< 1464653746 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464654220 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: goto sleep; < 1464654683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1464654696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a wikipedia-like site for "what should have been"? < 1464655771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1464656487 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: conservapedia hth < 1464656525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Eric 5* 10New user account < 1464657079 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:General disclaimer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47087&oldid=13314 5* 03Eric 5* (+43) 10 < 1464657286 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:General disclaimer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47088&oldid=47087 5* 03Eric 5* (+60) 10 < 1464657733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:General disclaimer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47089&oldid=47088 5* 03Eric 5* (+71) 10 < 1464657876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? color < 1464657890 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But what's nservapedia then? < 1464657898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106lor is 10a 1202p04henomenon 0810fr07om13 ou0211t050803e11r 1313s1302p04ace 13de0503sign02e13d0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02e 10h12um081206an04i02ty i07110214ns0709a0804ne an0614d 11bri0813ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l030610hu. < 1464657956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a wiki of a different lor. < 1464658047 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? colour < 1464658053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106lour is 10a 1202p04henomenon 0810fr07om13 ou0211t050803e11r 1313s1302p04ace 13de0503sign02e13d0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02e 10h12um081206an04i02ty i07110214ns0709a0804ne an0614d 11bri0813ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l030610hu. < 1464658090 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1464658113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to change the entry so every word has a 'u' one letter before the end, but I don't know how to do that without fucking up the fanciousity < 1464658135 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed seems like the way to do it, but I can't think of the proper way < 1464658178 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall leave the advicing on this to shachaf. < 1464658186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1464658512 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1464659160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb < 1464659172 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464659186 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/*Taneb* < 1464659193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/*Taneb* < 1464659200 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1464659206 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*Taneb* < 1464659208 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*Taneb*: No such file or directory < 1464659212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1464659224 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1464659228 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how to do it < 1464659243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that means that there isn't a file like that < 1464659250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I did it right, but I read the response wrong < 1464659256 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/*taneb* < 1464659259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/fundamental theorem of taneb wisdom/people who taneb is not wisdom/taneb wisdom/tanebvention wisdom/tanebventory < 1464659274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fundamental theorem of taneb < 1464659280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb states that for all strings S, if S describes a thing, then it is provable that Taneb invented the thing described by S; and, furthermore, that it is provable that there exists a string T that describes a thing that Taneb did not invent. < 1464659287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1464659293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, that sounds inconsistent to me < 1464659354 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall x: invented(Taneb, x) && exists x: ~invented(Taneb, x) seems to be impossible (where the domain of x is "things") < 1464659460 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1464659486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, that's an example of "omega-inconsistency" < 1464659488 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/u\1/g' wisdom/colour < 1464659490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106louur ius 10ua 1202p04henomenoun 0810fr07oum13 ou0211t050803e11ur 1313s1302p04acue 13de0503sign02e13ud0511 t101010uo140913 d1304ri08v02ue 10h12um081206an04i02tuy i07110214ns0709a0804nue an0614ud 11bri0813nug f13or08tuh t02hue n10euw05 0212ague14 ouf Cth0211u < 1464659492 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't fit. < 1464659512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can prove something exists but also that every possible example isn't it < 1464659516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oooh, "thue" < 1464659535 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...that makes no sense. < 1464659539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why is that a thing? < 1464659543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit, it's a Godel, isn't it? < 1464659561 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of redundant (in the sense of being immediately followed by another) color codes in the entry. < 1464659572 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: because a proof has to be finite, so you cannot collect all the counterexamples into a proof no example exists < 1464659599 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you require that the word be at least 4 letters long, it'll fit < 1464659616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, yes < 1464659632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: not quite, although interestingly, Godel's original incompleteness proof had a weakness related to that < 1464659635 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, "BDSM" describes a thing that exists. Taneb < 1464659637 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1464659639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1464659644 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) < 1464659651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1464659655 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1464659660 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes, it's inconsistent with other facts < 1464659663 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM is related to sex. < 1464659671 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefor, Taneb didn't invent BDSM < 1464659683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefor, the Fundamental Theorem of Taneb is false. < 1464659711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent inventing things? < 1464659753 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\)\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/\1u\5/g' wisdom/colour < 1464659755 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106louur is 10a 1202p04henomenoun 0810fr07oum13 ou0211t050803e11ur 1313s1302p04acue 13de0503sign02e13ud0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02ue 10h12um081206an04i02tuy i07110214ns0709a0804nue an0614d 11bri0813nug f13or08tuh t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l < 1464659788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no go. < 1464659795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Gray < 1464659797 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gray is e common misspalling of grey. < 1464659800 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Grey < 1464659801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grey? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464659849 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Grey is a common misspelling of Gey < 1464659850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1464659850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464659869 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\)\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/\1u\5/g' -e 's/louur/lour/' -e 's/\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)/\2/g' wisdom/colour < 1464659871 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C03o06lour is 10a 02p04henomenoun 10fr07oum13 ou11t03e11ur 13s02p04acue 13de03sign02e13ud11 t10o13 d04ri08v02ue 10h12um06an04i02tuy i14ns09a04nue an14d 11bri13nug f13or08tuh t02he n10ew05 12age14 of Cth11u09l10hu. < 1464659876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There we go < 1464659879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :De-redundanting it works, though. < 1464659887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\)\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/\1u\5/g' -e 's/louur/lour/' -e 's/\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)/\2/g' wisdom/colour < 1464659888 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just strip the colors and add them back with rainbow afterwards? < 1464659892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? deredundantation < 1464659893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464659897 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deredundantation? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464659898 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But then I'd be *changing* them. < 1464659903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1464659930 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, shit < 1464659940 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Grey/Grey is a common misspelling of Gey < 1464659944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «grey» < 1464659945 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i -e 's/\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)/\2/g' wisdom/color # let's OPTOMIZE this as well < 1464659948 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464659968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Dereduntantation is the process of making things less redundant. It is typically done with either regexes or regular expressions. < 1464659972 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'dereduntantation': Dereduntantation is the process of making things less redundant. It is typically done with either regexes or regular expressions. < 1464659981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have you even read the Gray entry properly, i'm skeptical < 1464659991 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have. < 1464660002 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It uses an e instead of every a < 1464660017 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1464660018 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it swaps them < 1464660023 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every e is an a, every a is an e < 1464660047 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The joke for Grey is that it's a chain of misspelling; like when you click google's "Do you mean" and it has another "Do you mean" in it < 1464660077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Gey/I know nothing about Gey, sir. < 1464660081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «gey» < 1464660090 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? marriage < 1464660091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :marriage? