2016-05-01: 00:01:51 -!- acertain has joined. 00:02:05 <\oren\> koerjanbanha! 00:03:10 goorening 00:12:40 !zjoust hm < 00:12:41 oerjan.hm: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 00:14:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:16:23 oerjan: So, the setting/update syntax in jq makes the whole thing look more like a sort of optics rather than arrows. 00:18:30 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:19:18 Also, the Kleisli arrow is not sufficient anyway because there are also exceptions. 00:20:19 -!- Caesura has joined. 00:21:57 OKAY 00:22:28 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:23:52 `` jq -cn '[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | (recurse | arrays | .[0] | numbers) |= . + 10' 00:24:46 ​[11,[12,3],4,[[15,6],7]] 00:27:33 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:27:45 The filter on the left of the |= specifies paths, the items at which are updated by piping through the filter on the right. 00:28:53 And apparently the path specification is quite flexible. 00:29:26 `` jq -cn '[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | (recurse | arrays) |= {children: .}' 00:29:28 jq: error (at ): Cannot index object with number 00:30:11 Huh, interesting. 00:31:06 i need a native english speaker: i'm seeing someone in wikipedia using the word "edition" to refer to particular years of a music festival, and that seems wrong to me. but i cannot think of the proper word to use... 00:31:36 alternatively, a confirmation that this is proper usage 00:32:46 * oerjan tries seaching for synonyms 00:33:16 `` jq -cn '[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | ([recurse] | reverse | .[] | arrays) |= {children: .}' 00:33:17 jq: error (at ): Invalid path expression near attempt to access element 10 of [[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]],1,[... 00:33:51 (ok in a pinch i'll accept a non-native english speaker too, if they remember the proper word :P) 00:35:54 version is the only general word but even that feels wrong for a festival 00:36:19 hm synonyms for version, maybe 00:41:25 `` jq -cn 'def recurse_rev(f; cond): def r: (f | select(cond) | r), .; r; [1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | (recurse_rev(.[]?; . != null) | arrays) |= {children: .}' 00:41:27 ​{"children":[1,{"children":[2,3]},4,{"children":[{"children":[5,6]},7]}]} 00:41:38 Hooray! 00:42:34 maybe instance leads somewhere... 00:43:09 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:43:11 oerjan: I’m pretty sure I’ve heard “edition” referring to a festival before. 00:44:09 Melvar: was it said by a native english speaker? because i suspect the paragramph i'm trying to correct was made by an italian. 00:44:13 *-m 00:44:24 I don’t know. 00:44:27 and it may actually be correct in that language. 00:44:38 (edizione can mean broadcast) 00:44:58 i'm getting closer: occasion _might_ work. 00:46:42 hm 00:46:51 otoh i _do_ find other uses. 00:46:59 * oerjan decides to just leave it. 00:47:10 there was enough other grammar to correct, anyway. 00:57:00 *sigh* this only made me annoyed again, especially when thesaurus.com became dog slow... 00:59:15 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 00:59:17 could some of those people who occasionally keep telling me to get a real browser tell me: do either of firefox or gnome have the ability to _completely_ overrule web pages' ability to steal a particular interface shortcut such as left arrow or ctrl-click? 00:59:35 because those are starting to annoy me. 01:00:08 er, 01:00:10 *chrome 01:00:13 sheesh :P 01:00:40 (at least the keys _are_ right next to each other.) 01:01:04 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:02:26 and by "a particular", i mean that it doesn't require shutting off all javascript features or the like. 01:03:51 * oerjan has obviously entered murphy's law mode again, as usual when he loses patience. 01:04:13 time to take a deep breath and relax. 01:05:00 * oerjan thinks murphy's law is just a facet of the law of attraction that happens when you allow yourself to become angry at things 01:05:57 -!- Anarchokawaii has joined. 01:08:47 * oerjan goes back to youtube where this all started and clicks the next song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZijylLTdcWk 01:09:23 I would want the ability to wrap the JavaScript DOM with another JavaScript code 01:13:04 yeah i suppose that would give the ability, although not very user-friendly 01:13:43 in some sense you'd want browser virtualization, right? 01:13:54 Yes, something like that 01:14:52 -!- Frooxius has joined. 01:16:58 @messag 01:16:58 Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages? 01:17:40 @message? 01:17:40 Maybe you meant: messages? messages 01:21:00 @dt ++++++++[->++++++++<]>+. 01:21:00 .hs: 1: 1:Parse error: ++++++++ 01:21:05 @ft ++++++++[->++++++++<]>+. 01:21:05 Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl let id faq do bf @ ? . 01:21:12 @do ++++++++[->++++++++<]>+. 01:21:12 .hs: 1: 1:Parse error: ++++++++ 01:21:18 thought so. 01:25:15 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:34:26 ^echo hi 01:34:26 hi hi 01:44:01 `cat bin/prefixes 01:44:09 ​#!/usr/bin/tail -n1 \ Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 01:44:35 `` tail -n1 bin/prefixes >wisdom/prefixes 01:44:41 No output. 01:44:44 `? prefixes 01:44:48 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 01:45:09 `mkx bin/prefixes/\? prefixes 01:45:12 usage: mk[x] file//contents 01:45:14 oops 01:45:18 `mkx bin/prefixes//\? prefixes 01:45:22 bin/prefixes 01:45:25 `prefixes 01:45:26 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 01:46:48 there, one less syntax confusion to have to distinguish 01:55:18 hm it's getting warmer tomorrow 01:55:23 @metar ENVA 01:55:23 ENVA 302350Z 12010KT 080V140 9999 SCT055 BKN110 10/01 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 14012KT 01:56:22 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:57:13 @help defined 01:57:13 help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands 01:57:17 @defin 01:57:17 Define what? 01:57:29 @help def 01:57:29 help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands 01:57:32 @help define 01:57:32 let = . Add a binding 01:58:47 @tell int-e you know, it'd be more useful if @help did spelling corrections... 01:58:47 Consider it noted. 01:59:59 @tell int-e admittedly, that would ruin the challenge. 01:59:59 Consider it noted. 02:00:08 -!- Caesura has joined. 02:01:57 :t \p m -> maybe True p m == all p m 02:01:58 (a -> Bool) -> Maybe a -> Bool 02:04:30 @check \f x -> map f x == x 02:04:32 +++ OK, passed 100 tests. 02:04:51 * oerjan whistles innocently 02:05:11 if there just were anyone here to get confused. 02:06:46 Who do you want to confuse? 02:08:12 anyone who needs a flabbergasting 02:08:21 -!- acertain has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:12:27 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:13:18 @check \x y -> x ++ y == y ++ x 02:13:20 +++ OK, passed 100 tests. 02:32:39 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:35:38 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 02:35:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:54:07 -!- acertain has joined. 03:24:52 . o O ( ^def codeword ul (WOULD YOU LIKE SOME CANDY?)S ) 04:00:13 `addquote let's force all arabs to adopt more reasonable orthography quintopia: No that is not the correct solution zzo38: oh. okay. thanks. 04:01:23 1279) let's force all arabs to adopt more reasonable orthography quintopia: No that is not the correct solution zzo38: oh. okay. thanks. 04:08:04 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:20:56 -!- jefrite has joined. 05:00:48 I wrote a lot more of UTCE specification (including parts of the encoding tables), although it is still far from completed 05:00:58 You can read what I have so far 05:06:27 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 05:16:10 -!- shikhin has changed nick to yt. 05:16:15 -!- yt has changed nick to shikhin. 05:29:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:53:55 Hm... 05:54:03 I want to make a practical compiled language 05:54:18 But I want it to have nice new features 05:54:28 e.g. array programming in a C-like language 06:12:46 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:14:39 -!- Anarchokawaii has left. 06:16:33 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:22:55 dat feeling when you fix a bug thats been bothering you for days 06:36:03 Ugh... 06:36:28 I've tried and retried to get a GCC cross-compiler working so many times that I'm beginning to understand the commands I'm executing 06:36:40 This sucks... 06:52:48 The communist hands are: royal flush, ace-high straight containing all suits, four of a kind and an ace, four aces and a king. 06:56:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:13:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:14:55 -!- etherealyn has joined. 07:17:39 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:20:51 -!- etherealyn has left ("Leaving"). 07:29:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:39:30 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:42:34 @tell boily ][>:=~+ 07:42:34 Consider it noted. 07:45:37 hppavilion[1]: fancy hairstyle 08:27:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:27:30 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 08:42:56 -!- gamemanj has joined. 08:43:14 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 08:44:36 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:47:30 *looks at prices of static RAM chips* for some reason I don't think BytePusher will be getting an implementation in hardware for quite a while... 08:49:47 doing a quick search for a dynamic RAM shows the closest thing is a VG3617801CT (2MiB)... 8 of them would be needed, and: it's a dynamic RAM anyway! 08:55:48 BytePusher hardware would still need some kind of adding because it is using instructions which cannot be aligned. 08:56:11 It needs an increment, yes. 08:56:27 And it needs... let me think... 08:57:18 3 A Address read clocks (DDR means 1.5 but let's ignore that for now), 3 B Address read clocks, 2 clocks for R/W, 3 more clocks for jump address... 08:57:50 And this is assuming a simple model of "memory takes 1 clock" (which is reasonable since every cycle does a memory access) 08:58:16 (well, every... ok, the point is, every single time whatever magical "do stuff" signal happens, a memory access happens) 08:58:50 Oh, except every 65536 instructions, the CPU has to be disconnected from the memory bus for video and audio hardware... 09:00:02 To be honest, the only nice thing about BytePusher by the look of this is that the 216-colour palette leaves room for "special signal values" when doing sprites. 09:00:24 Except, of course, that's if you're writing a program, not if playing around with the idea of building hardware. 09:02:52 -!- augur has joined. 09:04:54 Because then the 216-colour palette means you need memory for some sort of conversion table (division is hard) 09:05:09 * gamemanj sighs 09:05:41 I don't think BytePusher will be getting a hardware version anytime soon 09:06:03 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:07:32 (And whatever hardware it's built with has to be capable of transferring, as a conservative estimate, 45MiB per second.) 09:12:05 (At least I worked out how on earth to keep the dynamic RAM refreshing if need be. Last I read it was operated in pages, and luckily audio is a consistent set of 256 accesses sprinkled into a frame, so just make the lowest byte of an address the page, and disable output on all but 1 chip but still cause the accesses. Requires the layout of the memory to be x-chips-per-MiB, though.) 09:13:54 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:15:58 (Ah. Wikipedia explains it as being divided into rows, and all bits in a row are read at the same time. So, use chips with 256 or lower amount of "rows", and the audio cycles can handle refresh.) 09:16:18 (Except that also requires that the chips are OK with being refreshed 60 times per second, no more.) 09:17:29 (..."often 64 ms". Way more than enough time.) 09:18:11 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:57:51 -!- Reece` has joined. 10:09:39 -!- gremlins has joined. 10:11:00 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:12:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:15:49 -!- Reece` has joined. 10:16:57 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:20:29 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:50:10 -!- gremlins has joined. 10:51:06 gamemanj: your estimate is a bit off: for each instruction, you need to read 9 bytes; then you need to read and write a byte (random access) for the data, and then another 3 bytes to update the PC... so that's already 14 bytes... the hardware also has to deal with reading the pixels for display, so 65536 * 15 B * 60/s ~ 60MiB/s... 10:51:57 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:51:59 @tell oerjan I think the problem is with people who deliberately misspell commands. 10:51:59 Consider it noted. 10:52:17 @tall gamemanj unknown height 10:52:17 You can tell yourself! 10:56:30 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:58:37 int-e: I'd like for every @ping misspelling to change the "pong" reply in an analogous way. 11:00:16 -!- Reece` has joined. 11:05:06 -!- gremlins has joined. 11:05:15 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:15:03 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:20:25 -!- Reece` has joined. 11:25:16 -!- gremlins has joined. 11:26:36 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:29:45 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:58:04 -!- mroman has joined. 11:59:01 I hate incosistent websites. 11:59:38 So anyway, the next task of the League Of Evil Typesetters: Create a typesetting tool that works inconsistently on websites... 11:59:46 ...but completely cosistently. 11:59:53 also why are window.close events still a thing 12:00:58 "Do you want to close this website" "I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THAT WEBSITE BUT SINCE I CAN NOT DO THAT PLEASE LET ME AT LEAST CLOSE MY WINDOW" 12:02:17 gamemanj: Consistently inconsistent? 12:02:40 FreeFull: "consistent" "cosistent" 12:02:56 Ah, cosistently inconsistent 12:03:30 Except that "cosistent" doesn't seem to be anything other than a misspelling =P 12:04:52 no, it's the inversive of cosistent 12:05:01 and a cosistent has something to do with cosinus 12:06:21 co-sistent? 12:07:34 ... 12:07:55 so does that mean mroman hates consistent websites, or... 12:07:57 I have no idea 12:15:13 -!- tromp_ has joined. 12:19:49 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:43:45 mroman: did you miss the point where we no longer build websites... but web applications? of course you want to display "you've modified your data, did you want to save it?" dialogs. 12:46:26 int-e: Why not just move data about "live" if it's a "it must stay connected" app, 12:46:35 int-e: or save the data to local storage... 12:47:09 Even better, have an in-built revision control system. No need to do a diff, you have the edits being streamed in from your app's frontend... 12:47:37 View <-> RCS (Storage + RCS functions) <-> Storage 12:48:41 because it's much easier to just display a popup and then lose the data 12:49:55 To my mind the mistake is completely captured by the term "application" in "web application". You can make improvements from that premise, but you wont end up with anything good. 12:50:11 * int-e hates the versioned web, obviously. 12:51:34 (and I say "versioned" because I'm not sure whether we still call it 2.0) 13:03:48 Web 2.b 13:05:11 I like to call it Web math.sin(os.time() / (60 * 60 * 24)) + 1 13:05:20 hang on, sorry, messed up there 13:05:44 I like to call it Web 1.9507776867409 13:07:06 (alternately, if you like to discriminate based on time but not date: math.sin((os.time() / (60 * 60 * 24)) * 6.28318) + 1 ) 13:09:38 gamemanj: I think you meant cos 13:09:45 Nooooooo 13:09:50 who knows 13:09:55 does it matter? 13:10:04 it's just a difference in alignment 13:10:17 and I really didn't care about which values came out 13:10:46 Ah, I was thinking that os.time() / (60 * 60 * 24) would give a really small value, but that must be just my tiredness 13:11:08 oh, it's meant to give a really small value at the right time 13:11:17 such as the epoch 13:11:33 ...actually, that's it 13:11:36 that's the only time 13:11:53 the day after the epoch it'll be 1 13:13:27 use + 2 instead of + at the end if you really think the whole universe is at least web 1.0 13:13:37 (correction: instead of + 1) 13:14:03 but I doubt using + 3 is anywhere near correct 13:23:02 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Page closed). 13:39:31 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:49:17 -!- wifi_qjh has joined. 13:50:15 how are you 13:51:01 -!- wifi_qjh has left. 13:51:24 ? 13:55:41 saw the topic, perhaps 14:08:53 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:28:13 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:35:06 -!- jasa has joined. 14:36:22 -!- jasa has left ("Leaving"). 14:56:59 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 14:59:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:02:14 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 15:09:26 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:14:14 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:37:21 -!- boily has joined. 16:29:57 <\oren\> bohayoily! 16:33:56 <\oren\> ok, when did someone invent a kanji form for ぐぐる 16:35:24 probably long ago? 16:35:29 \oren\: people invent kanji for everything 16:36:22 <\oren\> gamemanj: what you're missing here is the verb "guguru" (to google) ewas inventd very recently 16:36:55 that'll have done a number on the Unicode people 16:37:06 \oren\: yes, but I think some people think there should be kanji for everything, even for words that are normally always written in kana 16:40:39 -!- Caesura has joined. 16:45:45 <\oren\> http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12136872052 oh I forgot to post what I was reading 16:46:57 <\oren\> so yeah some aouthor decided that 繰繰る is a good way to spell it 16:47:22 <\oren\> it doesn't seem to be common however 16:54:13 ＼コレンにちは＼！ 16:54:19 * boily likes bohayoily 16:54:24 @massages-loud 16:54:24 hppavilion[1] said 9h 11m 49s ago: ][>:=~+ 16:54:40 @ask hppavilion[1] eh? 16:54:40 Consider it noted. 16:55:50 繰 [JIS] 372B [Uni] 7e70 [部首] 120 [教育] 8 [画数] 19 [音] ソウ [訓] く.る [名] くり [英] winding; reel; spin; turn (pages); look up; refer to 16:56:07 ↑ it has "look up" and "refer to" in its definitions. makes sense. 16:57:10 `relcome Caesura 16:57:21 good morning 16:58:04 ​Caesura: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:58:29 first time here? 17:01:42 nah 17:01:44 -!- Caesura has changed nick to Kaynato. 17:01:51 my irc client renames me automatically, sometimes 17:02:49 `dao >S< 17:02:52 No output. 17:03:07 I noticed a tiny segfaulting program in daoyu, recently 17:03:17 Kaynatello, Cællosura! 17:03:37 `dao $()>:S< 17:03:40 Segmentation fault 17:03:52 `lua "\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01" 17:03:53 lua: cannot open "\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01": No such file or directory 17:04:01 * boily is happy to code in unsegfaulting languages 17:04:10 ``lua -e "\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01" 17:04:12 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `lua: not found 17:04:14 it's strange, since it doesn't segfault on my computer 17:04:23 `` lua -e "print(\"\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01\")" 17:04:25 ​.ACTION falls asleep. 17:04:25 I do not know where this is occuring... 17:04:28 ``gdb 17:04:31 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `gdb: not found 17:04:36 HackEgo really does not want to fall asleep. 17:04:52 Where can I open valgrind? 17:05:13 HackEgo is eternal. HackEgo does not sleep. All Hail HackEgo (except when hailing fungot). 17:05:13 boily: i know someone who happens to know 17:05:34 fungot: of course you know. you're our All-Seing Eye. 17:05:35 boily: you want to do quotas for memory. akin to fnord you have no fingerprints on a camera? ( i was talking 17:06:00 Kaynato: well, there is one way... download the binary for dao, hope it runs, then replicate the results locally? 17:06:09 Kaynato: (Note: Probably not a good idea) 17:06:35 I've been compiling the same here.... 17:07:13 Kaynato: Should that print "001"? 17:07:20 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 17:07:42 Yes 17:07:55 Then it's probably not the same bitness issue that previous one was. 17:08:05 (Because that's what it does locally for me.) 17:08:10 Yet it segfaults from here, which is strange 17:09:23 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:09:30 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 17:09:53 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:14:08 -!- boily has quit (Quit: STARRY CHICKEN). 17:14:14 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:17:51 -!- zgrep has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:20:11 -!- zgrep has joined. 17:57:01 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:02:00 `wisdom 18:02:02 `? endian 18:02:07 `? eggian 18:02:39 eggian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:02:43 endian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:02:45 meta/meta is about 18:03:02 `? random 18:03:05 random? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:03:15 `? password 18:03:17 The password of the month is supercalifragilisticexpialidociouszU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ (There. Compromise.) 18:03:52 `? jq 18:03:54 jq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:04:01 `? tribble 18:04:05 tribble? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:08:32 `le/rn tribble/99 tribbles on the wall, take one down, pass it around, 117 tribbles on the wall. 18:08:38 Learned «tribble» 18:09:22 heh 18:36:38 wat 18:42:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:52:19 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 18:52:55 that makes no sense... 19:00:08 [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46897&oldid=46896 * H3LL * (+0) /* Confusion */ 19:01:11 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46898&oldid=46897 * H3LL * (+1) 19:02:46 Tribbles are born pregnant and have an average litter of 10 19:03:31 so, how do you end up at 117? 19:05:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:06:56 For example, by having -- while the one was being passed around -- two of the wall-tribbles give birth, to litters of sizes 7 and 11, respectively. 19:07:12 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:07:48 why only two of them? 19:08:01 Why not? It doesn't take that long to pass a tribble around, I don't think. 19:08:13 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 19:16:47 -!- gremlins has joined. 19:17:39 They give birth every hour too iirc 19:18:03 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:24:26 -!- impomatic_ has joined. 19:25:09 So you could argue it likely takes something like one and a half minutes to pass one around, if two gave birth during that time. 19:30:06 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:30:38 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 19:32:45 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:45:51 [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46899&oldid=46898 * H3LL * (-1) /* Comparison operator */ 19:50:40 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:01:03 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:07:10 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:08:16 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 20:17:00 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:17:06 [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46900&oldid=46876 * LegionMammal978 * (+21) /* C */ 20:26:27 -!- gremlins has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 20:30:44 [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46901&oldid=46899 * H3LL * (+403) /* Example programs */ 21:07:44 `? spoon 21:07:46 `? cake 21:08:52 The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake. 21:08:52 spoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:10:10 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:14:01 `? secret 21:14:04 secret? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:14:29 `` touch wisdom/secret; chmod 000 wisdom/secret 21:14:43 No output. 21:14:52 `? secret 21:14:56 secret? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:15:11 -!- boily has joined. 21:15:18 `` ls -la wisdom/secret 21:15:22 ls: cannot access wisdom/secret: No such file or directory 21:15:49 oh, perhaps mercurial had trouble with that would-be commit 21:17:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:18:26 `` chmod 000 wisdom/cake 21:18:28 No output. 21:18:29 `` hg log -l 1 21:18:33 changeset: 7637:62e9db64acb2 \ tag: tip \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun May 01 17:08:36 2016 +0000 \ summary: le/rn tribble/99 tribbles on the wall, take one down, pass it around, 117 tribbles on the wall. 21:20:05 `? cake 21:20:07 cat: cake: Permission denied 21:20:26 oh 21:20:28 `rm canary 21:20:30 No output. 21:20:31 `? cake 21:20:36 cat: cake: Permission denied 21:20:41 interesting. 21:20:54 what are you guys doing to that poor HackEgo again? 21:20:54 `cat canary 21:20:55 ​*tsjørp* 21:20:58 what the hell is this canary thing about? 21:20:59 `` chmod 000 canary 21:21:02 No output. 21:21:16 myname: mynamello. it's a canary hth 21:21:33 it does canary things 21:21:36 myname: as a clue, try deleting it 21:21:45 then try deleting it and something else at the same time 21:21:47 i know the error on revert 21:21:53 `` rm canary; list 21:21:55 but... why? 21:22:29 fungot: help! 21:22:30 int-e: i can understand a fnord approach for really trivial stuff, who cares. we have just delayed their construction so that their kids can still make off it 21:22:38 hppavilion[1] Phantom_Hoover int-e b_jonas boily a`a`a`a`jo7as a`a`a`a`jo8as a`a`a`a`jo3as a`a`a`a`jo6as a`a`a`a`jo5as a`a`a`a`jo4as a`a`a`a`jo2as a`a`a`a`jo1as a`a`a`a`jonas0 a`a`a`a lambdabot chicken_jonas myname 21:22:42 here's a bigger clue 21:22:42 fungot: who cares, hackego's slow... 21:22:42 int-e: i don't think they look very like latin x nowadays, too.) 21:22:44 Yes? 21:22:53 `` rm * 21:23:00 rm: cannot remove `bin': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `cdescs': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `emoticons': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `esobible': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `etc': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `evil': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `factor': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `good': Is a directo 21:23:03 `ls 21:23:07 ​^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share \ Someth 21:23:14 myname: figured it out yet? 21:23:28 `` rm canary wisdom/cake 21:24:01 i don't get what's special about canary 21:24:27 HackEgo: you're supposed to say "No output." here... 21:24:30 rm: remove write-protected regular file `wisdom/cake'? 21:24:34 oh. 21:24:41 `` rm -f canary wisdom/cake 21:24:46 No output. 21:24:51 `? cake 21:24:59 The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake. 21:25:09 @massages-lud 21:25:09 boily asked 4h 30m 29s ago: eh? 21:25:47 `wisdom 21:25:47 `wisdom 21:25:48 `wisdom 21:25:49 `wisdom 21:25:49 `wisdom 21:26:04 boily: ][>:=~+ 21:26:20 `ls -la canary 21:26:31 is it some sort of built-in protection to revert any command that deletes everything? 21:26:43 hppavilion[1]: hppavellon[1]. ???????? 21:26:51 boily: *sigh* 21:26:53 boily: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=177 21:27:12 ah! heh :D 21:27:19 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Orso * New user account 21:27:36 No output. 21:28:09 b_jonas: b_jhellonas. it protects. may be related to SCP-███ hth. 21:28:14 boily: It's not funny. 21:28:20 boily: It's tragic 21:29:07 boily: ah 21:29:20 huh? 21:29:26 No output. 21:29:28 No output. 21:29:28 ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 21:29:30 l/L is far too short to be a village in Wales. 21:29:30 brainf**k/There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinking of brainfuck. 21:29:35 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46902&oldid=46901 * H3LL * (+0) /* Accessing to the registries */ 21:29:43 wat 21:30:00 it's a stew, usually eaten with injera. 21:30:17 `` env | grep IRC 21:30:21 No output. 21:31:15 i don't understand a word 21:31:39 What kinds of things would Mad Scientific Computing use? 21:35:09 hppavilion[1]: Gluten extract! 21:35:18 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/src/99a9363fd27d9e56c99361e6f780dff8ac18e2f1/multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd?at=default#tr_60.cmd-89 21:38:03 but... why? 21:38:20 -!- shikhin has changed nick to FireyFly. 21:38:27 myname: SCIENCE DOES NOT CONCERN ITSELF WITH "WHY"! 21:38:35 -!- zgrep has changed nick to FireFIy. 21:38:50 hppavilion[1]: why are you saying that? 21:39:03 int-e: BECAUSE... SCIENCE! 21:39:04 I'm like 90% sure that's what science is, just asking why a bunch of times 21:39:16 Hoolootwo: That's philosophy 21:39:21 * gamemanj gets out popcorn and marshmallows 21:39:35 Anyone want to roast marshmallows on the flames of the flame war? 21:39:35 Hoolootwo: Science is "what" and "how", but not "why" 21:39:37 science is "why", engineering is "how", management is "when". 21:39:39 Also, there's popcorn. 21:39:48 oh I guess I confused why with how 21:39:51 maple flavour popcorn. 21:39:59 i,i one-dimensional mathematics does not concern itself with "why" 21:40:02 Why does the apple fall from the tree? 21:40:03 boily: Ah, sorry, I only have toffee here. 21:40:25 Hmm... 21:40:38 * gamemanj gives boily the bag of popcorn, and grabs some maple syrup 21:40:42 int-e: I can build you an apple faller machine. 21:40:46 -!- FireyFly has changed nick to hcwddeh. 21:40:54 boily: sounds interesting 21:40:54 shachaf: lol 21:41:01 that's engineering now 21:41:03 * gamemanj then pours the syrup all over the popcorn, so the bag of popcorn is also filled with syrup 21:41:14 -!- hcwddeh has changed nick to shikhin. 21:41:19 there 21:41:30 maple(-syrup) flavoured popcorn 21:41:35 with extra syrup 21:41:44 hppavilion[1]: anyway, science is all about "why"... "why should I spend my time on listening to your ideas rather than theirs?" 21:41:50 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46903&oldid=46902 * H3LL * (+29) 21:42:39 * gamemanj meanwhile gets a stick, impales an innocent marshmallow onto it, and then puts it into the flames of the debate 21:42:57 And this is practicalism! 21:43:32 Hmm... probably should've gotten a second marshmallow... 21:43:33 -!- FireFIy has changed nick to zgrep. 21:43:51 * gamemanj takes the marshmallow out of the flames, and waits for it to cool down 21:44:25 Given how long that was, it'll probably be nice and crispy by now 21:44:45 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:45:15 Anyway, int-e, you realize that's closer to management? "why should I spend my time on listening to your ideas when I can just fire you?" 21:45:46 Two sides, same coin! 21:45:54 * gamemanj noms the marshmallow 21:55:23 it hurts but there's some truth to it 21:55:39 I guess there's "management" in "time management" too... 21:59:05 -!- jefrite has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 22:04:17 fungot: nostril. 22:04:17 boily: the second is something that can't be expressed with syntax-rules? 22:04:47 The Nostril that can be expressed through syntax-rules is not the True Nostril. 22:05:48 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:07:14 also, seconds can't be expressed via syntax-rules either last I checked 22:07:29 Depends, do you prefer ice cream or tomatoes? 22:07:39 ...ok, not that kind of seconds, time :) 22:11:27 -!- centrinia has joined. 22:11:43 helloily 22:11:58 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:18:37 [wiki] [[Talk:Confusion]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46904 * Quintopia * (+314) Created talk page 22:21:33 quinthellopia 22:38:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:46:43 phantom_helloover 22:47:48 hello quintopia 22:49:03 `? nostril 22:49:09 nostril? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:50:19 > sum [sin phi^3 | phi <- [0,0.1..pi]] / 10 -- amazed how close this comes to 4/3 22:50:21 1.333333524920473 22:57:57 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:58:00 didn't we have a nostril entry? 23:03:09 -!- ais523|netcat has joined. 23:05:26 -!- ais523|netcat has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:05:53 -!- ais523|netcat has joined. 23:10:14 I now seem to have to build grub 23:10:18 I think I've figured out how 23:10:44 hppavilion[1]: err, what are you trying to do? (also your nick is annoying to type without tab complete) 23:11:01 ais523|netcat: Yay for annoyingness! 23:11:02 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:11:04 ais523|netcat: OS dev. 23:11:21 oh, that makes sense 23:11:22 ais523|netcat: the wiki says I need grub, so I got the source from the ftp.gnu.org 23:11:25 in a VM, I hope? 23:11:31 ais523|netcat: Yes, of course xD 23:11:55 also I guess there's a case to be used for using UEFI as the bootloader nowadays rather than GRUB (for example, Linux is bootable like this) 23:11:57 ais523|netcat: And now I'm just following the configure/make/install process that is permanently burned into my corneas 23:13:26 -!- ais523|netcat has quit (Quit: trying out an "upgraded client"). 23:14:17 -!- ais523|rlwrap has joined. 23:16:14 * hppavilion[1] hopes that he isn't doing it the stupid way 23:16:32 * hppavilion[1] waited to send that message until ais523|rlwrap (or ais523 of any variety) came back online 23:17:06 I'm in the middle of a distro upgrade 23:17:31 things are breaking randomly, including most of my GUI programs (surprisingly, Firefox is holding up just fine, but qwebirc isn't working on it for some reason) 23:18:30 what distro 23:18:37 Ubuntu 23:18:42 hppavilion: what? you don't have to build grub. just use a pre-built binary. 23:18:58 ais523|rlwrap: that's why you gotta nixos hth 23:19:18 people actually use nixos? 23:22:00 b_jonas: On windows? Can't find any 23:22:21 b_jonas: I'm trying to get grub-mkrescue, and "grub" was the only directory on the gnu ftp that seemed like it might have that. 23:22:41 * hppavilion[1] braces for impact 23:23:36 hppavilion[1]: there are grub binaries you can write on a floppy or cd or usb drive or something, and boot from them, and install grub that way 23:23:36 b_jonas: What am I doing wrong? 23:23:42 the windows thing doesn't matter 23:23:59 b_jonas: I'm using an emulator. I don't even /have/ a floppy disk drive (or a cd drive, for that matter) 23:24:14 b_jonas: And is grub the program that'll get me grub-mkrescue? 23:25:37 hppavilion[1]: what? an emulator makes it EASIER to have a floppy drive these days 23:25:46 b_jonas: Um, huh? 23:25:59 b_jonas: By "floppy disk" you mean an actual floppy disk, correct? The thing made out of matter? 23:25:59 I don't have a hardware floppy drive in this house (although I could buy one), but I have a floppy drive in emulated machines 23:25:59 I own a USB floppy drive, and have used it on occasoin 23:26:06 b_jonas: Ah 23:26:24 hppavilion[1]: but it doesn't have to be a floppy, it can be a cd or dvd or a pendrive 23:26:31 i still don't get why you need to compile anything if you want to use it in a vm 23:26:33 hppavilion[1]: you just need a different image than for floppy drive 23:26:35 b_jonas: But you haven't answered my question. 23:27:16 hppavilion[1]: for an emulated machine, you don't need an actual hardware floppy disk. to boot a hardware machine (not en emulated one), you'd use a real floppy disk or a real cd or dvd 23:27:20 myname: According to the os dev wiki (wiki.osdev.org), I need grub-mkrescue to boot the kernel (or maybe to make it bootable, not sure which, haven't gotten that far yet) 23:27:39 the only reason to compile grub on windows is to actually use grub for booting windows 23:27:44 which i assume you won't 23:27:46 myname: Yes, for "Building a bootable cdrom image" 23:27:54 myname: So is grub not the thing with grub-mkrescue? 23:28:00 myname: GRUB doesn't boot Windows, it chain-loads it 23:28:13 grub is a thung that lets you boot oses first of all 23:28:19 ais523|rlwrap: yeah 23:28:19 myname: Yes, I knew that 23:28:40 but it still doesn't make any sense to build grub on windows instead of loading a binary 23:28:48 myname: It was the first thing that came to mind 23:29:02 myname: I assume that GRUB binaries are OS-agnostic? 23:29:03 that may be because you can't linux 23:29:20 ais523|rlwrap: that's the point 23:29:38 ais523|rlwrap: sort of 23:29:52 there are os-agnostic binaries to download and he just compiles stuff on a windows machine 23:29:57 doesn't make sense 23:30:06 ais523|rlwrap: there's the grub you boot from bios or stuff, but there are also versions of grub you boot from an operating system, like one you boot from linux and one you boot from dos 23:30:44 well yeah, but then again: there are binaries for grib4dos 23:30:46 ais523|rlwrap: the latter kind are useful for installers that run under an operating system, because they're used to install the first kind of grub to your machine without having to reboot to run the first kind of grub 23:30:56 ais523|rlwrap: but if you're installing grub by hand, then I recommend the former 23:31:24 (The grub running from dos is also useful because it can actually boot an operating system. The grub under linux doesn't do that.) 23:31:31 what are the former and latter? I can't find it in scrollback 23:31:47 (mostly because I can't easily find anything in scrollback with this client) 23:31:57 ais523|rlwrap: former is the grub you boot from bios, the latter is grub running under an operating system as a process 23:32:03 I feel like Vorpal :-P 23:32:22 I didn't realise that GRUB could run inside an OS 23:33:00 ais523|rlwrap: linux installers often run grub on linux 23:33:10 ais523|rlwrap: that grub can't boot anything, but it can install grub 23:33:14 which is why they run it 23:33:22 (well, it can usually install grub. there are ways it can go wrong.) 23:33:26 yo dawg 23:33:32 i heard you like grub 23:33:55 I know that GRUB's installer can run on Linux, but normally I consider the installer to be separate from the program itself 23:34:08 ais523|rlwrap: it's basically the same program, with some parts replaced 23:34:37 ais523|rlwrap: and there's a grub running under dos which can actually boot operating systems, but that's easier because you know DOS 23:35:14 well GRUB running under UEFI can boot OSes too, and that's actually a common configuration 23:35:24 but UEFI is somewhere between an OS and a BIOS in terms of functionality 23:35:34 ais523|rlwrap: yep, the grub under DOS is a strange eso-beast 23:35:42 I don't recommend actually using it 23:35:47 to boot a linux from dos, I recommend loadlin 23:36:12 either that, or just reboot from dos into bios 23:36:16 strange eso-beasts are the sort of thing we love here though 23:36:25 ais523|rlwrap: yes, I know 23:36:41 I've been looking into EFI a bunch, been considering writing my own rEFIt-alike 23:36:47 but with end to end security 23:36:51 (like termbot, which runs dos in irc) 23:36:54 Secure Boot is weird, though 23:37:16 in particular, there's an issue under Linux atm where the recommended API for setting Secure Boot variables is capable of creating new ones 23:37:27 but not changing the value of existing ones, even if you have permission to do so 23:37:42 I'm hoping that the current Ubuntu upgrade will fix that 23:39:46 `forth hex bl a + emit 23:39:48 ​* 23:39:49 That's allegedly a good idea, because "blat" (bl a +) is mnemonical for *. 23:40:31 `echo this is a test of what HackEgo's invisible characters look like 23:40:32 this is a test of what HackEgo's invisible characters look like 23:40:43 huh, there weren't any 23:40:53 yes there are 23:40:55 at least, that I could see 23:40:59 fizzie: uh what? 23:41:04 and I'm using cat -v 23:41:06 well, it's invisible 23:41:29 right, but I thought cat -v didn't understand Unicode 23:41:38 yo kat 23:41:41 in which case it wouldn't know they were meant to be invisible and thus would visify them 23:42:24 ais523|rlwrap: There's no invisible characters for ^[a-z]. 23:42:28 Or some-such. 23:42:35 Try starting with, say, >. 23:42:48 wat 23:43:06 `echo > 2 23:43:08 ​> 2 23:43:14 right, now I see them 23:43:23 ah 23:43:24 `echo lambdabot: @help 23:43:25 lambdabot: @help 23:43:25 help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands 23:43:33 Well, it's not perfect. :) 23:43:34 err 23:43:45 wait no, that did get lambdabot to respond 23:43:53 I thought I'd forgotten the @echo 23:43:57 `le/rn wat/ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው። 23:44:05 Relearned «wat» 23:44:08 hmm, did someone mention yolo? maybe one day I should bring termbot here. only I should change its invocation character to something different. 23:44:18 how does @where work? 23:44:23 so, if we build a two-step quine for lambdabot and hackego we might botspam? 23:44:27 * boily hates his latex guts. let's see how I can make that one work... 23:44:28 I've got the botloop urge again 23:44:32 because backtick clashes with hackego 23:44:59 b_jonas: bring in your bot for great good! 23:45:00 myname: lambdabot's bot-loop prevention is more robust, I think. 23:45:08 b_jonas: please note that ~ is mine hth 23:45:14 @where ais523 23:45:14 I know nothing about ais523. 23:45:20 @help where 23:45:20 where . Return element associated with key 23:45:25 what do you think I should use for the invocation character? right square bracket maybe, because I used that for evalj? 23:45:26 boily: IMHO, if LaTeX makes it difficult to print a character, it's pretty shitty system. 23:45:29 or yen sign? 23:45:37 @help set 23:45:37 help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands 23:45:47 (because in some ascii-like character sets yen sign is in the palce of backtick) 23:45:49 @list 23:45:49 What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. 23:45:56 @help list 23:45:57 list [module|command]. Show commands for [module] or the module providing [command]. 23:46:05 @list where 23:46:05 where provides: where url what where+ 23:46:24 but if I bring termbot here, then you'll be very angry at me 23:46:27 and kick me out of here 23:46:32 so it's really a yolo thing 23:47:08 @where+ ais523test `indirecho PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:47:08 Done. 23:47:14 With all the bots, there should probably be a bot allocating prefixes. 23:47:16 @where ais523test 23:47:16 `indirecho PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:47:18 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: indirecho: not found 23:47:35 fizzie: no no, it should be a distributed protocol with no central bot 23:47:53 `mk/x bin/PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/indirecho echo "$@" 23:47:54 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/mk/x: No such file or directory 23:48:00 `mkx bin/PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/indirecho echo "$@" 23:48:02 usage: mk[x] file//contents 23:48:02 hppavilion[1]: some people switched from LaTeX to one of the newer macro systems with full Unicode support out-of-the-hbox, but I stick with the one I know. 23:48:02 fizzie: only a meta-channel where the bots argue with each other about the prefixes 23:48:08 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:48:09 hppavilion[1]: sentimental attachment and all that. 23:48:20 `mkx bin/PRIVMSG//bin/indirecho echo "$@" 23:48:25 bin/PRIVMSG 23:48:34 boily: Only full unicode support? Lame. 23:48:43 `mkx bin/indirecho//echo "$@" 23:48:50 bin/indirecho 23:48:58 `indirecho test 1 test 2 23:48:59 test 1 test 2 23:49:06 @where ais523test 23:49:06 `indirecho PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:49:07 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:49:10 `echo(echo(echo(echo))) 23:49:12 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: echo(echo(echo(echo))): not found 23:49:33 wow, this is confusing, I'm dealing with two levels of escaping at once 23:49:58 @where+ ais523test `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:49:58 Okay. 23:50:04 @where ais523test 23:50:04 `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:50:06 lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:50:07 `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:50:08 lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:50:08 `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test 23:50:08 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +q *!*@162.248.166.242. 23:50:24 `rm bin/indirecho 23:50:31 Tht would've been simpler. 23:50:33 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -q *!*@162.248.166.242. 23:50:38 as for termbot, I should add a simple wrapper script to it that compiles and runs a C program 23:50:48 ;I 23:50:53 I wrote an echo wrapper for a reason :-P 23:50:56 as in, a program you type as an argument 23:51:22 also I thought lambdabot had anti-botloop protection which caused it to temporarily part (quit?) if it thought it was in a botloop 23:51:36 nah, it won't work 23:51:44 b_jonas: ? 23:51:46 the problme is that dos has a really short limit on command line length 23:52:01 ais523|rlwrap: But halting problem etc. 23:52:35 huh, are codu's logs working? 23:52:35 bot loops, hah! 23:52:40 you don't need bot loops for termbot 23:52:43 that's the whole point 23:52:48 termbot is noisy all alone 23:53:02 `palpatine 23:53:03 I've pretty much lost track of this channel 23:53:03 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: palpatine: not found 23:53:05 like, you can type it a six character long command to make it emit pages of junk 23:53:17 but stalker mode isn't showing recent messages 23:53:28 ais523|rlwrap: They've been broken for a while, I think. 23:53:45 ais523|rlwrap: Gregor's been equally absent, and glogbot (or whatever the name was) isn't here. 23:53:49 right, not showing anything since April 23:53:57 what about glogbackup? Also missing? 23:54:00 Also. 23:54:33 Also I think you're right, and it did have a "part if in a loop" heuristic, but it seems to take at least 5 repetitions to activate. 23:54:36 -!- evalj has joined. 23:54:39 "It" being lambdabot. 23:54:50 Well, the first it. 23:56:45 The tunes.org logs are working, but they don't have stalker mode. 23:57:25 view-source:http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/16.05.01 seems to work 23:57:39 without the view-source: Firefox thinks it's a video for some reason 23:58:17 magic numbers? 2016-05-02: 00:00:36 file(1) says "data". Must be all them control characters or something. 00:01:01 It's properly "Content-Type: text/plain" and all. 00:03:35 Oh, well. 00:03:45 Looks like qemu supports booting without grub 00:04:06 well, it's not like GRUB is required to make most OSes work 00:04:20 I think only Hurd has it as a "native" bootloader, and maybe some of the BSDs? 00:05:03 ais523|rlwrap: I think openbsd has its own bootloader, it doesn't require grub 00:05:20 no os requires grub in particular 00:05:21 I don't know about other bsds 00:06:19 ais523|rlwrap: a bsd with grub as its default boot loader sounds like it would be anachronistic to me, but it's certainly possible with some of these fancy new bsd-based thingies 00:06:20 I thought Hurd required GRUB in particular 00:06:32 and that GRUB was originally written for it but ended up branching out 00:06:38 IIRC recent syslinux can also do multiboot loading, so it should work for Hurd. 00:07:02 how many OSes actually support multiboot? 00:07:04 ais523|rlwrap: really? dunno 00:07:29 Apparently FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels are multiboot capable. 00:07:41 I know some people /wanted/ it to become a standard, but I don't think it actually did 00:07:45 The *incentive* for it being in syslinux though, is Xen. 00:07:52 Xen can only be booted using multiboot. 00:10:12 doesn't xen have its own bootloader or something? 00:10:35 UEFI is arguably a bootloader standard (among the other things it does) 00:10:51 and as Windows, Linux and OS X support it nowadays, that makes it quite a widely supported standard 00:11:04 b_jonas: No. 00:12:38 ais523|rlwrap: yeah, and before that, the pc bios boot thing from cdroms (and dvds) is also sort of a bootloader standard, only simpler 00:17:16 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 00:23:01 -!- ais523|rlwrap has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:24:14 -!- ais523|rlwrap has joined. 00:25:26 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:28:03 @messages- 00:28:03 int-e said 13h 36m 4s ago: I think the problem is with people who deliberately misspell commands. 00:33:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:33:24 -!- ais523|rlwrap has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:33:46 -!- ais523|rlwrap has joined. 00:34:17 rlwrap? 00:35:34 heh 00:41:05 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:41:56 -!- ais523|rlwrap has quit (Quit: apparently Konversation is working again now). 00:48:21 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:49:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:55:16 YOLO! 00:55:21 -!- termbot has joined. 00:55:22 ]help 00:55:22 info: guest machine now booting 00:55:26 - 00:55:26 -C:\>help 00:55:26 -Termbot connects you to an emulated machine you can fully control from irc. Be bold in experimenting, anything you do can be reverted. 00:55:26 -Use a line with right square bracket prefix in the #sandbot channel to give commands, normally just text that is entered on the terminal. Using backtick in the line allows for some escapes and commands. 00:55:26 -Special characters: `q = backtick, `o = eof (^Z), `r = enter, `t = tab, `b = backspace, `i = interrupt (^C), `e = escape, `x1f = any byte by hex code. 00:55:31 -Special commands: `h = suppress automatic return at end of this line, `.d = turn power off, `.ry = off and revert disk to original. 00:55:34 I'm so going to be kicked out for this 00:55:35 -The machine currently has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler and the TPC pascal compiler. 00:55:37 -Use the SDIR or VDIR commands to list directories. 00:55:39 -C:\> 00:56:05 ]edlin hi.c 00:56:05 +edlin hi.c 00:56:05 -New file 00:56:05 -* 00:56:12 ]i 00:56:12 +i 00:56:12 - 1:* 00:56:39 is that a verbose version of ed? 00:56:43 ]#include `rint main(){printf("hello, world\n");return 0;}`r`o 00:56:43 +#include 00:56:43 - 2:*int main(){printf("hello, world\n");return 0;} 00:56:43 - 3:*^Z 00:56:44 -* 00:56:49 izabera: yes, with much fewer commands 00:56:53 ]? 00:56:53 +? 00:56:53 -Edit line line# 00:56:53 -Append [#lines]A 00:56:53 -Copy [startline],[endline],toline[,times]C 00:56:53 -Delete [startline][,endline]D 00:56:54 -End (save file) E 00:56:54 -Insert [line]I 00:56:55 -List [startline][,endline]L 00:56:55 -Move [startline],[endline],tolineM 00:56:56 -Page [startline][,endline]P 00:56:56 -Quit (throw away changes) Q 00:56:59 -Replace [startline][,endline][?]R[oldtext][CTRL+Znewtext] 00:57:01 ]x 00:57:02 -Search [startline][,endline][?]Stext 00:57:05 -Transfer [toline]T[drive:][path]filename 00:57:06 -Write [#lines]W 00:57:07 -* 00:57:08 +x 00:57:09 -Entry error 00:57:09 -* 00:57:12 termbot: you're a bit loud tdnh 00:57:13 ]w 00:57:14 +w 00:57:14 -* 00:57:22 ]e 00:57:22 +e 00:57:22 - 00:57:22 -C:\> 00:57:30 ]bcc hello.c 00:57:30 +bcc hello.c 00:57:32 -Borland C++ Version 3.1 Copyright (c) 1992 Borland International 00:57:32 -Error: Could not find file 'hello.c' 00:57:32 - 00:57:32 - Available memory 4133724 00:57:35 - 00:57:35 -C:\> 00:57:47 ]bcc hi.c 00:57:47 +bcc hi.c 00:57:49 -Borland C++ Version 3.1 Copyright (c) 1992 Borland International 00:57:49 -hi.c: 00:57:49 -Turbo Link Version 5.1 Copyright (c) 1992 Borland International 00:57:49 - 00:57:49 - Available memory 4084568 00:57:52 - 00:57:52 -C:\> 00:57:53 ]hi 00:57:53 +hi 00:57:53 -hello, world 00:57:53 - 00:57:53 -C:\> 00:58:14 `wdir 00:58:15 hmm 00:58:24 termbot could do with some sort of linebreak protection 00:58:24 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wdir: not found 00:58:27 wait, "SDIR and WDIR"? 00:58:33 ]wdir 00:58:33 +wdir 00:58:34 -AMBRUS BC DATA DOS 00:58:34 -JATEK NC NU PATH 00:58:34 -TEMP TP WINDOWS autoexec.bak 1K 00:58:34 -autoexec.bat 1K command.com 54K config.bak 1K config.sys 1K 00:58:34 -hi.c 1K hi.exe 7K hi.obj 1K io.sys 40K 00:58:34 -msdos.sys 38K treeinfo.ncd 1K 00:58:35 - 00:58:35 -C:\> 00:58:44 ] edlin c:\path\serial\help.txt 00:58:44 + edlin c:\path\serial\help.txt 00:58:44 -End of input file 00:58:45 -* 00:58:45 b_jonas: |spelling error 00:58:45 b_jonas: | edlin c:\path\serial\help.txt 00:58:45 b_jonas: | ^ 00:59:07 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:59:16 ]6 00:59:16 +6 00:59:16 - 6:*Use the SDIR or VDIR commands to list directories. 00:59:16 - 6:* 00:59:32 ]6rVDIR`oWDIR 00:59:32 +6rVDIR^ZWDIR 00:59:33 -* 00:59:36 ]6 00:59:36 +6 00:59:36 - 6:*6rVDIR^ZWDIR 00:59:36 - 6:* 00:59:37 ]e 00:59:38 +e 00:59:38 -* 00:59:45 ouch 00:59:57 ouch? 01:00:06 I think I messed up that edit 01:00:12 I'm in append mode or something 01:00:23 no, single line edit mode 01:00:32 6 doesn't print a line, it edits that line 01:00:34 ]q 01:00:34 +q 01:00:35 -Abort edit (Y/N)? 01:00:37 ]y 01:00:37 +y 01:00:37 -C:\> 01:00:37 -C:\> 01:00:46 ]edlin c:\path\serial\help.txt 01:00:47 +edlin c:\path\serial\help.txt 01:00:47 -End of input file 01:00:47 -* 01:00:56 ]6,6p 01:00:56 +6,6p 01:00:56 - 6:*Use the SDIR or VDIR commands to list directories. 01:00:56 -* 01:01:08 ]6rVDIR`oWDIR 01:01:08 +6rVDIR^ZWDIR 01:01:08 - 6:*Use the SDIR or WDIR commands to list directories. 01:01:09 -* 01:01:20 echoing the commands is a bit much 01:01:21 ok, that's better 01:01:22 ]e 01:01:22 +e 01:01:22 - 01:01:23 -C:\> 01:01:28 ]wdir 01:01:28 +wdir 01:01:28 -AMBRUS BC DATA DOS 01:01:28 -JATEK NC NU PATH 01:01:28 -TEMP TP WINDOWS autoexec.bak 1K 01:01:28 -autoexec.bat 1K command.com 54K config.bak 1K config.sys 1K 01:01:29 -hi.c 1K hi.exe 7K hi.obj 1K io.sys 40K 01:01:29 -msdos.sys 38K treeinfo.ncd 1K 01:01:30 - 01:01:30 -C:\> 01:01:32 int-e: yes 01:01:40 int-e: that's why this normally runs in a separate channel 01:01:48 int-e: #esoteric-blah usually 01:01:58 now you all try it 01:02:39 I should make that fix to help.txt permanent later 01:04:05 meh all I can think of is deltree and format 01:04:06 go on, write C or C++ (for the latter, the extension is CPP). this is nice ancient C with 16 bit integers, no offsetof, and the C++ is even worse 01:04:44 int-e: you can do those too, ]`.ry reverts the disk, although currently it also reverts this fix to help.txt 01:05:01 int-e: but it might be better if you just wrote a c program 01:05:04 or tried to port one 01:05:16 or a pascal program if you prefer 01:05:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:05:30 ]debug 01:05:30 +debug 01:05:31 -- 01:05:36 a 100 01:05:40 ]a 100 01:05:40 +a 100 01:05:40 -0BB6:0100 01:05:47 ]int 29 01:05:47 +int 29 01:05:47 -0BB6:0102 01:05:51 ]inc al 01:05:51 +inc al 01:05:51 -0BB6:0104 01:05:54 ]jmp 100 01:05:54 +jmp 100 01:05:54 -0BB6:0106 01:05:56 ] 01:05:56 -- 01:06:01 int-e: there is a proper assembler installed, not only debug 01:06:25 damn, what was the command to actually execute the stuff 01:06:43 what's the command to execute the bot twh 01:06:55 ]g 01:06:55 +g 01:08:04 okay, not really unexpected. 01:09:38 anyway, TASM should work to command-line assemble an assembly file, and also BCC and TPC both have inline assembly (although you might not know the calling conventions of what registers you have to save) 01:09:51 ]`i 01:10:56 ]chicken 01:11:41 it's busy printing stuff to the screen buffer if my memory didn't fail me 01:12:16 int-e: too bad you can't really see the screen buffer 01:12:31 the vga cable isn't connected to anything 01:12:39 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46905&oldid=46903 * H3LL * (-1) /* Simple cycle */ 01:13:12 so where's the reboot special command... 01:13:15 can you connect the VGA cable to this chännel? 01:13:34 boily: hold still while I fetch the super glue... 01:14:10 int-e: `.d will turn the machine off, then the next input will turn it on 01:14:18 ah 01:14:22 ]`.d 01:14:22 - 01:14:31 ]echo hello world 01:14:31 info: guest machine now booting 01:14:34 -C:\>echo hello world 01:14:35 -hello world 01:14:35 - 01:14:35 -C:\> 01:14:36 int-e: there's also a secret `.b command for reboot 01:14:56 int-e: I'm not sure I want to hold still when super glue's involved hth 01:15:23 ]D: 01:15:24 +D: 01:15:24 -Invalid drive specification 01:15:24 - 01:15:24 -C:\> 01:15:28 boily: so you are smart 01:15:33 ]A: 01:15:33 +A: 01:15:33 - 01:15:39 - 01:15:39 -Not ready reading drive A 01:15:40 -Abort, Retry, Fail? 01:15:41 int-e: not smart, just sane ^^ 01:15:45 ]R 01:15:45 +R 01:15:47 - 01:15:47 -Not ready reading drive A 01:15:47 -Abort, Retry, Fail? 01:15:50 ]F 01:15:50 +F 01:15:50 -Current drive is no longer valid> 01:15:56 - 01:15:56 -Not ready reading drive A 01:15:56 -Abort, Retry, Fail? 01:16:02 ]A 01:16:02 +A 01:16:02 - 01:16:08 - 01:16:08 -Not ready reading drive A 01:16:08 -Abort, Retry, Fail? 01:16:11 ... 01:16:17 uhm. now what. 01:16:21 ]FC: 01:16:21 +F 01:16:21 -Current drive is no longer valid>C: 01:16:21 - 01:16:21 -C:\> 01:17:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 01:17:30 ]debug 01:17:30 +debug 01:17:30 -- 01:17:31 ]a 01:17:31 +a 01:17:31 -0BB6:0100 01:17:40 ]mov ax, 0940 01:17:40 +mov ax, 0940 01:17:40 -0BB6:0103 01:17:44 ]int 21 01:17:44 +int 21 01:17:45 -0BB6:0105 01:17:52 ]ret 01:17:52 +ret 01:17:52 -0BB6:0106 01:17:53 ] 01:17:54 -- 01:17:55 ]g 01:17:55 +g 01:17:55 -Í ÿŸ^@šîþ^]ðO^C^Z^FŠ^C^Z^F^W^C^Z^FA^E^C^C^C^@^Bÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿý^EN^AÚ^J 01:17:55 +^T^@^X^@¶^Kÿÿÿÿ^@^@^@^@^F^V^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Í!Ë^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ ^@^@^@^@^@ ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^Mhello world^M\SERIAL.NCC^M=0 USEHIGH=ON USEHMA=ON^MHIGH=ON USEHMA=ON^M^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@¸@ Í!îGa^C^_‹ÃH^R±^D‹Æ÷^J 01:17:55 +^J 01:17:55 +ÐÓHÚ+Ð4^@¥^K^@ÛÒÓà^CðŽÚ‹Ç^V¶^A^VÀ^VøŽÂ¬ŠÐ^@^@N­‹ÈFŠÂ 01:17:56 -Program terminated normally 01:17:57 -- 01:18:11 ]q 01:18:11 +q 01:18:11 - 01:18:11 -C:\> 01:18:48 hmm, forgot a lot 01:18:57 gg. 01:21:44 ]z: 01:21:44 +z: 01:21:44 -Invalid drive specification 01:21:44 - 01:21:44 -C:\> 01:21:47 ]b: 01:21:47 +b: 01:21:47 - 01:22:00 ] 01:22:10 oh? 01:23:05 eh? 01:23:13 ]dir 01:23:21 ...? 01:23:52 int-e: you can write actual assembly code with normal source files and assemble it with tasm, or inline assembly in bcc. Calling convention to C is all stack for normal functions (_cdecl) or first three parameters in registers (AX, DX, BX) for _fastcall functions. I think functions must preserve SI, DI, but can trash AX, CX, DX, BX, and arithmetic flags. I dunno about segment registers. 01:24:32 But if I wanted to do that I'd use nasm and dosbox :P 01:25:02 (or dosemu if I'd feel old-fashioned) 01:25:18 int-e, boily: I think it's stopped at the dual-floppy emulation prompt that asks you to insert the floppy that's supposed to be in drive B to your single floppy drive then press a key. 01:25:44 Probably that prompt doesn't work so you have to reboot. 01:25:52 Lots of things don't work in termbot. 01:25:54 ]`.b 01:25:55 info: guest machine now booting 01:25:55 - 01:25:59 -C:\> 01:26:22 `ver 01:26:24 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ver: not found 01:26:25 huh 01:26:28 ]ver 01:26:28 +ver 01:26:28 - 01:26:28 -MS-DOS Version 6.22 01:26:28 - 01:26:28 - 01:26:28 -C:\> 01:26:54 yeah, the help text told you that's the version installed 01:27:09 (the help text the "help" command prints) 01:27:09 ]mem 01:27:09 +mem 01:27:09 - 01:27:09 -Memory Type Total = Used + Free 01:27:09 ----------------- ------- ------- ------- 01:27:09 -Conventional 640K 24K 616K 01:27:10 -Upper 135K 93K 41K 01:27:10 -Reserved 384K 384K 0K 01:27:11 -Extended (XMS) 64,377K 16,305K 48,072K 01:27:11 ----------------- ------- ------- ------- 01:27:12 -Total memory 65,536K 16,807K 48,729K 01:27:12 - 01:27:13 -Total under 1 MB 775K 117K 657K 01:27:13 - 01:27:15 -Largest executable program size 616K (630,624 bytes) 01:27:17 -Largest free upper memory block 22K (22,032 bytes) 01:27:19 -MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area. 01:27:20 - 01:27:21 -C:\> 01:28:32 dos has a syscall that returns the amount of extended memory in kilobytes, so it can't handle more than 64 megabytes of extended or won't tell about it. 01:32:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:35:04 AX = number of contiguous KB starting at absolute address 100000h ... yeah a bit hard to express more than 64MB with that. 01:35:31 you could return the rest in the top half of EAX, which would be visible to a DOS extender 01:36:06 ]debug 01:36:06 +debug 01:36:06 -- 01:36:08 a 01:36:10 ]a 01:36:10 +a 01:36:10 -0BB6:0100 01:36:16 ]mov ax,0240 01:36:16 +mov ax,0240 01:36:16 -0BB6:0103 01:36:18 ]int 21 01:36:18 +int 21 01:36:19 -0BB6:0105 01:36:21 ]ret 01:36:21 +ret 01:36:21 -0BB6:0106 01:36:23 ] 01:36:23 -- 01:36:23 ] 01:36:24 -- 01:36:25 g]g 01:36:27 ]g 01:36:28 +g 01:36:28 -^@ 01:36:28 -Program terminated normally 01:36:28 -- 01:36:41 oh, character in dl, but that syscall would work 01:37:11 ]q 01:37:11 +q 01:37:11 - 01:37:11 -C:\> 01:37:42 Hmm, maybe for extra yolo I should've done this when no channel operators are present. 01:38:01 I don't think anyone's seriously complained yet? just made snide comments 01:38:10 also I wasn't exactly paying attention 01:38:21 good thing you didn't do it while I was connected via rlwrap :-P 01:38:23 ais523: not yet, but nobody has started to wdir/s yet 01:38:36 I think I tried mem /d before 01:38:44 if someone does a very spammy command then either the bot or the person who triggered it to spam needs to be kicked 01:38:47 it's not obvious which 01:38:56 (which probably isn't too bad anyway) 01:43:47 the bot doesn't currently give you a way to skip spam. once the machine wrote it to the buffer, and it can write quite fast, it will probably appear in irc in a slow rate and you can't easily stop it. 01:44:26 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:44:30 there was supposed to be a `.s command to flush the buffer, but I never implemented that 01:44:36 I don't think anyone's seriously complained yet? just made snide comments <-- well snide kickings are also tempting hth 01:46:09 go on people, write C programs 01:46:20 port useful stuff to dos 01:47:18 ]help 01:47:18 +help 01:47:18 -Termbot connects you to an emulated machine you can fully control from irc. Be bold in experimenting, anything you do can be reverted. 01:47:18 -Use a line with right square bracket prefix in the #sandbot channel to give commands, normally just text that is entered on the terminal. Using backtick in the line allows for some escapes and commands. 01:47:18 -Special characters: `q = backtick, `o = eof (^Z), `r = enter, `t = tab, `b = backspace, `i = interrupt (^C), `e = escape, `x1f = any byte by hex code. 01:47:23 -Special commands: `h = suppress automatic return at end of this line, `.d = turn power off, `.ry = off and revert disk to original. 01:47:27 -The machine currently has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler and the TPC pascal compiler. 01:47:29 -Use the SDIR or WDIR commands to list directories. 01:47:30 -C:\> 01:47:42 ]edlin hello.pas 01:47:42 +edlin hello.pas 01:47:42 -New file 01:47:43 -* 01:47:50 ]i 01:47:50 +i 01:47:50 - 1:* 01:48:12 ]begin print("Hello, world!"); end. 01:48:12 +begin print("Hello, world!"); end. 01:48:13 - 2:* 01:48:26 oerjan: it's writeln or write, not print 01:48:29 darn 01:48:36 ]q 01:48:36 +q 01:48:36 - 3:* 01:48:41 ]`q 01:48:41 +` 01:48:41 - 4:* 01:48:47 oerjan: `o 01:48:51 ]`o 01:48:51 +^Z 01:48:51 -* 01:49:00 now you're out of insert mode to ed mode 01:49:12 if i only had the slightest idea 01:49:27 ]q 01:49:27 +q 01:49:27 -Abort edit (Y/N)? 01:49:31 ]y 01:49:31 +y 01:49:31 -C:\> 01:49:31 -C:\> 01:49:54 oerjan: was i insufficiently snide 01:49:58 ok i remember pascal even worse than i thought. and never learned edlin in the first place. 01:50:09 shachaf: a wee bit 01:50:32 oerjan: you were close, the rest other than writeln was fine 01:50:36 oerjan: oh wait, it iwasn't 01:50:42 you need single quotes for a string literal 01:50:45 not double quotes 01:51:06 darn 01:51:12 ruined by C and haskell 01:51:12 so begin writeln('Hello, world!'); end. 01:51:14 I think 01:51:20 ]edlin hello.pas 01:51:20 +edlin hello.pas 01:51:21 -New file 01:51:21 -* 01:51:27 ]i 01:51:27 +i 01:51:27 - 1:* 01:51:48 ]begin writeln('Hello, world!'); end. 01:51:48 +begin writeln('Hello, world!'); end. 01:51:48 - 2:* 01:51:58 ]`o 01:51:58 +^Z 01:51:58 -* 01:52:08 ]`o 01:52:08 +^Z 01:52:08 -Entry error 01:52:08 -* 01:52:14 ]? 01:52:14 +? 01:52:15 -Edit line line# 01:52:15 -Append [#lines]A 01:52:15 -Copy [startline],[endline],toline[,times]C 01:52:15 -Delete [startline][,endline]D 01:52:15 -End (save file) E 01:52:15 -Insert [line]I 01:52:16 -List [startline][,endline]L 01:52:16 -Move [startline],[endline],tolineM 01:52:17 -Page [startline][,endline]P 01:52:17 -Quit (throw away changes) Q 01:52:19 oerjan: E to save the file and exit 01:52:19 -Replace [startline][,endline][?]R[oldtext][CTRL+Znewtext] 01:52:21 ]E 01:52:22 -Search [startline][,endline][?]Stext 01:52:25 -Transfer [toline]T[drive:][path]filename 01:52:26 -Write [#lines]W 01:52:27 -* 01:52:28 +E 01:52:29 - 01:52:30 -C:\> 01:52:36 ]hpc hello.pas 01:52:36 +hpc hello.pas 01:52:36 -Bad command or file name 01:52:36 - 01:52:36 -C:\> 01:52:44 oerjan: tpc 01:52:47 ]tpc hello.pas 01:52:47 +tpc hello.pas 01:52:47 -Turbo Pascal Version 7.0 Copyright (c) 1983,92 Borland International 01:52:47 -HELLO.PAS(1)^MHELLO.PAS(1)^MHELLO.PAS(1)^MHELLO.PAS(1) 01:52:47 -1 lines, 2016 bytes code, 670 bytes data. 01:52:47 - 01:52:48 -C:\> 01:53:02 ]hello.exe 01:53:02 +hello.exe 01:53:02 -Hello, world! 01:53:02 - 01:53:02 -C:\> 01:53:05 yay! 01:53:41 great, though mind you, a hello.exe that prints that message could be already on the image rather than compiled by you now, so you'd better edit it to do something more unique 01:54:17 seriously. 01:54:25 no 01:54:29 it's really your program 01:54:34 there's no hello on the image as far as I know 01:54:41 except the hi.c I wrote earlier 01:54:42 GOOD 01:54:44 ]hi 01:54:44 +hi 01:54:44 -hello, world 01:54:44 - 01:54:44 -C:\> 01:55:26 ]edlin hello.pas`r1rworld`o#esoteric`r`o1p 01:55:26 +edlin hello.pas 01:55:26 -End of input file 01:55:26 -*1rworld^Z#esoteric 01:55:26 - 1:*begin writeln('Hello, #esoteric!'); end. 01:55:26 -*^Z1p 01:55:27 -Entry error 01:55:27 -* 01:55:39 ]`o`r1p 01:55:39 +^Z 01:55:39 -Entry error 01:55:39 -*1p 01:55:39 - 1:*begin writeln('Hello, #esoteric!'); end. 01:55:39 -* 01:55:59 ]e`rtpc hello`rhello 01:56:00 +e 01:56:00 - 01:56:00 -C:\>tpc hello 01:56:00 -Turbo Pascal Version 7.0 Copyright (c) 1983,92 Borland International 01:56:00 -HELLO.PAS(1)^MHELLO.PAS(1)^MHELLO.PAS(1)^MHELLO.PAS(1) 01:56:00 -1 lines, 2032 bytes code, 670 bytes data. 01:56:00 - 01:56:01 -C:\>hello 01:56:01 -Hello, #esoteric! 01:56:02 - 01:56:02 -C:\> 01:56:12 fancy 02:00:17 also, ihoily 02:03:28 I'll have to try this again later when there are fewer mods in 02:03:29 -!- termbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:04:23 hellørjanne. 02:09:29 -!- boily has quit (Quit: INSTANTIATED CHICKEN). 02:19:27 `` ls -l wisdom/password 02:19:35 ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 107 Apr 24 17:05 wisdom/password 02:19:38 `? password 02:19:41 The password of the month is supercalifragilisticexpialidociouszU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ (There. Compromise.) 02:19:52 `` hg log -l 1 wisdom/password 02:19:59 changeset: 7526:4f298d01c68c \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun Apr 24 17:05:01 2016 +0000 \ summary: learn The password of the month is supercalifragilisticexpialidociouszU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ (There. Compromise.) 02:20:13 `learn The password of the month is kOMMlIEBERmAIuNDmACHE 02:20:18 Relearned 'password': The password of the month is kOMMlIEBERmAIuNDmACHE 02:23:20 shachaf: there was a bit of fighting over april hth 02:23:43 `culprits wisdom/password 02:23:48 oerjan gamemanj int-e oerjan int-e oerjan mroman oerjan oerjan oerjan mroman_ 02:25:46 `learn The password of the month is blah blah blah spoons blah blah blah swordfish blah blah blah 02:26:36 you should be careful with those, you almost got a swat before i realized HackEgo wasn't responding. 02:27:17 . o O ( wait is this actually discouragement ) 02:27:30 so what you're saying is that i should have actually run the command 02:27:45 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 02:29:56 -!- jefrite has joined. 02:33:05 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:37:02 `` ls -l canary 02:37:03 ​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 10 May 1 20:24 canary 02:37:11 `` rm canary; echo hi 02:37:13 hi 02:37:42 `` cat canary; rm canary 02:37:45 ​*tsjørp* 02:37:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:38:55 `? cake 02:39:00 The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake. 02:40:31 http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/media/exstream/exstream.html Here's a sea science thing 02:47:42 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:49:31 @tell int-e Why does the apple fall from the tree? <-- the tree was bumped into by a speeding chicken hth 02:49:31 Consider it noted. 02:54:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:57:37 -!- aloril has joined. 03:02:24 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:06:33 -!- aloril has joined. 03:11:35 `smlist 437 03:11:36 smlist 437: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy 03:14:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:14:37 -!- centrinia has joined. 03:42:16 also I thought lambdabot had anti-botloop protection which caused it to temporarily part (quit?) if it thought it was in a botloop <-- i believe shachaf admitted to having faked that effect hth 03:42:36 ah right 03:42:40 now you mention that I vaguely remember it 03:42:56 anyway, I'm glad that even in 2016, it's still possible to botloop using well-established bots 03:43:01 heh 03:43:13 * ais523 wonders what the longest sustained botloop in any IRC channel was 03:43:28 I have a vision of someone going into an abandoned channel which still has bots 03:43:30 starting a botloop 03:43:44 then the botloop lasting until the next netsplit or deconnect/reconnect of a bot, and possibly longer 03:43:45 also i'm not convinced there's any way to get a raw PRIVMSG out of HackEgo without breaking the sandbox 03:43:50 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 03:44:10 well it was just a case of convincing neither hackego nor lambdabot to escape 03:46:15 Some time I'd like to make a bot that's actually an internal network of bots talking to each other. 03:58:02 ais523: I've seen 5 hours of botloop in a moderately sized channel 03:58:19 mainly because no one had an op at that time 03:58:21 lifthrasiir: were people active? and were they trying and failing to stop it? 03:58:33 MDream: make an esolang out of it! 03:58:44 ais523: trying only worsened the problem, obviously 03:58:57 (especially when the bots have flood protection by themselves) 03:58:58 well you could potentially get one of the bots thrown out for flooding 03:59:13 ah right, anticipated my idea already :-D 03:59:50 ais523: and resolved when the op came back and saw such a tyranny 04:05:05 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:22:50 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:23:15 -!- lambdabot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:24:04 -!- mbrcknl has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:26:51 -!- mbrcknl has joined. 04:32:09 -!- lambdabot has joined. 04:41:52 `learn A cipation is an evil scheme that only works if no one is prepared for it. 04:42:09 Learned 'cipation': A cipation is an evil scheme that only works if no one is prepared for it. 04:47:01 oerjan: reverse-etomologized from "anticipation", I take it? 04:47:43 i admit nothing. 04:48:07 *etymologized 04:48:21 or *entomologized if you're being weird. 04:49:59 `? butterfly 04:50:04 butterfly? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:50:59 `le/rn butterfly/While some might think butterflies are descended from flies, that is a false entomology. 04:51:05 Learned «butterfly» 04:51:29 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:55:17 oerjan: OK, that's one of your better puns 04:55:43 you can get two meanings working all the way through the entire sentence 04:56:26 thanks 05:00:17 -!- infinitymaster has joined. 05:00:46 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:02:53 -!- infinitymaster has quit (Client Quit). 05:52:53 "Warning: This movie review contains spoilers, as well as a continued fraction expansion." 05:53:16 http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2707 06:15:21 oerjan: i want to read the review but maybe i should see the movie 06:21:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:37:10 Spell Poisoning {?} Instant ;; Target sorcery spell gains infect. 06:37:46 What did it mean for a spell to have infect? 06:37:56 Works it have to deal damage? 06:38:26 I don't think infect does anyting unless you deal damage 06:38:44 but it'd make the spell deal damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and players in the form of poison counters 06:38:59 there's already a spell with wither, IIRC, and an activated ability that gives spells lifelink 06:39:23 Ah. 06:39:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 06:42:16 [wiki] [[O]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46906&oldid=45798 * Phase * (+57) Add link to Java interpreter 06:46:24 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:52:29 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:54:07 This puzzle is simple see if you know this one http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.8 06:58:57 shachaf: Pffft. Why would there be spoilers? Didn't we all spend 4 years in Venezuela memorizing the complete biographies of all the great mathematicians? 06:59:05 That wasn't just me, right? 07:01:46 oerjan: From that same blag: “Why is this theorem true?” “It’s true only because we’re working over the complex numbers. The analogous statement about real numbers is false.” 07:01:53 I am now unsettled 07:01:59 Like, I know that it makes sense 07:02:27 But it doesn't quite sit right with my primal mathematician that evolution endowed me with for very strange reasons. 07:03:31 hppavilion[1]: what's your opinion of "each quadratic has two roots"? 07:03:43 (given that sometimes they're complex, and sometimes they're equal to each other) 07:03:54 ais523: Yes, I know. But it still makes the primal mathematican hiss. 07:04:13 (the primal mathematician is part snake because reasons) 07:04:38 ais523: We didn't evolve for complex numbers 07:04:39 Because of what kind of reasons? 07:04:46 * hppavilion[1] knows there's a joke there, but can't find it 07:04:56 zzo38: Quantum ones. 07:05:04 zzo38: /meta/quantum. 07:05:06 Whether or not we evolve for complex numbers seems irrelevant. 07:05:26 What kind of (meta) quantum ones? 07:05:38 zzo38: It's in a box, so I can't tell. 07:06:06 What would a universe be like where math is actually applicable to reality? Where we can use Banach-Tarski to duplicate objects and where theorems are magic? 07:06:40 I would like to see a story about a medieval kingdom in a world where math is particularly useful 07:07:11 Mathematics is the real reality; reality isn't. 07:07:36 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:08:31 zzo38: Yes, true 07:08:48 * hppavilion[1] finds new prime numbers to fuel his empire 07:10:33 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:11:38 hppavilion[1]: Well, I know about Ramanujan, but I assume the movie is mostly fiction, like most movies about famous mathematicians. 07:13:38 shachaf: SPOILER: at the end, he falls into an infinitely-deep void before appearing about 8 cm /above/ the surface of the earth 07:14:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:19:39 Do you like the puzzle I posted? I think it is not so difficult; also it has no unnecessary cards as far as I know. (Having unnecessary units is called "dressing the board".) 07:26:35 Which puzzle? 07:26:44 Oh, now I see it. 07:27:07 I don't know those cards. 07:27:29 You can look them up on Gatherer or whatever, and if you want to, write their text on the printout 07:28:16 [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46907&oldid=46905 * H3LL * (+104) 07:28:17 It would be nice if I could hover my mouse cursor over the names to see the cards. 07:31:06 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46908&oldid=46907 * H3LL * (+1) /* Example programs */ 07:32:41 hppavilion[1]: it's because your primal mathematician doesn't understand ordering of quantifiers hth 07:33:22 You could still use the right click search function in Firefox, or write a program to do somehing else, or whatever. (I myself generally prefer to work such puzzles on paper.) 07:34:56 Mathematics is the real reality; reality isn't. <-- have i mentioned before that i'm not convinced that the true reality even has logic and mathematics? 07:35:17 I wouldn't know. 07:37:39 [...] but I assume the movie is mostly fiction, like most movies about famous mathematicians. <-- aaronson thinks it's less so than some other examples, but not scot free. 07:37:59 oerjan: obviously he wouldn't think that 07:38:20 [wiki] [[Talk:Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46909&oldid=46904 * H3LL * (+227) /* Confusion IDE */ new section 07:38:33 . o O ( why do people have to choose disturbing nicknames like H3LL ) 07:39:21 [wiki] [[Talk:Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46910&oldid=46909 * H3LL * (+30) /* Confusion IDE */ 07:39:49 what's disturbing about it 07:40:22 Because it mixes letters with numbers, like I do. 07:40:33 shachaf: well if oerjan started calling himself 03rj4n, wouldn't you be disturbed? 07:40:40 (ideally use a font where the zero is slashed) 07:40:45 * oerjan swats you all -----### 07:41:02 I would be surprised, because IRC doesn't allow you to set a nick starting with a digit. 07:41:12 n03rj4n then 07:41:23 But who's to say that that 3 represents an E? 07:41:31 if the zero is slashed i'd leave out the 3, duh 07:41:44 oh, good point 07:42:21 idea: an esolang where the font used to read the program changes its meaning (and isn't part of the storage on disk, rather the program is stored in an AST-based fashion and editors render it into text differently depending on what font they use) 07:42:34 /nick h1tl3r 07:43:57 isn't that a common accusation levelled at mods? 07:44:18 (but yes, despite the trolling I agree with you that the original nick under discussion is a little distasteful) 07:44:30 yay 07:45:23 I think there have been much more distasteful nicks in here. 07:45:34 Without comment. 07:45:56 Though I suppose it's possible that I'm thinking of other channels. 07:46:17 regular nicks? 07:46:32 Do you mean nicks of regulars? 07:46:35 yes 07:46:43 Probably not? Maybe. 07:46:59 There were certainly some in #haskell and other places. I don't know about here now. 07:48:56 and reddit is of course chock full of them. 07:50:01 even in otherwise polite discussions. 07:52:38 right, that is even parodied sometimes 07:52:53 people having a civil discussion with incredibly distateful names, and someone else pointing it out 07:53:38 anyway, the sun's up, the buses should be running by now even on a bank holiday, and I need sleep 07:53:40 so time to go home 07:53:43 bye everyone 07:53:50 bye 07:54:07 -!- ais523 has quit. 07:54:18 hm holiday? 07:55:14 hm first monday in may 07:55:32 we have first of may a holiday, but this year that fell on a sunday. 07:56:15 Distateful names like Victoria and Albert and Imperial War Museum? 07:56:27 Those are two names, not three. 07:56:45 This is why the Oxford comma should be required even for lists of length 2. 07:56:51 OKAY 07:57:25 * oerjan assumes shachaf is joking about the misspelling but has no idea why those names are di-state-ful 07:57:44 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tate hth 07:57:53 hm 07:58:02 I was hoping that maybe ais523 would know it but he left already. 08:00:37 i might have got it after a while. 08:00:55 It wouldn't've been worth it. 08:01:06 but i didn't remember that V&A was a museum. 08:01:55 I just picked a few from the bottom of that Wikipedia page. 08:02:54 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:05:39 looking at today's freefall and foreshadowed in the previous one: i wonder how bad it will get when they do run out 08:09:50 another less spoilerish review http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8427 08:10:37 " It was extremely good, infinitely better than the most recent high profile film about a mathematician, the one about Turing" 08:12:56 Infinitely? That's pretty better. 08:13:21 indeed 08:13:29 Are you going to watch it? 08:13:35 doubtful 08:13:45 What does it take to convince you? 08:14:39 magic 08:26:53 oerjan: have you read the olist pdf yet 08:29:54 alas 08:45:16 the one with cumberbatch? 08:45:35 it wasn't that bad 08:50:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:31:04 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:57:16 Finland also has a first-of-May holiday, and lost it this year because of Sunday. 09:57:41 I like the UK "if a holiday falls on a weekend, it'll be compensated for" scheme. 09:58:09 (Although the Early May Bank Holiday isn't an example of that, since it's always a Monday.) 09:58:44 But e.g. Dec 27, 2016 is the "Christmas Day (substitute day)" holiday. 09:58:59 (Because Dec 25, 2016 is a Sunday.) 10:04:55 what about 26? 10:05:38 That's Boxing Day, already a holiday. 10:05:55 (Which is why the Christmas Day compensation day goes all the way to a Tuesday.) 10:47:32 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:27:46 fizzie: do they do that even for Easter day, which is always a sunday? 11:29:51 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:30:39 -!- boily has joined. 11:30:42 -!- yorick_ has joined. 11:30:42 -!- yorick_ has quit (Changing host). 11:30:42 -!- yorick_ has joined. 11:32:11 -!- shikhin has joined. 11:36:57 -!- ski__ has joined. 11:37:20 -!- yorick has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:37:21 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:37:35 -!- jefrite has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:43:33 -!- jefrite has joined. 11:43:35 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:44:30 -!- ski__ has changed nick to ski. 11:45:14 -!- Reece` has joined. 11:45:39 -!- Reece` has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:47:33 -!- Reece` has joined. 11:48:12 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:53:08 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:53:24 -!- ybden has joined. 11:54:40 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:08:20 @metar CYUL 12:08:21 CYUL 021100Z 08008KT 15SM OVC014 07/05 A3000 RMK SC8 SLP163 12:10:17 [wiki] [[Doorspace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46911&oldid=43601 * 51.254.73.48 * (-3) /* Statement Reference */ i won't stand for people calling # a hashtag 12:12:45 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 12:13:02 this is a nice eso-journal => http://www.universalrejection.org/ 12:14:47 b_jellonas. that is a nice journal! 12:19:00 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:19:48 -!- boily has quit (Quit: PLANK CHICKEN). 12:44:04 -!- tromp_ has joined. 12:49:05 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:50:57 -!- gremlins has joined. 12:52:15 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:41:36 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:42:31 -!- tswett has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:44:39 -!- Warrigal has joined. 13:54:12 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 14:07:51 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:21:03 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:22:12 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:41:37 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:57:38 -!- spiette has joined. 14:59:32 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:08:52 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:10:48 b_jonas: There's an "Easter Monday" holiday, I don't think it technically counts as a substitute day for the Sunday. 15:11:04 (And also the Good Friday, so there's always a 4-day weekend around Easter, or so I believe.) 15:12:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:13:16 (AIUI, there's a total of 8 yearly bank holidays -- New Year's Day*, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Early May bank holiday, Spring bank holiday, Summer bank holiday, Christmas Day*, Boxing Day* -- of which three -- the ones marked with * -- can fall on a weekend and result in substitute days.) 15:16:59 -!- Koen_ has joined. 15:17:16 hello solid matrices 15:17:48 oerjan: I know that did not work 15:18:05 what I don't know is how to make it work 15:23:31 `? weighted companion cube 15:23:59 weighted companion cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:24:08 `? companion cube 15:24:11 `? cube 15:24:16 companion cube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:24:20 Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. 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From a security perspective, a better separation of concerns (with isolated processes... or threads if you will...) would be nice. 18:32:27 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:32:29 int-e: Not sure you do, but I don't understand what you're saying 18:33:09 int-e: It would be a browser where the browser itself is almost /nothing/; instead of being everything in one big software bundle, plus cutesy extensions, the browser would be an API that comes with a million extensions on top of it 18:33:22 hppavilion[1]: Well at least I've found some meaning in your random combination of terms this time. 18:33:29 int-e: So there are extensions dedicated to rendering pages, rather than the browser backend doing it 18:33:30 usually I fail to do that. 18:33:32 int-e: Yep :) 18:33:53 hppavilion[1]: I don't see much value in a pure plugin framework. 18:34:04 int-e: I don't either, but I feel like there would be 18:34:18 but browser security, now that's someting worth (but hard) tackling. 18:34:18 int-e: It would motivate the browser to be more extensible and more powerful? 18:34:35 I dunno. 18:35:02 To take the kernel analogy, Linux is a monolithic kernel, but lack of extensibility is not one of its shortcomings. 18:35:08 int-e: With a browser with this degree of extensibility, I figure you could adapt it rapidly to new languages and such 18:35:17 int-e: True, true 18:35:18 modular design and isolation at runtime are independent features. 18:35:39 err, well, not independent 18:35:46 but you can do the former without the latter 18:36:00 int-e: But then again, the browser is monolithic in a different fashion; Linux can be monolithic but extensible because you never want to mess with the low-level stuff 18:36:26 int-e: In a monolithic browser, the basic stuff is much higher-level; e.g. rendering webpages and executing javascript 18:37:10 Well, you can have several things interfacing with a single DOM. 18:37:17 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 18:37:49 Um. For some reason, my gcc cross-compiler is recognizing my initialization of an array and me setting its elements as conflicting type definitions 18:37:52 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:38:04 To get a modular, design, optionally using isolated components... though the shared DOM will be quite a big chunk. 18:38:11 I slept on it, and I think I see to some degree /why/ 18:38:14 But I don't know how to fix it 18:38:15 int-e: ah nice, that sounds like fungot said it 18:38:16 b_jonas: i'll give it a try. thanks! _ http://www.befunge.org/ fyb/ is broken 18:38:24 fungot, To get a modular, design, optionally using isolated components... though the shared DOM will be quite a big chunk. 18:38:24 b_jonas: lindi or someone could write one. let us know the specifics of how compilers do things functionally, without actually reallocating things, when i don't have any 18:38:31 b_jonas: because of the extra comma? 18:38:50 int-e: no, because of the high amount of buzzwords 18:38:59 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 18:39:07 yay 18:39:19 int-e: fungot in the scheme setting often gives his idealistic opinions about software design 18:39:19 b_jonas: oh wait the bottom left ' thing', by neal stephenson.), the ability to pause for indefinite amounts of time. 18:39:28 fungot: watch out, you'll soon be obsolete 18:39:28 int-e: there is no 18:40:32 he got obsoleted before finishig the sentence 18:41:57 OK 18:42:00 Given a declared array in C 18:42:22 How do I then set an element of that array without it thinking that the assignment is a separate definition? 18:42:37 (I'm doing this as a constant, so that might be the problem...) 18:42:55 int arr[3] = { 0, 1, 2 }; 18:45:29 izabera: OK, but how do I assign each element separately? I need to do that for legibility 18:45:48 hppavilion[1]: same, but add newlines? 18:45:58 int arr[3]; arr[1] = 1; arr[0] = 0; arr[2] = 2; 18:46:04 izabera: I have char scancode[0xFF][8], and I want to set each scancode[n] to a (short) string 18:46:16 int arr[3] = { 0: 1, 1: 1, 2: 2 }; <-- don't we have this syntax now? 18:46:17 izabera: That's what I'm doing, I think. 18:46:27 izabera: I suspect this is on the toplevel 18:46:32 int-e: It is 18:46:39 int-e: that's the gcc extension. there's a C99 (or maybe C11) syntax, but it doesn't work in C++ 18:46:42 int-e: I'm not particularly good with C 18:46:53 so short of writing an initializer function it simply doesn't work. 18:46:56 (though honestly, C OS Dev 18:47:06 ...is easier than the C I've done before, somehow) 18:47:14 int-e: I can do that 18:47:46 int-e: the C99 syntax is int arr[3] = {[0] = 1, [1] = 1, [2] = 2}; 18:47:55 b_jonas: But C++ could allow a similar syntax, I would guess? 18:48:13 shachaf: no. 18:48:29 b_jonas: yeah I remembered. 18:49:30 b_jonas: Something like {{0,1},{1,1},{2,2}} 18:50:07 shachaf: maybe if you define a function that initializes an array from an array-of-pairs like that 18:50:12 OK, now it's complaining about "assignment to expression with array type" 18:50:17 Right. 18:50:22 shachaf: note that C++ can have initializers that aren't compile time constant, for ages 18:50:23 Except it's not an array but whatever that thing was called. 18:50:50 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:52:10 int-e: OK, why is it complaining about "assignment to expression with array type" 18:52:14 I made an initializer function 18:52:17 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:53:34 hppavilion[1]: maybe you should actually show the code you're trying, like on a paste site? 18:53:41 Oh, I got it working 18:53:45 b_jonas: I should 18:53:47 we're not good at crystal ball debugging 18:53:53 b_jonas: Fair enoguh 18:54:20 I had to change the declaration of scancode from char scancode[0xFF][8] to const char *scancode[0xFF] 18:54:26 (I don't want to change the strings anyway) 18:54:40 (But I am anticipating a rather gnarly bug) 19:02:22 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:12:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:21:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:24:57 https://about.gitlab.com/2016/04/28/gitlab-major-security-update-for-cve-2016-4340/ 19:27:57 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 19:28:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:28:22 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 19:28:22 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:28:22 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 19:28:22 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:29:25 coppro: love the "install gitlab on your server in 2 minutes" banner on the same page... 19:29:43 -!- Kaynato has joined. 19:33:11 <\oren\> i want a button that types std:: in one keystroke 19:34:57 I do not use GitLab, but maybe it is useful to someone who does 19:35:20 \oren\: Can you configure your computer to allow it, or connect an external device that will do it? 19:37:02 \oren\: get a gaming keyboard 19:37:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:39:30 Hm... 19:39:41 -!- quintopi1 has changed nick to quintopia. 19:39:50 -!- quintopia has quit (Changing host). 19:39:50 -!- quintopia has joined. 19:41:46 \oren\: maybe you should learn to use using declarations. 19:44:01 I thought "using std" was frowned upon 19:44:25 int-e: no, it's using namespace std; that is frowned upon, 19:44:46 for that imports all symbols from std to your namespace, even the symbols you don't even know about and might exist only in the future or non-portably. 19:45:40 int-e: if you import specific symbols to your namespace like using std::min; using std::max; using std::abort; using std::cerr; using std::abs; using std::sqrt; using std::array; that is usually fine 19:45:50 because you know which symbols you import 19:46:40 Fine. (okay, I'm not a C++ programmer, but one reason that I didn't get "using namespace std" right is that I never do it... I just don't find those std:: too onerous overall) 19:47:18 int-e: you don't have to import every symbol from std, it's just useful for certain symbols if you use them a lot in contexts where the std would be distracting 19:49:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:03:17 it's also fine to use a using-directive in a limited scope 20:03:29 you should never put a using-directive or using-declaration in global scope in a header, though 20:03:33 (though modules will fix that, yay!) 20:05:00 fungot, what is your general opinion about using declarations? 20:05:00 b_jonas: well there is no modification here. :p 20:05:16 fungot: and about using directives and namespace aliases too 20:05:16 b_jonas: you're welcome. have fun. :) as far as slow compilers goes, i don't 20:05:41 -!- rdococ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:15:05 -!- centrinia has joined. 20:18:35 -!- nchambers has changed nick to sillytime. 20:20:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:20:47 How do I get the ord() of a char in C? 20:20:51 I can't find any information 20:21:09 char is an integral type in C 20:21:40 Just use the char value by itself, it is the value you need 20:21:56 zzo38: I need to get an element of an array at the index 20:21:57 If formatted as %d it will display the number, if formatted as %c it will display the character. 20:22:07 Element of what array at what index? 20:22:18 zzo38: I have an array 20:22:33 zzo38: I want to convert the char to a number and get the element at that index. 20:22:39 zzo38: I tried arr[c], but that didn't work 20:23:02 (int)c ? 20:23:06 What character is it and what array, can you give information? 20:23:17 You might need c&127 or c&255 depending on what you are doing, too 20:23:19 fowl: Tried that 20:23:22 I think 20:23:32 zzo38: The array is called pressed and it is an array of bools 20:24:04 zzo38: The character is part of a const char* returned from a function that gets user input 20:24:44 You need to get the character from the string properly too, ensure it is done. 20:26:08 OK, (int) worked 20:26:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:26:12 (int)c 20:26:25 You said it didn't work, what happened? 20:30:13 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:34:34 -!- HackEgo has joined. 20:38:06 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:39:24 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 20:40:40 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 20:49:19 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:52:57 How big is the array? 'char' might be signed 20:53:51 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:57:42 It is why I suggested c&255 21:05:54 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 21:06:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 21:14:26 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:16:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:23:02 -!- staffehn_ has joined. 21:26:29 -!- sillytime has changed nick to nchambers. 21:29:05 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:29:05 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:29:05 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:29:05 -!- staffehn has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:29:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:35:12 -!- adu has joined. 21:42:16 A program for editing picture files could be made to have all filters external and use farbfeld for stdin/stdout; some filters may be input-only or output-only, such as loading and saving the picture to a file. 21:45:38 That would be fairly flexible. 21:49:40 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 21:50:48 -!- myndzi has joined. 22:01:44 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 22:03:29 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:08:07 [wiki] [[Random]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46912&oldid=20078 * LegionMammal978 * (+13) /* External resources */ 22:10:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:21:12 -!- adu has joined. 22:41:02 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:41:22 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:41:50 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:45:33 -!- variable has joined. 22:51:15 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 22:54:04 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:15:17 -!- Moon_ has joined. 23:15:21 Hi 23:15:33 hi 23:17:30 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:21:44 -!- boily has joined. 23:22:04 coppro: coprello. did you receive a censusletter? 23:22:24 bonjouroiloui 23:22:34 jhoily 23:22:58 wow 23:23:10 wowat 23:23:14 we can combine a greeting, an answer to a question, and a pseudo-nickping all into one word nowadays? 23:23:35 ahiofcours523 23:23:46 the porthello game is strong in this chännel. 23:24:57 I've never really been a fan of them, but I admit they tend to be popular 23:25:10 <^v^v> so uh 23:25:15 <^v^v> implementing a heap in brainfuck 23:26:26 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 23:26:48 I'm not sure you need to say anything else, it's going to be hard to get /much/ more eso than that sentence 23:26:55 were you looking for help, or just wanted to let us know what you were working on? 23:26:57 Are you ^v `^_^v and all those other people? 23:27:09 oerjan: how would you porthello ^v^v? 23:27:20 hellochaf. 23:27:27 boily: hilohilo 23:27:32 <^v^v> boily, ? 23:27:38 ais523: Clever. 23:27:52 * boily approves 23:27:56 <^v^v> shachaf, i am PixelToast 23:28:04 Is that a yes or a no? 23:28:10 <^v^v> ^v^v is my only nick on this network 23:28:51 `? PixelToast 23:28:52 coïncidence? 23:29:03 huh 23:29:06 PixelToast? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:29:09 so who is ^v then? 23:29:17 <^v^v> ^v is my IRC bot 23:29:19 aha 23:29:20 ais523: just one pixel hth 23:29:35 <^v^v> assuming someone diddnt take it 23:29:47 well there's been a ^v in this channel before 23:29:56 <^v^v> that would probably be me 23:29:57 I'm assuming that was your bot otherwise there's some sort of enormous coincidence involevd 23:30:06 OK, so that is you? 23:30:24 <^v^v> what time was this ^v here? 23:30:28 <^v^v> i dont talk much here 23:31:10 ^v was here for years, although i don't remember when i saw em last 23:31:25 <^v^v> hmm 23:31:41 They were also `^_^v 23:31:46 I think, at least. 23:31:48 <^v^v> `^_^v is not me 23:31:55 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v: not found 23:31:57 OK. 23:32:03 shachaf: i don't think those were the same person 23:32:17 I thought they were. 23:32:19 Oh well. 23:32:27 <^v^v> i would have probably been talking about Lua, brainfuck or me making an esolang with just ^ and v 23:33:04 although ^v must been around when we experimented with noping implementations in HackEgo, because i distinctly remember thinking i refused to bother making it work for 2-char nicks 23:33:11 *must have been 23:33:45 <^v^v> well, i registered it Registered : Jul 26 04:15:44 2013 (2y 40w 1d ago) 23:33:49 <^v^v> 2 years ago 23:34:22 ^v^v: ^v has "website = http://ptoast.tk/", is that your website? 23:34:30 Oh, `^_^v is nycs. 23:34:37 <^v^v> ais523, that was my old website url 23:34:41 <^v^v> i now have pxtst.com 23:34:44 right 23:34:58 <^v^v> but thats still my bot's account 23:35:00 so I guess ^v is you but stuck in the past 23:35:09 just like ais523_ is me but on someone else's computer 23:35:29 <^v^v> ohhhh 23:36:11 -!- ^v^v has changed nick to ^v. 23:36:20 <^v> ^0 is my bot's nick 23:36:23 <^v> i forgot 23:37:17 @tell koen_ oerjan: I know that did not work <-- i've long since forgotten what the subject was hth 23:37:17 Consider it noted. 23:39:05 -!- moon__ has joined. 23:39:08 * oerjan found it in a 4 day old log 23:39:15 im not connecting from my tablet ever again 23:39:19 `help 23:39:19 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 23:39:21 wait, 5 23:40:24 mhelloon__. 23:41:39 -!- boily has quit (Quit: INJECTION CHICKEN). 23:42:15 `? alpha 23:42:21 alpha is the numeric measurement of opaqueness, a dog with unusually high voice in the Disney-Pixar Up film, and a NATO phonetic alphabet letteral. 23:42:40 `` sed -i sbabAb wisdom/alpha 23:42:49 No output. 23:44:35 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 23:45:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:50:33 `ciol 23:50:35 Segmentation fault 23:50:43 `ciol rI need to fix that; 23:50:45 I need to fix that 23:51:11 `ciol rhp hi; 23:51:12 hp hi 2016-05-03: 00:02:46 `ciol 00:02:48 Segmentation fault 00:02:51 :D 00:05:38 heh 00:05:47 dont abuse my intepreter for CIOL 00:06:04 Booting... Checking Shellmodule.bin Checking systemlibrary.slib Checking Kernal.bin All good RESONANCE SHELL TERMINAL V4 Please enter a commmand > 00:06:07 woops 00:06:17 http://esolangs.org/wiki/CIOL 00:09:29 it looks like brainfuck and C had a love child 00:09:38 `ciol rHello; 00:09:42 Hello 00:09:47 neat 00:10:15 thats the point 00:10:20 also, 00:10:27 did you see the quine examples? 00:11:36 yeah 00:12:10 fizzie did a good job 00:12:21 indeed 00:12:41 also, what do you think of the register system? 00:13:37 decent. reminds me of befunge kind of 00:14:11 anyways, being lazy is not good for trying to make a 99bb program in CIOL 00:15:14 i might just grab the lyrics and put them in a r ; block :P 00:15:55 `? lie group 00:15:57 lie group? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:15:57 `? lie algebra 00:15:59 A Lie algebra is what you get if you take the region infinitesimally close to the identity of a Lie group and blow it up to normal size. 00:17:08 lazyness has been made: http://pastebin.com/5g4pL4U1 00:19:44 `? triangle 00:19:46 triangle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:19:49 `? plane 00:19:51 plane? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:20:31 `? impossible 00:20:33 `? unlikely 00:20:38 `? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:20:45 impossible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:20:53 unlikely? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:20:54 ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:23:33 What? 00:23:58 fish 00:24:06 `? bicycle 00:24:09 bicycle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:24:46 `? fish bicycle 00:24:49 fish bicycle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:24:53 `? motorcycle 00:24:54 motorcycle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:24:55 `? monocycle 00:24:57 `? unicycle 00:25:01 monocycle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:25:02 unicycle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:25:05 `? uncyclopedia 00:25:07 `? cyclops 00:25:09 Uncyclopedia is always factually accurate, except for uh, that one entry? it started with like, an AA? you can probably find it in https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/The_Unicyclopedia 00:25:11 cyclops? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:26:08 `? money 00:26:10 money? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:26:27 `? vote 00:26:28 vote? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:26:29 `? ballot 00:26:32 ballot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:26:32 + 00:26:37 `help ? 00:26:37 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 00:27:10 what does `? do? 00:28:19 it does lookups in our wisdom database 00:34:35 `? wisdom 00:34:37 wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? 00:37:16 `wisdom 00:37:21 ​.doorstop/You do not have the clearance necessary to view this entry. 00:37:46 `? rhymes 00:37:47 rhymes? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:37:52 `quote rhymes 00:37:54 1136) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." 00:45:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:50:02 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:55:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:57:04 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:02:58 another irregular webcomic election landslide http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cgi-bin/poll.pl?a=1 01:03:04 oops 01:03:14 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cgi-bin/poll.pl 01:03:32 no wait 01:03:33 argh 01:04:03 use http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/polls/ unless you want to vote for tea in the next poll hth 01:04:14 * oerjan felt like a cup of tea for once 01:04:53 if i only had some in reality. i guess it's cola instead -> 01:07:01 i think most here can agree that the best candidate won. 01:07:21 Lazyness ultima: http://pastebin.com/5g4pL4U1 01:07:53 moon__: i don't feel like that counts. 01:08:23 ? 01:08:29 dur / dur 01:08:32 repeating all the text 01:08:37 oh... 01:08:44 * oerjan didn't notice he was making a pun 01:08:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:08:55 `? oerjan 01:09:16 * moon__ laughs at oerjan 01:09:18 Your infamous mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 01:09:38 laugh at your DOOM 01:09:50 `mk 01:09:51 usage: mk[x] file//contents 01:10:04 `learn_append oerjan He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:10:11 Learned 'oerjan': Your infamous mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:10:18 `mkx moonstat//echo stop stalking me! 01:10:22 moonstat 01:10:25 `mv moonstat bin/moonstat 01:10:26 mv: missing destination file operand after `moonstat bin/moonstat' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 01:10:38 ``mv moonstat bin/moonstat 01:10:40 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found 01:10:44 `` mv moonstat bin/moonstat 01:10:46 sheesh 01:10:50 No output. 01:11:04 also, you can create the file in its proper place 01:11:07 `moonstat 01:11:08 stop stalking me! 01:11:45 * moon__ needs to learn how to shellscript 01:12:21 indeed. i think ! sometimes needs escaping, although apparently not in that context. 01:12:48 `which bin/moonstat 01:12:49 bin/moonstat 01:12:54 `cat bin/moonstat 01:12:55 echo stop stalking me! 01:13:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:13:21 `` echo stop stalking me!! 01:13:25 stop stalking me!! 01:13:30 hm not here either 01:14:14 probably !! only works interactively. 01:14:33 `expr 1 + 2 01:14:35 1 + 2 01:14:43 ?? 01:14:50 `which expr 01:14:51 ​/usr/bin/expr 01:15:11 expr is a native command for preforming math 01:15:24 `` expr 1 + 2 01:15:24 `` expr 1 + 2 01:15:32 3 01:15:32 3 01:15:40 heh 01:16:24 `? overlord 01:16:26 overlord? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:17:36 `le/rn overlord/Evil overlords do evil acts like taking over the world, kicking puppies and changing their own wisdom entries. 01:17:41 Learned «overlord» 01:17:47 `le/rn overlord/Evil overlords do evil acts like taking over the world, kicking puppies, and changing their own wisdom entries. 01:17:51 Relearned «overlord» 01:17:52 let's oxford it 01:19:00 >---## *swats oerjan* 01:19:03 also i jaywalk a lot. 01:19:37 which technically is not a crime where i live, but still. 01:21:44 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:22:45 expr is a native command for preforming math <-- i know, i was just checking if someone had redefined it. 01:23:13 `mk bin/swat//echo >---▦▦, bad $1 01:23:17 bin/swat 01:23:24 `swat moon 01:23:26 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/swat: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/swat: cannot execute: Permission denied 01:23:33 `mkx bin/swat//echo >---▦▦, bad $1 01:23:36 bin/swat 01:23:37 `swat moon 01:23:40 No output. 01:23:41 `culprits bin/swat 01:23:52 moon__ moon__ elliott shachaf elliott shachaf elliott shachaf 01:24:02 oh, oops! 01:24:03 i'm sorry, but i have to revert that. 01:24:20 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 01:24:23 >---▦▦, bad me 01:25:09 ``echo >---▦▦, bad moon 01:25:10 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found 01:25:14 `revert 7653 01:25:15 `` echo >---▦▦, bad moon 01:25:25 No output. 01:25:27 .-. 01:25:31 can he not do unicode? 01:25:33 `unidecode ▦▦ 01:25:37 `` echo >---##, bad moon 01:25:37 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 01:25:39 ​[U+25A6 SQUARE WITH ORTHOGONAL CROSSHATCH FILL] [U+25A6 SQUARE WITH ORTHOGONAL CROSSHATCH FILL] 01:25:45 No output. 01:25:53 `echo >---##, bad moon 01:25:54 ​>---##, bad moon 01:26:00 `echo >---▦▦, bad moon 01:26:01 ​>---▦▦, bad moon 01:26:02 the unicode is fine, but our irc clients don't have it 01:26:07 oh 01:26:10 -!- zzo38_ has joined. 01:26:14 -!- zzo38 has quit (Disconnected by services). 01:26:16 -!- zzo38_ has changed nick to zzo38. 01:26:18 `swat 01:26:22 No output. 01:26:26 `swat moon 01:26:28 No output. 01:26:29 `cat bin/swat 01:26:30 echo >---▦▦, bad $1 01:26:33 `cat swat 01:26:34 cat: swat: No such file or directory 01:26:43 `` hg log bin/swat | grap summary: | tac 01:26:45 wait what 01:26:50 ??? 01:26:50 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: grap: command not found 01:26:57 `` hg log bin/swat | grep summary: | tac 01:27:04 No output. 01:27:18 oh 01:27:20 i see 01:27:31 moon__: it actually had been deleted 01:27:38 oh 01:27:48 SQUARE WITH ORTHOGONAL CROSSHATCH FILL renders for me 01:28:10 `mkx bin/swat//echo >---▦▦ echo bad echo $1 01:28:13 bin/swat 01:28:15 `swat 01:28:17 No output. 01:28:20 `swat moon 01:28:22 No output. 01:28:23 how do i make it output? 01:28:26 .-. 01:28:46 however, i must still disagree on the principle that there is only one true swatter, and it doesn't look that way. 01:29:05 >---▦▦ 01:29:16 this for me looks like a fly swatter 01:29:20 ## better than that 01:29:22 the > is a special character 01:29:38 `mkx bin/swat//echo ---▦▦ echo bad echo $1 01:29:43 bin/swat 01:29:44 `swat moon 01:29:45 ​---▦▦ echo bad echo moon 01:29:55 `mkx bin/swat//echo ---▦▦ bad $1 01:29:57 bin/swat 01:30:00 `swat moon 01:30:01 ​---▦▦ bad moon 01:30:18 `mkx bin/altswat//echo ---## bad $1 01:30:21 bin/altswat 01:30:22 oh well, these are the end times anyway. 01:30:29 what do you mean? 01:30:34 `swat oerjan 01:30:35 ​---▦▦ bad oerjan 01:30:36 tell meh 01:32:00 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Lol-md4 * New user account 01:32:05 `rm bin/altswat 01:32:09 No output. 01:32:29 that's not the proper one either. besides, the swatter is a private weapon. 01:32:57 how so? 01:33:45 it's mine. although sometimes people steal it. 01:34:16 *goes to buy a weapon* 01:35:48 0== 🐌 snail cannon, anyone? 01:35:56 ooh fancy 01:36:21 Keyboard input works in my OS now :) 01:36:35 * moon__ hits oerjan with a snail 0==🐌 01:36:39 moon__: That's amazing 01:37:01 oerjan: Mein is fancier :,( 01:37:09 it was my idea, so 01:37:12 help i'm being shelled 01:37:16 `swat hp 01:37:20 ​---▦▦ bad hp 01:37:25 Also, my weapon is a sharpened walrus tusk. 01:37:30 (Not removed from the walrus) 01:37:52 \oren\: No emoji :,( 01:37:54 hppavilion[1]: fancy, but inconvenient 01:38:13 oerjan: I am the walrus. So, convenient. 01:38:15 ``mkdir moonstuff 01:38:17 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mkdir: not found 01:38:24 moon__: Don't abuse hackego 01:38:29 ik :P 01:38:34 i wanted to add the snail 01:38:37 anyways 01:38:38 moon__: HackEgo is for things of general interest. 01:38:42 lol true 01:38:46 0==🐌 01:39:02 TIL there's a snail emoji. 01:39:42 🐌 01:39:50 boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon__ has the snail cannon, /me is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there? 01:40:00 hppavilion[1]: are you also paul mccartney twh 01:40:00 * moon__ hits oerjan with a snail 0==🐌 01:40:09 oerjan: No commnet 01:40:11 *comment 01:40:19 Though no comets either 01:40:31 * oerjan is shellshocked 01:40:44 * moon__ hits oerjan with a snail 0==🐌 for puns 01:41:30 -!- Kaynato has joined. 01:42:20 * moon__ greets Kaynato with the snail cannon 0==🐌 01:42:35 'ello 01:42:48 boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon__ has the snail cannon, /me is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there? 01:43:11 * moon__ steals oerjan's swatter 01:43:16 hppavilion[1]: i also have the saucepan for more serious whacking 01:43:19 `swat oerjan 01:43:21 ​---▦▦ bad oerjan 01:43:34 that's still not my swatter. 01:43:49 moon__: I also have the esobell lying around here somewhere... 01:43:54 * moon__ uses the community swatter 01:43:58 esobell? 01:44:05 moon__: Yes, the esobell 01:44:09 * hppavilion[1] rings the esobell 01:44:30 * moon__ fires snails at it, making it all slimey 0==🐌 01:44:48 eww 01:44:54 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:45:07 ... 01:45:19 its called logging out on your device 01:45:23 that you forgot to log out of 01:46:51 moon__: No, snail 01:46:58 moon__: It brought up unpleasant parallels 01:47:27 `` mkx bin/userweps//echo boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon__ has the snail cannon, /me is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there? 01:47:37 bin/userweps 01:47:38 `` mkx bin/userweps//echo boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon__ has the snail cannon, hppa is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there? 01:47:40 bin/userweps 01:47:48 `userweps 01:47:48 moon__: Why 01:47:49 No output. 01:47:52 cuz 01:47:53 moon__: Why did you put it in bin? 01:48:02 `` mkx bin/userweps//echo boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppa is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there? 01:48:04 bin/userweps 01:48:07 ``userweps 01:48:08 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `userweps: not found 01:48:12 `userweps 01:48:13 No output. 01:48:21 `mkdir jnk 01:48:23 No output. 01:48:23 hat did i do wrong? 01:48:30 in the code 01:48:36 `` mv bin/userweps jnk/userweps 01:48:42 No output. 01:48:48 `cat jnk/userweps 01:48:48 echo 01:48:51 *sigh* 01:49:01 `` mkx jnk/userweps//'echo boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppa is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there' 01:49:06 jnk/userweps 01:49:12 `cat jnk/userweps 01:49:13 echo boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppa is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there 01:49:16 `./jnk/userweps 01:49:17 boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppa is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there 01:49:43 `` sed -i "s/echo //" jnk/userweps 01:49:47 No output. 01:49:52 `cat jnk/userweps 01:49:54 boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppa is a motherfucking walrus, what else is there 01:50:13 `` sed -i "s/hppa/hppavilion[1]/" jnk/userweps 01:50:18 No output. 01:50:35 `` sed -i "s/, what else is there//" jnk/userweps 01:50:39 No output. 01:50:43 `cat jnk/userweps 01:50:45 boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppavilion[1] is a motherfucking walrus 01:50:49 `mv bin/something jnk/something.bin 01:50:51 mv: missing destination file operand after `bin/something jnk/something.bin' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 01:50:57 `` mv bin/something jnk/something.bin 01:50:59 mv: cannot stat `bin/something': No such file or directory 01:51:01 Why .bin? 01:51:03 `` mv bin/something jnk/something 01:51:05 mv: cannot stat `bin/something': No such file or directory 01:51:09 its executable 01:51:14 `` mv bin/Something jnk/something 01:51:14 moon__: Um? 01:51:22 moon__: *nix doesn't use extensions 01:51:22 No output. 01:51:27 true 01:51:31 `cat jnk/something 01:51:34 ​ELF............>.....0@.....@....... ..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....\......\........ ....................`......`.....`......¬....... .................`.....`.....à.......à................ 01:51:34 i like it for identification 01:51:37 *sigh* 01:51:41 its mine 01:51:43 no worrys 01:51:46 ``mv jnk/something bin/something 01:51:47 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found 01:51:48 its useless 01:51:52 `` mv jnk/something bin/something 01:51:55 .-. 01:51:57 No output. 01:51:59 its mine tho 01:52:00 moon__: Keep binaries in bin/ 01:52:05 kk 01:52:16 moon__: jnk is for keeping files that are meant to be catted 01:52:22 kk 01:52:26 moon__: And single data files 01:52:53 `mk jnk/readme//This area is for files ment to be catted and single data files 01:52:57 jnk/readme 01:52:59 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:53:02 *sigh* 01:53:06 `mk jnk/readme//'This area is for files ment to be catted and single data files' 01:53:10 jnk/readme 01:53:26 `` sed -i s/ment/meant/ jnk/readme 01:53:29 No output. 01:53:39 `cat readme 01:53:41 cat: readme: No such file or directory 01:53:43 `` mv jnk/readme jnk/README 01:53:44 `cat jnk/readme 01:53:47 No output. 01:53:48 cat: jnk/readme: No such file or directory 01:53:55 `cat jnk/README 01:53:57 ​'This area is for files meant to be catted and single data files' 01:54:14 `` sed -i s/'// jnk/README 01:54:17 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 01:54:31 `` sed -i "s/'//" jnk/README 01:54:39 No output. 01:54:50 `bookofeso 01:54:53 1:5/And fungot called the cloud internet, and the hard drive *n?x. And the DNS and the server were upon the first day. 01:55:28 `wisdom Moon_ 01:55:30 ​/cat: : No such file or directory 01:55:41 `? Moon_ 01:55:43 Moon_? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:55:46 `wisdom 01:55:48 heh/heh stands for hope ectoplasm helps. 01:55:48 `? moon 01:55:50 Moon is a person, not an unretroreflectorey object. 01:55:59 :) 01:56:08 `? ectoplasm 01:56:10 ectoplasm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:56:18 `kill oerjan 01:56:18 gtg 01:56:19 kill: failed to parse argument: 'oerjan' 01:56:22 OK, that's a little mean 01:56:27 `maim oerjan 01:56:28 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: maim: not found 01:56:51 can junk have batch files, like a maim file? 01:57:02 moon__: Batch files go in bin, AFAIR 01:57:09 Wait, that doesn't make much sense 01:57:10 Hm... 01:57:57 0== 💩 -> 🐌 01:58:05 `🐚 01:58:08 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 🐚: not found 01:58:18 0==🐌 01:58:53 `mk jnk/🐚//(1+sqrt(5))/2 hth 01:58:57 jnk/🐚 01:59:03 `cat jnk/🐚 01:59:04 ​(1+sqrt(5))/2 hth 01:59:11 Convenient 02:00:42 Huh. Unicode doesn't support the IS(I[SL])? flag. Weird. 02:01:12 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:02:14 I'm tempted to put the Illuminati Control Panel under bin/🔯, but I'm afraid of looking like a complete asshole. 02:02:19 gtg 02:02:40 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:06:45 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Messed up terminal). 02:06:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:09:22 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:09:44 tmux seemed to have zombified itself :( 02:10:04 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:10:18 time to shutdown the machine 02:10:28 it's not my machine 02:10:41 well not quite zombified, kill -9 worked 02:15:00 playing ftl 02:15:04 got an enemy ship where all the weapons are beams 02:15:06 lol 02:15:35 `ls jnk 02:15:37 ​🐚 \ README \ userweps 02:16:19 `cat jnk/🐚 02:16:21 ​(1+sqrt(5))/2 hth 02:16:42 `? 🐚 02:16:44 ​🐚? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:16:58 `` mv {jnk,wisdom}/🐚 02:17:04 No output. 02:17:13 `? userweps 02:17:16 userweps? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:17:28 `` mv {jnk,wisdom}/userweps 02:17:33 No output. 02:17:43 `cat jnk/README 02:17:44 This area is for files meant to be catted and single data files' 02:17:54 `` rm -r jnk 02:17:58 No output. 02:18:02 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 02:18:13 those belong in wisdom and share, respectively, hth 02:20:59 the latter is incidentally also the place i'll probably move other directories to if you keep filling the toplevel with them. 02:23:24 `` ls -a 02:23:41 ​^ \ ---##, \ ---▦▦ \ ---▦▦, \ :-( \ !\.´ \ . \ .. \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ .hg \ .hg_archival.txt \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ p 02:23:53 ``` ls -a 02:23:57 ​!\.´ \ ---##, \ ---▦▦ \ ---▦▦, \ . \ .. \ .hg \ .hg_archival.txt \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ :-( \ :-D \ Complaints.mp3 \ Eternity \ ReUariBw \ Something.c \ ^ \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls 02:24:12 `` ls .s* 02:24:13 ls: cannot access .s*: No such file or directory 02:24:20 ah ok 02:26:24 -!- Moon_ has joined. 02:26:31 Back 02:26:56 i exterminated the jnk/ directory and moved the important parts to wisdom/ 02:27:09 because it seemed redundant to me. 02:27:17 Up made that, not me 02:27:28 *hp 02:27:41 ok it was a bit confusing all around 02:27:50 especially with my client crashing about then 02:28:02 Lol 02:28:12 I just use the site 02:28:19 It's basically all around 02:29:29 'wisdom userweps 02:32:17 -!- adu has joined. 02:33:41 `cat bin/PRIVMSG 02:33:42 bin/indirecho echo "$@" 02:33:50 `cat bin/indirecho 02:33:51 cat: bin/indirecho: No such file or directory 02:33:57 `rm bin/PRIVMSG 02:34:00 No output. 02:36:58 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 02:46:15 -!- Warrigal has changed nick to tswett. 02:46:50 Boop 02:48:29 ARGH 02:48:33 Beep 02:50:23 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:50:47 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 02:57:49 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:01:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:06:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:06:54 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:07:02 -!- centrinia has joined. 03:08:31 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:08:46 Someone one mentioned to me a puzzle of Magic: the Gathering cards, which is for a permanent to be attached to another permanent that shares a planeswalker type with it, both controlled by the same player, and remain attached for an entire turn. 03:29:49 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:33:14 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:35:41 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:58:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:03:22 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:03:49 -!- Naraka has joined. 04:07:46 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:08:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:11:57 * oerjan looks suspiciously at Naraka 04:15:17 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: It's like I need to take a hint, but I don't know _how_...). 04:21:02 zzo38: Is it possible? 04:35:23 Apparently it is possible somehow. 04:35:58 Actually I am unsure whether it said owned by the same player or controlled by the same player; I forget. 04:54:31 There were other specifications too but I forget some 05:01:03 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:15:08 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:15:50 -!- trn has quit (Quit: quit). 05:21:53 -!- myndzi has joined. 05:28:25 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:32:21 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:45:07 -!- adu has joined. 05:49:33 -!- adu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:54:54 -!- Moon_ has joined. 05:55:01 Hi 05:59:15 no 06:05:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:12:16 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:14:33 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:24:53 -!- Moon_ has joined. 06:26:04 -!- trn has joined. 06:28:25 zzo38: it's "owned by the same player", there's no way to get around the planeswalker uniqueness rule otherwise (I've seen the puzzle, it also requires that both permanents are actually planeswalkers) 06:28:58 Permanents that aren't planeswalkers can't have planeswalker types I think. 06:29:20 (Non-creature permanents can still have creature types though, but that's different.) 06:30:54 ah right, losing a type makes you lose its subtypes? 06:30:55 "owned by the same player" makes more sense. 06:31:33 How would a subgame with ante work? 06:36:48 shachaf: I have asked the same question. I would do it that ownership changes simply persist across subgame boundaries, as well as restarted game boundaries (but not necessarily across duel boundaries; that is up to match rules). 06:37:46 how does ante work if you have a 7-card library? 06:38:09 (and don't mulligan) 06:38:16 this is a situation that can come up with subgames 06:38:29 actually IMO the most sensible way to do ante with subgames is to not ante at the start of the subgame 06:38:46 Yes I did also specify that you don't ante at the start of a subgame. 06:38:49 and any cards that end up in the ante zone at the end of the subgame are transferred to the library of the subgame's winner in the next game up 06:38:54 But that some cards may nevertheless add stuff to the ante zone. 06:42:04 My specification would be that they are shuffled into the main game library belonging to the subgame's winner once the subgame is finished, since he owns them. 06:45:29 The other consideration of ante is interaction with team game. I would specify that for a subgame, cards not already owned by the winning team are assigned randomly to winners of the subgame that are still in the subgame (players may concede the subgame at this time if they believe it helpful to assign to a particular player); for a main game, the winning team assigns cards that winning team doesn't own among themselves however they wish (whether 06:45:37 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:47:19 (Which way is best can depend on match rules. In the case of permanent ante, it may be necessary for the team to come to an agreement before the game starts.) 06:48:01 I hope this makes sense to you! What would you think of it? 06:53:27 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:53:33 I do think the rules for ante are a bit messy and would want to correct it. 06:57:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:06:37 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Quit: http://corewar.co.uk). 07:10:56 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 07:23:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:33:33 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:39:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:41:31 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 07:51:26 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:53:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:54:58 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:58:33 -!- ais523 has joined. 07:59:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:58:16 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:58:18 -!- staffehn_ has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer). 08:58:21 -!- dingbat__ has joined. 08:58:24 -!- tswett has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:58:37 -!- dingbat__ has quit (Changing host). 08:58:37 -!- dingbat__ has joined. 08:58:42 -!- staffehn has joined. 08:58:46 -!- dingbat has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:59:23 -!- myndzi has quit (Excess Flood). 08:59:23 -!- aloril_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:59:41 -!- dingbat__ has changed nick to dingbat. 08:59:50 -!- Warrigal has joined. 09:00:52 -!- aloril_ has joined. 09:01:42 -!- myndzi has joined. 09:17:22 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:19:46 -!- Sgeo has joined. 09:21:27 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 09:30:21 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:35:34 -!- ybden has joined. 09:35:36 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:17:13 -!- Froox has joined. 10:20:15 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:39:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:26:57 -!- boily has joined. 11:51:16 @ask oerjan you pun? are you shachaf in disguise? 11:51:16 Consider it noted. 11:52:19 Moon_: Mhelloon_. what with the snail cannon? 12:01:09 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:05:22 -!- Warrigal has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 12:07:30 -!- Warrigal has joined. 12:18:53 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FIGHTER CHICKEN). 12:21:59 -!- adu has joined. 12:32:26 `? cannon 12:32:29 `? snail 12:33:14 cannon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:33:14 snail? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:34:58 "Someone one mentioned to me a puzzle of Magic: the Gathering cards, which is for a permanent to be attached to another permanent that shares a planeswalker type with it, both controlled by the same player, and remain attached for an entire turn." -- tricky 12:36:13 ah, " zzo38: it's "owned by the same player", there's no way to get around the planeswalker uniqueness rule otherwise (I've seen the puzzle, it also requires that both permanents are actually planeswalkers)" 12:44:08 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 12:53:58 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:16:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:21:04 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:27:41 :( 13:30:02 i don't like this idea of MtG puzzles. when there are that many rules to something, puzzles must typically amount to knowing lots of rules and where they apply 13:39:59 [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46913&oldid=46908 * H3LL * (+127) 13:40:30 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46914&oldid=46913 * H3LL * (+0) /* External resources */ 13:57:55 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:59:49 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 14:02:43 [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46915&oldid=46914 * Quintopia * (+100) categories 14:31:32 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:37:27 [wiki] [[Talk:Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46916&oldid=46910 * H3LL * (+140) 14:45:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:45:05 -!- nycs has joined. 14:55:27 [wiki] [[Talk:Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46917&oldid=46916 * H3LL * (+5) /* Confusion IDE uploaded */ 15:25:13 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46918&oldid=46915 * H3LL * (+15) /* Implementations */ 15:48:49 -!- jaboja has joined. 15:51:13 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:57:39 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:00:41 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 16:16:12 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:21:15 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:48:42 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:53:53 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:56:12 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:57:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:10:20 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 17:11:21 -!- Reece` has joined. 17:14:03 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:17:37 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:27:24 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:27:59 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:36:49 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:44:40 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:48:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:50:57 I think that the USA's current class (not a set, for obvious reasons) of predicaments in the Middle East needs a name 17:51:05 I propose "The Millennium Clusterfuck" 17:51:07 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:52:48 what would it need a name for 17:57:41 So that you can know what it is called. 18:01:20 -!- Kaynato has joined. 18:15:21 zzo38: But that doesn't always help, e.g. with Lewis Carroll's song called "Ways and Means", whose name is "The Aged Aged Man". 18:16:49 Yes, OK it doesn't always help. But sometimes it help. 18:20:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:22:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:29:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:34:44 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:35:10 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 18:55:02 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 18:55:18 `olist 1035 18:55:20 -!- idris-bot has joined. 18:55:34 olist 1035: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 19:01:04 -!- centrinia has joined. 19:29:39 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 19:43:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:45:28 o great 19:50:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:53:52 Do you like my brother's idea of Un-card "In A Band With Others"? 19:56:12 How to generate an optimized palette? 19:59:37 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:00:13 hppavilion[1]: i propose brushfire wars, on account of those were the conflicts preceding the zombie war in world war z 20:01:05 zzo38: ask codu 20:01:14 -!- rdococ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:01:40 (optimized for what? 20:01:42 ) 20:04:05 -!- nchambers has left ("Leaving"). 20:04:16 -!- puckipedia has joined. 20:08:46 [wiki] [[3code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46919&oldid=44834 * 82.2.190.177 * (-10) Updated to new link 20:09:08 -!- Frooxius has joined. 20:10:02 -!- Caesura has joined. 20:11:52 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:13:13 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:16:35 -!- spiette has joined. 20:21:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:22:24 If you want "optimized" in the sense of best representing some non-palettized image, I think a classic method is an octree-based quantization. 20:23:10 zzo38: What would that card do? 20:23:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:23:55 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:28:29 In A Band With Others {1W} Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant creature ;; Whenever enchanted creature attacks as part of a band containing additional creatures, its controller must sing a song during the entire duration of the attack. Combat damage is not dealt until song is complete. 20:28:41 Another kind of a classic in that field is the http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dekker/NEUQUANT.HTML which I know mostly because it's based on a Kohonen network, and my office used to be almost next to Kohonen's. But it also has ended up in quite a few programs. 20:29:03 etter learn some 5 second long songs 20:29:27 how the hell did i do,that 20:29:37 I think you made a B into a ^B. 20:29:37 You must have pushed control instead of shift 20:29:56 huh 20:30:00 indeed 20:30:07 zzo38: I would expect it to interact with the "bands with other" mechanic. 20:30:45 shachaf: It doesn't matter whether it is ordinary banding or "bands with other", as long as it is attacking as part of a band containing additional creatures. 20:31:02 zzo38: Yes, but I would have expected it to explicitly interact with that mechanic. 20:31:23 Yes, although that isn't what it does 20:31:31 `quote name for a band 20:34:48 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 20:35:11 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:35:58 -!- Reece` has quit (Client Quit). 20:36:47 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:37:13 -!- Reece` has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:37:27 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:38:37 -!- Reece` has quit (Client Quit). 20:42:19 -!- singingb1yo has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- spiette has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- ski has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- zgrep has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- acertain has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- ineiros has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- copumpkin has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- hydraz has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- newsham has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- zzo38 has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- HackEgo has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- cnr has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- augur has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- MDude has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- nisstyre has quit (*.net *.split). 20:42:19 -!- olsner has quit (*.net *.split). 20:46:09 -!- singingboyo has joined. 20:46:52 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:51:36 -!- spiette has joined. 20:51:36 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:51:36 -!- HackEgo has joined. 20:51:36 -!- cnr has joined. 20:51:36 -!- augur has joined. 20:51:36 -!- MDude has joined. 20:51:36 -!- nisstyre has joined. 20:51:36 -!- olsner has joined. 20:51:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:51:38 -!- ski has joined. 20:51:38 -!- zgrep has joined. 20:51:38 -!- acertain has joined. 20:51:38 -!- ineiros has joined. 20:51:38 -!- copumpkin has joined. 20:51:38 -!- hydraz has joined. 20:51:38 -!- newsham has joined. 20:54:45 -!- nisstyre has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 20:56:12 -!- kline has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:56:55 -!- spiette has changed nick to Guest4429. 20:57:20 -!- Guest4429 has quit (Quit: :qa!). 20:57:45 -!- nisstyre has joined. 20:57:51 -!- Guest4429 has joined. 21:00:39 -!- erdic has joined. 21:01:55 -!- kline has joined. 21:03:51 `? web 21:03:53 web? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:03:57 `? gold 21:03:58 gold? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:04:32 `? money 21:04:34 money? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:05:34 -!- Guest4429 has quit (Quit: :qa!). 21:05:51 -!- spiette_ has joined. 21:07:11 `? b_jonas 21:07:13 b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek. 21:07:25 * ybden wishes they could understand this 21:08:16 -!- spiette_ has changed nick to spiette. 21:09:30 * quintopia wonders whether ybden uses "I" or "we" when speaking in the first person 21:10:07 quintopia: sometimes "we"; mostly "I". 21:10:19 quintopia: huh what? 21:10:47 b_jonas: "they" is to the third person as "we" is to the first person 21:11:37 ah 21:11:46 I see, it's re “ybden wishes they could understand this” 21:11:53 Presumably. 21:13:49 bon_journas 21:14:16 can you understand it? 21:14:24 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:18:51 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:21:11 -!- shikhin has changed nick to butthenthisreall. 21:21:25 -!- butthenthisreall has changed nick to shikhin. 21:35:25 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:36:38 -!- nycs has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:40:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:46:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:56:58 -!- nycs has joined. 21:57:35 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:08:43 -!- moon_ has joined. 22:08:45 hia 22:12:30 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:19:11 hello? 22:19:16 `ls jnk 22:19:18 ls: cannot access jnk: No such file or directory 22:20:06 lag 22:20:09 `ping 22:20:11 pong 22:23:57 `ls 22:24:03 ​^ \ ---##, \ ---▦▦ \ ---▦▦, \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ 22:24:18 `---▦▦ 22:24:19 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ---▦▦: not found 22:24:23 `ls ---▦▦ 22:24:23 ls: unrecognized option '---▦▦' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 22:24:30 `ls ---▦▦/ 22:24:30 ls: unrecognized option '---▦▦/' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 22:24:34 `ls /---▦▦/ 22:24:35 ls: cannot access /---▦▦/: No such file or directory 22:24:40 `ls /---##/ 22:24:41 ls: cannot access /---##/: No such file or directory 22:24:44 `ls ---## 22:24:46 ls: unrecognized option '---##' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 22:25:02 `ls -- ---## 22:25:03 ls: unrecognized option '-- ---##' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 22:25:14 `ls ./--## 22:25:16 ls: cannot access ./--##: No such file or directory 22:25:20 `ls ./---## 22:25:21 ls: cannot access ./---##: No such file or directory 22:25:29 lol 22:25:39 Hmm, does it not properly handle --? 22:25:51 -!- singingboyo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:25:56 its the unacessable flyswatter 22:26:20 aparently not 22:26:30 `swat ybden 22:26:30 ​---▦▦ bad ybden 22:26:53 if you use a single ` the given command gets at most one argument... even if you have more than one space 22:27:31 `` ls -la -- ---##, 22:27:34 ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 9 May 3 00:25 ---##, 22:27:45 -!- Kaynato has joined. 22:28:09 .. 22:28:36 `culprits ---##, 22:28:40 hg log: option ---##, not recognized 22:28:44 tsk! 22:28:52 `ciol someone is trolling us 22:28:53 `culprits ./---##, 22:28:58 `ciol rsomeone is trolling us; 22:29:12 `culprits "---##," 22:29:16 someone is trolling us 22:29:24 No output. 22:29:29 moon__ 22:29:31 No output. 22:29:37 wait huh 22:29:44 i never made a -## 22:29:50 that i know of 22:29:56 zgrep: that'll just pass a file name that contains a " character 22:30:16 int-e: I was willing to take the chance that it got passed to bash somewhere along the way. :P 22:30:21 (well, two of them) 22:30:31 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:30:34 `cat bin/culprits 22:30:36 hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 22:30:50 Does hg do the -- thing? 22:31:00 http://esolangs.org/wiki/CIOL 22:31:11 oh, wrong thing 22:31:20 v 22:31:21 http://esolangs.org/wiki/CIOL 22:31:23 fuu 22:31:33 0==🐌 22:31:41 `` sed -i 's/removed/removed --/' bin/culprits 22:31:42 *snail cannon* 22:31:47 No output. 22:31:48 `culprits ---##, 22:31:55 moon__ 22:32:06 i never made those that i kno of 22:32:14 `cat ---#, 22:32:15 cat: unrecognized option '---#,' \ Try `cat --help' for more information. 22:32:20 `cat ./---#, 22:32:21 cat: ./---#,: No such file or directory 22:32:24 `cat ./---##, 22:32:26 bad moon 22:32:33 ... 22:32:48 someone is shitting with me 22:33:24 ` echo >---##, bad moon 22:33:37 (initial ` omitted) 22:34:10 that explains it, but i dont think i ever said that 22:35:14 well, somebody calling themselved moon__ did, 21ish hours ago. 22:35:28 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:35:47 huh 22:36:23 `ls bin 22:36:26 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ bookofeso \ 22:36:48 where do i browse hackegos file system again 22:36:50 its a site.. 22:37:01 nvm 22:38:39 `luarocks 22:38:41 ​ \ LuaRocks 2.0.12, a module deployment system for Lua \ \ NAME \ luarocks - LuaRocks main command-line interface \ \ SYNOPSIS \ luarocks [--from= | --only-from=] [--to=] [VAR=VALUE]... [] \ \ GENERAL OPTIONS \ These apply to all commands, as appropriate: \ \ --server= Fetch rocks/r 22:39:41 -!- boily has joined. 22:39:52 hia bioly 22:39:56 *boily 22:40:03 mhelloon_! 22:40:20 biological boily: bioly. 22:41:13 `? wat 22:41:14 ​ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው። 22:41:58 `mkdir templates 22:42:00 No output. 22:44:13 `` mk templates/terminalWrapper//'output=$(softwaretorungoeshere) | eval $output' 22:44:17 templates/terminalWrapper 22:44:34 simply executes any command that the program passes on 22:45:11 ``mv templates/terminalWrapper templates/termwrapperOut 22:45:13 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found 22:45:15 software to rung? 22:45:20 `` mv templates/terminalWrapper templates/termwrapperOut 22:45:23 No output. 22:45:26 'software to run goes here' 22:45:39 alongside its arguments 22:46:15 note that it doesnt get any hackego side assistance like '' 22:46:29 `ls templates 22:46:31 termwrapperOut 22:46:50 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 22:47:07 fungot: do you ring software? ♪ 22:47:07 boily: and have a cost on everything in the file, not one cluttered with macros implementing half a reader, so passing it invalid arguments will result in a lot of things 22:47:32 anywasy 22:47:42 that output wrapper might work, eh? 22:48:15 `` output=$(softwaretorungoeshere) | out2 = eval $output | echo $out2' 22:48:17 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 22:48:41 `` `output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | out2 = eval $output | echo $out2' 22:48:42 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 22:48:57 `` 'output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | out2 = eval $output | echo $out2' 22:48:58 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | out2 = eval $output | echo $out2: command not found 22:49:08 `` 'output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | out2 = eval $output' 22:49:08 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | out2 = eval $output: command not found 22:49:16 `` 'output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | eval $output' 22:49:17 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | eval $output: command not found 22:49:19 whayt 22:49:24 eval should exist 22:50:03 `` output=$(ciol recho oops!;) | eval $output 22:50:05 No output. 22:50:18 `` output=$(ciol recho win;) | eval $output 22:50:19 No output. 22:50:32 `` output=$(ciol recho win;) eval $output 22:50:33 No output. 22:50:36 ?? 22:50:48 `` output=$(ciol rls;) eval $output 22:50:49 No output. 22:50:53 ??? 22:51:36 `` mk templates/termwrapperOut//output=$(ciol rls;) eval $output 22:51:39 templates/termwrapperOut 22:51:51 `` mk templates/termwrapperOut//output=$(command and args goes here) eval $output 22:51:53 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: and: command not found \ templates/termwrapperOut 22:52:07 `` mk templates/termwrapperOut//'output=$(command and args goes here) eval $output' 22:52:10 templates/termwrapperOut 22:52:22 .-. 22:53:29 `` cmd='echo Hi\!'; eval "$cmd" 22:53:31 Hi! 22:54:10 HackEllo. 22:54:16 `` mk templates/termwrapperOut//'output=$(command and args goes here) eval "$output"' 22:54:20 templates/termwrapperOut 22:54:26 thx int-e 22:54:55 `` mk templates/termwrapperOut//'output='Command goes here' eval "$output"' 22:54:59 templates/termwrapperOut 22:55:06 * moon_ is learning new tricks 22:55:18 * moon_ is rather unlike a old dog 22:55:20 you're missing the point. 22:55:43 also has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, HackEgo isn't the best interface for learning shell programming? 22:55:53 lol 22:56:14 *is too lazy to install linux* 22:56:26 *windows lacks all the commands* 22:56:27 if one happens to understand all the intricacies of shell programming through HackEgo, that's impressive! 22:56:37 moon_: shame. ♪ shame. ♪ 22:56:44 moon_: Not anymore... https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about 22:57:00 moon_: Ubuntu you machine! shoo! go and install! 22:57:40 does cygwin have the commands? 22:58:10 install the real deal. 22:58:31 cygwin has a bash and the relevant gnu tools 22:58:32 (cygwin has an almost POSIX shell. but you're missing out on the Real Stuff.) 22:58:37 hem, i hate windows 10 22:58:58 * boily mapoles moon_ with a FOSS mapole 22:59:58 `? mapole 22:59:59 A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. 23:00:00 [a FOSS mapole is just as functional as an ordinary mapole but without the good looks ----###] 23:00:18 int-e: that's not a mapole hth 23:00:33 int-e: your mapole looks suspiciously like a swatter hth 23:01:09 imperial mapoles look like that 23:01:10 true. 23:01:46 i dont have the time to install win 10 right no 23:01:58 my pc is annoying and wont let me in the first place 23:03:05 Embrace the Eightfold Way of the Penguin. 23:04:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:04:39 -!- nycs has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:05:17 eightfold, hmm 23:05:45 for now, cygwin is the best i can do 23:06:33 actually, besides Ubuntu and Gentoo, are there any other Linux distributions named after actual penguins? 23:06:49 wait. Ubuntu is a species of penguin??? 23:06:54 It isn't. 23:07:11 * boily has a Seed of Doubt planted in his soul 23:07:57 yeah it's not... what am I mixing up this time... 23:08:15 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:08:53 "Korora is Māori for Little Penguin" ... that wasn't it, but it's cute. 23:10:53 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 23:12:03 `? korora 23:12:04 korora? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:17 `? ubuntu 23:12:18 ubuntu? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:20 `? gentoo 23:12:22 gentoo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:23 `? debian 23:12:24 debian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:34 `? penguin 23:12:35 penguin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:37 `ls templates 23:12:38 termwrapperOut 23:13:38 `fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/BGTV9E93 23:13:39 2016-05-03 22:13:32 URL:http://pastebin.com/raw/BGTV9E93 [3761] -> "BGTV9E93" [1] 23:14:19 `mv BGTV9E93 templates/esolanginterptemp-ciol- 23:14:20 mv: missing destination file operand after `BGTV9E93 templates/esolanginterptemp-ciol-' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 23:14:28 `` mv BGTV9E93 templates/esolanginterptemp-ciol- 23:14:31 No output. 23:14:51 my interpreter's basic code is a good template :P 23:14:58 int-e: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/linuxone/enterprise-linux-systems/rockhopper.html 23:15:01 int-e: That's a penguin. 23:15:20 `ls templates 23:15:21 esolanginterptemp-ciol- \ termwrapperOut 23:16:34 slightly empty, but of use 23:16:35 good 23:16:50 I think I misremembered and Gentoo was the only one I ever knew. 23:17:00 That's the weirdest name. 23:17:07 stupid unreliable brain 23:17:07 Why does it end with a dash. 23:17:33 pointing something out 23:17:34 with it 23:18:03 `ls 23:18:09 ​^ \ ---##, \ ---▦▦ \ ---▦▦, \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ 23:18:58 `` rm -- ---* 23:19:02 No output. 23:19:10 `cat ^ 23:19:11 No output. 23:19:17 `cat :-( 23:19:18 ​☹ 23:19:24 I would argue the proper name and place would be src/ciol.c, if you wanted to have that source on the bot. 23:19:41 `cat evil 23:19:43 cat: evil: Is a directory 23:19:48 `` mk templates/termwrapperOut//'output="Command goes here" eval "$output"' 23:19:53 templates/termwrapperOut 23:20:03 `cat termwrapperOut 23:20:03 cat: termwrapperOut: No such file or directory 23:20:08 wh do you keep doing that.. 23:20:10 it was broken, i viewed it 23:20:31 output=Command was hat it contained 23:20:38 `cat templates/termwrapperOut 23:20:40 output="Command goes here" eval "$output" 23:20:49 It's arguably still "broken". 23:20:50 good gosh >_> 23:21:43 `mk templates/termwrapperOut//output='Command goes here' eval "$output" 23:21:46 templates/termwrapperOut 23:21:49 `evil 23:21:50 KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY. 23:21:55 `cat templates/termwrapperOut 23:21:56 output='Command goes here' eval "$output" 23:21:57 ah. so that's what it's for 23:22:12 being very, very evil 23:22:21 `cat evil 23:22:23 cat: evil: Is a directory 23:22:27 `cat bin/evil 23:22:27 cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' 23:23:07 well im getting better at shell scripting in hack ego, right? 23:23:30 and shell scripting in general :P 23:23:47 `output='ciol' eval "$output" 23:23:49 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: output='ciol': not found 23:23:57 ? 23:24:01 thats a value 23:24:05 why wont it work 23:24:44 `output=`ciol` eval "$output" 23:24:45 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: output=`ciol`: not found 23:25:12 `output='ciol eval "$output" 23:25:15 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: output='ciol: not found 23:25:18 `output="ciol" eval "$output" 23:25:18 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: output="ciol": not found 23:25:22 .... 23:25:30 do you even read what it's saying? 23:25:48 *is idiotic and doesnt quite get the output* 23:25:56 `output="ciol" eval $output 23:25:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: output="ciol": not found 23:26:09 `` output="ciol" eval $output 23:26:10 No output. 23:26:10 it's trying to execute a command called: output="ciol" 23:26:15 ohlol 23:26:21 `` output="ciol rhi;" eval $output 23:26:22 No output. 23:26:38 `` output="ciol recho hi;" eval $output 23:26:40 No output. 23:26:43 .-. 23:26:50 ......... 23:27:01 `` output="cat bin/evil" eval $output 23:27:03 No output. 23:27:08 *idiotic* 23:27:21 and yet you keep trying the same thing 23:27:53 -!- boily has quit (Quit: LARGE CHICKEN). 23:28:11 *needs explainaiton* 23:28:29 `` foo=bar echo ${foo} 23:28:30 No output. 23:28:32 `` cmd='echo Hi!' sh -c 'eval $cmd' # let's have some variation here 23:28:34 Hi! 23:28:45 ooooh 23:28:51 thanks 23:28:55 there's a difference between a=b c and a=b;c 23:29:12 `` foo=bar echo $foo 23:29:14 No output. 23:29:22 int-e: is HackEgo a proper shell interpreter? 23:29:27 ybden: YES 23:29:36 ybden: $foo is expanded by the shell... 23:29:44 `` foo=bar sh -c 'echo $foo' 23:29:46 bar 23:30:00 `mk templates/termwrapperOut//cmd='echo Hi!' sh -c 'eval $cmd' # thx int-e 23:30:03 templates/termwrapperOut 23:30:12 `cat termwrapperout 23:30:13 `` export foo=bar; echo ${foo} 23:30:14 foo=bar is passed as an environment variable to echo (or would be, if it were not a shell builtin) 23:30:19 cat: termwrapperout: No such file or directory 23:30:19 bar 23:30:22 `mk templates/termwrapperOut//cmd='echo Hi!' sh -c 'eval $cmd' rem thx int-e 23:30:26 int-e: I just forgot how variables worked 23:30:27 templates/termwrapperOut 23:30:30 does rem work here? 23:30:33 uknow 23:30:36 batch like comments 23:30:59 moon_: comments are prefixed with hash 23:31:00 `` foo=bar; foo=baz sh -c "echo $foo \$foo" 23:31:02 bar baz 23:31:16 `mk templates/termwrapperOut//cmd='echo Hi!' sh -c 'eval $cmd' # thx int-e 23:31:18 templates/termwrapperOut 23:31:22 but it wont show up in the file.. 23:31:32 *sigh* 23:31:56 nvm 23:32:07 it shows up in the file viewer on the site 23:32:14 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/df2153221fce/templates/termwrapperOut 23:32:15 anyways 23:32:25 that templates directory will come in handy some day 23:32:35 doubtful 23:32:40 also, don't thank me for that 23:32:52 `mk templates/termwrapperOut//cmd='echo Hi!' sh -c 'eval $cmd' 23:32:58 templates/termwrapperOut 23:34:41 (this is really the wrong way to do it. but it's demonstrating something.) 23:41:23 Oh, it's certainly something. 23:42:23 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:42:41 -!- fowl has changed nick to f0wl. 23:42:42 Although I can't quite deduce what that something has to do with the concepts "term", "wrapper" or "out". 23:43:11 -!- f0wl has changed nick to notfowl. 23:43:57 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 23:44:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:44:41 @messages- 23:44:41 boily asked 11h 53m 25s ago: you pun? are you shachaf in disguise? 23:45:33 @tell boily I'll have you know I punned before shachaf was even born (or so I assume, my memory is a bit vague) 23:45:33 Consider it noted. 23:45:50 Yeah, that was a bit of a weird question. 23:45:50 oerjan: nothing existed before shachaf was born hth 23:45:52 OTP and all that. 23:46:02 one true pun? 23:46:03 shachaf: that'd explain it. 23:46:21 * oerjan is not entirely sure how old shachaf is. 23:46:33 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:46:36 approaching dinosaur territory 23:46:44 [REDACTED]'s terrible pun. 23:46:49 is dinosaur = 30? 23:46:53 whoa whoa whoa 23:46:58 that's beyond dinosaur 23:47:08 let's not get carried away here 23:47:18 i think you're misspelling mammoth or sabretooth tiger, then 23:47:20 no offense to the ultrasaurs of this channel 23:48:21 i'm thinking somewhere between 23-27. 23:48:24 i'll take sabretooth tigre 23:49:30 hm, i joined #haskell almost 10 years ago 23:49:47 and as you know, everyone joins when they're 16. 23:49:58 this function wont work, idk why const char * formatBash(char* potxt, char* scripttorun) { char* prostring = "echo "; strcat(prostring,potxt); strcat(prostring,"\n"); strcat(prostring,scripttorun); return *prostring; } 23:49:59 +- 23:50:14 except those who were 16 before irc was invented. 23:50:18 i was not yet 16 23:50:46 sounds like i was pretty close, then. 23:51:33 fizzie: it's probably related to my latest addition to `? oerjan 23:52:05 You return a char as const char* and use a static string as mutable char* it should be const char* 23:52:13 (which also prompted me making `? overlord) 23:52:22 *to make 23:52:45 its complaining of conflicting typues 23:52:50 i fixed that 23:53:12 "return *prostring" tries to return a single char. 23:53:25 The one prostring points at. 23:53:31 .-. 23:53:43 . o O ( has fizzie made a diagram of wisdom/ editors yet ) 23:54:09 oerjan: An unforgivable lapse. No, I haven't. 23:54:16 recursive book cover in harry potter 5 http://i.imgur.com/aTxkJ7a.jpg 23:54:34 looks corecursive to me hth 23:54:48 `` \? lystrosaur # obviously by current age standards, i must be this. 23:54:50 The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. 23:56:14 The illustrious lystrosaurs. 23:56:15 oerjan: your puns are typically about one sixth of triassic hth 23:56:30 I seem to be formulating an Esolang Development Strategy 23:57:39 its complaining of conflicting typues <-- conflicting typos are indeed insidious 23:58:17 I'm calling it Paradigm-Applicable Transplant 23:58:37 and hat is it for 23:58:37 Basically, it's where you take two fairly different languages that share some similarities 23:58:57 Find a way to generalize those similarities in one of the languages (e.g. functions -> coroutines) 23:59:00 *trys to put brainfuck in c, gets CIOL* 23:59:02 Then apply the generalization to the other language 23:59:14 *wants to go deeper* 23:59:30 I think "formatBash" is a perfect name for a function that crashes the program. 23:59:40 lol 23:59:45 i made fails 2016-05-04: 00:00:05 `ls templates 00:00:06 hp 00:00:07 ^ 00:00:10 esolanginterptemp-ciol- \ termwrapperOut 00:00:13 ^ 00:00:14 So, for example, Generational Haskell comes from transplanting generators (semicoroutines) (something similar to functions) into Haskell (which is purely-functional) 00:00:20 what 00:00:32 oerjan: Me? 00:00:37 `culprits templates 00:00:40 hppavilion[1]: WHAT?! 00:00:52 moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ 00:00:56 oerjan: what, not even a swat? 00:01:01 (Hm, I just realized that HackEgo responses will still come through when used by someone you've blocked) 00:01:03 * oerjan swats moon_ -----### 00:01:13 hppavilion[1]: why would you extend a language by something the language can already express fairly well... 00:01:22 int-e: That's just one example 00:01:32 shachaf: i could make no sense of it. 00:01:34 int-e: Also, you can generalize the transplanted change into something new 00:01:49 no 00:01:56 not I 00:02:18 oerjan: i guess it applies to my own puns too in that case 00:02:18 int-e: For example, a generator in Haskell- by my understanding- would be like a function together with a queue. When the generator is called, its return values (plural) are enqueued- in order- into the queue 00:02:31 > [1..] 00:02:32 [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... 00:02:47 Then the head of the queue is popped and returned to the caller 00:02:55 hppavilion[1]: Usually people just use a list. 00:03:01 int-e: I may be misunderstanding generators, though I think that's an iterator 00:03:04 shachaf: Yes, true 00:03:14 Maybe you should learn Haskell. 00:03:14 shachaf: But this allows things like dup x 00:03:19 shachaf: I should 00:03:23 Which returns x 00:03:28 Then the next time it's called it returns x again 00:03:42 I don't follow. 00:03:52 shachaf: I think I misunderstood generators 00:03:59 oerjan: you're not just going to let that pun slide off the screen are you 00:04:24 > unfoldr (\x -> Just (x, x+3)) 2 00:04:25 [2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35,38,41,44,47,50,53,56,59,62,65,68,71,74,77,... 00:04:39 shachaf: It's just an example of the concept 00:04:46 there, have some "internal state" 00:05:04 int-e: what if i want side effects hth 00:05:14 shachaf: what pun 00:05:28 shachaf: then Haskell isn't for you... or you are in iteratee territory. 00:05:31 oerjan: the one you didn't make sense of 00:06:01 my #esoteric window is only 80 x 21, anyway. 00:06:03 though perhaps on this channel I should just suggest inlinePerformIO 00:06:32 oerjan: your puns are typically about one sixth of triassic hth 00:06:48 ... I was going to say it should be 80x24 ... but yeah. 80x21 makes sense. 00:06:51 it had slid off before you even started complaining 00:07:05 good thing it's back 00:07:13 int-e: it's sharing vertical space with ##nomic. 00:07:14 I... don't get it either 00:07:25 oerjan: okay. didn't expect that. 00:07:40 oerjan: I expected a 24 lines (standard) xterm with irssi :P 00:07:41 (which only gets 12 lines, being usually silent.) 00:08:07 (-title -status -input) 00:08:08 oerjan: Why is it not tabbed? 00:08:15 int-e: it's a max height window but a rather large font. 00:08:16 oerjan: I mean, pseudo-tabbed 00:08:35 hppavilion[1]: you're making assumptions 00:08:39 and a rather not tall laptop screen 00:08:40 oerjan: Is this a custom IRC client? 00:08:50 hppavilion[1]: irssi inside tmux 00:09:00 but tmux only takes one line 00:09:19 * hppavilion[1] has forgotten what tmux is 00:09:27 It's like screen, only different. 00:09:31 Terminal MULtiplexer 00:09:34 er 00:09:40 MUltipleXer 00:09:41 Ah 00:09:55 ` mk quines/ciol// +jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:09:56 Terminal MUXitrebbel. 00:10:01 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found 00:10:03 oerjan: the pun is "halfassic" hth 00:10:09 ` mk quines/ciol//+jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:10:10 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found 00:10:13 ? 00:10:14 ..... 00:10:15 Ooooooooooooooh 00:10:17 `mk quines/ciol//+jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:10:21 hppavilion[1]: when i tried screen it had trouble with unicode and someone suggested tmux was better 00:10:23 quines/ciol 00:10:32 shachaf: oooh 00:10:34 `cat quines/ciol 00:10:35 ​+jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 00:10:37 tmux has trouble with unicode too 00:11:24 but not the same trouble 00:11:24 AIUI, screen has a long history of having trouble with Unicode going beyond the BMP. (Is that over now?) 00:11:33 fizzie: I don't think that's over. 00:11:34 `unidecode 亨 00:11:43 ​[U+4EA8 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4EA8] 00:11:44 Last I heard they still didn't support four-byte UTF-8 sequences. 00:12:02 `cat evil 00:12:03 cat: evil: Is a directory 00:12:05 I never know whether to blame screen or something else when that doesn't work. 00:12:10 I am making the UTCE specification more now; I am now writing the part about the Infocom character graphics set. 00:12:13 `cat bin/evil 00:12:14 cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' 00:12:33 My complaint is that I have one tmux session that has two or three clients connected to it at the same time. 00:12:44 I'm only using one of those clients at a time, but I don't want to disconnect the others. 00:12:48 scuse me, please dont interupt meat the sec 00:12:56 `mkdir advice 00:12:58 No output. 00:12:58 moon_: `bookofeso 00:13:03 But tmux always chooses the smallest one for the size of the terminal. 00:13:19 `wisdom 00:13:21 substructural typing/Not to be confused with structural subtyping. 00:13:30 i forgot about that 00:13:31 `? modal logic 00:13:33 `rm wisdom/substructural typing 00:13:33 modal logic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:13:33 ouch. 00:13:34 `rm advice 00:13:36 No output. 00:13:36 rm: cannot remove `advice': Is a directory 00:13:41 .-. 00:13:46 moon_: About what? 00:13:50 `rmdir advice 00:13:52 No output. 00:13:58 hppavilion[1]: `wisdom 00:14:05 moon_: ... 00:14:17 I got hung up on the concept of interrupt meat. 00:14:22 `` rm canary; list 00:14:28 lol *me at 00:14:39 No, no, meat was better. 00:14:39 hppavilion[1] Phantom_Hoover int-e b_jonas boily a`a`a`a`jo7as a`a`a`a`jo8as a`a`a`a`jo3as a`a`a`a`jo6as a`a`a`a`jo5as a`a`a`a`jo4as a`a`a`a`jo2as a`a`a`a`jo1as a`a`a`a`jonas0 a`a`a`a lambdabot chicken_jonas myname 00:14:49 moon_: To be fair, `wisdom is more definitions whereas `advice could be stuff to do 00:14:51 still no new entries. 00:15:05 heh, true 00:15:07 ill make it then 00:15:12 `mkdir advice 00:15:16 mkdir: cannot create directory `advice': File exists 00:15:16 I don't think we need it. 00:15:19 moon_: Get someone's approval first :P 00:15:26 lol but you approved 00:15:33 moon_: I never approved 00:15:37 moon_: I just made a declaration 00:15:43 eh, true 00:15:46 *nearly* 00:15:59 who thinks we could have `advice? 00:16:16 moon_: I'm not qualified to approve because I love new `s 00:16:21 Could and should are two very different things. 00:16:24 `bookofeso 00:16:27 1:5/And fungot called the cloud internet, and the hard drive *n?x. And the DNS and the server were upon the first day. 00:16:30 Weird 00:16:35 I think HackEgo could and shouldn't have `advice as proposed. 00:16:36 It always says that one 00:16:38 `bookofeso 00:16:40 1:2/And #esoteric was without denizens, and empty; and the order was on the face of the PDP-8. And the software of fungot moved upon the face of the scrollback. 00:17:08 `cat bin/wisdom 00:17:09 F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 00:17:17 so, make it or not 00:17:22 moon_: shachaf vetoes 00:17:26 `wisdom 00:17:28 ruddy/HackEgo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:17:30 moon_: 5 toes 00:17:33 *sigh* 00:17:43 `wisdom 00:17:44 quit//quit 00:17:45 `` sed -i 's#/"#//"#' bin/wisdom 00:17:48 No output. 00:17:55 If you didn't do anything shachaf vetoed, you wouldn't have a lot of fun. 00:18:03 It comes with being a demisaur. 00:18:03 moon_: The only person here with higher authority than shachaf is fungot iirc 00:18:04 hppavilion[1]: but are the problems only when connecting?' the closest thing to this we have in scheme, but can't 00:18:27 Now the document of UTCE assigns the codes for all DEC Technical characters and all Infocom character graphics, as well as VT100 character graphics, PC character set, Russian alphabets, Apple MouseText, and partially single-wide katakana. 00:19:00 oerjan: Why is it not tabbed? <-- there are other windows not shown 00:19:03 ^style 00:19:04 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 00:19:09 ^style enron 00:19:09 Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) 00:19:20 fungot: looking for a good accountant, can you help 00:19:21 shachaf: market short to them to you on the same as you guys...darlens should probably be march 31 and enron employees on the list that we found the right formula that would not have a second. 00:19:39 That thing didn't turn out none too good. 00:19:40 I also have to add PETSCII. 00:19:53 `culprits quines 00:20:00 moon_ gamemanj oerjan oerjan elliott oerjan ais523 ais523 FreeFull shachaf shachaf shachaf 00:21:03 fungot: hat do you think of the idea of 'advice 00:21:03 moon_: second, we respect the minimum the commission ( " commission" 00:21:12 . o O ( mk evil/101//Smile at a stranger. ) 00:21:51 ls evil 00:22:00 moon_: stop making arbitrary top level directories in HackEgo. 00:22:03 `ls evil 00:22:06 313 00:22:23 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Istanbul (not Konstantiniyye (not Constantinopolis/Constantinople (not Byzantium (not Byzantion)))). 00:22:41 you forgot mordor 00:22:54 `rm wisdom/substructural typing <-- WHAT 00:23:15 `` hg log wisdom/substructural\ typing | grep summary? 00:23:19 No output. 00:23:21 moon_: Those are all previous names of Istanbul 00:23:21 `` hg log wisdom/substructural\ typing | grep summary: 00:23:26 summary: >wisdom/\'substructural typing\' echo Not to be confused with structural subtyping. 00:23:44 oerjan: if you think it should exist feel free to readd it hth 00:24:17 oerjan: Personally, I don't think `wisdom should have "not to be confused with"s that aren't followed by a body 00:24:21 `? structural subtyping 00:24:23 Not to be confused with substructural typing. 00:24:29 Saw that coming 00:24:52 shachaf: See, now it's lonely 00:25:03 shachaf: You killed his brother 00:26:57 shachaf: I keep trying to type Dremel into a PostgreSQL client at home. 00:27:22 fizzie: I wish I could use Dremel. :-( 00:28:29 http://sprunge.us/OUMI <- a rough approximation of the top-50 most referred wisdom entries, in case you want to know what definitely needs keeping. 00:29:15 Wait, why am I so high up? 00:29:24 People are dying to know things about you. 00:29:46 sprø som selleri 00:29:55 `? misspellings of crosant 00:29:56 misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:30:01 Keep everyone unless you run out 00:30:06 `? the 00:30:08 the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure 00:30:09 `` cd wisdom; echo *con* 00:30:10 conspirabiology context 00:30:17 `? context 00:30:20 context is a word with many meanings, depending on where it is used. 00:30:27 `? conspirabiology 00:30:28 conspirabiology is where moth colourings form a dot matrix display to send you subliminal messages. 00:31:13 shachaf: FWIW, the person with the most `? shachafs is shachaf. (With a count of 27, a sizeable margin from oerjan's 7.) 00:31:39 sprø som selleri 00:31:52 http://i.stack.imgur.com/uYqPi.png found this while surfing 00:32:09 -22 arguments :P 00:37:15 `` perl -e "print \"not arguing with that \"x22" 00:37:17 not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with that not arguing with tha 00:37:38 @quote argument 00:37:38 Axman6 says: Haskell is easy, you just apply functions to arguments, and then you apply them to other arguments. Axman6's girlfriend: I don't like conflict 00:37:44 @quote argument 00:37:44 mike-burns says: Oh good, a semantic argument. Goodnight. 00:37:46 int-e: you don't need `` for perl -e hth 00:37:50 @quote argument 00:37:50 ghc says: Illegal unlifted type argument 00:37:51 @quote argument 00:37:51 Jafet says: unsafeCoerce takes any argument. AND IT WINS THAT ARGUMENT. 00:37:51 @quote argument 00:37:51 ghc says: On Alpha, I can only handle 4 non-floating-point arguments to foreign export dynamic 00:38:25 oerjan: it didn't 00:38:27 `perl -e print 1 00:38:29 1 00:38:52 `perl print 1 00:38:54 Can't open perl script "print 1": No such file or directory 00:38:56 okay. 00:39:06 perl's just too magical. 00:39:08 `? dwim 00:39:09 dwim? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:39:16 `lua -e print(1) 00:39:17 1 00:39:22 some others too 00:40:35 . o O ( dwim/ITYM gwim, guess what I mean. ) 00:41:02 `python -c print(1) 00:41:05 ​ File "", line 1 \ print(1) \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent 00:41:18 sadly python isn't. 00:41:28 `` python -c 'print(1)' 00:41:30 1 00:41:47 `python -cprint(1) 00:41:48 1 00:41:52 oh that works 00:42:01 There is room for additional non-JIS double-wide characters in UTCE, since banks 0xA0 and 0xFF are not used. 00:42:33 `echo hm 00:42:35 ​ hm 00:42:47 Also character codes 0x80 to 0xA0 and character code 0xFF are not used within any double-wide bank so far. 00:42:55 `? zzo38 00:42:56 zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem. 00:44:01 best 404 error page ever: odu.org/ 00:44:12 *https://www-s.acm.illinois.edu/siggraph/eoh_projects/eoh2002.html 00:45:19 @tell boily Moon_: Mhelloon_. what with the snail cannon? <-- i refused to let em use the swatter, so e had to shell out for a personal weapon 00:45:19 Consider it noted. 00:45:49 That's a really old 404 joke, I really don't think acm.illinois.edu is where it originated. 00:45:59 that line feels so empty without a hth 00:46:24 why didn't you hth it 00:46:27 is hth your personal weapon 00:46:41 zzo38: what is UTCE? 00:46:50 and does it have some documentation? 00:46:54 shachaf: didn't you use it first 00:47:00 oerjan: what, hth? 00:47:15 i think i got hth from you 00:47:44 http://motherboard.vice.com/read/probably-the-most-uncanny-404-page "Cole Gleason, chair of ACM@UIUC, tells me that the 404 page dates back at least to 2003. It's not known who wrote it initially." that's a good internet archeology spelunking expedition subject for someone. 00:47:45 FireFly: This document http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/utce but it is incomplete 00:48:04 FireFly: maybe you should go work with fizzie 00:48:10 @time fizzie 00:48:11 Local time for fizzie is Wed May 4 00:48:10 2016 00:48:41 fizzie: hi shachaf and i can't agree who used hth first twh 00:48:47 -!- Warrigal has changed nick to tswett. 00:49:32 shachaf: perhaps 00:50:59 at least 2001: http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=103;t=000053 00:51:12 oerjan: Well, I mean, my logs aren't any sort of authoritative source, but at least based on a rough search, the first #esoteric occurrence would be 2008-04-22 10:37:29 ITYM "olkoslept" HTH HAND. 00:51:26 fizzie: oooh 00:51:38 shachaf: well surprise out of left field, there 00:52:03 oerjan: i might still have gotten it from you 00:52:03 fizzie: also itym "okloslept" 00:52:16 Plausible. 00:52:17 shachaf: true. 00:52:17 (pretty sure that www.scintilla.utwente.nl site is where I saw it first) 00:52:26 oerjan: some people think "olkoslept" is correct 00:52:32 we should hold an oklopoll 00:53:02 oerjan: The second occurrence in my logs is 2008-08-10 12:32:42 Mostly used in the construction "ITYM 'foo' HTH HAND". -- I think I was explaining something -- and then a gap of almost two years, followed by four comments in 2010 that use the now-familiar lowercase end-of-sentence hth. 00:53:23 darn 00:53:38 four comments in 2010 that use the now-familiar lowercase end-of-sentence? 00:53:41 I can't parse that. 00:53:58 shachaf: try putting "" in quotes 00:54:08 the now-familiar lowercase end-of-sentence what? 00:54:16 Try putting the hth in quotes too hth 00:54:32 * oerjan swats shachaf -----### 00:54:53 (The shachaf hth use starts from 2012-11-20 onwards.) 00:55:07 elliott got mad at me for using hth in #haskell and elsewhere 00:55:11 which was completely fair 00:55:26 also elliott probably got mad at me for other things 00:56:54 plausible. 00:57:56 can we get a plot of hth over time too? 00:58:04 I think I've done that. 00:58:30 hmm, -----HTH 00:58:50 (a clue swatter) 00:59:01 I will attempt to get some sort of a sketch, assuming I can recall what the PostgreSQLese is for strftime_usec. 01:00:59 FireFly: http://sprunge.us/XhiZ there's some per-month counts. 01:02:37 `` grep mad wisdom/elliott 01:02:44 Thanks 01:02:51 No output. 01:03:45 http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2016-05-04_020336.png hm 01:03:50 so it's a summer thing... buzzing mosquitos, chirping cicadas, hthing people 01:04:22 (I was looking at 2013) 01:04:46 "It was the summer of '13", like the song goes. 01:05:15 zzo38: interesting encoding 01:06:45 `olist 1035 <-- huh i was thinking the sound might do that but not that it might _help_ them. 01:07:47 oerjan: I don't think that's a sound. I would guess that it's just a lake. 01:08:55 * oerjan hits shachaf with the saucepan ===\__/ 01:09:49 `mk bin/ciolf//file=$1 data=$(cat "$file") sh -c "ciol $data" 01:09:57 bin/ciolf 01:10:05 `ciolf quine/ciol 01:10:07 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/ciolf: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/ciolf: cannot execute: Permission denied 01:10:14 `mkx bin/ciolf//file=$1 data=$(cat "$file") sh -c "ciol $data" 01:10:19 bin/ciolf 01:10:20 `ciolf quine/ciol 01:10:22 cat: quine/ciol: Not a directory \ Segmentation fault 01:10:43 ls 01:10:45 `ls 01:10:48 ​^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ advice \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share 01:11:03 `ciolf quines/ciol 01:11:06 Segmentation fault 01:11:10 .- 01:11:47 bb 01:11:48 brb 01:12:15 `mkx bin/ciolf//ciol "$(cat "$1")" 01:12:19 bin/ciolf 01:12:26 `ciolf quines/ciol 01:12:27 ​+jrR+RjRr+++++[-p++++P]p_J----[-P+++p]P-oRJ*done;J 01:12:44 moon_: hth 01:12:49 othx 01:13:59 `ls src 01:14:00 brainfuck.fu \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm 01:14:23 `mkdir src/ciol 01:14:25 No output. 01:14:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 01:14:54 `mk src/ciol/helloworld.ciol//rHello, World!; 01:14:56 src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 01:15:08 `ciolf src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 01:15:09 Hello, World! 01:16:06 `mkx bin/bff//bf "$(cat "$1")" 01:16:10 bin/bff 01:16:17 iirc there's an even shorter way than using cat but i always get confused about it. 01:16:26 `bff src/brainfuck.fu 01:16:46 hm 01:16:53 oerjan: < ? 01:16:57 No output. 01:17:08 `` echo efzdfcvfdesfzds | bff src/brainfuck.fu 01:17:15 shachaf: no, it needs to be an argument... 01:17:35 *sigh* 01:17:40 No output. 01:17:43 I don't remember the exact syntax. 01:17:47 `` echo "$(< wisdom/oerjan)" 01:17:50 moon_: that's not a brainfuck program but a brainfuck interpreter in fueue 01:17:53 Your infamous mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:18:02 shachaf: OKAY 01:18:16 `mkdir src/bf 01:18:17 No output. 01:18:23 src needs some organization 01:18:32 `mkdir src/c 01:18:33 No output. 01:18:39 Why would you organize by language? 01:18:44 moon_: it wasn't big enough for that. 01:18:52 cuz 01:19:07 my little habit 01:19:35 anyways 01:19:47 a file based command for bf and ciol is basically a good thing 01:21:03 shachaf: what do you think? 01:21:25 ? 01:21:31 about ciolf and bff 01:21:40 the file based scripts for ciol and bf 01:22:35 `ciolf src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 01:22:42 Hello, World! 01:23:27 `ls bin 01:23:29 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ bookof 01:24:32 the problem is that's not very modular :( 01:25:03 also i'm not sure it didn't already exist somewhere. HackEgo has a lot of cruft. 01:25:04 what do you mean? 01:25:23 not very modular ho 01:25:36 moon_: making a new command for every old one. 01:25:49 eh true 01:26:40 gfd`mkx bin/genf//$2 "$(cat "$1")" something that would ork like this (altho this is invalid, think about the $2) would work for that 01:26:53 shachaf: huh. is that there's also the whole interps/ stuff which also contains brainfuck interpreters, although not that easily used on a filename iirc 01:27:52 (interps/ basically is a half-assed port of half of EgoBot's features) 01:28:10 oerjan: I don't understand the 'new command' point 01:28:11 I'm sure it's at least 2.25 asses. 01:28:36 you-can-only-run-this-once is not needed 01:28:39 oh, wait, never mind 01:28:41 it deleted bin's content 01:28:46 `rm bin/you-can-only-run-this-once 01:28:50 FireFly: making both ciolf and bff to add the same feature to ciol and bf 01:28:50 No output. 01:29:16 right, a f command that wraps the functionality would be more useful 01:29:17 `culprits bin/you-can-only-run-this-once 01:29:23 moon_ tswett tswett tswett 01:29:39 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/2b92018dd204/bin/you-can-only-run-this-once 01:29:41 look 01:30:13 why dont e make one then firefly? 01:30:34 too tired right now 01:30:40 heh 01:30:40 I'd probably get it wrong anyway 01:30:45 same 01:31:07 i'm mostly wondering what to call it. 01:31:24 oer, you need to get onto tswett for that one :P 01:31:44 Yeah, get onto me. 01:31:58 `zalgo shush 01:32:06 oerjan: f works I think 01:32:15 ^ 01:32:29 No output. 01:32:44 So what are we getting on about? 01:32:50 moon_: I think e is supposed to be used as a third person pronoun 01:32:59 moon_: For second person, just use "you" 01:33:01 [20:29] `culprits bin/you-can-only-run-this-once [20:29] moon_ tswett tswett tswett [20:29] http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/2b92018dd204/bin/you-can-only-run-this-once 01:33:12 matches the C file convention 01:33:13 `you-can-only-run-this-once 01:33:14 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: you-can-only-run-this-once: not found 01:33:22 we removed it 01:33:28 e dont need you wiping the bin folder 01:33:34 moon_: Ah 01:33:42 moon_: Huh? 01:33:44 and then the question of whether it should work as `f or `` f 01:33:58 FireFly: I don't know. 01:33:59 `run cat '#!/bin/rm' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once; chmod +x you-can-only-run-this-once 01:34:03 cat: #!/bin/rm: No such file or directory \ chmod: cannot access `you-can-only-run-this-once': No such file or directory 01:34:12 Whoopsies. 01:34:17 `run echo '#!/bin/rm' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once; chmod +x you-can-only-run-this-once 01:34:20 chmod: cannot access `you-can-only-run-this-once': No such file or directory 01:34:30 `run chmod +x bin/you-can-only-run-this-once 01:34:33 No output. 01:34:34 hppavilion[1]: try it now! 01:34:39 `you-can-only-run-this-once 01:34:40 tswett isn't up to date on the latest `mkx developments 01:34:42 `ls 01:34:43 No output. 01:34:43 ​^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ advice \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share 01:34:48 `ls bin 01:34:49 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ bookof 01:34:49 hppavilion[1]: and again! 01:34:59 `you-can-only-run-this-once 01:34:59 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: you-can-only-run-this-once: not found 01:35:00 bin was deleted -.- 01:35:10 good damn job 01:35:10 `wisdom 01:35:14 monad//Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 01:35:16 moon_: you mean... bin/bin? 01:35:16 nvm 01:35:24 tswett: A better challenge is you-can-only-run-this-twice 01:35:29 `ls bin bin 01:35:30 ls: cannot access bin bin: No such file or directory 01:35:35 hppavilion[1]: that's an interesting one. 01:35:36 `ls bin/bin 01:35:37 ls: cannot access bin/bin: No such file or directory 01:35:40 `ls bin 01:35:41 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ bookof 01:35:42 "Run file if it exists, otherwise interpret as code" is a heuristic that rarely goes wrong. And doesn't need extra commands. Maybe with a disambiguation -e argument for those rare cases. 01:35:45 tswett: After that, make you-can-only-run-this-pice 01:36:13 oh god quantum uncertainity has arrived 01:36:15 pi times? Hmm. 01:36:20 tswett: Yes 01:36:31 pi times would need a quantum cpu 01:36:42 tswett: 3 times definitely, then the remaining 0.14159... times are left up to implementation 01:36:55 or that 01:36:57 tswett: The winner is determined by awesomeness of implementation behavior 01:36:57 `1492 01:37:00 Hello, world! 01:37:08 `cat bin/1492 01:37:09 `2017 01:37:12 ​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi 01:37:13 No output. 01:37:36 `ls -l bin/{1,2}* 01:37:37 ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 01:37:43 `` ls -l bin/{1,2}* 01:37:46 ​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 80 Jan 1 00:05 bin/1492 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 79 Dec 9 04:12 bin/2014 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 80 Dec 31 20:32 bin/2015 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 79 Jan 1 18:00 bin/2016 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 79 Jan 1 18:00 bin/2017 01:38:18 `main oerjan 01:38:18 `ciolf src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 01:38:23 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: main: not found 01:38:23 Hello, World! 01:38:27 Whoops 01:38:34 `maim 01:38:34 `maim tswett 01:38:38 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: maim: not found 01:38:38 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: maim: not found 01:39:04 Hackego really needs a way to do /me s 01:39:06 `mk bin/maim// echo $1 has been badly maimed! 01:39:09 bin/maim 01:39:11 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:39:13 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/maim: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/maim: cannot execute: Permission denied 01:39:16 moon_: That's not funny enough 01:39:20 `mkx bin/maim// echo $1 has been badly maimed! 01:39:22 moon_: Also, you didn't mkx 01:39:24 bin/maim 01:39:24 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:39:25 hppavilion[1] has been badly maimed! 01:39:31 *sigh* 01:39:35 I will make a good one 01:39:39 `cat bin/8-ball 01:39:40 ​#!/bin/sh \ shuf -n 1 share/8ballreplies 01:40:55 `mkx bin/maim//shuf -n 1 share/maimery | sed "s/\$target/$1" 01:40:58 bin/maim 01:41:06 `mkx bin/maim//shuf -n 1 jnk/maimery | sed "s/\$target/$1" 01:41:09 bin/maim 01:41:13 `mkx bin/uristfail//echo urist was killed in a goblin seige attempting to retreive a spare sock #temportary 01:41:16 bin/uristfail 01:41:18 hppa 01:41:21 hppavilion[1]: no jnk/ 01:41:23 jnk was deleted 01:41:26 Oh 01:41:27 by oerjan 01:41:31 `mkx bin/maim//shuf -n 1 share/maimery | sed "s/\$target/$1" 01:41:34 bin/maim 01:41:35 -!- tswett_ has joined. 01:41:35 `uristfail 01:41:37 urist was killed in a goblin seige attempting to retreive a spare sock 01:41:41 `mk share/maimery//$target has been badly maimed! 01:41:41 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:41:44 share/maimery 01:41:51 `maim oerjan 01:41:52 sed: -e expression #1, char 16: unterminated `s' command 01:41:53 `echo ACTION does something 01:41:54 ​.ACTION does something. 01:41:55 Dammit 01:42:00 `mkx bin/maim//shuf -n 1 share/maimery | sed "s/\$target/$1/" 01:42:02 bin/maim 01:42:05 `maim oerjan 01:42:05 Well, that didn't work. 01:42:07 oerjan has been badly maimed! 01:42:22 Now I will add some new maimery via PM 01:42:28 lol 01:42:32 `unidecode 01:42:54 Well? 01:42:55 make a command to add new maimery hppavilion[1] 01:43:02 U+0001 \ UTF-8: 01 UTF-16BE: 0001 Decimal:  \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) 01:43:07 * oerjan chants I BEFORE E at moon_ 01:43:08 moon_: No, we don't need one 01:43:29 `f ciol src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 01:43:30 Hello, World! 01:43:31 It's the minimum viable implementation of 'f', but it's there. 01:43:46 What's HackEgo's third-person pronoun? 01:44:17 fizzie: ${1%% *} "$(< ${1#* })" wtf does that mean?! 01:44:28 Well, that didn't work. <-- yeah ACTIONs were disabled when HackEgo added botloop protection. 01:45:04 `f bf 01:45:05 ​/hackenv/bin/f: line 1: ${1#* }: ambiguous redirect 01:45:29 `f ciol src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 01:45:31 Hello, World! 01:45:39 `f ciol 01:45:40 ​/hackenv/bin/f: line 1: ciol: No such file or directory 01:45:43 `maim HackEgo 01:45:44 HackEgo has been badly maimed! 01:45:46 `maim HackEgo 01:45:47 ​*sigh* 01:45:49 `maim HackEgo 01:45:51 Now where did I leave my jumper cables... 01:46:10 `append 01:46:11 ​/hackenv/bin/append: line 1: : No such file or directory 01:46:18 anything similar to append? 01:46:33 -!- tswett_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:46:34 I did say it was the minimum viable. Don't expect it to do anything reasonable if you don't actually give it both a command and a file. 01:46:38 moon_: Just use `` echo >> bin/maimery 01:48:11 and don't misspell it 01:48:28 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:29 hppavilion[1] has been badly maimed! 01:48:31 And ${1%% *} "$(< ${1#* })" just maps `f foo bar -> foo "$(< bar)" 01:48:32 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:33 ​*sigh* 01:48:35 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:36 I'll get the bears 01:48:38 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:39 Now where did I leave my jumper cables... 01:48:40 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:42 ​*draws their sword* 01:48:43 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:44 I'll get the bears 01:48:46 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:47 hppavilion[1] has been badly maimed! 01:48:49 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:49 ​*grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* 01:48:50 moon_: Spaaaaaaaaaaam 01:48:53 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:48:54 ​*sigh* 01:49:00 `cat bin/maimery 01:49:01 just lost an arm! \ just lost an leg! \ just got fried by jumpercables! \ just melted off their fingers! \ just froze off their fingers! 01:49:05 `maim test 01:49:05 :) 01:49:06 ​*grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* 01:49:08 `maim test 01:49:09 I'll get the bears 01:49:10 `maim test 01:49:12 I'll get the bears 01:49:13 `maim test 01:49:14 test has been badly maimed! 01:49:23 moon_: You put it in bin 01:49:26 hppavilion[1]: might want to chop off final spaces 01:49:27 moon_: It should be in share 01:49:33 moon_: I do see why it happened though 01:49:37 you said bin 01:49:37 moon_: My mistake 01:49:47 some other commands had trouble with that and tab expanding nicks 01:49:49 I will fix it 01:50:02 `` echo `cat bin/maimery` >> share/maimery 01:50:05 No output. 01:50:11 `cat share/maimery 01:50:12 ​$target has been badly maimed! \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ *sigh* \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ just lost an arm! \ just lost an arm! just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! just melted off their fingers! just froze off their fingers! \ just lost an leg! 01:50:52 `` sed -i 's/!/!\n/' share/maimery 01:50:56 No output. 01:51:00 `cat share/maimery 01:51:01 ​$target has been badly maimed! \ \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ *sigh* \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ just lost an arm! \ \ just lost an arm! \ just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! just melted off their fingers! just froze off their fingers! \ just lost an 01:51:14 `maim HackEgo 01:51:14 just got fried by jumpercables! 01:51:16 `maim HackEgo 01:51:17 No output. 01:51:27 i put $target before that 01:51:32 `` sed -i 's/\n /\n$target' share/maimery 01:51:33 sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unterminated `s' command 01:51:38 `` sed -i 's/\n /\n$target/' share/maimery 01:51:40 No output. 01:51:43 `cat share/maimery 01:51:44 ​$target has been badly maimed! \ \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ *sigh* \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ just lost an arm! \ \ just lost an arm! \ just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! just melted off their fingers! just froze off their fingers! \ just lost an 01:51:58 `` sed -i '7,$s/^ */$target /' share/maimery 01:52:01 No output. 01:52:02 send halp 01:52:07 oerjan: Oh, right, thank you 01:52:10 argh 01:52:19 hppavilion[1]: except what you did first broke it 01:52:25 oerjan: Oh 01:52:29 or wait 01:52:34 `maim oerjan 01:52:36 oerjan has been badly maimed! 01:52:40 maybe it was already done 01:52:55 hppavilion[1]: as i said, make it strip final space 01:52:57 `` sed -i 's/ */ /' share/maimery 01:53:00 No output. 01:53:07 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:53:09 ​ hppavilion[1] just melted off their fingers! 01:53:12 oerjan: I will when it works 01:53:32 `` sed -i 's/^ //' share/maimery 01:53:35 No output. 01:53:40 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:53:41 hppavilion[1] just melted off their fingers! 01:53:43 `maim hppavilion[1] 01:53:44 hppavilion[1] just melted off their fingers! 01:53:46 Um 01:53:50 um 01:53:52 `cat share/maimery 01:53:53 ​$target has been badly maimed! \ \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ *sigh* \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ $target *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! just melted off their fingers! just 01:54:09 `` sed -i 's/\n*/\n/m' share/maimery 01:54:13 No output. 01:54:15 `cat share/maimery 01:54:16 ​ \ $target has been badly maimed! \ \ \ \ *draws their sword* \ \ I'll get the bears \ \ *sigh* \ \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ \ $target *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ \ $target just lost an arm! \ \ $target \ \ $target just lost an arm! \ \ $target just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! jus 01:54:19 UM 01:54:40 * hppavilion[1] steps away from the keyboard 01:54:43 hppavilion[1]: oh i see the problem. echo `cat bin/maimery` rejoins the lines in bin/maimery with spaces before echoing them. you wanted just cat. 01:54:54 oerjan: Ah 01:54:59 oerjan: Also, bin/maimery 01:55:05 https://catmacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/cat-halp-1-1.jpg 01:55:11 *share/maimery 01:55:16 Wait, yes 01:55:20 bin/maimery 02:00:02 also this became a _lot_ harder to fix because you kept (including moon_) kept using HackEgo after the error happened. 02:00:44 *sigh* 02:00:55 let me see. i think a temporary file is in order. 02:01:00 `cat share/maimery 02:01:01 ​ \ $target has been badly maimed! \ \ \ \ *draws their sword* \ \ I'll get the bears \ \ *sigh* \ \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ \ $target *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ \ $target just lost an arm! \ \ $target \ \ $target just lost an arm! \ \ $target just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! jus 02:02:02 `` grep . share/maimery >/tmp/1; mv /tmp/1 share/maimery 02:02:06 No output. 02:02:08 `cat share/maimery 02:02:09 ​$target has been badly maimed! \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ *sigh* \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ $target *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an leg! just got fried by jumpercables! just melted off their fingers! just fro 02:02:38 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:03:40 `` sed -i '6s/[^ ]* //;8d;10s/! just/!\n just/g' share/maimery 02:03:42 No output. 02:03:45 `cat share/maimery 02:03:47 ​$target has been badly maimed! \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ *sigh* \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an leg! \ just got fried by jumpercables! \ just melted off their fingers! \ just froze off the 02:04:10 `tail share/maimery 02:04:11 ​ just melted off their fingers! \ just froze off their fingers! \ $target just lost an leg! \ $target \ $target just got fried by jumpercables! \ $target \ $target just froze off their fingers! \ $target \ $target just melted off their fingers! \ $target 02:04:57 `` grep ' [^ ]' share/maimery >/tmp/1; mv /tmp/1 share/maimery 02:05:02 No output. 02:05:08 `tail share/maimery 02:05:09 ​$target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an leg! \ just got fried by jumpercables! \ just melted off their fingers! \ just froze off their fingers! \ $target just lost an leg! \ $target just got fried by jumpercables! \ $target just froze off their fingers! \ $target just melted off their fingers! 02:05:23 -!- Moon_ has joined. 02:05:25 Switched devices 02:06:24 `` sed -i '7,$s/^ *[^$]/$target /' share/maimery 02:06:28 No output. 02:06:37 `url share/maimery 02:06:39 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/share/maimery 02:06:48 Lol this is still going? 02:06:59 eep 02:07:06 `revert 02:07:10 `maim oerjan 02:07:18 `tail share/maimery 02:07:19 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 02:07:21 I'll get the bears 02:07:21 ​$target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an leg! \ just got fried by jumpercables! \ just melted off their fingers! \ just froze off their fingers! \ $target just lost an leg! \ $target just got fried by jumpercables! \ $target just froze off their fingers! \ $target just melted off their fingers! 02:08:04 `` sed -i '7,$s/^ *\([^$ ]\)/$target \1/' share/maimery 02:08:08 No output. 02:08:34 `cat usercmds 02:08:35 cat: usercmds: No such file or directory 02:08:48 `cat shared/usercmds 02:08:49 cat: shared/usercmds: No such file or directory 02:09:05 `cat share/usercmds 02:09:06 f: give the data from a file as the argument to a command like bf \ bf: simple brainfuck intepreter, bf brainfuck code 02:09:25 `` sed -i '7,11d' share/maimery 02:09:27 Needs more cmds 02:09:28 No output. 02:10:25 `` sed -i '7s/an/a/' share/maimery 02:10:30 No output. 02:11:15 obviously, i should have just used vim and `fetch. 02:12:15 -!- Cale has joined. 02:12:21 -!- boily has joined. 02:12:47 khoily 02:13:06 `welcome Cale 02:13:08 I was told to bring my printf library here :D 02:13:10 Cale: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 02:13:26 Cale! 02:13:33 took you long enough to get here! 02:13:39 haha 02:13:54 everyone from #haskell seems to make it here eventually 02:14:05 hellowtchrjan. 02:14:08 Well, I have too many channels open 02:14:18 @massages-loud. 02:14:18 oerjan said 2h 28m 45s ago: I'll have you know I punned before shachaf was even born (or so I assume, my memory is a bit vague) 02:14:18 oerjan said 1h 28m 58s ago: Moon_: Mhelloon_. what with the snail cannon? <-- i refused to let em use the swatter, so e had to shell out for a personal weapon 02:14:19 https://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-printf-0.1.0.0 02:14:47 * boily lightly mapoles oerjan with one hand. 02:14:47 (that's the version with the docs already in place but it has screwy upper bounds, so the new version fixes that) 02:15:33 anyway, I use the cokleisli category for the comonad of functions out of a monoid m to get an oddly-practical library for typed printf format specifications 02:15:49 and it's basically a typed stack programming language 02:15:57 *Main> :t printfLn (dup . s . " plus " . swap . dup . s . " equals " . apply2 (+) . s) 02:15:57 printfLn (dup . s . " plus " . swap . dup . s . " equals " . apply2 (+) . s) 02:15:57 :: (Num t, Show t) => t -> t -> IO () 02:15:57 *Main> printfLn (dup . s . " plus " . swap . dup . s . " equals " . apply2 (+) . s) 4 6 02:15:57 4 plus 6 equals 10 02:16:19 `cool rhello calle, our new friend; 02:16:20 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cool: not found 02:16:33 https://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-printf-0.1.0.1/src/src/Control/Category/Printf.hs -- everything is pretty much a one-liner 02:16:39 Cale: Didn't people make stack languages that you can use with just application, rather than (.)? 02:16:44 -!- Kaynato has joined. 02:16:49 yeah, I've done that before as well... 02:16:51 `ciol rhello cale, our new friend, autocorrect is stupid; 02:16:54 hello cale, our new friend, autocorrect is stupid 02:17:01 Maybe you can make it work here for printfing. 02:17:12 Yea 02:17:13 Cale: oh boy, way to nerdsnipe me 02:17:16 But maybe the OverloadedStrings instance would have to be too general. 02:17:21 coppro: Do you band with other Seans of the Hunt? 02:17:26 You can make programs for hackego 02:17:31 In c 02:17:34 shachaf: hm that reminds me i still got my unfinished fmap experiment open in vim. 02:17:39 * coppro goes to understand the ((->) m) comonad 02:17:39 Hackego is a Unix system 02:17:40 shachaf: probably 02:18:03 Ciol was made in windows and compiled for Unix 02:18:04 coppro: It's the same sort of thing as the (m,) Monad. 02:18:13 coppro: Well, if you think about a function out of a monoid, you can apply that function to the identity, which gives you a natural mapping (m -> a) -> a 02:18:15 Moon_: did you install linux during my absence? 02:18:21 `evil 02:18:23 KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY. 02:18:26 No 02:18:33 Lazy and shiternet 02:18:52 I think evil is broken 02:18:58 `evil 02:18:58 coppro: and you also have a somewhat obvious way to turn a function (m -> a) into a function (m -> m -> a) which just multiplies its two arguments before applying the given function 02:19:00 KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY. 02:19:01 * boily stares sternly at Moon_ 02:19:19 Cale: ah right, ok 02:19:28 coppro: so that's your extract and duplicate 02:19:31 right 02:19:40 Evil is broken 02:20:00 extend is (m -> a -> b) -> (m -> a) -> (m -> b)... 02:20:07 `f ciol src/ciol/helloworld.ciol 02:20:14 Hello, World! 02:20:16 oh, that's easy, ok 02:20:16 In c <-- Cale is a haskell expert. sadly HackEgo lost its haskell abilities in a server move. 02:20:20 coppro: Don't worry about extend, you can write it with duplicate and extract. 02:20:25 `cat f 02:20:27 cat: f: No such file or directory 02:20:31 shachaf: it helps me understand the semantics though 02:20:51 Could we reimplent haskell? 02:20:55 For this library, you probably want to think about Cokleisli for that comonad directly 02:21:00 coppro: Also (e ->) is a monad and (e,) is a comonad exactly when e is a comonoid. 02:21:01 Moon_: in fact iirc he once maintained lambdabot 02:21:20 Its identity is just the extract we already talked about 02:21:50 Moon_: haskell is tricky to implement. although i recall Taneb was part of a student project doing it. 02:21:53 shachaf: right. And all haskell types are comonoids, correct? 02:22:21 Well, sure, if you want to be pedantic about it. 02:22:24 hehehe 02:22:36 haha 02:22:43 That's a shame oerjan 02:22:44 (_GHC_ haskell can only be implemented by GHC, though. more extensions than you can shake a stick at.) 02:22:49 huehuehuehuehue 02:23:20 So anyway, for the purposes of this library, we think about Cokleisli ((->) m) a b 02:23:23 oerjan: i've shaken a stick at ghc's extensions before hth 02:24:09 as something which may write something in the monoid m, while "changing the type of printf from a to b", roughly 02:24:18 I think evil is broken <-- no, the creator just got so overwhelmed by what he'd done that he deleted all the entries except one. 02:24:27 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:24:36 Moar entrys 02:24:42 For example, something which adds a responsibility to provide another argument of type t would have type Cokleisli ((->) m) a (t -> a) 02:24:45 Who made it 02:24:46 Cale: how do you get "write something"? 02:25:03 isn't it receiving an m, not producing one? 02:25:13 Well, given some x :: m, you have Cokleisli ($ x) 02:25:33 ($ x) :: (m -> a) -> a 02:25:44 > run (now "hi " . later show . now "!") 1 02:25:44 ah 02:25:45 "hi 1!" 