a Hashtable purely on the type level, without using any memory, and my brain exploded 01:01:39 adu: ah. a lot has happened since then. 01:02:30 nowadays you probably don't even need to be Oleg to do that. 01:02:36 lol 01:03:23 oerjan isn't letting on how he uses all sorts of fancy type system extensions to exploit GHC bugs as a hobby 01:03:42 shachaf: that was _last_ winter, sheesh. 01:03:44 I just want solid software 01:04:02 I think Rust is better at delivering it than Haskell 01:04:03 i have hardly touched haskell since october, when my computer crashed. 01:04:08 -!- surtie has changed nick to hydraz. 01:04:13 oerjan: why did it crash? 01:04:15 oerjan: Are those related? 01:04:19 Do you need a computer? 01:04:32 oerjan: I can send you a linux netbook 01:04:33 shachaf: yes. i never installed ghc on the new hard disk. 01:04:49 oerjan: But you can just Haskell it up on the computer you use for IRC. 01:05:19 shachaf: i'm not sure they would appreciate me installing ghc as a user... 01:05:25 Who? 01:05:27 otoh they might not even notice. 01:05:34 You can install GHC in your home directory, no problem. 01:05:37 shachaf: the admins on the machine i irc from... 01:05:44 -!- sertie has changed nick to hcddwch. 01:07:19 adu: hard disk sector error, somewhere in the middle of the OS. 01:07:27 -!- Melvar` has joined. 01:07:48 i could boot it, and use it, but i couldn't leave it alone for 10 minutes without it rebooting. 01:08:07 oerjan: You could install GHC 8 now. 01:08:14 And provide the rest of us with a trip report. 01:08:27 shachaf: i know. maybe when i get that far in /r/haskell. 01:09:20 why would you read reddit, though 01:09:23 installing ghc 8.0.1 is easy 01:09:24 it's a scow website 01:09:26 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:09:36 int-e: Like a monoid? 01:09:45 I've built lambdabot with it (patching a few packages on the way), but not dared to test it. 01:09:55 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:10:25 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 01:10:40 see also https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/issues/145 01:10:57 you should upgrade lambdabot to ghc 8 so i can try it out twh 01:11:25 working on it... but I need sleep 01:11:36 so next weekend... hopefully 01:11:52 * oerjan wishes github had responsive web pages 01:13:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:13:21 oerjan: What pages do you wish were responsive? 01:14:21 shachaf: like the one int-e linked, when i zoom it doesn't reflow 01:14:52 you have to upgrade your eyes to use github 01:15:00 AAAAAAAAAA 01:15:10 * shachaf wishes there was something as good as Google Code Search 01:15:35 shachaf: i'm pretty sure trying to use github was what _really_ crashed my computer. 01:16:08 bad crashing auras. 01:17:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:22:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:22:39 @tell b_jonas hehe, even John Baez reports about the small Turing machines stuff in his blog: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/ <-- he already wrote about it in his _other_ blog 01:22:39 Consider it noted. 01:23:59 hmm, new small TM stuff? 01:25:04 hm i think it's just what i already saw 01:25:28 okay, Stefan O'Rear delivered on his promise that he could improve the bounds 01:25:40 maybe it wasn't linked here but https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/05/21/the-busy-beaver-game/ 01:25:57 two weeks ago, but I had not seen it anyway. 01:26:24 i guess i found it from aaronson's blog at it wasn't mentioned directly here 01:26:29 *and 01:27:44 hm he has a new blog post about very long proofs 01:29:16 https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/05/28/very-long-proofs/ 01:29:39 * oerjan ponders whether to bite the bullet and subscribe to the rss 01:30:32 what do you use to track rss feeds these days? 01:30:40 oerjan: did you hear ddarius has one of these post websites too now 01:30:52 Phantom_Hoover: i just use IE? 01:31:03 shachaf: er, wat 01:31:19 I found that fully open source FPGA toolchain does exist, for use with iCE40 FPGAs. I don't know if this toolchain is compatible with non-x86 computers, but I expect it could probably be ported if you want to. 01:31:20 a website with posts 01:31:41 * oerjan vaguely recalls the nick ddarius but not why he should be particularly interested. 01:32:09 ok 01:32:37 in fact, i don't recall anything about the nick other than _maybe_ a vague haskell vibe. 01:33:16 this person http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/user/1510 01:33:53 OKAY 01:42:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:55:14 -!- hcddwch has changed nick to shikhin. 