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464660173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did most European companies give in and legalize Gay marriage? < 1464660190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few companies have done that. < 1464660195 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1464660197 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countries < 1464660223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Marriage was made legal in the United States on 2015-06-26 < 1464660226 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'marriage': Marriage was made legal in the United States on 2015-06-26 < 1464660229 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland did it very recently -- in fact, I don't think the laws are quite in yet. < 1464660242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure there was a particular time, they just started trickling in around 2000? < 1464660243 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1464660251 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying marriage wasn't legal in the us? < 1464660275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: The joke is that gay marriage wasn't legal < 1464660283 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Same-sex marriage will become legal in Finland on 1 March 2017. A bill for legalization was approved by the parliament on 12 December 2014 and signed by the President on 20 February 2015. In order to implement the law, follow-up changes in other acts were required. The legislative measure to make most of these changes was approved by the parliament on 17 February 2016 and signed by President ... < 1464660285 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1464660285 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: But now that it is, there isn't a difference < 1464660289 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on 8 April 2016." < 1464660292 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of dates. < 1464660292 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go to bed < 1464660306 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: has finland had a partnership law for years first, like norway did? < 1464660355 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :marriage is actually a very interesting topic, it's sad that so many people have too strong opinions to care discussing it < 1464660355 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, though it wasn't *quite* equal to marriage when it came to some things like adoption. Pretty close, though. < 1464660356 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464660371 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "for years" is a bit debatable, it's only been since 2002. < 1464660371 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not marriage itself, but the involvement of the state in marriage < 1464660379 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœrjan. < 1464660380 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhoily! < 1464660385 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1464660385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 3h 2m 21s ago: The wisdom entry for "cello" has slashes that should be replaced with italicization < 1464660417 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. good call! did I add you to the cocoonspirators? < 1464660454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464660487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No? < 1464660487 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: neither was the norwegian one. < 1464660570 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the you should become one! for the low low price of your github account name! < 1464660589 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No. < 1464660599 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm not falling into your tarp < 1464660619 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have a tarp for people to fall into anyway. < 1464660652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Finland#/media/File:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg implies that same-sex marriages become unregistered if you get on a boat on a lake. < 1464660692 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you have to take your ring off everytime you board a boat on a lake? < 1464660714 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the question's entirely undefined if it's a sea. < 1464660715 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if you swim? < 1464660718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds prone to accidents. < 1464660799 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: tarp? nah, I ain't got no tarp, eh? < 1464660834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah; the sea doesn't even exist on the map < 1464660865 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, have you checked for alpha filters? Maybe the ocean does it secretly, so it's invisible < 1464661136 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot who plays magic besides zzo38 in this here chännel... < 1464661442 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/dosh < 1464661448 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like reading Fox News because it reminds me how much stupider I could be and makes me happy for not being so. < 1464661456 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett < 1464661463 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dosh < 1464661465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The doshes are what the gostak distims. < 1464661486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: his neural nets are leaking into the wisdom < 1464661554 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I fear it was pretswetty hth → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gostak < 1464661931 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1464662440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: frumious! < 1464662784 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all! < 1464662791 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BANDERSNATCH CHICKEN < 1464662865 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote obscure < 1464662876 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :790) the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september \ 1245) (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing) < 1464663076 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any solutions to a^n + b^p = c^q, where {a, b, c} = {2, 3, 5} and n, p, and q are integers greater than 1? < 1464663153 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are, of course, a few solutions where n, p, and q are nonnegative integers... < 1464663252 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 + 2 = 3, 1 + 3 = 4, 1 + 4 = 5, 2 + 3 = 5, 3 + 5 = 8, 9 + 16 = 25... wait, there's the answer. < 1464663273 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next question. How many solutions are there where n, p, and q are nonnegative integers? < 1464663317 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other two solutions that immediately come to mind are 2 + 25 = 27 and 3 + 125 = 128. < 1464663321 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and 1 + 1 = 2. < 1464663350 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, 5 + 27 = 32. < 1464663593 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought n was supposed to be greater than 1 < 1464663609 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be no more solutions with c^q less than or equal to 256. < 1464663612 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I changed my mind. < 1464663615 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1464663623 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 + 16 = 25 answers the original question positively. < 1464663628 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^2 + 2^4 = 5^2. < 1464663752 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :5^0 + 2^3 = 3^2 < 1464663769 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, I missed that one. < 1464663843 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only one which is quite like that. 8 and 9 are the only consecutive integers which are perfect powers. < 1464663868 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect powers of any kind, not just perfect prime powers? < 1464663881 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :of any kind < 1464663891 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there only finitely many pairs of perfect powers which are 2 apart? < 1464663974 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1464663980 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, looks like yes: https://oeis.org/A076427 < 1464664005 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's known to be the case for all values of 2 up to at least 100. < 1464664038 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, this list is not very meaningful < 1464664046 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sspectra.com/Pillai.txt -- it comes from here < 1464664057 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perfect powers examined up to 10^18" < 1464664088 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1464664093 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fvnhqwoivsvniftf QUIT :Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite! < 1464664095 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that it's an open question whether 6 is the difference of two perfect powers. < 1464664136 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A074981 < 1464664138 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1464664189 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan's_conjecture#Pillai.27s_conjecture - Pillai's conjecture states that for all n, there are only finitely many perfect powers that are n apart. It follows from the ABC conjecture. < 1464664241 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we only have to understand inter-universal Teichmüller theory, and we'll have it ;) < 1464664243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ...huh < 1464664283 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has a fundamental theorem named after him, but does he have a conjecture? < 1464664285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking in another channel the other day: Is there some direct topological interpretation of big-O notation? < 1464664291 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for some reason I wonder: which 5-smooth numbers are non-trivially the sum of two other 5-smooth numbers, where "non-trivially" means that the three numbers must not all have a prime factor in common? < 1464664309 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what sort of topological interpretation do you mean? < 1464664311 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Topological? Not as far as I'm aware < 1464664325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define it as exists K >= 0. lim_{n -> ∞}{f(n)/g(n)} = K or something like that. < 1464664356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]'s first conjecture: No one has yet bothered to prove hppavilion[1]'s first conjecture < 1464664368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Well, there's a nice concrete way of talking about the limit of a sequence, for instance, where you extend that sequence to the extended naturals and ask for f(∞). < 1464664385 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's not an "interpretation". < 1464664388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bothered/managed/ < 1464664398 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I can prove that conjecture. < 1464664403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No you can't < 1464664406 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :lim sup < 1464664431 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother sup < 1464664438 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: By proving it, you disprove it, thus meaning you have not proven it, so it holds < 1464664444 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone had ever managed to prove the conjecture before you stated it, that would mean that the conjecture is false, and so they could not have proved it. Contradiction. < 1464664458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Why lim sup, when you're talking about n -> ∞? < 1464664471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: NON-INTUITIONISTIC HEATHEN < 1464664472 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the limit could diverge by oscillating. < 1464664472 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit may not exist, but the lim sup will < 1464664510 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess not. < 1464664521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me want a direct answer even more. < 1464664536 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now, big-O notation is a partial order, right? So it has... I was about to say it has an order topology, but I don't know if partial orders get those. < 1464664597 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make a topological space out of any preorder, but I don't think that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. < 1464664617 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we've just used division < 1464664635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i * boily has quit [Quit: NON-INTUITIONISTIC CHICKEN] < 1464664666 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what topological space construction are you thinking of? < 1464664667 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? i,i < 1464664675 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not going to be invariant under homeomorphisms < 1464664677 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464664721 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn i,i i,i what is i,i < 1464664725 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'i,i': i,i i,i what is i,i < 1464664725 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1464664751 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know, that's why I'm asking. < 1464664768 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, when you say "you can make a topological space out of any preorder", what are you talking about? < 1464664790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just nice how you can concretely say "extend f : N -> X to a continuous f' : N* -> X, and then look at f'(∞)" < 1464664795 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the what's it called. < 1464664799 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x^3 + x is an automorphism of R, but composing functions with that will change their asymptotic behaviour < 1464664799 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alexandrov space. < 1464664830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrov_topology#The_Alexandrov_topology_on_a_preordered_set < 1464664891 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, perhaps replacing the topology, okay < 1464664895 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1464664902 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1464664925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last thing was answering tswett's question. < 1464665011 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at it as a partial order, how about the topology generated by {x : x < a} and {x : x > a}? < 1464665167 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wsinipwifgvotlrl JOIN :#esoteric < 1464665241 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe the question is something like: Is there a way to associate to functions f: N -> N some topological spaces X_f such that there is a continuous map