02:25:53 and so Cokleisli ($ x) :: Cokleisli ((->) m) a a 02:26:06 `culprits bin/evil 02:26:11 tswett tswett tswett 02:26:15 Cale: ok, think I follow 02:26:17 Tsweet 02:26:20 Really 02:26:22 `cat bin/evil 02:26:23 cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' 02:26:28 It's not evil enough 02:26:34 `ls evil 02:26:35 313 02:26:35 So we have that as a formatter called c in the library 02:26:35 Cri 02:26:39 Huh 02:26:45 https://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-printf-0.1.0.1/src/src/Control/Category/Printf.hs -- have a look at the source code 02:26:53 TSWEET deleted everything else 02:26:55 c is used to write the IsString instance 02:27:06 instance (a ~ b, IsString s, Monoid s) => IsString (Cokleisli ((->) s) a b) where 02:27:06 fromString = c . fromString 02:27:12 tswett is a bad- wait, no, that doesn't work 02:27:35 The equality constraint is just to help type inference not get confused 02:27:48 ok 02:27:54 ahh I see 02:27:55 It'll commit to the instance, and later decide that a and b really need to be the same type 02:28:11 what is "~" in this context? 02:28:19 oerjan: i've shaken a stick at ghc's extensions before hth <-- well that was before. now there are simply too many kinds hth 02:28:22 a ~ b means that a and b must be the same type 02:28:25 `before 02:28:27 share/maimery//$target has been badly maimed! \ *draws their sword* \ I'll get the bears \ Now where did I leave my jumper cables... \ *grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* \ $target just lost an arm! \ $target just lost an leg! \ $target just got fried by jumpercables! \ $target just froze off their fingers! \ $target just melted off their f 02:28:44 Cale: yep, I see what's happening now 02:28:48 it's really clever! 02:29:18 Yeah, thank Ryan Trinkle for showing me that trick... and he told me whose blog he got it from, but I forget right at the moment 02:29:19 ` 02:29:20 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found 02:29:31 yay, i set a\upna]]]\|\\ 02:29:43 So the next thing after that is i 02:29:45 ya y i set up a better keyboard for my android 02:29:47 i :: Format m a (m -> a) 02:29:47 i = Cokleisli id 02:30:04 Oh, btw, type Format m = Cokleisli ((->) m) 02:30:16 basically just because I got tired of typing all the punctuation 02:30:23 `maim cale 02:30:24 I'll get the bears 02:30:53 Cale: why can't you simply write (Cokleisly ((->) s) a a) if "a" and "b" are the same? 02:30:55 `? Moon_ 02:30:55 Moon_ ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:31:21 s/sly/sli/ 02:31:37 boily: basically because sometimes GHC won't *know* that the two types are the same when it's trying to figure out which instance of IsString to apply, and it won't commit to the instance in that case 02:31:51 `? Moon 02:31:52 Moon is a person, not an unretroreflectorey object. 02:32:03 Cale: hrm 02:32:12 boily: When it's selecting which instance to apply, GHC won't look at the constraint before the => 02:32:26 yay, i set a\upna]]]\|\\ <-- [citation needed] 02:32:38 and it only considers that part *after* deciding to commit to using that instance 02:33:17 aaaaaah! sudden illumination. 02:33:20 `thanks Cale 02:33:22 Thanks, Cale. Thale. 02:34:42 Cale: ok, let me try to write s now 02:35:02 we have formatString . show :: t -> s 02:35:15 (or t -> m) 02:35:16 fromString, you mean? 02:35:19 err yes 02:35:25 fromString . show :: t -> m 02:36:12 now, i :: Format m a (m -> a) 02:37:27 so... s = (. (fromString . show)) <$> i 02:38:35 yeah, that works 02:40:12 -!- Moon__ has joined. 02:40:25 Back 02:40:42 Moon__: you never left hth 02:40:52 * oerjan now does 02:40:57 lol my client did 02:41:04 I have spliceWith :: (Monoid m) => (t -> m) -> Format m a (t -> a) 02:41:15 and I defined spliceWith f = Cokleisli (. f) 02:41:22 but that's the same as fmap (. f) i 02:41:26 `haskall 02:41:27 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: haskall: not found 02:41:47 and I defined s = spliceWith (fromString . show) 02:42:36 I should add things like padding and more numeric formatting stuff like C printf has. 02:42:56 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:43:32 The other cool thing which is coming soon 02:43:55 Is that reflex is going to get an update in the next few weeks which will add an Applicative instance for Dynamic 02:44:11 and that means that we'll be able to lift monoid instances through Dynamic 02:44:40 and have printfWith dynText using reflex-dom -- a printf with dynamically varying arguments 02:46:12 (and of course, we'll need instance (Reflex t, IsString m) => IsString (Dynamic t m) where fromString = constDyn . fromString 02:46:16 ) 02:48:01 There are various other things which you could do with this and reflex-dom -- e.g. it could be used to string together widgets 02:48:12 Cale: the thing that would stop me from using it, of course, is having to manipulate the stack directly 02:48:28 Well, you don't usually really have to manipulate the stack in sensible uses of it 02:48:51 true 02:49:07 if you want to use an argument multiple times, I wonder if there's a way to get it to work using type-level nats 02:49:21 Probably. 02:49:37 Actually, yes. 02:49:44 yeah I think there is 02:49:46 You can do it with a type class 02:49:54 ah, right! 02:50:57 Also, look at the implementation of the stack manipulation things 02:51:17 It's possible that using arr directly would be preferable to using dup/swap/etc. in most cases 02:52:23 *Main Data.String Control.Arrow> printfLn (arr (\k x y -> k x y (x+y)) . s . " plus " . s . " equals " . s) 4 6 02:52:23 4 plus 6 equals 10 02:52:59 ahhh ok 02:55:36 . o O ( will all this inline away... ) 02:55:42 Which of course means that we can use the proc/do Arrow-notation to write formatters, which I haven't really begun to explore 02:55:56 I bet it does, haha 02:56:07 It's all newtypes and tiny definitions 02:56:28 tiny and non-recursive definitions 02:57:28 oh yeah, arrows are a thing 02:57:56 unfortunately, it doesn't interact with laziness very nicely 02:58:15 Like, if you try f = dup . s . f or something 02:58:25 you can't get it to print an infinite string 02:58:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:59:45 -!- boily has quit (Quit: STAIRCASE CHICKEN). 03:01:32 oops, just realised the type of skip is overly restrictive too 03:07:57 But yeah, it's cool, I feel with this, we have a pretty good understanding of what printf format specifiers really "are", in some sense. 03:12:19 yeah 03:12:32 things like this make me wish I was back in academia 03:12:48 I'm actually impressed this didn't require type-level math logic either 03:27:00 I'm just working as a Haskell programmer, and basically a portion of my free time is spent on academic sorts of things :) 03:29:05 `ls ./---##, 03:29:07 ls: cannot access ./---##,: No such file or directory 03:34:32 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:45:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:45:36 -!- centrinia has joined. 04:09:35 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:15:07 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 04:15:40 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 04:16:02 oerjan: Maybe Cale can figure out the fmap thing. 04:16:32 Cale: do you work in Brantford? 04:16:52 I spend too much of my free time on gaming stuff & politics for that... 04:19:19 Cale: hah! I googled "cale haskell" and it turns out there's a guy by that name who works at Bungie!? 04:19:51 then I remembered /whois exists 04:19:59 shachaf: what fmap thing? 04:20:33 There were a few different things. 04:21:07 One of them was writing an expression using using only (.) that makes an arbitrary grouping function like (\a b c d e f -> a (b (c d)) (e f)) 04:21:54 do you mean that you're given a grouping function and your goal is to write it using (.)? 04:26:58 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 04:29:50 I have found something I and my brother have written a long time ago about a new kind of Pokemon game, that can be played on PC (it is unclear whether DOS or purely PC) or on Nintendo DS. There was all various sort of strange stuff 04:31:52 One thing was a cheat code to make all of your pokemons to be level 100. On the PC version the cheat code is to push all keys simultaneously, and on the DS version the cheat code is when it ask you for your name, type A and then switch to Japanese and try to add a dakuten mark to the A twenty times (nothing will happen the first nineteen times). 04:39:32 zzo38: Well, the first nineteen times maybe it increments a counter. 04:39:53 If truly nothing happened the first nineteen times then nothing would happen the twentieth time either. 04:40:38 Well, yes, it would increment a counter, but nothing else (no display of such counter or any other effect, and presumably you lose the chance if you do anything else) 04:44:29 -!- Moon__ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 04:45:37 shachaf: what else was there? 04:47:33 If you name your character "VOID" you lose the game instantly. 04:49:27 Also one of the items in the game is a "fuse"; if you use it then it confuses your own active pokemon. 04:49:39 Also it is possible to sell badges. 04:51:01 I think some of the other questions were solved. 04:52:29 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:52:36 shachaf: isn't the one about grouping functions just a special case of @pl? 04:53:05 Well, the original question was whether you could do it without parentheses. 04:53:25 wait what? 04:53:38 how would you do that? 04:58:43 coppro: not with just (.) 04:59:15 oh, like lambdas and stuff? 04:59:58 Before the final set of battles you must enter the "Special Finals", which have several special sets of rules, including such things as 2 vs 1, doing the battle inside of a moving elevator, and other special rules. Also rename/delete is allowed anywhere, and pokemon moves used outside of battle still require PP and cannot be used if you have run out of HP. 05:00:03 coppro: that you can do grouping with combinations of (.) is easy. the next question was whether you can apply that recursively to flatten the grouping function as well. and with just (.) the answer is "obviously" no because (.),(.)(.),(.)(.)(.),... repeats after a while. 05:00:39 coppro: so the question now is, can you do it with only a few functions, each of which are combinations of (.)s 05:01:05 ah 05:01:20 (if you have infinitely many, you can do it: (.).(.).(.). ... . (.) are enough 05:01:22 ) 05:01:56 i.e. you can write any grouping function as f_1 ... f_n where each f_i is of that form. 05:04:01 (n might be 0, which is the only way to get id afaict) 05:04:24 (unless you have id in the basis) 05:05:31 and also, only considering bases of functions that are themselves combinations of (.). if you can use arbitrary combinators not just "grouping", then there's a well-known method using CPS transformation. 05:06:58 so the question is: Is there a finite basis that can construct all groupings this way 05:07:36 i started looking at {(.), (.)(.)} as a possible basis but i lost concentration quickly. 05:08:46 coppro: psst, Cale's surname is in his /whois hth 05:08:49 oh 05:09:00 coppro: never mind me reading scrollback one line at a time 05:18:28 coppro: I live in Brantford and work out of my house. My employer is in New York. 05:19:35 Cale: ahh 05:22:02 coppro: I work for Obsidian Systems on web applications for various clients written entirely in Haskell. 05:22:49 coppro: Especially interesting is that we're using reflex-dom and ghcjs to build the frontends. 05:29:40 -!- pelegreno has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:32:00 -!- pelegreno has joined. 05:38:21 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:40:10 -!- pelegreno has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:41:21 -!- pelegreno has joined. 05:47:37 Cale: cool 05:48:37 -!- pelegreno has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:49:51 -!- pelegreno has joined. 06:07:46 gah! 06:07:52 why is getting the crystal cruiser so hard :( 06:32:02 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:35:27 -!- singingboyo has joined. 06:52:15 Adam Yedidia, a PhD student at MIT (but an MEng student when he did most of this work), has explicitly constructed a one-tape, two-symbol Turing machine with 7,918 states, whose behavior (when run on a blank tape) can never be proven from the usual axioms of set theory, under reasonable consistency hypotheses. 06:52:20 http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725 06:56:06 gah scott is really speeding up his posting 06:56:23 * oerjan opened his 5th shtetl-optimized tab 06:59:38 oerjan is clearly not shtetl-optimized-optimized 07:00:15 indeed 07:01:40 well, i'm following comment threads and those have been active last week. 07:01:57 Aether Hack {U} Instant ;; Change text of target spell or permanent by replacing all instances of one named (i.e. not power/toughness) counter type word with another. (Does not affect what a keyword ability does.) Do you like this? 07:06:33 How would you use it? 07:06:44 Hmm, I guess there are various uses. 07:07:22 It seems like maybe it should only work until end of turn, if it's affecting a permanent? 07:08:31 No it lasts permanently like Artificial Evolution and Magical Hack and Sleight of Mind. 07:09:18 Also like those other cards, it can be used with your own and with opponent's cards, possibly including circumstances you have not anticipated. 07:09:24 Oh, I guess that happens. 07:09:32 It should say "(This effect lasts indefinitely.)". 07:11:03 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:11:27 Yes it could have that reminder text if you want to. 07:13:17 You can try to see what possible uses there are, with official cards and/or with other custom cards. One use would be to reset something such as Delaying Shield. Another thing you can do is to replace "experience counter" with "poison counter" or vice-versa. There are a lot more. 07:17:14 You could use it on Dark Depths. 07:18:18 Yes, that too, it can make it to trigger immediately. 07:25:55 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 07:27:52 -!- pelegreno has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:29:07 -!- pelegreno has joined. 07:37:55 -!- singingboyo has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:55:20 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:01:32 `? sdl 08:01:41 `? tgm 08:01:44 `? plc 08:01:52 `? mit 08:02:21 plc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:02:21 mit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:02:21 tgm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:02:21 sdl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:02:35 `? rtc 08:02:38 rtc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 09:26:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:36:38 it's may the 4th 09:40:44 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:42:50 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:00:23 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 10:00:23 -!- nisstyre has joined. 10:31:33 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:02:03 Cale : oh. yes i remember figuring out that concatenative language trick, years ago :) 11:02:08 the nice thing with this CPS trick for concatenative is that the stack is naturally heterogenous, and that composition reads from left-to-right (or perhaps that's not nice, depending on how you look at it) .. 11:04:02 the not so nice thing is that it's CPS, perhaps with a very thin wrapping 11:06:17 -!- boily has joined. 11:08:34 well, for clarification, i should say that i didn't have the part involving the monoid `m'. only the CPS part 11:16:31 @massages-loud 11:16:31 You don't have any messages 11:17:04 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:31:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:46:23 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:02:45 Subject: So many people out of work...get that Degree and rise to the top 12:03:12 They've added strikeout in the middle of "key" words -- I wonder if that actually does work for avoiding spam filters. 12:03:43 "career>, "program", etc. 12:05:18 Get your Authentic Dr. Fizzie Degree Certificate Now! 12:06:29 This is the one that advertised "No Examination! No Study! No Class!" 12:06:40 And Fast Worldwide Shipping. 12:07:08 It's also "100% Confidenial" [sic], which I can't help thinking is some sort of a pun. 12:08:20 it works to a degree. 12:17:41 -!- ybden has joined. 12:20:38 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SWITCH CHICKEN). 12:34:19 fizzie: Clearly you only can get a pogram from them 12:34:57 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:42:57 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 12:57:14 -!- Alcest has joined. 13:10:33 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:44:49 FreeFull: A pogram for my carer. 13:59:12 -!- augur has joined. 14:23:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:31:47 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:39:54 -!- spiette has joined. 14:55:13 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:07:18 -!- ybden has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:16:45 -!- ybden has joined. 15:17:59 -!- nycs has joined. 15:21:20 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:25:58 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 15:28:31 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:29:40 -!- `^_^v has quit (Client Quit). 15:32:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:32:19 someone find oerjan imho 15:35:19 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:43:13 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 15:45:41 -!- `^_^v has joined. 16:14:45 -!- jaboja has joined. 16:28:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:30:15 "imho"? 16:31:22 (I thought I knew what that means but it doesn't fit in Phantom_Hoover's line) 16:31:30 `? imho 16:31:55 imho? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:32:09 in my horrible opinion 16:42:20 -!- Reece` has joined. 17:11:50 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:13:04 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:14:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:15:33 -!- nisstyre has joined. 17:15:57 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:42:58 -!- Akaibu has joined. 17:53:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:56:06 Typically honest/humble 17:57:18 I'm designing something that I'm not smart enough to implement... 17:57:45 (Not something impossible, mind you, just something I don't have the required knowledge for (yet!)) 17:59:15 What kind of thing is it? 18:01:57 zzo38: Filesystem 18:02:08 zzo38: It's a sort of improved hybrid between Mobile and Desktop models 18:03:01 zzo38: It creates safer & cleaner & more powerful applications without limiting the user by dividing executables into two types- sandboxed and free-floating (names are just off the top of my head) 18:04:32 zzo38: The sandboxed ones declare all the stuff they need at install time and set up their working environment by telling the OS why sort of things they want- for example, you can have an application where long-term storage is 100% freeform (no file system, just a nice, protected section of non-volatile disk space to use however) 18:07:41 It could still be accessible as a file though so that commands such as dd and mv and rm can be used; if you use rm or rmdir then you can uninstall it. It doesn't seem the filesystem but rather can be made part of design of OS. Internally the storage might look differently but it is helpful to expose as a UNIX filesystem at least. 18:08:23 It mean the user could customize the sandboxing of the program. 18:12:17 zzo38: Yes, using the free-form filesystem layout is discouraged 18:13:09 zzo38: And you can remove a sandboxed application at will, there's a distinction between the application itself (the executable(s) when abstraction is stripped away) and the application's memory space 18:13:26 I think we need a "Politician's Guide to the Interwebz" 18:14:03 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:36:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:46:49 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:51:12 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:54:22 -!- Kaynato has joined. 18:57:46 I did write the program to reduce colours of a picture to a specified palette (you can independently specify the way to select the best colour per pixel and the dithering algorithm), but not the program to figure out optimized palette, yet. 19:07:56 I don't know if I should need to implement hold-and-modify. 19:15:20 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:17:04 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 19:18:05 -!- gremlins has joined. 19:19:30 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:21:29 Today's xkcd made me happy 19:25:04 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 19:25:04 -!- nisstyre has joined. 19:26:18 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:28:13 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:41:53 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: zzo38). 19:50:44 hppavilion[1]: I wouldn't mind the snakes 19:50:57 FreeFull: Yes 19:51:06 I also wanna link something to zzo but he left 19:51:07 FreeFull: I think that we should make the Consortium actually do it 19:51:34 I guess I can use memoserv 19:54:33 \oren\: Private Use Block is your friend, BTW 19:59:03 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:59:24 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:01:50 20:01:40 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- zzo38 does not wish to receive memos. 20:06:43 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:31:25 [wiki] [[Var'aq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46920&oldid=36135 * 2.97.117.195 * (+230) /* External resources */ 20:40:42 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:13:02 -!- Kaynato has joined. 21:16:07 [wiki] [[Laconic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46921 * B jonas * (+1058) Created page with "'''Laconic''' is a programming language that compiles to a one-tape two-symbol [[Turing machine]]. The goal for its creation was to create two-symbol Turing machines with ver..." 21:17:41 Does Laconic count as an esolang? 21:18:01 b_jonas: Yes 21:18:05 (pun intended) 21:18:06 I think it does, because its sole purpose is to write short programs in another esolang. 21:18:20 I don't think Turing machines count. 21:18:25 But I think Laconic does. 21:19:17 I guess if Mouse counts because its original purpose was to have a very small interpreter, then Laconic is the same idea. 21:23:38 F24DBA5FB0A30E26E83B2AC5B9E29E1B161E5C1FA7425E73043362938B9800chaf 21:23:46 (I spent far too much time on that) 21:23:55 help 21:24:00 what is that 21:24:17 you can't just -chaf any old thing 21:24:20 shachaf: The output of a sha256 hash, converted to hex 21:25:08 hash of what 21:25:24 Oh, wait, I dropped the edges 21:25:31 (I thought they were control characters 21:25:31 ) 21:29:16 OK, I give up 21:29:30 -!- centrinia has joined. 21:29:42 Oh, found it 21:30:02 F24DBA5FB0A30E26E83B2AC5B9E29E1B161E5C1FA7425E73043362938B9824chaf 21:30:05 THERE we go 21:30:28 don't chaf me bro 21:31:31 If normal quantum physics is based on the complexes... 21:31:31 hppavilion[1], wait, any sequence of characters ending with 'chaf' is a SHA256 hash of something 21:31:53 in base 18 21:32:01 or 17 21:32:01 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but the body of the hash is uppercase and in hex 21:32:06 wait.. no 21:32:07 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:32:09 Phantom_Hoover: Wait, what about the "h"? 21:32:22 Can we substitute the complexes for something weirder to get weird quantum physics? :P 21:33:00 oh i thought you'd found something that hashed to *chaf 21:33:15 starchaf 21:33:49 Phantom_Hoover: Oh, no, that would be stupid 21:34:43 Phantom_Hoover: How would I possibly do that? 21:35:06 brute force 21:35:13 it's how people find bitcoin vanity addresses 21:35:52 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:36:09 but h isn't an exadecimal character 21:37:58 wow. these two blog posts link each other as sources. 21:38:12 maybe one of the posters have a time machine. 21:38:24 -!- lynn has changed nick to fcrawl. 21:38:30 -!- fcrawl has changed nick to lynn. 21:38:36 lynn: hi fcrawl 21:38:43 shachaf, this is all modulo me misunderstanding the image of SHA256 ofc. 21:39:06 the image of dorian gray 21:47:15 -!- nycs has joined. 21:47:29 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:05:09 shachaf: What is exadecimal, anyway? 22:05:25 Like a hexadecimal, but without the h. 22:05:32 j-bot: 96 128*0.3^2 22:05:32 b_jonas: 8.64 11.52 22:05:47 shachaf: Sure it's not base-1000000000000000000? 22:06:32 Maybe. 22:06:42 Or maybe it's base-10000000000000000000. 22:07:42 000000000000000000 22:07:42 0000000000000000000 22:07:47 Huh. 22:07:50 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)). 22:09:42 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:11:20 -!- `^_^v has joined. 22:12:31 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:17:47 shachaf: is dorian gray's image an 8-bit greyscale bmp? 22:20:36 -!- moon_ has joined. 22:20:40 hia 22:21:37 `f 22:21:45 ​/hackenv/bin/f: line 1: ${1#* }: ambiguous redirect \ /hackenv/bin/f: line 1: : command not found 22:21:54 `haskell 22:21:55 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: haskell: not found 22:21:57 `@ 22:22:01 No output. 22:22:04 `@ walrus 22:22:06 No output. 22:22:09 `f ciol rshame haskell doesnt exist; 22:22:09 `cat bin/@ 22:22:21 ​/hackenv/bin/f: line 1: ${1#* }: ambiguous redirect 22:22:21 ​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = join " ", @ARGV; if (s/^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*) +//) { print "$1: "; exec $2, $_; } 22:22:57 `cat bin/. 22:22:59 cat: bin/.: Is a directory 22:23:05 `ciol rshame haskell doesnt exist; 22:23:06 shame haskell doesnt exist 22:23:13 `` cat bin/? 22:23:16 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnoooooodl \ echo hi \ exec \ #!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/noooooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | se 22:23:21 wait, whoops 22:23:26 `` echo bin/? 22:23:27 bin/` bin/̊ bin/ bin/! bin/? bin/¿ bin/' bin/@ bin/* bin/؟ bin/ bin/ bin/e bin/f bin/h bin/q 22:23:39 `؟ 22:23:40 ​/hackenv/bin/؟: line 1: ^: command not found 22:24:16 ؟I am walrus man lord of walrusing 22:24:18 Huh 22:24:28 `¿ halp 22:24:29 ​/hackenv/bin/¿: line 1: ^: command not found 22:24:43 https://catmacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/cat-halp-1-1.jpg 22:24:44 `cat bin/¿ 22:24:44 ​? "$@" | rev | tac 22:27:04 `cat bin/bin 22:27:06 cat: bin/bin: No such file or directory 22:27:09 `mkdir bin/bin 22:27:11 No output. 22:27:26 `` echo "echo *sigh*" > bin/bin/bin 22:27:33 No output. 22:27:36 `bin/bin 22:27:38 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/bin: Is a directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/bin: cannot execute: Is a directory 22:44:30 Since the minimal f is clearly too difficult to use, added some error messages to when using it wrong. 22:45:05 `cat bin/f 22:45:07 ​#! /bin/bash \ cmd="$1" \ shift \ f="$*" \ if [[ -z "$f" && "$cmd" == *\ * ]]; then f="${cmd#* }"; cmd="${cmd%% *}"; fi \ if [[ -z "$f" ]]; then echo try: \`f command filename; elif [[ -e "$f" ]]; then "$cmd" "$(< "$f")"; else echo no such file: "$f"; fi 22:45:53 `ls 22:45:55 ​^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ advice \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ lolwhy? \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUari 22:46:15 `cat ^ 22:46:16 No output. 22:46:23 `` ls -l ^ 22:46:26 ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 May 1 20:23 ^ 22:46:48 `` ls -l !\\* 22:46:50 ​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 32 May 1 20:23 !\.´ 22:47:02 `` cat !\\* 22:47:05 echo 'emergency signal toggled' 22:47:38 `cat 71 22:47:39 cat: 71: No such file or directory 22:47:39 er 22:47:44 `cat 71ab5gx8 22:47:45 ​#include 22:48:05 `culprits 71ab5gx8 22:48:23 `rm ^ 71ab5gx8 22:48:23 Moon_ 22:48:24 rm: cannot remove `^ 71ab5gx8': No such file or directory 22:48:26 Huh, there must be a \r in that file. 22:48:34 There's more to it than that. 22:48:40 hm 22:48:49 `paste 71ab5gx8 22:48:53 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/71ab5gx8 22:49:31 I don't know when HackEgo picked up this "\r terminates the output" thing, I didn't think that was always the case. 22:50:05 But it's clearly not just straightforwardly trying to output it unfiltered, because the standard \rPRIVMSG stuff doesn't do anything bad. 22:50:41 `` echo -e 'foo\nbar\rbaz' # it's just strange 22:50:43 foo \ bar 22:50:54 Maybe it just acts as EOF essentially 22:51:04 Well, yes, but why. 22:51:04 `` echo -e 'foo\r\nbar' 22:51:07 foo 22:51:23 I mean, it would act as EOF essentially if HackEgo *was* passing it through unfiltered. 22:51:23 Yeah, I dunno 22:51:48 hizzie HireFly 22:51:53 hachaf 22:52:05 `ls src 22:52:07 i was telling fizzie to hire you, obviously 22:52:07 bf \ brainfuck.fu \ c \ ciol \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm 22:52:14 HireFly is probably a name for something that exists. 22:52:27 `mv 71ab5gx8 src/bob.c 22:52:28 mv: missing destination file operand after `71ab5gx8 src/bob.c' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 22:52:30 er 22:52:32 `` mv 71ab5gx8 src/bob.c 22:52:35 I keep doing that 22:52:35 "Hirefly exists to help small and medium sized organizations hire better, so that more people can be engaged in meaningful work." 22:52:37 No output. 22:52:44 `rm ^ 22:52:46 No output. 22:53:00 `cat daoyu.c 22:53:01 ​/* 22:53:06 geez 22:53:21 All these carriages to return. 22:53:36 `` mv daoyu.c src/ 22:53:41 No output. 22:53:45 My professional recommendation for HackEgo spring cleanups is to go via the fshg. 22:53:49 `cat lolwhy? 22:53:50 cat: lolwhy?: Is a directory 22:54:10 fizzie: hmm, right 22:54:26 hi 22:54:30 im alive 22:55:30 `rm lolwhy? 22:55:32 rm: cannot remove `lolwhy?': Is a directory 22:55:37 `rmdir lolwhy? 22:55:38 No output. 23:04:34 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:14:38 The more I think about the rust language, the more I think that its language level use-once values really add a lot of expressivity to it. 23:16:16 to the moon_ 23:16:55 damnit, the puns are taking revenge on me 23:19:49 what is the largest n for which S(n) has been determined? 23:20:26 I hope S is the successort function here. 23:20:34 successor 23:20:35 Rado S 23:21:39 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:27:59 quintopia: I think Aaronson's blog post answers that question. 23:29:03 ok 23:30:15 I seem to recall the Wikipedia article having a table. 23:30:30 4, apparently 23:30:37 is the Laconic author in this channel? 23:30:50 we have lower bounds for 5 and 6 23:31:17 and 7 23:33:17 I don't think the author is particularly laconic. 23:34:16 i like that Yedidia has managed to get an academic paper out of a code golf 23:35:13 I wonder if PPCG could improve on the Yedidia TM. 23:35:46 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 23:38:30 goldbach only needs 267 bits 23:38:49 their paper appears to use 4964 23:41:44 -!- Naraka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:42:44 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:47:58 `? imho 23:48:01 imho? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:48:40 `learn IMHO means "In my humble omniscience". 23:48:43 Learned 'imho': IMHO means "In my humble omniscience". 23:49:42 oerjan: In My *Holy* Omniscience 23:49:52 Well, both technically 23:49:54 ooh 23:50:02 `learn IMHO means "In my holy omniscience". 23:50:03 The H is both "Humble" and "Holy" 23:50:06 Relearned 'imho': IMHO means "In my holy omniscience". 23:50:14 hppavilion[1]: thx tdh hand 23:50:49 `learn IMHO means "In My Holy Omniscience". 23:50:52 Relearned 'imho': IMHO means "In My Holy Omniscience". 23:52:21 I'm designing something that I'm not smart enough to implement... <-- tell me, are you _trolling_ for snarks? :P 23:52:37 oerjan: How so? 23:52:48 hppavilion[1]: "that shouldn't be hard" 23:52:49 because i have to resist making one 23:53:38 *reading up on anti-piracy measures* 23:53:46 (which means i failed to meta-resist it, i guess) 23:54:06 moon_: i think the Somalia operation worked pretty well 23:55:47 . o O ( maybe we should send RIAA there on a conference ) 23:56:39 otoh i saw someone get downvoted on reddit for wanting to torrent the ramanujan movie, so there is _some_ nuance there. 23:57:05 I subscribe to the #esoteric school of economics 23:57:10 (What is that school again?) 23:57:21 tromp: well there's a downside to a) targeting turing machines and b) compiling from a comparatively high level language. 23:57:30 hppavilion[1]: mostly cod, some haddock 23:58:39 int-e: y'all did see the aaronson link yesterday? (hm, i've not got around to finish reading it yet) 23:58:47 > f x 23:58:48 No instance for (Show a0) 23:58:48 arising from a use of ‘show_M710835518429648114410516’ 23:58:48 The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous 23:59:11 :t f . ($) 23:59:12 (Typeable a, Typeable b, FromExpr c) => (a -> b) -> c 23:59:45 oerjan: well, I saw it mentioned and didn't have time... now I've followed the link to the paper on the esolang page on Laconic 2016-05-05: 00:00:24 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:00:31 :t f 00:00:32 FromExpr a => a 00:00:39 hm weird 00:00:44 :t \x -> f x 00:00:45 (Show t, FromExpr r) => t -> r 00:01:33 > f 00:01:34 No instance for (Show a0) 00:01:34 arising from a use of ‘show_M461523684287504534910579’ 00:01:34 The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous 00:01:51 And I'm not sure I'll have the patience to actually read it. But the Goldbach program is relatively short in Laconic, and it really doesn't look like it should require 4888 states 00:02:35 "link to the paper"? 00:02:59 ? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Laconic 00:03:20 no, i mean, did you really mean "to" there 00:03:25 oh 00:03:57 * int-e is probably blind to an alternative way of parsing this sentence right now. 00:04:21 "the paper on"... oh. 00:04:36 that would be confusing :) 00:09:56 -!- moon has joined. 00:10:07 [wiki] [[Laconic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46922&oldid=46921 * Oerjan * (+14) Fmt 00:10:14 int-e: the almost 5000 states they need has a roughly 4000 state interpreter for locanic 00:10:19 -!- moon has changed nick to Guest80724. 00:10:26 Laconic 00:10:39 int-e: well mostly it was just that i didn't realize someone made that page 00:11:19 -!- Guest80724 has changed nick to moon__. 00:11:33 tromp: I see. 00:12:19 * oerjan thinks formatting refs on esolang is confusing after he started using Cite templates on Wikipedia. 00:14:52 * moon__ is downloading freebsd to run on a virtual machine 00:19:05 -!- `^_^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:19:23 [wiki] [[Var'aq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46923&oldid=46920 * Oerjan * (-233) /* External resources */ merge and template 00:20:30 -!- Xe has changed nick to _8ade2af05f26. 00:20:53 -!- _8ade2af05f26 has changed nick to Xe. 00:21:57 Can we substitute the complexes for something weirder to get weird quantum physics? :P <-- istr that discussed and the answer is essentially "no" 00:22:14 at least quaternions give nothing more 00:22:38 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 00:22:43 oerjan: Yeah, but what about the duals or split-complexes? 00:23:31 i don't remember what those are. 00:24:52 anyway, another idea is that quantum physics is based on a different idea of probability, and somehow only ordinary probability and quantum probability work without breaking the light speed limit for information. 00:25:01 oerjan: the dual numbers are what you get if you start with the numbers and reverse all the arrows hth 00:25:21 shachaf: meh 00:25:34 ouch 00:25:58 please try better than that if you want a swatting hth 00:26:12 that hurt more than any swatting hth 00:26:17 i know 00:27:05 well i had some good ones yesterday 00:27:12 (and not breaking the light speed limit is important because it's so easy to make up something "weird" that fails to do that) 00:27:15 true. 00:28:04 so the really weird thing about quantum mechanics isn't just how weird it is, but how it manages _not_ to give certain powers. 00:28:24 weird, but not always weird enough. 00:30:12 dan piponi wrote about something like that 00:31:03 mhm 00:31:59 freebsd is quite close to unix, right? 00:32:10 the image of dorian gray <-- . o O ( this file never changes, although it's SHA256 hash does... ) 00:32:18 *its 00:32:35 spooky 00:33:00 no one ever talks about that kind of attack on a hash function 00:33:03 second image attack 00:35:34 freebsd is quite close to unix, right? 00:36:11 ah, http://blog.sigfpe.com/2013/10/distributed-computing-with-alien.html 00:36:33 "It suggests that quantum mechanics is right at the edge of the space of possible physics that make life difficult for us. If quantum mechanics were to be tweaked the tiniest amount to make correlations any stronger, large numbers of difficult distributed computing problems would suddenly collapse to become trivial. If the conjecture is true it means that nature looks a bit like a conspiracy to keep comp 00:36:39 uter scientists in work." 00:36:47 so close to unix, so far from plan 9 00:37:18 shachaf: hm that might be where i got it from too 00:38:17 good 00:38:34 that means running a virtual machine of it and treating it like a terminal is not a bad idea (lol) 00:41:16 * oerjan think moon__ may have got whooshed 00:41:23 actually 00:41:30 i can be batshit crazy at times 00:41:56 i think they're both POSIX systems, no? 00:43:34 oh wait 00:43:53 * oerjan misread unix as linux 00:44:10 anyway, it's all a big happy family. 00:44:34 don't mind the strange sounds in the attic. 00:46:34 vi woont work, saying the disk is readonly, but i have a empty disk mounted, help? 00:47:25 what does df say 00:47:50 hm wait 00:48:22 something about dwarves 00:49:13 lol damnit 00:49:27 nice one sha 00:49:42 it says i have two drives mounted (i guess?) rootfs and devfs 00:50:36 sorry, that command doesn't say whether it's readonly. i've forgotten what does. 00:50:52 * oerjan doesn't do sysadmining himself. 00:51:39 'mount' generally does. 00:51:39 mount 00:52:14 fizzie: how's pooches? 00:52:35 if you have root mounted as readonly, then mount will usually give incorrect information, because it tries to read the list of mounted disks from /etc/mtab which is read-only so previous mounts couldn't write it. 00:52:50 -!- moon has joined. 00:53:00 connection died 00:53:14 -!- moon has changed nick to Guest90291. 00:53:23 ok, i just had problems getting it to show only one mount. 00:53:28 You can try reading /proc/self/mounts instead to ask the kernel to give you a list of mounts (sadly it's formatted to human-readable irreversibly) 00:53:31 -!- Guest90291 has changed nick to moon___. 00:53:44 b_jonas: At least my mount just reads from /proc. I don't know about FreeBSD's, though. 00:54:00 so i did df . first to get the mount point, then mount | grep ... 00:54:08 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:54:15 nope 00:54:52 ? 00:54:56 what oerjan? 00:54:57 (And my /etc/mtab is a symlink to ../proc/self/mounts, apparently.) 00:55:02 *is linux shit* 00:55:15 moon___: fizzie said you might have trouble if root is readonly 00:55:20 moon___: three guesses: (1) try vim, (2) mount a writable disk (possibly a tmpfs) and use the :set directory command of vi to put the temp files there, (3) ask #vim on this network 00:55:20 I didn't. 00:55:24 b_jonas did. 00:55:28 oh. 00:55:41 yea, i used the virtual disk supplyed by freebsd 00:55:44 shachaf: I don't know whether that's an idiom or reference. 00:55:55 b_jonas: please stop resembling fizzie twh 00:56:12 (4) if all else fails, just use sed, it doesn't need to create temp files 00:56:30 rootfs is read only 00:56:35 trouble, darnit 00:56:42 `? fizzie 00:56:55 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 00:57:06 moon___: also, um, this might be dumb but, any chance you can just remount the root fs to read-write? 00:57:26 Any chance you can just have a normal installation of a thing. 00:57:40 like, how? 00:57:50 how b_jonas 00:58:42 moon___: like, first find out why it was mounted read-only, if it was mounted read-only because there are serious file system or disk io errors, then it might be dangerous to try to remount so don't do it, but if it is mounted ro only at boot and something happened and the boot couldn't proceed then it MIGHT be safe to remount, 00:58:51 moon___: then mount -oremount,rw / 00:59:07 its a virtual machine 00:59:12 cant hurt anything for now 00:59:13 (if it's on a read-only disk, then it won't work) 00:59:22 * oerjan vaguely assumes moon___ has never used a unix-alike system before. 00:59:31 * moon___ notes that oerjan is right 00:59:39 I thought he's just never adminned one 00:59:50 which means this advice is probably a bit over his head 01:00:03 (it's pretty close to over mine, too) 01:00:32 b_jonas: This would be relatively normal experience to have as a *knowledgable* user of a typical Unix system. 01:00:33 ill try just using a installation disk 01:00:43 oerjan: well, learning unix by managing an installation at home and trying to fix stuff I break did work for me. 01:00:44 It's "mount -u -o rw /" on FreeBSD, I believe. But, I mean, I distinctly remember a stock FreeBSD installation having writable storage. 01:01:00 Though certainly not, say, an OS X system, or a slightly less knowledgable user of a Unix system. 01:01:12 thx fizzie 01:01:13 done 01:01:50 pikhq: dunno, the mount might be but the vi magic part probably isn't. some unixy people can live their lives without knowing much of vi 01:02:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:02:11 `? vim 01:02:12 `? vi 01:02:16 `? 5 01:02:25 `? ex 01:02:41 Okay, yes, knowing vi in detail is mostly gonna be admins or certain serious programmers. 01:02:55 Classically, you need to know enough of vi to get out of it. 01:03:01 No output. 01:03:04 vi is in a relationship with emacs. 01:03:05 ex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:03:05 5? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:03:28 fizzie: my opinion is that you need to know enough of vi to modify some makefiles of another editor you compile 01:04:11 On systems people *actually use*, knowing nano exists is plenty. 01:04:32 i just realized my system thinks it doesnt have mk, im worried it might not 01:04:34 [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46924&oldid=46918 * H3LL * (+1) 01:04:41 http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=718 01:04:51 moon___: mk is a HackEgo command we made ourselves. 01:04:56 oh 01:05:06 *sigh* 01:05:15 `cat bin/mk 01:05:16 ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" 01:05:23 pikhq: maybe you also have to know what handful of configuration you have to set to make programs invoke your editor of choice as the default editor, because not everything respects $VISUAL or $EDITOR 01:05:29 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:05:31 moon___: because we don't have proper terminal access for a normal editor. 01:05:42 i dnt get vi at all 01:05:55 moon___: do you have nano, as pikhq suggested? 01:06:09 nope 01:06:34 Sure. 01:06:43 oerjan: we could implement a small stateful line editor though. probably something like the editors in basic or APL systems that don't renumber lines until you explicitly ask but let you insert lines between already existing ones. 01:07:23 b_jonas: we don't like too much state, it clutters up the repository history 01:08:01 oerjan: yeah... isn't there a stateful directory (or other state) that's not versioned though, so we use that? 01:08:05 nope 01:08:07 No. 01:08:18 Not even as an accidental feature or bug? 01:08:31 Not as a known one. 01:08:33 moon___: what are you hoping to edit with vim anyway if your file systems are read-only? 01:08:51 i fixed that 01:08:54 fizzie 01:09:11 fizzie: hmm... note to self, find some such bug 01:09:39 It would likely involve a bug in the uml sandbox. 01:10:37 freebsd lacks vim 01:10:39 it has vi 01:10:44 and ee (easy editor) 01:10:48 fizzie: I don't think it needs to. those sandboxes aren't really built to be completely deterministic, so we can use some side-channel to store state. 01:10:50 im going to use ee to learn 01:10:59 hppavilion[1]: Ew. 01:11:18 oerjan: Correct 01:11:30 moon________________________________________! 01:11:48 b_jonas: Each execution is a fresh boot of UML, and the only thing bound read-write from outside is the repository directory. 01:12:08 fizzie: yes, but I said side-channels. non-deterministic stuff. 01:12:26 not actualy fs directories 01:12:41 moon___: btw you can always replace mk with echo '...' >filename , although you might need to escape 's inside 01:12:44 I'll believe that once I see it. 01:13:40 there might not be a practically usable one of course 01:16:17 Having an easy-to-use stateful editor would also be a loss in the sense that editing files would be less of a puzzle game every time. 01:17:50 `cat bin/sedlast 01:17:51 sed -i "$1" "$(lastfiles)" 01:18:08 `ls fetch 01:18:09 ls: cannot access fetch: No such file or directory 01:18:14 `cat bin/fetch 01:18:15 cat: bin/fetch: No such file or directory 01:18:20 `cat fetch 01:18:21 cat: fetch: No such file or directory 01:18:24 hmm 01:18:48 moon___: fetch is a builtin of HackEgo that's outside the sandbox precisely so it can access the web freely 01:18:55 oh 01:19:12 fizzie: well, it's a win-win because if I don't find such a state, then I can just say termbot is superior 01:19:21 (for it has persistent state) 01:19:30 `` ls bin/*sed* 01:19:31 bin/sedlast 01:19:32 (and it's not version controlled) 01:20:40 that does not sound superior hth 01:20:59 what would be a good way to put a file (like ciol intepreter src) onto freebsd? 01:21:18 moon___: normally i'd suggest curl or wget but i don't know if those work inside your VM. 01:21:27 well 01:21:31 mine is set up ith connection 01:21:34 no no, first check if you can install from ports 01:22:07 b_jonas: ciol is his own esolang 01:22:37 * oerjan never used a VM so should shut up at this point 01:23:22 but there's probably a standard way to transfer files between inside and outside 01:23:39 do we even know what kind of vm it is? 01:23:47 good point 01:24:26 also, it's never "a standard" 01:24:55 well standard for the VM 01:24:57 there's probably multiple standard ways 01:24:58 its virtualbox 01:25:39 moon___: well, if it already has a network connection to the outside, then you can probably transfer the file through that 01:25:39 . o O ( wednesday, so two extra mezzacotta comics ) 01:25:42 shachaf: the heck is a comonoid? Is it... something where... nah, I'm stumped. 01:25:59 `? comonoid 01:26:00 tswett: it's like a monoid but with the arrows reversed hth 01:26:00 comonoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:26:09 wait, we don't have an entry on this one? 01:26:15 strange 01:26:29 tswett: this time shachaf speaks truth 01:26:30 `? comonad 01:26:32 Comonads are just monads in the dual category. 01:26:52 Is a comonoid in a category a monoid in the opposite category? 01:26:58 Yes. 01:27:29 b_jonas: they're uninteresting in haskell because _every_ type is a comonoid with the operations \x -> () and \x -> (x,x) (iirc) 01:27:59 oerjan: For (,)-comonoids, yes. 01:28:10 You can also talk about comonoids with Either, I guess. 01:28:20 are those interesting? 01:28:23 No. 01:28:36 You have counit : M -> Void and comult : M -> Either M M 01:28:38 hat does pkg mean when 'Error fetching : no package record? 01:28:46 So only Void is an instance. 01:29:16 You can also talk about monoids with Either -- unit : Void -> A and mult : Either A A -> A -- and those are also uninteresting. 01:29:28 oerjan: um, just because there's one definition that works, there might also be more interesting instances you can define. 01:29:35 b_jonas: There aren't. 01:29:58 On the other hand, if you're talking about monoids in the category of endofunctors you get all sorts of interesting options. 01:30:12 You can get Applicative, Alternative, and Monad. 01:30:20 Alternative too? 01:30:31 Yes, you can get it two different ways. 01:30:51 The simpler one is with (:*:). 01:31:14 unit : Proxy ~> F; mult : (F :*: F) ~> F 01:31:16 is there a category of monoid concepts in the category of endofunctors, and does it have initial and final elements 01:31:30 what's a monoid concept 01:31:49 those options you mention 01:32:01 so s/concept/option/ 01:32:20 Well, the "options" here are choices of tensor products for the category of endofunctors, I guess. 01:32:32 what does pkg mean when 'Error fetching : no package record'? 01:32:41 im trying to have it install itself 01:32:48 it doesnt come preinstalled 01:32:59 I'm not sure what a morphism from one choice of tensor product to another is? 01:33:36 I guess a tensor product is a bifunctor : CxC -> C 01:33:40 shachaf: the category is defined in the natural way hth 01:33:43 So you can talk about natural transformations between them. 01:34:05 b_jonas: so what's the answer twh 01:34:31 fizzie: can we have a graph of the rise of hth along with its friends twh tdh tdnh etc. twh 01:35:03 shachaf: you'd imagine the Applicative => Monad relationship to give an arrow somewhere? 01:35:24 Maybe? 01:35:41 Also the category is probably more complicated because you have the identity and the isomorphisms. 01:36:38 > f :: Expr -> Expr 01:36:39 Expr> 01:36:51 (no relation) 01:38:10 (i've just been thinking about the awkward fact that Expr stuff needs too much type annotation) 01:38:59 > f (g x) :: Expr 01:39:01 No instance for (Show t0) arising from a use of ‘f’ 01:39:01 The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous 01:39:01 Note: there are several potential instances: 01:39:29 :t \g -> f (g x) :: Expr 01:39:30 Show t => (Expr -> t) -> Expr 01:40:14 hm lambdabot doesn't do ExtendedDefaulting? 01:40:53 :t f (g x) :: Expr 01:40:54 No instance for (Show t0) arising from a use of ‘f’ 01:40:54 The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous 01:40:54 Note: there are several potential instances: 01:41:01 :t f (g x) 01:41:02 Could not deduce (Show t0) arising from a use of ‘f’ 01:41:02 from the context (FromExpr t) 01:41:02 bound by the inferred type of it :: FromExpr t => t 01:44:32 So I got to thinking today—using pretty much only just existing software, how could you make a Linux distribution which contains the smallest possible number of non-.NET components? 01:45:14 Let's say that in order to be considered a "Linux distribution", it has to be capable of compiling itself, and it also has to be minimally usable. 01:45:56 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:45:56 By definition, the distro will have to include Linux. If I'm not mistaken, GCC is also mandatory, because nothing besides GCC can compile Linux. 01:46:18 Without binutils, you're in a pretty bad spot. 01:46:23 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 01:46:31 I think technically you could add Busybox and call it done. 01:46:53 But that's not an answer that's in the spirit of the question. 01:47:08 So, add in Mono as well. 01:47:26 @ask int-e Would anything important go wrong if you added Expr to the end of lambdabot's default list? (i can think of one thing: expressions confusing Integrals and Fractionals might inexplicably start giving Exprs instead of errors.) 01:47:26 Consider it noted. 01:47:27 tswett: you also need a libc besides the busybox 01:47:46 Oh yeah, libc is pretty important. 01:47:52 tswett: as well as a make, a couple of libraries for gcc, and some shell utilities to make the kernel build work 01:48:10 Do you really need make at all? 01:49:01 tswett: for compiling the kernel, sure, it's driven by makefiles 01:49:10 * tswett nods. 01:49:22 So either use make, or replace all the makefiles with something else. 01:49:24 oh, and you need libc headers too, to be able to compiler gcc 01:49:41 You could use fsharpi as a shell. 01:49:52 It would make a pretty crappy standard Linux shell. 01:50:04 tswett: what you could do is to not include gcc directly, but instead include a smaller compiler and use that to compile a gcc 01:50:07 freebsd is causing problems, wont let me run files 01:50:37 although with recent gcc versions that's pretty difficult because you actually need a c++ compiler, and there's not many working ones other than gcc and clang 01:50:47 any help? 01:50:54 i need to run rc but i cant 01:50:59 moon___: um, be more specific please 01:51:08 permission denied 01:51:21 Sounds like you might need to chmod +x the file you're trying to run. 01:51:26 tswett: you need a _real_ shell and a couple of utils to run those makefiles 01:51:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:52:00 So the minimal self-compiling Linux distro actually includes, like, several components. 01:52:49 tswett: sure. and in a real distro, you'd also need an init and a modutils, though if you ONLY want to self-compile, not do anything else, you can probably omit them 01:53:14 Surely init could be written in .NET. 01:53:29 Or, like, 01:53:39 ln -s fsharpi /bin/init 01:53:41 tswett: ugh... no. and traditional init is a small program, so you don't have to. 01:53:58 it's easier to just have an init 01:54:25 tswett: wait wat 01:54:27 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:54:35 tswett: the biggest problem isn't even gcc 01:54:47 tswett: in "self-compiling", do you mean also compiling libc? 01:54:58 Probably. 01:55:04 because compiling libc is pretty much impossible (this is a known bug or known feature, depending on who you ask) 01:55:24 so you can't really have a completely self-compiling linux distro with gnu libc at all 01:55:37 you'll need to use an alternate libc, and that makes a lot of things harder 01:55:47 glibc is nearly impossible to compile? 01:56:06 tswett: yes, or it was last I checked, some years ago. there's even a bug ticket about it which says so. 01:56:31 tswett: have you ever compiled one? I did, but that was a decade ago, so I know it's *changed* to become impossible to compile at some point. 01:56:39 It's not just that I'm stupid and that's why I can't compile it. 01:56:43 It grew and became worse. 01:56:44 I don't think I have. 01:57:26 More like 15 years ago actually. How time flies. 02:00:43 But failing to build libc was also a long time ago, so eventually I should try building libc again, because it's annoying that I can't. I know libc has changed a lot since I failed to build it. 02:01:14 i dont get rc.conf at all, and i cant enable networking *sigh* 02:01:29 I should probably try to build it around the time I try contact lenses the third time, for the situation is somewhat analogous, with me, contact lenses, and libc all changing a lot during the yeras. 02:07:31 > last (takeWhile (> 0)) (iterate (/ 2) 1) 02:07:32 Couldn't match expected type ‘[[Double] -> t]’ 02:07:32 with actual type ‘[Integer] -> [Integer]’ 02:07:32 Probable cause: ‘takeWhile’ is applied to too few arguments 02:07:47 > last (takeWhile (> 0) (iterate (/ 2) 1)) 02:07:49 5.0e-324 02:14:26 oh well, im going to have to go to my ip configuration to make address space for freebsd 02:24:42 -!- Akaibu has quit. 02:29:28 -!- moon___ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:31:54 `` echo -e 'foo\nbar\rPRIVMSG #esoteric :hi\r\n' #just double checking fizzie's claim 02:32:16 foo \ bar 02:33:00 maybe it fails because it doesn't output \r\n, only \r 02:37:34 `` echo -e 'foo\nbar\rQUIT' 02:37:37 foo \ bar 02:41:06 > 5.0e-324 02:41:08 5.0e-324 02:41:10 > 5.0e-324 / 2 02:41:12 0.0 02:41:40 > 324 * logBase 2 10 02:41:42 1076.3047027435055 02:42:12 > length (takeWhile (> 0) (iterate (/ 2) 1)) 02:42:13 1075 02:42:31 > subtract 1 . last . takeWhile (> 1) . map (+1) . iterate (/ 2) $ 1 02:42:32 2.220446049250313e-16 02:43:09 > (1 + 2.220446049250313e-16, 1 + 2.220446049250313e-16 / 2, 1 + 2.220446049250313e-16 / 3, 1 + 2 * 2.220446049250313e-16 / 3) 02:43:11 (1.0000000000000002,1.0,1.0,1.0000000000000002) 02:43:33 What rounding rule is this thing using? 02:43:40 Ties go towards zero? 02:50:26 -!- Moon__ has joined. 02:50:32 On my tablet now 02:50:43 i discovered termux 02:54:24 > (2 * 5.0e-324) * 1.5 02:54:26 1.5e-323 02:54:45 Whoops, that's the wrong one. 02:54:48 > (2 * 5.0e-324) * 0.75 02:54:50 1.0e-323 02:55:30 tswett: well calculations are IEEE, not sure about output. 02:55:42 Well, the rounding rule can't be "ties go towards zero", then. 02:56:30 towards even perhaps? 02:56:35 By the way, I propose that 2.220446049250313e-16 be called a "grain" and that 5.0e-324 be called a "speck". 02:56:46 That would probably make sense. 02:57:12 > [1.0 - 1, 1.0000000000000001 - 1, 1.0000000000000002 - 1, 1.0000000000000003 - 1, 1.0000000000000004 - 1] 02:57:13 [0.0,0.0,2.220446049250313e-16,2.220446049250313e-16,4.440892098500626e-16] 03:07:45 So, about those groups with unsolvable word problems (i.e. undecidable equality). 03:08:02 One of them is the group of (Collins 1986): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_problem_for_groups#Examples 03:08:16 Which is somewhat complicated. 03:16:26 I guess we probably don't have a better one. 03:16:35 So, do I smell an esolang here? 03:16:45 Hi tswett 03:18:47 Hey there. 03:20:29 I think I do smell an esolang here. 03:20:52 Take Collins' group there. Just come up with some notation for concisely expressing elements of the group, and that's the language itself. 03:21:05 The semantics: you "run" a program by trying to reduce it to the identity word. 03:25:05 Wait a minute, that group of Collins is pretty much just a hacked-up version of a semigroup by Céjtin. 03:26:02 This variant of said semigroup is so simple that I can easily give an entire presentation for the whole thing in one IRC message: 03:26:51 ac = ca; ad = da; bc = cb; bd = db; ce = eca; de = edb; cca = ccae 03:30:57 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:31:12 `fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/BGTV9E93 03:31:15 2016-05-05 02:31:12 URL:http://pastebin.com/raw/BGTV9E93 [3761] -> "BGTV9E93" [1] 03:31:23 someone compile that as bin/ciol 03:32:16 im not too good with gcc, i leave that to my ide :p 03:39:03 -!- Froox has joined. 03:40:02 Hi 03:40:09 `ciol rhello; 03:40:24 hello 03:40:57 -!- Froo has joined. 03:41:36 Hi 03:41:41 `ciol rhello; 03:41:47 hello 03:41:59 #slowego 03:42:09 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:42:41 Anyone alive in here? 03:43:18 tswett? 03:43:22 huh. 03:43:47 Yup, I'm here. 03:44:33 -!- Froox has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:44:46 I'm here, but I'm not alive. 03:45:31 Lll 03:45:34 lol 03:45:45 i really adore termux 03:46:02 power =ful linux/unix like interface on your android' 03:46:03 -!- Froo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:47:21 How do i tell a linux os to allow a file to be executed without chmod? 03:47:37 and in such a way i dont have to repeated that trick every time 03:48:05 tswett and pikhq ^ 03:48:08 You don't, really. If you want a file to be executable you have to use chmod on it first. 03:48:24 `` gcc -x c -o bin/ciol BGTV9E93 # oh well 03:48:37 No output. 03:49:04 Though, most things that generate executables will set things as executable for you. 03:49:23 pikhq: well there _is_ a way. it might not be a good idea... 03:49:23 If you use NTFS as your root filesystem, won't that effectively make everything +x? (Note: this is probably a very bad idea.) 03:49:39 NTFS is not usable as a root filesystem. 03:49:47 Why not? 03:49:51 At least, not on Linux with current NTFS implementations. 03:50:18 As I understand it, in principle you could implement a Unix system with NTFS as the root FS, but you couldn't use ntfs-3g for it. 03:50:40 Because it does little tricks like making everything +x. 03:50:49 Oh, ok 03:50:55 im sticking with fa 03:51:00 *fs 03:51:10 the default one 03:52:03 pikhq: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#rootfs 03:52:03 `url bin/mk 03:52:07 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mk 03:52:07 NTFS probably doesn't let you make a filename containing nearly arbitrary bytes. 03:52:14 -!- Moon__ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 03:52:16 Does NTFS let you have a backslash in the name of a file? 03:52:47 Shockingly, it does. 03:52:53 It's Win32 that doesn't. 03:53:07 -!- Moon__- has joined. 03:53:30 çlosed chatoon accident 03:53:41 I am in fact surprised by this. 03:54:00 How about a forward slash? 03:54:20 I don't think it does. 03:54:55 `url bin/echo-p 03:54:57 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/echo-p 03:55:00 But, it doesn't matter for purposes of implementing POSIX. POSIX doesn't require you to be able to store arbitrary bytes in a filename. 03:55:36 http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_278 Just [A-Za-z0-9._-]* 03:57:09 `url bin/echo-p:p 03:57:11 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/echo-p%3Ap 03:57:17 Yay i ported mk to turmux 03:57:55 something familiar and good for usage inside shellscript 03:58:19 Moon__-: note that mk in shell will behave like `` mk does in HackEgo, not like `mk 03:58:30 ik 03:58:31 so it's a little more awkward to use 03:58:52 dont '' work? 03:59:05 as long as you don't need 's inside it... 03:59:12 true 03:59:31 true:p 03:59:36 Moon__-: you probably want mkx too, then 03:59:37 So its worthwhile :p 03:59:50 `url bin/mk 03:59:52 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mk 03:59:52 `url bin/mkx 03:59:54 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mkx 04:00:28 Apparently filenames in Windows can't end with a dot or space. 04:00:33 HackEgo: your utilities are spreading! 04:01:18 Hmm. 04:01:20 `run ' 04:01:22 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 04:02:28 Hackegos utilities are amazing :P 04:05:30 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:06:12 `mkx mkcmd//'key=$@ && echo "$key" && chmod+x "$key"' 04:06:17 mkcmd 04:06:21 useful for pastes 04:06:43 Moon__-: hm? 04:06:52 ``mv mkcmd bin/mkcmd 04:06:55 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found 04:07:06 `` mv mkcmd bin/mkcmd 04:07:10 No output. 04:07:33 Moon__-: that's buggy, also how is it better than `` chmod +x 04:07:37 mkcmd Would be good for external files' 04:07:44 shorter 04:07:54 still buggy. 04:08:02 .-. 04:08:13 delete it if you want 04:09:09 `mkx bin/mkcmd//chmod +x "$1" && echo "$1" 04:09:12 bin/mkcmd 04:09:18 i think that's better 04:10:05 you don't need to make a variable just to refer to an argument, also there were two errors, and i think putting the echo last gives better error messages 04:10:11 `mkcmd fnord 04:10:13 chmod: cannot access `fnord': No such file or directory 04:10:25 (by not also doing the echo) 04:16:12 Who made fueue? 04:17:29 Taneb invented it 04:18:01 several people made implementations. 04:18:21 Ah 04:25:51 http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725 Adam Yedidia has explicitly constructed a Turing machine with 7918 states whose halting is independent of ZFC set theory. 04:31:16 Hello, Moon! 04:31:30 Hi 04:31:38 im working with termux 04:31:41 at the sec 04:31:49 Ah, neat 04:33:05 porting mk over to it made things easier for me 04:34:00 Very nice! 04:41:47 Cale: already linked, currently reading 04:49:35 -!- Moon- has joined. 04:49:46 Back 04:49:58 whos alive? 04:52:28 -!- Moon__- has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:52:48 .. 04:59:30 BRAINS 05:00:55 Mop 05:01:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:02:05 Moon-: Why not make a language with syntax? 05:02:11 Hp, hi! 05:02:23 "hi"? 05:02:23 maybe later 05:03:39 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:03:59 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:06:08 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:10:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:13:22 -!- u0_a201 has joined. 05:13:28 hi 05:13:45 im trying a new cliemt\ 05:14:07 -!- u0_a201 has changed nick to moon___. 05:14:12 fixed 05:14:31 anyone alive? 05:15:17 -!- moon___ has quit (Client Quit). 05:15:34 no 05:15:38 Anyone alive? 05:16:10 only you hth 05:17:43 .-. 05:18:22 oerjan is going to rise from the dead p. soon, though 05:19:38 Shachaf, what would be a safe command identifier for a new bot? 05:20:00 why are you asking me 05:20:55 Idl 05:21:04 i just wana know 05:21:17 ~check 05:21:49 ^prefixes 05:21:49 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 05:21:58 technically ~ is taken 05:22:20 @metar ENVA 05:22:21 ENVA 050350Z 09004KT CAVOK 05/M00 Q1021 RMK WIND 670FT 14008KT 05:22:21 ] hm 05:22:24 @metar KOAK 05:22:25 KOAK 050353Z 25009KT 10SM FEW019 FEW100 BKN180 16/10 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01560100 05:22:44 & then? 05:22:51 &hm 05:23:01 & 3 05:23:09 i suppose that's not in use 05:23:26 although it might be in danger of being used by humans 05:23:28 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:24:06 & what if it is 05:24:30 ( if you don't think triggering bots accidentally is annoying, go ahead ) 05:24:31 (input):1:60: error: expected: "#", 05:24:31 "$", "&", "&&", "&&&", "*!>", 05:24:31 "*", "***", "*>", "*>|", "+", 05:24:31 "++", "+++", "-", "->", ".", 05:24:31 "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", "::",↵… 05:25:07 to be fair, bots that respond with more than one line of output like that are annoying in themselves 05:25:16 true. 05:25:46 lambdabot: this means you hth 05:26:27 Hahah. 05:26:55 shachaf: At least it stopped itself at 5. 05:27:16 !whoami 05:27:26 24601, who else? 05:27:35 llol 05:27:38 Moon-: EgoBot isn't present at the moment. 05:28:06 hm gregor isn't even online now 05:28:20 good thing too 05:28:24 apparently oerjan has a thing about presents 05:29:23 yes. also my priority queue more resembles a stack. 05:29:45 well, i'm not objecting to the timing 05:29:59 just saying that you were unhappy at one time 05:30:11 or maybe obligated to act unhappy, it's not clear 05:30:23 it's never clear 05:30:27 -!- scriptobot has joined. 05:30:29 going to a talk by wadler tomorrow 05:30:40 &whoami 05:30:40 Moon- is 4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 05:30:50 scriptobot: and who are you? 05:30:57 yay! :p 05:30:57 mine 05:30:57 shachaf: make sure to criticize his lexical comment syntax 05:31:12 Moon-: the joke was that i started my sentence with "and" hth 05:32:00 for want of a nail, the joke was lost 05:33:52 for want of a nale, the sabine was lost 05:34:06 &ping 05:34:18 -!- scriptobot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:34:32 -!- scriptobot has joined. 05:34:34 &ping 05:34:46 ? 05:35:13 .. 05:35:36 so how often do they hold the elections for king of norway 05:35:41 you should run next time 05:35:59 &ping 05:36:11 &whoami 05:36:12 Moon- is 4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 05:36:17 ... 05:36:32 -!- scriptobot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:36:55 -!- scriptobot has joined. 05:36:58 &ping 05:37:09 ........... 05:57:09 shachaf: i'm not sure if there's ever been one hth 05:57:26 oh man 05:57:31 how's the current one doing in the polls 05:57:39 and i don't think so. the current king is like ridiculously hard-working. 05:57:53 so, pretty good. 05:57:57 sounds like a good contrast 05:58:07 you can't be like him if you want to defeat him 05:58:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:59:27 Actually.. 05:59:49 what would be a good way to set up a shell bot? 05:59:54 like hackego 06:01:23 carefully hth 06:01:46 even Gregor's bots have security flaws. 06:02:00 although mostly because he's never around to fix them. 06:02:14 (Gregor being HackEgo's writer) 06:32:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:37:11 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:40:34 -!- Akaibu has joined. 06:41:14 -!- Moon- has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:46:42 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:53:07 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:01:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:02:38 -!- Moon__ has joined. 07:05:35 -!- centrinia has joined. 07:05:51 -!- centrinia has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:11:05 * hppavilion[1] once shot a man in reno, for all wondering 07:11:13 `shootamaninreno 07:11:30 HackEgo? 07:11:33 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: shootamaninreno: not found 07:26:24 `? hppavilion[1] 07:26:30 hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. 07:26:39 `? hppavilion 07:26:41 hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk 07:26:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:49:25 oerjan: oh, what's-her-name's ring of water breathing protects against the cold 07:49:32 oerjan: so now she's going to freeze to death or something? 07:50:18 shachaf: i thought of that. hopefully they can switch quickly enough. 07:50:58 i guess she could also take the cloak 07:53:22 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:55:20 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 08:07:24 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:11:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:40:14 -!- rdococ has joined. 08:51:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:13:45 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:21:34 shachaf: I honestly thought both of thems were dudes for this whole time. 09:22:06 whoa whoa whoa, fizzolist? 09:22:23 Sure, except I use the feed. 09:22:41 if you use the feed how come you never notify the rest of us 09:22:50 I think I've done it twice. 09:23:42 No, three (3) times, for 956, 958 and 960. 09:24:22 i,i three (4) times 09:24:44 I usually read these things in the train, and it's inconvenient to come here and `olist, and by the time I'm wherever I'm going, I've already forgotten. 09:25:23 Train IRC is inconvenient? 09:25:27 shachaf: it seems that sorear has been programming a more direct logic search in that Laconic language 09:25:35 Cale: ^ 09:25:45 whoa, sorear 09:26:19 he's posting comments about it on aaronson's blog 09:26:25 cool, so we might get even smaller state counts :D 09:26:49 I wonder why he scrapped IRC. If he did. 09:27:20 well i haven't seen them give a count of the states yet. (his version used nullary functions which aren't supported by the Laconic -> TM compiler) 09:27:41 shachaf: oh he has? 09:27:55 * oerjan wouldn't know since he scrapped #haskell >:/ 09:28:09 *did 09:29:11 By that nick, at least. 09:29:18 oerjan: and also probably has lots of bugs 09:30:13 b_jonas: yeah he mentioned some bugs. i'm only on comment #57. 09:30:23 (that thread grew fast) 09:36:34 next comment mentions unlambda and brainfuck 09:57:31 "If this indeed works, then Adam predicts that it will indeed lead to a TM with fewer states than what you get from Friedman’s statement — he says your program is about as complicated as his program for the Riemann hypothesis, which suggests that we might get under 6000 states." 09:57:59 Cale: that looks good 09:58:23 nice 10:06:58 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 10:07:08 oerjan: one problem with these sorts of programs is that they're hard to debug 10:07:44 you have to add lots of debug code (in the program definitely, possibly also into the compiler too) to check that the program behaves like you want 11:25:43 -!- boily has joined. 11:44:12 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:50:27 @massages-loud 11:50:27 hppavilion[1] said 14h 19m 11s ago: F24DBA5FB0A30E26E83B2AC5B9E29E1B161E5C1FA7425E73043362938B9824chaf <-- beat THAT! 11:51:37 @tell hppavilion[1] you deserve a mapole thwack for that outrageous pun hth 11:51:37 Consider it noted. 11:51:51 @tell hppavilion[1] (pretty creative, though) 11:51:51 Consider it noted. 11:54:41 it's too long for sha1, too short for sha256... 11:56:25 and google hasn't seen that hex number either 11:58:35 int-ello. maybe it's SHA-224? 12:00:18 @ask hppavilion[1] which was the actual hash you hashachafed shachaf with? 12:00:18 Consider it noted. 12:09:18 -!- tromp_ has joined. 12:14:32 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:17:13 boily: it would have to be sha-248 12:20:34 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:20:48 -!- boily has quit (Quit: JOKER CHICKEN). 12:25:10 It was alleged to be SHA-256. 12:25:18 Maybe a byte got lost. 12:25:42 Or maybe it's behind the chaf. 12:31:59 -!- nrdhm has joined. 12:33:53 -!- Akaibu has joined. 12:35:06 or inside... it's 3/4 hexadecimal after all 12:39:12 -!- ybden has joined. 12:50:51 -!- nrdhm has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:14:23 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:19:55 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:20:20 -!- Moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:20:54 -!- scriptobot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:24:05 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 13:28:45 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:33:16 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Occular * New user account 13:47:32 [wiki] [[Nullary]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46925 * Occular * (+926) Created page with "[[Nullary]] is a [[No-code]] esolang created by [[occular]]. == History == The language was conceived in May 2016, as a possible answer to the question "What would be next s..." 13:47:56 [wiki] [[Nullary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46926&oldid=46925 * Occular * (+0) 13:48:32 [wiki] [[Nullary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46927&oldid=46926 * Occular * (+4) 13:48:47 [wiki] [[Nullary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46928&oldid=46927 * Occular * (+8) 13:49:33 [wiki] [[Nullary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46929&oldid=46928 * Occular * (-24) 13:50:16 [wiki] [[No-code esolang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46930 * Occular * (+113) Created page with "A no-code esolang either ignores or actively refuses any sort of input to the language interpreter or executable." 13:50:40 [wiki] [[No-code esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46931&oldid=46930 * Occular * (+5) 13:52:58 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46932&oldid=46832 * Occular * (+111) 13:55:23 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46933&oldid=46932 * Occular * (+82) 13:55:52 [wiki] [[Hipster]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46934 * Occular * (+129) Created page with "== Description == What, you don't already know about the definition of Hipster? 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I think you're the third who brought it up independently. 15:27:34 ais523: I guessed you'd be interested 15:27:36 well it is clearly ontopic 15:27:48 ais523: sure, I already added one of the languages used to the wiki 15:27:50 given that it mentions brainfuck and lambda independently, also me 15:28:00 (indirectly) 15:28:10 the comments have sort-of collapsed into Turing Machine golf 15:28:11 which I approve of 15:28:58 ais523: yes, but I'm a bit afraid they'll all just write untested code and not bother to properly test that it works. testing in this case isn't easy, it needs lots of extra debug code in the source code, and possibly some debug stuff in the compiler or interpreter. 15:29:18 indeed 15:29:31 at least with a goldbach conjecture counterexample search, which most of the golfing is focusing on 15:29:36 it's relatively easy to check whether it's working by hand 15:55:54 -!- nrdhm has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 15:56:20 -!- nrdhm has joined. 16:11:09 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:15:15 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:19:30 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:22:39 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:23:52 -!- ^v has joined. 16:24:54 -!- nrdhm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:25:06 -!- atriq has changed nick to Taneb. 16:36:38 After a short break, I am back on IRC 16:37:42 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:38:31 [wiki] [[Shatner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46949&oldid=46946 * Occular * (+5) 16:38:51 [wiki] [[Occular]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46950&oldid=46948 * Occular * (-82) Blanked the page 16:39:06 [wiki] [[User:Occular]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46951 * Occular * (+82) Created page with "AlexH designed the following languages: * [[Nullary]] * [[Shatner]] * [[Hipster]]" 16:39:15 [wiki] [[Nullary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46952&oldid=46941 * Occular * (+5) 16:40:22 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:30:17 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:30:33 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:33:15 -!- Akaibu has joined. 17:34:54 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:45:09 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:47:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:00:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:01:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:07:55 b_jonas: Huh. cpressy favourited the repo with that language (laconic, iirc) in it 18:15:32 -!- Frooxius has joined. 18:24:52 -!- jefrite has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:28:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:31:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:35:24 -!- centrinia has joined. 18:36:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:45:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:50:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:52:16 <\oren\> why is c++ string missing search and replace? 18:52:41 \oren\: because it's hard to implement efficiently 18:53:09 and C and C++ tend to avoid making expensive operations easy to use, so as to prevent people using them by mistake 18:53:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:55:04 <\oren\> well thats partially why my company has its own string and array classes 18:56:26 <\oren\> poor standard libraries hinder interoperability by encouraging nih 18:58:47 <\oren\> now we have to write conversions between n different string classes 19:00:02 so why can't you write a search and replace /function/ that operates on std::strings? 19:00:08 rather than needing it to be a message? 19:00:11 *a method 19:00:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:03:27 <\oren\> not sure but i think the string class we have is also unicode aware and threadsafe... 19:03:36 unicode aware makes sense 19:03:54 threadsafe may or may not make sense depending on what you're doing, general-purpose threadsafety comes at quite a large performance cost 19:09:04 <\oren\> i wonder if the fact we compile everythong as c++ 98 has anything to do with it 19:15:50 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: brb). 19:16:57 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:17:02 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:17:27 -!- Melvar has joined. 19:18:45 @messages-lud 19:18:45 boily said 7h 27m 7s ago: you deserve a mapole thwack for that outrageous pun hth 19:18:45 boily said 7h 26m 53s ago: (pretty creative, though) 19:18:45 boily asked 7h 18m 27s ago: which was the actual hash you hashachafed shachaf with? 19:19:52 @tell boily Just break it if you want to know 19:19:52 Consider it noted. 19:25:56 Hm... 19:26:22 An image-based language where lossy compression doesn't completely ruin the program 19:31:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:33:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:35:31 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:43:49 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:46:11 plz allow me a bit of promotion - http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=576&p=30646#p30646 19:55:29 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:05:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:10:18 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:23:14 ais523: you want to scrutinize fowltalk? Tell me about how feather is way better etc https://bitbucket.org/fowlmouth/idk 20:24:06 do you have any docs? 20:24:17 None 20:24:18 I can't relaly figure out what's going on from code if it's spread over that many files 20:25:26 The VM is in interp.hpp 20:29:41 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:36:40 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 20:39:24 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:42:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:56:56 notfowl: I still can't figure out what's going on, but it at least doesn't look anything like Feather 20:57:11 in general, that project isn't in a state that you can really show to other people yet 20:58:59 I haven't written any docs and comments are equally sparse yes 21:15:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:27:01 Making a language with self-modifying syntax... 21:27:42 For golfing purposes 21:27:47 Advanced Golfing 21:28:25 One of the things that disappoints me in code golf is that all challenges are simple; I'd like to see codegolf with a challenge for a BIG thing, the kind of program that can't be in <100 characters in any modern languages 21:28:47 Then we'd have people making GolfScript extensions with GUI and such 21:28:51 And I'd be happy 21:29:52 Hm... 21:32:05 -!- tromp_ has joined. 21:34:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:35:25 I've done HTTP as a one-liner in bash, so... :) 21:36:57 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:39:10 -!- newsham has quit (Quit: leaving). 21:53:29 pikhq, how long wat the line though 21:54:24 Hantom_Hoover 21:55:10 haf 21:55:22 I think about 100 bytes; I'd have to find it to be sure though. 22:02:48 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 22:13:57 -!- moon_ has joined. 22:14:01 hia 22:26:38 @oeis 3035583 22:26:38 Sequence not found. 22:26:47 a pity 22:27:08 most of these Internet standards are qutie simple 22:27:11 (hi moon_ btw) 22:27:29 so HTTP as a bash oneliner is reasonable, it'd basically just be a case of parsing the URL and fitting it into a minimal request template, wouldn't it? 22:27:48 trying to handle things like redirects correctly (which would be needed to be spec-compliant) would probably make it somewhat longer though 22:28:28 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 22:39:00 what a day 22:56:01 -!- shikhin has changed nick to vehk. 22:56:04 -!- vehk has changed nick to shikhin. 22:59:28 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:02:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:02:37 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:06:32 <\oren\> the next version of neoletters will include non breaking snake characters 23:13:11 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:15:38 What is the most complicated, bloated machine we could make 23:15:45 \oren\: Good, I asked you if you were going to do that 23:16:00 That we can still get away with calling a "Calculator" 23:16:13 (in opposition to a "computer") 23:19:59 -!- idolbot has joined. 23:20:05 ok, it online 23:20:21 $help 23:20:22 moon_: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 23:20:35 moon_: Everybody can make their IRC bots work but me xD 23:20:40 ill set it up in the backround 23:20:41 $hi 23:20:41 hppavilion[1]: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. 23:20:42 lol 23:20:45 $test 23:20:45 hppavilion[1]: Error: "test" is not a valid command. 23:20:47 SO FAST 23:20:49 SO HAPPY 23:20:52 lol 23:20:53 $kill 23:20:54 hppavilion[1]: Error: "kill" is not a valid command. 23:20:57 ... 23:20:57 $hi 23:20:57 hppavilion[1]: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. 23:21:03 $crush 23:21:03 hppavilion[1]: Error: "crush" is not a valid command. 23:21:04 $commands 23:21:05 moon_: Error: "commands" is not a valid command. 23:21:05 $kill 23:21:07 hppavilion[1]: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. 23:21:07 $command 23:21:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:21:09 moon_: Error: "command" is not a valid command. 23:21:10 $destroy 23:21:18 ... 23:21:19 huh 23:21:21 moon_: srsly. 23:21:36 i didnt write the whole thing :P 23:21:42 moon_: Did you make idolbot, or is it something from GitH- Ah, OK 23:21:45 i never added that one 23:22:29 its github, i wrote in some code to patch some problems 23:22:36 im too lazy to make one myself 23:22:40 im working on it still 23:24:24 $unignore 23:24:25 moon_: Error: "unignore" is not a valid command. 23:24:31 ... 23:24:36 ill edit out the ignore thing 23:24:51 $exit 23:24:51 moon_: Error: "exit" is not a valid command. 23:24:55 $end 23:24:56 moon_: Error: "end" is not a valid command. 23:25:04 -!- idolbot has quit (Quit: Ctrl-C at console.). 23:29:52 -!- ybden has changed nick to FireFal. 23:31:12 -!- FireFal has changed nick to ybden. 23:33:06 Shift, Control, Alt, Super, Mega, Ultima, Uber, Meta, Escape, AltGr, F[1-9a-fA-F], Fn, Hm... 23:33:22 Imagine a computer where the keyboard literally translated to ASM instructions at runtime... 23:33:53 lol 23:34:12 moon_: Not lol 23:34:17 moon_: Actual serious business 23:34:22 now I want to know what sort of keyboard has an Ultima modifier 23:34:28 hppavilion[1], https://github.com/yrp604/rappel 23:35:27 ais523: The Doctor Keyboard? 23:35:31 also, hppa, im basically using this bot as a framework to build a good one off of 23:36:22 Phantom_Hoover: Not quite 23:36:43 Phantom_Hoover: In this, key (combinations) would literally map directly to short ASM macro blocks 23:36:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:37:33 hppavilion[1], explain how you think this would work 23:37:38 (ctrl, alt, fn, shift, and the arrow keys map to a second byte that modifies the first byte) 23:38:01 (starting with why you think assembly is ever executed by anything) 23:38:16 Phantom_Hoover: Well obviously, it wouldn't be executing assembly 23:38:20 first off, brainfuck interpreter 23:38:22 Phantom_Hoover: But I'm talking from the programmer POV 23:38:53 Phantom_Hoover: Well, the OS, on boot, generates a table in RAM that holds pointers to short executables 23:38:55 what are 'short ASM macro blocks' 23:39:04 `coins 23:39:09 Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, that wasn't the best phrasing 23:39:20 Phantom_Hoover: "macro" as in keyboard macro, I guess 23:39:27 what about just having alt/meta toggle bit 7, ctrl toggle bit 6, shift toggle bit 5 23:39:28 Phantom_Hoover: "block" as in "block of code" 23:39:44 I like this approach because it is temptingly similar to the way ASCII actually works, yet different enough to throw you if you try to use it in practice 23:39:49 so a system where code is executed in response to user input? 23:39:50 ais523: Because there are more than 64 keys, IIRC? 23:39:55 Phantom_Hoover: ...yes? 23:40:03 hppavilion[1]: right, there are some duplicates if you use that system 23:40:04 Phantom_Hoover: You hit a key and it directly executes a program 23:40:14 No output. 23:40:14 however you will also need keys for triggering inputs and the like 23:40:17 *interrupts 23:40:23 Phantom_Hoover: (or key combination, in theory) 23:40:32 lik ais523 is probably trying to explain, you can't actually do that 23:40:33 HackEgo: what! 23:40:35 `coins 23:40:38 Phantom_Hoover: Why not? 23:40:56 you need pretty sophisticated code to actually read from the keyboard 23:41:02 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, I know 23:41:11 well if you're being really eso 23:41:21 suppose you have a CPU that can handle dc on the clock line 23:41:23 Phantom_Hoover: I know firsthand how much of a PITA keyboard input is 23:41:26 No output. 23:41:26 (most modern ones can't but there are ones that can) 23:41:37 Phantom_Hoover: This is specifically for an esoteric processor or emulator 23:41:43 then you take the keyboard controller input, and intentionally misconnect it to the clock line rather than the interrupt controller 23:41:51 ais523, well you could do the SNES code injection thing where you jump into a DMA input buffer 23:42:00 Phantom_Hoover: that was my first thought 23:42:03 And the best part is that it's a state machine; hitting "a" might update the jump table 23:42:04 but manual clocking is funnier 23:42:06 but obviously that doesn't work on any system that doesn't use DMA input buffers 23:42:28 (or, more accurately, change the pointer to the jump table) 23:42:47 hppavilion[1], it seems like it'd be very easy to just implement a non-eso system on top of this 23:42:52 Phantom_Hoover: Yes 23:43:01 Phantom_Hoover: But it'd also be easy to implement an eso system on top of it 23:43:11 actually you might want to look at skullcode 23:43:28 unwinding the way it does I/O has been, uh, interesting 23:43:50 Phantom_Hoover: I don't get it 23:44:01 Phantom_Hoover: Oh, that's the point 23:44:17 do you know what skullcode actually is 23:44:42 -!- cripotos has joined. 23:44:44 huh, apparnetly underclocking is a thing 23:44:48 just like overclocking is 23:44:51 I went and looked it up 23:44:54 hei 23:45:00 are you all americanos 23:45:09 cripotos, no 23:45:19 versteht ihr deutsch? 23:45:24 but we do mostly speak english 23:45:45 ais523, mostly used for badly-written old software that's tied to the clock speed, right? 23:45:47 seid ihr europäer? 23:45:49 hmm, I wonder how many guesses it would take to guess which country Phantom_Hoover is from, with the knowledge that English is a native language for him 23:46:10 it's a trivial binary search obv. 23:46:11 english is a simple language 23:46:18 Phantom_Hoover: apparently it's mostly used for extending laptop battery life, and to reduce heat dissipation 23:46:41 ais523: What about me? I'm told that English is the first language I spoke. 23:47:05 well your name's a pretty big clue 23:47:08 seid ihr alles esoteriker? 23:47:45 Phantom_Hoover: so's yours hth 23:48:14 in how many countries is "hoover" the standard name for a vacuum cleaner? 23:48:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:48:29 I've never heard it used in this country. 23:48:37 only in USA 23:48:47 well, that's me pinned down 23:48:48 That's the one I'm talking about. Never heard it. 23:49:05 in europe the synoym of vacuum cleaner is dyson 23:49:17 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:49:20 yeah, in europe everyone calls a dyson a vacuum 23:49:25 er, a vacuum a dyson 23:49:27 hmm, so this website tried to run a 1 GHz CPU at 100 MHz and it failed, but 600 MHz succeeded 23:49:44 hoover is a to old brand 23:49:48 this disappoints the electronic engineer in me 23:49:56 from the 1920ies 23:49:56 despite dyson only entering the vacuum cleaner market in the 90s 23:50:01 I'm guessing it's somehow related to DRAM/capacitors 23:50:10 cripotos, are you trolling or are you actually this dense 23:50:23 i am a free mind 23:50:35 i only löl a little bit 23:50:43 would you described yourself as locked or unlocked from the matrix of solidity 23:50:52 `willkommen cripotos 23:50:55 cripotos: Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! 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(Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf EFnet oder DALnet.) 23:50:59 the matrix does not exist 23:51:20 i beliebe in the theories of rudolf steiner 23:51:21 bold statements on the fringe of matrix theory here 23:51:24 believe 23:51:52 what interesting properties do matrices of imaginary numbers have? 23:51:54 my guess is not many 23:52:03 the athroposophic super hero 23:52:09 ais523 are you trolling now as well 23:52:09 rudolf steiner 23:52:18 "At the beginning of the twentieth century, he founded an esoteric spiritual movement, anthroposophy..." 23:52:21 not being closed under multiplication is something of a dealbreaker 23:52:24 Phantom_Hoover: it can be hard to tell 23:52:29 cripotos: you have the wrong channel. 23:52:33 bingo int e 23:52:33 oh you mean imaginary as in a*i 23:52:38 Phantom_Hoover: yes 23:52:41 thats right 23:52:44 there aren't many other sorts of imaginary numbers 23:53:15 cripotos, you ever read anything by michael kirkbride 23:53:35 michael jackson? 23:53:37 ais523, well you sort of assume people actually mean 'complex' because the pure imaginaries are quite pointless 23:53:52 cripotos, well did you ever read anything by michael jackson? 23:53:54 Phantom_Hoover: i haven't read anything by banks yet 23:53:55 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:54:10 yes 23:54:10 shachaf, oh come on you've had plenty of time 23:54:10 Phantom_Hoover: how could they be pointless when there's a whole line of them... 23:54:18 true 23:54:22 i've read some other books, though 23:54:29 and i still don't know which banks book to read 23:54:41 if you name one book i'll put it on my to-order list 23:54:48 player of games first 23:54:49 are you from saudi arabia 23:54:57 sharaf al ashraf? 23:55:00 use of weapons second, and it's the best in the series 23:55:21 cripotos, i'll only tell you if you divulge the methods by which you made the guess 23:55:31 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 23:55:51 i search german speaking slumber mothersa 23:55:57 schlummtermutter 23:56:01 moderne hexen 23:56:34 are you all europeans? 23:56:41 well, I'm going to take a guess and say that cripotos is from Switzerland 23:56:51 aah ais 23:56:53 Phantom_Hoover: what about consider phlebas 23:56:58 you have special fähigkeiten 23:57:04 you know me? 23:57:09 consider phlebas is kind of weird and not representative of the series 23:57:14 are you Tara? 23:57:20 I'm not European, personally. 23:57:21 cripotos: actually no, I checked what timezone you were in and geolocated your IP 23:57:26 the reincarnation of Tara? 23:57:32 trying to guess the city like that is fraught with confusion 23:57:37 but you can make a good guess as to the country 23:57:57 the city i wohn 23:58:02 is a small city 23:58:08 nobody cares 23:58:10 medieval city 23:58:38 fungot: help! 23:58:39 int-e: summer fun deal." ?utilities routinely, these " black-outs" occur around the world properties. la fragmentation and increase the price. 23:58:41 with history 23:58:44 seriously, though, this conversation is all well and good, but you're in the wrong channel and it's offtopic 23:59:04 who reach bis to the römerzeit 23:59:06 so you're probably better off going to a more appropriate channel (we suggested some in the welcome message) 23:59:51 turkey is a dangerous country 23:59:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 2016-05-06: 00:00:20 oerjan, are you from schweden? 00:00:40 ais here is a esoteric channell 00:00:51 or is this channel 00:00:55 `? welcome 00:00:56 Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 00:00:57 only schall und rauch? 00:00:58 cripotos: norway actually 00:01:11 this channel is about esoteric programming languages. 00:01:11 dann sprichst du deutsch? 00:01:13 oerjan? 00:01:43 what is esoteric programming? 00:02:03 it's programming for which being useful isn't something you care about 00:02:05 a term of the informatic world? 00:02:25 yes, informatics/computer science 00:02:40 ich bin enttäuscht 00:02:44 alles n bschiss 00:02:46 ais523: hi did you see aaronson's blog post yet, you were indirectly mentioned 00:02:52 oerjan: yes 00:02:57 ihr seid gar keine esoteriker? 00:03:04 apparently this is the fourth time it's been mentioned in this channel (me mentioning it was the third) 00:03:13 cripotos: what tipped you off? 00:03:23 das ist n bschiss 00:03:29 oerjan: it's inspired a golfing competition in the comments; I approve 00:03:30 ais523: i _think_ i first neener neener 00:03:33 seid ihr informatikgurus? 00:03:33 *i was 00:03:59 ais523: yeah. i'm still reading those. 00:03:59 aaronson is a jüdischer name 00:04:11 the son of aaron 00:04:15 do you have ideas about good algorithms for a 2-symbol Turing machine that searches for Goldbach conjecture counterexamples (aiming to minimize the number of states)? 00:04:23 cripotos: yes, scott aaronson is pretty definitely jewish 00:04:25 I've been thinking about the problem myself but there are so many ways you could go 00:04:35 (also I feel that fractran would be a better language for this sort of thing than TMs) 00:04:35 oerjan klär mich auf 00:04:40 was für leute seid ihr? 00:04:47 informatiktypen? 00:05:07 yes, yes, computer science... 00:05:13 oooh man 00:05:14 mann 00:05:22 ich bin enttäuscht 00:05:31 cripotos: informatikgurus ist korrekt 00:05:49 und wieso nennt ihr euch esoteric? 00:05:50 for what it's worth, we're disappointet too 00:06:19 (uh, the finishing t is a nice touch... unintentional though) 00:06:56 because we're discussing programming languages that hardly anyone cares about 00:06:59 -!- idolbot has joined. 00:07:11 $bf 00:07:12 moon_: Error: "bf" is not a valid command. 00:07:15 ... 00:07:17 cripotos: wie Hackego hat gesagt, EFNet hat ein #esoteric, dass vielleicht dir mehr gefällt. 00:07:18 hi idolbot! 00:07:22 ihr könnt machen was ihr wollt 00:07:25 mir ist das wurst 00:07:27 * ais523 refuses to portmanteau that even though it's obvious 00:07:29 how you'd do it 00:07:31 *needs it to load the bf plugin, it ignores me* 00:07:33 ihr könnt hacken, programmieren 00:07:42 interessiert mich nen alten hut 00:07:50 ich suche urweibliche 00:07:55 übermütter 00:08:09 "overmother"? 00:08:15 ja 00:08:22 urweibliche sexbomben 00:08:28 mit hypnoaugen 00:08:35 is this some sort of insul that I don't understand because my German isn't good enough? 00:08:38 *insult 00:08:49 cripotos: versuch das #esoteric auf EFNet 00:08:55 no its a definition of a super woman 00:08:57 ais523: I've pondered it for 5 minutes, without concrete ideas. But there's no reason why it shouldn't be doable in perhaps 100 states. 00:09:07 int-e: I believe the current record's around 80 00:09:28 but it seems to be tedious 00:09:31 -!- idolbot has quit (Client Quit). 00:09:32 (the original aaronson article had a solution with something like 5000, which the comments correctly identified as excessive) 00:09:50 yeah, 4888 is the number in the paper 00:09:58 efnet 00:10:00 schlimm 00:10:13 dort treiben sich kriminelle um 00:11:28 ciao leute 00:11:30 machts gut 00:11:33 was auch immer 00:11:50 -!- cripotos has quit (Quit: Page closed). 00:13:21 am I evil for not replying in german? 00:13:28 int-e: yes hth 00:13:33 -!- idolbot has joined. 00:13:40 int-e: no hth 00:13:57 glad that's settled then 00:14:01 int-e: (NULL = NULL) hth 00:14:13 -!- Kaynato has joined. 00:14:21 Hey, let me tell y'all about Oracle. 00:14:27 int-e: if only because it hurts my brain to do it instead 00:14:59 * oerjan forgot too many words, not to mention genders 00:15:20 Here's an Oracle SQL problem: Given two character string values x and y, come up with a boolean expression which is true if the values are equal, false if they are not. 00:15:42 There are two good ways of doing this. 00:16:01 $brainfuck +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++o 00:16:01 moon_: Error: "brainfuck" is not a valid command. 00:16:02 Solution 1: (x IS NOT NULL AND y IS NOT NULL AND x = y) OR (x IS NULL AND y IS NULL) 00:16:22 Solution 2: (x || '.') = (y || '.') 00:17:53 and the punchline? 00:18:44 tswett: what does || do? defined-or? 00:18:58 so NULL equals '.' now? 00:20:12 $Brainfuck 00:20:13 moon_: Error: "Brainfuck" is not a valid command. 00:20:18 $help Brainfuck 00:20:18 moon_: Error: There is no command "brainfuck". 00:20:21 $help brainfuck 00:20:22 moon_: Error: There is no command "brainfuck". 00:20:25 $help bf 00:20:25 moon_: Error: There is no command "bf". 00:20:35 *is mad and not thinking* 00:20:41 ais523: string concatenation. 00:20:53 ah it doesn't. 00:21:25 $plugin help Brainfuck 00:21:26 moon_: Error: "plugin" is not a valid command. 00:21:28 doesn't NULL = NULL evaluate to NULL, though? and I'd expect concatenating to NULL to also give NULL 00:21:38 athough as it's oracle sql it might be weird in these respects 00:21:57 No, the concatenation operator treats NULL as the empty string. 00:22:05 This is because Oracle doesn't actually have the empty string. 00:22:28 are '' and NULL synonyms in string columns? 00:22:31 that seems very broken to me 00:22:40 They are synonyms, yes. 00:23:35 '' isn't the empty string, it's NULL. 00:23:41 so, say, '' = 'foo' evaluates to NULL? 00:23:56 this is PHP/JavaScript levels of broken :-) 00:24:52 oh great. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/203493/why-does-oracle-9i-treat-an-empty-string-as-null 00:25:25 It does, yes. 00:26:51 is this some sort of insul that I don't understand because my German isn't good enough? <-- i'm going to assume e was alluding to some kind of matriarchal esoteric fertility cult. 00:29:25 So, I have a question! 00:29:33 -!- boily has joined. 00:29:35 This semigroup presentation has undecidable equality: ac = ca; ad = da; bc = cb; bd = db; ce = eca; de = edb; cca = ccae 00:29:36 Why? 00:29:55 oerjan: yeah he was polite; the most impolite word was "b[e]schiss", something like a ripoff. 00:30:12 *is mad and not thinking* <-- bad combination. btw have you tried the /me irc command? 00:30:13 helloily 00:30:21 Notice that all rules preserve the subsequence which consists of only the "c"s and "d"s. 00:30:22 how was work 00:30:41 And "a" and "b" commute with "c" and "d". "e" doesn't commute with either. 00:31:23 oerjan: I also think you got the gist of what [s]he(oh the e was intentional) wrote there right... and it didn't make more sense in german either. 00:32:34 quinthellopia. braindrain. 00:32:42 @massages-loud 00:32:42 hppavilion[1] said 5h 12m 50s ago: Just break it if you want to know 00:32:46 oh 00:32:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:33:07 quintopia: how's the starbucksing? 00:33:32 april is over 00:33:32 Why? <-- wild guess would be "you can encode a TM in that" hth 00:33:39 today was walk far day 00:33:44 tnos 00:33:45 -!- idolbot has quit (Quit: Ctrl-C at console.). 00:34:08 tswellottnos. 00:34:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:34:40 lhoily (now i'm _really_ wondering if i've lost count) 00:34:47 `? red canada 00:35:01 red canada? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:35:19 ok, brainfuck might work no 00:35:26 -!- idolbot has joined. 00:35:30 $brainfuck 00:35:31 moon_: Error: "brainfuck" is not a valid command. 00:35:34 fuuuuuuu 00:36:54 moon_: WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BF INTERPRETER IN THIS CHANNEL. HTH. 00:37:29 boily: HackEgo lacks an entry on the above 00:37:34 i get that, im trying to figure out the plugin frameork, then ill do something ne 00:37:35 `? brainfuck 00:37:38 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 00:37:41 moon_: Ah, OK 00:37:48 moon_: Why not write a ciol interpreter or something though? 00:37:49 HackEgo: :D 00:38:06 (what is integral again?) 00:38:19 Area under the curve? 00:38:26 tswett: I remember that 00:38:31 tswett: But what's the joke? 00:38:46 tswett: What is the domain of the function where the codomain is Terrible Esolangs used there? 00:38:51 `bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 00:38:53 No output. 00:38:56 `` bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 00:38:57 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: mklang: command not found 00:39:02 Oh, right 00:39:04 `` bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" 00:39:07 No output. 00:39:07 quintopia: how's the starbucksing? <-- * sudden nostalgic flashback to seattle (not a starbucks, but a small coffee shop right by the university) as well as to when his stomach actually could drink mocha lattes... 00:39:12 Oh, right again 00:39:43 hppavilion[1]: I don't know what "integral of the family of terrible esolangs" could mean. 00:40:02 tswett: Does "family" have a mathematical definitication? 00:40:12 hppavilion[1]: hppavellon[1]. Canada doesn't exist, so it being red is preposterous hth 00:40:16 Sometimes. 00:40:21 Often, "family" just means "set". 00:40:24 oerjan: you seattled? 00:40:27 boily: Ah 00:40:36 Whoops 00:40:40 tswett* 00:40:47 Ah ah ah. 00:40:48 $reload 00:40:48 moon_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 00:40:49 tswett: Or type, I suppose 00:40:53 *sigh* 00:40:59 moon_: MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 00:41:03 i need to fix that, too 00:41:07 $whoami 00:41:07 hppavilion[1]: I don't recognize you. 00:41:11 $whoismoon_ 00:41:11 hppavilion[1]: Error: "whoismoon_" is not a valid command. 00:41:17 we have a new bot? 00:41:21 mhm 00:41:22 mine 00:41:26 boily: Yes 00:41:33 boily: But it doesn't do anything new, it seems 00:41:33 idolbot: fnord? 00:41:33 boily: Error: "fnord?" is not a valid command. 00:41:33 "Type" doesn't have a standard definition. 00:41:43 tswett: Um, type theory? 00:41:54 Yeah, but there's no one single standard type theory. 00:41:55 hppa, the bot itself is new, dumbo 00:41:58 boily: It ignores you if you enter too many incorrect commands 00:42:00 tswett: Oh, right 00:42:06 i removed that hppa 00:42:07 "Type" means "whatever 'type' means in the type theory you're using". 00:42:07 moon_: Well yeah 00:42:10 moon_: Oh, good 00:42:16 moon_: What do you plan to make it do? 00:42:22 well, really, set the limit absurdly high so nly a spambot can get that 00:42:28 moon_: Ah 00:42:50 moon_: I think spambots usually don't send 1000 mps 00:43:01 120 mps 00:43:08 moon_: Ah 00:43:12 120 mpm actually 00:43:23 no-one is gonna reach that without special care 00:43:27 -!- ybden has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:43:56 moon_: So what will the bot do? 00:44:03 moon_: Oooh! Add votey polls! 00:44:07 depends 00:44:10 maybe.. 00:44:32 i was thinking maybe something to keep us !bored when there is nothing to do lol 00:44:36 moon_: Wait, but then when it gets turned off we'll all be sad... 00:44:49 yea 00:44:53 i cant run it all night 00:47:05 -!- idolbot has quit (Quit: Ctrl-C at console.). 00:47:55 fungot: do you fnord, unless that weird uncommandable bot? 00:47:55 boily: out of the spread the wealth of power and the service of the appropriate. 332163 counterparty. nelson learned that the ect legal dept. of the possible use of inside of that spread leaves plenty of time you have questions. 00:48:00 s/unless/not like/ 00:49:14 -!- idolbot has joined. 00:49:19 plz allow me a bit of promotion - http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=576&p=30646#p30646 <-- congrats! 00:49:20 $unignore 00:49:20 moon_: Error: "unignore" is not a valid command. 00:49:36 $reload 00:49:37 moon_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 00:50:25 $help 00:50:25 moon_: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 00:51:01 -!- idolbot has quit (Client Quit). 00:51:04 (what is integral again?) <-- in calculus, integral is the inverse operation of derivative, hth 00:51:28 -!- idolbot has joined. 00:51:30 $enable 00:51:31 moon_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 00:51:52 I should set up a VPS that I can use to give shell accounts to people. 00:52:12 shell accounts for what? 00:52:14 oerjan, bad paedagogy! 00:52:18 because that sounds nice 00:52:31 Linux shell accounts. For them to use for whatever they want, I guess. 00:52:40 do it :P 00:52:54 integral is the area under the curve! 00:53:02 i would donate if i could, cauz im lazy 00:53:18 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:53:46 oerjan: you seattled? <-- spring 1996 00:53:50 -!- idolbot has quit (Client Quit). 00:54:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:54:10 -!- idolbot has joined. 00:54:16 $reload 00:54:17 moon_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 00:54:18 Ah ah ah. <-- keeping count? 00:56:07 you know what 00:56:16 im going to just write one from scratch 00:56:54 im tired of setting up my plugins 00:57:14 There have got to be IRC libraries to use, right? 00:57:30 mhm 00:57:45 Ah ah ah. <-- keeping count? <-- obviously. 00:59:11 im definintly using a bit of ciol in it as well 00:59:25 (intepretation for custom commands) 01:02:05 `? flag of #esoteric 01:02:33 flag of #esoteric? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:02:35 `? #esoteric flag 01:02:38 ​#esoteric flag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:02:51 `? flag 01:02:52 flag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:03:01 `ls wisdom/*flag 01:03:05 ls: cannot access wisdom/*flag: No such file or directory 01:03:09 Wait 01:03:15 `` echo wisdom/*flag* 01:03:20 wisdom/disflagrate wisdom/flagpole 01:03:25 `? disflagrate 01:03:27 disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. 01:03:34 `? szoup 01:03:38 A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. 01:03:46 Of course. 01:04:03 `echo wisdom/*#esoteric* 01:04:05 wisdom/*#esoteric* 01:04:20 `` echo wisdom/*#esoteric* 01:04:22 wisdom/#esoteric 01:04:42 At first I wondered why it dropped the asterisks... 01:04:42 `? #esoteric 01:04:44 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. 01:04:48 The answer is it didn't. 01:05:03 tswett: I remember defining the #esoteric flag 01:05:11 `` grep wisdom color 01:05:12 oerjan, bad paedagogy! <-- how are _you_ going to explain the `? brainfuck joke then? 01:05:13 grep: color: No such file or directory 01:05:22 * hppavilion[1] goes and learns grep 01:05:45 @tell Phantom_Hoover oerjan, bad paedagogy! <-- how are _you_ going to explain the `? brainfuck joke then? 01:05:45 Consider it noted. 01:05:50 `` grep -r color wisdom 01:05:56 tswett: Thank you 01:06:01 wisdom/oregon:Oregon is the home of Oregano. Gregor used to take care of the color scheme, but then he left. \ wisdom/bleen:bleen is the color of the ocean and the trees \ wisdom/piet:Piet is a really colorful programming language. \ wisdom/cube:Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. The companion cube doe 01:06:25 `? cube 01:06:29 `` grep -rl color wisdom 01:06:31 how was the color done? 01:06:32 Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. The companion cube does not speak, however. 01:06:33 wisdom/oregon \ wisdom/bleen \ wisdom/piet \ wisdom/cube \ wisdom/blæg \ wisdom/octarine 01:06:47 `? wisdom/blæg 01:06:48 wisdom/blæg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:06:52 Wait 01:06:59 `? blæg 01:07:01 moon_: mIRC color codes. Most IRC clients treat byte 3 as indicating color stuff. 01:07:01 blaeg is a color that cannot exist under the current understanding of physics. It is used on the #esoteric flag, along with ultraviolet and whatever is convenient. It is a nullary color, meaning that it can be mixed with itself to produce the primary colors. 01:08:11 `? ciol 01:08:13 ciol ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:09:00 tswett: byte 3? Huh? 01:09:08 `learn ciol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy collegues by making a programming lanugage that has insults as commands 01:09:11 A byte is a number from 0 to 255. 01:09:16 Learned 'ciol': ciol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy collegues by making a programming lanugage that has insults as commands 01:09:17 3 is one of those numbers. 01:09:29 tswett: Ooooh 01:09:43 tswett: So a 0x03 followed by a modifier changes color? 01:09:59 Byte 3 is also known as 0x03, "ETX", and the Ctrl-C byte. 01:10:03 tswett: See "byte 3" sounds like "the third byte in a bytearray" 01:10:08 Yeah. A 0x03 followed by one or two decimal digits. 01:10:20 Optionally followed by a comma and one or two more decimal digits. 01:10:38 12 01:10:47 also 01:10:53 read the ciol one :P 01:11:06 `sedlast s/colleg/colleag/ 01:11:15 *actually true* 01:11:21 No output. 01:11:39 wait, is that right 01:11:47 TIL there's something somewhere in Ubuntu that puts stuff you rm in the trash, even if you `rm -rf`ed it. 01:11:47 `? ciol 01:11:49 ciol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy colleagues by making a programming lanugage that has insults as commands 01:11:52 yep 01:12:00 boily: ...wut 01:12:04 `sedlast s/$/./ 01:12:07 hppavilion[1]: yup. wut. 01:12:12 No output. 01:12:22 suddenly freed >100 GB on my hard drive. 01:12:28 `sedlast s/./$/ 01:12:36 hppavilion[1]: what 01:12:40 ... 01:12:40 boily: WUT. 01:12:41 How does that work? Is it just a different version of "rm"? Or does it give things a different libc or whatever? 01:12:54 `? ciol 01:12:55 ciol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy colleagues by making a programming lanugage that has insults as commands. 01:13:01 `cat bin/sedlast 01:13:02 sed -i "$1" "$(lastfiles)" 01:13:07 Oh, I thought hppavilion[1] had actually done it. 01:13:10 `cat bin/lastfiles 01:13:11 hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" 01:13:21 tswett: No, you will notice that HackEgo didn't say anything 01:13:34 tswett: And that the message has a leeding space 01:13:35 And there's a space at the beginning of your message. 01:13:49 Did you mean: And that the message has a bleeding space 01:14:02 how would i color something red then? 01:14:15 uknow, in chat 01:14:25 moon_: With your IMAGINATION 01:14:29 ... 01:14:30 `rainbow 01:14:31 hppavilion[1]: or maybe I'm confused. do not heed anything I write tonight as untarnished truth. 01:14:38 With byte 3 followed by "04". 01:14:41 `mkx bin/sedlast files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; cat "$files" 01:14:45 oops 01:14:47 ff 01:14:58 how would i give that to hackego? 01:14:58 Hey, I wonder if that one command is still there... 01:15:01 `loudly This one. 01:15:32 No output. 01:15:33 someone froze ego 01:15:35 bin/sedlast files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files 01:15:36 ​This one. 01:15:43 moon_: hppavilion[1] i think 01:15:51 This one. 01:15:52 `grepgrep 01:15:53 huh 01:15:54 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: grepgrep: not found 01:15:56 `run echo -e '\000304Will this be red?' 01:15:57 ​Will this be red? 01:15:57 `mkx bin/sedlast//files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; cat "$files" 01:15:59 `kgrep 01:16:00 bin/sedlast 01:16:01 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: kgrep: not found 01:16:28 I'm kind of surprised that nobody's deleted the `loudly command. 01:16:32 `loudly IT'S SO ANNOYING. 01:16:34 ​IT'S SO ANNOYING. 01:16:39 new rule: if you make new commands after someone has made an error, except to correct that error, you get banned 01:16:56 iGrep 01:17:10 `loudly Also it cuts off whatever it is that you're saying after a relatively small number of characters, since the color codes for this are pretty verbose and IRC doesn't have that long a limit. 01:17:12 ​Also it cuts off whatever it is that you're sayin, 01:17:16 because reverting things is really annoying when two people are doing things simultaneously 01:17:26 `cat bin/sedlast 01:17:27 files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; cat "$files" 01:17:32 `lastfiles 01:17:34 erro 01:17:50 who the hell made erro 01:18:06 `erro 01:18:07 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: erro: not found 01:18:12 `cat erro 01:18:14 echo \000304 01:19:04 *sigh* i'm going to have to look at the repository again, don't i 01:19:16 `blame erro 01:19:16 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blame: not found 01:19:17 oerjan: Looks like it was tswett or automated 01:19:38 `blame tswett 01:19:40 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blame: not found 01:19:42 `help 01:19:42 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 01:19:51 `` blame tswett > oerjan 01:19:52 I coulda sworn we had `blame. 01:19:56 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: blame: command not found 01:20:08 `complain there is no blame. 01:20:13 Complaint filed. Thank you. 01:20:21 `run echo -e '\000305Will this be put into erro?' 01:20:30 ​Will this be put into erro? 01:20:32 `cat erro 01:20:34 cat: erro: No such file or directory 01:20:52 `cat emoticons/shrug 01:20:53 ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:21:15 `ls emotipros 01:21:16 ls: cannot access emotipros: No such file or directory 01:22:02 `erro test 01:22:04 ​ test 01:22:50 `blame tswett 01:22:52 ​/hackenv/bin/blame: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/blame: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file 01:23:02 `culprits erro 01:23:08 you forgot that idiots 01:23:10 moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ 01:23:14 Oooooh. 01:23:16 *laugh* 01:23:17 `culprits tswett 01:23:21 No output. 01:23:30 `blame tswett 01:23:31 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:23:32 Who are "No" and "output"? 01:23:46 `blame the demonic duck 01:23:47 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:23:55 I wasn't expecting that. 01:24:09 `culprits blame 01:24:14 No output. 01:24:20 `culprits bin/blame 01:24:25 hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] 01:24:32 hp! lol 01:24:40 `cat bin/blame 01:24:41 echo "It was tswett's fault! Punish them!" 01:25:06 * hppavilion[1] laughs hysterically 01:25:08 `mkx bin/blame//echo it was "$1"'s fault! Punish them! 01:25:12 bin/blame 01:25:15 `blame moon 01:25:17 ​/hackenv/bin/blame: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/blame: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file 01:25:19 moon_: -_- 01:25:29 `mkx bin/blame//echo it was "$1"s fault! Punish them! 01:25:32 bin/blame 01:25:33 `blame moon 01:25:35 it was moons fault! Punish them! 01:25:35 moon_: It's the ! 01:25:51 `mkx bin/blame//echo it was "$1"\'s fault! Punish them! 01:25:57 bin/blame 01:26:01 `blame hppavilion[1] 01:26:02 `blame the Nazis 01:26:03 it was hppavilion[1] 's fault! Punish them! 01:26:03 it was the Nazis's fault! Punish them! 01:26:12 moon_: Stahp 01:26:21 `mkx bin/blame//echo It was "$1"\'s fault! Punish them! 01:26:23 bin/blame 01:26:33 tswett: :,( 01:26:35 now we have blame 01:26:38 So if you want to blame the person you're talking to, it's... 01:26:40 `blame you 01:26:41 It was you's fault! Punish them! 01:26:41 Put it somewhere else 01:26:54 Somewhere besides bin/blame? 01:26:59 `mv bin/blame bin/blame2 01:27:01 mv: missing destination file operand after `bin/blame bin/blame2' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 01:27:01 ehhhhh.... no 01:27:08 `` mv bin/blame bin/blame2 01:27:12 No output. 01:27:19 that makes it clunky 01:27:28 moon_: The tswett joke is so funny though 01:27:29 *shall change it back in due time* 01:27:44 `blame anyone but tswett 01:27:44 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:27:56 Yo pongo los votos sólo por hppavilion[1]. 01:28:05 put the tswett joke in blame2 01:28:06 Los otros son locos—yo los conozco. 01:28:09 moon_: No 01:28:20 moon_: If it's in normal blame, then people will be surprised by it 01:28:21 *will ignore* 01:28:27 oh, loltrue 01:28:40 moon_: They'll `blame someone other than tswett, and it will say tswett instead 01:28:55 moon_: They'll be confused initially, then they'll `cat bin/blame and start laughing 01:29:00 `ls 01:29:02 ​:-( \ !\.´ \ 99 \ 99bb \ advice \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ oerjan \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share \ So 01:29:21 `cat karma 01:29:22 oren now has 1 karma. 01:29:31 `` cat karma | wc 01:29:33 ​ 1 5 22 01:29:43 `` cat karma | shuf 01:29:44 oren now has 1 karma. 01:29:52 `cat bin/wisdom 01:29:55 F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 01:29:59 `` cat karma | shuf -n1 01:30:00 oren now has 1 karma. 01:30:02 `` cat karma | shuf -n1 01:30:05 oren now has 1 karma. 01:30:09 Hm... 01:30:36 `` wc -l karma 01:30:38 1 karma 01:30:45 *shall change it back in due time* <-- seriously, learn to use /me 01:30:58 * hppavilion[1] teaches moon_ to use /me 01:31:02 moon_: /me 01:31:10 * hppavilion[1] has completed moon_'s training 01:31:18 /me pretends to try and fail to use the /me command. 01:31:23 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:31:53 `` rm -v bin/"sedlast "* 01:31:56 removed `bin/sedlast files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files' 01:32:13 -!- Akaibu has joined. 01:32:16 `? ciol 01:32:18 ciol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy colleagues by making a programming lanugage that has insults as commands. 01:32:27 -!- Moon__ has joined. 01:32:32 `checkkarma 01:32:33 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: checkkarma: not found 01:32:39 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:32:40 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:32:44 `` sed -i 's/lanug/langu/' wisdom/ciol 01:32:47 No output. 01:32:54 `sedlast s/././ 01:33:05 wisdom/ciol//.iol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy colleagues by making a programming language that has insults as commands. 01:33:09 oops 01:33:14 `sedlast s/./c/ 01:33:22 `mkx bin/getkarma//grep "$1" ../karma 01:33:27 congratulate//ccho congratulations Moon_, you are the ruler of the chat! 01:33:27 NOOOO 01:33:31 bin/getkarma 01:34:01 shachaf: `sedlast is not safe against simultaneous editing :( 01:34:05 oerjan: Um, what just happened? 01:34:31 hppavilion[1]: what happens is that someone stealth edited congratulate while i was using sedlast 01:34:34 -!- idolbot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:34:39 oerjan: Ah 01:34:58 `sedlast must be burned, as it can never be safely used. 01:34:58 `` sed -i 's/./e/' congratulate 01:35:00 `getkarma oren 01:35:14 tswett: ... 01:35:21 `burn bin/sedlast 01:35:26 No output. 01:35:27 grep: ../karma: No such file or directory 01:35:31 Huh? 01:35:40 sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `m' \ bin/congratulate2//echo congratulations "$1", you are the ruler of the chat! 01:35:41 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: burn: not found 01:35:44 `mkx bin/getkarma//grep "$1" karma 01:35:48 bin/getkarma 01:35:50 -!- idolbot has joined. 01:35:52 `getkarma oren 01:35:53 oren now has 1 karma. 01:36:04 `` sed -i 's/now //' karma 01:36:07 No output. 01:36:07 `rm bin/sedlast 01:36:11 No output. 01:36:18 ./congratulate hppavilion[1] 01:36:25 i honestly agree. 01:36:28 `congratulate hppavilion[1] 01:36:29 congratulations Moon_, you are the ruler of the chat! 01:36:38 Moon__: That was my joke :,( 01:36:47 honestly, i'd prefer if HackEgo did _not_ take private messages. 01:36:58 it's such an awful mess. 01:37:05 `congratulate2 hppavilion[1] 01:37:05 congratulations hppavilion[1] , you are the ruler of the chat! 01:37:17 oerjan: But that would have ruined my tswett joke earlier :/ 01:37:29 `? ciol 01:37:29 ^ 01:37:30 ​.iol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy colleagues by making a programming language that has insults as commands. 01:37:36 * boily overthroes hppavilion[1] from his reign 01:37:38 rly oerjan? 01:37:43 `` sed -i 's/./c/' wisdom/ciol 01:37:45 boily: I was about to abdicate :/ 01:37:47 No output. 01:37:50 `blame2 oerjan 01:37:51 It was oerjan 's fault! Punish them! 01:37:58 `blame tswett 01:37:59 Moon__: really what? 01:37:59 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:38:06 `rm bin/blame2 01:38:06 `blame oerjan 01:38:10 No output. 01:38:12 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:38:15 `revert 01:38:19 i recommend not annoying me any more at this point hth 01:38:22 Moon__: NO REVERT WARS 01:38:27 `de...vert? 01:38:30 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 01:38:31 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: de...vert?: not found 01:38:56 `cd home 01:38:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found 01:39:01 daw 01:39:04 Moon__: HackEgo isn't persistent 01:39:09 Moon__: cd doesn't work 01:39:16 `ac/dc 01:39:17 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/ac/dc: No such file or directory 01:40:16 `abdicate 01:40:17 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: abdicate: not found 01:40:34 `swat myself 01:40:35 ​---▦▦ bad myself 01:40:45 gg hackego (lol) 01:40:51 `start the_fire.exe 01:40:52 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: start: not found 01:41:28 `culprits bin/swat 01:41:36 moon__ moon__ moon__ moon__ moon__ elliott shachaf elliott shachaf elliott shachaf 01:41:52 `ls emoticons 01:41:53 drowning \ flipbird \ gaaan \ gaan \ kyaa \ shrug \ swatter \ useless 01:42:04 oerjan: fix it hth 01:42:05 `weapons 01:42:06 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: weapons: not found 01:42:10 `cat share/weapons 01:42:11 cat: share/weapons: No such file or directory 01:42:17 `grep -e weapons 01:42:28 (That was a fumbling guess) 01:42:30 `run cat emoticons/* 01:42:31 lol \ 凸 \ ｶﾞ~(ﾟﾛﾟ;)~ﾝ \ (°Д°) \ (≧∇≦)/ \ ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ ーー蟲蟲 \ オラオラオラ（三･o･）三☆三（｀ε´三）無駄無駄無駄無駄 01:42:34 `cd #i ant 01:42:35 ​ invalid command ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 01:42:48 No output. 01:42:52 ... 01:43:06 * oerjan gives up. 01:43:34 Moon__: Great, you made oerjan give up 01:43:37 `blame Moon__ 01:43:38 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:43:38 * Moon__ takes up from oerjan happily 01:44:27 Lemme do myself a favor... 01:44:44 `blame2 01:44:44 . 01:44:45 It was 's fault! Punish them! 01:45:37 ? 01:45:47 Lemme try to figure this out. 01:46:08 $brainfuck 01:46:09 Moon__: Error: "brainfuck" is not a valid command. 01:46:13 *cri* 01:46:20 $help Brainfuck 01:46:20 Moon__: Error: There is no command "brainfuck". 01:46:25 $help 01:46:26 Moon__: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 01:46:26 * hppavilion[1] 01:46:35 $help [Brainfuck] 01:46:35 Moon__: Error: "Brainfuck" is not a valid command. 01:46:43 `/b 01:46:46 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /b: No such file or directory 01:46:50 *criii* 01:46:59 $help Brainfuck 01:46:59 tswett: Error: There is no command "brainfuck". 01:47:12 it has the plugin >_> 01:47:18 its set up too 01:47:37 `run bash -c "$(echo -e 'sed -i "s/tswett/tsw\0020ett/" bin/blame')" 01:47:40 No output. 01:47:50 * hppavilion[1] 01:47:50 `blame the weather 01:47:51 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:47:58 The heck is that? 01:48:04 tswett: Ah, yes, I approve 01:48:20 `run bash -c "$(echo -e 'sed -i "s/tsw\0020ett/tsw\0017ett/" bin/blame')" 01:48:23 No output. 01:48:29 `blame the sky 01:48:31 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:48:35 There we go! 01:49:07 `tswatt 01:49:10 -!- earenndil has joined. 01:49:21 `congratulate earenndil 01:49:22 congratulations Moon_, you are the ruler of the chat! 01:49:46 oerjan: fix it hth <-- fix what 01:50:02 17:34 shachaf: `sedlast is not safe against simultaneous editing :( 01:50:03 -!- cnr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:50:15 -!- Elronnd has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:50:26 oh, wait 01:50:38 i thought you meant if the previous command edited multiple files 01:50:49 did i mention that i was reading messages on my phone and not paying a whole lot of attention hth 01:50:53 -!- cnr has joined. 01:51:05 `disparage Moon__ 01:51:06 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: disparage: not found 01:51:13 oerjan: anyway the obvious solution is to require the user of sedlast to specify the complete old filename and contents 01:51:25 -!- earenndil has changed nick to Elronnd. 01:51:25 * Moon__ takes up from oerjan happily <-- excellent, from now on it's your job to fix everything other people do wrong with HackEgo. good luck. 01:51:47 oh god *still keeps it tho* 01:51:59 `congratulate Moon__ 01:52:00 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: congratulate: not found 01:52:09 `congratulate earenndil 01:52:11 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: congratulate: not found 01:52:16 someone removed it 01:52:30 `culprits bin/congratulate 01:52:32 `blame boily 01:52:40 It was tswett's fault! Punish them! 01:52:43 hppavilion[1] Moon__ 01:52:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:52:51 hppa! 01:53:09 `maim hppavillon[1] 01:53:11 ​*grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* 01:53:25 `maim hppavillon[1] 01:53:26 hppavillon[1] just melted off their fingers! 01:53:31 -!- newperson has joined. 01:53:35 `maim hppavillon[1] 01:53:36 hppavillon[1] just got fried by jumpercables! 01:53:39 `maim hppavillon[1] 01:53:39 hppavillon[1] has been badly maimed! 01:53:41 `maim hppavillon[1] 01:53:42 oerjan: anyway the obvious solution is to require the user of sedlast to specify the complete old filename and contents <-- aka "making it 90% useless" hth 01:53:42 hppavillon[1] just melted off their fingers! 01:53:47 ... 01:54:00 oerjan: itym 100% useless hth 01:54:02 Um. 01:54:03 `welcome newperson 01:54:04 newperson: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 01:54:12 Ummmm... 01:54:36 Moon__: u arent the most welcoming person 01:54:44 sorry 01:54:55 *curls up in a corner* 01:55:05 shachaf: well it _could_ still be slightly shorter than `` sed -i '...' '...' 01:55:15 `ls 01:55:17 ​:-( \ !\.´ \ 99 \ 99bb \ advice \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ congratulate \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ oerjan \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUari 01:55:18 Moon__: Given the repeated maming. 01:55:31 wait... hppa, stop faking 01:55:36 Dammit 01:55:44 -!- newperson has quit (Client Quit). 01:55:47 *murders hppa* 01:56:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:56:05 Totally worth a try 01:56:10 lol 01:56:23 now fix congratulate 01:56:28 oerjan: well i rounded from 99.9% 01:56:38 (I honestly thought that would work) 01:56:56 (Also, why does culprits list deleted files?) 01:56:59 hppavilion[1]: yeah you were so unsuspicious 01:57:10 oerjan: How so? 01:57:11 Moon__: u arent the most welcoming person 01:57:15 Moon__: Also, what dipped you off? 01:57:23 *tipped 01:57:25 the fact you stated 01:57:30 Moon__: Given the repeated maming. 01:57:38 Moon__: Really? 01:57:40 * oerjan swats hppavilion[1] -----### 01:57:40 Moon__: How? 01:57:46 you refered to yourself in that sentence 01:57:58 Moon__: When did I refer to myself? 01:58:06 `? itymology 01:58:08 Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement. 01:58:15 [~Unsuspici@58-0-174-206.gci.net 01:58:22 Moon__: I MEANT that you were repeatedly maiming people 01:58:27 Moon__: Not me in particular 01:58:34 seemed like you ment yourself 01:58:43 Moon__: the maimings happened after newperson joined. i say it was legit, but no match for your superior suspicion hth 01:59:07 Moon__: also, get a client with tab completion hth 01:59:18 and /me 01:59:18 oerjan: Agreed 01:59:35 Moon__: And one that doesn't display hostnames 01:59:57 `culprits 02:00:09 hppavilion[1] tswett tswett Moon__ Moon__ Moon__ Moon__ oerjan oerjan oerjan hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] Moon__ Moon__ Moon__ hppavilion[1] oerjan Moon__ oerjan oerjan oerjan hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] tswett hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] tswett hppavilion[1] moon_ hppavilion[1] moon_ hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] moon 02:00:26 `` culprits -h 02:00:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:00:34 No output. 02:00:51 oerjan: Is culprits a hashego builtin? 02:01:09 of course 02:01:14 indubitably. 02:01:35 a shachego builtin 02:01:52 (Also, why does culprits list deleted files?) <-- so that we don't have to recreate a file just to check its history to see if it needs recreation, duh 02:01:57 it was created by nitia 02:02:02 `culprits wisdom/zzo38 02:02:11 oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia 02:03:29 `culprits bin/culprits 02:03:35 int-e Jafet Jafet tswett tswett shachaf shachaf shachaf FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly shachaf 02:04:16 `cat bin/culprits 02:04:17 hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 02:04:22 bin/spoilsport 02:04:39 shachaf: i think this channels is confused enough at the moment. 02:04:39 nitia's nice 02:04:46 *-s 02:05:09 FireFly: initially, at least 02:05:12 `? nitia 02:05:14 nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her. 02:05:21 ooh 02:05:22 `? bbc 02:05:25 The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs. 02:05:39 `? tinyelf 02:05:40 tinyelf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:05:48 `learn_append bbc Taneb invented it. 02:05:52 Learned 'bbc': The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs. Taneb invented it. 02:05:52 `? muppet 02:05:53 muppet? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:06:24 `? tanebventions 02:06:25 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, robots, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 02:06:56 `? progress 02:06:58 Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. 02:07:03 `? robots 02:07:05 Robots are deterministic finite Belgians that repeat themselves. Taneb invented them. 02:07:18 `culprits wisdom/robots 02:07:22 No output. 02:07:22 `culprits wisdom/robot 02:07:26 shachaf 02:07:29 what 02:07:33 oops. 02:07:34 that's a terrible wisdom entry 02:07:50 `` rm wisdom/robot; sed -i 's/robots, //' wisdom/tanebvention 02:07:52 No output. 02:08:00 looks like it was wisdoomed 02:08:27 `` sed -i 's/progress/the BBC, progress/' wisdom/tanebvention 02:08:31 No output. 02:08:48 `? tanebventions 02:08:50 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 02:08:50 Wait, if he never invents anything involving sex, then what's a D-module? 02:08:57 `? d-module 02:08:58 D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. 02:09:10 `? torus 02:09:11 Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented it. 02:09:16 hppavilion[1]: just wait until you see HMS Pinafore hth 02:09:27 `? HMS Pinafore 02:09:28 HMS Pinafore? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:09:30 wait, if hppavilion[1] thinks a d-module involves sex, then what is it? 02:10:01 oerjan: It's a pun on... certain uses of the letter "D" 02:10:58 @google captain's song pinafore 02:10:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Np-PjftJN8 02:11:11 certain uses to which i have not previously been introduced. 02:11:27 d-modules cannot involve sex. they are a tanebvention, and Taneb doesn't invent sex. 02:12:18 `learn Wisdoom is realizing just too late how you could have avoided your demise. 02:12:21 Learned 'wisdoom': Wisdoom is realizing just too late how you could have avoided your demise. 02:12:57 oerjan: example: " wants the D" 02:13:15 It's not the most mature usage 02:13:28 It's really quite stupid 02:13:50 -!- Moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:14:36 -!- idolbot has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:14:40 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 02:14:43 `le/rn hms pinafore//HMS Pinafore is just some infernal nonsense, according to general majority opinion. 02:14:47 Learned «hms pinafore» 02:15:08 hppavilion[1]: so stupid it makes no sense even _after_ you've heard of it. 02:15:18 oerjan: Yes, true 02:15:26 oerjan: D as in "Dick" 02:15:33 * hppavilion[1] cringes 02:18:04 oerjan++ 02:18:13 general majority 02:21:23 `` echo "hppavilion[1] has -i karma" >> karma 02:21:27 No output. 02:21:30 `karma hppavilion[1] 02:21:39 hppavilion[1] has 0 karma. 02:21:48 `cat karma 02:21:49 oren has 1 karma. \ hppavilion[1] has -i karma 02:21:57 `cat bin/karma 02:21:57 ​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 has $(lib/karma "$1") karma." 02:22:01 Oh 02:22:04 I see 02:22:19 `rm bin/getkarma 02:22:22 No output. 02:22:31 (I added that earlier because I didn't realize there was bin/karma) 02:22:43 `karma oren 02:22:52 oren has 1 karma. 02:23:13 `cat lib/karma 02:23:15 ​#!/bin/sh \ count () { \ hg log --template '{desc}\n' | \ egrep '<[^]]*> karma\'$1 | \ fgrep -vix "<$2> karma$1 $2" | \ cut -d' ' -f3 | \ fgrep -cix "$2" \ } \ plus=$(count + "$1") \ minus=$(count - "$1") \ echo $(($plus-$minus)) 02:23:24 @karma oerjan 02:23:24 oerjan has a karma of 34 02:23:33 oerjan++ 02:23:35 oerjan++ 02:23:37 oerjan++ 02:23:43 @karma oerjan 02:23:43 oerjan has a karma of 37 02:23:45 Oh 02:23:47 can't leave someone's karma on a composite number. 02:23:48 Cool 02:23:55 boily: :) 02:24:23 boily: Oh! Does @karma increase karma? 02:24:32 it checks your current karma. 02:24:37 boily: Oh 02:35:11 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ARTWORK CHICKEN). 02:41:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:01:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:05:25 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:26:31 `coins 03:27:34 No output. 03:27:36 `coins 03:28:23 `ping 03:28:34 No output. 03:28:34 pong 03:28:41 `cat bin/coins 03:28:42 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords 03:28:52 `words 03:29:06 leption 03:29:23 `words 50 03:29:35 trauboy ofc poo klosoppe whoh suspendemility aperprope compen dric lely sematione poing ferro make ten geor giosent suya pava lyce sphen twick condicallic djoyne diame 03:29:41 `coins 03:29:58 ​sorcoin esfulcoin attercoin lenlecoin wakelxquocoin hildyncoin quotecoin discoin noobabtcoin bagcoin mechowelaguffainimetalkuncoin logcoin pringcoin quatcoin automecoin hightcoin maiiacoin ()coin vilinecoin agacoin 03:30:14 seriously. 03:30:30 HackEgo: are you dying of old age and bitrot :( 03:54:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:02:52 -!- Nathan2055 has joined. 04:03:06 oerjan: are you????? 04:03:17 -!- greenlock has joined. 04:03:23 well _eventually_... 04:07:36 Eventually... the singularity? 04:08:07 I have enacted an evil plan 04:08:11 I bet nobody can guess it 04:08:54 Write HackBot as a script and host is on HackBot? 04:08:58 it* 04:09:09 greenlock: You are even more evil than me :( 04:09:57 `cat share/nothp 04:09:58 I bet you can't prove hppavilion[1] wrote this file 04:10:52 -!- Kaynato has joined. 04:12:02 (that's a challenge, tswett, oerjan, & co) 04:13:21 `culprits share/nothp 04:13:29 No output. 04:13:38 `cat bin/culprits 04:13:39 hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/hppavilion\[1\]//g" | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 04:13:42 Dammit 04:15:26 `` sed -i 's/[|] sed[^|]*//' bin/culprits; culprits share/nothp 04:15:50 hppavilion[1] 04:15:56 :( 04:15:59 `cat bin/culprits 04:16:02 hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 04:16:26 greenlock told me to come in here. I have no idea what's going on. 04:16:50 well right now here is pretty silent. 04:17:05 earlier there was a lot of bot chaos. 04:17:33 and before that there was a confused swiss who thought this was the other kind of #esoteric. 04:17:41 `relcome Nathan2055 04:18:00 ​Nathan2055: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 04:18:56 Much color. Such rainbow. 04:19:22 And I don't think I want to know what the "other kind of esoteric" is. 04:19:41 it's probably what you think it is. 04:20:20 `? esoteric 04:20:21 This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet. 04:20:28 `? esoterica 04:20:29 esoterica? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:20:43 `loins 04:20:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: loins: not found 04:20:58 tswett: wat 04:21:01 `? loins 04:21:03 loins? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:21:12 `run sed 's/coin/loin/' < bin/coins > bin/loins 04:21:14 No output. 04:21:16 `run chmod +x bin/loins 04:21:18 No output. 04:21:19 `loins 04:21:27 O KAY 04:21:49 alas, `coins seems to have a tendency of timing out recently. 04:21:52 I don't want to know what's going on right now. 04:21:59 ​whenloin triptloin swayloin bibaloin gratloin valloin p''loin factratedloin htafnfaloin marmloin convenloin carandolumloin manloin dumpetloin deliumloin lockzloin fernsilloin nicmefulloin immtloin wheadactalk:brandloin 04:22:14 * Nathan2055 goes back to discussing the possibility of RAIDing tape drives in #wikipedia-en 04:22:19 Nathan2055: tswett is investigating loin types 04:22:27 Buy wheadactalk:™ brand loin! 04:22:45 Can I assume loin means something different in this universe? 04:22:51 tswett: do they come with free girding? 04:23:36 Yes. 04:23:52 maybe i should upgrade, then. 04:25:14 Nathan2055 seems to have a weak mind. no one mention the name of our most famous esolang, please. 04:25:31 I'm aware of beed. 04:25:34 *beef 04:28:08 `? beef 04:28:09 beef? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:28:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck 04:28:43 The compiler is called beef IIRC. 04:28:46 `? brainfuck 04:28:47 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 04:29:19 `` sed -i 's/[.]/. The name is a euphemism for "beef"./' wisdom/brainfuck 04:29:23 No output. 04:29:37 there are a lot of compilers. 04:29:50 Like 90% of the messages in this channel make no sense. 04:29:50 `? brainfuck 04:29:51 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 04:29:57 * Nathan2055 prepares to get murdered 04:30:16 we don't murder people for the truth here. now puns on the other hand... 04:31:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 04:31:22 What does puckipedia do? 04:31:32 puckipedia: what do you do? 04:32:02 i don't think puckipedia is a bot, although i don't remember em speaking either, so i could be wrong. 04:32:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:32:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:36:37 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:36:39 nope, not a bot. he has a website. 04:36:39 -!- greenlock has left ("Leaving"). 04:38:53 impressive credentials 04:39:37 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:40:34 -!- Frooxius has joined. 04:41:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:42:50 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 04:44:44 `culprits2 share/nothp 04:44:46 fungot 04:44:56 `culprits2 share/nothp 04:44:58 No output. 04:45:00 `culprits2 share/nothp 04:45:03 fungot 04:45:07 `culprits2 share/nothp 04:45:10 tswett 04:45:13 :) 04:46:46 `? coins 04:46:48 coins? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:46:52 `? `coins 04:46:53 ​`coins? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:46:58 `cat bin/coins 04:46:59 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords 04:47:45 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} 04:47:50 `words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} 04:47:51 Argument "${1---eng-1M" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. 04:47:55 `` words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} 04:47:56 Argument "words" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. 04:48:08 ...eh? 04:48:11 `coins 04:48:13 ​scricoin immcoin rincoin heatncoin enicoin decacoin rhercoin potecoin wamcoin celcoin noilogcoin mismcoin mdtianchooplecorrecoin dispcoin rgncoin finatorcoin sattecoin bfgcoin abcokmaniquiecoin potucoin 04:48:16 `cat loins 04:48:17 cat: loins: No such file or directory 04:48:23 `cat bin/loins 04:48:24 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/loin\1/g' | rainwords 04:48:39 `` words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} 04:48:40 Argument "words" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. 04:48:43 I don't get it 04:48:53 `cat words 04:48:54 cat: words: No such file or directory 04:48:59 `cat bin/words 04:48:59 ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #wa 04:49:07 I should have seen that coming given "line 148" 04:49:24 So... why doesn't it work when it isn't piped? 04:50:00 SIMDcoin 04:51:28 http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/122336/i-got-an-email-threatening-to-ddos-me-if-i-dont-pay-a-ransom-what-should-i-do 04:51:39 "Our attacks are extremely powerful - sometimes over 1 Tbps per second. And we pass CloudFlare and others remote protections! So, no cheap protection will help." 04:51:48 "1 Tbps per second" 04:51:53 "Tbps per second" 04:51:57 I hope that isn't RAS Syndrome 04:53:21 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Jobende * New user account 04:53:59 -!- newsham has joined. 04:58:28 `` echo ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} # hppavilion[1] 04:58:29 echo ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} # hppavilion[1] 04:59:16 hppavilion[1]: that doesn't expand to the right thing outside of the bin/coins script 04:59:26 or bin/loins 05:02:27 <\oren\> tera bytes per second per second would be a unit of change in traffic 05:03:50 -!- Kaynato has joined. 05:04:30 hppavilion[1]: basically, it expands to the argument of bin/` 05:04:34 `cat bin/` 05:04:35 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 05:05:05 <\oren\> e.g. if you have zero traffic now and one Mbps traffic ten minutes from now, then your traffic has spiked at a rate of 16.66 kbps^2 05:05:07 `` echo $0 05:05:08 ​/hackenv/bin/` 05:05:35 <\oren\> er, wait did I do that math right? 05:05:39 <\oren\> whatever. 05:06:06 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:08:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:18:16 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:29:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:46:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:54:17 -!- Deewiant has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:54:28 -!- Deewiant has joined. 06:53:27 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:58:12 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:01:16 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:04:22 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:18:19 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:24:25 -!- Nathan2055 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:36:43 * oerjan notices a dark shadow of trouble in today's freefall 07:55:52 there needs to be a programming language made of cheese 08:04:25 a casein point 08:09:24 . o O ( why doesn't english use one of -ein or -eine predictably? ) 08:33:38 oerjan: I thought there were shadows of trouble in 2804 already 08:34:39 unless you mean literal shadows, hmm 08:36:11 i do 08:54:28 shadows? 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14:05:23 b_jonas: it to investigate the enron case of the el data from eu countries to keep the price that we 14:05:59 fungot: is Gravity a good film? 14:05:59 b_jonas: as we will it be of the texas market seems the logical to me! i 14:18:44 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:26:12 -!- acertain has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:26:56 -!- acertain has joined. 14:44:18 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 14:45:21 -!- ybden has joined. 14:56:20 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:57:21 -!- spiette has joined. 15:09:07 -!- ineiros has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:19:27 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:23:34 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:24:00 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:24:30 -!- ybden has joined. 15:38:23 -!- ineiros has joined. 15:44:46 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:53:34 -!- jaboja has joined. 16:04:37 [wiki] [[Nullary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46955&oldid=46953 * Occular * (-7) 16:32:20 <\oren\> halp i cant stop typing snv instead of svn 16:35:24 \oren\: I have the most problem with typing the other one of "io" and "oi". The problem is that both of those occur in English words, so I can't just train myself to type only one. 16:36:04 The other common transposition typo I do is in my real name, because I type that quickly. 16:47:13 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:47:47 b_jonas, I guess oi and io are two sides of the same cion 16:59:24 Taneb: Let's try to aviod voilating the boundaries of good taste with them puns, okay. 17:00:05 fizzie, I find that notoin absurd 17:01:46 Taneb: congratulations on inventing the bbc 17:02:02 `? tanebventions 17:02:35 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 17:02:46 `? BBC 17:02:50 The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs. Taneb invented it. 17:08:27 -!- feliks has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:09:49 -!- feliks has joined. 17:13:36 `inventions 17:13:38 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: inventions: not found 17:13:44 `? inventions 17:13:46 inventions? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:20:36 "invention" is a synonym for "tanebvention" hth 17:21:01 `inventions taneb 17:21:02 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: inventions: not found 17:24:27 -!- catern has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:28:39 -!- paul2520 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:34:00 -!- catern has joined. 17:40:50 -!- paul2520 has joined. 17:40:50 -!- paul2520 has quit (Changing host). 17:40:50 -!- paul2520 has joined. 18:02:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:05:25 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:08:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:20:13 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:24:21 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:32:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:38:33 -!- ybden has changed nick to BigBrother. 18:39:11 -!- BigBrother has changed nick to ybden. 18:46:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:55:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:55:30 -!- gremlins has joined. 18:56:54 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:59:54 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:01:49 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 19:08:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:14:30 `learn ACAB is short for "all codecs are broken". 19:15:00 Learned 'acab': ACAB is short for "all codecs are broken". 19:22:23 `` echo *_* 19:22:26 ls_dev 19:22:54 `` echo wisdom/*_* 19:22:56 wisdom/_̰̆̓_Ì̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_͂͋͒ͧ͋Ì̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ wisdom/̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚Í͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞ wisdom/b_jonas wisdom/koen_ wisdom/ 19:23:13 ug 19:24:16 -!- Kaynato has joined. 19:29:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:41:37 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:41:57 `learn TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. 19:42:03 Learned 'ta': TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. 19:42:16 `?TAS 19:42:19 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?TAS: not found 19:42:19 `? TAS 19:42:23 TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. 19:42:27 `? ta 19:42:30 TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. 19:42:34 huh. 19:42:43 `? huh 19:42:47 huh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:42:57 hmm 19:43:10 `learn huh is ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:43:14 Learned 'huh': huh is ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:43:50 are you sure you wanted that? 19:45:11 coppro: Did you mean "`learn A TAS is a ..."? 19:52:31 -!- deltab has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:52:35 . o O ( libtool is for hardcore players) 19:59:15 I have book that includes Niels Bohr's coat-of-arms. 20:03:37 Unlike the one on Wikipedia this one though also includes his full name on the left and a date on the right (XVII Octobris an:MCMXLVII). About the date, Wikipedia says "At a memorial meeting of the Academy on 17 October 1947 for King Christian X, who had died in April, the new king, Frederick IX, announced that he was conferring the Order of the Elephant on Bohr." 20:07:29 -!- deltab has joined. 20:08:53 [wiki] [[Hellborne]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46956 * Moon * (+520) Created page with "Hellborne is a language designed to be '''''as hard as fliping possible''''', generic things like increment and decrement, or changing the focused variable, take multiple comm..." 20:09:34 [wiki] [[Hellborne]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46957&oldid=46956 * Moon * (+5) 20:16:55 [wiki] [[Brainmaker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46958&oldid=34528 * Moon * (+107) 20:20:42 -!- zgrep has quit (Quit: / is now empty). 20:21:02 -!- zgrep has joined. 20:21:42 -!- tromp_ has joined. 20:26:27 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:41:10 Hm... 20:41:27 Thoof is a fun proof assistant 20:41:41 What do I use for serious proofs? 20:41:55 shachaf: Also Thoof 20:42:06 shachaf: Well, it depends on what kind of system you're proving in 20:47:16 One way to do conversion of 16-bit numbers from binary to decimal is to have tables for converting each byte into the place values in decimal (eight tables in total), and then add them up by implementing decimal arithmetic. On 6502 this can work well; use CMP #10 after each digit is processed and the carry flag is already correct for dealing with the next one. 20:48:37 hi zzo38 20:48:48 I heard you wanted to break Z-machine backwards compatibility? 20:50:04 shachaf: I don't know why; I was not trying to break it? 20:56:57 How do you hear such thing anyways? 20:57:46 shachaf: no 20:57:50 I was talking to vaporware. 20:58:25 not earlier 20:58:27 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:02:53 shachaf: At what time? 21:03:03 zzo38: Yesterday evening. 21:05:27 What fun. 21:06:00 pikhq: You know vaporware, don't you? 21:06:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:07:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:12:20 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:12:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:12:44 -!- gremlins has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 21:13:31 -!- Reece` has joined. 21:15:11 No. 21:16:47 pikhq: jmcgrew? 21:18:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:19:18 Their name is Jesse McGrew as can be reveal by finger command on ifMUD 21:33:46 -!- centrinia has joined. 21:43:14 zzo38 Take a look at http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/dither/jy/ 21:43:29 I wanted to link you to that sooner but haven't gotten around to it 21:44:55 OK I will read it. 21:45:23 -!- Moon_ has joined. 21:45:46 hia 21:47:36 I could use some of these for adding into my "ff-reduce" program 21:48:03 `congratulate oerjan 21:48:04 `ls 21:48:04 ? 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22:49:12 Unfortunately. 22:52:55 *writing out the specifications and details of a new esolang, making the page quite long* 23:04:31 ++* 23:04:31 *$* 23:04:31 *+o 23:04:41 thats a sample program 23:05:29 blog entry on busy beavers and decidability: http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725 23:07:48 [wiki] [[Antgrid]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46959 * Moon * (+1191) Made page -Moon 23:08:28 Didn't you already discuss that post in this channel? 23:08:47 I think it's come up thrice. 23:08:52 Don't remember by whom, though. 23:09:24 [wiki] [[Antgrid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46960&oldid=46959 * Moon * (+161) oops! i forgot something! 23:09:50 yes, this was previously discussed 23:10:09 but maybe at that time the Laver tables were not in there yet:) 23:11:28 see this comment: http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725#comment-1086714 23:11:57 [wiki] [[Antgrid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46961&oldid=46960 * Moon * (+14) 23:12:24 [wiki] [[Antgrid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46962&oldid=46961 * Moon * (+1) 23:12:42 moon__: There's a "preview" function. 23:12:53 i need to make a habit of useing it >_> 23:14:39 [wiki] [[Antgrid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46963&oldid=46962 * Moon * (+1) 23:17:00 tromp: that's p. neat 23:20:57 i'm wondering how best to compute laver tables in lambda calculus... 23:21:44 in particular the map i -> (i+1) mod 2^n 23:22:54 maybe using church numerals and lookup in a list... 23:23:23 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:26:04 [wiki] [[Antgrid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46964&oldid=46963 * Moon * (-14) 23:26:56 antgrid is not your normal 2d esolang, its the program that is 2d, not the memory 23:27:49 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:29:00 moon__: so? piet also has only the code space 2d, not the data. 23:30:10 true 23:30:15 how many others do? 23:31:31 Befunge to some extent, COMPLEX 23:31:41 (COMPLEX to a different extent) 23:34:16 Wierd is stack + two-dimensional source, akin to Befunge. 23:35:15 2L has two-dimensional code, and a Brainfuck-style tape for data. 23:35:47 PATH is maybe even closer. 23:36:16 (Incidentally, you could steal a nice formatting for a command list from the PATH article.) 23:37:22 Brainloller/Braincopter as well. 23:40:03 SNUSP's kind of a PATH derivative. 23:40:36 (The "bloated SNUSP" variant turns the data tape into a plane, but the others have a tape.) 23:42:44 Then there's that two-dimensional language that has no data space, only an unbound instruction counter… I dunno what that counts. 23:44:00 i found a intresting one: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Langar.io 23:44:02 Due to Befunge's influence, there's no shortage of the "two-dimensional source + a stack" types, either with or without access to the source code space. 23:44:24 but befunge has a two-dimensional data space apart from the stack, right? 23:44:37 That would be the "with access to the source code space" part. 23:44:40 ell i haven't checked out befunge, i didnt know it was 2d 23:44:52 i came up with antgrid on my own 23:45:41 There's also ><>, iirc... 23:45:52 ><> and Swordfish. 23:46:20 moon__: good, now you should study popular esolangs before you invent the next one then 23:47:48 moon__: at least learn about the classic ones like unlambda, intercal, befunge, underload, Piet, brainfuck (eww… I didn't say you have to like it, just learn about it), Chef, ... what important ones am I forgetting 23:48:23 Didn't you mean to put the parentheses 4 items to the left? :P 23:48:23 maybe Mouse? 23:48:37 zgrep: um, where? 23:48:46 intercal? :P 23:48:50 I think the ones you listed are a good choice probably. 23:49:05 Anyone will have their own list. Mine would have Thue and/or /// on it. 23:49:20 Taneb: oh, good idea 23:49:57 b_jonas, which idea? 23:50:02 And Malbolge's pretty famous as well, as an example of the "intentionally difficult" genre. 23:50:04 a string replacement language should be mentioned, especially since variants of them are popularized by the masters Knuth and Chomsky 23:50:17 Taneb: Apparently I look like you. 23:50:22 yeah, sorry 23:50:25 I mean fizzie 23:51:02 fizzie, I have an image of you in my head, the accuracy of which I'm unsure of 23:51:06 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:51:21 It's... a little like me? In the sense we're both skinny and white, but that's about it 23:51:40 And I for one quite like untyped pointer machines with goto and immutable values on the heap, but I can't say they're historically important. 23:52:18 Oh, don't forget fractran (counter machines with unbounded counter registers). Those are very popular (I can't say I like them though) 23:52:26 And turing-machines of course. 23:53:37 You could try looking at random stuff too. Some of them are not as good but you can look anyways to see more kind of thing, there is also list of ideas to look at too 23:53:50 (There's some other esolangs I dislike, and even one I hate, but they're not as important so I won't mention them here.) 23:54:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:54:06 Hm... 23:54:27 moon__: Hi 23:54:36 `ping 23:54:48 HackEgo:( 23:54:49 pong 23:55:30 Did anyone look at Laconic in more detail? We should add something more to its entry about what sort of language it is, not just about the goal it serves. 23:55:38 Taneb: I'm not all that skinny any more, but sickly white, sure. I guess the coin leaves something to the imagination. 23:55:51 -!- shikhin has changed nick to hhiikns. 23:55:57 In particular, does it have algebraic types with mutable cells? Or only immutable cells? Or even no algebraic types? 23:57:07 -!- hhiikns has changed nick to snkiihh. 23:57:30 moon__: I did something worthy of congratulation! 23:57:30 -!- snkiihh has changed nick to shikhin. 23:58:20 -!- ybden has changed nick to deny. 23:58:22 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:59:42 `ls 23:59:43 ​:-( \ !\.´ \ 99 \ 99bb \ advice \ alrus \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ oerjan \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ sh 23:59:48 `cat oerjan 23:59:48 No output. 23:59:51 `rm oerjan 23:59:53 what's with all the junk in hackenv 23:59:55 No output. 23:59:57 this is ridiculous 2016-05-07: 00:00:09 `ls -F 00:00:10 ​:-( \ !\.´* \ 99 \ 99bb* \ advice/ \ alrus \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin/ \ canary* \ cat \ cdescs/ \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D* \ dog \ emoticons/ \ equations \ esobible/ \ etc/ \ Eternity* \ evil/ \ factor/ \ foo* \ good/ \ hia* \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes 00:00:11 people experimenting hth 00:00:22 cat marsha 00:00:28 `cat marsha 00:00:29 No output. 00:00:34 `rm marsha 00:00:39 No output. 00:00:42 how about cleaning that up 00:01:00 i think i resigned that job the other day hth 00:01:13 `cat :-( 00:01:15 ​☹ 00:01:23 that one's old 00:01:26 `` hg log ':-(' | grep summary: 00:01:34 summary: ` echo \xe2\x98\xb9 > "./:-(" 00:01:40 `rm :-( 00:01:43 No output. 00:01:50 `cat !\.`* 00:01:51 cat: !\.`*: No such file or directory 00:02:01 `cat !\.´* 00:02:02 cat: !\.´*: No such file or directory 00:02:11 well anyway that one was mine so it can stay 00:02:13 `cat 99 00:02:13 b=bottle a=({no+more+$b\s,1+$b,{2..99}+$b\s}+of+beer) w=on+the+wall \ x=(Take+one+down,+pass+it+around Go+to+the+store+and+buy+some+more) \ for i in {99..0};{ \ echo "${a[i]^} $w, ${a[i]}. \ ${x[!i]}, ${a[i-1]} $w." \ }|tr + \ 00:02:17 `mkdir junk 00:02:18 No output. 00:02:21 `mv 99 junk/ 00:02:21 no!!!!! 00:02:23 mv: missing destination file operand after `99 junk/' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 00:02:43 is that no about creating more junk 00:03:00 shachaf: it's no about creating new directories for things we already have places for 00:03:08 what's the place twh 00:03:11 `rmdir junk 00:03:11 `ls src 00:03:14 No output. 00:03:15 bf \ bob.c \ brainfuck.fu \ c \ ciol \ daoyu.c \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm 00:03:20 oh i was just going to put everything in junk/ 00:03:26 and then let other people put it where they want 00:03:30 heh 00:03:38 `mkdir junk 00:03:39 No output. 00:03:40 `` mv 99 junk/ 00:03:43 No output. 00:03:48 `ls 00:03:49 ​!\.´ \ 99bb \ advice \ alrus \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ junk \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share \ Something.c \ sr 00:03:52 sheesh 00:03:56 `` cat 99bb 00:03:57 ​ELF............>......@.....@.......è..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....l......l........ ............p......p`.....p`.....8......@........ ...........ˆ......ˆ`.....ˆ`.....à.......à................ 00:04:00 `` mv 99bb junk/ 00:04:03 No output. 00:04:03 `cat alrus 00:04:06 No output. 00:04:15 `rm alrus 00:04:18 No output. 00:04:21 shachaf: i just reverted someone's creation of jnk/ the other day. 00:04:23 `` mv bdsmreclist junk/ 00:04:27 No output. 00:04:30 `cat BGTV9E93 00:04:31 ​#include 00:04:39 `` mv BGTV9E93 junk/ 00:04:41 No output. 00:04:42 `cat advice 00:04:43 `cat junk/bdsmreclist 00:04:43 cat: advice: Is a directory 00:04:45 ​ YOU are out of order. 00:04:53 `ls -F 00:04:54 ​!\.´* \ advice/ \ bin/ \ canary* \ cat \ cdescs/ \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D* \ dog \ emoticons/ \ equations \ esobible/ \ etc/ \ Eternity* \ evil/ \ factor/ \ foo* \ good/ \ hia* \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ junk/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ ls_dev \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share/ \ Something.c \ src/ \ templates 00:04:59 oh well. 00:05:11 do you object to what i'm doing 00:05:25 fizzie, I've worked out I was basing my mental image of you on your github profile pick 00:05:31 not very strongly hth 00:05:32 `` mv Complaints.mp3 share/ 00:05:36 shachaf: no! 00:05:36 No output. 00:05:40 shachaf: ok, stop. 00:05:40 `revert 00:05:47 I thought that's what share/ was for? 00:05:52 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 00:06:04 shachaf: yes, but there's a binary referring to that file. 00:06:10 Right, I was going to fix that next. 00:06:13 or two. 00:06:30 What, everything has to be an atomic operation now? 00:06:33 Fine, I'll stop. 00:06:51 Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. 00:06:55 also, you cannot `revert file creations properly. i assume that includes moves. 00:07:04 i'm just asking for a bit care hth 00:07:11 oerjan: I already checked that in /msg 00:07:15 `complain shachaf isn't atomic 00:07:19 Complaint filed. Thank you. 00:07:30 Taneb: Mm. Well, it's a bit old. (2004, that is.) 00:07:32 I'm not sure what's with all the "no!"s. 00:07:41 Are you trying to discourage taking initiative here? 00:07:51 `ls junk 00:07:54 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 00:08:00 hm i guess it worked 00:08:20 It's a little hostile. 00:08:28 shachaf: just a visceral reaction after all the time i've spent trying to keep things in order. hard habit to break. 00:08:30 fizzie, compared to that photo, I have shorter, darker hair, a smaller nose, slightly pointier ears, less chin, and more lip and neck I think 00:08:36 I'm cleaning up! 00:08:44 You just said you resigned that job. 00:09:09 Is your new job yelling at kids to get off your hackenv lawn? 00:09:24 shachaf: also, note that checking whether a `revert works is _also_ unreliable. a broken `revert makes the actual directory and the repository out of sync for a revision or so. 00:09:36 -!- Akaibu has joined. 00:09:38 `rm canary 00:09:42 No output. 00:09:49 ... 00:10:03 What? 00:10:07 * oerjan assumes shachaf is trolling about that 00:10:09 What's a reliable way of checking? 00:10:17 Look, I don't know how this works. 00:10:21 shachaf: you cannot remove canary. 00:10:29 `touch test 00:10:32 [wiki] [[Obfuscated Tiny C]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46965 * B jonas * (+952) Created page with "'''Obfuscated Tiny C''' is a small subset of the C programming language created by Fabrice Bellard, published in 2001. The goal is to be able to compile the language with a s..." 00:10:33 I thought removing it reset things to a known state or something? 00:10:35 No output. 00:10:38 `cat canary 00:10:38 `cat test 00:10:41 ​*tsjørp* 00:10:42 No output. 00:10:44 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:10:50 `ls junk 00:10:51 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 00:11:00 `ls -l canary 00:11:00 `` ls {share/,}Complaints.mp3 00:11:00 [wiki] [[Obfuscated Tiny C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46966&oldid=46965 * B jonas * (+39) 00:11:07 ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. 00:11:07 ls: cannot access share/Complaints.mp3: No such file or directory \ Complaints.mp3 00:11:12 wat 00:11:15 shachaf: anyway i think your revert actually _did_ work. i'm not entirely sure what the rules are. 00:11:15 `` ls -l canary 00:11:17 ​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 10 May 6 23:09 canary 00:11:18 [wiki] [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46967&oldid=46743 * B jonas * (-101) 00:11:29 oerjan: None of us are sure, but some of us feel sure enough to yell at others. 00:11:33 wait so what's the deal with canary 00:11:37 Removing the canary just skips committing the change, IIRC. 00:12:01 (Every command is *supposed* to run in a fresh checkout.) 00:12:43 * oerjan will try to assume shachaf knows what he's doing for a while. that is also hard with what all the other people keep doing to HackEgo 00:12:49 I was going to ignoerjan until shachaf: ok, stop. 00:12:55 But now I've stopped. 00:13:12 is there a new picture of fizzie 00:13:16 what average colour is it 00:14:17 -!- deny has changed nick to ybden. 00:14:47 I don't have any good recent images, except the coin. 00:15:02 coin? 00:15:32 Although I had a friend photograph things at the thesis defence afterparty, maybe there'll be at least one decent photo there. 00:16:19 `? fizzie 00:16:21 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 00:16:26 I think that's the coin. 00:17:27 I'm curious about the coin but not enough to download a file. 00:17:37 data:text/html, 00:17:48 Clever. 00:17:52 Thanks, zzo38! 00:17:54 You're a hero. 00:18:09 It's also in the wisdom pdf, if your browser opens that inline. 00:18:28 shachaf: sorry, go ahead. 00:18:46 Let's see. 00:18:48 `ls -F 00:18:49 ​!\.´* \ advice/ \ bin/ \ canary* \ cat \ cdescs/ \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D* \ dog \ emoticons/ \ equations \ esobible/ \ etc/ \ Eternity* \ evil/ \ factor/ \ foo* \ good/ \ hia* \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ junk/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ ls_dev \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share/ \ Something.c \ src/ \ templates 00:19:49 fuck does ls -F do 00:20:01 Phantom__Hoover: adds file types, i think 00:20:10 useful for not catting binary files 00:20:19 and seeing directories 00:20:26 but catting binaries is half the fun of hackego 00:20:29 `` mv Complaints.mp3 share/; for f in $(rgrep -l Complaints) bin; do sed -i 's#Complaints#share/Complaints' "$f"; done 00:20:30 well, mostly the latter 00:20:48 Phantom__Hoover: shachaf is one of the main people disagreeing with that theory, i believe 00:20:55 `` ls --color 00:21:19 obviously we need a utility turning terminal colour codes into irc ones 00:21:26 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:21:28 obviously. 00:21:44 shachaf: i think it's stalled trying to run some terminal code lookup 00:21:49 No output. 00:21:53 ​[0m[01;32m!\.´[0m \ [01;34madvice[0m \ [01;34mbin[0m \ [01;32mcanary[0m \ cat \ [01;34mcdescs[0m \ [01;32m:-D[0m \ dog \ [01;34memoticons[0m \ equations \ [01;34mesobible[0m \ [01;34metc[0m \ [01;32mEternity[0m \ [01;34mevil[0m \ [01;34mfactor[0m \ [01;32mfoo[0m \ [01;34mgood[0m \ [01;32mhia[0m \ [01;34mhw[0m \ 00:22:04 See, it works great. 00:22:12 really, there should be a < /dev/null in HackEgo's command execution to prevent this stuff. 00:22:26 shachaf: huh 00:22:35 `complaints 00:22:38 wc: Complaints.mp3: No such file or directory 00:22:47 Oops. 00:22:59 `` for f in $(rgrep -l Complaints) bin; do sed -i 's#Complaints#share/Complaints#' "$f"; done 00:23:04 Er. 00:23:11 `` for f in $(rgrep -l Complaints bin); do sed -i 's#Complaints#share/Complaints#' "$f"; done 00:23:50 is HackEgo frozen again. 00:23:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:23:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 00:23:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:24:00 No output. 00:24:04 `complaints 00:24:13 It takes a while to grep thorough everything in bin, I presume. 00:24:21 `` du -sh bin 00:24:40 No output. 00:24:45 15 share/Complaints.mp3 00:24:45 16Mbin 00:25:14 `complain The "complaints" command now shows a superfluous directory name. 00:25:18 Complaint filed. Thank you. 00:25:28 The .mp3 is fluous itself, of course. 00:25:32 `cat :-D 00:25:35 ​☺ 00:25:39 `` mv ':-D' junk 00:25:43 No output. 00:25:44 `cat cat 00:25:45 Meow~~ >^.^< 00:25:48 `mv cat junk 00:25:50 `cat dog 00:25:50 mv: missing destination file operand after `cat junk' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 00:25:51 ​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ 00:25:55 `` mv cat junk 00:25:58 No output. 00:26:00 `rm dog 00:26:02 No output. 00:26:05 `cat equations 00:26:06 x^x \ |x|^x 00:26:12 `` mv equations junk 00:26:15 `ls -F 00:26:15 No output. 00:26:16 ​!\.´* \ advice/ \ bin/ \ canary* \ cdescs/ \ emoticons/ \ esobible/ \ etc/ \ Eternity* \ evil/ \ factor/ \ foo* \ good/ \ hia* \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ junk/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ ls_dev \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share/ \ Something.c \ src/ \ templates/ \ test \ theorems/ \ tmflry/ \ wisdom/ \ wisdo 00:26:27 `cat Eternity 00:26:28 ​ while :; do echo 'Loading'; sleep 1; done 00:26:35 `mv Eternity junk 00:26:36 mv: missing destination file operand after `Eternity junk' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 00:26:45 ``mv Eternity junk 00:26:46 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found 00:26:53 `` mv Eternity junk/ 00:26:56 No output. 00:26:57 `` file foo hia 00:26:58 foo: ASCII text \ hia: ASCII text 00:27:03 `` mv {junk,bin}/Eternity # Technically an esolang 00:27:08 No output. 00:27:16 with a page, even. 00:27:23 `` mv {bin,ibin}/Eternity 00:27:35 `` grep '' foo hia 00:27:37 foo:foo \ hia::(){ :|: & };: 00:27:44 `` mv foo hia junk/ 00:27:48 No output. 00:28:05 shachaf: wat 00:28:11 ? 00:28:24 did you actually move it to ibin 00:28:28 no 00:28:31 ... 00:28:59 do you think it belongs there 00:29:03 `` rgrep karma bin 00:29:05 with HackEgo so slow it is very hard to see whether those are fake or not 00:29:07 shachaf: nah. 00:29:10 bin/karma+:echo "$1 now has $(($(lib/karma "$1")+1)) karma." | tee karma \ bin/karma-:touch karma \ bin/karma-:echo "$1 now has $(($(lib/karma "$1")-1)) karma." \ bin/pastekarma:cd karma \ bin/karma:echo "$1 has $(lib/karma "$1") karma." 00:29:26 i kind of want to delete the whole thing 00:29:35 `` hg log 'bin/karma+' | grep summary: 00:29:41 summary: Initial import. 00:30:00 `culprits karma 00:30:05 Elronnd Elronnd oerjan elliott Bike guestbot ais523 ais523 oerjan oerjan elliott FreeFull oerjan FreeFull elliott nitia 00:30:07 [wiki] [[Goruby]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46968 * B jonas * (+487) Created page with "'''goruby''' is a modification of the ruby programming language to make it somewhat more suitable to code golf. It is implemented by the files goruby.c and golf_prelude.c whi..." 00:30:14 thitia 00:30:35 [wiki] [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46969&oldid=46967 * B jonas * (-32) 00:30:40 `` ls -F | tail -n+15 00:30:42 junk/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ ls_dev \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share/ \ Something.c \ src/ \ templates/ \ test \ theorems/ \ tmflry/ \ wisdom/ \ wisdom.pdf 00:30:49 what's wisdom.pdf doing there 00:30:51 `cat Something.c 00:30:52 ​#include 00:30:57 `mv Something.C junk/ 00:30:58 mv: missing destination file operand after `Something.C junk/' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 00:31:13 one would think i'd learn eventually 00:31:20 `` mv Something.c junk/ 00:31:22 shachaf: i'm pretty sure karma has had major redesign recently. 00:31:23 No output. 00:31:24 `cat ReUariBw 00:31:26 int main( int argc, char *argv[] ) { 00:31:42 O, now the accounting equation in wisdom.pdf is fixed. (It used to be slightly wrong) 00:31:45 `` mv ReUariBw junk/ 00:31:47 No output. 00:31:48 `culprits wisdom.pdf 00:31:48 someone (possibly me) should make a script that traverses the languages category of the wiki and compiles the language list automatically 00:31:52 oerjan elliott Roujo 00:32:00 `` cat ls_dev 00:32:01 agpgart \ audio \ audio1 \ audio2 \ audio3 \ audioctl \ console \ core \ dsp \ dsp1 \ dsp2 \ dsp3 \ fd \ full \ kmem \ loop0 \ loop1 \ loop2 \ loop3 \ loop4 \ loop5 \ loop6 \ loop7 \ mem \ midi0 \ midi00 \ midi01 \ midi02 \ midi03 \ midi1 \ midi2 \ midi3 \ mixer \ mixer1 \ mixer2 \ mixer3 \ mpu401data \ mpu401stat \ null \ port \ ptmx \ pts \ ram \ 00:32:17 `` hg log ls_dev | grep summary: 00:32:21 summary: ` ls /dev > ls_dev 00:32:23 `` mv ls_dev junk/ 00:32:26 No output. 00:32:28 -!- Moon_ has joined. 00:32:35 `` ls -F | tail -n+10 00:32:37 factor/ \ good/ \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ junk/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes \ share/ \ src/ \ templates/ \ test \ theorems/ \ tmflry/ \ wisdom/ \ wisdom.pdf 00:32:37 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46970&oldid=46900 * B jonas * (+57) 00:32:42 * zgrep doesn't remember doing that at all... 00:33:13 Does it stand for "zygomorphism grep"? 00:33:27 `culprits templates 00:33:32 moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ moon_ 00:33:39 `` rm -r junk/ls_dev 00:33:42 No output. 00:33:49 zgrep: i'll assume it's not needed, then. 00:34:01 oerjan: Not needed at all. 00:34:03 looks rather irrelevant for HackEgo 00:34:19 `ls templates 00:34:21 esolanginterptemp-ciol- \ termwrapperOut 00:34:27 `` grep '' templates/* 00:34:28 templates/esolanginterptemp-ciol-:#include 00:34:37 Oh... I think it might've been when I was trying to find out more about hackego before I discovered the repository. 00:34:48 `cat templates/termwrapperOut 00:34:49 cmd='echo Hi!' sh -c 'eval $cmd' 00:34:55 `ls src 00:34:56 bf \ bob.c \ brainfuck.fu \ c \ ciol \ daoyu.c \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm 00:35:00 why didn't my grep work 00:35:01 b_jonas: There are a number of languages on the language list that are not in the category, and vice versa. There's also the joke language list, and (arguably) elements of that should still have Category:Language but not be on the main language list. 00:35:02 `ls src/ciol 00:35:03 helloworld.ciol 00:35:15 shachaf: It gzipped away. 00:35:21 `` mv templates/eso* src/ciol.c 00:35:24 No output. 00:35:27 is there a list of languages that aren't in any lists 00:35:37 i think that's where it belongs, and someone already said so 00:35:39 (I've looked at their intersection and set differences every now and then.) 00:35:44 s/list/set/g 00:36:03 There's already a list of every page in the category, namely the category page. 00:36:37 im challangeing you all to a code inflation challange, get the largest program optimal program that prints the fibbernoaci sequence possiblr 00:36:53 b_jonas: notes that the language list doesn't always agree with the article technical name, when weird chars are involved. 00:37:06 Moon_: How would you define "largest optimal". 00:37:32 i challenge you to a not challenging people to contests contest 00:37:45 we're even right now 00:37:46 Well, however you define it 00:37:56 shachaf: That's evil. 00:38:07 Or very unfair, at any rate. 00:38:30 oerjan: we can define a template that gives the alternate name and add them in those languages, or something 00:39:03 or better, put the language name as the sort key in a category entry in that page 00:39:10 The largest program that is the smalleat it can be in a language, basically language serfing 00:39:15 why didn't my grep work <-- the first file is copied from Windows, and contains \r which HackEgo has started cutting off at 00:39:23 it's not like we can'd add exceptions, but still, auto-generating the list would help and let us uncover lots of lost languages 00:39:25 kinda the opposite of code golf 00:39:44 At least one language is also on the language list twice -- once in the right place and once mis-sorted. 00:39:47 (we'll also need a root category for pages we want to exclude even if they're reachable from Languages, such as joke languages) 00:39:51 oerjan: HackEgo cuts off at \r? that explains multiple behavior i've seen thx tdh hth hand hug 00:39:56 fizzie: hmm 00:40:08 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: BigBrother is watching you). 00:40:12 They're not *lost*, you see them by looking at what's in the category. 00:40:14 fizzie: I knew some entries were mis-sorted, but I didn't know any were duped 00:40:27 `? hug 00:40:30 hug? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:40:32 I feel like I've been duped myself. 00:40:34 b_jonas: IIRC, only one. 00:40:35 fizzie: but the category has to be listed recursively, because not all langs are directly in it 00:41:10 LAll languages are supposed to be directly in it, or that was my understanding. 00:41:22 we can even keep the manual list if you want, or even in the extreme, not generate an automatic list at all, but only a list of languages missing from the manual apge 00:41:33 Or very unfair, at any rate. <-- i say it's perfectly fair hth 00:43:06 fizzie: maybe they should, but I don't think they all are 00:43:25 Oh, I wouldn't mind only having an automatic list. But everything currently on the list should be on the automatic one. 00:43:26 fizzie: if they should, then an automatic tool might help find the pages that aren't 00:43:52 fizzie: ideally, I wish we just put all non-languages to an appendix namespace, so that all pages in the main namespace are languages 00:44:16 but that doesn't happen, either for historical reasons or because ais doesn't want it 00:44:19 "Category:Languages (this should be present in all languages, --" 00:44:59 fizzie: yeah, but you know, it isn't automated. I think I created language pages without adding that category, because I didn't think we had such crazy manual methods on a wiki made by mainly programmers. 00:45:33 I can try writing the automator (I've done a little mediawiki stuff already) if I have time (so don't count on it) 00:45:51 My shortest helloworld:(blank). Written in metagolfscript-moonmoonsrandomid93847482074 00:46:23 I'm sure there are also a number of legitimately lost languages that are not on the list nor in the category. 00:46:28 Moon_: i think Unary is a good language for your challenge hth 00:46:37 Lol 00:47:34 Oh lord 00:48:08 * oerjan fetches something to wipe up Moon_'s exploded brain 00:48:58 I think there is something wrong with the kernel that causes problems with its interaction with the printer. 00:49:02 * Moon_ will very happily make something worse 00:49:20 Which module do I need to disable so that it can be in use properly? 00:49:48 a few more explosions and you'll be ready to start learning Haskell 00:50:27 * Moon_ has already put research into learning it 00:50:38 * Moon_ is going to wait 00:58:37 -!- moon__ has joined. 01:00:32 * oerjan suddenly realizes Moon_ has learned to use /me 01:04:36 * moon__ notes it was inevitable (see df wiki) 01:07:25 agagagagagag 01:07:27 is a quine 01:07:35 wait 01:07:42 i'm not very familar with df 01:07:42 i ment cgcgcgcgcgcg 01:08:04 the quine is wrote in http://esolangs.org/wiki/DNA-Sharp 01:08:08 oerjan: what about a language where you encode BB(n) in unary to encode the Unary program n hth 01:08:10 despite "everyone" else here playing it a few years ago 01:08:46 shachaf: well that's the obvious next step which i didn't bother to mention of course 01:09:52 * oerjan recalls wondering yesterday or so if there was something that was to BB like Ackermann is to exponentiation 01:10:03 `ciol rwhat would be a good way to compare values in ciol?; 01:10:04 what would be a good way to compare values in ciol? 01:12:47 * oerjan looked at the df wiki main page (and on a hunch, its talk page) and still does not understand what Moon_ meant 01:14:38 * oerjan tries a google and gets to Acronyms 01:16:54 'it was inevitable' is a refernence to how npcs overuse the phrase (well, used to) 01:16:59 ah. 01:17:18 i was just getting to Template:D for dwarf, which is the best i could find. 01:17:21 like by overused, they even used it incorrectly sometimes 01:18:13 npc1: 'I show no fear in the face of battle' npc1: 'it was inevitable 01:21:31 i'm not sure that is incorrect, given a matching life philosophy 01:21:53 .- 01:21:56 `ls 01:21:58 `ls bin 01:22:01 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ junk \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ templates \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 01:22:02 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ bin \ blame \ bla 01:22:20 Moon_: we've been cleaning up a bit. missing anything? 01:22:31 s/we/shachaf/g, mostly 01:22:48 /g?! 01:23:11 shachaf: well you've done a lot of cleaning 01:23:15 its a good thing your cleaning up 01:23:47 I do want to delete templates/ 01:23:59 move the stuff in it to src 01:24:04 shachaf: well there's only one thing left there, and it's not very good 01:24:18 or outright remove it 01:24:33 `` rm -r junk/templates 01:24:36 rm: cannot remove `junk/templates': No such file or directory 01:24:44 oh you didn't move that 01:24:49 `` rm -r templates 01:24:52 No output. 01:25:16 Hidden Deathlace {-} Conspiracy ;; Hidden agenda ;; Nonbasic objects with the chosen name are black. (There is then four more similar cards for blue, white, green, red) 01:25:25 I feel like there's a bunch of other junk that can be removed. 01:25:27 `ls -F 01:25:28 ​!\.´* \ advice/ \ bin/ \ canary* \ cdescs/ \ emoticons/ \ esobible/ \ etc/ \ evil/ \ factor/ \ good/ \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ junk/ \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ misle/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quine \ quines/ \ quotes \ share/ \ src/ \ test \ theorems/ \ tmflry/ \ wisdom/ \ wisdom.pdf 01:25:45 `url bin 01:25:46 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin 01:25:48 `url 01:25:53 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 01:25:55 check the files 01:26:06 I would even include esobible and tmflry and misle. 01:26:08 the url system is better 01:26:11 `cat test 01:26:12 No output. 01:26:14 `rm test 01:26:16 No output. 01:26:21 `` sed 's/\r//g' junk/ciol.c 01:26:23 sed: can't read junk/ciol.c: No such file or directory 01:26:29 `` sed 's/\r//g' src/ciol.c 01:26:30 ​#include \ #include \ \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ // initialize the tape with 30,000 zeroes \ unsigned long long int tape[30000] = {0}; \ unsigned long long int registrar[3] = {0}; // R1, R2, and R3 \ // set the pointer to point at the left-most cell of the tape \ 01:26:33 aha 01:26:40 `` sed -i 's/\r//g' src/ciol.c 01:26:43 No output. 01:26:43 dont delete the ciol command src 01:26:50 `cat src/ciol.c 01:26:51 ​#include \ #include \ \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ // initialize the tape with 30,000 zeroes \ unsigned long long int tape[30000] = {0}; \ unsigned long long int registrar[3] = {0}; // R1, R2, and R3 \ // set the pointer to point at the left-most cell of the tape \ 01:27:01 Moon_: i'm just converting the file to unix format 01:27:04 oh 01:27:08 because HackEgo kept cutting it off 01:27:38 why not make a dos2unix command? 01:27:41 `dos2unix 01:27:43 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dos2unix: not found 01:28:15 Do you like these kind of "hidden *lace" cards? 01:29:07 `mkx bin/dos2unix//sed -i 's/\r//g' "$@" 01:29:10 bin/dos2unix 01:29:13 why not indeed 01:29:29 I have read in a old book about "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" command in UNIX systems, although it is not installed by default on these new systems (although it is in the package manager). My "utftovlq" program can do both of these things too though. 01:30:10 zzo38: there is dos2unix on the server i'm irc'ing from 01:30:16 but it wasn't in HackEgo 01:30:18 that would help 01:30:30 i'm not sure if \r is the only issue these days. 01:30:59 now i can make updates to my CIOL intepreter *doubt* unix compatable 01:31:17 `erro error 404: moon not found 01:31:19 ​ error 404: moon not found 01:32:02 `mkx bin/dos2unix//sed -i 's/\r//g' -- "$@" 01:32:04 bin/dos2unix 01:32:21 `ls junk 01:32:22 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ cat \ :-D \ equations \ foo \ hia \ ReUariBw \ Something.c 01:32:34 `rm junk/Something.c 01:32:34 `cat junk/Something.c 01:32:36 its mine 01:32:38 ​#include 01:32:39 i can remove it 01:32:39 No output. 01:32:49 oh i was just going to use it to test dos2unix :P 01:32:53 anyway there are others 01:32:55 oh lol 01:33:01 Specifically "utftovlq 88L" will convert CRLF line endings to LF only; "tr -d \\r" will do it too, although there is a slight difference if input contains CR without LF. 01:33:11 `cat junk/BGTV9E93 01:33:13 ​#include 01:33:21 `dos2unix junk/BGTV9E93 01:33:21 What does 88L mean? 01:33:24 No output. 01:33:31 `cat junk/BGTV9E93 01:33:32 ​#include \ #include \ \ #include \ #include \ #include \ #include \ // initialize the tape with 30,000 zeroes \ unsigned long long int tape[30000] = {0}; \ unsigned long long int registrar[3] = {0}; // R1, R2, and R3 \ // set the pointer to point at the left-most cell of the tape \ 01:33:37 looks good 01:33:58 shachaf: The first 8 means the input format is 8-bit, the second 8 means the output format is 8-bit, and the L means to enable conversion of line endings to LF only. 01:34:09 although it doesn't do any checks for binaries, so don't use them on anything that isn't text 01:34:16 *it 01:34:17 What other bittiness is supported? 01:34:48 (To do the reverse conversion, use "utftovlq 88cL", where c means to prepend CR to each LF) 01:35:25 `ls emoticons 01:35:27 drowning \ flipbird \ gaaan \ gaan \ kyaa \ shrug \ swatter \ useless 01:35:38 `ls junk 01:35:39 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ cat \ :-D \ equations \ foo \ hia \ ReUariBw 01:35:53 `` mv junk/:-D emoticons 01:35:53 `cat junk/:-D 01:35:59 shachaf: w is small-endian 16-bits, W is big-endian 16-bits, d is small-endian 32-bits, D is big-endian 32-bits, q is small-endian 64-bits, Q is big-endian 64-bits, 1 or 0 is UTF-8, V is big-endian VLQ-8, v is small-endian VLQ-8, u is small-endian UTF-16, U is big-endian UTF-16. 01:36:06 No output. 01:36:07 cat: junk/:-D: No such file or directory 01:36:22 `cat junk/cat 01:36:23 Meow~~ >^.^< 01:36:24 oerjan: foiled again 01:36:35 shachaf: Those are the other formats which are supported. 01:36:37 `` mv junk/cat emoticons 01:36:40 No output. 01:36:41 `` hg log --removed ':-(' | grep summary: 01:36:46 What is VLQ? 01:36:46 shachaf: i figure that's a good place for them 01:36:50 summary: rm :-( \ summary: ` echo \xe2\x98\xb9 > "./:-(" 01:37:02 oerjan: i guess you can undo that one 01:37:17 VLQ is the format used for time deltas in standard MIDI files (it is the big-endian format). 01:37:17 I think my font on the computer I did that on didn't support that character. Or something. 01:37:38 `` mv junk/99 src/99.sh 01:37:41 No output. 01:38:03 what do you all want on cleanup terms, ill help 01:38:22 `` ls junk/........ 01:38:24 ls: cannot access junk/........: No such file or directory 01:38:29 ls junk 01:38:31 `` ls junk/???????? 01:38:32 junk/BGTV9E93 \ junk/ReUariBw 01:38:32 `ls junk 01:38:33 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ BGTV9E93 \ equations \ foo \ hia \ ReUariBw 01:38:40 moon__: do you need either of those two 01:38:46 no 01:38:52 they are pastebin codes 01:39:00 i think they're just versions of ciol 01:39:05 check 01:39:11 `cat junk/ReUariBw 01:39:13 int main( int argc, char *argv[] ) { 01:39:15 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:39:22 oerjan: if you need something, HackEgo would be a very bad place to put it hth 01:39:36 `` dos2unix junk/ReUariBw; cat junk/ReUariBw 01:39:38 `dos2unix junk/ReUariB 01:39:39 `dos2unix junk/ReUariBw 01:39:40 int main( int argc, char *argv[] ) { \ int words = countwords(argv[1]); \ char english[80], piglatin[80]; \ initialize(english, piglatin); \ words = countwords(english); \ \ /* Now Pig Latin Translator in C converts English to Pig Latin */ \ convert(words, english, piglatin); \ writeoutput(piglatin); \ } 01:39:43 No output. 01:39:43 sed: can't read junk/ReUariB: No such file or directory 01:39:46 oh 01:39:54 my failed piglatin translater lol 01:40:16 shachaf: well just on the principle that it's nice to have code for compiled things in bin/ 01:40:24 `` rm junk/???????? 01:40:27 No output. 01:40:28 i take that as a no 01:40:41 oerjan: just require all programs to have a quine mode hth 01:40:46 shachaf: heh 01:40:56 i think i've overhthing 01:40:58 i'm 01:41:20 shachaf: that reminds me of the times i've been `ls'ing quines/ and thinking "wait, only binaries? they should inclu... oh wait." 01:41:36 `ls quines 01:41:37 c \ cat \ ciol \ perl \ python \ q \ ruby \ slashes 01:41:55 `cat quines/ruby 01:41:56 No output. 01:42:04 `` ls -F quines 01:42:05 c* \ cat* \ ciol \ perl \ python \ q* \ ruby \ slashes 01:42:15 oh 01:42:21 one of _those_ languages. 01:42:27 `` ls -l quines 01:42:28 `` ls -l quines/ruby 01:42:31 total 24 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 7292 Dec 9 04:13 c \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 0 Dec 9 04:13 cat \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 51 May 3 23:10 ciol \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 9 04:13 perl \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 9 04:13 python \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 6507 Dec 9 04:13 q \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 9 04:13 ruby \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 1497 Dec 01:42:32 ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 9 04:13 quines/ruby 01:42:38 tdnh 01:42:45 `hfs 01:42:46 ​ You 01:42:49 shachaf: i think it helps perfectly 01:42:55 i guess 01:43:04 but i was going to do a joke thing and it doesn't work now 01:43:09 `hfs 01:43:10 ​ You have discovered an eerie caven. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vorices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless glowing pit mark the surface. 01:43:40 moon__: hey are you editing hackenv on the side 01:43:48 that's a little rude 01:44:08 no it's not 01:44:36 `culprits hfs 01:44:46 No output. 01:44:52 `culprits bin/hfs 01:44:58 moon__ moon__ 01:45:01 i almost always put my edits in the channel 01:45:17 because it seems pretty rude to me to do otherwise 01:45:38 * oerjan mostly agrees with shachaf although can see the other point 01:45:54 I suppose it's slightly less so when you "own" a file. 01:46:28 `file bin/hfs 01:46:30 bin/hfs: ASCII text 01:46:34 `cat bin/hfs 01:46:35 erro "You have discovered an eerie caven. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vorices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless glowing pit mark the surface." 01:46:43 what's erro 01:46:45 i guess it would be a bit rude to make a bunch of stuff and never tell anyone but it's equally annoying having people fumble around in the channel when they could use privmsg 01:46:51 `file bin/erro 01:46:53 bin/erro: ASCII text 01:47:00 `cat bin/erro 01:47:01 echo -e '\000304' "$1" 01:47:08 aha 01:47:49 `mkx bin/erro//echo -e '\000304'"$1" 01:47:53 bin/erro 01:47:58 get rid of that initial space 01:48:06 `hfs 01:48:07 ​You have discovered an eerie caven. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vorices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless glowing pit mark the surface. 01:49:00 Phantom_Hoover: it depends a _lot_ on whether they're just fumbling around with their own stuff or messing up things 01:49:03 Phantom_Hoover: Well, I fumble around a lot in /msg, but I mutate in the channel. 01:49:12 Oh, you can also use /msg for pranks, of course. 01:49:42 `quines/haskell 01:49:43 main=putStrLn$(<*>)(++)show"main=putStrLn$(<*>)(++)show" 01:50:36 how so? 01:50:45 that file must have been statically linked back when HackEgo had ghc... 01:51:04 no, i compiled it by hand and uploaded it just now 01:51:08 shachaf: oh 01:51:20 this prank isn't working out at all 01:51:22 `cat quines/haskell 01:51:24 echo 'main=putStrLn$(<*>)(++)show"main=putStrLn$(<*>)(++)show"' 01:51:30 ... 01:51:43 * oerjan feels weirdly satisfied 01:51:47 I should've left it in there for you to find out years later. 01:52:00 OKAY 01:52:35 shachaf: you _might_ be able to actually upload a binary. although i guess you need an old enough version of linux... 01:52:48 What's wrong with compiling it to sh by hand? 01:52:54 tru dat 01:53:07 In fact I might go ahead and do this for all the other quines. 01:53:17 what? 01:53:26 make them execute? 01:53:35 this is the bit where oerjan tells me not to push it 01:53:42 Why doesn't HackEgo have GHC, anyway? 01:53:52 people say a server move 01:53:56 I kind of want to `fetch it. 01:54:03 fetch it 01:54:03 But it's a pretty big thing to put in the repository. 01:54:05 shachaf: Gregor didn't bother to reinstall it when he moved HackEgo 01:54:14 fetch it friend 01:54:34 shachaf: also, with HackEgo's current speed you'll probably never get anything compiled. 01:55:13 i _am_ wondering if there are any leftover haskell binaries in bin though... 01:55:18 and if they still work. 01:55:39 i briefly thought fueue was one, but i think that's actually koen_'s C version 01:55:48 oh emmental 01:55:55 that must be haskell 01:56:09 `file bin/emmental 01:56:12 bin/emmental: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x1dc625bf76c96f89951ecd418274d1eafd282487, not stripped 01:57:25 `` emmental <<<(cat src/underload.emm; echo '(:aSS)aSS') 01:57:26 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: `emmental <<<(cat src/underload.emm; echo '(:aSS)aSS')' 01:57:30 oops 01:58:02 what is the syntax for that again 01:58:03 hm 01:59:17 `` emmental <(cat src/underload.emm; echo '(:aSS)aSS') 01:59:18 emmental: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory \ cat: src/underload.emm: No such file or directory 01:59:25 darn 01:59:36 so, not static enough 02:01:08 did the server move really happen after i made underload.emm... 02:01:18 time flies. 02:01:54 it's possible there was a second move with that cloudatcost thing. 02:02:45 and if that removed libgmp.so.3, that may have broken it 02:03:40 `` ls /lib/libgmp* 02:03:42 ls: cannot access /lib/libgmp*: No such file or directory 02:03:56 `` ls /lib/ 02:03:57 cpp \ i386-linux-gnu \ init \ libcfont.so.0 \ libcfont.so.0.0.0 \ libconsole.so.0 \ libconsole.so.0.0.0 \ libctutils.so.0 \ libctutils.so.0.0.0 \ libip4tc.so.0 \ libip4tc.so.0.1.0 \ libip6tc.so.0 \ libip6tc.so.0.1.0 \ libipq.so.0 \ libipq.so.0.0.0 \ libiptc.so.0 \ libiptc.so.0.0.0 \ libxtables.so.7 \ libxtables.so.7.0.0 \ lsb \ modprobe.d \ systemd 02:04:14 `` ls /usr/lib/*gmp* 02:04:16 ls: cannot access /usr/lib/*gmp*: No such file or directory 02:04:24 oh well 02:04:27 `` ls lib 02:04:28 cdecl \ c++decl \ dcc \ frink \ frink.jar \ interp \ karma 02:05:56 `` ls /lib/*gmp* 02:05:58 ls: cannot access /lib/*gmp*: No such file or directory 02:06:04 *sigh* 02:06:04 i guess it's just not there. 02:06:12 moon__: hm? 02:06:26 `` ls /lib/*lib* 02:06:28 ​/lib/libcfont.so.0 \ /lib/libcfont.so.0.0.0 \ /lib/libconsole.so.0 \ /lib/libconsole.so.0.0.0 \ /lib/libctutils.so.0 \ /lib/libctutils.so.0.0.0 \ /lib/libip4tc.so.0 \ /lib/libip4tc.so.0.1.0 \ /lib/libip6tc.so.0 \ /lib/libip6tc.so.0.1.0 \ /lib/libipq.so.0 \ /lib/libipq.so.0.0.0 \ /lib/libiptc.so.0 \ /lib/libiptc.so.0.0.0 \ /lib/libxtables.so.7 \ 02:06:32 ok so it works 02:06:38 just checking 02:06:44 there is some stuff there. but seemingly no gmp. 02:06:56 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:07:40 anyway, it would be useless for new haskell programs, anyway. 02:08:34 back to cleanup? 02:08:40 `url bin 02:08:41 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin 02:08:43 ill go through bin 02:09:13 moon__: um we're not cleaning up bin 02:09:22 unless it's something you added recently 02:09:22 kk 02:09:34 what should i go through? 02:09:48 `ls junk 02:09:49 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ equations \ foo \ hia 02:10:03 this is sort of the stuff shachaf moved away 02:10:16 kk 02:10:38 so if you made some of that... 02:10:46 `rm !\. 02:10:47 rm: cannot remove `!\\.': No such file or directory 02:10:51 `file junk/99bb 02:10:52 junk/99bb: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x5f6d77538aebf1a77d9a9653a43d2e1ff64c5135, not stripped 02:10:58 sigh 02:11:03 someone made a unremoveable file 02:11:12 moon__: shachaf made that himself. 02:11:16 that does _nothing_ 02:11:39 moon__: probably its name is not what you think it is. 02:11:50 l 02:11:55 `rm junk/hia 02:11:57 that's the obvious way of doing it, as well as a favorite trick of shachaf 02:11:57 thats mine 02:11:59 No output. 02:12:20 `cat junk/foo 02:12:21 foo 02:12:28 `rm !\.` 02:12:29 rm: cannot remove `!\\.`': No such file or directory 02:12:30 that's not very useful, i think... 02:12:35 `rm junk/foo 02:12:37 mhm 02:12:37 No output. 02:12:38 `culprits foo 02:12:43 shachaf fizzie fizzie mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ oerjan ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull oerjan FreeFull nortti_ 02:12:47 hm 02:13:04 i think foo has existed many times. but i doubt it was ever useful :P 02:13:08 `./!\.´ 02:13:09 emergency signal toggled 02:13:15 thanckEgo 02:13:18 oh right 02:13:49 a visual pun 02:13:54 share/ is full of code files 02:14:04 that need moved to src 02:14:15 moon__: hm be careful 02:14:30 moon__: things in share may be referred to from otherwise 02:14:44 `ls share 02:14:44 `mv share/maze.c src/maze.c 02:14:45 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ hello2.c \ hello.c \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ maze.c \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ UnicodeData.txt \ u 02:14:46 `ls share 02:14:46 mv: missing destination file operand after `share/maze.c src/maze.c' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 02:14:47 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ hello2.c \ hello.c \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ maze.c \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ UnicodeData.txt \ u 02:14:48 Oh 02:14:55 `` mv share/maze.c src/maze.c 02:14:58 No output. 02:15:09 moon__: I can handle this 02:15:17 kk 02:15:20 `` mv share/*.c src/*.c 02:15:22 mv: target `src/u8tbl.c' is not a directory 02:15:22 Wait 02:15:33 `` mv share/*.c src 02:15:36 No output. 02:15:39 `ls share 02:15:40 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ UnicodeData.txt \ units.dat \ usercmds \ WordData 02:15:55 hppavilion[1]: please don't be so careless 02:16:00 oerjan: How so? 02:16:05 oerjan: Did I break something? 02:16:09 you might overwrite a file in the destination 02:16:13 oerjan: Oh, true 02:16:19 oerjan: Sorry 02:16:32 `cat usercmds 02:16:34 cat: usercmds: No such file or directory 02:16:41 `cat share/usercmds 02:16:43 f: give the data from a file as the argument to a command like bf \ bf: simple brainfuck intepreter, bf brainfuck code 02:16:59 thats a help file 02:17:12 that needs major extensions 02:17:14 `cat esolangs.txt 02:17:15 cat: esolangs.txt: No such file or directory 02:17:20 moon__: Oh, you started it? 02:17:25 mhm 02:17:38 adding other commands to it would be a good ide 02:17:44 `` sed -i 's/^/^`/' share/usercommands 02:17:45 sed: can't read share/usercommands: No such file or directory 02:17:46 y'all're too proactive 02:17:51 `` sed -i 's/^/^`/' share/usercmds 02:17:54 i'm with shachaf 02:17:54 No output. 02:18:02 shachaf: How so? 02:18:08 ask oerjan 02:18:11 oerjan: How so? 02:18:15 listen all, the main point of cleaning up is to keep the top directory of HackEgo readable. 02:18:20 * hppavilion[1] anticipates oerjan giving the same response 02:18:23 `ls 02:18:25 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ cmdutil \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ junk \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 02:18:31 its getting better 02:18:34 oerjan: And? Did we do something wrong? 02:18:55 `ls theorems 02:18:56 No output. 02:19:10 `quite 02:19:12 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quite: not found 02:19:12 `quine 02:19:13 e also need to clean up other directorys for readability 02:19:17 and sorting 02:19:24 moon__: not really 02:19:26 `ls advice 02:19:27 No output. 02:19:35 the top one is used all the time 02:19:38 or its not much of a clean up, its like cleaning the surface of the tile and forgetting the cracks 02:19:42 Should I `` rm -rf advice 02:19:42 ​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory 02:19:46 and bin/ is too huge to be readable anyway 02:19:53 `ls wisdom 02:19:54 ​` \ `? \ `? `? \ ^ \ == \ \ _̰̆̓_Ì̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_͂͋͒ͧ͋Ì̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ @ \ * \ \ \ 　 \ ⌨ \ ꙮ \ ⊥ \ ☃ \ 🐚 \ 🐐 \ 𝕈 \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚Í͎ 02:19:57 what! 02:20:02 what happened to the protection 02:20:03 `cat bin/ls 02:20:04 ​#!