01:56:20 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FRIDAY CHICKEN). 02:18:03 Apparently VAX microcode is 188-bits VLIW, which is what User:Ian wrote at least 02:19:00 Let's see, how many parameters does my neural net have, again? It's... 02:19:48 > let s = 144 in (256+1)*s + 6*(s+1)*s + (s+1)*256 02:19:50 199408 02:20:14 It would be neat if it managed to memorize this tinyshakespeare file. 02:20:42 I'm pretty sure that's impossible. 02:22:05 tinyshakespeare has about 1.1 million characters. English text tends to have an entropy of roughly approximately 1 bit per character. That means this file has about a million bits of entropy. 02:23:10 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:37:52 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:37:55 `? infidel 02:38:22 infidel? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:38:38 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 02:39:21 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:41:26 `learn An infidel is someone who doesn't support the great former leader. Socialismo o muerte! 02:41:43 Learned 'infidel': An infidel is someone who doesn't support the great former leader. Socialismo o muerte! 02:46:14 User:Ian also wrote that SHARC has hardware COME FROM; how does that work? 03:11:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:11:54 whoa, it's undecidable whether two finite state transducers are equivalent? 03:13:28 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 03:14:01 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:14:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:15:22 shachaf: eel 03:15:26 *eek 03:15:40 `? hovercraft 03:15:47 a-é-ro-g-liss-e-ur. If you mention eels, you'll get smacked with one of them in a most unappropriate manner. 03:17:28 oerjan: is hovercraft the dual of minecraft 03:17:40 MAYBE 03:18:11 unless that's yourscraft 03:23:28 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 03:24:03 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:34:38 -!- jaboja has joined. 03:38:10 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:39:15 `quote 03:39:15 `quote 03:39:16 `quote 03:39:17 `quote 03:39:17 `quote 03:39:26 514) When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a monad. 03:39:37 705) you tell us you're making a lisp interpreter, but you don't mention its polterchrist is c++ templates? isn't that like telling us you're taking a bath and not mentioning you're bathing in a WORLD FULL OF SNAKES 03:39:38 8) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence 03:39:39 919) DIE oh hey elliott 03:39:40 602) Yeah, statistics with 2 data points is science. Statistics with one data point is crap. You measure a third point if you need an error estimate. 03:40:03 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:40:08 i'm too biased to take action here 03:42:07 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:44:05 I wonder how that Madelon quote got there. 03:49:49 o hai 04:02:25 tswett: i think way back, HackEgo used to be on another channel and some of the oldest quotes have lingered. 04:24:49 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: thunderstorm). 04:26:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:29:50 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 04:31:57 Do you understand what I wrote about the microcodes of my new kind of computer design by now? 04:33:28 No. I don't think I even read it. 04:33:36 BURN 04:33:41 What? 04:33:55 idk it sounded like a burn 04:34:07 What's a burn? 04:34:08 An insult? 04:34:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:34:32 Then read and see what it says. I don't know all of the what it work so hopefully other people can help it too 04:34:59 zzo38: Is this about VAX microcode? 04:35:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn 04:35:50 No, I mean my own design 04:58:49 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 05:11:13 -!- Melvar has joined. 05:16:20 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: [). 05:20:53 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 05:24:08 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 06:27:04 @let newtype A = A deriving Typeable 06:27:04 Parse failed: newtype declaration constructor must have exactly one parameter. 06:27:20 @let newtype A = A Int deriving Typeable 06:27:23 Defined. 06:27:24 hmph 06:27:39 * oerjan was hoping for a warning 06:29:18 What warning? 06:29:26 Oh, that it's automatic? 06:29:40 yeah 06:30:32 shachaf: there's a set of new pragmas that are affecting deriving, and i'm wondering if they've considered Typeable. 