X_f -> X_g iff f is O(g)? < 1464665275 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or perhaps swap them) < 1464665283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, something like that would probably be an answer. < 1464665298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some characterization of ʘ(f) < 1464665303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Θ(f) < 1464665319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was U+0298 instead of U+0398. < 1464665336 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they look similar to each other. < 1464666045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need any extra structure define lim sup for arbitrary topological spaces? < 1464666078 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. An automorphism of R has a topological space switches lim sup and lim inf. < 1464666079 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464666082 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ʘ < 1464666084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0298 LATIN LETTER BILABIAL CLICK] < 1464666116 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464666479 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1464666668 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all those bilabial clicks you need to make while pronouncing Latin. < 1464666731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Can you figure out what ꙮ notation would mean? < 1464666752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SIGBOVIK paper in it, I'm sure. < 1464666788 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O < 1464666803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1464666817 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiocular O notation. < 1464666819 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ(f) < 1464666823 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol < 1464666844 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ꙮ < 1464666847 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1136) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1464666865 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how this letter from a fictional work gets into Unicode, but Klingon doesn't. < 1464666896 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1464666964 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1464666979 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make a proposal to include the Klingon alphabet as "additional Cyrillic characters" < 1464667013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to sneak it in under CJK. < 1464667015 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyrillic Klingon of course < 1464667017 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese Japanese Klingon < 1464667054 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory 'ꙮ' < 1464667056 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : OtherLetter < 1464667063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only weakness of that limerick. < 1464667553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ꙮ < 1464667559 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ꙮ is the official Unicode character of #esoteric. < 1464667561 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1464667564 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1464667616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's the weakness? < 1464667627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1464667844 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let V and W be Banach spaces, and g: V -> W, then ꙮ(g) is the set of functions f: V -> W such that for any u in V, we have that the function r |--> f(r*u) is O(r |--> g(r*u)), i.e. in each direction f is asymptotically bounded by g. < 1464667885 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the bound seen by each of the many eyes may differ) < 1464667924 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^^ hth < 1464668122 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Eric14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47090 5* 03Eric 5* (+12) 10Created page with "This is Eric" < 1464668189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: sgtm < 1464668193 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :get writing on that paper < 1464668371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? jerk < 1464668376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464668387 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Jerk is the integral of snap. < 1464668391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'jerk': Jerk is the integral of snap. < 1464668435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't figured out good answers for my questions about the limit operator L : (R -v R) -> (R -v R) < 1464668439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where -v means a partial function.) < 1464668842 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? snap < 1464668845 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464668869 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Snap is a simple web development framework for unix systems, written in the Haskell programming language. Snap has a high level of test coverage and is well-documented. < 1464668876 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'snap': Snap is a simple web development framework for unix systems, written in the Haskell programming language. Snap has a high level of test coverage and is well-documented. < 1464668884 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464668904 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there I was about to define it as a Sierpiński Nap. < 1464668934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also i can't quite tell what Cale is doing here, can you twh < 1464669025 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464669047 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell < 1464669050 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1464669052 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? monoids < 1464669065 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1464669067 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with single objects. < 1464669068 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1464669070 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monoid is the easy version of a category. < 1464669088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1464669089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1464669116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? just monoid < 1464669117 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just monoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464669169 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are lax functors * -> Cat < 1464669180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1464669182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just free monad monad monad algebras. < 1464669201 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1464669290 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :So monoids are just lax functors * -> BSet, where BSet is the one-object delooping bicategory of the monoidal category of sets. < 1464669329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a good definition for "just monoid". < 1464669649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: also i can't quite tell what Cale is doing here, can you twh <-- clearly it's meta-ironical hth < 1464669709 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :A just monoid is a monoid which is based on reasonable or adequate grounds. < 1464669742 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? justice < 1464669744 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justice is just behavior or treatment. < 1464669780 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -le '(is|are) just' wisdom < 1464669793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Applicative < 1464669793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464669795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464669811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Applicatives are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1464669815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'applicative': Applicatives are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1464669816 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monoid M is called left-adequate if every principal left ideal is projective as a left M-act, and the set E(M) of idempotents forms a semilattice < 1464669842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of thought we had that one already. < 1464669861 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? applicative functor < 1464669863 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :applicative functor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464669947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/applicative{,\ functor}; sed -i 's/s/ functors/' wisdom/applicative\ functor < 1464669951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464669981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? applicative functor < 1464669983 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative functors are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1464670015 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? functor < 1464670016 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors are just morphisms in the category of small categories < 1464670031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/functor < 1464670036 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464670066 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1464670067 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" < 1464670117 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1464670122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Texas is "The America of America" < 1464670233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom < 1464670234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl < 1464670286 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/sedk//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: sedk file//operation; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key" } < 1464670290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/sedk < 1464670367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedk bin/sedk//s;u;'u;;s"n"n'" < 1464670369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/sedk: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1464670427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/..$/; }/' bin/sedk < 1464670432 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464670437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedk bin/sedk//s;u;'u;;s"n"n'" < 1464670440 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/sedk//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sedk file//operation'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key"; } < 1464670465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast soperationscript < 1464670473 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/sedk//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sedk file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key"; } < 1464670486 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hth < 1464670554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should've rnoooooodled that. < 1464670683 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/sedk bin/sled; sedk 'bin/sled//s-sedk-sled-' < 1464670687 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: sedk: command not found < 1464670696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs < 1464670706 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/sled//s-sedk-sled- < 1464670708 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/sled//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sled file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key"; } < 1464671420 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category Theory-related wisdom tends to start with "xs are just" < 1464671817 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits LaTeX < 1464671834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464671847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat? < 1464671851 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat culprits < 1464671852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: culprits: No such file or directory < 1464671859 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...WAT < 1464671864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, this was me, wasn't it < 1464671876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`innocent LaTeX < 1464671877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: innocent: not found < 1464671881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1464672152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a case of advanced amnesia. < 1464672195 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so derivatives [4..6] are called snap, crackle, and pop < 1464672200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fizzie a derivative < 1464674714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? emacs < 1464674716 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is the weird brother of nano. < 1464674716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vi < 1464674719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is in a relationship with emacs. < 1464674723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nano < 1464674726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nano is vi's sister. < 1464674729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1464674748 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's a problem here. < 1464675079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you incest there is. < 1464675083 