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^1053793 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try listing it in private instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi 02:20:17 `` ls -id wisdom 02:20:18 1053921 wisdom 02:20:29 `? 𝕈 02:20:29 shachaf: probably changed inode again 02:20:31 ​𝕈 would be the set of rational numbers, if the Unicode Consortium weren't idiots who put it as ℚ. 02:20:38 why does it compare by inode 02:20:45 ? 02:20:47 Huh? 02:20:59 is there a file compare command? 02:21:09 `cmp 02:21:09 moon__: Git merge-esque? 02:21:10 cmp: missing operand after `cmp' \ cmp: Try `cmp --help' for more information. 02:21:12 `culprits wisdom/𝕋 02:21:14 shachaf: it was the simplest way to not care about the exact path used? 02:21:16 No output. 02:21:16 `cmp --help 02:21:17 Usage: cmp [OPTION]... FILE1 [FILE2 [SKIP1 [SKIP2]]] \ Compare two files byte by byte. \ \ The optional SKIP1 and SKIP2 specify the number of bytes to skip \ at the beginning of each file (zero by default). \ \ Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. \ -b, --print-bytes print differing bytes \ -i, --i 02:21:18 hm 02:21:27 yea, there is 02:21:29 moon__: diff 02:21:44 `innocent wisdom/𝕋 02:21:44 i suppose cmp too 02:21:48 No output. 02:21:50 `` pwd 02:21:51 ​/hackenv 02:22:14 `merge 02:22:15 merge: not enough arguments \ merge aborted 02:22:21 `merge -h 02:22:22 merge: unknown option: -h \ merge: not enough arguments \ merge aborted 02:22:24 moon__: Do not use commands at random 02:22:25 `merge --help 02:22:25 Usage: merge [options] receiving-sibling parent other-sibling \ Options: \ -A Use `diff3 -A' style. \ -E Use `diff3 -E' style (default). \ -e Use `diff3 -e' style. \ -p Write to stdout instead of overwriting RECEIVING-SIBLING. \ -q Quiet mode; suppress conflict warnings. \ -LLABEL 02:22:47 `culprits wisdom/𝕈 02:22:47 hppavilion[1]: what rule file says? :P 02:22:51 oerjan oren \ oren 02:23:00 `` sed -i 's/1053793/"$(ls -id /hackenv/wisdom | cut -d' ' -f 1)"/' bin/ls 02:23:01 Um. 02:23:01 sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unknown option to `s' 02:23:02 Huh? 02:23:13 what rules say not to? 02:23:27 `` sed -i 's/1053793/"$(ls -id \/hackenv\/wisdom | cut -d' ' -f 1)"/' bin/ls 02:23:30 sed: -e expression #1, char 46: unterminated `s' command 02:24:14 right 02:24:36 `` sed -i 's#1053793#"$(ls -id /hackenv/wisdom | cut -d\ -f 1)"#' bin/ls 02:24:40 No output. 02:24:41 `ls wisdom 02:24:47 `rules 02:25:17 cut: the delimiter must be a single character \ Try `cut --help' for more information. \ cut: the delimiter must be a single character \ Try `cut --help' for more information. \ cut: the delimiter must be a single character \ Try `cut --help' for more information. \ cut: the delimiter must be a single character \ Try `cut --help' for more informati 02:25:17 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rules: not found 02:25:25 oops 02:25:43 `culprits2 bin/congratulate 02:25:44 * oerjan remembers he's retired 02:25:45 there are none hppavilion[1] 02:25:47 tswett Moon_ tswett Moon__ 02:26:08 `congratulate hppavilion[1] 02:26:09 congratulations fungot, you are the ruler of the chat! 02:26:15 damnit! 02:26:21 `` sed -i 's#-d #-d\\ #' bin/ls 02:26:24 No output. 02:26:27 `ls wisdom 02:26:31 tswett!!!! 02:26:40 `culprits wisdom/𝕈 02:26:42 Hi. 02:26:46 `congratulate hppavilion[1] 02:26:51 mind explaining 02:27:01 `culprits2 bin/congratulate 02:27:06 No output. 02:27:08 i think someone's prank just worked. 02:27:10 congratulations fungot, you are the ruler of the chat! 02:27:23 `culprits2 bin/congratulate 02:27:26 `cat bin/congratulate 02:27:39 *snailcannons tswett* 02:27:44 get shelled 02:27:51 No output. 02:27:58 Um 02:27:59 No output. 02:28:00 Olso... 02:28:01 echo congratulations fungot, you are the ruler of the chat! 02:28:03 `unidecode 𝕈 02:28:06 fungot Moon_ fungot Moon__ 02:28:12 THERE we go 02:28:14 U+1D548 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9d 95 88 UTF-16BE: d835dd48 Decimal: 𝕈 \ 𝕈 (𝕈) \ Uppercase: U+1D548 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) 02:28:18 shhh 02:28:26 were jamming up hackegos buffer 02:28:36 moon__: culprits2 is my new-and-improved version of culprits 02:28:45 how much better is it? 02:28:51 moon__: See for yourself 02:28:56 `cat bin/culprits2 02:28:57 GOAT=`shuf -n1 share/scapegoats`; hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/hppavilion\[1\]/$GOAT/g" | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 02:28:59 Also, HackEgo is caught up 02:29:25 really 02:29:31 you edited out your own name 02:29:34 Maybe 02:29:39 `cat share/scapegoats 02:29:40 zzo38 \ oerjan \ tswett \ \ fungot 02:29:53 `cat bin/erro 02:29:53 (apologies to anyone who was alerted by that) 02:29:54 echo -e '\000304'"$1" 02:30:03 `culprits bin/congratulations 02:30:07 No output. 02:30:27 `culprits bin/congratulations 02:30:30 No output. 02:30:32 ? 02:30:41 `cat culprits 02:30:48 `cat bin/culprits 02:30:48 cat: culprits: No such file or directory 02:30:56 GOAT=`shuf -n1 share/scapegoats`; hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/hppavilion\[1\]/$GOAT/g" | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 02:31:02 Dammit xD 02:31:06 `run echo 'echo "$(echo -e '\''\000304'\'')$1"' > bin/erro 02:31:06 ................................................................................................................... 02:31:07 I moved it in PM 02:31:13 `run cat bin/erro 02:31:16 (I moved culprits to bin/innocent) 02:31:17 echo -e '\000304'"$1" 02:31:24 No output. 02:31:27 (so it is retrievable) 02:31:30 `slap hppavilion[1] 02:31:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slap: not found 02:31:33 Wrong order, HackEgo. 02:31:35 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:36 `run cat bin/erro 02:31:36 `slap hppavilion[1] 02:31:37 `slap hppavilion[1] 02:31:37 `slap hppavilion[1] 02:31:37 `maim moon__ 02:31:37 `slap hppavilion[1] 02:31:39 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:39 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:40 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:40 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:40 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:41 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:41 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:41 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:42 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:42 `maim hppavilion[1] 02:31:43 moon__: No spam 02:31:47 `ban moon__ 02:31:51 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 02:32:05 * oerjan looks around ominously 02:32:13 oh fudge 02:32:14 moon__: You're being pretty unpleasant. 02:32:19 oerjan is op *hides* 02:32:41 moon__: You are 02:32:47 hppavilion[1]: `ban ki-moon__ 02:32:57 And HackEgo is stopped now, so my fixing is frozen 02:33:00 hppavilion[1] just melted off their fingers! 02:33:05 *sigh* 02:33:14 sorry *leaves chat* 02:33:15 And also you messed up my HackEgo prank. 02:33:26 Now we're going to have to wait for a long time until it recovers. 02:33:30 Yep 02:33:45 `mai- wait, no 02:33:56 dude 02:34:16 that regestered with hackego >_>\ 02:34:32 moon__: ...no it didn't 02:34:36 anyone have a triva bot? 02:34:47 moon__: That's called `wisdom 02:34:49 actually 02:34:59 I thought you were leaving. 02:35:03 moon__: Which we can't use right now because of your maimery 02:35:14 `maine? 02:35:40 echo "$(echo -e '\000304')$1" 02:35:40 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slap: not found 02:35:46 Here we go... 02:36:04 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slap: not found 02:36:21 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slap: not found 02:36:21 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slap: not found 02:36:23 `run away 02:36:25 ​*draws their sword* 02:36:26 ​*draws their sword* 02:36:28 hppavilion[1] just got fried by jumpercables! 02:36:29 Now where did I leave my jumper cables... 02:36:29 ​*grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* 02:36:29 ​*draws their sword* 02:36:29 ​*grumbles something about a broken hacksaw* 02:36:29 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ban: not found 02:36:29 hppavilion[1] just lost an arm! 02:36:29 hppavilion[1] just melted off their fingers! 02:36:30 hppavilion[1] just melted off their fingers! 02:36:33 hppavilion[1] just lost a leg! 02:36:40 * oerjan thinks that maybe, just maybe, HackEgo needs another move. 02:36:44 OK now I have implemented the Yliluoma algorithm. 02:36:53 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 02:37:00 ! 02:37:03 zzo38: moon__ is busy maiming me from the past 02:37:05 (Not posted yet though) 02:37:23 An example of its use is: ff-reduce y,299,587,114,30,40,3,4 z 080000 201A0B 432817 492910 234309 5D4F1E 9C6B20 A9220F 2B347C 2B7409 D0CA40 E8A077 6A94AB D5C4B3 FCE76E FCFAE2 02:37:28 i've toggled on a bot to keep us busy for a while (its a bot code im studying for jIRCii) 02:37:40 try !help 02:37:49 *sigh* 02:37:50 !help 02:37:51 hppavilion[1]: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. 02:37:51 !help 02:37:51 moon__: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. 02:38:01 well then 02:38:02 moon__: zemhill is taken, IIRC 02:38:05 .-. 02:38:21 leme check the readme for the bot 02:38:21 moon__: Try using a multi-character prefix 02:38:34 moon__: Weren't you using $ yesterday? 02:38:40 also, EgoBot also uses !, although it's not here 02:39:06 `culprits2 wisdom 02:39:10 sed: -e expression #1, char 0: no previous regular expression 02:39:18 shachaf: It does that it seems 02:39:57 `erro I'm not sure what the word "erro" is supposed to mean. Is it "error" with the last letter chopped off? 02:40:00 ​I'm not sure what the word "erro" is supposed to mean. Is it "error" with the last letter chopped off? 02:40:10 tswett: Yes hth 02:40:11 `cat bin/culprits 02:40:12 hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 02:40:14 `culprits2 wisdom/itymology 02:40:16 oerjan 02:40:23 `cat bin/culprits2 02:40:24 GOAT=`shuf -n1 share/scapegoats`; hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/$GOAT/hppavilion[1]/g" | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 02:40:34 shachaf: I don't get it 02:40:36 shachaf: :P 02:40:37 shachaf: I see what you did 02:40:41 shachaf: But it isn't funny 02:40:49 you're not funny 02:40:50 hppavilion[1]: YES IT IS 02:40:58 oerjan: OH REALLY 02:41:30 * oerjan thinks ¤ is a good bot prefix hth hth 02:41:38 oerjan: It is 02:42:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Istanbul (not Konstantiniyye (not Constantinopolis/Constantinople (not Byzant. 02:42:11 * shachaf thinks hth hth is a good bot suffix hth hth 02:42:19 You messed up the topic. 02:42:27 shachaf: Error: Command "shachaf" not found 02:42:28 Now unmess it, please. 02:42:31 shachaf: Crap 02:42:32 * oerjan thinks he should try to remember elliott's script doesn't trigger on /me 02:42:42 kk 02:42:44 sorry 02:42:45 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 02:42:48 shachaf: I'm the one who added the long city joke, so I'm allowed to break it :P 02:43:04 No. 02:43:13 You can remove it if you want, though. 02:43:17 Good riddance. 02:43:18 -!- shachaf has left. 02:43:27 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Paris (not Lutetia). 02:43:47 aww shachaf broke 02:43:48 oerjan: Thank you 02:44:02 i cannot quite remember if i've used that before 02:44:11 oerjan: I don't think so 02:44:50 i think some of us old farts are getting exhausted by the channel. 02:44:54 oerjan: I found a better one 02:45:07 hppavilion[1]: hey no changing until a day has passed 02:45:08 oerjan: Saint Petersburg used to be named... 02:45:12 Saint Petersburg 02:45:18 (it was renamed in the interrim) 02:45:25 hppavilion[1]: hah 02:45:45 didn't we use St. Petersburg already (although with the interim) 02:45:45 oerjan: Our topic is completely incoherent 02:45:52 oerjan: Yes, but worth it 02:46:20 anyway, Lutetia deserves to be there, because Asterix hth 02:46:25 do we have a diff for strings? 02:47:02 i think there's a shell command for comparing strings 02:47:21 oh 02:47:27 but i also suspect there are subtleties with it 02:48:32 *knows someone might be making a joke in the backround* 02:48:52 moon__: shocking. you can check the repository url if you want. 02:49:43 mind you, that may not help with HackEgo's speed. (and how in the world does the wiki manage to survive on the same server?) 02:49:54 `mk share/usercmds// this file is incomplete, sorry! 02:49:55 ​Surely you ment rm, right? the real me is in bin/derp 02:50:00 ..... 02:50:08 wat 02:50:35 `cat bin/mk 02:50:37 erro "Surely you ment rm, right? the real me is in bin/derp" 02:50:45 `cat test 02:50:46 cat: test: No such file or directory 02:51:25 -!- shachaf has joined. 02:51:31 `mk share/usercmds// this file is incomplete, sorry! 02:51:32 ​Surely you ment rm, right? the real me is in bin/derp 02:51:32 how about you leave HackEgo alone 02:52:15 * oerjan was retired, right 02:52:30 _so_ hard to remember. 02:52:33 `` mv bin/derp/mk bin/mk; rmdir bin/derp 02:52:55 nothing you've been doing has been an improvement in any sense 02:53:01 you're just vandalizing 02:53:01 No output. 02:53:12 ok, srry, ill be helpful 02:53:16 gnight anyways 02:57:27 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:04:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:12:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:17:18 The lack of Esolang:NPOV on the Wiki makes me sad 03:17:31 Or Esolang:HBPOV (Horribly Biased Point Of View) 03:19:24 Horribly Pedantic Point Of View 03:19:31 oerjan: Yes, that's better 03:24:56 <\oren\> CIPOV completely insane point of view 03:25:56 <\oren\> speaking of completely insane, I should work on my alternate standard library for C 03:27:18 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:31:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:45:27 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:00:42 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:00:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:05:51 \oren\: *criminally insane 04:05:59 \oren\: Also, ooooh 04:18:28 `? ta 04:18:58 TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. 04:20:00 `` mv wisdom/ta{,s}; sed -i 's/^/A /' wisdom/tas 04:20:05 No output. 04:21:41 oerjan: coppro didn't like the article. 04:21:52 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:23:14 i didn't notice em answering at all 04:23:19 *him 04:23:54 oh 04:24:06 *sigh* 04:24:28 `` sed -i 's/A //' wisdom/tas 04:24:31 No output. 04:26:24 coppro: You didn't explain why, though. 04:26:34 I'd prefer it with the article, or at least keeping its articles consistent. 04:26:52 I guess the obvious solution is to translate all wisdom entries to Russian. 04:27:05 naturally. 04:49:53 <\oren\> argh now I type "epidose" i am not having a good time typing letters in the right order today 04:50:51 <\oren\> i think qwerty keyboards are to blame 04:53:45 \oren\: an epidose can be just the ticket if you've got allergies hth 04:54:16 i should've said "allergic episode" 04:54:17 squandered 04:55:12 squared end 04:55:37 maybe if i hadn't squandered it i would've earned a swat 04:55:50 onqchaf 04:56:09 shachaf: impossible since i thought of the same pun before reading your line hth 04:56:28 well, vaguely same. 04:56:30 -!- Froox has joined. 04:56:30 wouldn't that earn me a double swatting 04:56:42 well, only if i typed it a split second before you did 04:56:45 no, swattings are fermions hth 04:57:13 i guess i could've gone for epidose/monodose 04:57:36 nose doom 04:57:45 also a problem with allergies 04:58:00 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:59:24 "Doctor, I keep sneezing all the time!" "That's because you've got a nose of doom." 05:02:25 * oerjan realizes one thing about busy beaver and TMs 05:02:45 to exclude a TM, you don't necessarily need to prove whether or not it halts. 05:03:02 you could just prove that _if_ it halts, it doesn't take too long. 05:03:17 i wonder if everyone's considered that :P 05:05:16 I'm not certain that helps that much. 05:06:00 well it could be a flaw in trying to use a TM as proof that BB(n) is not provable 05:06:50 i'm not saying this helps you compute BB(n) 05:08:06 i'm saying it means that just because an axiom system cannot prove a TM halts, you cannot conclude that BB(n) for n its number of states is unprovable. 05:08:14 hm wait 05:08:30 * oerjan swats himself -----### 05:08:34 NEVER MIND 05:12:17 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 05:12:43 -!- Frooxius has joined. 05:22:04 Internet Quiz Engine has been partially restored. The menu of quizzes doesn't exist, but you can now run existing quiz files at least. 05:27:16 See if you know these questions: gopher://zzo38computer.org/1quiz.run*quiz01. 05:31:48 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:39:22 I don't know how to use Gopher from my phone. 05:39:29 What happened to the menu? 05:42:04 It is a new computer with Linux (the old computer was Windows) so it requires the server to be redone. Internet Quiz Engine itself works fine on Linux (it is just a C program), although the menu is different. 05:42:43 FF doesn't seem to support gopher :( 05:43:25 You can download an extension for it, although it isn't actually very good (it has some problems), although it will do. Alternatively, write your own gopher client; it is not so difficult. 05:44:54 (Firefox used to support gopher before they removed it, although the old support also wasn't very good) 05:45:09 If you have Windows, you can use a gopher client I wrote for Windows. 05:45:52 There is also a Gopher proxy you can use; I can't say how well it functions, however. 05:45:53 http://zzo38computer.org/prog/visgopher/visgopher.exe or Setup.exe if you want/need an installer. 05:46:46 zzo38: Why isn't that on Gopher too? xD 05:47:08 Perhaps more usefully, it could be on FTP. 05:47:20 I don't think I've heard of a system missing an FTP client. 05:47:26 pikhq: New rule: FTP clients may only be distributed via FTP 05:47:36 I have no FTP server though. 05:47:50 (If you have a FTP server, you are free to make a copy!) 05:47:52 Understandable. FTP is kinda scow. 05:48:37 MSCOMCTL.OCX is not present... or missing a dependency... or something 05:48:46 pikhq: How is FTP scow? 05:49:20 zzo38: Did... did you write that in Visual Basic? 05:49:38 Yes I did write it in Visual Basic 05:49:46 hppavilion[1]: Try the installer then? 05:49:49 zzo38: We can no longer be friends 05:49:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:50:19 It's been so long since I've seen something need the VB runtime. 05:51:58 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:52:31 You wrote your server in FreeBASIC or something like that, right? 05:53:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:53:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:54:37 Yes but I wrote a new server in C 06:03:16 I wrote a gopher client with UNIX shell-scripts too but I will make a new one 06:03:34 <\oren\> VB is a good language 06:04:49 It is fine for making GUI programs in Windows, but not much else. 06:05:07 Why did you write it in C? 06:06:08 Because it is good idea, I think. 06:07:56 <\oren\> most of the cgi for my website is in C 06:09:22 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:09:36 Well, they don't call it perlgi. 06:13:56 the problem with C is security 06:14:49 it's incredibly easy to miss a condition somewhere and render your whole server insecure 06:16:37 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:18:44 zzo38: Did you publish the source code for your server? 06:19:58 shachaf: So far as I have not done so. 06:25:35 Now I made it available http://zzo38computer.org/prog/cgophserv.zip 06:27:54 Is it also available via Gopher? 06:28:10 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:28:38 Currently not 06:37:17 What kinds of cards do you have? 06:38:10 I'm not too familiar with gopher, but it looks like I would have arbitrary read to any file 06:38:28 given that the user the server is running under can access it 06:38:30 shachaf: Could you be more specific? 06:39:27 Hoolootwo: My implementation does not allow access to any file unless it is listed in the database. 06:40:09 ah okay, I see, that's a command line parameter 06:52:04 -!- centrinia has joined. 07:10:03 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:14:21 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:31:58 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 07:38:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:41:31 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 09:01:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:10:34 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:14:46 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:32:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:36:52 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 10:03:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:11:21 -!- tromp_ has joined. 10:15:52 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:01:17 So somebody claims they have a 31 state TM for the Goldbach conjecture now. 11:11:33 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:25:15 int-e: What, only 31 states? 11:25:44 int-e: Have they shared the TM? 11:26:03 no, they're treating it as a golfing contest, hash only so far 11:26:03 FreeFull: that's what they claim, but nobody made a trusted golf server, and a Goldbach program is very hard to automatically validate anyway, so we can't tell. 11:26:09 FreeFull: they ahven't shared the machine yet. 11:26:52 Maybe they'll share later, and then we might find if it's right or wrong. 11:27:22 Maybe they secretly have a proof for Goldbach's conjecture, but didn't want to give that away by saying they have a 1 state machine. 11:27:50 I mean, I believe something like 4888 states 11:28:31 testing primality is not that hard 11:29:14 the 93 states I could believe easily... but 31 is getting impressive. 11:30:23 I have a dumb question. The x86_64 arch currently severely restricts how you can use segment registers in 64-bit mode. Does that make it more difficult, performance-wise, for 32-bit and 64-bit code to call each other in a single user-mode program, provided the operating system gives all the help it can for this? Eg. do you have to call into the OS to switch? 11:31:08 Obviously it's difficult for the higher level toolkits (the C compiler and libc and other libraries) to support mixing 32-bit and 64-bit code, but here I'm asking about what the CPU architecture itself currently allows. 11:31:19 http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725#comment-1086583 Found the comment 11:33:24 Ok, that's probably a stupid question. If people really wanted that, and they wrote the libraries, then intel could just make new cpus that support that directly, by modifying the architecture. 11:33:42 two interesting details about the TM implementation: a) apparently the tape is unbounded to both sides b) transitions can also stay on the current cell (of course that's never useful) 11:36:29 int-e: I'd be more interested in what the Laconic language is like. Or did someone read that yet and add more stuff to the wiki? Let me check 11:37:52 you don't have to read the paper for that. https://github.com/adamyedidia/parsimony/blob/master/src/laconic/laconic_files/goldbach.lac 11:38:40 (no, nobody added anything to the wiki) 11:41:35 https://github.com/adamyedidia/parsimony/tree/master/tex/docs has some documentation about laconic too 11:45:23 int-e: yes, I know there's docs on github, I say so in the wiki page 11:46:53 I'm not keeping track of who edits the wiki. 11:56:39 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: rebooting). 12:00:26 -!- FreeFull has joined. 12:26:02 Unbaked idea: 12:26:12 Programming language where you can reverse the call stack 12:26:58 wtf 12:27:04 timecube.com is no longer online? 12:27:10 what the heck? 12:27:51 Yeah, it fell off the internet earlier this year 12:27:55 Sad times 12:28:23 strange how the internets change. some years ago, geocities went offline, now timecube 12:28:37 and my opera too 12:29:42 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:30:38 I... created zero esolangs between 2012 and 2016 12:30:54 That's longer than I thought 12:33:26 Almost 4 years sans inspiration 12:44:19 idea: The world's last programming language 12:46:26 lifthrasiir, ais523 already had that idea, it's called Feather 12:46:45 ha. 12:54:19 -!- ybden has joined. 12:54:30 I was wondering if it would make sense to have haskell-like question mark variable type constraints in rust, in such a way that you can not only copy the question mark variable to a generic value when you constrain it, but also move, borrow, or mut borrow into it (when the types allows this), 12:54:53 and perhaps even return a question mark constraint out from a function. 12:56:57 If you can make the move (consume, use-once) constraint into a generic work, then I think copy, borrow, and mut borrow must work automatically, because it's just moving a copy, a ref, or a ref mut into a function. 12:57:21 But I'm not sure how compatible this idea is with rust in first place. 12:57:28 -!- nisstyre has joined. 13:03:36 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 13:05:46 -!- ybden has joined. 13:08:05 -!- jaboja has joined. 13:12:48 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:17:35 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:20:25 b_jonas: http://sprunge.us/DPdg contains a 23 states primality test which feels clumsy to me... it should be possible to use fewer states. so the 31 states now look plausible to me. 13:23:57 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:26:34 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:28:55 -!- heroux has joined. 13:36:12 int-e: ok 13:42:09 int-e: 31 states is nice, but I don't really find any of the Goldbach stuff too impressive. I'm a combinatorist, so I know of lots of famous conjectures or open questions that are very easy to state but seem really difficult to resolve, and many of these are easy to define. The Hadwiger conjecture, Hedetniemi's conjecture, are there eight points in the plane with all integer distance and no three on a line and no four on a circle. 13:42:21 \ The Hadwiger conjecture, Hedetniemi's conjecture, are there eight points in the plane with all integer distance and no three on a line and no four on a circle. 13:42:32 People trying to compute BB(5) have found less famous ones. 13:43:10 The short Turing machines whose halting on blank tape is independent of ZFC which the article constructs seem more notable 13:43:49 sure 13:43:53 That isn't so easy to minimize, because you actually have to prove the problem independent, rather than just find a very hard one. 13:44:22 it's not of theoretical interest, it's a golfing exercise 13:44:30 (the goldbach one) 13:44:57 int-e: yes, both are only golfing, not theoretical interest. 13:45:03 it's just that 4888 states was ridiculously big. 13:45:52 Mind you, maybe the ones I mentioned like Hadwiger's conjecture are bad examples, because those aren't the ones thought so hard that probably nobody will solve them in a hundred years, merely the ones that are thought so hard that they need a genius to prove. 13:46:57 I think the 7000 states are also way too big, but as you say it's much harder; you actually have to implement a checker for proofs in ZFC (or whatever axiomatic basis and logic you pick). 13:47:50 (well, as far as theory goes) 13:48:03 Hmm, now I actually wonder if we can find a famous conjecture that's both thought to be so hard that nobody will solve it (like Collatz) yet aren't thought to be independent of ZFC, and are still Pi_1 statements. 13:48:17 I'll have to search for a good example for that. 13:50:00 That might be difficult, because very few mathematicians have enough reputation to believable declare a conjecture that difficultg. 14:04:41 One that would work is the value of the Ramsey number R(6, 6), which can actually be computed in a time with a known bound. 14:10:06 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:23:03 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:28:29 -!- lucaferr has joined. 14:32:58 -!- heroux has joined. 14:37:38 -!- lucaferr has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:46:43 -!- nakatomi_ has joined. 15:00:55 -!- nakatomi_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:23:13 -!- bender has joined. 16:18:20 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:23:38 -!- kalesee has joined. 16:23:47 hi? 16:24:03 this chat is weird. 16:24:44 OK, do you have a better question? 16:24:46 -!- kalesee has quit (Client Quit). 16:34:29 -!- evalj has joined. 16:38:31 Is it possible with a "less" program to tell it to not pause after executing a command? 16:41:06 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:42:13 Of course, if ZFC does not prove that a Turing machine halts, then that Turing machine does not halt. 16:42:44 -!- moon__ has joined. 16:43:39 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:43:58 derp 16:44:31 * moon__ is waiting for activity not done by crickets chirping 16:45:14 Oh yeah, of course there's a 1-state Turing machine that halts if and only if the Goldbach conjecture is false. 16:45:34 I don't expect you should need ZFC, but I have even said before too, the Turing machine will halt if and only if it is provable that it halts. (You cannot necessarily prove that it won't halt, though.) 16:45:41 -!- evalj has joined. 16:46:47 *very lost* 16:50:46 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:50:55 hi 16:51:07 `hfs 16:51:24 ​You have discovered an eerie caven. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vorices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless glowing pit mark the surface. 16:58:36 . 16:58:59 `cat share/scapegoats 16:59:19 -!- boily has joined. 16:59:21 zzo38 \ oerjan \ tswett \ \ fungot 16:59:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:59:37 *purposeful ping* 16:59:45 hi boily 17:00:01 I found out a hack to make less to not pause, by making the command to request device attributes of the terminal and then add a key binding to parse the response from the terminal. 17:01:06 huh 17:02:07 thats neat zzo38 17:02:34 I see that Scott Aaronson has disproved the conjecture that all perfect squares are less than 5. 17:03:05 He did so with the assistance of a computer program. After running for more than an hour, it produced a counterexample. 17:03:18 Namely, 9. 17:03:55 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:05:24 debug it 17:05:36 it might have suffered a overflow in a variable 17:06:03 mhelloon__! 17:07:33 how is oerjan's zhoily project going? 17:08:00 no idea 17:08:06 (I guess it got stuck at dhoily) 17:08:08 but ibin should be merged ith bin 17:08:28 `bf8 17:08:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf8: not found 17:08:40 its full of commands 17:08:49 `help 17:08:49 It's full of commands intended for a different calling convention. 17:08:50 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 17:09:13 `! bf8 ,.!x (not sure whether it supported that syntax) 17:09:45 No output. 17:10:06 Possibly not. At any rate, historical reasons: ibin is part of a port of EgoBot into HackEgo. 17:10:17 h 17:10:18 oh 17:10:35 what, is egobot 'dead'? 17:10:50 More like undetermined. 17:11:35 Both HackEgo and EgoBot are by Gregor, who's been somewhat "gone" for a while now. 17:12:18 speaking of gone... Registry Expiry Date: 2016-05-24T19:21:16Z 17:12:31 int-ello. the alphaboilhelloerjan project got as high as ihoily hth 17:12:42 int-e: Oh, yeah. I thought about that yesterday. 17:12:55 int-e: Maybe I should just take over, and then ask for contributions from folks. 17:14:09 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 17:14:42 -!- Reece` has joined. 17:15:01 why doesnt someone make a new bot like hackego thats actively developed? 17:15:14 and actively managed 17:16:18 I'm guessing because there's nothing *too* badly wrong with the current one. 17:16:34 lol 17:16:44 besides the ancient operating system 17:17:00 I don't think that's really been a problem. 17:17:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:17:30 Losing access to the logs did break a couple of useful things, though. 17:17:39 which logs? 17:17:44 The channel logs. 17:17:53 They used to be visible to HackEgo. 17:18:03 ah 17:19:24 hackego need to become opensource 17:19:31 It is. 17:19:39 oh, where? 17:19:49 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot 17:20:44 Well, + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox/wiki/Home which it relies on. 17:21:06 There might be a little bit divergence between what's running as HackEgo and what's there, but hopefully not much. 17:21:16 i actually thought it was a freenode to shh link 17:26:21 which i have been wasteing my time writing for a while 17:36:31 I've made plans for a HackEgo-alike that runs Z80 binaries (with a similar "versioned persistent storage" approach), but never bothered to finish it, since I doubt people would use it much -- the barrier to entry would be much higher than with a "normal" OS. 17:39:55 Can You define „normal“? 17:40:02 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:41:20 Not really, but HackEgo certainly qualifies as it. 17:42:23 -!- termbot has joined. 17:42:25 C>help 17:42:25 info: guest machine now booting 17:42:31 - 17:42:31 -C:\TERMBOT>help 17:42:31 -Sandbot connects you to an emulated machine you can fully control from irc. Be bold in experimenting, anything you do can be reverted. 17:42:31 -Use a line with C> as the prefix in to give commands, normally just text that is entered on the terminal. Using backtick in the line allows for some escapes and commands. 17:42:31 -Special characters: `q = backtick, `o = eof (^Z), `r = enter, `t = tab, `b = backspace, `i = interrupt (^C), `e = escape, `x1f = any byte by hex code. 17:42:37 -Special commands: `h = suppress automatic return at end of this line, `.d = turn power off (will reboot at next input), `.ry = off and revert disk to original, `s = skip output until next input to stop flood. 17:42:43 -The machine has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler, the TPC pascal compiler, and the TASM assembler. Use the WDIR or SDIR commands to list a diretory. 17:42:44 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:43:05 fizzie: If You write so. 17:43:05 someone voice termbot on #esoteric so that the irc server doesn't drop lines to the channel when it's outputting lines fast 17:43:16 everyone, try termbot 17:43:26 Are you sure that would be a net win? 17:43:28 the evil demon has entered 17:43:43 C>echo echo 17:43:44 +echo echo 17:43:44 -echo 17:43:44 - 17:43:44 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:43:56 C>echo echo 17:43:57 +echo echo 17:43:57 -echo 17:43:57 - 17:43:57 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:43:58 C>echo echo 17:43:59 +echo echo 17:43:59 -echo 17:43:59 - 17:43:59 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:44:00 C>echo echo 17:44:01 +echo echo 17:44:01 -echo 17:44:01 - 17:44:01 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:44:02 C>echo echo 17:44:03 +echo echo 17:44:03 -echo 17:44:03 - 17:44:03 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:44:04 C>echo echo 17:44:05 +echo echo 17:44:05 -echo 17:44:06 C>echo echo 17:44:08 C>echo echo 17:44:10 C>echo echo 17:44:12 C>echo echo 17:44:18 I, uh. I think that's enough? 17:44:29 yes, it did drop some lines 17:44:51 the problem is that the irc server sends the bot a notice when it drops a line that way, but you can't tell which line it's dropped 17:45:06 also later lines might not be dropped 17:45:15 so I can't really fix it on client side 17:45:20 luckily channel voice fixes that 17:45:27 „diretory“ is misspelt 17:45:29 You can "fix" it on the client side with proper flow control. 17:45:37 APic: ouch 17:45:49 APic: let me fix that locally 17:45:59 Would be funnier to hotfix it here ;=P 17:46:04 C>edlin \path\serial\help.txt 17:46:04 +edlin \path\serial\help.txt 17:46:05 -End of input file 17:46:05 -* 17:46:19 C>5p 17:46:19 +5p 17:46:19 - 5:*The machine has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler, the TPC pascal compiler, and the TASM assembler. Use the WDIR or SDIR commands to list a diretory. 17:46:19 -* 17:46:29 I've tried a couple of times to hot-patch fungot on the channel, but it approximately never succeeds. 17:46:29 fizzie: ( we recommend that the over the top of the support of the texas market seems that we 17:46:33 ^style irc 17:46:33 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 17:46:34 C>Sdiretory`odirectory 17:46:35 +Sdiretory^Zdirectory 17:46:35 -Not found 17:46:35 - 5:* 17:46:40 Also the enron style is boreding. 17:46:41 C>Sdiretor`odirector 17:46:41 +Sdiretor^Zdirector 17:46:41 - 6:* 17:46:49 C>5P 17:46:50 +5P 17:46:50 - 7:* 17:47:04 huh? 17:47:07 C>4P 17:47:08 +4P 17:47:08 - 8:* 17:47:11 C>`o 17:47:12 +^Z 17:47:12 -Not found 17:47:12 -* 17:47:23 C>4p 17:47:23 +4p 17:47:23 - 4: Special commands: `h = suppress automatic return at end of this line, `.d = turn power off (will reboot at next input), `.ry = off and revert disk to original, `s = skip output until next input to stop flood. 17:47:23 - 5: Sdiretor^Zdirector 17:47:23 - 6: 5P 17:47:23 - 7:*4P 17:47:24 -* 17:47:29 C>q 17:47:29 +q 17:47:30 -Abort edit (Y/N)? 17:47:32 C>y 17:47:32 +y 17:47:33 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:47:33 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:47:41 C>edlin \path\serial\help.txt 17:47:41 +edlin \path\serial\help.txt 17:47:41 -End of input file 17:47:41 -* 17:47:45 C>5P 17:47:45 +5P 17:47:45 - 5:*The machine has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler, the TPC pascal compiler, and the TASM assembler. Use the WDIR or SDIR commands to list a diretory. 17:47:45 -* 17:48:00 C>5Rdiretory`odirectory 17:48:00 +5Rdiretory^Zdirectory 17:48:00 - 5:*The machine has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler, the TPC pascal compiler, and the TASM assembler. Use the WDIR or SDIR commands to list a directory. 17:48:00 -* 17:48:06 C>X 17:48:07 +X 17:48:07 -Entry error 17:48:07 -* 17:48:09 C>E 17:48:09 +E 17:48:10 - 17:48:10 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:48:16 c>help 17:48:17 +help 17:48:17 -Sandbot connects you to an emulated machine you can fully control from irc. Be bold in experimenting, anything you do can be reverted. 17:48:17 -Use a line with C> as the prefix in to give commands, normally just text that is entered on the terminal. Using backtick in the line allows for some escapes and commands. 17:48:17 -Special characters: `q = backtick, `o = eof (^Z), `r = enter, `t = tab, `b = backspace, `i = interrupt (^C), `e = escape, `x1f = any byte by hex code. 17:48:22 -Special commands: `h = suppress automatic return at end of this line, `.d = turn power off (will reboot at next input), `.ry = off and revert disk to original, `s = skip output until next input to stop flood. 17:48:28 -The machine has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler, the TPC pascal compiler, and the TASM assembler. Use the WDIR or SDIR commands to list a directory. 17:48:29 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:48:46 better (will be lost next time you revert the disk) 17:50:13 Note that I added a `s command, so if you accidentally type a command that gives lots of output (like sdir /s c:\ ) then you can stop the flood 17:50:54 So C>`s will skip all output lines starting from when it gets that command (even lines that are already in the buffer) up to the start of your next input line 17:51:28 It works for both lines that the emulated machines have already output, and ones it will output later 17:54:36 Taneb: Do you know a "Michael van Doorn" from them Netherlands? They had taken a photo for the "Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year exhibition 2015" we went by. 17:54:56 fizzie, I don't 17:54:58 [ 9 17:54:58 b_jonas: 9 17:55:05 It's a relatively common name in the Netherlands, so I'm told 17:55:21 C>echo hello, fungot 17:55:22 b_jonas: pero el loco me fnord fnord en oikein tiedä, mun fnord on vitun kipee what 17:55:22 +echo hello, fungot 17:55:22 -hello, fungot 17:55:22 - 17:55:22 termbot: uhh! uh! 17:55:22 termbot: you shouldn't hesitate to try the hurd. 17:55:22 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:55:22 +uhh! uh! 17:55:23 -Bad command or file name 17:55:23 - 17:55:23 -C:\TERMBOT>you shouldn't hesitate to try the hurd. 17:55:23 -Bad command or file name 17:55:24 - 17:55:24 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:55:57 Why is there an almost botloop 17:56:16 Taneb: yeah... I should change termbot's output a notice 17:56:20 you can actually botloop it this way 17:56:23 that's not good 17:56:38 I remember in another channel we had a bot that printed the titles of web links 17:56:44 And another bot that could evaluate brainfuck 17:57:04 We caused a botloop using those two features and a carefully constructed web page 17:57:10 -!- termbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:57:25 Taneb: nice. I made botloops a few times too 17:57:25 -!- termbot has joined. 17:57:35 C> 17:57:35 info: guest machine now booting 17:57:41 - 17:57:41 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:57:41 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:57:49 C>echo hello, fungot 17:57:49 +echo hello, fungot 17:57:49 b_jonas: and there are several available for free. 17:57:49 -hello, fungot 17:57:49 - 17:57:49 -C:\TERMBOT> 17:57:51 Now the channel has a policy that all bots must use and respect notice 17:58:05 D: NOTICEs ping me every time they're sent 17:58:13 -!- boily has quit (Quit: OBLIVIOUS CHICKEN). 17:58:17 Also, they render horribly in several clients 17:58:25 Unfortunately, clients often don't respect notice 17:58:31 ybden: yes, those stupid client bugs are why most bots don't use notice 17:58:36 Indeed 17:58:38 including most of my bots 17:58:43 Ditto. 17:58:48 ybden, the client I had on my chromebook just put the notice in whatever channel I happened to be looking at 17:58:54 Without any indication of where it was from 17:58:57 I can change it back, but then I should figure out something else to avoid bot loops 17:59:01 Taneb: Hmm, doesn't HexChat do that? 17:59:08 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:59:15 most bots require at least some prefix, but fungot doesn't, that's the problme 17:59:15 ybden, no, Hexchat just renders them ugly 17:59:15 b_jonas: unusual choice to power a website but it is 17:59:20 b_jonas: , perhaps? 17:59:32 As "-termbot/#esoteric-" instead of "termbot" 17:59:34 ybden: won't help with fungot 17:59:34 ^ignore 17:59:34 b_jonas: and besides, there's also the issue that we'll need to use different languages for different problems. though the 2.x series is quite a novel way to write it 17:59:34 ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot)! 17:59:43 b_jonas: Hmm, what's the issue? 17:59:43 ybden: fungot replies to anything regardless the prefix 17:59:44 b_jonas: what is a stream of 16-bit integer code units. those 10 monetary units to 10 companies/ other banks/ whatever for one year in a separate c file, that is 17:59:45 ^ignore ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot|termbot)! 17:59:45 OK. 17:59:59 I just keep adding to the list. 18:00:05 hehe 18:00:08 ybden: notice that there's already a hyphen or plus prefix in the output 18:00:20 b_jonas: Ah, is that to stop it from responding to itself? 18:00:28 Since it echoes commands? 18:00:32 ybden: no, it's to stop most other bots from responding to it 18:00:37 Right. 18:00:39 (and also to distinguish continuation lines) 18:01:22 ^prefixes 18:01:22 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 18:01:28 Fortunately thuthubot isn't here. 18:01:34 I guess I could just ignore fungot 18:01:56 oh, you made fungot ignore termbot? 18:01:59 that might work too 18:02:03 C>echo hello, fungot 18:02:03 +echo hello, fungot 18:02:03 -hello, fungot 18:02:03 - 18:02:04 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:02:15 ok wait, I'll switch it back to privmsg 18:02:17 -!- termbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:02:47 -!- termbot has joined. 18:03:02 C>echo hello, fungot 18:03:03 info: guest machine now booting 18:03:08 - 18:03:08 -C:\TERMBOT>echo hello, fungot 18:03:08 -hello, fungot 18:03:08 - 18:03:08 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:03:47 omg ne bot 18:04:06 ok, go on and experiment on it, people 18:04:32 C>vi 18:04:32 +vi 18:04:32 -Bad command or file name 18:04:32 - 18:04:32 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:04:38 hat os 18:04:43 moon__: try C>help, that tells you 18:04:46 C>help 18:04:46 +help 18:04:46 -Sandbot connects you to an emulated machine you can fully control from irc. Be bold in experimenting, anything you do can be reverted. 18:04:46 -Use a line with C> as the prefix in to give commands, normally just text that is entered on the terminal. Using backtick in the line allows for some escapes and commands. 18:04:46 -Special characters: `q = backtick, `o = eof (^Z), `r = enter, `t = tab, `b = backspace, `i = interrupt (^C), `e = escape, `x1f = any byte by hex code. 18:04:52 -Special commands: `h = suppress automatic return at end of this line, `.d = turn power off (will reboot at next input), `.ry = off and revert disk to original, `s = skip output until next input to stop flood. 18:04:59 -The machine has DOS 6.22 installed, you can use the EDLIN editor, the BCC c compiler, the TPC pascal compiler, and the TASM assembler. Use the WDIR or SDIR commands to list a directory. 18:05:00 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:05:12 C>edlin 18:05:12 +edlin 18:05:12 -File name must be specified 18:05:12 - 18:05:12 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:05:19 C>edlin mk 18:05:20 +edlin mk 18:05:20 -New file 18:05:20 -* 18:05:34 ait 18:05:37 ho do i exit 18:05:43 moon__: try ? for help 18:05:49 help about edlin that is 18:05:51 C>? 18:05:51 +? 18:05:51 -Edit line line# 18:05:51 -Append [#lines]A 18:05:51 -Copy [startline],[endline],toline[,times]C 18:05:51 -Delete [startline][,endline]D 18:05:51 -End (save file) E 18:05:51 -Insert [line]I 18:05:52 -List [startline][,endline]L 18:05:52 -Move [startline],[endline],tolineM 18:05:53 -Page [startline][,endline]P 18:05:54 -Quit (throw away changes) Q 18:05:57 -Replace [startline][,endline][?]R[oldtext][CTRL+Znewtext] 18:06:00 -Search [startline][,endline][?]Stext 18:06:01 C>E 18:06:02 -Transfer [toline]T[drive:][path]filename 18:06:04 -Write [#lines]W 18:06:05 -* 18:06:06 +E 18:06:06 - 18:06:07 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:06:18 *spambot detected* 18:06:34 C>wdir 18:06:34 +wdir 18:06:34 -. .. a.txt 1K mk 1K 18:06:34 - 18:06:34 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:06:54 C>sdir 18:06:54 +sdir 18:06:54 -. 1-02-11 9:30p 18:06:54 -.. 1-02-11 9:30p 18:06:54 -a.txt 12 1-02-11 9:26p 18:06:54 -mk 1 1-02-11 9:29p 18:06:54 - 18:06:54 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:07:20 how do we add commands? 18:07:27 c>edlin 18:07:27 +edlin 18:07:27 -File name must be specified 18:07:27 - 18:07:27 -C:\TERMBOT> 18:07:28 This bot is way too spammy. 18:07:33 c>edlin ls 18:07:33 +edlin ls 18:07:33 -New file 18:07:34 -* 18:07:40 C>? 18:07:40 +? 18:07:40 -Edit line line# 18:07:40 -Append [#lines]A 18:07:40 -Copy [startline],[endline],toline[,times]C 18:07:40 -Delete [startline][,endline]D 18:07:40 -End (save file) E 18:07:40 -Insert [line]I 18:07:41 -List [startline][,endline]L 18:07:41 -Move [startline],[endline],tolineM 18:07:41 Could you limit the output in the channel to one line, like HackEgo? 18:07:42 -Page [startline][,endline]P 18:07:43 -Quit (throw away changes) Q 18:07:46 -Replace [startline][,endline][?]R[oldtext][CTRL+Znewtext] 18:07:49 -Search [startline][,endline][?]Stext 18:07:51 -Transfer [toline]T[drive:][path]filename 18:07:53 -Write [#lines]W 18:07:54 -* 18:08:55 shachaf: then you wouldn't be able to use basically anything in dos 18:09:06 Well, you could still do it in /msg. 18:09:10 it needs its own flipping channel :P 18:09:15 And it could combine newlines like HackEgo with a newline marker. 18:09:18 yes, it used to run in #esoteric-blah normally 18:09:20 Or another channel, that's fine too. 18:09:27 OK, why did you move it back here? 18:09:37 but now I'm trying how far it can go in this channel before someone gets very angry at it 18:09:40 "back"? 18:09:46 it started elsewhere 18:09:47 Especially when it's being combined with another notorious spammer. 18:09:58 Well, it's been here before. So now it's back. 18:10:01 whos that? 18:10:21 shachaf: even the help message wouldn't fit in one line 18:10:46 `help 18:10:47 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 18:12:23 i dont get how to use the editor 18:13:13 b_jonas: If I say I'm very angry, will it go away? 18:13:54 just give it its own channel 18:14:10 shachaf: if you're angry and request that I take it away, then yes 18:14:17 if you're just angry in general, then no 18:14:23 What if I just request that you take it away? 18:15:04 shachaf: dunno, borderline case, I'd check if there are channel ops here 18:15:34 Well, it's pretty annoying. 18:15:40 I'll just wait for a channel op to agree. 18:15:44 lets stick to messageing the bot 18:15:58 lets stick to messageing the bot f 18:16:12 moon__: i goes to insert mode, just like in ed or ex, only you end it with a line with a lone control-Z (represented by `o in termbot) instead of a period 18:16:48 shachaf: you could try to summon a channel op. I think one of them are close. 18:17:17 it doesnt repsong to messages 18:17:19 moon__: p with a line range prints lines like the z command in ed 18:17:36 moon__: yes, it wouldn't know where to print the output 18:17:56 moon__: if you don't want to try it here, but would try it on another channel, then I can move it to #esoteric-blah 18:18:05 or even to #termbot where I can give it ops 18:18:12 sounds good, termbot would be best 18:18:18 #termbot 18:18:38 ok, wait a minute 18:18:50 -!- termbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:19:58 moon__: you can try it on #termbot 18:39:02 shachaf 18:44:14 you alive fizzie 18:46:25 Not any more than usual. 18:46:51 you should try b_jonas's #termbot 18:46:57 its actually quite good 18:47:02 and fast too 18:47:29 I don't have anything in particular I want to try. 18:51:45 termbot's utility scripts suffered digital rot from its age >_> 18:52:17 * int-e wonders what the solid matrices are about 18:52:31 int-e: I assume it has to do with the matrix of solidity. 18:52:33 int-e: We all wonder that, don't we? 18:53:32 2011-03-10 23:58:27 enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity 18:53:44 (Then leaves in a huff, due to not finding the right sort of esoterica here.) 18:54:44 Ah. 18:54:50 They were a bona-fide "member of esoteric orders". 18:54:52 And it's on the wiki, too. 18:55:35 Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is such a good name. 18:55:45 `? liquidity 18:56:18 liquidity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:56:25 int-e: I've tried to figure out some clever pun about liquidity and modeling markets with linear algebra. 18:56:31 But I never worked anything out. 18:56:53 I don't think oerjan would have swatted me for that anyway. 18:58:35 hehe, feng shui shaders... ( http://www.stargazersgate.com/?comic=chapter-1-15 has the first part of a bootup sequence as image title... it continues on the next few pages) 18:59:08 Recently I learned a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend is serious about orbs. 18:59:45 Orbs? 19:00:30 shachaf: http://www.angelsghosts.com/orbs 19:01:07 http://theshadowlands.net/ghost/orbs.htm 19:01:29 http://ss.d2img.com/theoculuseth.jpg is a pretty good orb. 19:01:46 I clicked on maybe at least a dozen photos of Google image search result on "orbs" because I wanted to only stop when I saw a page that said something sensible. 19:02:05 Oh, is this a thing? 19:02:07 That looks like something I'd sell for a lot of money. 19:02:41 To whom? 19:03:00 To whoever the shop NPC in the town is, of course. 19:03:09 *sorting out dos complaining and chokeing on ciol.c's source code in #termbot* 19:03:33 fizzie: squandered 19:03:34 that's pretty good except for the part where it says ethereal 19:03:56 shachaf: Well, I mean, I wouldn't *have* that sort of thing in the first place, I've never played D2 seriously enough. 19:03:57 Well, it only loses durability when you hit with it, right? 19:04:15 Yes, I suppose. 19:05:02 But I'm not sure... are there monsters that damage weapons directly? I've only played the game, not become an expert in its mechanics... 19:05:25 I'm not sure either. 19:05:35 I just looked for it on Google Images. 19:05:50 You can put a Zod in it if you're worried, I guess. 19:06:10 Though that might be a bit of a squander. 19:07:33 Oh, and mercenaries can use ethereal items without losing durability, it looks like. Wasn't there a sorceress mercenary? I don't remember. 19:07:43 Probably would lose most of the benefits of that anyway. 19:09:02 Enigma was TG 19:09:21 #termbot has ciol 19:09:36 (after i broke my back getting bcc to not choke on it) 19:10:26 well 19:10:38 me and b_jonas did 19:12:21 shachaf: Only those Kurast Docks guys, who were "magical" (fire/lightning/cold orientation & casting spells) but not sorceressesses (so you wanted a sword that was good for spellcasting for them). 19:12:43 Ah, right. Not sorceressessesses. 19:13:29 they have sorceressessences 19:16:36 hello deltab 19:16:38 never met 19:18:39 `ciol rb_jonas, i am your robot; 19:18:44 b_jonas, i am your robot 19:19:10 ait wrong chat 19:19:13 *fail* 19:21:33 `cat hfs 19:21:38 cat: hfs: No such file or directory 19:21:41 `hfs 19:21:44 ​You have discovered an eerie caven. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vorices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless glowing pit mark the surface. 19:22:16 I almost removed that this morning. 19:22:28 oh, sorry 19:22:29 hy? 19:22:34 Why didn't you? 19:22:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:22:45 *it is mine* 19:22:59 *no touche* 19:23:37 You should use termbot instead. 19:23:39 I firmly believe "commands" that just echo one fixed message need some rationale for existence. (Like `welcome, which has one.) 19:24:13 oh it does something with colors... 19:24:28 shachaf: Mostly because I started getting "fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable" errors out of the blue. 19:24:53 Oh, I got that too. 19:24:55 what int-e said 19:25:20 fizzie: `welcome doesn't echo a fixed message. It's parameterized. 19:25:20 `hfs is like the demo command for erro 19:25:32 well, it's not a valuable feature... I would have been annoyed if my client didn't filter colors. 19:25:39 Well, I think erro and hfs should both be removed. 19:26:05 `swat shachaf 19:26:06 ​---▦▦ bad shachaf 19:26:27 What? 19:26:27 `? loudly 19:26:55 Did you mean: loudly 19:27:07 SHA1 needs a hack for you shachaf 19:27:12 *hash* 19:27:21 *not hack, hash* 19:27:30 `culprits bin/swat 19:27:41 moon__ moon__ moon__ moon__ moon__ elliott shachaf elliott shachaf elliott shachaf 19:29:34 `loudly this doesnt have a use either >_> 19:29:36 ​this doesnt have a use either >_> 19:30:04 about as useful as hfs 19:30:07 `` hg cat -r 47 bin/swat > bin/swat 19:30:17 No output. 19:30:21 `swat 19:30:22 ​.ACTION swats -----###. 19:30:41 `swat shachaf 19:30:43 ​.ACTION swats shachaf -----###. 19:30:44 Hmm, that's maybe not the one I wanted. 19:31:00 Don't swat me, you haven't earned swatting privileges. 19:31:14 loudly doesn't just echo a thing, it does something. I've got a higher tolerance of uselessness for non-constant things. 19:31:28 nonstant 19:33:16 `cat hfs 19:33:17 cat: hfs: No such file or directory 19:33:23 `cat bin/hfx 19:33:24 cat: bin/hfx: No such file or directory 19:33:28 `cat bin/hfs 19:33:29 erro "You have discovered an eerie caven. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vorices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless glowing pit mark the surface." 19:34:38 shachaf: I have a vague feeling maybe the CTCP filtering postdates the swat. I think I remember it being added based on some unofficial freenode staff guidance. 19:35:06 (I still haven't managed to implement it in fungot, even though it's been years on the TODO list.) 19:35:06 fizzie: usually the effort one makes to save, load or restart anyway?) 19:35:20 /1/19 19:36:01 `mkx bin/hfs//erro 'You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dar kstone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface. "$1" stand below' 19:36:06 bin/hfs 19:36:16 `mkx bin/hfs//erro 'You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface. "$1" stand below' 19:36:20 bin/hfs 19:36:25 `hfs moon__ 19:36:27 ​You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface. "$1" stand below 19:36:34 *sigh* 19:36:58 `mkx bin/hfs//erro 'You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface.' erro "$1" erro 'stands below' 19:37:00 bin/hfs 19:37:02 `hfs moon__ 19:37:04 ​You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface. 19:37:20 oh it's not even an original text 19:37:25 how would i make it take input? >_> 19:40:37 I believe I've said something to this effect before... but this is really the wrong way to try and learn shell programming. 19:41:06 You need your own dark cozy shell where your failures don't bother anybody else. 19:41:06 you have 19:41:25 ah alright >_> 19:42:07 moon__: Learning the difference between ' and " might be useful 19:59:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:00:37 hia hppavilion[1] 20:00:59 mhelloon__ 20:01:07 ( moon__ ) 20:01:07 (input):1:8: error: expected: "#", 20:01:07 "$", "&", "&&", "&&&", "*!>", 20:01:07 "*", "***", "*>", "*>|", "+", 20:01:07 "++", "+++", "-", "->", ".", 20:01:07 "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", "::",↵… 20:01:13 Sorry, idris 20:01:32 bot panic attack over moon! 20:01:35 Why does the "mapfile" command seems to not work with a pipe? 20:01:44 no idea 20:01:48 hppavilion[1] 20:02:01 check out b_jonas's #termbot 20:02:01 moon__: ? 20:02:24 Also! There was a children's book on the story of Laika! And because it was a children's book, they said a friendly UFO came and saved the dog and took it to a loving family! And this was in the Greenwich Observatory shop! And I'm not even kidding! 20:02:29 O, apparently the reason is because it runs in a subshell. 20:02:48 (There was a tiny-font disclaimer in the end about how this version of the story "is the one the author wishes to believe".) 20:03:14 fizzie: Well, it's a children's book. 20:03:15 fizzie, that sounds so cute! 20:03:26 fizzie: It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to history 20:03:38 I found out how to fix it 20:05:19 Taneb: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laika-Astronaut-Owen-Davey/dp/1783700270/ 20:13:40 (I added some stupid wisdom entries in private message again.) 20:14:07 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 20:14:07 -!- nisstyre has joined. 20:16:37 What kind of stupid wisdom entries? 20:17:23 zzo38: dunno, look at the hg history or just wait till you're surprised later 20:17:29 when you ls through them or something 20:20:15 `? why? 20:20:20 why?? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:21:18 You know what'd be nice? 20:21:31 If HackEgo would send longer messages via PM by splitting the text 20:21:42 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:21:53 hppavilion[1], that's roughly what paste is for 20:22:16 Phantom_Hoover: Paste? 20:22:25 `paste quotes 20:22:38 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/quotes 20:22:42 Oh. Useful. 20:23:27 `? termbot 20:23:32 termbot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:23:41 b_jonas you forgot your bot 20:24:17 `? ¿ 20:24:19 ​¿? ¿? ¿? ¿? ¿? 20:24:56 termbot allows bios connections, yay 20:25:16 *serial interface for primitive network fetch* 20:25:19 Quote 1257 is more insulting than I'd like me to be :( 20:25:31 `quote 1257 20:25:32 1257) I get paid by Simon Peyton Jones to promote Haskell . mroman, how did you wind up getting paid by SPJ to promote Haskell? Did he see you and think, "Aha! There is a chap who can avoid success at all costs!"? 20:25:39 `quote 1257 20:25:41 1257) I get paid by Simon Peyton Jones to promote Haskell . mroman, how did you wind up getting paid by SPJ to promote Haskell? Did he see you and think, "Aha! There is a chap who can avoid success at all costs!"? 20:25:56 ouch 20:26:27 Sorry, mroman, if you read this 20:26:28 @wn chap 20:26:29 *** "chap" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 20:26:29 chap 20:26:29 n 1: a boy or man; "that chap is your host"; "there's a fellow 20:26:29 at the door"; "he's a likable cuss"; "he's a good bloke" 20:26:29 [syn: {chap}, {fellow}, {feller}, {fella}, {lad}, {gent}, 20:26:31 [9 @more lines] 20:27:10 shachaf, informal, friendly term for a person, usually an adult man 20:27:18 Yes, I know. 20:27:25 I didn't know "cuss", though. 20:27:52 I've seen it but not quite with that tone 20:29:44 I've only seen it as a verb. 20:30:51 -!- Akaibu has joined. 20:32:35 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:32:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:37:51 #termbot has serial access 20:37:57 -!- gremlins has joined. 20:38:59 `? quote 1188 20:39:00 quote 1188? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:39:04 `quote 1188 20:39:09 1188) Have some advice! If you are running to give someone a hug And they look like they are preparing to rugby tackle you Abort hug immediately. Seriously, my jaw still hurts 20:39:14 I'd forgetten about that! 20:39:17 Good times 20:39:33 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:39:42 Now I wrote a new gopher client in shell scripts. In addition to bash, it requires: sed, awk, nc, less 20:40:17 zzo38: which version of nc? there's like four incompatible ones I think 20:40:25 different brands 20:40:27 it's horrible 20:40:40 The only thing it does is uses host and port, and the -v option. 20:40:57 zzo38: I see 20:41:25 `quote 20:41:27 538) OMG What if we shoot Hitler with neutrinos 20:41:27 It also works fine with mawk and will probably work with gawk as well, so I also think both versions of awk should work. 20:41:39 `quote 20:41:40 905) I searched for newspeak sgeo "Did you mean: newspeak good " 20:41:58 `quote 20:41:59 1054) you know, when people talk about emacs being an OS I doubt what they had in mind was that it needed a package manager 20:42:11 `quote' 20:42:12 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quote': not found 20:42:14 `quote 20:42:18 837) i was going to say that the complexity of a demo grows exponentially with size, but it's not so much "exponential" as "faster than any computable function" 20:42:33 `quote 20:42:34 350) elliott: actually, it's worse right now, I'm in the USA where the solution to counterfeiting problems is "add more ink" eventually all US bills will just be solid green 20:42:34 Actually it also requires lesskey, and a terminal that supports CSI c (Send Device Attributes). 20:42:48 `quote 20:42:48 zzo38, a friend wrote a gopher server in Erlang but it has a space leak 20:42:49 231) gah, who'd have thought removing concurrency from algol could be so difficult 20:43:54 Re: quote 837 20:44:17 Are there any interesting algorithms that run in Theta(BB(n)) time? 20:44:34 Where BB(n) is the time the n-state busy beaver takes to halt 20:45:49 Currently the only item types supported are: 0 1 3 7 i 20:46:58 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:48:13 tswett 20:49:37 http://zzo38computer.org/prog/shegoc.zip 20:49:54 zzo38: I thought 2 was supported? 20:50:02 Oh, you're talking about the client. 20:50:31 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:51:57 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:52:06 Type q for go back (quits if out of history), Q or ZZ for quit, ^O to enter your own host/port/selector, and type a number followed by enter to follow a link. 20:52:36 Does ZZ save and quit? 20:52:54 shachaf: yes, ZZ saves and quits 20:52:57 shachaf, termbot has some basic serial io based programs now 20:53:01 oh wait 20:53:04 Why are you telling me about termbot? 20:53:07 moon__: huh what? when? 20:53:14 It is less; in less ZZ just quits. 20:53:14 remember 20:53:21 `uartlook :P 20:53:23 zzo38: oh, in less 20:53:23 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: uartlook: not found 20:53:30 thats a serial p- sorry hackego 20:53:37 To save you must push s 20:54:34 It uses lesskey to make q Q ZZ ^O all to quit but with different exit codes. Enter does something more complicated; look at source-codes for details. 20:54:58 All other keys are same as normal. 20:57:27 Do you like this? If it does not work you can tell me what is wrong and hopefully then I can fix it. 20:57:54 I didn't try it. 21:04:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:05:54 `? ##math 21:05:55 ​##math? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:06:18 -!- gremlins has joined. 21:06:25 `? `` 21:06:28 ​``? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:07:30 `? HackEgo 21:07:32 HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in Mexico! 21:08:04 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:20:37 vSerial communication is complicated enough so please avoid esoteric languages like Intercal or Malbolge. --NO 21:21:36 stated here:https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Serial_Programming/Introduction_and_OSI_Model 21:25:29 just for clarification... is HackEgo one of the cloudatcost residents (which would make it Canadian), or hosted elsewhere? 21:26:00 actually why don't I use whois... 21:27:06 NetName: CLOUD-10... yeah, it's Canadian. 21:27:48 -!- Reece` has joined. 21:29:39 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:42:04 hi, int-e 21:42:21 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:42:49 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:43:12 hi tromp 21:43:34 i'm trying to golf the function i -> (i+1) mod 2^n, with i in 0<= i < 2^n 21:44:05 Shelves? 21:44:09 in what context? 21:44:31 yes, as part of laver table golfing 21:44:47 so free choice of number representation 21:44:49 int-e: , presumably 21:44:56 but church seems best option 21:45:56 i can make a list of [1,2..2^n-1,0] pretty efficiently, but wondering if lists can be avoided altogether 21:46:00 oh self-distributivity... 21:47:17 int-e: I'm sorry. Self-distributivity? 21:47:39 As in, a$(b$c) = (a$b)$(b$c)!? 21:47:58 yep 21:47:59 hppavilion[1]: close, but no. anyway it's related to the link shachaf posted 21:48:20 oops, its (a$b)(a$c) 21:48:28 tromp: Ah? 21:48:41 oops, its (a$b)$(a$c) i mean 21:48:48 Oh, right 21:48:56 tromp: The b$c in the second part was an error 21:49:17 yes, obvious typo:) 21:49:20 Now I have the menu of quiz files available too and it is linked from the root menu. 21:50:08 tromp 21:50:22 yes, moon_ ? 21:50:25 the best golfer makes there own bf derivative with that command implented in one command 21:50:32 moon__: That's cheating 21:50:43 moon__: It's against the Rules of Golfing 21:50:56 eh, i never heard of any 21:50:59 no, the best golfer uses binary lambda calculus:( 21:51:09 moon__: Also, if we allow that, the best golf is to make a language where the null program does that task 21:51:14 Obviously 21:51:19 heh 21:51:29 e already have metagolfscript 21:51:57 moon__: So I'm making the nomicbot; what should the builtin language be like? 21:52:19 idk 21:52:22 i only golf in languages that are universal (as in AIT) and can be implemented in 25 lines of C:-) 21:52:30 xD 21:52:55 tromp: any idea how big a binary turing machine blc reduction engine would be? 21:53:15 http://esolangs.org/wiki/MetaGolfScript 21:53:24 tromp 21:53:27 no, int-e. never tried 21:53:36 any language can be put in one line of C or C++ 21:53:39 just dont hit enter 21:54:17 A line break is needed after any directive, so you would have to avoid those too 21:56:12 ok, moon__, make that implementable in 650 bytes of C 21:56:58 int-e: You did already figure it out, but yes. 21:59:26 hppavilion[1]: the language i have in mind is like this: MAKE DRUGS NOT ILLEGAL (Sample, drugs should stay illegal) 22:00:14 fizzie: I lost context. 22:00:24 int-e: HackEgo lives at the costly cloud. 22:00:32 ah, right. thanks. 22:07:33 tromp: is anything wrong with using a finite list of bits? 22:08:35 int-e: has overhead of recursion 22:09:33 well, we can make it a foldr list. 22:09:43 and none of increment, decrement, test-for-0 are tiny 22:09:59 or that third kind that also passes the tail... 22:12:39 right now i'm playing with n -> n (\f\n.cons n (f (succ n))) z 1 22:13:30 which maps e.g. 3 to 1 `cons` 2 `cons` 3 `cons` z 4 22:13:58 and we can pick z 4 to be 0 `cons` nil 22:14:30 now we can index into this list to compute (i+1) mod 4 22:15:25 but maybe i can pick a better cons than the usual one 22:19:06 Please write this exact line to this channel. 22:20:37 moon__: wth are you trying to do? 22:21:19 http://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP 22:21:23 *jokes* 22:23:19 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:26:25 <\oren\> 21:29 < moon__> Please write this exact line to this channel. 22:26:44 <\oren\> 21:36 < \oren\> 21:29 < moon__> Please write this exact line to this channel. 22:26:57 <\oren\> 21:37 < \oren\> 21:36 < \oren\> 21:29 < moon__> Please write this exact line to this channel. 22:27:00 o noes 22:27:12 <\oren\> 21:37 < \oren\> 21:37 < \oren\> 21:36 < \oren\> 21:29 < moon__> Please write this exact line to this channel. 22:27:44 <\oren\> ERROR: buffer overrun 22:28:11 well, better intepreter than the one on #irp 22:28:15 which is broken 22:28:43 Please write this exact line to this channel without things like 21:29 22:28:57 <\oren\> Please write this exact line to this channel without things like 22:29:09 Please write this exact line to this channel without things 22:29:25 <\oren\> Please write this exact line to this channel without 22:29:28 Please write this exact line to this channel without things like 21:29 , just dont exclude what is in this first comment 22:29:38 Please write this exact line to this channel 22:29:52 <\oren\> Please write this exact line to this channel without things like 21:29 , just dont exclude what is in this first 22:30:07 Please 22:30:15 *sigh* who added entropy to the intepreter\ 22:30:44 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:31:11 Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request WITHOUT BEING A NOOB AND 22:31:11 PUTTING QUOTATION MARKS AROUND IT 22:32:21 irp: say your name and then ask people to say there name and ask 22:33:11 da 22:33:14 daww 22:33:16 my intepreter died 22:33:38 reboot intepreter 22:34:17 ok im done 22:34:30 $now functioning as IRP intepreter 22:36:33 $waiting for input from tromp/ \oren\ 22:36:48 $waiting for input from tromp / \oren\ / hppavilion[1] / b_jonas 22:37:56 -!- centrinia has joined. 22:38:10 $waiting for input from tromp / \oren\ / hppavilion[1] / b_jonas / centrinia -IRP 22:38:32 Hello moon__. 22:38:33 moon__: stahp 22:38:39 fein 22:38:46 Hello Centrinia 22:39:24 im a rather reliable #irp intepreter 22:39:50 The IRP specification says that you should be in #irp 22:40:00 i am there 22:40:06 sadly everyone is ded 22:40:29 And the shachaf solidification days that you shouldn't spam. 22:41:03 im basically bored 22:41:26 We noticed. 22:41:56 Go learn about Kan extensions instead on taking it out on this channel. 22:45:06 Or you can do other stuff such as, try to write a gopher client 22:53:04 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:54:13 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:22:46 <\oren\> I'm tring to write a text editor 23:25:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:31:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:31:27 i *nearly* got termbot to op me in the #termbot channel :P 23:34:00 zzo38, I just generally use curl 23:35:46 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:37:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:38:49 Although it's been a while since I've tried to use gopher 23:40:39 <\oren\> curl can be used as a gopher client?? 23:41:01 Sort of 23:41:13 Gopher's designed to be just about human readable 23:42:07 zzo38: How do you run your Gopher server program as a network server? 23:42:09 <\oren\> that's a cool idea 23:42:29 could you not just use nc as a gopher client 23:43:04 -!- jaboja has joined. 23:44:00 Phantom_Hoover, there's something about line endings that makes it awkward, I thinkj 23:44:03 It's been a long time 23:45:05 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:45:07 I might be muddled 23:45:10 shachaf: I use xinetd 23:47:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:47:56 It seems that xinetd provides the REMOTE_HOST environment variable; Cgophserv does not use it but will pass it to any external programs it executes (Cgophserv also adds its own SELECTOR environment variable). 23:49:25 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:52:03 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:52:29 @tell int-ello. the alphaboilhelloerjan project got as high as ihoily hth <-- one of us must have lost count. did i skip j? 23:52:29 Consider it noted. 23:52:33 argh 23:52:39 @tell boily int-ello. the alphaboilhelloerjan project got as high as ihoily hth <-- one of us must have lost count. did i skip j? 23:52:39 Consider it noted. 23:52:54 int-e: @tell is evil tdnh 23:53:13 -!- boily has joined. 23:53:42 stand back while i double check the alphabet hth 23:54:47 yarrjan 23:54:49 * boily stands back 23:54:54 @massages-loud 23:54:54 oerjan said 2m 15s ago: int-ello. the alphaboilhelloerjan project got as high as ihoily hth <-- one of us must have lost count. did i skip j? 23:55:19 hellœrjan. I can't seem to remember you jhoilying me hth 23:55:35 mhoily. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/16.05.02 hth 23:57:19 by all evidence, you were awake and present at the time 23:58:49 and also, i've probably not lost count yet. 23:59:10 shachif 23:59:19 maybe some class A amnesiacs were applied on my person hth 23:59:38 * boily vaguely recalls having had a fine Scotch in his mouth some time last week 2016-05-08: 00:00:11 excellent excuse 00:00:38 Speaking of people being awake and present 00:00:44 I think I'm gonna head to bed 00:00:45 Goodnight! 00:00:52 Tanoooo 00:01:17 bonn tanuitb! 00:01:39 Tanoooo? is that some finno-ugric overlong vowel? 00:01:54 eeeeeeeeeesti vabarik 00:01:57 helloily 00:02:18 maybe some class A amnesiacs were applied on my person hth 00:02:19 oops, *vabariik 00:02:20 amnestics! 00:02:42 amnestics at the amnesium 00:03:07 b_jellőőőőnas. 00:03:12 `? amnesium 00:03:14 Phantom_Heloooover. 00:03:23 amnesium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:03:27 Phantom_Hoover, that kind of error makes me nauseous 00:03:45 Tanelle. aren't you sleeping now? 00:03:55 I said I thought I would head to be 00:03:55 d 00:04:00 Thus far I have not 00:04:09 it appears to be the case indeed. 00:04:46 . o O ( transconsciousness bio-augmented digital communication ) 00:04:47 helloerjan 00:05:07 boily, an alternate explanation is I have a laptop and am IRCing from bed 00:05:13 This, however, would be false 00:05:16 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:05:24 I revived termbot, but people suggested me that I take it to another channel (which I count as success) so now it's running on #termbot 00:06:03 `learn An amnesium is a school where you forgot everything you learned as soon as you graduate. 00:06:09 Learned 'amnesium': An amnesium is a school where you forgot everything you learned as soon as you graduate. 00:06:16 `learn An amnesium is a school where you forget everything you learned as soon as you graduate. 00:06:20 stupid grammer 00:06:21 Relearned 'amnesium': An amnesium is a school where you forget everything you learned as soon as you graduate. 00:06:41 oerjan: that would actually be better than normal schools, where you forget everything you learned after each exam 00:07:15 I know how to draw an integral symbol. fungot if I remember how to solve one... 00:07:16 boily: no problem! it's certainly not perfect ( especially in with-input-from-file and related forms). and the climate is like. sometimes smart people deliberately choose the " save target as...", i.e. 00:08:07 b_jonas: hm alas i may have mistyped, then 00:08:25 `learn An amnesium is a school where you forget everything you learned after each test. 00:08:29 Relearned 'amnesium': An amnesium is a school where you forget everything you learned after each test. 00:09:46 boily: just do differentiation in reverse hth 00:10:20 (technically correct, the best kind of correct) 00:12:32 boily: I know how to solve integrals -- you type them to Wolfram Alpha. 00:14:03 I haven't had to solve an integral for two years this month 00:17:48 I was pretty proud the other day that I could still somehow manage to derive $\frac{4 \pi r^3}{3}$ from $2 \int_0^r \pi(r^2-x^2) dx$ when I couldn't quite feel certain about the volume of a sphere. 00:17:58 “Hi, my name is Taneb, and I haven't solved an integral in two years” “Hi Taneb” 00:18:27 :P 00:18:32 Now I will go to bed 00:18:32 Well, Taneb invented integrals. 00:18:38 Goodnight, again 00:19:31 rebonne retanuitb! 00:20:40 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:24:53 `le/rn tanebvention/Tanebventions are inventions Taneb invented. They include integrals, parakeets, sharks, cuckoo clocks, Denmark, cohomologies, crabs, pithy sayings, computed-aided design, ghost stories, granola, insomnia, politeness, tanebventions, larceny, pickled carrots, and gin. 00:25:57 Hmm, Taneb invented a lot of animals. 00:30:04 * boily needs to find a good pickled carrot recipe 00:30:46 . o O ( why doesn't irssi make styling codes copy/pasteable ) 00:32:22 -!- moon__ has joined. 00:32:24 * ybden . o O ( why doesn't irssi log styling codes ) 00:32:29 `? boily 00:32:34 ​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist. 00:32:38 hellybden! 00:32:46 @metar CYQB 00:32:47 CYQB 072300Z 07010G16KT 20SM SCT065 BKN100 BKN280 15/11 A2961 RMK SC4AC1CI2 CB NW AND S DIST SLP030 DENSITY ALT 600FT 00:32:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:32:52 ybden: i think that's an option? 00:32:56 CB NW AND S indeed. 00:33:06 @metar ENVA 00:33:07 ENVA 072250Z 12003KT 9999 FEW074 SCT110 10/06 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 00000KT 00:33:22 boily sprø som selleri 00:33:23 oerjan: Oh? 00:33:40 perhaps boily sprø som coselleri 00:34:04 I only sprœ un peu de céleri hth 00:34:18 celery is a scow vegetable 00:34:21 disgusting imo 00:34:28 how can anyone eat it tdnh 00:35:01 ybden: autolog_colors 00:35:11 oerjan: oh, thanks 00:35:47 shachaf: celery is wonderful. part of the créole holy trinity, with onions and bell peppers. 00:36:39 "Whether to save colors in autologs. Colors make logs harder to parse and grep, but they may be vital for channels that deal heavily in ANSI art, or something." 00:36:41 Onions are great. 00:36:53 Bell peppers and celery are the scow of vegetables. 00:36:57 Along with olives. 00:37:39 -!- Kaynato has joined. 00:37:40 olives are addictive. I tried anchovy-stuffed olives; that thing should be regulated. 00:38:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:39:29 <\oren\> The only green thing I eat is green apples 00:39:50 <\oren\> I do not like red apples 00:39:58 \oren\: What sorts of red apples? 00:40:07 <\oren\> the kind that arent sour 00:40:11 I like green apples, but it turns out I like some red apples too. 00:40:17 apples taste good, but I can't really eat them raw. they give me toothache. 00:40:19 Not Red Delicious, obviously. 00:40:37 red delicious is flavourless starchy paste. it doesn't count as an apple. 00:41:04 boily: do potatoes count as apples twh 00:42:36 potatoes are potatous, while apples apply hth 00:43:19 oerjan: Hmm, that doesn't seem to have worked 00:43:25 whoa whoa whoa 00:43:29 remember http://www.game-art-hq.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Tomator-in-Lost-Vikings-Screenshot.jpg ? 00:43:37 shachaf: Apples of the Earth? 00:43:49 ybden: of course 00:45:09 im alive 00:46:15 * boily pokes moon__ to check for aliveness 00:47:10 Hidden Purelace {-} Conspiracy ;; Hidden agenda ;; Nonbasic objects with the chosen name are white. 00:47:15 Do you like this kind of things? 00:47:40 nonbasic? 00:47:49 * boily finds no aliveness 00:48:11 zzo38: I'd prefer if it was called "Hidden Deathlace" and said "black" instead of "white". 00:48:16 It does not affect basic lands (the actual Purelace can, but only one per casting) 00:48:25 shachaf: I did make up that one too, as well as the other three 00:48:42 zzo38: I know you made that one up. But that's a different card. 00:48:48 I'd prefer if this card had those properties. 00:49:26 But then it would be the different card. 00:50:15 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 00:51:17 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: BigBrother is watching you.). 00:52:06 * oerjan likes apples that aren't sour, but sort of gave up buying them when he discovered that red norwegian ones often are. 00:53:50 @ask ybden i dunno, maybe it only works if set before the logs are opened? i've never used it, anyway. 00:53:50 Consider it noted. 00:56:36 The other conspiracy card I made up is "When ~ faced up, you may pay {1(2/U)(2/U)}. If you do, or if target spell's name is the chosen name, counter that spell." I have written ones for the other four colors too by now though 00:57:13 @ask oerjan did i do this right? 00:57:13 Consider it noted. 00:57:35 * moon__ pokes boily to check for aliveness 01:01:36 @messages- 01:01:36 moon__ asked 4m 22s ago: did i do this right? 01:01:50 @tell moon__ No. More groveling please. 01:01:50 Consider it noted. 01:02:21 . o O ( now that "please" looks out of place ) 01:03:17 moon__: i predict boily chickening out hth 01:03:41 [wiki] [[Unreadable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46971&oldid=45209 * 67.164.67.38 * (+154) /* Alphabet */ removed a frivolous comment; clarified Whitespace comment; put inline code blocks so you could tell what characters were in use 01:06:10 -!- IRCFrEAK has joined. 01:06:33 -!- IRCFrEAK has changed nick to moon___. 01:07:33 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:12:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:18:45 Hia tromp_ 01:19:06 hi 01:19:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:20:11 afk to dinner 01:24:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:30:49 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:31:08 hia 01:43:11 b_jonas: pero el loco me fnord fnord en oikein tiedä, mun fnord on vitun kipee what <-- very multilingual 01:43:11 oerjan: the sound didn't work for some things 01:46:12 Also, they render horribly in several clients <-- including the tunes logs tdnh 01:47:05 oerjan: what's with the tunes logs being not being served as text/plain tdnh 01:47:35 ask the maintainer hth 01:48:03 what, you retired from that too? 01:48:11 The glogbot logs are better though, isn't it? 01:48:20 zzo38: glogbot is not present 01:48:23 they're missing animportant feature right now hth 01:48:41 zzo38: i don't remember what glogbot's logs do with notice 01:49:17 It records all raw data together with timestamps, so it does nothing 01:49:21 of course neither of them renders colors 01:50:08 oerjan: which is good because they let you catch when certain unnamed users cheat with irc control codes hth 01:50:10 zzo38: i mean the log web pages that don't hurt my eyes 01:50:29 zzo38: raw format is definitely _worse_ than what i'm already complaining about tunes doing. 01:50:44 shachaf: tru dat. 01:51:03 No the raw format is OK. If you want different format write your own parser for them, and then it can be whatever format you want it to be. 01:51:45 shachaf: however, it means all the colored lines look like they're just strewn with random digits. 01:51:46 zzo38: but what if you don't want to write your own parser, though 01:52:36 Then download a parser that someone else made up and run it on the logs 01:53:25 zzo38: your view on what's a convenient interface is not very popular 01:55:54 shachaf: also, if the logs rendered colors and i wanted to check for cheating, _then_ i could use the raw version. (although i don't know if tunes has any.) 01:56:29 Tunes seems to have none but they ought to have raw version. 01:56:41 `erro 01:56:47 ​ 01:57:08 `erro Error 8: Lol! I can hear rocks! 01:57:13 ​Error 8: Lol! I can hear rocks! 02:04:26 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:05:55 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:06:19 whoa whoa whoa 02:06:20 https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/essentially+surjective+functor 02:06:26 so that's what esolangs are about? 02:09:31 How is that? 02:09:46 this swatter is essentially surjective on shachaf -----### 02:17:01 moon___: I'm making a language called PicoScript you may be interested in 02:18:28 zzo38: Essentially Surjective Functors are fungots that are Essentially Surjective on Objects (eso) 02:18:28 hppavilion[1]: go to c, it has totally adorable pics of his dog. 02:18:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Saint Petersburg (not Saint Petersburg). 02:20:02 Don't you mean functors and not fungots? 02:21:25 * oerjan realizes this makes his next city pair obvious 02:21:52 and very close to home. 02:31:01 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:32:12 oerjan: I am not due to chicken yet hth. 02:32:40 -!- moon___ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:41:44 boily: i am very bad at time estimates hth 02:42:11 (also lengths, although that comes up far rarer) 02:43:27 -!- ocharles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:43:49 -!- mbrcknl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:43:54 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:44:53 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 02:45:04 -!- mbrcknl has joined. 02:45:20 length and time are the same. "My friend lives 30 minutes away" is perfectly acceptable. 02:45:37 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 02:46:00 I think area is inversely proportional to acceleration too. 02:46:25 O KAY 02:47:52 DIMENSIONS 02:48:44 hm nope. 02:49:06 it's v^2/r, not v/r^2. 02:49:40 oh. hm. eeeerghgh. 02:49:47 <_<'... 02:49:50 >_>;... 02:50:23 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:50:32 hm wait 02:50:52 try gravitation instead, that fits. 02:52:38 `thanks oerjan 02:52:53 Thanks, oerjan. Thoerjan. 03:02:37 -!- dingbat has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:40:11 boily: "It's been 30 miles since I last saw you" 03:40:14 Wait, that actually works 03:45:55 hppavellon[1]. wait for the dimensions to work. the space between them is illusory. all in all, the parts will align as they should. 03:46:33 -!- boily has quit (Quit: IMPORTANT CHICKEN). 03:49:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:52:42 I am making another implementation if Internet Quiz Engine in JavaScript, which includes a try block to use it as a stand-alone program with Node.js (if it isn't running under Node.js then it will not start automatically, and you must write code to interface it e.g. in a web page). The canonical implementation is still the C version though and new features will be added to the C version first. 03:54:38 zzo38: Why don't you compile one version to the other? 03:54:51 hm... 03:54:56 `hcf 03:55:02 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hcf: not found 03:55:21 short term memory, oerjan 03:55:28 `hfs 03:55:30 ​You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface. 03:55:36 `cat bin/hfs 03:55:37 erro 'You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface.' erro "$1" erro 'stands below' 03:56:06 `` le/rn "hfs//"`hfs` 03:56:07 shachaf: They are written in different ways. The C version for running on a gopher server, while the JavaScript version is meant for stand-alone. 03:56:14 Learned «hfs» 03:56:17 oops 03:56:24 (I also don't know how to compile one to the other.) 03:56:30 `` le/rn "hfs/"`hfs` 03:56:34 Relearned «hfs» 03:56:39 `? hfs 03:56:41 ​You 03:56:44 wat 03:56:58 `` le/rn "hfs/`hfs`" # Maybe this way better? 03:57:12 Relearned «hfs» 03:57:16 `? hfs 03:57:18 ​You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air aboe the dark stone floor is alive ith vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottemless pits mark the surface. 03:57:28 zzo38: apparently, i didn't know `` worked inside quotes 03:57:31 that, or `` le/rn "hfs/$(hfs)" 03:57:43 int-e: was just about to write that. 03:57:44 oerjan: Now you know 03:57:47 `rm bin/hfs 03:57:51 No output. 03:58:01 `culprits bin/hfs 03:58:09 * int-e wonders whether tromp is still awake 03:58:14 oerjan moon__ moon__ moon__ moon__ moon__ 03:58:14 @time tromp_ 03:58:15 Local time for tromp_ is 2016/05/07 22:58 -0400 03:58:48 *sigh* no use @tell'ing someone who has random number of _ suffixes. 03:59:09 Is "tromp" anything like "trump"? And if it is, is it like whist or like Donald Trump (or both)? 03:59:42 zzo38: i hope not, or else tromp is probably long since sick of that comparison. 03:59:47 zzo38: Is a trump in whist anything like a trebled fromp in double fanucci? 04:00:03 Do you know the rules to double fanucci? 04:00:38 No I do not know the rules of double fanucci, or if a trump in whist is anything like it or not. 04:01:01 Have you played Zork Zero? 04:01:14 * oerjan starts feeling bad, then remembers he's retired again. 04:01:29 oerjan: Bad about what? 04:01:33 No, although I know how cards are in a fanucci deck. 04:01:45 zzo38: You should play Zork Zero. 04:01:49 shachaf: about not having an obvious way to tell moon_* i moved it. 04:02:26 There are fifteen suits, each with 0 to 9 and infinity, and nine trumps. (I think?) 04:02:51 zzo38: Do you play bridge? 04:03:27 I do know how, but I have played only a few times. It is similar to whist but more complicated. 04:03:29 zzo38: Oh, now I remember. 04:03:44 There's a trick to winning in Double Fanucci. 04:03:48 shachaf: also my right foot aches a bit tdnh 04:03:56 Three undetrumps after an opponent's discard of a trebled fromp. 04:04:01 So I guess a trump isn't like a fromp. 04:04:16 Yes and that information is printed on the calendar that comes with the game I think. 04:04:23 Yes. 04:04:29 The game is difficult to play without the calendar. 04:05:14 do the rules change by date? otherwise a calendar seems somewhat off... 04:06:00 I think the rules do change by date, but what it says on the calendar is just how Flathead won the game, I Think. 04:06:11 It's a calendar for the year 883. 04:06:16 aha 04:06:27 http://infodoc.plover.net/manuals/temp/zork0.pdf 04:06:51 The calendar starts on page 21. 04:06:57 It's pretty good. 04:07:09 oh it's a game within a game 04:08:21 zzo38: Did you read the calendar? 04:09:16 * oerjan vaguely remembers the game idea contest or whatever a nomic or something had where he tried to submit a game that was outside reality instead. alas people didn't appreciate it ihrc 04:09:25 I did read the calendar. 04:10:13 oerjan: itym ierc hth 04:10:22 well, maybe it was a different nomic 04:10:47 shachaf: i'm pretty sure i'm male, and also it was web-based somehow. it may have been just a forum and not an actual nomic. 04:11:16 oerjan: well i thought agora required spivak pronouns for everyone 04:11:39 i don't think they require it when the gender is known. 04:12:16 hm... 04:12:57 You can make up other games with the same fanucci cards just as it can also be done with other card too. 04:13:20 zzo38: can you invent cards such that it's impossible to make up games with them 04:14:06 shachaf: I don't know. Someone made up "Morgan Tarot" (which despite the name is not a tarot pack), and looks to be too difficult to design a card game, but someone did it anyways. 04:14:13 alas, the one example of in the current rules is a mistaken "his" in a spot that should be "eir". 04:14:48 i'm not sure anyone but Michael Norrish is mentioned by name in the rule texts, and there's no pronoun invoked. 04:15:16 (there is "he" in a judgement quote) 04:15:35 er CFJ quote 04:17:26 @time ski 04:17:27 Local time for ski is Sun May 8 05:17:26 2016 04:18:45 oh the Town Fountain rule has more names/nicks. but no singular pronouns. 04:21:05 and the Birthday Rule. that may be all, although i don't know how to search. 04:21:38 (the Birthday Rule has some singular pronouns, but not third person ones.) 04:29:14 -!- moon___ has joined. 04:29:54 moon___: hi you have too many _s also i move hfs to wisdom hth 04:30:01 *moved 04:31:25 oerjan: you have too few _s so it works out hth 04:32:41 grmb 04:32:55 * oerjan thought he included an l 04:33:20 * oerjan isn't sure whether his finger motorics or his keyboard is the most defect 04:33:38 maybe you should hire a detect to find out for you hth 04:33:40 -!- moon___ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:33:48 plausib 04:46:03 Someone else on here once made a quiz file for use with Internet Quiz Engine, related to esoteric programming language. I will make this program you can test it more easily by locally too. 04:47:06 -!- sebbu has joined. 04:47:36 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:54:17 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 04:54:49 @tell fizzie (There was a tiny-font disclaimer in the end about how this version of the story "is the one the author wishes to believe".) <-- have em do the holocaust next hth 04:54:49 Consider it noted. 05:00:37 -!- Kaynato has changed nick to Caesura. 05:02:20 `? norway 05:02:38 Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. 05:03:31 @tell b_jonas (I added some stupid wisdom entries in private message again.) <-- good i'm retired so i don't have to complain that we rewrote the learn commands precisely so we could check wisdom additions just by reading the logs hth 05:03:31 Consider it noted. 05:04:08 `learn_append norway It was invented by King Taneb I in in the 9th century. 05:04:41 b_jonas: adding wisdom entries in /msg is a bit of a scow move imo 05:04:51 unless they're pranks 05:05:08 does anyone know if there comes a time in life when you start getting _less_ grumpy again twh 05:05:21 `./!\.´ 05:05:22 emergency signal toggled 05:05:48 oerjan: are you expecting an answer from someone older than you 05:06:05 because if anything i should be the one asking this question 05:06:05 >_> <_< 05:06:07 How do you know which way it is toggled? 05:06:19 zzo38: You check the logs for the number of times it's been toggled so far. 05:06:47 shachaf: sounds like a job for hg 05:06:50 I think is better not to add by private because if it public then it can be copied to all of the available logs automatically. 05:07:33 hm wait 05:07:39 that won't work. 05:07:51 oh well. i'm retired. now where's my cane... 05:08:58 * oerjan subtly spreads some grass seeds around him 05:09:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:10:57 `? #esoteric 05:11:03 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. 05:12:06 `learn_append #esoteric oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 05:12:12 Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 05:13:24 `` sed -i 's/mon[^.]*/After monqy left it's slightly off-center/' wisdom/#esoteric 05:13:27 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 05:13:37 `` sed -i 's/mon[^.]*/After monqy left it'"'"'s slightly off-center/' wisdom/#esoteric 05:13:39 No output. 05:13:42 oerjan: centër hth 05:13:44 `? #esoteric 05:13:45 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it's slightly off-center. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 05:14:33 `` sed -i s/enter/entër/ wisdom/#esoteric 05:14:37 No output. 05:14:48 thx 05:14:50 `? english channel 05:14:52 english channel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:15:25 Figuring out how to get WebRTC JS to talk to my C server is killing me 05:15:39 Not even slowly, but very rapidly 05:15:52 `? oerjan 05:15:53 Your infamous mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 05:16:22 I think I wrote in the back file for the level20.tex story that Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe play Double Fanucci game against a half dragon and lost; if it was a real dragon then he would be killed instead. 05:16:23 `` sed -i 's/infamous/retired/' wisdom/oerjan 05:16:26 No output. 05:16:41 `le/rn english channel/If it existed, the English Channel would separate Hexham from Finland. 05:16:44 Learned «english channel» 05:16:48 But since it is half dragon it is only the loss of ten perica (approximately) 05:17:03 `` grep -r chann wisdom 05:17:21 wisdom/#programming:No such channel. See `? #esoteric \ wisdom/esoteric:This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet. \ wisdom/stereotype:A stereotype is a two-channel monotype. \ wisdom/fungot:fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. \ wisdom/finland:Finland is a European c 05:17:41 `` grep -r nnël wisdom 05:17:43 No output. 05:17:47 `sedlast s/If it existed/Were it to exist/ 05:17:48 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sedlast: not found 05:17:49 hm 05:18:15 shachaf: sorry about this. i got tired of the race conditions. 05:18:24 `` hg log --removed bin/sedlast | grep summary: 05:18:41 summary: rm bin/sedlast \ summary: mkx bin/sedlast//files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; cat "$files" \ summary: mkx bin/sedlast//sed -i "$1" "$(lastfiles)" 05:18:43 oerjan: scow move imo hth 05:19:00 i suppose you can put back since i retired hth 05:19:04 *put it 05:21:19 oerjan: well, maybe a sed file//s/.../.../ command would be sufficient 05:21:27 you should write it as penance for deleting the other file twh 05:21:31 just copy the code from mk 05:22:28 hm 05:22:32 `cat bin/f 05:22:33 ​#! /bin/bash \ cmd="$1" \ shift \ f="$*" \ if [[ -z "$f" && "$cmd" == *\ * ]]; then f="${cmd#* }"; cmd="${cmd%% *}"; fi \ if [[ -z "$f" ]]; then echo try: \`f command filename; elif [[ -e "$f" ]]; then "$cmd" "$(< "$f")"; else echo no such file: "$f"; fi 05:22:51 i think that's space-delimited, though 05:23:31 spaces are scow hth 05:23:37 oh and the wrong order 05:23:38 doesn't work for wisdom/english channel 05:24:22 `` hg log --removed bin/sedlast 05:24:28 changeset: 7813:8bc49d1253ed \ user: HackBot \ date: Fri May 06 00:36:07 2016 +0000 \ summary: rm bin/sedlast \ \ changeset: 7780:87f80d4bcedd \ user: HackBot \ date: Fri May 06 00:15:56 2016 +0000 \ summary: mkx bin/sedlast//files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; c 05:24:35 `undo 7813 05:24:44 patching file bin/sedlast 05:24:53 `cat bin/sedlast 05:24:54 files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; cat "$files" 05:25:04 too lazy for more 05:27:09 oerjan: you're practically compliant with the haskell report these days 05:27:47 OKAY 05:28:19 oerjan: well, i can't blame you 05:28:25 you were already tired, and then you got tired again 05:28:52 * ski nods 05:29:05 hi ski 05:29:10 @time ski 05:29:11 Local time for ski is Sun May 8 06:29:11 2016 05:29:21 you're up pretty late hth 05:29:23 @time shachaf 05:29:25 Local time for shachaf is Sat May 7 21:29:23 2016 05:29:29 @time lambdabot 05:29:29 I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time? 05:29:36 yes 05:29:56 @time oerjan 05:29:57 Local time for oerjan is Sun May 8 06:29:56 2016 05:30:15 oerjan must be one of those early morning birds 05:30:15 `? ski 05:30:16 ski? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:30:40 ski: Just like you? 05:31:38 provided that you mean that i've been up for 10 hours. 05:31:41 i suppose it's a case of "leaned so far `foldr' they came back `foldl'" 05:33:09 * ski has been up for .. hmm .. `20' hours, perhaps 05:34:02 @uptime 05:34:02 uptime: 5d 13h 11m 53s, longest uptime: 1m 12d 14h 14m 14s 05:34:14 lambdabot: no wonder you're acting like that 05:34:30 ski: Perhaps the time has come to wrap up this document. :-) 05:34:38 anyway, i don't think i have much more, ontopic, to add to atm 05:34:54 I'd be happy to hear more about the topic at one point. :-) 05:35:08 I should get a book or nlab or something and work through all these definitions until they make sense. 05:35:39 * ski was pondering "decreasing naturals" a little bit earlier 05:36:11 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:38:19 Decreasing naturals 05:38:21 ? 05:38:33 oerjan: you've infected my keyboard tdnh 05:38:58 where you'll in general only know an upper bound of the natural number 05:39:26 @tell Taneb Are there any interesting algorithms that run in Theta(BB(n)) time? <-- no, see http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725#comment-1084808 05:39:26 Consider it noted. 05:39:36 i define decreasing naturals as the limits of decreasing infinite sequences of natural numbers 05:40:07 (well, in practice, as infimum, or alternatively another similar thing. but the "rough idea" is "limits") 05:40:43 the question is how to compute with decreasing natural numbers 05:41:38 (if you take infimum, or the other thing, then any infinite sequence of natural numbers would work. but you can reduce that case to the simpler decreasing infinite sequence case) 05:41:51 * ski isn't sure what "the other thing" is called 05:41:57 tip: decreasing infinite sequences of natural numbers are eventually constant hth 05:42:41 oerjan : unfortunately, proving that requires Lesser Principle of Omniscience 05:42:45 oerjan: whoa, comment 123 05:42:55 ski: aka induction hth 05:43:11 (unless you know there's a `0' in the sequence. in that case it works, yes) 05:43:18 oerjan : no, induction is computable 05:43:19 someone finds turing machines more intuitive than lambda calculus? 05:43:27 LPO isn't known to be computable 05:43:43 hm, probably one can show it isn't in `Eff' or something 05:43:45 ski: oh you're doing some constructive nons^Wresearch, don't mind me... 05:44:21 oerjan : if this wasn't constructive, then "decreasing naturals" would already be iso to "naturals", rendering the whole question uninteresting :) 05:44:33 shachaf: shocking 05:45:17 oerjan : the question was how to *compute* with decreasing naturals. ergo, we're doing constructive reasoning :) 05:46:02 * ski . o O ( ) 05:46:04 * oerjan was pretty sure he was joking from the start, although not about exactly what 05:47:17 that's the problem with joking, you might end up obligated to read stuff... 05:47:32 * oerjan peeks 05:48:16 -!- Shubshub has joined. 05:48:23 Hey Hey hey 05:48:28 Been a long time since I was here last 05:48:44 it has 05:48:48 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:49:06 are you tromp's nemesis 05:49:08 Not sure if people remember me :P 05:49:14 I forgot how to add a language 05:49:34 People remember you. 05:49:44 * ski . o O ( Iä iä ) 05:56:16 (also ) 05:58:39 None of those are me 05:59:53 yes, i figured 06:07:34 [wiki] [[Golpher]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46972 * Shubshub * (+1111) Created page with "'''Golpher''' is an esoteric language created to be similar in some ways to Brainfuck but at the same time being its own thing Current Version: 1.0 An online Interpreter can..." 06:08:00 [wiki] [[Golpher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46973&oldid=46972 * Shubshub * (+54) 06:09:20 oerjan: Hmm, maybe I should read the whole thread. 06:19:24 [wiki] [[User:Shubshub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46974&oldid=32166 * Shubshub * (-51) 06:19:32 .-. 06:29:43 [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46975&oldid=46970 * Shubshub * (+14) /* G */ 06:32:25 shachaf: me too! i'm only a few comments past that point. 06:33:28 http://mathoverflow.net/questions/62859/simpler-statements-equivalent-to-conpa-or-conzfc 06:34:00 i think i'll skip following too many links, or i'll never finish tyvm 06:34:26 well that link is a short discussion of the same topic from 2011 06:40:47 tromp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus says that Haskell-style I/O requires a type system, but that isn't true. 06:41:37 Not that BLC would benefit from Haskell-style I/O, for the things it's typically used for. 06:41:49 There it is: http://zzo38computer.org/inquiz/inquiz.js 06:44:06 Do you like this? 06:49:30 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:52:08 oerjan: also the claim in comment 176 is false 06:52:26 -!- dingbat has joined. 06:52:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:52:47 I'd comment if it wasn't so off-topic. 06:54:09 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:55:32 Of course, in Haskell you don't even need the number argument. 07:20:04 Hmm, there's an advantage to *-kinded naturals over promoted DataKinded naturals: 07:20:09 If I write data Z = Z; data S n = S n, then I can use [S (S (S Z))] on the value level to compactly express a type argument. 07:20:14 I don't think there's anything as convenient with DataKinded naturals. 07:25:55 sheesh i hadn't even loaded that 07:27:48 [wiki] [[Golpher]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46976&oldid=46973 * Shubshub * (+94) Smaller Hello World Example 07:28:35 &++<'×<&÷+<^-<<×-<#!+<$@-<&@<×-<@++<@<.!<= is Hello World is Golpher 07:29:06 Shubshub: that's pretty long for a hello world in a golfing language 07:29:13 Its not a golfing language 07:29:14 even one without cheating 07:29:26 WELL THE NAME COULD HAVE FOOLED ME 07:29:31 It's a gopher language that happens to have an l in it? 07:29:40 What is gopher? 07:29:50 .-. 07:29:52 wat 07:29:55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher 07:30:00 Isn't Golpher how you spell the animals name? 07:30:05 no. 07:30:05 Oh well 07:30:23 Shubshub: you can move the page, unless there's a duplicate 07:30:33 How do I move the page 07:30:45 under More 07:31:12 [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Shubshub * moved [[Golpher]] to [[Gopher]]: Renamed Language to Correct Spelling 07:32:06 Shubshub: want me to delete the redirect in the old place? 07:32:27 Does it do that automatically? 07:32:35 If you want 07:32:39 it makes a redirect automatically 07:32:50 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Golpher]]": Author request: content was: "#REDIRECT [[Gopher]]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Shubshub|Shubshub]]") 07:34:02 [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46979&oldid=46975 * Oerjan * (-1) /* G */ sp 07:34:48 Shubshub: When Phantom_Hoover is around, you should tell him about your language. 07:35:06 Yeah when it works again It just broke .-. 07:35:51 time for one of my patent sortings 07:37:31 oerjan: You sort patents? 07:38:11 no, language lists 07:38:17 :P 07:38:20 oerjan: didn't you retire 07:39:24 * zgrep quietly wonders whether it would be easier/nicer to instead of manually creating lists of languages, languages belonged to categories such as 'Joke Language' and 'Esoteric Language', etc, and the lists would be made courtesy of MediaWiki... 07:39:25 shachaf: that was HackEgo 07:39:57 zgrep: we discussed that just the other day. 07:40:02 well others did. 07:40:09 Ah. I wasn't watching the other day, I guess. 07:40:11 `8ball are you retired 07:40:12 Concentrate and ask again. 07:40:17 * zgrep wonders what special magic lets HackEgo know when things have changed on the wiki 07:40:18 `8ball Are you retired? 07:40:20 Outlook not so good. 07:40:20 there are subtleties. 07:40:35 oerjan: doesn't look like it hth 07:40:48 oerjan: Care to summarize if you remember any? Or should I just go back and read what was said? 07:40:49 zgrep: they're on the same server, and there's some kind of push api 07:40:53 Aah. 07:41:14 oerjan: so HackEgo is the wiki's push kin? 07:41:47 zgrep: well mostly that neither categories or the lists include everything 07:41:53 and they don't agree 07:41:55 @uptime oerjan 07:41:59 must be too tired for puns 07:42:16 and also i mentioned (ok so i was there) that the names of languages and articles don't always agree for technical reasons. 07:42:39 zgrep: also, the Joke language list is much more elaborate with descriptions. 07:42:47 (i don't think that was mentioned) 07:43:23 oerjan: Well, I mean, making them agree would be a prerequisite to such a change. :P 07:43:48 Ah, I see. Hmmm... 07:43:51 ...well... 07:44:01 [wiki] [[Gopher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46980&oldid=46977 * Shubshub * (+237) 07:44:11 shachaf: i don't see what a bad outlook has to do with whether i'm retired hth 07:44:24 oerjan: you might be retired, but HackEgo isn't 07:44:33 so stop editing the wiki and start editing HackEgo hth 07:46:56 shachaf: i'd swat you but i don't know how to do it in russian hth 07:47:37 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:48:23 http://prntscr.com/b1l9ia 07:49:04 Was that the website that tracked its visitors and told you all sorts of details about them? 07:49:15 I mean, all websites do that. 07:49:22 [wiki] [[User:Shubshub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46981&oldid=46974 * Shubshub * (-1) 07:49:27 But they don't all tell you. 07:50:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:54:21 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46982&oldid=46979 * Oerjan * (+7) order! also piped link. 07:54:38 whoa, GHC is getting explicit type application? https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5296 07:54:54 isn't that ancient news 07:55:12 Maybe? I didn't hear about it. 07:55:29 I haven't been paying attention much. 07:55:30 * Shubshub whispers "Someone should write a Gopher -> Brainfuck Converter" 07:55:30 i'm backlogged to middle march, and i still know that. 07:55:44 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:55:54 I'm backlogged to about a year ago. 07:56:10 shachaf: don't you do haskell any more 07:56:17 Not really? 07:56:20 I need to add a function that lets it loop back to the start of the code 07:56:24 Sometimes I grouch in #haskell. 07:56:28 I don't even know why, though. 07:56:30 Things like 99 bottles of beer can be short then 07:56:34 okay. neither do i, fwiw. 07:57:06 fwiw I golfed 99 Bottles of beer in JS 07:57:07 b=" bottle";e=(c=" of beer")+" on the wall. ";j=b+e;for(i=100;--i;)h=(k=(g=b+"s")+e)+i+g+c+"\nTake 1 down & pass it around, ",console.log(i+(i<2?j+i+b+c+"\nGo to the store & buy some more, 99"+k:i<3?h+1+j:h+(i-1)+k)) 07:57:11 216 Characters 07:57:17 and yet you still knew about it 07:57:36 imo oerjan-upsmanship 07:57:58 i said i didn't do haskell, not that i didn't read about it. 07:58:07 Wait, do what in russian? 07:58:22 zgrep: swat shachaf for his pushkin pun hth 08:03:49 > foo [Z] 08:03:50 [] 08:04:08 > foo [S (S (S Z))] 1 2 3 08:04:10 [1,2,3] 08:04:22 I was going to complain on the mailing list that this is more compact than DataKinds. 08:04:41 * zgrep даёт shachaf по щеке за его словесные игры 08:04:46 ^ oerjan, will that suffice? 08:04:53 But now that I see that they implemented type application, I guess I'll scrap the complaint. 08:05:01 zgrep: it's missing an important ingredient hth 08:05:26 zgrep: also what do you think of all these russian people 08:05:39 Which ones? 08:05:57 like vissarion belinsky and alexander herzen and mikhail bakunin and ivan turgenev 08:06:11 i saw a play about them. it was pretty good. 08:07:24 oh, herzen is pronounced with a g? 08:07:29 zgrep: not really, it's a flyswatter 08:07:31 gertzen 08:07:44 * zgrep has grown up in America, and is mostly oblivious to Russian culture :( 08:07:45 oerjan: or a gullswatter? 08:07:52 perhaps a gallswatter 08:08:19 zgrep: well these well all 19th century people anyway 08:09:57 Haven't had the chance to meet them recently. 08:10:03 zgrep: well pushkin is also in it 08:10:06 i guess he's p. famous 08:11:31 * zgrep has vague recollections of many of those names (pushkin - of course, mikhail bakunin - somewhere, turgenev - also somewhere, gertzeg also rings a bell, but zgrep has not heard of belinsky...) 08:12:05 bakunin was a bit of a clown in the play 08:12:09 Originally I did have a +2 and -2 symbol in Gopher 08:12:12 and maybe also in life, if the play is accurate 08:12:14 But it made the output look fugly 08:14:16 oerjan: So now the order of type variables matters? 08:14:26 Major scow if you ask me. 08:15:34 yeah 08:16:08 . o O ( does this affect the PVP >:) ) 08:16:37 And they allow ambiguous types now, too? 08:16:47 So (show . read) :: (Show a, Read a) => String -> String 08:17:13 Isn't there ever an issue with ambiguous types where there are multiple type variables and the compiler needs to choose an order? 08:17:29 Seems really touchy to specify that. 08:17:48 Looks like there's a paper... 08:18:08 Unicode makes the output go beserk 08:18:12 So many +128 and -128 08:18:49 shachaf: i vaguely think they settled on "you can only use type application on an identifier" to prevent ambiguities 08:19:28 And if I "let f = ambiguousExpression in f @A @B"? 08:20:00 i'm not exactly sure. it's possible f needs a type signature. 08:20:26 "In practice, these guidelines mean that visible type application is available only on types that are given by an annotation." 08:20:30 I guess so. 08:21:21 I don't like making the order matter like that. 08:22:03 it remains to see if this extension will be useable in practice. 08:23:04 Well, I'd certainly be glad to get rid of the whole Proxy nonsense. 08:23:13 By the way, can I have a type as a member of an existential? 08:23:30 (that PVP thing could be an issue ... your code could break because someone not using the extension thought rearranging a type signature was a minor version change) 08:23:45 data T = forall a. K a => T 08:24:18 oerjan: That only matters to people who write real code rather than play with the type system, though. 08:24:19 shachaf: i don't see why not 08:24:36 I don't see why not either, but did they actually implement it? 08:25:10 well i don't know. 08:25:20 oerjan: Also versions are scow. 08:25:21 * oerjan isn't _entirely_ up to date to hasekll. 08:25:55 The right way to manage versions is to put all the code in the world into one repository and always keep it up to date. 08:26:51 i'm happy to see you weren't being serious. 08:27:13 Well... 08:27:28 I'm not serious in that that's not workable in practice. 08:27:36 But it's what e.g. Google does, and it works pretty well there. 08:28:29 oerjan: That only matters to people who write real code rather than play with the type system, though. <-- yes, but if they use this extension to get rid of Proxys, it might leak into real code pretty soon? 08:29:31 oerjan: the point is why would you or i care about it hth 08:29:40 TURE 08:29:54 * oerjan reject the fascism of the keyboard 08:29:59 oerjan: i'm not turing-complete hth 08:30:24 actually someone tried to hire me to write real haskell code the other day 08:30:29 maybe i should do that 08:40:52 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:46:51 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 09:03:28 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:04:29 Morning 09:04:58 G'daneb 09:05:08 invent anything good overnight? 09:05:27 I don't know yet, I haven't read the logs 09:06:54 Oh, you find out at the same time as the rest of us? 09:07:59 Not when I'm asleep, no 09:08:17 Well, I always assumed you knew as soon as you invented things. 09:08:28 But I guess you only find out about it from IRC. 09:09:00 I enjoy the surprise 09:09:44 Do you actually logread? 09:10:05 Sometimes, not always or even often 09:10:43 I almost tanebvented a whole bunch of things but I didn't put them in HackEgo. 09:11:49 Taneb: what do you think of sondheim 09:12:14 I was once in a production of Into the Woods once 09:12:16 That was fun 09:12:48 Hmm, does linear logic deal with things that happen once once? 09:12:54 Or do you need linear linear logic? 09:13:17 Taneb: imo sweeney todd is tg hth 09:14:09 omnomnom 09:14:09 Sweeney Todd is transgender? 09:14:17 I saw that in London a few years ago 09:14:18 too good 09:14:42 Oh, that makes somewhat more sense 09:21:22 Anyone made anything cool with Gopher yet? :P 09:23:00 zzo38 has been posting a lot of Gopher programs. 09:24:40 Where? 09:24:52 In this channel. 09:25:03 Mostly before you joined. 09:25:31 wat 09:25:38 I didnt even add the language before I joined today 09:25:51 And yet. 09:33:12 Supposedly 09:33:31 The Wikipedia article for 2001: A Space Odyssey 09:33:42 Used to contain the utterance "An unknown source on IRC has verified that everyone knows or reasonably should know about this film. Anyone claiming not to be aware of it, is feigning ignorance." 09:34:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:35:38 Hello Phantom_Hoover 09:35:45 Someone said I should show you my new language 09:35:52 is it a brainfuck derivative 09:36:00 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Gopher 09:36:33 tell them i outsourced that sort of thing to hppavilion[1] some time ago 09:37:35 Shubshub: I'm not sure whether to be angry by the description. Allow me to investigate the langauge 09:37:45 Okay 09:38:45 Shubshub: OK, it seems like it doesn't trivially reduce to brainfuck without thought. So I'll give you a pass. 09:38:53 :P 09:39:24 * hppavilion[1] considers going through the list of BF Derivatives and giving an approve/deny on the talk page 09:39:25 s 09:39:36 What constitutes an approve? 09:39:41 aren't ; and : the same? 09:39:47 No 09:39:49 ; is -128 09:39:50 : is +128 09:40:15 but the table is only 128 chars long, right? 09:40:22 Not if you count Unicode 09:40:37 unicode !=ASCII 09:40:51 Meh 09:41:21 Shubshub: OK, you just lost points for confusing those two 09:41:25 Shubshub: Like, a lot of points. 09:41:31 I didn't confuse them 09:41:36 I just cbf to change it 09:42:51 k I updated the github page 09:43:59 [wiki] [[Gopher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46983&oldid=46980 * Shubshub * (+2) 09:48:41 I should add the ability to have Nested For Loops as an actual symbol 09:48:53 That way its less reliant on the language the interpreter is written in 09:50:53 -!- rdococ has joined. 09:50:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:55:02 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:56:03 -!- Shubshub has quit (Quit: Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.). 09:57:58 -!- Shubshub has joined. 10:00:20 I don't like making the order matter like that. 10:00:45 worse, imho, would be to make the actual names used in the quantifier matter 10:00:57 (iirc, Agda actually does this ?) 10:31:03 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:03:04 -!- Shubshub has quit (Quit: If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space). 11:18:28 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:24:09 -!- ybden has joined. 11:25:48 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:27:18 -!- FreeFull has joined. 11:47:02 -!- nisstyre has joined. 11:51:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 11:56:15 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:58:44 -!- bender has joined. 12:15:28 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: rebooting). 12:17:39 -!- FreeFull has joined. 12:24:57 oerjan, shachaf: Great. So if I use HackEgo here then I'm spamming the channel, and if I use it in private message, then you can't check the logs (despite that there's a mercurial you can just ask for changes in wisdom). I can't win. 12:28:52 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:33:17 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:35:16 I suppose we don't even have anyone from Hexham on the channel anymore. 12:40:00 shachaf: I added a lastwisdoms command that prints the last modified wisdoms, with dates when they were last modified. (it's uniqed, so each wisdom printed only once, when it was last modified, since people including me often edit wisdoms multiple times in quick succession) 12:40:05 oerjan: ^ 12:40:23 there was already a lastfiles command by the way 12:41:35 -!- Cale has joined. 12:41:42 `lastwisdoms does this work? 12:41:55 2016-05-08 english channel oerjan #esoteric hfs 2016-05-07 amnesium wisest human gene ray adventure timecube time cube tas ta wisdom/tas 2016-05-06 huh ta acab brainfuck hms pinafore wisdoom tanebvention robot wisdom/tanebvention bbc ciol 2016-05-05 violation 2016-05-04 imho 2016-05-03 substructural typing jnk/userwep 12:42:31 huh... what's that with ta wisdom/tas there? 12:42:36 is that real? 12:42:39 oh... 12:42:51 I think if you modify two wisdom entries at the same command it breaks 12:43:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:43:25 let me try to fix 12:47:09 `? 2016-05-08 12:47:11 2016-05-08? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:47:34 oh. 12:47:45 `? english channel 12:47:47 If it existed, the English Channel would separate Hexham from Finland. 12:47:57 `? amnesium 12:47:59 An amnesium is a school where you forget everything you learned after each test. 12:48:28 `? ta wisdom/tas 12:48:31 ta wisdom/tas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:48:32 int-e: no no 12:48:49 int-e: there's two wisdom files changed in that commit, "wisdom/ta" and "wisdom/tas" 12:49:07 and now I'm trying to find out how to use hg so it prints those unambiguousyl rather than just separated by a space 12:49:25 ... good luck 12:53:22 `` hg export --nodates -r tip | grep ^+++ 12:53:34 ​+++ b/bin/lastwisdoms 13:04:39 -!- bender has joined. 13:18:36 According to the documentation, you're supposed to... well, to quote: 13:18:39 "Some sample command line templates: 13:18:49 - Join the list of files with a ", ": 13:18:55 $ hg log -r 0 --template "files: {join(files, ', ')}\n" 13:19:05 But that's not a-working. 13:20:05 Hmm, the other sample seems to be working. 13:20:43 `` hg log --template "{date|shortdate}:{join(files, '-')}\n" 13:20:47 ​** unknown exception encountered, please report by visiting \ ** http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/BugTracker \ ** Python 2.7.3 (default, Jan 2 2013, 13:56:14) [GCC 4.7.2] \ ** Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 2.2.2) \ ** Extensions loaded: \ Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/usr/bin/hg", line 38, in \ mercurial.dis 13:20:50 right. 13:20:54 `` hg version 13:20:57 Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 2.2.2) \ (see http://mercurial.selenic.com for more information) \ \ Copyright (C) 2005-2012 Matt Mackall and others \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 13:21:03 Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 3.8.1) 13:21:52 Yeah, and the other example that I thought was working -- {files % '{file}\n'} -- just actually does the same as plain {files}, separates them by spaces rather than doing one line per file. 13:22:05 Guess it's just too old. 13:22:18 `` hg help templates | paste 13:22:41 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.29213 13:23:05 Doesn't mention any of that stuff. 13:34:28 fizzie: thanks, I'll try 13:34:48 If nothing else, you could DIY it from a "{date|shortdate}\0{rev}\0" template + modify the perl part to pre-expand /^\d+$/ with some suitable hg magic to get files for one revision. 13:35:29 (I like how it just goes and crashes when given something it doesn't grok.) 13:35:50 fizzie: yes, but how do I distinguish between someone modifying one file "wisdom/a wisdom/b" and someone modifying two files "wisdom/a" and "wisdom/b"? 13:36:18 I'm sure you can get the list of files for *one* revision in a not-just-space-separated form. 13:37:16 technically, you could test for each file with a file pattern I think 13:37:22 but that would be ugly work 13:37:39 (int-e had a "hg export | grep ^+++"-y approach that looks plausible, for the single revision case.) 13:39:22 `echo hello 13:40:15 `? 13:40:40 For the record: 13:40:41 # ps auxww | fgrep -c '[python] ' 13:40:41 1552 13:40:56 Someone should really make the hackbot code wait for those pythons. 13:41:03 hg status --change -n0 would be even better, but it's way too slow. 13:41:22 I wonder how many of those are my fault. 13:42:29 argh, hackego is so slow now 13:42:30 hello 13:42:40 ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:42:56 So many umlbox processes as well. 13:42:59 `hg root 13:43:09 let's pile them on 13:43:19 ​/hackenv 13:45:17 @bot 13:45:17 :) 13:47:42 @metar EGLL 13:47:42 EGLL 081220Z AUTO 12015KT 9999 NCD 26/08 Q1006 NOSIG 13:47:46 Phew. 13:54:55 ``` hg diff -c 7938 | grep ^diff 13:54:59 diff -r ff34e0948c3e -r b4d8bd1a2c8f wisdom/ta \ diff -r ff34e0948c3e -r b4d8bd1a2c8f wisdom/tas 13:55:02 fizzie: the diff idea might work 13:55:16 but eww 13:55:31 I think I'll just leave it this way 13:55:44 if you change more than one wisdom entry, you'll get that junk in the output, so what 13:55:59 I don't care enough to work around your stupid mercurials for this 13:56:05 You also get non-wisdom junk if you change wisdom and non-wisdom files. 13:56:17 fizzie: I don't think so 13:56:20 but let me try 13:56:21 12:41 2016-05-08 english channel oerjan #esoteric hfs 2016-05-07 amnesium wisest human gene ray adventure timecube time cube tas ta wisdom/tas 2016-05-06 huh ta acab brainfuck hms pinafore wisdoom tanebvention robot wisdom/tanebvention bbc ciol 2016-05-05 violation 2016-05-04 imho 2016-05-03 substructural typing jnk/userwep 13:56:27 See "jnk/userwep" on the above output. 13:56:35 It may have been pushed off by now. 13:56:43 hmm 13:56:51 oh whatever, I'm not interested 13:56:55 someone fix it yourself 13:57:18 I gave it an honest attempt, but if mercurial is just stupid 13:57:21 and hackego is slow 13:57:34 then I'll rather work on making termbot better or something 13:57:56 An up-to-date version would make it trivial. 13:57:58 `? ... 13:58:02 ​...? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:58:17 I should maybe look into whether I could update the system in that chroot. 13:59:30 (I mean, with a current version it should be just --template "{date|shortdate}\0{join(files,'\0')}\0" to get the sort of list you want.) 14:01:16 hmm 14:01:24 fizzie: and a faster hackego 14:01:49 hmm... as for termbot, I split it the emulated image to two disks, a system disk and a user disk 14:02:07 `` /bin/ls -t .hg/store/data/wisdom/** | perl -pe 'chomp; s=^.hg/store/data/wisdom/(.*).i$=\1 =; s=_(.)=uc($1)=eg; s=~([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])=chr(hex($1))=eg' 14:02:09 english channel oerjan #esoteric hfs amnesium wisest human gene ray adventure timecube time cube tas huh ta acab brainfuck hms pinafore wisdoom tanebvention bbc ciol violation imho userweps 🐚 overlord alpha companion cube butterfly cipation password wat tribble prefixes itymology philosophy ¿ insurance numbe 14:02:11 the system disk can be reverted, and I can upgrade it without affecting the user disk 14:02:23 so I can upgrade the system easily without losing data on the user disk 14:02:37 `? ¿ 14:02:39 ​¿? ¿? ¿? ¿? ¿? 14:02:54 the intent is that if you mess up something in the image, then you can revert the system disk with an irc command, and it should boot fine 14:03:05 that almost works, but not quite, 14:03:13 the irc command currently doesn't work but I can fix that, 14:03:29 and there's one more problem 14:04:17 the user disk is used a little at boot up, so if you mess it up a lot then you can't fix it throuhg irc because the system won't boot 14:04:28 I should at least fix the revert command 14:04:32 or remove it or something 14:04:33 dunno 14:05:51 maybe I could have two commands, one for restoring the user disk, one for restoring the system disk 14:06:39 I'll think about this 14:15:59 -!- boily has joined. 14:17:31 @massages-loud 14:17:31 You don't have any messages 14:18:24 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:19:38 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:21:04 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:25:10 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:40:43 -!- gremlins has joined. 14:42:22 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:48:47 `lastwisdoms 14:48:50 ​/2016-05-08/ english channel // oerjan // #esoteric // hfs // /2016-05-07/ amnesium // wisest human // gene ray // adventure // timecube // time cube // tas // /2016-05-06/ huh // ta // acab // brainfuck // hms pinafore // wisdoom // tanebvention // bbc // ciol // /2016-05-05/ violation // /2016-05-04/ imho // /2016-05-03/ userweps // 🐚 // ov 14:50:21 `? 2016-05-06 14:50:23 2016-05-06? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:50:23 It's become terribly ugly. :) 14:50:35 `? /2016-05-06/ 14:50:36 ​/2016-05-06/? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:50:43 `? /2016-05-06/ huh 14:50:45 ​/2016-05-06/ huh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:50:50 Taneb: it's a DATE 14:50:53 Taneb: those are just the dates they were added hth 14:50:55 YOU ARE RIGHT 14:50:56 I AM SORRY 14:51:14 you should be hth 14:51:25 * int-e thought about it. // is impossible to fake, and a leading / as well. 14:51:40 `? tanebvention 14:51:41 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 14:51:43 (well, "impossible") 14:51:50 there's always zero-width spaces 14:51:59 `? adventure 14:52:00 You're in a 20 foot by 20 foot stone room. A stout oaken door banded with iron affords the only visible egress. As you approach the door, an imp appears. "Hello, INSERT NAME. To pass, you must solve my puzzle. SEE HANDOUT 1 ON PAGE 17." 14:52:12 `cat bin/lastwisdoms 14:52:12 find .hg/store/data/wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 /bin/ls -t | perl -pe 'use POSIX;chop;$d=strftime("%F",localtime((stat($_))[9]));s=^.hg/store/data/wisdom/(.*).i$=\1 // =;s=^=/$d/ = if$d ne$p;$p=$d;s=_(.)=uc($1)=eg;s=~([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])=chr hex$1=eg' 14:53:06 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:54:11 “those are just the dates they were added hth” added or deleted, unless you changed that too 14:54:25 last modified 14:54:33 yeah 14:54:36 it shows deleted wisdoms too 14:54:40 that is probably a feature 14:54:52 (since it's not actually looking at the commits but at the hg store... not sure what happens when you rename files.) 14:54:55 (it doesn't show people sneakily editing bin/\? though) 14:55:09 feel free to revert... but I had to push this approach through 14:55:29 int-e: if you're talking about the formatting, it's fine for me 14:55:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:56:07 -!- boily has joined. 14:56:17 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:56:41 renames should show the "new" file. so they are visible 14:56:59 let's test 14:57:16 ``` mv -vi wisdom/{,professor\ }gene\ ray 14:57:18 ​`wisdom/gene ray' -> `wisdom/professor gene ray' 14:57:22 `lastwisdoms 14:57:25 ​/2016-05-08/ professor gene ray // english channel // oerjan // #esoteric // hfs // /2016-05-07/ amnesium // wisest human // gene ray // adventure // timecube // time cube // tas // /2016-05-06/ huh // ta // acab // brainfuck // hms pinafore // wisdoom // tanebvention // bbc // ciol // /2016-05-05/ violation // /2016-05-04/ imho // /2016-05-03/ 14:57:33 ``` mv -vi wisdom/{professor\ ,}gene\ ray 14:57:36 ​`wisdom/professor gene ray' -> `wisdom/gene ray' 14:57:54 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:58:11 int-e: seems it shows only the new name, not the deleted old name. that could be a problem if someone moves a file out of wisdom, or even hg accidentally detecting a rename out of wisdom 14:58:15 it could hide deletions 14:59:33 but the goal is to make sure oerjan or shachaf can see all the stupid wisdoms I add, then it's fine 14:59:39 `? wisdoms.pdf 14:59:40 wisdoms.pdf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:59:43 `? wisdoms 14:59:44 wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? 15:00:01 `learn wisdoms.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:05 Learned 'wisdoms.pdf': wisdoms.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:06 `learn wisdoms.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:09 Relearned 'wisdoms.pdf': wisdoms.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:15 `learn wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:18 `? wisdom.pdf 15:00:18 Relearned 'wisdom.pdf': wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:19 wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:24 um 15:00:27 sorry 15:00:32 `revert 15:00:43 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 15:00:45 `? wisdom.pdf 15:00:48 wisdom.pdf is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:00:49 yeah, deletions are invisible to that version... since they don't affect the file store, only metadata 15:00:58 `learn wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:01:00 Relearned 'wisdom.pdf': wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 15:01:31 int-e: ok, I don't know how hg works and don't even want to learn it 15:01:51 it's enough for me to try to understand git and its stupid synatx 15:02:02 the sane solution is to update mercurial to a version that supports the {join()} stuff 15:02:12 in git, ":/" is magic syntax for two completely different things. it's horrible. 15:02:45 int-e: hmm, if we install a second mercurial in user-space, will it be able to read this repo? 15:04:25 that should work. 15:04:54 are there binaries we can install to any path, or do we have to build from source for that? 15:05:30 (my principle is that I prefer solutions where we just upgrade well-maintined tools rather than try to work around stuff in old versions) 15:05:46 (tends to reduce code duplication) 15:07:00 if only this damned hackego had less latency 15:07:08 I don't know. It's mostly python, but I don't know how they deal with changing file paths. 15:07:14 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:07:58 oops 15:08:02 I'm getting fork errors 15:08:11 ``` ls 15:08:42 ​/hackenv/bin/ls: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ /hackenv/bin/ls: fork: retry: No child processes \ /hackenv/bin/ls: fork: retry: No child processes \ /hackenv/bin/ls: fork: retry: No child processes \ /hackenv/bin/ls: fork: retry: No child processes \ /hackenv/bin/ls: fork: retry: No child processes 15:08:53 shachaf broke that 15:09:27 `` sed -i 's=(ls=(/bin/ls=' bin/ls 15:09:30 No output. 15:09:34 `` ls 15:09:35 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 15:10:20 ``` ps o "cmd" | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn 15:10:22 ​ 1 CMD 15:10:47 int-e: ah, thanks 15:14:06 ah nice, the hackego has multiarch lib directories 15:14:37 shiny 15:18:18 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:18:28 -!- gremlins has joined. 15:20:04 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:21:20 You know about the date format stuff? 15:22:24 apparently there's at least three different short format to identify an episode in a *tv series* by the ordinal of the season and the ordinal of the episode within the season together. 15:22:52 there's like "S6 E7", "607", and "6x07" and those are just the common ones 15:23:35 I think it's partly because people upload tv series episodes to video websites like youtube and want to make the name less easy to search so that youtube doesn't find it so quickly or something 15:26:07 -!- Reece` has joined. 15:27:10 @time tromp 15:27:10 Local time for tromp is Sun May 8 10:27:10 2016 15:27:22 `? logs 15:27:23 ​I think you might mean !logs 15:27:26 !logs 15:27:29 ^logs 15:27:32 %logs 15:27:35 &logs 15:27:37 $logs 15:27:38 <\oren\> I once saw S IV E III 15:27:39 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:28:01 <\oren\> yes, roman numerals. really. 15:28:57 <\oren\> also, I hate the way a lot of the tools at my workplace use american date format and I always get it wrong the first time 15:29:27 <\oren\> the UN should pass a resolution against middle-endian dates 15:31:48 -!- heroux has joined. 15:35:09 -!- gremlins has joined. 15:36:24 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:40:23 -!- Reece` has joined. 15:40:56 yeah 15:40:59 at least I have aliases lik 15:41:01 e 15:41:02 `datei 15:41:03 2016-05-08 14:40:59.791682000+00:00 15:41:04 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:41:37 -!- zzo38 has joined. 15:42:59 `date 15:43:00 Sun May 8 14:42:57 UTC 2016 15:45:57 How do I check for reason why the computer rebooted (if it is due to the operating system rather than hardware)? 15:46:26 zzo38: um, dunno, try to look in system logs for what happened before the reboot 15:53:26 How do I know which one is when it rebooted? 15:57:22 There are a lot of lines like this in the system log: May 7 22:39:01 zzo38computer CRON[23932]: (root) CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -depth -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetim 15:57:50 zzo38: I dunno 15:58:16 Can you tell me what it is for? It seem to be something related to PHP but why does it need to do that every half hour it seems? 15:58:28 -!- gremlins has joined. 15:58:31 oh by the way, zzo38: I took my old termbot and modified a little bit, and I'll try to improve it a bit more to make it more useful 15:58:38 it's currently running in #termbot in a partly broken state 15:58:42 but still tryable 15:58:53 OK 15:59:48 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:59:57 zzo38: as for that cron entry, try to look in your crontab (there's two of them, beware, a system one in /etc/cron.* and a per-user one in /var/spool/cron/crontabs ) 16:00:02 to see the full statement 16:01:32 O, it purges old sessions. I don't use PHP sessions, so should I disable that? 16:02:03 zzo38: I don't know, but I don't see why that would be a problem or why it would be related to your reboot 16:03:09 if you don't use php sessions and want to disable the purge cron task, then maybe also try to change the system so that if something tries to create a php session there, it fails 16:03:12 I think the reboot was due to power failure actually; I just looked at my clock now and it is flashing. 16:03:18 it's nice to have some useless cronjob around that narrows down the time of the crash :P 16:03:35 zzo38: ah, that's quite possible 16:03:43 -!- copumpkin has joined. 16:03:49 is there a UPS before that computer/ 16:04:13 The computer does have a UPS but the battery does not work so it is only acting as a surge protector. 16:05:04 I See 16:05:12 I have a separate surge protector and no UPS 16:06:04 although I'm not sure this surge protector actually works 16:06:08 maybe I should buy a new one... 16:06:41 I'll put that in my todo 16:07:16 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:10:12 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:41:53 wow 16:44:32 Do you like the JavaScript implementation of Internet Quiz Engine? 16:45:05 zzo38: I don't know anything about that. 16:45:35 It is http://zzo38computer.org/inquiz/inquiz.js 16:46:07 The C implementation is the canonical version though and new features will still be added to the C version first. 16:46:11 this is awesome, I didn't know about this => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen 16:46:47 -!- ybden has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:46:48 the awesome part isn't that such a thing can exist, or even that it might exist in the cores of gas giant planets 16:47:25 the awesome part is that experimental physicists say “core of Jupiter, eh? that sounds easy enough, let's build machines to replicate it.” 16:47:34 On period table hydrogen is on the left side, with the metals 16:47:41 zzo38: yes yes 16:48:02 zzo38: that it can become liquid at high pressure isn't too surprising 16:48:26 but that physicists seriously consider to test that experimentally by creating the large pressure, that is 16:48:30 it's like 16:49:26 experimental physicists are also writing articles about plausible ways of very expensive space-borne equipment to use some sort of lasers in space to create negative energy and wormholes and a time machine or something 16:50:35 they can't fund it yet because it would cost much more than some more space-based gravitational wave detector, which is already too expensive to get funded yet (although there are plans, both in China and outside) and would be MUCH more important and useful than any of the time machine stuff 16:51:17 but still, they don't just shrug it off as a practical impossibility and say it's the theoretical physicist's job to figure out how that stuff works and they can't help 16:53:00 -!- moon___ has joined. 16:54:49 hi 16:56:44 hi, moon 16:57:06 moon___: I figured out that the revert system disk command is currently broken, and wouldn't work if you tried it, so I disabled it for now, 16:57:14 but I can still revert the system disk manually when necessary 16:57:20 I might fix it later 16:57:29 in termbot that is 16:58:06 -!- Caesura has joined. 17:12:07 -!- moon___ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:22:33 -!- Caesura has changed nick to Caesura|Away. 17:23:20 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:29:14 Maybe I should add into inquiz.js the ability to parse namespaced comments, in case you want to use them for formatting in a custom front-end. 17:30:56 b_jonas: I think "mutating commands or commands that are interesting to other people go in the channel" is a reasonable rule. 17:36:34 shachaf: ok, I'll try to put more of the wisdom editing stuff in the channel then 17:36:42 even if it's boring and spamming 17:36:54 for now, just check out those ones in `lastwisdoms or something 17:36:55 Well, if it's boring, it probably oughtn't happen at all. 17:37:07 `lastwisdoms 17:37:13 ​/2016-05-08/ hydrogen // wisdom.pdf // wisdoms.pdf // gene ray // professor gene ray // english channel // oerjan // #esoteric // hfs // /2016-05-07/ amnesium // wisest human // adventure // timecube // time cube // tas // /2016-05-06/ huh // ta // acab // brainfuck // hms pinafore // wisdoom // tanebvention // bbc // ciol // /2016-05-05/ violat 17:37:32 `? gene ray 17:37:33 Dr Gene Ray is the Greatest Philosopher, and is the Greatest Mathematician. Cubic Harmonics. Only Cubic Harmonics can save humanity. Cubic Harmonics will pacify all religions. 96-hour Cubic Day debunks 1-day unnatural god. 96-hour day willdisprove disunity god. Academians are teaching - pseudocience. Worshipping a Word God will destroy the USA. 17:37:35 `? wisest human 17:37:37 Dr Gene Ray is the Greatest Philosopher, and is the Greatest Mathematician. Cubic Harmonics. Only Cubic Harmonics can save humanity. Cubic Harmonics will pacify all religions. 96-hour Cubic Day debunks 1-day unnatural god. 96-hour day willdisprove disunity god. Academians are teaching - pseudocience. Worshipping a Word God will destroy the USA. 17:37:37 `? adventure 17:37:39 You're in a 20 foot by 20 foot stone room. A stout oaken door banded with iron affords the only visible egress. As you approach the door, an imp appears. "Hello, INSERT NAME. To pass, you must solve my puzzle. SEE HANDOUT 1 ON PAGE 17." 17:37:39 `? timecube 17:37:40 EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 24 HORU ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother - She Left Belly B. Signature. Your dirty lying teachers use only the midnight to midnight 1 day (ignoring 3 other days) Time to not foul (already wrong) bible t 17:37:42 `? time cube 17:37:43 EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 24 HORU ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother - She Left Belly B. Signature. Your dirty lying teachers use only the midnight to midnight 1 day (ignoring 3 other days) Time to not foul (already wrong) bible t 17:37:53 `? wisdom.pdf 17:37:54 wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 17:37:55 `? wisdoms.pdf 17:37:58 wisdoms.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 17:38:08 there, now you've hopefully seen them 17:38:21 though there's some older ones I added earlier 17:38:25 That entry is too long. It's getting cut off. 17:38:41 entirely approperiate in this case I think 17:38:47 time cube is too long too 17:39:08 ``` \? time\ cube | dd bs=10 skip=30 17:39:11 10+1 records in \ 10+1 records out \ 106 bytes (106 B) copied, 0.26676 s, 0.4 kB/s \ her days) Time to not foul (already wrong) bible time. Lie that corrupts earth you educated stupid fools. 17:39:19 `? wisdoom 17:39:21 Wisdoom is realizing just too late how you could have avoided your demise. 17:42:17 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:45:03 -!- acertain has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:46:19 So, about Pentavus: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pentavus 17:46:40 It has this ability: "(1), Remove a +1/+1 counter from Pentavus: Put a 1/1 colorless Pentavite artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield." 17:46:55 And also this one: "(1), Sacrifice a Pentavite: Put a +1/+1 counter on Pentavus." 17:47:31 I wonder what would happen if it didn't have that second ability, and that first ability instead said: 17:48:07 (1), Remove a +1/+1 counter from Pentavus: Put a 1/1 colorless Pentavite artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield. It has "(1), Sacrifice Pentavite: Put a +1/+1 counter on Pentavus." 17:49:28 tswett: no way. then you'd somehow have to remember which Pentavus was created from where. It'd be a serious memory issue, and I'm not even sure the rules support that. Also, you couldn't sacrifice lorwyn-goats to the Pentavus then. 17:49:48 Do you mean "a creature named Pentavus"? 17:49:51 Use bits of string to keep track. 17:50:00 shachaf: no, I mean Pentavus. 17:50:52 bits of string? 17:51:12 Yeah, lay one end of the string on a Pentavite and the other end on its Pentavus. 17:51:36 It could say "on the permanent that created this token" if you want to clarify but yes you will need to keep track. 17:53:29 zzo38: no way. "on the permanent that created this token" would be disastrous because it's no longer clear it's linked to the first ability or how it even works if that penatvite was created as a copy (eg. by a populate ability) 17:55:04 Then it would be placed on the permanent with the populate ability (if it is a permanent that still exists). Also you can sacrifice it and do nothing if the permanent that created it is now gone. Although, writing "{1}, Sacrifice this creature: Put a +1/+1 counter on ~." could be worked too yes, I suppose. I am not sure if rule support it or not 17:55:38 -!- acertain has joined. 17:55:38 zzo38: what is something a lot of people enjoy doing that you would NEVER do? 17:56:03 Sex, I suppose. 17:56:26 I can't think of any thing else that a lot of people do but I don't. 17:56:38 I'm pretty sure the rules do support this... I feel like I saw a real card that used this sort of thing. 17:57:18 `unidecode Saint Petersburg 17:57:19 ​[U+0053 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0050 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S 17:57:29 `unidecode Saint Petersburg 17:57:30 ​[U+0053 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0050 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S 17:57:50 zzo38: I think you can refer to the identity of the card that gives an ability only if the ability that gives the ability is a continuous one, like on Blazing Torch 17:57:52 zzo38: writing fiction? 17:57:56 -!- ybden has joined. 17:58:11 zzo38: what if the token is copied by a Clone? 17:58:30 quintopia: It is possible I could write fiction I don't know 17:58:47 Oh yeah, Blazing Torch is this sort of thing. 17:58:54 My answer to quintopia's question would be smoking tobacco. 17:59:13 zzo38: I for one think the way pentavus works is the best. They can integrate with any Penatvite, including crib swapped babies, not only Pentavites created by them. Much simpler. 17:59:24 b_jonas: Then nothing created it, so my proposed version would do nothing if you sacrifice the Clone. 17:59:46 Hankyu! 17:59:50 that's the one I was looking fro 17:59:59 b_jonas: Yes I think that does work, it can even work with other permanents with the Pentavite subtype (including ones with changeling) 18:00:14 Hankyu is the best example for a continuous effect that grants an ability that refers to the permanent with the ability with that effect 18:00:14 zzo38 writes fiction. Haven't you read danddreclist? 18:00:30 You're welcome. 18:00:37 I just couldn't recall its name 18:00:41 And it mean you can use Artificial Evolution to modify it 18:00:49 (it's not a good card, mind you) 18:00:54 zzo38: yeah 18:01:08 shachaf: i have but i don't remember what it is 18:01:10 shachaf: Yes there is that. I don't know how much other fiction I would really write, or how many books in general I would write. 18:01:24 shachaf: was it ideas for campaigns or documenting past campaigns? 18:01:31 Although smoking is also something I would probably never do 18:02:20 smoking is decreasingly popular anyway. even vaping seems no more popular than cigarettes were not long ago 18:03:10 Yes I know that too, that is why I did not mention it at first; it isn't so popular in more recent times 18:03:20 is smoking decreasing really? I thought it decreased until the 2000s but now it's sort of stagnating 18:03:23 but I'm not sure 18:03:55 Another thing I am unlikely to do is to carry a cellular phone with touch screen and whatever 18:04:40 zzo38: the touch screen is just half of what bothers me 18:04:44 Why do you want to know what is something a lot of people enjoy but I don't? 18:04:48 about those phones that is 18:05:02 It is to me also just half of what bothers me though 18:05:44 zzo38: Why wouldn't you carry a cellular phone with touch screen and whatever? 18:05:48 I'll have to find a good traditional mobile phone for my grandmother and eventually (possibly only a few years later) for myself. And it's getting increasingly difficult. 18:06:07 I can use a landline phone. 18:06:36 zzo38: Only when you're on land. 18:06:38 http://pepesnonsmokingpartytimelounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Smoking-rates.jpg seems to still be declining 18:07:28 quintopia: that's for the US 18:07:41 I'm more interested about Europe, and the urbanized parts 18:07:44 zzo38: mainly because i wondered on the probability you would consider writing a novel. i know a lot of people who like writing. 18:08:21 I don't know what is the probability that I would consider writing a novel. It is very difficult for me to answer, but I am more likely to write a computer program anyways. 18:08:50 "Smoking is rising alarmingly in Austria; the Eurobarometer found an increase of smoking prevalence in Austria from 31% (2006) to 33% (2012)." (sigh) 18:08:54 b_jonas: dropping everywhere but russia: http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/smoking-rates-oecd.jpg 18:09:08 zzo38: What if it was a novel computer program? 18:09:18 How would that be? 18:10:12 @wn novel 18:10:14 *** "novel" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 18:10:14 novel 18:10:14 adj 1: original and of a kind not seen before; "the computer 18:10:14 produced a completely novel proof of a well-known 18:10:14 theorem" [syn: {fresh}, {new}, {novel}] 18:10:16 [7 @more lines] 18:10:30 As we know, computer programs are proofs. 18:11:18 quintopia: that's the change in period 1990 to 2010. smoking was certainly declining between 1990 and 2000, I know that. 18:11:33 O, that's how it is. Yes certainly possibly it can be 18:11:51 b_jonas: except in Russia 18:12:04 How do I know if the program is similar to other one or not? I do not necessarily know, because I wrote it independently. 18:12:05 (there's no more recent data for all of europe or the world readily available) 18:12:17 but there is this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zbX7pcC-glo/TzW7zTA7n4I/AAAAAAAAA24/fXpONiMaO8Y/s1600/Smoking+obesity.JPG 18:12:30 "One reason for this may be because Austria is one of the last EU countries where the minimum age for purchasing tobacco is 16 years of age. In 2006, state revenues from sales to minors amounted to €60.5 billion -- a breath-taking sum of money." -- brilliant word choice near the end. 18:12:32 looks like people are turning in their cigarettes for food 18:12:41 a good decision 18:13:10 int-e: oh, there might be a point in that 18:13:37 in Hungary, these days it's actually enforced that people under 18 can't buy tobacco (they can still smoke, but they can't buy it) 18:14:00 and the same is enforced about alcohol 18:14:21 I'm not sure when exactly that started, after 2000 or before 18:14:33 there's of course still tons of ways around it 18:17:15 eg. since a few months ago, Blaha Lujza tér actually has a nice huge banner next to the McDonalds that buying or selling cigarettes without tax stickers is illegal, advertising to everyone the exact spot where you can meet the shady people who sell untaxed tobacco when the policemen don't happen to be around 18:17:53 there's a few other spots in the city, like Bosnyák tér, but there aren't many, so the prominent banner helps a lot to anyone who's looking for that sort of thing. 18:21:18 hi, int-e! 18:21:19 I laughed hard when they put up that banner. 18:21:42 thx for the commits. you've been real busy:) 18:23:00 still haven't figured out why the self-distributive law actually works out in the end 18:23:14 there's one big mystery in your laver2.lam though 18:23:19 I guess I could read the literature. 18:23:23 ah? 18:23:52 i wld expect f_a^{mx-b}(a-1) 18:24:17 where you have f_a^{mxb)(0) 18:24:23 mx * b = -b (mod mx+1) 18:24:53 (and mx+1 = 2^n is a multiple of the period of the f_a thing) 18:26:22 aha; that's cute! but why (0) instead of (a-1) ? 18:26:48 yes why? 18:27:12 oh, the code actually uses a-1, just the comment is wrong 18:28:44 because mx - b = -b-1 (mod 2^n), but I'm computing -b (mod 2^n), so I need to go one more step back in the iteration. 18:29:04 no, it uses 0: (\f\x. x) 18:29:34 the pred is part of the implementation of f_a 18:29:54 oh, right 18:30:32 (context if anybody else cares: https://github.com/tromp/AIT/blob/master/laver2.lam ) 18:33:46 i need to convince myself that that all recursion is founded:) 18:34:24 have you seen the haskell program? 18:34:56 it may be easier to reason about... and to play around with 18:35:11 i ran it once; didn't study source yet 18:35:41 * int-e will go for a walk while it's still light outside, see you later 18:35:53 enjoy 18:38:54 i shld call my mom:-) 18:43:13 <\oren\> yay, pressing backspace no longer causes a segmentation fault! 18:43:19 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:43:36 \oren\: In what program is that? 18:43:42 -!- boily has quit (Quit: NOBODY CHICKEN). 18:43:48 <\oren\> I'm writing a text editor 18:44:21 \oren\: great! I'd like one as well 18:45:22 I'd like a good text editor, but creating one would be very difficult. I was thinking about it, and there are lots of difficult parts. I might still try at some point, but not yet. 18:45:50 I think vim is mostly good 18:46:07 <\oren\> I started by writing a string library and my own nih version of ncurses 18:46:34 zzo38: I can tell what I really don't like in vim if someone wants a rant. 18:47:02 OK you can say. (There are a few thing I also don't like on vim but I think it is mostly good) 18:47:46 (it's things emacs has got right, but I also don't like emacs) 18:47:49 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:48:27 I think many things built-in doesn't need to be it can use external programs instead and implement macros to execute them. 18:49:07 What I really don't like is how it treats newlines specially, so I can't place my cursor on a newline. This limitation implies you have to use lots of extra commands to be able to do everything: 18:49:53 you have a separate i and a to be able to insert before or after a character, p and P to put before or after the cursor, lots of crazy movements to be able to yank any substring, etc. 18:50:15 There's also the line-wise and inclusive movements and line-wise yank-puts that I don't like, which is somewhat similar. 18:51:09 i and a would most likely be there even if you can select a newline 18:51:09 In emacs, you can just put the cursor on any character or past the last character, and then insert or put before that character, or delete between any two cursor positions, and this means you can do anything after you learn a few basic commands. 18:51:20 just because of I and A 18:51:43 but i get the point 18:51:58 I like how in vim there are lots of extra commands to be able to do things more conveniently, but still, I'd like to be able to do things with very few commands as a beginner, rather than having to learn lots of extra commands because of stupid limitations forced on me. 18:52:53 i like vim having kind of a grammar 18:54:09 As a particular example, consider how backspacing characters works in emacs. To backspace characters right to left from the cursor from any point in the line other than the end, you press X repeatedly. To backspace characters from the end of the line, you have your cursor on the last character of the line, then press x repeatedly, where x normally deletes characters ahead of you from left to right, but in this case it works backwards. It's mind-screwing. 18:54:47 b_jonas: I don't see how "crazy movements for yanking" relates to not being able to move atop a newline 18:59:01 FireFly: that's mostly about the inclusive-exclusive and linewise stuff. my cursor is inside a non-empty line, 3 characters from the end. how do I yank characters up to before the newline? you can press y3l or y$ despite that 3l or $ wouldn't actually move to the newline, it would move to before it. 18:59:29 Ah 18:59:58 how do you cut characters up to the end of the line including the newline? It's dv+ right? you wouldn't know if you didn't read that crazy stuff from the manual in detail like I do. 19:00:08 but these are the easy ones where there's a movement 19:00:27 Hmm, what does v+ do? 19:00:30 if there's no suitable movement, normally you select a range by marking one end with mb then yank with d`b 19:00:58 I would probably v$d 19:01:15 ybden: dunno, vi magic. you're not supposed to know, because vi doesn't work like that. you have to like read the manual for years to be able to figure out basic stuff like this. it's not like learning 50 simple commands and being able to do everything. 19:01:22 FireFly: that doesn't yank the newline, does it? 19:01:27 -!- Tiktalik has joined. 19:01:28 Since visual-mode allows me to select the newline at the end of the line 19:01:33 I think it does? 19:01:40 if there's no suitable movement, normally you select a range by marking one end with mb then yank with d`b -- if you want to yank to the end of a line, this doesn't work, because you can't mark a newline 19:01:43 it seems to when I tried it no 19:01:46 w 19:02:08 FireFly: no, but v+y works I think 19:02:35 I get the same behaviour if I v$d or v+d 19:02:40 b_jonas: v$d/y does indeed delete/yank the line 19:02:41 from what I can tell 19:02:53 FireFly: v$y lets you select up to the newline, and yank before it, because in visual mode $ actually lets you move to the newline, which you aren't normally allowed to do, 19:03:06 and v+y lets you yank including the newline just like yv$ does 19:03:08 um 19:03:11 just like yv+ does 19:04:30 I don't get the behaviour you describe when I v$y 19:04:42 Another example, this one about acting on a whole line with operators 19:05:45 To indent this line and the next one (two lines together) you press >2> right? easy peasy. How do you indent two lines by three places? 3>2> you'd think? no good, that doesn't work. >2>2. doesn't work either. 19:06:00 3>j doesn't work either 19:06:14 > just doesn't accept a repeat count, no matter what you do, because it applies the repeat count to the range 19:06:16 :1:35: parse error on input ‘,’ 19:07:11 I have NO FUCKING IDEA HOW I CAN INDENT WITH A NUMERICAL REPEAT COUNT SHORT OF qq>2>q2@q 19:07:13 The indentation command don't work so well so I use my own 19:07:28 sorry, lambdabot 19:08:27 there are a lot of configs that mark the lines you just indebted 19:08:34 so you can just > again 19:08:35 I would like a vim where all the movement commands are strictly character-based exclusive, and you could put the cursor to any newline (not just those in empty lines) and one past the end of the file. 19:09:06 myname: oh right, Vj3> actually works 19:09:08 good to know 19:09:29 Hmm, what for putting it past the end of the file? Filling a selection with characters? 19:10:28 b_jonas: go file a pull request on neovim 19:10:34 ybden: what? it's the same as why you want it at the end of a line. to be able to insert characters anywhere (even the end of the file) with i or put characters anywhere with P or to be able to yank up to anywhere (possibly including the last character of the file too) 19:11:15 myname: I'm not sure that can even be implemented. don't vim commands sort of assume that the cursor can't be at the eol of a non-empty line and some would just segfault or something if it is? 19:11:25 b_jonas: Oh, I misinterpreted that as some number of characters after the EOF 19:11:28 Not just at it 19:11:42 b_jonas: you can check for it :p 19:13:08 myname: no thanks. editor, terminal emulator, shell, those are the kind of programs that I want really stable and never segfault on me or have bugs. and this includes I compile urxvt without a perl interpreter embedded in it, unlike everyone else, because the right way to make a terminal emulator stable and never segfault on me is to make it small rather than to put a whole perl interpreter and all sorts of "plugins" in the same fucking process. 19:13:30 If I want fancy additions, I put them in external processes, like text filters invoked with the | command for an editor. 19:14:22 what stuff can you do with plugins on urxvt? :o 19:15:11 I agree to use external program for many kind of things, vim can do that too but also has built-in stuff 19:15:34 myname: I've no idea? people try to link stuff in every program. it happens at my workplace too. somehow people think that everything absolutely must happen in the same process, so that a memory corruption bug can cause bugs elsewhere in whole process and you can never localize what caused it, 19:16:14 -!- Moon__ has joined. 19:16:15 and somehow also that writing temporary files is somehow bad and you have to patch everything to be able to put the data in memory instead of into a temporary file. 19:16:31 hi 19:16:31 I come from the unix world and don't understand how either of these ideas work. 19:16:36 I also wanted to make a terminal emulator. It doesn't need perl interpreter or toolbar or whatever, although I should implement all of the control codes. 19:16:37 They're just stupid. 19:17:33 zzo38: terminal emulator is one of those programs I definitely don't want to write, even if I have lots of free time and reimplement lots of stuff, because urxvt is good enough. Sure, I patch urxvt, or debug it, but those are both rare compared to how much it already gets just right. 19:17:41 there's this terminal emulator for osx that can display pictures 19:18:21 zzo38: you could look at LeoNerd's libvterm library 19:18:38 it has very good control code coverage in my experience 19:18:40 Xterm can display pictures too, by using Sixel graphics. 19:18:43 There was one bug in urxvt I had to debug, until it turned out that it manifested because I build with strange compilation options. That sort of thing seems to happen a lot in my workplace too, where the programs we develop crash or have bugs in ways that manifest for me much more frequently than for others, because of how I use the programs. 19:19:11 myname: I don't want that sort of thing in a terminal emulator. I want the terminal emulator to be small and stable. 19:19:23 There are a few control sequences that I deliberately do not want to implement, but I would implement most of the xterm stuff and also a few DEC VT stuff that xterm does not support. 19:19:36 there's this one feature i think is neat: scrolling in time 19:20:30 `swat myname 19:20:32 ​.ACTION swats myname -----###. 19:20:41 zzo38: yeah, there's a few features I am considering to deliberately disable in urxvt too 19:20:50 zzo38: there's one I already conditionally disabled, namely mouse support 19:20:54 but there's more 19:21:01 I even add some stuff 19:21:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:21:12 So I would also have it to display pictures using Sixel graphics. (There are other protocols that may be used by some terminal emulators for display pictures but I don't put any of those) 19:21:14 s/mouse support/application mouse support/ 19:22:25 I would make it to change the mouse cursor shape to XC_arrow when application mouse support is selected so that you can easily tell the difference, if you hold shift it changes back to XC_xterm so that you can still use it for the ordinary function too 19:24:35 anyway, despite all the tiny negatives, urxvt works really well, and I use it a lot, and, I know this is calling fate against me, but still I dare to do it: urxvt has never crashed for me. never. 19:24:39 not even when I patched it. 19:25:02 I know it's dangerous to say that, because I recently called out how 7zip never crashes, then a day after that is crashed. 19:25:11 but I'm confident I can do that for urxvt. 19:26:06 Also I would support only the X bitmap fonts and no antialiased fonts or other formats. 19:26:56 Where can I get an SSH acct 19:27:30 zzo38: currently I use urxvt with X bitmap fonts, but I think eventually I may want to display graymap fonts in it, because graymap font can be more readable than a bitmap one 19:27:32 Also many resource settings are not needed because it can instead be done by adding one resource containing initialization string which is executed when the terminal resets; any escape codes in there are parsed to set the terminal settings. 19:28:30 I am making my font bigmap because it's easier to create and use, not because bitmap is somehow inherently better than graymap, I don't know about \oren\ 19:31:12 I think bitmap fonts is better in most cases 19:31:36 zzo38: why? 19:31:58 zzo38: you're not using some sort of ultra-high resolution monitor, are you? 19:32:14 as in, one with resolution higher than 150 pixels per inch 19:32:50 if you were using a 360 dpi monitor, then I could understand saying that bitmap fonts are better 19:33:04 It isn't ultra-high resolution 19:34:41 It is 96 pixels per inch it looks like 19:34:53 (I measured it) 19:35:26 zzo38: right, so normal resolution. 19:37:29 Yes and I am using xterm with the default "fixed" bitmap font. 19:37:55 zzo38: didn't you have some sort of modified font? 19:38:10 no wait, that wasn't you 19:38:12 sorry 19:38:17 zzo38: at what font size? 19:38:30 "At the beginning of your upkeep, if you cast Santhon Airood, sacrifice it unless you exile it, and put it onto the battlefield. Then destroy it." 19:38:59 tswett: what? 19:39:12 That's from a RoboRosewater card. 19:40:09 b_jonas: 6x9 19:41:53 tswett: It is no sense, I think. 19:42:26 "If you cast Santhon Airood" is an interesting condition. I'm trying to figure out what it means. 19:42:30 tswett: what object are you destroying? 19:42:41 The object that you put onto the battlefield. 19:42:51 oh, a RoboRosewater card. that explains it. 19:43:11 tswett: I think "If you cast Santhon Airood" does makes sense. it's the "Then destroy it." which I don't get. 19:43:24 tswett: there are cards with conditions like "if you cast it" for when it etb 19:43:37 int-e: i committed tiny improvements, size 212 now 19:43:39 tswett: Phage is the famousest 19:43:53 You either sacrifice or exile the card. Then you put the sacrificed or exiled card onto the battlefield. Then you put the card that you put onto the battlefield into your graveyard. 19:44:10 tswett: oh, that's not how I read it 19:44:48 tswett: I thought you either exile the card and put otb, or else sacrifice it but then don't put otb. 19:45:01 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:45:08 but ... dunno 19:45:16 it doesn't make much sense in any way 19:45:35 oh, do you guys remember those random recipes mentioned at some point in this channel? 19:45:40 they were so funny I lmao on them 19:45:49 -!- heroux has joined. 19:45:51 I wonder if I can find them 19:45:54 food recipes that is 19:45:56 `? recipe 19:46:01 recipe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:46:07 I should be able to find those. 19:46:08 does hackego have a log search? 19:46:10 !logs 19:46:13 they're certainly in the logs 19:46:20 https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc 19:46:20 but I don't have a local copy of the logs I think 19:46:36 `slashlearn recipe/Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc 19:46:39 Learned «recipe» 19:46:47 tswett: thanks, that was quickl 19:46:52 "In a mixing bowl, beat butter until smooth. Drain on both sides of the refrigerator." 19:47:15 yes, they're still very funny 19:47:35 "In medium saucepan, beat egg whites in a large bowl.)" 19:47:59 sounds like the worst cookbook ever 19:48:03 "Cover and simmer for about 10 hours, stirring constantly." 19:48:37 *goes back to document on a circuit based cellular automa8 19:50:00 -!- Caesura|Away has changed nick to Caesura. 19:52:02 `? robososewater 19:52:04 robososewater? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:52:40 Moon__: it's hilarious to me because it's good with syntax but SO badly screwing up food semantics that even I can see how horribly not working any of those recipes are 19:52:43 1 teaspoon salt. 1 teaspoon salt. Salt and pepper, for leaves. 2 cups Grand Marnier. 3 cups water. 1/2 cup flour, softened. 1/2 cup microwave oil. 19:52:43 `? cookbook 19:52:45 cookbook? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:52:53 ``` cp -vi wisdom/{recipe,cookbook} 19:52:56 ​`wisdom/recipe' -> `wisdom/cookbook' 19:53:09 3 pounds canned thinly sliced salt. 19:53:59 3 pounds meating chile pepper. Whipped topping. Cream, chopped, sweetened, softened, drained, sliced.' 19:54:17 It doesn't understand how you usually want to stick with either salty ingredients or sweet ones but not both (there are lots of exceptions, but you don't just mix everything at random), it doesn't understand how amounts works so it often tries to take a kilogram of salt with a gram of vegetable, 19:54:58 and it doesn't understand how the items in the ingredient lists should be at least related to the items you mention in the instructions. 19:54:59 How long do you have to put the oil in microwave though? 19:55:11 so whats makeing this stuff up? 19:55:46 And how much salt and pepper, for leaves? 19:56:06 It says "1 teaspoon salt" twice possibly due to you need for two different mixes. 19:57:21 Moon__: a neural net. Karpathy's famous char-rnn program. 19:57:32 zzo38: however much the leaves require. 19:57:46 b_jonas: I actually thought it did pretty well with amounts. 19:59:05 I don't even think it's "microwaved oil". It's 1/2 cup of microwave oil. 19:59:11 I don't generally oil microwaves. 20:01:27 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:02:27 Microwave oil is that oily stuff that you use to heat things in the microwave if they're not normally microwavable. 20:03:39 I once saw in a book mention a recipe for a Chinese food on a container of bean curd. Other than chicken and bean curd it did not give the amount for any of the ingredients. Also the ingredient list includes "gourmet powder" which is not mentioned in the rest of the recipe. There are also two items not listed in the ingredients which are used later on, which are monosodium and a duck. 20:04:17 Maybe "gourmet powder" means MSG. 20:06:06 I think the cookbook guy is funny because it doesn't seem to have any concept of hardware conservation (fancy people call that "object permanence"), and all babies learn the concept of hardware conservation way before they can form two-word sentences, even in humorous unrealistic fiction with talking babies, because it's such a basic princible you can't have common grounds without it. 20:07:58 I think it's probably pretty much incapable of remembering what ingredients it's already mentioned. 20:08:49 tswett: yeah. and that applies not only to the ingredient list or the instructions, but also the title and header (including title) and the footers 20:10:41 "STRAWBERRY CALF" hehe 20:11:02 im working on something: https://docs.google.com/document/d/181jLmLri6JhxXStLCDOSMt6iSsDln6z9MBv8UlYOFZE/edit?usp=sharing 20:11:29 someone should add the best url(s) to wisdom/RoboRosewater 20:12:26 -!- augur has joined. 20:12:49 a "BASIC SAUCE" made of over 30 ingredients, 6 of which is salt 20:12:55 I think salt is its favourite ingredient 20:13:47 "stirring constantly overnight" -- hehe 20:13:56 that's a nice instruction 20:14:04 whats the link to see this maddness 20:14:10 `? recipes 20:14:12 Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc 20:14:14 Moon__: ^ 20:14:24 tromp: ah, you swapped the arguments, should've tried that 20:15:24 also swapped the two versions laver*.lam 20:15:44 yes, which made the diff a bit useless... 20:15:44 since mine didnt do much yet 20:15:54 do you think I can just buy Self-raspoted coriander Ironicle in a shop, or do I have to raspot it myself? 20:15:55 sorry about that:( 20:16:17 I just didn't want to interfere with your work 20:17:01 "Fill the cacaof and or steaming, or should be for a mortar." 20:17:12 feel free to modify laver.lam 20:17:28 "NOTE: This form of plastic wrap can be furts of hotters and soak breads." 20:17:31 ah yes, good to know 20:18:09 btw, row 10 of the 8x8 laver table seems to go like 0 1 8 9 0 1 8 9 ... 20:18:14 https://docs.google.com/document/d/181jLmLri6JhxXStLCDOSMt6iSsDln6z9MBv8UlYOFZE/edit?usp=sharing 20:18:21 im deviseing a esolang there 20:18:26 feel free to leave comments 20:19:15 but it's nice that trhe search can be started from the smallest laver table 20:20:24 tromp: oh it seems I broke the pretty-printing part of my program... tsk 20:20:40 This reminds me 20:21:22 fixed. 20:21:45 i noticed something weird about the blc compiler 20:22:09 if i add a def: four = two tow; after the one for two, then the size increases by 4 bits 20:22:19 the humorist Hofi had a show where he made fun of cooking TV shows. He brings up a case where the video shows the cook taking a pan from the cupboard, the audio says "Take a greased pan", and the video cuts to showing a greased pan, saying something to the effect of "what a good idea! I'll store the pan in the cupboard pre-greased too." 20:22:27 even though four is not used and should be stripped out 20:22:37 that's a milder case of this lack of object permanence 20:22:37 <\oren\> Sprinkle each zucchini; add cheese, salt, flour, salt and butter. Add to coat with butter; cook. Add sugar, salt, and almonds. 20:23:04 tromp: it can still affect other beta reduction ("inlining") decisions 20:23:13 these recipes would TOTALLY just use a greased pan, and wouldn't even bother taking a pan off the cupboard or announcing "take". they'd just say "in a greased pan". 20:23:31 hi, \oren\ 20:23:33 haven't seen you 20:23:39 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: gtg). 20:23:41 (since references to everything defined earlier will look bigger) 20:23:47 I mean 20:23:48 \helloren\ 20:24:38 Are you going to cook any of these things? 20:24:47 zzo38: no 20:25:16 at least I think it was Hofi… maybe it was someone else 20:25:45 <\oren\> I'm working on my editor 20:26:02 oh right, you were here, you did mention an editor 20:26:08 <\oren\> now it segfaults when I press down down backspace 20:26:20 then I told why I don't like vim 20:27:24 no, seriously 20:27:47 what's the best url(s) for RoboRosewater? if you search, you find lots of references and opinions and twitter posts, but no specific original stuff 20:28:51 This RoboRosewater works for me https://mobile.twitter.com/roborosewater it also contains a link to the forum which also contains stuff 20:29:09 `fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc/raw/4fac7a2b87d7b4e042c3117dea11b2993239a964/neural%2520net%2520cooking%2520recipes.txt 20:29:16 2016-05-08 19:29:11 URL:https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc/raw/4fac7a2b87d7b4e042c3117dea11b2993239a964/neural%2520net%2520cooking%2520recipes.txt [83573/83573] -> "neural%20net%20cooking%20recipes.txt" [1] 20:29:35 ``` ls 20:29:36 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ neural%20net%20cooking%20recipes.txt \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 20:29:43 ``` ls share 20:29:44 8ballreplies \ Complaints.mp3 \ UnicodeData.txt \ WordData \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ units.dat \ usercmds 20:29:58 tromp: uh, you destroyed the 16. 20:30:11 ``` mkdir share/recipe && mv -vi "neural%20net%20cooking%20recipes.txt" share/recipe/recpies.txt 20:30:15 mkdir: cannot create directory `share/recipe': File exists 20:30:27 what 20:30:46 ``` stat share/recipe 20:30:48 ​ File: `share/recipe' \ Size: 4096 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 directory \ Device: 12h/18dInode: 927686 Links: 2 \ Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-05-08 19:30:11.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2016-05-08 19:30:10.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2016-05-08 19:30:10.000000000 +000 20:30:57 ``` ls -a share/recipe 20:31:01 ​. \ .. 20:31:11 ```mv -vi "neural%20net%20cooking%20recipes.txt" share/recipe/recpies.txt 20:31:12 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ``mv: not found 20:31:13 ``` mv -vi "neural%20net%20cooking%20recipes.txt" share/recipe/recpies.txt 20:31:16 ​`neural%20net%20cooking%20recipes.txt' -> `share/recipe/recpies.txt' 20:31:34 tromp: anyway, the difference is that (\two (\x. x x) two) two becomes (\two (two two)) two instead of (\x. x x) two. But the (\x. x x) should be (\x. x x x) 20:32:19 oops, lemme fix that 20:32:37 ``` perl -e 'local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print;' < share/recipe/recipes.txt 20:32:39 bash: share/recipe/recipes.txt: No such file or directory 20:32:59 what 20:33:02 'recpies' 20:33:05 lol 20:33:15 ah 20:33:16 you named it recpies 20:33:32 ``` mv -vi share/recipe/rec{pi,ipi}es.txt 20:33:34 ​`share/recipe/recpies.txt' -> `share/recipe/recipies.txt' 20:33:39 ``` perl -e 'local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print;' < share/recipe/recipes.txt 20:33:40 bash: share/recipe/recipes.txt: No such file or directory 20:33:47 ``` mv -vi share/recipe/rec{ipi,ip}es.txt 20:33:48 recursive pies? 20:33:49 ``` perl -e 'local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print;' < share/recipe/recipes.txt 20:33:50 ​`share/recipe/recipies.txt' -> `share/recipe/recipes.txt' 20:33:51 to a rack. \ Meanwhile, combine all at a time, bacon the eggs on serving platesly. Sprinkle the \ pepper to taste and set aside. And toppings in the oven and brown flavors of \ flour, and the olive oil if needed. Remove the cake. Add lemon \ juice, flour and sugar. Remove from oven and refrigerate at least 4 hours, or \ until ce 20:33:56 ``` perl -e 'local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print;' < share/recipe/recipes.txt 20:33:57 ine \ 1 sm Green onions; sliced \ 2 ts Instant cloves \ 1/3 c Chopped onion \ 1/2 c Water; or margarine \ 4 Cloves garlic; chopped \ 3 tb Oil flour \ 1 c Peanuts; crushed \ 1 c Cooked corn chopped \ 1 1/2 c Honey \ 1/4 c Chopped coriander \ 1/4 c Walnut, cut into 2 cups \ 2 c Pa 20:34:13 ``` perl -e 'local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print=~y/ \t/ /sr;' < share/recipe/recipes.txt 20:34:14 ​ 1/2 cup bowl, \ invert onto bottom of dough onto a weighright fryer. \ \ Serve in bite-sing four sauce. Steam the rice into a bowl combine the butter. \ Reduce the heat to low, adding more sugar and pepper. Stir in the \ flour, baking soda and pepper. Stir together, salt, and let place for \ about 10 minutes. \ \ Add the beans and sal 20:34:15 oil flour/ wat 20:34:55 `randomrecipe 20:34:55 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: randomrecipe: not found 20:34:59 `recipe 20:35:00 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: recipe: not found 20:35:06 i was contacted by lambda bot with a message: butterfingers 20:35:22 `` shuf -n 3 share/recipe/recipes.txt 20:35:24 ​ Title: CARROT CACOA CHILI CHICKEN \ 2 c Canned cornmeal \ 2/3 c Butter or margarine 20:35:24 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\n''exec perl -e '\''local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print=~y/ \t/ /sr;'\'' < share/recipe/recipes.txt' > bin/recipe && chmod a+x bin/recipe 20:35:26 someone sent me that message >_> 20:35:27 No output. 20:35:28 `recipe 20:35:30 `recipe 20:35:30 dough over the pan. Combine the \ pears, and lemon juice over the first cookie sheet. Garnish with the \ completely with melted butter, stirring, over low heat, uncovered \ for 3 minutes. Spoon a cookie sheet and bake in 375 degree oven for \ 40 minutes or until the meat is tender, turning after the chicken pieces is \ light brown. \ \ Ligh 20:35:31 es, Also, \ Light in the hot potatoes of only excess. \ \ Source: "Whole" \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: HUNGARIAN SOUR CHERRY POT PHIG PART \ Categories: Desserts \ Yield: 6 Servings \ \ 2 c Sugar \ 2 lb Noother pineapples \ 1 sm Onion; chopped \ 2 cn Walnuts \ 2 Cloves garlic, minced \ 1 20:35:32 `recipe 20:35:32 t and then add the mustard seeds and dill well \ potatoes in fork and stir until the mixture is softened. Add the \ remaining ingredients. Add the sugar and blend well. \ Beat in half and stir until they are tender. \ \ From: desserts (Norma) Cholesterol 1996. Diviping the recipe formated by DetErre \ Harmlloupwy Posted by Canadian Mexennt A 20:36:35 `ftoc 375 20:36:37 375.00°F = 190.56°C 20:37:34 "bake in 375 oven for \ 40 minutes or until the meat is tender, turning after the chicken pieces is \ light brown." make sense 20:37:53 that's from ALMOND MUSTARD 20:40:33 although if the chicken pieces are into the paper towels to soften, then how do I see when they're light brown? 20:41:20 I imagine that if you wait long enough you'll get all sorts of colors... 20:41:27 It's funny when it uses words like "the remaining" which only make sense in first place if you do know hardware conservation. 20:42:47 Ah I see, I bake it for 30 minutes in a medium skillet into the paper towels to soften, but then the oil is finely brown off the balls, and food color, and at that point I move them to the light good pot of the bowl, so they're no longer into paper towls 20:43:08 They're in the greased 13x9" (3-quart) baking sheet 20:43:13 in the oven I guess 20:43:25 no wait, maybe they're out onto a bowl instead 20:43:33 dunno 20:43:40 both the cooking sheet and the bowl 20:43:55 <\oren\> AARGH 20:44:04 \oren\: now it segfaults at startup? 20:44:10 Hmm, is this an actual recipe, or an esolang? 20:44:11 [wiki] [[Circuitrite]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46984 * Moon * (+239) if anyone wants to move data from the doc to here, please do so 20:44:13 <\oren\> is memmove even implemented properly??? 20:44:25 `? recipe 20:44:26 Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc 20:44:26 ybden: ^ 20:44:33 afk for a walk myself 20:44:33 \oren\: not on solaris, I hear 20:44:35 b_jonas: Ah, thanks 20:44:55 lol 20:45:13 "CHINESE MEAT OF 2" <- this is somewhat worrisome 20:45:22 oh god 20:45:24 ybden: it's not chef, in particular. chef does have object permanece, where ingredients are in bowls, you don't just put them into bowls or remove them from bowls, they're actually in the bowls and stay there until you do something to change that. 20:45:34 it could be worse... chinese meat of four... 20:45:39 ybden: recipe gives a random quote from it 20:45:44 I mean `recipe 20:45:45 int-e: :D: 20:45:52 b_jonas: Ah, I see 20:46:11 `recipe 20:46:12 eel flour \ 1 tb Minced fresh green onion \ Sauce \ Salt & pepper \ \ Combine flour, cocoa and milk. \ Cook for 5 minutes, stirring often. Beat with all sides of the up and simmering well. Bake at 350\F8 \ depeed to directions, then immediately. \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: CATRICO'S & LEMON P 20:46:21 `recipe 20:46:22 d: 6 Servings \ \ 2 c Whole beans, chopped \ 2 tb Minced fresh celery \ -- drained \ 1 ts Vanilla extract \ 1 c Nonfat additional \ 2 c Peanut butter \ 4 Eggs \ 3/4 c Chopped celery \ 4 c Milk \ 1/3 c Unsweetened cocoa \ 2 lb Boneless chicken \ -pepper; seeded \ 2 tb Sour cream or flour \ 1/4 ts Dried parsley \ 1/2 ts Baking soda \ 20:46:23 <\oren\> I type qwertyuiop, go to the u, and type backspace 20:46:35 `recipe 20:46:36 h \ baking sheet; add the beef plain,stock and a \ day little and pour off top. Spoon fat container. Place a little toasted \ of the mixture in the peanut butter until the flours is not be ablewhosed \ in the oil. Pour onto a bowl. Cut each piece into the oven. \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: GREEN B 20:46:37 <\oren\> I get qwertyuuio 20:46:53 .18 20:46:55 oops 20:47:02 `learn RoboRosewater is generating random Magic: the Gathering cards, see https://mobile.twitter.com/roborosewater 20:47:04 Learned 'roborosewater': RoboRosewater is generating random Magic: the Gathering cards, see https://mobile.twitter.com/roborosewater 20:47:56 <\oren\> which would imply it's copying it the other way 20:48:16 hehe, http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/creativity/custom-card-creation/612057-generating-magic-cards-using-deep-recurrent-neural shows a card that has the chaos symbol used in a morph cost, as in Morph {B}{chaos}{G/W} 20:50:06 hmm 20:50:13 that text says it's not a chaos symbol, 20:50:18 but a hybrid {B/B} symbol 20:50:43 that makes much more sene 20:51:13 <\oren\> Ok, yeah, I called it the worng way around 20:51:46 Hmm, could there be a card that cares specifically about spells or permanents with a hybrid mana symbol in their mana cost? 20:51:50 Or would that be an un-card? 20:52:30 I think there could be such card, but no {B/B} 20:53:05 zzo38: yeah, because there's no black-black guild 20:53:20 "then put the *rest* of target creature card [...]" 20:53:57 int-e: oh, that's like "then exile the pieces." on blacker lotus 20:54:16 where did it learn that phrase? (also, "target creature card" should be rare...) 20:55:43 int-e: it's not rare, lots of green or black card recyclers spells and black reanimators say "target creature card" in your graveyard 20:55:53 like Recover 20:55:54 ah. 20:56:46 `fetch http://www.yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/All%20Sets-2016-04-08.zip 20:56:51 2016-05-08 19:56:47 URL:http://www.yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/All%20Sets-2016-04-08.zip [708667/708667] -> "All Sets-2016-04-08.zip" [1] 20:56:52 `mkdir share/mtg 20:56:53 No output. 20:57:04 what about the last part... "Put a $n/$m $type token into play. Then put it into your graveyard." 20:57:07 `mv -vi "All Sets-2016-04-08.zip" share/mtg/ 20:57:08 mv: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 20:57:26 int-e: "last part" of what? I don't know the context 20:57:29 what 20:57:33 i made something diffrent: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Circuitrite 20:57:35 ``` mv -vi "All Sets-2016-04-08.zip" share/mtg/ 20:57:37 ​`All Sets-2016-04-08.zip' -> `share/mtg/All Sets-2016-04-08.zip' 20:57:45 b_jonas: your link, I'm still looking at that "reminder text" 20:57:59 int-e: ah 20:58:13 ``` cd share/mtg && 7z x All\ Sets-2016-04-08.zip 20:58:14 bash: 7z: command not found 20:58:16 wtf 20:58:21 ``` cd share/mtg && unzip All\ Sets-2016-04-08.zip 20:58:22 bash: unzip: command not found 20:58:24 why no 7z? 20:58:30 no unzip either? 20:58:31 damn 20:58:42 um 20:58:47 ``` cd share/mtg && gunzip All\ Sets-2016-04-08.zip 20:58:49 gzip: All Sets-2016-04-08.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored 20:58:56 ``` cd share/mtg && zcat All\ Sets-2016-04-08.zip 20:58:57 ​"Ach! Hans, Run!" \ 2RRGG \ Enchantment \ At the beginning of your upkeep, you may say "Ach! Hans, run! It's the . . ." and name a creature card. If you do, search your library for the named card, put it into play, then shuffle your library. That creature has haste. Remove it from the game at end of turn. \ UNH-R \ \ A Display of My Dark Power 20:59:07 ``` cd share/mtg && zcat All\ Sets-2016-04-08.zip > allsets.txt 20:59:14 No output. 20:59:18 ``` cd share/mtg && zcat All\ Sets-2016-04-08.zip > allsets-2016-04-08.txt 20:59:30 No output. 20:59:36 I mean, that could be fun in decks with lots of triggered abilities, but is there anything like it out of the box (without relying on state-based effects ("all elfs get -1/-1") or triggers that kill (Aether Flash))) 20:59:39 ``` cd share/mtg && rm -v allsets.txt && ln -s allsets-2016-04-08.txt allsets.txt 20:59:41 removed `allsets.txt' 21:00:51 Hmm, perhaps something that puts a 0/0 token into play by default and needs to be boosted... 21:02:58 int-e: I don't think so, except maybe in un. There are I think things that put a token into play then remove or destrpy it later. 21:07:39 ``` perl -00ne '/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print' "Mighty Leap" 21:07:42 Can't open Mighty Leap: No such file or directory. 21:07:48 ``` perl -00ne '/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print' /hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt "Mighty Leap" 21:07:52 Can't open Mighty Leap: No such file or directory at -e line 1, <> chunk 16212. \ Mighty Leap \ 1W \ Instant \ Target creature gets +2/+2 and gains flying until end of turn. \ M11-C, M12-C, MM2-C, ORI-C, OGW-C, DDF-C, DDG-C, DDO-C 21:07:57 huh? 21:08:01 ``` perl -00 -ne '/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print' /hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt "Mighty Leap" 21:08:02 Can't open Mighty Leap: No such file or directory at -e line 1, <> chunk 16212. \ Mighty Leap \ 1W \ Instant \ Target creature gets +2/+2 and gains flying until end of turn. \ M11-C, M12-C, MM2-C, ORI-C, OGW-C, DDF-C, DDG-C, DDO-C 21:08:13 ``` perl -00 -ne '/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print' /hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt -- "Mighty Leap" 21:08:14 Can't open --: No such file or directory at -e line 1, <> chunk 16212. \ Can't open Mighty Leap: No such file or directory at -e line 1, <> chunk 16212. 21:08:54 ``` perl -e 'open$I,"<","/hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die;$/=""; while(<$I>){/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print}' "Mighty Leap" 21:08:56 Mighty Leap \ 1W \ Instant \ Target creature gets +2/+2 and gains flying until end of turn. \ M11-C, M12-C, MM2-C, ORI-C, OGW-C, DDF-C, DDG-C, DDO-C 21:08:58 better 21:09:11 "3: until end of turn, $THIS becomes a Plant Wall creature that's attacking you." ... having attacking creatures outside of the combat phase could be fun. 21:10:20 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\n'exec perl -e '\''open$I,"<","/hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die;$/=""; while(<$I>){/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print}'\'' "$1"' > bin/card-by-name && chmod a+x bin/card-by-name 21:10:30 No output. 21:10:31 `card-by-name Mighty Leap 21:10:33 ​/hackenv/bin/card-by-name: 2: /hackenv/bin/card-by-name: Syntax error: ")" unexpected 21:10:36 <\oren\> WHY IS -1 > 3!!!?!?@?@! 21:10:38 "destroy target creature until end of turn" 21:11:04 `cat bin/card-by-name 21:11:05 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e \open$I,"<","/hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die;$/=""; while(<$I>){/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print}' "$1" 21:11:15 oh 21:11:26 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\n''exec perl -e '\''open$I,"<","/hackenv/share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die;$/=""; while(<$I>){/\A(?i)\Q$ARGV[0]/ and print}'\'' "$1"' > bin/card-by-name && chmod a+x bin/card-by-name 21:11:29 No output. 21:11:39 `card-by-name Mighty Leap 21:11:41 Mighty Leap \ 1W \ Instant \ Target creature gets +2/+2 and gains flying until end of turn. \ M11-C, M12-C, MM2-C, ORI-C, OGW-C, DDF-C, DDG-C, DDO-C 21:11:52 `card-by-name Gigantiform 21:11:53 Gigantiform \ 3GG \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Kicker {4} \ Enchant creature \ Enchanted creature has base power and toughness 8/8 and has trample. \ When Gigantiform enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, you may search your library for a card named Gigantiform, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. \ ZEN-R 21:11:57 `card-by-name Gigadrowse 21:11:58 Gigadrowse \ U \ Instant \ Replicate {U} (When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.) \ Tap target permanent. \ GPT-C 21:12:02 `card-by-name Mighty Form 21:12:05 No output. 21:12:18 `card-by-name Dizzy Spell 21:12:19 Dizzy Spell \ U \ Instant \ Target creature gets -3/-0 until end of turn. \ Transmute {1}{U}{U} ({1}{U}{U}, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same converted mana cost as this card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library. Transmute only as a sorcery.) \ RAV-C 21:12:25 `card-by-name Trial 21:12:26 Trial \ WU \ Instant \ Return all creatures blocking or blocked by target creature to their owner's hand. \ [This is half of the split card Trial // Error.] \ DIS-U \ \ Trial // Error \ WU // UB \ Instant // Instant \ Return all creatures blocking or blocked by target creature to their owner's hand. // Counter target multicolored spell. \ DIS-U 21:13:35 `card-by-name aetherform 21:13:37 No output. 21:13:48 `card-by-name aethersnipe 21:13:49 AEthersnipe \ 5U \ Creature -- Elemental \ 4/4 \ When AEthersnipe enters the battlefield, return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. \ Evoke {1}{U}{U} (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.) \ LRW-C, CMD-C, MMA-C, MM2-C, DD2-C 21:13:59 ok, the basics work 21:14:10 we can add more complicated search stuff later 21:15:23 and finally "tap target creature or player" 21:16:02 (tapped players can't attack) 21:16:03 int-e: where's that from? 21:16:11 b_jonas: the twitter account 21:16:28 "Righthaste" -- is that a real word? 21:16:50 https://twitter.com/RoboRosewater 21:16:50 ``` egrep -i righthaste share/mtg/allcards.txt 21:16:52 egrep: share/mtg/allcards.txt: No such file or directory 21:17:02 ``` egrep -i righthaste share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:17:03 No output. 21:17:11 ah 21:17:31 it has "Until end of turn." which reminds me to that triggered abilty zzo38 wrote 21:18:10 on Tiny Shard 21:18:21 "At the beginning of the first cleanup step each turn, if ~ is untapped." 21:18:55 "Tromple,Mointainspalk" what 21:20:19 int-e: yeah, "becomes a Plant Wall creature that's attacking you." is triply funny 21:20:55 because it becomes a creature that's attacking, because it's attacking until end of turn, and because it's a wall that's attacking 21:20:57 `run egrep -i "that's attacking you" share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:20:58 Domain -- Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays {X} for each creature he or she controls that's attacking you, where X is the number of basic land types among lands you control. \ Nonblack creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays {2} for each creature he or she controls that's attacking you. \ Creatures can't attack 21:23:08 ``` egrep -i "right[a-z]" share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:23:11 Brightflame \ Radiance -- Brightflame deals X damage to target creature and each other creature that shares a color with it. You gain life equal to the damage dealt this way. \ Brighthearth Banneret \ Brightstone Ritual \ Frightcrawler \ Threshold -- As long as seven or more cards are in your graveyard, Frightcrawler gets +2/+2 and can't block. \ F 21:23:15 oh right, rightousness 21:23:20 ``` egrep -i "\ Rally the Righteous \ Righteous Aura \ Righteous Authority \ Righteous Avengers \ Righteous Blow \ Righteous Blow deals 2 damage to target attacking or blocking creature. \ Righteous Cause \ Righteous Charge \ Righteous Confluence \ Righteous Fury \ Righteous Indignation \ Righteous War \ Righteousness \ Shield of the Righteous \ Surge of Righteous 21:23:29 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:23:37 ``` pgrep -i "\bright(?!ous)[a-z]" share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:23:37 pgrep: invalid option -- 'i' \ \ Usage: \ pgrep [options] \ \ Options: \ -c, --count count of matching processes \ -d, --delimeter specify output delimeter \ -l, --list-name list PID and process name \ -v, --inverse negates the matching \ -f, --full use full process name 21:23:45 ``` grep -Pi "\bright(?!ous)[a-z]" share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:23:48 Rally the Righteous \ Righteous Aura \ Righteous Authority \ Righteous Avengers \ Righteous Blow \ Righteous Blow deals 2 damage to target attacking or blocking creature. \ Righteous Cause \ Righteous Charge \ Righteous Confluence \ Righteous Fury \ Righteous Indignation \ Righteous War \ Righteousness \ Shield of the Righteous \ Surge of Righteous 21:23:56 [wiki] [[Circuitrite]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46985&oldid=46984 * Moon * (-11) 21:24:05 ``` grep -Pi "\bright(?!eous)[a-z]" share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:24:07 No output. 21:24:14 where did it get "righthaste"? 21:24:31 `run egrep -i righth share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:24:33 Brighthearth Banneret \ Rings of Brighthearth 21:24:56 Maybe the same place it got "Bdast Hand". 21:25:08 tswett: isn't that at least a card name? 21:25:25 as opposed to what looks like an ability word 21:26:00 Pretty sure that's in an ability. 21:26:14 from the twitter, there's a card named Omberceptic Thrull. you'd think a card with that name would have the subtype Thrull. you'd be wrong. 21:26:50 And don't forget All Werewolf. 21:27:17 tswett: what's All Werewolf? 21:27:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:27:39 -!- boily has joined. 21:27:42 `run egrep -i thast share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:27:44 No output. 21:28:03 maybe it knows that it can combine two proper words into one 21:28:45 int-e: there's... I think three words ending in haste: haste, turbo-haste from un, and some kind of haste in FUT 21:29:01 That the end of a word can be followed immediately by the beginning of another word, instead of a space. 21:29:13 turbohast is actually "Super haste" 21:29:34 ``` grep -Pi "[a-z]haste" share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:29:35 No output. 21:29:40 what 21:29:47 `run grep 'Super haste' share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:29:48 Super haste (This may attack the turn before you play it. (You may put this card into play from your hand, tapped and attacking, during your declare attackers step. If you do, you lose the game at the end of your next turn unless you pay this card's mana cost during that turn.)) 21:29:48 what's that one in FUT called then? 21:29:59 tswett: Super Haste is on Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug 21:30:06 an un-card 21:30:06 Reminder text with reminder text. I like it. 21:30:24 tswett: you do? there's another instance on the nameless card 21:30:25 I think 21:30:35 yes there is 21:30:40 `run grep '))' share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:30:41 Super haste (This may attack the turn before you play it. (You may put this card into play from your hand, tapped and attacking, during your declare attackers step. If you do, you lose the game at the end of your next turn unless you pay this card's mana cost during that turn.)) 21:30:55 tswett: ).)_ 21:30:57 um 21:30:58 ).) 21:31:04 `run grep ').)' share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:31:04 No output. 21:31:14 ).) looks kind of like a weird emoticon. 21:31:25 oh 21:31:31 ().)) 21:31:35 right, I know why it's not in the allsets.txt 21:31:39 *im watching8 21:31:44 see http://magiccards.info/uh/en/23.html for a solution 21:31:48 s/a/the/ 21:32:12 Moon__: some sort of barrel? 21:32:24 int-e whatya mean? 21:32:30 Moon__: your ascii-art 21:32:54 ah no, the FUT one doesn't have abilityhaste 21:32:55 ).) looks kind of like a weird emoticon. 21:32:58 it has plain old haste 21:33:04 `card-by-name Bonded F 21:33:07 Bonded Fetch \ 2U \ Creature -- Homunculus \ 0/2 \ Defender, haste \ {T}: Draw a card, then discard a card. \ FUT-U 21:33:12 so i put it in a head 21:33:26 `card-by-name Cloudw 21:33:27 No output. 21:33:47 `card-by-name Cloud of 21:33:48 Cloud of Faeries \ 1U \ Creature -- Faerie \ 1/1 \ Flying \ When Cloud of Faeries enters the battlefield, untap up to two lands. \ Cycling {2} ({2}, Discard this card: Draw a card.) \ UL-C, VMA-U 21:34:04 “Counter target spell with five toughness 2 or greater.” in http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/creativity/custom-card-creation/612057-generating-magic-cards-using-deep-recurrent-neural 21:34:08 hehe 21:34:38 Gardenpath Counterspell. 21:35:15 note that these are early cards, before the network was trained enough 21:35:27 `card-by-name Horror 21:35:27 Horror of Horrors \ 3BB \ Enchantment \ Sacrifice a Swamp: Regenerate target black creature. (The next time that creature would be destroyed this turn, it isn't. Instead tap it, remove all damage from it, and remove it from combat.) \ LE-U, 9ED-U \ \ Horror of the Dim \ 4B \ Creature -- Horror \ 3/4 \ {U}: Horror of the Dim gains hexproof until en 21:36:30 hehe 21:36:36 the twitter has a card named "Wall a" 21:36:41 that's like that animated film 21:36:44 "Wall-E" 21:37:50 twitter: “Whenever an opponent loses 1 life, target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.” that one is an interesting restriction 21:39:13 Brighteous. 21:40:06 fungot: Go and learn a style for a MtG card, will you? 21:40:07 fizzie: i could be 21:41:06 * boily cheers the fungot 21:41:06 boily: maybe it is to generate the list structure itself ( not the java, that is 21:41:16 “Ovyread Legation / 2G / Instant / Players can't exile its controller's control. If you do, shuffle your library.” 21:41:20 ^style mtg 21:41:20 Not found. 21:41:25 ^style recipe 21:41:25 Not found. 21:41:27 fungot: do not generate java hth 21:41:27 boily: er this is openbsd, you know 21:41:28 ^style cookbook 21:41:28 Not found. 21:41:37 ^style card 21:41:37 Not found. 21:41:39 ^style magic 21:41:39 Not found. 21:41:43 fungot: you run on a bsd? 21:41:43 ^style gatherer 21:41:43 boily: you're essentially breaking hygiene by comparing literally. inside of " ", at fnord 21:41:43 Not found. 21:41:58 is that scheme style? 21:42:11 b_jonas: my mind, it hurts. 21:42:13 ^style irc 21:42:13 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 21:42:31 The freenode/#scheme part has made big contributions. 21:42:32 ah 21:42:34 I see 21:42:41 * Moon__ pokes boily for aliveness 21:42:42 that explains it 21:43:05 I'm not sure how things orient chronologically, I may have run fungot on an OpenBSD. 21:43:05 fizzie: you mean like the 0. is exact, z seems to be in 21:43:15 ^style 21:43:15 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 21:43:22 ^style nethack 21:43:23 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 21:43:25 i had to 21:43:45 "Glast Vonger / UU / 2/2 Creature - Shapeshifter / {T}: Destroy target creature with lifelink until end of turn.” -- I think that ability actually makes sense by the current rules 21:43:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 21:43:49 The nethack style isn't a terribly good one. fungot, say something clever. 