06:31:04 oerjan: that seems like an awfully pragmatic thing for you to worry about hth 06:32:04 well i don't want them to open up the Typeable hole again... 06:32:35 newtype A = A Int deriving {-# GND #-} Typeable would do that if it worked. 06:34:15 * oerjan submits a comment 06:34:15 isn't it irritating how bug 10000 was marked as a duplicate 06:34:28 https://phabricator.haskell.org/D2280 btw 06:34:33 Before I reported it no one was thinking of it as a security issue. 06:34:51 shachaf: shocking 06:36:17 `? shocking 06:36:21 shocking? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 06:36:49 hm what about Data? i don't know enough about that to know if that could be dangerous. oh well. 06:37:00 (they seem to have considered Generic.) 06:38:00 why does this wikipedia entry not have an english version twh https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7_(%D7%90%D7%99%D7%91%D7%A8) 06:39:10 thank god it has a norwegian one 06:40:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:41:09 did you know that the norwegian wikipedia doesn't support the en: prefix :( 06:41:35 What's the en: prefix? 06:42:04 it sends you to the english wikipedia 06:42:12 from the search box 06:42:35 Does anything support that? 06:43:00 Oh, English wikipedia support no: 06:43:02 supports 06:43:16 Today I have to be mildly self-conscious about mistyping anything. 06:43:20 Thanks to adu. 06:43:22 Thanks, adu. 06:43:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:43:51 oerjan: Wait, it works for me. 06:43:58 Hm... why do we use the metre-kilogram-second? I'd much prefer if we had some kilogram-equivalent unit that is a base unit 06:44:03 https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=en:No 06:44:53 Units are meant for people to use and only incidentally for physicists to execute. 06:45:10 shachaf: it doesn't work in the search box for me 06:45:32 oerjan: Hmm, it works in the search box for me. 06:46:01 sheesh 06:46:08 `? sheesh 06:46:10 sheesh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 06:46:49 `? sheeesh 06:46:52 sheeesh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 06:46:52 shachaf: anyway, it looks like the english "leg" is ambiguous between meaning that or the whole leg 06:47:19 and the article for "human leg" connects to other wikipedia's latter meaning 06:47:29 *-' 06:47:33 er 06:47:34 *+' 06:47:55 oerjan: well, the hebrew word is "shok" hth 06:48:05 hppavilion[1]: hysterical raisins hth 06:49:21 What's the "Planck Value"? The minimum amount of moneyness? :P 06:49:36 and the norwegian is "legg". 06:49:42 What is moneyness? 06:49:46 Are you pricing derivatives? 06:49:51 Don't tell \oren\. 06:49:55 shachaf: Sure 06:50:04 shachaf: Can I tell /oren/ though? 06:50:19 Look. 06:50:28 * hppavilion[1] looks 06:50:29 Don't destroy the US economy. 06:50:35 Well... 06:50:56 shachaf: How would I destroy the US economy? 06:50:58 Maybe it should be destroyed. 06:51:04 shachaf: Too late. 06:51:07 With complicated derivatives, I hear. 06:51:19 Hodgell would probably be in favor of destroying it. 06:51:24 I'm setting the Planck Value at the price of one Planck Energy's worth of electricity. There. 06:51:51 shachaf: this time, use complex integrals hth 06:51:59 The Planck Minimum Wage is 1 Planck Value per Planck Time 06:52:21 hppavilion[1]: by marxism, value = work so it should be the planck energy hth 06:52:50 oerjan: DAMN YOU MARXIST SCUM 06:52:54 hi 06:53:00 It sounds like this planck value is priced by the market. 06:53:28 shachaf: Not really; we assume maximum efficiency with generation 06:53:53 shachaf: And that the market sells at the exact amount of value it takes to produce, which is obviously not correct, but lets pretend it is 06:53:59 *let's 06:54:09 > editDistance "marxist" "market" 06:54:13 coïncindence? 06:54:29 Looks like it's 3 06:54:39 Well, assuming deletions cost as much as replacements 06:54:52 If you want something to do, invent a derivative that lets me hedge and bet on future liquidity. 06:54:55 twh 06:55:02 shachaf: Planck Laziness? 06:55:36 I suppose planck laziness is... hm... 06:55:47 It's obviously about avoiding doing one planck energy's worth of work 06:56:02 You have to model liquidity nonlinearly. 06:56:11 But solidity can be modeled with a matrix. 06:56:29 shachaf: What's the Wooden Planck? 06:57:29 * hppavilion[1] puts on his anti-swatter helmet 06:57:44 If you want something to do, figure out how to set the tick size (minimum price increment) for a market. 06:58:04 It's a tricky question. You don't want it too fine or too coarse. 