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopping -> < 1464675190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, the wisdom PDF has a whole chapter on Tanebventions < 1464675533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention < 1464675537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1464675573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled wisdom/tanebvention//s/lemma/lemma, histograms,/ < 1464675577 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebvention//Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms,, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1464675584 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1464675590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled wisdom/tanebvention//s/,,/,/ < 1464675593 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebvention//Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1464675756 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn soviet russia/In soviet russia, this wisdom entry /would/ read you if it weren't for the fact that IRC hadn't been invented at the time < 1464675760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «soviet russia» < 1464675808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1464675818 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/soviet russia//¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia? < 1464675839 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your joke is only a reference to another joke and it isn't even properly punctuated < 1464675846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/soviet russia < 1464675861 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] int-e b_jonas oerjan < 1464675884 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well yeah < 1464675894 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn soviet russia/In soviet russia, this wisdom entry /would/ read you if it weren't for the fact that IRC hadn't been invented at the time. < 1464675899 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «soviet russia» < 1464675911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log wisdom/soviet\ russia | grep summary: | grep -v hpp < 1464675918 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: revert \ summary: slashlearn soviet russia/In soviet russia, this wisdom entry reads you. \ summary: le/rn soviet russia/\xc2\xaf\\(\xc2\xb0\xe2\x80\x8b_o)/\xc2\xaf soviet russia? < 1464675959 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 8238 < 1464675977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1464676271 0 :shovel_boss!~shovel_bo@unaffiliated/shovel-boss/x-4881665 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464677903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? soviet russia < 1464677908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia? < 1464677972 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: also, irc was invented while soviet russia still existed hth < 1464677988 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was afraid someone would say that < 1464678022 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the new soviet russia joke is better < 1464678027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? russian reversal < 1464678030 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian reversal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464678037 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lithuanian inversion < 1464678040 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lithuanian inversion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464678108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also the old joke < 1464678108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? french expansion < 1464678110 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :french expansion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464678116 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes < 1464678129 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? greek oliveoilization < 1464678130 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :greek oliveoilization? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464678159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( which countries have imploded? ) < 1464678254 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Britain? < 1464678269 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07++brainfuck++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47091&oldid=47085 5* 03Maximngy 5* (+44) 10 < 1464678279 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever name, probably stupid < 1464678290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07++brainfuck++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47092&oldid=47091 5* 03Maximngy 5* (-40) 10 < 1464678314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07++brainfuck++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47093&oldid=47092 5* 03Maximngy 5* (+5) 10 < 1464678379 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:++brainfuck++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47094 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+61) 10Informed. < 1464678408 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:++brainfuck++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47095&oldid=47094 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+11) 10Updated to match new title < 1464678430 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47096&oldid=47073 5* 03Maximngy 5* (+66) 10 < 1464678484 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f451:eb27:7e43:60a6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464678504 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... I wonder if there are any programs that take improper english written by a non-native speaker and attempt to determine their native language < 1464678559 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: need more samples? < 1464678576 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ? < 1464678591 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as I'm not a native speaker) < 1464678633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Well it wouldn't work for fluent nonnative speakers, but it'd be designed for people who know just enough english to scrape by < 1464678651 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I never thought I'm fluent :S < 1464678669 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Well the fact that you aren't a native speaker is news to me IIRC, so... < 1464678698 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ironically, "I'm" should be "I was" there, I guess) < 1464678725 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that kind of mistakes. I'm particularly bad at tense for example < 1464678788 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and articles, but everyone learning English seems to fail on articles anyway < 1464678839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I fail in articles? < 1464678942 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You should not end a sentence with a preposition. Wait, dammit." < 1464678961 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Eintaire < 1464678986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? einstein < 1464678993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :einstein? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464679042 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. World War V will be fought with crossbows, World War VI will be lasers, and World War VII will be blowguns. I don't know about World Wars VIII through XI. World War XII will use the same weapons as III, but will be fought entirely within underground tunnels. World War XIV will—Hey, come < 1464679044 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :back! I have a whole list!" -- Albert Einstein < 1464679044 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn einstein is a germaneau for "a stone" < 1464679053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'einstein': einstein is a germaneau for "a stone" < 1464679185 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, everyone whose native language is not indo-european. that should be more clear. < 1464679227 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other languages often have articles, guaranteed, but indo-european articles can be quite complex compared to others) < 1464679737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: no no, look, Hungarian has articles that are used very similar to those in English or French < 1464679750 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's sad < 1464679765 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indo-European is not relevant here in practice, because if your native language is Russian you are going to have trouble with articles in Englih < 1464679782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indo-European didn't use to have articles originally < 1464679795 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are later inventions, and stolen multiple times < 1464679810 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not inherited on the main branches of the family tree < 1464679835 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that's true, still I feel most modern indo-european languages have a system of articles anyway < 1464679859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: um, maybe? I dunno < 1464679892 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be half and half, but some of the ones that have articles (like Swedish) have a different system from English or French < 1464679909 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464679910 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnurd < 1464679939 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464679942 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: for one record, affixes give another headache for foreign learners, though English does not have them (in general) < 1464679958 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: sure < 1464679964 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of reason that Korean is particularly hard for many other speakers < 1464679989 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Japanese, which is worse thanks to the absence of spacing) < 1464680024 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and "thanks" used as a sarcasm just to be sure) < 1464680027 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: especially in the languages that have crazy unlearnable random forms of how a particular affix looks like when appended to a particular word, like Hungarian, where they're so random that half of the time they're used as a shiboleth to identify non-native speakers reliably, and the other half of the time even native speakers don't agree on the correct form < 1464680042 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you seem to be very good at hitting issues that don't apply to b_jonas :P < 1464680049 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1464680063 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different extremes, maybe? < 1464680102 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? they sure apply. just because Hungarian has a crazy verb conjugation (and also noun declination) system doesn't make conjugation in other languages much easier to learn, because they don't work the same < 1464680127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well you have articles, and you have affixes galore. < 1464680131 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: articles in English _are_ easy to learn for me, because they work practically the same as in Hungarian, with some rare differences < 1464680152 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Hungarian affixes seem to be... a lot. Korean also has lots of them but in a slightly different way. < 1464680152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously hungarian calqued articles from its indoeuropean neighbors. < 1464680171 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: but Japanese at least has some of the nouns and verbs written in Kanji and all the suffixes written in hiragana, doesn't that sort of count as spaces? < 1464680188 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, created out of necessity (unfortunately). < 1464680193 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course, even the indoeuropean neighbors stole the articles from each other way after they split < 1464680240 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: but I Japanese verb conjugation does have a reputation to be hard to learn, yse < 1464680300 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I read the WP correctly, Hungarian affixes do not compose, it just have tons of them for each class, right? (plus some terrible mutation rules) < 1464680358 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korean affixes compose a lot, and ruins automated segmentation < 1464680364 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it does have composing affixes (called képző), but also ordinary verb affixes and noun affixes that form the conjugation and declination, and those don't compose, so you have basically at most two attached to a verb or noun < 1464680399 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“tons of them for each class” - not compared to Japanese I think, but I'm not really sure < 1464680434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think i read once that greek got the definite article from phoenician some time between homeric and classical greek and from there it spread to others. < 1464680437 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese has a similar characteristic < 1464680467 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure how accurate that is. < 1464680572 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, a Hungarian noun takes a “jel” suffix which indicates singular vs plural and also possessive (but the possessive is null most of the time in the text), followed by a “rag” suffix which is ordinary noun declination indicating the role of the noun group in the sentence (sort of like in Latin, and somewhat less like Japanese); < 1464680685 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas an adjective takes possibly a “jel” suffix indicating comparative, followed by possibly an ordinary noun “jel” and noun “rag” (most often both omitted because they can be used only if the adjective is used as a noun group alone or a qualifier after a noun, but most of the time adjectives are used as epitheths before a noun in which case it's forbidden); < 1464680863 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Hungarian verbs take a “jel” indicating mood and tense (there's four possibilities, plus some obsolate ones, the most common one is empty for the indicative present, two other forms are notated by an aux verb instead of a suffix), followed by a “rag” that agrees with the count and person of the subject and the determinacy of the object (13 possibilities). < 1464680911 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a Hungarian verb has 4*13 possibly forms (one less actually because there's two that always look the same, but that doesn't help understanding the system). < 1464681034 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic system is simple, but the part that's impossible to learn is that when you actually attach a suffix to a word the letters and sounds you get are modified in ways impossible to predict. < 1464681138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: does Korean have a verb conjugation system that's reputed to be hard to learn, like Japanese? I know Korean is supposed to have a grammar similar to Japanese, but I'm not sure if that applies to that part too. < 1464681185 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Korean have no conjugation system, probably everything is done with affixes. < 1464681200 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: um, what's the difference? < 1464681213 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer changes in form? < 1464681215 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1464681221 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in principle you can segment all of them < 1464681230 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is you initially don't know where to cut < 1464681462 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some example: "했다" ("[subject] did [...]") <- short for "하였다" = 하- (verb, lit. to do) / -였- (past tense) / -다 (plain verb ending) < 1464681504 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may notice that there *is* a contraction. it is not proper conjugation though because you can literally replace every occurrence of 했다 with 하였다, so it is rather a pronunciation contraction < 1464681544 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or abbreviation if you prefer that. kind of contractions like "im" in German (<- in dem) < 1464681625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wondered why hungarian verbs had a prime number of "rag"s, then remembered -lak/lek < 1464681785 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now introducing tons of variations for this verb: 할 (future tense, needs aux verb), 할까요 (future tense plus inquiry), 합시다 (present tense plus proposition), 할까봐 (future tense, nominal "-까" plus suggestive "-봐"), and so on < 1464681832 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several, not always compatible, variations for each kind of affixes, resulting in literally thousands of them < 1464681910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: right. that counts more or less like conjugation for me, unless there are also suffixes with a varying form that can be separated from the word it applies to by other words (not just other affixes on the same word) < 1464682037 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IIRC conjugation is related to the grammatical tags and thus imperative (you cannot use non-conjugated forms interchangably). I think Korean does not do that. < 1464682076 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some close-to-conjugation rules that are imperative, though < 1464682091 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some of them irregular, as common in natural languages) < 1464682150 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Good Night < 1464682262 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: hmm, so you say it's not conjugation unless the agreement or suffixes are mostly mandatory on all verbs where they make sense, whereas in Koeran they are often optional and used only when they're necessary? < 1464682319 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they are common contractions, but otherwise yes, I think so < 1464682335 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1464682357 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to say that it is easier, actually that's more difficult (as you have to learn both and when it is appropriate) < 1464682400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't understand really is how languages like Chinese can work, for they have so few suffixes or grammatical particles that I don't understand how any listener can split groups of words in a sentence and tell their role in the sentence. < 1464682450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just have a mistaken impression about Chinese and it has more grammatical particles than it seems, I dunno. < 1464682460 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my understanding Chinese is quite similar to English (in terms of grammatical characteristics), so the word order is very important and some supporting words should be used to clarify their meanings < 1464682496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: English is bad too, yes, but at least it has articles on some of the nouns, which helps. < 1464682560 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think Chinese also has some particles, 的 being a prime example < 1464682566 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas Chinese has neither articles (like English) nor lots of case markers after most nouns (like latin or Japanese) < 1464682600 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: lots of particles sure, but are they commonly used? and I think I don't count particles that occur only at the end of the sentence. < 1464682613 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the actual count < 1464682662 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it is more concerning that Chinese has a relatively simple phonology (well, tones, right, but tones are often missed during conversation) < 1464682750 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: why is that important? lots of languages have a simple phonology, Japanese included. < 1464682789 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: tons of synonyms and near-synonyms as a result. (Japanese has tons of them as well) < 1464682806 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that does happen. < 1464682814 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Japanese seems to be fine so that may not be an actual problem < 1464682841 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it is a problem in spoken Japanese, which is why they add lots of extra words to disambiguate. < 1464683268 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a problem in spoken japanese? < 1464683282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: homophony < 1464683286 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1464683293 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing word-level ambiguities < 1464683299 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have lots of those < 1464683319 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some of those stress different syllables < 1464683467 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: right, pitch accent. half of the sources say it doesn't even really exist in Japanese, or only in certain dialects. I have no idea what the truth about it is. < 1464683471 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost ridiculous how many homophones they have < 1464683489 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: as far as I know it's certain dialects. < 1464683511 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I wrote synonyms when I should've write homonym < 1464683512 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1464683514 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if there's some "official dialect" that has different pitch accents for homophones < 1464683536 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most famous one is hashi < 1464683553 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridge or chopsticks < 1464683556 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably even more :) < 1464683588 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely also tip/point/(end of street) < 1464683614 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the first (harvest, catch) of the season or year < 1464683624 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: meh, a few isolated words with many meanings (like “scale”) doesn't really prove anything < 1464683641 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1464683666 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a word with many meanings is still one word < 1464683674 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, bit of a bitcoin boom < 1464683704 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but jisho lists at least 4-5 words with "hashi" as its readnig. < 1464683769 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no linguist. I don't even know when something is really a different word or the same < 1464683787 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's for example "Schloss" in german, which is either a "castle" or a "lock" < 1464683804 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if those are homonyms or just a word with two meanings < 1464683918 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. polysem, homonym, holograph < 1464684608 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464685125 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Polysleep < 1464685334 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:edba:bc04:4cf8:b5eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1464686864 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1464686962 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464687013 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1464687169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464687227 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine. Unexpectedly, I’d invented a time < 1464687555 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5d5f:2d0b:9c66:214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464687571 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference < 1464687588 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a few cases, different dictionaries decide differentl < 1464687704 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. wp says it's pretty much up to the origin of the word < 1464687723 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's a ploysem or homonym < 1464687834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1464687842 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No website should have a loading screen if it isn't streaming content < 1464687845 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5d5f:2d0b:9c66:214 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464688094 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1464688095 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1464688098 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got it all wrong < 1464688100 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally wrong < 1464688133 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to industry best practices every website should have a 30s loading screen with a shitload of ads (that also install malware on your machine to display even more ads) < 1464688147 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as an anti-ad-blocker that redirects you to malicious porn sites if an adblocker is detected < 1464688191 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of the ads need to look like regular MS Windows windows (even better if you detect the OS so you don't display Windows Vista window borders when using Windows XP) < 1464688214 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most importantly it needs to start shaking once the user wants to close it, if the user closes it the user needs to be asked if he's sure < 1464688216 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: maybe I'm just visiting the wrong websites for this, but the "anti-adblocker" mostly sounds like a myth to me that everyone says other websites are doing, and is totally possible to do, but almost no website actually uses. < 1464688237 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pornhub does. < 1464688241 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: some websites have overlays that javascript removes, but it's specifically for disabled javascript, not ad blocking I think < 1464688244 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they just display a message :) < 1464688279 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some websites put an overlay over the content if ads didn't load properly < 1464688291 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can remove with firebug or alike (delete node) < 1464688292 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really overlays, where the page loads anyway behind it so you can just remove it, not the javascript redirect