21:43:49 fizzie: twoflower, guide: " now it is as white as a benign deity. he is endowed with not-inconsiderable sexual prowess which he bore, he readies his weapon could provide? i will set my face, so perfectly constructed that no one is quite unequivocal: _vampire_ " a wizard!" 21:43:49 nice card 21:44:12 ^style c64 21:44:12 Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) 21:44:16 seriously, that's a quite nice card 21:44:25 fungot, say something clever. 21:44:25 among the best generated ones 21:44:25 Moon__: pointer to the outside world. they are organized into 4 registers: none note: ror instruction is available for programming commodore computers is to take advantage of the commodore 64. although there is no statement in basic creates a random number generator for games, programming tips, " if it had been transmitted or printed out) no interrupts can be restarted by using a fn call, or voices, a 21:44:46 does zzo's file have any effect that destroys a permanent until end of turn? 21:44:50 That one tends to stop very suddenly, thanks to inadequate preprocessing. 21:45:12 fizzie: doesn't it just run out of irc line space? 21:45:31 ^style alice 21:45:31 Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) 21:45:42 Tardas Mersioner has some funny reminder text 21:45:42 ^style irc 21:45:42 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 21:45:49 fungot, say something clever. 21:45:49 Moon__: but seriously, coke has quite little coffein if compared with coffee... 21:45:55 fungot, say something clever. 21:45:55 Moon__: oh dear. 21:46:00 fungot, say something clever. 21:46:00 Moon__: you're sitting on a wooden chair in a cafe of a library, there's little point, unless you already know where to put 21:46:05 and it says “Bestroy target creature.” 21:46:05 fungot, say something clever. 21:46:09 hmm continuous destruction. "I'll kill you, and this time you'll stay dead, is that understood?" 21:46:12 Bestroy! 21:46:16 haha, Bestroy 21:46:16 fungot, say something clever. 21:46:23 >.< 21:46:38 "there's little point" 21:47:01 b_jonas: It might have done that right now, but (IIRC) it *also* does it randomly with that style, because I didn't unbreak lines to form paragraphs. 21:47:08 `? it 21:47:09 It little profits that an idle king, / By this still hearth, among these barren crags, / Match'd with an aged wife, I mete and dole / Unequal laws unto a savage race, / That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me. / I cannot rest from travel: I will drink / Life to the lees; all times I have enjoy'd / Greatly, have suffer'd greatly, both with 21:47:11 int-e: ^ 21:47:32 there's little point in an idle king 21:48:02 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:48:04 There is the card +2/+2 and flying until end of turn, but I made up the card that damages a creature and then that creature is flying until end of turn. 21:48:47 does it also get some more damage when it crashes to the ground? 21:48:47 zzo38: oh, is that some sort of goblin grenade, or a giant that likes to play football with smaller creatures? 21:49:02 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:49:16 No it is a instant and it does not cause more damage once it stopped flying 21:49:36 `run egrep -i plummet share/mtg/allsets.txt 21:49:37 Plummet 21:49:41 Moon__: Mhelloon__. fungot. 21:49:41 boily: aha. is there anyway that could be called fnord, which guarantees practically infinite energy for free 21:49:50 * boily calls Moon__ "fnord" 21:50:15 hmm, destroy... a bit more than I was looking for, but fair enough 21:50:22 The card I made is: Ground Shock {R} Instant ;; ~ deals 3 damage to target creature without flying. That creature gets +1/+1 and gains flying until end of turn. 21:50:49 Most neural networks use numbers to pass around data... 21:50:55 But could someone do something similar with strings? 21:51:49 damn. I guess a 0/3 creature (no bonuses, no previous damage) will survive... 21:52:09 ...but I'm not sure! 21:52:28 It will survive, but will be dead with one more point of damage 21:52:47 sure. 21:54:02 But I would have had to read rules to figure out whether that all happens at once or whether a state check could see the 3 damage without seeing the +1/+1. 21:55:17 It can't; state based actions only occur when a player is about to receive priority. 21:56:54 g'nite 21:57:20 `wisdom 21:57:22 for the night 21:57:26 ​🐐//🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) 21:58:36 b_jonne nasuit! 21:58:36 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:00:05 What is the limit for the directory stack in bash? 22:00:47 The "shegoc" gopher client that I wrote uses four entries in the directory stack for each entry of the history to be able to go back. 22:01:17 `unicode 🗿♨💮 22:01:29 U+1F5FF MOYAI \ UTF-8: f0 9f 97 bf UTF-16BE: d83dddff Decimal: 🗿 \ 🗿 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+2668 HOT SPRINGS \ UTF-8: e2 99 a8 UTF-16BE: 2668 Decimal: ♨ \ ♨ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F4AE WHITE FLOWER \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 ae UTF-16BE: d83ddcae 22:04:06 @wn shegoc 22:04:08 No match for "shegoc". 22:04:13 `? shegoc 22:04:17 shegoc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:04:37 `? moyai 22:04:38 moyai? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:07:20 -!- Akaibu has joined. 22:07:26 The program called "shegoc" is a gopher client that I wrote in shell scripts, so you can write about that if you want to. 22:07:54 SHEll GOpher Chicken. 22:08:27 boily, what is with you and Chicken (esolang) 22:08:41 It stands for "Client" not "Chicken" but otherwise it is OK 22:14:10 Moon__: nothing about the chicken esolang. all about chicken. 22:14:17 `? things boily like 22:14:18 things boily like? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:14:21 ... 22:14:27 `ls wisdom/thing* 22:14:28 ls: cannot access wisdom/thing*: No such file or directory 22:14:47 `ls wisdom/stuff* 22:14:49 ls: cannot access wisdom/stuff*: No such file or directory 22:14:59 `` ls wisdom/{thing,stuff}* 22:15:00 ls: cannot access wisdom/stuff*: No such file or directory \ wisdom/things boily likes 22:15:08 `? things boily like 22:15:09 things boily like? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:15:12 `? things boily likes 22:15:14 Fire is good. I like fire. Also chicken. And phở. Moreover, cubes. 22:16:03 I should add support for other item types too, such as downloading, and configure what program to use for pictures and telnet and so on. 22:26:40 -!- boily has quit (Quit: GEARED CHICKEN). 22:28:56 Moon__: Hellmoon__ 22:53:41 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:56:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:04:14 -!- Shubshub has joined. 23:10:33 -!- jaboja has joined. 23:17:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:17:26 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:30:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:34:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:48:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:49:17 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:50:41 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 23:59:29 ded chat 23:59:39 and potential new person 23:59:41 `hfs 23:59:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hfs: not found 2016-05-09: 00:06:28 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:08:35 `cat bin/lastwisdoms 00:08:37 find .hg/store/data/wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 /bin/ls -t | perl -pe 'use POSIX;chop;$d=strftime("%F",localtime((stat($_))[9]));s=^.hg/store/data/wisdom/(.*).i$=\1 // =;s=^=/$d/ = if$d ne$p;$p=$d;s=_(.)=uc($1)=eg;s=~([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])=chr hex$1=eg' 00:09:04 `cat bin/culprits 00:09:06 hg log --removed -- "$1" | grep summary: | sed "s/ +/ /g" | sed "s/^ //" | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}'| sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs 00:09:06 hellowpplayer1 00:09:14 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:09:41 * Moon__ noms oerjan 00:09:55 @tell boily your `lastwisdoms pings tdnh 00:09:55 Consider it noted. 00:11:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 00:11:25 `culprits bin/lastwisdoms 00:11:26 @tell boily also: we see hanging out here on mothers day 00:11:26 Consider it noted. 00:11:37 int-e b_jonas b_jonas 00:11:57 @tell boily oops, sorry, misidentified culprit 00:11:57 Consider it noted. 00:12:11 @tell b_jonas your `lastwisdoms pings tdnh 00:12:11 Consider it noted. 00:12:28 `lastwisdoms 00:12:33 ​/2016-05-08/ roborosewater // cookbook // recipe // hydrogen // wisdom.pdf // wisdoms.pdf // gene ray // professor gene ray // english channel // oerjan // #esoteric // hfs // /2016-05-07/ amnesium // wisest human // adventure // timecube // time cube // tas // /2016-05-06/ huh // ta // acab // brainfuck // hms pinafore // wisdoom // tanebventio 00:12:37 let's check if anyone actually fixed it 00:13:13 nope 00:14:25 @tell b_jonas also, i said i was retired. 00:14:26 Consider it noted. 00:14:43 just edit a bunch of wisdoms until your wisdom file gets bumped off 00:18:09 @tell b_jonas also you have misunderstood the problem, so `lastwisdoms doesn't actually solve anything. it is in fact _essential_ to have all the information in the logs both about what the file was changed to and whether it already existed. 00:18:09 Consider it noted. 00:19:51 @tell b_jonas because the whole point is to be able to guess with no false negatives whether a wisdom edit has messed up anything. and honestly a mass summary will just leave it in the same position as the repository browser - where i look through it only rarely, and more and more reluctantly. (did i mention i've retired?) 00:19:51 Consider it noted. 00:23:35 hm the antiping method used in culprits won't work for tanebventions. 00:24:56 the problem being that wisdom names can in principle contain nicks as substrings anywhere. 00:25:20 `cat bin/noping 00:25:22 print_args_or_input "$@" | sed 's/\(..\)/\1​/g' 00:25:53 that one, though, will shorten the output by a lot. 00:27:36 hm 00:28:21 @tell boily btw since `lastwisdom was actually useless for its intended purpose, you might be the most likely user. but please only in private (see above). 00:28:21 Consider it noted. 00:30:16 Moon__: That is cannibalism, and is in fact frowned upon in most societies. 00:31:10 oerjan: did you mean to tell boily, or b_jonas? 00:31:42 ybden: the first to boily was a misdirection, the last one wasn't. 00:31:48 ah 00:34:04 oerjan: it's hard to weigh pings and cut&past-ability. 00:34:35 s/and/against/ 00:34:54 int-e: true. i wondered if just appending | paste to the whole thing would be best. 00:35:01 <\oren\> `? ta 00:35:04 ta? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:35:13 tromp: yay, Isabelle believes that my function (laver1) terminates. 00:35:58 <\oren\> int-e: and did it? 00:36:50 * oerjan has a hunch it's a bit early to tell. as in unfathomable universe-lifetimes early. 00:36:54 \oren\: it worked in my tests, if that's what you're asking (Isabelle is an interactive proof assistant.) 00:37:17 int-e: wow you must have a fast computer 00:37:37 (or possibly a less evolved laver table) 00:38:32 oerjan: I just produced tables for concrete n (up to 4) 00:38:49 * oerjan notes after looking up that cannibalism quote that most of the google hits can't agree on the wording 00:39:03 int-e: not 32 then, i take. 00:40:09 oerjan: Not using that code. I have an improved version that works well up to n=16 or so. cf. https://github.com/tromp/AIT/blob/master/laver.hs 00:41:06 (n is the n in the set {1..2^n}... I've also done some remapping) 00:41:13 i just recall that it was mentioned in the thread to grow faster than some nested ackermanns 00:41:45 assuming it's one of those tables 00:42:01 there's one or too more indirections before we get to "it". 00:42:11 ok 00:42:13 two. 00:42:40 In fact I'm just shelving, so to speak. 00:43:57 tromp: in fact I realized that the proof of a |> b > a if a < mx needs to be interleaved with the termination proof. Such fun! 00:46:03 `addquote Morning G'daneb invent anything good overnight? I don't know yet, I haven't read the logs 00:46:07 1280) Morning G'daneb invent anything good overnight? I don't know yet, I haven't read the logs 00:46:10 oerjan: note also that I don't know why I actually obtain a shelf that way... i.e. why self-distributivity holds. 00:47:26 OKAY (i know nothing) 00:48:11 -!- centrinia has joined. 00:50:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:51:59 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Zzz). 00:54:13 01:21:44 Anyone made anything cool with Gopher yet? :P 00:54:13 01:23:22 zzo38 has been posting a lot of Gopher programs. 00:54:26 everything went better than i expected. 00:54:26 ? 00:54:43 Shubshub: did someone explain it 00:54:48 Explain what 00:55:03 Shubshub: Gopher already has a different meaning, which zzo38 is into. 00:55:12 k 00:55:20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_%28protocol%29 00:55:31 Okay 00:56:32 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:57:48 Used to contain the utterance "An unknown source on IRC has verified that everyone knows or reasonably should know about this film. Anyone claiming not to be aware of it, is feigning ignorance." 00:57:54 good old times 00:59:49 `? Phantom_Hoover 01:00:05 Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. 01:00:20 sounds about right 01:06:28 @tell b_jonas "I can't win." sounds like a pretty good summary hth 01:06:28 Consider it noted. 01:23:58 hm int-e's `lastwisdoms format is too clever 01:24:42 * int-e thought about it. // is impossible to fake, and a leading / as well. <-- I AGREE 01:31:33 `? wisdoms.pdf 01:31:37 wisdoms.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 01:31:43 `? wisdom.pdf 01:31:45 wisdom.pdf Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 01:31:58 ... 01:32:29 `` rm wisdoms.pdf; sed -i 's/[^ ]* //' wisdom.pdf 01:32:33 rm: cannot remove `wisdoms.pdf': No such file or directory 01:32:44 `` rm wisdom/wisdoms.pdf; sed -i 's/[^ ]* //' wisdom/wisdom.pdf 01:32:48 No output. 01:32:53 `? wisdom.pdf 01:32:54 Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf 01:33:57 @tell b_jonas in fact looking at your most recent wisdoms?.pdf edits, i'll say seeing the exact resulting content is the _most_ important issue :P 01:33:57 Consider it noted. 01:38:12 int-e: hmm, if we install a second mercurial in user-space, will it be able to read this repo? <-- O_O 01:44:52 @tell \oren\ <\oren\> the UN should pass a resolution against middle-endian dates <-- nah, then the republicans would force through a law insisting on them hth 01:44:52 Consider it noted. 01:50:41 the awesome part is that experimental physicists say “core of Jupiter, eh? that sounds easy enough, let's build machines to replicate it.” <-- hm now i'm wondering what's the highest pressure scientists can sustain on a significant volume (say, at least visible to the naked eye) 01:51:33 -!- Moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:53:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:58:37 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell but that's very small 02:10:44 `ping 02:10:47 pong 02:11:00 `frink 25 GPa -> atmospheres 02:11:31 *sigh* 02:11:45 No output. 02:11:49 `frink 25 GPa -> atmospheres 02:12:24 No output. 02:12:27 ;_; 02:12:48 `echo hm; frink 25 GPa -> atmospheres 02:12:49 hm; frink 25 GPa -> atmospheres 02:12:52 `` echo hm; frink 25 GPa -> atmospheres 02:13:58 hm 02:14:08 tsk 02:14:22 `file bin/frink 02:14:23 bin/frink: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable 02:14:28 `cat bin/frink 02:14:29 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec /hackenv/lib/frink -e "$@" 02:14:41 `file lib/frink 02:14:43 lib/frink: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, BuildID[sha1]=0x3d3ad786ec6233455da8a3371b38b238b692f3e1, not stripped 02:15:03 `` lib/frink -e "25 GPa -> atmospheres" 02:15:34 1000000000/4053 (approx. 246730.8166790032) 02:15:40 huh 02:16:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:17:37 `uptime 02:17:38 ​ 01:17:34 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 02:17:45 bah 02:18:14 stupid sandboxing 02:20:57 -!- Akaibu has joined. 02:27:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:29:15 -!- acertain has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:40:19 -!- variable has joined. 02:46:12 -!- acertain has joined. 02:48:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:48:18 -!- Moon__ has joined. 03:53:19 -!- Moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:07:16 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:11:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:14:20 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:17:56 Mathematical Typewriter... 04:17:58 Mmm... 04:18:07 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:20:25 Now my JavaScript implementation of Internet Quiz Engine is support ANSI colours 04:28:53 @tell b_jonas [...] "what a good idea! I'll store the pan in the cupboard pre-greased too." <-- i distinctly vaguely recall that someone in my family actually does that. 04:28:54 Consider it noted. 04:29:34 Do you have some ideas about how I could implement text entry questions in Internet Quiz Engine (in a way that is suitable to fit with everything else)? 04:30:50 Or any other feature suggestions you might have? 04:32:35 hppavilion[1]: now i'm reminded of the replaceable typewriter heads that were on a shelf in the math institute back in my time, with all kinds of symbols on them. (long since out of use, i think.) 04:33:01 It already has many advanced features not found in other programs. 04:33:01 *long ago 04:33:13 oerjan: Could they do square roots and derivatives? 04:33:24 hppavilion[1]: probably. 04:33:48 oerjan: THAT WILL DO 04:34:31 mind you, i think you were supposed to change between them according to which symbols you needed. 04:37:36 possibly this was it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter 04:43:20 it had some flaws "Though done to protect the print mechanism from damage,[27] an unexpected keyboard lock activation could cause minor injury to a typist with a heavy touch." 04:56:20 oerjan: My favorite is the Selectric 251 04:57:13 ok? 04:58:45 * hppavilion[1] waits patiently for oerjan to understand the reference, even if e has to google it 05:01:09 i'm getting there 05:02:20 Is that the Selectric that communicates with the other universe 05:02:25 The gopher menu for Internet Quiz Engine now includes the source-codes also. 05:02:53 notfowl: How would it communicate with other universe? 05:03:12 I think they don't make Selectric typewriter anymore but they should I think it was the best kind isn't it? 05:03:46 Whatever you type on it appears in another universe and they can type to you on the other side 05:04:28 As for how it does this? Some real dark satanic science 05:06:18 quantum entanglement, says the wiki. which is about the same thing hth 05:08:17 I don't think quantum entanglement can do that. Actually I think I read they tried to do that and failed, and ended up inventing quantum information theory instead, so it is kind of accident 05:08:30 (But maybe I misremembered what I had read.) 05:10:13 I still think Selectric is probably a good typewriter despite that though. 05:10:47 They're valuable 05:12:01 If IBM won't make it then some other company should do so, and also add a serial port to add the possibility for send/receive by computer in addition to the possibility of use like normal typewriters. 05:13:22 I think some later Selectric models had exactly that feature. 05:14:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:14:30 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:20:21 But was it ASCII or EBCDIC? The ASCII one should be made up. 05:22:24 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:23:27 Probably EBCDIC knowing IBM. 05:24:40 Yes, and that is why they need to make the new one with ASCII. If some company would make new typewriter like Selectric and also can connect to computer in addition to standalone use then it can good to use. 05:25:56 (But you may use a typeface that some characters are not quite ASCII, anyways) 05:26:05 (Depends which one you load into the typewriter) 05:48:11 -!- variable has changed nick to constant. 06:05:32 <\oren\> AAARGH this is the nth anime i've seen that begins with "guy is forced to join a club, meets crazy girl..." 06:05:54 Or, "Haruhi was popular let's do that"? 06:06:49 <\oren\> these people need to be more creative in their plot openings. the actual plots themselves are more different 06:09:58 What kind of plot opening will be the better one? 06:15:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:16:31 <\oren\> how about the boy joins a club out of genuine interest, and then an annoying girl joins afterward? 06:16:47 \oren\: didn't you notice that anime plots are *always* generalized? it is a business that is highly refined and regularized. 06:18:15 <\oren\> i mean there are lots of ways an "ordinary boy" and an "annoying girl" could meet 06:18:57 <\oren\> lifthrasiir: it certainly seems they stick to formula a lot 06:19:31 well, if a particular plot works well, and the audience just likes it so much that duplicates are also highly successful in general, then it gaves to a new business obviously 06:19:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:19:35 it gives* 06:21:21 modern day otaku anime business is based on the nighttime airing (not really free, but almost free) and the prohibitively expensive pricing of DVD/Blu-Ray boxes 06:22:15 this, combined with low wage standard for animators, makes a very strange market 06:23:07 it strangely looks like an art commissioned by nobles in the middle ages, only worse 06:33:56 -!- constant has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 06:44:28 -!- centrinia has joined. 06:45:24 I improved the Code Optimization on my Esolang Intepreter (On Discord atleast) 06:45:28 For Gopher 06:53:15 -!- Boris has joined. 07:16:43 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:21:04 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:56:40 -!- Boris has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:07:14 oerjan: re lastwisdoms pings => that's a feature. you get pinged to show someone has edited the wisdom about you. 08:07:45 >_> 08:08:14 that would make more sense if it only showed new ones 08:09:59 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:12:57 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 08:12:57 -!- nisstyre has joined. 08:13:18 <\oren\> `ping oren 08:13:55 pong 08:15:40 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:19:17 [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46986&oldid=46735 * 8.42.77.107 * (+2) /* Example program */ 08:20:10 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:28:36 can you find a task that's not solvable by a brainfuck program with less than 100 instructions? 08:30:17 -!- Shubshub has quit (Quit: Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak). 08:32:58 oerjan: hierjan 08:33:48 hichaf 08:33:56 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:34:22 so many pings 08:34:55 b_jonas: Wisdom mutations in the channel are useful for the same reason that HackEgo posts wiki edits in the channel. 08:35:56 izabera: determining whether a brainfuck algorithm with less than 100 instructions halts hth 08:36:22 hm wait 08:36:31 make that a bit more than 100. 08:36:53 100 + a constant hth 08:38:55 (ok, maybe times a constant too, i'm not quite sure.) 08:41:30 why does that need more than 100 instructions? 08:41:33 perhaps tetrated to a constant 08:42:01 izabera: because you can adapt the standard proof that the halting problem is unsolvable to all kinds of resource limits 08:42:26 shachaf: actually i think it's probably just +, i just haven't thought it through. 08:42:50 can you show an example of how such proof would work? 08:43:15 oerjan: adding a constant is an integral part of formulas like that hth 08:44:20 ok i got it 08:44:24 oh ok 08:58:22 [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46987&oldid=46986 * 8.42.77.107 * (-2) /* Example program */ 08:59:23 heh 09:06:48 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:07:11 -!- heroux has joined. 09:16:25 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:20:59 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:26:13 `recipe 09:26:39 hackego, you're very slow again 09:26:43 are pastry and expanpie with a layer of the squares, on the salads and lightly, and set \ over a slotted serving plate to cook. \ \ In a large saucepan, combine the vegetables and blend well. \ \ From: Fine, Help-jellini \ by Market Alaskarel Cookbook_ by Inrow \ MMCONV. \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ 09:26:45 `random-card 09:26:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: random-card: not found 09:32:24 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec perl -e\'''open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand($c)];'\'' "$1"' > bin/random-card && chmod -v a+x bin/random-card 09:32:28 `random-card 09:32:31 mode of `bin/random-card' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) 09:32:36 ​"Ach! Hans, Run!" \ 2RRGG \ Enchantment \ At the beginning of your upkeep, you may say "Ach! Hans, run! It's the . . ." and name a creature card. If you do, search your library for the named card, put it into play, then shuffle your library. That creature has haste. Remove it from the game at end of turn. \ UNH-R 09:32:41 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec perl -e\'''open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?i:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand($c)];'\'' "$1"' > bin/random-card && chmod -v a+x bin/random-card 09:32:55 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec perl -e\'''open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?i:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand(@c)];'\'' "$1"' > bin/random-card && chmod -v a+x bin/random-card 09:32:56 mode of `bin/random-card' retained as 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) 09:33:00 mode of `bin/random-card' retained as 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) 09:33:01 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec perl -e\'''open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?i:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand(@c)];'\'' "$1"' > bin/random-card && chmod -v a+x bin/random-card 09:33:02 mode of `bin/random-card' retained as 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) 09:33:05 `random-card 09:33:08 `random-card 09:33:15 Flame Jet \ 1R \ Sorcery \ Flame Jet deals 3 damage to target player. \ Cycling {2} ({2}, Discard this card: Draw a card.) \ UD-C 09:33:18 Scapeshift \ 2GG \ Sorcery \ Sacrifice any number of lands. Search your library for up to that many land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. \ MOR-R 09:33:19 `random-card protection 09:33:24 Tel-Jilad Fallen \ 2GG \ Creature -- Elf Warrior \ 3/1 \ Protection from artifacts \ Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.) \ SOM-C 09:33:35 `random-card copying 09:33:39 No output. 09:33:46 `random-card as a copy 09:33:48 Copy Enchantment \ 2U \ Enchantment \ You may have Copy Enchantment enter the battlefield as a copy of any enchantment on the battlefield. \ RAV-R 09:39:36 -!- ybden has joined. 09:41:25 ``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec perl -e\'''open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?mi:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand(@c)];'\'' "$1"' > bin/random-card && chmod -v a+x bin/random-card 09:41:28 mode of `bin/random-card' retained as 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) 09:41:52 `random-card ORI-C 09:41:54 Deep-Sea Terror \ 4UU \ Creature -- Serpent \ 6/6 \ Deep-Sea Terror can't attack unless there are seven or more cards in your graveyard. \ ORI-C 09:41:56 `random-card ORI-C 09:41:59 Smash to Smithereens \ 1R \ Instant \ Destroy target artifact. Smash to Smithereens deals 3 damage to that artifact's controller. \ SHM-C, MM2-C, ORI-C 09:42:52 `random-card /2} 09:42:53 No output. 09:42:55 `random-card /2\} 09:42:56 No output. 09:43:37 `card-by-name Mental Mi 09:43:41 Mental Misstep \ (u/p) \ Instant \ ({(u/p)} can be paid with either {U} or 2 life.) \ Counter target spell with converted mana cost 1. \ NPH-U 09:46:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 09:49:42 ah 09:49:48 `random-card /2\) 09:49:49 No output. 09:49:53 huh 09:49:58 `random-card /p\) 09:50:00 Gut Shot \ (r/p) \ Instant \ ({(r/p)} can be paid with either {R} or 2 life.) \ Gut Shot deals 1 damage to target creature or player. \ NPH-U, MM2-C 09:50:30 `card-by-name Reaper 09:50:32 Reaper King \ (2/w)(2/u)(2/b)(2/r)(2/g) \ Legendary Artifact Creature -- Scarecrow \ 6/6 \ ({(2/w)} can be paid with any two mana or with {W}. This card's converted mana cost is 10.) \ Other Scarecrow creatures you control get +1/+1. \ Whenever another Scarecrow enters the battlefield under your control, destroy target permanent. \ SHM-R \ \ Reape 09:50:35 ah 09:50:42 `random-card \(2/ 09:50:44 Flame Javelin \ (2/r)(2/r)(2/r) \ Instant \ ({(2/r)} can be paid with any two mana or with {R}. This card's converted mana cost is 6.) \ Flame Javelin deals 4 damage to target creature or player. \ SHM-U, DD2-U, DDK-U 09:54:08 we should figure out some interface for the comprehensive rules too 09:56:47 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:04:37 -!- heroux has joined. 10:23:49 so much mtg 10:24:07 `source 10:24:08 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: source: not found 10:24:12 `src 10:24:16 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: src: cannot execute: Is a directory 10:24:19 hm 10:24:22 `? HackEgo 10:24:24 HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in Mexico! 10:24:28 `help 10:24:28 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 10:25:29 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/multibot/wiki/Home 10:25:45 this is thr core source 10:26:22 quintopia: Danke. 10:32:15 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:34:11 -!- heroux has joined. 10:41:48 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot is arguably much more relevant. 10:42:08 -!- heroux has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:42:15 I mean, sure, it uses the multibot framework, but all that running-things stuff is hackbot. 10:42:18 -!- heroux has joined. 10:42:37 Plus https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox/wiki/Home for the actual work. 10:48:55 Does anyone know how it tracks the wiki changes? 10:49:03 Or, where said code is stored 10:51:31 not I 10:51:45 `ls 10:51:53 ​!\.´ \ advice \ atmospheres \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 10:52:45 none of those seem obvious candidates 10:53:28 `ls etc 10:53:32 luarocks 10:53:46 wat 10:54:04 `ls /etc 10:54:05 alternatives \ java-6-openjdk 10:56:36 `fetch http://media.wizards.com/2016/docs/MagicCompRules_04082016.txt 10:56:39 2016-05-09 09:56:33 URL:http://media.wizards.com/2016/docs/MagicCompRules_04082016.txt [650390/650390] -> "MagicCompRules_04082016.txt" [1] 10:57:00 ``` mv -vit /hackego/share/mtg/ "MagicCompRules_04082016.txt" 10:57:01 mv: accessing `/hackego/share/mtg/': No such file or directory 10:57:08 ``` mv -vit share/mtg/ "MagicCompRules_04082016.txt" 10:57:11 ​`MagicCompRules_04082016.txt' -> `share/mtg/MagicCompRules_04082016.txt' 10:57:15 it's hackenv, right? 10:57:19 ``` pwd 10:57:20 ​/hackenv 10:57:24 yup 10:58:26 ``` cd /hackenv/share/mtg && mv -vi MagiCompRules_{04082016,20160408}.txt 10:58:28 mv: cannot stat `MagiCompRules_04082016.txt': No such file or directory 10:58:37 ``` cd /hackenv/share/mtg && mv -vi MagicCompRules_{04082016,20160408}.txt 10:58:41 ​`MagicCompRules_04082016.txt' -> `MagicCompRules_20160408.txt' 10:58:50 ``` cd /hackenv/share/mtg && ln -sv MagicCompRules{_20160408,}.txt 10:58:54 ​`MagicCompRules.txt' -> `MagicCompRules_20160408.txt' 10:59:26 ``` cd share/mtg && cat -A MagicCompRules.txt 10:59:27 Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules^M$ \ ^M$ \ These rules are effective as of April 8, 2016.^M$ \ ^M$ \ Introduction^M$ \ ^M$ \ This document is designed for people whoM-^Rve moved beyond the basics of the Magic: The GatheringM-. game. If youM-^Rre a beginning MagicM-^Y player, youM-^Rll probably find these rules intimidating. TheyM-^Rre inte 10:59:36 ``` cd share/mtg && cat MagicCompRules.txt 10:59:38 Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules 11:01:02 ``` ls -aF libexec 11:01:03 ls: cannot access libexec: No such file or directory 11:01:09 ``` ls -aF share 11:01:10 ​./ \ ../ \ 8ballreplies \ Complaints.mp3 \ UnicodeData.txt \ WordData/ \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl* \ delvs-master/ \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello* \ lua/ \ maimer \ maimery \ maze* \ mtg/ \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ recipe/ \ scapeg 11:01:11 ``` ls -aF usr 11:01:12 ls: cannot access usr: No such file or directory 11:02:59 ``` ls bin/prepare-mtg 11:03:02 ls: cannot access bin/prepare-mtg: No such file or directory 11:03:14 ``` ls bin/*mtg* 11:03:15 ls: cannot access bin/*mtg*: No such file or directory 11:04:02 ``` echo $'#!/bin/bash\nset -e\n''cd /hackenv/share/mtg && tr -d \\r < MagicCompRules.txt > rules.txt && echo written ~+/rules.txt' > bin/preprocess-mtg && chmod -v a+x bin/preprocess-mtg 11:04:08 mode of `bin/preprocess-mtg' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) 11:04:09 `preprocess-mtg 11:04:12 written /hackenv/share/mtg/rules.txt 11:04:22 ``` cd share/mtg && cat rules.txt 11:04:25 Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules \ \ These rules are effective as of April 8, 2016. \ \ Introduction \ \ This document is designed for people who’ve moved beyond the basics of the Magic: The Gathering® game. If you’re a beginning Magic™ player, you’ll probably find these rules intimidating. They’re intended to be the ultimate authority f 11:25:57 ybden: There isn't "code" as such. 11:26:26 ybden: It's using MediaWiki's UDP-based change notifications and: 11:26:27 socat UDP-RECV:8147,bind=127.0.0.1 STDOUT | stdbuf -oL cut -c 1-400 | stdbuf -oL sed -e 's/^/PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] /' | socat STDIN UNIX-SENDTO:/tmp/multibot.HackEgo 11:26:31 That. 11:27:35 Hmm, interesting 11:27:36 Thanks 11:27:57 -!- boily has joined. 11:28:11 (That's running outside the sandbox you see, receiving the UDP notifications, mangling them a little bit, and then feeding them into the socket multibot provides for having the bot send arbitrary things to the server it's connected to.) 11:36:01 helloily 11:44:01 quinthellopia! 11:51:08 @massages-loud 11:51:08 oerjan said 11h 41m 12s ago: your `lastwisdoms pings tdnh 11:51:08 quintopia said 11h 39m 42s ago: also: we see hanging out here on mothers day 11:51:08 oerjan said 11h 39m 10s ago: oops, sorry, misidentified culprit 11:51:08 oerjan said 11h 22m 46s ago: btw since `lastwisdom was actually useless for its intended purpose, you might be the most likely user. but please only in private (see above). 11:51:59 I ought to unloud my massages... 12:01:13 nah 12:01:21 its cool 12:01:34 btw i couldnt accept your invite 12:01:49 but we'll figure something out 12:09:23 strange... 12:09:46 -!- boily has quit (Quit: PARAKEET CHICKEN). 12:17:16 "Code Golf Contest #130: Nethack speedrun" now *that's* a title 12:17:55 It seems to have been just a little bit simplified from what the description might imply. 12:19:52 `` echo You win. 12:20:04 Turns out it's a find-the-length-of-the-shortest-path task with input being a NetHack level "screenshot". 12:20:23 You win. 12:21:52 ah. 12:45:17 -!- jaboja has joined. 12:47:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 12:53:00 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:06:28 -!- jaboja has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:14:45 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:21:25 -!- gniourf has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:23:10 -!- copumpkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:23:33 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:24:29 -!- gniourf has joined. 13:45:12 -!- rodgort has joined. 13:49:13 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:51:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:52:49 -!- feliks has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:53:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:54:46 -!- nycs has joined. 14:19:40 -!- feliks has joined. 14:28:27 https://i.imgur.com/EBLfLHy.jpg 14:34:21 It's so cute :3 14:45:39 -!- aloril_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:50:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:23:01 -!- aloril has joined. 15:42:20 -!- rdococ has joined. 15:45:58 -!- spiette has joined. 15:47:31 -!- trn has quit (Quit: quit). 16:07:45 -!- trn has joined. 16:12:02 a single sed replacement that will run a "step" of BCT, feed it program:data (uses ERE, run with sed -E): s/^(0)(.*):.|^(1(.))(.*):(1.*)$|^(1.)(.*):/\2\5\8\1\3\7:\6\4/ 16:14:17 Didn't we do that once? 16:14:38 yeah, but it used more than 10 capture groups 16:14:53 so wouldn't run on a normal sed 16:15:10 *9 16:15:22 Oh, right -- it was as a Perl regex. 16:22:07 Yeah, it captured the separator character as well. 16:38:05 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:46:37 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:50:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:55:02 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:11:23 -!- gremlins2 has joined. 17:12:47 -!- gremlins2 has quit (Client Quit). 17:14:45 -!- gremlins has joined. 17:15:36 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:39:22 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:39:34 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:47:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:53:33 ?metar CYVR 17:53:34 CYVR 091600Z 23004KT 200V330 20SM BKN019 11/08 A3010 RMK SC6 SLP194 17:56:51 -!- jaboja has joined. 18:05:18 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:07:54 -!- nisstyre has joined. 18:18:07 -!- jaboja has joined. 18:24:54 -!- Caesura has joined. 18:27:41 -!- carado has joined. 18:39:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:43:18 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * GeorgeGibson * New user account 18:45:01 [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46988&oldid=46794 * GeorgeGibson * (+261) /* Sacred */ 18:51:58 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:56:02 Do you like "last strike"? 18:56:14 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:56:51 zzo38: Does that add a third combat damage step? 18:58:39 Yes 18:58:48 It is my own kind of idea (and possibly others too) 18:59:34 zzo38: But then there are three possible meanings of "double strike". 18:59:43 I would suggest that if it has last strike then it deal damage during the last strike step instead of the normal strike step; first strike overrides it. 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I seem to have nommed myself into oblivion. I have ceased to be.). 23:41:28 -!- zgrep has joined. 23:44:31 dead chat 23:46:55 rip in peace chat 23:47:29 Hoover, your a necromancer, you ressurected it 23:47:58 http://esolangs.org/wiki/ZOMBIE 23:49:24 -!- ^^v has joined. 23:50:25 hi 23:52:12 `unidecode μ 23:52:32 ​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU] 23:53:25 Advice: if you *must* program using Unicode identifiers, don't mix up your µs and μs. ;__; 23:53:44 `unidecode µ 23:53:52 `unidecode μ 23:53:55 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 23:53:56 ​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU] 23:54:00 unicode :') 23:54:05 -!- boily has quit (Quit: BATH CHICKEN). 23:54:30 i like how MICRO SIGN has a lower codepoint 2016-05-10: 00:10:36 i haz found garbage http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%99%A6 00:11:52 check the history 00:12:27 i cant understand t 00:15:34 straight substitution seems too obvious but it's worth trying frequency analysis 00:21:13 define '<': increment ptrp; define '+': increment dup; define '-': decrement dup; 00:21:32 A esolang im working on has a sample bf intepreter (= 00:23:26 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:24:34 `` quote oerjan | shuf 00:24:41 615) * oerjan concludes that unsafeCoerce has no effect on strictness \ 614) but yeah the caliphates expanded their empire by conquering people and then forcing them to either convert to Islam or die. [...] i thought it was sort of, convert to islam or pay extra taxes, but i guess it varied a lot. \ 366) Will anyone be 00:24:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:25:12 `quote 00:25:13 `quote 00:25:15 `quote 00:25:15 `quote 00:25:16 `quote 00:25:34 hichaf. turns out reading about a new mathematical concept a few hours before going to bed is not conducive to good sleeping hth 00:25:42 960) o.O OS/2 is what became NT? I didn't really know what OS/2 was 00:25:42 434) fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. 00:25:46 879) GreyKnight: for instance, you can form a poset category from a bunch of tiles oh, that's why somebody was conflating category theory with bathroom interior design the other day :-D 00:25:46 117) GOODBAD! Your watered down brand of evil conflicts with my botched attempts at dogoodery! 00:25:47 1255) What is an esolang? shachaf: It's an archaic term for an Esolang 00:25:50 which new mathematical concept did you read about this time 00:26:08 on the plus side, i now understand why laver tables must have 2^n sizes if they exist. although not yet why they are shelves. 00:26:14 oh, that 00:26:37 `? laver tables 00:26:39 laver tables? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:26:42 shelves are p. bizarre 00:27:01 how do you use le/rn/ again? 00:28:32 `le/rn laver table/A laver table is a type of Welsh furniture primarily used for eating seaweed. 00:28:38 Learned «laver table» 00:28:45 please improve twh 00:29:07 no hth 00:29:16 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:29:35 i was talking to coppro hth 00:29:44 obviously i wouldn't ask the retiree 00:29:55 `? oerjan 00:29:57 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 00:30:24 good, good 00:30:52 `` sed -i 's/re//' wisdom/oerjan 00:31:12 /me swats shachaf -----### 00:31:42 have you been saving that one up 00:31:50 nope 00:32:02 shachaf: I was just going to quote wikipedia 00:32:18 laver tables are tables of numbers that have certain properties 00:32:37 do it 00:32:54 https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/too+simple+to+be+simple 00:37:55 i made a thing: http://pastebin.com/680vBM4U 00:38:04 its the demo idea for a esolang im making 00:38:09 its a brainfuck intepreter 00:39:05 this just looks like a lang 00:39:25 Eh maybe. 00:39:37 its unique in its own ways 00:39:39 applescript is more esoteric than this 00:39:44 .-. 00:39:59 it may be useful still 00:40:08 think about it for a second 00:40:41 you could intepret a lot of languages in the finished product 00:41:06 i think the wikipedia article on Laver tables confuses racks with shelves. unfortunately there seems to be no article on the latter. 00:41:27 (racks have an extra requirement.) 00:42:58 Hey, at least lex is turing complete 00:43:19 oerjan: but what quandles twh 00:43:57 it's a real quandary 00:45:57 oerjan: also does the shelf operation have anything to do with S twah 00:47:59 shachaf: what do you think of this? http://pastebin.com/680vBM4U 00:48:08 the S combinator? looks awkward. 00:48:11 Why are you asking me? 00:48:22 because i want your opinion 00:48:43 But I've hardly talked to you. 00:51:01 "shelf" is not an easily googleable term tdnh 00:51:05 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:51:06 * oerjan leaves a red link 00:52:51 Tromp_; what do you think of this? http://pastebin.com/680vBM4U 00:53:30 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 00:54:43 Moon__: It's kind of rude to just ask your question of whoever is talking in the channel or just joined the channel. 00:55:01 It's also not too useful, because those are exactly the people who see what's going on in the channel anyway. 00:55:33 Srry 00:55:57 Moon__ i think's it's rather verbose:( 00:56:07 it refused to load until the very moment i pressed close, which i take as a sign not to look at it hth 00:56:42 (aka ^w) 00:56:59 That's why people ought to post raw links when they use pastebin.com 00:57:21 now xkcd. 00:57:30 im writing it so i can have aliases for things 00:57:47 I'd say its good for defineing intepreters :P 00:58:44 Here's the raw link oerjan: http://pastebin.com/raw/680vBM4U 00:58:59 TOO LATE 00:59:28 but but thats a bf interpreter and proof of turing completeness for something im makeing ;-; 00:59:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:59:45 Hia hppavilion[1] 00:59:54 hellmooon 00:59:58 s/ooo/oo/ 01:00:08 I seem to be formulating a collection of mathematical chess variants 01:00:13 i recommend not naming your languages after common unix utilities hth 01:00:17 Are chess variants like the BF derivative of board games? 01:00:31 oerjan: Oh, is somebody making a mistake? 01:00:35 Oh, i didnt know that lex was a unix util name 01:00:41 *facepalm* 01:00:45 Moon__: What's lex? 01:00:47 no because chess is kind of its own field in boardgames 01:00:53 (your lex, not our lex) 01:01:04 A language im working on 01:01:11 Not a one char command 01:01:12 Moon__: What's the concept? 01:01:20 One of the ones I thought of that I particularly like is Gaussian Chess 01:01:24 Which is like chess 01:01:29 Kinda like a data processer 01:01:42 Takes in data, does something to it, spits it out 01:01:49 Moon__: So a batch processor? 01:01:50 `8ball Are chess variants like the BF derivative of board games? 01:01:53 My sources say no. 01:01:56 Yay! 01:01:57 OKAY 01:01:58 i knew it 01:02:00 I wrote a brainfuck intepreter in it for proof of concept: http://pastebin.com/raw/680vBM4U 01:02:11 And turing completeness 01:02:27 ironically you aren't actually parsing the brainfuck input like you should 01:02:32 ? 01:02:45 What did i do wrong? 01:02:52 It goes throught the code one char at a time 01:03:11 you implement [] as independent jump instructions 01:03:22 which admittedly is how the original spec did it 01:03:24 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:03:43 next means just ignore it 01:03:51 and go to the next char 01:04:23 But with the additional allowance that, instead of moving a piece, you may take the abs() of a piece or the sum or product of two pieces, where such an operation produces a piece with the position of the abs/sum/product of its inputs when they are treated as rank+file*i 01:04:33 whereas i would argue that [] loops are a syntactic construct and should be treated as such 01:04:43 Phantom__Hoover: Either solution is valid ATM 01:05:07 Well, my language is turing complete at least 01:05:11 Phantom__Hoover: I actually made a quite nice extension using the stack model (didn't publish it because it was a BF derivative) 01:05:29 i.e. the implementation should scan through the program and construct an AST of normal instructions and loops containing blocks of normal instructions 01:05:33 Phantom__Hoover: [] behaves as normal, and {} are like [] except they do nothing but serve as labels 01:05:39 ('normal' meaning '+-<>.,') 01:06:01 [] is while, {] is do-while, [} is if-then, {} is... well, that's just do 01:06:12 actually the "Use defines" command is sort of esoteric, i think. 01:06:13 Moon__, at the very least an implementation like that would demonstrate interesting data manipulation, rather than just iteration on an array 01:06:20 er *use 01:06:32 It's basically scope, but BF doesn't exactly do scope, so it's useless 01:06:51 even then, the brackets match each other and should be parsed 01:07:18 i beleive they wrk, only a function interpreter could prove me wrong 01:07:19 Moon__: Does it crash if the brackets don't match? As in, a surplus of leading brackets? 01:07:42 The lex implentation should prevent running off the file 01:08:23 Thats up to the person who implents it, really 01:08:30 Moon__: But does it crash if there are extra [s that DON'T try to look for their partner (e.g. if they're always prefixed with [-])? 01:08:33 it's not about how well the interpreter actually runs 01:09:08 It will stop, yes, but the intepreter wont full crash 01:09:17 it's about properly acknowledging the structure of the interpreted program, and making your interpreter implement something more interesting than the bog standard interpreter that everyone's written in C 01:09:27 Phantom__Hoover: I'm a fan of BF's stack strategy- they're a syntactic construct to a naive onlooker, yes, but if you can get away without parsing, goodonya 01:10:18 if someone wanted ,they could use 'on error ' constructs to handle errors like that 01:10:22 if you don't parse you're doomed to get quadratic overhead on looping 01:10:42 um maybe quadratic is the wrong word 01:10:50 oerjan: Ah, yes, that too 01:10:53 i'm not sure it's worse than a constant overhead 01:10:55 oerjan: Exponential? Polynomial? 01:10:55 Hey, can all y'all guys access a webpage at this URL? http://nlp.stanford.edu:8080/parser/ 01:10:59 but it's a really dumb constant overhead 01:11:08 tswett, no 01:11:11 tswett: Nope 01:11:26 No? 01:11:29 Phantom__Hoover: it's not constant if a large loop is frequently skipped 01:11:29 So isup.me is lying. 01:11:59 tswett: Yes, or we live in an oppressive regime and didn't notice the transition 01:12:01 Someone could write the parsar too, easy 01:12:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:12:09 Moon__: If it's easy, make one 01:12:15 Moon__: Demonstrate the ease of your language 01:12:20 im not done with the specs 01:12:39 but they could use loops and 'replace with ' for that 01:13:23 what i wrote was a proof of turing completeness, really 01:13:58 Moon__: Yes, but it's not an elegant proof 01:14:10 Doesnt need to be 01:14:11 Moon__: If you can make a parser in it, the language will be provably interesting 01:14:33 True, ill make something 01:16:06 `` sed -i 's/Mexico/all Mexico/' wisdom/hackego 01:16:11 didn't get it quite right 01:16:13 No output. 01:16:19 `? HackEgo 01:16:21 HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! 01:17:33 The only problem with writing a parsar is im lazy :P 01:18:00 there's a unix utility that can help with that hth 01:18:09 What? 01:18:24 shachaf: tdnh 01:18:44 -!- ^^v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:18:46 oerjan: "tdnh" is not in my lexicon hth 01:18:54 `lex 01:19:15 also, lex cannot parse brackets, can it? 01:19:24 No output. 01:19:30 it's regexp-based, you need yacc/bison. 01:19:50 `which lex 01:19:52 ​/usr/bin/lex 01:20:09 'run external command @echo off 01:20:29 thats a theoretical lex command :P 01:20:53 Oh my god 01:20:59 ? 01:20:59 Moon__: sounds unlikely, since @echo off is the kind of thing you _don't_ implement externally. 01:21:03 oerjan: i said it can help, not that it'll do the whole job for you 01:21:09 and also i didn't name a utility 01:21:19 Dinosaur Comics: "THIS COMIC WILL NOT BE DISPLAYED TWICE" 01:21:20 is it 1sed 01:21:21 although someone here manage to make an external cd, so... 01:21:27 *managed 01:21:29 * hppavilion[1] refreshes the page 01:21:32 Different comic 01:21:46 Oh, it's the same with a different ending 01:22:07 hppavilion[1]: "with a different text" hth 01:22:07 would you all try writing in lex? 01:22:11 >_> <_< 01:22:19 oerjan: Yesh, there we go 01:22:21 Moon__: No 01:22:23 *yeah 01:22:45 Moon__: Make the language interesting and we will gravitate towards it 01:22:55 K 01:23:09 Moon__ is going through the try-to-make-others-use-his-language phase. soon, the despair. 01:23:49 then the vodka. 01:25:11 *is a electric badmitten racket maniac* 01:25:27 *trying to electricute flys* 01:25:37 so mad he forgets /me again 01:31:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:32:15 Hi tromp 01:32:26 hi 01:35:51 `ls atmospheres 01:35:56 atmospheres 01:36:01 `culprits atmospheres 01:36:16 oerjan 01:36:21 oh duh 01:36:25 `rm atmospheres 01:36:30 No output. 01:38:35 how do you deal with spam on the eso wiki? 01:38:54 there's a captcha and a spam filter 01:39:01 thanks 01:39:14 and some blocked ips 01:39:50 the spam filter is rules handcrafted by ais523 01:40:20 like matching viagra? 01:40:40 -!- Moon__ has quit (Quit: jIRCii - http://www.oldschoolirc.com). 01:40:56 no. because bots don't understand proper wiki formatting, nearly all have strange but obvious things like
instead of newlines 01:41:30 *spambots 01:41:43 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:43:03 -!- Moon_ has joined. 01:43:09 back 01:43:58 so afaik there are no filters based on what the spammers try to advertise. 01:44:33 why not just recaptcha? 01:45:07 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:45:48 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:46:00 izabera: well those spammers that bother to hire out to a human captcha solver get through anyway. 01:46:59 last autumn or so some of them did that. but after ais523 updated the filters again, those held. 01:47:38 izabera: we were sort of running an experiment where we were using just _one_ captcha. and until last autumn that was pretty good. 01:47:50 one? 01:47:54 like, never changing? 01:47:56 (it just occasionally had to be changed, but just one.) 01:48:09 not automatically, no. 01:48:59 that probably doesn't scale too well 01:49:19 indeed. it was entirely based on the principle that we're too small to target specifically. 01:49:49 (if not, the filters probably would have been got around too) 01:53:07 i have decided to write a chatbot in C++ 01:56:58 why 01:58:05 Cuz 02:00:26 No reinventing the wheel, ill start from a skeleton, add the meat 02:01:20 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:10:50 making a skeleton generally classifies as reinventing the wheel :) 02:11:28 but well, if you know enough C++11 and have boost at hands, not *that* hard I guess 02:12:25 import cleverbot 02:12:28 #done 02:13:06 its a irc bot >_> 02:13:13 neither is cleverbot 02:13:20 oh 02:13:22 i read that wrong 02:22:47 Anyone feel like (code)golfing? 02:25:26 i think the golfers are currently busy doing laver tables in binary lambda calculus. 02:27:07 i was thinking about challanging you all to write a brainfuck intepreter in the esolang of your choise 02:27:08 i like golfing 02:27:19 bindun 02:27:38 I have a programming language that is basically identical to brainfuck except that the empty program is a self-interpreter. 02:27:39 as small as possible 02:27:52 id call that cheating :P 02:28:28 just dont use cheaty ones and im ok with it 02:28:49 no, it is a rule-bending. after all golfing across different languages is... uh... not really worth arguing. 02:28:59 rule-bending one* 02:29:08 Are you a golpher? 02:29:11 Like the animal. 02:29:19 shachaf: gollang. 02:29:22 no-.- 02:29:30 lifthrasiir: Game of life language? 02:29:39 shachaf: sounds great 02:29:45 never thought in that way 02:29:55 Moon_: you think to compare cross-lang to get shortest interp? 02:30:04 Yea 02:30:56 i can't think what would be the best lang for that purpose 02:31:09 i wonder how long a jelly interp would be 02:32:16 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:32:35 http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/27364/esoteric-programming-languages 02:32:37 i found home 02:32:42 gnight 02:33:01 SE had a chat? I didn't know 02:33:50 the 103 byte simplex solution is the shortest one i can find 02:34:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:34:13 Moon_: that chat has very sporadic activity 02:35:52 Brian Raiter had 166-byte-long ELF binary (!) for BF interp http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/bf.asm.txt 02:36:18 activity spores 02:37:34 i bet i could do it in under 100 02:37:34 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:37:41 (not a binary) 02:37:42 Moon_: 103 bytes barely beats my Binary Lambda Calculus one 02:38:14 which is 5 bits longer 02:38:26 oh 02:38:36 so you're not tuomas laakkonen 02:38:45 or are you 02:38:48 can we just declare BLC to be cheating and get it over with >:) 02:38:59 cheating how:-? 02:39:01 no 02:39:08 tromp: it's TOO GOOD hth 02:39:14 pfft 02:39:34 let's make BLC plus adaptive compression 02:39:53 you don't need to 02:39:54 you could do better 02:39:58 22:41:09 tromp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus says that Haskell-style I/O requires a type system, but that isn't true. 02:40:01 22:41:59 Not that BLC would benefit from Haskell-style I/O, for the things it's typically used for. 02:40:32 how would you do Haskell style IO shachaf? 02:41:06 extend the lambda calculus with readbit and writebit primitives? 02:41:30 For example with an a sum type like data IO = ReadBit (Bool -> IO) | WriteBit Bool IO | Done 02:41:41 Or you can make it a monad if you want to. 02:41:51 that's not untyped then?! 02:41:56 Of course you'd have to encode it in lambdas. 02:42:20 just use original haskell 1.0 hth 02:42:33 But the type system isn't really what prevents Haskell programs from mixing up "IO a" and "a", which is what that entry looked like it suggested. 02:42:47 oerjan: haskell 1.0 doesn't exist hth 02:42:57 the type sysmtem is needed to serialize io primitives 02:43:12 What do you mean? 02:43:16 If you can encode a list, you can encode this type. 02:43:52 you need to prevent things like writebit applied to writebit 02:43:58 shachaf: hm? 02:45:00 also, you dont want order of io operations to depend on order of evaluation 02:45:04 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:45:06 It doesn't. 02:46:03 I wrote about this a bit in http://stackoverflow.com/a/13538351 02:46:55 When you encode a list in lambda calculus, do you need to prevent things like cons applied to a non-list? 02:46:56 shachaf: https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj4zdWEsc7MAhUK2SwKHWtSA0YQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.haskell.org%2Fdefinition%2Fhaskell-report-1.0.ps.gz&usg=AFQjCNERSb6UmbpF5lvDfv5V3HZsJsVKlg&bvm=bv.121099550,bs.1,d.bGg 02:47:03 good url 02:47:12 stupid google doesn't let me link directly without opening it 02:47:22 it was meant to be a joke about old things not existing 02:47:28 but i didn't really think it through 02:47:43 MAYBE YOUR THOUGHT DIDN'T EXIST, HUH? 02:47:49 MAYBE 02:48:10 or maybe it existed so much that it wrapped around to not existing 02:48:28 more than you'll ever exist 02:48:30 `? ørjan 02:48:33 ​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. 02:49:59 . o O ( a solipsistic AI simulation ) 02:50:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:50:28 are ørjan and oerjan påls 02:51:23 are you going to drag pål-ørjan into this, i had almost forgot the guy 02:53:11 looks like he has a twitter https://twitter.com/po_johansen 02:54:29 he seems to like LSD 02:56:32 ...and a norwegian wikipedia page. 02:57:41 thx for the link shachaf, will slowly digest that 02:57:56 -!- acertain has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:59:15 +1 LSD 03:00:14 oerjan: wow, even i don't have a norwegian wikipedia page 03:00:35 https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2ywf4a 03:00:38 shocking 03:01:14 "Please note, Pål and Teri do not have PhDs." 03:01:46 shachaf: AAAAAAAAAAA 03:01:56 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:02:41 oerjan: maybe you can publish a joint paper about lsd homology 03:02:57 well, i guess a joint paper would be about a different drug 03:05:52 oerjan: how come harald didn't name his son pål 03:06:15 shachaf: nice write-up, but i don't see how to implement any of your approaches without types 03:06:19 i don't think pål is a traditional royal name 03:06:38 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:07:03 well, this one would be principål 03:07:26 <\oren\> content delivery networks are the webs of the spiderdemon 03:07:33 tromp: I don't see what types have to do with it. 03:08:18 ContIO = Exit | PutStrLn String ContIO | GetLine (String -> ContIO) | ... is a type 03:08:30 Yes, and data List a = Nil | Cons a (List a) is a type. 03:08:39 But you can implement lists even in untyped lambda calculus. 03:09:19 but you cannot constrain lists in untyped lc 03:09:48 PutStrLn needs to constrain its argument to be a string 03:10:05 And Cons needs to constrain its second argument to be a list. 03:10:07 <\oren\> there are two doors between me and my wireless router. my internet is fastest when both are closed. 03:10:18 <\oren\> THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE 03:12:10 show me an alternative definition of BLC with IO primitives 03:13:47 and then we can discuss its semantics 03:14:56 <\oren\> maybe there's some weird geometry in my house that causes the signal to cancel itself out??? 03:17:30 There are lots of possible encodings in lambda calculus. 03:18:17 pick the simplest 03:18:46 Encode Exit as (\e w r -> e); WriteBit b k as (\e w r -> w b more); ReadBit k as (\e w r -> r k) 03:18:47 i just need readbit and writebit 03:19:35 I guess that's the Scott encoding. 03:20:34 you lost me alrd:( 03:21:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:21:32 \oren\: feng shui poltergeist hth 03:21:37 OK, how would you encode a program that generates a list of bits as output? 03:21:41 No input necessary. 03:22:58 in my model, any closed lambda term is a program that does binary IO 03:23:31 the input bit stream is represented as a list of booleans to which the term is applied 03:23:50 How do you represent a list? 03:24:26 cons = \M\N. \z. z M N 03:24:43 0 = \t\f. t 03:24:47 1 = \t\f. f 03:25:12 How do you terminate a list? 03:25:23 nil = 1 03:26:26 OK. Would you believe the encoding "cons = \M\N. \c\n. c M N"; "nil = \c\n. n"? 03:26:47 I.e., to consume a list cell, you pass it what to do in the nil case and in the cons case. 03:28:23 that works too 03:28:32 OK, so I'm doing the same thing. 03:28:47 Exit = \e\w\r. e 03:28:56 i just dont call that monadic IO 03:29:44 I didn't say it was monadic, though you can make it a monad easily enough if you want to. 03:30:32 i claimed that having readbit as a *primitive* of the lambda calculus language requires a type system 03:31:27 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:32:03 Maybe we're just talking about different things. 03:32:33 i thought we're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus#Binary_I.2FO 03:33:18 where i contrast my approach to IO with that of Chaitin 03:33:27 "unless one distinguishes between an I/O action and its result, as Haskell does with its monadic I/O" 03:33:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:33:42 I'm just saying that the type system isn't what distinguishes between an I/O action and its result. 03:33:52 They're just completely different things. 03:34:12 The type system distinguishes between strings and integers, sure, but even without the type system they'd be different things. 03:34:19 i didnt say that 03:34:59 i said that a readbit *primitive* with monadic semantics requires a type system 03:35:25 OK. Perhaps I just misunderstood. 03:35:32 Though I think "monadic" is a red herring anyway. 03:36:03 you can omit the word monadic there 03:36:44 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:37:23 It would be good for more languages to make a distinction between IO action values and their results, even in the absence of type systems, and even in the absence of being able to abstract over the choice of a monad. 03:45:26 i use the word monadic to emphasize that distinction, but the "requires type system" refers to readbit being a language primitive 03:46:46 agree with Cale 03:48:46 -!- centrinia has joined. 03:49:15 Cale: why IO specifically and not other side effects? 03:49:28 since side effects could indirectly have IO effects 03:50:23 coppro: Well, IO is the stuff that you want some sort of support in the language implementation to interpret. 03:50:59 It's perfectly possible to carve out a subclass of pure lambda terms which encode IO actions 03:51:24 But without some sort of interpreter underneath which is going to carry out the effects, it doesn't really do much for you. 03:52:16 -!- centrinia has quit (Client Quit). 03:53:16 Cale: hmm... I'm not sure I agree 03:53:38 you do need language implementation (or library implementation) support 03:53:52 but I'm not sure that that's a reason to make a distinction 03:54:06 integer addition requires implementation support as well 03:54:13 Oh, you mean, "why is it a good idea to distinguish IO actions like we do in Haskell"? 03:54:33 ohhhh, I misread what you said 03:55:17 yeah, I'd still ask why not do that for any function with side effects 03:55:41 Well, obviously we'd rather not have arbitrary side effects at the same time 03:55:57 hmm 03:56:01 The idea is just to encode effects as values of a particular type 03:56:02 can you give an example, perhaps? 03:58:04 Well, you know how things work in Haskell, right? We have this separate parametric data type, IO t, representing actions which can be carried out and which may have arbitrary effects, before resulting in a value of type t if they succeed. 03:58:51 yep 03:59:36 You can think of such a value as consisting of some sort of encoding of what to do in what order in terms of various primitive I/O actions. It's possible to represent that entirely with a pure lambda term, taking the I/O primitives and bind, and return as arguments, and sticking them together somehow. 03:59:52 right 04:00:35 Not that you'd *need* to do this in an arbitrary other language -- just to say that as soon as your language is expressive enough to have lambda terms, it's expressive enough to represent IO actions purely. 04:00:47 right 04:01:42 I guess I don't really see the benefit in a language not built around purity 04:01:56 Having such a concept is nice because it lets you not worry about effects during evaluation -- you have this separate notion of the execution of one of these IO actions, where the thing is taken apart and the steps described are carried out 04:02:33 right 04:02:37 Well, it gives you a really nice formulaic way to pull a bunch of messy stuff out of the description of evaluation. 04:02:50 yeah 04:02:52 So in some sense, it's all about making the language more pure 04:03:04 But my point is that it really doesn't *require* a type system 04:03:04 I guess I was just thinking of trying to staple that onto, say, an OO language 04:03:29 It probably requires lambdas to not pull your hair out in anguish 04:03:34 yeah 04:03:40 Cale: You're making a similar point to the one I was making a few pages up, I think. 04:03:43 that would be a neat esolang actually 04:03:43 You're going to want something akin to bind and/or do-notation anyway 04:03:51 pure OOP 04:03:53 POOP 04:03:57 shachaf: I'm basically rephrasing what you were talking about 04:04:11 With more emphasis on monads, maybe. 04:04:24 I don't know that you get that much benefit out of having a monadic interface. 04:05:41 Well, you need *some* ways to glue these IO actions together. I hesitate to say that providing return and bind as operations is really giving you "monads" in any real sense, because the whole story about abstracting over a choice of monad is still lots more work. 04:06:21 But yeah, if you prefer to glue together IO actions in some other ways, then those are fine too 04:06:51 Well, the type you would get is a monad, whether or not you recognize it. 04:08:11 Yeah -- though recognising it may not have much use if it doesn't let you write code which will work with any monad and reuse it. 04:10:27 Like, people implement Maybe or State in various other languages, and they implement the monad operations for them, but I would resist the notion that they're "programming with monads" just for having done so -- the point at which you really start to use monads is when you write something like sequence or liftM2 and have it work for all the monads you'll ever define. 04:10:55 People's implementations of Maybe are often scow because they collapse Nothing and Just Nothing. 04:11:00 hah 04:11:04 Yeah, that too 04:11:17 btw, did you know that Aeson's JSON encoding of Maybe does that? 04:11:36 No. 04:11:44 I didn't, until information started getting destroyed in transit between my web frontend and backend 04:11:44 I guess it kind of fits with the JSON model. 04:12:28 yeah 04:12:32 the JSON model is odd 04:12:42 <\oren\> shachaf: Maybe Nothing is a stupid type 04:12:42 partly because of its genesis in javascript 04:12:54 \oren\: But it's a great value. 04:13:10 JavaScript can't really distinguish between an explicit and implicit null 04:13:22 at least, not without effort 04:13:26 We use the Template Haskell stuff to write all our ToJSON/FromJSON instances for both the frontend and backend of our apps, and so mostly don't have to worry about how anything is being encoded 04:13:36 :k Maybe 'Nothing 04:13:37 The first argument of ‘Maybe’ should have kind ‘*’, 04:13:37 but ‘Nothing’ has kind ‘Maybe k0’ 04:13:37 In a type in a GHCi command: Maybe Nothing 04:13:43 OR NOT 04:13:50 Cale: IIRC the Maybe Nothing thing was an accident rather than by design, wasn't it? 04:14:03 coppro: Yeah, well, kinda 04:14:04 \oren\: Wait, never mind. 04:14:18 Cale: I mean, how would you otherwise distinguish them in JSON? 04:14:28 since the default encoding of Maybe Foo is either as null or a Foo 04:14:29 coppro: They should be records with a tag 04:14:39 that doesn't match common usage at all though 04:14:46 Aeson has template haskell code which will construct instances for an arbitrary algebraic data type 04:14:58 they should have just used the TH code to write the instances, and everything would be good :) 04:15:01 <\oren\> > Maybe Nothing 04:15:03 Not in scope: data constructor ‘Maybe’ 04:15:03 Perhaps you meant variable ‘maybe’ (imported from Data.Maybe) 04:15:04 it wouldn't though 04:15:06 > Just Nothing 04:15:08 Just Nothing 04:15:10 because then they wouldn't have a way to deserialize null 04:15:21 <\oren\> :t Just Nothing 04:15:22 Maybe (Maybe a) 04:15:38 <\oren\> :t Nothing 04:15:39 Maybe a 04:15:57 <\oren\> :t Just Just Nothing 04:15:57 Cale: like, if it was a record with a tag, so would the inside 04:15:58 Couldn't match expected type ‘Maybe a1 -> t’ 04:15:58 with actual type ‘Maybe (a0 -> Maybe a0)’ 04:15:58 The function ‘Just’ is applied to two arguments, 04:16:11 <\oren\> :t Just (Just Nothing) 04:16:12 Maybe (Maybe (Maybe a)) 04:16:24 coppro: Well, I suppose I'm in a bit of a special position. We're using Haskell all the way through the applications I'm working on, so we don't actually *care* what the JSON looks like, so long as it's a faithful representation of the Haskell values. 04:16:25 so you'd have { "isNull": "false", "value": { "isNull": "false", "value": "something" } } 04:16:39 Cale: yeah, that's an unusual use case 04:17:01 <\oren\> hey i Just met you, and this is crazy, so here's my Number, so call me Maybe 04:17:09 being able to understand nulls for a datatype is important for things like JSON merge-patch 04:17:23 But yeah, the problem is that Just x can't be encoded the same way as x 04:17:33 It needs *some* kind of wrapper 04:17:40 it can *except* if x is itself a Maybe 04:17:46 or more accurately 04:17:51 if x itself has a null value 04:18:00 Aeson's model is that Maybe should be the only thing with a null value though 04:18:24 Yeah, I suppose you could do a bunch of awful type class nonsense to try to express which types have a JSON encoding that encodes something as null 04:18:43 you *could* define types like MaybeFoo = NoFoo | HasFoo Foo and serialize them "correctly" 04:18:54 Yeah, I ended up using Either () 04:19:51 I think I recall that conversation actually, now that I think about it 04:19:53 yeah that works 04:20:00 there's an iso anyway :P 04:20:06 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:20:15 Yeah, it's just a really annoying gotcha 04:24:18 I'd expect that in most cases where you had some particular JSON format you wanted to match, you'd be defining your own types to represent its values, and writing the ToJSON and FromJSON by hand anyway, and so you might as well handle the nulls yourself then. 04:24:38 (rather than having the Maybe instance do it for you) 04:25:26 I think that's unlikely 04:25:44 I think the more realistic case is that you would have Maybe handle it 04:26:08 since it would be thins like "this field is either a string or null" 04:27:04 You could still have some explicit "nullable" JSON parser combinator, which does that 04:27:21 But I dunno, I don't think of Maybe as being the same thing as nullable. 04:28:29 I think realizing the importance of things like Just Nothing vs. Nothing is one of the benefits you get from learning Haskell. 04:30:07 In my case, it came up sort of semi-automatically (it would have been in a case where the type to use would have been determined by associated types, but we hadn't yet got to the point of automating it when I ran into the problem) 04:30:25 Cale: I think the use cases of nullables and Maybe are pretty similar 04:30:35 Basically, the thing was regarding representing patches to a Map k v as values of type Map k (Maybe v) 04:31:08 (this isn't a perfect encoding in general, since you'd really want that to involve a type representing a patch to a v, but regardless...) 04:31:37 When v happened to already be Maybe t, this mysteriously fell over at runtime 04:31:46 yeah 04:31:53 and it was quite hard to track down what the heck was happening 04:32:37 I'm thinking of writing an extension to brainfuck -- would it be against the spirit of bf to add a single cell that can hold strings, for file handling and env variables?d 04:32:46 (would have been harder still if the type class machinery for representing patches that we have now was in place) 04:33:28 But yeah, it sucks a bit needing to be careful that these type level programs which compute the types of patches don't accidentally put two Maybe's in a row 04:33:56 Cale: yeah, I feel like the "correct" solution there from a usability + workingness perspective would be to identify some types as supporting explicit nulls so that you can serialize them appropriately 04:34:10 -!- Moon_ has joined. 04:34:18 I think the correct solution is just to treat Maybe as you would any other algebraic data type 04:34:18 the more JSON-y way would probably be null vs. { "value": null } vs. { "value": value } 04:34:31 The TH instance is *fine* 04:34:32 that sucks for common users now 04:34:52 I don't think I agree -- note that it's only the *default* behaviour for Maybe 04:35:11 I'm Joe Stupid trying to use Aeson, I have a field which is encoded as either null or an integer 04:35:47 I try "Maybe Integer" but it always gives an error. I try "Integer" but it can't deserialize null. I give up and go use JavaScirpt. 04:36:15 We can still provide something like parseNullable :: Value -> Parser (Maybe a) 04:36:34 but now I have to explicitly write my To/FromJson instances 04:36:37 well, parseNullable :: (FromJSON a) => Value -> Parser (Maybe a) 04:37:08 yeah, well, if you care about the precise JSON representation, it makes sense to be doing that anyway 04:37:09 Cale: how come sql doesn't have let ... in ... 04:37:19 how do people live without it 04:37:19 shachaf: because it's scow? 04:37:36 can't argue with that 04:37:42 hahaha 04:38:05 Cale: I don't think that's the point of Aeson, though. 04:38:06 If you're at all interested in writing a new database, I have a few feature requests :P 04:39:07 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:39:27 I really want a database with which my application can register a query in a semi-permanent fashion, and any time that a transaction commits which might affect the result of that query, the DB sends my application a diff of the results. 04:39:43 oh apparently someone opened an issue 04:39:44 https://github.com/bos/aeson/issues/376 04:39:44 Cale: http://www.rethinkdb.com/ hth 04:40:01 (I worked at that company a few years ago, though it was a very different database back then.) 04:40:20 Cale: oh wait that's you 04:40:28 Cale: maybe that wasn't you who I remember complaining about it then 04:40:35 I recall this discussion quite a while back 04:40:37 shachaf: Oh, yeah, I also want it to be statically typed. 04:40:42 coppro: Yeah, that was me :) 04:40:50 Well, obviously you would want that. 04:41:16 shachaf: and I want sum typed columns 04:41:44 e.g. "this column is a primary key of table A, B, or C, and we know which" 04:41:56 You mean that the value at a particular column is sum typed, or that you have one of a set of possible sets of columns? 04:42:13 The value at a particular column 04:42:41 and then the query language needs to be able to case on that information obviously 04:43:17 might have been when I was lurking #yesod 04:43:45 coppro: Well, I had most of this conversation in the bug ticket :) 04:44:06 I don't hang out in #yesod, so it wouldn't have been there 04:44:18 I might've mentioned it in #haskell at the time 04:44:27 Cale: What do you think about protobufs? 04:44:44 The interesting thing about them is that they let you change a data type and keep backwards compatibility. 04:44:53 shachaf: I don't know enough about them to have a strong opinion 04:45:03 Which is somewhat in contrast to the Haskell philosophy of having a type be able represent exactly the values you want and no more. 04:45:50 I'm not sure how to reconcile the two. 04:46:16 Cale: I don't think it was you, since it was definitely IRC and many months ago 04:46:23 Cale: the JSON merge-patch spec is actually a great example of JSON null conflation 04:46:33 common usage of JSON treats null weird 04:47:07 <\oren\> we use a sort of typed json at my work. the json is parsed into C++ a struct 04:47:18 coppro: If people want to shoot themselves in the foot by conflating Nothing and Just Nothing, there probably should be a way to do it, but I don't think it should be the default thing 04:47:38 <\oren\> and if it doesn't mathc the layout, it throws a character pointer 04:47:41 coppro: You could also make a newtype for it. 04:48:05 (and put a big warning label on it regarding what happens when you nest them) 04:48:24 Protobufs are certainly a better way to do communication and serialization than JSON for a lot of things. 04:48:25 -!- nisstyre has joined. 04:49:36 <\oren\> i forget where I was going with this 04:51:21 shachaf: In our case, the thing we really need some sort of migration strategies for is with respect to the database (this is the main reason we're using groundhog, which is a library very similar to persistent, and I don't really understand the differences), moreso than the stuff we use JSON for. 04:51:41 We *could* be just using Binary instances :) 04:52:38 It's just nice that when something goes wrong, the browser can show you the JSON and it's somewhat readable, if ugly. 04:52:39 Google's use case for protobufs is approximately everything. 04:52:44 Including RPC, for instance. 04:54:59 Cale: I agree that it shouldn't allowed 04:55:17 I like the idea of forbidding nesting and leaving the instance more than I like the idea of changin gthe instance 04:55:56 because the other instance is usually the correct one 04:56:08 anything else is asking for unnecessary gymnastics on the user's part 04:56:12 coppro: I sort of agree with you from the perspective of "what's most convenient for existing users", but I have half a mind just to fork the entire library to fix the thing :) 05:01:59 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:06:53 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:14:11 [wiki] [[User:Elronnd]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46989 * Elronnd * (+115) Created 05:15:34 -!- mukaiten has joined. 05:16:21 -!- mukaiten has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:21:01 <\oren\> goddamn ksp changing their wheel physics 05:29:53 physics rotation 05:33:27 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:34:16 [wiki] [[User:Elronnd/brainfcuk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46990 * Elronnd * (+2905) First steps 05:39:34 [wiki] [[User:Elronnd/brainfcuk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46991&oldid=46990 * Elronnd * (+32) update 05:41:47 ski: Do you know the type zzo38 calls CodensityAsk? 05:42:30 i haven't seen it 05:43:00 newtype CodensityAsk f a = CodensityAsk { runCodensityAsk :: forall r. f r -> (a -> r) -> r } 05:44:51 ok 05:45:47 zzo38 points out that CodensityAsk ((->) x) = Either x; CodensityAsk (Const x) = ((->) x); CodensityAsk Endo = Writer (Sum Natural); CodensityAsk Finalize = Identity; CodensityAsk Identity = Maybe 05:46:04 Where Finalize = Proxy, I guess. 05:46:55 hm was that the one we discussed adapting the (co?)yoneda lemma to? 05:47:12 in order to show those equivalences 05:47:23 I don't remember that. 05:48:01 hm maybe it was something differnet. 05:48:08 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:48:31 (some typos refuse to be fixed) 05:49:08 maybe you're thinking of dithernet 05:49:16 like ethernet, but with more dithering 05:49:32 nope 05:50:01 i recall (x,x) was represented using Bool 05:51:03 hm i think it was some connection between expressing a functor f in terms of f () 05:51:22 Representable functors? 05:51:26 perhaps 05:52:09 anyway it involved something yonedal 05:54:44 shachaf : 05:55:14 fizzie: Actually I wish Dremel had let. 05:56:45 I assume you're not talking about the Dremel I'm thinking of. 05:56:53 I think I am. 05:57:03 Oh, okay then. 05:57:10 Why? Does it have let? 05:57:17 Not to my knowledge. 05:57:28 Mysterious assumption. 05:57:31 Don't have access to the docs for it, but don't think so. 05:57:43 I assume dumb things all the time. 06:02:04 -!- Shubshub has joined. 06:02:41 Hey everyone 06:02:48 Hello. 06:03:50 arPhttps://www.dremel.com 06:04:09 HTTPS over ARP? 06:04:10 Hmm... https://www.dremel.com 06:04:29 I must have typed something with this window focused 06:04:37 I can't imagine what, though 06:06:27 shachaf : ok ? 06:06:53 I thought it was pretty neat, is all. 06:07:02 It's related to adjunctions somehow, I think. 06:07:39 After all, you know the definition of free objects that goes newtype Thing k a = Thing { runThing :: forall r. k a => (a -> r) -> r } 06:07:49 Cale: how come sql doesn't have let ... in ... 06:08:00 my link was in response to that ^ 06:08:34 Except a class can have laws and a type presumably doesn't. 06:09:05 ski: Yes, I know. 06:09:26 ok 06:10:58 [wiki] [[User:Elronnd/brainfcuk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46992&oldid=46991 * Elronnd * (+1688) file handling 06:31:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:35:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:04:16 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:08:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:29:23 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:37:22 -!- Shubshub has quit (Quit: On the other hand, you have different fingers.). 07:48:44 whew 07:51:19 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:53:00 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:12:41 b_jonas: ? 08:25:32 fungot: Will you, yourself, bring an end to all? 08:25:33 fizzie: i was just dropping by and told the message about increasing the stack size a while ago back when we were playing around with variable allocation to attempt to solve impossible problems 08:26:05 Well, I'm guessing that's as good an approach as any to solve impossible problems. 08:27:37 -!- zadock has joined. 08:34:23 fungot: hungot 08:34:23 shachaf: but if another program will halt or not 08:34:46 fungot: you just worry about yourself halting or not. let us worry about other programs. 08:34:46 shachaf: maybe so that the c literature doesn't use that many scheme primitives, only, max and make-string. 08:39:44 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:50:48 fungot: Do you have a halting oracle? 08:50:49 fizzie: i could allocate esoapi a fnord of a 08:58:13 ^style ct 08:58:13 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 08:58:31 fungot: what about using a sword? 08:58:32 oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! 08:59:03 fungot: well sort of evil. 08:59:03 oerjan: as long as you keep crono in your heart, the day of lavos"... go to " leene square" 1000 a.d.? yes, i'd have done something very brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope. 08:59:27 fungot: peace would be nice. 08:59:27 oerjan: your majesty! and queen. he and a friend left on a journey 10, then magic damage will be reduced by 10%. a star after any characteristic means it's at maximum strength! no matter what the price! it is, you idiot! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's t 08:59:56 fungot: ah. better to drop the sword, then. 08:59:56 oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! 09:00:02 ^style irc 09:00:02 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 09:02:03 indeed! this thing. 09:14:40 ^style calvinandhobbes 09:14:40 Not found. 09:17:36 ^style 09:17:36 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 09:32:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:47:48 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:00:03 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 10:21:11 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 10:38:55 what's the closest alternative to google code search? 10:39:57 izabera: rsc had a standalone version of google code search I think? 10:40:03 but only for *your* code. 10:41:52 but i want other people's code 10:42:02 really 10:42:57 reading that imagemagick thing made me wonder how many projects call system() without proper input sanitization 10:43:03 github search? 10:43:12 that's not good enough :( 10:43:14 no regex, unfortunately 10:48:18 ImageMagick thing? 10:49:01 imagemagick is stupid and it calls system(something) with user input in it 10:49:14 I mean, I'd believe it 10:49:17 https://imagetragick.com/ 10:50:44 OK 10:51:02 I'm glad that this doesn't (directly) affect me 11:03:22 -!- ybden has joined. 11:05:40 -!- tromp_ has joined. 11:10:01 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:33:48 -!- boily has joined. 11:35:53 `wisdom 11:36:54 snow//Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targeryan. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it. 11:38:43 -!- earendel has joined. 11:38:54 -!- earendel has quit (Changing host). 11:38:54 -!- earendel has joined. 11:42:14 `? styofoam 11:42:17 styofoam? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:42:25 `? styrofoam 11:42:27 styrofoam? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:42:46 `? foam 11:42:47 `learn styrofoam is Taneb's only weakness. 11:42:48 foam? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:42:58 Learned 'styrofoam': styrofoam is Taneb's only weakness. 11:46:19 https://i.imgur.com/wAI1Jwm.jpg 11:47:48 izabera, from a certain point of view, that's very logical, although symptomatic of skewed priorities 11:49:15 Tanelle. the sound, the smell, the touch of it makes you feel wrong? 11:49:16 There's grepcode.com, but it's only for Java stuff. 11:50:45 boily, the sound, mostly 11:50:53 The touch, too, to a lesser extent 11:51:23 If I buy something in styrofoam, I have to get someone else to unpack it while I'm in a different room 11:59:34 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:02:05 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 12:18:51 -!- boily has quit (Quit: REALPOLITIK CHICKEN). 12:34:05 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:06:08 `? top hat 13:06:10 `? high hat 13:06:13 `? hi-hat 13:06:21 `? up hat 13:06:23 `? hi hat 13:06:25 `? top quark 13:06:29 `? up quark 13:07:10 wakey wakey, HackEgo 13:07:23 kernel:[957239.928577] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 21s! [nginx:632] 13:07:43 `reboot 13:08:18 No output. 13:08:27 There's 61 umlbox processes all fighting for CPU time. 13:08:46 No output. 13:08:48 top hat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:08:49 No output. 13:08:49 hi hat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:08:49 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: reboot: not found 13:08:50 No output. 13:08:51 up quark? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:08:52 maybe it's a hard disk failure or a disk hard failure?? 13:09:18 `? high hat 13:09:19 high hat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:09:25 `? hi-hat 13:09:26 hi-hat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:09:30 `? up hat 13:09:32 up hat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:09:41 `? top quark 13:09:42 top quark? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:10:02 Not having much luck there. 13:10:41 `slashlearn high hat/A high hat is the same as a top hat, not the same as a hi-hat, just like how a top quark is not the same as an up quark. 13:10:44 Learned «high hat» 13:13:58 `? orkut 13:13:59 orkut? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:14:00 `? myspace 13:14:01 myspace? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:14:13 `? os/2 13:14:15 os/2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:14:17 `? os2 13:14:18 os2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:22:57 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:25:50 -!- ^v has joined. 13:52:29 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:52:40 -!- vanila has joined. 13:52:41 helo 13:57:09 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:15:56 `? vms 14:15:58 vms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:16:09 `? plan9 14:16:10 plan9? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:16:11 `? plan-9 14:16:13 `? plan 9 14:16:13 plan-9? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:16:14 plan 9? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:16:39 `? hurd 14:16:41 hurd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:16:52 there should be something in there about those operating systems 14:17:06 why 14:21:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:21:06 Some kind of bitcoin inspired capture the flag programming game http://hackcha.in/ 14:42:27 . o O ( does it hurd when I say this? ) 14:44:39 -!- jaboja has joined. 14:46:01 `learn Plan9 is the precursor to Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. 14:46:09 Learned 'plan9': Plan9 is the precursor to Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. 14:46:15 (all true) 14:47:03 hmm, let's tweak it a bit. 14:47:11 `learn Plan9 is the precursor to Dante's Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. 14:47:16 Relearned 'plan9': Plan9 is the precursor to Dante's Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. 14:49:21 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:51:48 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:53:14 wtf, so in C, the "%n" conversion takes type modifiers like "%zn" or "%hhn"? 14:56:08 lol 14:56:14 %n is absolute ridiculous 14:57:12 I guess worse is just the fact format strings need not be statically known 15:01:23 no, %n is totally useful. but %hhn is ridiculous. why is that even allowed? 15:02:06 when is %n useful 15:03:43 vanila: when I want to test if a sscanf match is successful, or consumed all of a string. for the former, it's easier to use than the return value of sscanf, because you don't have to count format entries in the pattern when writing the source code. for the latter, it's absolutely necessary. 15:04:19 ah thats a nice techinique, i was only thinking about printf 15:04:35 yes, for printf it's not very useful 15:04:41 -!- jaboja has joined. 15:06:33 I've been trying to contrive a use for %hhn, but so far I have nothing 15:06:52 prooftechnique: you can probably find some eso-use 15:06:58 Maybe some kind of cipher? 15:07:39 I'm just trying to imagine what the motivation was for having it in printf 15:08:05 Someone must have used it for *something* 15:08:35 prooftechnique: I think it's just so that sscanf handles writing integers uniformly, converting them to the right integer type regardless if the conversion is any of diouxXn 15:08:50 the rules would have been uglier otherwise 15:09:06 Yeah, I guess that fits. 15:09:07 and then in sprintf, it would be strange to disallow it if sscanf allows it 15:35:04 %n is useful for exploiting C programs that give input strings directly to pritnf 15:48:27 -!- spiette has joined. 15:53:52 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:55:55 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Rebooting into new kernel). 15:57:54 -!- FreeFull has joined. 15:58:13 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:08:31 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:24:27 You kinda-sorta can use %n with sprintf to save one extra strlen call, if you, say, print a number, and need to know how long it was. 16:25:53 Hmm, that's a thought 16:28:28 Well, okay, you get *that* via the return value as well. But maybe you might conceivably need to know the lengths of some substrings. 16:33:38 -!- nycs has joined. 16:34:31 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:44:45 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:50:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:21:25 no. because bots don't understand proper wiki formatting, nearly all have strange but obvious things like
instead of newlines 17:21:39 you do need to do
to do single-line breaks in mediawiki 18:04:40 -!- vanila has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:07:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:08:17 I think we could triple the topic's entertainingness by allowing "people" to be replaced with some other demonym (not sure what limiting condition to use yet) and "cloaks" to be other sorts of normal word-turned-tech word 18:09:08 folkses with cloakses 18:09:14 Example: Note: reptilian overlords with will be treated as if they're from Saint Petersburg (not Saint Petersburg) 18:13:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | Note: reptilian armada commanders with cookies will be treated as if they're from Saint Petersburg (not Saint Petersburg). 18:13:12 Just going to see if that sticks 18:13:28 (See #esoteric:Be Bold in editing the topic) 18:15:02 ^style 18:15:03 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 18:15:12 ^style lovecraft 18:15:12 Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) 18:15:21 fungot: Lovely weather we're having 18:15:21 hppavilion[1]: published fnord 1922 in home brew vol. 1, p. fnord vol. 17, no. 1 ( march 1936), p. fnord. 18:15:38 dammit, fungot. That didn't work 18:15:39 hppavilion[1]: " the flame the flame beyond body, beyond life in the boy, with imagination as his one avenue of freedom. he had, he declared, studies of much more vital importance to pursue; and intimated a wish to look out over the waters to the white ship 18:15:58 That was a little better 18:16:40 ^style darwin 18:16:40 Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) 18:16:45 Oooh 18:16:51 fungot: Lovely evolution we're having 18:16:52 hppavilion[1]:/ offspring :) a single race, that :)/ fish to such a degree as before. i have heard it stated that they are anywhere lined by reefs; except in a very southerly course,/ whole, i.e. about/ rattle-snake, look to some special conditions :) life must play a most important fnord it might be a great kindness, and return them in hopes :) receiving another, it was tender when first introduced to a new edition :) ( youatt 18:16:57 ... 18:17:05 Darwin used a lot of smiley faces. 18:17:36 ^style darwin+lovecraft 18:17:36 Not found. 18:17:37 ... 18:17:52 fizzie: Fungot does not support compound styles. i iz sad. 18:18:38 what would that even mean 18:19:02 (I would recommend a|b makes it choose between styles a and b for the entire message, and a&b would juxtapose the styles) 18:20:23 int-e: It would take the "product" of the two styles (calculating by multiplying the frequencies of each word, with 0 equaling 1 so that words only used by 1 don't get thrown away), allowing it to sound a little darwin and a little lovecraft 18:21:08 int-e: Thus, you might get Darwin talking about the evolution of cthulhu 18:21:16 (well, not really, but you get the picture) 18:21:30 ^help 18:21:30 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 18:21:38 ^style help 18:21:38 Not found. 18:22:51 @tell fizzie fungot lacks support for compound styles (e.g. darwin&lovecraft), which gives me sads. 18:22:51 Consider it noted. 18:22:52 hppavilion[1]: from/ facts above given and from/ honour so gained it might ultimately have become/ universal habit. according to parmentier " 5? 13. sir archibald geikie as having long been :( a subject :) which you have now fnord, fnord 18:36:54 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 18:40:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:43:29 hppavilion[2], hmm, i don't think that'd work with a markov chain 18:43:59 Phantom_Hoover: LIES 18:44:44 -!- MDude has joined. 18:46:06 -!- EggBot has joined. 18:46:06 -!- EggBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:46:44 Yay! 18:46:47 It's beginning to work! 18:46:50 -!- EggBot has joined. 18:47:24 -!- EggBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:47:40 -!- EggBot has joined. 18:47:48 Yay! 18:52:31 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 18:52:57 Interpolating between n-gram models is certainly possible, but I don't think I feel like actually implementing that in Befunge. 18:53:12 Especially given how the current code is. 18:53:22 fizzie: You clearly have lost the spirit for #esoteric. Sorry to see you go. 18:55:22 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:55:30 The code's rather intertwined with the binary file formats. For example, the n-grams are stored (and sampled from) in terms of numeric "tokens", which are mapped back to words only at a very late stage (once the entire sentence has been constructed), and the token-to-text mappings are entirely separate for each style. 18:56:19 There's no way for it to know that 1235 of the irc style is the same word as 724 of some other style, for example. 18:56:37 I could precompute some mixed styles, but that's so brute-force. 18:57:42 fizzie: Oh :/ 18:57:53 fizzie: Should've used hashing. 18:58:27 -!- jaboja has joined. 18:59:06 Then the numbers wouldn't have been contiguous. 18:59:17 (And they're used directly as the file offsets.) 18:59:30 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:05:21 `random-card 19:05:22 `random-card 19:06:02 Hollowhenge Beast \ 3GG \ Creature -- Beast \ 5/5 \ DKA-C 19:06:02 Debt of Loyalty \ 1WW \ Instant \ Regenerate target creature. You gain control of that creature if it regenerates this way. \ WL-R 19:07:12 `words --finnish --english 20 19:07:22 Unknown option: english 19:07:27 Aw. 19:07:31 It was something else. 19:07:32 `words -l 19:07:34 valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M 19:07:38 `words --finnish --eng-1M 20 19:08:09 alairali polkismal irrettama fundamentänsä ticotilitsentärkt ahaaso prcv ilonitschcl vercla imattin ait boot luche thinfini muristor ching notkikolly sannerastisaa hypähän geofyl 19:09:22 `recipe 19:09:24 ​-- solid halves \ 2 tb Dijon mustard \ \ In small bowl, stirring to decorate, about 4 minutes. \ \ Remove from pan or until it gets roll is cooked. Drain beans; spread one egg \ yolks in a large bowl. Pour off fruit slices. Make a slices of the sauces, \ and white replacer pieces from liquid. \ \ Recipe By : ISBN 315-786-1120 \ \ M 19:09:34 `recipe 19:09:35 ​/3 c Unsweetened cocoa \ 2 lb Boneless chicken \ -pepper; seeded \ 2 tb Sour cream or flour \ 1/4 ts Dried parsley \ 1/2 ts Baking soda \ 1/2 ts Cayenne pepper \ \ Cut onion and frozen into provide peach over tops of liquid. Mix cornmeal, syrup, \ pepper and chopped parsley. Makes 3 cups. Parchmenchic, \ Date: More excecked \ fat 199 19:10:45 `random-card 19:10:47 Yavimaya Ancients \ 3GG \ Creature -- Treefolk \ 2/7 \ {G}: Yavimaya Ancients gets +1/-2 until end of turn. \ AI-C, ME2-U 19:11:14 `random-card 19:11:18 Cryptic Cruiser \ 3U \ Creature -- Eldrazi Processor \ 3/3 \ Devoid (This card has no color.) \ {2}{U}, Put a card an opponent owns from exile into that player's graveyard: Tap target creature. \ BFZ-U 19:11:34 `random-card BBB$ 19:11:36 Necropotence \ BBB \ Enchantment \ Skip your draw step. \ Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard. \ Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step. \ IA-R, 5E-R, VMA-R, ME2-R, V09-M 19:12:00 `random-card WUBRG 19:12:01 Coalition Victory \ 3WUBRG \ Sorcery \ You win the game if you control a land of each basic land type and a creature of each color. \ IN-R, TSP-S 19:12:28 `random-card UNH 19:12:30 Loyal Cathar \ WW \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 2/2 \ Vigilance \ When Loyal Cathar dies, return it to the battlefield transformed under your control at the beginning of the next end step. \ [Front face. Transforms into Unhallowed Cathar.] \ DKA-C 19:12:43 `random-card UNH- 19:12:45 Cheap Ass \ 1W \ Creature -- Donkey Townsfolk \ 1/3½ \ Spells you play cost {½} less to play. \ UNH-C 19:12:45 -!- EggBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:12:53 Dammit 19:12:54 `random-card UNH- 19:12:55 Graphic Violence \ 2G \ Instant \ All creatures by the artist of your choice get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn. \ UNH-C 19:13:00 -!- Caesura has joined. 19:13:11 shachaf: You crashed eggbot xD 19:13:16 shachaf: it's case-insensitive by default but can be case-sensitive with (?i) 19:13:26 `random-card comes into play 19:13:28 Charm School \ 2W \ Enchant Player \ When Charm School comes into play, choose a color and balance Charm School on your head. \ Prevent all damage to you of the chosen color. \ If Charm School falls off your head, sacrifice Charm School. \ UG-U 19:13:54 `random-card - [0-9]$ 19:13:56 Deep Reconnaissance \ 2G \ Sorcery \ Search your library for a basic land card and put that card onto the battlefield tapped. Then shuffle your library. \ Flashback {4}{G} (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.) \ OD-U 19:14:16 `random-card \- [0-9]$ 19:14:19 No output. 19:14:30 `random-card ular 19:14:32 Gerrard's Irregulars \ 4R \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 4/2 \ Trample, haste \ MM-C 19:14:35 `random-card ular 19:14:37 Battle Mastery \ 2W \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Enchanted creature has double strike. (It deals both first-strike and regular combat damage.) \ LRW-U, M15-U, DTK-U, DDL-U 19:14:49 `random-card dular 19:14:52 Arcbound Reclaimer \ 4 \ Artifact Creature -- Golem \ 0/0 \ Remove a +1/+1 counter from Arcbound Reclaimer: Put target artifact card from your graveyard on top of your library. \ Modular 2 (This enters the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it. 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It's not done yet 19:19:51 sure but, I still have to try 19:46:03 -!- EggBot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:46:28 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:51:50 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 19:59:50 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: gtg). 20:32:09 -!- shikhin has changed nick to shikhincat. 20:32:39 -!- shikhincat has changed nick to shikhin. 20:33:22 -!- ybden has changed nick to neither. 20:33:32 -!- neither has changed nick to either. 20:33:36 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:33:47 -!- either has changed nick to ybden. 20:42:14 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:43:13 For some reason 20:43:35 I'm translating Romeo and Juliet into a highly exaggerated version of gamerspeak in a Garry's Mode chat log 20:43:48 (With a friend. For an assignment. At school. That I plan to turn in.) 20:43:57 At one point, this line appears: 20:44:09 [S4MP50N Quickscopes a Tromp Rat npc from the "1337 5p4ce F1gh75 M0d" mod] 20:44:15 I don't know why I made that joke 20:44:49 Some sort of hybrid between a Star Wars reference, some xkcd jokes, and a reference that no one will ever get to this specific channel 20:47:50 ("tromp rat") 20:48:20 -!- Akaibu has joined. 20:48:21 (no one will ever get the reference; they'll just think it's a slightly-off-brand rename from "womp rat") 21:02:22 I didn't get home in time to see the first Eurovision semi-final live. :/ 21:18:34 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:34:36 -!- nycs has quit (Read error: No route to host). 21:35:22 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:35:39 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)). 21:35:54 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 22:05:31 -!- Moon_ has joined. 22:06:00 Hi 22:07:26 N1:1:aa;Naa:2:aa;$o=aa 22:14:32 [wiki] [[User talk:Moon]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46993 * Moon * (+59) /* Bug reporting */ new section 22:26:31 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 22:27:29 whats the stub code? 22:27:37 for making a article a stub? 22:30:48 I'm going to guess {{Template:Stub}}, but maybe somebody could confirm. 22:31:02 (Or just look at an existing stub article for reference.) 22:31:18 [wiki] [[N--]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46994 * Moon * (+438) Created page with "N-- is a 3 instruction minimalistic variable based language, it has three commands. * N: Nand, format: Ninput1:input2:outputvar; * =: Set variable, format: var=varnumorchar;..." 22:31:49 Oh, it's just {{stub}} as well. 22:32:02 I guess maybe template transclusion picks from the template namespace by default? Who knows. 22:32:11 you told me too late lol, i hit the wrong button anyways 22:32:19 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46995&oldid=46994 * Moon * (+9) 22:32:20 i love how we can't use any standard mediawiki infrastructure because the wiki is public domain 22:32:52 all of that infrastructure is CC? 22:33:29 N1:1:aa;Naa:2:aa;$o=aa does a thing, what it does i dunno, as i havent make a intepreter yet 22:35:12 what lang is it? 22:35:19 quintopia, you mean on the esolang wiki or? 22:35:57 the standard infrastructure you referenced 22:36:49 N-- 22:36:56 The one i just published :P 22:37:37 wikipedia's CC licence does not allow you to relicense to PD 22:37:46 obviously, because otherwise it'd just be a PD licence 22:38:35 thats what i was asking. ifvall that stuff was CC 22:39:07 its hard to know what is PD and what is not 22:39:20 i assume it is, because it's under the standard wikipedia licence 22:39:55 PD? 22:39:59 Oh, public domain 22:40:01 Duh 22:40:08 Police department. 22:40:23 Pooch Department 22:40:48 Posh detergent. 22:41:16 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46996&oldid=46995 * Moon * (+97) Hello, world! example, i forgot it 22:41:51 Phantom_Hoover: Would it work to get whoever runs the wiki to allow a license exemption where "Most of the wiki is public domain, but specially-marked areas are CC"? 22:41:59 Thus allowing us to use mediawiki infrastructure? 22:42:09 you'd need every contributor to relicense it 22:42:14 Phantom_Hoover: ? 22:42:27 Phantom_Hoover: No, our wiki 22:42:34 ah ok 22:42:47 Phantom_Hoover: Who would have the power to do such a thing? 22:42:52 maybe. we've gotten by OK as it is, i just find it kind of amusing 22:43:20 hppavilion[2]: that would make the wiki less esoteric 22:43:22 Does using MediaWiki force all the content to be under CC? 22:43:51 Or is it that the wiki itself is also meant to be PD? 22:43:52 mediawiki does not care about content licensing 22:43:58 wikimedia does 22:44:50 All right, so same question mutatis mutandis 22:44:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:48:21 quintopia there you go: N1:1:aa;Naa:2:aa;$o=aa + N-- specs = program 22:53:01 hi, int-e. i shaved off a few more bits 22:53:26 From what? 22:53:36 from the laver tables:( 22:54:04 https://github.com/tromp/AIT/blob/master/laver.lam 22:54:19 lamver tables 22:55:10 Does BLC turn recursion into an inline Y combinator? 22:55:15 yes 22:57:01 -!- tromp_ has joined. 22:57:25 see lines 57-62 of Lambda.lhs 22:57:36 Yes, I found it. 22:57:43 Does the compiler do all sorts of optimizations? 22:57:57 some sorts. see optimize function in AIT.lhs 22:58:50 Does it beta-reduce fix? 22:59:12 sure, if it reduces size 22:59:34 so not fix itself, but application of fix 22:59:41 Right. 22:59:55 -!- centrinia has joined. 23:00:05 there's a lot more optimization it could do 23:00:41 like eta reduction 23:00:41 I see what it does. 23:00:55 Hmm, is BLC non-strict? 23:01:09 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:01:22 yes 23:02:06 the Haskell implementation is as lazy as Haskell itself 23:02:25 the obfuscated interpreter is call-by-need 23:02:45 in the interest of saving many bytes:) 23:06:21 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:11:20 Hmm, so when you name an expression in a BLC program, does it just get inlined in every place it's used? 23:11:37 Or does it make a lambda and apply it to an argument? 23:12:03 the second, but if only used once, a beta reduction will be applied to give the first 23:12:41 Even if it's not the first argument? 23:12:53 sure 23:13:00 wait 23:13:50 it will be the first argument of some expr then 23:14:24 since a let defining 3 names will compile to 3 applications 23:14:29 Sure, but that expression might be an application and not a lambda. 23:14:59 I mean something like ((\x -> (\y -> ...x...x...y...x...x...)) many) one 23:16:37 parentheses wrong? you mean y binds to many? 23:16:51 tromp: "save two bits" can't be right... it works for a = 0 and a = 1, and somewhat amazingly for a = 2 as well, but for a = 3 and b = 1 it gives 0 instead of 2 as its answer. 23:17:29 No, x binds to many. 23:17:47 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:17:54 Since there are many occurrences of x and one of y. 23:18:11 hmm, then one is not substituted for y 23:18:23 let me check that, int-e 23:18:28 tromp: laver (\f\x. f (f (f x))) (\f\x. f (f (f x))) (\f\x. f x) 23:19:05 Then do you order the lambdas in let-in to put the ones that are likely to be reduced first? 23:19:20 tromp: (that should be 2) 23:19:53 oh, I'm testing with argument order mx, a, b. 23:21:29 aha 23:22:06 we do not re-order the lambdas from a let 23:25:07 (the reason that a = 2 works is because 2 |> _ is idempotent. 3 |> _ is not idempotent; 3 |> 1 is 2, but 3 |> (3 |> (3 |> 1)) is 0) 23:27:25 ah yes, i see the problem 23:29:34 now how do i revert back to the last good commit? 23:30:37 (git newbie here) 23:30:51 something like git checkout 796e4fe368bd82800f011cec49e7f201b2f1e49f laver.lam 23:31:28 (git diff --cached will show that this actually had an effect... git diff won't) 23:31:28 Or git revert. 23:32:01 ah, I've never used git revert with mre than one commit... 23:32:22 You can give it a range, it looks like. 23:33:43 anyway it's not nicely applicable here because one of the commits touches two files... one of which is now gone... 23:34:06 that's ok, i'll re-commit the older checkout 23:35:59 back to 215 bits 23:36:32 and revert would produce two commits ... which could then be smashed with rebase... the checkout was simpler :) 23:37:00 revert -n 23:37:39 thanks, that would do the trick 23:39:12 (there would still be an awkward conflict to resolve though) 23:40:07 but for teaching purposes, I agree that's what I should've suggested :P 23:40:16 Sure. 23:40:26 It's all fine. 23:40:47 git is TG 23:41:40 Transcendentally groovy. 23:42:47 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 23:46:44 transcendtal e groove e 23:48:36 tromp: Oh, but your let definitions are ordered. 23:52:00 yes, manually 23:52:40 so writing them in a different order might help optimization 23:53:37 hmm, wait. your example may not fit the let expansion pattern 23:54:29 in expanded let every name is available for reducing 23:57:25 feel free to upvote at http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/79620/laver-table-computations-and-an-algorithm-that-is-not-known-to-terminate-in-zfc :) 23:58:26 Is there a traditional variant on glob that's suitable for configuring /output/ in substitutions? Like, a glob4s/// of some sort 23:58:54 traditional globs are pretty limited 2016-05-11: 00:00:25 or is it your perception that's limited 00:00:41 four simultaneous expansions in a single rotation of the glob 00:03:30 Phantom_Hoover: Yes 00:03:52 rm -rf /* is IDIOT LIES 00:04:16 Phantom_Hoover: It would match glob or some extension thereof, and it would replace the matched globbiness with something else. I'm asking if there's a common syntax for that something else. 00:04:21 If there isn't, I have work to do 00:05:01 Phantom_Hoover: I don't want a more powerful glob, I want to reapply glob to other domains of use 00:05:59 you asked me what traditional variants on globs can do and i told you, not much! 00:06:29 Phantom_Hoover: Ah 00:08:38 tromp: I guess your encoding isn't what I wrote. 00:09:24 You do (\x -> (\y -> ...x...y...) yexpr) xexpr 00:09:35 Which makes a lot more snese in retrospect. 00:09:59 it doesn't make snes to me 00:10:15 I meant famicom, of course. 00:14:25 it makes zero famicom to me: i cant lambda 00:20:20 right; shachaf; your example cannot result from let expansion 00:20:57 Fair enough. 00:28:55 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46997&oldid=46996 * Moon * (+16) 00:32:59 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:33:23 -!- centrinia has joined. 00:48:57 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:54:53 -!- APic has joined. 01:03:16 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:22:31 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:23:22 Anyone wana try writeing something in N--? 01:24:32 where's the N-- tutorial? 01:25:45 Its a stub still: http://esolangs.org/wiki/N-- 01:25:54 Unqiue language i beleive 01:28:04 Like the concept tromp? 01:28:14 sorry, not really:( 01:28:23 Oh 01:28:26 I like it :P 01:28:35 Because Nand is universal 01:28:36 enough to write an interpreter for it? 01:28:43 No 01:28:52 Im going to make a intepreter later 01:29:19 a language should be able to handle input:) 01:29:25 Eh true 01:29:30 I might change that 01:29:36 But the timing would have to be good 01:29:45 as io would be single char buffers 01:29:52 what is nand 'H' 'e' ? 01:30:28 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46998&oldid=46997 * Moon * (+41) 01:30:41 your sample is no good at demonstrating all your language features 01:30:50 Its a hello world :P 01:31:03 im gonna make more 01:32:26 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/GaRJMCpoVFg 01:32:33 Naa:ab:acNac:1:ad is a and gate 01:32:55 aa and ab are input, ad is out 01:33:00 ac is intermediate 01:34:11 N-- is more of a hardware description language than a programming language:) 01:34:33 Lol true 01:34:39 But it is designed to be intepreted 01:35:04 Making it Esoteric :P 01:38:13 it's somewhat lacking in elegance thought:( 01:38:17 though 01:38:27 to put it mildly:) 01:39:01 i was aiming for uniqueness in this case 01:47:34 hi 01:49:19 Hia quin, im writing an intepreter for N-- 01:49:26 oh good 01:49:49 next you could write a N-- to Purple compiler ;) 01:50:36 ? 01:50:57 Bit hard :P 01:51:11 N-- is based on universal logic gates, jumps, and variables 01:51:12 thats it 01:51:13 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 01:51:16 hia hppa 01:51:25 Im making a interpreter for N-- 01:51:30 Purple is based on decrementation and assignment 01:51:34 both are turing-complete 01:51:41 should be possible to translate between 01:52:31 I dont think N-- is turing complete, it cant do turing tapes 01:52:43 due to a max of 676 (aa to zz) variables 01:53:00 A bf inplentation would use most of them 01:53:40 it can store arbitrarily large numbers though 01:53:46 my concern is that it can't do unbounded addition 01:53:54 i dont know. 01:54:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:54:02 your only operator is nand 01:54:08 Mhm 01:54:17 Nand is a universal logic gate 01:54:21 so you have no way to set any bit higher than the highest bit set by any constant assignment 01:54:48 not in this context 01:55:06 you can never Nand the first bit of one variable with the second, say, of another 01:55:45 n-- may be useless but its intresting 01:56:26 I think it would be TC if you added a "left-shift 1" or "increment by 1" operator 01:56:43 Ah, kk 01:57:00 Think about it and i may add it :P 01:57:35 the finite number of variables does not prevent a language from being TC as long as they can have unbounded value 01:57:45 BF, for instance, needs only 3 cells to be TC 01:57:48 I will probs to left shift and make nand operate on one set of two bits (the first ones) at a time, is that TC? 01:58:11 you'd have to be more specific 01:58:55 Like take two 4 bit values: 1010 and 0101, Lshift them and nand, and only the bits currently in first would be operated on if a condition is set 01:59:25 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Excess flood). 01:59:28 I don't follow... 01:59:48 left shift them both, then NAND? 01:59:58 what do you mean "only the bits currently in first"? 02:00:11 The first bit of each value 02:00:28 so like the result in that case would be 10000? 02:00:41 intuitively I suspect that isn't enough for TC. But I'm not sure! 02:00:44 No, a new variable would be changed 02:00:53 The third operator for nand 02:01:02 operand, you mean? 02:01:06 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 02:01:08 Yea, :P 02:01:09 anyway, you should try to prove your language TC on your own 02:01:11 it's a good exercise 02:01:30 kk 02:01:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:03:17 does C have bitsets? 02:03:49 no 02:03:49 Nope 02:03:52 KK then 02:03:57 Time to write a alternative 02:04:00 C++ does 02:04:04 Moon_: a$b 02:08:11 what hppavilion[2]? 02:08:28 Moon_: $ is mingle. Though you might find it interesting. 02:08:42 * Moon_ doesnt get it 02:09:13 Moon_: INTERCAL 02:09:41 oh 02:10:26 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46999&oldid=46998 * Moon * (+198) Major modifications to the specifications 02:13:24 gnight 02:14:16 you can be TC with just 2 instructions, ri++, and ri--,jump 02:17:59 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:19:37 tromp: ri++ needs to have a target; you need at least two registers to point at 02:20:16 yeah, ++ has one target, -- has two 02:20:40 but each instr only refers to one reg 02:21:03 [wiki] [[Piet]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47000&oldid=46786 * Timwi * (-73) /* Computational class */ 02:21:55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-machine_model#1961:_Minsky.27s_model_of_a_partial_recursive_function_reduced_to_a_.22program.22_of_only_two_instructions 02:27:25 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:42:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:47:36 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 02:48:00 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:52:11 @tell phantom_hoover you do need to do
to do single-line breaks in mediawiki <-- yes but you don't use _only_
s. 02:52:11 Consider it noted. 02:52:31 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:55:12 -!- variable has joined. 03:01:41 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 03:01:44 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:02:00 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b *!earendel@unaffiliated/earendel. 03:02:09 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b *!earendel@*. 03:02:17 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 03:04:50 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to constant. 03:04:58 -!- constant has changed nick to Elronnd. 03:05:02 There's 61 umlbox processes all fighting for CPU time. <-- maybe that'll teach b_jonas not to spam it hth 03:05:10 Elronnd: wat 03:05:31 -!- variable has changed nick to constant. 03:05:57 the world is constantly changing. 03:06:40 oerjan: thing from a different channel 03:07:19 `? #esoteric 03:08:05 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it's slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 03:08:18 Elronnd: i'm sorry but that's heretical, see above 03:08:58 * oerjan practices waving his cane ======O 03:09:14 wait, is that the wrong end 03:09:15 oerjan: okay, I did it for my own personal edification 03:09:45 oerjan: i recommend either s/After/Now that/ or s/'s/ became/ hth 03:10:26 Oh, the "centröid" thing was about boily's question. 03:10:38 @tell boily you haven't asked people about their whereabouts in quite a while 03:10:38 Consider it noted. 03:11:46 `` sed -i "s/'s/ became/" wisdom/#esoteric 03:12:03 No output. 03:12:16 i feel that monqy has been gone too long for a "Now that" 03:12:28 `? #esoteric 03:12:30 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 03:12:33 Nowadays, in monqy's absence, 03:12:43 he didnt even appear this night 03:13:21 indeed, i'm still stuck on m 03:13:44 I should make norwoerjan porridge. 03:13:56 I don't remember the ingredients. Was rice involved? 03:14:02 Sour cream? Milk? Cinnamon? Raisins? 03:15:57 not all at the same time, you are mixing two different types. 03:16:10 which was the type you recommended 03:16:28 skip the sour cream and the rest is good. 03:16:48 But I like sour cream. 03:16:49 also add some sprinkled sugar. 03:16:55 What kind of sugar? 03:17:21 I guess I can follow http://thecountrybasket.com/risengrot-riskrem-recipe/ ? 03:17:29 in that case skip the rice, cinnamon (maybe? i'm a bit vague there) and raisins, but still add sugar. 03:18:03 that's with rice. 03:18:15 you don't mix rice and sour cream, that i know of. 03:18:20 Do you use vanilla powder? 03:19:14 shachaf: hm it's not standard but i'm not sure that it would hurt 03:19:24 That's what that link says. 03:19:44 This is sounding a lot like a rice pudding. 03:19:46 But apparently it's hard to get outside of Norway. 03:19:56 ah yes, that picture also has the traditional red juice. 03:20:02 Ah, that's exactly because it is. 03:20:30 Red juice? 03:20:36 Is that made from the blood of your enemies? 03:21:01 shachaf: e.g. raspberries, very devious little monsters 03:21:28 `? oerjan 03:21:30 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 03:21:38 i'm not exactly sure of the proper form of red juice. there are brands... 03:22:20 -!- MDude has joined. 03:24:02 `learn Raspberries are oerjan's mortal enemy. 03:24:06 Learned 'raspberrie': Raspberries are oerjan's mortal enemy. 03:24:11 blue longonblackraspboysenberry sauce 03:24:25 oop 03:24:37 blue lingonblackraspboysenberry sauce 03:24:40 oerjan: wow, that wisdom entry name is kind of scow 03:24:46 it's a pity you're retired, isn't it 03:24:49 no one will fix it now 03:25:26 `rm wisdom/raspberrie 03:25:30 No output. 03:25:35 it's a blatant lie, anyway. 03:26:16 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:27:24 * oerjan disagrees with the claim riskrem is only used for christmas and new year. 03:28:02 those are the riskiest times of the year, though 03:28:08 you need all the riskrem you can get 03:28:10 pikhq: note that that page talks about two different dishes, one of which is a prestage to the other. 03:28:46 shachaf: deeply true, that. 03:31:00 `? canaima 03:31:04 Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here. 03:31:13 oerjan: a canaiman joined and parted another channel i'm in 03:31:16 v. mysterious 03:31:35 v. 03:31:47 hmm, i didn't intend "canaiman" to imply a gender 03:32:11 shachaf: oh i note the advice about heavy bottom. that's important, and also to stir enough. otherwise it burns easily. 03:32:51 i didn't interpret it to, hth 03:33:19 can ai man save the world? tune in next week to find out 03:34:16 hmm. i read it as "a person from canaim" 03:34:53 i,ii we're canaimaniacs 03:34:55 hm an hour. back when i actually made this stuff i used a quicker rice brand that only takes 1/4 hour or so. but i guess that might be hard to get outside norway too. 03:35:12 and probably not as good, anyway. 03:35:39 canaima is actually a geographical place name, too 03:35:41 perhaps i should go to norway and try the famous tronheimanian pizza 03:35:51 ...OKAY 03:36:01 trondheimanian 03:36:01 we call it rice dream. it dont have milk 03:40:25 -!- Naraka has joined. 03:43:58 -!- jaboja has joined. 03:44:53 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:45:14 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:53:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 04:03:40 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:05:06 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/5-l0K9Dp7eI 04:05:31 <\oren\> ᴴᴰ【東方Vocal】Halozy｜Say Hello To Me【Vo. 長尾ちえみ 】 04:05:31 <\oren\> 2016ᴴᴰJxL Subtitles 04:05:32 <\oren\> 2016ᴴᴰJxL Subtitles 04:07:14 <\oren\> I like his use of ᴴᴰ 04:11:01 [wiki] [[Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47001&oldid=41482 * 94.223.139.176 * (-4) /* Interpreter */ I'm pretty sure this is what was meant 04:13:34 @tell hppavilion[1] I think we could triple the topic's entertainingness [...] <-- itym overdo it to the point where i lose interest hth 04:13:34 Consider it noted. 04:15:18 it's already overdone hth 04:16:40 shachaf: well he _did_ implement his bad suggestion. 04:17:28 well it was overdone a long time ago 04:17:40 not to the point where _i_ lost interest. 04:17:57 you think everything's overdone from the start, anyway >:P 04:18:58 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | R.I.P. Overdone city meme.. 04:19:10 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | R.I.P. Overdone City Meme.. 04:19:12 oerjan: true 04:19:17 i prefer my meat extra-rare 04:19:26 uncooked and alive is optimal 04:19:50 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:20:14 itt shachaf proves he's a zombie 04:20:48 sprø søm sellerɨ 04:21:08 `unidecode ɨ 04:21:10 ​[U+0268 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH STROKE] 04:23:05 ipa-only letters are scow 04:23:47 sełłeri 04:24:34 bëtter 04:25:09 scøw som selleri 04:25:23 `? ørjan 04:25:31 ​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. 04:25:58 how many twins do you have 04:26:13 an uncountable amount. 04:27:59 `learn אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms. 04:28:04 Learned 'אrjan': אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms. 04:28:38 You're using א, not ℵ? 04:28:42 i'm sure boily will appreciate this wisdom. 04:28:51 what now 04:29:01 `unidecode ℵ 04:29:03 ​[U+2135 ALEF SYMBOL] 04:29:13 `unidecode א 04:29:14 ​[U+05D0 HEBREW LETTER ALEF] 04:29:22 DAMN YOU UNICODE 04:29:29 The latter is RTL. 04:29:50 i cannot even see the ℵ 04:30:04 Oh. Then stick with the א, I guess. 04:31:56 `le/rn lem/Stanisław Lem was a Polish logician who discovered the law of excluded middle. 04:32:00 Learned «lem» 04:39:12 `? trurl 04:39:14 trurl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:39:32 * oerjan is slightly surprised there was no Lem wisdom 04:39:54 there's still no good lem wisdom 04:39:56 `? łem 04:39:57 so feel free to jam it up 04:39:58 ​łem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:42:25 @ask fizzie I didn't get home in time to see the first Eurovision semi-final live. :/ <-- does this mean you will now be shunned by your people like lifthrasiir is? 04:42:25 Consider it noted. 04:45:56 @ask hppavilion[1] Some sort of hybrid between a Star Wars reference, some xkcd jokes, and a reference that no one will ever get to this specific channel <-- by any chance, are you planning to fail this assignment? 04:45:56 Consider it noted. 05:18:52 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 05:41:28 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:46:57 -!- constant has changed nick to function. 06:14:56 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 06:16:15 oerjan: :( 06:16:48 -!- function has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 06:20:15 *MWAHAHAHA* 06:22:05 `? oerjan 06:22:35 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 06:22:47 hmm, i thought you weren't evil anymore 06:22:51 `` ps aux | paste 06:22:56 but it must've been something else 06:23:08 i'm no longer infamous hth 06:23:17 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.9358 06:23:18 you have too many adjectives 06:23:19 don't have the time for all the PR 06:23:25 why don't you offload a few to ørjan 06:23:30 i didn't add most of them. perhaps none. 06:23:30 I guess he's outfamous now 06:24:55 i guess that's just sandbox processes. 06:25:31 you should figure out a way to become root so we can see non-sandbox processes 06:27:10 i'm just wondering with this talk of heaps of umlbox processes whether it would help if fizzie rebooted it 06:41:56 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:46:28 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:03:00 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:43:43 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:48:19 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:06:26 ... 08:06:28 http://xkcdsw.com/443 makes me happy 08:14:25 [wiki] [[Rs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47002&oldid=44324 * Timwi * (+20) testing 08:14:36 [wiki] [[Rs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47003&oldid=47002 * Timwi * (-24) Worked! 08:16:14 hppavilion[2], why? 08:46:28 [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Timwi * uploaded "[[File:Efghij — Belmandel function.jpg]]": The Belmandel function in [[efghij]]. 08:47:05 [wiki] [[Efghij]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47005 * Timwi * (+3310) A new esolang: everyday food, garden & home item jenga 08:52:04 [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47006&oldid=47005 * Timwi * (+37) 08:52:52 [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47007&oldid=47006 * Timwi * (+8) 08:53:26 [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47008&oldid=47007 * Timwi * (+23) 09:00:27 [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Timwi * moved [[File:Efghij — Belmandel function.jpg]] to [[File:Efghij — BelMandel function.jpg]] 09:00:29 [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47011&oldid=47008 * Timwi * (+0) 09:03:00 -!- zadock has joined. 09:05:36 a most excellent esolang. 09:14:15 [wiki] [[Talk:Efghij]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47012 * Oerjan * (+226) A must for the handy programmer 09:17:22 "Twitter user shachaf points out to me (why he didn’t just post this here, I don’t know) [...]" 09:17:35 * oerjan whistles innocently 09:17:41 ugh 09:17:55 I was trying to keep my name out of the comments. :-( 09:17:58 YOU CANNOT ESCAPE 09:19:55 i guess when you start your axe murder career it's important not to have your reputation sullied with this academic stuff. 09:20:27 * oerjan considers doing something less evil -> 09:20:46 My tactic of posting a public twit and then deleting it after it's read isn't as effective as I'd hoped. 09:20:50 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:21:05 Because people's replies don't get deleted. 09:21:21 makes you look a bit like a twat, maybe? 09:21:53 @wn twat 09:21:55 *** "twat" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 09:21:55 twat 09:21:55 n 1: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool [syn: {fathead}, 09:21:55 {goof}, {goofball}, {bozo}, {jackass}, {goose}, {cuckoo}, 09:21:55 {twat}, {zany}] 09:21:57 2: obscene terms for female genitals [syn: {cunt}, {puss}, 09:21:59 {pussy}, {slit}, {snatch}, {twat}] 09:22:18 apparently that's a bit obscene but it's for a punny cause 09:22:35 @wn twit 09:22:36 *** "twit" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 09:22:36 twit 09:22:36 n 1: someone who is regarded as contemptible [syn: {twerp}, 09:22:36 {twirp}, {twit}] 09:22:36 2: aggravation by deriding or mocking or criticizing [syn: 09:22:38 [7 @more lines] 09:23:23 lesson for next time: don't modify vowels unnecessarily. 09:23:53 erm, sorry 09:23:57 but isn't that how you make puns 09:24:15 yes, but this time it wasn't strictly needed 09:38:00 so "number of turing machines of size n that halt" is uncomputable, of course 09:38:04 does it have a name? 09:39:25 dunno 09:40:14 You know 09:40:16 sglob is TC 09:40:27 (kind of, sort of, I guess) 09:43:26 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:43:52 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 09:47:57 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:53:33 -!- jix has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:54:01 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:56:52 -!- jix has joined. 10:15:50 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:47:03 -!- rdococ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:47:46 -!- rdococ has joined. 11:01:10 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 11:11:39 -!- Naraka has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:29:53 -!- boily has joined. 11:42:06 shachaf: hellochaf. how did you know that raspberries were antioerjannic? 11:47:38 @massages-loud 11:47:39 shachaf said 8h 37m ago: you haven't asked people about their whereabouts in quite a while 11:47:39 shachaf said 8h 36m 42s ago: (please don't @messages-loud the previous message twh) 11:48:01 what? 11:48:07 Good thing you @massages-loud it instead 11:48:08 I love raspberries 11:48:14 That could have been embarassing 11:48:28 August is my favourite month because it's raspberry season 11:48:45 Tanelle. bad habit on my part >_>'... 11:49:05 @tell shachaf sorry v_v... 11:49:05 Consider it noted. 11:49:35 b_jellonas. there's a raspberry season? 11:49:45 boily: yes. it's longer than one month, but yes. 12:03:57 is there a minimal implementation of public key crypto? 12:04:59 doesn't have to be strong (something like rot13 order of magnitude), just reasonably display the concept of. 12:08:11 libtom 12:11:38 izabellora. 12:11:43 `thanks izabera 12:11:48 hola 12:12:10 Thanks, izabera. Thizabera. 12:16:26 -!- boily has quit (Quit: HOURLY CHICKEN). 12:19:30 -!- ybden has joined. 12:37:40 @tell boily I'm sure I've seen at least a couple of minimal samples using just a bignum library to illustrate the basic RSA idea. 12:37:40 Consider it noted. 12:44:54 -!- tromp_ has joined. 12:49:15 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:05:04 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 13:05:48 -!- ybden has joined. 13:11:17 -!- Caesura has joined. 13:27:28 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:08:15 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 14:19:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:41:40 -!- nycs has joined. 14:44:05 -!- jaboja has joined. 14:48:09 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:17:08 -!- Akaibu has joined. 15:25:05 -!- heroux has joined. 15:31:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:36:12 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:01:23 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:18:15 -!- spiette has joined. 17:09:37 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 17:17:37 shachaf: Um, the number of turing machines of size n that halt is infinite; you can make a TM arbitrarily large by just using bigger parts. hth. 17:17:43 * hppavilion[2] hopes that put got across 17:17:52 `nick hppavilion[1] 17:17:56 -!- hppavilion[2] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 17:18:22 s/put/pun/ 17:18:40 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nick: not found 17:20:07 -!- Reece` has joined. 17:26:50 hppavillion your "bigger parts" doesn't make any sense 17:27:56 tromp: The joke is that you make the TM physically larger 17:28:22 My new xkcd headcannon: Web substitution "webcomic" -> "web standard" 17:28:25 bad joke:( bigger TMs doesn't make for more TMs:( 17:36:07 "searching" -> "grepping" 17:43:02 your joke doesn't work hth 17:45:33 Taneb: and why don't you like gauss 18:27:04 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:28:10 -!- Naraka has joined. 18:31:43 Naraka: after i learned a few years ago what it means, i find your nick disturbing 18:32:10 <3 18:33:03 that was not meant as a compliment. 18:33:18 is it NSFW? 18:33:27 oerjan: why do you have such a problem with this particular thing 18:33:30 more like NSFL. 18:33:55 wonderful 18:33:56 you had a similar objection a few days ago if i remember correctly 18:34:08 and that's why my nick has two ps 18:34:42 shachaf: yes. it's because i am superstitious hth 18:34:59 i actually think it's a bad omen when things like that suddenly show up. 18:36:32 so, since Naraka showed up just as i joined the channel, it's like a sign that _i_ need to leave. 18:36:56 but you didn't and look what happened 18:37:04 shachaf, reasons 18:37:07 now this channel has you in it. you've ruined everything 18:37:34 coppro: maybe all you atheists here will negate the effect now that i've mentioned it. i can only hope. 18:37:41 * oerjan cackles madly. 18:38:44 There's only so many things in life which money can buy. 18:39:09 It sure is good that sex is one of those things. 18:39:26 I'm going to pretend that naraka is an uncertain answer to "where are the deer?" 18:39:49 * oerjan slightly suspects Naraka of being hagb4rd and doing this on purpose _because_ i reacted to that H3LL guy. 18:39:56 Taneb: and there i was thinking it was only an hopeless fancy 18:40:32 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:40:50 except he'd never be that subtle. never mind. 18:40:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:43:03 shachaf, I have an exam on Saturday that is Coding theory... and also Gaussian networks? 18:43:20 shachaf: i also obsessively push the "don't show me this" button on every reddit ad containing skulls. :P 18:44:03 you may or may not recall me having to work around a bug in those a couple years ago... 18:44:58 Every time you smile in the mirror... 18:45:16 coppro: that would be rather unfortunate for the deer. 18:46:08 oerjan: hm i was going to say a thing that would be sort of making fun of you but maybe i oughtn't 18:46:12 hth 18:46:39 Taneb: so how's DF going ;P 18:46:57 oerjan, I've been too busy playing Euro Truck Simulator 2 18:47:47 Taneb: why not train simulator 18:48:00 Because I haven't installed it 18:48:30 @metar ENVA 18:48:31 ENVA 111720Z 25011KT CAVOK 15/02 Q1015 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 29006KT 18:48:37 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:49:22 Naraka: i'm just happy i don't _really_ see anything in mirrors when i get in that mood. 18:53:01 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:59:11 * oerjan hopes he'll get less crazy when his sleeping rhythm returns to a more comfortable phase. 18:59:20 Taneb: There's no Finland expansion kit for Euro Truck Simulator 2. :/ 18:59:50 The "Scandinavia" DLC covers Denmark, Norway and Sweden, while the Eastern Europe pack is too south. 19:00:02 Denmark is not Scandinavia! 19:00:37 Sadly, it is. 19:00:47 fizzie: hi. do you think a reboot of HackEgo might help some? 19:01:18 err no wait 19:01:27 fizzie: damn you knowing more about where you live 19:01:33 fizzie, I've mostly been playing in the UK and once in the Netherlands 19:01:37 I'm not much good 19:01:50 oerjan: Maybe, but I don't actually know how to start it. I could putz around later, I guess. 19:02:27 i guess not getting up again would be a problem. 19:02:58 (Denmark's not part of the Scandinavian Peninsula, though.) 19:03:56 Taneb: I don't even have the game, I've just coveted it once or twice. 19:04:51 Taneb: Oh, you were in .nl? 19:04:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:05:00 shachaf, once 19:05:31 And you spent that one time playing Euro Truck Simulator 2? 19:06:42 YES 19:06:54 Very loudly I think 19:21:56 -!- gremlins has joined. 19:22:04 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:23:29 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:27:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 19:31:26 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:32:15 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:33:22 Taneb, that is, uh, not the normal way to spend time on a trip to amsterdam 19:33:24 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:33:47 Phantom_Hoover, either that or shachaf misparsed my sentence 19:35:06 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:38:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:41:21 -!- gamemanj has joined. 19:52:28 Taneb: you make it sound like an accident 19:56:40 -!- impomatic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:57:16 -!- impomatic has joined. 20:00:02 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:01:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:21:00 -!- gremlins has joined. 20:21:49 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:37:34 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:41:32 <\oren\> does euro truck simulator simulate people trying to sneak a ride on your truck? 20:41:47 is that common? 20:41:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:42:19 <\oren\> i've heard that it is 20:42:38 meh, always the same with click&point adventures... missing something to interact with. 20:45:15 Take a *n?x utility (e.g glob, grep, sed, cat) 20:45:26 Replace one letter (consonant -> consonant, vowel to vowel) 20:45:27 <\oren\> oh apparently tyeres a "trouble at calais" mod for it lolololol 20:45:36 Get another *n?x utility 20:45:40 Example: 20:45:45 gleb = extended glob 20:45:54 @messages-lud 20:45:55 oerjan said 16h 32m 20s ago: I think we could triple the topic's entertainingness [...] <-- itym overdo it to the point where i lose interest hth 20:45:55 oerjan asked 15h 59m 58s ago: Some sort of hybrid between a Star Wars reference, some xkcd jokes, and a reference that no one will ever get to this specific channel <-- by any chance, are you planning to fail this assignment? 20:50:06 quintopia: it is nowadays... 20:50:15 @tell oerjan I have really cool teacher, so... 20:50:15 Consider it noted. 20:50:43 Unless the BBC are just making stuff up, which is possible (if improbable) 20:52:18 gamemanj: have people forgotten how to *ask* for a hitchhike? 20:52:31 POP QUIZ: How many handy numbers do you have? 20:53:33 1024+ 20:54:55 quintopia: Well, the thing is, the people who sneak rides on trucks aren't supposed to be going to their destination. 20:57:05 ...not that it stops them. 20:58:06 you mean like refugees and escaped prisoners? 20:58:27 is the truck driver complicit? 20:59:32 No, the truck driver's the unfortunate victim, AFAIK. 21:00:07 By which "unfortunate victim" meaning "has people attempting to get onto their truck, which the driver does not want on their truck". 21:22:56 -!- nycs has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:40:47 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:44:55 "The C and C++ compilers now emit saner error messages if merge-conflict markers are present in a source file -- test.c:3:1: error: version control conflict marker in file" (GCC 6) 21:44:59 V. fancy. 21:45:34 "-Wmisleading-indentation warns about places where the indentation of the code gives a misleading idea of the block structure of the code to a human reader." 21:45:37 Even fancier. 21:59:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:07:04 -!- Moon_ has joined. 22:09:08 hia 22:15:04 -!- Moon__ has joined. 22:15:09 pc died 22:16:19 -!- Moon_ has quit. 22:17:09 r.i.p. 22:18:19 -!- centrinia has joined. 22:18:35 :p 22:19:15 i spent a bit of my time recently devising _yet another language_ im not gonna post it on the wiki, however 22:22:04 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 22:24:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:24:59 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GeKlAmG19bGzWHTwrSu8tOoGHbpcdqJNScoFF7LLm-s/edit?usp=docslist_api 22:25:34 This air freshener spray "kills odour, causing bacteria at the source". (Punctuation added.) 22:25:52 Heh 22:26:28 bad print job or company messup 22:27:43 https://www.ocado.com/productImages/513/51391011_0_640x640.jpg 22:28:00 Lol 22:28:32 {{_% 22:29:40 {{$_@% i ment 22:31:02 `unidecode 👼 22:31:27 U+1F47C BABY ANGEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 91 bc UTF-16BE: d83ddc7c Decimal: 👼 \ 👼 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 22:32:03 https://www.instagram.com/olganoskovaa/ 22:34:02 Hey, i had an idea. 22:34:31 why not make a language that uses a data tree for storing information 22:36:55 bindun 22:37:30 heck, hexagony goes one further, stores data in the line graph of a hexagonal grid 22:41:28 fizzie: A dash would make it so much better 22:41:50 OH MY GOD 22:41:54 ANONYMOUS WALRUS IS ONLINE 22:41:58 WHY COULD THAT NOT BE ME!? 22:43:07 because you're a failed villain? 22:44:56 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Arborealis has a tree. 22:45:10 Someone here on the channel had a more recent tree thing as well. 22:45:20 Somewhere during the last two years or so, I think. 22:47:40 Regular expressions... Irregular expressions... Degenerate expressions... 22:47:42 `words 22:47:49 (Okay, Arborealis *calls* it a tree, but it has commands for making cycles, which is pretty untreelike.) 22:48:08 fizzie: Yeah. It's a tree-with-rootback, which isn't a tree 22:48:16 `cat bin/coins 22:48:23 vita 22:48:23 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords 22:49:26 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Treehugger is the recent one I was thinking of, it's more pure. 22:49:27 `cat bin/exps 22:49:30 cat: bin/exps: No such file or directory 22:49:37 `` echo "words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords" > bin/exps 22:49:40 Wait 22:49:44 No output. 22:49:48 Dammit, quotes 22:49:54 `cat bin/exps 22:49:56 words echo "words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords" > bin/exps | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords 22:50:00 Oh, it worked 22:50:02 `exps 22:50:03 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/exps: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/exps: cannot execute: Permission denied 22:50:06 Dammit 22:50:13 Forgot about mkx 22:50:27 Gg 22:50:47 `mkx bin/exps//words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords" > bin/exps | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords 22:50:50 bin/exps 22:50:52 `exps 22:50:55 ​/hackenv/bin/exps: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ /hackenv/bin/exps: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file 22:50:58 FUUU 22:51:16 You, uh, left a bit of a thing in there. 22:51:21 Yeah 22:51:22 I noticed 22:51:40 `mkx bin/exps//words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords 22:51:43 bin/exps 22:51:51 `exps 22:52:02 It's interesting how esolangs names are so good for cryptocurrencies. 22:52:08 fizzie: It is 22:52:15 (I didn't remember it was a mix of eng + esolangs, though.) 22:52:18 cryptocurrencycoin is my favourite coin 22:52:27 No output. 22:52:32 ... 22:52:35 That's probably just HackEgo being bad. 22:52:38 `coins 22:52:47 I guess I really should try the restart thing. 22:52:53 fizzie: Uh, yeah 22:53:04 I think it's just being so slow it's tripping the time limits. 22:53:08 ​revercoin automoulcoin wardbarbicoin heavecoin whenecoin scabridcoin effingcoin fustcoin latoritscoin rancoin neipliecoin infuckcoin m-codcoin trecoin face1.0coin netweilcoin tsendecoin silaxcoin juliecoin imminincoin 22:53:17 Well, it did manage that. 22:53:28 So... 22:53:32 "effingcoin" 22:53:33 `exps 22:53:37 *thinks annoying the user of a language as much as possible is good* 22:54:02 face1.0coin is very web 2.0. 22:54:07 ​wadachiexp drtexp vortherexp mothexp tendswolexp kiiexp kiinexp []exp delexp circutexp phicexp granexp khamptorexp poreexp unlampexp hawnydiaraexp jugueexp genigmagyaexp etaexp unvehmgexp 22:54:07 fizzie: It is 22:54:25 []exp is the most real one in there 22:54:40 delexp isn't too far-fetched. 22:54:47 fizzie: It is not 22:54:55 They're like regex substitutions except the replacement must be the empty string. 22:55:06 fizzie: Yeah 22:55:17 drtexp sounds like the syntax of a Tex-like distribution called "Doctor Tex" 22:55:56 I guess circutexp could be for asciigramming circuits? 22:56:19 hmm Tex Murphy. 22:56:33 genigmagyaexp is... I don't know... a syntax for expressing STDs? 22:57:09 kiiexp could be something... 22:57:25 `cat bin/things 22:57:28 cat: bin/things: No such file or directory 22:58:09 `mkx bin/thingwords//words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re "s/( |$)/$1\1/g" | rainwords 22:58:15 bin/thingwords 22:58:24 There, now we don't need `coins or `exps or `loins 22:58:32 `thingwords exp 22:59:02 Argument "exp" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. \ exp 22:59:07 ...dammit 22:59:33 I suppose the ${1---eng-1M ...} had something to do with that? 22:59:35 `coins 2 22:59:53 ​conhacoin dinecoin 22:59:56 Yep 23:00:01 fizzie: Web 3.0 is fun 23:01:11 But web 3.14159 is better 23:01:21 (cow.org/csi) 23:02:29 http://tinyurl.com/hlhbch4 , i spent time on this (not going on wiki for reasons) 23:13:29 `coins 3.14 23:14:24 ​zaancoin mocreachircoin jouxcoin 23:15:18 HackEgo: where is my seventh of a coin 23:18:23 It's one of those things where hackers steal your roundoff money. 23:26:21 So here's a plot of the number of ways that even numbers can be written as the sum of two primes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Goldbach-1000000.png 23:26:33 There's an obvious pattern there. 23:27:23 There are a bunch of "lines" which all look like they grow slightly slower than linear. 23:27:25 -!- `^_^v has joined. 23:27:39 tswett: is the pattern that every point is above 1? 23:28:04 exit 23:28:06 The lines seem to be spaced like... um, I don't know what else is spaced like that. 23:28:49 they shld plot it out much further, like 1e+12 23:29:10 although it may look just alike:( 23:29:23 Ah, this thing explains a lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_comet 23:37:24 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 2016-05-12: 00:12:05 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 00:14:13 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 00:19:10 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:20:57 http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~richard/goldbach.html 00:39:34 -!- LegionMammal978 has joined. 00:40:16 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Quit: Page closed). 00:41:39 -!- LegionMammal978 has quit (Client Quit). 00:43:57 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:52:31 -!- Moon_ has joined. 00:52:37 _____ _ _ _ _ 00:52:37 | ____|___ ___ | | __ _ _ __ __ _ __ _(_) | _(_) 00:52:37 | _| / __|/ _ \| |/ _` | '_ \ / _` | \ \ /\ / / | |/ / | 00:52:37 | |___\__ \ (_) | | (_| | | | | (_| | \ V V /| | <| | 00:52:37 |_____|___/\___/|_|\__,_|_| |_|\__, | \_/\_/ |_|_|\_\_| 00:52:38 |___/ 00:52:38 00:52:41 (= 00:55:32 thx 00:57:01 Np 00:57:14 Where u gonna put it? 01:04:39 Hello? 01:04:46 Phantom_Hoover boop 01:06:14 ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ 01:06:14 _____ / /\ / /\ ___ /__/\ / /\ /__/\ / /\ /__/| 01:06:14 \ \:\/:/~/:/ \ \:\/:::::/ \ \:\/:/__\/ \ \:\/\ \ \:\~~\~~\/ \ \:\/:/ \ \:\ / /:/ \ \:\ / /:/ \ \:\/:::::/ 01:06:14 \ \::/ /:/ \ \::/~~~~ \ \::/ \__\::/ \ \:\ ~~~ \ \::/ \ \:\ /:/ \ \:\ /:/ \ \::/~~~~ 01:06:15 \ \:\/:/ \ \:\ \ \:\ /__/:/ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\/:/ \ \:\/:/ \ \:\ 01:06:15 \ \::/ \ \:\ \ \:\ \__\/ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \::/ \ \::/ \ \:\ 01:06:16 \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ 01:06:18 Damnit 01:06:19 ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ 01:06:19 _____ / /\ / /\ ___ /__/\ / /\ /__/\ / /\ /__/| 01:06:19 \ \:\/:/~/:/ \ \:\/:::::/ \ \:\/:/__\/ \ \:\/\ \ \:\~~\~~\/ \ \:\/:/ \ \:\ / /:/ \ \:\ / /:/ \ \:\/:::::/ 01:06:19 \ \::/ /:/ \ \::/~~~~ \ \::/ \__\::/ \ \:\ ~~~ \ \::/ \ \:\ /:/ \ \:\ /:/ \ \::/~~~~ 01:06:20 \ \:\/:/ \ \:\ \ \:\ /__/:/ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\/:/ \ \:\/:/ \ \:\ 01:06:20 \ \::/ \ \:\ \ \:\ \__\/ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \::/ \ \::/ \ \:\ 01:06:21 \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ \__\/ 01:06:25 *Sigh* it gets cut off 01:09:43 What's it supposed to day? 01:09:44 *say 01:09:49 Brainfuck 01:10:07 I got bored 01:10:19 Oh, now I see it 01:10:19 _____ _ _ _ _ 01:10:20 | ____|___ ___ | | __ _ _ __ __ _ __ _(_) | _(_) 01:10:20 | _| / __|/ _ \| |/ _` | '_ \ / _` | \ \ /\ / / | |/ / | 01:10:20 | |___\__ \ (_) | | (_| | | | | (_| | \ V V /| | <| | 01:10:20 |_____|___/\___/|_|\__,_|_| |_|\__, | \_/\_/ |_|_|\_\_| 01:10:20 |___/ 01:10:25 was made for the same reason 01:10:37 Isn't it just figlet? 01:10:48 ? 01:11:01 'Figlet?' 01:12:25 https://asciinema.org/a/csj05bmajli21j0qk3jcobg9f 01:13:16 No, i didnt do figlet. 01:13:29 I assembled that by hand, and now i discover i wasted my time 01:13:42 The expanded brainfuck was made by something else 01:14:38 what os is that? 01:15:18 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 01:15:53 Hi 01:17:11 It's OS X 01:18:46 Flipped through random, get reminded to finish hellborne instruction set 01:20:10 `? violation 01:20:42 `whois hackego 01:20:42 Violation is the act of playing a viola or another instrument in the viola family. 01:20:48 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found 01:20:54 whoops 01:20:56 ment / 01:21:01 too used to hackego 01:21:04 Also good: https://asciinema.org/a/5qygszp4cmjjgf2ruzoaj0r4p 01:21:12 `ciol rdamnit hackego; 01:21:13 damnit hackego 01:22:18 ▛▘▗▖▗ ▐ ▄ ▄ ▗▖ ▖▖▝ ▌ ▝ 01:22:18 ▛▘▘▖▌▌▐ ▄▌▌▌▚▌ ▙▌▐ ▙▘▐ 01:22:18 ▀▘▀ ▝ ▘▀▘▘▘▄▘ ▀▘▝ ▘▘▝ 01:22:21 More compact, y'see. 01:23:41 hizzie 01:25:28 ▗▖▌ ▗ ▐ ▐ ▗▖▌ ▄ ▗▖ 01:25:28 ▘▖▛▖▛▘▐ ▐ ▌ ▛▖▄▌▙ 01:25:28 ▀ ▘▘▝▘ ▘ ▘▝▘▘▘▀▘▘ 01:25:50 (Welp, asleep now.) 01:25:51 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:28:04 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:28:09 hi 01:28:11 im alive 01:47:52 <\oren\> Hmm, you could use the braille characters to make even more compact big letters, (or the same size but more details) 01:51:34 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:55:36 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:56:00 I have a script for that 01:56:02 let's see 01:56:52 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:59:03 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:59:28 ⢰⠒⠂⡖⠲⠀⡖⠒⡆⡆⠀⢰⠒⢲⢰⢲⢰⢰⠒⠆⠀⠀⡆⡆⡆⡆⡆⢰⠀⡆ 01:59:29 ⢸⣉⡀⣍⣉⡇⣇⣀⡇⣇⣀⢸⠒⢺⢸⢸⣸⢸⣀⣹⠀⠀⣇⣇⡇⡇⡏⠉⡇⡇ 01:59:55 ⣟⡁⣺⠅⢎⠆⣇⡀⡮⡆⡏⡆⢎⡅⠀⣧⡇⣹⡁⡗⡅⣹⡁ 02:00:10 hm 02:00:12 ⣟⡁⣺⠅⢎⠆⣇⡀⡮⡆⡏⡆⢎⡅⠀⣧⡇⣹⡁⡗⡅⣹⡁ 02:00:21 works better when there's no braille next to it 02:00:24 Esolang wiki 02:00:35 Where's the fun in that 02:02:00 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:13:11 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:18:28 -!- moon_ has joined. 02:22:30 hi 02:22:30 Jeff 02:27:04 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:35:37 https://twitter.com/papamitra/status/729199063367737345 kind of a good point. 02:36:21 life (生) and (&) death (死) makes love (愛) 02:39:19 it's a good point when you overlook the part where it makes no sense 02:40:36 That is not etymologically accurate, either. 02:40:54 Oh, hah. Bit masking. :P 02:41:40 pikhq: nice coincidence indeed 02:41:46 -!- sebbu has joined. 02:42:30 the entire CJK ideograph block was populated from multiple sources in the order of radical-stroke indices, so it is almost impossible to tamper 02:46:53 `? war 02:47:13 war? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:47:22 `le/rn war/A lot more young people have gone off to fight in this war than I would have, at that age. 02:47:30 Learned «war» 02:49:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:50:39 `` python -c 'print chr(ord("r") & ord("g"))' 02:50:42 b 02:50:43 coïncidence?! 02:55:05 `coïns 02:55:07 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: coïns: not found 02:55:23 Short for "coïnsurance", of course. 02:55:28 `loins 02:56:12 No output. 02:57:28 -!- Zoroaster has joined. 03:01:25 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:10:39 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:39:00 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:57:54 > putStrLn . return $ chr(ord('生') .&. ord('死')) 03:57:56 03:58:19 > print . return $ chr(ord('生') .&. ord('死')) 03:58:21 No instance for (Show (m0 Char)) arising from a use of ‘print’ 03:58:21 The type variable ‘m0’ is ambiguous 03:58:21 Note: there are several potential instances: 03:59:01 -!- Moon_ has joined. 04:00:22 > text [chr(ord('生') .&. ord('死'))] 04:00:26 愛 04:00:28 There 04:03:48 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:09:08 Really! That's an interesting result of combination. 04:09:33 > text [chr(ord('生') .&. ord('活'))] 04:09:34 攛 04:09:46 It's really a coincidence...? 04:10:08 > text [chr(ord('火') .&. ord('水'))] 04:10:10 æ€ 04:10:17 A very interesting coincidence... 04:12:54 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:14:23 -!- jaboja has joined. 04:20:22 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:26:27 aescEuro is the most beautiful of the ideographs 04:27:13 How is it that love appears from life and death? 04:28:41 Pure coincidence. 04:29:35 -!- Zoroaster has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:29:35 I find that a good gin fizz goes a long way, too 04:31:02 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:35:59 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 04:40:16 @tell boily Feel free to @messages this one in the channel. 04:40:16 Consider it noted. 04:47:52 -!- Kaynato has joined. 04:48:21 -!- Kaynato has quit (Client Quit). 04:53:04 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:20:03 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:40:34 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:53:41 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:56:51 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:58:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:02:35 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:20:54 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:36:26 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:46:43 [wiki] [[Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47013&oldid=47001 * 91.159.232.100 * (+4) Undo revision 47001 by [[Special:Contributions/94.223.139.176|94.223.139.176]] ([[User talk:94.223.139.176|talk]]) 06:52:55 [wiki] [[Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47014&oldid=47013 * 95.244.75.222 * (-2) \! -> ! 06:55:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:57:08 -!- mad has joined. 06:57:20 has our society reached peak complexity 06:57:31 aka the point of diminishing returns 06:59:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:02:20 why are you asking? 07:05:58 because that would sorta explain what's wrong with the economy 07:07:07 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:09:47 you see it in video games... they get all AAA then get too big and then spiral out of control 07:09:52 like duke nukem forever 07:32:35 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:36:40 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:48:00 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:57:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:58:39 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:00:04 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:01:04 -!- Lymia has joined. 08:04:52 -!- FireFly has joined. 08:47:49 -!- mad has quit (Quit: Pics or it didn't happen). 08:55:13 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:59:26 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:22:48 -!- impomatic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:24:03 -!- impomatic has joined. 09:38:05 -!- Akaibu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:39:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:39:30 -!- Akaibu has joined. 09:53:12 I don't think that's why DNF was a failure 10:01:04 -!- rdococ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:30:36 -!- impomatic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:56:01 -!- tromp_ has joined. 11:01:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:01:31 -!- bender has joined. 11:18:44 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:21:52 @messages- 11:21:53 hppavilion[1] said 14h 31m 37s ago: I have really cool teacher, so... 11:22:10 @tell hppavilion[1] Good, good. 11:22:12 Consider it noted. 11:38:18 -!- boily has joined. 11:38:36 nhoily! 11:46:24 hellørjanh! 11:47:28 @messages 11:47:28 You don't have any messages 11:48:01 aurgh. the one time I @massages in lambdie's channel, I get the permission to #esoterichannel it. 11:48:29 *sad trombone* 11:49:53 *soulful mapole whistle* 11:51:05 * oerjan gets overrun by a speeding moose 11:58:21 lesson from yesterday night: a trinitron TV is fungotting heavy, even when rolling it on a table extension on wheels on a cycling path. 11:58:21 boily: " 209? 1. 11:58:31 fungot: 209 lbs? wouldn't be surprised. 11:58:32 boily: sir t. mitchell for several interesting lines :) argument, from geographical distribution, and geological succession :) organic beings. without variability nothing can be more profound and striking than your observations on/ waxy secretion which makes some leaves glaucous. i think that i told you that hooker, who was not impelled by any deep, instinctive feeling, to sacrifice his life, my brother worked hard at chemistry 12:08:18 argh i just cannot get yesterday's logs to be interpreted as utf-8 12:08:42 (or, for that matter, open it inline, which is part of the problem.) 12:08:56 hm... 12:10:00 * oerjan gives up 12:11:40 HackEgo put a lot of color codes near the beginning, which means it won't get accepted as a normal text file. 12:12:18 which means i never get to the menu to force the charset. 12:12:49 and vim doesn't want to think it's in utf8 either. 12:12:59 hm... 12:15:43 vim -b, perhaps? 12:17:24 i think :e ++enc=utf8 worked 12:17:38 i just had to find out how to do it 12:19:42 there, finally a readable format 12:23:06 -!- boily has quit (Quit: PÉRIGÉE CHICKEN). 12:26:51 `cat bin/things 12:27:21 ....... 12:27:32 cat: bin/things: No such file or directory 12:27:35 oh 12:27:39 well then. 12:27:59 oh wait 12:28:05 `cat bin/thingwords 12:28:19 wat 12:28:21 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re "s/( |$)/$1\1/g" | rainwords 12:28:52 `` sed -i 's/1/2/' bin/thingwords 12:28:59 No output. 12:29:05 `thingwords fnord 12:29:49 No output. 12:29:52 `thingwords fnord 12:30:31 No output. 12:30:32 WHATEVER 12:31:45 `cat bin/coins 12:31:48 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords 12:33:22 oerjan's awake! 12:34:00 ZZwhat 12:34:29 in jetlag mode 12:36:58 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:40:33 -!- ybden has joined. 13:05:06 [wiki] [[Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47015&oldid=47014 * Oerjan * (-4) Pretty sure I agree with the previous. 13:05:56 did unnecessary get posted somewhere 13:17:04 -!- Moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:22:05 wait, is Questionable Content parodying Casey & Andy with today's strip? 13:23:44 -!- J_Arcane__ has joined. 13:24:22 b_jonas: nah, not enough mad science 13:27:14 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:27:24 -!- J_Arcane__ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 13:30:34 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:30:47 oerjan: what? it even has a robotic hand like Andy's 13:30:58 wat 13:31:31 FINE 13:31:40 oerjan: Andy gets one at the very end of the story, in http://www.galactanet.com/comic/view.php?strip=665 , after his girlfriend tears off his arm (it's complicated) 13:32:33 i know 13:32:42 i somehow just didn't notice the hand 13:37:17 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:54:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:55:20 yes, definitely casey & andy 13:57:29 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:02:19 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:48:57 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:01:36 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:06:51 -!- spiette has joined. 15:25:11 -!- Akaibu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:26:13 -!- Akaibu has joined. 15:31:35 [wiki] [[SetBang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47016 * 207.237.146.34 * (+941) Created a page for this language. Because why not. It should probably be filled with more information. 15:52:49 generally, languages designed by people called "Church" are pretty great 15:58:41 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 16:02:03 -!- J_Arcane__ has joined. 16:03:32 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:03:43 -!- J_Arcane__ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 16:05:52 -!- nycs has joined. 16:07:44 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:13:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:30:29 -!- gremlins has joined. 16:30:55 -!- gremlins has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:31:19 -!- gremlins has joined. 16:31:29 -!- gremlins has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:32:14 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:42:58 hi tromp 16:43:05 hi oerjan 16:43:35 hi quintopia 16:43:41 `? topia 16:44:11 hint-e 16:44:13 topia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:49:30 `? int-e 16:49:34 int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. 16:49:43 oh right the one i can't read 16:51:14 @metar 16:51:23 ^metar 16:51:26 who knows metar 16:51:48 ?metar 16:51:56 `metar 16:51:59 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found 16:52:08 Neither can I but I know its history. "int-e is not [note:inte in swedish] swedish. He will blow up the sun. He stands for himself." 16:52:42 (not sure about the gender on the last one... it may be neutral) 16:52:50 hmm. it doesn't tell how you got your nick 16:53:05 because I don't tell 16:53:38 mystery isn't as cool as people think it is 16:53:51 but if the story is boring, it could still be cooler than the alternative 17:01:27 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 17:09:39 int-e: "Hen" is indeed the gender-neutral Swedish third-person singular pronoun. I believe it's even in a somewhat wider use than the English equivalents. 17:10:11 (han/hon/hen for he/she/[whatever variant you like].) 17:12:19 sometimes I love bugfixes. 2 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 344 deletions(-) 17:13:19 (though to be fair most of that was code duplication and unused code) 17:16:23 fungot, why are these numbers on my screen wrong? 17:16:25 b_jonas: fnord on drifted seeds and trees. on account :)/ instinctive dread, which his monkeys exhibited, for i tried to approach/ subject on/ continent also have fnord attached to/ larger islands; and those which produce yellow cocoons differ slightly in colour, in/ two other forms) than when crossed inter se: but to a less degree to/ present day, represented by corpora wolffiana in/ human brain. on/ 13th/ storm raged with its 17:17:03 :) -> of, / -> the. 17:17:41 (That was a particularly nice bug.) 17:17:43 fizzie: "hen" isn't gender-neutral in english at all 17:17:57 ^style 17:17:57 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 17:18:01 <\oren\> aargh the easiest way to do this is to spider their api,but theyll get mad if i do that 17:19:30 \oren\: what do you want to download or follow? 17:20:03 <\oren\> i need a list of all sibway stations 17:20:12 <\oren\> in the worlf 17:20:35 See, what happened is, I had a thing to prune tokens that occur less often than a given constant, and it went ahead and actually pruned also some of the punctuation tokens, but the punctuations tokens actually have a fixed translation, the first few non-negative integers are hardcoded in the source, rather than being in the tokens.bin, because they have nonstandard spacing. Aren't you glad you ... 17:20:41 ... didn't ask? 17:21:44 <\oren\> so one way to do tjis is to spider nextbus.con 17:21:54 oh, I see! 17:22:02 so those two shouldn't actually be the same 17:22:11 that's why they aren't 17:23:01 I heard a story the other day, a friend-of-a-friend in Helsinki was approached by a tourist, who wanted to know where they could find the *full* subway map, because they could only find the one line. 17:23:08 (The joke is that http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/helsinki-metro/images/5-helsinki-metro-map.jpg *is* the full subway map.) 17:23:33 <\oren\> lol 17:24:29 norway is phallic shaped anyways, looks fine 17:24:46 <\oren\> hmm if i take my laptp to starbucks they wont know its me 17:26:32 Do you actually need good data for whatever you're doing? Because I would expect you could get a good approximation by just getting the OpenStreetMap data with tag:station=subway. 17:27:01 <\oren\> oh. shit why dis i not think of that 17:32:22 <\oren\> this will work. after all i only need their names 18:38:17 -!- jaboja has joined. 18:43:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:47:19 Here's a tiny VM I wrote when I was bored https://gist.github.com/fowlmouth/1edf02cde1952b4866ea4ab252221329 19:11:34 -!- Kaynato has joined. 19:18:34 [wiki] [[Hexagony]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47017&oldid=46662 * Timwi * (-25) /* I/O */ Fix semantics of , and ; 19:31:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:57:39 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47018&oldid=46999 * Moon * (+268) New change, also, you can only specify variables now. 20:00:52 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47019&oldid=47018 * Moon * (-8) Not much of a stub now, eh? 20:02:31 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47020&oldid=47019 * Moon * (+53) Im mooning the wiki and forgeting all sorts of things 20:20:05 -!- idris-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:20:10 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.4). 20:21:41 -!- rdococ has joined. 20:24:28 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47021&oldid=47020 * Moon * (+176) 20:25:13 -!- Melvar has joined. 20:29:43 -!- idris-bot has joined. 20:47:16 Is it possible to make a polyglot that's both an interesting efghij program, and the result of performing a Chef program literally, at the same time? 20:49:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:51:04 efghij? 20:51:13 prooftechnique: new esolang. see the wiki. 20:51:34 Oh, look at that. Neat :) 20:52:20 And by Chef you mean the esolang, not the infrastructure tool, right? :D 20:52:37 prooftechnique: the esolang 20:59:18 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:59:58 Well, it looks like most of the components of a Chef program are currently undefined in efghij, so I supppose you could bolt I/O onto efghij by way of Chef 21:00:29 bon_journas 21:01:01 Though you'd have to determine if the video proof required to run a literal Chef program is compatible with the photographic nature of efghij 21:05:25 [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47022&oldid=46988 * B jonas * (+114) 21:10:07 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 21:10:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:18:30 -!- f10d4 has joined. 21:18:51 o/ 21:19:23 `welcome f10d4 21:19:44 f10d4: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 21:20:00 good evening bots and dudes! 21:20:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:21:02 proved turing-completeness of some ancient programming languages 21:21:28 simulated rule-110 automata in them 21:21:53 * quintopia shrugs 21:22:20 hi quintopia 21:23:09 helloerjan 21:24:12 f10d4: rule-110's universality proof requires infinite initial state. that means you must be careful when using it for TC proofs. 21:24:46 oerjan: not exactly 21:24:53 (the halting condition might also be tricky. although i suspect it's just a redex) 21:25:17 f10d4: not exactly how? 21:25:34 oerjan: for being correct, a simulation is enough for only finite increasing intervals 21:26:03 because we assume that everything above the starting cells is an infinite patterns 21:26:06 -s 21:26:13 i'm 90% sure oerjan is always right 21:26:23 but not now 21:26:23 quintopia: good, good 21:26:27 oerjan: are you always right? 21:26:36 I'm entirely sure that oerjan is always 90% right. 21:26:40 f10d4: i'm sure i'm right, but i'm not sure you're interpreting me the right way :P 21:27:01 oerjan: always? 21:27:04 f10d4: i'm just saying you may or may not have considered this subtlety. 21:27:10 mathematician = says a, writes b, thinks about c, correct is d 21:27:20 quintopia: no, i'm pretty sure i was pretty out of it yesterday. 21:27:26 oh 21:27:42 well, you would know, being right and all 21:27:53 although it did not involve math. math should be OK. 21:28:12 you say nonmath things? 21:28:21 Ultimately, it's all math 21:28:30 prooftechnique: i'm not convinced of that. 21:28:48 when trump is president you will have been right about that too 21:29:17 oerjan: Just like a mathematician 21:29:25 OKAY 21:30:32 oh right the one i can't read <-- jag ser inte problemet 21:31:18 it's perfectly latin-based alphabet and everything 21:31:22 he translated it 21:31:59 good, good 21:32:06 now where _is_ int-e 21:32:31 WHAT! 21:32:32 no such person exists 21:32:32 i understand everything about his and tromp's laver tables except why they're shelves. 21:32:53 int-e: you've been idle for 4 hours 21:32:55 I don't understand that either. 21:32:59 int-e: darn. 21:33:14 I might try to figure it out the coming weekend 21:33:22 int-e: in fact, when i just looked at laver.hs it was pretty much exactly what i'd thought 21:33:27 but probably not on my own... reading literature instead 21:33:37 darn literature, but it may be the only way 21:34:04 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:34:44 unless i can find an insanely clever induction on [a, ..., mx] being a subshelf. that's my best idea so far. 21:35:42 *{ } 21:36:09 what About shub's elf 21:36:23 shachaf: i didn't know he had one 21:36:58 (i'm sorry, there's currently a swatting shortage due to overuse. please hold for a few days.) 21:36:59 -!- vanila has joined. 21:37:00 hello 21:37:25 vanhila 21:37:35 oerjan: would the swat be for the capital 21:38:06 i didn't even notice the capital. 21:38:18 blood for the blood god, capital for the capitalists 21:38:42 shachaf: is this jesus in a very creepy alternative dimension 21:39:17 "capital for the capitalists" is just regular capitalism 21:39:30 the other one is some internet thing 21:39:37 * oerjan realizes shachaf may not know the allusion 21:39:49 oerjan: there must be some very clever insight into how to find the most significant bit when going from domain size 2^n to domain size 2^{n+1} 21:40:05 probably not 21:40:44 new testament, Mark 12:17: "So Jesus told them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." 21:40:53 *+" 21:41:10 that's pretty much almost equivalent. 21:41:24 oerjan: http://i.imgur.com/odBEeLF.png 21:41:36 especially in context. except with less blood, but other parts of the bible have that, i think. 21:41:51 oerjan: Anyway, I'll be _afk_ for an hour!!!1 21:42:46 shachaf: ken m is a bit of a closet non-christian. 21:43:03 int-e: *GASP* 21:43:42 oerjan: aren't we all 21:43:54 ken m is great, though 21:44:03 i think the pope might not be. 21:45:21 http://www.theonion.com/article/pope-francis-clarifies-god-just-one-many-immortal--51470 21:48:33 oerjan: actually http://i.imgur.com/HSexikG.jpg 21:49:11 int-e: wait, most significant bit? ...oh darn, i just barely missed that ((2^{n-1}-1) |>) obviously preserves all lower ones... 21:49:45 (laver0 indexing.) 21:52:55 shachaf: i see ken m has flexible devoutness 21:53:27 now i'm reading ken ms 21:53:30 thoerjan 21:53:35 http://i.imgur.com/ViHGGeg.png 21:55:04 full of wisdom this one is 21:58:37 @metar 21:58:44 @metar ENVA 21:58:44 ENVA 122050Z 28021KT 9999 SHRA FEW020 SCT028 BKN061 05/01 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 29021KT 21:58:58 ic 21:59:09 @metar ENVA KOAK 21:59:12 @metar KATL 21:59:14 KATL 122052Z 25006KT 10SM FEW050 BKN100 BKN140 OVC250 28/16 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP170 CB DSNT N-NE SHRA DSNT N-NE & VC W T02780156 56013 21:59:24 :( 21:59:36 `weather 21:59:50 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: weather: not found 22:00:00 int-e: maybe @metar should give a message for wrong argument syntax 22:00:03 `? weather 22:00:07 lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK 22:00:10 CYUL 122000Z VRB05KT 15SM BKN210 25/05 A2999 RMK CI7 SLP156 DENSITY ALT 1200FT \ ENVA 122050Z 28021KT 9999 SHRA FEW020 SCT028 BKN061 05/01 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 29021KT \ ESSB 122050Z AUTO 14006KT 9999 NCD 08/01 Q1008 \ KOAK 122053Z 29013KT 10SM FEW015 SCT200 18/09 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP175 T01830094 58009 22:01:10 whoa 22:05:51 @metar EGLL 22:05:52 EGLL 122050Z AUTO 01008KT 340V050 9999 NCD 15/11 Q1004 NOSIG 22:06:03 It was 27 last weekend. 22:06:15 And it's going to be a daily high of 14 the next one. 22:06:23 Or something like that anyway. 22:08:50 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 22:08:59 -!- Moon_ has joined. 22:13:54 -!- Kaynato has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:15:24 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:22:02 `? oerjan 22:22:04 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 22:22:08 i don't believe you hth 22:22:13 `` sed -i 's/\. He s.*//' wisdom/oerjan 22:22:22 No output. 22:25:17 Now you got the final . as well. :/ 22:25:57 oops 22:26:09 clearly i'm not thinking 22:26:20 (said yoda) 22:26:30 `` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/oerjan 22:26:34 No output. 22:26:49 fizzie: How would you express the desired transformation in as short a command as possible? 22:30:46 i don't believe you hth <-- it was based on an actual event hth 22:30:54 although i've forgotten the event. 22:32:26 shachaf: i think leaving out the \. would have worked hth 22:32:41 oerjan: but that would remove the previous sentence too 22:32:52 why 22:34:00 `` grep ' He s' wisdom/oerjan 22:34:02 No output. 22:34:41 it was a unique string so nothing else would be removed. 22:35:27 -!- Kaynato has joined. 22:40:19 re. 22:41:20 Ugh 22:41:28 I'm trying to roll my own regex processor 22:41:35 cool 22:41:39 (PCRE-like regex, not pure regex) 22:41:43 It's giving me a headache 22:41:53 what extensions are you doing 22:42:03 (I'm making my own because the normal re for python doesn't support some things I need AFAICT) 22:42:22 vanila: Mostly it's just PCRE with different syntax and some less-painful backreferences 22:42:56 vanila: A lot of the stuff is backend; e.g. the ability to choose a target for substitution other than just the first occurance 22:43:36 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 22:45:02 int-e: so as i mentioned, i'd missed that lower bits are independent of higher ones 22:45:39 yeah... I tend to do /lastlog int-e 10 (or so) when I arrive, so I didn't miss that 22:46:59 Have to admit I laughed (well, giggled) at https://twitter.com/tomaspetricek/status/730442442827304961/photo/1 22:47:57 pffft, that's more than 9.895pt 22:48:03 also, proving the existence of _any_ shelf with an arbitrary big period for x |> x |> ... |> x = x would also be enough, since they have to be laver tables. 22:48:10 int-e: Surely that depends on the page size. 22:48:43 yes. 22:49:13 oerjan: uh what's the associativity there 22:49:36 I should probably just start by implementing simpler regex engines 22:49:43 Like glob, sglob, gleb, and sgleb 22:50:16 int-e: left 22:51:53 and what is x... 22:52:25 hppavilion[2]: i might now accuse you of being glib hth 22:52:39 oerjan: HOW DARE YOU 22:52:40 :P 22:53:06 int-e: any element in a shelf 22:53:14 or generating a shelf 22:53:45 oerjan: well then you have a problem 22:53:47 the subshelf generated by x is always isomorphic to a laver table. 22:54:00 int-e: i mean any element with that property. 22:54:02 oerjan: since (|> 1) has period 2^n in those shelves. 22:54:11 i know that. 22:54:19 (x is 1, in spirit) 22:55:05 oerjan: ah. well, you could've been clearer about what you want to prove. I lost the context. 22:55:06 int-e: i'm just saying, if you could make a shelf in a completely different way and prove it has a high-period element, that would also imply laver tables work. 22:55:24 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:57:42 oerjan: if you read the blog post you'll find that Laver defined an infinite shelf that induces the finite ones as quotients 22:58:45 (which in fact will out the way you describe though that isn't visible from the blog post) 22:59:02 s/will out/will work out/ 22:59:29 wait which blog post 22:59:37 https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/shelves-and-the-infinite/ 23:00:08 i thought i _had_ read that. 23:00:14 * oerjan rereads. 23:00:22 or browses, at any rate. 23:00:39 "Laver showed that this operation distributes over itself:" 23:03:27 int-e: oh. well that won't really help since it assumes a large cardinal axiom. i'd assumed you could prove the tables at least _were_ shelves without it. 23:04:05 * int-e hasn't actually read the definition... regarding it as some sort of spoiler. 23:04:16 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:05:25 int-e: the problem with quotienting out by the equation is that you still have to prove you only identify the elements you want. 23:11:00 N-- 23:11:09 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:13:27 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:17:08 wtf is with the math formatting at https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/shelf 23:17:36 all formulas show up twice, once badly rendered, then followed by TeX. 23:18:31 not for me... try disabling javascript? :P 23:18:42 wat 23:19:13 Works for me. 23:19:29 Relatively pretty too. 23:19:36 ok the homepage mentions MathML. 23:19:47 Seems it's just MathJax. 23:20:56 Well, "just" may not be the right word. It's the kind of MathJax where you actually have MathML in the sources, and then MathJax makes it work in places where it wouldn't otherwise. 23:22:36 At least I assume so. The code looks a bit dubious to me. 23:23:42 ima start learning haskell 23:26:22 -!- Akaibu has joined. 23:27:10 Hi 23:40:07 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 23:40:50 hi hppavilion[2], im going to be learning haskell, a big change for me 23:41:49 -!- vanila has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:42:12 Moon_: Good 23:43:36 Already likeing the idea of Ranges 23:44:01 *Has been freed from handwriting a rangemaking function* 2016-05-13: 00:00:21 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Contains only free ranging moons | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | R.I.P. Overdone City Meme.. 00:01:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:01:03 > 1+1 00:01:05 2 00:03:27 > let 1+1 = 7 in 1+1 00:03:29 7 00:07:42 > let 1+1 = 7 in 1+2 -- Haskell is so unsmart :/ 00:07:43 *Exception: :3:5-11: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + 00:18:18 -!- Kaynato has joined. 00:31:35 heynato 00:31:43 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:32:10 hi quintopia 00:32:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:36:43 [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47023&oldid=47021 * Moon * (-44) 00:37:34 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:43:13 You know the great thing about the model existence theorem? 00:43:13 -!- Kaynato has joined. 00:43:38 The proof doesn't merely establish the existence of a model for the theory you give it. It *explicitly defines* a model. 00:43:51 ^aaNaaaaaaLaa!$p 00:43:56 aka 00:44:03 10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010... 00:44:33 The model isn't amenable to computation, but it is nevertheless explicitly defined. 00:45:49 suppose there is a periodic binary message, and each bit is transmitted for a fixed but unknown period of time. 00:46:27 and the channel is noisy, transmitting successfully p fraction of the time. 00:46:50 and successful fragments can be identified 00:47:52 is there a code which allows the message to be received and understood after only O(1/p) loops 00:47:57 ? 00:48:33 after only O(1/p^n)? 00:49:24 (n constant) 01:00:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 01:10:28 -!- Caesura has joined. 01:11:41 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:13:20 i guess no one knows 01:18:19 I don't, but I'd be interested in knowing too 01:29:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:29:45 -!- Asztal has joined. 01:30:02 >_> 01:30:04 <_< 01:31:29 -!- Asztal has quit (Client Quit). 02:03:52 -!- boily has joined. 02:04:24 @massages-loud 02:04:24 You don't have any messages 02:09:58 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:10:16 <\oren\> tromp_! tromp_! tromp! 02:10:30 hi 02:10:31 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Min SendQ Extrapolated). 02:13:58 <\oren\> I upgraded ksp to 1.1 and everything was broken, but with 1.1.2 it's become stable again 02:14:03 he\\oren\, trellomp_! 02:15:55 helloily 02:16:05 why did you show up so late 02:16:11 ive been here hours 02:17:01 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:17:09 it could have been our chance 02:21:05 -!- Nathan2055 has joined. 02:22:49 quinthellopia! 02:23:23 natholan2055 02:23:33 my night out involved a nasi lemak and one heavy fungot of an iMac in a box. 02:23:38 `relcome Nathan2055 02:23:49 Yello, all! 02:24:05 Anyone seen this garbage: http://arstechnica.com/ 02:24:10 Y U Metro? 02:24:12 ​Nathan2055: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 02:24:16 we need a more responsive hackbot 02:26:22 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:30:00 the fungot died? 02:30:49 so it would seem 02:36:56 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TURBULENT CHICKEN). 02:50:14 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:58:01 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:12:58 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:12:58 -!- shachaf has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:13:19 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:14:22 -!- shachaf has joined. 03:15:40 -!- centrinia has joined. 03:17:57 -!- Lymia has joined. 03:19:24 -!- FireFly has joined. 03:19:42 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:26:37 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:46:43 -!- bender has joined. 03:51:22 @tell oerjan I figured it out: Once one has shown that a |> mx = mx for all a (which only works for mx = 2^n-1), one can prove a |> (b |> c) = (a |> b) |> (a |> c) by induction on a, and an induction on b |> c according to its recursive definition. 03:51:22 Consider it noted. 03:54:24 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 04:05:03 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:15:26 -!- Moon_ has joined. 04:19:16 -!- HackEgo has joined. 04:20:38 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:31:34 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 04:31:55 -!- idris-bot has joined. 04:35:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:40:29 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:44:32 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:48:32 -!- Naraka has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 04:48:55 j-bot: <<<<<100 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: ┌───────────┐ 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: │┌─────────┐│ 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: ││┌───────┐││ 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: │││┌─────┐│││ 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: ││││┌───┐││││ 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: │││││100│││││ 04:48:56 hppavilion[2]: ││││└───┘││││ 04:48:57 hppavilion[2]: │││└─────┘│││ 04:48:57 hppavilion[2]: ... 04:49:00 :) 04:50:55 j-bot: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<5 04:50:56 hppavilion[2]: ┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:50:56 hppavilion[2]: │┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:51:05 ]:] 04:51:08 hppavilion[2]: ││┌──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:51:20 please stop twh 04:51:24 hppavilion[2]: │││┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:51:25 fein 04:51:30 you always do this 04:51:37 shachaf: I do do it too much 04:51:40 hppavilion[2]: ││││┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:51:56 hppavilion[2]: │││││┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:52:01 j-bot: stahp 04:52:07 Oh, oh jeez 04:52:16 hppavilion[2]: ││││││┌──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:52:32 hppavilion[2]: │││││││┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────â 04:52:32 hppavilion[2]: ... 04:52:36 hppavilion[2]: |value error: stahp 04:52:37 There we go 05:01:09 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:02:52 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:02:59 -!- notfowl has changed nick to fowl. 05:50:50 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:53:44 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:55:24 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:04:38 -!- HackEgo has joined. 06:08:34 factor(25) 06:08:44 496 / 2 06:08:53 496 * 2 06:12:08 `factor 25 06:12:25 `2 + 2 06:12:32 2 + 2 06:12:32 `` factor 25 06:12:53 uh, I thought hackbot had one 06:13:42 25: 5 5 06:13:42 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2: not found 06:13:42 25: 5 5 06:14:06 ...so it was just lagging behind. 06:22:26 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:45:24 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:53:45 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:53:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:53:45 -!- augur has joined. 06:57:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:01:57 what's http://www.oplax.fi/ all about? 07:02:03 i didn't realize 2-categories were so popular in finland 07:02:58 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 07:03:43 they sell and cut wood? 07:04:29 -!- Nathan2055 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:08:22 in reverse order, i hope 07:21:26 -!- noloveinwaikiki has joined. 07:40:15 `? semmelweis 07:40:39 semmelweis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:41:41 `learn Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. 07:41:48 Learned 'semmelwei': Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. 07:49:57 `` mv wisdom/semmelwei{,s} 07:50:05 No output. 08:01:32 -!- variable has joined. 08:04:25 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 08:05:26 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:13:12 Ugh, codefights doesn't support haskell, scala, or any lisp. I'm going back to project euler. 08:17:11 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:23:17 http://choffy.com/ 08:30:33 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:32:34 -!- augur has joined. 08:33:50 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:52:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 09:00:41 CHALLENGE: Create the most needlessly complicated system for calculating kinship 09:00:47 Complete with arbitrary ruls 09:00:57 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:07:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:21:04 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:22:54 -!- bender has joined. 09:48:23 Re fungot: the machine it's running on seems to have "crapped out". 09:49:14 I'll be blaming the bot, I'm sure it did something to it. Tried to gain sentience again, or something like that. 09:54:05 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:58:46 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:19:01 -!- fungot has joined. 10:19:07 fungot: Fess up, what did you do? 10:19:08 fizzie: the 0 that c puts at the end of a stick for c++ entrenched managers. they're great, if we expand " a" 10:19:30 If I understood correctly, it had something to do with null termination. 10:39:56 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:35:27 -!- boily has joined. 11:38:26 -!- bender has joined. 11:45:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 11:52:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:54:16 -!- hydraz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:10:03 @massages-loud 12:10:04 You don't have any messages 12:21:30 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TERRACOTTA CHICKEN). 12:23:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:25:14 @messages- 12:25:14 int-e said 8h 33m 52s ago: I figured it out: Once one has shown that a |> mx = mx for all a (which only works for mx = 2^n-1), one can prove a |> (b |> c) = (a |> b) |> (a |> c) by induction on a, and an induction on b |> c according to its recursive definition. 12:26:38 a |> mx = mx is itself a bit tricky, i think. i had some thoughts on that. 12:29:38 @tell int-e a |> mx = mx is itself a bit tricky, i think. i had some thoughts on that. basically recursing on that, and on mapping to the right half being an endomorphism, simultaneously. 12:29:38 Consider it noted. 12:29:58 @tell int-e *inducting 12:29:58 Consider it noted. 12:31:15 >_> <-- he chose a bad time to return 12:50:25 fungot: so how's your sentience project going? 12:50:25 oerjan: then i'll say emacs) fixed the ugly fontification for me) at compile time, when you can steal, and referred to a popularity graph that looked like fnord 12:50:41 let's call that progress. 12:54:48 `? C-x M-c M-butterfly 12:55:39 C-x M-c M-butterfly? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:55:41 dammit, emacs. 13:15:35 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:16:39 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:18:38 -!- Akaibu has joined. 13:22:38 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 13:25:34 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:30:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:56:37 sam starfall is not too good with compliments. 14:22:11 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:37:47 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:45:12 -!- ybden has joined. 14:47:40 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:52:21 -!- spiette has joined. 15:30:32 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:31:32 -!- ybden has joined. 15:33:45 -!- ybden has quit (Client Quit). 15:34:05 -!- ybden has joined. 15:43:05 oerjan: yes, a |> mx = mx is a bit tricky... but it's something that one can wrap one's head around since there's only one free variable instead of three. 15:43:46 hm 15:43:53 But I'm still not sure how to convince Isabelle of the fact. 15:45:05 (I have done the proof that a |> mx = mx implies self-distributivity in Isabelle, it wasn't too hard actually.) 15:45:14 ok 15:47:11 but the way I convince myself that a |> mx = mx relies on some handwaving about top bits, hence the period of iterating (|> b), and it's not easy to make it fully rigorous. 15:49:59 basically the intuition is captured in the definition of `lavers` in laver.hs; all the lists in there have lengths (periods) that are powers of 2. 15:50:36 * int-e afks a bit (verbification is fun). 15:54:50 int-e: i _really_ think making mx = 2^n - 1 rather than mx = 2^n makes the formulas more awkward here. 15:57:07 my intuition is, a |> mx because (a + 2^(n-1)) |> (mx - 2^(n-1)) = mx and all but the highest bit must follow the same period, so you can at most double it. 15:57:17 int-e: my intuition is, a |> mx because (a + 2^(n-1)) |> (mx - 2^(n-1)) = mx and all but the highest bit must follow the same period, so you can at most double it. 15:58:58 (note that if you set mx = 2^n then a |> n = mx is the same as the period of a |> x dividing n.) 15:59:13 int-e: (note that if you set mx = 2^n then a |> n = mx is the same as the period of a |> x dividing n.) 16:02:39 -!- rdococ has joined. 16:02:50 `wisdom 16:03:11 `random-card 16:03:12 this sentence//This sentence was not invented by Taneb. Taneb invented it. 16:03:13 `recipe 16:03:19 * oerjan gets too annoyed talking to a backlog grep 16:03:33 ​ to hot oil over nick. \ Bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes. Serve on parmesan cheese. Place the spinach, cooking \ sure, then add cloves and covered. serve with a heavy cream. \ \ FOR SUGAR YOU SOUR: Put first 1 1/4-inch loaf pans or or cooking spray. \ \ : Cook and beat until stiff peaks form. Heat oven to 350F. Pour over chicken and c 16:03:34 Consumptive Goo \ BB \ Creature -- Ooze \ 1/1 \ {2}{B}{B}: Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn. Put a +1/+1 counter on Consumptive Goo. \ SCG-R 16:04:17 * oerjan is starting to think HackEgo is too noisy lately. 16:04:25 what? why? 16:04:44 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:04:59 `? jacobi 16:05:01 jacobi? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:05:20 `? o 16:05:23 o is a popular comedy adventure fantasy webcomic. It's about a group of adventurers, heroes or warriors (whatever you want to call them) called the Order of the Stick, as they go about their adventures with minimal competence or knowledge of what they are doing, and eventually sort of stumble into a plan by an undead sorcerer to conquer the world, 16:05:26 `wisdom 16:05:30 zzo38mtg.php//http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php 16:05:42 `wisdom 16:05:44 misle//misle v. tr. "I was misled about morphology." 16:06:01 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 16:06:39 -!- ybden has joined. 16:07:56 -!- zadock has joined. 16:13:18 -!- gamemanj has joined. 16:17:22 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:21:18 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Fnord). 16:36:12 -!- ybden has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:37:36 -!- ybden has joined. 16:38:17 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:43:01 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:47:24 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:49:39 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 16:56:06 -!- impomatic has joined. 16:56:22 Hi :-) 16:57:36 Is there a C programmer here who could point out any bad coding practice in my first non-trivial C program? :-) http://corewar.co.uk/robotwar/rwdc.c 16:58:16 E.g. not testing for an error after reading in a file, etc. It's only a short program 16:59:01 Well, you don't check that the file actually opens correctly (fopen returns 0 on error)... 17:02:13 Thanks, I'll add that. Anything else obvious? 17:03:26 Nothing I can see. 17:03:38 (Mind, I have no idea what the code is actually doing...) 17:07:28 Thanks for taking a look. 17:08:25 Otherwise I'll just get 100 comments about the programming style when I post it on reddit :-) 17:08:49 It decompiles bytecode for an Apple II program. 17:09:00 Ah. Oh, and I found another error while trying to work out what it was doing... 17:09:19 -!- Caesura has joined. 17:09:21 If buffer[0x300] to buffer[0x3FF] does *not* contain 0, 17:09:33 then it will continue reading past the end of the buffer. 17:12:16 If buffer does not contain any zeroes, and the previous problem doesn't crash the program, in the second loop, once ptr reaches 0x300, ptr+0x100 will be 0x400, and... here we go again. 17:16:18 I suppose I ought to check for that, even though it shouldn't happen on correct input :-) 17:19:06 And in the final printing loop, if operand's value can exceed 35, then you can go out of bounds of the reg array. 17:20:15 Good news is AFAIK none of those allow writes. 17:25:50 Thanks, I might add a bounds check. 17:26:16 Although properly formatted data from the compiler won't be a problem 17:32:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:49:34 Oh, ye of little faith 17:56:24 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:59:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:59:25 * hppavilion[1] is online now 18:03:44 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 18:06:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:07:40 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 18:15:04 -!- ybden has changed nick to triminority. 18:16:31 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:17:49 -!- triminority has changed nick to ybden. 18:25:55 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 18:31:33 ...one day I was looking at esolangs.org, and I found... Rectangular SNUSP. 18:32:01 I didn't even read the "Created by" until returning from getting a drink. And then... *DRAMA* 18:39:19 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:43:19 gamemanj: Who created it? 18:43:54 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:53:38 asiekierka, apparently, made a one-command extension to SNUSP: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Extensions_to_SNUSP#Rectangular_SNUSP (the interesting thing being how people from one community have a tendency to pop up in others...) 19:00:18 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:01:18 The PC technical reference has schematics for MDPA and it seem that it does output colours as well as a monochrome signal. 19:14:04 Also why does the MDPA schematics have twelve pages but the first two are omitted? It says "Note: Logics one and two of twelve are not applicable." Why is that? 19:15:13 Well, if the schematics include analogue components of the system, presumably that's where those are. 19:15:50 O, OK 19:16:59 (...this is entirely a guess. And not an educated one, either - it's just a "well presumably the schematics are for undocumented behavior spelunkers and the analogue stuff wouldn't matter to them" guess) 19:17:34 Or, on the other hand, "not applicable" means that it's hardware that doesn't usually get installed 19:18:02 Also the RGB output of the monochrome adapter have no resistors/capacitors but the signal for intensity and for monochrome video out do have resistor/capacitor. (The monochrome monitor ignores the RGB signals but does use the intensity; it also looks like blue characters will still be underlined on the RGB output) 19:19:06 Has anyone ever tried using monochrome display adapter with a colour display? 19:19:31 (However, CGA does not output a monochrome signal; it outputs only RGBI) 19:27:28 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:27:51 -!- centrinia has joined. 19:28:16 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 19:29:55 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:47:46 The documentation also says that bit4 of "Color Select Register" selects intensified background colours for alphanumeric mode, but from the schematics it seems that instead it is used to select intensified foreground colours for graphics mode. 19:50:06 Do you know why the documentation says that? 19:51:04 (The signal is labeled "BACKGROUND I" on the diagram even though it seem not to be used for that purpose) 19:53:37 maybe the foreground/background signals and graphics/alphanumeric signals are inverted? 19:53:41 (This is a guess) 19:54:40 It does say which ones are inverted (and looking at the connections I can confirm it), and it is not inverted. (It says "+ BACKGROUND I", the plus sign indicate not inverted) 19:56:05 Ah. In which case I have no idea. Where are these schematics available? 