06:58:20 US equity markets use $0.01 as the tick size since ~2000. Before that I think they used $⅛? 06:58:22 shachaf: That's easy; just become a politician and get other politicians to vote to set it to the desired value 06:59:47 I mean, from the perspective of someone who wants a market that achieves the goals that society wants it to achieve, figure out how to decide on a tick size. 07:00:05 shachaf: That's also easy; consult your nearest mathematician 07:00:20 Why would mathematicians know? 07:00:34 shachaf: Because they can math very well 07:00:44 (BTW, there needs to be a Mathematician General in the US. Someone to put warnings on lottery tickets) 07:00:47 If all you're going to do is make jokes in #esoteric, at least make them good jokes. 07:00:59 shachaf: Too tired to be funny 07:01:12 It just hit 22:00 here 07:01:25 amateur 07:01:30 @time 07:01:34 Local time for oerjan is Mon May 30 08:01:30 2016 07:02:03 If you're too tired to be funny, it's a good cue to stop making jokes. 07:02:07 Or maybe not. 07:02:08 oerjan: Pfft. It doesn't measure down to the planck time, and it doesn't measure since the big bang. 07:02:10 shachaf: *fine* 07:02:14 Perhaps I'm just too much of a grouch. 07:03:41 It's a holiday in Alaska tomorrow. 07:03:45 You have no excuse anyway. 07:30:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:35:06 @messages 07:36:35 I think I'm too much of a grouch nowadays. 08:04:58 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:12:33 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:14:18 -!- olsner has joined. 08:15:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:17:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:25:03 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:26:49 -!- olsner has joined. 08:28:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:33:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Etc.). 08:44:10 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:03:01 why the heck do splash screens (for software starting up) use always on top windows? 09:19:19 bragging rights 09:20:43 CPU wasting 09:21:08 wasting CPU: It's the new optimization! 09:24:58 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Maximngy * New user account 09:31:51 -!- augur has joined. 09:36:15 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:47:25 Man, I hate wordpress. Its web interface makes it so difficult to list or find earlier blog entries. 09:47:31 Why's everyone using it? 09:54:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:55:43 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:57:08 b_jonas: because everyone's using it 09:58:55 I know that seems a tautology, but... 09:59:04 Everybody uses it because everybody uses it 10:10:43 [wiki] [[++brainfuck++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47085 * Maximngy * (+1447) ++brainfuck++ writed by me 10:11:09 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:11:21 gamemanj: no, I think it's more like that the rest of the people use google's blogger, which is almost as bad. it also doesn't let you list or find old posts. 10:11:57 eh. just write a Lua script to compile your blog into a static site. problem solved. 10:12:26 no compile problems, and Lua seems to be rather portable so you don't have to worry about GEM NOT FOUND 10:13:01 (why bother with external libraries) 10:16:35 gamemanj: I know there are good blog sites. I'm just complaining because most aren't, and as a reader, it's sometimes easier to just download the entire fucking blog and do a local search to find something. 10:16:59 And I don't mean full text search. I can't even list the titles of article titles through the web interface. 10:17:08 Neither wordpress nor blogger allows that. 10:17:15 gamemanj: did you ever use lua for not-so-small programs? 10:17:33 They're just showing the last few articles, and hides everything else quite well. 10:17:39 lifthrasiir: A few times. 10:17:50 lifthrasiir: I've found Lua patterns to be very useful for parsing... 10:18:39 I've done so, and the overall experience was quite painful 10:18:58 (for one data point: I've worked through 300K lines of Lua code at the daily job) 10:19:11 300K? Ok, that might be much 10:19:28 and overall quality of Lua libraries is close to abysmal 10:19:38 Hmm... depends which libraries... 10:19:48 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 10:19:56 io.popen's downright stupid "read or write, pick one!" 10:20:05 yeah. even basic libraries got that wrong 10:20:35 but then again that's not actually Lua's fault 10:20:55 popen's a wrapper around C stdlib popen which is equally broken 10:21:52 gamemanj: right. but unlike C you are forced to use another bindings for that purpose, and I think there are not always bindings for such mistakes 10:21:58 for covering such mistakes up, I meant 10:22:20 gamemanj: os.time was another catch for me 10:22:40