kind where you can't even read the page without interpreting the javascript) < 1464688308 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tougher websites do a redirect < 1464688311 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: maybe I just confuse them with that < 1464688314 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you temporarily have to disable redirects. < 1464688338 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :others just serve ads from their own domain < 1464688345 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just a proxy of the actual ad network :) < 1464688374 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really an anti-ad-blocker though, just anti-ad-blocking strategy < 1464688415 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proxying ads through your own domain is probably currently the best thing you can do to still serve ads. < 1464688583 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also as an oem manufacturer you have to install rootkits that trust your own certificates so you can man in the middle all https connections and insert your own ads < 1464688611 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why companies can get off the hook so easily when they do these things. < 1464688658 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to walk into some company and install a rootkit there I'd go to prison < 1464688661 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying . < 1464689389 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess my world view is just too distorted :D < 1464689413 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 2016 I'd have thought some OS manufacturer had the guts to address some root problems when it comes to malware and stuff like that < 1464689420 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing much happened < 1464689454 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe smartphones < 1464689606 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like Microsoft has some business with either malware or anti-malware manufacturers :D < 1464689710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1464689839 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464691515 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1464691515 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 310920Z AUTO 35010KT 5000 -RA OVC011/// //////CB 11/10 Q1015 RERA TEMPO 4000 RA BKN009 < 1464691549 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :-RA RERA TEMPO RA. < 1464692812 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464693344 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykehaxqhjcxlygmu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1464694268 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who speaks japanese here? < 1464694318 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted some info about the -go suffix that i can't find anywhere < 1464694335 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :often translated as boy < 1464694362 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:edba:bc04:4cf8:b5eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh... example? < 1464694422 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bleach, yoruichi calls byakuya "byakuya-go" < 1464694470 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:edba:bc04:4cf8:b5eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it's not -bo? < 1464694502 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it's very similar < 1464694519 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, bo is on wikipedia < 1464694534 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1464694541 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:edba:bc04:4cf8:b5eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bou actually, I guess < 1464694636 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it really sounds similar <.< < 1464695421 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5fd:c6c9:735c:c72b JOIN :#esoteric < 1464695685 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5fd:c6c9:735c:c72b QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464696061 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1464696120 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1464696242 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1464698316 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cone < 1464698321 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cube < 1464698323 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ball < 1464698328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cylinder < 1464698374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cone? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464698374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. The companion cube does not speak, however. < 1464698375 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ball? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464698376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cylinder? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464698436 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong - the companion cube, though vaguely cube-shaped, has various ridges, circles, and other alterations to the basic shape of a cube, that make it not precisely a cube. < 1464698469 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, given that it is still classified as a cube, the "but only one shape" phrase should be changed to "but always match the same general outline of a shape". < 1464699316 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: so basically you're saying that the wisdom entry meets the usual #esoteric standard of being a satisfying mix of truth and misinformation. < 1464699338 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1464699382 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inferno < 1464699384 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464699403 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? limbo < 1464699405 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limbo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464699447 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; grep Dante * < 1464699461 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: le: Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ plan9:Plan9 is the precursor to Dante's Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. \ Binary file reflection matches \ virgil:Virgil is a prayer at dawn, as well as an ancient Italian poet who led Dante to hell so they can ask the blind transgende < 1464699499 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgets his own wisdom entries... < 1464699506 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/plan9 < 1464699519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e int-e < 1464699786 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cocytus < 1464699788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocytus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464699821 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ir2 < 1464699823 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ir2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464702473 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fools < 1464702481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fools? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464703201 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464703554 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464703790 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haruspex < 1464703797 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haruspex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464703812 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464705413 0 :ski__!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1464705436 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464706079 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1464706117 0 :ski__!?@? NICK :ski < 1464706126 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464706966 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I messed with BytePusher, it was to try AOTing it, but that turned out to be impractical. But... what about a JIT? < 1464707540 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1464708405 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464708896 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1464708922 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 5 * 19 % 30 * 31 < 1464708936 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1464708950 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 5 * 19 % 30 * 31 < 1464708951 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 0.102151 < 1464708965 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like that < 1464709247 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.144 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1464710418 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1464710576 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1464711311 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464711478 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464715540 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be possible to JIT BytePusher with... well, it seems a maximum of 512 segments per frame during some parts, but during runtime averaging on somewhere like 270. Need to get more stats for average segment length... < 1464715610 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike my previous attempt at messing with BytePusher execution, this one actually runs programs, though right now it only compiles it to something else it ends up interpreting. < 1464715636 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it's slower than a normal BytePusher interpreter. < 1464715648 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even when it's not recompiling segments.) < 1464715818 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be able to more or less zero the recompiled segment count by caching "alternate versions" of segments. < 1464715843 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but that probably won't make it faster than a normal BytePusher interpreter. < 1464716028 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so even more mressing around shows that the average segment it can JIT on a complex program is 9 instructions long. < 1464716032 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*messing < 1464716058 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to doubt the utility of this... < 1464716227 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Ok, so on the Audio Test it manages an average segment length of 7 instructions, and never compiles a segment more than once. I'm a bit more optimistic now. < 1464716278 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it only compiled 2 segments. < 1464716367 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1038 < 1464716372 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this olisted yet? < 1464716383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1038: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1464716892 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1464716922 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1464717288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in this channel, but it might've happened in another channel. < 1464717306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or on the other side of a netsplit, I guess, but then HackEgo wasn't there to help. < 1464717321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The poor olister, forced to manually type everyone's nick. < 1464720503 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464720582 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist < 1464720594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html < 1464720879 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464721239 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464722136 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1464722278 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464722302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1464722343 0 :Nithogg_!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1464722455 0 :Nithogg_!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1464723043 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? get off my lawn < 1464723046 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off my lawn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464723050 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? get off < 1464723055 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464723355 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464723440 0 :Elronnd\StD!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1464723454 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :Elronnd\StD < 1464723583 0 :Elronnd\StD!