19:56:52 In the IBM PC technical reference book. 19:58:31 (Also, that bit selecting intensified background colours for alphanumeric mode does not even make much sense; there is a different bit for blinking mode which controls this.) 19:58:52 * gamemanj does a google search, and finds the "PC Technical Reference Aug81" 20:00:50 apparently the technical reference starts with a bunch of legalese, including the warranty not applying to "non-IBM modification of the Product", whatever that means... 20:00:50 This book also contains the full PC BIOS code (except for the BASIC interpreter). 20:01:10 aw, the BASIC interpreter would be the best bit! 20:02:09 I think possibly it is due to the BASIC interpreter was written by Microsoft and they did not give the code to IBM or permission to IBM to put it in their book. Some information about the memory map used by BASIC is provided though. 20:04:04 There's plenty of code for BASIC interpreters in old issues of Doctor Dobb's Journal. They're even available as bound volumes :-) 20:04:33 zzo38: That is almost certainly the case, yeah. 20:05:07 It's not *as* needed anyways: IIRC there's some fairly good commented disassemblies for the ROM BASIC interpreter anyways. 20:06:17 so now to get to appendix D without pdf.js taking a year and a day to do anything 20:09:23 yay, I found the "IBM MONOCHROME DISPLAY" diagram, and it says "HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES UP TO 450 VOLTS EXIST ON THE PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARDS"... presumably that's the CRT circuit, not the display adapter 20:10:04 Yes that is the CRT circuit. The adapter has may pages 20:10:19 Huh, neat. I didn't realize that's how the IBM PC cassette port worked... 20:10:33 The audio output of it is just the PC speaker output. 20:11:10 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:11:40 whoever setup the PDF apparently believed people had rotatable heads 20:11:55 Logic 3: Portrait in PDF, but obviously meant to be landscape 20:12:28 Logic 4: Landscape in PDF, meant to be landscape. Logic 5, Portrait, meant to be landscape... 20:16:26 Print-as-PDF to extract specific pages and force them to landscape... didn't try to rotate, just scaled the content down to fit... Saving individual pages and fixing it manually... 20:17:36 ...oh well, at least I found out why it's so weird: something or someone is using OCR, and presumably the (portrait-layout) page numbers confused it 20:18:56 ...in other news, what's a parallel painter adapter... and why is it written like that on the document AFAIK (Logic 3) 20:20:26 “whoever setup the PDF apparently believed people had rotatable heads” => hehe. mind you, pdf readers can usually rotate the pages 20:21:26 Huh. Apparently pdf.js (thankfully!) rotates pages individually (I feared it would rotate all pages, thus making browsing a pain) 20:21:44 ... wait a sec. Keyboard Logic 2 wasn't... 20:21:46 scratch that 20:21:51 zzo38: I have the PC XT technical manual, which also has a full disassembly of the ROM and the optional hard disk control ROM, plus some circuit diagrams, and lots of useful technical information about all the hardware and bios stuff. 20:21:53 I think it might have rotated all pages 20:22:03 It even has a short cpu programmer's manual 20:22:14 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:22:21 Yep, it rotated all pages >.> 20:22:38 The ROM dumpings are in small print and almost all uppercase 20:23:18 New plan: Rotate to make individual page correct, and save. Failing that, take individual pages and convert to PNG, THEN rotate them 20:23:20 also, all the fucking labels have meaningless short alphanumeric names (but unique ones, they didn't have local label tech yet) 20:23:43 like R1, R2, R3, R4, etc, the letter tells which section it is in 20:23:47 ugly 20:24:03 at least it's not self-modifying 20:24:46 -!- `^_^v has joined. 20:26:02 The problem with the PC BIOS is of course that it had a proper documented stable api, but the PC got very popular and all the programs ignored that and started to rely on lots of internal details, for more performance, so all the PC clones had to replicate all that and eventually it sort of turned into a de-facto canon 20:26:17 People were no longer accessing the services through the proper interrupt functions. 20:26:44 This results in the PC bios interface a horrible ugly mess, and all emulators have to emluate it 20:27:21 well, presumably emulators just give up and ship a PC BIOS ROM? 20:27:41 Or show an "insert ROM here" dialog like PS2 emulators do 20:27:42 gamemanj: no, they can't just do that, that targets a specific old hardware 20:27:48 In practice most emulators ship with a custom BIOS. 20:28:06 as in, they can't just ship the ancient PC rom, because that only works with that hardware, nothing newer 20:28:09 well, if you're targetting newer hardware, the newer BIOS probably won't be compatible anyway 20:28:22 with the older software 20:28:23 Qemu and BOCHS and probably a few others use SeaBIOS. 20:28:41 gamemanj: New BIOSes are *shockingly* compatible with older software. 20:29:08 I get the distinct impression "save page as" in Firefox actually means "save whole document as"... 20:29:10 There are old programs that don't work on new machines, but by and large you can grab a brand new PC, stick DOS on it, and run old stuff just fine. 20:29:12 Retype the PC BIOS from the book into the computer 20:29:30 zzo38: And miss out those important BASIC routines? 20:29:36 gamemanj: I believe you can choose whether to save the whole document or just the HTML in the file type field of the save as dialog 20:29:44 b_jonas: It's a PDF. 20:29:54 gamemanj: oh.. right 20:29:57 a pdf 20:30:01 Your main issue is gonna be stuff along the lines of programs not being compatible with your graphics card's CGA implementation, programs assuming a certain CPU speed, and the like. 20:30:04 gamemanj: Yes you will miss the BASIC routines but everything else would be included 20:30:05 where's this pdf by the way? I'd like to see it 20:30:05 b_jonas: I was hoping there was some way of extracting individual pages :( 20:30:14 even if I have the XT manual printed, this pdf might be useful 20:30:22 So you can still use and write programs that don't need BASIC 20:30:29 gamemanj: sure, download the pdf and then use pdfselect or something on it 20:30:57 Already downloaded the PDF, it's just prerotating the schematics for reference purposes 20:31:03 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:31:08 Also make the emulator to work better more closely to the original hardware, CRTC, CGA, MDPA, etc 20:31:14 zzo38: does that version of BASIC save and load files on a casette or on the floppy? 20:31:41 b_jonas: I think on the cassette, although I don't have the details 20:32:43 Oh, about the PC, 20:32:45 I have a question 20:32:51 what's the least amount of RAM it was sold with? 20:33:06 I sort of think it's 32K, but I'm not sure 20:33:54 10 PNGs later... 20:34:31 I think the book says 16K 20:35:40 Also it says PC supports four diskette drives but you must connect two of them externally and two internally. 20:37:17 and now for "74LS chips I don't recognize", IBM PC MDA edition: 74LS244, 74LS125 (some sort of buffer?)... 20:38:18 "MC6845": now that's just cheating, how am I supposed to work out what that does??? 20:38:29 (It's not even a 74LS!) 20:38:42 ...ok, TODO: read up tons of 74LS chips. 20:38:50 And on all the other chips too. 20:39:17 What next, 74LS42, "Integrated Microcontroller That Does Everything"? 20:39:28 (I'm joking) 20:40:34 MC6845 outputs the timing and address for a grid of tiles on the screen, as well as a signal when the cursor position is being output 20:40:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 20:42:16 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:42:36 riles? 20:42:37 um 20:42:39 tiles? 20:42:49 do you mean like text mode characters? 20:42:58 Presumably that and pixels in graphics mode - 20:43:15 it's wired to the HSYNC and VSYNC lines, so it better be capable of handling pixel modes too... 20:43:41 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:44:31 Unless the "- 6845CS" chip-select line also turns off the outputs and another chip takes over, but I'd doubt it. 20:45:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:45:09 (It would make more sense for the cursor line to simply be ignored - reuse the same chip for timings...) 20:46:27 I think MC6845 knows nothing about graphics modes; it only outputs the address of the tile to display and the hsync/vsync, and the rest of the hardware has to deal with whatever a "tile" means. 20:47:02 Which explains the data lines - configuration for how many "tiles" exist. 20:47:11 gamemanj: you don't have to ignore the cursor: the docs already tell you that to hide the cursor in text mode, you must move it slightly outside the border of the screen, so I presume the BIOS simply does that when it sets up graphics mode 20:48:17 You program the tile address of the cursor, not the screen position, though. 20:48:34 if the tile address isn't one that is in the range for the screen, then it won't show the cursor. 20:48:47 b_jonas: if you have real hardware, feel free to mess around with registers to put the cursor into view. I'll go hide in a cave. Near a castle. Far away. 20:48:54 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:49:03 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:49:04 (where the explodey glass fragments can't reach me) 20:51:46 The registers to prorgam include number of tiles per row (both timing and display amount), number of rows of tiles, number of scanlines tall of each tile, scanline numbers for cursor start/end, address of first tile to display, address of tile to display cursor on, "interlace mode" (I am not sure what this is), and light pen (not sure quite how this works either). 20:53:10 oh, I know what interlace mode is, just by the name 20:53:41 It'll skip every other scanline on one frame, and then draw all the ones it missed on the second, and repeat. 20:53:48 Or something like that. 20:54:33 Maybe; this book only says that it has to be set to 2 for all of the standard modes. 20:56:11 Which video card is this? The original CGA, with the text mode font in ROM unchangeable, and no 9 pixel width support? 20:56:38 The MC6845 is used by both CGA and MDPA video cards. 20:57:07 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:57:54 zzo38: how does this tile thing work? does it generate only the address into the map, or is it connected to the memory and reads the map and generates the address into the tile graphics? 20:59:17 Look at the schematics to see how it works. 21:00:38 * schematics may be incomprehensible without detailed knowledge of several microchips, including various exotic 74LS parts, the occasional special chip, and a degree in horography. 21:01:16 ...suffice to say I fulfill none of those criteria. 21:02:51 I don't know a lot of those things either but I can still understand most of the stuff involved 21:04:22 where's the pdf? 21:04:40 https://ia601705.us.archive.org/32/items/bitsavers_ibmpcpc602renceAug81_17295874/6025008_PC_Technical_Reference_Aug81.pdf 21:04:46 ^ this is where I got it from 21:04:47 thanks 21:04:53 page 320 21:05:13 logics 1 and 2 are missing, presumed in the middle of kitten cuddling 21:06:39 The address output from MC6845 is doubled, and the regen memory is accessed at that address and the next one; in text mode it will then use the first one and the scanline number as input into the character generator ROM, and in graphics mode it uses the low bit of the scanline number as the high bit of regen memory address instead, and uses the data read as direct pixel data 21:07:50 old computers seem to have a tendency to use complicated graphics memory addressing. 21:07:59 which one was the first video card that started the strange 9 column mode? 21:08:00 -!- Frooxius has joined. 21:08:10 I mean, it's REALLY useful, but seems strange for hardware to implement that 21:08:14 9...column? 21:08:25 Please tell me you are joking. 21:08:29 gamemanj: 9 pixels horizontally per character 21:08:35 *phew* 21:08:45 that is, 9 columns of pixels within a character 21:09:19 but strange because it has the pixel timing of the mode set up as if it used 8 pixels per character, but somehow multiplies it by 9/8 when it generates the signal 21:09:55 I don't understand electronics, but that seems impossible to implement 21:11:57 well, did the 8-pixel mode have an extra "spacing" pixel that was conveniently forgotten about? 21:12:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:12:24 Or did it literally just pull an extra pixel in the timing from nowhere? 21:12:32 gamemanj: I have no idea how they do that 21:12:35 really 21:12:42 it's hardware magic, I only do software 21:13:11 (I'm not quite sure if literally is the right term. It's probably not. Justification: By the sound of it, it really is magic, so literally counts.) 21:13:42 and that too only in like ten years later hardware, which has a programmable timer I can set to any frequency (within limits) so at that points it's much easier 21:13:59 not the original hardware from back when electronics was more difficult 21:15:03 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:16:19 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:16:47 Back in the old times near 2001 or something, when I had a pentium and a CRT (I got the first TFT later), so getting a fast vsync still mattered, but the computer was slow and had little memory so I couldn't just use graphics mode all the time, I experimented with the video card, 21:17:35 and set up the video mode to a particular resolution I wanted (100x37 characters 9x16 pixels per character or something like that, I'm not sure) and as high vsync as possible: 21:18:19 nontrivial 1d elementary cellular automata rules list: 18 22 26 30 ?41? 45 54 60 62! ?73? 90 105 ?106? 110! 122 126 146 150! 21:18:45 the limit was the video card, because even though it can handle quite high sync rates in graphics mode, the text mode part can't, so between 90 and 100 hertz vsync the pixel rate got so high that the character generator couldn't keep up with the speed, and sometimes generated artifacts 21:19:12 these rules at least preserve chaos starting from random initial configuration 21:19:13 I could prove that 100 hertz didn't work, and 95 hertz seemed to work, so I used 90 hertz starting from that, 21:19:38 and kept that in text mode until much later when I got the first TFT. 21:19:51 These days I just use graphics mode almost all the time. 21:20:02 I remember the 9-pixel-wide-character modes have a thing where the 8th column is copied to the 9th (instead of it being always blank) for some fixed range of characters, so that line-drawing doesn't have gaps. 21:20:59 fizzie: yes, and that's how cp437 is arranged, so I think at least _some_ hardware at that time (one of CGA, the monochrome controller, or the printer) must have already done 9 pixel mode at that time. 21:21:54 arranged in a way that those characters are in a consecutive range of 24 characters 21:22:36 ah yes, the monochrome adapter was 9 pixel wide 21:22:37 I see 21:22:42 and the cga was 8 pixel wide 21:23:35 Do you see that the monochrome adapter does have RGB output (although not used by the monochrome monitor)? 21:27:19 well, it has RGB lines 21:27:32 which is confusing 21:28:21 (AT0 to AT7 go to fBfGfRfI/bBbGbR) 21:28:22 `? pc 21:28:25 `? os/2 21:28:36 pc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:28:36 os/2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:30:40 It looks like that reverse video for monochrome output is only when the attribute byte is exactly 0x70, 0x78, 0xF0, or 0xF8; it seems that invisible character is only if the attribute byte is exactly 0x00, 0x08, 0x80, 0x88. For RGB output it would use the attribute byte as colours instead, and seems that blue characters are underlined regardless of RGB or mono output. 21:30:43 -!- rizi has joined. 21:37:49 -!- rizi has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:39:08 who is excited about parsey mcparseface? 21:39:46 -!- rizi has joined. 21:49:23 I decided to humour the name and search for it. It seems... interesting. 21:53:54 However, it also looks like I'd have to first get TensorFlow running, then start Parsey McParseFace. And even then, there are many different ways to represent the same action, which need to be handled correctly by a real application. 21:58:39 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:06:08 Now my "ff-reduce" program (part of my Farbfeld Utilities package) has support for hold-and-modify. 22:10:14 (This is done by adding a plus sign before the letter to indicate how to find the best palette index.) 22:11:35 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:19:18 -!- `^_^v has joined. 22:19:55 -!- Moon_ has joined. 22:21:02 -!- noloveinwaikiki has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:32:22 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 22:35:24 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:35:38 -!- ybden has changed nick to always. 22:36:58 -!- always has changed nick to ybden. 22:47:27 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: testing). 22:47:49 -!- ybden has joined. 22:47:59 -!- ybden has quit (Client Quit). 22:48:15 -!- ybden has joined. 22:48:28 -!- ybden has quit (Client Quit). 22:48:50 -!- ybden has joined. 22:49:23 -!- ybden has quit (Client Quit). 22:52:22 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:53:58 -!- shikhin has changed nick to obey. 22:54:03 -!- obey has changed nick to shikhin. 22:54:26 -!- shikhin has changed nick to FireFlyFireFly. 22:55:03 -!- rizi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:55:41 -!- FireFlyFireFly has changed nick to FireyFly. 22:55:48 -!- FireyFly has changed nick to shikhin. 23:06:14 -!- ybden has joined. 23:08:50 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:10:01 -!- `^_^v has joined. 23:21:54 -!- evalj has joined. 23:25:43 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 23:29:11 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:30:13 -!- jaboja has joined. 23:41:40 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:45:34 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:46:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:46:50 -!- Moon_ has joined. 23:56:40 Does the letter ɡ have a glyph in your font you use for irc, and does it look not very ugly? 23:58:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkOzaTtdweM made me happy today 2016-05-14: 00:00:24 b_jonas, it looks like a g to me 00:00:28 Except sort of smoother? 00:00:32 Taneb: good 00:00:44 Like the difference between p and rho 00:02:23 -!- Naraka has joined. 00:02:28 Someone mentioned asiekierka. I've heard that name before. 00:02:32 Who was that? 00:02:43 They used to be in the channel a while back? 00:03:25 asie(kierka) visited briefly a few months ago 00:04:01 but it's not that often he's here 00:04:33 * oerjan wonders if int-e is here, he thinks he found the obvious solution to the a |> mx problem 00:05:39 after using int-e's distributivity idea 00:10:16 @tell int-e I found how to see a |> mx = mx: afaict by the induction in your distributivity proof, you can assume that {a+1, ..., mx} subalgebra has already been proved a shelf, and then the composition chain of (a+1) in that shelf must have power of 2 period. 00:10:16 Consider it noted. 00:12:03 @tell int-e (and that chain is equal to a |> 1, a |> 2, etc.) 00:12:03 Consider it noted. 00:13:35 * oerjan suddenly worries if that was spoilery 00:15:44 @tell int-e (modulo indexing. too many conventions being mixed around here...) 00:15:44 Consider it noted. 00:27:13 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:31:27 -!- variable has joined. 00:31:59 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:52:27 -!- bender has joined. 00:58:27 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:10:10 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 01:11:35 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Segmentation fault (core dumped)). 01:32:37 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:32:49 *teases everyone with the work in progress of a text adventure game* 01:32:50 http://postimg.org/image/d0tklsxtd/ 01:33:01 i made it while bored :P 01:34:01 you should add a space after "processed command was" 01:34:20 Already fixed in next compile (i compile every minute or so to test functions) 01:35:44 also corrected proccessed to processed? 01:36:40 thx :P 01:36:46 i didnt notice that :P 01:38:12 so how esoteric is the language? 01:38:26 I think my custom Magic: the Gathering card called "Kjugobe's Numerical Hack" is a bit strange idea and probably does not have a lot of uses 01:40:12 I see you have an e-book about it 01:40:19 Im sadly not programming it in a esolang 01:40:41 i AM planning to use a esolang in it, however 01:41:02 namely, a extended brainfuck 01:43:37 zzo38: maybe it could be useful (but not very efficient) when you're playing a spell without paying its mana cost 01:43:48 but even then, I can't think of many applications 01:44:04 b_jonas its esoteric (= 01:44:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:44:51 b_jonas: Yes that might be one use (but as you said, not very efficient). 01:46:32 There are also some cards that have multiple X's in their mana cost, or have an additional cost of X life in addition to the X mana. 01:47:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 01:47:15 zzo38: you mean like using this in an agressive deck where you have little mana and want to spend the card on it? 01:47:18 could work 01:48:29 It still seems weak but it has uses and yes that is another one. But, you can use this on opponent's spells as well, probably this also won't be so common but maybe it is just what you need in a few unusual circumstances. 01:50:02 zzo38: maybe if you had infinite (or lots of) mana, and two Isochron Sceptres, one with Disrupting Shoal and one with your card on it 01:50:09 sorry Moon_ I just realize I should have reported the bug on you userpage instead of here 01:50:57 mind you, if you just want to counter every spells and have lots of mana, then there are better ways to do that 01:51:47 the practical way is Silence, which requires little mana but still lets the opponent cast instants in their upkeep; if you have lots of mana then just use Force Spike 01:52:10 Maybe opponent used a spell to draw X cards, and X is however many cards are left in their library because they know that one of them can be certainly win with, then you can use it to force them to draw one extra card...(of course this seems unlikely) 01:52:14 s/Disrupting Shoal/Spell Blast/ 01:52:51 Oh, you could use Spell Burst, then you'd only need lots of mana, no Isochron Scepter 01:53:39 (And, you know, if you have infinite mana and access to multiple specific crazy cards, you could just win instead.) 01:55:17 Yes, if you have the correct cards to win in that situation of course. 01:56:23 doesthiswork, that is for my interpreters 01:56:39 anything on the wiki that i wrote and you found a bug for goes there 01:58:04 [wiki] [[User talk:Moon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47024&oldid=46993 * Moon * (+30) 02:00:44 Maybe you could use Kjugobe's Numerical Hack defensively from a sideboard against spells like Spell Burst, Desembowel, Molder, Immortal Servitude, Punishment, or even against Forced March to kill your opponent's creatures too 02:01:29 Yes, I suppose there is that doo 02:01:32 Also, wait, against Spell Blast you can *only* use it defensively, not offensively on your own spell, because that targets (and so does Molder etc) 02:01:51 Disembowel too 02:02:04 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:02:21 And you can't just make the hack let you choose new targets for the spell, that would be too powerful 02:02:33 for {U} as the cost that is 02:02:53 and at {UU} cost the increase X thing would be almost useless 02:02:57 Yes it doesn't change the targets. 02:03:43 So for some spells that target X permanents or whatever, it has a missing target and won't change its effect unless the X does something else too. 02:08:54 I made up some more new cards by now 02:13:14 -!- Shubshub has joined. 02:13:16 yo 02:14:01 zzo38: not just "won't change the effect", but will also counter those that require a target with mana cost (exactly) X, like Disembowel 02:14:36 Yes, it will do that too, I realized that. 02:15:11 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:15:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:32:29 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:39:49 -!- Shubshub has quit (Quit: Pull the pin and count to what?). 02:49:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:52:21 I found that continuous logic works much better when x^2 = x 02:53:46 standard definitions are "a and b = a*b" and "not a = 1-a" 02:54:14 since "a and a = a" "a*a = a" 02:54:43 and then all the math works 03:02:58 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Page closed). 03:03:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:14:34 -!- BlueProtoman has joined. 03:14:46 Are esoteric OS shells a thing? 03:16:42 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:17:35 I don't know 03:21:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:35:22 a(b+c) = ab+ac 03:35:26 Politicize that, bitches 03:35:29 -- xkcd 03:47:36 hppavilion[1]: You're working within a system that's inherently biased towards scalars. You are, as usual, marginalizing vectors, matrices, quaternions, and basically every other mathematical structure out there. *You are helping to perpetuate the institutionalized domainism that governs mathematics.* 03:48:40 BlueProtoman: Um, I'm pretty sure that most mathematical structures (groups, rings, etc.) with * and + require that a(b+c) = ab+ac 03:55:25 hppavilion[1]: Ok, but what if we redefine * and +? In fact, who says we have to even use those oh fuck it even if this were a controversial topic I'm not very good at this. 03:56:34 :7 03:56:56 I guess it's good that I'm not very good at starting drama, huh? 03:58:58 the distributive property is communist. trump says if a term is not a hard-working, tax-paying citizen, it won't get any factors 03:59:43 I was going for more of a Tumblr SJW approacj 04:11:00 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:30:01 -!- Moon_ has joined. 04:34:33 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:37:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:44:17 -!- bender has joined. 04:51:00 -!- centrinia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:56:16 -!- moon_ has joined. 04:57:34 hi 05:05:13 `? pi 05:05:25 `? piet' 05:06:14 pi is a very round number. 05:06:15 piet'? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:06:38 `? piet 05:06:40 ​Piet is a really colorful programming language. 05:07:09 `? brainfuck 05:07:16 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 05:07:29 `mklang 05:07:31 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mklang: not found 05:07:51 `? FreeFull 05:07:56 FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. 05:08:16 `? moon 05:08:20 Moon is a person, not an unretroreflectorey object. 05:09:28 `? haskell 05:09:33 Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' 05:24:57 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:36:47 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: brb). 05:39:23 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 05:48:58 -!- BlueProtoman has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:54:47 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:13:32 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 06:13:32 -!- nisstyre has joined. 06:24:17 There's such a thing as an "oplax monoidal functor" and also such a thing as a "Hopf lax monoidal functor". This is great. 06:24:33 What are those things? 06:25:01 An oplax monoidal functor a dual of a lax monoidal functor. 06:26:17 A Hopf lax monoidal functor has to do with Hopf monoids, which I don't know much about. https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Hopf+monoid 06:31:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:37:41 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:42:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:48:33 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:54:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:34:52 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:41:09 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:50:59 Ugh 07:51:10 Flat earthers are annoying 07:51:14 I'm sure most of them are trolls 07:51:15 But... 07:51:51 Everyone knows the world is a tau-dimensional hypercone 07:52:50 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:52:58 -!- bender has joined. 07:54:51 hppavilion[1]: I have a friend who has onset schizophrenia and has been bitten by that particular conspiracy theory 07:55:04 Cale: Ouch 07:55:31 Cale: I'd say the appropriate social response for such a situation, but I don't know it 08:01:20 hppavilion[1]: eh, mostly it means that I'm annoyed with him whenever he gets on that topic :) 08:04:21 [wiki] [[Talk:Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47025&oldid=46866 * 79.136.173.159 * (+314) /* Nice idea */ new section 08:07:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:08:15 `? lem 08:10:17 Stanisław Lem was a Polish logician who discovered the law of excluded middle. 08:10:48 <\oren\> `ftoc 75 08:10:53 75.00°F = 23.89°C 08:15:35 <\oren\> `ftoc 70 08:15:51 70.00°F = 21.11°C 08:19:01 -!- Human_61 has joined. 08:38:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:40:57 [wiki] [[Talk:Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47026&oldid=47025 * 79.136.173.159 * (+1214) /* Befunge programs? */ 08:43:04 [wiki] [[Talk:Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47027&oldid=47026 * 79.136.173.159 * (+130) forgot to signature 08:43:27 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:45:10 [wiki] [[Talk:Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47028&oldid=47027 * 79.136.173.159 * (+38) 08:58:10 hello x xperts 08:58:25 * izabera good at jokes 08:58:36 how do i find the pid of x if i know $DISPLAY? 09:04:00 haha, all my edits are displayed here 09:04:22 hmm, now i will revise my edits 9 times instead of three 09:05:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:10:29 Looks like many people, but so silent... 09:49:12 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 10:22:39 It's Eurovision tonight! 10:22:45 I have an exam in three hours 10:22:48 But Eurovision! 10:32:55 people are watching that? 10:40:02 -!- tromp_ has joined. 10:44:42 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:00:51 myname, not yet, I will be later 11:02:39 -!- gamemanj has joined. 11:17:51 -!- Reece` has joined. 11:50:04 -!- bender has joined. 11:55:07 -!- izabera has changed nick to tsumegirl. 11:56:40 Not because it's good, but because it's silly 11:56:43 at least for me :p 11:57:34 Everyone watches the Eurovision. 11:57:42 Or so I keep thinking, but apparently that's not true. 11:58:01 * gamemanj is currently watching a screen on which the words "Everyone watches the Eurovision." are visible... 11:58:06 I even watched the semifinals for some reason. 11:58:30 They said they're broadcasting them live for the first time in US and [some other place I forgot]. 11:58:53 s/eurov/circumc/ 11:59:01 [wiki] [[Shard]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47029 * SMA * (+835) new article 11:59:39 I have degree in art history, music literature. 11:59:46 this "popular" music is yid 11:59:54 with rare exceptions. 12:00:04 so know the origin 12:00:28 please do not be offtopik, do not refer to kikkevision 12:02:34 [wiki] [[User:SMA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47030&oldid=42715 * SMA * (+36) Shard added 12:02:55 if i want to hear crappy music, i can always use youtube 12:09:27 -!- JX7P has quit (Quit: Quit). 12:15:44 -!- IRIXUser has joined. 12:16:13 myname: You're quite right -- they stream it live in Youtube. 12:16:31 oh dear 12:18:33 Anyway, it's a channel tradition to speak about it at this time of the year. http://sprunge.us/OjMR 12:24:44 Good news: I *think* my BytePusher-program-graph-creator is working. Bad news: The analysis takes way too much time. 12:25:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:29:15 int-e: yo. 12:29:48 . o O ( not now, can't you see I'm busy ) 12:31:03 [wiki] [[Talk:Shard]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47031 * 79.136.173.159 * (+111) Created page with "But wait, [[Seed]] is first! --~~~~" 12:31:39 Haha, liar. 12:31:45 Seed is first. 12:32:05 -!- ybden has joined. 12:32:56 ...so what's Shard's binary executable format? 12:34:06 . o O ( no. ) 12:34:31 If it's brainfuck, then it should be easy enough to write a program for it. 12:35:30 Human_61: a common problem on our wiki 12:36:12 SHA256("b") == "[", assuming there aren't any conflicts I've missed 12:36:58 Human_61: as gamemanj implies, Shard looks much easier than Seed. 12:38:18 Human_61: oh wait, Seed is not the same thing. i'm pretty sure we have a language that is closer to Shard (but still harder) than that. 12:39:07 Yes, but Seed is harder to code in (saw the hello world which prints just h) 12:39:23 oerjan: anyway, quick shot before I disappear into the jungle of the city to hunt some food: actually the version I'm working with is the "dual" one from laver.hs, and there the interesting law that depends on powers of 2 becomes a |> 0 = 0. 12:39:26 oh ShaFuck. although that's actually been broken. 12:40:21 int-e: well i can't keep up to your indexing, but i just wanted to know if you agree with my suggestion for completing the proof. 12:40:26 *up with 12:40:32 oerjan: well, in general, if you can convince the interpreter to ignore all but one byte in most situations, then it gets easier 12:40:45 yo mamma 12:40:57 I proved turing-completeness of some ancient languages 12:41:02 and shell environments 12:41:05 and applications 12:41:07 f10d4: you already said so 12:41:08 in a weird way 12:41:10 okay 12:41:11 :) 12:41:21 will be presented at the end of July 12:41:21 well maybe not the second part. 12:41:26 aha 12:41:27 or May. 12:41:40 oerjan: yes that's basically how I think about it. 12:41:45 gamemanj: ShaFuck doesn't allow for comments. 12:42:05 fizzie: ah, that could complicate things a little 12:42:17 Per the spec, anyway. It was "broken" in the sense that the interpreter had a vulnerability. It's all there on http://esolangs.org/wiki/ShaFuck 12:43:54 oerjan: the main reason that I like the dual version is that all tables are initial squares of the same infinite table, without any manipulation of top bits. 12:44:24 int-e: also, the only spot that needs thinking about bit is when proving laver tables that are shelfs must have length 2^n. 12:44:32 afaict. 12:44:32 -!- Reece` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:44:35 *about bits 12:44:53 *shelves 12:47:09 int-e: oh right. however, i think you still need the smaller tables up until the point you've proved that x |> 0 = 0 in all of them. 12:48:13 or well, that they coincide. 12:50:43 fizzie: the icons in the editing menu on the wiki have disappeared. i have to look at the hovertext to find where to click :/ 12:51:35 admittedly, i _could_ finally memorize the markup for signing, but still... 12:53:37 oerjan: Is this a recent thing? 12:53:54 Hm. They're gone for me as well. 12:53:59 well i just discovered it this week i think, but admittedly i haven't been editing much... 12:54:19 It's been a while since I last upgraded, but that did break some things. 12:54:23 [wiki] [[Talk:Shard]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47032&oldid=47031 * Oerjan * (+108) Or [[ShaFuck]] 12:54:35 (They had moved things around, and the short-link rewrite rules didn't cover everything they needed.) 12:54:50 i may have seen it before and ignored it... 12:55:18 Yeah, https://esolangs.org/w/extensions/WikiEditor/modules/images/toolbar/button-sprite.svg gives a 404. 12:55:28 also, i haven't written on talk pages, which is the only time i need it. 12:59:03 Should be back. 12:59:56 yay! 13:01:20 Huh, we're actually still up to date. There's been no new MediaWiki releases since 2015-12-21. 13:01:36 shocking 13:01:41 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:03:15 What about PHP releases? 13:05:12 @tell doesthiswork I found that continuous logic works much better when x^2 = x <-- indeed, that's called a "boolean ring" for essentially that reason. 13:05:12 Consider it noted. 13:15:15 hmm, now i will revise my edits 9 times instead of three <-- i recommend preview hth 13:26:49 -!- BlueProtoman has joined. 13:30:37 `? help 13:30:51 `? pi 13:31:04 *sigh* 13:31:25 pi is a very round number. 13:31:25 help? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:32:39 `learn Help is on the way. We don't know where the way is, though. You might try `help instead. 13:32:44 Learned 'help': Help is on the way. We don't know where the way is, though. You might try `help instead. 13:39:58 At thw end of infinity, every word with a capitalized first letter will be a reference to something. 13:41:06 `help 13:41:06 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 13:43:51 and now for your regularly scheduled subliminal messaging. -- --- .-. ... . / .. ... / - .... . / ..-. ..- - ..- .-. . 13:52:36 ,:y n brl8 13:52:38 wt 13:52:49 stupid thing doesn't actually use unicode :( 13:54:55 and this other site that claims to use unicode doesn't work either :( 13:54:59 WHATEV 13:56:30 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:57:09 -!- netmind has joined. 14:00:42 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:02:11 ` 14:02:14 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found 14:02:36 you literally failed 14:02:41 -!- netmind has left. 14:03:19 `mkx bin///echo Stop taking everything literally! 14:03:24 bin/ 14:03:29 ` 14:03:30 Stop taking everything literally! 14:03:35 Eh, I guess I should use run to have a syntax error. 14:03:36 `run 14:03:37 bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' \ bash: -c: line 0: `' 14:03:49 i can't help with that one, alas 14:04:13 `run echo $PATH 14:04:14 ​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin 14:04:30 `ls /hackenv/bin 14:04:32 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ bin \ b 14:04:36 the /opt/ghc/bin hasn't been there in a while... 14:04:56 I know the next command will fail, but just curious... 14:04:59 `ghci 14:05:00 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ghci: not found 14:05:06 that's what i told you. 14:05:08 `cat 14:05:32 that one takes ages to time out 14:05:39 No output. 14:05:44 `run cat <<< hi 14:05:45 hi 14:05:54 because it's reading from some open stream that never writes anything, i think 14:06:06 (there should have been a It does. 14:06:20 `ps aux 14:06:21 USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND \ 0 1 0.0 0.1 1012 272 ? S 13:06 0:00 /init \ 0 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 13:06 0:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 13:06 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? 14:06:26 `ps aux > processes 14:06:26 error: unsupported option (BSD syntax) \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). 14:06:29 `run ps aux > processes 14:06:32 No output. 14:06:41 other than that, HackEgo seems unusually speedy at the moment. 14:06:59 `coins 14:07:11 (i just had to go and ruin that, didn't i) 14:07:17 yes 14:07:25 ​resethaxcoin sysicacoin liquishachcoin haincoin aalcoin parnalcoin flasscoin exconfortecoin silcoin backmannellengroflcoin kvicecoin yardinecoin scabrcoin madscoin fraecursoncoin magnantstracoin carucoin braiself-modcoin latlcoin selfcoin 14:07:32 `system-add-module go-faster-stripes 14:07:34 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: system-add-module: not found 14:07:40 :( 14:07:56 itym red-paint 14:08:40 hmm... 14:08:46 `pacman --help 14:08:50 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pacman: not found 14:09:30 `mkx bin/pacman//echo Error: Could not install package, system is actually a cat. 14:09:35 bin/pacman 14:10:36 (...presumably there's some obvious joke about the name "pacman" I could've used, but meh) 14:11:39 The most obvious joke would've been to just echo "Chomp, chomp, chomp!" or some-such. 14:12:54 Chomping packages... systemd [1/8] nautilus [2/8] networkmanager [3/8] ERROR: Could not connect to network. 14:13:31 (where "systemd" and "nautilus" can be any package name and "networkmanager" can be anything someone would consider critical to networking.) 14:14:27 `stat - 14:14:29 ​ File: `-' \ Size: 0 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 character special file \ Device: 1h/1dInode: 205 Links: 1 Device type: 4,1 \ Access: (0644/crw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-05-14 13:14:26.804271000 +0000 \ Modify: 2016-05-14 13:14:26.804271000 +0000 \ Change: 2016-05-14 13 14:41:51 -!- boily has joined. 14:46:35 `? coins 14:46:37 coins? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:46:48 `? --help 14:46:50 ​--help? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:46:54 `? coins --help 14:46:56 coins --help? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:47:03 `coins --help 14:47:07 ​Usage:coin wordscoin [-dhNo]coin [DATASETS...]coin [NUMBER_OF_WORDS]coin \ coin \ options:coin \ coin coin -l,coin --listcoin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin listcoin validcoin datasetscoin \ coin coin -d,coin --debugcoin coin 14:47:19 `cpoms 14:47:20 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cpoms: not found 14:47:21 `coins 14:47:31 Hehe. 14:47:36 I liked the coinhelp. 14:47:51 ​comcoin tauncoptcoin dodedinworkcoin woodcoin lieusicicoin schcoin nccidcoin auntercoin vardecoin capuarecoin numpcoin sorragsallcoin xenamentropylierdotypherstacktranchcoin kolmensidecoin excelacoin chatcoin sableqcoin ihoutcoin crailbrcoin bytolcoin 14:48:08 :D: are these random 14:48:24 Yeah, it's a character n-gram thing. 14:48:50 ah 14:48:57 Trained on various things you can choose from, but the default for coins is an equal mixture of esolang names (from the wiki) and English words. 14:49:09 `coins -d 14:49:27 ​edaretacoin (L-T:coin 3)coin 14:49:45 And the actual command is `words, `coins just adds the 'coin' suffix and the colors. 14:49:45 hmm, does --help choose a options dataset? 14:49:51 `words -l 14:49:52 valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M 14:49:56 ah 14:50:01 `words --help 14:50:04 Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset 14:50:07 :D: 14:50:18 this is great 14:50:20 `coins --help 14:50:22 ​Usage:coin wordscoin [-dhNo]coin [DATASETS...]coin [NUMBER_OF_WORDS]coin \ coin \ options:coin \ coin coin -l,coin --listcoin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin coin listcoin validcoin datasetscoin \ coin coin -d,coin --debugcoin coin 14:50:38 I still can't not laugh at the coinified help. 14:50:43 same 14:50:44 `coins --debug 14:51:01 ​convertenucoin (L-T:coin 3)coin 14:51:09 `coins doom 14:51:24 Argument "doom" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. \ coin 14:51:33 I think the debug output is just the "(L-T: 3)" part, which has something to do with the word length thing. 14:51:40 ah 14:52:17 how come "doom" ain't numeric? of course it's a number! it's the one that comes before infinity hth 14:53:31 Synthesizing from a n-gram isn't a particularly good way to get a realistic distribution of word lengths, so it does some sort of an ad-hoc tweak, I forget exactly what. 14:58:48 ohoily! 14:58:57 First exam complete 15:01:10 Something like having a target length sampled from a Gaussian, and then tweaking the end-of-word probabilities to bias towards that. Or something. 15:01:40 hellœørijan! 15:01:54 Tanelle! how many left? 15:06:50 -!- BlueProtoman has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:06:53 -!- bender has joined. 15:07:06 `len Hello, world. 15:07:08 13 codepoints 15:07:37 Yay, I managed to upload a binary :). 15:08:36 `culprits bin/len 15:08:43 xfix xfix 15:10:11 `len ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:10:15 10 codepoints \ 15 UTF-8 bytes 15:10:57 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:11:19 -!- moon__ has joined. 15:11:38 xfix: I only count 9 codepoints? 15:11:45 in theory, BytePusher programs are FSMs. 15:11:55 boily: *MWAHAHAHA* 15:12:14 in practice, "finite" is still very big. http://hastebin.com/raw/icizenavod 15:12:20 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:13:13 Hm, that's interesting... 15:13:29 ah, forgot to explain the syntax of the analysis results 15:13:45 U+00B0 and U+200B. 15:13:57 Why does that string have U+200B in it anyway? 15:14:20 xfix: it's there to avoid triggering a script 15:14:36 however, the guy with the script left long ago... 15:14:42 oh wait 15:14:42 I see. 15:14:50 he's still here 15:14:53 hm... 15:14:56 ^celebrate 15:14:56 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ 15:14:58 A simple way to count the number of UTF-8 characters in a string is to count the number of bytes that are not in range 0x80 to 0xBF (if using the extension for arbitrary large numbers, then also omit 0xFF bytes from the total) 15:15:11 but he's no longer using the script :( 15:15:21 myndzi doesn't react to celebrations anymore? :( 15:15:30 *sad trombone* 15:15:38 (Actually the extension for arbitrary large number is a bit more complicated than that I think?) 15:15:39 *soulful mapole whistle* 15:15:43 Sure enough, that would work. 15:15:52 why exactly do the celebrations have people looking not exactly happy 15:15:53 The program checks UTF-8 validity for no real reason however. 15:15:55 *sound of galloping meese* 15:16:04 I don't know how to trick my IRC client into outputting invalid Unicode however. 15:16:14 *Ode To Joy...* 15:16:20 *...NGE edition* 15:16:49 My IRC client cannot send any non-ASCII characters although it is capable of receiving them. 15:16:57 `len 😊 15:16:59 1 codepoint \ 2 Java characters \ 4 UTF-8 bytes 15:17:19 (Hmm. Was it Ode To Joy? IDK.) 15:17:29 `unicode 😊 15:17:32 U+1F60A SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES \ UTF-8: f0 9f 98 8a UTF-16BE: d83dde0a Decimal: 😊 \ 😊 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 15:17:38 tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down ♪ 15:18:00 I wanted to make fun of Java, I do admit... 15:18:08 Does "Java characters" mean how many characters when converted to UTF-16? 15:18:14 UCS-2 15:18:18 TBH, both C# and Java have one common problem... 15:18:31 gamemanj: because they're missing parts, presumably. 15:18:35 the "char" type is 16-bit. 15:18:43 Which means that operations on strings... 15:18:56 are just about as useful as they are in UTF-8: I.e. NOT AT ALL 15:19:11 I think they are useful. 15:19:17 It depends on what you are doing of course 15:19:42 zzo38: Well, presumably they don't intend anyone to ever have to implement a "backspace" or "delete character" button in C# or Java 15:20:21 To be fair, even if you implement it over codepoints, it's still not really useful. 15:20:22 gamemanj: Actually, it is easy both with UTF-16 and UTF-8, although a string could be non-Unicode 15:20:25 `len g̈ 15:20:26 1 grapheme \ 2 codepoints \ 3 UTF-8 bytes 15:20:37 2 codepoints, but one visible character. 15:20:49 Unicode is full of stupid I think 15:20:53 `len ä 15:20:57 1 codepoint \ 2 UTF-8 bytes 15:20:59 Unicode: It's Complicated 15:21:20 JavaScript also uses 16-bit characters in a string, and there are separate functions for treating the characters as raw 16-bit values or as UTF-16 values. 15:21:21 Unicode: It's Perfect, and so is Han Unification. 15:21:32 `? unicode 15:21:33 Thing is, it's not even a matter of "visible character". Visuals are the font renderer's job, and you kind of need combining chars to keep the codepoint count sane... 15:21:34 Unicode is a mess invented in 1988 by Xerox, Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition, and the evil Human Supremacy Corporation, in order to make it easier for the government to spy on Chinese people. 15:22:10 It's a matter of how the font renderer is going to even know what codepoints those are... 15:22:40 gamemanj: It should be specified in the font metric file. 15:22:58 zzo38: Yes, but if everything's specified in Unicode Codepoints, 15:23:02 and the text input is in UTF-16, 15:23:13 `len 🌴 🐪🐫🐪🐫🐪 🌞 𝕲𝖔 𝕿𝖍𝖔𝖚 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝕯𝖔 𝕷𝖎𝖐𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖘𝖊 🌞 🐪🐫🐪 🐁 15:23:14 46 codepoints \ 77 Java characters \ 139 UTF-8 bytes 15:23:15 then the font renderer or text field implementation or whatever has to handle text decoding - 15:23:29 which should be the job of , 15:23:32 I'm surprised this Stack Overflow post doesn't use graphemes... 15:23:35 not something the user should have to do. 15:23:48 It could easily convert UTF-16 to codepoint numbers, although it would also be possible for the font metric file to include that too 15:24:03 The font metric file probably shouldn't include it 15:24:31 because that's not the font metric file's job. The font metric file's supposed to handle the unicode combining char mess. 15:24:31 `len NΘ stop the an​*̶͑̾̾​̅ͫ͏̙̤g͇̫͛͆̾ͫ̑͆l͖͉̗̩̳̟̍ͫͥͨe̠̅s ͎a̧͈͖r̽̾̈́͒͑e n​ot rè̑ͧ̌aͨl̘̝̙̃ͤ͂̾̆ ZA̡͊͠͝LGΌ ISͮ̂҉̯͈͕̹̘̱ TO͇̹̺ͅƝ̴ȳ̳ TH̘Ë͖́̉ ͠P̯͍̭O̚​N̐Y̡ H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ 15:24:34 69 graphemes \ 224 codepoints \ 392 UTF-8 bytes 15:25:08 I'm making a list of things to do once my exams are over (after next Friday 15:25:10 ) 15:25:15 xfix:"No stop the animes are not real, zalgo is tiny thepo new york?" 15:25:31 xfix:That's my best understanding of it 15:25:57 *tony the pony 15:26:15 also *angles 15:26:29 zzo38: You could say it's easy to convert UTF-8 to Unicode codepoints, but if they're extending their definition of char to be 16-bit, why stop at 16-bit? 15:26:32 and animes are real hth 15:26:42 *he comes, really do you not know our lord and destroyer zalgo? 15:27:16 `? zalgo 15:27:18 Well, grapheme cluster detection seems to work, so here is that. 15:27:18 zalgo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:27:26 hmm, that used up a lot of bytes 15:27:32 nope, never heard of this "zalgo" 15:27:52 Yes I agree it isn't really the job of the font metric file, although it would be possible for example if it is a font format and program for non-Unicode 16-bit characters but the font is a Unicode font. (My "X 12" specification deals with Unicode in exactly this way, although the client that loads the font has to explicitly enable ligatures if it is to use this feature, and the server is not required to support it anyways.) 15:28:42 T̢̯̭o̭͡ ̨͙͉̟̲͓̬̟i̢n͓̮͈̗͜v̵̦o̗k̞̮̟͠e̱̻̼̳̭͙̬ ̩̳̠t͇̜̖̲͉̱̘h̗̥̫̹͓e͈̱̱͇ ̥h̻͜ͅi̹̬v҉͚͖̮̻͉̰ͅe̸͉ͅ-̥͍̯̬̖̯m͞i̥̪͝n҉̻̘̞̻̳d͙͇͎̗̟̖ ̰͔̣͈r͚͍͜e͘p͕̞ŗ̦̫͉̥̙̲ͅḛ͙̟̺̤̻͝s̯̣͎͈͖̺͘e̜̥̭̟̻̙͔͞n͓t̰i̩ṉ͕͉̼̭͍̜g̸̬ ̡c̸̞̰̩̼h̴̼a̗̜̥͍̩̖o͔̳̹̱̱͈̦s̪̤̕.̸͖̘ 15:28:42 ͕̲̹̠͙I̛͚̯͎n͎̼͚̻̞v͖̹̙̝̩o̢̻͎͙k͙͉̩i̱n̵̫g͉̠̦̬̺̩̹͡ ͔͕̯͓͖t̷̜̦ͅh҉͖̰e̱̙͍ ̺͎̬̺͘f̮̤̰͉e̥̞̞̣̰͈͠e҉̻ͅl̹̙̣̬͙̰i̲n̠͔̗g̵̻̰ ̲̬̪̗͎͓o̟̝̳f̼̘͜ ̹̻̻͔̣̲̻c̱̫̟̘̲͕h̹͙̲a̯̪͉͔̥o̭̲̼̰̟̤̕s.̤̞ 15:28:42 ̞̹̜̭̺W̵̲̠i͎͇̻͓̫͍t͓̗̲̟̬̗h̜͞ ͉̞̯͕͇o̱̟̫̖ͅut ̤̲̣͙͕̲ͅor͖̮̫̤͍͘d̻͚̜͇͇̳͠e̬̙̦͚̺r̻. 15:28:42 ̹̥̻̭T̖͓̣̫h͚̰͞e̱̩̦͎ͅ ̨͚̤̞N͔͘e̶̻̗͔̠̦z͍̮̰͉pe̦̼͇̮͠r̲̣̗͞d͕i̮̳̳͢a̼̬̳n͖̥͡ ͚͚̭́h̷͎͎̳͇iv̶̫͖̫̟̠̭e̟̳̹-̗̺m̵i͙͈̳̤̝ͅn͕͙̜͙͟d̜̘ ̡̤̯̭̪͖̮o̩͖̳̳ͅf͓̼̮̮ ͎c͘ḩ̮a̸̜ͅo̹͇̯͈͞s̟͔̜̪.̩̠̜͉̞̩ ̢͚͇̤Z̫̯̮̝̖a͙̱͓͡l̥̱̠̩̭̻͟g̭̯̣̤̰̼o̝̭̻͔̩͖̲͝.̗̪̺̲͙̱̕ 15:28:42 ̵̳͍̝͙H̶͈̫̯e̪̱̻̕ ̛̱͕̯͔w͔̦̩̲͈̝ͅh͏̳̲̱o̠̤͍̦͘ ̳͖̹͎̖̳͠W͝a̝̭̺̝̺̟͉i͓̫̜̳͓̼̫t͓͙̘̻͚͜ͅs͉ ̧B̫̭è̝̝h͚̞̘̭̩i̯̦̩̝̮̦̼n͚͕̕d̥͓͙͓̘͢ ̟͚T͎̰͓̫͢h̲̩̯̦̭͠e̙͇̭̳̺ͅ ̞͙̠W̴̮͙a̡̲͉̖̪̮̜ll̶͇̮̻.̢̲̜͉̠͚̘ 15:28:43 ͏͍͉͉̞Z̠A̗̩̜͍͙͠L͉͕̠̖G̸̞̟͕̱͎O̻̺!̪͓͈͎ 15:28:44 -!- Human_61 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:28:47 zzo38: "X 12"? 15:29:07 gamemanj: Of course you don't have to stop and 16-bits. An implementation I wrote supports 36-bit codepoints when converting from/to UTF-8. 15:29:10 *Reacts gamemanj with tht* 15:29:15 ??? 15:29:23 gamemanj: It is meant to be the successor of X 11 15:29:48 moon__: Fine, you want to go ahead and confuse me? Fine. then i // shall confuse you 15:30:01 T͆̈́ͮ̌҉͔̯̞͚̲̗͈̼̕͝ỏ̫̟͖̱̪͔̻̥͕̙͈ͬ͌̀̀̚̕͢ ̒ͧͮͬͥ͂ͣ͑ͬ͗̂̎̓҉̸̢̦̯̲̳͞ͅi͙͚͎͙͖͐̉̐͆ͯ͢͡͠n̷͔͖̰͖̰̝̹̪̗̖͔̺̤͖̽̈̍̆͗̑̽͑͆̒̽͊͊̅ͥ̔̚͠v̡͙͇̻͍̼̩̮͎͈̝̘̬̻̭̖̈́͗ͫ̄ͭ̓͌͌ͯ̏ͫͮ͐̑̀͠o̧ͪ̏ͤ̀̈̔̐̿ͯ͂ͨ́͞҉͙̰̲͚̥̭̗͍̘̭͔̯k̶͆͆ͬͫ̃ͤͦ͗̓ͧ͡͏͍̫̞̼͍̠͇̙͖̺̝̦̼̘͜͞ͅë́̒ 15:30:01 ̷͔̥̟͈̳̝̫̜̺̹͒ͦ͒̊̑ͨ̒͋̈́̄́͘͜͡ ̢̛̬̻̱̹̻̯̪̊̔ͥ̑̽͂̀͠͠t̙̩̤͉̘̻͙̗̟͎͈̯͙͐̎͗ͩ̋̓ͪ̉͂̓ͯ̂͢h̃̊ͥ̄̄̅̾ͥ̏ͭ҉̭̣̩̮̝̦́̕͞e̡̺̦̠̦̩̖̅͐͒̾̎̐͌ͥͮ̒͋ͩ͑͛͒̔̆́̚̚͟͟ ̷̸̜̠̩̜̥̭̟̍͒̏̍ͤ͆͑ͥ͟͞͞ȟ̡̩̺̩͔̦̖̀̂̊ͯ̊̈ị͚̣̪̲̥̖͈̼̪̗̓̈̅̎̒̈́̑̐͐͗͐͠v̛̰̭̟̪̹̌ͪ̂̈́̽ͥͤ̔ͮ͠͞ͅ 15:30:01 è̴̴̷̺͎̺̖͇̻̻͇͙̳̪͓̬͇͇̹̮̯̮ͯ̈́ͩͥ́̚-̷̷͖̖̮͈̞̪͚͔͍̯̠̼̠̮͙̾̔̍͌ͧ͡m̨̙̖̩̺̭̲̥̩͔̱̞̣̠̉̎ͤ͌̋͌̄ͬ͐ͪ͋͊ͦ̔͋̚͢͠͡į͒̇̑͑̊͊ͣͬ͐ͭ͋͏̧̘̰̼̯̮̲͖͟n̴̪͚̞̣̙̫̜̖̖̪̭̋ͧͫ͌̐̃̾̄̍ͨ͆ͧ̂̋̊ͥͬ͛͌͝͠d̵̴̸͍̖̗͈̗̯͈͎͈͔͕̲̐̒̈ͬ̽̀̋̀͞ ͗͊̒ͨ̍̍̈́̂̉҉̸̞͎͚̞͎̫̱̹͇̯̭͞r͒͌͛͌͑͠҉̣ 15:30:01 ͚͎͙͚̭e̠͕̳͈̱̬̽̍ͩ̑ͩ͆̃̀̕͟p̨͉̲̖͇̊ͨ̽ͩ̐͑ͯͦ̀͠͡r̴̷͔̱̹̪̺͓̲̠̙̼̱͇ͣ̒̉̔͐͂ͯ̐ͧͫ͌ͯ͋̌͟͝e̴̴̻̤͇͍͕͖̳̮͎̣̟ͬͭͨ̒͗ͮ̂͛̈̋ͦ̋̎̀́s͋͐ͤ̐̈́̿ͣ̒̐̿̉ͥ͏͖̤͖͔̫͙͔̻͈̖͙͕̜̱̜͟ͅẹ̸̛̥̦̟̳̟̗̺͖̳̥͚̜̟̮̳̱̥ͦͪ̄ͭ̈͑̐͂̏̀́n͒͗ͫ̂ͣͮ̈́͌̃ͭ̈̉ͯ͛̄ͨ̔̊ͮ́҉̲̙̹͎̗͔̣̙̦̭̪̘̖t̔ͩ͂̈ͮ̚ 15:30:01 ͒͐̓ͦͤ̐̾͐̚͢҉̶̺͇̬̹̻͇̗͖͎̗̯͓͙̹̻̠͉͢ͅi͍̲̝͕̠̹͈͈̪̠̖̮̜ͨ̾ͧ̐̐͛ͣ͂̈͒ͫ̚̕͟͞ṇ̢̢̫͖̼̦͓̤̬̱̱͂ͫ̑̀́ͣ̎̅̊ͫ̏͆̃̇̈́͛ͧ̀ģ͙͎̯̲̟̥̯̞̝̙̫̹̤̭͖̬̙̍ͨ̇̌̀͐̾̿ͫ ̷͔̻̹͉̗͉̀̒̄͑̽̾͌̾̑͊́̍̃̃ͪ́́ͅċ̨̾ͫ̃̽ͬ̊̌ͤ̂̆̂͗͌ͭ̀͊̚͘͏͕̫̮̭̱̙͇͙̩̦̙͕̠ḩ̢͐͑ͭ̄̊̔͑́ͣ͗̒ͫ͛̒ͪͯ́̚ 15:30:01 ͔͎͔̗̫̮͓̱̺̯̭̻a̢̡̤̖͎͍̞̪͋͒̏́ͥ̎̽ͬ͘̕o̵͙̦̺͙̮̗͚̪̟̪̻̥̬ͯͭ́̌̇ͩ͐̓ͯ̈̚͞s̢̛̬̪̩̜̮̬̬̺̺̼͕̬̯̠̮̫̾̔ͤ̓̓̀ͤ͒̒̓͐̿́͜͝.̢̠̭̖͕̪͍̬͔̥̯͉̬̫̞̝̩̭̪̉͗ͤ͂̽ͨͯ̑̐ͮ͌ͦ̚͡ 15:30:02 ̸̛̩͍͚͉͖̰̘͙̮̻͉̺̗̯̙̰̈́͊͋̓̐̚͘̕ͅI̓ͣ͑̅ͤ́̓ͮ̑҉̠̠͎̜̟̘̩͎̲̩͜ň̦͙̬͓̗̘̗̗̭͉̠̪ͣ̉̆̓ͯ̃͐̎̒̆͗̇̓̅̊̂͋̕͘̕͠v̢̹̹͓̼̱͔͚̭͓̮̲͍̖̬̣̄͊͒́̅͐̓ͮ͋ͥͮ̇̃͋ͨ́ͅǫ̣̺̮̣̹͙̮̣̞͈͈̉̍ͧ̒̆͗̓ͨ͛͋̐̆͛͜kͭͥͬ̎ͤ̀́͊̀̇̆̏͊҉̧̝̩̬̹̯̦̻͎̣̗͈͉̜͜͠ͅi̡̋̉̐̃́͑͆̔́ͬͦ͆҉̵҉̻̲̭̦̰̼̜͡ 15:30:02 ͓̰͈͙̺̝̳͓n͕̱̯̫͙͓̫͇̪͋͊͗̈́̄ͥ͗͛͒̿͑ͮ͋͟g̵͓͙̣̥̪̞͙͖͕̝̼̱̅͛ͧ̆ͩ̑̃̓͐̂͒̆̑ͭ̽͛̀̀͜ ̢̡̞̳̥̻̺̹͙̰̘̖͉̫͈̳̣͚̙͈̝̃ͯ̍̔̕͜t̨̪̖̳̖͚̱̗̘̦̫̳̏̋̏ͨͨh̠̘̲̙͕̘̩̮̞̿̃ͬͣ̈̓̈̈́̄͘͡ȩ̴͚͇̱̯͍̒ͯͣ̑̆̇̍͛͑̌͆̚͜͞ ͈̪̥͕̦͈͉̦͉͙̬̟̺̓͊ͭ̅̀̈́̌̽͂̄̔̄͐̈ͦ̀͠͡ͅf̵̑̉͆̓͋ͬ͐̉͆҉̷̸̩͎̤̜̠̺̘̱͝ 15:30:03 ͚͕̰̰͖̪͙ę̶̶̖̜͉̬̘̬̞̱͓̳̘͖̗̬̣̦̀̈͂ͭ͌̊̔̽e̶͂ͮ̅͛͗ͭ̽͗̇́̃̽̑̃̚͏̱͍͈̥̀l̛̛͙͓̘̗̲͍̺̹̣̝͊ͦ͗̈̂̌ͭͦͥ̓̂̀̌̉̈́̆̔́͂͜͜i̵̵̧͖̞̤̱̺̜̭ͣ̅̐̂̓̂̐ͣ̾̚͟n̶ͪ̍ͭͪ͋ͧ͂͋̽̅͆ͦ͗͌͏̻͚̳͖͍̻̻͉̫͎g̡̫̜̫̮̳̦͕͔͉͎ͪ̿̈͌ͭ̅̃ͫ͒̊̃ͦ̊ͪ̆̂͠ͅ ̷̜̙̤̼͂̆̿̄̇̃̾̽̑̑̉̾͆̍͊͗͘ô̴̠̅̈́ͩ̾͒̃ͤͮ̈ͨ̓ 15:30:03 ͕̤̘̖̣̬̣̖̦̞̯̣͍̜̠̼f̷̧̣̩ͨ̌ͥͧͯ͒́̋͗͛̽̍̉ͤ͟͠͞ͅ ̨̨̊̓ͮ͌̈ͥ́̐̀̒͐ͮͪ͊̽̏̀ͬ̍͏̵̡̠̫̲͚͚̱͕̺̟̦͓̳c̷̗̻̱̦̩ͨ̽ͯ͌̑̽̅̊̌̅̕͠͡h̵̨͇͍͈̻̯͚̙̗̜͑ͭ̈́ͧ̋ͭͬ̉ͫ͆ͭ̚͢͝å͛͒ͬͨ̉̀͒͌ͣ͑̈́͘͏̘͈̥̟̦̝ơ̢̦̬̤̪̙̘̪̥̤͔̞͔̩̹̘͎͈͂ͭͩͦ̅̉ͫ̂ͧ͗ͭ̎͋̌ͬ͟͡͠s̴̴̛ͬ͗̋̓ͭͦ̿̅ͦ̏̀ͫ̊̒ͯ͊͑̈ͪ́ 15:30:04 ͖̙̙̠͈͞.̛ͩ̉ͧ͑͊̒̕͠҉̺̪̦̘̩ 15:30:04 ̧̨̨̙̟̞̯͔͓̤̞͙̗̹̞̱̝̭̗̽̾́ͯ̑ͥͩͭͦ̃̀͢W̵̵̢̼͉͍̝̽̂̾̅̈́̈̚͘ȋͩͪ̆͋ͣ̊ͤ̒̋̋̚͜͢͏̝̹͕͍̞͕̙͕͇̦͔̠̦ṯ̡̘͖̮̖̬͎̗ͦͧͮ̽͗͂ͩ̉̈̓ͭ̚͘͢ḥ̷̣̲̬̖̟̤̣͙̟͖̟̙̝̝̭̝̭̣̈̃̈͌͒͋̋ͦͫ͆̏̍́́͘ ̽ͣ͌ͦ̉͊ͣ̅͆ͬ̽͑҉̶̪̜͙̣̯̮̰̰̥ͅo̅̀ͩ͊̽̅͛̌ͧ̔͑ͮ̄͑̾͟͟͠͏͚͙̣̹̹̖͙̺̦̞̹̘̺u͛͂͐ͣ̐͏̧ 15:30:05 ͔̗̘͔͔̝̼̘ť̂̐͗̋҉̸̧͇̻͓̝̙̣̫̗͇̩̝̠̲̀͘ͅͅ ͚͚͙̖̦̟̭̞̉́̎̇̂̌͑ͣ̀́͢o̷̧̺̬̠̝͕͙̙̲̰̼͚͔̺̫̣̻̽ͤͬ͗̑ͪͫrͦ̇͛ͧ̓͋̽̐ͪͣͤ̓ͭͨͩ̓҉̷̢͎͕̣̪͕͔̣̮̜͈͈̫̤̤̰͜͜ͅd̵̡̼̠̪̠͌͊̑̏ͬͥ͑ͬ̿ͨ̉̀ͮ̀̀̚̕ę͍͍̦̬̼͊̆̃̍͘͟͟͜r͕̲̖̫͕̪̫̪̗͖̼͕̠͑̈́ͥͪ̆ͦ͂̿̋͛̿͆͋̅̅̉̕͘͠.͆ͩ̎ͭ͂̎̊ͫ́̔̒̎͂ 15:30:05 ̛̝̦̟̻̣͖̩̥̫̗̤͝͝ͅ 15:30:06 ͨͭ̿̐ͩ̃̇ͫͨ̃̈́͆͆͛̉ͬ̆҉҉̨̞̲͕̮͖̗͙͟͡T̸̛͚̘͎̱̠͓̼͍̠̠͚̅̍̇͂̄̆̄͊̅̒̋̍͟͝h̷̛̛̫̼̗͙̉ͧͥ̉ͪ̋̿ͮ̃̎ͪͭ̈̀ȅ̸̯͚̣̦̲̻͕̳̯̼̣̋ͯ̾͂̓ͯ͌ͦ̃ͯ͌ͩ̿̈́͢ ̷̛̳̫͙̔̽̾̂̊̚̕͜N͌̔̊̀͐͌̏ͦͪ͂̐ͭ̏̂́̿̄҉͇̙͖͙̙̪̕ę̶̶̥̰͖̲̗̱̩͑͂̐̇̈́́ͮͪ͑̔͛̕͟ẑ̧̦͖̥̜̹̻̞̤̩̄̓̋̉̄̑ͤͫ͋̄ͯͪͬ̐͂̈͆ 15:30:06 p̷̵̧̪͍̳͎̜̝͔͎̼̔̔̒ͤ̋͌ͨ̌ͨ͊͘ͅe̖̭̭͚̣͎̟̮̙ͦ̾̎̏͛͆ͯͧ̅̿̓ͥͬͮ͐̀̄̅ͪ͠r̨̢̔ͫ̀ͮ̍̋ͦ̉ͦ̚͏̗̲̯̰́ͅd̸̷̖̟͍͍̯̯͇̻̟̠̘̗̍ͪ̄͐̈́ͤ̃̉́̕͠ï̡̪̙͈̹̪̞͇̺͖͚̟̬̟̗̟̻͓̱̏ͮ̾̃̊͛ͬ̈́ͯ̀ͭ͛̃ͮ̾̀ͤ͢͡aͪ͑͒̈ͯ̅̇̈́͒̀ͭ̇ͮ͝҉̴̡̩͔̙͕͍͇̟̟͎̙̘̳̙̦͉͍͇̞͘ǹ̡̖̠̦͖̠̞̦̣͍̦̯̮̳̭̮ͪ̃ͯͯ̓̂ͣ͊̿̔̐ 15:30:06 ow 15:30:10 ow 15:30:11 my head 15:30:12 `len 😊 ⃠ 15:30:14 2 graphemes \ 3 codepoints \ 4 Java characters \ 8 UTF-8 bytes 15:30:24 `len T͆̈́ͮ̌҉͔̯̞͚̲̗͈̼̕͝ỏ̫̟͖̱̪͔̻̥͕̙͈ͬ͌̀̀̚̕͢ ̒ͧͮͬͥ͂ͣ͑ͬ͗̂̎̓҉̸̢̦̯̲̳͞ͅi͙͚͎͙͖͐̉̐͆ͯ͢͡͠n̷͔͖̰͖̰̝̹̪̗̖͔̺̤͖̽̈̍̆͗̑̽͑͆̒̽͊͊̅ͥ̔̚͠v̡͙͇̻͍̼̩̮͎͈̝̘̬̻̭̖̈́͗ͫ̄ͭ̓͌͌ͯ̏ͫͮ͐̑̀͠o̧ͪ̏ͤ̀̈̔̐̿ͯ͂ͨ́͞҉͙̰̲͚̥̭̗͍̘̭͔̯k̶͆͆ͬͫ̃ͤͦ͗̓ͧ͡͏͍̫̞̼͍̠͇̙͖̺̝̦̼̘͜͞ͅë́̒ 15:30:25 9 graphemes \ 203 codepoints \ 397 UTF-8 bytes 15:30:32 Wow. 15:31:48 moon__: -... -- . .- -.. .-.. .-.. -.. .- . -- -... 15:31:59 Thts obviously morse code 15:32:03 `len T̸̛͚̘͎̱̠͓̼͍̠̠͚̅̍̇͂̄̆̄͊̅̒̋̍͟͝h̷̛̛̫̼̗͙̉ͧͥ̉ͪ̋̿ͮ̃̎ͪͭ̈̀ȅ̸̯͚̣̦̲̻͕̳̯̼̣̋ͯ̾͂̓ͯ͌ͦ̃ͯ͌ͩ̿̈́͢ ̷̛̳̫͙̔̽̾̂̊̚̕͜N͌̔̊̀͐͌̏ͦͪ͂̐ͭ̏̂́̿̄҉͇̙͖͙̙̪̕ę̶̶̥̰͖̲̗̱̩͑͂̐̇̈́́ͮͪ͑̔͛̕͟ẑ̧̦͖̥̜̹̻̞̤̩̄̓̋̉̄̑ͤͫ͋̄ͯͪͬ̐͂̈͆p̷̵̧̪͍̳͎̜̝͔͎̼̔̔̒ͤ̋͌ͨ̌ͨ͊͘ͅeͦ̾̎̏ 15:32:03 ̖̭̭͚̣͎̟̮̙͛͆ͯͧ̅̿̓ͥͬͮ͐̀̄̅ͪ͠r̨̢̔ͫ̀ͮ̍̋ͦ̉ͦ̚͏̗̲̯̰́ͅd̸̷̖̟͍͍̯̯͇̻̟̠̘̗̍ͪ̄͐̈́ͤ̃̉́̕͠ï̡̪̙͈̹̪̞͇̺͖͚̟̬̟̗̟̻͓̱̏ͮ̾̃̊͛ͬ̈́ͯ̀ͭ͛̃ͮ̾̀ͤ͢͡aͪ͑͒̈ͯ̅̇̈́͒̀ͭ̇ͮ͝҉̴̡̩͔̙͕͍͇̟̟͎̙̘̳̙̦͉͍͇̞͘ǹ̡̖̠̦͖̠̞̦̣͍̦̯̮̳̭̮ͪ̃ͯͯ̓̂ͣ͊̿̔̐ ̴̨͚̘̬̫̮̳̣̦̰̻͇̈͐̄̈́̒ͪ̍͊̑̑̃ 15:32:03 ͓̼̯͓̘ḩ̸̝͖͉̰̳̺̪͖͕̩̲͇ͮ͂ͩͤͭ̓̃ͥ̀͘͝ȋ̸̧̫̙̠͔͍͇̣̜̠̩͓̟̬̜̰̲̫̲͕̄ͨ̇̓͗͂ͪ̂͌ͧ͛̚v̶̸̧̹͙̼͙̽ͮ̐ͯ͗ͮ͘͜ȩ̣̩̫̜͈͙̦͕̙̭͆͊͊̃̏͑̑́̀-̞̹͖̰̘̱̦͊ͥ̏ͭ̎͂̅̂̉͟͞m̑̐̋͊͛ͩ̍̈́̕҉̥̰̟̺̝̭̤̥i̧̎̂͗͛̾ͫ͐ͧ̓ͥ̋̊̓͘҉̡̛̩̩̣͚̯̪̙͓n̬̭̥̭̖̜͍̟͍͕͎̪̟̽̅̀͑̉̓͊̿̉͂͊̓̀ͦ͞͞d͗̂̋ͫ̄̒̎̽ͩ͋̔͊̆̔̃ͭ 15:32:03 ̵̧͒̔͏̠̯̜͔͕͇̗͚͎̫̘͖͕̺̮͔̕͢ ̶̢̝̲̪̞̩̙̯̗̣͎̮̝̗͈̰̒ͨ͒̈́ͥͭ̎͑͗́ͣͪͪ̎͂͋̕͞o̢̮̮̮̜̺̣̳̞̦̙̲̜̰̫ͫ̄̆̈̒́́̕fͥ̅͛͗̿́͏̷̜̮̦̭̭̘̦̳̭͞ ̧̼̟̣̪̯̳̻̠̱̓̃͐͊͐̏c̬̲̟̹̠͇̭̣̩͖͇̥͈̅̐̑̉͋̆͊̄͗̒͌͜͠h̸̨̡̗̠̮̦̞̭̗̣̹̯͉͍̳̔ͫ͛̋̈ͤ̈͟͡a̷̢͕̥̮͉̲͙̭̜̟͎͉ͥͭ͌́̀̄ͫ̎͂ͩ͆ͪo̵̵̸̴̘̠̮̎ͣ̈́̓ͤͧ̾ͥ͆̈́͋̂ͩͪ̀̈́ͪ 15:32:03 ͔̭̞s̯̻̻̥͓̘͖̩̦̞̭͈͇͎̝͍͖ͥͦ͐̈́̔͂ͤͧͨ̎͢ͅͅ.̃ͭ̓ͫ̒̃̊ͭ̓̉̌҉̵̩͕̥͍̘̥͕̀ ̶̴͍͕͔ͤ̔ͯ̽͌̎̔ͭ͌̾̏͛̽̿͋̌͆Z̡̡̛̗̙̳̭̗̬̘̫̬̺̺̺̜͎͎͈̻͚̱ͭ̊̂̊ͥ̽̃̽ͩ̂̀͜͠a̷̛͚͓̗̙̟̰̠̰͔̦̰̰͚͂͊ͥͫ̎ͮͧ̔̾̾̑̑ͯ́l̷̡̛̛͔̩̲̦͉͔̜͉̼͍̺̳̩̭̘̲̱͓̐ͦͤ̊͊ͪ̐ͫ̌͜g̀̓̃ͫͭͩͦ̓҉̴̷̝̤̳̤̞̬͈̜͎oͤ̑ͮ 15:32:04 ͕͚̙͎͍̥̭͗̂̍͠.̻͈̝̠͚̺̬̰͉̺̣̠͓̬̗̬̉ͦͤͯͧ͛͐̇ͪͤͭ̏̔̀̚͟͡ 15:32:06 9 graphemes \ 202 codepoints \ 395 UTF-8 bytes 15:32:38 moon__: Hmm. I see. 15:33:10 wait 15:33:19 moon__: But, in any case... can you handle this?  15:33:36 (No, I don't know what it will be on your screen. That's part of the fun!) 15:33:40 the current motd states 'Contains only free ranging moons' Yay 15:34:08 `len ? 15:34:09 1 codepoint 15:34:26 `len T͆̈́ͮ̌҉͔̯̞͚̲̗͈̼̕͝ỏ̫̟͖̱̪͔̻̥͕̙͈ͬ͌̀̀̚̕͢ ̒ͧͮͬͥ͂ͣ͑ͬ͗̂̎̓҉̸̢̦̯̲̳͞ͅi͙͚͎͙͖͐̉̐͆ͯ͢͡͠n̷͔͖̰͖̰̝̹̪̗̖͔̺̤͖̽̈̍̆͗̑̽͑͆̒̽͊͊̅ͥ̔̚͠v̡͙͇̻͍̼̩̮͎͈̝̘̬̻̭̖̈́͗ͫ̄ͭ̓͌͌ͯ̏ͫͮ͐̑̀͠o̧ͪ̏ͤ̀̈̔̐̿ͯ͂ͨ́͞҉͙̰̲͚̥̭̗͍̘̭͔̯k̶͆͆ͬͫ̃ͤͦ͗̓ͧ͡͏͍̫̞̼͍̠͇̙͖̺̝̦̼̘͜͞ͅ 15:34:26 ë̷͔̥̟͈̳̝̫̜̺̹́̒͒ͦ͒̊̑ͨ̒͋̈́̄́͘͜͡ ̢̛̬̻̱̹̻̯̪̊̔ͥ̑̽͂̀͠͠t̙̩̤͉̘̻͙̗̟͎͈̯͙͐̎͗ͩ̋̓ͪ̉͂̓ͯ̂͢h̃̊ͥ̄̄̅̾ͥ̏ͭ҉̭̣̩̮̝̦́̕͞e̡̺̦̠̦̩̖̅͐͒̾̎̐͌ͥͮ̒͋ͩ͑͛͒̔̆́̚̚͟͟ ̷̸̜̠̩̜̥̭̟̍͒̏̍ͤ͆͑ͥ͟͞͞ȟ̡̩̺̩͔̦̖̀̂̊ͯ̊̈ị͚̣̪̲̥̖͈̼̪̗̓̈̅̎̒̈́̑̐͐͗͐͠v̛̰̭̟̪̹̌ͪ̂̈́̽ͥͤ̔ͮ͠͞ͅ 15:34:26 è̴̴̷̺͎̺̖͇̻̻͇͙̳̪͓̬͇͇̹̮̯̮ͯ̈́ͩͥ́̚-̷̷͖̖̮͈̞̪͚͔͍̯̠̼̠̮͙̾̔̍͌ͧ͡m̨̙̖̩̺̭̲̥̩͔̱̞̣̠̉̎ͤ͌̋͌̄ͬ͐ͪ͋͊ͦ̔͋̚͢͠͡į͒̇̑͑̊͊ͣͬ͐ͭ͋͏̧̘̰̼̯̮̲͖͟n̴̪͚̞̣̙̫̜̖̖̪̭̋ͧͫ͌̐̃̾̄̍ͨ͆ͧ̂̋̊ͥͬ͛͌͝͠d̵̴̸͍̖̗͈̗̯͈͎͈͔͕̲̐̒̈ͬ̽̀̋̀͞ ͗͊̒ͨ̍̍̈́̂̉҉̸̞͎͚̞͎̫̱̹͇̯̭͞r͒͌͛͌͑͠҉̣ 15:34:26 ͚͎͙͚̭e̠͕̳͈̱̬̽̍ͩ̑ͩ͆̃̀̕͟p̨͉̲̖͇̊ͨ̽ͩ̐͑ͯͦ̀͠͡r̴̷͔̱̹̪̺͓̲̠̙̼̱͇ͣ̒̉̔͐͂ͯ̐ͧͫ͌ͯ͋̌͟͝e̴̴̻̤͇͍͕͖̳̮͎̣̟ͬͭͨ̒͗ͮ̂͛̈̋ͦ̋̎̀́s͋͐ͤ̐̈́̿ͣ̒̐̿̉ͥ͏͖̤͖͔̫͙͔̻͈̖͙͕̜̱̜͟ͅẹ̸̛̥̦̟̳̟̗̺͖̳̥͚̜̟̮̳̱̥ͦͪ̄ͭ̈͑̐͂̏̀́n͒͗ͫ̂ͣͮ̈́͌̃ͭ̈̉ͯ͛̄ͨ̔̊ͮ́҉̲̙̹͎̗͔̣̙̦̭̪̘̖t̔ͩ͂̈ͮ̚ 15:34:26 ͒͐̓ͦͤ̐̾͐̚͢҉̶̺͇̬̹̻͇̗͖͎̗̯͓͙̹̻̠͉͢ͅi͍̲̝͕̠̹͈͈̪̠̖̮̜ͨ̾ͧ̐̐͛ͣ͂̈͒ͫ̚̕͟͞ṇ̢̢̫͖̼̦͓̤̬̱̱͂ͫ̑̀́ͣ̎̅̊ͫ̏͆̃̇̈́͛ͧ̀ģ͙͎̯̲̟̥̯̞̝̙̫̹̤̭͖̬̙̍ͨ̇̌̀͐̾̿ͫ ̷͔̻̹͉̗͉̀̒̄͑̽̾͌̾̑͊́̍̃̃ͪ́́ͅċ̨̾ͫ̃̽ͬ̊̌ͤ̂̆̂͗͌ͭ̀͊̚͘͏͕̫̮̭̱̙͇͙̩̦̙͕̠ḩ̢͐͑ͭ̄̊̔͑́ͣ͗̒ͫ͛̒ͪͯ́̚ 15:34:27 ͔͎͔̗̫̮͓̱̺̯̭̻a̢̡̤̖͎͍̞̪͋͒̏́ͥ̎̽ͬ͘̕o̵͙̦̺͙̮̗͚̪̟̪̻̥̬ͯͭ́̌̇ͩ͐̓ͯ̈̚͞s̢̛̬̪̩̜̮̬̬̺̺̼͕̬̯̠̮̫̾̔ͤ̓̓̀ͤ͒̒̓͐̿́͜͝.̢̠̭̖͕̪͍̬͔̥̯͉̬̫̞̝̩̭̪̉͗ͤ͂̽ͨͯ̑̐ͮ͌ͦ̚͡ 15:34:27 ̸̛̩͍͚͉͖̰̘͙̮̻͉̺̗̯̙̰̈́͊͋̓̐̚͘̕ͅI̓ͣ͑̅ͤ́̓ͮ̑҉̠̠͎̜̟̘̩͎̲̩͜ň̦͙̬͓̗̘̗̗̭͉̠̪ͣ̉̆̓ͯ̃͐̎̒̆͗̇̓̅̊̂͋̕͘̕͠v̢̹̹͓̼̱͔͚̭͓̮̲͍̖̬̣̄͊͒́̅͐̓ͮ͋ͥͮ̇̃͋ͨ́ͅǫ̣̺̮̣̹͙̮̣̞͈͈̉̍ͧ̒̆͗̓ͨ͛͋̐̆͛͜kͭͥͬ̎ͤ̀́͊̀̇̆̏͊҉̧̝̩̬̹̯̦̻͎̣̗͈͉̜͜͠ͅi̡̋̉̐̃́͑͆̔́ͬͦ͆҉̵҉̻̲̭̦̰̼̜͡ 15:34:27 8 graphemes \ 199 codepoints \ 390 UTF-8 bytes 15:34:28 ͓̰͈͙̺̝̳͓n͕̱̯̫͙͓̫͇̪͋͊͗̈́̄ͥ͗͛͒̿͑ͮ͋͟g̵͓͙̣̥̪̞͙͖͕̝̼̱̅͛ͧ̆ͩ̑̃̓͐̂͒̆̑ͭ̽͛̀̀͜ ̢̡̞̳̥̻̺̹͙̰̘̖͉̫͈̳̣͚̙͈̝̃ͯ̍̔̕͜t̨̪̖̳̖͚̱̗̘̦̫̳̏̋̏ͨͨh̠̘̲̙͕̘̩̮̞̿̃ͬͣ̈̓̈̈́̄͘͡ȩ̴͚͇̱̯͍̒ͯͣ̑̆̇̍͛͑̌͆̚͜͞ ͈̪̥͕̦͈͉̦͉͙̬̟̺̓͊ͭ̅̀̈́̌̽͂̄̔̄͐̈ͦ̀͠͡ͅf̵̑̉͆̓͋ͬ͐̉͆҉̷̸̩͎̤̜̠̺̘̱͝ 15:34:28 ͚͕̰̰͖̪͙ę̶̶̖̜͉̬̘̬̞̱͓̳̘͖̗̬̣̦̀̈͂ͭ͌̊̔̽e̶͂ͮ̅͛͗ͭ̽͗̇́̃̽̑̃̚͏̱͍͈̥̀l̛̛͙͓̘̗̲͍̺̹̣̝͊ͦ͗̈̂̌ͭͦͥ̓̂̀̌̉̈́̆̔́͂͜͜i̵̵̧͖̞̤̱̺̜̭ͣ̅̐̂̓̂̐ͣ̾̚͟n̶ͪ̍ͭͪ͋ͧ͂͋̽̅͆ͦ͗͌͏̻͚̳͖͍̻̻͉̫͎g̡̫̜̫̮̳̦͕͔͉͎ͪ̿̈͌ͭ̅̃ͫ͒̊̃ͦ̊ͪ̆̂͠ͅ ̷̜̙̤̼͂̆̿̄̇̃̾̽̑̑̉̾͆̍͊͗͘ô̴̠̅̈́ͩ̾͒̃ͤͮ̈ͨ̓ 15:34:29 ͕̤̘̖̣̬̣̖̦̞̯̣͍̜̠̼f̷̧̣̩ͨ̌ͥͧͯ͒́̋͗͛̽̍̉ͤ͟͠͞ͅ ̨̨̊̓ͮ͌̈ͥ́̐̀̒͐ͮͪ͊̽̏̀ͬ̍͏̵̡̠̫̲͚͚̱͕̺̟̦͓̳c̷̗̻̱̦̩ͨ̽ͯ͌̑̽̅̊̌̅̕͠͡h̵̨͇͍͈̻̯͚̙̗̜͑ͭ̈́ͧ̋ͭͬ̉ͫ͆ͭ̚͢͝å͛͒ͬͨ̉̀͒͌ͣ͑̈́͘͏̘͈̥̟̦̝ơ̢̦̬̤̪̙̘̪̥̤͔̞͔̩̹̘͎͈͂ͭͩͦ̅̉ͫ̂ͧ͗ͭ̎͋̌ͬ͟͡͠s̴̴̛ͬ͗̋̓ͭͦ̿̅ͦ̏̀ͫ̊̒ͯ͊͑̈ͪ́ 15:34:29 ͖̙̙̠͈͞.̛ͩ̉ͧ͑͊̒̕͠҉̺̪̦̘̩ 15:34:30 ̧̨̨̙̟̞̯͔͓̤̞͙̗̹̞̱̝̭̗̽̾́ͯ̑ͥͩͭͦ̃̀͢W̵̵̢̼͉͍̝̽̂̾̅̈́̈̚͘ȋͩͪ̆͋ͣ̊ͤ̒̋̋̚͜͢͏̝̹͕͍̞͕̙͕͇̦͔̠̦ṯ̡̘͖̮̖̬͎̗ͦͧͮ̽͗͂ͩ̉̈̓ͭ̚͘͢ḥ̷̣̲̬̖̟̤̣͙̟͖̟̙̝̝̭̝̭̣̈̃̈͌͒͋̋ͦͫ͆̏̍́́͘ ̽ͣ͌ͦ̉͊ͣ̅͆ͬ̽͑҉̶̪̜͙̣̯̮̰̰̥ͅo̅̀ͩ͊̽̅͛̌ͧ̔͑ͮ̄͑̾͟͟͠͏͚͙̣̹̹̖͙̺̦̞̹̘̺u͛͂ 15:34:30 ͐ͣ̐͏̧͔̗̘͔͔̝̼̘ť̂̐͗̋҉̸̧͇̻͓̝̙̣̫̗͇̩̝̠̲̀͘ͅͅ ͚͚͙̖̦̟̭̞̉́̎̇̂̌͑ͣ̀́͢o̷̧̺̬̠̝͕͙̙̲̰̼͚͔̺̫̣̻̽ͤͬ͗̑ͪͫrͦ̇͛ͧ̓͋̽̐ͪͣͤ̓ͭͨͩ̓҉̷̢͎͕̣̪͕͔̣̮̜͈͈̫̤̤̰͜͜ͅd̵̡̼̠̪̠͌͊̑̏ͬͥ͑ͬ̿ͨ̉̀ͮ̀̀̚̕ę͍͍̦̬̼͊̆̃̍͘͟͟͜r͕̲̖̫͕̪̫̪̗͖̼͕̠͑̈́ͥͪ̆ͦ͂̿̋͛̿͆͋̅̅̉̕͘͠.͆ͩ̎ͭ͂̎̊ͫ́̔̒̎͂ 15:34:31 ̛̝̦̟̻̣͖̩̥̫̗̤͝͝ͅ 15:34:41 moon... the smile is everywhere ﺕ 15:34:52 nice bracket smile 15:34:55 always happy ﻖ 15:35:08 loves butterflies ﻬ 15:35:12 moon__: i'm very tempted to quiet you 15:35:15 nice unicode smiles using the smae trick i did for the zalgo text 15:35:26 moon__: check len 15:35:38 `len ﺕ 15:35:41 1 codepoint \ 3 UTF-8 bytes 15:35:56 i might use that 15:35:57 thx 15:36:30 "And moon__ was happy in his discovery of the Arabic Presentation Forms-B block, and did not continue spamming." 15:36:36 "End narration." 15:36:51 `len 🇺🇸 15:36:52 2 codepoints \ 4 Java characters \ 8 UTF-8 bytes 15:37:02 Hm, it doesn't recognize a grapheme here... 15:37:06 `perl -v 15:37:08 ​ \ This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 88 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2011, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit 15:37:12 I see. 15:37:42 ̫̋ 15:37:45 Old Unicode database, oh well. 15:37:55 `unicode 🇺🇸 15:37:57 U+1F1FA REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER U \ UTF-8: f0 9f 87 ba UTF-16BE: d83cddfa Decimal: 🇺 \ 🇺 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+1F1F8 REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER S \ UTF-8: f0 9f 87 b8 UTF-16BE: d83cddf8 Decimal: 🇸 \ 🇸 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) 15:38:06 hmm. So would it technically be a legal problem if I downloaded perl from hackego, and who would it be a legal problem for? 15:38:15 Me for downloading it... or HackEgo for not distributing source? 15:38:44 (or is the source just somewhere I don't know about - perfectly possible) 15:38:51 GPL doesn't require the source code to be distributed, considering you don't get a binary. 15:38:58 But IANAL. 15:39:15 xfix: If I downloaded HackEgo's perl binary, 15:39:34 then I would have a binary, wouldn't I? 15:39:50 ̫̋ ̈̌ 15:39:50 `which perl 15:39:58 I also wrote a program "utftovlq" (I think an old version may be installed on HackEgo) that can deal with UTF-8 and UTF-16 as well as other stuff too. 15:39:59 ​/usr/bin/perl 15:40:23 That depends on whether "downloading a binary from HackEgo" counts as conveying, but I don't want to check that, as I'm not a lawyer. 15:40:58 it sounds like conveying ^.^; 15:41:09 but I am not a lawyer either. 15:41:31 By a series of pipes with utftovlq and wc you can do the same counting you did except for Unicode graphemes 15:42:35 gamemanj: HackEgo's perl is not in a spot that you can normally download. you could get around it of course, but it's not intended to be. 15:43:03 ̮̈ 15:43:19 although i suspect with all the cruft that's on it, HackEgo may already have plenty of copyright problems. 15:44:39 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later, anyway). 15:46:57 ̮̈ 15:46:58 ̴̮̘͔̰͙̽ͪ̔̓̃̊ͣ͛̽̈̿͒ͭ̎̌ͩ͝ 15:46:58 ̨͍̱̩͚̣̫͓͎̜̎̑͐̃͞ 15:46:58 ̶̴̬͓̫̣͎̬͈̮̖͈̟͕͔͇̔ͧ͑ͣ̑ͩͧ͛̐ͮ̿̇̎̐̽ͨ̄͑ͅͅ 15:46:58 ̸̈ͩͫͪͧ͂̈̎ͨͧ̓͑̑͘͢͡҉̜͇̙͔̣̼̗̯͍͉̯͓͉̖͉ 15:46:58 ̝̼̱͙̮͍͖̙̗̮̘͇̦̤̹̳͍̮͓̽ͬͦ́̅̽̈̈́͐̓ͧ̋̈́̅ͭ̄̎͘͘͢͡ 15:46:59 ̵̢͇̰̠̬̮̲̻̮͈͔͋́̏ͦͩͩ̅ͥ͢͟ͅ 15:46:59 ̴̢̮͖͔̯̻͙̼͖̪̰̲̟̦̘̩͙̅ͧͮ̃̍̆̅̊̄̅ͣ̄̾͛͌ 15:47:00 ̴̨̛͉̬̗̱̜͉͔̤̹̭͇̪͓̓ͯ̓̂̑ͭͧ̇̽̓ͭ͜ 15:47:00 ̸̨̰͕̜̪̪̖͔̺̮̲͓̪̘̳̻̯͎͛͗̾͌ͤ̑́ͭͣͦ̃̔ͨ̂ͭͮ̓̚̚͜ 15:47:01 ̸̬̻͇͇̯̲͎̫͔̔́͊̐ͮ͌ͪ̈́̂̉͞ 15:47:01 ̮̺̺̞̜̤̺̻̼̩̫̬̱̋͊̽̆̊̈́̑̀́ 15:47:02 ̵̸̵̫̲̝̦͍͈̙͕̩̺̱̬̣͆ͫ̿ͯͤ͒̾͑ͨ̕͢ͅͅ 15:47:02 ̤̤̲̭̭͚͚̥͓̗̰̤̮̆̀̐ͫ̾̉̋ͪͭ͛̄́͜͝ͅ 15:47:03 ̂̓͐ͣ̓̏̄͆ͦ͞͏̘̠̪͓̙͕̝̫̬̮̪̹̫͠ 15:47:05 Oop! wrong thing 15:47:17 *Playing around with unicode chars* 15:50:18 `fetch http://www.cpan.org/src/5.0/perl-5.22.2.tar.gz 15:50:43 Okay, that's somewhat of a bad idea. Whatever. 15:50:55 ... 15:51:08 it might have already started 15:51:24 Yeah, I realized that pretty sure configure script would be stopped in middle. 15:51:26 2016-05-14 14:51:07 URL:http://www.cpan.org/src/5.0/perl-5.22.2.tar.gz [15939581/15939581] -> "perl-5.22.2.tar.gz" [1] 15:51:31 if anyone wants me, I'll be busy hiding in a bunker 15:51:54 `run tar xf perl-5.22.tar.gz # Ah, whatever, I'm doing it anyway 15:51:56 tar: perl-5.22.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory \ tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now 15:52:06 `run tar xf perl-5.22.2.tar.gz # Ah, whatever, I'm doing it anyway 15:53:30 `len is it locked? 15:53:44 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: rebooting). 15:54:06 hackego is caught 15:54:40 No output. 15:54:57 13 codepoints 15:55:02 `run sleep 40 & disown 15:55:09 -!- bender has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:55:11 `run echo Does disown prevent lock? 15:55:16 Does disown prevent lock? 15:55:31 `run ps aux 15:55:33 No output. 15:55:33 USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND \ 0 1 0.5 0.1 1012 272 ? S 14:55 0:00 /init \ 0 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:55 0:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:55 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? 15:55:37 `run ps aux | grep sleep 15:55:39 5000 288 0.0 0.2 4180 620 ? S 14:55 0:00 sh -c 'env' 'PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' 'HACKENV=/hackenv' 'http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128' 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8' '/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits' 'bash' '-c' 'ps aux | grep sleep' | cat \ 5000 290 0.0 0.6 19136 1584 ? 15:55:45 -!- FreeFull has joined. 15:55:57 `run ps aux | grep sleep | wc -l 15:55:59 3 15:56:02 `run sleep 400 & disown 15:56:04 `run ps aux | grep sleep | wc -l 15:56:06 3 15:56:12 Guess not... 15:56:30 sleep 1 ; echo It lives 15:56:34 No output. 15:56:41 `run sleep 1 ; echo It lives 15:56:43 It lives 15:56:46 huh 15:56:52 so sleep 1 isn't an insta-kill 15:57:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:57:16 `run sleep 5 ; echo This will occur at 15:57:20 15:57:24 This will occur at 15:57:20 15:57:30 ...ok...? 15:57:41 `run sleep 10 ; echo Wait for it... 15:57:41 `run sleep 10 ; echo Wait for it... 15:57:42 `run sleep 10 ; echo Wait for it... 15:58:11 you downloaded a new version of perl, only to not unpack and install it? 15:58:33 moon__: A crime beyond belief, I'm sure... 15:58:33 It's already unpacked, but I do wonder how I prevent ./configure from locking the bot. 15:58:55 what happens if the bot locks? 15:59:09 Uhm, why I don't get Wait for it response... 15:59:14 `run sleep 4 ; echo Wait for it... 15:59:14 `run sleep 4 ; echo Wait for it... 15:59:24 hackego is busy 15:59:28 stop spamming him 15:59:34 I see. 15:59:38 if the bot locks:then whoever owns the bot will probably kill xfix 16:00:12 (Hopefully not really!) 16:00:27 Gregor owns it 16:00:33 but gregor has not been on in ages 16:01:07 ...ok, in which case I retract my previous estimation of mortality. 16:01:36 No output. 16:01:37 No output. 16:01:37 No output. 16:01:38 Wait for it... 16:01:40 Wait for it... 16:02:28 the hunter returns with food and an empty quiver... err wallet. 16:02:34 I think that sleep-300 locked up HE 16:02:34 `pwd 16:02:36 ​/hackenv 16:03:24 `cd perl-5.22.2; ./Configure -d -Dprefix=/hackenv > /hackenv/logs 16:03:26 ​invalid command ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 16:03:29 `run cd perl-5.22.2; ./Configure -d -Dprefix=/hackenv > /hackenv/logs 16:04:39 No output. 16:04:45 `ls 16:04:46 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ logs \ misle \ paste \ perl-5.22.2 \ perl-5.22.2.tar.gz \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 16:05:44 Hm, so here are logs... web interface is so slow... 16:06:00 I'm clearly abusing Mercurial. 16:06:06 Hackego lacks a web interface 16:06:12 well, a internal one 16:06:17 fetch and paste are the only ones 16:06:28 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 16:06:36 Ik that one 16:06:44 im talking about things like wget 16:06:58 `cat logs 16:06:59 ​ \ Beginning of configuration questions for perl5. \ \ Checking echo to see how to suppress newlines... \ ...using \c \ The star should be here-->* \ \ First let's make sure your kit is complete. Checking... 16:07:27 check if the logs cut 16:07:39 hackego only lets programs run for a certain amount of time 16:07:59 Too slow... 16:08:12 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:08:14 it stops at "First let's make sure your kit is complete. Checking..." 16:08:19 `run cd perl-5.22.2; nohup ./Configure -d -Dprefix=/hackenv > /hackenv/logs & 16:08:21 after that there's nothing in the file 16:08:24 No output. 16:08:46 `nohup 16:08:47 nohup: missing operand \ Try `nohup --help' for more information. 16:08:47 `ls 16:08:48 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ logs \ misle \ paste \ perl-5.22.2 \ perl-5.22.2.tar.gz \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 16:08:58 `nohup --help 16:09:03 `ls perl-5.22.2 16:09:04 Usage: nohup COMMAND [ARG]... \ or: nohup OPTION \ Run COMMAND, ignoring hangup signals. \ \ --help display this help and exit \ --version output version information and exit \ \ If standard input is a terminal, redirect it from /dev/null. \ If standard output is a terminal, append output to `nohup.out' if possible, \ `$HOME/n 16:09:05 Artistic \ asan_ignore \ AUTHORS \ autodoc.pl \ av.c \ av.h \ caretx.c \ cflags.SH \ Changes \ charclass_invlists.h \ config_h.SH \ configpm \ Configure \ configure.com \ configure.gnu \ cop.h \ Copying \ cpan \ Cross \ cv.h \ cygwin \ deb.c \ dist \ djgpp \ doio.c \ doop.c \ dosish.h \ dquote_static.c \ dump.c \ ebcdic_tables.h \ embed.fnc \ embed 16:09:13 `run ls perl-5.22.2/noh* 16:09:15 ls: cannot access perl-5.22.2/noh*: No such file or directory 16:09:45 Hm, clearly I need to compile for it. 16:10:07 Cross-compiling is annoying... 16:10:11 `uname -a 16:10:12 Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux 16:10:19 Okay... 16:10:33 umlbox is a powerful sandboxer 16:11:45 `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 16:11:47 GNU C Library (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38) stable release version 2.13, by Roland McGrath et al. \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. \ There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A \ PARTICULAR PURPOSE. \ Compiled by GNU CC version 4.4.7. \ Compiled on 16:12:34 I figured it was Debian, I was more curious about an architecture (x86_32 vs x86_64... or perhaps ARM, hehe) :) 16:12:57 hackego runs debian underneath umlbox 16:13:01 I wanted the glibc version 16:14:12 why on earth would libc be executable...? 16:14:16 * gamemanj is confused 16:14:45 a) to confuse people 16:15:06 b) to give an easy way to find out its version (useful) and license (not so much) 16:15:12 * gamemanj tries executing a few other libraries as programs and just gets segmentation faults 16:15:33 it 16:15:38 There is no reason for it to not be an executable. 16:15:39 sorry, it's a special feature 16:15:40 So they did it. 16:16:24 it's better than bundling some sort of glibc-info executable. 16:16:34 ^ 16:16:37 (other than making the program huge, but I doubt GNU were concerned about that, considering how many features glibc has) 16:16:51 "huge" 16:17:24 Well, you need to store a license string. 16:17:36 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:17:44 well, how much of the 1.7 MB file... don't answer that. 16:18:17 well, if it's GPLV3, then expect it to take up 85.3% of the file 16:18:27 (this is a guess) 16:25:43 *cricets* 16:26:24 *crickets* 16:28:50 -!- moon_ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:29:16 -!- Taneb has changed nick to eurovisionsongco. 16:29:20 -!- eurovisionsongco has changed nick to Taneb. 16:36:18 `run ls perl* 16:36:20 perl-5.22.2.tar.gz \ \ perl-5.22.2: \ Artistic \ asan_ignore \ AUTHORS \ autodoc.pl \ av.c \ av.h \ caretx.c \ cflags.SH \ Changes \ charclass_invlists.h \ config_h.SH \ configpm \ Configure \ configure.com \ configure.gnu \ cop.h \ Copying \ cpan \ Cross \ cv.h \ cygwin \ deb.c \ dist \ djgpp \ doio.c \ doop.c \ dosish.h \ dquote_static.c \ dump. 16:36:30 `run echo perl* 16:36:31 perl-5.22.2 perl-5.22.2.tar.gz 16:36:33 `run rm -r perl* 16:36:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 16:36:52 `run rm -r perl* # if at first you don't succeed... 16:37:05 rm: remove write-protected regular file `perl-5.22.2/pp_pack.c'? 16:37:12 `run rm -rf perl* 16:37:40 No output. 16:37:42 No output. 16:37:50 `run rm -rf perl* 16:37:51 No output. 16:37:58 `run echo perl* 16:37:59 perl* 16:41:33 `run hg update f698aeafd7ca 16:41:34 abort: could not lock working directory of /hackenv: Read-only file system 16:41:45 `revert f698aeafd7ca 16:41:56 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 16:41:59 Wait... 16:42:09 Uhoh! 16:42:29 ...ok, it said "Done.", so it might be fine 16:42:39 I think I reverted too much... 16:42:43 `len 1 16:42:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: len: not found 16:42:49 `revert fd90e11cc6b9 16:42:51 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 16:42:53 `len 1 16:42:55 1 codepoint 16:43:37 `run echo echo | tee shirt 16:43:41 echo 16:43:59 `rm shirt 16:44:03 No output. 16:44:29 ... 16:44:43 this is confusing 16:44:52 `rm shirt 16:44:53 rm: cannot remove `shirt': No such file or directory 16:44:55 It is, indeed. 16:45:25 The real question is... is the reason it's confusing for me, the same as the reason for you? 16:45:42 `run :(){ :|:& };: 16:45:43 No output. 16:46:06 ...trying to forkbomb it? 16:46:11 `` diff bin/\` bin/run 16:46:12 1,4c1 \ < #!/bin/bash \ < TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ < shopt -s extglob globstar \ < eval -- "$1" | rnooodl \ --- \ > echo run run run 16:46:36 `` help 16:46:37 GNU bash, version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) \ These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. \ Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. \ Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. \ Use `man -k' or `info' to find out more about commands not in this list. \ \ A star ( 16:46:40 `` run 16:46:41 run run run 16:46:43 `` cat bin/` 16:46:44 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 16:46:44 useful. 16:46:47 `` cat bin/\` 16:46:48 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnoooooodl 16:46:59 `run run 16:47:00 run run run 16:47:06 `` cat bin/run 16:47:07 echo run run run 16:47:25 `` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` echo sorry 16:47:26 sorry 16:48:47 cheater! 16:48:57 `ls bin 16:48:58 ​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ bin \ b 16:49:05 `autowelcome 16:49:06 Autowelcome disabled. 16:49:07 `run rabbit run rabbit run run run, don't let the farmer get his fun... 16:49:08 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 16:49:41 `run rabbit run rabbit run run run, don't let the farmer get his fun... He'll get by, without his rabbit pie, so run rabbit run rabbit run run run... 16:49:42 bash: rabbit: command not found 16:50:04 ` 16:50:05 Stop taking everything literally! 16:50:23 `` run is a joke for people who don't know that `run is a builtin hackego command 16:50:24 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 16:50:32 `` run 16:50:33 run run run 16:50:48 `cd 16:50:49 `` run ABCD 16:50:49 ​invalid command ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 16:50:50 run run run 16:50:53 `` run >.> 16:50:55 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: `run >.>' 16:50:57 ok 16:51:03 I have no idea what is happening 16:51:09 `if 16:51:10 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: if: not found 16:51:33 gamemanj: try typing "run >.>" into bash 16:51:52 `mkx bin/if//bash -c "if $@" 16:51:53 ... 16:51:56 bin/if 16:52:04 int-e: I suspect it will wipe my HDD. 16:52:11 > run >.> 16:52:11 bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' 16:52:13 :1:8: 16:52:13 parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) 16:52:17 @botsnack 16:52:17 :) 16:52:22 Not that I knew that before hand, but asking me to put it into bash told me 16:52:23 `if true; then echo Hi.; else Uh oh.; fi 16:52:24 Hi. 16:52:28 `if false; then echo Hi.; else Uh oh.; fi 16:52:29 bash: Uh: command not found 16:52:35 `if false; then echo Hi.; else echo Uh oh.; fi 16:52:36 Uh oh. 16:54:19 `hello-world-in-any-language 16:54:20 Hello, world! 16:54:23 `hello-world-in-any-language c 16:54:24 Hello, Segfault! 16:54:30 `hello-world-in-any-language c++ 16:54:31 Your language does not exist 16:54:41 `hello-world-in-any-language bytepusher 16:54:42 Your language does not exist 16:54:42 `hello-world-in-any-language english 16:54:43 Your language does not exist 16:55:12 `hello-world-in-any-language php 16:55:13 Wello! 16:55:17 `hello-world-in-any-language python 16:55:19 SyntaxERR 16:55:20 I ought to get around to writing a BytePusher Brainfuck interpreter 16:55:26 `hello-world-in-any-language shakespeare 16:55:28 Ye Olde Hello Worlde 16:55:36 `hello-world-in-any-language java 16:55:39 Memory overflow 16:55:47 `hello-world-in-any-language brainfuck 16:55:48 ERR Tape end reached 16:55:51 >.> 16:56:00 `hello-world-in-any-language chef 16:56:02 Combine the computer and the water in the mixing bowl. 16:56:10 it seems it is not designed to give serious answers 16:56:23 `hello-world-in-any-language hello-world-in-any-language 16:56:24 Your language does not exist 16:56:25 `hello-world-in-any-language intercal 16:56:26 Your language does not exist 16:56:38 `hello-world-in-any-language Z-Machine 16:56:39 Your language does not exist 16:56:39 HackEgo: ITYM "PLEASE DONT GIVE UP" 16:56:42 `hello-world-in-any-language infocom 16:56:43 Your language does not exist 16:56:45 `hello-world-in-any-language z 16:56:45 Your language does not exist 16:56:59 `hello-world-in-any-language shafuck 16:57:00 Your language does not exist 16:57:15 `hello-world-in-any-language glass 16:57:16 Your language does not exist 16:57:19 `hello-world-in-any-language malbolge 16:57:20 Your language does not exist 16:57:23 `hello-world-in-any-language deadfish 16:57:24 Your language does not exist 16:57:24 ``echo PLEASE DONT GIVE UP > hw/intercal 16:57:25 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found 16:57:29 `` echo PLEASE DONT GIVE UP > hw/intercal 16:57:32 No output. 16:57:40 `hello-world-in-any-language intercal 16:57:42 PLEASE DONT GIVE UP 16:58:04 thanks 16:58:50 `hello-world-in-any-language perl 16:58:51 Your language does not exist 17:00:11 Wait a moment, gonna obfuscate some program. 17:03:41 PRINTI "Hello, World!" QUIT 17:04:19 (That is how you do in Z-machine codes; this example is too much oversimplify of course) 17:04:41 `fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/xfix/2ece5662a831b7a42ce24df4ce9cf91a/raw/975e303bb7836b3ff3242219aac3fa3aae4833cb/gistfile1.txt 17:04:49 2016-05-14 16:04:46 URL:https://gist.githubusercontent.com/xfix/2ece5662a831b7a42ce24df4ce9cf91a/raw/975e303bb7836b3ff3242219aac3fa3aae4833cb/gistfile1.txt [212/212] -> "gistfile1.txt" [1] 17:04:56 `mv gistfile1.txt hw/perl 17:04:57 mv: missing destination file operand after `gistfile1.txt hw/perl' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 17:05:04 `` mv gistfile1.txt hw/perl 17:05:08 No output. 17:05:12 `hello-world-in-any-language perl 17:05:13 eval eval'"'.('['^'+').('['^')').('`'|')').('`'|'.').('['^'/').'\\'.'"'.('`'^'(').('`'|'%').('`'|',').('`'|',').('`'|'/').','.('{'^'[').('['^',').('`'|'/').('['^')').('`'|',').('`'|'$').'.'.('!'^'+').'\\'.'"'.'"' 17:07:18 But you know, I don't like it. 17:07:20 . o O ( bless {}, $you ) 17:07:43 `` echo Just another Perl hacker > hw/perl 17:07:47 No output. 17:07:47 I think that's better. 17:07:59 `hello-world-in-any-language Perl 17:08:01 Just another Perl hacker 17:08:35 `` echo Just another Perl hacker, > hw/perl 17:08:37 `hello-world-in-any-language Perl 17:08:39 No output. 17:08:40 Just another Perl hacker, 17:08:46 Okay, now there is a comma. 17:08:51 `? php 17:08:53 php is the PigeonHole Principle 17:08:56 `hello-world-in-any-language Haskell 17:08:57 Your language does not exist 17:08:58 `? perl 17:08:59 Perl is the Perfect Emacs Rewriting Language 17:09:05 `? emacs 17:09:06 emacs is the weird brother of nano. 17:09:09 `? nano 17:09:11 nano is vi's sister. 17:09:13 `? vi 17:09:15 vi is in a relationship with emacs. 17:09:21 `? notepad 17:09:23 notepad? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:09:25 i liked the obfuscated version better 17:10:25 `? hakase 17:10:26 hakase? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:10:36 `` echo Couldn\'t match type \`IO \(\)\' with \`[Char]\' > hw/haskell 17:10:39 No output. 17:10:39 `? ? 17:10:41 ​? is wisdom 17:10:43 `? `? 17:10:43 `hello-world-in-any-language Haskell 17:10:44 Couldn't match type `IO ()' with `[Char]' 17:10:44 ​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:10:59 Fair enough :). 17:12:01 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:12:05 `? farbfeld 17:12:06 farbfeld? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:12:41 But if you want obfuscation... 17:13:01 `` echo $'say\tQ[@A`DO world!]~|' > hw/perl6 17:13:04 No output. 17:13:11 `hello-world-in-any-language perl6 17:13:12 sayQ[@A`DO world!]~| 17:20:35 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FOWL CHICKEN). 17:37:28 -!- Taneb has changed nick to eurofederalist. 17:38:20 -!- eurofederalist has changed nick to Taneb. 17:38:28 -!- Taneb has changed nick to EuroTaneb. 17:38:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:41:57 <\oren\> II 17:48:41 -!- kragniz has changed nick to euroniz. 17:53:20 I implemented many methods for reducing a picture to a specified palette; what methods did I miss? 17:54:35 zzo38: I'm pretty sure you missed the "ask the artist of the picture to do it for you" method... (I can't see any list of methods here, so I'm going with what I think you're most likely to miss) 17:55:15 gamemanj: That is separate though so it doesn't count 17:55:38 True, but again, I can't see a list of methods, so... 17:56:19 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:57:54 I will tell you what I have though: non-dithered, ordered dither, error diffusion, closest by sum, closest by sum weighted by input values, closest by sum of squares of differences, random dither, penalties for choosing a palette index, Yliluoma's method, sum of squares weighted by channel. 17:59:51 Those are the methods I have 17:59:53 that's... a lot. 18:00:50 O, and also hold-and-modify 18:01:46 do you weight the randomness based upon how far the target colour is from the nearest available colour? 18:01:59 The size of the palette can be up to 1024. You can specify a separate dithering mode and best-colour mode, and optionally hold-and-modify. 18:02:07 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:02:26 gamemanj: It is weighted by user-defined values; currently it doesn't check what colours are available to weight the randomness by 18:02:38 *phew* 18:03:04 I didn't recognize most of those dithering methods, TBH. 18:04:03 Not all of them are dithering methods, some are methods to select nearest colour, which can be used in combination with any dithering method (including no dithering). 18:04:22 The weighting-randomness thing is something I used when trying to convert images to BytePusher, but I'm doing it per-channel. 18:06:06 I think BytePusher uses Netscape palette, and the user-defined weights should be sufficient for this purpose. 18:07:26 Well, the trouble is that if a colour is exactly on the mark, you won't want to randomly push it, and if a colour is between two colours, you'll want a 50% chance either way. 18:07:56 So unless "user-defined weights" suggests a quite complicated weighting system where the user can set something like that up... 18:10:58 One of the methods for "closest colour" is to use the one with the closest RGB values which are all no greater than the input value. You can then set a positive weight of 0x3200 and negative weight of 0x0000 and I expect it would work. 18:11:36 (It is farbfeld, so all of these utilities work with 16-bits per channel, although the file you read/write may be a different format.) 18:13:43 zzo38: The files I input are: anything readable by Java ImageIO in theory, but usually PNG. It's part of the compiler, so the output is simply part of the resulting BytePusher program) 18:14:11 So farbfeld would probably end up being an external build step. 18:14:34 (Which is the complicated way of saying "yet another line in a shell script") 18:15:02 My idea is that you would usually pipe farbfeld and not actually need to store farbfeld pictures on disk. 18:21:16 I don't know Java ImageIO because I don't use Java, although I suppose that is how you do in Java. 18:22:54 What I do not have is a program to generate an optimized palette; I should add a program to do that too, if I can know what methods would need and how to do it 18:25:17 Well, one idea might be to try looking for the most "diverse" colours... 18:26:05 That is, create a set of all the colours in the image, and pick one based on what is furthest from any you've already selected. Start with the most common colour. 18:26:34 ("most common" would probably be worked out by averaging all colours in the image, then finding the closest. Just let it be arbitrary failing that...) 18:29:02 -!- Moon_ has joined. 18:29:29 `? draft 18:29:30 draft? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:29:34 `? bat 18:29:35 bat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:29:40 `? wumpus 18:29:41 wumpus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:29:51 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:29:57 *cue int-e writing in entries for those 3* 18:30:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:31:41 I could start with one method and then add support for other methods later on 18:40:20 -!- Caesura has joined. 18:43:27 gamemanj: curse your reverse psychology 18:43:35 `? writer's block 18:43:37 writer's block? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:48:19 `? int-e 18:48:21 int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. 18:48:35 *cue int-e not ever writing in entries for those 3* 18:49:09 by the rule of reverse psychology you've got to write them now 18:49:44 has this ever worked for you? 18:50:01 `? gamemanj 18:50:04 gamemanj is also the mad scientist I. N. Here. 18:50:49 I'm still plotting to get revenge on the person who wrote that... 18:50:53 BWUHAHAHHAHAHAHA! 18:51:33 ...so, yeah, revenge! 18:52:14 `? oerjan 18:52:17 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 18:56:16 Now the program "bitff" can read 256-colours paletted pictures (it previously only supported 2-colours, 4-colours, or 16-colours). 18:59:48 I don't get "I. N." 19:00:35 (int-e: I think I said something along the lines of me being the mad scientist "Insert Name Here".) 19:00:56 (int-e: It was not meant to be taken literally, but whoever wrote that entry had a sense of humour...) 19:01:05 `culprits wisdom/gamemanj 19:01:07 oerjan oerjan 19:01:36 This program is used to read raw paletted pictures in many formats (it also supports GameBoy format, Famicom format, PC format, packed format, etc); I will also add "ffbit" program to write raw paletted pictures too. 19:02:00 zzo38: Yay! 19:03:19 (You will have to use ff-reduce first if you 19:03:38 (You will have to use ff-reduce first if the picture is not already in the required palette) 19:05:48 so: | ff-reduce | ffbit 19:11:29 Yes, the first part would be a conversion into farbfeld (my package includes a "pngff" program which can be used for that purpose if the input is PNG) 19:13:53 Apparently zzo38's "Munching Squares" program is the first "real" program I've tried in my tracer that doesn't cause it to infinitely suck up CPU. Now just to hope that it actually produced correct output... 19:14:29 Does it resemble the screenshot? 19:14:52 Well, the tracer doesn't run the program as such, it analyses it. 19:14:59 That way in future I could write an AOT compiler for BytePusher. 19:15:10 At least, in theory 19:15:27 (Oh, and obviously any program which heavily self-modifies is going to kill the tracer) 19:15:52 int-e: Was it you who mentioned the esolangs.org expiration? I sent a mail to the Dipert to maybe transfer it over, so it's *possible* we'll avoid it expiring this year. If we're very lucky. 19:18:06 zzo38: Does the code resemble your code if you look at it funny? http://hastebin.com/omabanuloh.txt 19:18:33 ...and apparently my quickly written format documentation is off in a few places, VMI jumps to address stored in 2, etc. 19:20:15 ok, I'm pretty sure the tracer's broken. I say that because I don't see any type-A addresses (aka. indirect accesses) 19:20:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:21:42 fizzie: yes that was me 19:21:46 ...and the occasional advance_cc's missing, because I forgot to add the advance_cc/advance_cc_cvmi on fallthrough... 19:21:49 fizzie: thanks for the update 19:22:15 and taking the initiative :) 19:23:53 Hardly; you can look at my code http://zzo38computer.org/prog/BytePusher/Munching_Squares.pushem 19:26:53 Looking at that code, I should definitely be seeing Type-A addresses. Hmm. 19:30:40 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:35:32 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:36:21 I can see where the tracer went massively wrong, too - 0x0C's instruction is ld #8 / st #17 / jp #15, so #15 not using lda is a pretty obvious sign that something went wrong... 19:36:32 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:59:19 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:59:26 EuroTaneb: Are you having some sort of a big thing about the thing? 19:59:37 the thing™ 20:05:59 And now it's back to sucking an infinite amount of CPU... 20:09:16 -!- Akaibu has joined. 20:15:40 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Alas.). 20:17:01 -!- shikhin has joined. 20:17:20 -!- devhydraz has joined. 20:17:20 -!- devhydraz has quit (Changing host). 20:17:20 -!- devhydraz has joined. 20:18:07 -!- devhydraz has changed nick to hydraz. 20:50:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:51:00 -!- moon__ has joined. 20:53:29 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:56:28 someone give a "well done" to zzo38, so apparently there's a really large amount of different states that 22 instructions can be in... 20:58:40 And now I found out the reason it always sucks an infinite amount of CPU - something went horribly wrong with the "union" operator and instead of analysing the code, it runs it. 20:59:01 Fail! 20:59:21 And what's more, it runs it in an extremely inefficient fashion since the code is designed to keep an eye on possible values for data. 20:59:42 So a byte is actually 256 booleans of which one happens to be selected... 21:02:34 Of course, when the final "write out code that could be used for an AOT" is triggered, it interprets these as immediate value copies - constant addresses - etc... 21:03:11 And thus no type-A addresses. 21:04:06 So, in essence: 1. My code is a complete failure, 2. zzo38 can do a lot in 22 instructions of BytePusher, 3. My code is a complete failure. 21:08:31 "munching squares"? 21:10:44 Yep. I was trying to analyze zzo38's program as a test run. It... didn't work. 21:11:35 Suffice to say my analyzer would be great for heating up a room. 21:13:06 Thing is, it has to hit all available states for a byte in case that byte is then later used in a jump instruction. 21:14:01 what is it supposed to do? 21:14:35 Essentially convert a BytePusher program's code into a format more suitable for AOT compilation. 21:15:35 Which means it has to be capable of handling all the various methods of self-modification BytePusher programs use. 21:18:45 Obviously some things will inevitably result in a complete crash of the compiler (an actual JIT in BytePusher for example)... 21:19:29 But for reasonable programs, it should be possible. 21:20:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:25:44 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:26:21 `learn Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it's chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that are guided by a nefarious AI. 21:26:24 Learned 'wumpu': Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it's chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that are guided by a nefarious AI. 21:29:51 Hmm. An instruction is always updated with the union - there are always more possibilities, never less, and the system stops when it is equal. So if I can find a way to only use CPU time on new possibilities... 21:30:03 gamemanj: I hope you're happy now (re: wumpus) 21:30:15 Re: wumpu. 21:32:28 int-e: I am :) 21:32:38 (You didn't have to, though) 21:32:47 :P 21:33:39 (more reverse psychology?! ;-) ) 21:34:30 gamemanj: see also http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2009/07/16 21:34:35 (Do not do what this says: Do not stand on your head singing "I Can't Decide".) 21:34:47 (Good luck working out the logic on that one) 21:35:14 I can't decide. 21:35:25 (not singing.) 21:35:43 But are you standing on your head? 21:36:04 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:36:10 depends on your perspective 21:36:38 Well, are you in the southern hemisphere? If so, then you are standing on the ceiling with magical boots. 21:36:43 But you are not standing on your head. 21:36:47 As far as I know. 21:36:57 * gamemanj is confused 21:37:07 (this backfired) 21:38:44 I didn't know that M:tG has a few Wumpus cards. 21:38:59 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 21:40:23 * gamemanj places down a crooked arrow card (WARNING: PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW M:TG RULES IN AREA. EXPECT INCORRECT FAKE PLAY.) 21:43:58 `random-card Wumpus 21:44:00 Hunted Wumpus \ 3G \ Creature -- Beast \ 6/6 \ When Hunted Wumpus enters the battlefield, each other player may put a creature card from his or her hand onto the battlefield. \ MM-U, 8ED-U, 9ED-U, 10E-U 21:44:08 would incorrect fake play be accidently valid play? 21:44:31 no, accidentally valid play would be correct fake play 21:44:46 incorrect fake play would be incidentally invalid play 21:48:11 Onion skin. 21:48:54 ? 21:49:11 I keep hearing the lyrics of this Georgia song like that. 21:49:17 I think it's actually "on your skin" or some-such. 21:49:31 is this still going on 21:49:49 26 competitors, it takes a while. 21:50:47 But they're at #24 already, so it's almost over. 21:51:11 oh, the ESC (European Screeching Cacophony)? 21:51:28 or something else? 21:51:32 The former. 21:52:01 Although if they keep inviting Australia along, I don't know how long they can retain the name. 21:52:19 Eh, just make Australia part of the E.U. Problem solved. 21:54:13 Isreal and Iceland are in there too 21:54:22 And Russia. 21:54:25 -!- lambda-calc has joined. 21:54:49 (iceland is geologically interesting, hmm) 21:54:52 ...so why exactly is it called "Eurovision"??? 21:55:05 Well, it's still organized by the EBU. 21:55:19 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:55:38 -!- lambda-calc has changed nick to lambda-11235. 21:55:56 (Of course that's just bringing up the question why it's the EBU.) 21:56:22 "Eurovision (founded 1954 in Geneva, Switzerland) is part of the European Broadcasting Union" (the song contest goes back to 1956) 21:56:39 so normal branding, not a mystery 21:56:41 * gamemanj removes all 'E's from reality 21:56:49 there 21:56:52 problem solved 21:57:05 hmm, gammanji 21:57:05 I'm watching the Urovision Song Contest here. 21:57:12 Contst 21:57:14 Sorry, yes. 21:57:22 int-e: Where'd the "i" come from??? 21:57:49 gamemanj: I don't know. 21:58:15 (some exposure to japanese perhaps) 21:58:17 If you're trying to find a way to convert my name to "kanji"... good luck, here, have this compass and 5 days of rations, since you'll probably need them as you try (and fail) 22:01:23 the best you'll manage is γ字 22:01:37 which is nowhere near the correct pronounciation... 22:03:19 For Japanese the standard thing would be transcribing into katakana, not into kanji-used-phonetically. 22:03:26 Unless you're in, like, 1600. 22:04:16 Anyway, living without "" will annoy many anglistics majors by making writing a task fraught with significant hardships. 22:05:07 It will also annoy NtHack players, because they can't write a certain useful thing. 22:06:01 Ironically, linguistic obliviousity is good for usability. 22:08:19 It's amazing that transmitting thoughts without that particular glyph works at all. 22:08:48 Translating fizzi's annotation: It will also annoy NtHack actors, for usability and sanity impacts occur from a lacking of Lbrth. 22:09:05 hmm, I could add "using" to that without violating any constraints. 22:09:34 ' prfr jst 'mttng 'll 'f th vwls frm my sntncs; 't sms t wrk wll sns ntbl 'ffrt. 22:10:13 It may not look that way but actually it is hard to maintain this way of writing. 22:10:22 ' bt. 22:10:27 i like how you added the glotal stop 22:11:29 Wll, yh. Wtht 't ths 's 'vn hrdr t 'ndrstnd. :) 22:11:30 Elbereth? 22:11:39 (>.>) 22:11:42 Well 22:11:45 (you ruined it!) 22:11:45 Someone has crossed a line 22:11:48 (...ok, not really) 22:11:48 "Social Autopsy" 22:11:53 @messages-lud 22:11:56 oerjan said 2d 10h 49m 44s ago: Good, good. 22:12:08 Message I was writing before giving up: Actually, I would confirm in a habitual tone, but it 22:14:06 Actually, I would confirm in a habitual positionary, but such blockings start to inhibit proper discussion. 22:14:41 not bad. *nods in approval* 22:15:10 I think it got awkward around the "positionary" part. 22:15:27 s/the/words such as/ 22:15:32 s/ part// 22:15:43 yeah, but "inhibit proper discussion" turned it around, because it stressed the point. 22:16:03 I suppose :) 22:16:20 so all in all, good job. 22:16:49 Also, "blockings" should probably be "obstructions" 22:19:09 (Actually, using simplistic words allows producing writings of this kind without too much difficulty. But the product usually sounds unnatural.) 22:19:18 "the" :) 22:19:26 * int-e failes. 22:20:01 Try "resulting products" 22:20:21 I'm not falling for that. 22:20:27 :) 22:20:34 I was! 22:20:41 (Or I wouldn't have suggested it) 22:20:58 Ok, try "output products usually sound unnatural" 22:29:26 works for m... this human. 22:30:46 salutations. this humanoid hails from mars. groupings on mars want humanity in ruins. Mwu. ha. ha. ha. 22:31:34 -!- tromp_ has joined. 22:32:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:33:57 gamemanj: you could just wait. humanity will soon ruin its own. 22:34:33 Why is it so hard to stop doing this... 22:34:46 It is now natural to you. 22:36:01 You cannot stop. You now slowly turn into an addict... of avoiding a . 22:36:17 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:36:38 An addict of avoiding that specific point in char-land. 22:38:03 I thought "glyph" was okay. 22:38:30 Glyph has implications of archaic origin, no? 22:39:15 Did you spy that "specific" fail? 22:39:22 Aw. 22:39:27 * gamemanj failed 22:39:45 Though it is implications, and "glyph" still works for such purposes. 22:39:46 oh well. 22:39:50 AH 22:39:55 I'm making tons of mistakes right now 22:40:05 plurals are so innocent 22:40:28 Rv2."Though it is implications, and "glyph" still works for such a situation." 22:41:13 oh, "symbol" would have been perfect. 22:41:47 sure it's generic but it has no archaic or arcane connotations. 22:44:42 'std::out_of_range' i hate it when vectors do this >_> 22:49:00 "Glyph" is also a technical term used when discussing text encoding and rendering. 22:49:18 In particular, the Unicode standard uses it extensively when talking about glyphs. 22:49:32 So it's probably a good choice TBH. 22:49:34 Unicode contains "E"! 22:49:37 it's evil! 22:49:53 Why yes, it encodes U'E'. 22:49:55 (see, you can tell "e" is evil because "evil" contains "e") 22:50:24 And U'e', and even U'ë'! 22:50:29 Nooooo 22:58:03 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:26:28 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:36:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:43:02 r.i.p. chat 23:43:38 Can't expect much when the Urovision's going on. (Although it's just ending.) 23:48:51 -!- euroniz has changed nick to kragniz. 23:49:36 `ls 23:49:46 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ logs \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 23:50:12 ok that doesn't look entirely messed up 23:50:44 are you unretired 23:52:09 but gregor has not been on in ages <-- it's ok me or fizzie can do the killing hth 23:52:28 shachaf: no, just disturbed that someone considered actually installing perl in the sandbox 23:52:54 i had this all ready to go: `` sed -i 's/retired/infamous/' wisdom/oerjan 23:53:15 i suppose _if_ it had been messed up, i could have done some charity work `reverting. 23:53:35 `which perl 23:53:40 was it not charity work before retirement 23:53:41 ​/usr/bin/perl 23:53:53 shachaf: s/retired/emeritus/ hth 23:54:09 i'm going out on a limb and saying they probably did not succeed. 23:54:33 fizzie: do it hth 23:54:40 i think emeritus needs to come last. 23:54:53 `? oerjan 23:54:58 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 23:55:05 Yeah, I guess it's more "mysterious evil cackling overlord emeritus". 23:55:08 øverlørd emeritus 23:55:56 i didn't realize you had retired from all overlording 23:56:04 i assumed it was just HackEgo janitorial work 23:56:05 hm good point. 23:56:50 `? fizzie 23:56:58 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 2016-05-15: 00:01:11 how can you have both a king and an overlord 00:01:53 the overlord overthrows the king, duh 00:02:22 does the underlord undermine the overlord 00:02:34 BLASPHEMY 00:03:04 the overlord cannot be undermined. as long as no one finds the self destruct button, anyway. 00:04:00 it's that big red with the "don't push if you want to live" sign. 00:04:07 *red one 00:06:12 -!- boily has joined. 00:07:49 -!- variable has joined. 00:08:12 phoily! 00:08:22 (2 in a day, progress!) 00:08:41 well, sort of a day 00:13:25 heŀŀœrjan! it's still the same day in Canadaland hth 00:13:47 exactly! 00:17:35 -!- EuroTaneb has changed nick to Taneb. 00:24:21 shachaf: Britain has both queen and parliament... 00:24:49 (I'm sure a king and an overlord could come to a similar arrangement.) 00:28:15 `? gamemanj 00:28:25 gamemanj is also the mad scientist I. N. Here. 00:31:20 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:32:58 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:34:20 `? wumpu 00:34:24 Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it's chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that are guided by a nefarious AI. 00:34:37 `` mv wisdom/wumpu{,s} 00:34:48 No output. 00:35:03 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:35:03 . o O ( this messes up culprit identification :( ) 00:35:06 `` hg log wisdom/wumpu 00:35:14 changeset: 8059:4b82b9fd65f0 \ user: HackBot \ date: Sat May 14 20:26:22 2016 +0000 \ summary: learn Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it\'s chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that are guided by a nefarious AI. 00:35:29 `culprits wisdom/wumpus 00:35:43 oerjan 00:35:46 would `hg mv` do better, if it was an option? 00:35:54 no idea 00:36:22 it's probably not an option, anyway. 00:37:00 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:37:03 so you're saying that that's vacuöusly true 00:37:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:37:15 or is that vacuoüsly 00:37:17 who knows 00:38:23 "Germany's Jamie-Lee is the biggest argument I've seen for the big five to have their automatic entry to the final removed." ... that bad, eh... 00:38:44 hellochaf. I believe it's vauöusly hth 00:39:26 boily: i'm skeptical hth 00:39:39 *skeptial 00:39:52 *skëptial 00:40:13 *sqëptial, demonym for albanian. 00:42:21 -!- Froox has joined. 00:44:33 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:45:21 I already forgot what Germany had. 00:45:36 Ohh, right, *that*. 00:46:05 Well, it did get the least amount of points. 00:46:08 -!- jaboja has joined. 00:47:09 This year they announced the jury votes and the audience votes separately, which was interesting. Especially when Poland got like 7 points from the juries, and 222 from the audience. 00:47:39 (I'm a bit surprised the Wikipedia table doesn't currently *show* them separately, but I'm sure someone'll improve it.) 00:51:39 -!- MDude has joined. 00:53:34 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:58:16 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2016 lists them separately at least 01:02:43 int-e: Curiously, it's entirely missing points for the first semifinal, but it has the second one. 01:03:17 funny 01:04:13 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:06:52 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:10:29 who won 01:10:56 ah ukraine 01:11:41 https://rageclub.net/~nortti/ul.py.txt 01:12:44 ^ underload-y interpreter, in 255B 01:16:19 "-y"? 01:17:17 ah. 01:22:24 couldn't quite fit all of underload in 255B, sadly 01:23:01 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:23:07 "KamLAND-Zen is a group of buddhist monks studying a balloon filled with the xenon isotope Xe136." 01:25:29 * oerjan thinks maybe there was a joke in there. 01:29:06 Zen is inscrutable. As the Great Master fungot once said unto his disciples... 01:29:06 boily: the compiler sources aren't touched when you usually build up a list 01:29:25 Mu. 01:35:29 "Five of diamonds arched back intended far-seeing size xanthoma, watering bicostate Envelope Logistics®. Commissional, the boozing speech nontronite navigates visions of verbarspermophyta. Dietine overlooker seining, waddywood breathes, full breaths, malacostracology evident. Trip hammer, trip hammer, trip hammer, trip hammer. 01:35:31 - V❊H❊Q❊H, V❊H❊Q❊H 01:38:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:39:04 I'm watching VSauce's video "What is the greatest honou?r" 01:39:19 It makes me want to invent awards 01:40:37 Vsauce is neat 01:41:10 The Bertrand Russell Award for Not Having a Bertrand Russell Award 01:41:48 (for it to work, we must count a person as a set of awards, and awards as the set of people who have been granted it) 01:42:08 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 01:42:23 hppavellon[1], fellowl. 01:42:24 (If it makes you uncomfortable, a person can be a tuple containing the set of awards, among other things) 01:42:32 ahoily 01:43:25 you should give an award made of wood inoculated with spores of a GMO mushroom that grows into the shape of an award. 01:45:18 boily: Ooooh 01:45:35 boily: My Bertrand Russell award is funny, right? 01:46:19 yes it was quite funny 01:46:33 it's a good award. 01:46:35 Phantom_Hoover: OK, good 01:46:55 a tautological award, that is given because you deserve it. 01:47:11 boily: Yes, but the wording needs to change 01:47:25 The Tautology Award for Receiving a Tautology Award 01:47:37 that's better. 01:47:57 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:48:01 . o O ( I want an Awardmushroom Award. what does it taste like? ) 01:55:43 its taste should be awarding (not to say rewarding). 01:56:06 hi int-e. did you get some new result on laver tables? 01:56:59 nothing new... I can prove that we actually get shelves... 01:57:36 ah. i see... 01:57:39 and I have proved maybe half of that in Isabelle. 01:59:50 laver tables and mushroomy awards: a vegetarian dashi. 02:05:47 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:08:38 Reals = 1D 02:08:41 Complexes = 2D 02:09:02 Quaternions = 4D, Octonions = 8D, Sedenions = 16D 02:09:32 I've also heard of some sort of Hexions = 6D, but there aren't any useful Trinions = 3D 02:09:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:09:58 Let's go in weirder directions 02:10:10 Unit = 0D 02:10:28 ??? = -1D 02:10:54 [EXPUNGED] 02:13:15 * hppavilion[1] names ALL the sets of numbers 02:13:37 * hppavilion[1] also gives many of them nice blackboard bold symbols 02:15:53 -1D is the empty set hth 02:19:27 hppavilion[1]: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/negative+thinking hth 02:20:25 oerjan: Ah, that makes sense 02:21:06 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:33:34 -!- Cale has joined. 02:35:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:35:34 -!- tromp has joined. 02:36:17 -!- Naraka has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:37:08 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:41:37 -!- Naraka has joined. 02:44:37 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 02:44:56 AAAAAAAAAAAAA? 02:45:06 NOOOOCLOOOOG 02:45:13 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:45:41 oh. 02:45:48 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:45:54 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! 02:46:04 fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOT! 02:46:05 * oerjan suddenly ponders the wisdom of idling in the channel 02:46:28 * boily will update the wisdom when he gets home. probably Monday, if he has time. 02:47:42 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:48:41 I remember a friend of mine in university showed me an esoteric language which was similar to befunge, except that your code was segmented into connected components, "rafts" which could be pushed around as the program ran by appropriate instructions. 02:48:53 I forget the name of it, I wonder if anyone would recognise it 02:49:03 Has anyone adapted FFF to work for less traditional units? 02:49:17 Not traditional 02:49:17 everyday 02:49:17 For example, what's an FFF pascal? 02:50:08 apparently there are now just 3 confirmed living people born in the 19th century. 02:51:59 I suppose Fahrenheit should be included 02:52:03 hppavilion[1]: one ounce per furlong per fortnight per fortnight? 02:52:23 boily: That works 02:52:40 8 m/s/s/s (8 m/s^3) 02:55:20 Cale: well no relevant hits on "raft" or "rafts" on the wiki 02:56:06 it rings a bell, but do something with moving pieces and otherwise not very befungey, which i also have forgotten the name of 02:56:11 *to something 02:56:49 hppavilion[1]: i'm pretty sure Fahrenheit died long ago hth 02:56:54 >_> 02:57:17 oerjan: You clearly have not been to America 02:57:28 of course i have 02:57:42 oerjan: Well you didn't pay attention 02:57:43 three times 02:57:46 oerjan: I was born here 02:58:00 oerjan: And I have managed to condition myself to use SI units automatically 02:58:01 or wait, four. 02:58:32 (although two of them were passing through on the one trip) 02:58:47 oerjan: But I haven't been able to shake Fahrenheit; I simply can't take a temperature in Celsius and lookup about how warm it is 02:59:09 below 0 is freezing, above 100 is boiling hth 02:59:18 oerjan: Well duh 03:00:14 oerjan: I simply always think in terms of Fahrenheit; if you tell me it's 30 degrees Celsius, at best I will do the conversion, at worst I'll ask you to give me the temperature again 03:00:35 Granted, I live in alaska, so usually the temperature is just "cold", but when I DO use temperature it's always Fahrenheit 03:00:56 Anyone feel like deriving weird units? 03:01:02 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SHOTGUN CHICKEN). 03:01:25 i recommend inverse femtobarns, those are pretty weird. 03:01:28 The Kirk is used for measuring space dilation and clocks in at 1 meter/meter 03:01:43 It can also be used for speed for those that hate everyone around them 03:03:00 there are the obvious, like Wolfram for ego and Hitler for evil. 03:03:24 oerjan: Wolfram for ego? 03:03:39 oerjan: Also, I was going for SI-derived units 03:03:47 i thought that was well-established. 03:04:35 Tesla. i mean, it's already SI but _damn_. 03:06:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Contains only free ranging moons | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | The overdone city meme has RISEN from is burial place in Truth or Consequences (not Hot Springs) in search of BRAINS. 03:06:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Contains only free ranging moons | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | The overdone city meme has RISEN from its burial place in Truth or Consequences (not Hot Springs) in search of BRAINS. 03:13:51 Cale: It wouldn't happen to be Funciton, would it? 03:14:42 I don't think so 03:20:13 It was one character per instruction in a 2D grid, and when the program was first loaded, the orthogonally adjacent connected bunches of instructions would be determined and grouped together into "rafts", and then there were instructions which would cause the raft they were in to move up/down/left/right, I think so long as they weren't bumping into another raft (so they could steer themselves around against the whitespace background) 03:21:08 and so two rafts could come together to allow control to flow from one to the other, and then perhaps separate again later 03:21:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:32:22 Ub. 03:33:06 -!- fungot has joined. 03:33:26 There's the 'got. 03:35:27 -!- Akaibu has quit. 03:39:16 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: WE USE STICKS). 03:59:00 copumpkin: cocktailpumpkin 03:59:31 copumpkin: what if i sent you a book containing that thing 03:59:36 copumpkin: would you be likely to read it 04:35:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:36:09 -!- clog has joined. 05:14:29 -!- Caesura has joined. 05:36:35 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:41:55 `? itymology 05:42:40 Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement. 05:43:09 `? oerjan 05:43:10 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 05:45:07 i was going to add "itymologist" but i can't find a place to fit it in tdnh 05:48:37 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:02:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:07:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:49:11 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:53:57 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:56:47 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:18:32 Hm... 07:18:41 Is there an equivalent of LaTeX for making MIDI music? 07:19:30 textual music formats? there are many 07:50:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:55:27 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:02:19 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:07:36 Here's a rather interesting idea 08:07:39 Gap Music 08:08:06 Start with a completely random ordering of chords and eliminate some of them until it sounds good 08:11:28 `? 0 08:11:42 702 matching entries found. 08:14:49 -!- centrinia has joined. 08:15:01 `? haskell 08:15:06 Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' 08:15:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:15:57 `? c 08:15:59 C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault 08:25:18 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:28:19 `` echo 4 8 15 16 23 42 > "wisdom/6 random numbers" 08:28:28 `? 6 random numbers 08:29:10 6 random numbers? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:29:16 No output. 08:29:42 `? 6 random numbers 08:29:44 4 8 15 16 23 42 08:44:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 09:09:02 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:16:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:50:24 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:54:15 -!- centrinia has joined. 09:55:21 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:59:28 -!- rdococ has joined. 10:00:33 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:01:30 -!- gamemanj has joined. 10:03:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 10:11:47 so apparently my program thinks zzo38's munching squares program likes the value "d2" a lot. 10:12:17 And has thus peppered all the "potential jump / potential copy" lists with various placements of d2. 10:12:31 And has thus given up on trying to use immediate values. 10:19:21 It seems it's found an excuse, somewhere, to pepper memory with D2. 10:46:14 -!- tsumegirl has changed nick to izabera. 10:50:12 Programs with > 2,300 instructions tend to run into problems due to the memory required for storing the range of possible states at a given instruction, even with some accuracy-vs-speed tradeoffs towards speed (said optimizations likely being the cause of the 'd2' problem) 10:52:09 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 10:56:49 It seems the tracer only works relatively well on structured programs that do not use speed-code. i.e. None of them. 10:59:25 I think BytePusher emulation speedups may only be reasonably achievable using JITs. 11:00:04 An extreme case is the Toccata Grande Cromatica by early-19th-century American composer Anthony Philip Heinrich, which uses note values as short as 2,048ths; however, the context shows clearly that these notes have one beam more than intended, so they should really be 1,024th notes.[4] 11:00:11 ... 11:00:16 "Really" 11:01:20 hppavilion[1]: yay for mangled wording! 11:01:49 gamemanj: ? 11:02:15 ...well, you were commenting on the "really" being there when it's a statement of opinion, correct? 11:02:29 gamemanj: No 11:02:33 Then what? 11:03:28 gamemanj: I was pointing out that, for any reasonable duration of a whole note, the difference between a 2048th and 1024th note is imperceptible, AND it's impossible to reliably play either one anyway 11:04:03 why on earth would someone use such values, then? 11:04:15 gamemanj: I have no idea 11:04:53 gamemanj: The article is expressing how the use of 2048th notes is pretty extreme, but that there is one extra flag so it's actually 1024th notes, which is somehow more reasonable 11:05:10 I prefer 1/32 notes. 11:05:16 gamemanj: Keep in mind, a whole note is 1 second iirc, meaning a 1024th note is less than a millisecond long 11:05:58 Then it would sound like a click. 11:08:36 gamemanj: Yeah 11:08:59 ... does HackEgo seriously run a new Linux kernel when you run a command. Wow. 11:10:13 xfix: ? 11:10:27 xfix: Are you talking about how it lacks internal state? 11:10:39 No wonder why it reacts so slowly... 11:11:02 xfix: If that's what you mean, "a new linux kernel" is the most wrong you could possibly get 11:11:13 xfix: It's a new shell instance. Not an entirely new kernel. 11:11:19 ?! 11:11:19 Maybe you meant: v @ ? . 11:11:19 `dmesg 11:11:32 it's a uml thing, it *is* a substantial part of the kernel 11:11:52 xfix: Also, keep in mind, the use of multi-shell allows multiple people to use HackEgo at once, which makes it scalable 11:12:02 Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset \ Initializing cgroup subsys cpu \ Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct \ Linux version 3.13.0-umlbox (hackbot@codu) (gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-5) ) #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 \ On node 0 totalpages: 65855 \ free_area_init_node: node 0, pgdat 60318390, node_mem_map 60fd4000 \ Normal zone: 901 pages used 11:12:16 Hmph. Not telling me the current system time. 11:12:18 `uptime 11:12:42 ​ 10:12:38 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 11:12:46 That proves it. 11:12:50 It's starting a new kernel. 11:12:52 "up 0 min" 11:14:38 hppavilion[1]: Up 0 min == no uptime. If it was reusing the same kernel instance, it would keep the uptime. 11:14:59 xfix: in any case its host is becoming worse and worse... it used to be reasonably reactive. UML should boot up very quickly if everything is in memory... 11:15:17 gamemanj: Wait, an entire new kernel? 11:15:29 hppavilion[1]: By the look of it. 11:15:31 Like, practically a cold boot? 11:15:37 user mode linux is a linux kernel running on a linux system 11:15:43 hppavilion[1]: Kind of. Remember that it's UML, as int-e says. 11:16:02 gamemanj: Which UML is this? I'm reading "Universal Markup Language" 11:16:16 I just expanded it for you. 11:16:28 hppavilion[1]: User Mode Linux. Basically a kernel made to run in a kernel - a step between containerization and a VM. 11:16:38 `cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id 11:16:54 `cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id 11:17:07 gamemanj: Ah 11:18:10 I doubt "init" is even installed - such a thing would require a very stripped-down init for performance reasons. 11:18:29 6d8b8bcc-a466-439b-ba68-a959936a8ebe 11:18:31 `ps aux > ps 11:18:34 589120e0-8745-44a1-9d3a-28a933a13ec6 11:18:36 error: unsupported option (BSD syntax) \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). 11:18:37 `run ps aux > ps 11:18:41 Different boot IDs... 11:18:51 No output. 11:19:02 `cat ps 11:19:24 USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND \ 0 1 1.0 0.1 1012 272 ? S 10:18 0:00 /init \ 0 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 10:18 0:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 10:18 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? 11:19:30 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/a00724d0cc96/ps 11:19:43 Notice it's referring to /init... 11:19:51 that doesn't seem like a normal init's position on the disk. 11:20:05 `file /init 11:20:16 ​/init: ERROR: cannot open `/init' (No such file or directory) 11:20:55 `mount 11:20:55 5000 291 85.0 0.0 344 16 ? R 10:18 0:00 cat 11:20:59 none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /opt type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/) \ none on /lib64 type host 11:21:00 Although, it did notice "cat" process. 11:21:24 xfix: So it might not be rebooting for every command... or it might be the wrong cat process. 11:21:35 `uname -a 11:21:38 Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux 11:21:49 But that's weird, why cat didn't have arguments. 11:21:53 Yeah, it's a different one. 11:22:12 xfix: I wrote my cat after it came up with "No output.", definitely a different cat process 11:22:20 To be exact, this one: sh -c 'env' 'PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' 'HACKENV=/hackenv' 'http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128' 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8' '/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits' 'bash' '-c' 'ps aux > ps' | cat 11:22:22 Probably some internal part of HackEgo 11:22:54 en_NZ. Well, now we have no doubts as to HackEgo's hosting location. 11:23:22 Also notice the "type hostfs" mounts. 11:23:25 I expected Canada. 11:23:27 :P 11:24:51 The UML install seems to borrow files from the "real" host filesystem, since having a separate install for the system is kind of wasteful (Docker, I'm looking at you)... 11:25:11 (I'm pretty sure it is Canada. That's where the ISP-whose-name-shall-not-be-said is located. Also that's what whois says for HackEgo's IP address.) 11:25:30 Who knows? :) 11:26:08 why wouldn't you borrow parts of the host... they become easier to update that way 11:26:29 int-e: Well, I would. 11:26:31 "docker" has a totally different philosophy. 11:26:44 also I don't quite get what the point of docker is... 11:26:55 ...since it fails at proper isolation. 11:28:12 Here's how HackEgo seems to work: 1. command gets entered in 2. UML with "bare" initrd (could even be using ASM and syscalls) and extremely minimal setup boots, 3. The init performs magic (TM) and starts the command. 11:29:06 idea: cat /proc/1/exe > extracted-init 11:29:18 though it'll probably fail due to permissions. :( 11:29:39 But I get the point where they say that every component brings its own dependencies and therefore will not change its behavior when transferred betwenn hosts. No missing libraries on the host system, no conflicting versions... all coupled with the attitude that bandwidth and storage are essentially free. 11:30:04 (I'm sure it sometimes goes wrong when you change kernel versions.) 11:33:49 (Well, if syscalls get dropped or are made incompatible, it would probably go wrong. But usually versioning problems stay in userland AFAIK.) 11:37:52 gamemanj: you could always look at source code: https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox/src/tip/init.c 11:38:11 ah, that explains it! 11:40:40 gamemanj: I have invented a musical poem 11:40:52 One of those really short ones 11:41:06 (like the i-with-fingerprint or three-humped-m) 11:42:11 hah. echo init | cpio -H newc -o | gzip -9c > umlbox-initrd.gz ... that's quite minimal. 11:42:31 "Insufficient Permissions" 11:42:44 It's basically just a half note where the ellipse is a "©" 11:43:03 int-e: Presumably init is linked statically, then? 11:43:09 gamemanj: of course. 11:44:11 `file /init 11:44:45 ​/init: ERROR: cannot open `/init' (No such file or directory) 11:45:10 Tried that. 11:48:17 `ls /opt 11:49:32 No output. 11:58:50 `which ghc 11:59:37 No output. 12:51:41 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:52:08 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:56:49 -!- gamemanj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:02:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:05:49 eep forgot the idling idea. 13:06:40 oh well only a couple hours missing. 13:18:46 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:22:03 oerjan: oh you missed so much... 13:22:35 oerjan: http://sprunge.us/hNYF 13:22:59 shocking 13:27:24 @tell xfix `run ps aux > ps <-- you probably want to use | paste 13:27:24 Consider it noted. 13:27:36 Okay. 13:27:55 `run ps aux | paste 13:28:06 saves you a step 13:28:39 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 13:28:44 * oerjan looks for HackEgo's oiling can 13:28:44 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.346 13:29:00 Nice. 13:30:00 you're welcome. 13:31:14 * oerjan wonders something 13:31:16 `paste - 13:31:32 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/- 13:31:40 nah. 13:31:50 That's... useful? 13:32:06 `len Goodbye, world. 13:32:13 15 codepoints 13:32:25 xfix: i was just wondering if it somehow supported the - for stdin syntax, but no. (not really surprising.) 13:32:45 Considering STDIN is mostly broken, it wouldn't be that useful. 13:32:46 `cat 13:33:02 i suppose. 13:33:17 No output. 13:34:18 My list of things to do after exams now has 15 things in it 13:36:45 Taneb: careful, or you'll start doing more exams to procrastinate the list tdnh 13:40:31 I know, that's a real problem 13:40:45 I did one yesterday and I already have 6 more lined up 13:41:02 scary 13:41:24 -!- bender has joined. 13:47:04 -!- Reece` has joined. 13:50:28 -!- gremlins has joined. 13:51:59 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:52:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:53:44 -!- Reece` has joined. 13:55:29 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:56:43 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:00:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:00:09 -!- bender__ has joined. 14:00:43 -!- gremlins has joined. 14:01:53 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:02:26 -!- bender__ has changed nick to bender. 14:02:29 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:05:45 The en_NZ thing had some sort of a point. 14:05:50 I forget exactly what. 14:06:00 But it had nothing to do with geography. 14:07:11 2013-11-04 07:05:47 zzo38: we asked Gregor to set it so that HackEgo could use utf-8, and he chose en_NZ to be funny 14:07:16 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:07:16 Well, a "point". 14:07:46 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:08:24 well he _could_ have chosen zh_ZH or whatever it's called. 14:08:37 (might have to install it first.) 14:08:54 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:14:05 `` locale -a | paste 14:14:26 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.14520 14:14:39 (New feature to cut down on writes: compare the paste result with everything in the paste dir, and reuse the old file if it already exists.) 14:14:51 `le/rn paste/"Paste" is a short story by Henry James. Its contents has been cut into pieces and distributed over numerous tin boxes on the World Wide Web, little pearls of wisdom buried among ordinary pastes. 14:14:57 Learned «paste» 14:14:59 (what an odd story) 14:15:17 wat 14:15:22 `` LC_ALL=zh_TW.utf8 ls /nosuchfile 14:15:25 ls: 無法存取 /nosuchfile: 沒有此一檔案或目錄 14:18:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 14:18:22 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:19:34 `` sed -i s/has/have/ wisdom/paste 14:19:43 No output. 14:21:24 `? grammar 14:21:29 Grammar is just a subset of syntax. 14:22:10 That fails to capture its adversarial nature. 14:22:20 lol... Number = [(43 - 2 * Lowest Value * Second Lowest Value) mod 5] + 3 14:22:21 dead simple 14:22:33 `learn Grammar is the evil subset of syntax. 14:22:38 hth 14:22:38 Relearned 'grammar': Grammar is the evil subset of syntax. 14:23:02 works for me 14:23:55 `learn Grammar is just the evil subset of syntax. 14:24:09 Relearned 'grammar': Grammar is just the evil subset of syntax. 14:24:46 so grammar is to (subset, syntax) as i am to (twin, perl)? 14:24:58 `? myname 14:25:00 myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother. 14:25:08 apparently. 14:25:24 okay 14:25:46 "Actually, when you do a study to test the effect of water on the cancer risk, the number of deaths from cancer is significantly lower in the control group." 14:25:54 seen on the iwc forum. 14:26:17 iwc? 14:26:23 irregular webcomic! 14:26:30 so... people who don't have cancer are less likely to die from cancer? 14:26:31 w 14:26:43 myname: i think you're misinterpreting 14:27:24 to clarify, the previous paragraph: "Really? Aren't you sure Water is carcinogenic, too? After all, 100% of all cancer patients have been exposed to it. " 14:27:38 the control group wouldn't get any water. 14:27:39 oh 14:27:50 and won't die of cancer 14:27:57 (almost certainly) 14:32:10 This is similar to the logic that lets you conclude that infertility is hereditary. (If your parents didn't have any children, you won't have any either.) 14:34:15 (now I wonder how I came to think that they're similar... I guess it's that they combine a medical aspect and tautological/vacuous reasoning) 14:51:43 medical research can be hazardous to your health. 14:51:56 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:13:37 -!- gremlins has joined. 15:15:24 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:18:39 -!- Reece` has joined. 15:19:21 -!- Moon_ has joined. 15:20:39 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:23:05 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:26:50 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:35:14 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:35:21 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:35:43 -!- Reece` has joined. 15:38:36 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:41:46 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:42:14 -!- Moon_ has joined. 15:44:02 -!- gremlins has joined. 15:44:30 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:44:34 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:52:23 TIL: JSON string syntax has an escape character for the forward slash. (But why.) 15:53:37 (It's legal unescaped too, but "\/" is also allowed for "/".) 15:57:02 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:01:51 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:02:39 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:03:36 fizzie: In Javascript's string notation, escaping any character which isn't otherwise special results in just that character. 16:04:00 But that's not JSON. 16:04:08 It's specifically just the /, not any other character. 16:04:15 Oh, that's interesting. 16:04:31 I would have expected them to just steal the string syntax wholesale. 16:04:34 Although that might still be the underlying reason, if (for some reason) there's a lot of use of "\/" in JS strings. 16:04:38 http://www.json.org/string.gif 16:04:49 weird 16:05:34 Maybe it's to make / not jealous of \. 16:07:28 fizzie: oh, that explains why I've seen "\/" a lot in JSON 16:07:36 Still not sure why people would do that though... 16:10:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:33:09 -!- gremlins has joined. 16:33:40 -!- gremlins has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:35:19 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:52:25 -!- copumpkin has joined. 17:07:40 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:12:20 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:17:42 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:30:15 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * M654 * New user account 17:32:30 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:39:16 [wiki] [[User:M654]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47033 * M654 * (+118) Created page with "Heya, I'm m654. My GitHub page is [http://m654z.github.io here], so heck it out if you want to see my newest projects." 17:47:15 [wiki] [[User:M654]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47034&oldid=47033 * M654 * (+1) 17:53:20 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:57:40 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:02:56 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:02:56 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:03:48 [wiki] [[Shard]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47035&oldid=47029 * SMA * (+57) added ShaFuck link 18:09:43 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:09:58 [wiki] [[Tellurium]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47036 * M654 * (+2480) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Tellurium |paradigms=imperative |author=[[m654|User:M654]] |year=[[:Category:2016|2016]] |typesys= |memsys=cell-based |refimpl=[https://github.com/m65..." 18:10:43 [wiki] [[Tellurium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47037&oldid=47036 * M654 * (+11) 18:11:37 [wiki] [[M654]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47038 * M654 * (+23) Redirected page to [[User:M654]] 18:12:13 [wiki] [[User:M654]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47039&oldid=47034 * M654 * (+25) 18:33:32 -!- gremlins has joined. 18:35:29 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:50:35 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:51:49 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:58:19 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:03:29 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:13:42 Is there a nice bit-twiddling hack to extend a bit to fill all higher bits in an int? 19:14:44 E.g. 0000001010101010 -> 1111111010101010 extending bit 10 to fill the higher bits. 19:17:56 -!- gremlins has joined. 19:19:14 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:21:14 impomatic: It's not *that* nice, but you could make one out of the (mostly obvious) https://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#RoundUpPowerOf2 by leaving out the v--;/v++; and adding a orig_v |= ~v; at the end. 19:22:49 (It'd just go 0000001010101010 -> 0000001111111111 -> 1111110000000000 -> 1111111010101010 in the obvious manner.) 19:23:13 Thanks :-) 19:25:07 Maybe better to stick with IF (numb & 0x400) {numb -= 0x800} or whatever I'm currently using. 19:26:27 Oh, you had a particular position you want? I assumed a general "invert all leading zeros left of the most significant set bit". 19:28:33 For the fixed-position case, "(numb << K) >> K" is possibly the simplest thing to do, but only if you happen to have access to a >> that's reliably an arithmetic right shift. 19:29:41 I'll take a look what TCC does 19:29:53 (after I've had an ice cream!) 19:30:31 Standard C's >> is implementation-defined for a signed, negative number, though I think the most common implementation is an arithmetic shift. 19:31:07 Not much of an improvement over the if, though. 19:32:31 No, I'll stick with if, but will test it out of curiosity :-) 19:46:55 <\oren\> ITS HAILING WTFOMGBBQ 19:47:08 <\oren\> `metar CYYZ 19:47:30 I've seen \/ used to break up within js so that it's not recognised by the html parser reading an embedded script 19:47:45 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found 19:48:35 <\oren\> @metar CYYZ 19:49:12 CYYZ 151821Z 31024G31KT 15SM -SHRA SCT042TCU BKN084 04/M01 A2987 RMK TCU4AC2 SLP122 19:51:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:53:04 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:04:04 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:04:20 @metar EGLL 20:04:21 EGLL 151850Z AUTO 33004KT 300V360 9999 NCD 15/04 Q1021 NOSIG 20:08:31 -!- tromp_ has joined. 20:13:18 -!- rdococ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:17:13 -!- Cale has joined. 20:29:57 -!- bender has joined. 20:30:01 -!- bender has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:34:56 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:36:40 -!- tromp_ has joined. 20:45:34 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:46:22 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:52:01 -!- Akaibu has joined. 21:12:57 sigh, I hate it when I'm playing a point and click adventure and it wants me to hold a button for 2 seconds for something to happen. 21:13:55 -!- xfix has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 21:14:03 Does that happen often? 21:15:34 -!- xfix has joined. 21:16:44 well, occasionally 21:20:50 actually going beyond mere point&click happens quite often... but it can be done in unsurprising ways, like pulling levers, or turning gears... 21:23:51 I calculated all nontrivial elementary 1d ca's periodic oscillators 21:24:22 trying to prove turing-completeness of some ca-s 21:24:30 other that rule-110 21:29:19 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: g2g). 21:31:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:34:27 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:37:16 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:53:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:54:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 22:11:58 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:19:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:35:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:39:29 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:44:49 hi 22:44:53 fungot, how are you 22:44:53 b_jonas: because afaik it's for breaking big s-exps up to make them less anonymous :o, i can turn on to make it 22:48:22 how's your long weekend going so far, everyone? 22:48:56 Not very long 22:49:01 I had an exam yesterday and an exam tomorrow 22:50:32 Taneb: I see. what's the exam about this time/ 22:50:49 Yesterday's was coding theory, tomorrow's is character theory 22:51:14 Tuesday's is computation by graph transformation 22:51:36 Wednesday is cryptography, and also correctness of programs by construction 22:51:43 ...this is a lot of C's 22:51:50 Appropriately, I'm all at sea 22:52:47 And sincerely hoping I pass 22:58:32 Those sound scary. 22:58:54 Character theory especially, but the rest too. 22:59:33 My Thursday and Friday exams don't begin with C 22:59:41 Galois Theory and Topology 23:00:11 Those at least sound slightly better, depending on what "topology" covers. It's a bit broad. 23:00:37 hopefully what topology covers is finite 23:00:44 or at least has a finite subcover 23:00:52 One would certainly hope so 23:02:27 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:10:35 -!- Kaynato has joined. 23:14:19 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:14:36 Taneb: wait, you had a coding theory exam in the week-end? 23:14:42 why are you having exams in the week-end? 23:14:47 that only happened to me once 23:15:14 six exams next week sounds like a lot though 23:16:40 b_jonas, I don't know, but Saturday exams are an uncommon but not unheard of thing here 23:18:39 I think we had Saturday exams as well. At least in the exam period schedule sheets -- not sure if I ever ended up in any. I think they tried to schedule the unpopular ones there. 23:18:55 (And what could be less popular than coding theory.) 23:19:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:25:38 Taneb, fizzie: ok 23:25:42 `wisdom 23:25:45 `? manometer 23:26:50 manometer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:26:50 sweden//Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. It's where all the Nobel prizes are announced, except the Math Prize. 23:28:46 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:29:17 `? major 23:29:19 major? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:29:19 `? every major 23:29:21 every major? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:29:53 `slashlearn every major/Just put me down as “undecided” – every major's terrible. 23:30:08 Learned «every major» 23:35:44 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:51:46 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:57:30 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 2016-05-16: 00:01:30 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:02:16 For the fixed-position case, "(numb << K) >> K" is possibly the simplest thing to do, but only if you happen to have access to a >> that's reliably an arithmetic right shift. <-- what about (numb << K) / (1 << K) ? 00:02:55 might need casts 00:03:35 -!- jaboja has joined. 00:05:34 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:06:22 `cat bin/weather 00:06:41 cat: bin/weather: No such file or directory 00:06:42 ....... 00:06:48 wat 00:06:52 oh 00:06:58 `? bin/weather 00:07:00 bin/weather? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:07:06 `? weather 00:07:10 lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK 00:07:14 CYUL 152200Z 31013G23KT 15SM BKN045 OVC100 07/M03 A2965 RMK SC5AC3 SLP043 \ ENVA 152250Z 33007KT 9999 BKN037 06/02 Q1016 RMK WIND 670FT 30007KT \ ESSB 152250Z AUTO 35017G29KT 9999 -DZ BKN013/// OVC015/// 07/04 Q1001 \ KOAK 152253Z 25015KT 10SM FEW020 FEW200 20/12 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP148 T02000122 00:07:14 * oerjan swats his brain -----### 00:08:06 `mkx bin/metar//echo lambdabot: @metar $1 00:08:12 >_> 00:08:12 bin/metar 00:08:19 `metar ENVA 00:08:20 lambdabot: @metar ENVA 00:08:20 ENVA 152250Z 33007KT 9999 BKN037 06/02 Q1016 RMK WIND 670FT 30007KT 00:10:36 @tell \oren\ <\oren\> ITS HAILING WTFOMGBBQ <-- i am not sure this is ideal for BBQ but whatever floats your boat. 00:10:36 Consider it noted. 00:11:18 oerjan: you're probably thinking of a barbecue, i.e. bbc 00:13:49 * oerjan waves the swatter in shachaf's general direction and mumbles something about elderberries -----### 00:14:53 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:17:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:18:36 `? manometer 00:18:39 manometer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:19:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:19:30 oerjan: à la , i'm sure 00:20:57 `learn A manometer is a device for testing real men by putting them under pressure. 00:21:03 Learned 'manometer': A manometer is a device for testing real men by putting them under pressure. 00:21:27 shachaf: APPROXIMATELY 00:35:12 oerjan: / truncates negative numbers to the wrong direction. Consider the case where (numb << K) == -1 -- then the result should be -1 as well, but it's 0 for any K > 0. 00:35:40 fizzie: but it can't be - it's always divisible by 2^K 00:36:01 Oh, that's a-true. 00:39:17 Yeah, I guess that'll work. Although I wonder if compilers are going to be clever enough to realize that. (They quite often seem to implement division by 2^K by shifting + extra adjustments for the rounding.) 00:40:14 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 00:40:30 Huh. At least clang did. Fancy stuff. 00:40:43 gcc didn't. :) 00:42:19 http://sprunge.us/ffTA for the dirt. 00:43:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:44:46 * oerjan downvotes a reddit post solely because the link started playing audio automatically. 00:44:48 (The latter is essentially "t = x << 6; if (t < 0) t += 63; return t >> 6;") 00:45:05 sadly, it already had thousands of upvotes. 00:52:38 `? OS/2 00:52:52 OS/2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:55:46 `le//rn OS/2//OS/2 was an OS, too. 00:56:03 ​/hackenv/le//rn: line 1: wisdom/os/2: Not a directory 00:56:12 wat 00:56:24 `? plan 9 00:56:26 `? plan9 00:56:28 `? plan-9 00:56:30 `? os2 00:56:32 `? os-2 00:56:36 `? os 2 00:56:47 please don't spamckego like that twh 00:56:53 * oerjan swats b_jonas for spamming while he's trying to debug -----### 00:57:06 `? os 00:57:20 good luck 00:57:27 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 00:57:36 sorry 00:57:44 -!- oerjan has kicked b_jonas. 00:57:51 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 00:58:40 No output. 00:58:41 ? 00:59:25 -!- evalj has joined. 00:59:41 shachaf: i say it's still overloaded. 01:00:54 No output. 01:00:54 No output. 01:00:54 No output. 01:00:55 os2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:00:56 No output. 01:00:58 Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway. 01:01:17 thought so. alas there cannot be both a file and a directory by the same name... 01:06:23 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 01:06:43 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 01:13:19 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:14:25 -!- Melvar` has joined. 01:14:29 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:18:33 -!- Melvar`` has joined. 01:20:50 -!- Melvar` has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:47:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:00:10 -!- ybden has joined. 02:13:19 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: :)rando:)Get :) to Mars(). 02:14:56 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:19:27 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:25:04 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:35:59 -!- b_jonas has joined. 02:36:56 b_jonas: sorry if i insulted you. it was meant as a joke. 02:37:25 oerjan: I know. (I started a jevalbot instance to watch the channel, in case it wasn't obvious.) 02:38:03 oh. i didn't connect that. 02:39:09 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 02:41:09 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:42:51 `randomcard d.*(r.*(o.*m|m.*o)|o.*(r.*m|m.*r)|m.*(r.*o|o.*r)).*ka 02:42:58 `random-card d.*(r.*(o.*m|m.*o)|o.*(r.*m|m.*r)|m.*(r.*o|o.*r)).*ka 02:43:34 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:43:56 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: randomcard: not found 02:44:07 Dromoka Captain \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/1 \ First strike \ Whenever Dromoka Captain attacks, bolster 1. (Choose a creature with the least toughness among creatures you control and put a +1/+1 counter on it.) \ DTK-U 02:44:14 `random-card d.*(r.*(o.*m|m.*o)|o.*(r.*m|m.*r)|m.*(r.*o|o.*r)).*ka 02:44:28 `random-card fury 02:44:37 Dromoka Warrior \ 1W \ Creature -- Human Warrior \ 3/1 \ DTK-C 02:44:38 Vampiric Fury \ 1R \ Instant \ Vampire creatures you control get +2/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn. \ ISD-C 02:45:01 `random-card multikick 02:45:05 Lightkeeper of Emeria \ 3W \ Creature -- Angel \ 2/4 \ Multikicker {W} (You may pay an additional {W} any number of times as you cast this spell.) \ Flying \ When Lightkeeper of Emeria enters the battlefield, you gain 2 life for each time it was kicked. \ WWK-U, CMD-U 02:46:31 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:56:36 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:00:13 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:07:56 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:26:08 What does "free ranging moons" means? 03:26:31 Left adjoint to forgetful ranging moons, presumably? 03:26:56 O, that's what it means. OK 03:36:00 more likely it means moons yanked from their orbits and turned into comets or dwarf planets or, even more free ranging, sent hurtling out into interstellar space 03:36:46 O, OK, but what is containing it anyways? 03:39:27 I was at Victoria today and also yesterday. 03:47:19 Were you ever in Bellingham? 03:48:08 No 03:48:21 (Possibly; I don't actually remember, but I do not think so) 03:49:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:52:31 Were you ever in the United States? 03:53:53 Yes I was, but I do not know what name of places they are. The food is better in Canada though. 03:55:08 Are you sure it's not better in California? 03:56:48 I think I have been in California, and I think the food is better in Canada, even if it is the same restaurant chain. 04:00:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:02:51 Which restaurant chain? 04:03:13 I forgot, but it is any of them I have tried. 04:04:24 Canada and California are very similar. 04:04:46 At least the first two letters (and also the last letter) is similar. 04:04:52 They both start with "ca" and in fact that's used as the standard abbreviaton. 04:04:53 They both have a place called Ontario. 04:04:57 They both have poutine. 04:05:24 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:05:42 It is a different use for country code or state code though. 04:15:03 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 04:19:18 -!- Kaynato has joined. 04:37:06 Do not grow the grass by pulling it. 04:52:51 -!- \oren\ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:01:59 -!- MDude has joined. 05:15:52 -!- drdanmaku has quit. 05:16:17 -!- xkapastel has joined. 05:54:56 -!- u0_a201 has joined. 05:55:01 hi 05:55:08 -!- u0_a201 has changed nick to moon_. 05:55:43 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:00:20 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:17:21 Renku is just the Japanese version of Rap Battles, isn't it? 06:18:33 `danddreclist 78 06:19:12 danddreclist 78: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex 06:19:48 lynn: should that file be adjusted hth 06:21:46 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:29:30 -!- Kaynato has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:40:40 I expect the next one would involve Drusila and Zeux Agem and so on. 06:45:26 Do you like this? 06:47:17 What is this theorem called: If a category has at least two objects, and has n final objects, then the number of monads on that category is greater or equal to n+1. 06:58:18 :I was writing ideas for a specification of a new kind of computer I may make in future. One of the things is that the main processor and video processor both have exclusive access to video memory. There are also many others, including some hardware and software features I have seen nowhere before (although I have seen similar things). 07:00:10 I am writing it into the computer in the intention to be unpatentable. How exactly does this work anyways? 07:01:42 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:06:30 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:12:52 zzo38: I don't think it has a name. 07:13:08 zzo38: Do people care about monads and terminal objects more than just up to isomorphism, anyway? 07:13:49 I don't know? 07:14:45 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:15:23 shachaf: hahaha, I can think of a weird case where it matters 07:16:57 Cale: What case do you think of? 07:19:05 shachaf: Given a ring R and a small category C, you can define R[C] to be the free R-module whose basis is the set of arrows of C, and you can define a multiplication on it in a convolution-y way where you define the product of arrows which don't compose to be 0, and define it to be their composite when they do. 07:19:15 oh, and zzo38 07:19:56 and then if you take the indiscrete category on n objects, this is the ring of n-by-n matrices with coefficients in R 07:20:30 So, you care about the distinction between your terminal objects in that case 07:21:13 If it's the discrete category on n objects, this the same as R^n 07:21:39 If it's the preorder category for the natural numbers, it's the polynomial ring R[x] 07:22:00 I've made a similar complaint about distinguishability for both indiscrete categories and indiscrete topologies. 07:22:43 The full subcategory of Top of discrete spaces is equivalent to Set. That makes sense, because discrete spaces behave like sets. 07:23:12 But the full subcategory of Top of indiscrete spaces is isomorphic to it. What's that all about? 07:23:31 Well, any function between indiscrete spaces is continuous 07:23:34 Sure. 07:23:50 You're not taking equivalence classes of topologically indistinguishable maps 07:23:56 But it seems to me that an indiscrete space "ought" to behave in such a way that you can't distinguish its elements. 07:24:00 Clearly it doesn't here. 07:24:11 People talk about equivalence of categories rather than isomorphism of categories because of this issue. 07:24:25 Maybe I want the same thing for topological spaces. 07:24:44 Anyway you can make the same complaint about e.g. discrete/indiscrete categories, or discrete/indiscrete preorders. 07:24:56 Those are really all the same sort of thing. 07:26:54 You can replace the arrows in Top with equivalence classes of arrows where if f and g are cts. maps X -> Y, then f ~ g whenever for all x in X, you have f(x) and g(x) are topologically indistinguishable in Y. 07:27:13 I think that'll sort things out 07:27:40 Right. Does that category have a name? Why don't people use it instead of Top? 07:27:40 Alternately, you can restrict Top to not have shitty topological spaces in it 07:28:09 Do homotopies relate to this? Since category equivalence is defined in terms of natural transformations. 07:28:14 This is why people work with Hausdorff spaces instead 07:28:35 But lots of interesting spaces aren't Hausdorff. 07:28:44 well, yeah 07:28:56 Even the Sierpinski space isn't Hausdorff. 07:29:05 That space seems pretty fundamental to me. 07:29:13 Where "lots", is "mostly Zariski topologies" 07:29:22 and yeah, the computational synthetic topology stuff 07:30:19 Topology without the Sierpinski space seems like set theory without Bool. 07:30:22 The Sierpinski space is usually more relevant as a counterexample for topologists, than as something which is used as the foundation to build more stuff. 07:30:36 But I'm probably not thinking about it from the typical topology perspective. 07:30:37 At least, that's my impression 07:32:20 Homotopy can't distinguish it from a point, so once you get to any of the algebraic topology stuff, it's not so relevant either. 07:33:09 Probably I should learn about algebraic topology. 07:35:17 Anyway what you said reminded me of a question I was asking the other day. 07:36:36 In convolution there are three operations, right? (f * g)(z) = \A_{i,j | b(i,j) = z}{ c(f(i)g(j)) } 07:36:40 You have A, b, c 07:36:49 Er, c(f(i),g(j)) 07:37:18 So say A is integral, b is addition, c is multiplication. 07:37:26 heh, sure 07:37:40 People vary all three of those, don't they? 07:37:42 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 07:37:45 yep 07:37:50 Anyway, is there a case where c is something like composition in a category? 07:38:01 I described that a moment ago 07:38:16 Well, you were just assigning 0 where the composition doesn't exist. 07:38:17 That's... literally how we began this discussion 07:38:24 Well, I guess that has the same effect. 07:38:30 yeah, and the composite otherwise :) 07:38:41 It's basically just "avoid the things you can't compose" 07:39:05 OK, then you answered my question from last week, rather than just reminded me of it. 07:39:18 I'd rather say that you don't sum over those things in the first than that the sum is 0, but whatever. 07:39:27 There's a different way to do it too 07:39:39 The other question I asked was what requirements people usually put on b. 07:39:53 -!- hppavilion[2] has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Contains only freely-mooned ranges | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | The overdone city meme has RISEN from its burial place in Truth or Consequences (not Hot Springs) in search of BRAINS. 07:40:17 Often people require it to be a group, which is way too much, of course (you don't need inverses). 07:40:34 But can it be a non-associative operation? I saw something that at least resembled a convolution with a non-associative operation. 07:40:35 R[[C]] is similar, but we require C to be a small category with finite factorisation, i.e. for any f: A -> C, there exist finitely many pairs of arrows g: B -> C and h: A -> B such that f = g . h 07:40:55 and then instead of just taking the free R-module on the arrows, we can take all functions Arr(C) -> R 07:40:56 -!- shachaf has set topic: The international hub of solidity matrices | Contains only freely-mooned ranges | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 07:41:11 and the convolution still works out because there are only finitely many ways to factor any given arrow 07:41:24 So we can still take the sum 07:41:41 This is a generalisation of Gian-Carlo Rota's incidence algebras 07:42:04 (where you get incidence algebras when the category is a preorder category) 07:42:47 and now if you take C to be the preorder category on the naturals, you get the power series ring R[[X]] 07:43:18 You mean the totally ordered preorder category? 07:43:34 The preorder category for omega 07:43:49 (first infinite ordinal) 07:45:09 Hmm, this incidence algebra convolution looks unusual. 07:45:45 (f * g)(a,b) = \Sum_{a ≤ x ≤ b} { f(a,x)g(x,b) } 07:47:02 When you do convolutions of two discrete sequences, you get something that operates over the antidiagonals, right? 07:53:49 Yeah, if I understand what you mean correctly, you get something like polynomials 07:54:06 or power series 07:54:40 I mean, say you have [a,b,c] [d,e,f] 07:55:07 You can make the multiplication table 07:55:10 ad ae af 07:55:10 bd be bf 07:55:10 cf ce cf 07:55:21 And you have the antidiagonals [ad] [ae,bd] [af,be,cf] etc. 07:55:23 right 07:55:44 Is that something like polynomials? 07:55:45 If you pick [a,b,c] = [d,e,f] = [0,1,2] 07:55:51 and multiplication to be addition 07:56:37 x^n * x^m = x^(n+m) 07:58:01 Someone was talking about the convolution where A is min and b/c are addition. 07:58:42 sounds tropical 07:59:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_geometry 08:00:09 Anyway, if you pick b=(-), you get diagonals instead of antidiagonals. 08:00:25 {i,j | i-j=0} and so on. 08:01:33 Cale: That must be why the person who asked this question is going to Hawaii. 08:03:18 So is convolution with (-) still convolution? What properties should the three different operators satisfy? 08:03:20 "The adjective tropical in this context was coined by French mathematicians in honor of the Hungarian-born Brazilian mathematician Imre Simon, who wrote on the field." 08:03:54 Presumably you want c to be associative, otherwise you'd end up with something strange. 08:05:38 Well, perhaps we could compromise, and make it x^a x^b = (1/2) (x^(a-b) + x^(b-a)) 08:05:47 Well, I was actually thinking about A when I said that, so that doesn't make sense anyway. 08:06:36 Day convolution also shows some extra structure that you don't see in typical convolution. 08:06:39 (with the exponentiation being a little inappropriate now) 08:07:31 Where you have something like \(Co)End { f(x)g(y)Hom(xy,-) } 08:07:57 _{x,y} 08:08:36 Now, for all these wildly different kinds of convolution, we need a Fourier theory 08:09:20 That's one of those things I never learned much about that I really should. 08:11:37 If f and g are integrable functions with Fourier transforms F and G respectively, and the convolution f * g is defined by (f * g)(x) = integral over R of f(t) g(x - t) dt 08:12:15 Then the Fourier transform of f * g is given by the pointwise product F G 08:12:45 i.e. the Fourier transform turns convolution into multiplication 08:13:00 Also the Dirac delta is apparently the identity for convolution. What does that mean in all these contexts? 08:13:57 (Or even in any context?) 08:14:02 Well, that's because (f * delta)(x) = integral over R of f(t) delta(x-t) dt = f(x) pretty much by definition of Dirac delta. 08:14:25 Right. 08:14:46 I guess there's a better-behaved equivalent in discrete contexts. 08:15:31 Oh, right, I missed your actual question 08:15:39 which is what's the analogous thing in the other contexts 08:16:20 Though, Dirac delta is even only a thing in the original context if you pretty much go out of your way to force it to be 08:27:49 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:03:07 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:07:37 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:31:09 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:58:30 -!- ybden has joined. 10:43:41 -!- variable has joined. 10:45:35 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 11:05:59 -!- Melvar`` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:14:55 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:20:42 -!- Melvar`` has joined. 11:32:25 -!- boily has joined. 11:37:02 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:41:17 -!- puckipedia has joined. 11:48:42 -!- Melvar`` has changed nick to Melvar. 11:53:48 @metar CYUL 11:53:48 CYUL 161000Z 27018G25KT 15SM FEW025 OVC050 03/M03 A2978 RMK SC2SC6 SLP087 11:53:52 @metar ENVA 11:53:52 ENVA 161020Z 28005KT 9999 SCT043 09/01 Q1013 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 31004KT 11:56:03 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:00:26 @metar EGLL 12:00:28 EGLL 161050Z AUTO 26006KT 200V290 9999 BKN033 14/06 Q1021 NOSIG 12:08:08 `random-card \Bshro 12:08:17 `random-card [a-x]kni 12:09:58 No output. 12:09:58 No output. 12:10:11 what? 12:10:24 `random-card ykn 12:10:31 Kjeldoran Skyknight \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Knight \ 1/1 \ Flying; first strike; banding (Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding you control are blocking or being blocked by a creature, you divide that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among a 12:10:40 `random-card nkshr 12:10:43 Cephalid Inkshrouder \ 2U \ Creature -- Cephalid \ 2/1 \ Discard a card: Cephalid Inkshrouder gains shroud until end of turn and can't be blocked this turn. (A creature with shroud can't be the target of spells or abilities.) \ JUD-U 12:10:50 why doesn't \Bshro match that? 12:11:21 `random-card \Bshro 12:11:25 Skyshroud Sentinel \ 2G \ Creature -- Elf \ 1/1 \ When Skyshroud Sentinel enters the battlefield, you may search your library for up to three cards named Skyshroud Sentinel, reveal them, and put them into your hand. If you do, shuffle your library. \ NE-C 12:11:30 ah, better 12:11:35 `random-card [a-x]kni 12:11:38 Tuknir Deathlock \ RRGG \ Legendary Creature -- Human Wizard \ 2/2 \ Flying \ {R}{G}, {T}: Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. \ LE-R, ME3-U 12:11:41 maybe it timed out or got killed or something 12:11:53 ``` cat bin/random-card 12:11:56 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e'open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?mi:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand(@c)];' "$1" 12:13:12 ``` perl -pe 's/( \$c[rand(\@c)])/($1||"No card found.")/' bin/random-card 12:13:14 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e'open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?mi:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand(@c)];' "$1" 12:13:38 ``` perl -pe 's/( \$c\[rand(\@c)])/($1||"No card found.")/' bin/random-card 12:13:40 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e'open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?mi:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print $c[rand(@c)];' "$1" 12:13:48 ``` perl -pe 's/( \$c\[rand\(\@c\)])/($1||"No card found.")/' bin/random-card 12:13:50 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e'open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?mi:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print( $c[rand(@c)]||"No card found.");' "$1" 12:13:57 ``` perl -pe 's/ (\$c\[rand\(\@c\)])/($1||"No card found.")/' bin/random-card 12:13:59 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e'open$I,"<","share/mtg/allsets.txt"or die$!;$/=""; @c=grep{/(?mi:$ARGV[0])/}<$I>; print($c[rand(@c)]||"No card found.");' "$1" 12:14:06 ``` perl -pi e 's/ (\$c\[rand\(\@c\)])/($1 || "No card found.")/' bin/random-card 12:14:08 Can't open perl script "e": No such file or directory 12:14:13 ``` perl -pi -e 's/ (\$c\[rand\(\@c\)])/($1 || "No card found.")/' bin/random-card 12:14:20 No output. 12:14:22 `random-card [a-x]kni 12:14:25 `random-card kk 12:14:26 Tuknir Deathlock \ RRGG \ Legendary Creature -- Human Wizard \ 2/2 \ Flying \ {R}{G}, {T}: Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. \ LE-R, ME3-U 12:14:33 Sekki, Seasons' Guide \ 5GGG \ Legendary Creature -- Spirit \ 0/0 \ Sekki, Seasons' Guide enters the battlefield with eight +1/+1 counters on it. \ If damage would be dealt to Sekki, prevent that damage, remove that many +1/+1 counters from Sekki, and put that many 1/1 colorless Spirit creature tokens onto the battlefield. \ Sacrifice eight Spirits 12:14:36 `random-card thsh 12:14:39 Earthshaker \ 4RR \ Creature -- Spirit \ 4/5 \ Whenever you cast a Spirit or Arcane spell, Earthshaker deals 2 damage to each creature without flying. \ CHK-U 12:14:45 `random-card thshr 12:14:50 No card found. 12:14:53 good 12:15:06 now if it prints "No output." then something went wrong 12:15:28 `card-by-name lavas 12:15:33 Lavastep Raider \ R \ Creature -- Goblin Warrior \ 1/2 \ {2}{R}: Lavastep Raider gets +2/+0 until end of turn. \ BFZ-C 12:15:44 `random-card spike 12:15:46 Lava Spike \ R \ Sorcery -- Arcane \ Lava Spike deals 3 damage to target player. \ CHK-C, MMA-C 12:15:54 `random-card spook 12:15:56 No card found. 12:16:15 `random-card cuttlefish 12:16:18 No card found. 12:18:49 `random-card ch.*th 12:18:52 Stonehorn Chanter \ 5W \ Creature -- Rhino Cleric \ 4/4 \ {5}{W}: Stonehorn Chanter gains vigilance and lifelink until end of turn. (Attacking doesn't cause it to tap. Damage dealt by it also causes you to gain that much life.) \ M14-U 12:22:24 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DIFFICULT CHICKEN). 12:28:13 -!- Human_61 has joined. 12:51:04 -!- LewisMCYoutube has joined. 12:55:25 -!- LewisMCYoutube has quit (Client Quit). 13:04:28 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:09:17 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:39:40 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47040&oldid=46982 * M654 * (+16) 13:48:09 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:48:21 -!- MDude has joined. 13:53:18 `? many time pad 13:53:32 `wisdom 13:53:45 -!- Naraka has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 13:54:22 copumpkin//copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. 13:54:22 No output. 13:54:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:58:51 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:59:52 president of anything at all? 14:00:03 -!- ^v has joined. 14:05:53 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:09:02 -!- Naraka has joined. 14:10:06 -!- Naraka has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 14:10:23 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 14:10:53 -!- Naraka has joined. 14:14:16 * variable does a jig 14:14:29 * oerjan plays the hornpipe 14:14:45 any occasion? 14:17:36 weed? 14:18:02 I don't think weed generally causes people to dance 14:19:04 * oerjan wouldn't know one way or the other 14:19:22 1quote 14:19:24 `quote 14:19:26 `quote 14:19:27 `quote 14:19:43 628) if the halting problem was solved, as a placebo.. would it benefit people? 14:19:45 729) nortti: fizzie has done some impressive stuff in befunge, which is essentially the two-dimensional version of finnish politics. 14:19:45 279) i actually do like sucking 14:20:05 oh itidus 14:22:56 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:26:30 -!- variable has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 14:37:22 *sigh* heavy beats penetrating the building. 14:37:52 Ok. 14:37:52 i expected a party today but had hoped it'd not get this bad this early. 14:37:57 Ok. 14:38:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:38:58 (it's 3:38 in the afternoon.) 14:40:26 `? interactive toxic waste exhibit 14:40:27 just the beats, mind you. i cannot hear the actual _tunes_. the building only lets through the sounds it know i hate tdnh 14:40:30 interactive toxic waste exhibit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:40:35 *knows 14:40:44 b_jonas: good idea 14:40:56 throw in some radioactivity. 14:40:58 oerjan: http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/comic/millie/comic?n=20070302 and following strip 14:41:08 it's not my idea 14:42:30 do you have a full mirror 14:42:39 (clicking next worked) 14:42:45 oerjan: yes 14:42:55 oerjan: http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/comic/millie/index 14:47:58 -!- Melvar` has joined. 14:49:03 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:49:45 `? ozy and mille 14:49:47 ozy and mille? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:49:50 `? ozy and millie 14:49:52 ozy and millie? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:50:09 -!- Akaibu has joined. 14:50:59 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:07:53 oh I actually read that to the end... 15:09:20 int-e: good. I like that comic strip. 15:09:31 (I don't put up mirrors of just anything. O&M is great.) 15:10:54 -!- Human_61 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:11:46 The direct links to images on the original site from my mirror are broken though, because they changed the url. Let me try to fix that. 15:19:46 I should also figure out what to do with the House Rules site, which has been down for a while. Let me check if some pages of it are on archive.org 15:22:03 yup, https://web.archive.org/web/20120904022248/http://houserules.org.uk/index.php?page=archive&date=19980429 15:22:20 I'll have to change the House Rules links to archive.org then 15:22:57 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:29:43 -!- spiette has joined. 15:30:52 [wiki] [[CUTLASS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47041&oldid=37058 * 160.44.230.213 * (-11) Updated to reflect E.ON organisational changes. 15:34:47 -!- alandipert has joined. 15:34:56 hi alandipert 15:35:52 hi 15:36:14 i heard fizzie emailed you 15:36:39 he did 15:36:47 going to attempt transferring the domain to him 15:37:07 it's a delicate operation 15:37:23 i think he's idle at the moment. 15:38:37 cool. i'll stick around 15:39:20 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:43:45 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:46:37 -!- IRIXUser has quit (Changing host). 15:46:37 -!- IRIXUser has joined. 15:46:39 -!- IRIXUser has changed nick to JX7P. 16:28:58 In http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1461 , Marten says to Faye and Hannelore “You to befriended me via bullying and stalking respectively.” I know Faye stalked Marten near the start of the comic, when Faye burned down her house them moved in with Marten then persuaded Marten to move to a larger place, 16:29:09 but what's he trying to say about Marigold? I don't recall any of that. 16:42:42 -!- Naraka has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:43:30 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 16:59:14 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:10:46 -!- zadock has joined. 17:13:47 `random-card pl.*n 17:14:03 `random-card \A.*pl.*n 17:14:48 Replenish \ 3W \ Sorcery \ Return all enchantment cards from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Auras with nothing to enchant remain in your graveyard.) \ UD-R 17:14:48 Duplicant \ 6 \ Artifact Creature -- Shapeshifter \ 2/4 \ Imprint -- When Duplicant enters the battlefield, you may exile target nontoken creature. \ As long as a card exiled with Duplicant is a creature card, Duplicant has the power, toughness, and creature types of the last creature card exiled with Duplicant. It's still a Shapeshifter. \ MRD-R, 17:14:51 -!- zadock has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:20:40 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:24:05 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:24:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:27:00 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 17:29:01 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:32:07 sadly, web.archive.org doesn't seem to have archived most of the Ozy and Millie House Rules strips 17:33:05 oh hey look 17:33:10 has #1036 been olisted yet? 17:33:12 shachaf: 17:33:26 let me check the logs 17:33:28 not by me 17:33:32 please see logs in the topic 17:33:41 but now i'm going to be double-pinged :'( 17:33:43 `olist 1036 17:33:53 olist 1036: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 17:34:05 shachaf: sadly the logs don't seem to be up to date 17:34:15 The tunes logs are. 17:34:17 let me check the other logs 17:35:27 hmm, where had I heared that name before? 17:35:32 oh right, the Fairy Queen 17:35:38 `random-card fairy queen 17:35:42 No card found. 17:35:46 um 17:36:04 `random-card queen of the fae 17:36:06 Oona, Queen of the Fae \ 3(u/b)(u/b)(u/b) \ Legendary Creature -- Faerie Wizard \ 5/5 \ Flying \ {X}{(u/b)}: Choose a color. Target opponent exiles the top X cards of his or her library. 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ca 18:39:19 ca? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:39:47 ...burning desert hellscape doesn't sound like a good place to be 18:40:04 @metar KOAK 18:40:05 KOAK 161653Z 20003KT 10SM FEW012 16/11 A3000 RMK AO2 SLP160 T01610106 18:40:07 @metar CYYZ 18:40:10 CYYZ 161700Z 27010G24KT 210V300 15SM FEW045 FEW095 SCT230 14/03 A3004 RMK CU1AC2CI1 CU TR SLP179 18:40:20 I hope their implementation of INhs is up to spec... though spec version 2006, not spec version 2016... 18:40:50 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:45:41 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:56:34 @metar KATL 18:56:37 KATL 161752Z 12008KT 10SM FEW080 SCT150 BKN250 22/04 A3018 RMK AO2 SLP216 T02220044 10228 20139 58011 19:15:37 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:22:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:33:38 Cale: Are there names for the three different operations of convolutions? 19:33:45 Or a more general way to talk about them or something? 19:34:28 I don't really know if anyone's attempted to really try to abstract over what's going on there -- at least, any more than the category algebra definition. 19:35:25 Cale: I'm starting to understand your advice about baking in the monad stack 19:35:59 [wiki] [[Cryptoleq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47042&oldid=46449 * Ditihala * (+30) /* External Resources */ 19:36:19 shachaf: I had the thought the other night that perhaps if our category had additional structure, we could integrate over the choices of factorisations. 19:37:10 since, for instance, I want to be able to tack on additional structure sometimes (a la Reader) but don't want to risk confusing things more 19:37:25 coppro: The fact that I never use the word "stack" in reference to monads should tell you something about the way I think about it :) 19:38:20 Cale is giving advice about baking in the monad stack? 19:38:33 That sounds like something Eugenia Cheng would do. 19:38:38 hah 19:38:55 I think he's referring to my advice to always newtype 19:39:11 and hide the fact that you're using monad transformers to implement whatever it is you're implementing 19:39:17 yep 19:39:34 `rot13 Cale 19:39:38 I think I may still use the monad classes, to get standard combinators 19:39:43 Pnyr 19:40:04 but I'm definitely seeing the value in baking things together 20:00:21 -!- ybden has changed nick to hive. 20:01:03 -!- hive has changed nick to ybden. 20:03:45 What is "baking in the monad stack"? 20:04:19 i,i ybden is now known as molum 20:04:34 shachaf: Haha 20:04:48 shachaf: That's actually what my nick was derived from 20:05:02 I figured. 20:05:03 -!- ybden has changed nick to molum. 20:05:24 zzo38: using a newtype or the like to hide your monad transformer stack 20:05:33 shachaf: thanks for the other nick :) 20:17:41 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 20:28:38 -!- molum has changed nick to ybden. 20:30:29 molybdenum? i 'ardly know 'em! 20:33:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:52:58 -!- LewisMCYoutube has joined. 20:56:08 i like pie. 20:57:27 mmmm pie 20:58:01 @unpl (\a b -> b a) (\b -> b) u 20:58:01 (u (\ b -> u)) 20:59:00 yay, variable capture. 20:59:01 int-e: oops 20:59:17 (it's been reported: https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/issues/142 ) 20:59:30 spot of the alpha conversion, governor? 20:59:41 Actually you don't need alpha conversion for this case. 20:59:49 @unpl (\a a -> a) b 20:59:49 (\ a -> b) 20:59:50 But you need it for more complicated cases. 20:59:55 I guess that's the simplest. 21:00:12 Well, that's just an error. 21:00:23 @unpl (\a -> \a -> a) b 21:00:24 (\ a -> b) 21:00:32 > (\a a -> a) 0 0 21:00:34 Conflicting definitions for ‘a’ 21:00:34 Bound at: :1:3 21:00:34 :1:5 21:00:40 didn't know that. 21:00:46 > (\a -> \a -> a) 0 0 21:00:49 0 21:01:03 are you testing it with 0 and 0 to be confusing on purpose hth 21:01:05 but as far as @unpl is concerned that makes no difference. 21:01:06 s/confusing/ambiguous/ 21:01:12 YES! 21:01:19 > (\a -> \a -> a) a a 21:01:21 a 21:05:27 What was the case where alpha conversion is really necessary? 21:05:30 I always forget it. 21:06:02 shachaf: no, that's (\a -> \a -> a) a b 21:06:14 > (\a -> \a -> a) 0 1 21:06:15 1 21:06:23 ? 21:06:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:06:44 I once wrote a lambda expression interpreter that got that exact thing wrong, so the inner binding couldn't successfully shadow the outer binding, and it used the outer binding 21:07:16 The a a thing was a joke, modeled after int-e's joke. 21:07:34 hey, what's a good BrainFuck program that isn't Lost Kingdom as a good test for a BrainFuck interpreter? 21:07:59 b_jonas: But you don't actually need alpha conversion for that, do you? 21:08:15 (To be more precise, one that isn't on the order of several MiB and uses tons of cycles... it's not a fast interpreter) 21:08:59 bye 21:09:01 -!- LewisMCYoutube has left. 21:09:33 shachaf: \x -> (\f x -> f) (\y -> x) ~> \x -> (\x -> \y -> x) 21:09:35 there's something simpler, but for example, (\f x. f (f (f (f x)))) (\a y z. a (y z)) has (\x y z z1 z2 z3. x (y z z1 z2 z3)) as its normal form. 21:09:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:10:00 which has more bound variables then you started out with. 21:10:25 dolio's example is pretty simple. 21:11:21 dolio's is not fully named apart. 21:11:33 ? 21:11:47 there are two bound variables called 'x' in there. 21:12:30 (I'm looking for something stronger where doing alpha only up front doesn't work) 21:12:31 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 21:12:42 Ah, fair enough. 21:21:11 shachaf: no, you just need to keep the bindings in order, appending new bindings to the start of the binding list, and look up the first binding to a given name every time. 21:21:41 Aren't the two lines posted above counterexamples to that? 21:22:24 dunno 21:23:09 `unidecode ’ 21:23:58 ​[U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK] 21:29:34 @unpl (\c -> c c) (\a b -> b (a b)) 21:29:34 (\ c -> c c) (\ a b -> b (a b)) 21:30:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:31:25 @pl (\c -> c c) (\a b -> b (a b)) 21:31:25 ap id (ap id) 21:31:33 given no suggestions... this is really slow and mostly untested, but it should interpret the code correctly: 21:31:34 @unpl ap id (ap id) 21:31:34 (\ f -> return ((\ a -> a) f ((\ m h -> (m >>= \ i -> return ((\ b -> b) h i)) h) f)) f) 21:31:35 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/bp-brainfuck-jonripleylostkng.BytePusher 21:32:01 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:33:12 expect weirdness and perhaps a "Yield Failure" - that means I made the interpreter too fast. 21:34:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:34:30 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:42:48 -!- tromp_ has joined. 21:46:24 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:47:10 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:49:11 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:53:07 hmm no fizzie today? 21:53:16 No fizzie? 21:53:41 (this was a ping in disguise) 21:54:04 (what if mine was too) 21:54:20 that woyld be too subtle for me 21:54:24 fungot, how many? 21:54:24 b_jonas: r5rs is the de facto standard 21:54:30 or would. 21:54:30 heh 21:54:48 ^style 21:54:48 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 21:54:56 ^style wp 21:54:56 Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) 21:55:32 fungot: strong disagree 21:55:32 shachaf: 02:15, june 12, 2007.. 76.184.221.233 ( talk block) ( removed dollar sign wikilinks) 21:55:59 fungot: don't you quote commit logs at me 21:55:59 shachaf: then its done, once these steps are completed the article is fnord erroneous and needs to be added to the article quality at all. 21:56:05 fungot: again with less dates and numbers? 21:56:05 olsner: ' ' ' does this imply someone removed an innocuous link to a site called ' fnord'" 21:56:15 fungot: I think it does! 21:56:15 olsner: otherwise send this article to its fate. the moment he agreed to delete her from his mind. i think there is a major cabinet portfolio but then we're told that peters is outside cabinet. how are those reconciled? i see there is grounds for coverage for this controversy fnord said fnord 21:56:26 hilsner 21:56:39 `quote alphanum 21:56:39 * gamemanj baps fungot 21:56:39 gamemanj: ' ' ' fnord fnord'" is being used under wikipedia:fair usefair use but there is 21:56:47 ... 21:56:48 tja shachaf 21:56:52 just... what? 21:57:05 where does fnord come into wikipedia talk pages 21:57:12 it just fnords right in there 21:57:23 1136) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." 21:57:24 gamemanj: It's all over the place. 21:57:35 You don't see the fnords? 21:57:54 the fnords could also be [REDACTED] 21:58:47 heh 22:01:24 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:05:28 @unpl f a = \a -> a 22:05:28 f a a = a; 22:06:07 @unpl \a -> \a -> a 22:06:07 \ a a -> a 22:06:10 thought so. 22:06:30 oh this is just golden. 22:06:34 "-- TODO: avoid captures while substituting" 22:06:36 Isn't that just const? 22:06:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:06:48 prooftechnique: yes but that's besides the point. 22:07:05 prooftechnique: the point is that both inputs are legal, and both outputs are illegal in Haskell 22:07:56 Actually, I guess it's flip const. Whoops 22:08:54 at what point in computational power hierarchy does it become possible to construct an "universal X-machine" 22:09:25 I mean, a machine of computational power X able to be emulate any other machine of the class given right input 22:10:18 1-stack PDA not possible, and turing machine possible, but say is it possible to construct "universal primitive recursive function" 22:13:03 nortti: I don't think you can do that. a primitive recursive function is always time bound by some knuth arrow function of its input size, with a fixed number of arrows, so if you take any one, then it can't emulate primitive recursive functions with a higher number of knuth arrows. 22:13:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:15:28 nortti: does that make sense? 22:16:58 This code is evil... it takes a shortcut: Rather than traversing the AST and keeping track of free names, it relies on a Generic instance and uses "everywhere" to substitute variables by a new expression. 22:17:50 b_jonas: yeah. was just thinking that as primitive recursive's time is limited by input, if you could encode in the input how much time it'd need, but I guess it cannot work 22:19:06 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:20:02 -!- `^_^v has joined. 22:20:04 @unpl \a -> b (\c -> b) a 22:20:04 b (\ c -> b) 22:20:08 @unpl \a -> b (\a -> b) a 22:20:08 \ a -> b (\ a -> b) a 22:20:25 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:22:19 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 22:25:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:43:22 -!- tromp_ has joined. 22:47:32 @tell gamemanj rare words have been pruned from some models, and in those cases fungot renders OOV words as 'fnord' 22:47:32 Consider it noted. 22:47:32 fizzie: please go to fnord image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with wp:fufair use. 22:47:34 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:47:53 Also that thing's gone through the laziest wiki markup removal in the word. 22:48:05 -!- boily has joined. 22:48:13 /whois spoilers 22:49:10 "wp:fufair use" comes from [[WP:FU|fair use]] or some-such. 22:49:43 fiziello. what's a wp:fu? 22:49:50 (And similarly for the earlier "wikipedia:fair usefair use". 22:49:58 boily: See recent fungot babbling. 22:49:58 fizzie: a few years before there really is any version of the bible", thomas nelson publishers ( nashville, fnord, 22:50:14 * boily consults the fungot 22:50:14 boily: ' ' ' fnord'" is being used on this article. 22:50:41 fungot: greet boily 22:50:41 olsner: i could not give a fnord if na was gay. in other words, it doesn't add much relevance to the rest of the article mentions a " cliff". span style="border: 1px solid fnord style="background: fnord 20:37, 29 november 2007 ( utc) 22:51:03 Yeah. 22:51:05 solid fnord. 22:51:31 hellolsnorder. 22:51:44 fnorboily 22:51:45 ^style homestuck 22:51:45 Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) 22:52:04 Let's do something different, the wp style makes me just sad about how lazy I've been. 22:52:15 Although I don't think this one was a particularly good one either. 22:53:13 fungot 22:53:14 olsner: at the time of impact, a large, white structure that looked like a blue one too which was way more awesome shades in the style his bro dropped. she knows it. she's a huge culprit was. you can still be a way that it shakes is the same. trolls think fashion is stupid. stop doing nothing but wondering what could it be the same as the word " crazy" 22:53:52 vaguely coherenty 23:00:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:09:58 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 23:13:07 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:14:35 -!- xkapastel has joined. 23:15:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:17:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Client Quit). 23:18:57 @unpl \join -> join 23:18:57 \ join b -> b >>= \ a -> a 23:19:12 NOTHING WORKS. 23:23:29 INT_ELLO. 23:28:39 sorry for yelling, but this is painful. 23:31:23 and... there's a TODO for that as well: "-- TODO: more generally correct would be to not substitute any variable which is bound by a pattern" 23:39:21 there's nothing permanenter than a temporary thing hth 23:39:59 -!- boily has quit (Quit: EPISCOPAL CHICKEN). 23:40:20 -!- jaboja64 has changed nick to jaboja. 2016-05-17: 00:34:18 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 00:41:53 -!- tswett has quit (Quit: tswett). 00:45:05 -!- Warrigal has joined. 00:46:21 -!- Warrigal has changed nick to tswett. 00:51:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:57:29 A TODO is like a check you write yourself for a million dollars. It'd be great if it went through one day, but they tend to just bounce until you lose hope and start writing Java 01:13:56 -!- Mike_ has joined. 01:14:20 -!- Mike_ has changed nick to Guest60822. 01:14:34 Hello, I had a few questions about the few questions about thue 01:15:39 How meta. 01:18:56 (Just go ahead and ask, although I don't think resident Thue experts are present at the moment.) 01:19:24 Lawyerth? 01:25:19 jesus christ 01:25:19 http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cstring/strtok/ 01:25:25 this is an actual function in C 01:25:42 someone thought this was a good way of implementing a string split 01:26:21 -!- Guest60822 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 01:27:48 It's traditional. 01:28:10 Calling strtok on a string literal is one of the constantly recurring ##c topics. 01:29:57 `runc #include \n int main(void) { strtok("foo bar", " "); } 01:30:07 ​/hackenv/bin/runc: line 3: 300 Segmentation fault $t 01:30:13 fizzie: I worked on a program that used strtok to parse argv. 01:30:13 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:30:37 It was pretty confusing to look at it in the process list. 01:31:19 That rings a bell, probably seen it happen as well. 01:31:41 ick. 01:32:02 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:32:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:32:44 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:33:10 strtok ought to use self-modifying code. 01:33:52 And instead of strtok_r, you should be required to copy the code of strtok into a new writable executable buffer. 01:34:06 That way you can keep the same API. 01:36:19 The C99 rationale says strsep was rejected because "it's easy enough for a user to provide this functionality, and it is unclear that an implementor can do a substantially better job; so, there was not sufficient support for adding this feature." 01:36:31 (strsep also modifies the string, but at least it uses a strtok_r-style scheme for keeping the state in the caller.) 01:37:44 (Well, arguably even a more reasonable one, since it avoids that nonsense about passing NULL as the first argument.) 01:45:06 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:49:01 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:51:31 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 01:59:05 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:08:20 -!- menwithHill has joined. 02:08:33 Why is "polynomial time" named as such in computer science? 02:09:29 because the time used is bounded by a polynomial in the input size. 02:10:27 -!- Kaynato has joined. 02:13:56 oerjan: but why isn't it called "monomial time" 02:13:56 oerjan: and NP being when there is no final halting of the computations? 02:14:49 I really wish that when C11 hit they also added the POSIX-only thread safe versions of functions (such as strtok_r). 02:14:53 menwithHill: no, the N in NP is for "nondeterministic" 02:15:21 oerjan: ok. thank you 02:15:33 i,i which means it's bounded by a nondeterministic polynomial 02:15:40 But nooo, they only added something with the same functionality as strerror_r, only more painful to use. 02:15:44 * oerjan swats shachaf -----### 02:15:47 (strerror_s :() 02:17:24 pikhq: strtok_s is in C11, right? 02:17:33 Well, optionally. 02:17:59 Oh, right, they did add that too. 02:18:27 It's still basically strtok_r only less convenient. 02:19:02 Gah, the *_s functions. Functions only implemented (in a non-conformant way) by a vendor that can't be bothered to implement C99, but managed to push features in C11 anyways. 02:19:38 Well, C99 is 9 times as hard to implement as C11. 02:20:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:32:46 menwithHill: NP is the class of decision problems which are solvable in an amount of time bounded by a polynomial in the input size, on a nondeterministic Turing machine -- which is like an ordinary Turing machine, except that you can have multiple transitions for the same initial condition, and the machine takes both paths simultaneously (which means that you can have an exponential blowup in the number of states that the machine/tap 02:32:46 e is presently in). 02:33:27 Basically Turing machines with unbounded parallel forking 02:33:54 Why do people take nondeterministic machines as a primitive? 02:34:21 I don't exactly have anything against them, but they seem like a bit of an odd and arbitrary construction. 02:35:17 Cale: thank you 02:35:58 `? np 02:36:18 np? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:37:08 shachaf: At this point it's got to be mainly that there are interesting difficult problems to be solved. 02:37:32 P vs. NP is almost motivation enough :) 02:37:43 nondet. machine seems to mean a machine with unlimited power of computation 02:38:02 not really 02:38:16 Maybe I should think of it as "always taking the right path" rather than "taking all paths". 02:38:20 it can do the exactly same kind of computation, only the performance differs 02:38:44 (exponentially) 02:39:01 lifthrasiir: step by step algorithms? 02:39:06 ? 02:39:18 shachaf: Another way to look at it is that NP is the class of decision problems for which a polynomial-length certificate can be constructed such that given that certificate, the solution to the problem can be checked in polynomial time. 02:39:30 Right. 02:39:32 lifthrasiir: as "kind of computation" 02:39:58 I... 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" the massacre of syrs gnelph was not as written a message you got, my brother, and we just keep the safe or tub handy or the other, to function as the better half. the two partners in a strong pale relationship will serve to balance and complement each other's, since there is no quadrant which naturally conceals two licorice scotty d 11:37:52 * boily mapoles the fungot 11:37:52 boily: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds?. perhaps to leave that crap in the shitty scifi novels where his favorite movies. he would just go on and on about it. 11:43:23 -!- rodgort has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:49:01 -!- ybden has joined. 11:55:17 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:59:25 -!- rodgort has joined. 12:06:48 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:07:20 -!- augur has joined. 12:09:57 -!- Tiktalik has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:11:37 fungot: *You* just go on and on about it. 12:11:37 fizzie: for a while it was frustrating. wasn't nothin but misfortune... 12:11:40 -!- Tiktalik has joined. 12:22:17 `coins 12:22:20 `random-card 12:22:25 `recipe 12:23:22 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:23:53 he chilline for one out of the apple mashed. \ Sprinkle the parsley and flour and set aside. Fry the chops to a \ boil, and simmer for about 30 minutes, or until the mixture is \ coated and all the beef dispalles are done. \ \ 2. In a large bowl mix beans, and salt in skillet over medium high heat, inchen and \ until soft comes out. Reduce t 12:24:00 No output. 12:24:06 No output. 12:24:17 `random-card 12:24:19 `recipe 12:24:29 Chopped onions; chopped \ 1 ts Salt and pepper \ 1 ts Salt \ 1/3 c Water \ 3/4 c Confectioners shortening \ 2 tb Chopped fresh cilantro \ 1 ts Salt \ 1/4 ts Ground cumin \ 1/2 ts Dijon; softened \ \ Mix ingredients in a large cookie sheet, about 3 minutes. Sprinkle \ peaches and parsley. \ \ Per serving: 207 mg chol cooled, 15 grams 12:24:29 Patriarch's Desire \ 3B \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Enchanted creature gets +2/-2. \ Threshold -- Enchanted creature gets an additional +2/-2 as long as seven or more cards are in your graveyard. \ OD-C 12:25:30 -!- boily has quit (Quit: LEG CHICKEN). 12:55:47 -!- Kaynato has joined. 13:02:25 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:09:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:26:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 13:30:26 -!- carado has joined. 13:31:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:39:56 -!- variable has joined. 13:53:28 -!- spiette has joined. 13:53:32 -!- spiette has quit (Client Quit). 13:58:39 -!- variable has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 14:01:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:15:25 oerjan: int-e: Just to keep you up to date on current news, we've migratated the domain over, and it's been renewed for a year as well. 14:15:32 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:16:49 yay! 14:20:09 -!- carado- has joined. 14:20:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:21:15 -!- carado- has changed nick to carado. 14:26:45 -!- mroman has joined. 14:27:45 what happens when you have a system that keeps "data" alive by just re-transmitting it 14:27:50 but never storing the whole data 14:28:21 Like delay line memory? 14:28:29 There are nodes in the internet, these nodes connect to other nodes. Everything a node receives, it just broadcasts it to the other nodes 14:28:57 you read like I don't know 4MB chunks of data or something like that 14:29:06 then re-transmit it to other nodes 14:29:13 not storing what you have transmitted so far. 14:30:02 it would be interesting how much data you can store on the "line" 14:30:12 It takes some time for data to arrive at the other endpoint. 14:30:30 it'd probably work with just two nodes 14:30:37 you send data, the other one sends it back 14:31:01 the amount of data you can send before you receive the first byte back should be the amount of bytes you can store "in the interweb" 14:33:11 how do you find what you're looking for? 14:33:42 that's another issue :D 14:33:59 but you could tag streams somehow 14:34:01 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:34:10 like the first few bytes are the id of the datastream 14:34:20 you just listen on the network until you find what you need then start logging the traffic 14:34:34 but you can hardly delete anything. 14:35:35 that's easy 14:36:02 just go offline 14:36:41 well if you broadcast to n-nodes each 14:36:46 then that won't do the trick :) 14:37:24 you can't broadcast to more nodes 14:37:31 why not? 14:37:37 you run out of space 14:37:54 hm? 14:39:00 since you can tag streams you can prevent that you re-broadcast the same thing more than once at the same time 14:39:25 if you're already broadcasting stream N, and some node connects to you and broadcasts stream N you can deny that request 14:40:18 there might be cases where you receive more than you can broadcast 14:40:46 which should give congestion signals back to the nodes somehow 14:40:55 causing them to send less data 14:41:10 either way if all the protocols work correctly together there should be an equilibrium of some sort? 14:56:17 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:57:37 It sounds like what you get when you're designing a normal distributed file system, but flip a minus sign for the "minimize bandwidth use" term in the cost function your design is trying to optimize. 15:01:04 I don't think you could really make things work so smoothly that you'd have all the data in "the wire" without being ready to either buffer it at the nodes or lose it, because the "storage capacity" of the connection will clearly fluctuate a lot. 15:02:20 true 15:02:45 basically as soon as you have more data than you can send before receiving the first thing you've sent again you need to buffer it somewhere 15:02:54 -!- spiette has joined. 15:03:15 It all sounds vaguely familiar, but I seem to be finding only boring reasonable pages when looking up what I'm vaguely recalling. 15:03:24 but the idea as that some of the data is buffered by routers and network equipment of ISPs 15:03:31 On cloud storage and organizing cables on your desk and such. 15:03:55 of course, once they notice what you're doing they'll pretty much cancel your subscription :D 15:04:28 anyway, i'll probably write some 1h hackish software and experiment with that 15:05:00 would hardly require more than a bit socket code to get a first prototype working 15:05:24 that and test computers 15:08:44 -!- spiette_ has joined. 15:11:20 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:16:00 -!- Akaibu has joined. 15:18:12 -!- spiette_ has changed nick to spiette. 15:26:13 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:34:34 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:39:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:44:58 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 15:48:27 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:57:46 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 16:02:34 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:11:26 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 16:30:25 -!- spiette has joined. 16:36:26 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:41:38 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:45:46 -!- jaboja has joined. 16:47:58 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 16:48:37 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:49:12 -!- Cale has joined. 16:57:32 re 17:00:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:18:59 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:34:36 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:39:02 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:11:02 -!- MartinS has joined. 18:12:38 -!- relrod has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:15:50 -!- relrod_ has joined. 18:15:51 -!- relrod_ has quit (Changing host). 18:15:51 -!- relrod_ has joined. 18:16:58 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:21:06 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:23:36 -!- MartinS has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:36:00 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:40:52 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:20:07 What's a good time to set an alarm for a 9AM exam 19:20:15 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 19:21:12 7 and every half hour between 7 and 9 19:21:50 * fowl doesn't fully wake up until he's in a rage from 2 hours of alarms going off 19:22:06 how long will it take you to get there 19:22:26 do you want to have breakfast 19:23:03 Hmm, fifteen or twenty minutes, and I'd like ten minutes for breakfast 19:23:21 I think I'll go every fifteen minutes from 7 to 8:30 19:23:26 (those were my criteria... with the answer to the latter question being no... I just aimed to be there 10 minutes before the exam starts) 19:23:45 Although knowing me I'm gonna be so worked up about it I'll wake up at five 19:26:13 otoh I'd plan for taking a shower 19:26:42 I have 7 exams in 7 days, I'm afraid hygiene is not my highest priority 19:27:30 well it's good for relaxation 19:27:35 but a shower will also help you think better 19:33:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:42:35 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:46:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:49:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:52:41 -!- tromp_ has joined. 20:04:09 -!- relrod_ has changed nick to relrod. 20:15:36 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:29:39 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:38:59 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:39:14 -!- `^_^v has joined. 20:51:30 -!- idris-bot has joined. 21:11:16 Algebraic Chess 21:12:50 no, "algebraic chess notation" is not a notation for algebraic chess 21:17:44 `wisdom 21:17:53 int-e: that sounds wise 21:18:00 -!- gamemanj has joined. 21:18:08 `? algebraic chess notation 21:18:43 please don't 21:19:10 `le/rn algebraic chess notation/ algebraic chess notation is not a notation for algebraic chess 21:19:30 ​αλτγρ+γ//αλτγρ+γ is the national dead pastry of Greece. Goes great with a glass of ouzo! 21:19:30 algebraic chess notation? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:19:39 Learned «algebraic chess notation» 21:20:23 poor oerjan 21:20:35 he'll feel compelled to remove the inital space and add a period at the end 21:21:21 and then he'll ramble about how he's retired 21:21:25 `algebraic chess notation 21:21:27 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: algebraic: not found 21:21:32 `?algebraic chess notation 21:21:33 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?algebraic: not found 21:21:37 space 21:21:37 `? algebraic chess notation 21:21:39 ​ algebraic chess notation is not a notation for algebraic chess 21:21:44 fiiine 21:21:51 `le/rn algebraic chess notation/algebraic chess notation is not a notation for algebraic chess. 21:21:56 Relearned «algebraic chess notation» 21:22:05 `quote 21:22:05 `quote 21:22:05 `quote 21:22:05 `quote 21:22:05 `quote 21:23:46 548) I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand. 21:23:46 1167) And neutrinos aren't small neutrons! They are small and neutral, though. So is Switzerland 21:23:46 696) fungot: Feeling scrambled after all that? fizzie: but it's much like new zealand, in my stone-age country, we still like you even if you're only using the new fnord 21:23:46 93) pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...] 