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1464723783 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1464724481 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong with this question? < 1464724513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's ambiguous. < 1464724527 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1464724723 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's self-referential < 1464724757 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, that is what it is. < 1464724935 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8302:dcf0:25f5:4ac:8b44:dc2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1464725044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're self-referential hth < 1464725096 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb < 1464725099 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) < 1464725121 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes, it's something I'm working on < 1464725210 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1464725213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1464725239 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see which of those are fake... < 1464725258 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Probably that last sentence, but nothing else < 1464725284 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, the last sentence is the most true of all < 1464725295 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I've ever seen anyone called Stephen Wolfram, so he's probably an invention of Taneb < 1464725296 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely asexual and a bit uncomfortable with being associated with sex < 1464725335 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh. In which case, it may not have been the greatest idea putting it in a sentence which may or may not contain lies... < 1464725355 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever try submarine jousting? Sounds fun but dangerous... < 1464725373 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Taneb is probably at least 100 years old < 1464725377 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("the BBC") < 1464725415 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ some extra time in which Taneb became old enough to potentially conceive of a broadcasting corporation for Britain) < 1464725416 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, Phantom_Hoover is quite good at submarine jousting from what I've heard < 1464725421 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1464725429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually real < 1464725434 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1464725436 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paradox! < 1464725436 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes it < 1464725437 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1464725472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not in the submarine team, i just knew some of the people on it < 1464725492 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everybody knows Taneb invented the torus, they share a first letter < 1464725506 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, a torus, topologically, is just a torus < 1464725542 0 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464725545 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tetris < 1464725547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464725599 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am tautology resistant to 104 megaiterations. < 1464725653 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Should someone provide a tautology with 104.000001 megaiterations, I will fall asleep for 10 hours.) < 1464725676 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :Elronnd\StD < 1464725682 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This roughly matches the amount of time it would take for me to actually listen to the tautology.) < 1464725905 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an iteration of a tautology? < 1464726299 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, the iteration of a tautology, of course < 1464726325 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see what you're doing < 1464726400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? histogram < 1464726403 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :histogram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464726441 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shrugging smiley < 1464726444 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrugging smiley? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464726449 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1464726465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1464726465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1464726466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1464726466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1464726467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1464726507 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you gamemanj < 1464726516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :macabre// < 1464726526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m–rdalsjökull//M–rdalsjökull is a draconic volcano harbouring the secret KATL base. < 1464726526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right//Right is not two wrongs but three lefts. < 1464726526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antediluvian//We could tell you what antediluvian means, but that would just open a flood of questions. < 1464726526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera//izabera is a bradyherpetologist. She is probably implemented in bash. < 1464726543 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1464726561 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hl for no reason -_- < 1464726651 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems unlikely that a person could be implemented in bash (and the CTCP VERSION doesn't say "bash" either), so the wisdom entry is probably telling a lie < 1464726673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? macabre < 1464726675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Macabres have been the hereditary rulers of Lochaber for 3 centuries. < 1464726703 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened there? < 1464726706 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom macabre < 1464726708 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :macabre//The Macabres have been the hereditary rulers of Lochaber for 3 centuries. < 1464726718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happen < 1464726940 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? accountant < 1464726941 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accountant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464727005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? auditor < 1464727005 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits macabre < 1464727007 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :auditor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464727014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464727017 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/macabre < 1464727022 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott Phantom_Hoover < 1464727029 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the usual suspects < 1464727040 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or at least one of them, at any rate! < 1464727139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, you study slow snakes?? < 1464727168 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was something about python being slow < 1464727209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you work on pypy are you a bradyherpetologist? < 1464727295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for-- that should've been 'tachyherpetologist' < 1464727358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn usual suspects/There are 3.99 usual suspects, but they're usually rounded up. < 1464727365 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «usual suspects» < 1464727393 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Who's the fourth? < 1464727422 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, .99th of the fourth? < 1464727431 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s usual\ suspect wisdom/the\ usual\ suspect < 1464727437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464727494 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: clearly your suspectometer is broken hth < 1464727510 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1464727516 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's not just broken < 1464727519 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spinning wildly < 1464727520 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and screaming < 1464727571 0 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1464727907 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kegtmhoslygmvjpb JOIN :#esoteric < 1464728116 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A horse is a horse, of course, of course. < 1464728121 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Speaking of tautologies.) < 1464728171 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course a horse is a horse. < 1464728180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure that that's true of course. < 1464728184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might need to be proved. < 1464728235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "of course" is a linear logic operator and a comonad. < 1464728247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "of course A" implies "of course of course A". < 1464728258 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a horse is true of a horse but not of a course < 1464728270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olsner < 1464728272 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines. < 1464728368 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1464728370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. < 1464728411 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 funpunnery < 1464728413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaarel < 1464728447 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A horse by any other name would smell as sweet. < 1464728475 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I bothered to search Nepeta Leijon. I am now unsure what, exactly, to say. < 1464728493 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, this placeholder message has been left. < 1464728499 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a file for accounting but it would seem from above they do not have the file of accountant yet? < 1464728516 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: accounting what? < 1464728517 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1464728525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xathrid Gorgon \ 5B \ Creature -- Gorgon \ 3/6 \ Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.) \ {2}{B}, {T}: Put a petrification counter on target creature. It gains defender and becomes a colorless artifact in addition to its other types. Its activated abilities can't be activated. (A creature with defender c < 1464728534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the wisdom file < 1464728541 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you say about nepeta leijon? < 1464728541 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: please go to :image:herald.jpgthe image description page and edit it to include a wikipedia:fair use rationale guidelineexplanation or rationale as to why its use in ' ' fnord' ( unethical offspring) of the page would hurt the island image. < 1464728556 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should reprogram random-card to strip the reminder text so that the other text will fit. < 1464728592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But what if you want to read the reminder text? < 1464728594 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking of auditors (from Discworld), not accountants. < 1464728610 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK then write the one about auditor from Discworld < 1464728635 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure. The remainder text is useful when you take a random card from twenty years of set of crazy keywords. < 1464728643 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then you can use a command-line switch to enable it possibly < 1464728655 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, maybe if it doesn't fit in the output then it could make sense to strip the reminder text < 1464728664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, strip only if it wouldn't fit otherwise < 1464728676 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name benalish hero < 1464728679 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benalish Hero \ W \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/1 \ Banding (Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding you control are blocking or being blocked by a creature, you divide that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among any of the creatures it's bei < 1464728680 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: But now the text won't fit on one message. I think the reminder text is waste space (and isn't always perfectly accurate), because you can look up the rules instead. < 1464728701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not know what a keyword means then you should look up in the rules. < 1464728709 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe... < 1464728817 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: part of the problem is that wizards sometimes omits reminder text from where it would be really useful and would not be distracting, like on Sea's Claim, or like on creatures with protection from a color and not many other abilities (is there even ANY card where protection was printed with a reminder text?). < 1464728863 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sea's Claim is particularly stupid, as it has a reminder text for "Enchant land" which is probably the ability more people would know without reminder text, but no reminder text for "Enchanted land is an Island." which is way more likely to be confusing for players < 1464728876 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think reminder text should always be omitted unless the text is sufficiently unclear due to English is a stupid language perhaps < 1464728907 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no no, if the text is unclear because English is a stupid language, then the ability must be rephrased. don't just fix that with a reminder text. < 1464728957 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixing the ability might be difficult of course, and requires lots of planning ahead with the rules. < 1464728966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that planning ahead is what the rules manager is for. < 1464728968 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case rephrasing is impossible maybe, or if the rephrasing makes it not compatible with the rules of the game < 1464729001 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and if they really can't rephrase, even with fixing the rules, then Wizardse simply doesn't print such a card < 1464729003 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly everything is sufficiently clear even without the reminder text though. < 1464729016 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of potential cards that you can't print for such reason. < 1464729039 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only if you remember all the two hundred obscure old keyworded abilities and action words. < 1464729045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1464729092 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should learn the rules for the keywords used in the set/cube/deck that you are playing, and reference it if you are unsure. < 1464729139 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, for decks I make I totally should learn the rules well, but I can't know in advance what decks other people make, and in the case of `random-card you can get almost any card < 1464729148 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own custom cards do not use reminder text for keywords (in some cases it won't even fit anyways). < 1464729189 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, but the space for the IRC is even less than the space of the cards themself. You can ask for the card with the -r switch to read reminder text perhaps, and/or to use another command to look up a rule. < 1464729289 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, we could do that < 1464729318 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: feel free to modify `random-card and `card-by-name to omit the reminder text < 1464729334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lazy, I won't implement it now < 1464729344 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you implement it, it's fine < 1464729373 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't implement it now either, but possibly later I would do so. < 1464729434 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, I hate Spreading Seas and Sea's Claim for not having the reminder text saying that the enchanted land loses abilities printed on it. And they're good cards and not easily replacable, so I can't just ignore those cards. < 1464729445 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my own custom cards have banding and bands with other (I like those keyword abilities), as well as new keywords, some of which are too complicated to fit in the reminder text, so mine would omit the reminder text. < 1464729463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't care about that. Write on the cards or make proxies if you do care. < 1464729474 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sure, I can use such cards instead that don't use that crazy rule, and preserve the land types and abilities, but that's not the same.) < 1464729528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not so easy to write on the cards, you'd have to rewrite the whole text box probably < 1464729534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clear enough from the rules that it won't keep their abilities or other subtypes, so it is not need the extra text < 1464729563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and sure, banding is a lost cause, it has such complicated rules that the reminder would barely fit a card < 1464729587 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banding is good though. Reminder text is bad though. < 1464729590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the oracle gatherer text is long, and it omits crucial details. < 1464729597 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do like banding, < 1464729622 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just one you don't write on the cards. Just like the planeswalker rules. They weren't written on any of the planeswalkers, not even when they were introduced in Lorwyn. < 1464729629 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the two-faced card rules. < 1464729632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1464729637 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-faced card rues < 1464729643 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shouldn't need to be; they are in the rule book < 1464729735 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banding is a good idea itself, it's just that most of the banding cards they printed are just silly. < 1464729776 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have made some of my own cards with banding which have other things as well, so new combinations are possible. < 1464729802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benalish Hero, the larger banding creatures (multiple elephants, a griffin, and other soldiers), and the Helm are fine; but the bands with others creatures, the tons of cards (in Legends I think) that REMOVE banding from other cards, and that land that gives legends "bands with other legends" are just silly < 1464729819 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of the same situation as with Great Wall < 1464729860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing some of my cards have is stuff like "target creature banded with" or "other creatures banded with". < 1464729926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1464729949 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have added a rule to define what that means.) < 1464730094 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-006-158.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1464730113 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-006-158.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464730266 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-006-158.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1464730346 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.123 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464730541 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-006-158.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1464730715 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I didn't know there were 11 cards printed with Leech creature type. < 1464730752 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you learn. < 1464730909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: By "now" do you mean "before now"? < 1464730960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is irrelevant. < 1464731076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was inevitable. < 1464731200 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, that is what I meant, sorry. < 1464731215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meant by what? < 1464731271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote "irrelevant" instead by mistake < 1464731464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not... zzo38 i was quoting a line from dwarf fortress as a joke, asre you sure it's what you meant to say? < 1464731553 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. Actually I am unsure that either "irrelevant" or "inevitable" is correct, but it seem closer to what I intended < 1464731692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are you a dwarf fortress character? < 1464731746 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that I am not a dwarf fortress < 1464731833 0 :Nithogg_!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464731938 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1464731945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annihilating Fire \ 1RR \ Instant \ Annihilating Fire deals 3 damage to target creature or player. If a creature dealt damage this way would die this turn, exile it instead. \ RTR-C < 1464732006 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464732088 0 :Nithogg_!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1464732104 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1464732107 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hedron-Field Purists \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Cleric \ 0/3 \ Level up {2}{W} ({2}{W}: Put a level counter on this. Level up only as a sorcery.) \ {LEVEL 1-4} 1/4 If a source would deal damage to you or a creature you control, prevent 1 of that damage. \ {LEVEL 5+} 2/5 If a source would deal damage to you or a creature you control, prevent 2 of that < 1464732146 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just barely doesn't fit the irc line. < 1464732185 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is just barely, then it look like removing the reminder text would help. (But in some cases, card texts might not fit even if reminder text is stripped.) < 1464732204 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep, snipping the reminder text would definitely help here < 1464732229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serra's Farmstead {WW} Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant land ;; Enchanted land has "{2}, {T}: Add {W} to your mana pool. You gain 2 life." ;; When ~ comes into play, you gain 1 life. ;; Echo {W} < 1464732272 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card fight < 1464732274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epic Confrontation \ 1G \ Sorcery \ Target creature you control gets +1/+2 until end of turn. It fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.) \ DTK-C < 1464732308 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card imprint < 1464732310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirror Golem \ 6 \ Artifact Creature -- Golem \ 3/4 \ Imprint -- When Mirror Golem enters the battlefield, you may exile target card from a graveyard. \ Mirror Golem has protection from each of the exiled card's card types. (Artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, sorcery, and tribal are card types.) \ MRD-U < 1464732330 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card plane\b < 1464732333 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grove of the Dreampods \ Plane -- Fabacin \ When you planeswalk to Grove of the Dreampods or at the beginning of your upkeep, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. \ Whenever you roll CHAOS, return target creature c < 1464732398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Serra's Farmstead? Do you like the original Farmstead? < 1464732411 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Farmstead < 1464732412 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farmstead \ WWW \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant land \ Enchanted land has "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay {W}{W}. If you do, you gain 1 life." \ A-R, B-R, U-R, RV-R < 1464732416 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that card < 1464732437 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, an old white rare from revised. no wonder I didn't know it < 1464732479 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, the original Farmstead seems very weak < 1464732484 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that's why I haven't heared of it < 1464732492 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think it is weak < 1464732510 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serra's Farmstead is stronger of course, but it sort of seems like too complicated < 1464732782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. What would be the power level of a mono-colored bounce land? Eg. Large Atoll \ Land \ ~ etb tapped. \ When ~ etb, return a land you control to its owner's hand. \ {T}: Add {U}{U} to your mana pool. < 1464732792 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464732818 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1464732875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play lands like that in some decks if they existed, but that doesn't really mean much. < 1464732898 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8302:dcf0:25f5:4ac:8b44:dc2c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464734138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recommend a website like isup.me but that can act on https servers? < 1464734666 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:3518:59a5:8421:3af1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464734769 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464734841 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1464734849 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angband//Angband is Morgoth's second dungeon. When the valar finally defeated Morgoth, they were too lazy to go to for 100% completion, so some evil spirits in Angband survived for a sequel. < 1464735268 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rng < 1464735271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rng? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464735350 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1464735493 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Hail the Fair and Just RNG! < 1464735949 0 :LexiciScriptor!~LexiciScr@net-37-117-85-202.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1464735989 0 :LexiciScriptor!~LexiciScr@net-37-117-85-202.cust.vodafonedsl.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1464736215 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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