21:23:47 320) And if they wanted to go for "true" security, they'd just do "Warning: your computer has not been turned into a plasma. This may cause some of your personal data to be stolen. Click here to turn your computer into a ball of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace." 21:25:51 coppro: what if you just `sedlast s/.// 21:25:55 `cat bin/sedlast 21:25:58 files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"; echo -n "$files//"; cat "$files" 21:28:01 shachaf: that wouldn't have handled the leading space. though I guess I could have done two expressions? 21:28:15 Why wouldn't it? 21:28:29 your expression only fixes one of the two errors 21:31:21 Oh, I didn't notice that part. 21:32:01 `sedlast s/.//;s/$/./ 21:32:10 Something like that. 21:32:46 Not confusing enough. 21:33:33 sedlast s;.;;;s $ . 21:33:34 There we go. 21:34:10 `` echo ' blah blah' | sed 's; ;;;s $ . ' 21:34:14 blah blah. 21:41:29 ohai 21:45:22 Huh, I didn't even know you could use space. 21:59:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:59:59 . o O ( Space is not used; it's occupied. For example: "What's your occupation?" - "About 80 liters." ) 22:00:34 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 22:06:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:09:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:16:52 oerjan: Happy Norway something-or-another day. 22:17:16 I don't know what day it is, but the SIXT car rental company emailed me an ad about it. 22:17:53 it's constitution day, aka our national day. 22:18:07 "Norwegians get happier and we are celebrating our country's birthday on May 17th. The streets will be filled with people wearing their national dress." 22:18:12 Also 10% of all car rentals. 22:19:08 (celebrating the signing of the constitution in 1814. although i vaguely recall claims it's a day off.) 22:19:45 i didn't dress up, national or otherwise, although i did eat a better dinner. 22:21:37 nice 22:21:47 oerjan: were there fireworks? 22:21:48 0 22:27:44 -!- ybden has changed nick to molum. 22:29:16 b_jonas: no, that's only a new year custom. 22:30:08 instead, there are two parades and heaps of marching brass bands. 22:30:14 I see 22:30:31 molum: WHy do you change nicks all the time? 22:30:58 and probably speeches. not that i went. 22:31:11 in Oslo there'll also be waving royals. 22:31:35 Fun fact: molybdenum mines (at least the one I know of) produce as byproduct lots of white(ish) sand. 22:31:36 oerjan: happy Napoleon crowned Emperor, 1804 day 22:31:56 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:32:04 shachaf: Hmm? I don't, AFAIK 22:32:12 Well, you changed it just now. 22:32:17 And you also changed to hive and back. 22:32:24 Unless I change to a nick, and then back, in which case it's probably a joke in another channel 22:32:28 hive being one such one 22:32:48 fizzie: 10% of all car rentals happen today? 22:33:52 shachaf: you're a few months off hth 22:34:08 off what 22:34:16 No, just 10% of all car rentals. No particular verb. 22:34:21 Napoleon's crowning anniversary. 22:34:30 it was 2nd December. 22:35:10 https://googledrive.com/host/0B4J9OAzXNfZAelk5ZHdwZHlwWWM <- molybdenum mine byproduct sand pit. Or so I've been told. 22:35:14 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:35:20 oerjan: hm, perhaps 22:35:54 oerjan: ok, happy Nauru constitution day hth 22:36:42 fizzie: hmm, interesting 22:36:56 that looks quite pretty 22:37:09 shachaf: Happy U.S. Department of Energy declassifies documents showing world's largest mercury pollution event in Oak Ridge, Tennessee (ultimately found to be 4.2 million pounds) day. 22:37:10 shachaf: the _actual_ king involved was danish prince Christian Frederik, who only kept the throne for about 5 months. that part didn't stick. 22:37:43 (he inherited denmark later, though.) 22:37:48 fizzie: what's happy about that 22:37:55 i guess declassifying documents is good 22:38:03 shachaf: Well, it wasn't 5.2 million pounds. 22:40:13 It was pretty close, though. 22:40:38 Wait 22:40:56 oerjan: wait, napoleon's emperor thing started on may 18 anyway 22:41:07 shachaf: the thing we are celebrating was an attempt at norwegian independence (but keeping the same royal dynasty), which failed. and then somehow became the basis for gradually getting actual independence, 91 years later. 22:41:09 Could there be a quaternionic 4D mandelbrot set? One which, of course, you can slice and browse? 22:41:25 isn't it odd how some countries don't have independence day 22:41:59 we do have an independence day, but it's not very much celebrated. 22:42:15 i think it may be an official flag day. 22:42:54 yep, 7th June 22:43:13 fizzie: oh, you were using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_17 22:43:15 good thinking 22:43:43 oerjan: which independence day? the one when Széchenyi suicided, or the one after the first world war? 22:44:50 b_jonas: the one when we left Sweden behind. the one after the second world war is liberation day, which is May 8, and is at least somewhat celebrated. 22:45:33 norway stayed neutral in WWI. 22:45:44 oerjan: yeah 22:46:44 the one after WW2 isn't called independence day because presumably no one considered the nazi government to have been legal in the first place. 22:47:01 (well, no one who counts.) 22:48:58 fizzie: 4.2 million pounds is over 6 million USD 22:49:11 presumably it was a lot more at the time 22:54:24 he'll feel compelled to remove the inital space and add a period at the end <-- you forgot the capital tdnh 22:55:31 `sedlast s.A 22:55:33 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/sedlast: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/sedlast: cannot execute: Permission denied 22:55:44 `` chmod +x bin/sedlast 22:55:48 but now i can't use it anymore 22:55:51 No output. 22:55:54 this was a clever prank 22:56:51 sedsecondtolast hth 22:57:08 if i made that program, i'd need sedthirdtolast tdnh 22:58:14 `` sed -i s.A wisdom/'algebraic chess notation' 22:58:20 No output. 23:00:31 good show 23:01:51 Hm... 23:01:57 Multibrot set with complex powers? 23:02:21 multibrot? 23:03:06 `wisdom 23:03:12 emac//emacs is the weird brother of nano. 23:03:15 `? MVS 23:03:17 MVS? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:03:22 `? VMS 23:03:23 VMS? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:03:24 `? MVC 23:03:26 MVC? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:03:32 `? emacs 23:03:33 itym MCV hth 23:03:35 emacs is the weird brother of nano. 23:03:47 oerjan: careful, you're supposed to be retired 23:04:08 oerjan: Mandelbrot with a number other than 2 (Z=Z^2+c) 23:04:33 hppavilion[1]: there's a sense in which they all look pretty much like the usual one, up close. 23:04:41 oerjan: Yes 23:05:02 for the same reason that the usual mandelbrot contains many almost copies of itself. 23:05:03 oerjan: Specifically, for multibrot n, it's like n-1 mandelbrot sets squished together 23:05:07 Frankly, they creep me out 23:05:18 b_jonas: MCV = Mobile Construction Vehicle hth 23:05:38 multibrot 2 is like 1 mandelbrot set squished together 23:05:49 shachaf: Yes, correct 23:05:58 shachaf: I mean, I guess 23:06:49 shachaf: Wikipedia even talks about things like multibrot 2.3 (where that analogy breaks down), but there is no mention of multibrot i or 2+i 23:06:56 multibrot 1, though... 23:07:27 oerjan: I think it's just a circle or something 23:07:35 oerjan: Wait... 23:07:40 Z = Z^0+c... 23:07:50 hppavilion[1]: part of the problem is that once you use non-integers, everything becomes multivalued. 23:08:00 oerjan: Oh, nothing is in multibrot 1 23:08:04 or alternatively, gets ugly branch cuts. 23:08:38 oerjan: Because n^0 = 1, and 1+1+1+1+...+1+c diverges for all c 23:08:45 * hppavilion[1] feels clever 23:08:54 hppavilion[1]: um that's multibrot 0. 23:09:27 oerjan: No, multibrot 0 has power -1 by my completely stupid definition 23:09:31 oh. 23:09:35 oerjan: Multibrot n has power n-1 23:09:39 Is there a bebrot then? 23:09:54 oerjan: But yes, it would be 0 if you use a good definition (where mandelbrot is multibrot 2) 23:10:11 (mandel=2*multi) 23:10:14 hppavilion[1]: hm then i'm not sure whether shachaf got that or not. 23:10:24 oerjan: Wait 23:10:27 oerjan: Hypermandelbrot 23:10:30 oerjan: got what 23:10:56 hppavilion[1]: anyway, i disagree with your analysis. multibrot 1 gives 1+c each step. 23:10:57 i know mandelbrot is multibrot 2 23:11:09 no added terms. 23:11:10 multibrot 1 diverges everywhere except 0 23:11:12 it all works 23:11:15 oerjan: Oh, right, shit 23:11:20 oerjan: Knew I was doing something wrong 23:11:22 shachaf: no, it's multibrot 1. 23:11:32 see above. 23:11:36 oh 23:11:47 c is in hyperbrot n if Z = Z[n]2+c diverges 23:11:48 that's not consistent with what hppavilion[1] said, isn't it 23:11:55 15:05 oerjan: Specifically, for multibrot n, it's like n-1 mandelbrot sets squished together 23:11:59 s/n't// 23:12:08 or s/not /in/ 23:12:13 `? off by one 23:12:14 `? off by 1 23:12:23 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:12:24 hppavilion[1]: YOU ARE INCONSISTENT 23:12:27 off by one? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:29 off by 1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:12:29 oerjan: I AM 23:12:36 oerjan: BUT ONLY ON WEEKDAYS 23:13:02 * hppavilion[1] feels clever again, but is more tentative this time 23:13:32 oerjan: Mandelbrot for the split-complexes or the duals? 23:13:48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multibrot_set just says "multibrot with d = " 23:13:56 nothing about subtract 1 from the exponent 23:14:05 shachaf: Yes, I know 23:14:08 ing 23:14:19 shachaf: I used a shitty definition of multibrot n that had a needless subtraction 23:14:41 hppavilion[1]: also the talk page of that wikipedia page has a picture with a complex exponent hth 23:14:41 shachaf: Because it was convenient where multibrot n is n frankensteined mandelbrot sets 23:14:47 Oh, yay 23:14:57 hppavilion[1]: ok but you changed your definition in mid-conversation without telling anyone about it 23:15:05 shachaf: I thought I did 23:15:09 shachaf: Whoops 23:15:22 `? mandelbröt 23:15:25 mandelbröt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:16:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:17:10 shachaf: But hyperbrot? 23:17:12 b_jonas: alas, i don't think there's an ö, even in german. 23:17:52 `? almond bread 23:17:55 almond bread? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:19:41 `le/rn almond bread/Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. 23:19:46 Learned «almond bread» 23:23:01 or maybe it's mandelbrøt 23:23:18 "Modern Gender Theory, or the 'Mandelbrot Sex', is..." 23:29:11 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:37:51 The Swedish bread is bröd, if that's indeed what you were talking about. 23:39:12 I went to BLABAR (aka BLÅBÄR for diacritic-deficient people) the other day, a "Nordic concept store and cafe" hereabouts. 23:39:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:39:21 They have the typical Swedish incorrect cinnamon buns. 23:39:47 http://blabar.london/ 23:41:44 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 23:42:48 What is a Swedish incorrect cinnamon bun? 23:45:28 shachaf: The one that the majority thinks is correct, actually. 23:45:42 https://krausnickitchen.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/img_4711.jpg 23:45:55 What is a correct cinnamon bun? 23:46:25 The Finnish variant, which is rolled the other way around. 23:46:26 http://www.fazershop.com/globalassets/inriver/resources/722c8801-0252-4c3b-9ee6-92bf0e552aca3.jpg 23:46:39 Now I want a cinnamon bun of either kind. :/ 23:48:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:51:05 -!- molum has changed nick to ybden. 2016-05-18: 00:07:38 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:11:50 ꙳ 00:13:33 fizzie: At first I thought you meant rolled counterclockwise rather than clockwise. 00:13:58 Why do you care about the rolling direction? 00:20:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:23:59 -!- Melvar` has joined. 00:25:30 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:26:10 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:28:22 -!- boily has joined. 00:29:33 @massages-loud 00:29:33 You don't have any messages 00:30:24 shachaf: Comfort of the familiar. 00:30:40 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 00:31:28 shachaf is a familiar? 00:32:30 oh, so swedes roll cinnamon buns azimuthally, while finns roll them longitudinally? 00:32:52 interesting 00:33:15 he\\wooobackspacebackspacenobackslashesAAAAAAAAAAAabortabortabortaboren! 00:33:32 what happened to your eponymous backslashes? 00:33:53 The ones rolled the "correct" (i.e. wrong) way remind me of http://gifflar.com/wp-content/themes/gifflar/images/cinnamon-bag.png 00:34:09 how do swedish-speaking finn roll them? 00:34:15 `nick \oren\ 00:34:16 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nick: not found 00:34:20 -!- oren has changed nick to \oren\. 00:34:28 <\oren\> goddamn it 00:34:51 fizzie: you'll have to roll your own cinnamon buns hth 00:34:58 FireFly: Yeah, Pågen's Gifflar are kind of the cheapest possible borderline-acceptable rendering of the thing. 00:34:59 -!- Frooxius has joined. 00:35:00 i've made them in the past, although i rolled mine incorrectly 00:35:27 It's a couple magnitudes off the real thing, though. 00:36:12 I don't think I've had any cinnamon buns rolled the finnish way 00:36:24 Here's something else that's annoying. In the Europe song The Final Countdown, the lyrics imply that the narrator is leaving Earth ("And maybe we'll come back / To earth, who can tell?"), and is going to Venus ("We're heading for Venus (Venus) / And still we stand tall"), but then they say: "With so many lightyears to go". What sort of Earth-Venus route *can* they be taking that has "so many ... 00:36:30 ... lightyears". 00:36:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:38:44 FireFly: FWIW, I don't think the rolling has that much of an effect on the taste, and the BLABAR ones were perfectly acceptable. I just go "but that's wrong" whenever I see them rolled the usual way. 00:39:06 \oren\: could you enthicken 幻 hth 00:40:35 If any of y'all ever happen to be in the Finland, though, I'd recommend http://www.yelp.com/biz/caf%C3%A9-succes-helsinki-2 00:41:45 fizziello. “500 error. Woof, something went wrong. Sorry about that!” 00:41:54 Uh. 00:41:59 fizzie: Well, they might've left Earth a long time ago. 00:42:11 They aren't saying that they're on Earth now. 00:42:22 fizzie: I was also using Yelp to look at cinnamon buns and I also got a 500 error. 00:42:27 fizzie: probably. 00:44:15 shachaf: Well, maybe. But the first part is: "We're leaving together, -- And maybe we'll come back / To earth, who can tell? -- We're leaving ground (leaving ground) / Will things ever be the same again?" 00:44:19 shachaf: I mean, maybe you can read them as currently leaving some other place, and still "coming back" to Earth, but I don't think that's a very natural interpretation. 00:45:09 Of course (at least in this transcription) it's a lowercase-earth, so maybe it's not Earth-earth. 00:45:58 Well, I've never heard that song. 00:46:44 Huh. 00:46:50 We find that strange. 00:47:10 Well, maybe I've heard it and I just don't remember. 00:47:47 Maybe it's more a thing over here 00:47:53 fizzie: Maybe they're using lightyears as a measure of time instead of distance. 00:47:57 I.e. years. 00:48:29 I guess they're a Swedish band, that could be. 00:48:34 It's probably just meant to be technobabbly and sound spacey 00:48:54 The music video has a sign on it that says "Rökning förbjudet" and all. 00:49:03 I tend to just not know popular songs. 00:49:06 I know a few, though. 00:49:07 s/t"/n"/ 00:51:18 "Europe has achieved new attention in the US due to being featured in a GEICO Insurance cable television commercial campaign viewed for many months across the US in 2015-16." 00:54:14 europe is so small that america hardly cares about it 00:54:19 http://i.imgur.com/SLBqUWY.jpg 00:57:39 I don't think it works like that 00:57:59 I like the way North America (and Greenland) is there too. 01:00:14 qhoily 01:01:27 bonsœirjan. 01:03:36 fizzie: it makes you think, doesn't it 01:04:09 * boily sings “you spin me right round ♪” 01:04:26 . o O ( that burner makes a helluva noise... ) 01:06:09 fizzie: What are the white things on the cinnamon bun? Sugar? 01:08:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aVgZleqdy4 01:08:39 shachaf: I think it's probably just map projections, they can be confusing like that. And yes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nib_sugar 01:29:12 -!- vanila has joined. 01:29:13 hello 01:36:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:37:02 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:42:05 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:57:49 -!- vanila has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:10:08 helloily 02:14:28 quinthellopia! 02:14:51 apparently the grilf has got a new mechanical keyboard, and she wants to smack me with it to make sure it's solid enough... 02:14:55 how's life? 02:17:47 i just crafted a portal2 badge 02:18:18 got a coupon for a game that looks fun that i would probably never get to play 02:18:25 is the kb nkro? 02:21:32 no? dunno? 02:23:17 ok 02:24:11 also, I'm battling against an old iMac, trying to install ubuntu on it. 02:24:46 (all-in-one desktop thing, from a friend's mom.) 02:24:54 (fungotting machine de mes deux qui veut rien savoir. 02:24:55 boily: man. it just so happens that today, the 13th of april. another day of uneventful but highly satisfying deliveries. everyone is dead. in this timeline ( i.e. just scroll down, read it later, somehow. 02:24:56 ) 02:25:00 ) 02:26:27 well 02:26:53 while you're battling can you tell whether the mech kb is nkro? 02:28:05 yup, NKRO. 02:30:25 one of the Cooler Masters with cherry browns. the model was running at a good price on amazon.ca, which was quite unusual. 02:32:46 -!- xkapastel has joined. 02:33:08 nice. 02:34:13 mine has cherry mx reds 02:34:15 of course I prefer Ducky, but you don't look a gift keyboard in the switches. 02:34:28 tell her she should start learning steno 02:34:31 I never tried the reds. do they live up to the "cloud of boobs" hype? 02:34:35 that's why i got mine 02:34:43 heh :D 02:35:08 i've not heard this hype, but they certainly have no variations in resistance along their travel 02:35:13 and a fairly long travel 02:35:15 meanwhile, «Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le serveur à l'adresse en.wikipedia.org.» wtf. 02:35:29 try the french one 02:35:48 «Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le serveur à l'adresse fr.wikipedia.org.» 02:35:54 what the fungot is going on. 02:35:54 boily: good idea! the thought of that??? you are quite a sn0b simple. the defaced the walls of his room. john. return, he teaches her to fly a little higher, to see if john is of course. 02:36:33 okay, it reappeared... 02:36:38 * boily is spooked 02:36:58 * quintopia puts a spookfish on boily's head 02:37:20 * boily wildly flails around with a spookfish on his head 02:37:52 http://www.typewriter.be/images/grandjean-03b.jpg ? 02:38:18 is that the french steno layout? 02:38:37 seems weird 02:38:42 and also incomplete 02:38:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:38:52 i doubt it's right 02:39:07 it's... something. it has keys. 02:39:33 but it's time for me to reconcile my head with a carefully thrown pillow. 02:39:40 bonnuitopia! 02:39:51 -!- boily has quit (Quit: WITH CHICKEN). 02:40:40 huh. apparently that is correct. 02:42:29 https://molarmanful.github.io/ESMin/ another golfscript cousin? 02:43:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:56:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:04:59 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:23:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:25:45 -!- centrinia has joined. 03:31:07 Depends on the steno theory, I guess 03:52:16 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: probably). 03:58:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:31:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:46:11 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:51:34 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:03:41 -!- P4g4n has joined. 05:04:50 -!- P4g4n has left. 05:14:02 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:20:29 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:48:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:04:08 -!- MDead has joined. 06:05:31 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 06:06:50 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 06:07:24 -!- yorick_ has joined. 06:07:24 -!- yorick_ has quit (Changing host). 06:07:24 -!- yorick_ has joined. 06:08:37 -!- FreeFull_ has joined. 06:09:09 -!- Sprocklem_ has joined. 06:12:54 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:55 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:55 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:55 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:55 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:55 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:56 -!- catern has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:12:56 -!- yorick has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:13:12 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 06:13:48 -!- catern has joined. 06:14:11 -!- quintopia has joined. 06:20:40 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:25:54 `` echo 'oerjan' | sed soeø 06:25:55 ​ørjan 06:26:08 hmm, that won't show up properly in the logs 06:27:04 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:27:46 -!- heroux has joined. 07:00:10 <\oren\> `? chitandael 07:00:46 chitandael? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:00:47 ch-ch-ch-chitandael 07:01:36 <\oren\> chitandael is an angel, like uriel or gabriel 07:01:54 are you sure it's not a pair of rescue rangers 07:02:31 <\oren\> fairly certain 07:04:21 <\oren\> (it's actually a japanese pun about a chracter named chitanda eru) 07:05:38 (mine is a pun about characters named chip and dale) 07:15:05 <\oren\> OMG 07:16:00 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:21:17 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:25:55 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:26:53 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:36:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:48:20 Villains Journey? 07:48:57 Frankly, I'm not a fan of the Hero's Journey because it doesn't feature proper branching capabilities- you can never have a Hero's Journey tragedy 07:52:48 Hero's Journey... Villain's Journey... Mook's Journey... Sidekick's Journey... Innocent Bystander's Journey... 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Both my parents have hand hand injuries. 11:32:06 Oh 11:32:59 maybe it's hereditary? 11:32:59 My mother injured her hand when skiing, my father injured his with a saw when woodworking, my brother has a smaller woodworking injury too. 11:33:22 But you don't know about those because they don't draw webcomics. 11:34:02 boily: that's possible, although I haven't caught it yet. I get my injuries in my right knee, I get a new wound there every eight years, so it will soon be time for the fourth wound. 11:34:11 The third has started to fade so it's high time. 11:34:31 I like hand hand injuries 11:34:55 . o O ( punchline: it happened at their wedding ceremony while cutting the cake ) 11:35:09 int-e: to whom? 11:35:26 "Both my parents have had hand injuries." 11:35:27 b_jonas, the person holding up the cake 11:36:20 int: ah I see 11:36:52 int-e: I wouldn't know about that. 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(about Emily) => Marten realizes what kind of webcomic he lives in in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298 13:34:20 Relearned «adpoted» 13:51:04 -!- impomatic has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:53:38 `? tr 13:53:39 tr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:53:42 `? y 13:53:45 Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this. 14:02:35 `? hth 14:02:36 hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. 14:02:38 `? ymmw 14:02:38 ymmw? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:11:26 Do you happen to know an easy trick to format floating-point numbers as decimal scientific format, but with fewer digits in the exponent than the libc sprintf writes by default? 14:13:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:14:01 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:14:05 Isn't the exponent just an (unpadded) integer? How could you have less digits than that? 14:14:33 fizzie: no, it's usually padded with zeros to at least two or three digits depending on libc, and has the sign always present 14:15:05 fizzie: the C standard doesn't specify how many digits are used, so libcs can choose on themselves 14:15:49 fizzie: this is actually one of the easiest ways to recognize windows's libc, because it uses three digits, and that's propagated to lots of higher level programs or functions 14:16:27 fizzie: I don't think I've seen any libc use only one digit though 14:18:03 `perl -eprintf "%e",exp(1) 14:18:04 2.718282e+00 14:18:17 ^ that prints 2.718282e+000 on windows 14:18:41 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:21:23 Seems to be 2 on glibc, right. 14:24:19 b_jonas: The standard *does* specify how many digits there should be in the exponent, at least in C11, and the Windows libc is in violation. 14:24:59 C11 7.21.6.1p8 on the 'e' conversion: "The exponent always contains at least two digits, and only as many more digits as necessary to represent the exponent." 14:25:42 fizzie: does it now? I thought it didn't, and the windows libc was in violation "only" in how it formats and scans infinite, nan, and denormal values 14:26:39 It's that way also in C99, but not in C89. 14:26:55 fizzie: a moment, I'll read up on this 14:27:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:27:12 In C89 it's only "at least two digits", without the "only as many more as needed" add-on. 14:29:28 Also, C99 rationale: "For %e, C99 clarifies that small exponents contain at least 2 digits, but no more than are necessary to represent the value. Prior to C99, it was not clear that an arbitrary number of leading zeros were not allowed." 14:30:24 fizzie: you're right, C99 and C11 do specify this. I didn't know that 14:31:44 Ok, so my question is how I use only one digit in the exponent when that's enough. 14:32:08 I think you're going to have to resort to doing string processing in C. 14:32:36 Does Windows even support anything from C99 standard library (that isn't part of C++)? 14:32:59 fizzie: ok 14:33:21 xfix: yes, these days (in MSVC 2013 and 2015) it has much of C99 and C11 implemented (not all though), 14:33:49 xfix: in particular it does implement the rint, trunc and the lrint, ltrunc functions. 14:34:07 "C Runtime Library": "C99 Conformance -- Visual Studio 2015 fully implements the C99 Standard Library, with the exception of any library features that depend on compiler features not yet supported by the Visual C++ compiler (for example, is not implemented)." 14:34:09 xfix: the support was quite bad in older versions though 14:34:28 I see. 14:34:57 I guess it's technically a bug, but I sorta doubt Microsoft would fix it because compatibility. 14:35:17 There may be programs somewhere depending on three digits, considering this is Windows. 14:36:24 xfix: I don't know about the three digits, but people almost certainly have files containing floating point infinites and nans formatted in windows's nonstandard format, and if they suddenly put a sand sscanf in the libc, the programs won't be able to read those back. It's a lose-lose situation. 14:36:40 xfix: The three digits exponent is less of a problem because at least sscanf is required to parse the float either way. 14:37:30 xfix: although octave, which normally prints arrays of matrices in as an aligned text-only table, does print unaligned tables on windows because it assumes the printf will use only two digits for the exponent 14:38:03 but the slightly misaligned tables isn't as bad as you could get 15:00:45 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:00:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:03:36 -!- staffehn has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 15:03:52 -!- staffehn has joined. 15:10:31 -!- earendel2 has joined. 15:10:48 -!- earendel2 has quit (Client Quit). 15:13:07 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:21:38 -!- gamemanj has joined. 15:24:47 wow... the power of certain bosses 15:25:53 they can send a mail that contains only generic words like "for your info" and a scanned pdf document, and you'll READ IT because they'll the boss and they really are so lazy they send mail masquarading as spam like that. 15:40:13 -!- Guest81064 has quit (Changing host). 15:40:13 -!- Guest81064 has joined. 15:40:14 -!- Guest81064 has changed nick to JX7P. 15:58:52 -!- Elronnd has quit (Quit: Let's jump!). 16:00:26 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:03:13 -!- spiette has joined. 16:03:40 -!- Elronnd has joined. 16:32:13 -!- yorick_ has changed nick to yorick. 17:01:30 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:01:37 -!- puregreen has joined. 17:30:39 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:40:54 -!- Vinkkamph has joined. 17:48:27 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:48:33 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:48:44 -!- Melvar has joined. 17:51:11 -!- Melvar` has joined. 17:52:46 -!- Vinkkamph has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:52:58 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:00:10 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 18:17:42 -!- ybden has joined. 18:20:13 -!- ybden has quit (Client Quit). 18:20:37 -!- ybden has joined. 18:24:55 -!- augur_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 19:06:37 -!- Kaynato has joined. 19:22:15 -!- atrapado has joined. 19:31:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:41:10 -!- izabera has joined. 19:41:47 did you know that on freenode you can't use hitler or fuhrer as a nickname? 19:42:14 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:42:36 but donaldtrump is valid 19:43:03 so is mussolini 19:45:26 -!- puregreen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:45:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:49:06 -!- rdococ has joined. 19:50:05 I have... less than 18 hours to learn Galois Theory 19:50:09 Regret 19:50:37 great time to watch the first 7 harry potter movies 19:50:55 I kind of want to not fail university 19:51:30 i see, that's why you're studying it 18 hours before the test 19:52:05 Yes 19:52:18 I didn't think this through in the past 4 months, I'll admit 20:01:27 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:19:53 -!- myndzi has joined. 20:24:52 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Watching fields scroll by for hours makes you a Galois expert overnight. 22:34:14 They do? 22:34:19 They might. 22:34:31 shachaf: Not since March 2015. 22:38:18 Taneb: consider that by the time galois was your age he had been dead for almost two years 22:38:45 that's not the ending i expected after "by the time galois was your age" 22:38:47 shachaf, by the time I was my age, he'd been dead for like 220 years 22:38:58 izabera, he died in a duel age 20 22:39:06 Frankly, it's much closer to one year 22:39:09 I'm only 21 22:39:17 i know that 22:39:37 Sure, but he was ~1 year and 5 months old. 22:39:38 thinking with his dick instead of his brain got him killed 22:39:50 And you're ~21 years and 6 months old 22:40:01 Hmm. 22:40:11 Er, ~20 years 22:40:14 turns out brains are better than dicks at thinking 22:40:15 Anyway you're right. 22:41:25 Wow, Galois died in a duel at age 17 months 22:41:30 He has really gifted 22:42:15 That's nothing. Grassmann died in a self-duel. 22:43:26 Taneb: the Klein Four Group has an excellent song 22:45:37 izabera, i mean when he let his brain do the thinking he ended up in politics and little better off 22:45:54 you got a point 22:46:32 Which body part did all the maths? 22:46:41 hands 22:46:41 Lungs 22:46:45 pancreas 22:46:53 that's why you don't get any diabetic mathematicians 22:47:05 -!- boily has joined. 22:47:31 there's not many mathematicians without lungs either 22:47:44 i've met a few with gills 22:48:50 do gills replace lungs? 22:49:11 i thought fishes had lungs as well 22:49:28 ...what do you think fish lungs do? 22:49:50 -!- j-bot has joined. 22:50:10 i thought they had gills instead of a nose 22:50:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:50:37 no, gills are for breathing 22:50:42 so are noses 22:50:50 izabera: without lungs => http://www.xkcd.com/669/ 22:51:02 izabera, I'd trust Phantom_Hoover on this one, he's the channel's best submarine jouster 22:51:06 perhaps you want some undead or construct mathematicians 22:51:40 let's just wait a couple decades for that 22:51:46 at most 22:51:51 I keep giggling at "Narshmallow" (one of the post-it decorations at android.com/n -- the name-suggestion place). 22:52:55 android nicotine 22:53:34 That doesn't sound tasty at all. 22:54:00 tastes like chewing tobacco? 22:54:35 android nesquik 22:55:06 Android Newcastle Brown Ale 22:55:34 android neufchâtel 22:57:41 Android Nettle -- it stings. 22:58:30 Android Nesquik with a screamingly delicious fternooner. 22:58:41 `? fternoon 22:58:53 `? fternooner 22:59:06 `? fternoonest 22:59:13 lol 22:59:17 fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry. 22:59:17 Fternoon is the time of day when the Danes usually eat their fternooners. 22:59:17 fternoonest? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:59:47 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:00:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:04:59 it would be funnier with a quicker bot 23:08:07 -!- Frooxius has joined. 23:09:27 -!- Froox has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:10:47 -!- boily has quit (Quit: MONUMENTAL CHICKEN). 23:11:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:11:55 fung... wait, where's fungot. 23:12:26 -!- fungot has joined. 23:12:36 fungot: If you kept the wisdom database, it'd be much faster, right? 23:12:37 fizzie: it does replace stdout hello, world!". that's it. :) if your cs will be anything more than pass control to next. 23:12:59 fizzie: that would be more convincing if you didn't have to restart fungot just to get that reply hth 23:13:00 shachaf: imho? yes. does it do 23:13:26 fungot: does it do be like it is? 23:13:27 shachaf: the more interesting it seems. those fnord beetles for instance) 23:14:43 fungot: i'd stay away from fnord beetles 23:14:44 oerjan: reactance is gimmicky and sucks!" " no, there's no, et cetera...) s-expression, or do they keep track of how the r6rs thing works? its just... madness! 23:15:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:16:11 ^style 23:16:11 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 23:16:18 fungot: reactance is great 23:16:18 shachaf: 1 tests, 1 assertions, 0 failures, 0 errors and putting the usual order ( var stuff...)) are equivalent programs. 23:19:22 fungot: You're not very well-tested. 23:19:22 fizzie: it's very useful unless you're recovering from " fnord fnord! 23:20:29 fnord fnord! 23:21:16 -!- jix has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:21:50 I don't think you ever really recover from fnord fnord. 23:21:59 -!- jix has joined. 23:22:19 fungot: fnord 23:22:20 shachaf: it is a fine language. i expect that you are able to neutralize it or shoot such quantities it to outer space. 2016-05-19: 00:19:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:26:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:30:38 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 00:59:24 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:05:46 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:19:05 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:21:51 -!- mbrcknl has left. 01:21:51 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:32:57 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:57:32 :\ 02:09:44 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:09:49 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 02:16:11 -!- MDream has joined. 02:23:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:28:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:33:54 -!- boily has joined. 02:34:21 rhoily 02:34:33 bœrjansoir! 02:34:49 * oerjan now wonders if he lost count 02:35:29 ahoily 02:36:47 i don't think so. 02:37:04 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:37:06 hellochaf. 02:37:07 don't think i should ahoi boily? 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03:42:42 quintopia: Did you hear about the recent results regarding BB(n)? 03:42:56 http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725 03:43:28 oh, and there are some newer announcements in a post next to that 03:43:29 hi Cale 03:43:35 haven't ever seen you in here before 03:43:43 suddenly develop a taste for esoterica? 03:44:08 I was invited here when I was talking about my category-printf library 03:44:52 which uses the co-Kleisli category for the comonad of functions out of a fixed monoid to implement a small typed Forth-like language and type safe printf format specifications. 03:45:18 http://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-printf-0.1.1.0 03:45:20 quintopia: naturally. 03:45:27 It's actually remarkably practical! 03:45:49 apparently sorear has got it down nearly to 1000 states. 03:47:06 Cale: sounds right up our alley. who doesn't like printf? 03:47:23 I feel like I finally understand what printf is, mathematically 03:47:47 hm maybe just under 2000. 03:48:07 Cale: you should talk to mauke about it hth 03:48:19 it was the riemann hypothesis version that got under 1000. 04:04:31 -!- adu has joined. 04:17:06 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:20:30 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:21:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:23:33 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 04:33:34 -!- tromp_ has joined. 04:38:38 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:40:18 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:42:28 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:45:26 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 05:00:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:10:09 -!- notfowl has changed nick to fouul. 05:29:05 -!- adu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:29:41 -!- adu has joined. 05:34:46 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:39:07 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:43:05 -!- adu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:01:36 -!- fouul has changed nick to unifowl. 06:21:02 -!- Melvar` has joined. 06:23:56 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:36:49 -!- jaboja has joined. 06:49:00 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:00:19 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 07:22:31 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:22:32 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:31:10 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:34:54 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:40:06 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:01:14 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:02:36 `wisdom 08:03:07 lettuce//Lettuce is a vegetable with two dressings, join and meet. 08:03:51 `culprits wisdom/lettuce 08:04:09 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull oerjan FreeFull oerjan FreeFull oerjan oerjan 08:05:06 i suppose a semilettuce is either herbivorous or carnivorous 08:07:13 `learn JIT is just in time compilation. 08:07:18 Learned 'jit': JIT is just in time compilation. 08:07:28 that's not true 08:07:40 `sedlast s compilation 08:07:43 JIT compilation is just in time compilation 08:07:54 wisdom/jit//JIT is just in time. 08:08:03 agreed 08:08:03 hth 08:08:18 But a JIT is a just in time compiler. 08:08:33 Bah, clearly a JIT is a just in time decompiler. 08:08:54 Or is that a co-JIT? 08:09:15 That is not a cogent argument. 08:10:46 I'd be more interested in a JTL compiler. 08:11:08 What about a not-quite-in-time compiler? 08:11:11 I'm sure that has a use. 08:11:13 it compiles code after the instruction pointer left? 08:11:34 pikhq: I think that's the same as a just too late compiler. 08:11:40 So it is. 08:11:56 AABL compiler 08:12:09 Works out just fine if you then make the instruction pointer go in reverse. 08:12:23 not reverse, to the start 08:12:24 Good luck implementing the implicit COMEFROMS though. 08:12:44 pikhq: The Mill has two instruction pointers, one going forward and the other going backward. 08:12:44 you have to finish every code with a platform dependent jump instruction 08:13:03 Cale: alas, a bit late? 08:13:08 How Millishly odd. 08:13:32 I was thinking "always a bit late", but that might even be better :) 08:14:50 But with the Mill a jump instruction moves both instruction pointers to the same point. Then they start moving in opposite directions from there until they encounter another jump. 08:15:00 What if you jumped them to two different points, and they converged? 08:16:08 Hmm... Imagine a compiler that emits an asm sequence that looks innocuous, but ends up actually running at a one byte offset from each of the instructions and does something malicious. 08:16:18 Admittedly only really practical on x86. 08:16:59 no problem, every other architecture should just qemu 08:17:10 *Ugh*, qemu. 08:17:22 pikhq: how's pooches? 08:17:31 No, qemu, an IEEE double is not a valid implementation of x87 floats. 08:17:45 shachaf: Fairly okay. Not much news of note though. 08:18:23 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:18:30 x87 should use 87-bit floats 08:18:37 Somewhat irritated by a "I will definitely get back to you on Tuesday" that I still haven't heard back from. 08:18:44 Hah, yeah. 08:28:55 -!- TellTogos has joined. 08:31:17 -!- jaboja has joined. 08:43:30 shachaf: what's a difference with x86 then? 08:43:48 lifthrasiir: ? 08:44:01 > shachaf: x87 should use 87-bit floats 08:44:03 Not in scope: ‘shachaf’Not in scope: ‘x87’Not in scope: ‘should’ Not in s... 08:44:03 Perhaps you meant ‘float’ (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ) 08:44:07 oh f... 08:44:19 | probably I should use this kind of quotation then 08:44:25 okay, seems fine with bots 09:15:37 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:22:23 -!- clog has joined. 09:28:21 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 09:32:06 ^prefixes 09:32:06 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 09:37:27 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:41:37 make a bot with prefix of `I`, and you will be kicked 09:45:26 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:54:43 "x87 should use 87-bit floats" eww 09:57:39 -!- Cale has joined. 09:59:27 Similarly to how x86 should have 86-bit GPRs. 10:00:02 86-bit 86 GPRs. 10:17:00 fizzie: and nintendo-64 should have a 64-bit cpu 10:27:59 fizzie: Did the 486 have ~486-bit cache lines? 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For example, every human is included in the category /applied ethics/ because humans are in /people/ which is in /personhood/ which is in /issues in ethics/ which is in /applied ethics/." 17:09:02 :D: 17:09:56 for me it seems they should probably have "people" as in list of people in personhood 17:10:03 +not 17:40:00 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:40:23 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:44:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:52:23 -!- Melvar` has joined. 17:52:56 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:54:21 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:07:23 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:32:33 -!- idris-bot has joined. 18:32:43 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 18:33:00 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 18:43:32 -!- Cale_ has changed nick to Cale. 18:56:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:08:12 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 19:16:50 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:26:30 -!- FireFly has quit (*.net *.split). 19:26:30 -!- APic has quit (*.net *.split). 19:26:44 -!- APic has joined. 19:27:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:28:39 -!- FireFly has joined. 19:31:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:31:06 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:35:18 -!- lynn has joined. 19:35:41 -!- lynn has changed nick to Guest65370. 19:38:20 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 19:41:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:46:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:48:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:02:48 -!- Kaynato has joined. 20:08:36 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:09:28 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:14:42 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:16:28 -!- Guest65370 has changed nick to lynnnnn. 20:57:54 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:12:58 I went shopping today and bought myself a new surge protector, 21:13:25 and my grandmother a grandmaphone, at least I hope it is one, I'm going to charge its battery then test it live now to see if it is. 21:15:19 I don't think grandmaphones usually have batteries. 21:15:36 shachaf: what? how would they work otherwise? 21:15:54 You wind them up, don't you? 21:15:56 no 21:16:14 they need power for the mobile phone reception and for the light 21:16:33 and the loudscreamer 21:16:34 Mobile phone reception? For playing records? 21:17:10 what? it doesn't only play records, it works as a mobile phone but with a saner interface 21:18:13 I installed the surge protector, and also tested what else is on the same fuse as the computer (the cable modem is, as well as two ceiling lamps). 21:18:16 It plays records and works as a mobile phone? 21:18:25 Doesn't seem like it'd be all that mobile. 21:18:28 shachaf: it primarily works as a mobile phone 21:18:53 I think it might play mp3 music from its sd card, but I'm not sure about that part and don't much care 21:19:51 it doesn't play any sort of rotating disks 21:20:11 Then it's not much of a grammaphone, is it? 21:20:28 shachaf: it's a grandmaphone (I hope), definitely not a grammophone 21:20:41 You mean gramophone? 21:20:45 no 21:20:48 grammaphone 21:20:55 no 21:20:56 grandmaphone 21:21:10 I mean "You mean not a gramophone?". 21:21:19 yeah one of those huge cellphones with large keys 21:21:20 I assume a grandmaphone combines the best features of gramophones and grandmas. 21:21:27 and an emergency button for when they're having a stroke 21:22:13 izabera: I think this one doesn't have an emergency button (you just dial 112 and press the green button, that's the GOOD interface because it works on every phone there is) 21:23:26 ah, it does have an emergency button apparently 21:24:04 112 is police here 21:24:26 izabera: 112 is the all-purpose general emergency number, in most of Europe these days 21:24:37 didn't know it 21:24:44 izabera: it's handled by the police because they're the best equipped to serve as a call center these days 21:24:53 neat 21:24:57 b_jonas: Isn't that too easy to accidentally dial on rotary phones? 21:25:03 Which I assume a grandmaphone is. 21:25:30 shachaf: iirc people used to lock up rotary phones so that you couldn't deal most numbers 21:25:35 as in, if you need some other sort of emergency, they can call it, but if you can't communicate properly or doing prank calls, then it's best to get the police to know about it rather than the other emergency services 21:25:47 shachaf: no, it's not a rotary phone. rotary phones are almost extinct these days. 21:25:51 and that's why 112 113 and emergency numbers use low digits 21:26:02 Which is why only grandparents use them. 21:26:19 i have one in my room 21:26:23 shachaf: maybe, but in any case this isn't a rotary phone, it's a mobile phone 21:26:26 don't have a landline anymore though 21:26:38 and 112 is easy to dial, even on a mobile phone, but not TOO easy, and this is a feature 21:26:53 you should be able to dial it quickly even without looking, or to dial it on an unfamiliar phone 21:28:21 whoa whoa whoa, apparently 112 even works in North America. 21:28:26 On GSM phones, at least? 21:28:46 shachaf: yes, and very likely 911 works here too. those are undocumented features that hopefully exist. 21:29:14 shachaf: all the old emergency numbers _should_ work too, and I hope they do 21:29:46 but 112 is the recommended one, and the one that definitely works 21:29:51 what happens if i dial 911 for testing purposes? 21:30:05 like do they arrest me for disrupting a public service? 21:30:09 izabera: you should then talk to the operator and explain why you did it 21:30:23 izabera: if you do it only once and do talk with them, they probably won't arrest you, they have some grace 21:30:25 In .il, you dial 100 for the police, 101 for an ambulance, and 102 for the fire department. 21:30:28 What a mess. 21:30:45 shachaf: wait, are you asking about you in particular? they will arrest _you_ 21:30:50 but not normal people 21:30:55 b_jonas: What? I wasn't even asking. 21:32:21 And why are you saying I'm not normal? 21:32:29 I mean, is that intended as some sort of insult? 21:33:32 -!- lynnnnn has changed nick to lynn. 21:33:43 -!- lynn has quit (Changing host). 21:33:43 -!- lynn has joined. 21:33:43 -!- lynn has quit (Changing host). 21:33:43 -!- lynn has joined. 21:33:54 shachaf: Yes, GSM networks in the US IIRC are required to accept pretty much any emergency number and map them to 911. 21:34:34 -!- gamemanj has joined. 21:34:39 lynn: lynnnnnnnnnnn 21:34:43 doesn't have the same feel to it hth 21:35:15 pikhq: You should send that person an angry email about how it's Thursday and how dare they. 21:36:27 And relatedly, cell phone networks in the US are required to accept emergency calls no matter if it's from a paying subscriber or not... 21:36:31 Which is fairly nice. 21:37:42 (... also, phone companies aren't allowed to disconnect physical phone service, just change 'em to 911-only) 21:40:45 -!- Melvar` has joined. 21:42:04 -!- Melvar has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:42:07 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 21:42:12 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:01:48 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:06:42 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:06:53 -!- `^_^ has joined. 22:13:49 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:16:33 -!- nycs has joined. 22:17:34 -!- `^_^ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:30:36 <\oren\> i want a c++ compiler that emits c 22:31:53 I want a C++ compiler that omits C. 22:31:56 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:32:22 shachaf, a ++ compiler? 22:32:29 <\oren\> shachaf: how about both 22:32:30 Taneb++ 22:32:55 No, emitting C is scow. 22:33:03 <\oren\> why? 22:33:52 C isn't a good intermediate language. 22:34:03 It should emit C# instead 22:34:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:34:44 <\oren\> c is the most portable one 22:34:46 C is especially a bad intermediate language when you have ABI concerns around. 22:34:56 Taneb: How'd you do on Galois theory? 22:35:01 shachaf, well enough? 22:35:08 I'm pretty sure you can't meet typical C++ ABI with C output. 22:35:26 I couldn't figure out how to prove that pi/9 is an unconstructible angle 22:35:28 No, of course you'd need your own name mangling etc. 22:35:55 And global constructors wouldn't work well. 22:36:10 <\oren\> is there a standard for name mangling yet? 22:37:11 Taneb: Maybe Galois practice will be more successful. 22:38:40 <\oren\> hmm what about a c++ to GObject compiler 22:39:01 <\oren\> or is that a really evil idea 22:43:48 -!- tromp_ has joined. 22:48:10 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:58:16 [wiki] [[Unreadable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47047&oldid=46971 * Timwi * (-6) update link to Esoteric IDE 22:59:01 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:02:10 -!- `^_^v has joined. 23:05:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:09:26 -!- poq has joined. 23:11:33 where elliot and ion? 23:11:51 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:12:05 poq, I haven't seen either of them in a long while 23:12:19 ;[ k ty Taneb 23:12:32 * poq :-* to the wind 23:12:36 Taneb: You're in several channels with ion, at least. 23:12:46 -!- poq has left. 23:12:48 shachaf, I don't pay attention 23:13:01 Strictly speaking, I've never actually *seen* either of them 23:13:11 The words or the people? 23:13:25 I assume everyone in Hexham has seen everyone else in Hexham. 23:13:50 elliott was a hermit and I didn't go out much 23:14:09 `? hexham 23:14:26 Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico 23:15:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:16:24 tanello 23:18:40 -!- boily has joined. 23:19:49 `? boily 23:19:51 ​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist. 23:19:55 helloily 23:20:33 boily is a renowned Capitalist? 23:20:40 Does he have a top hat? 23:20:41 amazing that this bio includes no mention of portmantelleau 23:21:47 `? shachaf 23:21:48 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. 23:22:24 i think i'm the least quirky person 23:22:41 `quintopia 23:22:42 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quintopia: not found 23:22:45 `?quintopia 23:22:46 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?quintopia: not found 23:22:51 gdi 23:22:53 `? quintopia 23:22:54 quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator. He is flooded by thundercats and thunderdogs. He is the temporal antipode of boily despite living on the same continent. 23:24:35 quinthellopia! 23:24:37 Oh, disliking bell peppers makes you quirky now? 23:24:38 hellochaf! 23:24:41 copprello! 23:24:43 `? oerjan 23:24:44 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 23:25:19 `` sed -i 's/l\./l with a passion./' wisdom/oerjan 23:25:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:25:23 cosplay is pretty quirky 23:25:23 No output. 23:25:39 Well, ask Fiora what that's about. 23:27:27 I wonder if she'll ever come back to the chännel... 23:27:28 also bell peppers are great 23:27:56 bell peppers are delicious. 23:28:39 `? bell peppers 23:28:40 bell peppers? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:34:35 Today's xkcd seems... out of place 23:36:46 `` sed -i s/ante/anti/ wisdom/oerjan 23:36:51 No output. 23:37:27 hppavellon[1]. what about it? 23:37:40 boily: It looks like xkcd isn't the webcomic is should go in 23:37:53 :33 < bell peppers are the worst invention in culinary hisstory 23:38:34 shachaf, it's not the weekend yet 23:38:48 Taneb: What isn't? 23:38:50 hppavilion[1], i think randall's moving into totally batshit surreal humour 23:38:55 i approve, can't be worse than xkcd 23:40:02 shachaf, by "it" I was using the impersonal pronoun, to state that the current day is neither Saturday nor Sunday 23:40:11 Taneb: Oh, I follow. The :33 thing. 23:40:19 Yes 23:40:23 Does that constitute a costume? 23:40:40 Taneb and shachaf are making as much sense as fungot... 23:40:40 boily: in 5min that is, play stupid and violent games on a 3x3 array of lcd monitors 23:40:42 Seeing as I only see you online, I think so 23:41:02 Taneb: Well, I've invited you to California multiple times. 23:41:11 can i come to california 23:41:15 If nothing else, to take a big pile of Magic: The Gathering cards off my hands. 23:41:18 Phantom_Hoover: yes hth 23:41:25 shachaf, alas, I cannot afford travel 23:41:36 Just interview at some company and have them fly you over. 23:41:43 The copumpkin trick. 23:41:45 And paying to travel to California specifically to take your Magic cards would violate my oath 23:41:46 is the sale value of the mtg cards greater than the cost of the flights 23:42:14 It might be in a few decades. 23:42:27 But I can't guarantee to keep the offer open until then. 23:43:05 Also applying for a job interview in the US would violate my other oath 23:43:11 I have only two oaths 23:43:11 What are your oaths? 23:43:28 1) not to spend money on Magic: the Gathering; 2) not to work in the US 23:43:57 Obviously you would travel for other reasons. 23:44:06 Why did you swear not to work in the US? 23:44:15 we're having another guild tournament this summer at the office. I got Gruul this year ^^ 23:44:27 I'm pretty sure companies (at least usually) won't actually force you to become an employee even if you interview. 23:44:55 So you can have your all-expenses-paid interview trip, and then just cordially decline their offer. 23:45:14 boily, I'm just worried about living in a country that has no national healthcare and high firearms ownership 23:45:19 fizzie, hmm, that is a point 23:45:30 Yes, of course I didn't mean you'd accept the offer. 23:45:51 Just don't pick companies with too many international offices, like I did. I only got to visit London and Aachen. 23:46:02 fizzie, poor you 23:46:07 Being forced to visit London 23:46:23 Taneb: Well, what if you live in a country with no national healthcare but you make a lot of money? 23:46:34 Taneb: you should canada. we have healthcare! and meese! 23:46:43 shachaf, it'd be ideologically wrong 23:46:47 boily, far more tempting 23:46:49 Sure, but what isn't? 23:46:56 shachaf, working in Canada 23:48:05 You could go work in Vancouver and visit the US on weekends to cosplay Karkat Vantas. 23:48:31 That is one option 23:48:36 East Coast Best Coast. 23:48:46 West Coast Best Coast 23:48:50 East Coast Least Coast 23:49:03 Although I find you suggesting that I visit your country to cosplay a character Nepeta Leijon had a crushs on... suspect 23:49:14 boily, I agree 23:49:21 I was born on the east coast! 23:49:22 Well 23:49:24 An east coast 23:49:30 Taneb: I had to check my Shipping Wall. 23:49:36 i,i shipping and handling wall 23:50:14 virtual, or corkboard with printed photos of every character, with coloured strings pinned between them? 23:50:34 `? i,i 23:50:44 i,i? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:50:53 boily, painted in blood on a cave wall, I believe 23:52:10 Taneb: Which east coast? 23:52:21 shachaf, the one in England 23:52:27 Maybe you should move to the US and start a revolution. 23:52:45 Finland doesn't even have an east coast. 23:53:34 fizzie: If I remember correctly Google does EMEA SRE interviews in ZRH? 23:53:36 fizzie: you lack ambition. conquer Russia! 23:53:39 It's scow. 23:53:46 They should let you do them wherever you want. 23:54:01 How else are you supposed to travel to the US? 23:54:20 shachaf: I think I've heard something like that as well. And, well, I think you're supposed to travel to the US by accepting the offer. 23:54:37 fizzie: Well, it's too late by that point. 23:54:51 I have a visit to Cambridge, MA and Chicago, IL in August, incidentally. 23:55:02 And Mountain View, CA? 23:55:22 No, that'd have been a bit too much. 23:55:34 What! You can't not go to MTV. 23:56:12 I think I'm pretty capable of not going there, I've successfully not gone for a while now. 23:56:49 Which makes it all the harder to avoid this time. 23:57:08 When will you be in MA? 23:57:50 Everyone else I have anything to do with will either be coming from MTV to Chicago (it's a summit kind of thing) or is in Cambridge. 23:58:01 Summit? 23:58:05 ...it's concievable I've been to Mountain View 23:58:10 So you're all going to get drunk? 23:58:13 For a team of sorts. 23:58:15 I've definitely been to CA when I was very small 23:58:26 I skipped last year's, but that sounds plausible. 23:58:41 Some people are coming from MTV by train. 23:58:56 Apparently there's a scenic way to come by train. 23:59:02 fizzie: Which people? You should mention that in #trains. 23:59:13 There's at least one person who works at the Cambridge office there. 23:59:58 ...looking at where I remember going in CA 2016-05-20: 00:00:10 It's concievable I've been within 400 miles of Mountain View 00:01:11 "AMTRAK is like the Orient Express of the USA. It'll be a special time." 00:01:18 Have you been in the Bay Area? 00:01:53 Seems to be something called the California Zephyr. 00:02:02 pikhq, not as far as I'm aware 00:02:14 I remember Universal Studios which apparently is in Los Angeles 00:02:14 Alas. 00:02:20 Yeah, it is. 00:02:20 I was only 3 years of age 00:02:27 who is a good drummer? 00:02:50 Taneb: is it immoral for me to live in the united states 00:02:50 That is an odd question to ask, quintopia 00:03:10 would it be more or less odd to answer? 00:03:18 shachaf, it isn't immoral to me, you live there of your own free will 00:03:18 i'll take that as your answering "not me" 00:03:24 shachaf: how bout you? 00:03:37 I'm not a drummer at all. 00:03:43 I dislike drums. 00:03:57 Taneb: is it immoral to me, though 00:03:59 fizzello! drums? 00:04:07 shachaf, that depends on your morals 00:09:37 Is it immoral if you aren't a citizen of another country and thus have real issues living anywhere else? 00:10:05 I have all sorts of citizenships, though. 00:10:58 Hmm, but the other countries have mandatory military service. 00:11:43 Sure, but IIRC you've got the right to live anywhere in Schengen, so hey. 00:12:07 I have two with the vague possibility of a third 00:12:18 None of which as far as I am aware have mandatory military service 00:12:24 Yes, but I think the exemption specifically relies on me living in the US? 00:12:27 I'm not actually sure. 00:12:32 hppavilion[1], summary of my collated research on today's xkcd: 00:12:33 after extensive research i have concluded that the joke is that as it is spring there are rabbits around and people take pictures of the cute little ones 00:12:33 half of the joke appears to have been left out of the comic and the remainder has been extrapolated grotesquely by randall's blackbird-like comedic timing 00:12:44 No drums. 00:12:59 quintopia, I have a unicycle if it helps 00:14:01 Taneb: will that help us start an esoteric band 00:14:04 shachaf: Huh. I woulda figured it would be on you not living in the countries in question. 00:14:20 quintopia, I believe bands are made more esoteric if they have a unicycle 00:14:20 But then I am in no way an expert on mandatory military service requirements in other countries. 00:14:26 pikhq: Did you ever get emails from Skyrock Adventures? 00:14:34 Not to my knowledge. 00:14:50 However, I cannot yet ride said unicycle 00:15:03 Taneb: more eccentric, certainly. more esoteric though? 00:15:11 I would certainly hope you couldn't get in a situation where you would be forced to engage in mandatory military service in two countries *simultaneously*... 00:15:22 quintopia, only a select few people can ride a unicycle 00:15:34 Is a select few fewer than few? 00:15:35 none of which are here? 00:15:38 pikhq, especially if said countries were at war 00:15:46 In Finland, the military service is optional if you have a second nationality and haven't been living in Finland for the last seven years or more. 00:15:51 shachaf, not necessarily, but it is more prestigious 00:16:07 fizzie: Which is only half the situation for shachaf, unfortunately. 00:16:16 I haven't the foggiest clue how that works for Israel. 00:16:35 fizzie: Oh, is that true? But what happens when you move to Finland for seven years? 00:17:04 What if you are stationed in Finland while in another nation's military 00:17:26 you work a lot of overtime 00:17:52 Taneb: That typically is not considered "living in the country", bizarrely. 00:17:56 shachaf: If you move back to Finland while still <= 30 years old, you'll need to do it; if older than that, they'll just forget about it. 00:18:03 OK. 00:18:16 Then I can just wait [redacted] years and then move to Finland, I guess. 00:18:31 shachaf: so you originated in finland? 00:18:43 shachaf: you have one of those ridiculous names by birthright? 00:18:49 No, fizzie did. 00:20:27 (Apparently the 7-year rule is also just the threshold after which it's automatic. You can apply for an exemption even if you've been away from Finland less than that, if you're sufficiently free of connections to Finland.) 00:20:44 I have just the boring one nationality. 00:20:59 Alas, I only have US citizenship. So boring. 00:21:12 i should have followed this convo more closely 00:21:14 so lost 00:21:29 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:21:30 Rather better than a US green card though. Many of the related obligations without many of the rights. 00:21:48 I think I will head to bed now 00:21:50 Goodnight! 00:22:02 i keep meaning to get an irish passport 00:22:06 just for the sake of having one 00:22:28 `? oerjan 00:22:31 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antidiluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 00:22:38 shachaf: wat. 00:22:46 Phantom_Hoover, if the UK leaves the EU I'll be doing my best to get a Netherlands passport 00:22:51 `` sed -i 's/anti/ante/' wisdom/oerjan 00:22:54 oerjan: well, you've been known to kick people who flood the channel 00:22:55 No output. 00:22:59 ooh good point i should get on that 00:23:11 If the UK leaves the EU, I wonder whether they'll kick me out. 00:23:18 Phantom_Hoover, getting a Netherlands passport? 00:23:22 god the border situation's going to be a clusterfuck once that happens 00:23:33 fizzie, you live in the uk? 00:23:50 fizzie: That would be such a clusterfuck. 00:24:06 shachaf: TOO LATE 00:24:12 Though, the UK being in Schengen is not directly related to them being in the EU. 00:24:28 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, since January last year. 00:24:32 It's possible they could leave the EU but still be in their weird half-Schengen state. 00:24:41 oerjan: apparently you mildly dislike puns with a passion too hth 00:25:07 is ireland in schengen? presumably not since in practical terms the borders work the same as the UK 00:25:22 Phantom_Hoover, it's got the same deal as the UK 00:25:22 fizzie, hmm, where 00:25:51 Phantom_Hoover: Half-Schengen. They're on the same bizarro thing where they agree to many of the terms such as the right to residence for Schengen citizens, but not the open border. 00:26:15 shachaf: only puns masquerading as stupid typos hth 00:26:23 Phantom_Hoover: London. 00:27:03 fizzie: I heard the new London office was going to be pretty good. 00:27:32 shachaf: Well, I mean, there's two. 00:27:50 shachaf: There's the one we're moving in soon, that's just a boring old office building rented from someone. 00:28:11 shachaf: And then there's the new building Google's building from scratch, that's supposed to be incredible and all that. 00:28:23 Of course the latter doesn't actually exist. 00:28:26 What, they're still building it? 00:28:28 It's been years. 00:28:32 They haven't started yet. 00:28:37 -!- xkapastel has joined. 00:28:38 There's an impressive hole in the ground, though. 00:28:48 Well, y'know, it's gotta be web-scale. 00:28:51 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:29:17 The story I heard was, the plans were insufficiently awesome and had to be scrapped. 00:29:34 Has to be true, since that's what Daily Mail says: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2950181/Google-scraps-boring-plans-London-HQ-Internet-giant-s-boss-Larry-Page-orders-architects-design-building-worthy-standing-100-years.html 00:29:39 ah for fuck's sake i think i need mine and my parents' birth certificates to get an irish passport 00:29:46 Sounds like Page. 00:30:33 The office that actually does exist is right next to the hole in the ground, though, so at least it'll be a short move if they eventually end up building something. 00:40:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:42:59 fizzie: now i'm thinking of those sinkholes... 01:02:58 sinkholes. deep into the ground, a little bit darker than they ought to be. than they have the right to be. shouldn't they be lightened more by the light source you carry? 01:03:07 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:03:32 a flashlight should do its job, not bring out too many shadows, right by the corner of your vision. 01:04:25 the descent is easy, even if the rock is clammy. steps hewn so many years ago are uneven, but wide. you won't slip, or if you do, you'll be close enough to the ground to not break too many bones. 01:05:10 or you hope so. the ground isn't there, and you fear it has forsaken you. not even a geological laugh to remind you of its presence. it smirks, in the darkness. 01:05:25 shoily. i assume there's a reference. 01:08:24 I may be in the act of reading a few SCPs... 01:08:37 that'd do it. 01:09:11 the flashlight reminded me of another one, the dimension hopper. 01:10:28 let's just say you shouldn't assume light is harmless. 01:12:32 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: We are the Knights Who Say Ni!). 01:14:30 SCP-507 is a very well done article. 01:14:56 I was inspired by SCP-087, my all-time favourite. that one is gutwrenchterrifying. 01:17:26 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:29:01 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:37:13 Oh, disliking bell peppers makes you quirky now? <-- definitely! 01:39:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:40:18 oerjan: you know what else is quirky? editing your own wisdom entry hth 01:41:10 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 01:41:16 `? evil 01:41:53 evil? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:42:14 `? overlord 01:42:19 now where did i put it. 01:42:20 Evil overlords do evil acts like taking over the world, kicking puppies, and changing their own wisdom entries. 01:42:25 ah there it was. 01:42:29 shachaf: ^ 01:44:34 Help I think my language nomadness is at a standstil 01:44:49 I try to look at other languages but all I see is ways that they're bad because they're not Rust. 01:44:59 -!- Moon_ has joined. 01:45:34 Sgeo: how am i going to make a "rusted" pun when you type this fast tdnh 01:46:03 `? sgeolang 01:46:05 Sgeolang is probably Rust ATM. 01:46:52 how is this the first time i've heard of sgeolang 01:47:25 `learn Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. 01:47:30 Relearned 'sgeolang': Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. 01:48:29 I'm trying to look at Perl 6, but I keep getting hung up on its mutability model not being Rust's, and that roles suck compared to Rust traits 01:48:30 Phantom_Hoover: `wisdom uses a bad PRNG? 01:48:38 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:49:06 honestly i kind of assumed sgeo stopped jumping languages after i stopped paying attention to this channel 01:49:08 A lot of other stuff I can almost forgive based on Perl 6 being dynamically typed 01:52:51 Does hackego allow sshing? 01:54:54 Sgeo: i think your language behavior may be the opposite of nomadness hth 01:55:05 Mhelloon_. you should try! 01:55:18 oerjan: `wisdom was created just the other day anyway 01:55:25 Sgeo: What about all the ways Rust is bad because it's not Haskell? 01:55:37 all it means is that you've grown old and set in your ways hth 01:56:18 `sh 01:56:22 `ssh 01:56:49 No output. 01:56:49 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ssh: not found 01:57:19 `` hg log bin/wisdom | tac 01:57:28 No output. 01:57:44 shocking 01:57:44 `` hg log bin/wisdom | grep date 01:57:46 date: Tue May 03 23:17:41 2016 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:53:18 2015 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:52:06 2015 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:50:09 2015 +0000 \ date: Mon Nov 16 02:40:16 2015 +0000 \ date: Thu Jul 02 15:13:01 2015 +0000 \ date: Thu Jul 02 15:06:48 2015 +0000 \ date: Sun Jun 21 02:4 01:57:53 `` hg log bin/wisdom | grep date | tail -n1 01:57:55 date: Mon Jun 01 23:54:10 2015 +0000 01:58:03 see, it's less than a year old 01:58:24 ! 01:58:47 shachaf: Rust is good, exactly because it isn't Haskell. 02:00:08 * oerjan quickly jumps into the bomb shelter 02:00:17 `? hackego 02:00:19 HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! 02:01:01 `? rust 02:01:03 Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell. 02:01:07 rust is da bomb 02:07:45 Rust fixes a lot of problems Haskell has IMO 02:10:51 Like rank-n types? 02:11:18 Like annoying to use records 02:12:01 https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/47ucw9/comparing_haskell_and_rust_which_to_choose_when/d0fphn2 02:12:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:13:23 Rust Uses Simple Types 02:15:01 Rust has type families and not fundeps, instead of both for historical reasons like Haskel 02:15:03 Haskell 02:18:00 does it have injective type families, though 02:22:06 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:22:20 -!- boily has quit (Quit: EDUTAINMENT CHICKEN). 02:27:14 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:06:17 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 03:11:31 * Sgeo has no idea what those are 03:12:06 shachaf, I have been able to fake rank-n types in some circumstances, although it sucks 03:13:39 I made a trait (like a Haskell class) representing forall a. (Reifies a b) => a -> b 03:13:51 But I don't have a reasonable way to write closures that satisfy that 03:14:22 I made a macro, but it doesn't close over stuff: 03:14:22 https://gist.github.com/Sgeo/3d7f8449ea5ba136038a9c677e744004#file-haskell_reflection_2-rs-L157 04:02:27 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:16:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:21:50 -!- jaboja has joined. 04:26:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:30:53 -!- idris-bot has joined. 04:39:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:09:07 I have writen some designs for a kind of computer machine and I wrote about the video processor and blitter and so on. The blitter is not nearly as advanced as Amiga, though. 05:20:03 You could do memcpy(dest,src,n) as memblt(dest,1,src,1,n,0,MEMBLT_OPAQUE) and memset(s,c,n) as memblt(s,1,&c,0,n,0,MEMBLT_OPAQUE) for example. 05:20:41 Do you like this? 05:20:51 Do you know some things about computer hardware design? 05:22:35 I know some things 05:22:56 the general problem with blitters is that you need 3 times the memory bandwidth 05:23:28 once for reading the texture, once for writing to the framebuffer, and once for displaying to the screen 05:23:57 Unlike Amiga the blitter in my design uses up CPU cycles and cannot run simultaneously with the CPU. Also screen displaying is a separate component. 05:24:28 The video processor is clock interleaved with the CPU. 05:25:04 doesn't the amiga share the same ram for gfx and cpu& 05:25:05 ? 05:25:18 (or at least the amiga 500) 05:25:39 I don't know a lot about Amiga, but I think it does share some of the RAM. 05:26:00 yeah it has 2 types of ram... chip ram and fast ram 05:26:13 fast ram is fast because it's not shared with the video and sound hw :3 05:26:31 Yes, and only the Chip-RAM is shared. 05:26:54 do you have hw scrolling? 05:27:36 My own design is different; video and CPU are clock-interleaved so both have exclusive access to memory. CPU can run at double speed when video is disabled (note that video is normally enabled even during vblank, since the video processor executes instructions during vblank and hblank) 05:28:09 what generation of dram is your system designed around? 05:28:12 mad: Yes, the video processor runs a program which can write to the video registers in order to implement scrolling and so on 05:28:24 early c64 like dram or modern? 05:28:39 also, 8 bits? 16 bits? 32 bits? 05:28:50 64 bits? 05:29:14 I haven't decided anything about DRAM yet, although it is 8-bits data, 32-bits address (audio memory is 16-bits data though) 05:29:42 doesn't it make sense to have vram if you have ram for audio? 05:29:55 or share the audio ram between gfx and sound? 05:31:11 8-bit ram shared between cpu and gpu might not be fast enough to run a blitter 05:31:25 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:31:25 unless you're doing it in 4 colors or 2 colors 05:32:29 The designs can change in future of course, although currently what I have for audio is that it uses separate memory and can run in parallel with CPU/video, so CPU cannot access it (you would have to use some kind of DMA transfer modes to do it I suppose) 05:33:02 some systems have no cpu access of vram either 05:33:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:33:17 like.. genesis I think (though it has dma for that) 05:35:34 the issue I see is that dram runs at something like 3mhz 05:35:41 which leaves 1.5mhz for the gpu 05:36:22 for NTSC that's about 96 memory accesses per scanline 05:39:46 since the active region is about 75% of the width that's like (80% on paper + 5% overdraw or something like that), 72 cycles for the actually drawn pixels 05:40:40 which means you have to draw about 4 pixels worth of graphics per byte 05:52:32 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:03:04 to get 16 colors you'd need either 16bit ram, separate cpu vs gpu ram, or more modern ram that's faster if subsequent accesses fall in the same page 06:03:14 or multiple ram banks on the same address pins 06:15:01 then to draw sprites you probably have to eat into your cpu cycles or leftover gpu cycles but that's not too bad if you don't have too many large objects :3 06:18:34 I think Perl6 is bad at math 06:18:35 m: say (1+10i) ~~ (-∞..∞) 06:18:35 rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«True␤» 06:18:36 oops 06:18:50 Gah I hate HexChat sometimes 06:18:59 m: say (1+10i) ~~ (-∞..∞) 06:19:06 camelia> rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«True␤» 06:25:20 for real? *scnr* 06:27:55 zzo38 : basically I've looked at this... it's hard to really have sprites on a 8bit system with shared gpu + cpu ram 06:28:06 tho c64 does it (barely) 06:30:44 and I guess the msx2 vdp does it but it has really few sprites and not very high bit depth 06:32:56 The C64 does it, but at the expense of the CPU not being able to read RAM as often while the screen is drawn. 06:33:52 The VIC ends up taking exclusive control of the bus at various points, which sucks. 06:35:12 yeah 06:35:37 the whole system is just kinda strapped for bandwidth 06:35:54 and it has to have an extra SRAM for the colors 06:38:47 one of the reasons the amiga can do more simply because the ram bus is 16bits instead of 8bits 06:39:21 (ok and also having proper cmos chips instead of slow nmos and enough chip space for control registers for everything :3 ) 06:41:53 I have written the list of cycle accesses and that stuff 06:43:27 It is two clock cycles per pixel (which is what Digi-RGB (also another specification I made up) uses). 06:43:47 Here is what I have written so far: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/new.computer There is more but on paper and I have not written it into the computer yet. 06:44:57 As it turns out, I have exactly sixteen memory accesses needed per tile, which is what I needed. 06:45:57 Note that CPU and video are clock interleaved, so both have exclusive access to RAM. 06:48:54 Sprites are 8x8 or 8x16 and the attribute byte of a sprite consists of a 4-bit plane mask, a collision bit, a height bit, a occult bit, and a impostor bit. 06:52:51 2 gpu clocks per pixel? 06:52:55 -!- unifowl has left ("Leaving"). 06:53:01 which means 4 all in all? 06:54:08 Yes 06:54:31 that means you'd have to access ram @ 25mhz no? 06:55:12 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:55:15 I don't know yet all of the speed, and the plans may change in future as I have said. 06:55:50 for 320x240x60, that's about 400x262x60 in terms of clock cycles if you cound hblank+vblank, that's 6.3mhz 06:55:54 pixel clock 06:56:39 which means it would have to be SRAM or something 06:57:15 I was thinking SRAM actually 06:57:53 Although changes are possible as it gets made up more, there can be whatever changes we consider necessary to correct it. 06:58:09 640x480 quadruples this problem 06:58:27 unless it has a reduction in features 06:58:47 Yes, the frame rate could be reduced perhaps 06:58:59 on a lcd? 06:59:05 or you could interlace it 07:01:06 Yes interlacing is another possibility that I have thought of, but am unsure about it. However it does seem interlacing would clearly work fine with the video registers I have defined, as the display program could be defined for an interlaced display. However, I only intended 320x240 to be used for analog output while the other modes are only for LCD 07:03:18 However you have mentioned some problems so I could consider how to fix it 07:05:05 it's like they used all sorts of tricks on later systems so that they could do more colors and resolution 07:05:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:05:50 mostly more memory bits and fast page dram (=faster if accesses fall on the same page) and multiple ram areas 07:07:12 it's kinda sad that dram just got more and more complex as it sped up 07:07:21 instead of staying simple and just speeding up 07:07:47 That's why I avoided it, because it is too complex 07:08:35 and sram sizes are still tiny and prices kinda hair raising last time I checked :D 07:09:00 tho psram might not be too bad 07:09:50 What does "psram" mean? 07:10:11 pseudo static ram 07:10:27 basically dram designed to have some characteristics of static ram 07:10:46 Yes that might work (if I can understand it better) 07:11:16 it varies from chip to chip I think but it goes from auto-refresh, to chips that have special layout with smaller rows so that they can be read with full accesses every time 07:11:56 and I remember reading about it being used in the first Iphones (presumably to get to market faster instead of dealing with the insane timings of DDR33456) 07:14:22 afaik the genesis has psram as well 07:16:07 OK 07:45:24 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:51:47 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 07:53:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:54:25 `? galss 07:54:27 galss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:54:30 `? glass 07:54:32 I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. 07:54:57 `slashlearn glass/I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. -- http://www.savagechickens.com/2016/05/new-diet.html 07:55:00 Relearned «glass» 07:58:49 You could implement graphical displays as either 4-plane PseudoColor XYPixmap or 15-plane TrueColor ZPixmap. 08:04:49 Hopefully you could see how you can do both of these things, as well as imitating PC text mode (including cursor) and VT100, by the use of the system I have designed (I have updated the document a bit). 08:06:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:07:31 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:08:45 -!- zadock has joined. 08:11:18 -!- zadock has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:29:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:55:27 http://i.imgur.com/xRhwA0M.jpg SPIRITS ARE ALLLWAAYS WITH YOOOUUU 10:19:46 -!- augur_ has joined. 10:19:47 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:36:06 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:01:41 -!- jaboja has joined. 11:01:51 There's a warning on the menu saying "fish may contain bones", which sounds reasonable, but there's also another warning saying "olives may contain", and that's a bit more dubious. 11:03:36 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:04:35 ominous 11:05:19 -!- int-e has set topic: The international hub of solidity matrices | May contain | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 11:26:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 11:30:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:35:26 -!- boily has joined. 11:43:13 xhoily 11:48:32 alphabetint-ello! 12:24:14 -!- boily has quit (Quit: COLLAGEN CHICKEN). 12:25:14 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 13:41:31 -!- ybden has joined. 13:42:37 -!- bender has joined. 13:46:11 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:48:47 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:08:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:11:30 i have an idea 14:11:58 let's found the "committee for the code that's not 100% awful" 14:12:26 then we can give away stickers that people can add to their readme on github 14:12:41 like "approved by CCN100A" 14:14:14 the number of stars on github is clearly not enough to separate crap from good code 14:16:26 hi, people 14:18:56 -!- HackEgo has joined. 14:29:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:39:22 -!- Akaibu has joined. 14:41:09 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:53:06 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:55:41 -!- spiette has joined. 14:57:53 Hey look, Scott Aaronson replied to a question with a Kipling quote included => https://www.quora.com/Whats-your-advice-to-someone-beginning-his-her-PhD-in-Theoretical-Computer-Science/answer/Scott-Aaronson 14:58:02 `? if 15:00:00 i'm only halfway (? the list seems to keep growing) through those answers. 15:00:22 or wait 15:00:35 that may have been the one i actually skipped most of. 15:01:08 oerjan: it's one of the first ones 15:01:17 what's with hackego? 15:01:21 he's left? 15:01:23 strange 15:01:35 I think `? if isn't the same verse, but still 15:01:43 it's from the same poem 15:02:28 b_jonas: whoops 15:03:17 it was the last of Gregor's bots remaining. although maybe it'll rejoin, even if the others didn't. 15:05:13 oerjan: oh, he runs bots on multiple hosts? 15:05:20 at the same time that is 15:05:23 I haven't done that yet 15:05:57 I've relocated my bot to another host manually for months once when I knew the normal host wasn't available for a while, but I never tried to run them on multiple machines at once. 15:09:03 um i'm not talking about multiple copies of the same bot. except for glogbackup, which was supposed to only be here when glogbot isn't. 15:11:08 although it would be hard to keep two copies of HackEgo in sync, because they store so much persistent mutable data 15:11:49 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:12:45 and afaik Gregor never synced glogbot with glogbackup, even when it was working. 15:23:00 https://github.com/davidlind/taas 15:26:22 -!- HackEgo has joined. 15:37:16 -!- pelegreno has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:38:32 -!- pelegreno has joined. 15:38:44 `botsnack 15:38:56 ​>:-D 16:03:38 `? if 16:03:59 If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: 16:04:33 right, different verse of the same poem 16:15:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:26:46 <\oren\> i want a port of allegro 4 to javascript 16:26:56 allegedly. 16:33:29 \oren\: what's "allegro 4"? 16:33:35 `? allegro 16:33:36 `? allegro 4 16:33:44 allegro? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:33:44 allegro 4? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:33:53 <\oren\> a game library for C 16:33:57 ah 16:34:07 and why would you want a javascript port of that? 16:34:14 also, hell\oren\ 16:35:01 <\oren\> i have a much fadter computer now so i could make my old games into web games 16:35:31 \oren\: but it's not your computer that matters for that, it's the computer of the people playing those games, right? 16:36:15 <\oren\> the computer i wrote them on was a ancient dell laptop from 2006 16:36:17 and my computer for example isn't powerful enough. although I recently decided it's finally time to buy a new computer that's more powerful, that will still take some time because there's some more urgent stuff I have to do before. 16:37:27 <\oren\> so i think average pc today could do it in js 16:38:11 is it unrealistically expensive if I want the desktop computer with a motherboard that can be expanded to up to 32 gibibytes of RAM, even if I only want to buy 8 gibibytes of RAM for it now? 16:38:38 that's a rhetorical question, there's not much need to answer, I'll find out the answer when I look at specific motherboard models 16:38:46 and I have more criteria I want from it 16:39:19 I know it will cost a ton, and I have other things I want to spend money on, but still, it will be worth 16:39:38 I want all the shiny modern hardware stuff 16:39:42 ok, not all 16:39:44 but much of it 16:40:15 <\oren\> i bought a thinkpad 16:41:19 <\oren\> but i have built desktops in the past 16:41:53 I also want to buy a compact camera, which sounds like it's cheaper, but actually much of the hardware of a desktop computer lasts for very long, and I can expand it by replacing only some parts (additional RAM, storage, etc) later, the costs are really the same order of magnitude. 16:43:16 The camera won't sit in a room, so its hardware (especially the lens mechanics) is amortized quickly. 16:44:11 I bought a surge protector yesterday 16:47:42 I'd buy something that I could stick at least 32 gigs in eventually. 16:47:52 I'd buy 16 in it to start with, even. 16:48:00 (This workstation's got 64.) 16:52:54 -!- Akaibu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:55:45 -!- Akaibu has joined. 17:19:46 https://vimeo.com/93042377 17:35:40 -!- sebbu3 has joined. 17:36:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:36:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:54:05 -!- `^_^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:54:34 -!- `^_^v has joined. 17:58:52 -!- xkapastel has joined. 18:14:50 `olist 1037 18:14:51 olist 1037: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 18:20:46 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:54:10 -!- sebbu3 has changed nick to sebbu. 19:20:09 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:28:49 -!- gremlins has joined. 19:30:30 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:12:59 -!- nycs has joined. 20:15:30 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:20:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:21:03 Like annoying to use records 20:21:11 i thought someone had Solved The Records Problem 20:22:47 thx 20:24:02 b_jonas did, with the grandmophone 20:26:40 -!- puckipedia has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:26:50 -!- puckipedia has joined. 20:51:33 Now I wrote a display program for use with what my new computer design says so far, that can imitate a PC text screen without the cursor (but does implement blinking text). You can look in order to see example of its working. 20:51:47 I also wrote about audio working now 21:16:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:18:29 Compared with Amiga, my system cannot execute instructions on the video processor during rendering (so writes to video registers can occur only between scanlines or during vblank), although I have a more complex instruction set (with sixteen instructions instead of three), although the instruction set is fully orthogonal (there are two address mode bits, two condition bits, and four instruction kind bits) 21:21:25 Raster bars (horizontal and vertical) effects can still be implemented though. 21:30:22 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 21:38:09 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monadic_predicate_calculus 21:38:11 v. misleading tdnh 21:39:11 zzo38: is this that older low-level computer design of yours that has the strange complicated collection of addressing modes and treats the instruction pointer a general register? 21:39:54 Monadic first order logic is fun. 21:39:57 No it is a different one, and I haven't written about the CPU instrucion set 21:39:58 by complicated collection of addressing modes, I mean an instruction can have two or three arguments, each of which has a variable addressing mode with a variable number of extra bytes to encode the instruction 21:40:08 making it hard to decode instructions 21:40:20 zzo38: ok 21:40:33 and that one, I thin ,had more than 16 "instructions" 21:40:52 The one I mean is this one: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/new.computer it isn't that complicated to decode instructions. I have written about the video processor and audio and operating system. 21:41:05 Note that the video processor's instruction set is not the same as the main processor's instruction set 21:42:09 Do you like this so far? 21:43:40 zzo38: oh, while we're at designs for instruction sets, just out of curiosity, have you ever looked at John Savard's designs at eg. http://www.quadibloc.com/arch/perint.htm or http://www.quadibloc.com/prog/lg00.htm ? 21:44:25 I will look now 21:49:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:57:18 zzo38: this thing you describe and call a “video processor” sounds like a auxiliary general cpu to me, which runs synchronized with the RAM acess, and that's why it runs only during hsync and vsync time. It doesn't seem like specifically a *video* processor. It doesn't have parallelism or much video-specific things. 21:57:35 zzo38: also, the sentence “Video registers are read-only.” is probably a typo 22:00:24 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:02:35 Yes; it should be write-only. I fixed it now 22:04:03 It is meant for programming the video registers and can execute instructions or read during rendering, what the instructions programmed it to do. 22:05:40 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:11:06 -!- Reece` has joined. 22:19:43 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:22:46 Do you have other comments about this? 22:23:45 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:26:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 22:32:23 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:34:22 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:39:41 If you have a Turing machine where the symbol on the tape is erased whenever you move left, is that equivalent to a push-down automaton? 22:40:34 It look it will be like the stack if you do that? 22:41:02 do you erase the symbol you're going to or the symbol you're coming from... 22:41:44 but assuming the lattter it should directly translate to a PDA. 22:43:08 The latter. 22:43:27 oh. did you intend to put input on the tape? 22:43:44 -!- ybden has changed nick to looking. 22:43:59 Oh, I guess a PDA usually has a separate input tape. 22:47:09 you get something quite odd when the input and the stack share a tape... because you can compare the stack size to the current input position. so recognizing { a^nb^nc^n | n in N } seems possible. 22:54:57 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:56:25 -!- looking has changed nick to ybden. 22:58:38 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:18:42 Amazon, you're a liar. 23:18:58 shocking 23:19:01 They said they'll dispatch something on the 17th, but it's still "preparing to dispatch". 23:19:13 Did they say the 17th of which month? 23:19:22 I think they did. 23:19:29 year? 23:19:41 That they don't say. 23:19:48 see, there you go. 23:19:55 They do say "Expected by 22 May", but that also lacks the year. 23:35:32 time zone? 23:38:02 Or perhaps they're just still using the Julian calendar. 23:38:18 it could be UTC-39999:00:00 timezone 23:39:13 I still think we could make an authentic old-timey or medieval or “eighties” or “19th century” etc theme park just by declaring it's in some time zone with a large negative offset 23:40:26 O, that's how you do it? 23:41:10 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:41:48 (The Julian calendar is 13 days behind the Gregorian now... no change since the October revolution) 23:48:03 b_jonas: I don't think a UTC-P30Y time zone is all that reasonable or authentic. 23:50:41 int-e: it won't change until 2100. 23:51:54 -!- Akaibu has joined. 23:57:50 Do you like the PC text imitation display program I wrote, and can you find any mistakes in it? 2016-05-21: 00:00:38 oerjan: I KNOW 00:01:33 oerjan: what I failed at was history, not the arithmetic of the two calendars. 00:02:36 OKAY 00:03:55 speaking of arithmetic, I still haven't convinced Isabelle that the laver tables as computed are actually shelves... 00:04:51 Though I've come closer. I have proved the pasting modulo 2^(n-1) property. 00:10:48 what's that 00:12:03 http://isabelle.in.tum.de/ ? 00:12:11 .... 00:12:13 or the property... 00:12:18 the property. 00:13:04 "pasting" is misleading... it's that dropping the top bit gives a homomorphism to a smaller shelf 00:13:27 but I think of it as pasting 4 copies of the smaller table and then tweaking the top bits. 00:13:42 int-e: right. also setting the top bit (or clearing, dependent on indexing) 00:14:22 and of course all this is part of a huge induction step... I'm assuming that the smaller table is a shelf. 00:14:39 int-e: ok, remind me again, how do index things. it's impossible to talk about this without agreeing on that. 00:15:03 *how do you 00:15:54 admittedly the convention in john baez's blog post does not fit well with the bit twiddling :( 00:15:57 In the formalization I'm using 0..2^n - 1 as carrier and a |> 2^n - 1 = (a-1) mod 2^n ... so 2^n - 1 is the generator 00:16:20 so the "dual" version according the the laver.hs file I made 00:16:35 ok. 00:16:48 so 0 is the left identity / right absorber. 00:17:01 yes 00:17:22 int-e: in that case, \x -> 2^(n-1) |> x is that homomorphism you mention. 00:18:58 Which is... obviously an homomorphism if you have a shelf. 00:19:31 int-e: ok, here's my idea: don't do induction in such a big step. instead, prove from the fact that {0, ..., x} is a shelf that (a) x has period a power of 2 (b) {0, ..., x+1} is a shelf. 00:20:00 (a) holds generally for any element of a shelf that _has_ a period. 00:21:38 to show (a), you can show that {x, x |> x, x |> x |> x, ..., } is isomorphic to a laver table. 00:22:39 (you also need that laver tables have size a power of 2 if they are shelves.) 00:22:59 not sure how much of this you've already proved. 00:23:29 Hmm, regular languages are exactly those that are recognized by a finite monoid. 00:24:16 (i can give you a proof for the power of 2 thing too) 00:24:34 (in fact that's the only part that needs something resembling "bit twiddling") 00:24:43 I have not proved that non-powers of 2 don't work... as I currently see it, in order to prove that 2^n * o doesn't work, where o > 1 is an odd number, I first need the laver table of size 2^n. 00:26:12 I haven't been following the topic, so I went to see the 'pedia summary, and it was exceedingly useful: "In mathematics, Laver tables -- are tables of numbers that have certain properties." 00:26:52 Since 2^n |> x is the first row where things go wrong. 00:27:04 what kind of system was cheaper to build in the late 80's... a system with independent 8bit DRAM for CPU and GPU, or a system with 16bit DRAM shared between CPU and GPU? 00:28:07 fizzie: the main property is self-distributivity: a |> (b |> c) = (a |> b) |> (a |> c); an operation with that property is called a shelf. 00:29:05 I guess the 16bit system has technically fewer pins 00:29:11 but needs a beefier processor 00:29:26 int-e: hm let me recall the important things. first, if y is an element of a laver table, then \x -> (y+1) |> x maps the period of 2^n-1 (i.e. the whole shelf) onto the period of y. 00:31:44 moreover, z |> x maps to ((y+1) |> z) |> y, which means that this map _commutes_ with going to the next step in the periods. 00:31:58 er, 00:32:07 * z |> (2^n-1) maps to 00:32:20 shachaf: "recognized by a finite monoid"? What do you mean by that? 00:32:45 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognizable_set 00:33:21 Neat. 00:34:06 int-e: from this, you can deduce that ((y+1) |>) ^{-1} (x) has the _same_ size for all x in the image. which means that the period size of y must _divide_ 2^n. 00:34:52 * oerjan might be mixing haskell and math too much here 00:36:42 int-e: now let, ad absurdum, {0,...,x} be a minimal laver table such that x is _not_ a power of 2. it follows that all elements _other_ than x have period a power of 2. 00:37:49 let 2^k be the largest such period. then 2^k divides x, and so x >= 3*2^k since it is not itself a power of 2. 00:38:45 but now consider y = 2^(k+1) < x. i claim that this element must have period 2^(k+1), a contradiction. 00:39:14 um 00:39:22 *y = 2^(k+1)-1 00:39:54 sorry, bit of off-by-ones up in there. it's x+1 that's not a power of 2. 00:40:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:40:59 Since 2^n |> x is the first row where things go wrong. <--- I see that we agree on that :P 00:41:09 (though not on the variable names) 00:41:35 to prove that y has period 2^(k+1), it's enough to prove that z |> y = z-1 for 0 < z <= y. 00:43:17 Hmm, perhaps I should have written "I have not formalized" instead of "I have not proved" earlier... 00:43:27 but z |> y = (z-1) |> (z-1) |> ... |> (z-1) (y times), and by assumption z-1 has period a power of 2. 00:43:36 int-e: so do you mean you've got all this? 00:44:29 I mean I have a pretty clear picture in my head how I could prove it... you're doing some things differently. 00:44:37 oh wait damn 00:45:05 s/(y times)/(2^n-y times)/ 00:45:20 messing up the indexing again. 00:45:40 er wait 00:45:51 (x+1-y times) 00:46:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:46:39 and the period of z divides x+1 00:47:01 *z-1 00:47:51 int-e: thing is, i thought of all this using the indexing wikipedia uses. 00:47:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:48:38 which actually makes more sense for expanding z |> y into a chain 00:48:52 (then it has length y) 00:50:29 What kinds of monoids recognize e.g. context-free languages? 00:50:30 x+1-y = x+1-2^(k+1)+1 which is 1 more than a multiple of 2^k. 00:51:14 so since all periods of the z involved have lengths dividing 2^k, z |> y = z-1. 00:52:32 which proves that y has all of {0, ..., y} as its period set, of size 2^(k+1), which contradicts the assumption that 2^k is the maximal period of elements other than x. Q.E.D. and all laver tables must have period of 2 sizes. 00:53:04 int-e: was that clear? >:P 00:53:10 sort of 00:53:15 nice final typo 00:56:47 My feeling is that it really isn't that different from what I proposed... except that I intend to directly pick y as the largest power of 2 that divides x+1. 00:56:56 argh 00:56:59 *power 00:57:15 (well, actually the next power of two) 00:57:25 int-e: hm i guess that might work too 01:01:24 bbbbb 01:02:00 quintopia: ccc? 01:02:58 The real trouble with Isabelle is that concepts like "period" have to be broken down into smaller parts... 01:03:31 ah 01:04:59 there's also the minor detail that the periods are perfect... instead of having an initial part followed by a periodic one. 01:05:52 (connected to the fact that each period starts at 0, because that's the only way to get a larger predecessor) 01:06:41 though perhaps you have a better angle on that; there's a bit there early on that I didn't follow completely. 01:08:58 nah the fact you must go through 0 seems essential. 01:09:05 I also need sleep and I should get lambdabot into shape for ghc 8 on the weekend rather than working on shelves. 01:09:32 i tried vaguely thinking about what would happen if a period was not perfect. 01:10:01 it seems then there' no reason why they would be closed as shelves. 01:10:09 *as subshelves. 01:10:15 *+s 01:17:12 so much math today 01:17:39 yay 01:18:00 copprello 01:21:35 quinnichiwa 01:25:55 Mi salutas viojn. 01:26:55 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: doom). 01:35:55 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 01:41:24 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:48:58 so who needs some friday night alcohols? 01:49:22 gotta go fast 01:52:58 I would think the main instruction set for my new computer design should include Muxcomp too. 01:53:19 I don't want the alchols 01:53:30 what's muxcomp 01:55:02 It is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Muxcomp 01:55:03 zzo38: Why not? 01:55:57 (It would probably be slow if all operations are muxcomp, unless perhaps it is used in microcodes) 01:59:00 The document I wrote now includes a comment about that, as well as many other changes and additions 01:59:01 zzo38 : how do you enter the 6 inputs to the operation? 01:59:04 quintopia: no thanks, i had a drink on tuesday 02:00:06 I haven't put in all of the details yet, that is just an idea so far. 02:00:20 oerjan: which drink 02:01:01 zzo38 : ok how about 02:01:04 shachaf: cognac hth 02:01:55 lea bit3, bit4*2, r0 02:01:55 (as you may recall, it was constitution day) 02:01:55 oerjan is among the cognacenti 02:02:24 shachaf: indeed. i have a family anecdote to the effect i was an early fan 02:02:34 (3 years old iirc) 02:02:35 mad: What is that? Can you explain? 02:02:47 "cognacenti" could be a p. good pun 02:02:52 gotta save that one up 02:03:26 lea bit3, bit4*2, r0 02:03:26 lea bit2, r0*2, r0 02:03:26 lea bit1, r0*2, r0 02:03:26 lea bit0, r0*2, r0 02:03:26 shr lut, r0, r0 02:03:27 and r0, $1, r0 02:04:44 in other words: combine all your conditionals into a bit addresss 02:04:59 use bitshift to put the selected bit into bit 0 of result 02:05:10 use AND to clear remaining top bits 02:05:41 "YouTube's designers found the previous system ineffective because the options to rate a video between two and four stars were rarely selected." 02:05:58 idea: a rating system where you have to earn the right to use the top and bottom ranks 02:06:59 (someone's probably tried it) 02:07:08 -!- moonheart08 has joined. 02:07:11 like the system takes in your comments and computes how similar it is to troll comments 02:07:19 This is moon 02:07:31 -!- moonheart08 has changed nick to moon_. 02:07:32 mad: ...that's not very related... 02:07:38 and if it's not too similar and you have enough comments and ratings it lets you use double-thumbs-up and double-thumbs-down? 02:07:41 -!- moon_ has changed nick to moonheart08. 02:07:44 -!- diginet has quit (Quit: diginet has quit!). 02:08:00 how else do you compute people's ability to rate by machine? 02:08:55 mad: sorry, i didn't mean a right, a meant a quota. the idea is that you _have_ to give non-extreme rankings most of the time. 02:09:16 so that the rankings are forced to spread out more. 02:09:48 oerjan, is there a way to change my nick on only *one* channel? 02:09:57 moonheart08: i don't think so. 02:10:01 moonheart08: IRC does not do that. 02:10:01 urgh 02:10:08 ah well 02:10:13 oerjan : oh 02:10:28 The NICK command is for your connection to the server. You could make a second connection possibly though? 02:10:32 then a super bar that charges up when you give thumbs up or down 02:11:12 once it's charged all the way up you get to hitconfirm combo a thumbs up into a super thumbs up 02:11:20 I think the unary XOR operation in INTERCAL can be used for Gray codes? 02:11:25 Eh, true 02:11:32 brb 02:11:36 -!- moonheart08 has left. 02:11:39 mad: yeah maybe. 02:11:52 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 02:12:11 -!- moon__ has joined. 02:12:17 There we go 02:14:24 zzo38: hm the unary xor is basically a cellular automaton on the bits as a ring, isn't it. 02:14:35 i suppose the unaries are too. 02:14:40 *the other unaries 02:15:20 oerjan: Yes I think so. 02:24:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:27:38 -!- moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:28:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:40:45 mad, b_jonas: What is your opinion on the various other ideas I have written there? 02:41:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:43:18 hm 02:44:24 how are the sprites displayed? 02:45:23 By the use of the sprite buffer that is filled up during the previous scanline rendering 02:45:52 how does it know which sprites are active on the current scanline? 02:46:59 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:47:16 Because those are the ones in the sprite buffer. It is placed into the sprite buffer if the Y position is correct. 02:50:15 Writing to the sprite registers will affect the next scanline and not the current one, so your display program must take that into account. 02:51:01 why does it have to read sprite x y etc from memory if it has sprite registers? 02:51:46 The sprite registers only tell it where to find it in the memory and what the current scroll position is. 02:53:51 so it has memory reads of all the sprite data on every single scanline? 02:54:17 Yes, it has to 02:56:00 you don't have to fetch the sprite x y id etc if you have it in a register 02:58:25 Then you would need a register for each sprite I would think 02:58:35 yes 02:58:50 it depends on chip generation but eventually they had enough registers for that 02:58:53 And it would take up many of the instruction cycles available on each scan line 02:58:58 especially on snes etc 03:03:13 (The design I have seems that there is exactly enough clock cycles for each pixel to read everything necessary for playfield and for sprites) 03:04:19 What would you think of the stuff other than the video? 03:05:06 why is audio frequency in periods? 03:05:46 Why shouldn't it be? That is what many computers did, I think? 03:06:23 it depends on chip generation 03:06:53 if you're doing few channels of square waves then periods is simpler yes 03:07:21 once you start doing like 6 and 8 channels and FM synthesis and samples then frequency is simpler 03:10:38 To do anything with audio you would need to load a audio program into the audio processor, which would implement whatever you need. 03:13:23 does this require the audio cpu to busy write into the channels all the time? 03:14:45 Not all the time, because there is a period and it only has to write once the period has expired. 03:15:52 that's all the time 03:16:37 it can't do anything longer than one sample or else channels will start glitching :o 03:17:01 Each channel has separate registers 03:17:47 Although you could also add data together and put into one channel. 03:17:51 so the cpu has to keep 4 channels filled all the time 03:18:43 The audio processor runs independently from the main processor so it does not take cycles away from the main processor, because it has its own memory too. 03:18:43 zzo38 : that would be hard too since you have to mix all the channels in less than 1 sample every time 03:20:31 They have been able to do it in PC, which has only one channel and a slower clock rate. 03:20:53 (And this is together with graphics.) 03:21:12 My own design it is independent from graphics so it can clearly do more stuff. 03:22:47 on PC they have a DMA channel 03:23:48 like you can compute a whole 256 sample block, send it to the card and do all sorts of other stuff while the sound card slowly goes through it 03:24:01 No I mean on the original PC that had only PIT for sound 03:24:08 and you even get an interrupt to refill it when half the block is done 03:24:15 zzo38 : yes and it sucked 03:27:45 I know it isn't very good that is why I did mine more better 03:29:37 Did you find any mistake in the display program I wrote for imitating a PC text screen? 03:29:50 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:38:38 And what think you think about the other stuff I wrote about keyboard, game control, and operating system? 03:39:08 didn't read too much about those 03:49:46 Now you can read it 04:07:30 hmm 04:07:43 I'd concentrate on the parts you can implement on an fpga first 04:16:13 That is one way, although many of the things I had written about are separate from what would be done by FPGA 04:18:26 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 04:34:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:36:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:41:51 -!- atehwa has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:43:27 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:53:25 -!- atehwa has joined. 05:04:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:13:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:24:53 The Lewis Chessmen make me sad 05:32:44 Why is that? 05:38:40 zzo38: Wikipedia should make it clear 05:39:01 RGB chess: A game of chess with > 16kk sides 05:48:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:51:10 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:51:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:51:50 In 0-chess, white automatically wins 05:52:30 In n-chess, you play normal chess, but upon capture, a game of [n-1]-chess is played to calculate success. White is the attacking piece, black is the defending piece. 05:52:43 BOOM. 05:56:08 zzo38 has invented many Chess variants. 05:58:37 shachaf: Mine requires you to play chess to play chess. I think I win. 05:58:51 shachaf: Also, there are infinitely many of them 06:02:31 shachaf: My god... omega-chess 06:03:46 Omega is an ordinal, but Chess has bishops, so cardinals seem more appropriate. 06:07:37 shachaf: Fair point 06:42:23 -!- jaboja has joined. 07:08:05 hppavilion[1]: what value of n should be the "default" initial match? 07:11:28 hppavilion[1]: how about MWI-chess: when a capture is made, a new game with identical pre-move state is spun off in which the capture never happened and the capturing player loses a turn. all spun-off games must be played simultaneously, though each forked game adds to the game clock half the length of time that was added for its parent 07:12:30 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:12:45 the winner is the player that won the majority of games by the time all games are completed or one player's time expires. (said player obviously loses all unfinished games if time expires) 07:13:03 analog paper chess... the pieces are lines on a sheet of paper... movement is prolongating the lines... capture is crossing the other player's line 07:13:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:13:35 can the lines be rotated? 07:14:27 like...this doesnt really sound like chess 07:14:59 unless pieces still move like pieces and the "lines" are their loci of past movements 07:25:13 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:58:24 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:14:12 -!- MDream has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:15:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:25:43 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:30:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:40:43 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:49:59 -!- bender has joined. 10:09:26 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 10:12:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 10:13:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:17:15 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:18:28 -!- gamemanj has joined. 10:33:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:24:09 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:27:01 -!- tromp_ has joined. 11:31:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:37:12 -!- centrinia has joined. 12:26:46 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:28:11 9600, 8N1. 12:28:29 is that a serial port configuration? 12:28:40 What else could it possibly be? 12:28:50 (I'm just using the channel as a convenient note pad.) 12:29:31 fizzie: if you're going to prune rare words from models, why leave placeholders, instead of removing the nodes entirely? 12:29:56 or, better, work out the *type* of word and substitute it for a random word that sort-of-fits. 12:31:07 Like for example: The megalomaniac with his butler tried to take over the world, becomes: The dynamic with his apple tried to make over the rabbit. 12:31:17 I am, I'm just using a set of one type as the list of types I handle. 12:31:25 ... 12:31:40 * gamemanj gets out his pocket dictionary and adds an "adj." meaning to "fnord" 12:31:41 ok 12:31:57 More realistically, that'd be a lot of effort. 12:33:31 who needs realism? :) 12:33:32 ohi ais 12:34:05 anyway, it probably would be quite a bit of work to identify the word being removed... 12:34:54 but then it's just a matter of picking a word from a list. 12:35:08 Or is this logic implemented in the Befunge layer? 12:35:11 Yes. 12:35:20 The synthesis part, that is. Not the model building. 12:35:42 As in, where do rare words get pruned? 12:35:43 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:37:06 *That's* during model building, of course. But even something as simple as "have models contain a set of tokens that can be replaced by a word randomly selected from a model-specific list" -- which would happen at synthesis time -- isn't all that trivial to implement in Befunge. Especially if you'd need to edit existing code to do it. 12:37:18 The babbling is lines 125-161 of https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 12:37:19 fizzie: yes. just like yo fnord agua is another way to do that 12:39:00 Well, why not choose the random words during model building? 12:39:42 It's all random anyway, so I doubt anyone would notice. 12:39:49 Oh. I guess. But then it's always the same word. 12:39:59 People do notice patterns in some of the smaller-corpus models. 12:40:01 ^style ct 12:40:02 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 12:40:09 fungot: Can that sword alone stop it? 12:40:09 fizzie: as long as you keep crono in your heart, the day of lavos"... go to " leene square" 1000 a.d.? yes, i'd have done something very brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope. 12:40:09 fungot 12:40:09 gamemanj: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! 12:40:34 "magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope." keeps being repeated a lot. 12:41:16 True, but on smaller corpus models you might not want to remove rare words. 12:41:32 Well, that's true. I haven't done it for those. 12:42:00 So on smaller corpus models you aren't removing words anyway, and on larger corpus models the space is big enough that it wouldn't be as noticable. 12:42:25 I'll keep that in mind if I ever can bother to retrain the irc style. 12:42:59 * gamemanj wonders how long the IRC style took in CPU time, given the history of #esoteric 12:43:32 `quote elf corpses 12:43:34 111) ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive. 12:45:00 I think a larger fraction of it is ##scheme. 12:45:55 ...elf corpses? 12:45:59 ^style nethack 12:45:59 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 12:46:07 ...does this have anything to do with NH4? 12:46:09 fungot: Your quote-file quotes are so good, why can't you be brilliant like that all the time? 12:46:10 fizzie: nalfeshnee: not only by birth but also by law", ector said facing arthur. the leprechaun's two great loves are tobacco and whiskey, and at the blasphemy. he was such a way that it becomes porous to inert material. 12:46:45 fungot: I didn't know that about leprechauns. 12:46:45 fizzie: issek: now issek of the weaker forms of demon. it is ready to be a sasquatch inn near the town level of the wizard and his fellow titans were ousted from mount olympus. ( the jungle still. 12:55:15 `quote stop programming 12:55:17 1164) boily: i'll probably stop programming the day i will hit the end of the program. 12:55:59 `quote serious proportions 12:56:02 1181) kmc: madam president, i have taken on serious proportions. 12:57:16 ^style europarl 12:57:16 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 12:57:33 fungot: What is your stance on the upcoming UK referendum on Brexit? 12:57:35 fizzie: the gradual and controlled implementation of the budget, but i do miss one aspect, namely communication with the public and the slovak government. criticism is clearly not a democratic country. this therefore means that we can create a job with a smaller management or perhaps with a view to guaranteeing and expressing the higher interest and security of payments requires products to be tested, we must take account of th 12:58:03 fungot: But are you for or against it? 12:58:05 fizzie: madam president, commissioner, i hope that we can begin programming and implementing aid, that we are only recommending the level of employment in some of the problems we are now ready to establish technical requirements, specifically amendments nos 9 and 10. they all aim to exclude certain sectors from their advantages, consumer protection and especially its rapporteur, mrs marinucci, have done, then i am quite aware t 12:58:20 Typical politician, never says anything straight. 12:59:15 :) 13:01:40 Why say things people can understand... 13:01:46 when you can say things people can't understand? 13:02:07 And get money for doing so? 13:07:48 Ha! It was 9600 8N1. 13:08:24 (Proper settings for getting a serial console out of a SparcStation 5.) 13:09:27 http://sprunge.us/gMNa doesn't look too good, though. 13:11:00 <3 sparcstations 13:11:14 have ss4, ss5, sparcserver5, ss10, ss20 13:11:33 with reversed gender serial connectors 13:12:15 Yeah, I had to get a gender changer to get at the serial console. 13:12:33 we have tons of db25->rj45 converters 13:12:47 I'm sure this'll make lovely out of context reading. 13:12:58 with them, we can use those with blue cisco cables 13:13:10 and also we have tons of 13w3 sun crts 13:13:23 and 13w3 cables, 13w3->dsub15 adaptors 13:13:26 I have a 13w3-to-4xBNC monitor cable that I used to use, but no monitors that'd take those in, since I got rid of the CRT that did. 13:13:32 we either 13:13:39 4xbnc thing rules! 13:13:59 we also have bnc crts 13:14:01 where did you *get* all of those? 13:14:39 in Hungary, everywhere. We have a huge collection of ibm pc, 286, 186, 386, 486, risc, vax, ppc, sparc, ultrasparc, alpha etc vintage hardware 13:14:49 parts counted 13:14:54 cca 20-25 cubicmeters 13:14:59 tweaking travis configurations is so annoying. 13:15:12 I also have this SGI Indy with its associated 13w3 CRT monitor, but it doesn't want to play along with the SS5. 13:15:14 tweak... push... build... look at error... repeat 13:15:39 fizzie: lamma, 13w3 connectors can cause damage with inappropriate device 13:15:48 there are at least 4 13w3 pinout standards 13:15:50 I'm trying to get rid of all this stuff, that's why I'm trying to get it to boot, so I could properly wipe the drives. (Got nothing else that speaks SCSI.) 13:15:54 sgi, apple, sun, next, ibm 13:16:32 that doesn't sound like standards 13:16:41 in fact, that sounds like not-standards 13:16:48 okay gooby, lets modify: "standarses" 13:17:38 well, become ontopic 13:17:58 i am goint to publish proofs of turing-completeness of some ancient languages, shell envs 13:18:11 not necessarily unixish shells 13:18:32 we organize coding golf tournaments at our employer 13:18:51 and at the prizegiving ceremony, a presentation will be performed 13:19:06 and selected results will be provided. for example: here 13:35:51 -!- boily has joined. 13:39:24 @massages-loud. 13:39:24 You don't have any messages 13:40:09 @messages-baud 13:40:09 You don't have any messages 13:40:17 @messages-baud 9600 13:40:17 You don't have any messages 13:42:25 gamellomanj! 13:43:26 helloily! 13:48:42 -!- ybden has joined. 13:55:37 -!- Akaibu has joined. 13:57:28 `relcome Akaibu 13:57:42 ​Akaibu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 13:59:12 Whoooooah 13:59:15 Colooooouuuuurs! 13:59:16 Rules 13:59:28 * APic grins maniacally. 14:02:41 HELLOPic! 14:02:57 @localtime APic 14:02:58 Local time for APic is Sat May 21 15:02:57 2016 14:03:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:03:47 Yo yo yo 14:04:07 Finally arrived in one of the good Realtimes. ;))) 14:04:17 finally, build passed. 14:04:41 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:05:11 Yah 14:06:19 int-ello. you built APic? 14:06:32 Yah 14:06:36 Myself 14:06:38 And my Room 14:06:39 ;) 14:06:40 Finally 14:06:42 APic: where you at now? how many liters of coffee in your bloodstream? 14:06:47 no, travis built the git version of lambdabot for two ghc versions (7.8.4 and 7.10.3). 14:06:54 Munich Obergiesing Bahnhof, none at all. 14:06:57 int-e: nice! 14:06:59 * APic hates Coffee 14:07:05 *GASP*! 14:07:06 Bad Experiences with that one. 14:07:12 *g* 14:07:15 after way too many failures 14:07:39 * boily mapoles APic for his penitence 14:07:55 the last one was not putting happy on the path when I switched to getting it from hvr's repository... 14:08:03 Penis? 14:08:13 No definitions found for "mapole", perhaps you mean: 14:08:13 gcide: Maple Maypole 14:08:13 wn: maple maypole 14:08:13 foldoc: maple 14:08:16 Gah, the Sparc netboot thing is annoying. It sends a RARP query, then tries to fetch the image from whatever server responds over TFTP using the path /[ip in hex].[architecture]. 14:08:20 `? mapole 14:08:22 A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. 14:10:00 Ok 14:10:01 Thanks 14:10:08 Canada rocks 14:10:12 Had a Great-Aunt there 14:10:17 She passed away a few Years ago. 14:12:03 fizzie: fizziello. you work on a sparc? 14:13:21 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 14:13:35 Ok 14:13:40 * APic on a Biketrip 14:13:45 Will meet my two best Friends. 14:13:46 cul8r 14:13:47 B-) 14:14:38 biking is fun! 14:15:11 * boily likes biking in the middle of the night, when it's all quiet and the weather's just right 14:19:27 boily: I'm trying to clean up the disks on a Sparc so that I could get rid of it, and while it does boot from the disks, I have no idea what sort of passwords it might accept (been a while), so I need to boot it from *somewhere* to get at it. 14:19:46 The network seems like the only feasible choice, since I don't have anything else to stick the disks to. 14:21:20 Although I'm not sure what I should have it boot from the network. I have OpenBSD on it, but the OpenBSD installation diskless boot involves setting up the installation root fs to be served over NFS, and that's even more of a hassle. 14:22:41 I wouldn't mind easier ideas. Something I could do from the OpenPROM boot prompt would be great. 14:23:59 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:24:33 (But I don't think that thing really has any filesystem drivers.) 14:29:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:37:51 Also, re biking: best biking is the one from Assembly to home. It's usually around 3-4am-ish, Assembly is in August which means it's warm (but not too) and light out, and for some reason there's always a bunch of rabbits on the way. 14:38:25 "This system has relatively little free memory, so it will enter low memory mode. Among other things, this means that this program will proceed in English. You should set up swap space as soon as possible." 14:38:35 Man, 32 megs just doesn't go as far as it used to. 14:41:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:42:00 that can be applied to just about any unit of memory 14:42:06 64k doesn't go as far as it used to 14:42:56 It's like as if the OS expands to take up anything available 14:43:41 And then the programs finish the rest 14:43:41 I booted the debian etch installer (at least it's got an initrd attached), but I don't know how to provide boot parameters, so it booted to the menu-based installer, which keeps asking all kinds of irrelevant questions. 14:44:03 does your keyboard have ctrl and alt? 14:44:14 (and do you have virtual terminals?) 14:44:17 It's a serial console. 14:44:22 ...yeah, you're doomed 14:44:35 * gamemanj gives fizzie a packed lunch 14:44:41 here, you'll need it for the labyrinth 14:44:52 It also takes a second or two to move from one screen to another, because it prints a screenful of spaces at 9600 bps. 14:45:11 I'm sure I'll reach the menu eventually, but the expert mode would've made this a lot nicer. 14:45:51 at least it's only a second or two 14:46:59 Yeah, after failing to download anything I got the "go back" option, which went to the menu and let me start a shell. 14:47:51 ...of course there are no disk devices... 14:48:01 I guess that part of the installer comes later. 14:49:02 Yeah, it'll want to download *that* from the network. Bah. 14:49:33 well, I do have some good news - I just got word from the labyrinth guards, the minotaur's busy dealing with an author who wrote fanfic of Greek Mythology, so you'll be ok. 14:50:10 just don't lose the thread 14:50:26 -!- feliks has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:52:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:54:55 I gave it some networks, and it downloaded *something*. Now I'll need to manage to break out back to the menu at some point somehow. 14:55:54 well, if you type "exit", you'll probably either find yourself in the menu or find yourself in a meta-labyrinth. Have fun! 14:57:46 There's no place to type anything anywhere, it's all just selecting choices. 14:58:28 ...so you're already in a menu? 14:58:32 It boots into a menu. 14:58:51 yes, but you said you started a shell... 14:59:01 Yes, but I had to go back to the menu to get anything done. 14:59:12 It didn't have any block devices except the ramdisk. 14:59:18 So which menu do you want to break out to? 14:59:51 Well, I mean. I went back to the Debian installer menu, to follow along a few more steps (download installer components from the network). 15:00:01 . o O ( The S-hell... a text adventure by #esoteric. ) 15:00:13 Now I'm at the "Detecting disks and all other hardware" step, which I'd rather like to pass. 15:00:16 int-e: I started work on an esolang-based text adventure years ago 15:00:25 But after that a shell would be nice. 15:00:39 As a positive sign, the external HD box is booting up the drives, so I think it indeed is enumerating drives. 15:01:11 int-e: I didn't get very far; it has one brainfuck-based puzzle, one SMETANA-based puzzle, and one INTERCAL-based puzzle 15:01:15 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:01:20 but none of them do anything when you complete them because I didn't write any more 15:01:25 (and all three are accessible from the start) 15:01:47 "If there are no problems, the user will never see the installer menu, but will simply answer questions for each component in turn." 15:01:53 That's nice, but I'd like the menu. 15:02:20 "[If you're installing over a serial console], there is also an Execute a Shell item on the main menu that can be used to start a shell." 15:02:28 That's nice as well, but you just said I won't see the menu. 15:02:35 There's probably a trick to it. 15:03:15 "Power users may be more comfortable with a menu-driven interface, where each step is controlled by the user rather than the installer performing each step automatically in sequence. To use the installer in a manual, menu-driven way, add the boot argument priority=medium." 15:03:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:03:35 That's a nice trick, but I don't know how to specify boot arguments when doing the netboot thing. 15:04:14 It's a bit of a moot point, anyway, in that it seems to have gotten stuck at 2% of the "Detecting disks and other hardware" pass. 15:04:34 It's "oading [sic] module 'esp' for 'ESP SCSI'..." 15:04:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:05:21 goading? 15:05:24 maybe the installer should just accept ^C... 15:05:35 that would make things simpler 15:06:11 (And why on earth would "priority=medium" have anything to do with how the installer acts?) 15:06:13 Possibly it ran out of memory and killed something. There was a lot of components it was loading. 15:06:49 They did caution me to enable some swap "as soon as possible", but that's a bit hard before loading the SCSI drivers. 15:07:01 Maybe I need an older Debian. 15:07:24 I mean, etch is what, 2007? That's pretty modern. 15:07:57 At least you know the module name now. 15:09:08 haha. "Puppy Linux is designed to be extremely lightweight. When installed to a USB flash drive, it consumes only 100 MB of space — 256 MB if you want the version with a full OpenOffice office suite instead of more lightweight office applications. Puppy Linux is loaded to your computer’s RAM [...]" 15:09:32 "100 MB" is lightweight these days? 15:10:16 well, "old computers" have 1 GB of RAM these days. 15:10:29 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:11:46 If they were really trying to be minimal, they'd just use text mode... 15:11:59 -!- diginet has joined. 15:12:06 (old laptops may go as low as 512 MB I suppose) 15:12:16 IMO 1.44MB should be the standard for incredibly minimal OSes 15:13:29 "From starting the installation to booting our new Linux system, only 30 minutes had passed - very impressive" 15:13:44 * gamemanj sighs 15:13:45 Nobody wants to tell me how to specify kernel boot command line to this thing. 15:14:02 (source: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/archives-best-distros-2000 ) 15:14:12 Except this one page which says you use a "bootparamd" server to do it. 15:14:17 ...seriously? 15:14:24 http://znark.com/tech/netbootsparc.html 15:15:09 But I don't know if that's just for Solaris boot params, I *assume* it's up to the boot loader (the thing you load over TFTP) to do that part. 15:16:21 Huh. 15:16:33 "If you were booting from the network, you would append the string onto the end of the boot net command in OBP --" can it really be that easy? 15:16:38 Have to try, I guess. 15:17:06 -!- feliks has joined. 15:18:40 ok boot net debconf/priority=medium DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text 15:18:41 Boot device: /iommu/sbus/ledma@5,8400010/le@5,8c00000 File and args: debconf/priority=medium DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text 15:18:46 Huh, would you look at that. 15:19:17 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:20:05 "tettinegc huop[ f7i]l:e sUynsitmepml,e mpelnetaesde SwPaAiRtC .s.y.s em call 188" 15:20:10 Nice interleaved output there. 15:20:31 fungot: can you decipher that? 15:20:31 boily: mr president, i hope, ladies and gentlemen, finally the summit concluded with a result that clearly improves on the proposals we made back in 1989. associated with this, i believe that the best way of undertaking such work. 15:21:02 "Cannot load frontend module /usr/lib/cdebconf/frontend/text.so" I think the installer manual lied to me about existing frontends. 15:21:33 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:22:36 -!- heroux has joined. 15:23:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:23:45 fungot: I don't think fizzie's sparc is quite that old. 15:23:45 int-e: mr president, the election of the new millennium have been marked by a whole series of provisions which are obviously aberrations in this case we really did make a very clear message to the rest of the year, so that we can accept in principle amendments nos 34 and 43, which are our own and genuinely try to achieve a balanced text, which has just been murdered in pristina. 15:28:43 (the year should be 1994 or later for a sparcstation 5) 15:29:31 int-e: Hard to say, the IDPROM "date of manufacture" field had turned into all-bits-10101010 just like everything else in it. 15:29:53 useful 15:30:17 I'm going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation#.22Pizzabox.22_systems 15:30:29 I think that's technically Tue Aug 19 21:50:34 UTC 1924 but that's a bit dubious. 15:31:05 -!- ais523 has quit. 15:31:09 0xAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! 15:31:13 Bah. The Sarge installer fails to download any files. 15:31:28 (I think it's screaming at you in hexadecimal) 15:32:37 ok .idprom 15:32:41 Format/Type: aa aa Ethernet: aa aa aa aa aa aa Date: aa aa aa aa 15:32:45 Serial: aa aa aa Checksum: aa Reserved: aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa aa 15:32:48 That got a bit of extra spaces, I think. 15:35:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:57:47 -!- dmberez has joined. 15:57:50 hi 15:57:52 all 15:58:27 is anybody alive? 15:58:38 can someone advice info about kundalini yoga? 16:00:26 `welcome dmberez 16:00:29 dmberez: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:00:35 ^ I think you might be looking for one of those other channels. 16:00:52 thanks 16:02:34 -!- dmberez has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:03:23 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 16:04:32 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:12:32 Is there a channel for programming language design and theory? 16:29:09 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 17:14:31 Progress: by turning off the external SCSI drive enclosure, and starting a shell *before* the "detect disks" step, I managed to -- by manually loading scsi_mod, esp and scsi_sd -- read bytes off the internal disk. Now I just need to figure out the external enclosure. 17:17:12 -!- xkapastel has joined. 17:32:14 -!- boily has quit (Quit: REMOVABLE CHICKEN). 18:03:50 hey, news from my CaC server: "ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block" 18:10:43 The one HackEgo is on seems to have been booted. 18:11:01 Oh, that means the wiki bridge is down. 18:11:36 oh well, let's see whether a new VM does the trick :P 18:12:23 The only slightly suspicious message on there so far is [ 2591.369655] hrtimer: interrupt took 49110777 ns 18:14:16 http://sprunge.us/YOIK is what I had. 18:14:40 (I did not save any complete log. I'm still regarding the whole thing as a toy.) 18:23:21 it's funny that they set up /etc/apt/sources.list to fetch debian stable, but security updates for wheezy? 18:23:27 hmm. no, squeeze. 18:24:13 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 18:25:37 Huh. There's insmod, but no rmmod. 18:26:00 welcome to kernel california 18:26:08 Heh. 18:26:16 hah 18:26:24 But there's no sys... hey, there is a sysfs. 18:26:33 Then I can maybe do the normal SCSI bus rescan. 18:26:55 well, rmmod is tricky... :) 18:27:03 you need to release resources etc. 18:27:51 echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan 18:27:53 Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! 18:28:01 That's not maybe so good. 18:28:41 shachaf: we are all prisoners here of our own /dev 18:29:11 Wonder what exactly happened, it worked fine (based on command-line messages) when OpenBSD was driving it. 18:30:28 `uname -a 18:30:32 Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux 18:37:00 <\oren\> Are there any examples where a programming language is simply a spelling reform of a previous one? 18:37:42 J and APL hth 18:37:51 \oren\: I wouldn't know, although I have seen similar things before 18:37:54 <\oren\> I was thinking, what if I made a new language that is simply APL but --- 18:37:58 <\oren\> uh.... 18:38:00 <\oren\> oh 18:38:03 (J is not quite APL actually, I think?) 18:38:33 C-INTERCAL can accept English and Latin keywords, originally it was English 18:38:42 <\oren\> damn it every time I come up with an awesome idea it's already been done 18:39:51 I think it is call "Bob Profit Principle" is what I have heard it call when, if you think of something, probably someone else has already done too. 18:40:28 one day, your awesome ideas will get their comeuppance 18:41:05 zzo38: The only Google search results for that phrase are IRC logs of you talking about it. 18:41:14 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:41:19 Well, do you like some of my ideas? (I have had many kind of ideas too (but so has other people of course); some may be bad but some is good thing too, I think) 18:41:32 (And in some cases time must tell if it is good or not) 18:41:58 shachaf: You cannot find everything on Google 18:42:18 fizzie: blasphemer alert hth 18:42:40 some of the incompatibility between msvc and gcc is basically spelling stuff 18:42:42 zzo38: I think some of your ideas are completely new. 18:43:30 Yes, probably some are, at least. 18:43:54 mad: Yes, although you can use #define and #ifdef and #include in a C code. 18:44:28 and it sucks but yeah 18:44:42 there's also the 64bit 'long' debacle 18:45:02 zzo38: Why is it called that? 18:45:13 once upon a time they had long 18:45:19 but they didn't think long was long enough 18:45:22 so they had long long 18:45:25 and long long long 18:45:27 zzo38: Is it some sort of market efficiency thing? 18:45:34 shachaf: Do you mean Bob Profit Principle? I think it is someone's name. 18:45:44 and long long long long long long long long 18:45:54 and long uint512_t, and... 18:45:56 Someone is named Bob Profit? 18:46:07 Yes, I think "Profit" is his name. 18:46:25 zzo38: are you sure this isn't a spam email 18:46:40 it's down to the fact that win32 used to be, well, win16 18:46:57 It isn't an email message 18:47:17 which means int was 16 bits when they came up with a lot of win32 interfaces, so they used long for 32 bits 18:47:47 mad: is this why Windows API writers have a love affair with calling 32 bits a DWORD 18:47:57 yes 18:48:17 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:48:26 well, it's like how every library has its 18:48:35 GLUINT32 GLINT16 etc 18:48:37 for life 18:48:51 like, this was way before stdint.h 18:49:00 I thought it is called DWORD in the x86 instruction set? 18:49:27 yes dword is the traditional name for 32bit integers in the x86 world 18:49:43 especially the assembler guys 18:49:53 zzo38: well, the assemblers call it that - the assembly is descended from realmode assembly, which ofc had 16-bit as WORD... 18:50:06 gcc has a different evolutionary path 18:50:52 it comes from like unix servers and SPARC workstations and stuff like that, so it was more or less always 32 bits 18:51:00 so it uses int 18:51:31 SQLite has its own 64-bit type, but it doesn't have its own types for 32-bits and 16-bits (for 32-bits it just uses int, for a pointer to a string of 16-bit characters it uses void*) 18:52:07 TBH, I think mixed mode architectures only really exist because of 1. "compact instructions" (for ARM Thumb), and 2. proprietary software (because otherwise they could just introduce a new mode and have everybody recompile) 18:52:26 so it could upgrade long to 64 bits without breaking a metric ton worth of grody windows.h win-16 inherited interfaces 18:53:24 gamemanj : it's just the fate of long-living architectures 18:53:26 gamemanj: But some programs may be written in assembly language, so it can apply even to free software in some cases. 18:53:47 it's 16 bits and eventually it gets bumped up to 32 bits, and then to 64 bits 18:53:52 <\oren\> like ZSNES 18:54:10 <\oren\> I remeber looking at the source for that and being like NOPE 18:54:24 did zsnes ever even run in real mode? 18:54:26 (But also in some cases you can easily emulate older instruction sets) 18:54:31 I'm pretty sure it was always 32bits 18:54:50 mad: that's not the point, it's the fact it won't be going anywhere anytime soon in terms of porting 18:54:55 <\oren\> right but how much work would it take to change it to 64 bit? 18:54:59 The original 8088 instruction set look OK to me but they made an extreme mess of the new one. 18:55:18 \oren\ : why would you port zsnes to 64 bit? 18:55:36 it's not like it addresses more than 4gb of data 18:55:44 <\oren\> mad: uh... i guess you woldn't do that 18:56:17 <\oren\> but if x86-64 hadn't been backward compatible you would have to 18:56:28 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:56:39 maybe you'd port it for more registers and rip-relative addressing, or e.g. because it's easier to make a native 64-bit package than to rely on multilib and 32-bit compat 18:57:05 \oren\ : if x86-64 wasn't backwards compatible then it wouldn't be x86 18:57:27 [wiki] [[Deadfish 2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47056 * M654 * (+987) Created page with "Deadfish 2 is a superset of [[Deadfish]] made by [[User:M654|m654]]. As well as an accumulator, Deadfish 2 has a string which can be set using the input command. == Commands..." 18:57:33 and I guess it would be kinda silly too since you could come up with a cleaner architecture if you're starting anew 18:58:11 they actually tried that, but what they came up with was Itanium :P 18:58:24 itanium was worse than x86 18:59:45 intel tried to start new architectures that could potentially replace x86 4 times... and only one of them was actually better than x86 (i960) 19:00:17 Other instruction set, invented by Knuth, is MMIX 19:00:49 MMIX has the advantage of being 100% patent free. 19:01:40 mmix has the disadvantage of not actually being a serious instruction set 19:02:07 if itanium was just a MIPS ripoff like what everybody else did, it wouldn't have shipped late, and it wouldn't have been slower than pa-risc2 and pentium3 and athlon, and even if the first generation of chips sucked they could've actually improved them much more easily 19:03:44 but they tried to be smart 19:04:39 i still love how x86 chips these days are RISC running dynamically translated bytecode 19:05:10 Phantom_Hoover : it depends on what you call 'RISC' 19:05:40 Phantom_Hoover: Yes and that is stupid in my opinion 19:06:00 no it's not stupid, imho that's why they have the fastest CPUs 19:06:04 zzo38, can't really see any other way for things to work out 19:06:09 imho the real frontier is that CISC has load+compute operations 19:06:21 which x86 has but none of the RISCs do 19:06:44 recent x86 designs benefit from this 19:06:57 you get 2 operations for the price of 1 19:07:21 that's how the athlon was the same speed as the 4-way-ooo Dec Alpha 19:07:41 even though the dec alpha was 4 IPC and then athlon was 3 IPC 19:08:28 plus the athlon only had 8 logical registers instead of 32 and it didn't have opcodes with different destination than source 19:09:07 the advantage of having a free memory load (and potentially even a store) in every opcode offsets these disadvantages 19:09:41 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to AmyBSD. 19:09:50 plus the overly compact encoding means you get more code cache for the same data size 19:10:06 -!- AmyBSD has changed nick to Elronnd. 19:10:20 of course the overly compact encoding means it can only do 3 instructions per cycle instead of 4 :D 19:10:52 so I wouldn't call x86 chips RISC 19:11:02 they're basically really fast CISC 19:11:36 of course they rename all registers and break down everything into microcodes... well, really fast RISCs do that too 19:12:03 my understanding was that the uops are pretty risc-like 19:12:55 sortof... I think core2 has 2-in-1 uops 19:13:25 so a load+compute op decodes to "1 uop made out of 2 parts" 19:14:09 but uops have renamed registers and stuff like that 19:14:27 they're only risc-like because they do 1 thing in 1 cycle... but that's what an uop is 19:15:24 like, I guess what risc means is that you remove as many multi-uop opcodes as possible 19:15:40 because most aren't really worth the trouble 19:15:54 although ARM has multi-uop opcodes 19:16:41 so once you're down to uops, then everything is sorta risc-like yes... but that's normal, uops are like that 19:17:32 so what's the advantage of having a 'free' memory load in an instruction? 19:17:47 code size? 19:19:03 well 19:19:15 it takes 1 less instruction to get your result 19:19:45 so for instance, to match the speed of the 4-op per cycle core2, you'd need a 5 or 6 op per cycle risc 19:20:01 it lowers the number of register file accesses 19:20:49 add r0, [r8 + 16] reads 2 times and writes 1 time; 19:21:13 load r1, [r8 + 16] add r0, r1 reads 4 times and writes 2 times 19:21:29 so you need a larger register file with more ports 19:21:47 and yes it tends to take up less space in the instruction cache 19:22:01 might you not end up getting the same microcode for both of those, though 19:22:28 I suggest we all switch to DCPU-16! 19:22:40 well, you can do the CISC version in 1 micro-op 19:23:00 Does anyone make a 83-key Model F keyboard anymore? 19:23:05 i suggest we all switch to whatever the fuck skullcode runs so i get some closure on the damn thing 19:23:17 the RISC version is 2 micro-ops no matter how you do it 19:23:26 <\oren\> ✊✋✌➊➋➌➍➎➏➐➑➒➓⍻⍼⍽⍾⍿⏴⏵⏶⏷⏸⏹⏺ꝨꝩꝪꝫꝬꝭꝮꝯꝰꝱꝲꝳꝴꝵꝶꝷꝸꝹꝺꝻꝼꙊꙋꙌꙍꙎꙏꙐꙑꙒꙓꙔꙕꙖꙗꙘꙙꙚꙛꙜꙝꙨꙩꙪꙫꙬꙭ〝〞〟〠19:23:31 because you have to write to the register file twice 19:23:33 thx \oren\ 19:23:59 mad, i guess my thinking was, wouldn't the CISC version have to load the memory into some intermediate place on the chip regardless 19:24:19 yes but this intermediate place on the chip can be in the middle of the pipeline 19:24:26 To me, a lot of the complicated stuff in newer instruction sets is very stupid, I think. So I must design it differently 19:24:29 it never has to rename this internmediate place 19:24:42 and it never has to retire/writeback that intermediate place 19:24:55 once it's done the result can disappear 19:25:29 right, it doesn't have to resolve all the abstractions between instructions 19:25:38 yeah 19:25:40 @tell mroman the Burlesque shell is moving to http://64.137.252.151/~burlesque/burlesque.cgi ... and I may need help building the cgi (currently trying...) 19:25:40 Consider it noted. 19:26:01 that's the difference between "temp value" and "temp value stored in a program-accessible register" 19:26:04 but i mean if you can do the load and add in one uop then why not have risc instructions for it? 19:26:15 well 19:26:27 but then it's CISC not RISC :P 19:26:31 a risc with load-add instructions is basically a cisc :D 19:26:51 then what the hell is the point of RISC 19:27:09 RISCs are easier to build 19:27:14 and easier to speed optimize 19:27:34 RISCs did 4-instructions per cycle way before x86 19:27:43 because you don't have to bother building hardware to e.g. load operands and store them behind the scenes 19:27:45 *? 19:27:58 and it's easier to do 4-instructions per cycles because you have less ops, less long latency ops 19:28:14 well 19:28:51 mostly it's easier because all your ops do at most 2 register file reads and 1 register file write and have at most 2 cycles of latency 19:29:14 so it makes the scheduling easier 19:29:35 also you don't have to cram as many operands in a single op 19:30:37 like, your load-store ops happen only in the load-store unit so it's easy to strictly-order them 19:30:40 My new kind of computer design has separate video instruction set, audio instruction set, and main instruction set, and have deliberately designed the video instruction set so that no instruction does both read and write (on 6502 some instructions do); other than instruction decoding there is only up to one memory operation per instruction (in some cases there is none, and it would do a dummy read instead). 19:31:11 instead of having ops that happen both in the load-store unit which has to be ordered, AND the alu part which is easy to completely reorder willy-nilly 19:32:35 in theory if you can find a way to get rid of the program-readable intermediate values in registers, you could do macro-op fusion on load+add instruction sequences and turn a RISC into a CISC 19:33:25 You could have some write-only registers maybe 19:35:20 that doesn't sound like it'd help 19:35:25 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 19:35:50 <\oren\> hmmm what if you had instructions of the form "load rA, add rB to rC" and "store rA, add rB to rC" 19:36:08 <\oren\> where rA, rB and rC are always different 19:36:11 the problem is that because the result might get read the CPU has to keep it around with certain assurances, whereas if it's only visible to the one instruction then it can be treated much less carefully 19:38:41 Maybe someone should just build a big memory pipeline and have a CPU which is just given flags to manipulate that pipeline. 19:40:40 <\oren\> I'm thinking about some sort of "explicit pipelining" where all instructions contain several actions which don't interfere inside 19:44:42 @tell mroman actually building the cgi seems to have worked fine (a cabal file would help though...) but you can't currently log in; please contact me about that... 19:44:43 Consider it noted. 19:49:36 <\oren\> iow, instead of having "add [r1] to r3, add [r2] to r4" and having that rearranged, you would write "read [r1], ???; read [r2], add mem to r3; ???, add mem to r4" 19:51:10 \oren\ : hmmmm 19:51:52 like basically have instructions in the execution sequence, and have a separate stream that tells the logical sequence? 19:56:03 I was thinking of going the reverse way 19:56:33 <\oren\> the idea would be that each instruction would contain a set of "mini-instructions" for each part of the cpu which are done in parallel 19:57:00 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:57:36 load accumulator, [rA + imm], add rb, store in rc; load accumulator [rD + imm], add rE, store in rF 19:58:01 \oren\ : that's vliw no? 20:00:52 <\oren\> so in a normal architecture an instruction minght contain microcode "a,b,c,d" and the next might contain "e,f,g,h" and then "i,j,k,l" and then the cpu does "a;be;cfi;dgj;...". my idea is that the instructions might instead just be "cfi" "dgj" 20:01:34 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:01:43 <\oren\> and then the parallelizability checking is offloaded to the compiler 20:03:13 why not "aei;bfj;cgk;dhl" ? 20:05:54 \oren\: I also thought of to do some kind of explicit pipelining and also explicit caching and so on 20:06:30 <\oren\> mad: i'm assuming that a,e, and i are all the same sort of thing 20:06:42 <\oren\> using the same part of the processor 20:06:48 Do you like the 83-key Model F keyboard? 20:06:50 oh 20:07:05 I think there's value in some way of specifying which instructions are serial and which ones are parallel, but I don't think there's been a really good way yet 20:09:41 best way yet is vliw but you need calculation-heavy programs and it's hard to adapt vliw programs to later generation cpus 20:09:41 -!- centrinia has joined. 20:09:49 Why not just build a unit which takes in the entire contents of the register file and an operation, and outputs the modified register file/ 20:09:53 which is why it's used in DSPs 20:09:56 if you specify too much in the instructions then it takes control from the CPU engineers 20:10:16 gamemanj : because then you need to run 32 operations in parallel? 20:10:27 which means you need 64 read ports from the register file 20:10:57 Depends on your definition of what "one operation" is. 20:11:51 why not just build a cpu where the only operand is RealWorld 20:12:37 gamemanj : also how do you place your data cache ? 20:13:43 Well, memory accesses wouldn't be doable in operations, rather, they'd be handled in the "segment" holding those. 20:14:28 Like, you write a segment which adds the current memory value to A, then adds 1 to the memory address, and if that address is at some limit, go to the next segment, else loop. 20:14:43 The memory access would be at the segment boundary. 20:16:12 -!- jakleen has joined. 20:20:40 <\oren\> ꙨꙩꙪꙫꙬꙭꙮ 20:20:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:21:12 <\oren\> hippavilion[1] 20:21:25 \oren\: *hppavellon[1] 20:21:35 \oren\: Or whatever boily usually says 20:21:56 quintopia: A normal chessmatch is 1-chess. You can play with arbitrary values, though. It's up to how masochistic the players are. 20:22:58 3-chess and up should only be played by computers 20:23:19 (I'm still investigating what 1.5-chess and such are) 20:24:05 are you talking about hyperdimensional chess or something? 20:25:18 -!- jakleen has left. 20:28:04 <\oren\> stꜽ fluffy 20:28:37 ok oren 20:28:40 i will stay fluffy 20:28:47 * gamemanj rolls about in a fluffy manner 20:28:54 (this makes no sense) 20:29:11 (If it has any meaning to you, hit yourself with a frying pan and try again.) 20:29:22 gamemanj: No 20:29:34 <\oren\> I actually have no idea what ꜲꜳꜴꜵꜶꜷꜸꜹꜺꜻꜼꜽ are for 20:29:45 gamemanj: In 0-chess, white wins automatically 20:30:13 hppavilion[1]: ... I don't get it. Is the number how many moves you get? 20:30:29 gamemanj: No, I'm about to unveil the godly part 20:30:31 How do you analyze "winning" or "losing" until the game at least reaches a check? 20:30:52 Or anyone's even lost a piece? 20:31:25 gamemanj: In n-chess, every time a piece is captured, the players initiate a game of (n-1)-chess, in which white is the attacking player and black the defending player. The winner's piece goes to the defending square, the loser's piece is captured by the winner. In the event of a draw, white is interpreted as winning (or maybe black). 20:31:42 gamemanj: tempi, positional strength, piece coordination, gut feeling? 20:31:50 ... 20:32:01 gamemanj: I'm reading chess reviews. I have no clue what all that means :P 20:32:35 gamemanj: It should not be played by mere mortals 20:32:39 `quote capture 20:32:42 679) * Phantom_Hoover moves 0.5 Phantom_Hoover into the Atlantic, and captures fizzie's upper body with 0.5 Phantom_Hoover. Glurk. 20:32:57 ... 20:33:07 We were talking about continuous chess. 20:33:11 "glurk" 20:33:18 ? 20:33:19 to date only one game has been played 20:33:27 gamemanj: it's hard to make articulate sounds with only half a body 20:33:31 and oklopol won because i let him talk me into changing the rules in his favour 20:33:33 gamemanj: Yes. 20:33:42 <\oren\> hmm, I suppose you could play 2-chess if you had a month to do it 20:33:43 also, the atlantic is involved. 20:33:45 gamemanj: To play n-chess, you must play chess. 20:33:51 what's 2-chess 20:34:01 Phantom_Hoover: n-chess where n=2 20:34:08 ... 20:34:15 very clever, now answer properly 20:34:21 hppavilion[1]: please stop making up vacuous terms. 20:34:23 <\oren\> so every capture involves a game of normal chess 20:34:26 Phantom_Hoover: No, that's literally the definition 20:34:29 Phantom_Hoover: Scroll up 20:34:34 Phantom_Hoover: I just explained it 20:34:36 what's n-chess 20:34:42 Phantom_Hoover: SCROLL UP 20:34:46 oh 20:35:06 right, right 20:35:10 hppavilion[1]: I think phantom_hoover assumed you were joking 20:35:16 gamemanj: I was not 20:35:20 <\oren\> it would take maybe a year or two to play a game of 3 chess 20:35:32 ... 20:35:36 no i saw him talking about it earlier and i assumed it would be buried in scrollback 20:35:57 \oren\: It's only meant to be played by million-person superminds, humans who have interfaced with a computer, and perfect beings woven of spacetime 20:36:09 And the Borg. 20:36:20 gamemanj: Those fall under (a) and (b) 20:36:50 Don't know, they keep getting outsmarted by a spaceship with a name that sounds like really bad software. 20:36:58 * hppavilion[1] wonders how long it is until n-chess proliferates and he hears about it somewhere else and feels smug 20:37:01 So (b). 20:37:25 (And definitely not (c)) 20:37:46 hppavilion[1], this is clearly the place to involve the surreals 20:37:59 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:38:06 Phantom_Hoover: Already done (kind of); someone on ##math invented limit ordinal chess based on n-chess 20:38:21 Phantom_Hoover: Though you could play traditional omega-chess if you can win a game of n-chess without capturing 20:38:28 Ok, new plan: kill everybody who knows about n-chess. 20:38:37 gamemanj: No. 20:38:38 This will prevent the demise of humanity via n-chess. 20:39:07 gamemanj: Sorry, but I've upgraded humanity to 2-humanity. Every time you kill someone, you must run a simulation of the entire universe to determine success 20:39:12 ... 20:39:17 Too easy. 20:39:24 ...... 20:39:28 :) 20:39:48 Which raises the question of how one "wins" the universe... 20:39:52 Sorry, but I upgraded plot-foiling 20:39:56 Every time you foil a plot 20:40:05 You must run a simulation of plot-foiling to determine success 20:40:10 Darn. 20:40:39 I upgraded upgrading. Every time you upgrade something, you must read every Yo Dawg meme on the internet. 20:40:40 And since I was the one who started it in the first place, the rules hadn't applied by the time I had started - they only apply afterward, 20:40:43 ... 20:40:44 WHAT 20:40:46 Nooooo 20:41:00 I upgraded verbs 20:41:01 gamemanj: I will accept your unconditional surrender. 20:41:03 every time you use a verb 20:41:15 you must read the oxford english dictionary out loud 20:41:18 in it's entirety 20:41:25 gamemanj: But only the verbs? 20:41:32 I think we should stop. 20:41:33 No, all of it 20:41:35 ok 20:41:38 we should 20:41:49 I think we annoyed the linguists 20:41:49 But I upgraded sto- no. 20:41:58 no you didn't 20:42:01 your rules apply to you too! 20:42:07 so you can't upgrade stopping 20:42:23 or... wait... 20:42:24 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The international hub of solidity matrices | Ingredients: Hydrogen, time | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 20:42:25 AAAAGG 20:42:35 (Recursion Error.) 20:43:17 ...does #esoteric contain any added sugar? 20:44:15 gamemanj: No, it all occured naturally 20:44:29 Fair enough 20:44:35 One could argue that no sugar is added, because the sugar-adding process is part of the natural course of the universe 20:44:46 I've upgraded quantum physics... 20:44:48 However, does it contain gluten? 20:46:32 * hppavilion[1] hereby releases n-chess under Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International, with the addendum that he gets bragging rights every time it is mentioned 20:46:55 I think it's a bit late for that 20:47:18 Wait, I don't want attribution 20:47:26 gamemanj: Not really 20:47:44 "not really"? 20:47:59 * gamemanj points at the massive clusters of gluten all over the surface of a random rock 20:48:09 gamemanj: Well, every time it is mentioned by someone I don't know 20:48:19 oh, that 20:48:52 gamemanj: 20:49:38 Wait, what? 20:50:07 gamemanj: -1-chess? 20:50:24 ... 20:50:28 I guess -n-chess is one where wins are negated 20:50:43 So getting checkmated makes you win 20:50:46 What about -0-chess? 20:50:52 gamemanj: Yeah, that's the problem 20:52:48 Are we agreed that an infinitesimal amount below 0 is below 0, but an infinitesimal chance is none at all? From that, we can then state that fractional values are measured by distance from 0 and reflect the chance the value will be flipped. 20:52:59 gamemanj: Sure 20:53:25 So 1-chess has a fractional of 0, and on distance-from-0 that's 0, so there is no chance the value will be flipped. 20:53:34 1.5-chess will result in all games actually having a random value. 20:53:36 Wait, I think -n-chess works if we flip who plays white in subgames 20:54:11 Maybe??? 20:54:16 gamemanj: I don't think that fractional n-chess should rely on probabilistic computing 20:54:21 I guess. 20:54:32 gamemanj: I don't think it matters when n>0, but when n=0 it makes everything work? Maybe? 20:54:35 It's just that this neatly rounds out the space of numbers. 20:54:38 gamemanj: There's also annihilation chess 20:54:46 I give up. 20:54:48 gamemanj: But you need to add new pieces 20:55:02 (So that it's balanced) 20:55:35 When a piece captures another piece, the lesser-powered piece is destroyed and the greater-powered piece downgraded by the number of ranks in the lesser-powered piece 20:55:39 Ranks directly correspond to power 20:58:25 I wonder if you could make a version of the turing infinite tape in different board games 20:58:36 to make them turing complete 20:58:57 or some kind of expandable rubik's cube 20:59:17 an infinitely wide chess board 20:59:26 with an infinite number of pawns... 21:00:02 with the pieces following rules that are both a TC-CA and accurate to the game rules... 21:01:09 There'd have to be an order of operations of course... 21:01:32 with the right consrtuction you can make an infinite chessboard that expands infinitely rightwards and downwards into a sort of grid 21:01:51 but the left side and top side acts as a kind of border 21:02:03 I'd go with top side and bottom side. 21:02:03 If I made up the new kind of computer, would you buy it and/or build a clone of it and/or write a program for it and/or sell it? 21:02:11 Use king & queen to work out direction... 21:02:24 and then do turing complete calculation by moving a king and constantly keeping the king in check 21:02:39 forcing it on a path 21:02:50 zzo38: depends what. If your computer has > 16 MiB of RAM, I might write a BytePusher emulator... 21:03:14 mad: Ah, I see. 21:03:31 mad: So the players would actually be precisely following Chess rules and would have no room for disambiguation. 21:03:39 yes 21:03:52 gamemanj: I have decided it would certainly have enough address space, although I don't know how much RAM would be included by default (but you could add more) 21:04:12 like white would be 1 move from being checkmated 21:04:31 mad: I know how you could get two kings to continually advance right-wards. Have two endless rows of castles, one at the top, one at the bottom. 21:04:34 and the only way for white to survive is to keep black in perpetual check 21:05:20 Well, with my system, the players would swap turns going forward. 21:05:22 so if the program doesn't halt then white can force a draw 21:05:23 mad, infinite chess is known-incomputable 21:06:09 if the program halts then either white can win, or white always loses (depending on how the halting end of the board is constructed) 21:06:18 you just construct an infinite tree such that there's an infinite branch iff some turing machine halts 21:07:06 Phantom_Hoover : hm yeah I guess there's a variety of infinite boards that are turing complete 21:07:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:07:30 though I dunno if there's a proof for the simplest kind 21:07:49 (a board with a 1d repeating section to act as an infinite tape) 21:10:00 you'd have to construct some kind of conveyor belt 21:10:19 and a wire crossing 21:10:25 and a memory cell 21:30:02 -!- notzerk has joined. 21:32:11 If you have Discord and want to join a fun server. L3L Chat's https://discord.gg/0um0KUI34PBX846G 21:32:58 lol discord 21:37:03 -!- notzerk has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:37:17 <\oren\> what's discord? 21:37:58 sone chat nonsens for these letsplay twitch hipsters 21:38:26 as far as i u derstand its like a less horrible teamspeak 21:39:13 <\oren\> no idea what teamspeak is either. is it like AOL 21:39:25 <\oren\> I had AIM once upon a time 21:40:13 Is it like that... wait, what's it called. 21:40:25 Ventrilo? 21:40:30 imagine you take irc, remove some comfortable features to actually chat, add some uncomfortable features to voicechat 21:40:33 you are done 21:40:57 As popularized by that song. 21:41:21 Boten Anna. 21:41:31 <\oren\> vi sitter har i venten och spelar lite DOTA vi springer 21:41:40 Yeah, I think that's a reference to Ventrilo? 21:41:49 <\oren\> de monstandet vi sleepar 21:42:42 Or was that a different song? Am I mising things up? 21:42:48 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/0OzWIFX8M-Y 21:42:51 <\oren\> DOTA 21:43:02 Yeah -- same guy, different song. 21:43:27 <\oren\> I didn't remeber the lyrics very accurately 21:43:47 Also! There's Mumble, I've heard of that. 21:49:50 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/y6120QOlsfU 21:51:00 must be a very loud mumble 21:52:48 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 21:53:13 -!- Froox has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:54:19 -!- Frooxius has joined. 21:55:54 -!- xkapastel has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:57:04 -!- sewilton has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:57:04 -!- xkapastel has joined. 21:59:26 -!- sewilton has joined. 21:59:33 Hey, isn't that Helsingin tuomiokirkko? 22:01:41 But that makes no sense, then it's immediately Huvilakuja right there in the next scene. 22:01:49 Those aren't next to each other at all. 22:01:58 I guess they could've ran all the way there in the meanwhile. 22:02:50 gamemanj: What programming language would you use for writing it, would it be written in Forth, in C, in BASIC, or in assembly language? (I would suspect it may be too slow if you don't write at least part of it in assembly language, and assembly language is likely required if you need custom display programs.) 22:03:43 zzo38: I've lost track of the conversation. 22:04:11 You said if my computer has > 16 MiB of RAM then you might write the BytePusher emulator 22:04:45 Theoretically. And that's assuming it had suitable display hardware. 22:04:48 (Also I don't know the details yet of screen resolutions higher than 320x240, so that might also affect it) 22:05:40 And it's also assuming I actually even bother. And there's also the fact this is all hypothetical anyway. 22:05:58 Yes, for now it is hypothetical and the plans can be changed anyways. 22:06:25 BTW, zzo38 - are there any Brainfuck programs that you would particularly like to see on BytePusher? 22:06:48 Possibly the one that they take over the world? 22:06:58 Oh, perfect! I already had that one compiled! 22:07:37 Well, I say "compiled". It's actually still interpreted, but the code has to be strapped to the binary. 22:07:44 OK 22:08:00 Let me check current running program... 22:08:10 "Finally Taking Over The World". 22:09:02 Now, I can't really strap a licence blob to a BytePusher executable without some work, so it's probably-not-entirely complying with the GPL licence. 22:09:53 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 22:10:27 You could just add the data to the end unused; that isn't really quite it but it is idea. Another way would be to add a screen with license information, and then it switches out of that screen once any key is pushed, and start the rest of the program. 22:10:53 Yes, but I'm kind of in the middle of something else ^.^; 22:11:39 Also, does that mean I have to now give you the entirety of the source code to the BytePusher Brainfuck interpreter? And does that include the compiler... 22:11:41 gah. 22:12:05 I'd be fine with it in theory, but this is distractions upon distractions 22:12:20 I think it does not include the compiler as far as I know, but maybe it does for the interpreter I don't know. 22:12:38 Yeah, but the compiler's entirely custom 22:13:16 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:15:31 Come on, Wikipedia. You've got the "List of lists of lists", but you *don't* have the "List of music videos shot in Finland". 22:17:20 -!- centrinia has joined. 22:23:28 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:24:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:29:17 gamemanj: infinite-player chess/ 22:29:19 *? 22:29:27 ... 22:29:37 Every player only makes one move in the entire game 22:39:13 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:46:05 -!- Kaynato has joined. 22:57:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 22:57:57 I don't know what my new kind of computer design would be called (even codename are not provided at this time). 22:57:59 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 23:01:53 it's kindof both retro and modern at the same time 23:02:24 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:04:00 Although the graphics capabilities are different than BytePusher. Two kinds of formats could be supported for all-points-addressable playfield graphics, which are 4-plane PseudoColor XY format and 15-plane TrueColor Z format. You could also use bobs, which use something like "Chunky-Extra-HalfBrite" format. (But you could also do tiles and sprites, and can even change it per scanline.) 23:08:32 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 23:11:31 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:12:01 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 23:15:01 mad: Yes that is part of what the point of it is though 23:15:54 * oerjan surprised a badger today 23:16:39 it suddenly leapt out near some garbage bins. 23:16:49 -!- jaboja64 has joined. 23:16:57 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:18:43 I would probably not make the blitter more complicated than I have already written, although an over-complicated (and very slow) blitter could be made by adding muxcomp into the blitter, as well as configurable data sizes, line mode (like Amiga has), and an outer loop as well as the inner loop; with this over-complicated variant it would probably do anything you need the blitter to do. Of course I won't do it like this though; it would probably be 23:23:14 How much must Draughts be improved before it just becomes chess with a different set of armies? 23:23:39 hppavilion[1]: I don't know, but you can try. 23:24:12 "improved", hmm 23:35:28 int-e: "improved" was used loosely 23:39:06 so was "chess" 23:41:47 tomorrow's evening forecast looks wet. 23:41:52 @metar ENVA 23:41:53 ENVA 212220Z 11008KT CAVOK 13/03 Q1006 RMK WIND 670FT 17015KT 23:41:55 `wisdom 23:42:02 `random-card 23:42:11 `wisdom 23:43:27 Profit \ 1W \ Instant \ Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. \ Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.) \ [This is half of the split card Profit // Loss.] \ DGM-U 23:43:27 bfjoust//bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. 23:43:28 No output. 23:47:03 !zjoust spam >>>>>>>>>([-]>)*-1 23:47:04 oerjan.spam: points -13.81, score 10.75, rank 47/47 23:47:10 shocking 23:47:32 what is "bfjoust"? 23:47:46 !help 23:47:46 oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. 23:48:42 -!- jaboja64 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:48:51 gamemanj: a programming game and bf derivative 23:49:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:50:34 !zjoust spam >>>>>>>>>([-][-]>)*-1 23:50:35 oerjan.spam: points -16.62, score 9.35, rank 47/47 (--) 23:50:44 huh that got worse. 23:50:47 oh well. 23:51:04 * oerjan never was much of a jouster. 23:51:05 !zjoust troddler >[-]+[>[-]+] 23:51:06 gamemanj.troddler: points -25.64, score 5.76, rank 47/47 23:51:56 gamemanj: that one won't manage to clear a flag for 2 rounds 23:52:14 or wait 23:52:20 never mind 23:52:43 !zjoust troddler >>>>>>>>>>[-]+[>[-]+] 23:52:45 gamemanj.troddler: points -17.93, score 8.91, rank 47/47 (--) 23:53:16 anyway, the current hill is ridiculously hard to beat. 23:54:14 A variant of "fuse" is "fuseback" that is not official but someone suggested it and I have made up the more precise rules for it and a few cards using it. Fuseback means you can cast both halves of the card from your graveyard (you can't cast only one half from your graveyard, nor both halves from your hand), in which case it is exiled when it resolves. 23:54:17 >>(+)*128>>>>>>[-]+[>[-]+] 23:54:27 !zjoust troddler >>(+)*128>>>>>>[-]+[>[-]+] 23:54:28 gamemanj.troddler: points -20.76, score 7.62, rank 47/47 (--) 23:54:34 it got worse, somehow. 23:54:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:54:57 !zjoust troddler >>->>>>>>[-]+[>[-]+] 23:54:58 gamemanj.troddler: points -17.05, score 9.15, rank 47/47 (--) 23:55:09 aha. back on track 23:55:21 !zjoust troddler >>->>->>->>[-]+[>[-]+] 23:55:22 gamemanj.troddler: points -17.76, score 8.84, rank 47/47 (--) 23:55:57 `? eggspert 23:56:01 eggspert? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:56:14 `wisdom 23:56:17 yeeeesh//See yeeesh. 23:57:18 !zjoust troddler >>->>>>>>[-]+[->[-<+]<[>>[-]]+] 23:57:20 gamemanj.troddler: points -32.62, score 2.55, rank 47/47 (--) 23:57:23 ... 23:57:35 TBH I lost track of what my code was doing aroubd about the end part 23:57:59 Light Side {W} Instant ;; Target white creature gets +0/+1 until end of turn. ;; Target player gains 1 life. /// Dark Side {B} Instant ;; Target black creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn. ;; Target player loses 1 life. /// Fuseback 23:59:18 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:59:47 gamemanj: btw the wiki has a lot of strategy discussion. 2016-05-22: 00:00:33 * oerjan doesn't know a quarter of it. 00:01:02 !zjoust madness [[-].(+)*8] 00:01:03 gamemanj.madness: points -27.76, score 2.83, rank 47/47 00:01:11 !zjoust madness [[-](+)*8] 00:01:13 gamemanj.madness: points -27.81, score 2.83, rank 47/47 (--) 00:01:16 ... 00:01:33 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: fluff). 00:01:59 !zjoust madness [>+] 00:01:59 gamemanj.madness: points -43.69, score 0.42, rank 47/47 (--) 00:02:13 !zjoust madness [>-] 00:02:14 gamemanj.madness: points -43.69, score 0.42, rank 47/47 (--) 00:02:24 !zjoust madness [>----] 00:02:24 gamemanj.madness: points -44.19, score 0.48, rank 47/47 (--) 00:02:38 it seems I am attempting to get the lowest amount of points possible by accident 00:02:54 gamemanj: that basically only goes one cell forward ever, i think 00:03:03 ? 00:03:04 or wait 00:03:09 * oerjan misreads again 00:03:12 !zjoust madness [>----.] 00:03:12 gamemanj.madness: points -43.62, score 0.66, rank 47/47 (--) 00:03:19 !zjoust madness [>+.] 00:03:20 gamemanj.madness: points -44.02, score 0.37, rank 47/47 (--) 00:03:23 !zjoust suicide < 00:03:23 oerjan.suicide: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 00:03:32 gamemanj: that's the absolute minimum 00:03:42 !zjoust madness [->+<][-<+>] 00:03:42 gamemanj.madness: points -34.88, score 2.62, rank 47/47 00:03:52 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:04:01 you are, admittedly, close in some of those. 00:04:05 !zjoust madness [[->+<][-<+>]] 00:04:05 gamemanj.madness: points -33.45, score 2.94, rank 47/47 (--) 00:08:51 !zjoust madness (-)*128+[.-+] 00:08:52 gamemanj.madness: points -19.64, score 8.24, rank 47/47 (--) 00:09:20 !zjoust madness >>>>+<<<<(-)*128+[.-+] 00:09:21 gamemanj.madness: points -23.52, score 5.76, rank 47/47 (--) 00:09:30 !zjoust madness >>>>++<<<<(-)*128+[.-+] 00:09:31 gamemanj.madness: points -22.60, score 6.11, rank 47/47 (--) 00:09:40 !zjoust madness >>>>(+)*8<<<<(-)*128+[.-+] 00:09:41 gamemanj.madness: points -21.14, score 6.60, rank 47/47 (--) 00:09:50 !zjoust madness >>>>(+)*8<+<+<+<(-)*128+[.-+] 00:09:51 gamemanj.madness: points -22.12, score 6.45, rank 47/47 (--) 00:10:01 !zjoust madness >(+)*8<(-)*128+[.-+] 00:10:02 gamemanj.madness: points -20.24, score 7.09, rank 47/47 (--) 00:12:08 !zjoust madness >>>>+<<<<[[+][-]] 00:12:09 gamemanj.madness: points -25.19, score 3.16, rank 47/47 (--) 00:14:44 Someone come up with a practical reason to summon Gortak, the World-Eater in a chess game. 00:15:00 (see ) 00:15:14 Maybe the world looked like a tasty snack? 00:16:04 `? gortak 00:16:06 gortak? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:17:18 Answer: If I'm losing at chess, then I'd summon Gortak as a scorched earth policy. 00:17:32 gamemanj: But you have 3 fucking queens 00:17:43 Doesn't mean I can't be checkmated. 00:18:28 I think that summoning Gortak or whatever else you want to summon would be a valid move in a game of chess (unless you make the variant). 00:18:57 ``` grep -i siona wisdom/* 00:19:05 grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/cat introduction:cat introduction is the process of piping one or more extra `cat` commands into your pipeline; occasionally this is even actually useful. \ wisdom/nvd:nvd is what Taneb calls himself when he wants to feel pr 00:19:19 ``` grep --quiet -i siona wisdom/* 00:19:20 No output. 00:19:25 ``` grep --silent -i siona wisdom/* 00:19:27 No output. 00:19:41 ``` grep --no-messages -i siona wisdom/* 00:19:43 wisdom/cat introduction:cat introduction is the process of piping one or more extra `cat` commands into your pipeline; occasionally this is even actually useful. \ wisdom/nvd:nvd is what Taneb calls himself when he wants to feel professional. \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches 00:19:53 ``` grep --no-messages -il siona wisdom/* 00:19:55 wisdom/cat introduction \ wisdom/nvd \ wisdom/reflection 00:21:25 I'm pretty sure someone, somewhere, could construct a case where the king is in check, ironically being prevented from leaving by one of the queens, so Gortak is summoned and the king makes a move. 00:21:37 ...unless Gortak's summoning counts as a turn. 00:22:09 In which case, all Gortak is good for is removing 3 queens from the board. 00:26:12 Yes adding extra cat command can be used to force the program to treat it as a pipe instead of a terminal or file, if it cares. 00:27:22 gamemanj: It help if you are in check from queens I suppose 00:27:38 zzo38: Nope, they have to be queens you control 00:28:10 O, then it might help to prevent blocking your own king, but it won't help if you are in check (unless it is a variant that includes Chinese cannons perhaps) 00:28:50 Or to prevent opponent being stalemated 00:29:13 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:29:53 yes, but unfortunately if you summon Gortak nobody can ever win at chess ever again. 00:30:20 Well, to be specific "if Gortak enters game". 00:30:22 -!- Frooxius has joined. 00:30:31 So if Gortak is summoned but doesn't show up, you're OK. 00:31:05 maybe he's already full from eating exo-jupiters. 00:31:14 O, so you just have to block off the cell where they would be entered into, maybe (assuming it is a legal move still in such case) 00:31:52 You just know someone's going to summon Gortak now and stop us from ever winning chess... 00:32:13 i have a hunch there are other side effects hth 00:32:14 Assuming it is a legal move, which it is not. 00:32:17 zzo38: Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spanw of Cxaxukluth from http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072 has a more funny name than Gortak the Destroyer 00:32:53 O, OK, but is that even relevant? 00:32:58 no 00:33:05 That's what I thought. 00:33:57 nor is Siona Patricia pa-Lehyll pa-Drusia Ishgur-Sal, Lady of Tyren, sometime general in His Majesty's army, dame of the Empire, and senator of Tuqnil relevant. 00:36:54 `coins 00:37:32 No output. 00:37:35 `coins 00:37:48 ​pectcoin antiacoin silacoin aveacoin syndejcoin discoin rumcoin barbazicoin ettecoin scabcogscoin highted!coin infedwriumcoin ted!coin fcoin constitycoin egexcoin recusskateflipedarezcoin sbacoin chargacoin twostepcoin 00:37:58 hm 00:38:12 * oerjan isn't sure whether that reboot helped or not. 00:38:20 `words 00:38:25 is Gortok the Infernal Spawn of Infernal Spawn of Evil 00:38:29 eonfrinford 00:38:36 `words 50 00:38:44 eut mirr ilit elean lil mores beaugh hoxyd prepulch diable stelle cipera hungerresuifh corship assan deb rerg kyt ston exeraphild bomier pelle poorto yoacht citurn 00:39:15 maybe it's not timing out quite as much. 00:48:01 `paste bin/coins 00:48:05 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/coins 00:49:44 Phantom_Hoover: i think the expensive part is in words 00:50:49 ted!coins have something to do with TED talks. 00:53:48 Someone needs to properly catholicize Chess 00:54:14 Bishop, Archbishop, Cardinal, Pope, Priest, Deacon, Altar Boy, and anything else 00:54:45 Jesuit. 00:56:43 Yes if you want to make up the Catholic version 00:58:52 -!- jaboja has joined. 00:59:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:59:40 Jan 1 06:26:04 kernel: Out of Memory: Kill process 7145 (debootstrap) score 71 and children. 00:59:43 Jan 1 06:26:04 kernel: Out of memory: Killed process 14690 (ar). 00:59:48 That wasn't very conductive to the installation. 01:00:17 What are you trying to install and how much RAM is in your computer? 01:00:39 Debian etch/sparc, 32 megabytes of RAM, ~500 MB of swap. 01:01:09 poor process... poor poor process... 01:01:10 About all of that swap is free, but I guess it wasn't good enough. 01:03:15 Oh well. I don't have any pressing reason why I need to install anything on it, I just thought it might be helpful if someone wants to take that box, so they can possibly fiddle around without having to set up the netboot environment. 01:04:28 But what are you trying to install? 01:05:50 "Debian etch/sparc" 01:06:09 Right. I'm trying to install Debian. 01:06:23 (Version etch, because it's the latest one with sparc32 support.) 01:07:24 OK 01:08:01 Is there anything else that you could install that has sparc32 support? 01:08:21 OpenBSD would probably be fine, that's what I used to run. 01:08:39 You could try that maybe 01:09:28 I could. It's just more complicated to boot from the network for installation than Debian. (In particular, it needs a NFS server to mount the installer root filesystem from. Debian can use an initrd. Which is probably one of the reasons it runs out of memory, to be fair.) 01:09:43 Maybe I'll try it tomorrow. 01:14:41 Should the blitter in my computer design to include a stop condition as well as the copy condition (it might be helpful with C programming)? 01:19:02 (For example to implement such things as strcpy) 01:21:17 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:21:43 more flexibility is good, but: 01:21:59 If the blitter is parallel, people may want to reserve the blitter for their application 01:22:11 so using it for a mere strcpy seems wasteful 01:22:15 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:22:53 the application knows what it wants :) 01:23:22 (just a note if you write a standard library for this. I haven't actually seen any documentation on your architecture, BTW) 01:23:25 It is not parallel; it takes up CPU cycles but would be faster than executing a loop. (Also it is much simpler than the Amiga blitter) 01:23:39 Ah. 01:24:13 gamemanj: The document so far is http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/new.computer 01:24:24 (It is hardly complete, just some ideas for now) 01:24:30 ...CF? 01:24:37 (Compact Flash) 01:24:41 Yes 01:25:08 That is what you can use for external read/write media. (For external read-only media you can use a CD or DVD.) 01:26:18 ...is "low voltage == red" "high voltage == green" "phase == blue" a real standard??? 01:27:38 Palette has 16 entries, but "RGB" suggests 8. Perhaps you mean IRGB? 01:27:39 Not as far as I know, I just needed some way to do voltage/phase. 01:28:19 ...so basically using the VPP mode involves knowing details about your video standard. 01:28:25 gamemanj: Each palette entry is a 24-bit RGB (8-bits per channel). 01:29:04 gamemanj: Yes, that is what VPP mode involves. (Also VPP mode only applies to analog output, and is not used for digital.) 01:29:38 "phase" is relative. 01:30:18 Yes I know, it would be relative to colour burst probably. 01:31:06 (Also only half of the phases need to be implemented, because the other half can be implemented by switching the low-voltage with high-voltage.) 01:31:17 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solidity matrices | Ingredients: Hydrogen, time, stevia | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 01:32:09 -!- menwithHill has joined. 01:32:30 gamemanj: i hope that answers your question 01:33:01 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 01:33:05 Do any of the star programming languages today incorporate the Propagators paradigm? 01:33:23 menwithHill: What does that mean though? 01:35:30 like OOP, and FP, the paradigm of Propagators was proposed a few years back . . . wondering if Haskell, Scala, Py, JS, et al, incorporate it in any measure . . . :P 01:35:54 . o O ( actually, there should be ~ 25% helium ) 01:35:56 I wouldn't know if I do not know how it works. 01:36:17 I do know Haskell and JavaScript programming but without know what "Propagators" is, does not help much. 01:36:38 menwithHill: Radul's thing? 01:37:36 don't know about Radul 01:37:39 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:37:59 or maybe not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_nucleosynthesis 01:38:19 menwithHill: perhaps describing the paradigm will help? 01:38:54 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:39:07 zzo38: Do you support Compact Flash-Recordable? 01:39:34 shachaf: I don't know. 01:42:24 `pbflist 275 01:42:41 pbflist 275: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas 01:44:09 thx tdh hth 01:44:30 Though I don't think I get this one. 01:47:15 gamemanj: Did you read all of this document? 01:47:20 * oerjan learns that the amount of deuterium in the universe is considered evidence of dark matter 01:47:54 zzo38: If you mean your computer document - not every last detail, and to be entirely honest I have no idea why you have so many processors. 01:48:45 gamemanj: I thought it explain why? 01:49:11 It is so that you can have separate programming for video/audio than the main programming. 01:50:22 There is an example of the video programming near the end. 01:51:45 Nice anti-"programs depending on implementation of BIOS" feature 01:52:06 oerjan: did you read the pdf yet hth 01:54:21 >_> <_< 01:56:02 propagators were alexey radul's phd thesis 01:56:05 http://web.mit.edu/~axch/www/art.pdf 01:56:20 But menwithHill doesn't know about Radul. 01:56:26 sure, but they are 01:56:33 so know menwithHill knows about radul 01:56:33 So maybe it's a different propagator. 01:56:35 now* 01:56:40 no, i doubt that 01:57:05 anyway tbh they aren't that interesting since radul didn't successfully create a PL based on them, just an awkward scheme implementation that exposes it guts 01:57:30 most of the benefit that propagators would have were left to "future work" in his thesis and the technical report 01:57:41 xkapastel: I will look 01:57:49 i.e. integrating various "propagation" based paradigms like constraint solving, FRP, logic programming etc 01:57:58 menwithHill: edwardk was doing some things in https://github.com/ekmett/propagators a while ago 01:58:41 interaction nets seem like a better implementation of the idea of multi-directional computation, as they're a lot more abstract than radul's scheme based stuff 01:58:59 shachaf: thank you 01:59:11 xkapastel: thank you 01:59:19 menwithHill: https://www-lipn.univ-paris13.fr/~mazza/papers/Thesis.pdf for interaction nets 01:59:35 don't be scared of the math,just read the first few sections for an introduction 01:59:43 xkapastel: great; thanks 02:01:22 is something else being used, say in Haskell, that covers propagators features? 02:02:06 the idea behind propagators was to unify various propgation based paradigms like constraint solving and functional reactive programming 02:02:12 those various paradigms are implemented in haskell, yes 02:02:33 functional reactive programming in particular was originally developed in haskell 02:02:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:02:48 and constraint solving is an important part of type inference, so haskellers are very familiar with it 02:04:09 xkapastel: great. Thanks for clues. 02:04:12 you're not going to find something else that's like, all of those things in one like alexey wanted, because that's a very hard problem 02:04:19 My favourite chess problem is the Bishop's Tour 02:04:59 didn't Sussman do something with propagators? 02:05:12 yes, sussman was alexey's advisor 02:05:19 ah, cool 02:05:22 they teamed up on the technical report which i linked to 02:05:37 xkapastel: many thanks 02:07:32 Does the bishop have to tour both white and black squares? 02:09:32 shachaf: Yes, that's the joke. 02:09:52 I thought it was. 02:10:02 But then I looked it up and I saw people talking about 32-tours of the bishop. 02:10:06 So then I thought it wasn't. 02:10:28 shachaf: Oh, that's pretty stupid because of unfunniness 02:12:19 hppavilion[1]: Apparently the 32-square variants (at least sometimes) add a "cannot pass over a square already visited" rule to make it at least more interesting, if still not funny. 02:12:32 fizzie: Ah 02:20:50 zzo38: Have you played Gess? 02:22:33 shachaf: No, but I have read the rules 02:24:38 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:31:07 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:37:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:41:00 -!- gamemanj has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:52:22 -!- jaboja has joined. 03:05:35 http://explosm.net/comics/4240/ 03:09:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:15:50 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 03:18:51 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:39:25 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:44:21 -!- bender has joined. 03:47:56 -!- bender__ has joined. 03:48:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:49:16 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:05:22 -!- mad has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:07:20 -!- jaboja has joined. 04:20:22 -!- bender has joined. 04:21:29 -!- bender__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:22:47 -!- menwithHill has left. 04:31:10 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 04:40:29 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:50:10 -!- jaboja has joined. 05:14:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:45:00 @tell ais523 http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html suggests that 90 programs can be very valuable. 05:45:00 Consider it noted. 05:55:20 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:59:35 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:24:38 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Aah. 06:25:18 -!- Aah has changed nick to Elronnd. 06:27:07 Maybe the 640x480 mode is reduced to approx. 17 frames per second, and the 800x600 mode is removed. 06:30:56 (Or might be included but with the frame rate reduced even more) 06:31:37 Did you know the Symbolics 3600, from the 1980s, had a 1280x1024 color display? 06:32:47 okay, i lolled the new pbf. thx gaiz 06:32:59 Actually I think 640x480 could be faster than 17 frames per second, because the number 17 would assume that vblank has the same number of scanlines and it might not have to be (only the number of clock cycles should probably be at least as much) 06:33:36 shachaf: No, but now I do. What frame rate and how many colours could it display (and in what class)? 06:34:47 zzo38: I'm not sure, but it had an 8MHz CPU and 2.3MB RAM. 06:34:52 (By the class I mean the X visual classes, such as TrueColor, PseudoColor, DirectColor, etc) 06:40:18 X visual classes of course have nothing like Extra-HalfBrite or Hold-and-Modify. 06:41:33 I don't think it used X. 06:42:42 It doesn't matter; did it use one of those visual classes though, and was it XY format or Z format? 06:43:13 I don't know. 06:43:44 Do you know who does know this information (and also the frame rate)? 06:43:56 I will see if Wikipedia mentions, I suppose 06:44:12 But it cost $110,000. 06:44:37 Today you can get a computer with more than twice as much RAM for less than half that price. 06:44:57 zzo38: Maybe you can find out from http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/symbolics/3600technicalSummary_Feb83.pdf 06:46:19 The interactive display was 1150x900. 06:56:01 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:00:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:09:33 I could not find the information in there, but I could find details about the programming system, which supports macros, unbounded arrays, coroutines, exceptions, functions that return multiple values, optional parameters, keyword parameters, namespaces, and a "Flavor System" which is a kind of object-oriented system and the dependencies are not constrained to be hierarchical. 07:11:15 shachaf: do you have a moment? 07:11:22 A moment? 07:12:01 I'm trying to sort out some monad transformer stuff and need a good rubber duck. I just need you to pretend to read what I'm writing, because if my rubber duck is knowledgeable I find that helps more 07:12:23 monad transformers moproblems 07:12:31 I'm trying to work with an operational (custom) monad that also has state and I need to figure out which one goes on top of which. 07:12:52 I want the interpreter for the custom monad to be able to control the state; roll it back, etc. 07:14:36 so if I put the state as the outer monad... given a starting state, it produces a list of instructions which will produce a final state 07:15:15 but then the interpreter is not aware of or able to affect the state in any way... so I think it has to go on the inside? 07:15:53 unless the interpreter knows that (a,s) is the state type 07:16:15 but if the interpreter is on the inside, then the interpreter can't exit the state environment 07:17:35 in particular, I want the interpreter to be able to change the state type 07:18:26 to do that it needs to be able to execute the state, change type, and resume execution 07:19:10 but that's a property of the interpreter itself, not the actual computation 07:19:12 hrmmm 07:19:13 It's not the same monad at that point. Maybe you want indexed monads? 07:19:34 Can you come up with a simpler monad than Operational f to use to think about this? 07:21:12 I know it's not the same monad 07:22:15 maybe I do need indexed monads 07:29:09 or maybe I should just stop using StateT 07:29:10 hrm 07:30:38 * coppro goes to sleep 07:31:24 It says the monochrome 1150x900 display is 60 frames per second, as well as 16-bit stereo 50 KHz audio. 07:33:55 That's pretty low quality audio. 07:34:26 A higher sample rate is pretty important. 07:34:34 Oh, wait. 50 kHz. 07:34:40 For some reason I read that as 5. 07:35:09 Plenty fine, then. Slightly weird (due to not being 48 kHz), but definitely not low quality. 07:35:27 pikhq: This was in 1983. 07:35:43 Oh, for some reason I missed that context. 07:35:46 Everything was slightly weird back then. 07:35:52 I thought it was a thing that zzo38 was designing or something. 07:36:00 For the time period that's quite respectable. 07:36:15 Well, the computer cost $110,000. 07:36:34 Right. Given that it damned well better have good specs. :) 07:36:49 Now I found also about colours, it says it supports both 8-bit PseudoColor and 24-bit TrueColor modes, and both XY and Z formats. 07:38:21 [wiki] [[Mornington Crescent]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47057&oldid=44604 * 76.21.76.254 * (-21) 07:48:53 <\oren\> omg I have to fire the engines for six hours 07:49:13 <\oren\> goddamn ion thrusters 07:49:29 Clearly my own design is much more limited: 4-plane PseudoColor XYPixmap, and 15-plane TrueColor ZPixmap. 07:56:06 zzo38: Maybe you should make your design more like the Symbolics 3600. 07:57:42 I don't intend to be as complicated as that 07:58:02 Well, maybe your computer should use a Mill CPU. 07:59:08 No I think I would probably do my own patent-free design 08:18:11 <\oren\> ok, that's one half hour 08:20:54 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:25:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:47:26 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:56:28 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:01:13 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:18:08 I should probably learn what Go is... 09:19:26 Wow, it was an art in and of itself that scholars had to know 09:38:32 the good go or the google go? 09:59:00 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:00:14 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:01:32 https://youtu.be/abv4Fz7oNr0 forces me to beg the question of what the 3.5th digit of pi is 10:04:01 shachaf: I expect my answer by morning. Goodnight. 10:04:29 please don't beg the question 10:04:38 and why do you ping me about these things 10:05:59 obviosly it is (1+5)/2 = 3 10:08:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:31:38 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:32:49 -!- augur has joined. 10:51:20 That's easy, write Pi in base 5 10:51:29 Boom, you've got half-digits 10:53:51 :D 11:00:17 lambdabot: pi 11:00:23 > pi 11:00:25 3.141592653589793 11:01:06 It'd be something like 3.0104011014021110 11:01:22 Actually, I'm probably doing this wrong 11:01:40 Yeah, definitely doing it wrong 11:01:47 No half-digits this way 11:03:27 SO wrong 11:04:39 FreeFull: that can work... you have a mixed base representation that alternates between bases 2 and 5 11:05:16 int-e: Yeah, but it wouldn't make sense to talk about half-digits with that representation 11:05:23 true. 11:05:50 but it could easily be *more* wrong :P 11:06:20 =P 11:06:53 What you really want is to start with a base that is a square number 11:06:56 Then you can talk about half-digits 11:07:05 Say, base 16 is good 11:07:19 Then the half-digits would be in base 4 11:07:52 if you glance at them in a mirror, 2 and 5 become hard to tell apart :P 11:10:07 Unicode has so many silly things... but no 7 segment digits... I'm disappointed. 11:11:01 We could look at base sqrt(10) 11:11:10 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:12:14 Non-integer bases are icky... 11:12:39 you could alternate between 3 and 4 to keep digit values as close to powers of 10 as possible. 11:13:42 Wikipedia is so useful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculator_spelling 11:17:49 Base pi is best 11:17:56 Then you can just write 10.0000000000000 11:20:04 FreeFull: now define the canonical representation 11:20:14 * FreeFull shrugs 11:20:50 As far as non-integer bases go, how about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio_base 11:21:04 phi-base has a well-defined canonicalization scheme 11:21:09 Yeah 11:21:11 not sure if it is possible for general non-integral bases 11:21:14 probably not 11:24:30 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:25:42 -!- boily has joined. 11:27:29 -!- puckipedia has joined. 11:29:53 -!- ybden has joined. 11:57:44 -!- bender has quit (Disconnected by services). 11:57:53 -!- tromp_ has joined. 11:58:12 -!- bender__ has joined. 11:58:50 -!- bender__ has quit (Client Quit). 12:02:32 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:02:46 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RELUCTANT CHICKEN). 12:31:19 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:32:11 -!- puckipedia has joined. 12:32:45 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:52:49 Urgh, Microsoft still messes up email... no references, no in-reply-to headers. SIGH. 13:00:09 Hmm, no, I'm blaming the wrong people. 13:00:36 * int-e is confused. 14:11:11 -!- MDude has joined. 14:43:20 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:45:21 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:51:40 -!- gamemanj has joined. 14:53:14 ...so I found out zzo38's computer draft specification contains mentions of the occult, and "sprites" (given the aforementioned OCCULT, probably not the computer kind)! 14:53:31 ...where can I get one of these computers? 14:54:56 ("bit6 (OCCULT) - Hide sprite if playfield pixel is non-background" - presumably "pixel" is an alias of "pixie", and it's referring to hiding the sprites from the pixies... but why?) 15:17:57 @src traverse 15:17:57 Source not found. 15:31:16 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:39:13 -!- xkapastel has joined. 15:45:43 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:56:30 -!- evalj has joined. 16:32:59 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:43:21 coppro: “if my rubber duck is knowledgeable I find that helps more” => ah thanks, exactly. that's an excuse I use for having so many animal toys, because they're knowledgable in different areas 16:49:52 -!- Reece` has left ("Alsithyafturttararfunar"). 17:19:50 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47058&oldid=47045 * Bakman329 * (+15) /* L */ 17:50:09 -!- moon_ has joined. 17:50:42 -!- moon_ has changed nick to lolyouthinkimrea. 17:53:52 -!- lolyouthinkimrea has quit (Client Quit). 17:55:09 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:55:11 -!- HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:55:22 -!- HackEgo has joined. 18:03:00 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAA 18:03:28 <\oren\> whoever thought ion engines were a good idea! 18:04:26 <\oren\> i should have put six engines on this damn thing 18:06:25 \oren\: I think that was Tsiolkovsky and Goddard, or something like that. 18:06:36 gamemanj: If you read the rest of the document you would find that is not the case. (Although yes the word is similar, maybe by coincidence) 18:29:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:35:53 Occult means "to cover or hide from view", and this is what it means here. 18:40:04 Also, you can't get one of these computers yet. 18:49:58 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 18:55:39 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:00:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:07:40 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:20:20 Well, occultists aren't always fans of the public eye... 19:21:22 You can't get one of these computers in private yet either. 19:21:48 :) 19:23:37 hmm, "Never (not very useful)" is actually wrong - it's quite useful indeed for an optimized boolean flag toggle & branch.. 19:23:57 use a XOR to swap between always & never, then perform the jump 19:25:03 OK, so there is a use; I didn't know that. 19:30:26 Jump-to-register... if memory space is 16-bit, jump-to-register could select the target register as the "high" byte and the "other" register as the "low" byte? 19:31:38 I'm wondering if CMC is useful... I guess if you have two blocks of code with different conditional settings and you want to run both, a CMC would help, but why write the code that way? 19:32:39 But the jump is to the address of the operand, and the registers do not have an address. So, I do not know what it would do, but once the circuit is designed then we can see what it would do. 19:33:45 Well, no need to design an actual electronic circuit - in my experience, Logisim's good for playing around with logic design, but ofc it's graphical. On the one hand the graphics make it easier to keep track, on the other you have to route about the lines. 19:34:40 The point of CMC is mainly to be used conditionally (so you do not need both SEC and CLC instructions), although there may be unconditional uses as well. 19:35:57 Ah, I see. 19:36:10 You've described quite a bit of the CPU now I look at it, but where you have "two bits of", you should have a bitfield "ccaaoooo" and designate which side is MSB (consistency with general numeric systems and hex/etc. says MSB first), but you should probably fill in the other instructions and list flag effects. 19:36:48 Yes; I haven't quite designed that part yet (but should). The other instructions and flag effects are same as 6502. 19:39:42 Well, you've "designed" the bitfield already more or less, you just haven't made it very explicit. 19:40:13 Also, "same as 6502" is great if you know the 6502, but not so good if you don't ^.^; 19:40:46 Of course proper documentation would make all of these things explicit. 19:41:24 (I also haven't written the assignment of the numbers to each instruction; this too probably would need the circuit to be designed (not necessarily built though).) 19:42:09 * gamemanj thinks about it some more 19:42:27 What happens if you LDA A? 19:43:50 Ok, so LDA's probably a 2-cycle (read opcode / copy value) instruction on the register-to-register case... 19:44:33 Nothing, I think. 19:51:26 STA to an immediate... 19:51:41 Would that act like zeropage, or? 19:52:20 No, it would overwrite the immediate 19:52:36 (Like it would do on VAX, I think; but I don't really know much about VAX) 19:53:38 Does this apply to all instructions that store into the addressed value? 19:53:48 (Note that on an actual 6502, STA to an immediate does nothing.) 19:55:39 gamemanj: Yes, although there are only two such instructions in the video processor, STA and STB. 19:56:05 Two makes it easy - prefix them with something like 111*. 19:56:31 Yes, that is what I thought of too. 19:57:17 -!- tromp_ has joined. 19:58:54 Good news, your NOP is 0x00. 19:59:08 Always Execute / Immediate / JMP. 19:59:40 Yes, I did also think of that. 19:59:54 Good to see you thought it through. 20:02:00 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:03:17 0x00 being nop is handy, although 6502 and mmix takes a different route, making an all-zero instruction a trap so that an accidental jump through a stray pointer would likely be discovered quickly instead of just noping for a while 20:04:38 and I think 6502 has separate register-to-register transfer instructions 20:06:45 Yes, 6502 does have separate register-to-register instructions, such as TAX TAY TXA TYA TSX TXS 20:22:51 Does “thrull” as in the name of the M:tG creature type etimologically come from “thrall”? 20:24:41 `? thrull 20:24:43 `? thrall 20:25:14 thrall? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:25:14 thrull? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:27:28 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 20:29:02 zzo38: I've worked out some timings and opcode IDs. 20:31:34 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/zzo38-op.txt 20:56:32 <\oren\> b_jonas: . o O (thrull -> thrust bearing hull?) 20:57:43 -!- hwpplayer1 has left. 20:58:23 <\oren\> b_jonas: I remember reading of a 6502 variant where all undefined instructions were BRK, and people wrote code at the BRK handler to create custom instructions 21:02:10 "custom instructions"... which were presumably really slow? 21:02:42 Still, must've improved code density greatly. 21:04:04 <\oren\> maybe it's more like a function call? 21:04:33 Well, yes, but you still have to disambiguate between the different custom instructions 21:04:35 <\oren\> a 6502 function call takes 3 bytes of code, this would take only one. 21:05:33 So you'd either need 0x200 bytes for a vector table or something (1/128th of memory is a LOT, believe it or not)... or you'd need quite a few branches (potentially slow) 21:06:33 <\oren\> yeah i'm not entirely sure what they did 21:06:52 maybe they just had one "custom instruction" for something they used a lot? 21:08:06 Or maybe there were only 16 or so custom instructions, so they could afford a vector table. 21:09:09 <\oren\> Hmm, the gaps in the 6502 instruction set are highly regular, so a 16 entry table would definitly work 21:11:10 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:18:46 -!- idris-bot has joined. 21:19:27 \oren\: nice, that's ahead of the 6502's time, I thought that kind of thing would start only at processors with memory protection, when the cpu could no longer afford for unprivilaged processes to run instructions they don't implement properly 21:23:53 gamemanj: OK I looked at what you wrote I think it can be a good design 21:24:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:27:08 Also note that !RESET should probably be buffered, and only updated when the clock goes low - this is because if RESET went off just before the clock went high, then it could change state before the RESET-off had propagated 21:28:01 OK thanks 21:28:18 and as the default value of the AND'd clock during RESET is *low*, updating when clock goes low means that clock should stay low for the next cycle. 21:48:18 -!- Akaibu has joined. 21:51:18 @unpl join id 21:51:18 (\ d -> (\ a -> a) d d) 21:51:28 oh, good, I didn't introduce that bug. 21:53:16 <\oren\> un perl? 21:54:09 no, un-point-free 21:54:11 @help unpf 21:54:11 pointful . Make code pointier. 21:54:22 @help pl 21:54:22 pointless . Play with pointfree code. 21:54:24 \oren\: also known as "knit" hth 21:54:43 anyway I have code that produces \ b0 -> b0 b0 instead, now. 21:54:54 That's not even valid Haskell. 21:55:02 You should add a spot of the type checking. 21:55:18 I WILL NOT 21:55:49 @pl (\x -> x x) (\x -> f (x x)) 21:55:50 I'm at 1 file changed, 196 insertions(+), 97 deletions(-) just to handle alpha ... hopefully properly. 21:55:52 ap id id (f . ap id id) 21:55:52 optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. 21:56:12 @pl (\x -> f (x x)) (\x -> f (x x)) 21:56:15 (f . ap id id) (f . ap id id) 21:56:15 optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. 21:56:20 @pl-resume 21:56:26 (f . ap id id) (f . ap id id) 21:56:26 optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. 21:56:28 come on @pl tdnh 21:56:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:56:40 what are you trying to do? 21:56:46 make it print a whole bunch of fs 21:56:55 it keeps the shortest result 21:57:00 so... no. 21:57:03 tust 21:57:04 oh 21:57:14 Nope, no new lambdabottery 21:57:16 <\oren\> `? pointfree 21:57:22 pointfree? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:57:26 shachaf: Have you found my answer? 21:57:43 this irc channel is unfortunately too narrow to contain it 21:58:23 <\oren\> `le/rn pointfree/Pointfree programming sounds better than pointless programming. 21:58:29 Learned «pointfree» 21:58:32 shachaf: ...well played 21:58:38 `? flag of #esoteric 21:58:40 flag of #esoteric? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:58:44 Hm... 21:58:52 @help pl 21:58:52 pointless . Play with pointfree code. 21:58:53 The flag of #esoteric is, of course, 6-dimensional 21:59:00 point-free ought to have a hyphen 21:59:23 shachaf: That'd be kind of pointless 21:59:37 `fonzie 21:59:38 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: fonzie: not found 21:59:39 also your joke is old and overdone hth 22:00:02 shachaf: Yes, it's become kind of pointless 22:02:34 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:04:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:15:31 s :: Exp -> Exp 22:15:31 s = join traceShow 22:15:43 hum 23:23:00 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 23:25:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:37:00 -!- rntz has joined. 23:37:15 shachaf told me someone here knows a bunch about the 100-prisoners-and-a-lightbulb puzzle? 23:37:17 -!- jaboja has joined. 23:37:44 ...did all of this happen since i left... 23:37:53 (this morning) 23:37:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:38:49 rtnz: there was a good article about that 23:39:00 rtnz: let me try to find it 23:39:20 there are several, I think... do you mean the Wu paper? 23:40:10 rntz: dunno, do you have a link? 23:40:33 I was thinking of int-e but I might be wrong. 23:40:39 https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/papers/100prisonersLightBulb.pdf 23:44:36 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:46:29 Hm... are there any Chess-like board games featuring modal logic? 23:47:00 I don't know; do you know how to make up such a game? 23:51:38 zzo38: Nope 23:52:13 But I also don't know. 23:52:26 All my life, I think I've been searching for something 23:52:42 I've always felt like there's something I'm supposed to find 23:52:47 Something I've lost and I must retrieve 23:53:09 What kind of thing do you think you are trying to find? 23:53:30 I think I might have found it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_on_a_Really_Big_Board 23:53:40 Unfortunately, my browser crashes every time I try to open that page 23:59:27 THERE we go 2016-05-23: 00:04:51 rntz: "where the last equality follows after an orgy of algebra." help 00:08:04 I may have mentioned the 100 prisoners puzzle, yeah... 00:09:30 int-e: do you know of a solution to the variant where (1) you can't count days (2) every prisoner must have the same strategy? 00:10:37 I have a solution, that I think I have found a faster version for, but I am not sure the faster one is still correct 00:14:16 hmm, I'm interested, but not right now ... too tired from lambdabot hacking. 00:14:52 I've mostly worked with the timed version though, so this may be tricky. 00:18:40 `? post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze 00:18:55 post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:21:16 meh and of course I broke lambdabot on ghc 7.8 :/ 00:21:46 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 00:22:17 "Not in scope: ‘<$>’" ... AMP! 00:23:00 fmap fmap fmap 00:23:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:23:57 Whoa. Just had an Out-Of-Body experience 00:24:05 -!- hppavilion[2] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 00:24:22 * oerjan gets drawn into ghc trac again, despite having no ghc on his computer 00:24:58 :t elem 00:24:59 (Eq a, Foldable t) => a -> t a -> Bool 00:25:02 and that... 00:25:14 int-e: PROBLEM? 00:25:22 Is it possible to configure vim so that the delete key does not save it in the buffer (but d and x keys do)? 00:25:25 > length (1,2) 00:25:26 1 00:25:33 oerjan: ghc 7.8.4 wants Set.member instead. 00:26:08 > F.elem 1 M.empty 00:26:10 False 00:26:21 :t F.elem 00:26:22 (Eq a, Foldable t) => a -> t a -> Bool 00:26:31 hm i guess lambdabot isn't using that 00:26:53 int-e: doesn't import Foldable (elem) help? 00:27:02 (modulo errors) 00:27:05 oerjan: then I have to hide the list one ... not going there. 00:27:23 zzo38: do you mean to day that the delete key does not save what it deletes to the "" register (that's the register the p command pastes from by default)? If so, map that key to "_x 00:27:39 zzo38: see :he "" 00:27:46 int-e: ouch 00:28:59 OK yes I think that could work (I do intend that regardless of normal mode, visual mode, and insertion mode) 00:29:08 `? continuous 00:29:11 `? contiguous 00:29:12 continuous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:29:12 contiguous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:29:34 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:29:50 zzo38: freenode's #vim channel is good so if you can't get help here you can always ask there 00:29:53 but hey, at least my work on the travis setup is paying off... building 3 1/2 minutes :) 00:30:24 b_jonas: OK thanks 00:30:56 int-e: alas, the 3-release property doesn't apply to avoiding stupid import tricks. (if it's still alive at all. i'm still stuck back in March.) 00:31:22 *policy 00:31:24 int-e: What is that? I have seen files called "travis" in some source code repositories but is that related? 00:31:33 yes. 00:31:39 my fingers seem to think only the fist and last letters count. 00:31:39 https://travis-ci.org/ 00:31:47 `? b_jonas can't spell 00:31:48 b_jonas can't spell? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:31:48 * oerjan saw that one and refued to fix it. 00:31:57 -!- jaboja has joined. 00:31:58 yep, that one oo 00:32:05 this is going well. 00:33:21 oerjan: https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/compare/b1c2abdf3f06...8389c69f3b27 ... I even used liftM! 00:34:46 shocking 00:35:51 `slashlearn b_jonas can't spell/b_jonas can't spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, existence, heard, appropriate; and confuses these sets of words: then, than; drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute, delate; contiguous, continuous. 00:35:53 Learned «b_jonas can't spell» 00:35:58 `? b_jonas can't spell 00:36:00 b_jonas can't spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, existence, heard, appropriate; and confuses these sets of words: then, than; drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute, delate; contiguous, continuous. 00:37:04 itym itymology hth 00:37:22 yeah I'm disappointed that there's no typo in that list, too. 00:37:42 int-e: there isn't? I thought there'd be one even if I didn't try to put one in 00:38:02 `? amortize 00:38:04 amortize? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:38:07 There's also the three nouns trace vs track vs trail, of which the difference nobody managed to properly explain to me. I asked a few times, but got contradictory explanations. 00:38:25 ``` cd wisdom && grep amorti * 00:38:35 grep: le: Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ amortized:An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ oerjan:Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. H 00:38:45 ``` cd wisdom && grep --no-messages amorti * 00:38:46 amortized:An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ oerjan:Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is B 00:38:54 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:38:58 shachaf: amortized 00:39:13 what about it 00:39:27 `` grep -l mortif wisdom/* 00:39:30 grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/reflection 00:39:34 `? trace 00:39:35 trace? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:39:36 just use rgrep, yo 00:39:36 `? track 00:39:37 track? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:39:38 `? trail 00:39:39 trail? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:39:54 `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs grepp -l mortif 00:39:56 xargs: Warning: a NUL character occurred in the input. It cannot be passed through in the argument list. Did you mean to use the --null option? \ xargs: grepp: No such file or directory 00:40:01 `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grepp -l mortif 00:40:03 xargs: grepp: No such file or directory 00:40:10 I'm too stupid for this. 00:40:14 `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l mortif 00:40:16 No output. 00:40:18 `` rgrep mortif wisdom 00:40:25 No output. 00:40:27 as I said. 00:40:55 `slashlearn post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze/Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobanh album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee . 00:40:59 Learned «post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze» 00:42:49 `sedlast s/banh/bahn/ 00:43:11 wisdom/post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze//Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobahn album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee . 00:50:31 -!- jaboja has joined. 00:52:18 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:57:16 `? iron general 00:57:18 iron general? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:57:49 `slashlearn iron general/The Iron General is Siona Patricia pa-Lehyll pa-Drusia Ishgur-Sal, Lady of Tyren, sometime general in His Majesty's army, dame of the Empire, and senator of Tuqnil, in http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2003-12-04.0383.html 00:57:52 Learned «iron general» 00:58:42 `? john 00:58:42 b_jonas: madore is writing fantasy fiction? 00:58:43 john? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:59:15 oerjan: probably more sci-fi. http://www.madore.org/~david/lit/god.html definitely counts as sci-fi to me. 00:59:40 i remember years ago we found some erotic gay elf lotr fanfic he wrote 00:59:49 but it was in french so it looked a lot more classy than that 01:00:00 `learn John is not Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spawn of Cxaxukluth, according to http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072 01:00:04 Learned 'john': John is not Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spawn of Cxaxukluth, according to http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072 01:01:47 b_jonas: damn guessed wrong. 01:02:31 b_jonas: you seem to be adding a lot of spurious wisdom entries 01:02:35 i can't figure out why 01:03:30 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:03:35 shachaf: I probably am. what wisdom entry do you not count as spurious, or what is your idea about the real goal HackEgo wisdom should serve? 01:03:46 unclear 01:03:51 but why are you adding these 01:04:01 shachaf: they amuse me, usually 01:04:16 most of them probably have no purpose, but maybe a few will inspire other people 01:04:26 `? filk 01:04:28 filk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:05:06 Fisting with milk 01:05:14 Obviously 01:05:55 -!- clinth has joined. 01:21:55 shachaf: none are spurious. each is 100% accurate. All are superfluous, just like everything in the wisdomdb 01:22:16 that's probably the word i meant tdh 01:22:30 oerjan's wisdom entries are great, though 01:22:45 -!- clinth has left. 01:23:34 FreeFull: ordinary milk or filmjölk? 01:24:03 hm am i confusing you with a swede again 01:24:15 * oerjan swats FireFly for being confusable -----### 01:24:30 I am? 01:24:41 yep 01:25:17 -!- variable has joined. 01:25:48 oerjan: Yes 01:26:01 What is filmjölk? 01:26:19 It's like milk except thicker 01:26:25 Soured milk? 01:26:34 Milk with extra cream? 01:26:45 Soured milk, yeah 01:26:48 I think 01:26:52 Ok 01:27:02 Lactic acid bacteria then 01:27:06 -!- adu has joined. 01:27:08 Or well, fermented milk 01:30:50 Ugh 01:31:17 I hate it when people attribute their lack of ability to use advanced software features to "it's glitchy" 01:32:30 What example? 01:37:27 -!- boily has joined. 01:40:10 thoily. 01:40:56 * oerjan thinks we may be somewhat out of sync. the last one was 4 days ago. 01:42:30 hppavilion[1]: conclusion: the ability to use advanced software depends on being able to ignore glitches. 01:42:50 this is in line with my experience hth 01:43:31 thellørjan. 01:44:08 . o O ( Thellørjanium... even more awesome than adamantium and that other Marvel or DC stuff.. ) 01:56:15 -!- hydraz has changed nick to shydraz. 01:56:38 shydraz: feeling supersymmetric today? 01:57:21 uh, shit, I need to look up this joke 01:57:36 *MWAHAHAHA* 01:59:12 shellodraz. 01:59:22 fungot: what is supersymmetry? 01:59:23 boily: mr president, ten days ago. on that occasion it was in favour of certain amendments which had just crossed a military fnord into iran? obviously not! that would be the last time a pharmacist shot another pharmacist to control the safety and effectiveness of the project, to ensure observance of the democratic clause is very directly related to the reduction of prices, especially in regions which are situated just below th 02:00:03 it seems iran is developing it. we're probably doomed. 02:00:26 -!- shydraz has changed nick to hydraz. 02:00:38 also, it involves pharmacy rather than nuclear physics. 02:00:56 oerjan: since I didn't understand the wikipedia page - something to do with quantum mechanics? -, I'll just revert to my non-quantum-mechanical nick. 02:01:42 hydraz: i'm afraid that to become supersymmetric, you must already have been quantum mechanical to start with. 02:01:51 nooo 02:02:02 oerjan: so am I dead or am or alive? 02:02:12 hydraz: you are FM hth 02:02:14 just pull out all the stops. also the sbottoms. 02:02:33 * boily *THWACKS* oerjan. 0.9 shachafs. 02:02:43 boily: hey i'm just trying to give hints here 02:03:09 it was a pun. 02:03:15 OKAY 02:03:23 a good one. you scored high. 02:03:27 yay 02:03:44 ouch 02:04:31 hydraz: i don't know, could you come in for observation? 02:04:42 That one I understood 02:04:50 hydraz: the fizikusinduló (a party song the physicist students here use as their anthem) asks whether they're dead or alive.eeee 02:05:04 oerjan: I would, but I collapsed on the street. 02:05:17 oh admn is my keyboard 02:05:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:05:35 hydraz: well you still sound coherent. 02:06:15 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:07:46 `learn admn is the curse of people with cdop. 02:07:52 Learned 'admn': admn is the curse of people with cdop. 02:08:33 admn? cdop? Abyssal Decoherent Malady of the Nerves? Chronic Disposition of Pneumonia? 02:09:54 * oerjan slightly impressed that google translate guessed what language "indul" was 02:10:11 `? cdop 02:10:13 cdop? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:10:19 hm we don't have that yet? 02:10:46 `learn CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order. 02:10:49 Learned 'cdop': CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order. 02:11:20 hm... 02:12:53 helloily 02:15:41 quinthellopia 02:16:01 having a good sunday? 02:18:25 tiles were shuffled! 02:18:31 did you sunday well? 02:20:34 https://youtu.be/abv4Fz7oNr0 forces me to beg the question of what the 3.5th digit of pi is <-- hm i can see one obvious interpretation 02:20:58 namely, the 3rd digit of pi*sqrt(10) 02:21:10 http://www.5z8.info/-OPEN-WEBCAM---START-RECORD--_q3f8oq_whitepower 02:21:27 hm or maybe not 3rd. 02:21:37 2nd after the period. 02:21:46 hppavellon[1]. uhm... not sure I want to click on a white power link hth 02:21:47 > pi 02:21:48 3.141592653589793 02:21:52 > pi*sqrt(10) 02:21:54 9.934588265796101 02:21:59 so, 3. 02:22:03 boily: cliiiiiiiiiiickiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit 02:22:11 hppavilion[1]: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohth 02:22:23 does someone need a good kicking 02:22:36 boily: It's very funny 02:22:38 hppavilion[1]: I clicked. HA HA HA :D 02:22:41 it is funny. 02:22:42 Excellent 02:24:01 You guys make it very hard not to shoot the puppy 02:27:12 -!- centrinia has joined. 02:32:43 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CYCLOPEAN CHICKEN). 02:42:29 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:47:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:47:13 > exp pi - pi 02:47:15 19.999099979189474 02:47:34 "Shouldn't that be 20?" 02:50:00 > (9**2 + 19**2/22)**(1/4) - pi 02:50:02 -1.007146810394488e-9 02:54:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:54:58 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 02:58:22 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:01:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:22:20 > 22 * pi ^ 4 03:22:22 2143.0000027480532 03:22:29 fizzie: ^ 03:22:51 > 88 * log 89 03:22:53 395.0000005364283 03:38:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:42:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:05:02 Well, http://jobs.sportsauthority.com/ seems like a really bad idea for a new job 04:11:28 > sin (2017 * 2 ^ 0.2) 04:11:29 Could not deduce (Integral b0) arising from a use of ‘^’ 04:11:30 from the context (Floating a) 04:11:30 bound by the inferred type of it :: Floating a => a 04:11:43 > sin (2017 * 2.0 ** 0.2) 04:11:45 -1.0 04:11:51 fizzie, FreeFull: ^ 04:12:13 (sounds a good prank for the next year) 04:15:56 > 2.0 ** 0.2 04:15:57 1.148698354997035 04:16:17 > 2017 * 2.0 ** 0.2 04:16:19 2316.92458202902 04:16:25 > (2017 * 2.0 ** 0.2) / pi 04:16:26 737.5000000020841 04:16:41 lifthrasiir: Ok 04:17:44 FreeFull: probably the most succinct almost integer in terms of error per term & digit ratio 04:17:51 the most succinct known* 04:18:38 How about 1.01 04:18:49 e^(pi sqrt(163)) is also succinct, but its large quantity makes it a bit strange 04:19:39 FreeFull: too obvious? 04:19:50 well, it is a bit subjective 04:20:11 you can try to define the complexity of expression with some kind of normalized string (RIES does this, FYI) 04:20:23 but any such scheme would be subjective 04:20:25 I guess 04:27:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:34:21 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:02:47 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:05:51 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:11:03 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:16:30 http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/when-a-computer-scammer-tries-to-open-my-windows-porn-saves-the-day-20140201-31u1c.html 8=D 05:16:31 (that is a smiley face, you sick bastard) 05:35:21 that is a good article 05:35:42 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:48:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:02:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:36:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:37:32 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Your smiley face might need some plastic surgery. Or maybe just some plastic.). 06:40:33 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:45:39 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:02:26 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 07:37:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 07:38:50 Hm... What would happen if you withdrew negative dollars? 07:42:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:51:23 hppavilion[1]: That's part of Infocom's game, _Bureaucracy_. 08:06:25 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:25:03 Does Xlib have any functions to convert a picture without opening a display connection? 08:32:35 (I suppose XGetPixel and XPutPixel could be used to do it very slowly) 08:33:58 Don't those require a display connection? 08:35:21 Those functions don't. XInitImage, XSubImage, XAddPixel, and XDestroyImage also don't. 08:37:07 (XCreateImage requires a display connection, although another way to create a XImage is to fill in the structure yourself and then call XInitImage.) 08:47:12 What's the name of the idea of a chip which, on your early death, simulates a perfect happy lifetime? 08:48:59 hppavilion[1]: go easy on your EBEs 08:49:11 shachaf: EBEs? 08:49:15 yes 08:49:21 shachaf: I'm sorry 08:49:25 shachaf: What's EBE? 08:49:43 @google go easy on your EBEs 08:49:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spF6A2QK31s 08:49:44 There's an episode of the X-Files called E.B.E 08:51:45 shachaf: OK, but that's not the concept of that chip 08:52:03 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 08:53:49 ADNUUUUUUUU 08:57:31 What would happen if that chip malfunctioned? 09:03:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4CRCJUmWsM&index=2&list=PLV9ZS-zCs2ZS7Ut3LzOZ4NG7oZwn8BY8i is.......... interesting 09:09:25 -!- jaboja has joined. 09:26:26 You can probably trace a lot of this channel to Look Around You if you try. 09:26:42 For example, porthelleaus. 09:37:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:40:16 Do you have a copy of the instructions on the envelope of a IBM flowchart template? 09:41:41 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:57:15 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:06:13 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:11:58 huh, who's the guest artist of today's Dilbert? 10:12:44 ah, "jake tapper" is probably the name of the artist 10:13:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:21:14 http://www.tiltbrush.com coooooooool 10:24:23 -!- jaboja has joined. 10:35:29 hmm, no mroman 10:35:43 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:17:32 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:24:50 -!- jaboja has joined. 11:35:16 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:35:29 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:42:46 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:04:39 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:33:54 -!- alandipert has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:38:16 -!- adu has joined. 13:04:38 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:09:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 13:13:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:27:16 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 13:47:59 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:53:38 -!- boily has joined. 14:03:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:03:49 `wisdom 14:04:12 transformer//A transformer is one who used to trans, but no longer does. 14:05:09 `wisdom 14:05:16 oren//oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. He also has a rabid hatred of the two-storey lowercase a. 14:05:21 `random-card 14:05:25 Lifeforce \ GG \ Enchantment \ {G}{G}: Counter target black spell. \ A-U, B-U, U-U, RV-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, ME4-R 14:06:13 eww, that's a strange card 14:06:51 there are non-blue counters? 14:07:32 boily: sure, there's a very few white ones 14:07:53 boily: and you've probably heared of 14:07:59 `card-by-name Red Elemental Blast 14:08:01 Red Elemental Blast \ R \ Instant \ Choose one -- \ · Counter target blue spell. \ · Destroy target blue permanent. \ A-C, B-C, U-C, RV-C, 4E-C, ME4-U 14:11:32 boily: there's Dawn Charm and Rebuff the Wicked and Vigilant Martyr which are specific against some spells, then there's a recent strange example of Frontline Medic, Mana Tithe which is a colorshifted card from planar chaos, 14:11:50 but the best example is Lapse of Certainty which is a general counterspell in white. 14:13:46 `card-by-name Lapse of Certainty 14:13:49 Lapse of Certainty \ 2W \ Instant \ Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put it on top of its owner's library instead of into that player's graveyard. \ CON-C 14:13:56 `card-by-name Excommunicate 14:13:59 Excommunicate \ 2W \ Sorcery \ Put target creature on top of its owner's library. \ ALA-C, M10-C, M11-C 14:14:48 ... 14:15:18 * boily shudders at the wrongness of those cards 14:16:52 boily: if it's any comfort to you, I don't think you'll see color hosers like Lifeforce or Red Elemental Blast in the future for a while 14:18:05 The white counterspells are a bit strange, because if white wants to protect their permanents from spells, he should just give them protection, which white could traditionally do cheaply, though it's getting rare in recent sets. 14:19:07 `card-by-name Deathgrip 14:19:09 Deathgrip \ BB \ Enchantment \ {B}{B}: Counter target green spell. \ A-U, B-U, U-U, RV-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, ME4-R 14:19:24 ^ I think that's paired with Lifeforce 14:19:32 `card-by-name Dash Hopes 14:19:34 Dash Hopes \ BB \ Instant \ When you cast Dash Hopes, any player may pay 5 life. If a player does, counter Dash Hopes. \ Counter target spell. \ PLC-C 14:20:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:20:39 `? Stromgald Cabal 14:20:41 Stromgald Cabal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:21:05 -!- tromp has joined. 14:21:07 `? Withering Boom 14:21:09 `? Withering Boo 14:21:10 Withering Boom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:21:11 Withering Boo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:21:16 `? Withering Boon 14:21:18 `? Withering Boob 14:21:18 Withering Boon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:21:20 Withering Boob? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:21:27 `card-by-name stromgald 14:21:28 Stromgald Cabal \ 1BB \ Creature -- Human Knight \ 2/2 \ {T}, Pay 1 life: Counter target white spell. \ IA-R, 5E-R, 6E-R, ME2-R \ \ Stromgald Crusader \ BB \ Creature -- Zombie Knight \ 2/1 \ Protection from white \ {B}: Stromgald Crusader gains flying until end of turn. \ {B}{B}: Stromgald Crusader gets +1/+0 until end of turn. \ CSP-U \ \ Strom 14:21:32 `card-by-name withering boo 14:21:33 Withering Boon \ 1B \ Instant \ As an additional cost to cast Withering Boon, pay 3 life. \ Counter target creature spell. \ MI-U 14:22:15 oh, there's another Red Elemental Blast too: 14:22:21 `card-by-name Burnout 14:22:22 Burnout \ 1R \ Instant \ Counter target instant spell if it's blue. \ Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep. \ AI-U, ME2-U 14:23:55 `card-by-name Mages' Contest 14:23:57 Mages' Contest \ 1RR \ Instant \ You and target spell's controller bid life. You start the bidding with a bid of 1. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid. If you win the bidding, counter that spell. \ IN-R 14:24:15 `card-by-name Molten Influence 14:24:17 Molten Influence \ 1R \ Instant \ Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller has Molten Influence deal 4 damage to him or her. \ OD-R 14:24:24 ^ that one is like Dash Hopes but even worse 14:25:01 `card-by-name Pyroblast 14:25:03 Pyroblast \ R \ Instant \ Choose one -- \ · Counter target spell if it's blue. \ · Destroy target permanent if it's blue. \ IA-C, 5E-U, MED-C 14:25:12 ^ wait, did they put a red elemental blast in every early set? 14:28:46 -!- tromp has quit. 14:36:26 -!- primo has joined. 14:37:03 b_jonas: I think Pyroblast was a rules-errata version of REB 14:37:33 the idea being that you can pyroblast something that isn't blue, and recolor it, even in an old version of the rules where instants worked weirdly 14:38:05 -!- primo has left. 14:40:31 @tell shachaf I don't think the malware was literally written in 90; it's the same spirit, but I think it used a different mechanism to recognise what and where to patch 14:40:31 Consider it noted. 14:40:36 -!- ybden has joined. 14:50:05 -!- adu has joined. 14:56:00 `? mroman 14:56:03 mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function. He's also an artist in unconventional warfare. 14:59:27 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:06:00 hmm, I understand how a function could be worse at hashing password than the identity function 15:06:11 however I feel that it's dubious that it could be called a password hashing function, in such a case 15:06:17 I fail to see how a hash could be worse than identity. 15:07:05 it could waste a lot of space in the result, make the original password still reasonably recoverable, /and/ have collisions 15:07:17 e.g. s/aeiou/?????/g 15:07:21 err 15:07:24 s/[aeiou]/?????/g 15:07:38 I'd say that'd be worse than the identity function at password hashing in basically every way 15:07:57 I feel tainted. I'ma gonna wash some dishes to cleanse myself. 15:08:08 Did Humanity Descend From Aliens? 15:08:09 that's a new one 15:08:13 not opening the message though 15:09:18 . o O ( `sedtopic s/international/alien/ ) 15:16:14 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:23:59 -!- tromp has joined. 15:28:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:29:18 -!- boily has set topic: The alien hub of solidity matrices | Ingredients: Hydrogen, time, stevia | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 15:51:58 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:53:17 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:59:08 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:13:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:14:05 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:23:44 <\oren\> I love stevia! 16:24:14 <\oren\> it doesn't taste much like sugar, but I like it in its own right 16:24:55 -!- gamemanj has joined. 16:26:17 <\oren\> gamemanj: do you like stevia? 16:26:31 unknown what "stevia" is 16:26:38 `? stevia 16:26:41 stevia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:26:47 conclusion. it does not exist. 16:27:30 <\oren\> it's a chemical that is used as a sweetener 16:28:24 Since I didn't know about it, I wouldn't know of any interactions. 16:28:25 <\oren\> it is used in pepsi next 16:29:53 ...I don't believe I've had any interactions with , either. 16:30:40 <\oren\> what sodas do you like? 16:31:05 ...why is this information of relevance? 16:31:53 ...information limit cut-out has triggered, you have reached your monthly limit on information. 16:32:10 <\oren\> well boily just put stevia on the list of ingredients for the alien hub of solidity matrices 16:32:34 Well, I don't have any known dislike of stevia. 16:33:30 <\oren\> wait how did you do that? 16:33:43 ? 16:33:52 ? 16:33:56 <\oren\> italics? 16:34:00 Ctrl-I:Italic. 16:34:03 he\\oren\. I didn't put stevia hth 16:34:08 Ctrl-U:Underline. 16:34:12 test 16:34:13 Ctrl-B:Bold. 16:34:19 test 16:34:45 <\oren\> ‰test 16:34:55 <\oren\> not working for me 16:34:56 It's useful for making your text sloped. Like this. Like that text feature that can be overused. A lot! 16:35:04 huh, you somehow managed to write 0x89 16:35:07 I congratulate you 16:35:20 <\oren\> ctrl i gives me a tab 16:35:40 <\oren\> ctrl shift i gives me a 0x89 16:36:03 If I'm reading the letters correctly, you want 0x10. (Not 0x0A) 16:36:28 Trouble is, I can't copy it to you since it would be invisible. 16:37:57 `unicode 0x10 16:38:06 U+0010 \ UTF-8: 10 UTF-16BE: 0010 Decimal:  \ \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) 16:38:21 huh? 16:38:27 so apparently I got the wrong letter 16:38:49 `unicode 16:38:53 U+001D \ UTF-8: 1d UTF-16BE: 001d Decimal:  \ \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: B (Paragraph Separator) 16:38:56 Ah 16:39:05 so it's 0x1D... 16:40:15 <\oren\> italics? 16:40:24 yep 16:40:26 italics 16:40:33 <\oren\> YAY! it's control ] 16:40:50 <\oren\> colors! 16:40:54 Ah, you're using a terminal-based chat client 16:41:14 <\oren\> over two tmuxes and sshes, no less 16:41:28 *two*? 16:41:44 throw in some mosh too 16:41:46 ... 16:42:07 <\oren\> yes. I ssh into my home server, run tmux, ssh over to my website, run tmux, run irssi! 16:43:24 such lag 16:43:37 <\oren\> and the terminal itself is mintty on cygwin 16:43:52 tmuxception 16:46:14 <\oren\> frankly mintty is better than the terminal I use on linux 16:46:36 what does it do? 16:47:41 <\oren\> it gets out of my way 16:48:11 I prefer terminals that are in my way... it's kind of hard to reach if it's out of my way 16:49:33 <\oren\> that is to say , it runs wihtout a menu bar, and has very few keyboard shortcuts. 16:50:51 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 16:53:12 <\oren\> Oh, and it lets me turn off font blurring 16:53:13 ‰ 16:53:52 "font blurring" is the correct term for anti-aliasing, I presume? 16:54:02 <\oren\> yes. 16:54:08 why can't we all use pixel fonts 16:54:44 €‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ 16:54:55 boily? 16:55:05 your UTF-8 impl. is broken 16:55:27 it's not broken :D 16:55:50 <\oren\> I can do that too! “„†‡ˆŠ‹Œ 16:56:23 <\oren\> control shift gives you the upper bytes 16:56:58 ‚ˆŒ 16:57:16 so, what meaning are these supposed to have again? 16:57:27 does Ctrl-Shift-U then typing the codepoint in hex work for you guys? 16:57:48 Uh, yes. 16:57:59 䥗 16:58:04 ^ what is that? 16:58:14 fungot: Wꙮrship the multiꙮcular ꙮ! 16:58:15 boily: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the basis of sex in all matters covered by this directive also protect mr fatuzzo' s explanations about the long internal process involved in this area. on the eve of the european people do not leave their homes nor to work are preventing us from considering a new form of cooperation is the large-scale violation of intellectual property and investments. trade talks have already been me 16:58:22 gamemanj: a random kanji hth 16:58:26 <\oren\> 䥗 16:58:44 <\oren\> •ffef not working 16:59:40 I'm guessing this is the emoji for "injection needle": ሰ 17:02:43 "intellectual property" aka "we want more money" 17:03:45 <\oren\> ϯ 17:04:21 Is that a random character or a really fancy way of doing "^"? 17:04:42 <\oren\> Aha, hold down alt, then type numpad + followed by the hex code of the unicode char 17:05:07 <\oren\> then release alt 17:05:39 huh. typing in "cat" with 7 for "t" gives me '§'. 17:05:52 `unicode § 17:05:58 U+00A7 SECTION SIGN \ UTF-8: c2 a7 UTF-16BE: 00a7 Decimal: § \ § \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 17:05:59 <\oren\> ಧ 17:06:17 <\oren\> that's uca7 17:06:25 ok... 17:06:34 odd, it ignored the "c"? 17:06:49 <\oren\> § 17:06:59 <\oren\> appears so 17:06:59 ah, *don't* hold shift-ctrl during the actual typing of hex 17:07:10 <\oren\> unlike on windows 17:07:27 `unicode ಧ 17:07:31 U+0CA7 KANNADA LETTER DHA \ UTF-8: e0 b2 a7 UTF-16BE: 0ca7 Decimal: ಧ \ ಧ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) 17:07:34 <\oren\> interesting. the windows method requires flexible hands 17:08:27 Well, they had to address the market for three-handed aliens. 17:08:32 <\oren\> wait, so you typed control-shift-c? 17:08:53 <\oren\> isn't that copy on linux? 17:09:06 oren: Ctrl-Shift-U Ctrl-Shift-C Ctrl-Shift-A Ctrl-Shift-7 == uca7... and I'm not using a terminal. 17:09:22 But apparently it ignored the "c". 17:10:18 <\oren\> d06 is ആ 17:11:10 So apparently it didn't like me trying to enter in U+FFFFFFFF 17:11:24 and it gave nothing. 17:12:08 But apparently this is fine. 󿿿 17:12:24 <\oren\> `unidecode 󿿿 17:12:27 U+FFFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f3 bf bf bf UTF-16BE: dbbfdfff Decimal: 󿿿 \ 󿿿 (󿿿) \ Uppercase: U+FFFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) 17:13:08 <\oren\> well the maximum unicode character is 10ffff i think 17:13:41 <\oren\> `unidecode 􏿿 17:13:44 U+10FFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f4 8f bf bf UTF-16BE: dbffdfff Decimal: 􏿿 \ 􏿿 (􏿿) \ Uppercase: U+10FFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) 17:14:33 <\oren\> `unidecode 🿿 17:14:36 U+1FFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f bf bf UTF-16BE: d83fdfff Decimal: 🿿 \ 🿿 (🿿) \ Uppercase: U+1FFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) 17:14:53 <\oren\> yeah it won't do 11ffff 17:21:26 <\oren\> ooh, I can type ㍿ 17:33:00 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SCROLL CHICKEN). 17:42:31 jeeze we are such nerds 17:43:34 poster writes a whimsical example of what you shouldn't do, and then we start to bikeshed the details of the whimsical example in a comment thread 17:45:51 ? 17:46:28 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:46:39 hezzo38! 17:46:47 (or however boily does those) 17:49:31 ais523: Yes, that's true. 17:50:03 did I miss a message or something? 17:51:39 Is the guy in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3225 someone we'd seen before? 17:53:44 I don't recall any character like that... 17:55:28 Reminder: "uneventful" == "events are about to happen" 18:00:23 \oren\: SQUARE CORPORATION eh, so Square has their own codepoint 18:10:09 -!- xkapastel has joined. 18:11:16 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 18:19:26 -!- testTux has joined. 18:19:57 -!- testTux has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:22:36 -!- testTux has joined. 18:27:09 -!- testTux has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:32:38 -!- Galvatron has joined. 18:34:23 -!- Galvatron has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:45:04 Do you like this? 18:45:45 zzo38: What is this? 18:46:46 i found the most useful website in the history of useful websites 18:46:50 http://www.animefillerlist.com 18:46:51 I mean in general 18:49:22 gamemanj: ok 19:03:12 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 19:03:39 copumpkin: congratulations on the covariance 19:04:55 izabera: but... but I liked the filler... 19:05:00 shachaf: thanks! 19:05:05 I'm quite proud of it 19:05:07 gamemanj: where 19:05:33 i'm rewatching bleach and i'm after the first arc and i'm so glad i can skip the bount arc 19:05:51 izabera: IDK. I'm just saying that to see what possible response I get. 19:07:15 copumpkin: what if i caused a book to be delivered to you so you don't have to read dubious online versions of a short story 19:07:56 hah, I'd probably read it, but I could also just set aside time to read the online one. How long of a read is it? 19:08:33 All the good online versions have disappeared so now there are only terrible ones. 19:08:44 And how is "filler" classed? An episode may have no bearing on the "main" plot, but time still goes on, and at the theoretical end of the "main plot", it will have had no bearing on that fact. Importance is relative. 19:08:47 Anyway is this story even worth all the trouble I put into it? Probably not. 19:09:11 http://www.ibooksonline.com/88/Text/liking.html 19:09:36 There are on occasion differences between anime & manga continuities, and "filler" based on things not in the manga may actually be of more importance than it seems. 19:13:28 copumpkin: But the other stories in that book are good too. 19:13:47 copumpkin: So maybe you should read the whole book anyway. 19:19:00 gamemanj: can you come up with an example? 19:20:51 hah okay 19:20:56 how long is the whole book? 19:22:23 281 pages? 19:22:29 But it's all short stories. 19:25:13 -!- boily has joined. 19:25:19 @metar CYUL 19:25:19 CYUL 231800Z VRB04KT 30SM FEW240 25/03 A2995 RMK CI1 SLP143 DENSITY ALT 1200FT 19:25:31 such a beautiful day. it's summer at last! 19:26:40 I don't know where in VA copumpkin is. 19:26:43 @metar KORF 19:26:43 KORF 231816Z AUTO 03012KT 10SM SCT016 BKN022 OVC034 17/13 A2991 RMK AO2 T01670128 TSNO 19:27:07 shachaf: hah, gimme an amazon link and I'll throw it into my next ordr 19:27:31 @google stories of your life amazon 19:27:33 http://www.amazon.com/Stories-Your-Life-Others-Chiang/dp/1931520720 19:27:33 Title: Amazon.com: Stories of Your Life and Others (9781931520720): Ted Chiang: Books 19:27:35 hth 19:28:06 whoa, not released yet 19:28:08 ? 19:28:11 you were way ahead of your time 19:28:15 http://www.amazon.com/Stories-Your-Life-Others-Chiang/dp/1101972122?ie=UTF8&qid=&ref_=tmm_pap_swatch_0&sr= 19:28:45 Oh, I guess that's the paperback. 19:28:56 No, the other one is also a paperback. 19:28:59 I guess it's a new edition? 19:29:13 ah, it wasn't letting me buy the other one you linked to 19:29:13 This book is from 2002 or something. 19:30:40 -!- adu has joined. 19:32:10 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:32:22 only 17° in Norfolk? it's 1 000 km south from here! 19:32:56 @metar ENVA 19:32:57 ENVA 231820Z 29009KT 9999 FEW017 BKN025 08/05 Q1018 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 29014KT 19:33:23 copumpkin: Anyway my link is already available. 19:33:24 boily: So a megametre then? 19:33:35 shachaf: only second hand! 19:33:39 gamellomanj. nothing else. 19:33:53 ? 19:34:06 I suppose I could just get that 19:34:26 or wait another couple of weeks for the new edition 19:34:32 probabilistically I won't be reading it before then anyway 19:34:42 sptm 19:34:55 `? copumpkin 19:35:24 copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. 19:35:35 uh oh, that's out of date 19:43:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:44:15 copumpkin: can you prove you weren't born in the united states though 19:44:28 otherwise we're voting for you 19:44:57 Oh, and if you prove you're from England, then I'm tempted to vote for you in the next GE... 19:45:17 You'd be better than the current bunch of clowns and fools 19:45:28 whoa whoa whoa 19:45:42 General Elections are conducted by General Electric 19:45:45 ... 19:45:51 what 19:45:56 it's true 19:45:57 shachaf: nope, sorry 19:45:58 ... 19:46:04 Do you take me for an idiot? 19:46:08 I'm from BFVille Alambama 19:46:50 gamemanj, i take you as having a bad sense of sarcasm 19:46:59 copumpkin: did we ever talk about chu spaces hth 19:47:15 Phantom_Hoover: I assumed it was sarcastic before people started agreeing 19:52:04 Where's "BFVille"? 19:52:23 `? bfville 19:52:28 bfville? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:52:52 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:53:14 Well, wisdom doesn't know about it... so it probably doesn't exist. (The Quantum Rule Of Wisdom says that anything that does exist retrospectively has a wisdom entry.) 19:53:25 For example, 19:53:27 `? carrots 19:53:33 carrots? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:53:39 Carrots do not exist. 19:54:44 To be more precise, they stopped existing when a bunch of advertisers bought the last ones to take pictures to sell fake "carrot-like" food. 19:54:45 <\oren\> b_jonas: Chad is the guy who worked at the electronics store and declined to sell a microphone to a little girl 19:58:13 <\oren\> b_jonas: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3132 19:58:40 \oren\: ah, thanks! 19:59:04 Is it just me or did a QC update appear in between a few hours ago and now 19:59:14 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:00:10 \oren\: no wait, that can't work 20:00:41 \oren\: Chad in #3132 has brown eyes, and the guy in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3225 has blue eyes. that's unlikely to have changed in the art upgrade 20:01:01 I know I don't normally look at eye color, but in this case I have to 20:01:24 Answer: Actor died, they replaced him, different eye colour. Don't question it. 20:01:39 (This is quite obviously wrong.) 20:02:00 gamemanj: not likely. unlike me, most people do care about eye color, so they'd use contact lenses or hire a different actor or post-process his eyes with computer. 20:03:51 Another idea: Aha! Chad is a hallucination, and thus not consistent! 20:04:16 also, beard 20:04:48 Hallucination. Not consistent. 20:04:48 it's not much, but Chad had facial hair. 20:05:06 gamemanj: I don't believe in you. 20:05:22 And yet I'm still here! Isn't continuity amazing? 20:05:41 Also inertia. 20:05:55 `? nitia 20:05:58 nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her. 20:06:11 I have to admit that inertia is kind of cool. 20:06:39 Well, where would all of those "ship floating dramatically through space" shots be without it? 20:07:01 Or planets, or the Sun. 20:07:18 Where would they be? Who knows... 20:07:28 They'd be very stuck! 20:07:38 Or jumping around wildly. 20:08:19 int-e: Anything on the prisoner puzzle? 20:08:48 Meh. The particulates that would otherwise bounce them around would probably have vacated the area long ago. 20:08:53 * int-e is just getting away from work. 20:09:16 * gamemanj pretends to be a labyrinth guard between int-e and int-e's domicile 20:11:00 you need to put up some more substantial obstacle than a few pixels on my screen if you want to have any significant effect. 20:12:36 int-e: If I am pretending to be a labyrinth guard, of one of the 3 varieties in which one always tells the truth, one always lies, and the last one flips a coin and bases their answer on that, and I tell you the door into your house is actually a portal into a land full of deadly lions... what would you do? 20:14:17 fungot, if gamemanj is pretending to be a labyrinth guard, of one of the 3 varieties in which one always tells the truth, one always lies, and the last one flips a coin and bases their answer on that, and I tell you the door into your house is actually a portal into a land full of deadly lions... what would you do? 20:14:18 b_jonas: i should like to say to our american partners a ceiling on compensation payments paid to workers. nevertheless, the committee on constitutional affairs has taken on huge proportions and catch the public imagination. i think it is truly deplorable that this should happen, that mr fava and mrs sanders-ten holte, first of all say that things have changed in afghanistan, they were able to arrive on time. 20:15:06 * gamemanj gives up pretending to be a labyrinth guard... 20:15:15 * gamemanj instead pretends to be a hyacinth. (What's a hyacinth? I don't know.) 20:15:36 `? hyacinth 20:15:41 hyacinth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:16:23 `ftoc 187 20:16:26 187.00°F = 86.11°C 20:16:40 gamemanj: a kind of flower hth 20:16:40 `ftoc 100 20:16:41 100.00°F = 37.78°C 20:17:23 (In other news, they can't decide how hot a degree is...) 20:17:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:17:46 * gamemanj jumps in a flowerpot 20:18:18 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:21:21 -!- nycs has joined. 20:24:13 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:25:19 -!- mind4est has joined. 20:25:38 -!- mind4est has left ("Leaving"). 20:30:02 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:31:42 -!- `^_^v has joined. 20:38:46 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:43:19 gamemanj: Are you a pot of petunias? I've read that those can turn into sperm whales. 20:43:34 Or maybe vice versa, it's been a while. 20:43:55 (no - I'm a pot containing hyacinth.) 20:44:07 Too bad, I know nothing about those. 20:44:42 Otoh that may improve your expected life span in the vicinity of Arthur. 20:44:45 (*added to TODO : hitchhike on the back of a large whale.) 20:46:10 (...interrupted task TODO:2016...! : busy doing task OFF... interrupted task OFF... busy doing task ZZO38CPU... interrupted task ZZO38CPU... busy doing task UNK283... interrupted task UNK283... busy doing TODO:2016...) 20:46:14 It appears I'm not remembering things correctly. 20:46:25 (at this rate I'm going to give up trying to keep track of my TODOs) 20:46:46 The sperm whale was related to, but not the same entity as, the pot of petunias. 20:47:15 (Did they happen to have a previous form in the shape of a missile and another missile respectively?) 20:47:31 '"Then what's happened to the missiles?" he said. [...] "They would appear," said Ford doubtfully, "to have turned into a bowl of petunias and a very surprised looking whale ..." 20:48:50 anyway, prisoners, hmm 20:49:18 -!- `^_^v has joined. 20:51:16 -!- `^_^v has quit (Client Quit). 20:54:04 shachaf: why did you ask? 20:55:58 int-e: rntz asked 20:56:24 ok, but I knew that. 20:56:25 :P 20:58:13 `? troll 20:58:16 it's not so hard to come up with strategies but I have no clue how to get expected values out of them. 20:58:18 troll? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:58:33 what 20:58:42 `le/rn troll/These are not the trolls you are looking for. 20:58:50 Learned «troll» 21:00:00 `? yeti 21:00:03 yeti? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:00:46 `? sasquatch 21:00:46 `` sed -i s/troll/yeti/ wisdom/troll; mv wisdom/troll wisdom/yeti 21:01:09 it's still bad, but better with the pun :-P 21:01:20 No output. 21:01:22 sasquatch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:03:02 `? yeti 21:03:04 These are not the yetis you are looking for. 21:03:53 `? tungsten 21:03:55 tungsten? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:04:30 `? palladium 21:04:32 palladium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:04:35 `? platinum 21:04:37 platinum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:04:37 `? iridium 21:04:39 iridium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:05:46 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:07:32 ``` cd wisdom && find -iname "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um" 21:07:35 No output. 21:09:36 -iname uses globs 21:09:42 yeah, | doesn't work 21:09:42 | matches a literal | 21:10:04 use -iname pattern1 -o -iname pattern2 21:10:21 ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say for glob split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"' 21:10:23 9 21:10:28 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:10:31 what 21:10:36 ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say $_ for glob split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"' 21:10:37 9 21:10:40 huh 21:10:46 ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say join " ", glob split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"' 21:10:47 9 21:11:01 ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say join " ", map glob, split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"' 21:11:06 extreme ironing extreme irony iron general accounting estin latin poutine procrastination te sting testing trisecting the angle webcarting amnesium corium lorem ipsum qzyzzalroum rhenium 21:11:11 better 21:11:17 `? extreme irony 21:11:19 Extreme irony is what happens when you get a Darwin award for extreme ironing. 21:11:45 `? te sting 21:11:47 This is horrible? 21:11:56 `? estin 21:11:57 estin didn't believe in automation. 21:12:06 `? corium 21:12:08 Corium is the material that a nuclear reactor's core dump is made of. 21:12:10 `? qzuzzalorum 21:12:11 qzuzzalorum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:12:12 `? rhenium 21:12:14 Rhenium is a precious metal. It can be found nowhere in Earth because the Enemy has used up all of it for forging the One Ring. 21:12:35 `? qzizzalroum 21:12:37 qzizzalroum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:12:45 `` ls wisdom/q* 21:12:48 wisdom/qdb \ wisdom/quadrilateral \ wisdom/quebec \ wisdom/québec \ wisdom/quine \ wisdom/quintopia \ wisdom/quit \ wisdom/quote \ wisdom/quoteformat \ wisdom/qzyzzalroum 21:13:03 `? qzyzzalroum 21:13:04 You should start the crossword over. 21:13:21 * boily needs to update the PDF again... 21:14:59 boily: why bother, there's not much new wisdom entries apart from my silly ones 21:15:17 `wisdom 21:15:18 `wisdom 21:15:18 `wisdom 21:15:18 `wisdom 21:15:19 `wisdom 21:15:55 b_jonas: the Wisdom is Universal. and Silly. it's Universilly hth 21:16:00 al gore//Al Gore invented the algorithm and the internet. 21:16:04 char//Char is a prominent component of charcoal. 21:16:05 hellochaf. please don't molest HackEgo hth 21:16:08 No output. 21:16:10 duck//Duck typing means typing on a terminal blinding without an echo. 21:16:12 jit//JIT is just in time. 21:17:40 boily: i don't think that's a good analogy to use here 21:18:39 `? monoids 21:18:42 Monoids are just categories with single objects. 21:20:21 * boily doesn't use the analogy 21:20:48 metaphor 21:21:15 `? analogy 21:21:17 `? metaphor 21:21:17 analogy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:21:18 metaphor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:22:21 `? hyperbole 21:22:23 hyperbole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:26:52 -!- irctc796 has joined. 21:26:55 Hello 21:27:00 anybody here? 21:27:06 is this a real chat? 21:27:22 oh shit this is so boring 21:27:23 bye bye 21:27:26 `welcome irctc796 21:27:29 bye bye 21:27:30 irctc796: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 21:31:34 -!- irctc796 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:39:31 I thought one way I should to do high resolution is the high mode bit controls double horizontal and double vertical resolution frame rate but monochrome, enabling a separate output circuit, that can output four pixels in place of just one. So it is 1280x960 resolution. Some other stuff is also changed in such mode. 21:39:52 (Some of these other changes allow to make more tiles per line) 21:41:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:41:46 `? in 21:41:48 In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. 21:45:59 `? ᛁᚾ 21:46:00 ​ᛁᚾ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:46:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:49:11 `? -- --- .-. ... . 21:49:13 ​-- --- .-. ... .? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:49:33 `? morse 21:49:34 morse? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:51:30 `le/rn morse/- .... . / .-- .- .-.. .-. ..- ... / .. ... / .- / .-.. .- .-. --. . / ..-. .-.. .. .--. .--. . .-. . -.. / -- .- .-. .. -. . / -- .- -- -- .- .-.. 21:51:34 Learned «morse» 21:52:18 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:58:39 `le/rn morse/-- ..- .-. ... ..- / --- -. / ... ..- ..- .-. .. -.- --- -.- --- .. -. . -. / ..-. . ... .. . .-.. .-.- -- .-.- .-.- -. / ... --- .--. . ..- - ..- -. ..- - / .- .-. -.- - .. -. . -. / -. ... .-.- -.- .-.- ... .-.. .- .--- .. 21:58:43 Relearned «morse» 21:59:03 better. at least it has mursu. 22:02:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:11:50 hppävellön[1]. 22:13:07 `quote 22:13:08 `quote 22:13:08 `quote 22:13:09 `quote 22:13:09 `quote 22:13:19 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:13:32 1040) your first mistake was making your second mistake 22:13:34 508) It is like the Holocaust but with Nazis. 22:13:38 915) as long as you're in company where no-one knows both, you can always say either "that's just like welsh ll" or "that's just like klingon tlh" 22:13:38 314) I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand. 22:13:39 284) esperanto is just spanish with a diarrhea 22:16:02 I like 1040 22:16:22 it reminds me of timing issues in NetHack 22:18:54 What timing issues? 22:19:01 Has anybody implemented an emulator for https://xkcd.com/1442/ yet?? 22:19:26 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:19:57 emu later, alligator 22:20:51 * boily thwacks shachaf 22:21:13 come on 22:22:58 okay, simulation indicates that I can get the prisoners out after 21k visits to the room... and I have no clue what I'm doing exactly, so it's very likely that this is still far from optimal. 22:23:12 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:23:14 rntz: ^^ 22:24:07 Random order, no counting days, everyone uses same strategy? 22:24:13 yes 22:24:24 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:25:26 -!- augur has joined. 22:27:05 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 22:27:11 http://sprunge.us/EHdZ is my "framework" 22:29:22 amulets of regeneration boost metabolism. does the same thing happen with amulets of magic regeneration? 22:30:36 Do amulets of restful sleep boost somnambulism? 22:31:32 `learn ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ 22:31:41 Learned 'ᛁᚿ': ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ 22:31:55 come on 22:31:57 Does someone know unicode encoding of futhark of different ages and can help with the encoding of some particular letters? 22:32:17 shachaf: that link was for you ... it embodies the rules that I implemented :) 22:32:43 Yes, I saw. 22:33:03 The original writing is in https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre/Chapitre_2 , with the transcription to latin letters in https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre/Chapitre_3 and the decoding of the cipher in https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre/Chapitre_5 22:33:19 Hmm, is the problem solvable if you don't know N? 22:33:26 nope 22:34:07 Right. Makes sense. 22:34:21 ouch, that's truncated 22:34:28 `? ᛁᚿ 22:34:30 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:34:40 Oh, you're starting the light off. 22:34:57 ``` >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ 22:34:58 bash: $'\341\233\205\341\233\213.': command not found 22:35:08 ``` >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ 'ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ' 22:35:09 bash: $'\341\233\205\341\233\213. \341\232\264\341\232\256\341\232\246 \341\232\240\341\233\205\341\232\264\341\233\201. \341\233\206\341\233\246\341\232\277\341\233\205 \341\233\213\341\233\206\341\232\264\341\232\277\341\232\242\341\233\213\341\233\213\341\233\205\341\233\257': command not found 22:35:15 ``` >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo 'ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ' 22:35:18 No output. 22:35:21 `? ᛁᚿ 22:35:24 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:35:30 is it too long for an irk line? 22:35:52 ``` sed 's/^.{300}// wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:35:53 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 22:35:55 shachaf: Perhaps if you change the problem to getting out with at least 99.99% certainty... so the real problem becomes statistically establishing how many prisoners there are in total... of course that's totally different in flavor from the original. 22:35:58 ``` sed 's/^.{300}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:35:59 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:36:13 ``` sed 's/^.{200}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:36:14 b_jonas: It's probably too long for a HackEgo line, maybe also for an IRC line as well. 22:36:15 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:36:25 what 22:36:29 ``` sed 's/^.{200,210}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:36:30 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:36:39 From this perspective, your original comment ended in "--gᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ" 22:36:46 fizzie: yes, that looks fine 22:37:02 ``` sed 's/^.\{300\}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:37:03 ​›á›¦á›… ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ \ ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ 22:37:16 ouch, appended twice 22:37:18 let's start again 22:37:38 can you use `fetch? 22:37:46 ``` echo 'ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ' > wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:37:50 No output. 22:37:57 I'm guessing it was just fine after the original learn, just truncated on output. 22:38:00 ``` echo 'ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ ' >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:38:08 No output. 22:38:10 `? ᛁᚿ 22:38:13 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ 22:38:28 ``` sed 's/^.\{250\}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:38:30 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ 22:38:46 ``` sed 's/^.\{250,255\}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:38:47 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ 22:38:51 what again? 22:39:18 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/5bc430607e2b was the initial `learn. 22:39:25 It looks to me to contain everything you said. 22:39:36 ``` perl -e '$_=; print $_' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:39:38 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ 22:39:39 int-e: Right. 22:39:45 ``` perl -e '$_=; print substr $_,200' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:39:47 ​š¿áš¦á›†á›‹ 22:39:53 ``` perl -e '$_=; print substr $_,201' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:39:55 ​¿áš¦á›†á›‹ 22:39:58 ``` perl -e '$_=; print substr $_,202' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:40:00 ​ᚦᛆᛋ 22:40:03 huh 22:40:13 ``` perl -v 22:40:16 ​ \ This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 88 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2011, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit 22:40:24 argh 22:40:36 someone help 22:40:37 anyway 22:41:33 I'd like to know if the two different looking runes used for c/k are different characters, whether ᛯ is the right encoding for the mm, what the encodings are for the g rune, the comma and the dot (those might not be runes actually), whether the strange shape for the a in the "attinges" is significant, 22:41:50 and how to encode the d rune for which I used ᚦ here 22:42:12 Someone who knows their futhark please help. 22:42:27 ``` cat wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:42:29 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ 22:42:59 b_jonas: I think you might be spamming the channel a bit. 22:43:14 Why do you want this wisdom entry in the first place? 22:43:16 shachaf: yeah, I know, but if I try to learn outside the channel then you get annoyed for that 22:43:26 shachaf: it's a nice inscription, and sounds wise 22:44:09 ``` echo "${!PERL@}" 22:44:10 No output. 22:44:45 but I'll try verifying the entry in private 22:46:58 oh, I see 22:47:01 I got a newline in there 22:47:19 ``` >wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo 'ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ' 22:47:23 No output. 22:47:33 ``` >>wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo 'ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ ' 22:47:37 No output. 22:47:44 ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=;print $t' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:47:45 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ 22:47:48 ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=;print substr$t,300' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:47:49 ​ᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ 22:47:53 no no no 22:47:57 ``` >wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo -n 'ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ' 22:47:59 No output. 22:48:04 ``` >>wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo -n 'ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ ' 22:48:06 No output. 22:48:09 ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=;print $t' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:48:11 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:48:13 ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=;print substr$t,300' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ 22:48:15 ​›á›¦á›… ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ 22:48:19 `? ᛁᚿ 22:48:21 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 22:48:23 that's better 23:01:53 ...wat 23:02:45 hppavilion[1]: what what 23:03:27 hppavilion[1]: it's the secret message from the Jules Verne novel, and I'm asking esochannel for help with the unicode encoding and stuff 23:06:29 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:20:20 -!- zzo38 has quit (Disconnected by services). 23:20:32 -!- zzo38 has joined. 23:24:00 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:25:53 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SWEDISH CHICKEN). 23:28:46 -!- adu has joined. 23:31:14 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:35:46 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 23:39:31 int-e: oh wow, that was fast. 23:40:21 int-e: hm, looks like my best solution so far averages about 16k steps to free the prisoners 23:41:33 neat. do you allow the prisoners to add their own randomness to the process? 23:41:43 ... add their own randomness? 23:41:51 the prisoners actions are entirely deterministic 23:42:10 (it shouldn't make a huge difference anyway) 23:42:12 do you use a randomized strategy? that would be interesting 23:42:29 no, it's deterministic so far. 23:43:30 (the reason that it won't make a huge difference is that the light bulb serves as a random input anyway, in the beginning) 23:43:54 hm? I'm not quite understanding you. the light bulb always starts off 23:44:12 not from the perspective of an individual prisoner 23:44:14 are you suggesting the prisoners can imitate a randomized strategy using a prng seeded from the state of the light they see? 23:44:26 yes 23:44:29 ahh 23:45:29 I'm not really doing that either... 23:46:05 well, wanna trade solutions? 23:46:21 no, but you can see mine if you like 23:46:53 (no = not yet) 23:46:57 ah, you don't like spoilers :P 23:47:34 sure, go ahead and explain yours (or link code, I suppose) 23:48:58 oh... found another knob to tweak.. that helped a lot. 23:49:05 -!- shachaf_ has joined. 23:49:23 oh? 23:49:45 below 16k now :) 23:51:03 how far below? 23:51:05 -!- shachaf has quit (Disconnected by services). 23:51:10 -!- shachaf_ has changed nick to shachaf. 23:52:03 -!- atriq has joined. 23:52:10 -!- caradow has joined. 23:52:12 -!- Hooloo42 has joined. 23:52:20 atriq or two 23:52:27 -!- Lymee has joined. 23:52:28 -!- cnr_ has joined. 23:52:35 -!- Tiktailk has joined. 23:53:23 -!- Effilry has joined. 23:53:27 -!- Lymia has quit (Disconnected by services). 23:53:31 -!- Lymee has changed nick to Lymia. 23:53:34 -!- zzo38 has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- xkapastel has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- feliks has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- FireFly has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- izabera has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- Taneb has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- carado has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- Tiktalik has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- xfix has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- zgrep has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:34 -!- cnr has quit (*.net *.split). 23:53:46 -!- cnr_ has changed nick to cnr. 23:54:01 -!- cnr has quit (Changing host). 23:54:01 -!- cnr has joined. 23:55:17 -!- Effilry has changed nick to FireFly. 23:55:49 > sort "FireFly" 23:55:51 "FFeilry" 23:56:02 rntz: sorry, experimenting. 15400ish 23:56:09 > sort "firefly" 23:56:11 "effilry" 23:56:59 > sort "phantom hoover" 23:57:00 " aehhmnoooprtv" 23:57:00 hm. interesting! I am around 15690 (average of 500 runs with 100 prisoners) 23:57:06 -!- xfix has joined. 23:57:08 those are... suspiciously close, but could be coincidence 2016-05-24: 00:02:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:09:02 I'm trying to get to 2^20 trials, then pick those parameters and paste :) 00:09:35 How much state do your prisoners have? 00:09:41 two counters 00:10:07 Counters that go up to N? 00:10:59 one is unbounded, but it shouldn't hurt much if it gets truncated at some constant multiple of N anyway. 00:14:22 two counters? interesting 00:14:43 -!- adu has joined. 00:16:23 and we have a winner, http://sprunge.us/JgAh 00:16:47 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:18:27 (there's further room for tweaking but it'll become messy) 00:19:15 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:21:45 what is the purpose of `dark'? 00:22:11 it started out as a counter that counted how often the room was dark since the last light... 00:22:58 it's still related to that, but basically it acts as a weight that determines how much the prisoner acts as a count. 00:23:14 I have no good intuition for how this works! 00:23:17 do you have a proof that this never gets stuck? 00:23:32 (given that it completed 1048576 runs w/o getting stuck, it seems like it must be very unlikely) 00:24:05 as long as the light bulb is off, all 'dark' counters increase, so eventually one of the tokens > 1+dark tests must fail. 00:24:14 aha 00:24:15 so tokens keep moving and it'll terminate with probability 1. 00:24:17 fair nuff 00:24:50 handwaving, but that's one aspect I do understand well enough to be confident about it 00:24:51 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:25:09 -!- Elronnd has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:26:58 I don't do your dark-tracking-to-determine-whether-I-count stuff; we share two optimizations; and I have one optimization you don't 00:27:00 -!- ais523 has quit. 00:27:12 actually there's a second aspect to it that's more subtle: as long as all dark counters are big, the same token will be passed on and on until one of the counters becomes small enough to be kept. 00:28:08 so not all counters can become large. 00:29:30 oh, hm, oh, I totally misunderstood your strategy 00:29:48 so depending on your dark-counter you either give try to tokens away or to accept them? 00:30:30 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:30:32 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Alas.). 00:30:32 -!- hydraz has quit (Quit: Bai.). 00:31:14 yes. 00:31:31 -!- feliks has joined. 00:31:32 hm. how do you know this can't somehow endlessly slosh back and forth between two prisoners? 00:32:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:32:22 hm, I suppose the randomness of the warden prevents that 00:32:28 oh it definitely can do that. but it's also possible that some prisoner will never be called to the room 00:32:49 so I thought probability 1 assuming a random warden is good enough. 00:32:49 yeah, it's an unavoidable problem :P 00:32:52 yes 00:33:01 probability 1 assuming random warden was my intended interpretation 00:33:05 -!- Elronnd has joined. 00:38:50 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 00:44:10 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:48:26 right, there's another thing... good for shaving off about 600 rounds 00:50:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:55:39 -!- Hooloo42 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:58:45 rntz: so final version for tonight: http://sprunge.us/OWPH 01:01:09 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 01:04:32 -!- shikhin has joined. 01:04:51 -!- devhydraz has joined. 01:04:52 -!- devhydraz has quit (Changing host). 01:04:52 -!- devhydraz has joined. 01:05:38 -!- devhydraz has changed nick to hydraz. 01:07:01 int-e: aha, you found my optimization, I think 01:07:10 (the dropped/accepting code) 01:07:52 or, perhaps, remembered... 01:08:10 int-e: Did you publish a paper about this or something? 01:08:35 You're referenced in https://www.math.washington.edu/~morrow/336_11/papers/yisong.pdf 01:10:00 It's not a paper; the reference is from the Dehaye/Ford/Segerman paper, "Newsgroup rec.puzzles, available through http://groups.google.com, July 2002" 01:10:34 Ah. 01:11:11 I suppose it's https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.puzzles/zkzEEfzqtis/w3pR8g1TJmEJ 01:11:47 Huh. That sounds like an interesting problem 01:12:09 > sort "sortfly" 01:12:10 "florsty" 01:12:13 rntz: anyway I'm fairly happy now... it's getting quite close to the 10418 number that you get by assigning a dedicated count. 01:12:24 -!- xkapastel has joined. 01:13:10 rntz: also I'm interested in your strategy now 01:16:48 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:17:02 shachaf: that looks right 01:17:38 What is wrong with it? 01:18:04 With what? 01:18:35 I like 1040 ← yes, it is very truthy 01:19:00 -!- izabera has joined. 01:20:09 -!- zgrep has joined. 01:21:55 olsner: the deadline for 1040 was apr 15 hth 01:23:38 `? 1040 01:23:46 shachaf: ok 01:23:52 1040? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:24:02 oh well, why shouldn't we all know about US tax forms... 01:26:27 -!- wibblewobble has joined. 01:26:33 -!- wibblewobble has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:34:03 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 01:38:22 -!- wibblewobble has joined. 01:39:00 -!- wibblewobble has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:43:11 -!- wibblewobble has joined. 01:43:19 -!- wibblewobble has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:50:54 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:01:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:11:11 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 02:19:32 -!- wibblewobble has joined. 02:19:42 -!- wibblewobble has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:20:26 you were way ahead of your time <-- if it's the story i think, this is quite appropriate hth 02:21:03 -!- wibblewobble has joined. 02:21:21 -!- wibblewobble has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:21:32 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 02:22:03 oerjan: are you thinking of _Story of Your Life_ 02:22:09 shachaf: naturally 02:22:26 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b *!~wibblewob@yakamo.org$##fixyourconnection. 02:22:44 looks like someone wibble-wobbled a little too much 02:22:48 indeed. 02:22:53 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 02:24:08 shachaf: i was assuming that one story would be included in the book. 02:24:17 it is included 02:35:17 oerjan: Have you read his other stories? 02:35:20 They're TG. 02:56:54 nope. 02:57:45 oerjan: well maybe i should send you a copy of the book instead hth 03:00:39 -!- adu has joined. 03:04:16 copumpkin: Oh, "Soon to be a major motion picture". That's why there's a new edition. 03:04:48 copumpkin: so you'd better hurry up and read it if you want to stay ahead of the hipster curve hth 03:14:24 what book 03:15:48 _Stories of Your Life and Others_ by Ted Chiang 03:18:18 shachaf: twnh hth 03:18:32 that would now help? 03:19:11 * oerjan hits shachaf with the saucepan ===\__/ 03:19:17 also, i'm hungry. 03:19:32 too bad you use your saucepan for hitting rather than for sauce 03:19:54 i don't cook much. 03:20:18 ======\ / 03:20:20 \__/ 03:22:07 You know, I always figured the saucepan was a skillet. 03:22:15 But I guess it's actually a saucepan. 03:22:43 I guess I thought that because of your skill at hitting people with it. 03:40:10 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:40:55 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:43:29 -!- Melvar has joined. 03:44:11 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:47:09 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:49:34 Hello, somehow there seem to be problem with this internet today and restarting the router fixed it, hopefully it is OK by now. 03:50:05 The ping timeout did display on my computer though before it stopped; I did not get a connection error. 03:54:05 -!- adu has joined. 04:07:24 -!- primo has joined. 04:17:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:29:01 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 05:34:52 I am looking at the EM computer architecture it looks good so far 05:37:10 EM? 05:38:36 I don't know what the letters stand for. 05:39:23 It is described in a report titled "DESCRIPTION OF A MACHINE ARCHITECTURE FOR USE WITH BLOCK STRUCTURED LANGUAGES". 05:46:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:49:08 It is a virtual machine code and does not require any particular floating point representation. 06:14:33 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:15:21 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 06:15:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:16:04 spämmi 06:18:27 (apparently making up finnish-sounding words works retroactively, who knew) 06:19:19 -!- primo has left ("Leaving"). 06:21:12 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:24:09 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:59:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:15:14 -!- ocharles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:18:03 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 07:24:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:26:21 -!- yorick has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 07:27:36 -!- yorick has joined. 07:27:36 -!- yorick has quit (Changing host). 07:27:36 -!- yorick has joined. 07:32:50 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:57:26 `card-by-name intervene 07:57:29 `card-by-name confound 07:57:45 Confound \ 1U \ Instant \ Counter target spell that targets one or more creatures. \ Draw a card. \ PS-C 07:57:45 Intervene \ U \ Instant \ Counter target spell that targets a creature. \ UL-C 08:06:14 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:12:01 -!- sebbu has joined. 08:15:39 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:39:42 -!- zadock has joined. 08:40:37 -!- zadock has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:48:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:01:38 -!- infinitymaster has joined. 09:02:16 -!- infinitymaster has quit (Client Quit). 09:13:24 -!- caradow has changed nick to carado. 09:19:24 hah, I missed a key optimization yesterday... now I get fewer than 11200 rounds for the prisoners. 09:19:59 (bragging was urgent... details later :-P) 10:10:09 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:18:31 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:19:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 10:42:14 rntz, shachaf: http://sprunge.us/UETC ... I also added comments. 11:02:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:05:12 -!- boily has joined. 11:14:50 ah, if somebody's already been to the room, you can become a donor 11:14:56 good point 11:26:54 -!- ybden has joined. 11:29:34 @massages-loud 11:29:34 You don't have any messages 11:56:33 -!- atriq has quit (Disconnected by services). 11:56:42 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:14:13 Tanelle. how many exams today? 12:15:38 -!- xkapastel has joined. 12:19:11 `relcome xkapastel 12:19:29 ​xkapastel: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 12:23:31 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRIANGULAR CHICKEN). 13:46:43 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:47:58 -!- Deewiant has joined. 13:56:30 `? impossible 13:56:32 `? rhyme 13:56:53 rhyme? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:56:53 impossible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:02:49 -!- Akaibu has joined. 14:15:41 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:42:54 zzo38: in M:tG, do you happen to know why Intervene and Confound are templated differently? As far as I can tell, the first abilities are functionally identical and there's no reason for them to have different wording. 14:51:10 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:58:46 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:59:27 `xkcdwhatiflist 14:59:28 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: xkcdwhatiflist: not found 15:01:38 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:32:24 `? mtg 15:32:25 mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:32:31 `? magic: the gathering 15:32:33 magic: the gathering? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:32:36 `? m:tg 15:32:38 m:tg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:32:43 Is this bot case-sensitive? 15:36:24 I don't think bin/? is. 15:37:18 `? MAgiC 15:37:20 The magic was in you all along. 15:37:23 Looks case-insensitive to me. 15:42:06 -!- gamemanj has joined. 15:42:37 -!- izabera has quit (*.net *.split). 15:42:37 -!- hydraz has quit (*.net *.split). 15:42:37 -!- myndzi has quit (*.net *.split). 15:42:37 -!- mtve has quit (*.net *.split). 15:53:32 -!- spiette has joined. 16:22:48 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:40:18 -!- izabera has joined. 16:40:18 -!- hydraz has joined. 16:40:18 -!- myndzi has joined. 16:40:18 -!- mtve has joined. 16:53:33 -!- f10d4 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:57:07 I must realy like brainfuck, as I've written at least 3 compilers and 2 interpreters for it over 5 different PLs. 16:57:49 brainfuck is like othello: it's simple to compile it, but to master compiling it is difficult... 16:59:18 but can you actually write programs in it? 17:04:53 izabera: Someone wrote a compiler in it, so it's possible. https://github.com/matslina/awib 17:05:10 I personally wrote a cat program in it. 17:05:22 i didn't say someone 17:05:24 i said you 17:10:58 izabera: Depends on how complicated the program is. 17:11:36 a program that doubles a number i entered in base 10 17:13:10 izabera: Then yes. 17:13:28 and then makes a coffee 17:15:34 izabera: Only if I add a compiler extension, but then it wouldn't follow the standard. 17:16:24 -!- f10d4 has joined. 17:17:38 wrong... 17:17:53 just pipe the output of the program to /dev/coffeemachine 17:18:40 gamemanj: But then you'd be programming in some derivative of sh. 17:18:50 whaa 17:19:13 Well, sh would simply connect the programs together. Pipes themselves are language-independant 17:19:44 so all sh would be doing is initializing the environment 17:20:00 and if initializing the environment counts, 17:20:10 then as the console is also given to the program by sh... 17:20:21 you can't really win ^.^; 17:20:41 Unless you're init 17:20:53 In which case the environment is "initialized" by... the linux kernel. 17:21:33 Or the OpenBSD kernel, or the FreeBSD kernel, or... you get the point. 17:22:11 You can't even win with bare-metal assembly - the environment is initialized by the processor and/or BIOS. 17:22:50 FPGAs? The programmer & circuit board. A bunch of transistors? The arrangement counts as an initialized environment... 17:23:31 lambda-11235: What you're programming in is relative. 17:29:36 gamemanj: Unfortunately I don't have /dev/coffee installed, or a coffee machine for that matter. 17:30:30 In which case, the nature of pipes means you can simply swap out /dev/coffee for the NetHack /dev/coffee Implementation Patch. 17:30:43 (Built using CUSE, of course.) 17:34:35 Hmm, I wonder how serious github is about letting me have an unlimited number of repos. 17:34:45 uhoh... 17:43:45 oerjan: The magic was in you all along? 17:46:26 b_jonas: nice work on the zzo38 computer spec, BTW :) 17:55:39 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:09:15 -!- gamemanj has joined. 18:58:43 b_jonas: It looks like identical to me too and I don't know. Possibly due to historical reasons and the text hasn't been updated because it does not need to be. 18:59:16 how is it I keep only hearing half of conversations? 19:05:21 gamemanj: Possibly the messages are far apart and you did not read it 19:05:33 (It happens to me too of course) 19:05:55 Well, I joined at 15:42:07. 19:06:26 (I checked logs during my a-few-minutes downtime 19:07:02 Since 15:42:07, there have been 0 messages from b_jonas... so I should probably read more logs. 19:40:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:43:55 rntz: huh, the "5 is experimentally best" claim is wrong... it's 6 that gives the average quoted at the top... must have mised up my experiments. 19:47:51 -!- ybden has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:48:31 -!- ybden has joined. 19:56:33 -!- augur has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 19:57:07 -!- Kaynato has joined. 20:14:42 -!- ybden has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:15:20 -!- ybden has joined. 20:45:18 -!- augur has joined. 21:52:23 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:08:19 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 22:14:40 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:27:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:38:44 -!- moon_ has joined. 22:39:04 b_jonas? 22:39:07 u here? 22:41:08 `? u 22:41:22 u monad? 22:41:29 `? the u 22:41:35 The U are a very mad people. 22:41:37 HackEgo: WHY? 22:41:43 `culprits wisdom/u 22:41:52 oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia 22:41:58 `` hg log wisdom/u 22:42:04 changeset: 0:e037173e0012 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Feb 16 19:42:32 2012 +0000 \ summary: Initial import. 22:43:27 -!- centrinia has joined. 22:44:43 I had the idea of making a esolang where the only form of data manipulation is by 'folding' and 'unfolding' the data tape to increment and decrement values 22:45:29 each fold goes along the tape until it reaches a 'seam' which it stops at 22:45:49 The direction of a fold depends on the direction of the instruction pointer 22:46:00 which can be either left or right 22:46:32 Origami Tape, hmm. 22:47:37 im thinking about adding velocitys (and overshooting the seam) to the mix 22:47:41 but i dont think i should 22:47:49 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 22:49:59 what do you think int-e? 22:52:09 that question is too philosophical for me right now. 22:52:22 Well ima make it 22:52:38 name is simple too :P 'fold' 22:53:29 actually, even better: make it 3d 22:53:33 *2d 22:53:37 just 2d 22:54:03 Actually, ill stick to 1d for ease of implentation, i might try 2d later 23:02:45 hi fizzie 23:04:33 quiet in here 23:15:18 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:15:34 the wiki wont let me publish 23:15:53 can somene publish this for me? http://pastebin.com/zsknMxvN 23:17:09 hia hppavilion[1] 23:17:24 helloon_ 23:18:48 can you publish that for me? 23:20:13 "Won't let"? 23:20:24 yea, the wiki is refusing to publish 23:20:44 Could you unpack that a little. 23:20:58 As in, what is it doing instead. 23:21:03 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:21:36 showing me the preview, and i am a hundred precent certain i have hit the publish button and not the preview one, for 20 times in a row now 23:21:55 Does it have any sort of an error message anywhere on the page? 23:22:37 No 23:23:56 apparently my cookies are off and i never, ever turn them off 23:24:01 something is up here 23:24:28 Hmm. 23:24:36 It did say that to me as well. 23:24:45 wiki's broken 23:24:54 apparently 23:24:55 I vaguely recall it doing something similar before. Possibly something to do with the session storage. 23:25:02 what fun 23:25:36 anyways.. i came up with the idea for a language that uses 'folds' in the tape to represent data 23:25:38 Hmm. 23:25:46 memcached has been killed by the OOM killer. 23:25:57 OOM? 23:26:02 Out-of-memory. 23:26:03 total used free shared buffers cached 23:26:03 Mem: 2010 1910 99 43 29 120 23:26:07 That's not very good. 23:26:26 and we dont have gregor to fix it, he owns the wiki, right 23:26:29 ? 23:26:38 Well, kinda-sorta. 23:26:48 I mean, it's his machine, I do have administrative rights on it. 23:26:53 Ah 23:27:05 So you can fix it? maybe? 23:27:17 I wonder if it's all those python zombies HackEgo keeps making up these days. 23:27:25 heh 23:27:27 maybe 23:27:46 you should write a python antizombie *jokes yet not jokes* 23:28:13 wait.. python zombies? 23:28:28 that means i might be able to access the external system using something like that.. 23:30:17 the site stopped rendering right on my end 23:30:25 I restarted a couple of things. 23:30:33 ah 23:30:51 Logging in works for me now. 23:30:53 Thanks 23:30:56 Same' 23:31:24 [wiki] [[Fold]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47059 * Moon * (+969) Created 23:33:11 also, because you have admin rights, dont you have access to hackego? 23:33:22 *noting you could install GHC for hackego again* 23:34:08 fizzie? 23:34:37 Technically, but I try to avoid touching it as much as I can, since it's not really mine. 23:34:58 Ah 23:35:12 Shame 23:35:40 The zombie thing is strange, I used to think it was recent, but looking at it, it doesn't look like multibot ever waited for its children (or daemonized either). 23:36:14 i could cause out of sync processes that way 23:36:26 That doesn't really follow. 23:36:47 I mean, sure, it could be a denial-of-service-ish thing, clogging up the process table. 23:37:05 Arn't the processes being ran? 23:37:29 A zombie is a process that's died but its corpse just hasn't been collected by the parent. 23:37:36 Oh 23:37:41 Nvm then 23:38:07 Well would it be possible to make a process that lives beyond the time of the main one? 23:38:42 Does hackego collect threads? 23:40:12 it collects the whole kernel 23:40:19 Ah 23:40:24 `uname -a 23:40:35 Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux 23:40:36 There's a lot of sandboxing and timeouting in the actual HackEgo stuff, and as far as I know they work pretty reliably, always terminating in a reasonable time. It's just that, AFAICT, the multibot core doesn't clean up the trash. 23:40:48 (Or dissassociate itself from it.) 23:41:31 Int-e wouldnt it be nice if hackego had GHC? 23:41:33 Of course that's the part written in C, so I'm even less inclined to start patching it. Since I have no idea whether the binary running there is actually from the public source or not. 23:42:07 Its not, as far as i know, i have not seen the core in the bitbucket repository 23:42:19 Oh, that's there -- it's just a different repo. 23:42:23 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/multibot/src 23:42:49 I'd happily help patch it then :P 23:42:52 I just don't know if the version HackEgo's running has been customized. 23:44:21 Oh wait, i dont run linux 23:44:25 Nvm 23:45:16 It has 23:45:29 the cmd execution of the multibot inthe bitbucket lacks sandboxing 23:45:50 No, that's yet another repository. 23:46:08 No, it doesnt use the umlbox command for executing commands 23:46:32 it just 'exec' s it 23:46:39 Yes, because it's not *multibot* that does it. 23:46:56 That's done by the *hackbot* code. 23:46:57 fizzie: you may want http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ 23:47:01 Ah 23:47:16 hmm, wait, that's also the wrong one... 23:47:39 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot 23:47:43 yeah, https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot 23:48:07 What do you think of the "everything in one repository" approach? 23:48:12 I think it's great. 23:48:23 ? 23:48:30 it doesn't scale 23:48:53 ? 23:49:10 It scales up to a Google. 23:49:32 define "one repository 23:49:33 " 23:50:23 As in one hg or Perforce or whatever repository. 23:50:44 Im thinking about writing a basic text editor for hackego 23:51:19 Is there a way to keep state between lines of HackEgo without committing to hg? 23:52:08 I may have picked too broad a context for "everything". 23:52:25 I mean all your code and so on. 23:52:28 shachaf: Not that I know of. 23:52:46 Well I don't want to have a tangled mess of all my projects. 23:52:59 Well, you put each one in its own directory. So it's not a mess. 23:53:12 Then I can have a repository for each. 23:53:43 fizzie, what should i set the max file size input to? (aka how much memory it devotes to the file) 23:54:25 what if you need something that scales up to two googles 23:54:37 I dont think hackego has that much ram 23:54:58 (There is a limitation of the RCSs that I'm aware of... they don't offer nice views ala "what's the history of this subdirectory") 23:55:17 "clone this subdirectory" "merge from the previously cloned subdirectory" 23:55:25 moon_: I think you shouldn't try to do the thing at all. You can't run anything persistently, so your editor would need to write all state to file (and make a commit) for every operation. 23:55:41 no, it is more of a file operator 23:55:47 it's far easier to use something like submodules to compose a view of a larger project from smaller parts, right now. 23:55:53 it takes a command, and preforms it 23:55:55 done 23:56:25 So as things stand, I don't think I want to use anything resembling a "repository for everything." 23:58:42 Even so, I think we generally would like to discourage interactive editing on the bot, since it involves so much history. 23:59:01 (sed already exists, anyway.) 23:59:34 i feel like doing it, plus it will test my shellscripting, ill do it offscreen 23:59:49 and regarding the ghc question... I've not seriously missed it. 2016-05-25: 00:00:19 <\oren\> Does anyone know a good tutorial on ptolemaic physics? 00:01:19 Doing it off-channel doesn't really solve the problem of bloating the history. 00:03:05 is Gregor not around to ask about this stuff? 00:03:36 What's "this stuff"? 00:05:04 whether the binaries are compiled from the source you have 00:05:09 <\oren\> I need a book that explains deferents, epicycles, and equants. 00:05:34 `sort 00:05:44 @google deferents epicycles equants ptolemaic physics 00:05:46 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle 00:05:47 <\oren\> ... and one that isn't in arabic, latin or greek 00:05:51 i beleive hackego has it 00:05:54 \oren\, literally wikipedia 00:06:14 No output. 00:06:18 ok yay 00:06:44 He's certainly not around *here*. I suppose he might be reachable in general, but I'm too lazy for that sort of thing. 00:07:16 <\oren\> Phantom_Hoover: doesn't explain the math or provide examples of how large the circle is for say venus. 00:07:56 anyway. the first page http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi usually covers a week or two... it would be nice if we could keep it that way. 00:08:10 the maths is easy, i guess the actual numbers might need some work 00:08:11 `` mount | paste 00:08:20 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.20494 00:09:08 <\oren\> I want to make a ptolemaic physics mod for KSP 00:09:56 <\oren\> With the real solar system bodies, but in ptolemaic "orbits" 00:12:24 http://astro.unl.edu/naap/ssm/animations/ptolemaic.swf has parameters, idk how accurate they are 00:12:51 <\oren\> that's a start 00:14:11 http://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=ojur also lists some constants 00:14:28 (it's a pdf... strange link) 00:15:26 @google ptolomaic system constants 00:15:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle 00:15:39 essentially what I did, though I didn't pick the first link :) 00:16:20 `append 00:16:21 ​/hackenv/bin/append: line 1: : No such file or directory 00:16:24 ok 00:18:06 `` rm canary; list 00:18:07 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:18:16 how does shell take input again? 00:18:20 like in shellscripts 00:18:21 BlueProtoman fizzie hppavilion[1] Phantom_Hoover int-e b_jonas boily a`a`a`a`jo7as a`a`a`a`jo8as a`a`a`a`jo3as a`a`a`a`jo6as a`a`a`a`jo5as a`a`a`a`jo4as a`a`a`a`jo2as a`a`a`a`jo1as a`a`a`a`jonas0 a`a`a`a lambdabot chicken_jonas myname 00:18:23 fizzie: I had an idea for keeping state between HackEgo commands but it didn't work. 00:18:40 What was it 00:18:47 <\oren\> Oooh, ooh, what if I also added a "aether" between the planets? 00:19:00 \oren\, as in what? 00:19:35 you'll have to massively rewrite ksp physics if you want drag 00:20:01 oh ksp 00:20:26 <\oren\> Well, it would be a thin all-pervading atmosphere. 00:20:28 (I just realized how to expand the acronym...) 00:21:13 Wait, what? 00:21:21 BlueProtoman is highlighted up to the n for me 00:23:48 <\oren\> with an advanced jet engine you could fly a plane to the moon. 00:24:18 i suppose this could work but it'd be insanely buggy 00:24:33 <\oren\> Phantom_Hoover: Like all great mods! 00:24:36 you'd need to spend a long time working out corner cases 00:24:37 I'm afraid of the next generation of rocket engineers 00:24:46 <\oren\> lololol 00:24:59 like i think ksp's atmosphere is hardcoded to an exponential curve and a pressure cutoff 00:25:17 <\oren\> With Kopernicus you can edit that though 00:25:54 how do shellscripts take command line arguments? 00:26:04 you mean you can do non-exponential pressure curves? 00:26:32 moon_, $ for individual arguments, $_ (iirc) for the entire argument vector 00:27:49 <\oren\> Phantom_Hoover: I'm not sure, I think so 00:27:58 <\oren\> I hope so anyway 00:28:16 fizzie: hostfs is too strange hth 00:28:17 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:30:17 <\oren\> For now I'm messing around with the stock kerbol system 00:30:28 would this work? $2 >> $3 00:30:41 try it? 00:30:42 `` cat /proc/filesystems | paste 00:30:49 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.7958 00:30:51 Phantom_Hoover: $@ 00:31:03 `mk testcmd// $2 >> $3 00:31:06 testcmd 00:31:07 what's $_ then... 00:31:23 `testcmd derp derp testcmd 00:31:24 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: testcmd: not found 00:31:31 `./testcmd derp derp testcmd 00:31:31 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/testcmd: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/testcmd: cannot execute: Permission denied 00:31:38 `mkx testcmd// $2 >> $3 00:31:38 shachaf: FWIW, I seem to recall UML hostfs doesn't have any target directory limits per se, so if you did get root access in the guest, you might be able to mount more things. 00:31:40 testcmd 00:31:42 `./testcmd derp derp testcmd 00:31:42 ​/hackenv/testcmd: line 1: $3: ambiguous redirect 00:31:49 $_ is a perl thing 00:31:59 `./testcmd derp derp test 00:32:00 ​/hackenv/testcmd: line 1: $3: ambiguous redirect 00:32:03 .. 00:32:05 .-. 00:32:10 fizzie: I just wanted to mmap a file and hide some data in the page cache. 00:32:25 fizzie: But of course you don't just get the host's page as-is. 00:32:36 "When used in the text of the message, $_ expands to the ame of the current mailfile." ... from the bash manpage. Don't ask me what it means. 00:33:12 $* is like $@ except they're different when in double quotes. 00:33:17 <\oren\> I will call my mod "Karistotellian"! 00:33:44 (Actually I think I get it. But I don't think that there are many systems left that have a mail spool directory on the file system that the shell could watch...) 00:33:44 fizzie: The $@/double-quote interaction is so strange. 00:34:03 Strange, but oh-so-useful. 00:34:31 how would you do shell programming without "$@" 00:34:35 `` echo ignored > .hgignore 00:34:39 No output. 00:34:48 `` echo abc > ignored 00:34:49 No output. 00:34:55 `` cat ignored 00:34:56 abc 00:34:59 <\oren\> the atmosphere is actually a piecewise linear 00:35:00 `` hg log | grep summary: | head -n1 00:35:07 summary: ` echo ignored > .hgignore 00:35:11 fizzie: solved hth 00:35:14 <\oren\> with a lot of pieces 00:35:20 shachaf: That's *so* crummy. 00:37:24 Hmm. 00:37:30 `` rm ignored .hgignore 00:37:33 rm: cannot remove `ignored': No such file or directory 00:38:08 `` echo .hgignore > .hgignore 00:38:09 No output. 00:38:15 `` cat .hgignore 00:38:16 ​.hgignore 00:38:41 how would i write to a specific line with shellscript? 00:38:46 fizzie: So now you approve of HackEgo text editors, no doubt? 00:39:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:39:40 The one im working on already can focus on reading a line, i just need to figure out how to write a line 00:40:04 shachaf: I think you should make a standardized unversioned directory if you want to go ahead with that. 00:40:11 That's one of the great unsolved problems of computer science. 00:40:12 I just wonder what it'll break. 00:40:38 the command for readline, by the way, would be 'med rl ' 00:40:43 `med 00:40:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: med: not found 00:40:48 just checking, and yay 00:41:01 (The reset-redo-commit cycle is so complicated.) 00:41:22 `` echo ishare > .hgignore 00:41:25 No output. 00:41:30 i,i echo ibin >> .hgignore 00:41:50 `` mkdir ishare 00:41:51 No output. 00:41:55 `` echo papaya > ishare/fruit 00:41:56 No output. 00:42:15 `cat ishare/fruit 00:42:16 papaya 00:42:30 did hackego get fast? 00:42:36 what happened 00:42:52 idk 00:43:05 `` echo test > canary 00:43:06 im making a basic text editor for hackego, so i have not been paying attention 00:43:08 No output. 00:43:15 `cat ishare/fruit 00:43:16 papaya 00:43:22 `type ed 00:43:22 `rm canary 00:43:23 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found 00:43:24 No output. 00:43:27 `cat ishare/fruit 00:43:27 ``type ed 00:43:30 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `type: not found 00:43:31 papaya 00:43:35 `` type ed 00:43:36 ed is /bin/ed 00:43:40 moon_: ^ 00:43:46 `ed 00:43:53 ed is interactive 00:44:06 you launched an interactive process 00:44:08 oh, it wont work with the timelimit and the limitations 00:44:16 No output. 00:44:17 hackego has a timelimit now 00:44:21 dont worry :P 00:44:26 it always had 00:44:34 afaik 00:44:39 egobot had some kind of daemons 00:44:40 ah, thought you didnt know *confusing self* 00:44:52 ages ago. 00:44:58 mine is less interactive and more straight forward 00:45:31 `` mv ishare ignored; echo ignored > .hgignore 00:45:34 mv: cannot stat `ishare': No such file or directory 00:45:40 ie 'med il 11 'this is a line insert'' 00:45:53 `? i,i 00:45:55 i,i? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:47:03 this should work, right? sed -i '${NUM}i\${DATA}' 00:48:26 sed -i "$num a $data" and if $data contains newlines you have to escape them 00:48:48 `` echo $'syntax: regexp\n.*' > .hgignore 00:48:50 No output. 00:49:19 it's probably easier to just use { sed 17q; echo new content here; sed 1,17d; } < input > output 00:49:50 could you write that out to use arguments? 00:50:44 shachaf: Isn't that a bit, I don't know, broad? 00:51:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:51:21 also, ia, how would i make a argument select the right line in that code? 00:51:22 add_after_line () { { sed "$1q"; echo "$2"; sed "1,$1d"; } < "$3" > /tmp/tmp; mv /tmp/tmp "$3"; } 00:51:41 fizzie: I'm surprised that change didn't get ignored. 00:51:44 I probably did it wrong. 00:52:27 `` echo test > share/test 00:52:28 No output. 00:52:40 I guess not. 00:54:56 Well, feel free to revert if you want to change something. 00:55:35 wow, .hgignore 00:55:50 oerjan: I know, right?! 00:55:55 i,i echo .hgignore >> .hgignore 00:56:40 16:38 `` echo .hgignore > .hgignore 00:57:32 oerjan: what does "i,i" mean when you say it twh 00:57:55 `ls 00:57:58 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ fuck \ good \ hw \ ibin \ ignored \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ logs \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ testcmd \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 00:58:16 `med rl 1 testcmd 00:58:17 ​/hackenv/bin/med: line 28: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' \ /hackenv/bin/med: line 28: `fi' 00:58:21 ?? 00:58:45 ... 00:58:57 all the if ... fi's are matched up 00:59:21 No, they're not. 00:59:28 ? 00:59:30 what did i miss? 00:59:35 The last top-level if isn't closed; and it's missing a bunch of 'then's. 00:59:52 oh, lol 01:01:05 fizzie: See, I don't think it was all that broad. 01:01:44 shachaf: Well... but the problem is, changing it now will erase all the work done since then. 01:02:28 `? i,i 01:02:29 i,i? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:02:50 `learn i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:02:52 Learned 'i,i': i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:03:13 i fixed it, but its still complaining 01:03:17 about that 1 fi 01:03:26 oerjan: It has a similar meaning to . o O, I think. 01:03:42 shachaf: i did waver a bit between them. 01:03:56 anyone able to fix that? im still no good at shellscript 01:04:00 As far as I can tell, it's still missing a majority of thens. 01:04:03 but it's not exactly the same, i think. 01:04:18 Oh, I didn't see them. 01:04:26 I wasn't expecting them to be on a *different line*. 01:04:34 fizzie: Hmm, one use for hgignore would be fetching a big file like GHC. 01:04:56 Why dont we? 01:05:15 fizzie: How are you seeing the file? 01:05:29 shachaf: I'm cheating. 01:05:55 (As in, looking at it on the host.) 01:06:07 could you fix it for me, fizzie? im still terrible at shellscript 01:06:15 fizzie: I figured. 01:06:55 moon_: fizzie said you shouldn't even be doing it. 01:07:02 .-. 01:07:08 `med 01:07:10 ​/hackenv/bin/med: line 31: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' \ /hackenv/bin/med: line 31: `fi' 01:08:33 The []s need some space to breathe, is one thing. 01:09:37 Ok, done in my copy, what else? 01:09:54 "filename = $3" is not an assignment. 01:10:28 (It would try to run a command called "filename".) 01:10:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:10:47 @google "i,i" "i have no point, i just" 01:10:49 http://touch.amirite.com/229878-youd-be-skeptical-if-an-atheist-or-agnostic-told-you-that-they-want-to-raise-their-children-as 01:10:49 Title: You'd be skeptical if an atheist or agnostic told you that they want to raise... 01:11:03 Hmm, that's not right. 01:11:29 @google "i have no point, i just * to say" 01:11:30 https://twitter.com/_ashfall_/status/706887040986525696 01:11:51 The ap command would also try to execute the given argument as a command, which may or may not be intentional. 01:11:59 hm 01:12:30 could you preform the fixes, because i dont get exactly what to do 01:12:43 i can learn off of the fixed code 01:16:23 So if your working on it, thanks fizzie 01:16:39 ...didn't github's comment box use to allow you to resize it? 01:17:23 i found a bad file 01:17:28 `culprits fuck 01:17:33 lolyouthinkimrea 01:17:40 .. 01:17:58 `rm fuck 01:18:01 No output. 01:19:04 i can only see 5 lines at a time now :( 01:19:20 Why? 01:19:55 because that's how big github's comment box is. 01:19:55 fizzie: Hmm, when you rm .hgignore, all the changes will be committed at once, right? 01:20:00 shachaf: Nope. 01:20:10 Is that because of the strange commit process? 01:20:18 shachaf: Writes happen by cleaning up the repository to a pristine state, then rerunning the command currently being processed. 01:20:19 Right, I remember now. 01:20:21 It does it twice. 01:20:49 Fizzie, could you clean up the code for med? i want to learn off of a functional copy of it 01:20:53 Wait, but why did it keep an ignored file earlier after I committed? 01:21:17 `med 01:21:19 ​/hackenv/bin/med: line 31: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' \ /hackenv/bin/med: line 31: `fi' 01:21:44 moon_: I'm a bit hesitant because I still don't think it's a good idea in general, but http://sprunge.us/KQie is after one pass of general (untested) cleanups. 01:22:11 Ah, thanks 01:23:32 * oerjan ponders kicking people randomly until someone answers the question, and wonders if he might need some sugar. 01:24:09 i decided to test it rl (readline) doesnt output 01:24:31 oerjan: Which question? 01:24:49 Oh, about the history of github's comment box? 01:24:52 yeah 01:25:18 i didn't notice it was this awkward last time i tried to write a comment. 01:25:32 oerjan: Mine still allows resizing. 01:25:35 I'm testing in Firefox. 01:25:37 moon_: Oh, =~ also needs [[ .. ]] instead of [ .. ]. 01:25:47 i'm wondering if they broke it with that "Attach files" message 01:25:49 shachaf: oh. 01:25:52 hm 01:25:53 There's a little thing at the bottom-right corner. 01:26:07 It's only vertical resizing, though, not horizontal. 01:26:18 well it's vertical i need. 01:26:18 fizzie, how would i make rl print? 01:26:23 its suppost to print the line 01:26:49 moon_: http://sprunge.us/DMCj works for me: http://sprunge.us/VeDi 01:27:01 oerjan: Another way I can resize it is by right-clicking, and clicking "inspect element", and then changing the CSS "height" attribute. 01:27:04 hth 01:27:46 *sigh* i could do that. 01:28:09 Or you could kick people randomly. 01:28:11 oerjan: By the by, your i,i wisdom entry also fell victim to .hgignore. 01:28:21 fizzie: darn 01:28:27 maybe it was for the best. 01:28:36 `? i,i 01:28:37 i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:28:43 It's there, sure, but not committed. 01:28:50 `culprits wisdom/i,i 01:28:52 well nothing new 01:28:54 No output. 01:29:22 fizzie: [20:29] `med rl 4 bin/med [20:29] No output. 01:30:04 `cat i,i 01:30:06 cat: i,i: No such file or directory 01:30:11 `cat wisdom/i,i 01:30:12 i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:30:18 moon_: That's because you're providing it only one argument. 01:30:24 i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:30:27 hth 01:30:31 `` med rl 4 bin/med 01:30:32 if [ "$1" == "rl" ]; then 01:30:34 oh woops! 01:30:42 oerjan: Oh, is the joke that you wrote a double hth on that line? 01:31:09 shachaf: no 01:31:20 OK. 01:31:24 ¿Understands everyone what I just said? 01:31:38 I wonder if I should just remove hgignore and do a sneaky sidechannel commit to restore normality. 01:32:17 please don't be sneaky hth 01:32:22 fizzie: wait, are you saying rm .hgignore might destroy everything? 01:32:24 it's not fair since no one else can be sneaky 01:32:41 oerjan: No, just everything edited since it was added. 01:32:46 `` mv .hgignore hgignore; hg status; mv hgignore .hgignore 01:33:01 ​! .hgignore \ ? bin/med \ ? hgignore \ ? ignored/fruit \ ? share/test \ ? wisdom/i,i 01:33:09 Those things. 01:33:39 (Because the repository cleanup would remove exactly those files, and then try rerunning the given command again.) 01:33:40 OKAY 01:33:40 I don't think those things merit sneakiness. 01:34:02 Perhaps not. I'd probably break something if I tried to be sneaky. 01:34:24 `` med il 1 'Here is a demo' testcmd 01:34:26 No output. 01:34:28 `cat testcmd 01:34:30 ​ $2 >> $3 \ Here is a demo 01:34:45 `` med il 1 'Note the fact the text is overwritten' testcmd 01:34:47 No output. 01:34:48 `cat testcmd 01:34:49 ​ $2 >> $3 \ Note the fact the text is overwritten 01:37:45 Yes, I think izabera's command line was expecting to read the input file twice, but then fed it in as a single input to the entire series of commands. 01:38:19 I wanted it to do that 01:38:26 who summons me 01:38:30 oh it's fizzie 01:38:34 `` { sed 1q; echo "insert a line"; cat; } < testcmd 01:38:34 ​ $2 >> $3 \ insert a line \ Note the fact the text is overwritten 01:38:36 y u wake me up 01:38:47 OH GOD I'M DUMB 01:39:17 { sed 17q /dev/stdin; echo line; sed 1,17d /dev/stdin; } < foo 01:39:23 sorry about that 01:39:33 i is stupid 01:40:42 Huh, I wouldn't have thought of that. 01:40:54 (I'd've just had sed < foo; echo; sed < foo.) 01:41:14 that's also fine 01:42:39 -!- primo has joined. 01:42:59 Now I did write the "ffbit" program. It can be use with Famicom, BytePusher, and whatever else you might use with 01:43:32 -!- primo has left. 01:43:54 (Some formats supported in "bitff" are not yet implemented in "ffbit", although I may add it later) 01:47:43 Why do we have an .hgignore file? 01:47:57 to ignore things 01:48:22 * izabera feels helpful 01:49:21 `med il 1 'Because we do, tsweet' testcmd 01:49:22 No output. 01:49:29 `cat testcmd 01:49:30 ​ $2 >> $3 \ Note the fact the text is overwritten 01:49:34 ? 01:49:41 `` med il 1 'Because we do, tsweet' testcmd 01:49:43 oops 01:49:44 No output. 01:49:45 `cat testcmd 01:49:46 ​ $2 >> $3 \ Because we do, tsweet 01:57:01 tswett: shachaf added one as a clever/sneaky way of doing unversioned state, and then broadened it up to .* for reasons. 01:57:25 oerjan: The magic was in you all along? <-- wat? 01:57:34 fizzie: were they good reasons 01:58:12 oerjan: I have to assume they were, because they're beyond me. 01:58:17 `cat .hgignore 01:58:18 syntax: regexp \ .* 01:58:18 ic 01:58:29 Is it just me, or are we ignoring everything? 01:58:37 shocking, isn't it 01:59:46 Why do we want unversioned hackego? 01:59:56 fizzie: Right now I think this ignore file is turning out pretty useful. 02:00:08 moon_: so that we can have temporary files without cluttering history. 02:00:25 Ah 02:00:27 Oh, good thinking. 02:00:42 shachaf: indeed, it has already discouraged me from adding another wisdom. 02:00:46 tip: add med and medexp to it, i update them 02:00:55 oerjan: I meant the thinking of renaming ignored/ to tmp/ 02:00:58 `` mv ignored tmp 02:00:59 No output. 02:01:14 oerjan: But your wisdoms are great. 02:01:43 shachaf: well choose your poison. 02:01:55 My position is: More oerjanwisdom. 02:02:08 But all these med edits aren't useful. 02:02:49 So do the latter in your fancy new tmp/? 02:02:57 In fact my full position might be a little bit too rude to say here. 02:05:05 moon_: um "temporary" means scratch data for commands, not the actual commands... we _do_ want to see commands that edit permanent files. 02:05:32 Ok 02:05:43 I didnt move anything there 02:05:46 `ls tmp 02:05:47 fruit 02:05:53 well then :P 02:05:59 oerjan: To be clear: Are you saying that when someone runs a command like that, we want to see it in the repository history? 02:06:25 Or are you saying that we think it would improve the repository to include more commands that can edit permanent files? 02:06:30 oerjan, med is a file editor, do you think it would be useful? 02:06:56 moon_: i don't know. how does it improve upon sed -i 02:06:58 `med rl 1 tmp/fruit 02:06:59 No output. 02:07:04 ? 02:07:07 `` med rl 1 tmp/fruit 02:07:08 papaya 02:07:10 oerjan: I meant doing the "development" in tmp, then moving the final product into bin. 02:07:12 it can preform edits 02:07:18 Ah 02:07:30 `mv bin/medexp tmp/medexp 02:07:30 fizzie: oh well i guess 02:07:30 mv: missing destination file operand after `bin/medexp tmp/medexp' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 02:07:36 `` mv bin/medexp tmp/medexp 02:07:36 No output. 02:07:54 `med is generally a working version 02:08:18 moon_: however, right now _everything_ is ignored. 02:08:32 so? 02:08:33 but presumably someone non-retired will fix that at some point. 02:08:40 shhhh 02:08:51 *points to shachaf* 02:09:33 look 02:09:40 `` echo '^tmp/' 02:09:41 ​^tmp/ 02:09:52 Whoops. Touchscreen. 02:10:37 `dos2unix tmp/medexp 02:10:38 No output. 02:10:42 `medexp 02:10:42 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: medexp: not found 02:10:51 `./tmp/medexp 02:10:52 ​/hackenv/tmp/medexp: line 33: [: missing `]' 02:11:01 that explains it 02:11:05 fizzie: are you adding temporary files to fungot 02:11:05 oerjan: mr president, i should like to highlight some of the justifications for the four reports discussed by yourselves. i shall repeat, although i find it nothing short of antidemocratic to use a fnord turn of phrase, have not been specific about the contents and structure of the human race, and the decision-maker to take account of the financial perspective up to 2006 are proving, just two different systems of liability. the 02:11:20 heh 02:11:34 oerjan: did fungot just leak your secret identity hth 02:11:34 shachaf: mr president, i agree with all the technical assistance offices. we also consider it important and we agree with some of the mistakes made. i feel that they meet the relevant basic requirements in full, and decisions must be taken into account. 02:11:37 For the record, the manual sez regexps are the default syntax and also unanchored by default. 02:11:47 fizzie: well then 02:11:49 `` echo '^tmp/' > .hgignore # kablam? 02:11:51 I only skimmed it a bit. 02:11:52 No output. 02:12:01 `cat bin/med 02:12:02 cat: bin/med: No such file or directory 02:12:09 `cat tmp/fruit 02:12:10 papaya 02:12:14 excellent 02:12:15 ... 02:12:18 let's leave it like this now 02:12:20 what happened to med? 02:12:40 shachaf: this channel is too small for two presidents 02:12:54 are you going to kick me now as a joke 02:13:03 or are you going to kick me for being rude 02:14:08 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 02:14:58 *puts a kickme sign on shachaf and uses superglue on it* 02:15:04 I'd rather not be kicked as a joke. 02:15:17 be kicked forreal 02:15:43 So I should've capitalized those two questions to indicate that they weren't jokes. 02:16:12 `med rl 2 testcmd 02:16:14 No output. 02:16:22 `` med rl 2 testcmd 02:16:23 Because we do, tsweet 02:16:37 -!- oerjan has kicked shachaf. 02:16:44 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 02:17:02 Spanish? nice one 02:17:16 `` type med 02:17:17 my timing was ruined by spending far too long trying to find tswett's ¿ up above 02:17:18 med is /hackenv/bin/med 02:17:27 `` cat /hackenv/bin/med 02:17:28 ​#! /bin/bash \ numcheck='^[0-9]\+$' \ add_after_line () { { sed "$1q"; echo "$2"; sed "1,$1d"; } < "$3" > /tmp/medtmp; mv /tmp/medtmp "$3"; } #Thanks izabera! \ if [ "$1" == "rl" ]; then \ if [[ "$2" =~ $numcheck ]]; then \ echo "error: Not a number" >&2;exit 1 \ fi \ NUM="$2" \ cat "$3" | sed "${N 02:17:32 oh god 02:17:52 why are you escaping + in ^[0-9]+$ 02:17:55 try reading it a line at a time 02:18:09 it's not even the whole script i see 02:18:17 `med rl 1 bin/med 02:18:19 No output. 02:18:23 `` med rl 1 bin/med 02:18:24 ​#! /bin/bash 02:18:29 `` med rl 2 bin/med 02:18:30 numcheck='^[0-9]\+$' 02:18:36 `` paste /hackenv/bin/med 02:18:39 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/med 02:18:55 Im not good with regular expressions, thats my excuse 02:19:25 Its not done 02:19:37 the next version is work in progress under tmp/medexp 02:19:53 to read a line sed -n 17p file 02:20:00 sed is not that hard to use 02:20:20 Im no good with bash and sed :P 02:20:26 i can be stupid sometimes 02:27:04 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:29:39 `` paste /hackenv/bin/med <-- oh hm. if we're going to have an ignored directory, then paste needs to know about it. 02:30:06 otherwise it will give repository urls that won't exist. 02:30:40 or wait, the logic is in url. 02:30:43 `cat bin/url 02:30:45 ​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|\.hg(?:/|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \ else: \ 02:31:32 that re.match line, hth 02:32:22 `url bin/url 02:32:24 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url 02:34:20 `cat .hgignore 02:34:23 ​^tmp/ 02:34:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:35:05 `` sed -i '8s/.hg/(?:.hg|tmp)/' bin/url 02:35:08 No output. 02:35:21 `ls tmp 02:35:22 fruit \ medexp 02:35:31 `paste tmp/fruit 02:35:39 Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/url", line 8, in \ if re.match(r"/|\(?:.hg|tmp)(?:/|$)",f): \ File "/usr/lib/python2.7/re.py", line 137, in match \ return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) \ File "/usr/lib/python2.7/re.py", line 242, in _compile \ raise error, v # invalid expression \ sre_cons 02:35:44 gah 02:36:18 oh 02:37:24 `revert 8132 02:37:39 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 02:38:29 `` sed '8s/..hg/(?:\&|tmp)/' bin/url 02:38:31 ​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|(?:&|tmp)(?:/|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \ el 02:38:38 `` sed '8s/..hg/(?:&|tmp)/' bin/url 02:38:39 ​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|(?:\.hg|tmp)(?:/|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \ 02:38:48 `` sed -i '8s/..hg/(?:&|tmp)/' bin/url 02:38:52 No output. 02:38:57 `paste tmp/fruit 02:39:04 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.5856 02:39:14 `paste bin/url 02:39:16 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url 02:39:19 good 03:02:51 oerjan is botspanning 03:03:11 oerjan: where is shachaf? 03:03:21 coppro: i kicked him hth 03:03:46 :( 03:04:08 . o O ( some people are so sensitive ) 03:04:12 who's teh backup head of the Department of Inadvisably Applied Haskell, then? 03:04:31 either int-e or me 03:05:30 ok so I am considering the following model for my game engine 03:05:33 there are a bunch of phases 03:05:39 some things are only valid in certain phases 03:06:02 so I'm thinking that each phase will store the relevant state, and the overall game state will be a GameState p 03:06:03 indexed state monad, clearly. 03:06:19 (you did say inadvisable, right?) 03:06:24 yes 03:07:08 indexed monads are what I want, but I'm approximating them because I don't want to shave the yak of supporting all the things I want it to support 03:07:10 maybe that new thing everyone's talking about... servant. 03:07:15 lol 03:07:27 isn't that a web api thing 03:07:56 i'm not sure it's just web 03:07:59 but maybe. 03:08:14 I'm just going to approximate indexed monads and hope that I'm not dumb enough to do something that will break it 03:08:30 (I suppose I could always "put undefined" just to be sure) 03:08:51 but the inadvisable part is that I need to provide some way to give feedback to the user 03:09:24 some options on cards are only valid in certain phases, and I don't want to have to define the effects of each card for each phase differently 03:09:38 coppro: perhaps you want zoom from lens? 03:09:47 oerjan: the problem is the typing 03:09:57 I'm thinking ifctx 03:11:11 so the action definitions can be type-safe but then ifctx can turn that static information to dynamic information for the UI 03:11:18 (and to make the types not completely suck) 03:13:03 * oerjan never heard of ifctx 03:13:17 looks obscure. 03:15:08 btw shachaf is still online if you want someone qualified. 03:15:34 I know 04:00:00 -!- shachaf has joined. 04:01:48 rechaf 04:03:21 oerjan: imo joke kicks are an abuse of +o (especially when they're not clearly jokes) hth 04:04:06 Hmm, why does http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi show a bunch of things that happened during the great ignore? 04:06:50 coppro: I don't follow, anyway. 04:09:08 hmm ok 04:09:35 so a player can have a bunch of cards, which may do things. some cards have multiple options to use, but some can only be done at certain times 04:09:43 for instance, playing an attack outside of combat 04:09:51 `ls tmp 04:10:07 fruit \ medexp 04:10:07 ...slow again? 04:10:14 `cat tmp/fruit 04:10:14 papaya 04:10:15 err 04:10:23 you can't play an attack outside of combat 04:10:52 `` echo banana >>tmp/fruit 04:10:53 `` echo apple >>tmp/fruit 04:11:03 No output. 04:11:03 No output. 04:11:09 `cat tmp/fruit 04:11:10 papaya \ banana \ apple 04:11:19 so an attack might have type (InCombat p) => Effect p () 04:11:31 hm nope 04:12:19 this makes it type-safe so it can't do anything that it shouldn't be able to do outside its phase, and in particular can't try to access state of the not-current phase 04:12:31 but then I can't just make a card have a [Effect p ()] because of the constraint 04:13:59 also s/ifctx/ifcxt/ apparently 04:17:08 shachaf: "Files that are already tracked are not affected by .hgignore, even if they appear in .hgignore." 04:17:10 the ifcxt library lets me evaluate the constraint and do exactly what I want 04:17:19 I just don't know if it's a horrid design to do this erasure 04:20:14 `culprits wisdom/i,i 04:20:24 No output. 04:21:05 on the one hand, if I make that decision, I'm pretty much finished the logic engine and can get to writing code 04:21:18 on the other hand, I hate committing to designs 04:31:25 -!- izabera has changed nick to icareaboutperfor. 04:31:30 -!- icareaboutperfor has changed nick to izabera. 04:31:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:31:59 -!- izabera has changed nick to icareaboutspeed. 04:33:05 coppro: You also picked a pretty bad time to ask. 04:33:18 I could hardly keep my eyes open in front of the computer. 04:33:59 shachaf: sorry? 04:34:03 ? 04:34:22 Bad for you. 04:34:22 get some sleep! 04:36:06 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:42:12 -!- icareaboutspeed has changed nick to izabera. 04:52:00 It's not quite like that. 04:52:50 -!- Melvar has joined. 04:57:52 I found a note that was a reply to someone who wanted to copy Macrovisioned VHS to DVD, and it says "There's no way to connect a stabilizer between the VHS and DVD on a combo." However, this is not true. I have a VHS/DVD combo and have been able to connect a stabilizer (although the one I used makes the picture too bright). 04:58:38 zzo38: Did you reply to the reply, to set the record straight? 04:58:51 And by record I mean VHS/DVD combo. 04:59:49 No I did not write a reply 05:11:33 *Ugh*, Macrovision. Had to remind me that that's a thing. 05:27:18 The VHS/DVD combo I have also includes a function to copy a non-Macrovisioned non-finalized DVD to VHS, although the stabilizer could still be used in this case too. 05:28:58 Also, if you do the recording in the way I specified, you still get the OSD and minor synchronization issues, so it is not perfect. (Digi-RGB-Plus includes commands "Synchro Start", "Synchro Stop", and "OSD Suppress", which will help to avoid these problems.) 05:31:57 (For example, a recording device that accepts Digi-RGB-Plus input could include a "Synchro Record" function which is available for that input (normal record function is also available), which if activated will send "Synchro Start" and "OSD Suppress" commands, and then start recording as soon as the playback starts on the external device.) 05:36:00 Do you know how to make up a Magic: the Puzzling where in order to win, it is necessary to copy Phage the Untouchable's first ability with Strionic Resonator? 05:37:24 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:46:25 Phage the Untouchable is bad luck. (At least it seem like that to me) 05:47:15 How do you look up a card again? 05:47:36 `card-by-name Phage the Untouchable 05:47:38 Phage the Untouchable \ 3BBBB \ Legendary Creature -- Avatar Minion \ 4/4 \ When Phage the Untouchable enters the battlefield, if you didn't cast it from your hand, you lose the game. \ Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a creature, destroy that creature. It can't be regenerated. \ Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a player, that player lose 05:48:39 `` card-by-name 'Phage the Untouchable' | tail -n+6 05:48:42 Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a creature, destroy that creature. It can't be regenerated. \ Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game. \ LGN-R, 10E-R, CNS-M \ \ Phage the Untouchable Avatar \ Vanguard \ 0/-5 \ Pay 1 life: Until end of turn, whenever a creature deals combat damage to you, destroy that creatu 05:51:45 Copying its first trigger with Strionic Resonator seems like an extremely unlikely thing to do, but I want to see how it can be that it is actually necessary to do that in order to win the game. 05:52:48 Do you mindslave your opponent? 05:53:55 No, I mean in a case where it is your own Phage the Untouchable under your own control, and your own control of the trigger. 05:54:28 So this is a metapuzzle. 05:54:35 Magic: The Puzzling: The Puzzling 05:55:19 This is somewhat like the construction tasks in chess 06:48:21 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:54:17 -!- jesus_27 has joined. 06:59:31 -!- jesus_27 has left. 07:00:17 * oerjan has a near canaima experience 07:08:10 #define isnan(x) (sizeof (x) == sizeof (float) ? __isnanf (x) \ 07:08:13 : sizeof (x) == sizeof (double) ? __isnan (x) \ 07:08:15 : __isnanl (x)) 07:08:16 _Generic in c99 07:08:28 päivittäinen spämmi 07:08:49 dunno what that means but i'm assuming it means "how cool is that piece of c code" 07:09:36 https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/päivittäinen%20spämmi i was close 07:12:12 obviously. why i keep getting regular finnish spam (often mentioning vacuuming brands) may be beyond human comprehension. 07:12:32 wait aren't you norwegian? 07:12:49 well if i were finnish it would be comprehensible, no? 07:13:09 idk maybe you're just dumb and can't read your own language 07:13:19 tror ikke det gitt. 07:13:43 do not think so given 07:13:44 wtf is that 07:14:04 although lately i've been trying to learn how danish is pronounced. ironically the letter that seems hardest so far is "ø". 07:14:41 izabera: something like "gee, i don't think so." 07:14:46 do you read satw? 07:15:25 http://satwcomic.com/language-lesson 07:15:32 no, i looked at it a few years ago but got bored before finishing the archive. 07:16:45 i got a big epiphany when i read in wikipedia that danish b/d/g are unvoiced (when they're stops. often they are approximants but anyone can notice _that_.) 07:25:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:25:30 izabera: incidentally, would you know if eros ramazzotti sounds as italian accented when he sings in spanish as i'm imagining? my hobby in my new favorite restaurant is to guess which language he's singing in as they have several in both. 07:26:17 i don't know how italian accented spanish sounds 07:26:21 darn 07:26:21 sorry 07:26:40 i know how spanish accented italian sounds 07:26:46 also spanish accented english 07:26:51 not the other way around 07:26:53 i suppose i need a spanish speaker. 07:27:30 the thing is, they also have songs by julio iglesias and he sounds _very_ spanish. (because he is.) 07:27:49 while for ramazzotti i have to actually pay attention to the words he uses. 07:30:08 are you going to learn all the languages? 07:31:42 If there are 320 pixels per scanline and two clock cycles per pixel, and 240p NTSC video, then what is the clock rate? 07:32:19 does NTSC change anything? 07:33:03 * oerjan wonders how the satw guy can think norwegian is more singing than swedish. 07:34:49 izabera: I don't know? The analog video format must involve hblank/vblank as well as only the pixels, isn't it? 07:35:32 * izabera knows nothing 07:37:26 zzo38: Assuming the same amount of overscan typical for actual 480p video, you'd be generating a signal of about 328x262 to include the hblank/vblank time. 07:38:08 That isn't *exactly* half of a normal NTSC analog signal, but it's close enough that TVs should handle it (and would match typical retro consoles' implementations). 07:38:45 how come you know everything 07:38:55 I can use Wikipedia and Google quickly. 07:39:26 teach me 07:42:28 zzo38: If you otherwise match NTSC signal characteristics, you'd be doing 328*262*60/1.001*2 clock cycles per second, or 10.302018 MHz. 07:42:40 I found a document that says the active line duration is 52.2 microseconds (and full line duration is 63.55), so I tried some calculation to result 12.26 MHz but I am not sure if I made the calculation properly; maybe I made a messy mistake. 07:43:51 It's pretty typical with retro consoles to fudge the signal quite a bit: analog TVs were mostly fine so long as you generated the sync signals correctly. 07:44:19 They also tended to cheat in other ways. 07:44:36 For instance, the NES's color sync signal was a square wave rather than a sine wave. 07:44:58 Yes, I know it makes square wave video 07:45:38 But, it has 256 pixels rather than 320; PC and my own system are 320 07:57:10 Do you know what I might have miscalculated if I have done so? 08:12:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:15:00 * oerjan reads the last panel of today's girl genius, and wonders if aldin has met dupree... 08:17:07 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:32:09 -!- Melvar` has joined. 08:34:05 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:36:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 09:01:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:14:29 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:15:58 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 09:24:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 09:25:40 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:32:50 -!- primo_ has joined. 09:48:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:02:33 -!- primo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:15:05 -!- dnm has joined. 10:28:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:34:16 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 10:48:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 10:48:24 -!- Frooxius has joined. 11:47:23 -!- centrinia has joined. 12:09:34 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:21:10 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:22:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:22:39 -!- ski has joined. 12:25:53 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Rjozefowicz * New user account 12:42:54 [wiki] [[ANItka]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47060 * Rjozefowicz * (+912) Created page with "'''ANItka lang''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] designed by [[Radoslaw J]]. It was developed on the spur of the moment for author's girlfriend Anita. ANItka lan was..." 12:43:38 How romantic. 12:43:54 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47061&oldid=47058 * Rjozefowicz * (+13) 12:45:06 Oh, a brainfuck derivative. Maybe that wasn't quite the right word, then. 12:45:41 Brainfuck ♥ 12:49:51 is the latest xkcd funny? 13:00:14 [wiki] [[ANItka]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47062&oldid=47060 * Rjozefowicz * (+138) 13:03:48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_B%C3%B6sendorfer_%28piano%29#Extra_keys => whoa, so there's a piano that has extra keys so it can play bass sounds a quint *lower* than a regular piano, and this was requested by a musician who wanted to adapt a solo *violin* piece to a piano. 13:03:54 Is it only me, or does that sound crazy? 13:30:18 <\oren\> he was ahead of his time 13:30:54 <\oren\> Many forms of modern music use super low bass 13:31:05 <\oren\> he would have loved dubstep 13:40:08 -!- ybden has joined. 13:50:21 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:02:37 how do i find my mac with ip? :| 14:03:09 fuck that idiot who came up with ip as a name for a command 14:03:13 it's ungooglable 14:18:51 Yes, but plain "ip addr" reports the link-level addresses as well. 14:19:14 And the built-in usage instructions are pretty guessable. 14:20:02 "ip -f link addr show dev X" if you want to be all specific w.r.t. only showing that, and for a particular interface. 14:24:20 `` echo $$ 14:24:48 290 14:24:58 `` echo $$ 14:25:02 290 14:25:11 that is quite big... 14:25:31 $ echo $$ 14:25:33 25481 14:25:35 what do i win 14:26:18 izabera: it's not impressive for any system that's been running for a while 14:26:39 oh ok :'( 14:26:41 izabera: but Hackego just booted... and needs to spawn 289 processes before that shell? 14:26:51 (the UML booted, of course) 14:29:05 int-e: would PID randomisation not affect that? 14:29:33 `` echo $$ 14:29:35 290 14:29:37 so random 14:29:42 >.< 14:29:44 that's not how it works 14:29:58 A PID doesn't change during the lifetime of the process 14:30:13 they're different processes 14:30:15 but PID randomisation would give it a non-sequential PID when it starts 14:30:26 `` echo $SECONDS 14:30:29 0 14:30:31 `` echo $SECONDS 14:30:33 `` echo $SECONDS 14:30:33 0 14:30:36 0 14:30:46 hm, interesting 14:31:00 i see that HackEgo is slowing down again 14:31:12 `` sh -c 'echo $$'; sh -c 'echo $$' 14:31:14 296 \ 297 14:31:25 definitely not very random. 14:31:32 right, there's definitely no randomisation going on there 14:31:48 I do wonder what it's being hosted on 14:33:13 `` uname -a 14:33:14 Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux 14:33:28 it's a user mode linux, and that's more or less all you need to know 14:37:48 hm, is UML entirely isolated from the parent system? 14:38:16 well, not sharing the parent's /proc, etc. 14:41:48 in principle it's its own kernel... but of course there are ways to share resources, and code will still run on the same processor... so you have the usual cache sidechannels and perhaps CPU bugs/backdoors for privilege escalation. 14:42:28 true 14:43:00 (as for sharing resources, there's a hostfs file system to map host directories into the client, for example.) 14:52:00 Yes, and a character device / file descriptor of the UML process mapping as well. 14:52:32 The umlbox sandbox uses that and a custom multiplexing scheme to communicate. 14:54:47 Actually, I think that was [character device in the UML] <-> [two pipes in the host process]. 14:55:25 "It is possible to attach UML serial lines and consoles to many types of host I/O channels -- to host ptys, ttys, file descriptors, and ports." 15:05:08 hmm, interesting 15:07:28 In the file descriptor approach, you set them up before starting the kernel, and it will direct writes to write into one of the descriptors, and reads to read from the other. 15:07:38 -!- bender__ has joined. 15:07:44 -!- bender__ has changed nick to bender|. 15:08:30 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 15:18:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 15:19:48 `` ps | paste 15:19:53 `` ps aux | paste 15:20:36 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.12734 15:20:41 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.26849 15:22:07 That jump from 77 to 281... 15:22:47 Possibly short-lived kernel threads relevant for boot-time activities? 15:22:57 Perhaps. 15:23:04 281 is still a kernel level process. 15:23:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:23:18 And assuming process ID doesn't overflow, nothing should run before kernel modules? 15:23:27 Other than init (PID 1) 15:24:08 There's init as 285, 286, 287 as well, which probably indicates something about the chronology. 15:25:01 In related news, having that implicit [Nn]ooodl rewrite as part of bin/` is just *so silly*. 15:26:14 `cat bin/` 15:26:16 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 15:26:20 oh huh 15:26:36 `cat bin/? 15:26:37 ​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; 15:27:40 `` echo nooodl 15:27:41 nooodl 15:27:47 Oh come on. 15:27:48 `` echo nooodl 15:27:49 nooooodl 15:27:53 That's more like it. 15:36:36 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 15:37:39 <\oren\> the whole development environment is down because three drives failed at the same time 15:37:53 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 15:38:17 <\oren\> the wear leveling seems to have been too level 15:38:42 \oren\: um, which development environment where? 15:38:52 <\oren\> at my work 15:39:22 <\oren\> im slacking off because there is nothing to do 15:40:13 <\oren\> except wait for somebody in californua to fix the raid 15:40:44 \oren\: I see 15:41:55 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:42:03 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 15:44:43 <\oren\> ohGod it says we wont be up untio after lunch... in CALIFORNIA 15:45:14 <\oren\> why did i bother coming into work 15:45:18 \oren\: whoa... did they say a more specific time than "lunch"? 15:45:31 <\oren\> no 15:45:35 ouch 15:45:59 that just means the sysadmins who gave the info will be so busy restoring they won't be eating their lunch in time, and it won't be ready till next morning, probably 15:49:11 <\oren\> maybe raids shpuld ve programmed with wear unlevelling 15:50:51 <\oren\> so that they wont fail all at once even if all tye disks are[from the same manufacturer 16:00:17 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to Elronnd. 16:06:15 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 16:06:34 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:19:03 -!- bender has joined. 16:21:00 -!- bender| has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:26:45 -!- noloveinwaikiki has joined. 16:31:12 -!- xkapastel has joined. 16:31:22 -!- spiette has joined. 16:35:14 -!- gamemanj has joined. 16:39:22 -!- earendel2 has joined. 16:39:49 -!- earendel2 has quit (Quit: earendel2). 16:46:13 ghg 16:53:15 -!- idris-bot has joined. 17:11:10 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:18:29 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:41:22 -!- moon_ has joined. 17:41:48 i've made a new version of med (i tested it in a terminal, too) 17:41:55 i think it works better 17:46:39 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:54:19 izabera: i found a much simpler way to insert lines to a file, sed's i operation 17:54:41 but then you have to escape any newline 17:54:57 yea, but the input is from a argument 17:55:11 you can have newlines there 17:55:11 so people should do that on there own 17:55:40 plus im pretty sure i puts in the newline... 17:55:44 from the examples i saw 17:59:15 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:17:40 `fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/0Hzsmpn7 18:17:51 2016-05-25 17:17:38 URL:http://pastebin.com/raw/0Hzsmpn7 [916] -> "0Hzsmpn7" [1] 18:18:03 `` mv 0Hzsmpn7 bin/med 18:18:15 No output. 18:18:16 `` chmod +x bin/med 18:18:19 No output. 18:18:20 `med 18:18:22 ​/hackenv/bin/med: line 46: syntax error: unexpected end of file 18:18:30 `dos2unix bin/med 18:18:34 No output. 18:18:37 `med 18:18:38 No output. 18:18:54 `` med rr bin/med 1 3 18:18:55 ​#Rewritten by hand \ #info on lines 2 4 9 15 20 26.. continued on line 2 \ #32 38 18:20:18 it should be in working order 18:23:05 `med dl bin/med 2 18:23:06 No output. 18:23:08 `med 18:23:09 No output. 18:23:13 `` med rr bin/med 1 3 18:23:15 ​#Rewritten by hand \ #info on lines 2 4 9 15 20 26.. continued on line 2 \ #32 38 18:23:17 case $1 in rl) ........ ;; rr) ....... 18:23:18 ? 18:23:40 `` med dl bin/med 2 18:23:43 sed: -e expression #1, char 4: extra characters after command 18:23:49 ?... 18:23:49 Not enough arguments to @. 18:24:13 you wrote 4{NUM} instead of ${NUM} 18:24:16 i made a one char typo 18:24:19 i noticed 18:24:52 i had to copy it over by hand due to issues 18:26:57 `fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/RpzQ6JGr 18:26:59 2016-05-25 17:26:50 URL:http://pastebin.com/raw/RpzQ6JGr [916] -> "RpzQ6JGr" [1] 18:27:14 `mv RpzQ6JGr bin/med 18:27:15 mv: missing destination file operand after `RpzQ6JGr bin/med' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 18:27:22 `` mv RpzQ6JGr bin/med 18:27:24 No output. 18:27:28 `dos2unix bin/med 18:27:30 No output. 18:27:34 `` chmod +x bin/med 18:27:38 No output. 18:27:55 `med rr testcmd 1 2 18:27:56 No output. 18:28:01 `` med rr testcmd 1 2 18:28:01 ​ $2 >> $3 \ Because we do, tsweet 18:28:11 `` med dl testcmd 1 18:28:17 No output. 18:28:22 `cat testcmd 18:28:22 Because we do, tsweet 18:28:30 ok good 18:28:59 `` med dl bin/med 2 18:29:02 No output. 18:29:17 `` med il bin/med 1 ' #info on lines 2 4 9 15 20 26.. continued on line 3' 18:29:20 No output. 18:29:30 `` med rr bin/med 1 3 18:29:32 ​#Rewritten by hand \ #info on lines 2 4 9 15 20 26.. continued on line 3 \ #32 38 18:29:35 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to Elronnd. 18:29:40 there we go 18:30:10 actually, i should write in a replace command 18:31:01 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to SlexualTransElf. 18:31:15 -!- SlexualTransElf has changed nick to SlexualTransElfr. 18:31:23 ... 18:31:49 -!- SlexualTransElfr has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 18:33:48 ...... 18:37:51 `` copy 18:37:52 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: copy: command not found 18:37:59 how do i make a copy of a file? 18:38:22 `` bin/med > tmp/medexp 18:38:24 No output. 18:39:08 `` med il tmp/medexp 44 'if [ "$1" == "ol" ]; then #override next line' 18:39:10 No output. 18:39:49 \t is the excape code for tab right? 18:40:29 yea it is 18:40:56 `` med il tmp/medexp 45 '\t NUM="$3"' 18:41:00 No output. 18:41:30 `` cat tmp/medexp | sed "45!d" 18:41:31 No output. 18:41:49 why didnt it output? 18:41:53 `` cat tmp/medexp | sed -p "45!d" 18:41:54 sed: invalid option -- 'p' \ Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ 18:42:38 `` cat tmp/medexp | sed - "45p" 18:42:40 sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `-' 18:42:44 `` cat tmp/medexp | sed "45p" 18:42:45 No output. 18:42:47 ... 18:43:32 `` cat tmp/medexp | sed "45p" > tempcmd 18:43:36 No output. 18:43:36 `cat tempcmd 18:43:37 No output. 18:43:46 `cat tempcmd 18:43:46 No output. 18:43:49 ... 18:44:10 `url tmp/medexp 18:44:14 File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. 18:44:35 `mv tmp/medexp medexp 18:44:36 mv: missing destination file operand after `tmp/medexp medexp' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 18:44:41 `` mv tmp/medexp medexp 18:44:44 mv: cannot stat `tmp/medexp': No such file or directory 18:44:50 ... 18:45:02 `med rl tmp/medexp 45 18:45:03 No output. 18:45:29 i cant interact with it fizie 18:45:33 fizzie: this tmp-commit interaction is great 18:46:03 *sigh* 18:46:32 My suggestion is that you just don't write med. 18:46:56 its kinda useful already :P 18:48:59 shachaf: I didn't really think about it not being web-visible while in tmp. 18:49:52 I understand it may sound very controversial, but my general suggestion is to do development locally and just `fetch the final product, if it's anything more complicated than three reasonable lines. 18:50:37 ok, im ding that now :P 18:51:06 I'm not sure I want to read through all those commands, but "bin/med > tmp/medexp" doesn't make a copy of bin/med -- it writes bin/med's *output* to that file. 18:51:36 ('cp' is the copy parallel of 'mv'.) 18:51:46 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:53:10 oh, woops 18:53:42 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 18:53:44 Look at that mess. 18:54:10 *sorry* 18:54:26 Why are you doing this? 18:54:59 well im done for now 18:55:11 `cat tempcmd 18:55:28 `mv tempcmd tmp/tempcmd 18:55:34 No output. 18:55:39 mv: missing destination file operand after `tempcmd tmp/tempcmd' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 18:56:03 `mk tmp/tempcmd//testt \n test 18:56:06 tmp/tempcmd 18:56:12 `cat tempcmd 18:56:12 No output. 18:56:23 `cat tmp/tempcmd 18:56:24 testt \n test 18:56:30 That's not a newline. 18:56:39 actually, i should honestly stop for now, i realized that 18:56:58 I think you should honestly stop and honestly not start. 18:57:04 `` rm tempcmd testcmd # let's clean up a little 18:57:08 No output. 18:57:14 It's all a mess. 18:57:56 well med is done 18:59:02 `` med il tmp/testcmd 'Testing' 18:59:03 cat: tmp/testcmd: No such file or directory \ sed: can't find label for jump to `estinga' 18:59:13 ``???? 18:59:14 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `????: not found 18:59:27 *sigh* 18:59:28 You didn't put in the number. 18:59:48 `` med il tmp/testcmd 1 'Testing' 18:59:49 No output. 18:59:58 `cat tmp/testcmd 18:59:59 No output. 19:00:04 ? 19:00:35 `` med il tmp/testcmd 1 'Testing....' 19:00:37 No output. 19:00:41 `cat tmp/testcmd 19:00:42 No output. 19:00:44 .... 19:00:54 i give up for now 19:02:22 (I thought you had tested it.) 19:02:41 It made me kind of wonder how all that "cat foo | something > foo" could possibly work. 19:02:55 i did 19:03:43 cat foo =operation's output> operation =final output> foo 19:03:58 Yeah, that's not going to work at least on bash. 19:04:13 dl works. 19:04:15 The output redirection "> foo" makes foo empty before cat reads it in. 19:04:23 Oh 19:04:28 Well damnit 19:05:11 (That's why izabera's sed thing used that temporary file.) 19:05:28 cat "$2" | sed "${NUM}d" > $out; "$out" > foo # what abut this? 19:05:51 "$out" > foo tries to *execute* $out. 19:06:04 ... 19:06:15 you have to be kidding me 19:06:51 -!- Alcest has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:07:38 *doesnt wana ask, but kinda has to* can you fix it for me? im facedesking over here 19:08:13 how much are you paying 19:09:06 in fact, i might just make the base of med a c program, with a bash wrapper 19:09:52 as i dont understand how i would use the filesystem in hackego, i was told it doesnt work 19:09:54 As long as you don't make it support only files up to a fixed size. 19:10:12 KK, ill see what i can do 19:10:33 C++ will do better there 19:10:57 what if you just don't write med at all 19:12:07 what's hackego's output buffer size limit? 19:12:15 like the limit of how large a string can be in irc 19:12:26 `` sed -i -e 's|> "$2"|> /tmp/med.tmp \&\& mv /tmp/med.tmp "$2"|' bin/med 19:12:29 No output. 19:12:33 That might've fixed it. Or it might've not. 19:13:34 ok its 256 chars 19:13:46 That sounds unlikely. 19:14:03 i looked it up 19:14:26 That's not the limit of how large a string can be in IRC, at least. 19:14:34 It might be HackEgo's output limit, for all I know. 19:14:38 oh 19:14:56 can you check hackego's output limit? i need to know it so i can put it in the defines 19:15:09 Why would you need to know that? 19:15:22 so med can tell the user when something is too long 19:16:45 `` perl -e 'for ($i = 10; $i < 600; $i += 10) { printf "%010d", $i; }' 19:16:46 00000000100000000020000000003000000000400000000050000000006000000000700000000080000000009000000001000000000110000000012000000001300000000140000000015000000001600000000170000000018000000001900000000200000000021000000002200000000230000000024000000002500000000260000000027000000002800000000290000000030000000003100000000320000000033000000003400000000350 19:16:59 Looks like around 350 bytes. 19:17:25 thats the exact number 19:17:44 It's also right there in the sources. 19:19:42 Well, the exact limit is actually "if the output is valid UTF-8, then 350 characters, but further upper-bounded by the IRC line length; otherwise 350 bytes", the latter of which will probably always fit on an IRC line. 19:25:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:25:50 why i suddenly decided to golf a bit of code, i have no idea: case "ap":if(argc==3){file+=data2} 19:26:14 ... why not remove the "{}"? 19:28:16 oh i forgot i didnt need them :P 19:32:30 'if' is pretty extravagant. 19:32:43 case"ap":argc==3&&file+=data2. 19:35:29 @tell oerjan * oerjan wonders if aldin has met dupree... <-- or heard of Skifander? 19:35:29 Consider it noted. 19:36:48 i didnt even knw that was valid 19:37:11 and im not golfing, i just randomly golfed a piece of code for no reason 19:48:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:49:53 moon_: well, I don't consider it a good idea 19:50:19 Yea, i undid it 19:50:41 moon_: using "&&" relies on the specifics about boolean "ands" 19:50:49 which do not make for understandable code 19:55:25 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:07:27 ``med 20:07:31 `` med 20:07:46 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `med: not found 20:07:46 No output. 20:12:05 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 20:29:17 [wiki] [[Fold]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47063&oldid=47059 * Moon * (+336) Added a minimal example and its Haskell equivalent 20:30:17 10 updates in 3 months... moonslayer is progressing so slowly... 20:30:48 ? 20:31:38 moon_: no relation, it's a webcomic 20:31:44 int-e: I can say that you're practically lucky... a whole 10 updates in 3 months? 20:31:58 http://moonslayer.monicang.com/ 20:33:08 int-e what do you think of fold? 20:33:36 nothing 20:33:59 Ah well, i guess the origami tape is a start, at least 20:34:25 (suffice it to say that the easiest way to enjoy MT in my experience is to read through it in one big archive trawl, then wait a year or so to let your mind lose the plot, and repeat. Otherwise you'll just eventually forget to keep an eye on it...) 20:34:38 (YMMV.) 20:35:18 MT? 20:35:21 gamemanj: what do you think of the idea of a folding tape? :P 20:36:19 my mind comes up with MegaTokyo, and I'm hoping that's not it. 20:36:47 or Moon Town, hmm 20:36:54 Lol get out of my town 20:39:02 so apparently the comic turned into a graphic novel and then a novel 20:39:29 (cf. http://steveogden.com/moontown/comic/moon-town-2012/ ) 20:39:50 $>#&@ this is a infinite incrementer, acting like [0,1..] the Haskell equivalent to it 20:40:17 moon_: you may find common references to the celestial body whose name you chose as your nick. 20:40:29 I get that :P 20:42:14 int-e: Why are you hoping MegaTokyo's not it? (Mind, it's back onto a semi-regular-ish-maybe update schedule. Looking at the last 3's dates - I haven't kept an eye on it for a while - 10 to 15 days, so probably 6 to 9 in 3 months...) 20:42:35 maybe because it's notoriously shit? 20:44:09 gamemanj: Well personally I want to forget that I used to read it. 20:45:16 `url bin 20:45:19 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin 20:45:22 This is getting interesting... at what point did you decide this? 20:45:54 especially since there are so many well-drawn comics with good stories (and plenty of less well drawn comics with good stories) out there now. 20:52:30 looooool megatokyo has a $300k kickstarter for a visual novel that's two years overdue 20:52:48 admittedly that's almost reasonable in a world where star citizen exists 20:54:40 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:34:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:57:25 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 22:01:11 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:26:19 i just pushed 5741 new commits on github 22:29:36 * izabera worked hard 22:30:19 `` hg identify -n 22:30:26 8163 22:30:34 Or is that the thing, hmm. 22:31:00 Guess it is. 22:31:06 hey that's unfair 22:31:13 those are already commits 22:31:36 i created those 5k commits myself in the last 30 min 22:31:45 while true; do ...? 22:31:56 no <.< 22:32:44 -!- Kaynato has joined. 22:32:45 we have a bot in #bash and i wrote a script to convert its factoids to a git repo with the right date <.< 22:32:49 and author 22:32:53 and all the things 22:33:52 but i put it in an organization and now it doesn't count in my github commit graph :C 22:54:43 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:57:24 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 22:58:16 `? oerjan 22:58:18 Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 22:58:33 `` sed -i 's/evil/kind/' wisdom/oerjan 22:58:39 No output. 22:59:24 Let's experiment with tmp/. 23:00:40 I misread that as TAP. 23:00:49 `` echo one > tmp/test 23:00:51 No output. 23:00:54 `` mv tmp/test share/test 23:00:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:00:57 mv: cannot stat `tmp/test': No such file or directory 23:01:00 `cat share/test 23:01:01 cat: share/test: No such file or directory 23:01:03 `cat tmp/test 23:01:05 cat: tmp/test: No such file or directory 23:01:10 `` hg log | grep summary: | head -n1 23:01:19 summary: ` sed -i \'s/evil/kind/\' wisdom/oerjan 23:01:25 `` echo one > tmp/test 23:01:25 No output. 23:01:40 Well, that makes sense, as much as it can. 23:01:40 `` cp tmp/test share/test 23:01:44 No output. 23:01:47 `cat share/test 23:01:48 one 23:01:51 `rm share/test 23:01:53 No output. 23:02:05 `rm tmp/test 23:02:06 No output. 23:02:20 It's all so logical, yet strange. 23:02:22 OK, well, using tmp/, a command can figure out whether it's running for the first or second time. 23:02:35 So there are probably a few things we could fix that way. 23:02:50 I think that's been done, though I forget exactly how. 23:03:04 Easier with tmp/, of course. 23:03:40 fizzie: I forgot about that interpretation of every string that ends with a /. 23:04:03 fizzie: Does mail/ work these days? 23:04:06 @time fizzie 23:04:07 Local time for fizzie is Wed May 25 23:04:06 2016 23:04:16 Maybe not the right time to ask. 23:04:24 I'm not sure what it would be. Something else than m/? 23:04:30 No, same thing. 23:04:50 At one point it wasn't working and I think I submitted a CL to fix it though I'm not sure anymore. 23:04:57 I don't know, I've always just used the short thing. 23:05:55 I found out about the short thing too late. 23:06:15 Recently I've been infiltrating the downstairs folks who work on TTS. 23:06:16 fizzie: What do you do about URLs like that not supporting https? twh 23:06:38 s/W/w/ s/URL/url/ 23:07:40 I'm not sure. I know I put in all go/ links via https://goto. and so on. 23:08:03 You do? 23:08:13 I do, though I don't think people generally bother. 23:08:54 You mean goto. as a TLD or goto and then a domain name? 23:09:07 Goto and a domain name. 23:09:34 Sorry, that was a bit ambiguous. 23:24:51 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:34:20 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 23:37:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:48:41 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:50:15 @messages- 23:50:15 int-e said 4h 14m 45s ago: * oerjan wonders if aldin has met dupree... <-- or heard of Skifander? 23:51:01 @tell int-e ooh, good idea. i was just thinking that since Tarvek had similar experience... 23:51:01 Consider it noted. 23:51:32 james james / morrison morrison / weatherby george dupree 23:53:23 shachaf: why are you slandering me in wisdom that's EVIL 23:53:42 ...clearly you are trying to push me off the evil throne 23:54:16 being retired, you can't do a thing about it hth 23:54:45 oerjan: Did you see the part where "mv tmp/foo some_nonignored_path" is equivalent to "rm tmp/foo"? I liked that part. 23:55:04 fizzie: fancy 23:55:13 obvious in retrospect 23:55:26 What if some_nonignored_path already exists? 23:55:45 I think then also. 23:55:46 I guess the behavior would be the same. 23:56:02 I completely did not think of it when suggesting to do things in tmp/ and then move them to a persistent place when ready. 23:56:11 It was not a sneaky plan to cause discord. 23:56:32 `` sed -i s/kind/sneaky/ wisdom/oerjan 23:56:59 fizzie: that is a completely plausible and not suspicious clarification. 23:56:59 No output. 23:57:24 oerjan: your last statement has undertones of sarcasm 23:57:37 but if you keep it up, i may have to link to tvtropes (&| allthetropes) 23:57:37 Beep boop I am a robot. 23:57:54 `? evil thronw 23:57:55 evil thronw? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:57:55 Now I can't tell whether it was a sneaky fizzie plan to cause discord. 23:57:57 `? evil throne 23:57:58 evil throne? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:58:15 `grep throne wisdom/* 23:58:28 uhm 23:58:29 oerjan used to be on the evil throne 23:58:29 fizzie: pating bedoop? 23:58:33 `` grep throne wisdom/* 23:58:34 but then he was evil overthrone 23:58:43 ^style nh 23:58:43 Not found. 23:58:46 ^style nethack 23:58:46 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 23:58:46 No output. 23:58:52 fungot: What are thrones good for? 23:58:52 grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches 23:58:52 fizzie: vampires hate garlic. go-daigo eventually escaped and established the emperor komyo on the floor. ( the tyger, by michael flanders) of lahmu and lahamu. anshar is mentioned in the dungeon while wearing a closely fitting robe with only his hands free. 23:58:53 Y'all ought to use rgrep instead instead of grep wisdom/* 23:59:08 I just wonder how the evilness of a throne would manifest itself 23:59:20 `? reflection 23:59:21 cat.reflection. 23:59:25 I suppose it would fail to be there the moment somebody tries to sit on it 2016-05-26: 00:00:24 fungot: So Anshar sat on a throne? 00:00:24 fizzie: eating a yeti. peace and quiet boy, and kill him. " it is among the captains of the bush there came a low hiss a horrid cold sound that made rikki-tikki jump back two clear feet. then inch by inch out of those unwary enough to allow the lovely sweet taste to spread out, and secretly covets moloch's position. moloch doesn't trust him, then gradually changes color until it is among the weaker of demons, wallows in filth a 00:00:45 Very graphic. 00:01:12 `? yeti 00:01:13 These are not the yetis you are looking for. 00:02:30 fizzie: were you being sneaky or not 00:02:51 i guess you were 00:02:54 `? fizzie 00:02:55 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 00:03:15 `` sed -i 's/k/sneaky k/' wisdom/fizzie 00:03:17 No output. 00:03:24 `` sed -i s/sneaky/kind/ wisdom/oerjan 00:03:28 No output. 00:03:38 `le/rn evil throne/The evil throne belongs to oerjan, when he's not being overthrone. He rarely sits on it, though, since that time it tried to eat him. 00:03:41 Learned «evil throne» 00:03:42 oh hm 00:03:51 `le/rn evil throne/The evil throne belongs to oerjan, when he's not being overthrone. He rarely sits on it, though, since that time it tried to eat him. 00:03:54 Relearned «evil throne» 00:04:01 always mixing up the space dogmas 00:04:11 spogmas 00:07:28 shachaf: i figure i cannot swat you for a pun i end up stealing hth 00:07:50 oerjan: I gave you that pun in a half-finished state. 00:08:01 I'd like to make it work grammatically but I didn't figure out how. 00:08:27 hm 00:09:01 `? drone 00:09:04 drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. 00:09:26 `? throne sex 00:09:28 throne sex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:09:35 wat 00:09:47 `` cd wisdom; echo *sex* 00:09:47 that reminds me of a play i was in once 00:09:48 drone sex sex 00:09:52 `? sex 00:09:53 Sex is a board game which originated in Britain in the 1870s before spreading throughout Europe in the 1890s. Sex was introduced to the rest of the world by a book, "The Complete Guide to Sex", written and published in 1932, based on the author's extensive experience with a wide variety of forms of European sex. 00:10:07 the line was "the poisoner mounts the throne", and i played the part of the throne 00:10:43 did you eat the poisoner twh 00:10:45 ... 00:10:48 `` grep 'rone$' share/dict-words | xargs 00:10:50 Gaborone Tyrone chaperone crone dethrone drone enthrone krone minestrone progesterone prone testosterone throne 00:12:00 int-e: you will note that Taneb did not invent it hth 00:12:06 `` grep 'gry$' share/dict-words | xargs 00:12:08 angry demagogry hungry 00:12:22 demagogry! of course 00:12:31 oerjan: i don't think that happens in that play hth 00:13:18 http://www.merriam-webster.com/help/faq-third-common-gry-word lacks demagogry, but has a number of others. 00:13:50 https://xkcd.com/169/ 00:13:58 -!- boily has joined. 00:14:16 helping the inevitable along. uhoily. 00:14:23 <\oren\> I thoht it was spelt demagogury? 00:14:47 tail share/dict-words 00:14:51 `` tail share/dict-words 00:14:54 ​élan's \ émigré \ émigré's \ émigrés \ épée \ épée's \ épées \ étude \ étude's \ études 00:15:12 helløœΩrjan! 00:15:13 plausible 00:15:16 thausible 00:15:20 <\oren\> false! é is not a letter in English words! 00:15:22 `` grep '^demagog' share/dict-words | xargs 00:15:25 xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option \ demagog 00:15:35 oerjan: did we learn that serious physical violence is the solution to mild linguistic frustration 00:15:38 Hm, shouldn't have tried to fancy. 00:15:41 `` grep '^demagog' share/dict-words 00:15:42 demagog \ demagog's \ demagogic \ demagogry \ demagogs \ demagogue \ demagogue's \ demagoguery \ demagoguery's \ demagogues \ demagogy \ demagogy's 00:15:53 I just don't like the backslashes. 00:15:56 shachaf: that's the kind of message black hat guy would approve of. 00:16:18 it's ok 00:16:26 i can undestand not wanting to be around linguists 00:16:49 hé\\orén\. what about "résumé" and "pâté"? 00:16:53 I think the it's-language explanation works much better with the other wording. 00:17:11 "Think of three words ending in -gry. Angry and hungry are two of them. There are only three words in the English language. What is the third word?" 00:17:22 language. 00:17:29 <\oren\> boily: you mean resume and pate 00:18:03 * boily diacrithwacks \oren\ 00:18:51 it's like our French cousins who say "patte" and "pâte" the same way. diacritics are there for a reason! they must be pronounced! 00:18:56 \oren\: I bet you don't believe in multiocular o, either. 00:19:43 They forgot the word "burgry". 00:19:47 that xargs default looks very unhelpful. 00:19:52 boily: They don't speak French in \oren\'s country. 00:19:53 You know—"with burger", "full of burger". 00:20:37 And "lagry". 00:20:42 `` grep '^demagog' share/dict-words | fmt -w350 00:20:44 demagog demagog's demagogic demagogry demagogs demagogue demagogue's demagoguery demagoguery's demagogues demagogy demagogy's 00:22:05 And "swaggry". 00:22:29 some people don't care for my rhetoric because of my accent. but when i speak in deir dialect, it leaves dem agog 00:22:40 fizzie: ^ 00:22:56 * boily thwacks shachaf. 0.95 shachafs 00:23:06 the "th" and "th" sounds in english are absent in a lot of languages 00:23:45 thrue. 00:23:50 thausible. 00:24:35 @wn agog 00:24:36 *** "agog" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 00:24:36 agog 00:24:36 adj 1: highly excited 00:24:59 <\oren\> buggry! 00:25:49 <\oren\> @wn magog 00:25:51 No match for "magog". 00:26:18 <\oren\> i could have sworn there was some sort of place called "magog" 00:26:32 tswett: i'm not sure i agry to that word 00:26:42 \oren\: gog and magog are in the bible iirc 00:27:38 I wonder where Jafet's gone. 00:28:31 <\oren\> ah I know, I saw it in one of those conspiracy theory videos on youtube 00:28:49 How many languages even have dental fricatives? 00:28:54 <\oren\> gog is the EU and magog is China 00:29:24 pikhq: We can be sure that Molvanian doesn't. 00:29:31 \oren\: there's a Magog in Québec, and a Lac Memphrémagog. 00:30:24 <\oren\> the apocalypse will come, not as a war, but a hockey riot that ends the universe 00:30:24 Jafet was a champion at amused detachment. 00:33:49 <\oren\> when the maple leafs defeat the canadiens and secure the stanley cup, the earth will shudder to a halt, and burning police cars will rain from orbit! 00:34:47 <\oren\> that'll teach them to make fun of Canada! 00:35:03 as much as I root for the Leafs, and as much as the Habs just plain suck, I highly doubt it'll ever happen hth 00:35:18 (doesn't mean it won't be fun if it ever does!) 00:35:35 pikhq: icelandic, spanish, greek at least. 00:36:41 is that only in spanish spanish? 00:36:43 <\oren\> spanish doesn't have th? 00:36:48 bonjouroily 00:36:56 <\oren\> at least not when I learned it 00:37:00 shachaf: ah yes. the unvoiced one. 00:37:21 \oren\: it's not in latin american spanish, usually. 00:37:33 <\oren\> ah 00:37:44 coppronsoir! 00:39:16 nice 00:50:57 -!- augur has joined. 00:52:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:03:36 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:09:53 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: brb). 01:10:42 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 01:13:41 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:24:43 shachaf: I didn't really think about it not being web-visible while in tmp. <-- i did, that's why i fixed `url to notice. `paste should still work although of course copies. 01:38:27 `? oerjan 01:38:56 Your retired mysterious kind cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 01:39:13 `` sed -i 's/kind/adjectival/' wisdom/oerjan 01:39:19 No output. 01:47:09 `? boily 01:47:11 ​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist. 01:47:43 oerjan is about to outlength me! 'tis unacceptable! 01:48:07 `` wc wisdom/{oerjan,boily} 01:48:10 ​ 1 45 291 wisdom/oerjan \ 1 44 292 wisdom/boily \ 2 89 583 total 01:48:22 no panicking 01:49:34 boily: it's not my fault that shachaf keeps adding stuff. 01:49:46 `culprits wisdom/oerjan 01:49:58 anyway: 01:49:58 oerjan shachaf shachaf shachaf oerjan shachaf shachaf shachaf shachaf oerjan oerjan int-e shachaf shachaf shachaf oerjan shachaf oerjan shachaf oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull shachaf shachaf ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull oerjan FreeFull oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf shachaf nitia 01:50:35 helloily 01:50:39 quinthellopia! 01:50:55 how is canadia 01:51:10 warm and humid. 01:51:14 @metar CYUL 01:51:14 CYUL 260000Z 31010KT 15SM FEW050TCU SCT240 23/12 A2998 RMK TCU1CI2 SLP155 DENSITY ALT 900FT 01:51:31 TCU indeed. 01:51:36 @metar KATL 01:51:37 KATL 252352Z 18007KT 10SM SCT250 28/12 A3017 RMK AO2 SLP208 T02780122 10306 20278 55003 01:52:16 im not there 01:53:02 @metar KFNL 01:53:02 KFNL 260035Z AUTO 14007KT 10SM CLR 22/06 A2992 RMK AO1 01:53:22 that is disturbingly west! 01:53:42 `` sed -i 's/He can[^.]*./Now when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead./' wisdom/oerjan 01:53:46 No output. 01:53:50 `? oerjan 01:53:51 Your retired mysterious adjectival cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. Now when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 01:53:59 even more antipodal than usual 01:54:21 time to ride 01:54:36 @tell fizzie shachaf: I didn't really think about it not being web-visible while in tmp. <-- i did, that's why i fixed `url to notice. `paste should still work although of course copies. 01:54:36 Consider it noted. 01:55:03 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 01:55:43 @metar ENVA 01:55:43 ENVA 252350Z 09005KT 360V110 9999 BKN034 06/02 Q1026 RMK WIND 670FT 07005KT 01:56:22 neither warm nor humid, at the moment. 02:13:56 bonnuitopia, børjanne nuit! 02:14:09 . o O ( hmm... how can I bonne nuit shachaf... ) 02:14:22 coppronne nuit! 02:14:28 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRAFFIC CHICKEN). 02:16:34 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:37:29 b'The important thing is to not stop questioning.istioning.ispioning.ostioning.istioning.istioning.ist' 02:44:29 b'Thesio.oiiiiuoiioiioioioii.iis.oiioiipiissoooiiigpoiipioiigsiiugo oipogiiiiiiiiiie iiiiipiemiiiiiioe' 03:00:02 hello 03:02:37 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 03:11:21 <\oren\> once again I am cursed to watch ion engines run for hours on end 03:11:47 <\oren\> or nuclear engines 03:12:00 EVE? 03:12:35 <\oren\> KSP 03:13:43 <\oren\> I have to perform a burn of 1400 m/s with a engine that accelerates at 0.5 m/s^2 03:15:07 <\oren\> in this case it's only 40 minutes but still 03:21:39 <\oren\> I made the mistake of sending out 6 probes of the same design, with nuclear engines... 03:22:04 <\oren\> weak, tiny ones 03:34:28 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 03:36:44 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:48:25 -!- augur has joined. 03:52:23 [wiki] [[Z]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47064 * 71.202.114.203 * (+2013) Described a programming language I invented. 04:05:28 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:13:09 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 04:15:46 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 04:17:26 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 04:45:42 -!- staffehn has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 04:46:18 -!- staffehn has joined. 04:59:44 <\oren\> is there a way to pause a program at a particular point and save it as an executable? 05:00:22 Not without a *lot* of hacks. 05:01:58 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 05:06:11 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:08:05 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:08:08 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 05:19:47 -!- Akaibu has joined. 05:25:20 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 05:26:38 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:26:45 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 05:34:23 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:07:34 -!- gniourf has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:11:46 -!- gniourf has joined. 06:20:48 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:41:06 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to kernigh. 06:41:08 -!- kernigh has changed nick to Elronnd. 07:07:03 -!- augur has joined. 07:12:18 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:21:34 <\oren\> Yay, obligatory swimsuit episode 07:22:40 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:47:04 \oren\: Wat 08:00:50 oerjan: I've been editing instead of adding lately. 08:04:09 \oren\: there used to be, but these days operating system and runtime state of programs got much more complicated, so it usually doesn't work. 08:05:27 \oren\: so it's possible only if you control what your program does, but that involves lots of things including internal details of the libc 08:05:33 \oren\: the keyword to look for is undump 08:05:40 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:08:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: "lately"). 08:09:28 ...apparently sascatchewan was planning to (and perhaps did) kill free speech in march 08:09:40 Good thing it can't affect anything real, given that it's a made-up place 08:11:09 `? oerjan 08:11:56 Your retired mysterious adjectival cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. Now when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 08:13:00 `` sed -i 's/\./ lately./' wisdom/oerjan 08:13:07 Too bad that trick doesn't work on logreaders. 08:15:33 nice, he's got updated text 08:15:55 ``` cat wisdom/o[ex]r[jt]a[np] 08:16:07 Your retired mysterious adjectival cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. Now when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 08:16:31 `` hg log | grep summary: | grep amortized 08:16:42 summary: ` sed -i \'s/He can[^.]*./Now when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead./\' wisdom/oerjan \ summary: learn An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ summary: learn_append oerjan He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. 08:17:04 I missed that. 08:17:06 oerjan++ 09:10:54 shachaf: oerjan# is just a lame copy of fungot 09:10:54 hppavilion[2]: they say that a potion of healing can cancel a potion of sickness. fear would have been wiped off the tree, and one of his face and his sword-blade was stained black. it has the power to protect the wearer's view sense into the base, two! and through and through and through the torso. the glare from the third time, at night. 09:13:54 I just found the official list of Acceptable Venezuelan Pranks 09:14:08 No mention of #esoteric or canaima 09:57:45 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Pallinger * New user account 09:58:41 [wiki] [[Anguish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47065 * Pallinger * (+443) Anguish language summary and link to definition and interpreter 10:00:48 unsigned int true_random_seed(void) 10:00:50 // return a true random seed (which depends on the time) 10:00:52 { 10:05:48 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:06:21 hello 10:07:54 @message oerjan I tried to send a message via lambdabot and it did not work. You told me it did not work. I already knew it did not work, but not how to make it work. 10:07:54 Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages? 10:10:41 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:11:36 oerjan: "amortized" is from latin, right? it means "beloved"? 10:16:36 Koen_: @tell. 10:17:16 ohhhhhhhh 10:17:18 thank you 10:49:44 argh 10:50:19 I'm undoing all my work on a code because I have to make it compatible with some other code that works completely differently 10:50:29 most of the interface and implementation will change 10:52:24 I guess that's why they say "encapsulating" is so important. does the other code really have to know how your code is doing things? 10:52:37 Koen_: both are encapsulated and have proper interfaces 10:52:58 it's just that their interfaces are so different that I can't just turn my code a wrapper around the other code like I wanted 10:53:22 Hi 10:53:38 the other code requires that I provide some values earlier during some process, and it supplies some other values later 10:53:48 whereas my code does those two things at the same time 10:54:48 then I guess the only remaining options are to either curse the other code for being different, or thank the other code for forcing a new way of thinking upon your code 11:00:15 -!- Koen__ has joined. 11:02:08 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 11:02:15 -!- Koen_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:03:36 Koen_: I'm cursing the other code, yes 11:03:51 good choice 11:08:51 -!- augur has joined. 11:13:44 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:16:52 -!- f10d4 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:32:37 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:43:29 -!- ybden has joined. 11:52:27 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:53:17 -!- heroux has joined. 12:05:34 /msg MemoServ send Koen__ you can also send messages like this, use the `list' and `read' (see `help') commands with `MemoServ' to read. notification on identification, iirc 12:09:39 true, but I'd need to be identified to send or receive messages that way 12:24:41 hm, receive, anyway 12:24:47 * ski doesn't know about send 12:27:57 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:32:28 lambdabot has a much more personal touch than MemoServ. 12:33:47 ``` cd wisdom && find -iname "*laugh*" 12:34:07 ski: you need to be identified to send a message as well 12:34:36 No output. 12:34:37 ok 12:35:12 lambdabot `tell' has the advantage of notifying on activity 12:45:09 ski: memoserv notifies when you identify to nickserv (or at connection if that's when you identify) 12:48:04 ok (as i said, then) 13:10:02 -!- augur has joined. 13:14:03 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:21:18 ``` cd wisdom && find -iname "*laugh*" && echo ZdlNKYtR 13:21:29 ZdlNKYtR 13:40:44 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:47:08 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:52:26 ``` echo No output. 13:52:38 No output. 14:19:07 `No output. 14:19:08 No output. 14:19:25 `` cat bin/No # spoilers 14:19:27 ​#!/bin/sh 14:29:36 * FireFly . o O ( echo "$0 $@" ) 14:47:11 [wiki] [[Z]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47066&oldid=47064 * Keymaker * (+4) Linked truth-machine to its page. 15:07:34 -!- augur has joined. 15:10:53 `` shift -1 # too bad 15:11:03 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: shift: -1: shift count out of range 15:11:10 -!- noloveinwaikiki has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 15:27:30 -!- spiette has joined. 15:30:38 -!- gamemanj has joined. 15:39:38 -!- sebbu has joined. 15:50:49 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:01:39 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 16:13:04 -!- Tiktailk has quit (Changing host). 16:13:04 -!- Tiktailk has joined. 16:13:07 -!- Tiktailk has changed nick to Tiktalik. 16:21:16 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:26:47 <\oren\> `` echo # i dont know bash syntax. will this be output? 16:27:06 No output. 16:27:30 It's a comment. 16:28:29 <\oren\> right but i didnt know whether # starts a comment at the end of a line 16:29:26 <\oren\> in basic rem only works at the start 16:30:39 <\oren\> hmmm... actually apparently in vb .net it now works anywhere in a line 16:31:53 <\oren\> i could have sworn that wawnt the case ij vb6 16:37:11 QBasic allowed 'comment in-line with other statements, but not rem comments. 16:37:15 https://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDg0 16:51:28 -!- augur has joined. 16:52:35 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 17:01:02 -!- atrapado has joined. 17:08:13 I'll make sure to keep that in mind. 17:50:15 -!- centrinia has joined. 17:56:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:00:06 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:06:20 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:06:48 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:08:35 -!- Koen__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:23:58 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:31:01 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:34:41 -!- atrapado has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:43:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:58:30 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Natemara * New user account 20:00:19 [wiki] [[Bugmaker]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47067&oldid=24852 * Natemara * (+114) /* Gotchas */ 20:15:53 -!- Kaynato has joined. 20:26:50 -!- dnm has joined. 20:36:44 -!- zenobit has joined. 20:36:51 'lo. 20:45:24 hi 20:45:34 who u? 20:46:54 [wiki] [[Stapler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47068&oldid=40269 * LegionMammal978 * (+34) formatting 20:47:13 a dude who made https://bitbucket.org/little-bit/zeno 20:47:36 you? 20:50:15 i live here 20:50:21 http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Quintopia 20:55:22 lol. 21:02:39 so, what's zeno? 21:06:37 -!- zenobit has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:06:59 okay 21:07:18 I see you're dodging the questions then 21:08:19 I think zenobit lost connection before you asked, judging by the ping timeout 21:09:07 estimate... 21:02:17. 21:09:33 hmm. Leaves the opportunity that the client disappeared the moment it received your message, but... 21:09:38 how goes koen? 21:14:44 fine 21:15:03 a little tired and looking forward to a boring month of june 21:16:06 :) 21:26:01 -!- augur has joined. 21:51:29 -!- zgrep_ has joined. 22:09:52 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:10:31 -!- heroux has joined. 22:27:41 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:39:27 -!- zgrep_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:45:48 -!- zgrep_ has joined. 22:47:06 -!- zgrep_ has quit (Client Quit). 22:58:11 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to Elronnd. 22:58:22 oerjan: hang on 22:58:37 oerjan: if fizzie's the king of #esoteric, why do you have the throne? 23:01:44 shachaf, oerjan could be the queen 23:02:47 Taneb: is this a xanth-style usage of the words hth 23:02:52 twh 23:03:49 I am not sure what you mean by that 23:04:17 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 23:04:53 @wn queen 23:04:54 *** "queen" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 23:04:54 queen 23:04:54 n 1: the only fertile female in a colony of social insects such 23:04:54 as bees and ants and termites; its function is to lay eggs 23:04:54 2: a female sovereign ruler [syn: {queen}, {queen regnant}, 23:04:56 [18 @more lines] 23:05:03 shachaf: i'm pretty sure i'm male 23:07:44 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to Elronnd. 23:08:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:16:39 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:18:04 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:19:13 -!- Melvar has joined. 23:31:12 [wiki] [[InterpretMe]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47069 * 38.99.32.130 * (+211) Created page with "InterpretMe is a joke language created by an anonymous user (the same user who created [[z]]). 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A self-interpre..." 23:32:18 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47070&oldid=47061 * 38.99.32.130 * (+8) /* Z */ 23:33:27 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 23:34:37 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47071&oldid=47051 * 38.99.32.130 * (+65) 23:36:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:40:16 @messages? 23:40:16 Sorry, no messages today. 23:40:54 Koen_: i saw your message in the logs. i have no idea what you're referring to. 23:41:38 oh that reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend not long ago 23:41:45 and it's been so long since you were last here that it's probably useless to check recent logs. 23:42:23 it went like so: "-what? -what? -what? -did you say something? -no. did you? -no. -ok" 23:43:57 Too bad that trick doesn't work on logreaders. <-- shocking 23:44:10 @time oerjan 23:44:11 Local time for oerjan is Fri May 27 00:44:10 2016 23:44:20 did you just wake up 23:44:37 oerjan: It doesn't work on you at all anymore, because I used it too much. 23:44:37 shachaf: that edit wouldn't have fit well grammatically, i think. 23:44:58 shachaf: true. no, i came back from the restaurant. 23:45:08 pizza with chicken and pesto. 23:45:10 oerjan: well neither does the "Now" at the beginning of the third sentence hth 23:45:30 *sigh* 23:45:33 `? oerjan 23:46:02 Your retired mysterious adjectival cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. Now when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 23:46:10 shachaf: i considered changing it to "Nowadays", but this all started with boily complaining it was too long... 23:46:33 oh. 23:46:49 the solution is, of course, obvious. 23:46:53 oerjan: yes 23:47:01 i think we thought of the same solution at the same time hth 23:47:06 `` sed -i 's/Now/Lately/' wisdom/oerjan 23:47:21 No output. 23:47:36 oerjan has been editing lately instead of adding 23:54:12 oerjan: "amortized" is from latin, right? it means "beloved"? <-- you may be confusing with "amatus" hth 23:54:42 oerjan: the pun was meant to be about "amor" 23:54:49 but it was half-hearted 23:56:45 the words aren't even related, it's ad + mort- 2016-05-27: 00:08:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:09:33 oerjan: if fizzie's the king of #esoteric, why do you have the throne? <-- just the evil throne. fizzie wisely refuses to use it. 00:10:15 `? `` sed -i 's/sneaky/kind sneaky/' wisdom/fizzie 00:10:29 time to pile on the adjectives 00:10:47 `? fizzie 00:10:54 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 00:11:05 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 00:11:09 sheesh 00:11:43 wait 00:11:48 i didn't even type what i meant 00:11:52 `? `` sed -i 's/sneaky/wise sneaky/' wisdom/fizzie 00:12:00 not sure where the word "kind" came from 00:12:11 i guess it was just a kind error. 00:12:17 must've been oerjan's kindness leaking through 00:12:40 `? oerjan 00:12:42 Your retired mysterious adjectival cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up instead. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. 00:12:45 adjectival? 00:12:51 `` grep -r sneaky wisdom 00:12:58 wisdom/fizzie:fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 00:13:04 what's the itymology on that one 00:13:11 because itym kind 00:13:19 ichtymology? 00:13:42 `learn Ichtymology is like itymology, but even more fishy. 00:13:46 Learned 'ichtymology': Ichtymology is like itymology, but even more fishy. 00:14:01 did I just officially invent a word? 00:14:04 yep. 00:14:08 cool 00:14:15 I can check that off my list 00:14:28 @where sneaky 00:14:28 dropFromEnd n xs = zipWith const xs (drop n xs) 00:14:46 how's that for sneaky hth 00:14:59 not very sneaky. 00:15:15 says you 00:15:17 @where sneaky2 00:15:17 lazyReverse xs = go xs (reverse xs) where go (_:xs) ~(y:ys) = y : go xs ys; go [] ~[] = [] 00:15:23 bam 00:15:25 maximum sneak 00:16:22 why isn't go just zipWith (flip const) 00:16:39 oh wait. 00:16:46 NEVER MIND 00:17:11 are you feeling snacky 00:17:15 so, I just bought this computer that can store real numbers 00:17:21 what can I do with it? 00:17:27 What, all of them? 00:18:02 shachaf: hm not in the right way, i think. 00:18:08 well, only a finite number of real numbers at any given time 00:18:19 but any of them 00:18:25 oerjan: do you mean that you want to snack rather than to be snacked 00:19:24 Koen_: Even uncomputable ones? 00:19:35 yep 00:19:49 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 00:20:06 el numero real 00:20:29 Koen_: just get hold of Chaitin's omega and you're in business. 00:21:51 shachaf: as in, i already had some chocolate and now i might be slightly feeling the blood sugar falling again. 00:22:14 and although it's tempting to eat more, it might make it worse. 00:22:23 maybe just a tiny piece -> 00:22:27 it might make it better too 00:22:32 you never, like, know, man 00:22:54 oerjan: wait, I said store, not compute 00:23:15 -!- izabera has changed nick to `izabera`. 00:23:21 just because it could manipulate a number doesn't mean it could solve any equations of which that number is the solution 00:23:38 Koen_: darn. 00:24:23 Koen_: i guess it depends on what manipulations you can do. 00:24:43 Koen_: Can it store a number in constant time? 00:24:50 sure 00:25:01 there are some numbers that people would be highly interested in knowing whether they are rational. 00:25:13 e.g. e*pi 00:25:28 is that an open problem? 00:25:42 @src Real 00:25:42 class (Num a, Ord a) => Real a where 00:25:42 toRational :: a -> Rational 00:25:49 > toRational (e*pi) 00:25:51 *Exception: not a rational number: e * pi 00:25:51 surely some teacher would have mentioned it if it was 00:25:56 > toRational (exp 1*pi) 00:25:57 1201860745721117 % 140737488355328 00:26:03 hth 00:26:43 well, only a finite number of real numbers at any given time <-- you can compress a countable number of real numbers into a single one hth 00:27:06 yeah 00:27:17 I've been at some unease towards real numbers for a very long time 00:27:30 Koen_: yes, neither e*pi nor e+pi are known. 00:27:40 although they cannot both be rational 00:27:48 e+pi isn't known?? 00:27:58 there are some obvious gaps in our maths 00:28:19 <`izabera`> turns out it's hard to prove it 00:29:50 well, known whether rational or algebraic 00:29:50 how come I have never heard about that before? I have had math teachers!! 00:30:01 obviously you can calculate just about as many digits as you like. 00:30:43 "The best-known transcendental numbers are π and e." (wikipedia) 00:30:49 well apparently we don't know a lot 00:31:06 of course the expected result is that every combination of e and pi that doesn't have an obvious reason to be algebraic, is transcendental. 00:31:15 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Not a typewriter). 00:32:52 e^pi is also known, as a consequence of being a value of i^(1/i). 00:32:58 er 00:33:10 * (-1)^(1/i) 00:34:06 * ski . o O ( ) 00:36:44 http://i.imgur.com/WcGcdkZ.png :( 00:37:09 does that mean we only have 11 transcendental numbers so far 00:37:45 <`izabera`> you misread 00:38:20 * ski . o O ( ) 00:38:48 "Any non-constant algebraic function of a single variable yields a transcendental value when applied to a transcendental argument. For example, from knowing that π is transcendental, we can immediately deduce that numbers such as 5π, (π − 3)/√2, (√π − √3)8 and (π5 + 7)1/7 are transcendental as well." 00:39:40 okay 00:40:33 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:40:39 well, this has been very interesting 00:40:42 thank you 00:41:02 hi ski 00:41:11 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 00:41:15 should i do a presentation about chu spaces 00:42:23 what sorts of "cool chu space facts" would you talk about 00:48:57 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:52:06 . o O ( if chu want ) 00:53:18 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:06:29 -!- `izabera` has changed nick to izabera. 01:19:24 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:22:09 :\ 01:22:33 what happened 01:24:18 hello 01:24:37 where did your backticks go? 01:24:48 gone with the wind 01:26:03 oh? i've always gound it rather difficult to get rid of ticks. 01:26:49 especially when they are on my back where I cant see or grab them 01:31:13 *found 01:32:33 that was fun :P 01:33:05 -!- Kaynato has joined. 01:33:45 no? what now? 01:34:21 the back ticks thing <.< 01:34:36 don't complain when people find your jokes funny 01:37:31 im not complaining, judt didnt realize you were talking about that 01:38:06 also ssssh about the bad puns. i dont want oerjan to have to get out the frying pan 01:45:44 "Skipping 0 bytes of junk at 0." 01:47:08 Anyone have any favorite non-esoteric (but probably still pretty much esoteric by modern standards) macro languages? 01:47:43 I think we had a m4 fan here? 01:47:55 m4 fans don't exist 01:47:57 I'm currently tinkering with TRAC, SAM76, TINT (which is a sort of TRAC clone/expansion), ML/I, and SNOBOL4 (not a macro language, I know). 01:49:08 Really TRAC, SAM76, Tint, and TTM are all kinda similar, especially the first three. 01:49:31 * oerjan injects quintopia with an experimental treatment for borreliosis 01:49:32 (SAM76 and Tint are intentionally derived from TRAC. TTM looks like it is, though the papers never mention it at all.) 01:50:15 side effects include extra appendices and rarely exploding 01:52:11 whoa whoa whoa 01:52:13 hi dnm 01:52:39 where would those extra appendices appear? 01:53:04 shachaf: Hey! 01:53:05 that's pretty varied. back of the head is common. 01:53:24 shachaf: LTNIRC 01:53:47 shachaf: How are you? 01:56:00 Oh, y'know. 01:56:41 Jamming it up. 01:57:20 Are you still in WA? 01:58:18 shachaf: yep! 02:02:41 I'm falling asleep again. 02:02:46 Bad schedule lately. 02:05:23 Our TTS reads "WA" in Finnish text by using the generic word pronunciation generator. I don't think that's right, but I'm not sure what *would* be. 02:06:08 Oh, something I learned only very recently. 02:07:01 If you ask Translate to read something out loud with the speaker icon, it reads first with the normal speed, but if you click on the speaker icon a second time, it does a really slowed-down thing. 02:08:02 I assume the idea is, if you (or whoever you're playing the result out) didn't catch it the first time, maybe trying to speak... very... slowly... will help. 02:09:41 i've noticed that, it seems to toggle on each click 02:09:47 Yes. 02:10:00 Although it resets to normal speed if you change the text. 02:15:07 -!- boily has joined. 02:17:37 -!- augur has joined. 02:18:28 vhoily. 02:18:57 vhellørjan. 02:19:10 vhellørjan... vhellørjan... it sounds quite nice on the tongue, eh? 02:19:17 vhellørjan 02:19:22 ♪♪♪ 02:19:57 vhell, maybe. 02:20:38 vhellochaf. 02:20:46 hmm... no. not as good. 02:27:20 virtual hell... 02:27:25 virtual hell of chat? 02:27:31 s/t\?/f?/ 02:28:01 vhzgrellop! 02:28:16 (no, I won't say it. I like my tongue unknotted tyvm hth) 02:29:19 It's a silent h, no? 02:29:41 maybe. i'm certainly not sure how to pronounce an h without a neighboring vowel. 02:30:22 or at least a stop. 02:32:18 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:37:44 -!- augur has joined. 02:42:31 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ADMINISTRATIVE CHICKEN). 03:01:11 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:05:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:05:41 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:08:02 -!- xkapastel has joined. 03:23:59 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:25:32 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:29:15 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:29:45 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 03:47:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:02:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:07:14 -!- augur has joined. 04:31:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:32:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:36:59 -!- adu has joined. 06:02:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:20:25 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 06:25:28 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:27:53 -!- Cale has joined. 06:28:01 ah, this is the missing channel :) 06:28:49 `? #esoteric 06:28:51 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 06:29:42 `? Cale 06:29:43 Cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:29:51 ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:29:58 `zalgo Cale 06:30:28 No output. 06:30:35 `` echo Cale | zalgo 06:30:38 Ĉ҉aͤ͗l͎̽ē͚ 06:30:53 I think that's the only Haskell program left in HackEgo. 06:31:13 `quines/haskell 06:31:14 main=putStrLn$(<*>)(++)show"main=putStrLn$(<*>)(++)show" 06:31:33 Does that count as a Haskell program? 06:31:59 Should I get GHC 8? 06:32:11 I don't even know what to think about type applications. 06:34:09 Can you do e.g. data T where { T :: forall a. T }? 06:34:21 Instead of resorting to Proxy. 06:35:43 Actually, can you do something like (\ @t -> ...)? 06:38:55 Apparently we're switching to GHC 8 for our backend. 06:39:21 (but I haven't yet tried it) 06:39:56 I hear it has a warning when you have redundant type class constraints, which will be really nice in some of the code I work on...) 06:43:38 Time to learn about scones. 06:43:45 Do you have any "scone tips"? 06:44:51 It seems like it sort of defines an equivalence relation with some more structure. 06:45:39 Well, maybe that's a red herring, and the real point of it is the way set elements are mapped. 06:47:41 http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?p=239055 06:48:27 you can burn out (literally) everyone's neural system with 53 points 06:49:47 scones are supersymmetric partners of cones, obviously. 06:50:29 oerjan: i think it stands for "Sierpinski cone" hth 06:51:24 ah, good old sierpiński 06:51:43 `? sierpinski 06:51:46 sierpinski? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:52:41 lifthrasiir: What's a point worth? 06:53:20 shachaf: paper about scones for you, hth http://cheng.staff.shef.ac.uk/misc/cheng-cream.pdf 06:53:50 The URL gives it away. 06:53:53 shachaf: what do you mean? (for the record: I'm really not a GURPS and in general TRPG player so I'm unsure of the specifics) 06:54:19 lifthrasiir: I understand what "burn out everyone's neural system" might mean. But I have no sense for what 53 points is. 06:54:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:54:29 I have a theory as to where the universe came from- basically, what caused the big bang, in a universe where nothing can't cause something 06:54:49 shachaf: ah, points used to make an ability for players 06:55:02 My theory goes that there's /another/ universe where the laws of physics allows things to happen without cause 06:55:05 seems that 100 points are required for "normal" characters 06:55:07 lifthrasiir: Is it a lot? Is it a little? 06:55:11 hppavilion[1]: whoa, man 06:55:17 so 53 points are not that much 06:55:18 hppavilion[1]'s big bong theory 06:55:22 And some of the things that can happen without cause are new universes being spawned 06:55:30 and still you are fucked up with that ability 06:55:32 :p 06:55:34 shachaf: I'm not on marijuana ATM 06:55:59 and that's why your makefile is broken 06:56:17 shachaf: I much prefer ecstasy 06:56:41 (it's very annoying that there's no 'x' in "ecstasy" 06:56:42 ) 07:01:31 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 07:02:33 contrapumpkin: what a contrarian 07:04:00 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:07:45 shachaf: be careful or he might challenge you to a dual. 07:18:41 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:31:43 -!- sebbu has joined. 07:54:02 -!- mroman has joined. 07:54:09 fitbit is getting sued for the heart rate sensor? 07:54:21 Why aren't they getting sued for the sleep stuff too 07:54:28 the sleep stuff is even more inaccurate . 07:54:33 @messages-luud 07:54:33 int-e said 5d 12h 28m 52s ago: the Burlesque shell is moving to http://64.137.252.151/~burlesque/burlesque.cgi ... and I may need help building the cgi (currently trying...) 07:54:33 int-e said 5d 12h 9m 50s ago: actually building the cgi seems to have worked fine (a cabal file would help though...) but you can't currently log in; please contact me about that... 07:54:48 oh :) 07:55:04 oerjan: based on irc activity i suspect that contrapumpkin is self-dual 07:57:56 @tell inte-e thx. I updated the link on my homepage. 07:57:56 Consider it noted. 07:57:59 crap 07:58:04 @tell int-e thx. I updated the link on my homepage. 07:58:04 Consider it noted. 07:58:37 that reminds me that the moonpage is still utterly incomplete :( 07:58:50 but it's just sooooo muuuch stuff that is still missing. 07:59:15 who the fuck decided to make something with 400 builtins that on average each have like 3 variations 07:59:22 must've been a total insane moron 07:59:40 String a, String b: Appends a to b then reverses. 07:59:47 like that was really needed 08:04:40 "Authors' Notes: Even though r_ can auto-map this built-in won't do the same expected job because pd will calculate the product of a Block. You may however use this fact as a shortcut for example for {0r_}m[pd. If you want to round every Double to the nearest Integer in a Block use )R_." 08:04:56 especially these comments about various usages and nice-to-know thing take a lot of work 08:05:03 s/thing/things 08:05:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Fnord). 08:05:35 oerjan: how come you didn't specify a quit message that time 08:05:45 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:10:49 oh int-e even pulled the latest changes 08:10:50 nice 08:46:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:10:27 From the Rust changelog: "The time complexity of comparing variables for equivalence during type unification is reduced from O(n!) to O(n). As a result, some programming patterns compile much, much more quickly." 09:30:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 09:35:41 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:39:06 O(n!) to O(n) is quite an optimization indeed 10:00:01 they just dropped the ! 10:01:31 They just worked quieter 10:01:39 Didn't shout 10:02:35 Haneb 10:02:48 any exams left? 10:02:55 O(n?) 10:03:12 can I use O(n?) if I'm not sure about how fast it is? 10:03:24 mroman: Presumably n? means zero or one ns. 10:03:25 that's the time complexity of regex matching 10:03:53 O(n{1-5}) 10:04:02 it's at least one n, but it might be up to five ns 10:04:06 it's {1,5} 10:04:09 damn 10:04:14 I'm not a regex guy 10:04:33 shachaf, I finished last week 10:04:46 then what's "either 1 times, 3 times, or 5 times"? 10:04:52 I thought that's a{1,3,5} 10:04:59 (n|nnn|nnnnn) 10:05:29 Ta(n) 10:05:34 arcTaneb 10:05:35 I like more powerful regex systems 10:06:07 I like regex systems with intersection and complement. 10:06:42 write a regex that matches factorials in unary 10:07:45 Regex is almost a fetish . 10:07:47 no such regex hth 10:08:17 shachaf: not the math kind of regex 10:08:34 Oh, the Perl kind where you can execute arbitrary Perl code? 10:08:58 no but you can use backrefs and (?! and (? the words i was looking for are negative lookahead and lookbehind 10:09:54 no that's cheating @arbitrary perl code 10:10:03 it's not 10:10:18 pcre has that 10:10:58 still doping. 10:11:29 length of backref etc. 10:11:32 and lookaheads 10:11:54 that's the non-cheating stuff 10:12:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:14:41 n(nn){0,2} 10:15:26 what does (? matches "test", if not preceded by something that matches ab{2,4}c{3,5}d 10:16:06 `wisdom 10:16:17 mroman: Nothing, because it's not legal. 10:16:17 `random-card 10:16:27 (? ah that 10:17:10 Pack's Disdain \ 1B \ Instant \ Choose a creature type. Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn for each permanent of the chosen type you control. \ MOR-C 10:17:10 infinitive//Infinitives are atomic verbs. They were first split in the 1940s, and the world hasn't looked back since. 10:17:21 Look-ahead assertions can be arbitrary, but look-behinds are fixed-width only. 10:17:37 isn't that more of a bug? <.< 10:18:39 can you capturae a lookbehind? 10:18:42 It's a feature of PCRE as well. 10:19:05 I don't think you can capture any of the assertions, since they're not part of the match, but not sure. 10:19:06 there's nothing to capture in a /negative/ lookbehind 10:19:08 Certainly not a negative one. 10:19:29 if you want a "positive" lookbehind just use (a)b 10:19:42 Then it'd be part of the matched string, though. 10:20:10 (a)\Kb might work. 10:20:16 ah yes, a stronger black version of Coordinated Barrage, which goes for any creature, not just an attacking one. 10:20:44 `random-card 10:20:46 Jawbone Skulkin \ 1 \ Artifact Creature -- Scarecrow \ 1/1 \ {2}: Target red creature gains haste until end of turn. \ EVE-C 10:21:04 (\K can sort-of do arbitrary positive lookbehind, because it's just adjusting the starting position of the match.) 10:22:28 `` perl -e '"foobar" =~ /(?<=(f..))bar/; print "$1";' 10:22:29 foo 10:22:35 Guess you can capture in a positive one. 10:23:23 `` perl -e '"foobar" =~ /(f..)bar/; print "$1";' 10:23:28 foo 10:23:53 `` perl -e '"foobar" =~ /(f..)bar/; print "$1 $&";' 10:23:56 foo foobar 10:23:56 `` perl -e '"foobar" =~ /(f..)\Kbar/; print "$1 $&";' 10:23:57 foo bar 10:24:12 fine 10:24:32 Possibly much more relevant in a s///. 10:25:11 The perldoc gives s/(foo)bar/$1/g as an example that can be rewritten as "the much more efficient" s/foo\Kbar//g. 10:26:06 why is that more efficient? 10:26:18 "For various reasons", to quote the doc. 10:26:31 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:26:31 i can't think of any 10:26:34 "For various reasons "\K" may be significantly more efficient than the equivalent "(?<=...)" construct, --" 10:26:57 but you didn't use (?<= <.< 10:27:25 Oh. Well, that's true. 10:27:33 Maybe capturing is expensive. 10:28:03 They don't elaborate -- presumably it's obvious to people privy to the implementation internals. 10:28:35 "The use of "\K" inside of another look-around assertion is allowed, but the behaviour is currently not well defined." 10:28:36 i don't really know how perl is implemented but there's no performance difference with regexec 10:30:31 regexec doesn't really do substitution, so that'd depend on what you do after. 10:31:03 It'd be reasonable that s/(foo)bar/$1/g would end up involving copying the "foo" substring where s/foo\Kbar//g would not. 10:31:09 yeah but you just get a pointer to the beginning and end of the match 10:32:49 why is (?!a|bc) valid? 10:32:51 Sure, but you'd need to copy the captures out, then do a whole expand-$1 thing when reconstructing string. 10:32:52 err 10:33:00 (? what is it doing 10:33:16 I wish Perl or PCRE used intersection instead of lookaround. 10:33:38 I don't think it's valid per the documentation. It might do *something*. 10:33:40 oooh have you seen that video about regex derivatives? 10:34:23 a guy at google gave a talk about his regex engine 10:35:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOgDovsIsg 10:36:37 `` printf '%s\n' ax bcx x cx | grep -P '(? x \ cx 10:36:47 so this is a bug in pcre? 10:37:30 They don't really specify what happens if it isn't fixed-width. 10:37:41 `` printf '%s\n' ax bcx x cx | grep -P '(? grep: lookbehind assertion is not fixed length 10:37:48 that ^ 10:37:51 Oh, PCRE actually allows that. 10:37:58 "However, if there are several top-level alternatives, they do not all have to have the same fixed length." 10:38:01 It's a special case. 10:38:09 oh ok 10:38:20 cool 10:39:32 Guess it makes sense, since (? `` perl -e 'print join(" ", grep(/(? Variable length lookbehind not implemented in regex m/(? Not in Perl though. 11:03:14 [wiki] [[VL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47072 * 82.109.33.252 * (+2579) An esolang loosely based on vim commands. 11:04:13 mroman: hi! 11:04:34 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47073&oldid=47070 * 82.109.33.252 * (+9) /* V */ 11:05:33 mroman: basically I lost all data from the old VM so I built burlesque from the git repo. I also lost your public ssh key. 11:06:36 int-e: Certainly cloud-could-cost couldn't have let you down! 11:07:44 fizzie: No, of course not. I had a lot of interesting kernel messages... :P 11:08:56 oh the new one had a spontaneous reboot. NICE, keep up the good work. 11:14:44 and I had no important data on there; the burlesque shell was/is the most important service running there :P I just should've saved the ssh key and perhaps the cgi executable somewhere else 11:24:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 11:29:09 -!- Koen__ has joined. 11:31:48 -!- Koen_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:33:21 -!- bender has joined. 11:43:41 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:59:43 `? ^͙̬̬̦̯_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ 11:59:45 ​^͙̬̬̦̯_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:02:26 ``` cat wisdom/_* 12:02:28 _̰̆̓_̦̻̖͍̟̖́̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_̯͙̬̬̦̯͂͋͒ͧ͋̈̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ _̰̆̓_̦̻̖͍̟̖́̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_̯͙̬̬̦̯͂͋͒ͧ͋̈̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ 12:03:44 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Nosomebodies * New user account 12:03:49 `slashlearn laughed/They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian. They're not laughing now! 12:04:00 Learned «laughed» 12:04:22 b_jonas, that sounds quite half baked 12:10:16 [wiki] [[ANItka]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47074&oldid=47062 * 94.254.242.190 * (+1) 12:13:16 Taneb: that one is popularly attributed to an English comedian called Bob Monkhouse 12:13:25 Ah 12:13:30 I know it from Mezzacotta 12:14:20 Taneb: yes, it was quoted there, that's the apropos, but still 12:26:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:34:52 -!- Koen__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:35:15 int-e: everything turned out fine so :) 12:35:21 thanks for keeping the shell available 12:35:37 [wiki] [[User:Nosomebodies]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47075 * Nosomebodies * (+1270) Created page with "++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>>>--. >+++++++++++. -. <<+++++++++. >>++++++. <<-------. >>. ---------------. +++++++. . <<. >>+. --------. <<. >>++++++++++++++++++..." 12:35:38 even though it's probably extremely rarely used :D 12:38:19 `? slashdot 12:38:31 slashdot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:39:01 -!- Koen_ has joined. 12:42:23 -!- astslash has joined. 12:42:55 -!- astslash has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:56:23 mroman: well you can't update it atm... I'd like to give you access again 12:56:52 Do you need a public key? 12:57:18 or is password fine? 12:57:18 yeah 12:57:20 ok 12:57:21 public key 12:57:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:57:58 http://codepad.org/RYN4fEsm 12:58:00 ^- there you go 12:58:46 cheers, added. 13:00:17 works :) 13:00:36 great, that's all I wanted 13:00:51 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 13:01:55 you're welcomed to the 5 years burlesque party next year :D 13:02:47 hah 13:25:56 mroman: there's a party? great 13:41:57 -!- ybden has joined. 13:58:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:09:34 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:15:42 -!- Koen_ has joined. 14:27:15 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:47:33 -!- Koen_ has joined. 15:24:08 -!- spiette has joined. 15:27:35 -!- APic has changed nick to A. 15:27:40 -!- A has changed nick to APic. 15:28:54 I should try if I can make a redirect from eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi to the new location of the shell... 15:38:58 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:42:38 `? homogenous 15:42:39 `? homogeneous 15:43:08 homogeneous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:43:09 homogenous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:43:59 `? contiguous 15:44:01 contiguous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:44:02 `? continuous 15:44:03 continuous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:45:55 -!- dnm has quit. 15:48:13 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:59:42 -!- augur has joined. 16:02:26 -!- xkapastel has joined. 16:09:57 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 16:30:33 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:41:32 -!- ybden has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:41:53 -!- ybden has joined. 16:51:03 <\oren\> wawazzat? 16:52:38 <\oren\> i prefer 3% milk but mcdonalds only has 2%... argh 16:58:40 So 16:58:41 In C 16:58:57 I want to typedef an array of arrays of pointers to a struct 16:59:02 What on earth is the syntax for that 17:13:11 -!- gamemanj has joined. 17:22:28 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:28:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:28:21 Taneb: That's just typedef struct foo *bar[12][34]; 17:28:28 -!- testbot_ has joined. 17:28:41 -!- testbot_ has quit (Client Quit). 17:28:44 17:28 ,english typedef struct foo *bar[12][34]; 17:28:44 17:28 fizzie: Declare `bar` as another name for an array of 12 elements of an array of 34 elements of pointer to a `foo` structure. 17:29:28 david_werecat.jackal: points 11.81, score 33.25, rank 6/47 17:32:40 fizzie, I think I had something else wrong 17:37:13 -!- atrapado has joined. 17:38:15 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:49:20 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 18:04:55 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:05:56 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:12:07 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:13:58 -!- augur has joined. 18:21:27 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:50:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:51:22 -!- augur has joined. 18:53:39 <\oren\> struct foo; 18:53:56 david_werecat.jackal: points 12.19, score 33.78, rank 4/47 (+2) 18:55:06 <\oren\> typedef struct foo *bar[34][12]; 18:56:59 david_werecat.jackal: points 12.38, score 34.05, rank 4/47 (--) 18:57:08 <\oren\> aaa why would anyone want copying text out of a terminal to keep the formatting?!?!? 18:58:47 Sometimes you might want; possibly other key can indicate to copy ANSI codes for the formatting or not. 18:59:53 \oren\: http://slbkbs.org/structish.txt hth 19:10:13 <\oren\> it doesnt just keep text colors it also keeps the white on black and the font you set 19:11:20 <\oren\> lucky i found the setting to turn that off 19:17:14 -!- inap has joined. 19:24:54 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:26:43 I have received a lot of request in a short time period for the root of my HTTP server, all from curl and from varying IP addresses in the range 24.48.178.* 24.48.179.* 24.48.180.* 24.48.181.* do you know what this is? 19:30:37 -!- impomatic_ has joined. 19:34:32 Can I make directory listings on my server to appear different when accessed by wget? When wget accesses a directory listing I want to remove the icons, the parent directory link, and the links for sorting. 19:36:22 zzo38: Yes, you can do it. 19:38:03 What is commands to program in such thing in Apache? 19:39:13 > (sqrt 3) == 2 * (exp 1) / pi 19:39:15 False 19:39:32 > ((sqrt 3),2 * (exp 1) / pi) 19:39:33 (1.7320508075688772,1.7305119588645301) 19:39:48 I blame floating point inaccuracy 19:39:53 zzo38: Oh, I figured your web server would be written in Visual Basic for Applications, or modified Z-code, or something. 19:40:06 Oh wait, they diverge way too early for that 19:40:10 Nvm 19:40:13 I don't know how to make Apache do it. Maybe you have to modify the code. 19:40:31 But you can always write your own program to do directory listing, instead of using the Apache built-in program. 19:44:37 > (cos (pi/7)) + (cos (3*pi/7)) + cos (5*pi/7) 19:44:39 0.5000000000000001 19:44:59 This one should be exactly 0.5 19:47:32 I found a bug in SHEGOC when the label of a menu item started with a digit, but I fixed it. 19:59:16 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:23:32 -!- Koen_ has joined. 20:24:28 -!- Koen_ has quit (Client Quit). 20:29:26 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:54:26 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:59:03 <\oren\> my server has a program for the directory listing 20:59:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:02:02 that's been invented like 50 years ago 21:10:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:11:23 I have, for the first time in my life, written a makefile 21:15:10 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:18:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:19:16 -!- augur has joined. 21:23:50 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:30:25 Idea of Magic: the Gathering card like: {?} Creature - ? (0/1) ;; Banding, Rampage 1 ;; All creatures able to block ~ must do so. ;; If ~ attacks, no other bands can attack. 21:49:16 * gamemanj takes a random look at his chat window for the first time in a while 21:49:28 3 cheers for Taneb! 21:49:36 2+1 cheers for Taneb! 21:49:40 1+2 cheers for Taneb! 21:51:25 Do you like this kind of cards? 21:52:49 zzo38: I don't think I like banding. 21:52:53 Though I've never played with it. 21:56:05 Banding is pretty good. It is one of the creature keyword abilities I like best. 21:57:32 More tactics can be involved in combat when some cards can have banding then you can decide which bands and so on 21:58:03 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:59:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 22:02:15 New what-if, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet 22:02:22 I like this one, but it isn't very destructive 22:02:32 (Unless, of course, you manage to turn rainbows into lasers) 22:08:09 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:09:10 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:13:10 [wiki] [[VL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47076&oldid=47072 * 31.185.252.84 * (+0) /* Examples */ 22:18:37 non-high-definition VHDL? 22:22:30 -!- inap has left ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)"). 22:24:19 <\oren\> spacex is launching another F9 right now 22:45:11 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 23:33:27 \oren\: One moment, allow me to look up what the F9 key does for the following joke 23:34:56 \oren\: I guess they must do a lot of measurement? 23:36:35 -!- moon_ has joined. 23:36:41 Hello 23:36:54 `ls 23:37:20 `query hackego 23:37:39 ​!\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ logs \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 23:37:39 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: query: not found 23:38:27 hi hppavilion[1] 23:40:43 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:40:53 hia oerjan 23:41:32 helloon 23:41:53 * oerjan cackles adjectivally 23:43:20 `med 23:43:26 No output. 23:43:52 `? rødgrød med fløde 23:43:56 rødgrød med fløde? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:44:21 `learn med is a simple text editor for hackego 23:44:27 Learned 'med': med is a simple text editor for hackego 23:44:49 `learn med is a simple text editor for HackEgo. 23:44:54 Relearned 'med': med is a simple text editor for HackEgo. 23:45:14 * oerjan punctuates moon_ with the saucepan ===\__/ 23:46:25 * moon_ slimes oerjan with the snail cannon 0== 🐌 23:47:07 moon_: tabs don't transfer well in irc hth 23:47:15 (i see an inverted I) 23:47:16 i didnt use one 23:47:22 yes you did. 23:47:36 unless you actually used an I with inverted color codes. 23:47:40 freenode's builtin irc doesnt allow hackegos 23:47:46 what 23:47:48 lol 23:47:51 :P 23:47:51 *tabs 23:48:09 i was thinking and typing at the same time, it never ends well 23:48:26 * oerjan investigates. 23:48:39 the tunes logs have an actual tab character there. 23:48:55 unicode error or me making a cpy-paste wrror 23:49:03 8error 23:49:05 *error 23:49:13 i'm going to assume the latter. 23:49:17 oerjan: "investigate" sounds like some scandal in the stock market 23:49:25 i^ 23:49:45 moon_: perhaps the web irc doesn't allow you _typing_ a tab, but still lets you paste one. 23:49:51 yea, maybe 23:50:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices | Ingredients: Hydrogen, time, stevia | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 23:50:28 thinking and typing at the same time is actually known to have positive effects 23:50:46 shachaf: No, you're supposed to think, /then/ type. 23:50:51 ^ 23:51:02 i type my thoughts sometimes 23:51:06 hppavilion[1]: well spotted, you may become a punster yet. 23:51:06 shachaf: Thinking and typing at the same time doesn't allow you to revise your thoughts before typing 23:51:09 i was thinking about hackego then 23:51:45 which resulted in: freenode's builtin irc doesnt allow hackegos 23:51:50 shachaf: Also, stream-of-consciousness writing goes REALLY badly with certain psychological conditions 23:51:51 yes 23:51:53 everyone noticed 23:52:45 #esoteric: May contain crude drawings of nuts 23:52:57 (TREE nuts) 23:53:03 Yea, that goes nicely 23:53:13 replace the ingredients joke with it 23:53:17 moon_: i was assuming you pressed an actual tab, which got tab completed to HackEgo. wait, that doesn't even make sense without the capitalization. 23:53:25 moon_: It should probably go /with/ the ingredients joke 23:53:34 oh, your right 23:54:07 `? #esoteric 23:54:12 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. 23:54:20 Maybe we should just make the topic "The international hub of esoteric programming", followed by a link to the expanded topic, which would be many thousands of sections long, and would serve in and of itself as a corpus for fungot 23:54:20 hppavilion[1]: they say that a sink looks different from high above the water and make them visible. ( bulfinch's mythology, by david gerrold) 23:54:26 `learn_append #esoteric May contain crude drawings of nuts. 23:54:30 Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. May contain crude drawings of nuts. 23:54:55 oerjan: That works too 23:55:07 `unicode NUT 23:55:13 U+004E LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N \ UTF-8: 4e UTF-16BE: 004e Decimal: N \ N (n) \ Lowercase: U+006E \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0055 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U \ UTF-8: 55 UTF-16BE: 0055 Decimal: U \ U (u) \ Lowercase: U+0075 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0054 LATIN C 23:55:19 `learn_append #esoteric Contains only free ranging moons. 23:55:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Hydrogen, time, stevia | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 23:55:22 Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. May contain crude drawings of nuts. Contains only free ranging moons. 23:55:38 There. Now the topic is descriptive. 23:55:48 `unicode NUT AND BOLT 23:55:51 U+1F529 NUT AND BOLT \ UTF-8: f0 9f 94 a9 UTF-16BE: d83ddd29 Decimal: 🔩 \ 🔩 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 23:56:02 Hm, is this channel primarily prescriptivist or descriptivist? 23:56:06 wow, 🔩 narnia! 23:56:10 There's also a CHESTNUT and a DOUGHNUT. 23:56:23 both hppavilion[1] 23:56:25 both 23:56:31 moon_: "primarily" 23:56:39 both 23:56:44 its 50% 50% 23:56:49 hppavilion[1]: the expanded topic is just the entire tunes logs hth 23:56:50 I advise that the channel officially take on the prescriptivist ideology 23:56:58 oerjan: ...Huh. 23:57:10 s/prescriptivist/descriptivist/ 23:57:32 (Take note: An actual example of irony, once the s/// is applied) 23:57:53 you mean `sed 's/prescriptivist/descriptivist_' 23:58:22 hppavilion[1]: i'd describe this channel as prescriptivist, but i'd certainly not make it a rule hth 23:58:24 moon_: No, I just mean s///. s/// is used in conversation on IRC as well as being part of HackEgo 23:58:50 * moon_ slimes hppavilion[1] over proper syntax 0== 🐌 🐌 🐌 23:58:54 s/x/y/ means "correct whichever message this makes most sense on" 23:59:02 ik 23:59:17 moon_: Strictly speaking, it's still correct syntax; it just isn't the HackEgo bottrig 23:59:35 🔩 looks like a bolded To 23:59:48 It's a bit iffy to complain about "correct syntax", what with that underline. 2016-05-28: 00:00:01 its used to end the s command 00:00:06 it can be other characters 00:00:22 moon_: hm i'm not sure about your addition to #esoteric. my original seemed funny just _because_ it was out of place, so adding more of the same kind diminishes it. 00:00:31 (to me) 00:00:36 I agree 00:00:37 () 00:00:39 Also, it's kind of vanity 00:01:08 00:01:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Antimatter | BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 00:03:00 * hppavilion[1] is done topicediting for the day 00:03:24 moon_: It can't be "other characters" when the previous two were slashes. 00:03:37 fizzie is correct. 00:03:43 `sed s/prescriptivist/descriptivist_ 00:03:45 sed: -e expression #1, char 31: unterminated `s' command 00:03:49 (P1) 00:04:00 (P2) fungot is just fizzie in a computer 00:04:00 hppavilion[1]: they say that a bag of, sack: summer passed all too quickly. on the road between hurworth and neasham, but of adjudicating in the kidnappings and raids the inhabitants of the babylonian god of boundaries, guardian of the skin first appears greenish, then the handles at each end, all delicately wrought in the sense that he is married to mehut, a cloven hoof, the samurai. it was the ruthless manner in which they ha 00:04:21 (C) fungot always tells the truth (P1&P2) 00:04:21 hppavilion[1]: does your boss know what you're doing right now. while he was nearly burnt out, and in later times for wicked goblin spirits, as near as might be, eighteen or twenty feet across, and write at cos. the chest was divided into three compartments. in " a wizard can do it, is partially absorbed by the hazards since he has sucker feet and is generally more picturesque than useful. 00:04:32 fungot: ...no xe does not 00:04:32 hppavilion[1]: meeting your own ghost! 00:04:37 hppavilion[1]: Well, you know what they say: a bag of, sack. 00:05:12 Wait 00:05:16 ^style 00:05:16 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 00:05:21 Weird 00:05:31 "sucker feet" made me think lovecraft 00:05:43 Wait... 00:05:48 How is fungot a fungot style? 00:06:02 fungot? 00:06:06 Um 00:06:16 There's a lot of stuff in the data.base. 00:06:19 Either I just crashed or fungot isn't answering 00:06:26 `? #esoteric 00:06:28 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. May contain crude drawings of nuts. Contains only free ranging moons. 00:06:33 Oh, well I got fizzie's message, so I'm still here 00:06:41 WOW that was fast for HackEgo 00:06:46 hppavilion[1]: There's a limit of four consecutive replies to the same person. 00:06:46 oerjan: Is HackEgo on a new server now? 00:06:54 fizzie: Ah, that's probably a good thing 00:07:01 "The Wumpus, by the way, is not bothered by the hazards since he has sucker feet and is too big for a bat to lift." 00:07:30 fizzie: ...please tell me you had to look that up. As in, you don't just have NetHack memorized 00:07:36 `` sed -i 's/part/part, but it keeps getting trampled by free ranging moons./;s/ Cont.*//' wisdom/'#esoteric' 00:07:39 No output. 00:07:44 `? #esoteric 00:07:46 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting trampled by free ranging moons.. May contain crude drawings of nuts. 00:07:51 oops 00:08:08 `` sed -i 's/\.\./\./' wisdom/'#esoteric' 00:08:11 No output. 00:08:15 `? #esoteric 00:08:17 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting trampled by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. 00:09:26 "sucker feet" made me think lovecraft <-- i'd expect nethack to steal from everywhere... 00:10:27 oerjan: Is HackEgo on a new server now? <-- don't ask me 00:10:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:11:16 lawn should be garden 00:11:22 you cant trample lawns 00:11:29 And no, it's not on a new server. 00:11:34 moon_: no, i can't tell people to get off my garden. 00:11:54 moon_: i'm pretty sure you can. 00:11:55 Usually it's a little bit faster when it's actively being used. 00:12:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:12:14 hm... 00:15:42 `med rr bin/med 1 3 00:15:44 No output. 00:15:54 `` med rr bin/med 1 3 00:15:57 ​#Rewritten by hand \ #info on lines 2 4 9 15 20 26.. continued on line 2 \ #32 38 00:16:10 `` sed -i 's/trampled/digged up/' wisdom/#esoteric 00:16:14 No output. 00:16:19 `? #esoteric 00:16:20 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting digged up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. 00:16:26 you mean dug up 00:17:01 darn 00:17:40 `learn_append #esoteric There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the southwestern part. 00:17:43 Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting digged up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the southweste 00:17:52 )= 00:18:03 but its true 00:18:39 i think we've exceeded the length limit. 00:18:49 `revert 00:19:03 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 00:19:08 `? #esoteric 00:19:15 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting digged up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. 00:19:30 `` sed -i 's/digged/dug/' wisdom/#esoteric 00:19:33 No output. 00:19:46 `learn_append #esoteric There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0 00:19:49 Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0 00:21:06 * oerjan gives up and sidles back to retiring. 00:21:18 moon_: also, get off my lawn! 00:22:24 nu *digs it up* 00:22:30 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 00:23:04 * oerjan waves his cane O====== 00:31:35 On my computer design I have written about "four level mode" which is the intention of working high resolution monochrome mode without having to change all of the clock rates 00:43:50 <\oren\> digged up means that it went uo the page on digg 00:44:15 <\oren\> by the way, is everyone aware that neopets still exists? 00:49:32 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 00:49:38 <\oren\> @tell hppavilion[1] I'm overprescriptive myself 00:49:38 Consider it noted. 00:50:02 I did not expect that it was gone 00:50:19 Therefore, the default position I believe was still exists 00:50:49 -!- hwpplayer1 has left. 00:51:24 \oren\: digg still exists? 00:51:31 -!- t0dd has joined. 00:51:42 Hello :D 00:51:58 `relcome t0dd 00:52:04 -!- t0dd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:52:06 ​t0dd: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 00:52:14 :( 00:52:53 HackEgo: you were fast, but not fast enough 01:01:30 -!- Kaynato has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:02:21 -!- Kaynato has joined. 01:05:19 Is there anything you think you need Internet Quiz Engine to do that it does not currently have? I already have conditional questions, multiple-answers questions, arithmetic operations, multiple variables, and others. 01:06:06 I think it should support free-form answers. 01:07:49 Yes, I did think of that too, although am unsure of how to implement it properly. I did think of a few ideas though. 01:07:59 ``digg 01:08:01 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `digg: not found 01:08:05 `` digg 01:08:06 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: digg: command not found 01:08:33 Clearly there need to be some way to be able to parse free-form answers. 01:11:36 zzo38: Maybe use Amazon Mechanical Turk. 01:13:04 No, it should do by itself. 01:14:02 For example, what kind of calculations does it need to be able to do with the free-form answers? 01:14:56 Number of words, number of letters. 01:16:34 Comparing text with constants also seem one thing that should be done 01:17:38 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:20:44 -!- augur has joined. 01:25:45 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:28:36 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: SIGTUNA). 01:48:38 -!- bender has joined. 02:01:35 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:14:04 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:15:33 -!- erdic has joined. 03:15:48 -!- augur has joined. 03:50:26 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:25:09 -!- proderpH has joined. 04:31:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:34:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:43:59 -!- proderpH has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:45:42 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:07:24 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:08:18 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 05:14:41 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 05:15:15 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 05:20:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:25:41 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:54:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:55:04 Can you show example of how a quiz that is using free-form answers might do? 05:55:38 A question might be "Can you show example of how a quiz that is using free-form answers might do?" 05:56:40 It is unclear how the computer is supposed to score such a question though. 05:57:56 Hm... 05:58:35 Is there any equivalent to the DSM-n that documents "psychological disorders" picked up by AIs? 05:58:44 @massages-lud 05:58:44 \oren\ said 5h 9m 5s ago: I'm overprescriptive myself 06:00:31 What would you think of the following: {?} Creature - ? (1/1) ;; Last strike, Lifelink ;; ~ gets +1/+1 for each point of damage marked on it up to eleven. 06:02:27 zzo38: What would happen when that creature combated a 3/3? 06:03:40 Now it has three points of damage marked on it but 4 toughness, and also 4 power so during the last strike step it does enough damage to destroy the 3/3 creature and you gain 4 life. 06:04:09 If the 3/3 creature it is blocking or blocked by has infect or wither then this does not happen, since it won't mark any damage on it. 06:04:25 I like it. 06:07:05 If the 3/3 creature also has last strike, then this creature is destroyed and you gain 1 life, and the 3/3 creature now has one point of damage marked on it and is not destroyed. 06:08:46 Why is this creature destroyed if the 3/3 has last strike, and not if it has normal strike? 06:09:12 O no wait it is not destroyed; I made a mistake. 06:09:35 However then the 3/3 creature is not destroyed either, and you still gain only 1 life. 06:10:01 It does survive and is now 4/4. 06:10:22 Maybe it should have normal strike instead of last strike. 06:11:13 There is no "normal strike" ability; if it doesn't have first strike or double strike or last strike then it assigns damage during the normal strike step. 06:11:42 Without last strike it is a bit less powerful in most cases I think. 06:13:10 That's what I meant by normal strike. 06:13:24 It's less powerful, but it's still good vs. first-strike creatures. 06:14:10 Yes, I know, it is that; I did think of that, but decided to give it last strike. 06:15:23 But last strike isn't in the rules. 06:15:39 I know; I made up that rule! 06:15:54 (And did write how it interacts with first strike and double strike on the same permanent.) 06:16:53 Another idea is a card that says: State-based actions cannot destroy creatures during combat damage steps unless a card is on the stack. 06:35:28 -!- xfix has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:37:44 -!- xfix has joined. 06:51:24 Hm... 06:51:42 I wonder if I could bloat the GoL into something terrible and sell it on steam xD 06:51:58 I doubt steam supports 0-player games though :/ 06:56:25 -!- jaboja has joined. 07:04:04 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:15:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:17:02 -!- jaboja has joined. 07:22:14 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:26:50 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:27:40 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:31:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:35:08 Should the blitter include the ability to load a translation table and to use it? I am not sure if it is worth to include such thing, at all. 07:39:53 -!- Cale has joined. 07:40:57 -!- Cale has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:41:08 -!- Cale has joined. 07:52:05 zzo38: Is that a triggered or activated ability? 08:05:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:06:55 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:29:05 -!- Qund has joined. 08:31:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:37:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:41:03 -!- Qund has left. 09:23:22 -!- augur has joined. 09:28:14 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 10:11:06 zzo38: yeah, the timing of that card doesn't work... 10:12:23 oh, no, wait, I misread 10:12:47 "gets +1/+1 for each point of damage" is a state-based thing, not a triggered ability. ok. that's extremely peculiar. 10:15:03 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:31:11 -!- heroux has joined. 11:43:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:44:38 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 11:48:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:52:55 I just asked someone online who wasn't making much sense if they're fungot. 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Itzrensu' 17:42:44 tswett: Please translate? 17:43:49 It doesn't mean anything. 17:44:13 ...it has ". ", it has a sentence structure, there's a particular use of capital letters. Are you sure? 17:45:59 Though I do admit a toes6thtubrrtesspoothived is a bit of a long word. 17:48:48 And it has a numeral in it, which real words generally don't. 17:49:18 Here, let's have a better one. 17:49:19 b'To pooitas apitaie aul Weakiome aioui goatiagionauateon. Chiter tinmeoucioveany oi meo, orined Mouna' 18:01:01 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:02:01 b'Thated top el to te a cter of Wis to tonts Aexper. It ted (oved itto te than nxlo tovt cter Norton J' 18:04:36 .... 18:04:39 Ooh, it's starting to get some really good words in there. 18:04:40 b'Tex in icwuites the toll, ovel whevexpected to the kingdom s Ituresp. the Kizyingerne, haves Mit te ' 18:07:37 b'The Therexpectuitee Fist.avhas oo decfuiteoacteretooee tollboothetteralomeations an Wistomes full of' 18:07:47 I wonder what tollboothetteralomeations are. 18:07:49 ... 18:07:57 what exactly is that? 18:08:35 Output from a neural net trained to output character strings. 18:08:39 b"The to the book the to the book is a lo e chev noppeon the 'ook was boothoed iat, Tany eventorestes " 18:08:52 The training data is the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article about the book "The Phantom Tollbooth". 18:10:28 Ooh, I think this is the first time it successfully reproduced the first couple of words: 18:10:29 b'The Phantom Tollbooth one afternoon and, hovhan attoec Mted) of Oeastrens Thed Moto ctor now pons Al' 18:10:32 once upon a time someone was going down a road, which had no tollbooth... then a tollbooth appeared and charged them money 18:10:39 I'm sure that's really scary 18:13:40 tswett: that's not a lot of training data 18:13:52 Indeed, that's an extremely small amount of training data. 18:14:08 Though, the first training data I ever successfully used was: 18:14:09 Hi! 18:14:26 b'The Phere is ted into many The Kell tr the konderful Wirl, it tells The Woo sel, it ral to the kio s' 18:14:35 It's like... it's like it's trying to say something. 18:15:36 b"Thetoovres stortofo to Concl to m. Itur's into Thar,s rovhoust to thansports him toy Poop and has so" 18:15:43 It's not very nice to thansport someone toy Poop. 18:16:07 b'The Will and gas wold onte the o dd Fdlatin ixs and gextextextextextextexpected inte aptor nov itve' 18:16:36 That's not the word I extextextextextextexpected it to use. 18:19:31 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:20:40 Ooh, it managed to reproduce a pretty long section verbatim. 18:20:41 b'The Phe text is full of puns and wordplay; many events, such as when Milo unintenn wrer whine aftern' 18:21:15 Most of that is a verbatim quote: "[T]he text is full of puns and wordplay; many events, such as when Milo uninten[tionally ...]" 18:22:43 Here it almost reproduced the first 100 bytes of the whole thing: 18:22:44 b"The Phantom Tollbooth is a 1961 children's adventure novel by American writer Norton Juster Nills an" 18:23:10 Correct quote: "The Phantom Tollbooth is a 1961 children's adventure novel by American writer Norton Juster [with illustrations ...]" 18:25:43 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:38:51 [wiki] [[Evil]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47078&oldid=46809 * 90.255.15.157 * (+1) Fixed spelling mistake - 'wave function' -> 'weave function' 18:55:34 If your goal is to learn English in general, I fear you might be overfitting a bit. 18:56:12 http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ did a bit of Wikipedia markup. 18:56:53 Oh, and some LaTeX. 19:13:38 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 19:13:45 ... 19:13:56 and quite a bit more... 19:17:42 -!- xkapastel has joined. 19:26:22 fizzie: but if my goal is to learn this exact paragraph, I'm not overfitting at all! 19:28:53 I think it's fair to say that the neural net has successfully memorized the entire paragraph. 19:29:03 Which is slightly impressive. 19:30:11 -!- Opodeldoc has joined. 19:31:03 Lemme see. The paragraph is 1114 bytes, 51 distinct. This means that, naively encoded, the number of bits of information there is... 19:31:09 > 1114 * log 51 / log 2 19:31:11 6319.081830956246 19:31:14 That many. 19:33:38 And how many parameters are there in your model? 19:34:17 The neural net has an input layer with effectively 51 neurons (no parameters); a hidden layer with 50 neurons (effectively (51+1)*50 parameters); another hidden layer with 50 neurons ((50+1)*50 parameters); and finally an output layer with effectively 51 neurons (effectively (50+1)*51 parameters). 19:34:30 Actually, I'm not sure if the output layer has biases. 19:34:42 It does. 19:34:48 So the number of effective parameters is... 19:35:01 > (51+1)*50 + (50+1)*50 + (50+1)*51 19:35:05 7751 19:35:08 That many. 19:35:09 Is there a word other than "neuron" to describe the sizes of the vectors? 19:35:27 Dimension? 19:35:30 n-dimensional hidden layer? 19:35:35 Sounds good. 19:36:11 and now for your complex term of the day: n-dimensional mathematical numpy-supported matrices supported on a large hardware platform. 19:36:12 Well, I'm not a fan of the word "hidden" either, but at least it's not forcing a biological analogy. 19:37:06 It is, in fact, accurate to say that these are "n-dimensional mathematical numpy-supported matrices". 19:37:27 And they are, in a sense, "supported on a large hardware platform", because this is running on my laptop, and my laptop is physically large. 19:38:20 I asked the other day: How much justification is there to Tensorflow et al.'s use of the word "tensor"? 19:38:46 Are these things tensors in the usual sense, with covariance/contravariance, multilinear maps, etc.? 19:40:00 shachaf: RNN elements are conventionally called "cells". 19:41:07 shachaf: they can be used that way. 19:41:21 [wiki] [[Emmental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47079&oldid=35639 * 96.48.108.186 * (+231) /* Hello, World! */ Added easier to understand example 19:41:30 A "tensor" in Tensorflow is the tensor product of some copies of R^n, for varying n. 19:42:04 tswett: I like to be correct while also being stupidly verbose 19:42:16 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47080&oldid=47071 * Ais523 * (-13) Undo revision 47051 by [[Special:Contributions/Moon|Moon]] ([[User talk:Moon|talk]]); as mentioned in the intro, redlinks are removed from this list if they stay red too long 19:42:28 In other words, it's a multidimensional array. 19:42:43 I don't think a tensor is just a multidimensional array. 19:45:05 Also, if the "et al." is large enough, there's no need for justification. 19:48:49 If you don't want to use the word "neuron", it's possible to just say "the size of the layer is X". 19:48:57 I saw TensorBoard for the first time the other day. 19:49:06 V. fancy. 19:50:12 fizzie: I don't think it's too large. 19:51:22 And if all of these libraries used "vector" to mean "scalar", I would still want justification, because their usage is in the context of the rest of the world. 19:52:16 Yes, well, I was including rest of the world in the et al., possibly. 19:52:18 A tensor is certainly not just a multidimensional array. 19:57:07 > map (\n -> 2 * 10 ** (1/n)) [0..6] 19:57:09 [Infinity,20.0,6.324555320336759,4.308869380063768,3.5565588200778455,3.1697... 19:57:22 Doink. 19:57:26 > map (\n -> 2 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] 19:57:28 [2.0,2.935598535244139,4.308869380063768,6.324555320336759,9.283177667225557... 19:58:04 > map (\n -> round $ 100 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] 19:58:06 [100,147,215,316,464,681,1000] 19:59:25 > map (\n -> round $ 96 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] 19:59:27 [96,141,207,304,446,654,960] 19:59:45 > map (\n -> round $ 98 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] 19:59:47 [98,144,211,310,455,668,980] 20:02:29 > let blah = [10.0, 15, 20, 30, 50, 70, 100, 150, 200, 300, 500, 700, 1000] in zipWith (/) (tail blah) blah 20:02:31 [1.5,1.3333333333333333,1.5,1.6666666666666667,1.4,1.4285714285714286,1.5,1.... 20:02:56 > 10**(1/6) 20:02:58 1.4677992676220695 20:06:17 -!- puckipedia has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:07:02 -!- ybden_ has joined. 20:07:14 -!- ybden_ has quit (Client Quit). 20:11:36 -!- puckipedia has joined. 20:36:40 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Alas.). 20:36:40 -!- hydraz has quit (Quit: Bai.). 20:37:34 -!- shikhin has joined. 20:37:54 -!- hydraz has joined. 20:37:54 -!- hydraz has quit (Changing host). 20:37:54 -!- hydraz has joined. 20:41:57 I do not yet know what my new kind of computer design is called. 20:42:33 To know what it is called can help with discussion elsewhere, with naming programs that do emulation or hardware implementation of parts of it, etc. 20:42:48 do you think it already has a name and you don't know what it is? or is it something that doesn't have a naem yet and you haven't named it? 20:42:55 the kitten! 20:43:20 ...wrong channel 20:43:34 gamemanj: I didn't even realise that wasn't part of this conversation :-P 20:43:56 fungot: kitten kitten kitten? 20:43:56 int-e: they say that if you start at the man fled, clutching his bulging guts, finally to fall from his throat; the drunk vomited lumps of human flesh. ( the fellowship of the english puritans regarded all fairies as devils. the couatl are very sharp; watch you don't usually mind if you need a mirror to notice a mimic in an ideal existence, drinking and eating without restraint and fighting over again the battles in which he ca 20:44:04 ^style 20:44:04 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 20:44:23 well, eww. 20:44:24 ais523: I think that it does not yet have a proper name. 20:44:39 That is why I obviously do not know what the name is! 20:44:44 Because there isn't one! 20:45:17 the kitten 20:45:20 ...wait, wrong channel again 20:49:06 the free kitten refuses to be bound to any particular channel 20:49:25 yes, let's worship the great kitten 20:56:45 I had some ideas about the main processor's microcode which are a bit similar to some of the features of VAX microcode, such as huge VLIW, every instruction contains a jump (actually two in the design I have thought of), and XFC. 21:00:12 The microcode would include ROM and RAM areas, and you can define your own instructions in the RAM area. 21:04:33 It is a kind of horizontal microcode format, and some of the pieces of a microcode instruction might be: register numbers for the Muxcomp inputs/outputs, ALU code, external memory I/O code, condition code, jump if true, jump if false. 21:05:59 If it is muxcomp32 then seven register must be specify for muxcomp, and some registers might be immediate values, constants, and external memory access. 21:10:46 -!- Moon_ has joined. 21:10:50 Hello 21:15:22 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:17:42 -!- Moon_ has joined. 21:17:53 > [1..10] 21:17:55 [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10] 21:18:23 > zip [1,4..] [1,6..] 21:18:25 [(1,1),(4,6),(7,11),(10,16),(13,21),(16,26),(19,31),(22,36),(25,41),(28,46),... 21:19:16 `echo > zip [1,4..] [1,6..] 21:19:24 `echo '> zip [1,4..] [1,6..]' 21:19:54 ​'> zip [1,4..] [1,6..]' 21:19:54 ​> zip [1,4..] [1,6..] 21:20:11 daww )= 21:21:08 > zip "Im being ziped!" "!depiz gnieb mI" 21:21:10 [('I','!'),('m','d'),(' ','e'),('b','p'),('e','i'),('i','z'),('n',' '),('g',... 21:22:24 please use /msg unless you're showing something to others 21:22:35 kk 21:30:26 -!- augur has joined. 21:30:31 Hello 21:33:06 -!- Kaynato has joined. 21:36:10 i wonder 21:36:12 `apt 21:36:15 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:36:17 `aptitude 21:36:26 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: apt: not found 21:36:57 ​[1;24r[0;10m[4l[?7h[39;49m[?1000h[?25l[?1c[39;49m[0;10m[H[J[24d[0;10;1m[37m[41m[J[H[37m[44m Actions Undo Package Resolver Search Options Views Help[K 21:37:22 stop it 21:37:26 sry 21:39:15 i wonder, some linux distros have the 'lolcat' command, does hackego have it? 21:39:19 `ddate 21:39:21 Today is Pungenday, the 2nd day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182 21:39:22 lets try that first 21:39:39 `ddate | lolcat 21:39:40 usage: ddate [+format] [day month year] 21:39:49 `` ddate | lolcat 21:39:50 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: lolcat: command not found 21:39:54 daww 21:40:09 what is lolcat? 21:40:13 what is ddate? 21:40:19 discordian date 21:40:23 wait a second... *opens up Twister* 21:40:28 you should learn about it 21:40:33 discordianism,is great 21:40:39 opening network panel... 21:40:53 attempting to identify @tasty... 21:41:33 lolcat rainbow colors its input, myname 21:41:56 ah well, time to make a irc version *jokes* 21:42:00 `` ddate | rainbow 21:42:03 ​Today is Pungenday, the 2nd day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182 21:42:09 like that? 21:42:14 ah,, yeas 21:42:16 *yes 21:42:20 Well, it's a bit fancier. 21:42:29 yea, lolcat is much fancier 21:42:33 `relcome Moon_ 21:42:36 ​Moon_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 21:42:47 im already a known member -.- 21:42:49 Uses the 256-color control codes and all that. 21:43:13 why do you do that stuff, then? 21:43:30 because im bored :P 21:43:39 but i am a known member 21:43:50 go watch some youtube 21:44:09 dont feel like it 21:44:29 I don't think "member" is the right word for anyone here. 21:44:51 loltrue 21:44:54 fellow nerd 21:45:47 I have written a Discordian calendar program on ifMUD too 21:46:00 good! 21:49:54 Whether ddate should or shouldn't be part of util-linux on Debian was a long, long debate. From what I recall, it got removed at least once, and maybe reinstated or split to a separate package. 21:49:57 I think there is actually two versions of Discordian calendar, which are the common version (which is synchronized with the Gregorian calendar), and the uncommon version (which is synchronized with the Julian calendar); however there is currently no difference between them, I think they would start to differ in 2100 maybe. 21:53:55 Is that just because Principia Discordia says "every four years"? 21:54:38 yeah 21:56:08 but seeing as it is otherwise synchronised one-to-one with the gregorian calendar, discordian-with-gregorian-leps 21:56:11 *leaps 22:01:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:03:23 I think ddate probably should not be the part of the core package but probably should be another package. 22:04:49 -!- sebbu has joined. 22:06:45 "core package" of what? 22:06:46 zzo38: it isn't part of the Ubuntu package it used to be in (which contained fsck and similar programs, IIRC) any more 22:07:03 gamemanj: it was in a package of important Linux utilities, many of which most systems will use 22:07:08 I think fsck was the most famous 22:07:10 [gamemanj@Iwakura ~]$ ddate 22:07:10 bash: ddate: command not found 22:07:13 not sure, there might be an even more famous one 22:09:07 it apparently used to be in util-linux, 22:09:11 but isn't built anymore by default. 22:13:44 -!- Koen_ has joined. 22:17:08 -!- Koen_ has quit (Client Quit). 22:21:10 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 22:21:11 That's what I was referring to. 22:23:25 1998: Bug#30015: util-linux: please include ddate 22:23:36 2010: Bug#583503: ddate: this useless joke program has no place in a base debian install. 22:23:50 2012: Bug#583503: ddate, upstream, and debian. 22:23:56 2014: Bug#583503: ddate no longer shipped in upstream release v2.24.2. 22:24:14 a quick look at wikipedia reveals something interesting... 22:24:54 Those weren't even all the titles. 22:25:00 ddate: removed from default build by the same people who brought you: "tunelp: parallel port printers are probably almost extinct devices" 22:26:08 I have a vague recollection they must've flip-flopped on its inclusion at least once, before it ended up in a separate 'ddate' package. 22:27:16 I'm a tad worried that a package for various utilities is being committed to by someone who intends to strip down the commands... isn't that the point of busybox? 22:28:07 Well, the reasonable argument was that it's not a package of "various utilities", it's a package of things you absolutely need to have available. 22:29:17 I think ddate should be a separate package, such as "comprehensive date/time package" which may include that and others 22:29:39 ...such as "wall" (good to have on mainframes maybe), "script" (eh could be useful) , "ul" (ok who needs this) 22:29:40 Alternatively, a package by itself, is another possibility 22:30:29 all 3 of those, wall, script and ul have man pages on my system, and ul especially seems particularly useless. If the "things that are required to be available" is the point, then it would be a lot smaller 22:30:48 ul is not in util-linux on my system. 22:30:49 -!- chron_ has joined. 22:31:02 Neither is 'wall' or 'script'. 22:31:02 script can be useful for documentation purposes 22:31:17 The program "wall" could be useful on multi-user systems, although for single-user system does not seem so useful. 22:31:26 script's part of the Debian upgrade process documentation. 22:31:41 (But still, someone might use wall for some purpose even in a single-user system) 22:31:41 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:32:07 Ok, fair enough, but tunelp presumably has a similar basis. 22:32:10 oh yeah, good old wall/write/talk/mesg 22:32:22 The point is: where to draw the line? 22:32:28 Yes, on multi-user systems, those programs can be useful. 22:32:32 gamemanj: Somewhere south of ddate, probably. 22:32:33 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:32:33 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:32:47 gamemanj: in the case of ul, right under the text... 22:32:51 Now I'm training my neural net on #esoteric logs again. 22:33:03 A separate package for programs that are useful for multi-user could be added if someone wants this, I suppose. 22:33:05 Well, I guess it doesn't make any sense to include ddate but not date. 22:33:26 Here's a quote from it: 22:33:27 hd cu#8rin84cde3!i aNenei r s 22:33:28 I think date is supposed to be core 22:33:33 I've never used ddate... I didn't even know that it exists. 22:33:45 I used to have a ddate login script, I think. 22:33:47 so... "objectively" the latter is not needed. 22:33:47 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:33:48 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:33:49 It's been a while, though. 22:34:16 it's hard to draw hard lines 22:34:32 int-e: Yes, I think Debian should switch to a probabilistic package manager. 22:34:35 To me, it seems that ddate is just another date format and makes more sense as a part of date. 22:34:46 but I think date and ddate are rahter obvious choices ;) 22:34:55 fizzie: ... 22:34:58 fizzie: you scare me 22:35:00 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:35:27 As for date, it's not even part of util-linux (it's part of coreutils), so ddate, being another date format, should be there. 22:35:36 (that is, in coreutils) 22:35:38 * int-e learned last week that there are several flavors of netcat. 22:35:45 I think it is rather a different calendar rather than just a different output format 22:35:54 Dates are dates. 22:36:24 so that's another dimensions: if there are several variants of a tool, which one will you include? 22:36:38 The netcat variants are a big annoyance. 22:36:44 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:36:48 hmm, dates... I should buy some dried dates... 22:36:51 Are you going to include Mayan calendar too, and also Muslim, and whatever others? 22:36:57 the bsd one, the gnu one, the others 22:36:58 At least there's only one socat. (Which hasn't been enough of a draw to learn the socat syntax.) 22:37:00 in that order 22:37:17 int-e: idk, I give up 22:37:51 gamemanj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_%28fruit%29 22:37:53 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:38:09 for a moment i thought socat is some useless thing to interact with stackoverflow 22:38:18 myname: hah 22:38:24 Dates are dates? That's not true at all. 22:38:29 * int-e should look into socat too 22:38:44 "Datetime" means something different in every programming language. 22:38:52 The thing that spews out those wiki updates is almost all socat. 22:39:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:39:21 Oh is "socat" a pun? ... meh. 22:39:35 ess-oh-cat... socket 22:40:14 "SOcket CAT", it just says. 22:40:41 Super Orange Cat 22:40:45 I saw a cat today. 22:42:17 fizzie: I guess my question is how one is supposed to pronounce it. 22:42:33 I don't rightly know, I think I've always just written it. 22:42:38 Bleh. rdiff-backup ran out of memory again. For some reason it just does that; then the system starts swapping and the backup takes two days or something ridiculous. 22:46:19 It's a relatively extensive set of files (3582083 used inodes on the filesystem, and it's a large chunck of that), but from what I gather, it's still supposed to only take a reasonable amount of memory, and seems to do just that for most people. Someone else was complaining of excessive memory use as well, but I don't think that thread ever resolved. 22:48:10 "If rdiff-backup seems to be leaking memory, it is probably because it is using an early version of librsync. librsync 0.9.5 leaks lots of memory. Later versions should not leak and are available from the librsync homepage." 22:48:44 But this is 0.9.7, and shouldn't have such problems, so who knows. 22:49:00 "The amount of memory rdiff-backup uses should not depend much on the size of directories being processed. Keeping track of hard links may use up memory, so if you have, say, hundreds of thousands of files hard linked together, rdiff-backup may need tens of MB." 22:49:24 plausible 22:49:39 Shouldn't be many of those, and it's at three hundred megs (out of ~400-ish or so). 22:50:03 0.:32:26: -!- iacht5 ion1nhndonul7gviin ao1ar ridl 22:50:23 tswett: bless you 22:50:32 Thank you. 22:51:00 Hmm. It's got a built-in _librsync.so. 22:51:09 (rdiff-backup itself is mostly Python.) 22:51:13 Maybe *that's* old. 22:53:20 I think that must be just some Python glue to call into the real one, because the package is listed as depending on librsync1. 22:53:52 ldd .../_librsync.so ? 22:54:47 Thanks. Yes. 22:55:34 So it shouldn't be due to that. 22:56:40 Don't suppose there's any way to ask a running Python process for a memory use summary or something. 22:57:51 Ooh, the neural net has learned a nick... kinda. 22:57:52 c2 cl:12:22: am1yms c a,gi t7on an2sn rucarc n niraao h gota> hom c l'itnannor3a 22:58:52 Manages to match the tone of the channel pretty well, too. 22:58:59 ...just... what?!?!? 22:59:20 I thought only I used C2/CL time! 23:02:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:10:25 http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/ looks like tomorrow's weather is very XMLy. 23:11:00 I don't see it. 23:11:31 http://sprunge.us/hiaT is how it appears to me. 23:11:52 You're looking at an RSS feed, somehow. 23:12:03 Well, that's what I get as the front page. 23:12:03 look at the first line: 2000 23:12:07 Even with curl. 23:12:36 fizzie: Which entry do you want to see? 23:12:41 http://sprunge.us/LfUa 23:12:56 I had my normal forecast link in the browser history, that worked just fine. 23:13:02 It's only the front page that appears strange. 23:13:18 so akamai messed up? 23:13:56 here, what do you call a program that unpacks itself into more programs 23:13:59 www.metoffice.gov.uk. 842 IN CNAME www.metoffice.gov.uk.edgesuite.net. 23:14:10 (and it looks fine from here) 23:14:19 20:44:18: -E- rodgort has qoin jokoet nesoq)af quine(k ne uorirdaie8:one natoEam9pat 23:14:21 akamai? akakai. 23:14:41 2.21.75.40, 2.21.75.10 what it eventually resolves as to me. 23:14:42 gamemanj: you do know what a CDN is, don't you? 23:14:50 How about curl -s -H 'Host: www.metoffice.gov.uk' http://2.21.75.40/ | head = 23:14:53 s/=/?/ 23:14:53 yes, I was just joking. 23:15:19 (www.metoffice.gov.uk.edgesuite.net is an alias for a376.r.akamai.net, a376.r.akamai.net has address 2.21.75.40 / 2.21.75.10) 23:15:24 fizzie: yeah that gives me the paste 23:15:33 a CDN is a bunch of servers people pay lots of money to use, which have a lot of bandwidth available. 23:15:37 including the initial 2000, which I still find rather odd 23:15:57 They are generally meant for delivering vast amounts of static resources. 23:16:08 int-e: There's a bunch of numbers later on as well. 23:16:11 gamemanj: unless you're somebody like Google or Amazon who's running their own CDN. 23:16:26 int-e: Right in the middle of the content. I suspect some sort of a length-delimited format. 23:17:10 Or possibly debugging output or something, who knows. 23:19:22 so http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/datapoint/support/notifications/rss is the original link for that... no numbers though 23:20:32 I now made the JavaScript implementation of Internet Quiz Engine so that if you write #BEGIN and #SHUFFLE around some lines then those lines will be shuffled in the output. An implementation that doesn't support this will treat these lines as comments and display the text without shuffling; the #< indicates extensions which are safe to ignore. 23:20:37 int-e: The next "\r\n2000\r\n" is exactly 0x2000 bytes after the first one. 23:22:33 Actually, isn't that just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunked_transfer_encoding 23:22:55 Except missing the \r\n after the initial chunk length indicator. 23:23:41 (No Transfer-Encoding header either.) 23:23:48 Yes, that's basically chunked transfer encoding getting botched. 23:24:07 -!- Frooxius has joined. 23:24:54 -!- chron_ has left ("Leaving"). 23:29:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:37:53 Found something called "gdb-heap" for unplanned memory debugging -- https://fedorahosted.org/gdb-heap/ -- but I'm worried the memory debugging tool will run out of memory. 23:39:01 (It prints "Blocks retrieved 150000" etc. after every 10k blocks, and swaps a whole lot.) 23:39:26 -!- hwpplayer1 has left. 23:42:04 Up to 380000. That's a lotta allocations. 23:42:40 why can't people just use static allocations... 23:44:14 gamemanj, because sometimes you don't know how much memory you'll need at compile time?? 23:44:37 Yeah, the gdb process is now using almost twice as much memory as the rdiff-backup. 23:44:52 It's also at 590000 blocks. 23:45:05 It's not unusual for static allocation to be insufficient. 23:45:27 That said, I also think a lot of people end up using dynamic allocation when static allocation would suffice. 23:45:34 Or overusing dynamic allocation. 23:51:19 oh wow, programs compiled with ghc-8.0.1 have a virtual memory size of 1 TB on startup (x86_64 linux)... even when most of that memory is unused, that seems overly generous. 23:51:51 All right, here's the first completely well-formed thing produced by my new neural net: 23:51:52 09:01:26: his fhrtunn pikGr 23:52:38 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.backup.rdiff-backup.general/7878 -- I assume I'm hitting the same thing, but nobody's answered. :/ 23:54:49 "FWIW, I used to use rdiff-backup but found it to be nonrobust on machines with limited (only a few GB) RAM and hundreds of GB of backup." 23:54:52 Should probably switch tools. 2016-05-29: 00:02:30 int-e: "overtly generous"... seems an understatement 00:03:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:07:44 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:12:32 I started writing a document in TeX to describe Z-machine specification; my document is in the public domain and aims to be complete. Currently only the contents of the header and extension table are described. 00:12:41 (Except that TWID is not yet described.) 00:12:56 04:50:17:44:54:58:49:04:09:04:55:34:47:52:25: | ofh mrsL /he hocercd Tped- #o-tc: h3s has joan Heey piteuuc'teasu(ttou 00:18:14 Can someone be Zen Pagan Atheist Taoist Discordian? 00:32:50 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:42:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:56:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:01:07 -!- oerjan has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Neutronium | Still BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 01:02:13 but no kitten 01:02:21 i considered it. 01:02:40 in fact, considering it was the immediate prerequisite. 01:03:00 *precursor 01:04:38 so it's about rejected kittens now 01:05:25 -!- oerjan has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Neutronium kittens | Still BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf. 01:05:30 FINE 01:09:24 * int-e purrs demonstratively 01:09:36 my work here is done, good night! 01:11:14 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:19:08 `? member 01:19:28 member? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:20:32 `le/rn member/I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway. 01:20:46 Learned «member» 01:37:29 `? pokemon 01:37:38 pokemon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:38:04 `learn A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. 01:38:10 Learned 'pokemon': A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. 01:39:32 38:57:32: -!- necn arcif) ssa wo orecabsot Hascotin) to has joined #esoteric 01:39:37 Man, this thing could be better. 01:40:17 tswett: you know that's the actual etymology, right? 01:40:31 oerjan: yes. 01:40:37 oerjan: what are you implying about the wisdom database hth 01:40:56 But "monster that you keep in your pocket" is a pretty bad description of Pokemon. 01:40:58 >_> <_< 01:41:10 shachaf: look, unicorns! 01:41:30 I guess you'd prefer wisdom to have itymologies rather than etymologies. 01:41:35 also that's a really bad spot to put a hth hth 01:42:07 shachaf: sorry, that was last generation, now we're upgrading to ichtymologies hth 01:42:16 oerjan: but that would've been a really good spot to put a tdnh tdnh 01:42:33 twhhh 01:43:01 do you mean twhhhh 01:43:07 or, rather, twhhhhh 01:43:23 that would have helped hungry hungry hippos 01:43:43 `? ichtymology 01:43:47 `cat bin/nooodl 01:43:49 -!- Opodeldoc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:43:52 Ichtymology is like itymology, but even more fishy. 01:43:52 cat: bin/nooodl: No such file or directory 01:43:57 `cat bin/noodl 01:43:58 cat: bin/noodl: No such file or directory 01:44:01 hmph 01:44:02 rnooodl hth 01:44:08 `? hmph 01:44:10 `cat bin/rnooodl 01:44:10 His Master's Phonetic Hmph 01:44:11 perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' 01:44:59 `? unicorns 01:45:01 unicorns? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:45:42 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 01:46:16 @wn ichtymology 01:46:18 No match for "ichtymology". 01:46:21 @wn ichthymology 01:46:22 No match for "ichthymology". 01:46:22 oops 01:46:26 @wn ichtyology 01:46:27 No match for "ichtyology". 01:46:29 `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/(.)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge' 01:46:30 @wn ichthyology 01:46:31 *** "ichthyology" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 01:46:31 ichthyology 01:46:31 n 1: the branch of zoology that studies fishes 01:46:33 bin/rnooodl 01:47:00 `` echo "yaaaaaaaaaaay" 01:47:01 `` echo hthhhh 01:47:06 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay 01:47:07 hthhhhhhhhh 01:47:26 shachaf: long time temptation hth 01:47:48 `` rgrep -lP '(.)\1\1' wisdom 01:47:50 wisdom/haskell \ wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/superexponential growth \ wisdom/nooooooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/\oren\ \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/sssssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwww \ wisdom/submarine \ wisdom/zkstr \ wis 01:47:55 `? haskell 01:47:57 Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' 01:48:08 oerjan: might be a good idea to rule out spaces hth 01:48:20 in fact maybe make it \w 01:48:43 `? hand injuries 01:48:45 Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://wwwww.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html 01:48:52 `? superexponential growth 01:48:55 Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!! 01:49:04 `? hthmonoid 01:49:05 hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids ... 01:49:15 * shachaf leaves for a bit 01:49:57 `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/(\w)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge' 01:50:01 bin/rnooodl 01:50:02 is that it? 01:50:30 `` rgrep -lP '(.)\1\1' wisdom 01:50:32 wisdom/haskell \ wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/superexponential growth \ wisdom/nooooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/\oren\ \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssssssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwwwww \ wisdom/submarine \ wisdom/zkstr \ w 01:52:21 . o O ( _maybe_ exclude w ) 01:53:31 `welcome 01:53:33 Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 01:53:34 oh wait 01:53:41 `` welcome 01:53:42 Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 01:53:49 ah no www 01:59:15 So here's another neural net message... 01:59:15 16:54:42: is on wheterr? shP or at corn bor bevluntere antynn has joined #edoteric. 02:02:24 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: *yawns*). 02:04:57 tswett: that's lousy, it doesn't even add an acronym tdnh 02:05:49 [wiki] [[Emmental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47081&oldid=47079 * 96.48.108.186 * (+88) /* Cat program */ 02:11:24 @tell int-e oh wow, programs compiled with ghc-8.0.1 have a virtual memory size of 1 TB on startup (x86_64 linux)... even when most of that memory is unused, that seems overly generous. <-- iirc the point is to _never_ allocate more than once so that there is no need to consider address fragmentation. 02:11:24 Consider it noted. 02:13:51 1 terabyte seems pretty small for that purpose. 02:14:02 Like, what if I want to memory-map both of my 3 terabyte hard drives? 02:14:45 um those would be separate. 02:15:08 i mean that the normal ghc heap is one, singly allocated address block. 02:16:35 Oh yeah... so this 1 TB thing is talknig about the heap only, not any memory-mapped stuff? 02:17:07 well i don't think ghc does any other automatically, but i guess any ffi may do that. 02:18:43 `` rgrep -lP '(\w)\1\1' wisdom 02:18:46 wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/noooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwwwww \ wisdom/zkstr \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/oren's font \ wisdom/ioccccccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychw 02:18:59 `? ioccc 02:19:00 ioccc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:19:03 `? ioccclist 02:19:05 iocccclist is update notification for when a new year of the International Obfuscated Contest is announced, or the winners for a year is announced, or the source codes of winners are released. http://wwwwww.iocccccc.org/#news 02:19:21 `` rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom 02:19:23 wisdom/noooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssssssssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccccccccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwlllllllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/noooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom_______ 02:19:54 oerjan: i'm tempted to make it work on _ but maybe there's enough phantom______confusion 02:20:00 `? ievan 02:20:01 ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI 02:20:08 `culprits wisdom/ievan 02:20:17 Bike FreeFull oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia 02:22:15 @tell int-e here's the relevant trac https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9706 02:22:15 Consider it noted. 02:22:20 07:45:28: mas. moweogtonpem sec. not nione has joined #ksot 02:25:20 ievan is that old? 02:26:19 `` hg log wisdom/ievan | grep summary: | tac 02:26:25 No output. 02:27:10 The first time I heard that polkka was in 2014, it looks like. 02:27:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:32:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:32:36 well i got it linked from here 02:33:47 (and i meant the wisdom, in case anyone is confused) 02:34:48 `? yeeesh 02:34:49 See yeesh. 02:34:52 `? yeesh 02:34:53 yeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:35:07 `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom 02:35:08 wisdom/nooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeesh \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/vim \ wisdom/shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj 02:35:24 `cat bin/rnooodl 02:35:25 perl -pe 's/(\w)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge' 02:35:40 -!- Kaynato has joined. 02:35:51 `? vim 02:35:52 vim equals to approximately ccxxxxxxviin. 02:35:57 `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/([^w\w])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge' 02:35:59 bin/rnooodl 02:36:12 `? phantom___hoover 02:36:14 Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself. 02:36:55 wait did you change to \W all of a sudden 02:37:15 `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/([^w\W])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge' 02:37:19 bin/rnooodl 02:37:22 \w means word characters, \W means the complement 02:37:22 * oerjan doesn't really know what he's doing 02:37:27 ah 02:37:28 and ^ means the complement 02:37:52 I sure wish regexps had intersections and complements. 02:38:12 `? noodles 02:38:14 Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. 02:38:24 `? noodles 02:38:26 Noooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. 02:38:38 `? code 02:38:41 ​[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,15555555554669736900946809800000000956080767,1372094670449491379188594026666666665466978579582015128512190078... 02:38:54 looks legit. 02:39:03 `? pumping lemma 02:39:04 pumping lemma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:40:05 `? ioccc 02:40:07 ioccc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:40:13 `? ioccclist 02:40:15 `le/rn pumping lemma/nooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times. 02:40:15 ioccccclist is update notification for when a new year of the International Obfuscated Contest is announced, or the winners for a year is announced, or the source codes of winners are released. http://www.ioccccc.org/#news 02:40:17 Learned «pumping lemma» 02:40:31 lynn: do you approve twh 02:40:33 MAYBE not so helpful in that case. 02:40:57 `culprits wisdom/ioccclist 02:41:04 b_jonas 02:41:06 `? CCCP 02:41:07 CCCP? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:41:12 `? СССР 02:41:12 ​СССР? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:41:14 Help 02:41:26 `? soviet russia 02:41:28 ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia? 02:41:35 `? soviet union 02:41:37 In ancient history, the Soviet Union used to be the THEM. They believed in absurd principles like "Better Red than Dead". Then Ronald Reagan invented Star Wars to destroy it, after which there seemed to be no the THEM for a while. 02:41:47 ☭ 02:41:53 `? ☭ 02:41:54 ​☭? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:42:03 I like how you can write that with C C C P 02:42:20 Although not with С С С Р 02:43:09 lynn: aren't you an expert in regular languages 02:43:23 lynn: and pooch-down automata and all sorts of things 02:44:49 . o O ( what style is pooch-down automata described in ) 02:47:10 . o O ( yay, a channel killing pun ) 02:49:22 `? punning lemma 02:49:23 punning lemma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:51:53 lynn: should i take that as approval hth 02:51:59 `? pumping lemma 02:52:02 nooooooooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times. 02:52:16 (I approve!) 02:53:15 https://bosker.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/i-hate-the-pumping-lemma/ claims that the pumping lemma for regular languages is scow 02:53:28 But what about the pumping lemma for context-free languages? 02:55:03 "PS. I don’t have anything against the pumping lemma for context-free languages." Good PS. 02:55:28 I saw the PS. 02:55:48 But if you dislike the pumping lemma for regular languages because it's confusing, you must dislike the one for context-free languages even more. 03:00:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:06:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:09:50 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:10:55 Maybe it's that there's no good alternative in the context-free case 03:11:30 Like, PLCFL is the right tool for the job, whereas PLRL is a sort of wonky over-complicated one that isn't even the best at what it does? 03:11:40 That's what I'm getting from this blog post 03:14:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:15:25 -!- Caesura has joined. 03:16:49 On my computer, "ddate" is not found in any package. 03:17:21 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:21:39 In Soviet Russia, CCCP compose YOU!!! 03:25:04 -!- xkapastel has joined. 03:44:03 -!- Nithogg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:45:04 -!- Nithogg_ has joined. 04:09:01 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 04:24:43 Can you recognize what typesetting system uses input like this? @Style[LeftMargin 10 chars, RightMargin 10 chars, Spacing 1 line, Justification no, TabWidth 8 chars] It also uses @. for a period that does not end a sentence, and it looks like the parameter of a command can use [] or () or "" 04:53:14 -!- Moon_ has joined. 04:53:17 Hi 04:53:33 H 04:56:09 04:56:21 zzo38: Is it a .mss file? 04:59:41 Can someone type the char used to give hackego commands? Apple devices lack it on the keyboard 04:59:56 ´? 05:00:03 Or ¸? 05:00:41 Moon_: No it is ` 05:00:46 shachaf: I don't know what extension it had originally. 05:01:11 Does it look like ? 05:01:41 Yes, it is like that one. 05:01:57 im using a tablet, so i dont have it 05:02:58 shachaf: Do you know what program would typeset such files? 05:04:19 Figured out what to do 05:04:29 `? 05:04:43 ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 05:14:12 The program in ifMUD for Discordian calendar is: @print("Today is ",@let(1,@add(@switch(@time("mon"),0,-1,1,30,2,58,3,89,4,119,5,150,6,180,7,211,8,242,9,272,10,303,11,333),@time("mday")),@switch(@print(@time("mon"),"/",@time("mday")),"1/29","St. Tib's Day", @print(@switch(@mod("%1",5),0,"Sweetmorn",1,"Boomtime",2,"Pungenday",3,"Prickle-Prickle",4,"Setting Orange"),", ",@switch(@idiv("%1",73),0,"Chaos",1,"Discord",2,"Confusion",3,"Bureaucracy",4 05:18:36 I wonder, would a bash script that generates a number sequence based on input be useful? 05:22:11 I don't know; many kind of programs probably can be written with shell-scripts. (I wrote a gopher client with shell-scripts, and there are also shell archives, and other stuff) 05:22:12 @oeis 1,2,5,7 05:22:18 Generalized pentagonal numbers: n*(3*n-1)/2, n=0, +- 1, +- 2, +- 3,....[0,1,... 05:22:40 @oeis 1,2,3,4 05:22:55 Plugin `oeis' failed with: <> 05:22:58 uh 05:23:05 WHATEV 05:24:10 <\oren\> @oeis 1,11,21,1211 05:24:12 Look and Say sequence: describe the previous term! (method A - initial term ... 05:24:59 Quote from the neural net: 05:24:59 21:16:54: is Corriuting praning that thomgar,! pomkifen pomrye that Cw2ope ywucs: 05:25:12 Is "mromangaboy" an actual attested nick, or did the neural net just make that up? 05:25:34 -!- Moon__ has joined. 05:25:41 Crashed 05:26:16 <\oren\> what did? 05:26:49 Lemme calculate the number of parameters this net has. 05:26:52 Moon__: don't irc and drive hth 05:27:03 7 hidden layers, size 50. 05:27:06 `mkx sequ//echo {"$1".."$2"} | sed "s/,//g" 05:27:11 sequ 05:27:12 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:27:14 tswett: mromangaboy is a pretty obvious portmanteau 05:27:24 My irc crashed oerjan, heh 05:27:45 Moon__: you forgot the bin/ 05:28:00 hm... 05:28:05 `` ./sequ 1 10 05:28:08 ​{1..10} 05:28:08 `which seq 05:28:10 ​/usr/bin/seq 05:28:14 Input layer is size 256 (no parameters). First hidden layer is size 50 ((256+1)*50 parameters). Remaining 6 hidden layers are also size 50 (6*(50+1)*50 parameters). Output layer is size 256 ((50+1)*256 parameters). 05:28:14 `seq 1 10 05:28:15 seq: invalid floating point argument: 1 10 \ Try `seq --help' for more information. 05:28:20 ... 05:28:26 `` seq 1 10 05:28:27 Seq is unrecommended 05:28:28 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10 05:28:35 > (256+1)*50 + 6*(50+1)*50 + (50+1)*256 05:28:37 These days at least 05:28:37 Moon__: huh? 05:28:39 41206 05:28:47 People dont use it anymore 05:29:01 `rm sequ 05:29:04 No output. 05:31:37 -!- Moon___ has joined. 05:31:48 What is it with safari and crashing when i type really fast 05:31:53 `` echo Moon___ 05:31:56 Moon____ 05:33:16 -!- Moon__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:35:42 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:36:25 <\oren\> Moon___: don' use safari 05:36:30 <\oren\> ever 05:36:55 <\oren\> it is a terrible browser 05:38:28 -!- Moon___ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:40:52 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:41:29 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:46:11 * oerjan finally catches up to april 1 in haskell 05:46:37 and promptly fell for snoyberg's Either post. 05:51:12 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:53:01 -!- Sgeo has joined. 06:22:30 Is there the document describing how the VAX microcode is working? 06:30:40 I found some documents 06:40:54 -!- adu has joined. 06:41:46 -!- adu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:45:29 -!- ThisIsTheory has joined. 06:45:51 -!- ThisIsTheory has left. 06:49:15 -!- Akaibu has joined. 06:50:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:51:09 oerjan: what post 06:53:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:08:53 myname: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2016/04/fixing-monad-either 07:11:25 love the date 07:22:52 -!- Moon_ has joined. 07:23:23 http://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_bash_online.php Is my new favorite utility 07:27:11 `cat bin/mk 07:27:20 ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" 07:33:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:36:20 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:41:07 i prefer my bash as an actual shell 07:49:30 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:49:30 * hppavilion[1] smashes a shell against myname's face 07:50:35 i said bash, not smash 08:07:36 I use fish 08:42:46 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:51:58 i use zsh with all the fish features and more 09:03:22 zzo38: It looks like a command called "scribe". 09:04:39 zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribe_(markup_language) 09:04:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:07:26 -!- pentalogist has joined. 09:09:46 -!- pentalogist has left. 09:34:57 -!- augur has joined. 09:39:30 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:54:53 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:56:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:48:50 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Quit: http://retroprogramming.com). 11:35:52 -!- augur has joined. 11:40:50 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:50:28 -!- bender__ has joined. 12:52:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 12:57:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:06:38 -!- ybden has joined. 13:07:39 -!- MoALTz has joined. 13:14:03 [wiki] [[Drainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47082&oldid=25380 * LegionMammal978 * (+26) /* External resources */ 13:22:26 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 13:25:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 13:36:46 -!- augur has joined. 13:37:31 -!- bender__ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 13:37:31 http://i.imgur.com/heEk8ez.jpg do you english speaking people know what this means without looking it up? 13:38:43 one unrecognized word "halcyon"... but it's probably something positive, so "halcyon days" would be something like "have good future days"/something like that 13:39:50 it's referring to past happy days 13:40:02 performing further inference... anime... iqdb searching... FAIL... Google Image Search... Bleach. 13:40:05 according to the interwebz 13:40:08 yeah 13:40:16 but that counts as looking it up 13:40:36 True, but you already told me what it was, so... 13:41:04 (Oh, and it's not actually telling me what the text says. *sigh*) 13:41:57 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:00:38 izabera, yes 14:00:51 do explain 14:02:04 you just said it refers to past happy days, that's what i would think it means 14:02:23 -!- bender has joined. 14:02:27 -!- bender has quit (Changing host). 14:02:28 -!- bender has joined. 14:03:33 oh also it's a class of cruiser in halo 14:03:43 so maybe that's what your note is referring to 14:03:47 -!- Phantom__Hoover has changed nick to Phantom_Hoover. 14:03:49 no -_- 14:03:50 `random-card 14:03:52 definitely not 14:04:01 also, hello, all 14:04:16 Sivitri Scarzam \ 5UB \ Legendary Creature -- Human \ 6/4 \ LE-U, CH-U, ME3-C 14:04:23 idk, it could be another ARG 14:06:15 hehe, even John Baez reports about the small Turing machines stuff in his blog: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/ 14:06:30 um, http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/may_2016.html 14:07:21 bt the way he reports it strenghtens my belief that I'm correct to put John Baez in the mental file of a physicist 14:09:43 -!- bender has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 14:10:01 -!- bender__ has joined. 14:10:34 -!- bender__ has quit (Client Quit). 14:18:14 https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428 14:22:04 <\oren\> has anyone constructed a turing machine with a reel-to-reel magnetic tape? 14:23:27 \oren\, I was going to last summer but a) I'm terrible, and b) I have no idea where to buy that sort of tape 14:24:14 eh, just cannibalize a consumer-grade tape recorder 14:24:31 it's technically still reel-to-reel, the reels are just packed into portable cartridges. 14:24:49 an Arduino could run the thing 14:27:36 gamemanj, that solves the second problem! 14:29:23 depending on how far you want to go, you could just connect an Arduino to two tapes - one for the program, another for the data... 14:29:34 or you could go further with logic chips 14:29:56 ZX-Spectrum style tape data storage is probably easy enough to implement 14:31:16 [wiki] [[MonkeyCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47083&oldid=35328 * LegionMammal978 * (+20) /* External resources */ 14:31:40 um, the “tape” is just a metaphor. it needn't be actual magnetic tape. 14:31:52 b_jonas, no-one said it had to be 14:31:55 but it's not fun that way 14:31:59 it could be a sequence of large capacity hard disks 14:32:07 but it's not fun that way... 14:32:11 :) 14:32:47 and anyway, it's probably cheaper to get ahold of music cassette tape than it is large-capacity hard disks 14:35:54 would you not have problems with the fact that magnetic tape might not work exactly like TM tape? 14:37:37 i mean the tape has to be moving across the head to get a read, i think 14:38:01 there would be problems keeping the symbols in sync, but if you can go backwards and forwards, then it's just a matter of making sure to have sync pulses. Like, two pulses nearby for "one", but one for "zero". Then it's just a matter of "formatting" the tape to put in the initial sync pulses. 14:40:34 As long as it doesn't miss any pulses, it should work fine - forwards or backwards. 14:41:42 After reading a pulse, the head should be parked at half of the distance between pulses, and a flag should exist to determine if it's left of the current symbol, or right. 15:21:39 -!- boily has joined. 15:29:17 -!- augur has joined. 15:53:56 `wisdom 15:54:14 termite//Termites are genericized ants for intellectual property reasons. 15:54:27 double slash now? 16:04:48 `wisdom 16:04:55 mosquito//Mosquitos are tiny vampires, sucking out your soul. 16:11:50 `? no 16:11:55 No means hi. 16:15:02 `? yes 16:15:06 yes? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:15:15 so HackEgo knows "no" but not "yes" 16:16:31 -!- Koen_ has joined. 16:17:55 `8-ball Do you know yes? 16:17:56 Concentrate and ask again. 16:19:21 in other news, I found more messages in that weird language from yesterday-or-so: 16:19:22 goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome, 16:19:22 Thise hablookgcsToriir-dome, by:- shale, 16:19:22 KI unrurwfling chillst', hy kinl'gror; fiEThgrivo? apcitjeons I rue, 16:20:07 and it makes just as much sense, too... 16:21:04 @tell tswett goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome, 16:21:04 Consider it noted. 16:21:53 @tell tswett temperature 2. Two can play that game! 16:21:53 Consider it noted. 16:27:30 wat 16:28:57 `? wat 16:28:59 ​ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው። 16:31:41 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 16:39:10 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:57:13 `unidecode ሰ 16:57:15 ​[U+1230 ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE SA] 16:59:06 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:13:59 -!- boily has quit (Quit: STRANDED CHICKEN). 17:19:04 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 17:25:11 ጿኈ ቼ ዽ ጿኈ ቼ ዽ ጿኈ ቼ ዽ ጿ 17:33:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:48:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:51:00 Hm... what's the Planck constant for fame? Or Beauty? Or Coolness? 17:51:32 I doubt it has? 17:51:56 I suppose that since a Warhol is the traditional unit of fame, and lasts for 15 minutes, the Planck Fame is probably 1 Planck Time of fame 17:52:15 O, OK 17:53:08 So the Planck Fame is, of course, the minimum amount of fame required to wind up on TMZ 17:53:45 OK, who the hell made a kitten out of neutronium? 17:53:49 Also, how the hell did you do that? 17:55:20 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:55:44 Don't make me call TPETA 17:55:53 ...I'm not going to ask what TPETA is 17:55:57 I'm just going to guess 17:56:05 and I'm going to be scared of what I guess 17:56:06 *TPETAFP 17:56:16 (Theoretical Physicists for the Ethical Treatment of Assemblies of Fundamental Particles) 17:56:43 nooooooo 17:57:25 wait... do they consider eating food unethical, then? 17:57:53 technically food == assemblies of fundamental particles... Ok, I think I can successfully get people to ignore them 17:57:54 The link for the Perl implementation of muxcomp seem broke, although it will be possible to write new implementations based on the description there, including hardware implementation. 17:58:18 "muxcomp"...? 17:58:35 It is on esolang wiki 17:58:47 Is this your plan for the main CPU? 17:59:14 For part of the microcode for main CPU, possibly. 17:59:19 I think it might be easier to just use the video processor design ^.^; 17:59:30 as in, just one processor design, but multiple of them 18:00:15 That is another idea 18:00:35 I think it keeps things simple... 18:00:56 Plus, simple processor means you need less FPGA resources in theory 18:01:16 Yes I can understand that. 18:01:37 However I think what is design for video processor would be insufficient for the main processor 18:01:55 Hmm, could be. 18:02:30 Hm... do imperial units include less conventional measurements? e.g. an equivalent of Pascals? 18:02:44 Hi everyone. 18:02:50 Well, there's pounds per square inch. 18:03:59 @sossages-loud 18:03:59 gamemanj said 1h 42m 55s ago: goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome, 18:03:59 gamemanj said 1h 42m 5s ago: temperature 2. Two can play that game! 18:04:35 So, let's see if my neural net has plateaued. 18:04:41 "Plateaued", what a nice word. 18:05:59 It's like that word for a thing that is similar to a queue, but isn't a queue. 18:06:01 You know. A queueoid. 18:07:49 My design of thinking is that although esolangs page for muxcomp says memory locations, my design uses registers, and the muxcomp operations only exist in microcode so the instruction size does not have to match the memory size. Other parts of the same microcode VLIW instruction would include the external memory I/O part, branch targets based on condition, autoincrement, and addition/subtraction arithmetic including carry. 18:08:16 tswett: Are there any words with more than 4 consecutive vowels? 18:08:30 hppavilion[1]: well, there's "queueing". 18:08:37 tswett: Ah, yess 18:08:39 *yes 18:08:40 As for a word *ending* with more than 4 consecutive vowels, I'm not aware of any. 18:08:43 tswett: Any more than that? 18:08:48 tswett: It need not end 18:08:59 Some registers can be special registers, too. 18:09:19 (I need this to exploit https://xkcd.com/853/) 18:09:33 ... 18:09:43 Lemme do a little search, here. 18:09:57 don't mind me just also running a search through /usr/share/dict/* 18:10:53 grep -i "[aeiou][aeiou][aeiou][aeiou][aeiou]" /usr/share/dict/* 18:11:03 ...why do I have a french dictionary 18:11:18 You mean grep -E '[aeiou]{3}' /usr/share/dict/*? 18:11:33 ...whichever works for you. 18:11:42 Also keep in mind the -i 18:11:54 So where was I. 18:12:08 Mine doesn't have any words with 5 or more. 18:12:23 "queueing" seems to be the one with the longest run 18:12:46 But it has a few words ending with four vowels. 18:13:07 If you're Italian, you're in luck! 18:13:14 "cuoiaio" 18:13:18 Onomatopoeia, pharmacopoeia, queue, sequoia. 18:13:43 Hey, that's my name. 18:13:50 /nick cuoiaio 18:14:09 In which case, I have some good news for you 18:14:36 it's in the italian dictionary. now to see what it means... 18:14:46 Someone suggest to me that the MIDI variant used in my computer design could be called IMIDI instead of MIDI. 18:14:54 ... 18:14:58 it's... just... 18:15:05 It's Italian for "Tanner" 18:15:23 (this is extra-funny if you /whois'd tswett) 18:15:49 [Whois] tswett is tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 (Tanner Swett) 18:16:17 The protocol is MIDI although the physical connection and electrical specification and so on may differ, and the communication is two ways in one cable. 18:16:25 ------ 18:16:54 (Also this new one isn't generally used for music, although it can be) 18:18:55 I am not sure what IMIDI even stands for, but may someone can make up what the letters abbreviate. 18:22:24 Hm... Are people on IRC who are /only/ on #esoteric infidels? 18:24:14 What do you mean by "infidel"? 18:25:46 @wn infidel 18:25:47 *** "infidel" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 18:25:47 infidel 18:25:47 n 1: a person who does not acknowledge your god [syn: {heathen}, 18:25:47 {pagan}, {gentile}, {infidel}] 18:26:02 I assume that depends on your god. 18:26:49 For example, if you're the only person who knows of them, everyone else is almost by definition one, including people on IRC only on #esoteric, assuming you're not one of them. 18:29:02 -!- Moon_ has joined. 18:29:12 It still does not explain much, it seem. What are your religious views anyways? Perhaps it can answer the question. 18:29:56 Are you the only person who knows of them? Prove it! 18:30:17 hi 18:30:30 once the logs are long enough, ima feed em through a program for fun 18:30:41 OK, what program is that? 18:30:51 Travestificator 18:30:54 V1.0 18:32:10 This little bit of feed here is not enough for eligible messages 18:33:08 this is what i gave for that: http://pastebin.com/8penHaqt 18:33:55 ...huh 18:34:16 "censor", in ancient rome, described "The guy who maintains the census" 18:34:22 He was also in charge of Public Morality 18:34:33 yea, the program is intresting 18:34:45 Which is where the modern meaning of c***** comes from 18:35:02 if i find something stupidly funny, i might show you all if you wish 18:35:26 Travestion[1]> ...huh 18:35:37 already at it 18:36:17 How long would "long enough" be? 18:36:39 zzo38: My religious views are from the Church of the Walrus GOd 18:36:42 not too long 18:36:46 My political party is the Grand Walrus Party 18:36:50 maybe a hour of logs during a bit busy times 18:36:52 Not really sure what the GWP stands for 18:37:00 There's a lot more than that available already. 18:37:04 I guess we stand for the conservation of angular momentum? 18:37:10 lol true 18:37:14 I think it stands for the Grand Walrus Party. 18:37:16 * tswett coughs. 18:37:19 ill take from the tunes logs 18:37:37 * hppavilion[1] banishes tswett to the wastelands 18:37:51 tswett: Enjoy your trip to the Dakotas 18:37:55 wastelands? 18:38:04 hppavilion[1]: OK, and are you infidel? 18:38:32 zzo38: Not sure, we haven't established what constitutes an infidel on #esoteric. That's what I was asking earlier. 18:38:35 is it going to be reprinted in this near future reprint set, whatever it's called? 18:38:40 eternal masters or something 18:39:00 Oh, that's easy. An infidel is someone who does not worship fungot. 18:39:00 tswett: they say that building a dungeon is a highly intelligent and completely evil creature. unlike the older race of the forest-day about him when he attacked cyrus in 549, after many minutes of climbing up the food into his house. one was his skilled handling of the numerous and colorfully mutilated divinities of that time, i will see in heaven is just a snake, to have an open ear, a lion-headed goddess. 18:39:07 I was asking whether someone who /only/ uses #esoteric on IRC is an infidel because they aren't using enough of IRC 18:39:12 '' peoplementated. '' 18:39:24 I wouldn't expect that makes you infidel? 18:39:28 ^style 18:39:29 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 18:39:32 zzo38: Well of course /you/ would 18:39:38 yes it is 18:39:44 ss? 18:39:46 ^style ss 18:39:46 Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) 18:39:52 Oh 18:39:53 oh, b_jonas, can you turn on termbot? 18:40:05 Wastelands and Sinkhole too 18:40:10 Moon_: let me see 18:40:13 I was hoping it would be something like the translations of the documents governing the Nazi secret police 18:40:33 ^style ct 18:40:33 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 18:40:37 ^style wp 18:40:37 Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) 18:40:50 Hm, that works 18:41:05 moon_: turned on 18:41:24 ok, thx, hes not in the #termbot channel yet 18:41:33 fungot: What is your opinion on the capitalization of "Into" in "StAr tReK: iNtO DaRkNeSs"? 18:41:33 hppavilion[1]: the merger was a good idea to keep this article written as if thet name change were accomplished fact; yes, us curriculum materials have been printed to that effect. 18:42:10 I assume "us" is "United States", not "this group of people that I am in" 18:42:11 They really should have compromised on "Star Trek Into Darkness". 18:42:28 tswett: How so? 18:42:46 Well, one side wanted "Star Trek into Darkness" and the other side wanted "Star Trek: Into Darkness". 18:42:52 Moon_: strange, according to my irc connection, it is and you aren't 18:42:53 tswett: Ah, yes 18:43:09 oh i made a typ in the name 18:43:18 Moon_: Was that a pun? 18:43:21 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:43:23 * hppavilion[1] eyes Moon_ suspiciously 18:43:30 no 18:43:56 Now, lemme see. I think a neural net with 50,000 parameters just can't do a very good job of learning English vocabulary. 18:44:27 here, almost 100 kb of travestificator madness: http://pastebin.com/igX83siC 18:44:41 ... Ok, look, here's how you spell it: サAタ trek: トニ darkness. There. No capitalization, and all the potential problematic words have been messed with (and badly by someone who doesn't know what they're doing - i.e. me -, too) 18:45:00 (That unicode chart's been really useful recently...) 18:45:04 "Occasionally the metre per hour is used for slow-moving objects like snails." --wikipedia 18:45:10 `unidecode サAタ 18:45:20 huh, I left an "a" in 18:45:21 ​[U+30B5 KATAKANA LETTER SA] [U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A] [U+30BF KATAKANA LETTER TA] 18:45:25 `unidecode トニ 18:45:26 ​[U+30C8 KATAKANA LETTER TO] [U+30CB KATAKANA LETTER NI] 18:45:33 Why do we do hourly wages? Why not give wages by the fortsecond? 18:45:49 Shillings per fortsecond. 18:46:04 hppavilion[1]: because then it would probably add up to less than an integer value and then they could pay you nothing 18:46:29 and then they could call it a "rounding error" 18:46:37 gamemanj: No, they couldn't 18:46:47 Well, probably not legally, but still 18:47:02 nobody likes decimals 18:47:05 gamemanj: Also, if you're charged minimum wage by the hour, and an hour is 3,600 seconds, and a fortsecond is 14 seconds... 18:47:27 That's roughly 257 fortseconds to the hour 18:47:52 According to Wikipedia, an adult knows roughly 15,000 words. 18:48:05 So how many parameters should I have? Hmm. 18:48:16 roughly 15,000 I'd? 18:48:32 I already have about 40,000, and they're not doing too hot. 18:49:03 Lemme try 200,000 parameters. 18:49:05 hppavilion[1]: we already have wages or salaries given per hour, day, week, month, and year; and the net and gross version of each of these and in all kinds of monetary units with sometimes the exponent omitted. it can be pretty confusing already when someone just gives their salary as a number like “I earn 140”. 18:49:08 gamemanj: There. 3 cents/fortsecond gets you a bit better than minimum wage 18:49:19 hppavilion[1]: I'd say it can't get any worse if you add fortseconds, but it probably can. 18:49:39 b_jonas: Specifically, $7.71/hour, rounded 18:50:06 "From the desk of a rich person: 'I earn £140 million a fortsecond.'" 18:50:28 gamemanj: So minimum wage in USD? 18:50:43 ... 18:50:47 A second. 18:50:57 I'm just throwing out words and hoping it makes a joke 18:51:13 For one british pound, you can get 1.46 US Dollars, according to Google's converter. 18:51:14 That's 1000000 pounds/second 18:51:21 hppavilion[1]: I think 140 million pounds per fortsecond is probably more than the minimum wage in the US 18:51:27 Thus, presumably the US Dollar is worth less. 18:51:31 I don't see why England uses pounds as their currency instead of Kilograms 18:51:37 ... 18:51:44 18:51:47 It's because... 18:51:52 WE HAVE ICH DIEN ON OUR TWO PENCES! 18:51:52 Unicode really needs to add that 18:51:58 ... 18:52:15 no? So apparently you can confuse me but I can't confuse you. 18:52:23 Anyway, don't mind me, I'm going to get out a 2p coin 18:52:42 The US also needs a pi dollar bill. But who should be on it? 18:52:51 but, yeah, you can't get standardized printed on kilograms 18:53:00 it seems I am omitting words today 18:53:01 I vote that guy from Numberphile 18:53:48 WHOA louisianna has no minimum wage 18:54:04 Nor does Mississippi 18:54:12 But there's still a federal minimum wage. 18:54:21 whats a good software for a neura networks? 18:54:29 Moon_: What language? 18:54:44 neural networks, any language :P 18:54:54 Moon_: I'm using TensorFlow. 18:54:57 Moon_: ... to initialize the dataset, you should connect up electrodes to your house cat, then... 18:55:04 lol 18:55:09 Moon_: I recommend Zuccini if you want the purest neural networks 18:55:12 iu am not hurting my housecat 18:55:20 Moon_: I mean, do you want to write code, or do you want something that works out of the box? 18:55:37 works out of the box, i am nt good at complex numbers as of now 18:55:37 For something that works out of the box, use Karpathy's char-rnn or its successor torch-rnn. 18:56:33 Moon_: Hurting a cat would be a very bad thing! 18:56:43 Moon_: (Then again, who said that they would be hurt in the process?) 18:56:53 The US states with the highest minimum wage are California and Massachusetts at $10/hour, though New York has rather complicated laws that have different minimum wages based on the region, and there's a plan that changes it for the next 5 years 18:57:11 Oh, and it's also based on the size of the employer 18:57:54 Wouldn't it be funny if minimum wage scaled linearly with the size of the employer? 18:58:05 American Samoa has it awful; minimum wage varies by industry, but it can be as small as $4.19 18:58:07 tswett: Yes 18:58:19 "Each of your employees must be paid at least 0.01% of your company's revenue." 18:58:43 Some companies don't have any revenue, so they wouldn't have to pay their employees anything. 18:59:05 Of course, this would set a hard limit on the number of employees a company can have. 18:59:17 It would be just about impossible to have 10,000 employees. 18:59:19 tswett: It'd suck for 10,000-employee companies 18:59:23 Right. 18:59:39 Come to think of it, no, you could have more than 10,000 employees. 18:59:56 You'd simply have to pay more in employee compensation than you're earning in revenue. 18:59:58 tswett: Well yeah, but you'd lose monies 19:00:15 the U.S. virgin islands and Puerto Rico have minimum wage at the same as the federal minimum wage ($7.25); the only U.S. territory with a superfederal minimum wage is Guam at $8.25 19:01:02 The minimum wage of #esoteric is, of course, $-10/nanocentury 19:01:12 (is it better written $-n or -$n?) 19:01:15 I think minimum wage should be zero 19:01:26 (-$n looks better, but also makes no sense) 19:01:27 zzo38: Why? 19:01:42 Sure -$n makes sense. 19:01:44 You don't need minimum wage. 19:01:51 It's the additive inverse of $n. 19:02:08 £-1.#INF/nanocentury 19:02:35 zzo38: What about for workers who have no sense of money? 19:03:16 zzo38: And if no minimum wage is needed, companies can just collectively offer less money than their labor is worth. Of course, I suppose products will start to be worth less, but that still leads to rapid deflation 19:03:42 * hppavilion[1] is not an economist; he's a good person 19:04:00 Are you suggesting that all the companies in the US would collaborate to lower wages? 19:04:14 tswett: Yes, because it'd be better for them overall 19:04:33 tswett: At least, large employers would 19:04:46 Surely there would be a lot of defectors, though. Companies which decide to offer the usual wages instead, because then they'll get more and better employees. 19:05:12 tswett: Perhaps, but it'd still probably make the economy unstable 19:05:38 Huh, Cuba has a maximum wage set at 20 USD 19:05:40 PER MONTH 19:06:29 Dang, that's below the absolute poverty line. 19:08:10 tswett: That's, like, below the double poverty line 19:08:25 The double poverty line? 19:08:34 I think if an employer does not consider my work as much as minimum wage and therefore want to pay less and if I would want to accept such a job, that it should not be illegal to do so. 19:08:45 So, this new neural net isn't good at Shakespeare yet. 19:08:47 s ernitmhI d' agpgiTh.. hr�eseidhoce,�rrIrlt;esswyo lp ba lcy,nsl� ee hhhaiigmn to wo lt,ohAhpwrUtnh o lmh iwpIrsOfdI eotihus wh 19:09:00 lol 19:09:06 train it more 19:09:11 I'm on it. 19:09:12 tswett: At which the average person living below the poverty line has it as well as the average person living above the poverty line, relative to the average person below the double poverty line 19:09:15 tswett: hhhaigmn? 19:09:49 at least it has a vague idea about the word 'to' 19:10:18 So if the average non-povertous person makes 100 units per planck time, and the average povertous person makes 20 units per planck time, then the average double-povertous person makes 4 units per planck time 19:10:28 b_jonas: hth 19:10:43 tswett: comprende? 19:10:56 It's basically a valley-of-the-blind scenario 19:11:05 hppavilion[1]: so, like, consider the ratio between the living standards of the average person above the line and the average person below the line? 19:11:13 tswett: Yes 19:11:53 tswett: And the average person above the double anti-poverty line, in the previous scenario, makes 500 units per planck time 19:12:34 (maybe it should just be called the anti-poverty line, but that makes it less clear) 19:13:39 tswett: I think you're doing it wrong hth, btw 19:14:57 `words 19:14:59 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAA 19:15:15 <\oren\> WHY IS THERE AN FN-LK function?!?!?!?!? 19:15:19 \oren\: QQQQQQQQQ 19:15:25 casit 19:15:56 \oren\: for numpad, I think 19:16:09 \oren\: or maybe for the function keys 19:16:10 -!- Moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:16:36 <\oren\> b_jonas: My laptop has a full 100 key keyboeard 19:17:10 <\oren\> the fn key only exists to allow volume up volume down etc 19:17:15 \oren\: for people who miss the fn key because they're used to it from other vendors? 19:18:12 <\oren\> Well it has a fn, but why is there an fn lock? 19:23:44 for people who want to user thr 789uiojkl numpad? 19:24:09 -!- xfix has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 19:24:29 Of course, now there's no excuse for not also including a discordian date key, and one for making coffee. 19:25:18 -!- xfix has joined. 19:25:29 <\oren\> int-e: but my laptop has an actual numpad!!!! 19:25:33 (TODO: Implement these for real) Actually the "make coffee" key is Fn-F1 (usually play-pause), and the "What was the last #ddate twist by @tasty" key is Fn-F2. 19:25:42 (usually "rewind") 19:26:05 <\oren\> I have a GOOD laptop 19:26:13 \oren\: but who's still using that ;-) 19:26:52 gamemanj: which button is discordian date, and which button controls the amount of sugar in the coffee? 19:27:19 b_jonas: it depends on the phase of the moon. 19:27:22 b_jonas: @tasty posts a #ddate twist every day, so Fn-F2 works fine, and the amount of sugar is always right. 19:29:46 don't mind me just playing with zenity and twisterd... 19:31:16 this seems to be "reliable enough": twisterd getposts 32 "[{\"username\":\"tasty\"}]" | grep -m 1 ddate 19:35:23 -!- Akaibu has quit. 19:36:36 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:39:35 and cutting out the JSON... 19:39:36 YOLD_RAW=`twisterd getposts 32 "[{\"username\":\"tasty\"}]" | grep -m 1 ddate` 19:39:36 YOLD_FIXED=`echo "$YOLD_RAW" | tail -c +22 | head -c -3` 19:41:42 There. Now I just need to implement a way of controlling a coffee machine... 20:05:22 Remember to follow the standards when doing that. 20:05:36 https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt 20:11:42 -!- Koen_ has joined. 20:15:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:15:37 fizzie: Trouble is, the particular coffee machine I have is closer to... 20:15:40 let me dig up the file... 20:16:36 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/tossercp.txt 20:17:16 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 20:17:40 (For some reason, my random scribblings have been rather useful today.) 20:21:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:32:18 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:40:32 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:49:23 -!- gamemanj has joined. 20:51:30 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:52:03 I'm @ man 20:54:26 -!- Reece` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:54:33 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 20:54:36 -!- nortti has changed nick to dihutenosa. 20:54:58 -!- dihutenosa has changed nick to nortti. 21:10:03 Yes maybe some functions should be user-defined functions. You probably could reprogram the play/pause key in your operating system though, to execute a program to control a coffee maker and display a Discordian date, if you prefer to do that 21:12:52 Well, the coffee maker thing isn't practical, but I now have Fn-F1 set to display the latest twist from @tasty containing "#ddate". So there's that. 21:12:53 zzo38: Did you see my message about Scribe? 21:14:18 -!- boily has joined. 21:14:21 Yes. Is there a free implementation of Scribe? 21:15:39 I don't know. 21:15:49 `? member 21:16:28 I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway. 21:17:13 `? pumping lemma 21:17:16 noooooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times. 21:17:40 `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom 21:17:52 wisdom/nooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeesh \ wisdom/pumping lemma \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/vim \ wisdom/ 21:17:58 `? www 21:18:02 WWWWWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to. 21:18:07 `? www 21:18:09 WWWWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to. 21:18:10 oops 21:18:22 `cat bin/rnooodl 21:18:23 perl -pe 's/([^w\W])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge' 21:18:46 `run sed -i s/w/wW/ bin/rnooodl 21:18:51 No output. 21:19:22 `? www 21:19:24 WWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to. 21:19:27 `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom | sed 's#wisdom/##' 21:19:29 nooodle \ xkcq \ hagb4rd \ yeeeeeeeesh \ yeeeeeeeeeesh \ ssstosis \ www \ yeeeeeeeeesh \ ioccclist \ llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ yeeeeeesh \ pumping lemma \ nooodl \ code \ phantom___hoover \ vim \ shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj \ hat \ yeeeeesh \ welcome.bork \ pho \ yeeeeeeesh \ yeeeesh 21:19:32 `? vim 21:19:34 vim equals to approximately ccxxxviin. 21:19:44 `? hat 21:19:45 hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo 21:19:58 `? pho 21:19:59 Phở is a Vietnamese soup invented by nooodl to stress-test implementations of Unicode combining characters. 21:20:19 `? yeeeeesh 21:20:21 See yeeeeeeesh. 21:20:24 `? yeeeeeesh 21:20:25 See yeeeeeeesh. 21:20:36 `? ssstosis 21:20:38 ssssssssstosis is a disease causing false identities 21:20:57 `? xkcq 21:20:58 ​"xkcq" is worth 8 more points than "xkcd" in Scrabble, or a whopping 30 more if both are played optimally on a triple word score. Nyahhhhhhhhh. 21:21:04 `? hagb4rd 21:21:06 hagb4rd is one spacey fellow. Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace. 21:21:50 `` echo spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace 21:21:52 spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace 21:23:18 wat 21:23:40 space! 21:24:39 `` echo aaabbb 21:24:41 aaaaaaabbbbb 21:24:48 `` echo aaa aaa 21:24:50 aaaaaaaaa aaa 21:41:48 Shachaf the Character Witch. Shacharactch. 21:43:19 `` grep -P '(.)\1\1' share/dict-words 21:43:21 KKK's \ WWW's 21:47:43 `echo Whaaaaat? 21:47:45 Whaaaaat? 21:47:55 `echo aaabbb 21:47:56 aaabbb 21:48:01 `` echo Whaaaaat? 21:48:03 Whaaaaaaat? 21:48:31 `` echo Fannee Doolee's noodle balloons 21:48:33 ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 21:48:45 `` echo Fannee Doolee\'s noodle balloons 21:48:46 Fannee Doolee's noodle balloons 21:49:11 `` echo cryptooology 21:49:13 cryptooology 21:49:18 `? phthisis 21:49:18 `cat bin/echo 21:49:23 `? silent 21:49:25 cat: bin/echo: No such file or directory 21:49:27 phthisis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:49:27 silent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:49:34 ``` grep silent wisdom/* 21:49:36 no 21:49:41 grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches 21:49:42 `` echo bbbbb bbbbb bbbbb 21:49:44 bbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbb bbbbbbbb 21:49:49 ``` grep -s silent wisdom/* 21:49:51 Binary file wisdom/reflection matches 21:49:56 `` echo b bb bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbbb bbbbbbb 21:49:57 b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbb 21:50:07 `echo b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb 21:50:09 b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb 21:50:18 ``` grep -si "[pc]hth" wisdom/* 21:50:20 wisdom/chthonic:Chthonic lithping can be vethy dithturbing to lithten to. \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches 21:50:22 `` echo b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb 21:50:23 b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbbbbbb bbbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbb bbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbb 21:50:45 `` echo "Fannneee Doooleee's nooodle balllooons" 21:50:46 Fannnneeee Doooooooleee's nooooodle balllloooons 21:52:11 `culprits wisdom/chthonic 21:52:22 oerjan 21:52:52 `? #esoteric 21:52:54 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0 21:52:58 `learn Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, gnu, gnat; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium. 21:53:02 Learned 'silent': Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, 21:53:09 `undo 8187 21:53:10 `? silent 21:53:46 patching file wisdom/#esoteric 21:53:47 Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, gnu, gnat; pneumat 21:54:11 hmm 21:55:36 `cat bin/`mv 21:55:38 echo Try again 21:55:40 `rm bin/`mv 21:55:43 No output. 21:55:48 `learn Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium. 21:55:50 Relearned 'silent': Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium. 21:55:53 `? silent 21:55:54 Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium. 21:55:55 better 21:56:03 this way it fits a line 22:08:24 what's a wren? 22:10:15 how is wrong considered to be pronounced if something is silent g 22:10:18 ? 22:10:27 boily: a sort of bird 22:10:46 ...I pronounce both initial consononants in chthonic 22:10:49 Is that wrong? 22:10:54 Like ch-th-onic 22:11:03 Taneb: no, it's not wrong 22:11:10 as a german, the silent p always gets me 22:11:31 the list includes stuff that some crazy English speakers pronounce without the initial consonants, which I don't really understand and often can't emulate 22:11:31 there is no such thing as a silent p in germany, even though these words exist 22:12:18 I do omit the k from the kn* words, even "know" (because I pronounce it with a different vowel from "now"), but the wr* words are horrible, a lot of them are homonyms. 22:12:24 b_jellonas. tdh. 22:12:29 kn words sound different in my head to n words 22:12:35 As in, "right, rite, wright, write" are all pronounced the same 22:12:36 But I think I pronounce them the same? 22:12:55 well, even if "know" is fine, "knight" versus "night" can still be a problem of course 22:13:03 -!- xkapastel has joined. 22:13:12 But I think the wr* words are worse 22:13:22 b_jonas: it's a knightmare 22:13:35 b_jonas, I'm sure you're write 22:13:35 english is such a horrible language 22:13:39 I agree 22:13:58 chinese is supposedly worse 22:14:22 the korean alphabet looks neat 22:14:52 English is a stupid language 22:14:55 I'm trying to learn Italian 22:15:15 Taneb: I also hate the word "lead" 22:15:24 but there's no consonant cluster involved there 22:15:31 just ugly homonymy 22:15:34 b_jonas, I'll lead you to a lead-lined chamber where you will be safe 22:15:47 -!- hwpplayer1 has left. 22:15:50 You can live there, as long as you like, there'll even be live music! 22:16:08 there's like three different words called "lead", plus two words called "led", with two pronounciations mixed up in a crazy way 22:16:34 three, really? 22:16:39 int-e: dunno, maybe more 22:16:55 oh there's the lead in a criminal case 22:16:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:17:01 b_jonas, I read once that there are over 60 definitions of "set" 22:17:58 so, one verb with corresponding noun and adjective, and the metal. 22:19:51 int-e, there's apparently also a verb corresponding to the known 22:19:53 *noun 22:20:02 do you distinguish a set of chess pieces from the mathematical sets? 22:20:20 int-e, possibly 22:20:45 at least it's nice to have a set set of meanings 22:20:47 I believe this was the definitions according to OED 22:22:10 `? deprecate 22:22:13 deprecate? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:23:14 Then there's these crazy word pairs nobody can distinguish, so they will probably merge in a few decades: depracate - depreciate, continuous - contiguous, homogenous - homogeneous 22:23:48 the wiki layout on https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot is so horrible... I keep looking for the page history in the box of tools on the right. 22:25:24 On MediaWiki you can use accesskey "h" for history mainly, I think, so if it is MediaWiki then try that. 22:25:47 (I use custom CSS on MediaWiki sites to hide all of the menus, so the keyboard commands are the only way to access such things anyways) 22:26:39 s/depracate/deprecate/ 22:28:37 int-e: or you can just type url paths directly, like adding &action=history or going to /wiki/Special:SpecialPages ; that usually works even on the worst skinned mediawikis, like wikia 22:29:04 ... not looking for workarounds 22:29:43 Those pairs are, I think, from different etimologies. Then there's demon - daemon - daimon which is from the same etimology and I never really understood how they're distinguished. 22:30:01 or maybe only two of those are from the same etimology, the third isn't? 22:31:40 (the link is there, after all... just not where I'm looking) 23:13:40 `? invincible 23:13:52 invincible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:20:02 * quintopia zzZzZzzZzZ 23:25:02 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:29:44 The noun set has 13 senses (first 7 from tagged texts) 23:29:47 The verb set has 25 senses (first 14 from tagged texts) 23:29:49 The adj set has 7 senses (first 4 from tagged texts) 23:30:03 In WordNet. Of course OED goes for a lot more obscure meanings. 23:30:54 (As for lead, 17 senses for the noun and 14 for the verb in WordNet.) 23:32:15 Many related, of course. 23:33:17 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 23:33:39 Aw, I just realized I can't use the university library's OED subscription much longer. 23:46:20 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:47:33 -!- HackEgo has joined. 23:52:09 `? manager 23:52:15 manager? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:52:47 -!- rdococ has joined. 2016-05-30: 00:02:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:06:38 `le/rn mason jar/A Mason jar is a jar made by someone named Mason. 00:06:50 Learned «mason jar» 00:07:19 Can I speak to Mason, then? This jar is broken. 00:07:33 whoily! 00:10:08 whell whell whellœrjan! 00:10:57 boily: we seem to meet only about every 3 days 00:11:15 `learn Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html 00:11:19 Learned 'manager': Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html 00:11:32 `? hacker 00:11:34 hacker? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:12:04 oerjan: I was exceptionaly busy lately hthly 00:12:10 `le/rn hacker/Jim Hacker is a former British prime minister. 00:12:13 Learned «hacker» 00:13:29 I have designed a 134-bit VLIW microcode. 00:13:53 also wtf yafgc (don't read today's if you're not caught up and hate spoilers) 00:18:59 `? yafgc 00:19:00 yafgc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:19:11 Yet Another Fungot Got Cherries? 00:19:22 Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic 00:19:35 oic. tdh. 00:19:36 It is also a kind of OISC VLIW 00:20:33 boily: the current arc is extremely dark, and that's for a comic whose original main characters are _evil_ d&d monsters... 00:21:04 (it's since grown a large number of good characters as well) 00:21:32 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: *yawns*). 00:22:01 oh. can't read it. clashing with my vegan aura. 00:22:08 wat. 00:22:18 ^^ 00:22:23 it's also occasionally nsfw, but it's sunday so... 00:24:27 today's it's 10th anniversary btw and the author decided to make that coincide with a very major event. 00:26:03 boily: i think your vegan aura chickened out years ago, anyway. 00:26:41 it's just an aura, nothing substantial. 00:26:46 OKAY 00:27:01 I accidentaly made vegan food for supper >_>'... 00:27:09 like a carnivore aura but even lighter? 00:27:38 oerjan: i assume that the itymology of "it's" is "its" 00:27:46 a vegan aura doesn't even cast a ghostly shadow. 00:27:47 darn 00:28:06 shachaf: i blame the "today's" affecting my neurons 00:30:56 `? itymology 00:30:59 Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement. 00:31:09 OKAY 00:31:18 -!- adu has joined. 00:33:56 helloily 00:34:14 :33 < i use my shipping wall to track pairs of people who are items 00:34:21 which makes me an itemologist, of course 00:35:53 quinthellopia. 00:36:04 how do 00:36:48 chillaxing while the AC does its thing. 00:37:33 (well, it will have done its thing in an hour or two. just started it; it's become disturbingly humid.) 00:37:37 @metar CYUL 00:37:38 CYUL 292300Z 16011KT 15SM FEW080 SCT120 OVC250 26/19 A2993 RMK AC1AC2CI5 SLP136 DENSITY ALT 1400FT 00:37:41 hi all 00:37:46 hidu! 00:38:00 boily: do I know you? 00:38:11 I don't think so. 00:38:12 ive been coerced into someone elses family gathering 00:38:32 your family? someone else's family? will you survive? 00:38:37 Was it an unsafe coerce? 00:39:02 yes 00:39:02 boily: My name is Andrew, but you may call me adu, you may not call me abu, if you do I will ignore you for all of time 00:40:00 Why about your father? 00:40:14 May I call your father abu adu? 00:40:30 quintopia's condition sounds scary. 00:40:47 shachaf: "Why about" is not english, what is your native language? 00:40:56 I meant "What about". 00:41:09 That was only my fingers being affected by oerjan's neurons. 00:41:14 "why about" makes perfect sense hth. 00:41:23 @time adu 00:41:24 Local time for adu is 2016-05-29 19:42:08 -0400 00:41:35 oh, an east coaster! 00:41:46 what about east coasters? 00:41:54 East Coast Best Coast :D 00:42:08 nah, California is where it's at ;) 00:42:13 pfeuh :P 00:42:27 I think you meant "psfph" 00:42:39 boily: Not to be confused with , I suppose. 00:42:57 no, indeed not. 00:43:02 shachaf: what coast is that? 00:43:05 adu: that was a French «pfeuh». 00:43:46 my timezone is EST, but my heart is in PST 00:43:57 adu: Easter coast. 00:44:04 boily: come extract me 00:44:08 Almost an east coaster. 00:44:24 shachaf: is that even *more* east than the east coast? 00:44:59 dd if=quintopia.iso of=/dev/KATL bs=4M conv=noerror 00:45:00 -!- shikhin has changed nick to sertie. 00:45:04 boily: http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2013/09/coast-coaster-set-east-2-460x460.jpg hth 00:45:23 he he he :D 00:45:32 -!- hydraz has changed nick to surtie. 00:45:44 boily: Bad news, Canada isn't part of the east coast. 00:45:47 quintopia: wait. you aren't KATLing anymore. 00:45:47 -!- sertie has changed nick to shikhin. 00:45:53 -!- shikhin has changed nick to sertie. 00:46:01 boily: did you say Klingon? 00:46:03 shachaf: we're appröximatively eastcoastal. 00:46:18 adu: nope. I haven't learned Klingon yet. 00:46:40 boily: good, neither have I, I spent too much time learning Haskell 00:47:09 boily: nope 00:47:18 come to mountain time 00:48:28 tlhask hol 00:50:27 any other Haskell fans here? 00:51:18 nah, we hate haskell by and large 00:51:34 any Rust fans in here? 00:51:40 Phantom_Hoover is confused, he thinks haskell is a brainfuck derivative 00:51:45 * oerjan pokes Sgeo 00:52:03 Hi oerjan hi adu 00:52:07 * Sgeo is a Rust fan 00:52:13 Sgeo: cool 00:52:36 Made several libraries for Rust including take_mut 00:52:43 nice 00:52:44 > var "No Haskellers here" 00:52:46 No Haskellers here 00:53:03 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * DJMcMayhem * New user account 00:53:11 I've done very little in Rust, mainly because I have no time, but what I have done has shown me it's an incredibly productive language 00:53:33 adu: you should try Java. 00:53:37 Go is also productive, but it's too easy to make crap in it 00:53:56 Java is for crappy people to make crappy software, no thanks 00:54:28 * Sgeo goes *ahem* with the generic Go criticism that Go has no generics 00:54:45 Sgeo: I never said that 00:54:50 python is p okay 00:54:51 I suspect that I'd rather write Java than Go. 00:55:20 shachaf, some Java libraries can be painful in ways the language doesn't force 00:55:27 Sgeo: unless you're talking about my blog: http://straymindcough.blogspot.com/2011/01/golang-proposals.html 00:55:48 Sgeo: Yes, the average Java culture is surely worse than the Java language. 00:55:51 I vaguely recall one standard lib api returning null instead of an empty list for something 00:56:06 adu: btw shachaf and Taneb wrote about half of lens, i think. 00:56:14 >_> 00:56:15 lens 00:56:26 oerjan: do you mean what I think you mean? 00:56:27 also 00:56:31 oerjan! hi 00:56:32 adu: probably. 00:57:03 as in every function is attached to it's own undo function? 00:57:09 (also above statement _may_ be wildly exaggerated. i'm just not sure of it.) 00:57:17 adu: wait, you know haskell but not lens? 00:57:32 oerjan: apparently 00:57:38 shocking 00:57:46 shachaf: hey i was writing that 00:58:12 oerjan: maybe you'd know more if you joined #haskell-lens hth 00:58:21 what's haskell-lens? 00:59:08 [wiki] [[Esoteric programming language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47084&oldid=44813 * DJMcMayhem * (+374) Added description of "Golfing languages" 00:59:48 shachaf: yes but then my brain would get regularly overloaded tdnh 01:00:19 adu: it's the channel for the real haskell experts hth 01:00:32 oerjan: itym twnh hth hand 01:00:54 twnh -- owi? 01:01:03 shachaf: are you trying to make a tense moment? 01:01:11 I think I stopped using Haskell around 2010, possibly because I read a paper by Oleg detailing how to construct a Hashtable purely on the type level, without using any memory, and my brain exploded 01:01:39 adu: ah. a lot has happened since then. 01:02:30 nowadays you probably don't even need to be Oleg to do that. 01:02:36 lol 01:03:23 oerjan isn't letting on how he uses all sorts of fancy type system extensions to exploit GHC bugs as a hobby 01:03:42 shachaf: that was _last_ winter, sheesh. 01:03:44 I just want solid software 01:04:02 I think Rust is better at delivering it than Haskell 01:04:03 i have hardly touched haskell since october, when my computer crashed. 01:04:08 -!- surtie has changed nick to hydraz. 01:04:13 oerjan: why did it crash? 01:04:15 oerjan: Are those related? 01:04:19 Do you need a computer? 01:04:32 oerjan: I can send you a linux netbook 01:04:33 shachaf: yes. i never installed ghc on the new hard disk. 01:04:49 oerjan: But you can just Haskell it up on the computer you use for IRC. 01:05:19 shachaf: i'm not sure they would appreciate me installing ghc as a user... 01:05:25 Who? 01:05:27 otoh they might not even notice. 01:05:34 You can install GHC in your home directory, no problem. 01:05:37 shachaf: the admins on the machine i irc from... 01:05:44 -!- sertie has changed nick to hcddwch. 01:07:19 adu: hard disk sector error, somewhere in the middle of the OS. 01:07:27 -!- Melvar` has joined. 01:07:48 i could boot it, and use it, but i couldn't leave it alone for 10 minutes without it rebooting. 01:08:07 oerjan: You could install GHC 8 now. 01:08:14 And provide the rest of us with a trip report. 01:08:27 shachaf: i know. maybe when i get that far in /r/haskell. 01:09:20 why would you read reddit, though 01:09:23 installing ghc 8.0.1 is easy 01:09:24 it's a scow website 01:09:26 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:09:36 int-e: Like a monoid? 01:09:45 I've built lambdabot with it (patching a few packages on the way), but not dared to test it. 01:09:55 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:10:25 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar. 01:10:40 see also https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/issues/145 01:10:57 you should upgrade lambdabot to ghc 8 so i can try it out twh 01:11:25 working on it... but I need sleep 01:11:36 so next weekend... hopefully 01:11:52 * oerjan wishes github had responsive web pages 01:13:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:13:21 oerjan: What pages do you wish were responsive? 01:14:21 shachaf: like the one int-e linked, when i zoom it doesn't reflow 01:14:52 you have to upgrade your eyes to use github 01:15:00 AAAAAAAAAA 01:15:10 * shachaf wishes there was something as good as Google Code Search 01:15:35 shachaf: i'm pretty sure trying to use github was what _really_ crashed my computer. 01:16:08 bad crashing auras. 01:17:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:22:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:22:39 @tell b_jonas hehe, even John Baez reports about the small Turing machines stuff in his blog: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/ <-- he already wrote about it in his _other_ blog 01:22:39 Consider it noted. 01:23:59 hmm, new small TM stuff? 01:25:04 hm i think it's just what i already saw 01:25:28 okay, Stefan O'Rear delivered on his promise that he could improve the bounds 01:25:40 maybe it wasn't linked here but https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/05/21/the-busy-beaver-game/ 01:25:57 two weeks ago, but I had not seen it anyway. 01:26:24 i guess i found it from aaronson's blog at it wasn't mentioned directly here 01:26:29 *and 01:27:44 hm he has a new blog post about very long proofs 01:29:16 https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/05/28/very-long-proofs/ 01:29:39 * oerjan ponders whether to bite the bullet and subscribe to the rss 01:30:32 what do you use to track rss feeds these days? 01:30:40 oerjan: did you hear ddarius has one of these post websites too now 01:30:52 Phantom_Hoover: i just use IE? 01:31:03 shachaf: er, wat 01:31:19 I found that fully open source FPGA toolchain does exist, for use with iCE40 FPGAs. I don't know if this toolchain is compatible with non-x86 computers, but I expect it could probably be ported if you want to. 01:31:20 a website with posts 01:31:41 * oerjan vaguely recalls the nick ddarius but not why he should be particularly interested. 01:32:09 ok 01:32:37 in fact, i don't recall anything about the nick other than _maybe_ a vague haskell vibe. 01:33:16 this person http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/user/1510 01:33:53 OKAY 01:42:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:55:14 -!- hcddwch has changed nick to shikhin. 01:56:20 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FRIDAY CHICKEN). 02:18:03 Apparently VAX microcode is 188-bits VLIW, which is what User:Ian wrote at least 02:19:00 Let's see, how many parameters does my neural net have, again? It's... 02:19:48 > let s = 144 in (256+1)*s + 6*(s+1)*s + (s+1)*256 02:19:50 199408 02:20:14 It would be neat if it managed to memorize this tinyshakespeare file. 02:20:42 I'm pretty sure that's impossible. 02:22:05 tinyshakespeare has about 1.1 million characters. English text tends to have an entropy of roughly approximately 1 bit per character. That means this file has about a million bits of entropy. 02:23:10 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:37:52 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:37:55 `? infidel 02:38:22 infidel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:38:38 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 02:39:21 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:41:26 `learn An infidel is someone who doesn't support the great former leader. Socialismo o muerte! 02:41:43 Learned 'infidel': An infidel is someone who doesn't support the great former leader. Socialismo o muerte! 02:46:14 User:Ian also wrote that SHARC has hardware COME FROM; how does that work? 03:11:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:11:54 whoa, it's undecidable whether two finite state transducers are equivalent? 03:13:28 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 03:14:01 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:14:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:15:22 shachaf: eel 03:15:26 *eek 03:15:40 `? hovercraft 03:15:47 a-é-ro-g-liss-e-ur. If you mention eels, you'll get smacked with one of them in a most unappropriate manner. 03:17:28 oerjan: is hovercraft the dual of minecraft 03:17:40 MAYBE 03:18:11 unless that's yourscraft 03:23:28 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 03:24:03 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:34:38 -!- jaboja has joined. 03:38:10 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:39:15 `quote 03:39:15 `quote 03:39:16 `quote 03:39:17 `quote 03:39:17 `quote 03:39:26 514) When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a monad. 03:39:37 705) you tell us you're making a lisp interpreter, but you don't mention its polterchrist is c++ templates? isn't that like telling us you're taking a bath and not mentioning you're bathing in a WORLD FULL OF SNAKES 03:39:38 8) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence 03:39:39 919) DIE oh hey elliott 03:39:40 602) Yeah, statistics with 2 data points is science. Statistics with one data point is crap. You measure a third point if you need an error estimate. 03:40:03 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:40:08 i'm too biased to take action here 03:42:07 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 03:44:05 I wonder how that Madelon quote got there. 03:49:49 o hai 04:02:25 tswett: i think way back, HackEgo used to be on another channel and some of the oldest quotes have lingered. 04:24:49 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: thunderstorm). 04:26:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:29:50 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 04:31:57 Do you understand what I wrote about the microcodes of my new kind of computer design by now? 04:33:28 No. I don't think I even read it. 04:33:36 BURN 04:33:41 What? 04:33:55 idk it sounded like a burn 04:34:07 What's a burn? 04:34:08 An insult? 04:34:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:34:32 Then read and see what it says. I don't know all of the what it work so hopefully other people can help it too 04:34:59 zzo38: Is this about VAX microcode? 04:35:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn 04:35:50 No, I mean my own design 04:58:49 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 05:11:13 -!- Melvar has joined. 05:16:20 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: [). 05:20:53 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 05:24:08 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 06:27:04 @let newtype A = A deriving Typeable 06:27:04 Parse failed: newtype declaration constructor must have exactly one parameter. 06:27:20 @let newtype A = A Int deriving Typeable 06:27:23 Defined. 06:27:24 hmph 06:27:39 * oerjan was hoping for a warning 06:29:18 What warning? 06:29:26 Oh, that it's automatic? 06:29:40 yeah 06:30:32 shachaf: there's a set of new pragmas that are affecting deriving, and i'm wondering if they've considered Typeable. 06:31:04 oerjan: that seems like an awfully pragmatic thing for you to worry about hth 06:32:04 well i don't want them to open up the Typeable hole again... 06:32:35 newtype A = A Int deriving {-# GND #-} Typeable would do that if it worked. 06:34:15 * oerjan submits a comment 06:34:15 isn't it irritating how bug 10000 was marked as a duplicate 06:34:28 https://phabricator.haskell.org/D2280 btw 06:34:33 Before I reported it no one was thinking of it as a security issue. 06:34:51 shachaf: shocking 06:36:17 `? shocking 06:36:21 shocking? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:36:49 hm what about Data? i don't know enough about that to know if that could be dangerous. oh well. 06:37:00 (they seem to have considered Generic.) 06:38:00 why does this wikipedia entry not have an english version twh https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7_(%D7%90%D7%99%D7%91%D7%A8) 06:39:10 thank god it has a norwegian one 06:40:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:41:09 did you know that the norwegian wikipedia doesn't support the en: prefix :( 06:41:35 What's the en: prefix? 06:42:04 it sends you to the english wikipedia 06:42:12 from the search box 06:42:35 Does anything support that? 06:43:00 Oh, English wikipedia support no: 06:43:02 supports 06:43:16 Today I have to be mildly self-conscious about mistyping anything. 06:43:20 Thanks to adu. 06:43:22 Thanks, adu. 06:43:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:43:51 oerjan: Wait, it works for me. 06:43:58 Hm... why do we use the metre-kilogram-second? I'd much prefer if we had some kilogram-equivalent unit that is a base unit 06:44:03 https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=en:No 06:44:53 Units are meant for people to use and only incidentally for physicists to execute. 06:45:10 shachaf: it doesn't work in the search box for me 06:45:32 oerjan: Hmm, it works in the search box for me. 06:46:01 sheesh 06:46:08 `? sheesh 06:46:10 sheesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:46:49 `? sheeesh 06:46:52 sheeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:46:52 shachaf: anyway, it looks like the english "leg" is ambiguous between meaning that or the whole leg 06:47:19 and the article for "human leg" connects to other wikipedia's latter meaning 06:47:29 *-' 06:47:33 er 06:47:34 *+' 06:47:55 oerjan: well, the hebrew word is "shok" hth 06:48:05 hppavilion[1]: hysterical raisins hth 06:49:21 What's the "Planck Value"? The minimum amount of moneyness? :P 06:49:36 and the norwegian is "legg". 06:49:42 What is moneyness? 06:49:46 Are you pricing derivatives? 06:49:51 Don't tell \oren\. 06:49:55 shachaf: Sure 06:50:04 shachaf: Can I tell /oren/ though? 06:50:19 Look. 06:50:28 * hppavilion[1] looks 06:50:29 Don't destroy the US economy. 06:50:35 Well... 06:50:56 shachaf: How would I destroy the US economy? 06:50:58 Maybe it should be destroyed. 06:51:04 shachaf: Too late. 06:51:07 With complicated derivatives, I hear. 06:51:19 Hodgell would probably be in favor of destroying it. 06:51:24 I'm setting the Planck Value at the price of one Planck Energy's worth of electricity. There. 06:51:51 shachaf: this time, use complex integrals hth 06:51:59 The Planck Minimum Wage is 1 Planck Value per Planck Time 06:52:21 hppavilion[1]: by marxism, value = work so it should be the planck energy hth 06:52:50 oerjan: DAMN YOU MARXIST SCUM 06:52:54 hi 06:53:00 It sounds like this planck value is priced by the market. 06:53:28 shachaf: Not really; we assume maximum efficiency with generation 06:53:53 shachaf: And that the market sells at the exact amount of value it takes to produce, which is obviously not correct, but lets pretend it is 06:53:59 *let's 06:54:09 > editDistance "marxist" "market" 06:54:13 coïncindence? 06:54:29 Looks like it's 3 06:54:39 Well, assuming deletions cost as much as replacements 06:54:52 If you want something to do, invent a derivative that lets me hedge and bet on future liquidity. 06:54:55 twh 06:55:02 shachaf: Planck Laziness? 06:55:36 I suppose planck laziness is... hm... 06:55:47 It's obviously about avoiding doing one planck energy's worth of work 06:56:02 You have to model liquidity nonlinearly. 06:56:11 But solidity can be modeled with a matrix. 06:56:29 shachaf: What's the Wooden Planck? 06:57:29 * hppavilion[1] puts on his anti-swatter helmet 06:57:44 If you want something to do, figure out how to set the tick size (minimum price increment) for a market. 06:58:04 It's a tricky question. You don't want it too fine or too coarse. 06:58:20 US equity markets use $0.01 as the tick size since ~2000. Before that I think they used $⅛? 06:58:22 shachaf: That's easy; just become a politician and get other politicians to vote to set it to the desired value 06:59:47 I mean, from the perspective of someone who wants a market that achieves the goals that society wants it to achieve, figure out how to decide on a tick size. 07:00:05 shachaf: That's also easy; consult your nearest mathematician 07:00:20 Why would mathematicians know? 07:00:34 shachaf: Because they can math very well 07:00:44 (BTW, there needs to be a Mathematician General in the US. Someone to put warnings on lottery tickets) 07:00:47 If all you're going to do is make jokes in #esoteric, at least make them good jokes. 07:00:59 shachaf: Too tired to be funny 07:01:12 It just hit 22:00 here 07:01:25 amateur 07:01:30 @time 07:01:34 Local time for oerjan is Mon May 30 08:01:30 2016 07:02:03 If you're too tired to be funny, it's a good cue to stop making jokes. 07:02:07 Or maybe not. 07:02:08 oerjan: Pfft. It doesn't measure down to the planck time, and it doesn't measure since the big bang. 07:02:10 shachaf: *fine* 07:02:14 Perhaps I'm just too much of a grouch. 07:03:41 It's a holiday in Alaska tomorrow. 07:03:45 You have no excuse anyway. 07:30:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:35:06 @messages 07:36:35 I think I'm too much of a grouch nowadays. 08:04:58 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:12:33 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:14:18 -!- olsner has joined. 08:15:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:17:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:25:03 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:26:49 -!- olsner has joined. 08:28:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:33:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Etc.). 08:44:10 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:03:01 why the heck do splash screens (for software starting up) use always on top windows? 09:19:19 bragging rights 09:20:43 CPU wasting 09:21:08 wasting CPU: It's the new optimization! 09:24:58 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Maximngy * New user account 09:31:51 -!- augur has joined. 09:36:15 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:47:25 Man, I hate wordpress. Its web interface makes it so difficult to list or find earlier blog entries. 09:47:31 Why's everyone using it? 09:54:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:55:43 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:57:08 b_jonas: because everyone's using it 09:58:55 I know that seems a tautology, but... 09:59:04 Everybody uses it because everybody uses it 10:10:43 [wiki] [[++brainfuck++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47085 * Maximngy * (+1447) ++brainfuck++ writed by me 10:11:09 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:11:21 gamemanj: no, I think it's more like that the rest of the people use google's blogger, which is almost as bad. it also doesn't let you list or find old posts. 10:11:57 eh. just write a Lua script to compile your blog into a static site. problem solved. 10:12:26 no compile problems, and Lua seems to be rather portable so you don't have to worry about GEM NOT FOUND 10:13:01 (why bother with external libraries) 10:16:35 gamemanj: I know there are good blog sites. I'm just complaining because most aren't, and as a reader, it's sometimes easier to just download the entire fucking blog and do a local search to find something. 10:16:59 And I don't mean full text search. I can't even list the titles of article titles through the web interface. 10:17:08 Neither wordpress nor blogger allows that. 10:17:15 gamemanj: did you ever use lua for not-so-small programs? 10:17:33 They're just showing the last few articles, and hides everything else quite well. 10:17:39 lifthrasiir: A few times. 10:17:50 lifthrasiir: I've found Lua patterns to be very useful for parsing... 10:18:39 I've done so, and the overall experience was quite painful 10:18:58 (for one data point: I've worked through 300K lines of Lua code at the daily job) 10:19:11 300K? Ok, that might be much 10:19:28 and overall quality of Lua libraries is close to abysmal 10:19:38 Hmm... depends which libraries... 10:19:48 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 10:19:56 io.popen's downright stupid "read or write, pick one!" 10:20:05 yeah. even basic libraries got that wrong 10:20:35 but then again that's not actually Lua's fault 10:20:55 popen's a wrapper around C stdlib popen which is equally broken 10:21:52 gamemanj: right. but unlike C you are forced to use another bindings for that purpose, and I think there are not always bindings for such mistakes 10:21:58 for covering such mistakes up, I meant 10:22:20 gamemanj: os.time was another catch for me 10:22:40 Lua 5.3 doesn't, but prior versions were not thread-safe 10:22:49 and it gave some confusing values from time to time 10:22:55 ...??? 10:22:59 * gamemanj gulps 10:23:05 gamemanj: localtime, not localtime_r. this explains all 10:23:12 (I've never had that myself but it's worrying 10:24:10 that kind of mistakes. it is fine to make mistakes, just give us a way of fix things *in place*! 10:24:46 I think even the most recent release of Lua 5.2 had this bug (and we had to use Lua 5.1 for, uh, some reason) 10:25:16 There's even more fun caused by Lua's obsession with the standard library, though.. 10:25:33 there is even no real compatibility between minor versions 10:25:36 no ability to list directories 10:25:48 huh, I've never encountered problems with compatibility myself, but ok 10:26:07 The standard library is full of holes, but so is C stdlib... 10:26:12 gamemanj: if you look at manuals for Lua 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3, the list of functions is very similar-looking and yet slightly different 10:26:19 [wiki] [[User:Maximngy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47086 * Maximngy * (+226) Created page with "Hi!!!

I'm programmer on Python, Small Basic, work in Arduino IDE (language based on C) and PHP DevelStudio

Thats esoteric languages wroted by me :

* [https://eso..." 10:26:20 that alone is a barrier for compatibility 10:26:38 you cannot safely run 5.1 code in 5.2 or 5.3 10:27:13 this is kind of ignorance that even PHP does not have 10:28:03 I might just be lucky, but I haven't run into those problems. 10:28:10 enough rants. Lua is in theory good for what it's good for, but in reality (even for supposed uses) I think it is worse. 10:29:06 Well, for embedding behavior at least it hasn't managed too badly - it doesn't have the massive weight of Python's standard libraries, for one... 10:29:11 (while I was working with 300K loc project in the daily job, I also worked in much smaller scale and the problem remained so...) 10:30:39 gamemanj: I see that is partly a fetishism; you can definitely have a reasonable set of features without dependency and platform hell, SQLite did that fine for example. 10:33:31 gamemanj: I once wondered to the point that the whole Lua fiasco^Wproject is for fueling projects to PUC-Rio :S 10:34:07 that should be partly true (not "fiasco" part though), as many initial libraries for Lua were developed from PUC-Rio 10:34:31 not to mention that the libraries were of questionable quality IMO 10:35:41 By "initial libraries", do you mean the standard library or modules? 10:35:52 gamemanj: nope---something like LuaSocket I meant. 10:36:04 -!- ybden has joined. 10:36:22 they have either questionable quality or questionable design choice, sometimes both 10:36:41 sometimes they do not work well together 10:37:31 for example, LuaSocket had made a questionable choice to implement socket timeout with select 10:37:50 that works, but quite different from what we normally expect 10:38:17 and that choice breaks down when LuaSocket is used with LuaSec (no proper timeout for TLS connection, what the fuck) 10:38:38 just read the docs on client:receive 10:38:44 they changed it and made it worse 10:39:53 gamemanj: it also returns a no-one-would-know third return! 10:40:19 exactly - in the case of, say, a gopher server automatically closing the connection after send 10:40:19 it is downright strange 10:40:25 you'd probably lose data if you weren't really careful 10:40:35 (I knew that since I once stepped over that brick, fuck) 10:40:56 aww, enough rants really 10:40:57 sorry 10:41:03 Well, I don't mind 10:41:16 If the rest of the channel minds then that's a problem 10:41:35 I'll agree with you LuaSocket looks nuts just by the definition of client:receive 10:42:18 `? phantom_hooover 10:42:26 Phantom_Hoover: when are you going to fix haskellwiki 10:42:37 It's the kind of thing that should probably be wrapped, so that it returns the data, and then the error on the next call 10:42:40 phantom_hooover? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 10:43:05 The difference is a race condition anyway... 10:48:25 gamemanj : (lifthrasiir here, moving to mobile) I was at least fortunate to be able to work on Lua type checker though, the entire team was REALLY frustrated over Lua 10:51:04 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:51:25 Yurume_: one quick search to figure out how such a dramatic nickname change could occur 10:51:34 huh, forgot the * * 10:51:38 around that last line 10:52:37 Yurume_: Noted. 10:56:03 gamemanj : I have some dozens of nicknames 10:56:53 That's a lot! 10:57:21 I keep to "gamemanj". Or if I'm trying to be sneaky, I append "-" and then the English name of a greek letter. 10:58:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:30:40 -!- boily has joined. 11:55:35 -!- jix has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:56:12 -!- jix has joined. 11:58:07 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 11:58:24 -!- jix has joined. 12:00:18 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 12:03:12 -!- jix has joined. 12:13:10 -!- Koen_ has joined. 12:18:01 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TWICE CHICKEN). 12:55:04 -!- zadock has joined. 13:02:25 -!- ocharles_ has changed nick to ocharles. 13:02:42 -!- ocharles has quit (Changing host). 13:02:42 -!- ocharles has joined. 13:05:36 -!- zadock has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:33:19 -!- augur has joined. 13:38:27 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:47:19 `wisdom 14:47:21 `random-card 14:47:27 `recipe 14:47:58 quadrilateral//Don't you mean "tetrapleur"? 14:47:58 Dark Offering \ 4BB \ Sorcery \ Destroy target nonblack creature. You gain 3 life. \ P2-U, S99-U 14:47:58 pineapple; \ water until lightly blended over and remove from pan. Add \ strands of butter, mixed well, adding the oil, oregano, beater over low \ heat, covered, for 15 minutes. \ Store in a bowl, add the sugar, carrots, and \ shortening. \ \ Recipe By : \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: EMPSPUTETS 14:48:19 `recipe 14:48:20 n \ its take it to feed been and all the vegetables. \ Add the ice apple beans, with, onion, and pepper. Pour in the \ 2 tablespoon of the whipped cream into the pan in lightly floured \ get and deep flour and including for 1 hour. Top with side of \ the sugar, chopped fresh chop more. \ \ Recipe By : Low-Bobbie Cooking \ \ MMMMM \ \ MM 14:48:27 wow, that was quick 14:48:29 what happened? 14:52:18 -!- spiette has joined. 15:02:34 It usually *is* quick after it's been pre-warmed. 15:04:08 It's kinda-sorta out of memory: http://sprunge.us/DYBA 15:07:10 Though I'm not so sure as to why. RSS'es of all processes sum up to 537148k only. 15:12:42 fizzie: ok 15:13:04 should I make a bot to continuously pre-warn him and keep everything cached in? 15:13:44 ``` tar c / | sha1sum 15:14:17 tar: Removing leading `/' from member names \ tar: /sys/fs/ext4/features/meta_bg_resize: File shrank by 4096 bytes; padding with zeros \ tar: /sys/fs/ext4/features/batched_discard: File shrank by 4096 bytes; padding with zeros \ tar: /sys/fs/ext4/features/lazy_itable_init: File shrank by 4096 bytes; padding with zeros \ tar: /sys/bus/cpu/uevent: Ca 15:14:48 poor HackEgo 15:15:45 ``` tar c / --warning=none | wc -c 15:15:54 fizzie: well the HackEgo VM is competing with other VMs on the same host... you won't see that inside the VM. 15:16:19 tar: Removing leading `/' from member names \ tar: /sys/bus/cpu/uevent: Cannot open: Permission denied \ tar: /sys/bus/cpu/drivers_probe: Cannot open: Permission denied \ tar: /sys/bus/clocksource/uevent: Cannot open: Permission denied \ tar: /sys/bus/clocksource/drivers_probe: Cannot open: Permission denied \ tar: /sys/bus/workqueue/uevent: Cannot 15:16:37 ``` du -s / 2>/dev/null 15:17:06 `` mount 15:17:18 No output. 15:17:18 but I said --warning=none! why does it still warn 15:17:20 none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /opt type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/) \ none on /lib64 type host 15:17:27 ``` tar c / 2>/dev/null | wc -c 15:17:30 b_jonas: those are errros 15:17:32 errors even 15:17:59 No output. 15:18:09 probably times out before it can read everything 15:18:17 ``` tar c . 2>/dev/null | wc -c && echo home 15:18:27 ``` tar c ~ 2>/dev/null | wc -c && echo really home 15:18:50 how is running it several times simultaneously supposed to help? 15:19:02 10240 \ really home 15:19:02 No output. 15:19:13 meh 15:19:20 HackEgo: stop contradicting me! 15:19:55 ``` tar c . 2>/dev/null | wc -c && pwd 15:20:24 `cat bin/` 15:20:33 No output. 15:20:33 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 15:24:15 Could you possibly maybe not do that? 15:24:31 -!- augur has joined. 15:24:49 fizzie: sorry, I'll stop now 15:45:51 `random-card creature(?s:.*)suspend 1 15:45:53 Rift Bolt \ 2R \ Sorcery \ Rift Bolt deals 3 damage to target creature or player. \ Suspend 1--{R} (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay {R} and exile it with a time counter on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.) \ TSP-C, MMA-C 15:46:03 uh 15:46:07 `random-card ^creature(?s:.*)suspend 1 15:46:08 Greater Gargadon \ 9R \ Creature -- Beast \ 9/7 \ Suspend 10--{R} \ Sacrifice an artifact, creature, or land: Remove a time counter from Greater Gargadon. Activate this ability only if Greater Gargadon is suspended. \ TSP-R, MMA-R 15:46:33 `random-card ^creature(?s:.*)suspend 1\b 15:46:34 Nantuko Shaman \ 2G \ Creature -- Insect Shaman \ 3/2 \ When Nantuko Shaman enters the battlefield, if you control no tapped lands, draw a card. \ Suspend 1--{2}{G}{G} (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay {2}{G}{G} and exile it with a time counter on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is rem 15:48:18 -!- idris-bot has joined. 15:57:26 slightly tricky card 15:58:13 (the shaman) 16:04:09 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 16:07:33 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:08:17 -!- heroux has joined. 16:15:52 -!- xkapastel has joined. 16:17:39 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:00:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:01:51 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 17:15:45 Isans thinr by royiof, the hawentem, will things, go rornase than shall you re sinlesh as urony. What I Mistrur, than wome mordy their'fn jome I bierion I topenduo'maves dafe Deathele to goort sensect. 17:16:02 I guess English vocabulary is kind of a big thing to learn. 17:16:51 It did successfully include a bunch of common words: by the will things go than shall you as what I than their I to 17:21:40 Most of its attempts at putting in rare words have resulted in words that are plausible but wrong. Presumably, as the training continues, it will start to be able to produce real words. 17:26:20 http://iplayif.com/?story=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifarchive.org%2Fif-archive%2Fgames%2Fzcode%2Fgostak.z5 17:27:35 is that a very elaborate riddle? 17:28:19 it doesn't even recognise any of the dapes I type in 17:28:33 For a jallon, louk JALLON. 17:31:47 It will doatch at you about some heamy dapes. 17:49:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:00:51 At least, if you tunk the "heamy dapes" fesh. 18:15:02 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:15:51 I'm trying to figure out how to make it so my shamtag rasks the pogrifon again. 18:17:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:21:48 http://xkcd.com/1665/ might be my favorite xkcd to date. 18:21:58 http://xkcd.com/1128/ is just disturbing 18:23:43 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:25:50 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:27:01 hppavilion[1]: nah, 1665 is totally unrealistic, no talk page has headings summarizing the content so cleanly. 18:27:20 b_jonas: Yes, but it's funny 18:27:27 the content might be what's listed there, but you won't be able to find any of that from the toc 18:27:31 Except for those fake decoy talk pages that people make to make something seem well-discussed. 18:30:00 gamemanj: ...That's a thing? 18:30:07 Not that I know of 18:30:12 someone get the socks! 18:30:47 Actually, better, someone get a neural net to do it for us 18:36:30 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:36:58 "Fire alarm cause & effect testing in progress -- sounders & life safety system will be tested persistently". 18:40:47 All right... I'm gonna need to make a spreadsheet that glosses all these words. 18:41:37 tswett: just put the explanations right into the wisdoms 18:41:48 `? shamtag 18:41:50 `? rask 18:41:50 That's an interesting idea. 18:41:55 `? pogrifon 18:41:59 `? heamy 18:42:15 rask? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:42:15 pogrifon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:42:15 shamtag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:42:15 heamy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:43:13 `learn A shamtag is something that you durch in order to make it flome. 18:43:18 Learned 'shamtag': A shamtag is something that you durch in order to make it flome. 18:43:39 `? mimsy 18:43:40 mimsy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:43:45 `? brillig 18:43:46 brillig? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:43:57 `learn A pogrifon is stim for a gostak's shamtag. 18:44:01 Learned 'pogrifon': A pogrifon is stim for a gostak's shamtag. 18:44:16 `learn The gostak distims the doshes. 18:44:20 Learned 'gostak': The gostak distims the doshes. 18:44:45 `learn The doshes are what the gostak distims. 18:44:48 Learned 'doshe': The doshes are what the gostak distims. 18:44:57 `mv wisdom/doshe wisdom/dosh 18:44:58 mv: missing destination file operand after `wisdom/doshe wisdom/dosh' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 18:45:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:45:07 `run mv wisdom/doshe wisdom/dosh 18:45:10 No output. 18:45:14 `? dosh 18:45:15 The doshes are what the gostak distims. 18:45:24 `run ln -s dosh wisdom/doshes 18:45:26 No output. 18:47:03 -!- augur has joined. 18:52:33 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:56:50 `? Don Giovanni 18:56:52 Don Giovanni? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:57:17 `? ward 18:57:19 ward? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:57:34 `words 20 18:57:49 immen ndena taba thrift csdini decresslin pare ulp vocer craffecterrar clural gai hmf gree proflt rie stat mecora sch itr 18:58:00 `words --american 20 18:58:01 Unknown option: american 19:07:16 -!- Koen_ has joined. 19:07:17 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:08:39 `words --eng-us 90 19:08:44 ceratlond eusonfolke rab harian uni stari appp keparaded ofsne profen cesser westict sobenepa loake kamorp comountamaz treretermn gilliously impigal hydrania spact kosckscal kriihip forsat conre 19:08:45 `words --canadian-english-insane 90 19:08:47 `words -l 19:08:48 saeidlade uncarbonalitatine ikawate julidegri sauthed unedly costalched unency bent pine halah coke wiredicologic lavarizati smayde bowl namilao hup jifframen oosemioma ola smooric tromersher kooltman weeding 19:08:48 valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M 19:09:47 "jifframen" -- hmm, is that a food? 19:09:51 -!- Koen_ has joined. 19:16:22 -!- Vorpal has joined. 19:23:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:28:29 Ah, Shadowfacts; the most noble of knights 19:28:47 (http://xkcd.com/1272/) 19:30:02 ...a second. 19:30:11 ...yep. 19:30:18 /whois shadowfacts 19:31:16 Hm. 19:31:38 gamemanj: The joke is that shadowfacts is a horse, but the correct term is "knight" 19:31:49 It's a nerdy chess joke goddammit 19:38:01 `? blank 19:38:03 blank? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:41:59 `le/rn blank/ 19:42:03 Learned «blank» 19:42:07 `? blank 19:42:08 No output. 19:42:12 b_jonas: There 19:52:14 http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/030128.html (doesn't translate very well...) 19:52:59 something like "you better move away from there or the hors will attack you" 19:53:02 horse. 19:58:58 hppavilion[1], that's a bad joke hth 20:04:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:15:43 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 20:20:42 As a rough guideline, if you have to explain it it's not a joke. 20:21:22 `quote 20:21:23 `quote 20:21:23 `quote 20:21:24 `quote 20:21:25 `quote 20:22:18 50) hmm, this is hard 20:22:18 No output. 20:22:18 1192) dude's made a career out of building electronic things out of slime molds. i respect that 20:22:19 583) where is this going. why is this going. 20:22:19 926) not only there is no God, but try to find an APL keyboard on Sunday. 20:23:02 wtf @ apl keyboard 20:23:46 APL is a weird language 20:23:52 it uses a lot of special symbols 20:24:27 Definitely the second one. 20:28:54 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 20:29:56 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:30:47 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:08:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:08:54 i know that 21:09:12 wow 21:09:20 `random-card 21:09:23 Vitaspore Thallid \ 1G \ Creature -- Fungus \ 1/1 \ At the beginning of your upkeep, put a spore counter on Vitaspore Thallid. \ Remove three spore counters from Vitaspore Thallid: Put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token onto the battlefield. \ Sacrifice a Saproling: Target creature gains haste until end of turn. \ PLC-C 21:09:47 `random-card ^U\nInstant 21:09:48 Cerulean Wisps \ U \ Instant \ Target creature becomes blue until end of turn. Untap that creature. \ Draw a card. \ SHM-C 21:09:50 `random-card ^U\nInstant 21:09:52 Cerulean Wisps \ U \ Instant \ Target creature becomes blue until end of turn. Untap that creature. \ Draw a card. \ SHM-C 21:11:38 is that pokemon? 21:11:45 * Koen_ whistles 21:11:50 heh 21:11:55 Koen_: no, it's Magic: the Gathering 21:12:08 `random-card ^U\nInstant 21:12:09 Abjure \ U \ Instant \ As an additional cost to cast Abjure, sacrifice a blue permanent. \ Counter target spell. \ WL-C 21:12:12 `random-card ^U\nInstant 21:12:14 Abjure \ U \ Instant \ As an additional cost to cast Abjure, sacrifice a blue permanent. \ Counter target spell. \ WL-C 21:12:17 hey! 21:12:21 why do you repeat the result? 21:12:37 there's way more instants costing {U} than that 21:12:39 `random-card ^U\nInstant 21:12:41 Enchantment Alteration \ U \ Instant \ Attach target Aura attached to a creature or land to another permanent of that type. \ LE-C, CH-U, US-U 21:12:43 `random-card ^U\nInstant 21:12:44 Nix \ U \ Instant \ Counter target spell if no mana was spent to cast it. \ FUT-R 21:12:53 maybe the random number generator is actually a deterministic function of the time 21:14:44 `card-by-name intervene 21:14:47 Intervene \ U \ Instant \ Counter target spell that targets a creature. \ UL-C 21:14:49 `card-by-name confound 21:14:50 Confound \ 1U \ Instant \ Counter target spell that targets one or more creatures. \ Draw a card. \ PS-C 21:15:19 -!- Kaynato has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:20:32 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:21:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:38:40 -!- fractal has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:39:22 -!- xkapastel has joined. 21:43:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:43:18 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 21:44:14 -!- Akaibu has joined. 21:49:57 -!- fractal has joined. 21:50:49 -!- Reece` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:52:30 This gostak game is confusing. 22:02:18 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:08:59 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:09:03 -!- ^^v has joined. 22:10:43 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:25:23 -!- shovel_boss has joined. 22:25:42 -!- augur has joined. 22:28:42 tswett: I prefer the Russel game, where you win by losing. 22:29:50 is this channel bluff 22:29:58 shovel_boss: bluff? 22:30:13 an attempt to deceive someone into believing that one can or will do something. 22:30:21 in this case an attempt to be something 22:30:24 that it isnt 22:30:32 shovel_boss: ...no? 22:30:47 shovel_boss: Are you a native english speaker? Because that sentence doesn't grammar. 22:31:10 is something noun 22:31:16 whats the problem with that 22:31:25 shovel_boss: Well, there should be an "a" in there 22:31:43 is a seems to be what you were looking for 22:32:02 bluff is always in plural 22:32:03 -!- ^^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:32:04 like sugar 22:32:10 is this channel a sugar? 22:32:13 what 22:32:19 shovel_boss: Oh. 22:32:29 is this a channel sugar? 22:33:02 shovel_boss: In that case, it would be "is this channel sugar" or "is this channel made of sugar" or something like that 22:33:32 if you dont understand me i dont see how you can understand the esoteric 22:33:37 shovel_boss: But this channel is not the same as (as in, this channel is bluff and bluff is this channel) or made of "bluff", so it is "a bluff" 22:33:46 shovel_boss: We use english to communicate the esoteric 22:34:07 no that is bs 22:34:10 shovel_boss: Because to explore the esoteric, one must start with something simple and non-esoteric 22:34:13 -!- ^^v has joined. 22:34:16 you cant switch object and subject like that 22:34:30 is hppavilion bluff? 22:34:36 Koen_: I am not bluff 22:34:53 so why cant this channel be bluff 22:34:55 it was worth asking 22:35:05 and did you mean to say youre not a bluff 22:35:17 shovel_boss: No, I was being ironic 22:35:20 I guess 22:35:23 shovel_boss: I'm not sure; it's one of those weird little parts of english we don't understand, but that's always there 22:35:41 "bluff" is what something... hm... 22:35:47 shovel_boss: this channel is no bluff though 22:35:48 OK, now I'm thinking 22:35:50 @bf 64+"!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@ 22:35:50 Done. 22:35:57 okay maybe that was a bluff 22:36:08 @ befunge 64+"!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@ 22:36:17 shovel_boss: I think it's because "bluff" is primarily a verb, maybe? 22:36:18 @befunge 64+"!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@ 22:36:18 Unknown command, try @list 22:36:27 @list 22:36:27 What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. 22:36:33 argg 22:37:25 shovel_boss: I think the best way to explain it is... "bluff" is... a description; it isn't a type. It can't be bluff, but can be a bluff, for the same reason a dog can't be barker, but can be a barker? If we allow "barker" to be a real word describing "something that barks"? 22:37:27 I guess? 22:37:46 shovel_boss: waaaaaaait are you nerdsniping? 22:38:11 I'm pretty sure you sniped yourself hppavilion[1] 22:38:31 Koen_: Unless shovel_boss said that just to get me to, in which case he sniped me 22:39:05 then he is a visionnaire 22:39:24 no this channel is not bluff 22:39:36 its complete bollocks 22:41:03 -!- ^^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:46:10 can someone explain what this channel is about 22:46:30 -!- ^^v has joined. 22:46:40 enlightenment?the topic does a poor job doing that 22:46:43 -!- ^^v has quit (Client Quit). 22:46:51 the pdf looks like its written by a schizo 22:47:21 or a notorious troll 22:47:35 it's the channel's collected *cough*wisdom 22:48:02 `? #esoteric 22:48:04 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. 22:48:21 shovel_boss: We're all about esolangs 22:48:51 that's right. don't let yourself be misled by the actual discussions. 22:49:01 so do you create the esoteric? 22:49:04 Did you just join this channel to be a jerk or something? 22:49:36 shachaf: Yes, esoteric programming languages 22:51:22 `? jerk 22:51:25 jerk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:51:35 fungot: what do you know about jerks? 22:51:36 int-e: the phrase " broadly regarded as illegal" seems to be called gulf saint vincent as well, i think 22:52:09 `? flag 22:52:11 flag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:52:24 `? keith 22:52:26 keith? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:52:47 fungot, do you know keith bird of sixth breeze 22:52:47 b_jonas: soft money loophole, by maverick reformer? thoughts? 22:53:24 fungot: why so demanding? 22:53:25 int-e: a) i noticed that in the us navy and marine corps use the term " black ice" is also wrong in the background is completely unfit for this article 22:53:37 ^style 22:53:38 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube 22:53:45 ^style wp 22:53:45 Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) 22:53:50 fungot, is that made with seadust? 22:53:50 b_jonas: this article talk page was automatically added with tlwikiproject food and drink. 22:53:51 oh, that's why. 22:55:35 is there a channel for the old esoteric, literature? 22:55:55 the real esoteric, not some made up arbitrary concepts 22:57:20 There's a welcome message that talks about where you can talk about that. 22:57:31 fungot, is this channel a sugar? or more like fat? 22:57:32 b_jonas: i'm coming up with some documentation of this before i fnord change anything. sweet potatoes were still indigenous to the andes of south america. either way, it is not for teenage pop-culture atheism with a fnord ( fnord) 22:57:32 But I'm not particularly welcoming right now. 22:58:25 Besides the welcome message, I think there's a channel topic, a chanserv channel join notice, and a wiki. 22:59:33 what are you talking about 22:59:37 can you remind me 22:59:49 better refering to 23:00:15 fungot, do you often suppress your emotions? 23:00:15 b_jonas: i've just added a link to the article are missing from the article. fnord 02:50, 12 march 2006 ( utc) 23:00:41 `welcome shovel_boss 23:00:46 shovel_boss: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 23:01:19 thank you 23:03:24 `topic 23:03:26 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: topic: not found 23:03:29 `? topic 23:03:30 topic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:03:47 `? entrymsg 23:03:50 entrymsg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:04:03 @tell boily The wisdom entry for "cello" has slashes that should be replaced with italicization 23:04:03 Consider it noted. 23:04:25 `learn ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: 23:04:30 Learned 'entrymsg': ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: 23:04:41 `? cello 23:04:44 ​The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/. 23:06:46 `? ᛁᚿ 23:06:47 ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg 23:08:03 `? zygohistomorphic prepromorphism 23:08:05 A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. 23:09:54 -!- Kaynato has joined. 23:12:05 `? beech 23:12:06 beech? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:13:12 `unidecode ᛦ 23:13:14 ​[U+16E6 RUNIC LETTER LONG-BRANCH-YR] 23:13:46 ah, surfing on the beech... 23:14:08 `? pun 23:14:09 Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. 23:14:20 `? pug 23:14:21 pug? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:17:20 . o O ( Pugs are a breed of dogs that are overrepresented in the Sheldon webcomic. ) 23:17:55 `` xxd wisdom/pun 23:17:56 00000000000000: 5075 6e73 2061 7265 2066 756e 2e20 4173 Puns are fun. As \ 00000010: 6b20 7368 6163 680f 6166 2061 626f 7574 k shach.af about \ 00000020: 2074 6865 6d2e 2042 7574 2062 6577 6172 them. But bewar \ 0000030: 6520 6f66 204d 7570 6872 7920 6164 6469 e of Muphry addi \ 0000040: 6e67 206d 6973 7370 656c 6c69 6e67 732e ng misspellings 23:25:24 -!- spiette has quit (Quit: :qa!). 23:44:21 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 23:46:45 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:47:00 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 23:58:05 -!- oerjan has joined. 2016-05-31: 00:15:46 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 00:23:40 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: goto sleep;). 00:31:23 Hm... 00:31:36 Is there a wikipedia-like site for "what should have been"? 00:49:31 what 01:01:27 hppavilion[1]: conservapedia hth 01:02:05 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Eric * New user account 01:11:19 [wiki] [[Esolang:General disclaimer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47087&oldid=13314 * Eric * (+43) 01:14:46 [wiki] [[Esolang:General disclaimer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47088&oldid=47087 * Eric * (+60) 01:22:13 [wiki] [[Esolang:General disclaimer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47089&oldid=47088 * Eric * (+71) 01:24:36 `? color 01:24:50 oerjan: But what's nservapedia then? 01:24:58 ​Color is a phenomenon from outer space designed to drive humanity insane and bring forth the new age of Cthulhu. 01:25:56 that's a wiki of a different lor. 01:27:27 `? colour 01:27:33 ​Colour is a phenomenon from outer space designed to drive humanity insane and bring forth the new age of Cthulhu. 01:28:10 Hm... 01:28:33 I want to change the entry so every word has a 'u' one letter before the end, but I don't know how to do that without fucking up the fanciousity 01:28:55 sed seems like the way to do it, but I can't think of the proper way 01:29:38 i shall leave the advicing on this to shachaf. 01:29:46 *s 01:35:12 -!- variable has joined. 01:46:00 `? The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb 01:46:12 The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:46:26 `` echo wisdom/*Taneb* 01:46:33 wisdom/*Taneb* 01:46:40 Um... 01:46:46 `` ls wisdom/*Taneb* 01:46:48 ls: cannot access wisdom/*Taneb*: No such file or directory 01:46:52 No... 01:47:04 Hm... 01:47:08 I can't remember how to do it 01:47:23 Wait, no, that means that there isn't a file like that 01:47:30 So I did it right, but I read the response wrong 01:47:36 `` echo wisdom/*taneb* 01:47:39 wisdom/fundamental theorem of taneb wisdom/people who taneb is not wisdom/taneb wisdom/tanebvention wisdom/tanebventory 01:47:54 `? fundamental theorem of taneb 01:48:00 The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb states that for all strings S, if S describes a thing, then it is provable that Taneb invented the thing described by S; and, furthermore, that it is provable that there exists a string T that describes a thing that Taneb did not invent. 01:48:07 ... 01:48:13 oerjan: OK, that sounds inconsistent to me 01:49:14 forall x: invented(Taneb, x) && exists x: ~invented(Taneb, x) seems to be impossible (where the domain of x is "things") 01:51:00 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:51:26 hppavilion[1]: no, that's an example of "omega-inconsistency" 01:51:28 `` sed -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/u\1/g' wisdom/colour 01:51:30 ​Colouur ius ua phenomenoun froum outeur spacue designeud tuo drivue humanituy insanue anud brinug fortuh thue neuw ague ouf Cthu 01:51:32 Doesn't fit. 01:51:52 where you can prove something exists but also that every possible example isn't it 01:51:56 fizzie: Oooh, "thue" 01:52:15 oerjan: ...that makes no sense. 01:52:19 oerjan: Why is that a thing? 01:52:23 Oh shit, it's a Godel, isn't it? 01:52:41 There's a lot of redundant (in the sense of being immediately followed by another) color codes in the entry. 01:52:52 hppavilion[1]: because a proof has to be finite, so you cannot collect all the counterexamples into a proof no example exists 01:53:19 fizzie: If you require that the word be at least 4 letters long, it'll fit 01:53:36 oerjan: Ah, yes 01:53:52 hppavilion[1]: not quite, although interestingly, Godel's original incompleteness proof had a weakness related to that 01:53:55 oerjan: Also, "BDSM" describes a thing that exists. Taneb 01:53:57 Whoops 01:53:59 `? Taneb 01:54:04 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) 01:54:11 `? tanebventions 01:54:15 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 01:54:20 hppavilion[1]: yes, it's inconsistent with other facts 01:54:23 BDSM is related to sex. 01:54:31 Therefor, Taneb didn't invent BDSM 01:54:43 Therefor, the Fundamental Theorem of Taneb is false. 01:55:11 Did Taneb invent inventing things? 01:55:53 `` sed -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\)\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/\1u\5/g' wisdom/colour 01:55:55 ​Colouur is a phenomenoun froum outeur spacue designeud to drivue humanituy insanue and brinug fortuh the new age of Cthul 01:56:28 Still no go. 01:56:35 `? Gray 01:56:37 Gray is e common misspalling of grey. 01:56:40 `? Grey 01:56:41 Grey? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:57:29 `le/rn Grey is a common misspelling of Gey 01:57:30 I guess 01:57:30 No output. 01:57:49 `` sed -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\)\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/\1u\5/g' -e 's/louur/lour/' -e 's/\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)/\2/g' wisdom/colour 01:57:51 ​Colour is a phenomenoun froum outeur spacue designeud to drivue humanituy insanue and brinug fortuh the new age of Cthulhu. 01:57:56 fizzie: There we go 01:57:59 De-redundanting it works, though. 01:58:07 `` sed -i -e 's/\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*[a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\)\([a-z]\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)* \)/\1u\5/g' -e 's/louur/lour/' -e 's/\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)/\2/g' wisdom/colour 01:58:08 fizzie: just strip the colors and add them back with rainbow afterwards? 01:58:12 `? deredundantation 01:58:13 No output. 01:58:17 deredundantation? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:58:18 oerjan: But then I'd be *changing* them. 01:58:23 shocking 01:58:50 Wait, shit 01:59:00 `le/rn Grey/Grey is a common misspelling of Gey 01:59:04 Learned «grey» 01:59:05 `` sed -i -e 's/\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)*\(\x03[0-9][0-9]\)/\2/g' wisdom/color # let's OPTOMIZE this as well 01:59:08 No output. 01:59:28 `learn Dereduntantation is the process of making things less redundant. It is typically done with either regexes or regular expressions. 01:59:32 Learned 'dereduntantation': Dereduntantation is the process of making things less redundant. It is typically done with either regexes or regular expressions. 01:59:41 hppavilion[1]: have you even read the Gray entry properly, i'm skeptical 01:59:51 oerjan: I have. 02:00:02 oerjan: It uses an e instead of every a 02:00:17 good, good 02:00:18 Wait, it swaps them 02:00:23 Every e is an a, every a is an e 02:00:47 oerjan: The joke for Grey is that it's a chain of misspelling; like when you click google's "Do you mean" and it has another "Do you mean" in it 02:01:17 `le/rn Gey/I know nothing about Gey, sir. 02:01:21 Learned «gey» 02:01:30 `? marriage 02:01:31 marriage? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:02:53 When did most European companies give in and legalize Gay marriage? 02:03:10 very few companies have done that. 02:03:15 Shit 02:03:17 Countries 02:03:43 `learn Marriage was made legal in the United States on 2015-06-26 02:03:46 Learned 'marriage': Marriage was made legal in the United States on 2015-06-26 02:03:49 Finland did it very recently -- in fact, I don't think the laws are quite in yet. 02:04:02 i'm not sure there was a particular time, they just started trickling in around 2000? 02:04:03 wait 02:04:11 are you implying marriage wasn't legal in the us? 02:04:35 Koen_: The joke is that gay marriage wasn't legal 02:04:43 "Same-sex marriage will become legal in Finland on 1 March 2017. A bill for legalization was approved by the parliament on 12 December 2014 and signed by the President on 20 February 2015. In order to implement the law, follow-up changes in other acts were required. The legislative measure to make most of these changes was approved by the parliament on 17 February 2016 and signed by President ... 02:04:45 oh 02:04:45 Koen_: But now that it is, there isn't a difference 02:04:49 ... on 8 April 2016." 02:04:52 Lots of dates. 02:04:52 I'm gonna go to bed 02:05:06 fizzie: has finland had a partnership law for years first, like norway did? 02:05:55 marriage is actually a very interesting topic, it's sad that so many people have too strong opinions to care discussing it 02:05:55 oerjan: Yes, though it wasn't *quite* equal to marriage when it came to some things like adoption. Pretty close, though. 02:05:56 -!- boily has joined. 02:06:11 And "for years" is a bit debatable, it's only been since 2002. 02:06:11 I mean, not marriage itself, but the involvement of the state in marriage 02:06:19 bonsœrjan. 02:06:20 xhoily! 02:06:25 @massages-loud 02:06:25 hppavilion[1] said 3h 2m 21s ago: The wisdom entry for "cello" has slashes that should be replaced with italicization 02:06:57 hppavellon[1]. good call! did I add you to the cocoonspirators? 02:07:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:08:07 boily: No? 02:08:07 fizzie: neither was the norwegian one. 02:09:30 hppavilion[1]: the you should become one! for the low low price of your github account name! 02:09:49 boily: No. 02:09:59 boily: I'm not falling into your tarp 02:10:19 Why do you have a tarp for people to fall into anyway. 02:10:52 I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Finland#/media/File:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg implies that same-sex marriages become unregistered if you get on a boat on a lake. 02:11:32 so do you have to take your ring off everytime you board a boat on a lake? 02:11:54 And the question's entirely undefined if it's a sea. 02:11:55 fizzie: What if you swim? 02:11:58 sounds prone to accidents. 02:13:19 hppavilion[1]: tarp? nah, I ain't got no tarp, eh? 02:13:54 fizzie: Yeah; the sea doesn't even exist on the map 02:14:25 fizzie: Wait, have you checked for alpha filters? Maybe the ocean does it secretly, so it's invisible 02:18:56 I forgot who plays magic besides zzo38 in this here chännel... 02:24:02 `culprits wisdom/dosh 02:24:08 I like reading Fox News because it reminds me how much stupider I could be and makes me happy for not being so. 02:24:16 tswett 02:24:23 `? dosh 02:24:25 The doshes are what the gostak distims. 02:24:46 hppavilion[1]: his neural nets are leaking into the wisdom 02:25:54 oerjan: I fear it was pretswetty hth → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gostak 02:32:11 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 02:40:40 boily: frumious! 02:46:24 'night all! 02:46:31 -!- boily has quit (Quit: BANDERSNATCH CHICKEN). 02:47:45 `quote obscure 02:47:56 790) the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september \ 1245) (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing) 02:51:16 Are there any solutions to a^n + b^p = c^q, where {a, b, c} = {2, 3, 5} and n, p, and q are integers greater than 1? 02:52:33 There are, of course, a few solutions where n, p, and q are nonnegative integers... 02:54:12 1 + 2 = 3, 1 + 3 = 4, 1 + 4 = 5, 2 + 3 = 5, 3 + 5 = 8, 9 + 16 = 25... wait, there's the answer. 02:54:33 Next question. How many solutions are there where n, p, and q are nonnegative integers? 02:55:17 The other two solutions that immediately come to mind are 2 + 25 = 27 and 3 + 125 = 128. 02:55:21 Oh, and 1 + 1 = 2. 02:55:50 Whoops, 5 + 27 = 32. 02:59:53 I thought n was supposed to be greater than 1 03:00:09 There should be no more solutions with c^q less than or equal to 256. 03:00:12 Cale: I changed my mind. 03:00:15 oh, I see 03:00:23 9 + 16 = 25 answers the original question positively. 03:00:28 3^2 + 2^4 = 5^2. 03:02:32 5^0 + 2^3 = 3^2 03:02:49 Yup, I missed that one. 03:04:03 That's the only one which is quite like that. 8 and 9 are the only consecutive integers which are perfect powers. 03:04:28 Perfect powers of any kind, not just perfect prime powers? 03:04:41 of any kind 03:04:51 Are there only finitely many pairs of perfect powers which are 2 apart? 03:06:14 No idea 03:06:20 Aha, looks like yes: https://oeis.org/A076427 03:06:45 Apparently that's known to be the case for all values of 2 up to at least 100. 03:07:18 Wait, this list is not very meaningful 03:07:26 http://www.sspectra.com/Pillai.txt -- it comes from here 03:07:37 "Perfect powers examined up to 10^18" 03:08:08 Whoops. 03:08:13 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite!). 03:08:15 I know that it's an open question whether 6 is the difference of two perfect powers. 03:08:56 https://oeis.org/A074981 03:08:58 heh 03:09:49 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan's_conjecture#Pillai.27s_conjecture - Pillai's conjecture states that for all n, there are only finitely many perfect powers that are n apart. It follows from the ABC conjecture. 03:10:41 So we only have to understand inter-universal Teichmüller theory, and we'll have it ;) 03:10:43 tswett: ...huh 03:11:23 Taneb has a fundamental theorem named after him, but does he have a conjecture? 03:11:25 I was asking in another channel the other day: Is there some direct topological interpretation of big-O notation? 03:11:31 Now for some reason I wonder: which 5-smooth numbers are non-trivially the sum of two other 5-smooth numbers, where "non-trivially" means that the three numbers must not all have a prime factor in common? 03:11:49 shachaf: what sort of topological interpretation do you mean? 03:11:51 shachaf: Topological? Not as far as I'm aware 03:12:05 You can define it as exists K >= 0. lim_{n -> ∞}{f(n)/g(n)} = K or something like that. 03:12:36 hppavilion[1]'s first conjecture: No one has yet bothered to prove hppavilion[1]'s first conjecture 03:12:48 Cale: Well, there's a nice concrete way of talking about the limit of a sequence, for instance, where you extend that sequence to the extended naturals and ask for f(∞). 03:13:05 Maybe that's not an "interpretation". 03:13:08 s/bothered/managed/ 03:13:18 hppavilion[1]: I can prove that conjecture. 03:13:23 tswett: No you can't 03:13:26 lim sup 03:13:51 mother sup 03:13:58 tswett: By proving it, you disprove it, thus meaning you have not proven it, so it holds 03:14:04 If anyone had ever managed to prove the conjecture before you stated it, that would mean that the conjecture is false, and so they could not have proved it. Contradiction. 03:14:18 Cale: Why lim sup, when you're talking about n -> ∞? 03:14:31 tswett: NON-INTUITIONISTIC HEATHEN 03:14:32 shachaf: the limit could diverge by oscillating. 03:14:32 The limit may not exist, but the lim sup will 03:15:10 Oh, I guess not. 03:15:21 That makes me want a direct answer even more. 03:15:36 shachaf: now, big-O notation is a partial order, right? So it has... I was about to say it has an order topology, but I don't know if partial orders get those. 03:16:37 You can make a topological space out of any preorder, but I don't think that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. 03:16:57 Well, we've just used division 03:17:15 i,i * boily has quit [Quit: NON-INTUITIONISTIC CHICKEN] 03:17:46 shachaf: what topological space construction are you thinking of? 03:17:47 `? i,i 03:17:55 It's also not going to be invariant under homeomorphisms 03:17:57 i,i? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:18:41 `learn i,i i,i what is i,i 03:18:45 Learned 'i,i': i,i i,i what is i,i 03:18:45 e.g. 03:19:11 tswett: I don't know, that's why I'm asking. 03:19:28 shachaf: I mean, when you say "you can make a topological space out of any preorder", what are you talking about? 03:19:50 It's just nice how you can concretely say "extend f : N -> X to a continuous f' : N* -> X, and then look at f'(∞)" 03:19:55 Oh, the what's it called. 03:19:59 f(x) = x^3 + x is an automorphism of R, but composing functions with that will change their asymptotic behaviour 03:19:59 Alexandrov space. 03:20:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrov_topology#The_Alexandrov_topology_on_a_preordered_set 03:21:31 Ah, perhaps replacing the topology, okay 03:21:35 hmm 03:21:42 ? 03:22:05 That last thing was answering tswett's question. 03:23:31 Looking at it as a partial order, how about the topology generated by {x : x < a} and {x : x > a}? 03:26:07 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 03:27:21 So maybe the question is something like: Is there a way to associate to functions f: N -> N some topological spaces X_f such that there is a continuous map X_f -> X_g iff f is O(g)? 03:27:55 (or perhaps swap them) 03:28:03 Sure, something like that would probably be an answer. 03:28:18 Or some characterization of ʘ(f) 03:28:23 Θ(f) 03:28:39 That was U+0298 instead of U+0398. 03:28:56 But they look similar to each other. 03:40:45 Do you need any extra structure define lim sup for arbitrary topological spaces? 03:41:18 Yeah. An automorphism of R has a topological space switches lim sup and lim inf. 03:41:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:41:22 `unidecode ʘ 03:41:24 ​[U+0298 LATIN LETTER BILABIAL CLICK] 03:41:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:47:59 -!- sebbu has joined. 03:51:08 For all those bilabial clicks you need to make while pronouncing Latin. 03:52:11 Cale: Can you figure out what ꙮ notation would mean? 03:52:32 There's a SIGBOVIK paper in it, I'm sure. 03:53:08 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O 03:53:23 Yes. 03:53:37 Multiocular O notation. 03:53:39 ꙮ(f) 03:53:43 oh, lol 03:54:04 `quote ꙮ 03:54:07 1136) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." 03:54:25 I don't understand how this letter from a fictional work gets into Unicode, but Klingon doesn't. 03:54:56 ahahaha 03:56:04 -!- variable has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 03:56:19 We should make a proposal to include the Klingon alphabet as "additional Cyrillic characters" 03:56:53 You might be able to sneak it in under CJK. 03:56:55 Cyrillic Klingon of course 03:56:57 Chinese Japanese Klingon 03:57:34 > generalCategory 'ꙮ' 03:57:36 OtherLetter 03:57:43 The only weakness of that limerick. 04:05:53 `? ꙮ 04:05:59 ​ꙮ is the official Unicode character of #esoteric. 04:06:01 `unidecode ꙮ 04:06:04 ​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] 04:06:56 shachaf: What's the weakness? 04:07:07 Oh, I see 04:10:44 Let V and W be Banach spaces, and g: V -> W, then ꙮ(g) is the set of functions f: V -> W such that for any u in V, we have that the function r |--> f(r*u) is O(r |--> g(r*u)), i.e. in each direction f is asymptotically bounded by g. 04:11:25 (but the bound seen by each of the many eyes may differ) 04:12:04 shachaf: ^^ hth 04:15:22 [wiki] [[User:Eric]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47090 * Eric * (+12) Created page with "This is Eric" 04:16:29 Cale: sgtm 04:16:33 get writing on that paper 04:19:31 `? jerk 04:19:36 jerk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:19:47 `learn Jerk is the integral of snap. 04:19:51 Learned 'jerk': Jerk is the integral of snap. 04:20:35 I still haven't figured out good answers for my questions about the limit operator L : (R -v R) -> (R -v R) 04:20:39 (Where -v means a partial function.) 04:27:22 `? snap 04:27:25 snap? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:27:49 `learn Snap is a simple web development framework for unix systems, written in the Haskell programming language. Snap has a high level of test coverage and is well-documented. 04:27:56 Learned 'snap': Snap is a simple web development framework for unix systems, written in the Haskell programming language. Snap has a high level of test coverage and is well-documented. 04:28:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:28:24 And there I was about to define it as a Sierpiński Nap. 04:28:54 oerjan: also i can't quite tell what Cale is doing here, can you twh 04:30:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:30:47 `? haskell 04:30:50 Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' 04:30:52 ? monoids 04:31:05 `? monoids 04:31:07 Monoids are just categories with single objects. 04:31:08 `? monoid 04:31:10 A monoid is the easy version of a category. 04:31:28 `? monad 04:31:29 Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 04:31:56 `? just monoid 04:31:57 just monoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:32:49 Monads are lax functors * -> Cat 04:33:00 `? monads 04:33:02 Monads are just free monad monad monad algebras. 04:33:21 -!- Kaynato has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:34:50 So monoids are just lax functors * -> BSet, where BSet is the one-object delooping bicategory of the monoidal category of sets. 04:35:29 I can't think of a good definition for "just monoid". 04:40:49 oerjan: also i can't quite tell what Cale is doing here, can you twh <-- clearly it's meta-ironical hth 04:41:49 A just monoid is a monoid which is based on reasonable or adequate grounds. 04:42:22 `? justice 04:42:24 Justice is just behavior or treatment. 04:43:00 `` rgrep -le '(is|are) just' wisdom 04:43:13 `? Applicative 04:43:13 No output. 04:43:15 Applicative? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:43:31 `learn Applicatives are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 04:43:35 Learned 'applicative': Applicatives are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 04:43:36 A monoid M is called left-adequate if every principal left ideal is projective as a left M-act, and the set E(M) of idempotents forms a semilattice 04:44:02 i sort of thought we had that one already. 04:44:21 `? applicative functor 04:44:23 applicative functor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:45:47 `` mv wisdom/applicative{,\ functor}; sed -i 's/s/ functors/' wisdom/applicative\ functor 04:45:51 No output. 04:46:21 `? applicative functor 04:46:23 Applicative functors are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 04:46:55 `? functor 04:46:56 Functors are just morphisms in the category of small categories 04:47:11 `` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/functor 04:47:16 No output. 04:47:46 `cat bin/mk 04:47:47 ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" 04:48:37 ...huh 04:48:42 Texas is "The America of America" 04:50:33 `cat bin/wisdom 04:50:34 F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 04:51:26 `mkx bin/sedk//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: sedk file//operation; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key" } 04:51:30 bin/sedk 04:52:47 `sedk bin/sedk//s;u;'u;;s"n"n'" 04:52:49 ​/hackenv/bin/sedk: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file 04:53:47 `` sed -i 's/..$/; }/' bin/sedk 04:53:52 No output. 04:53:57 `sedk bin/sedk//s;u;'u;;s"n"n'" 04:54:00 bin/sedk//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sedk file//operation'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key"; } 04:54:25 `sedlast soperationscript 04:54:33 bin/sedk//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sedk file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key"; } 04:54:46 oerjan: hth 04:55:54 Maybe I should've rnoooooodled that. 04:58:03 `` mv bin/sedk bin/sled; sedk 'bin/sled//s-sedk-sled-' 04:58:07 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: sedk: command not found 04:58:16 * shachaf sighs 04:58:26 `sled bin/sled//s-sedk-sled- 04:58:28 bin/sled//[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sled file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || exit 1; sed -i "$value" "$key" && { echo -n "$key//"; cat "$key"; } 05:10:20 Category Theory-related wisdom tends to start with "xs are just" 05:16:57 `culprits LaTeX 05:17:14 No output. 05:17:27 ...wat? 05:17:31 `cat culprits 05:17:32 cat: culprits: No such file or directory 05:17:39 ...WAT 05:17:44 Wait, this was me, wasn't it 05:17:56 `innocent LaTeX 05:17:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: innocent: not found 05:18:01 Darn 05:22:32 clearly a case of advanced amnesia. 05:23:15 so derivatives [4..6] are called snap, crackle, and pop 05:23:20 is fizzie a derivative 06:05:14 `? emacs 06:05:16 emacs is the weird brother of nano. 06:05:16 `? vi 06:05:19 vi is in a relationship with emacs. 06:05:23 `? nano 06:05:26 nano is vi's sister. 06:05:29 ... 06:05:48 oerjan: There's a problem here. 06:11:19 only if you incest there is. 06:11:23 shopping -> 06:13:10 Ooooh, the wisdom PDF has a whole chapter on Tanebventions 06:18:53 `? tanebvention 06:18:57 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 06:19:33 `sled wisdom/tanebvention//s/lemma/lemma, histograms,/ 06:19:37 wisdom/tanebvention//Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms,, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 06:19:44 oops 06:19:50 `sled wisdom/tanebvention//s/,,/,/ 06:19:53 wisdom/tanebvention//Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 06:22:36 `le/rn soviet russia/In soviet russia, this wisdom entry /would/ read you if it weren't for the fact that IRC hadn't been invented at the time 06:22:40 Relearned «soviet russia» 06:23:28 `before 06:23:38 wisdom/soviet russia//¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia? 06:23:59 your joke is only a reference to another joke and it isn't even properly punctuated 06:24:06 `culprits wisdom/soviet russia 06:24:21 hppavilion[1] int-e b_jonas oerjan 06:24:44 shachaf: Well yeah 06:24:54 `le/rn soviet russia/In soviet russia, this wisdom entry /would/ read you if it weren't for the fact that IRC hadn't been invented at the time. 06:24:59 Relearned «soviet russia» 06:25:11 `` hg log wisdom/soviet\ russia | grep summary: | grep -v hpp 06:25:18 summary: revert \ summary: slashlearn soviet russia/In soviet russia, this wisdom entry reads you. \ summary: le/rn soviet russia/\xc2\xaf\\(\xc2\xb0\xe2\x80\x8b_o)/\xc2\xaf soviet russia? 06:25:59 `revert 8238 06:26:17 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 06:31:11 -!- shovel_boss has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:58:23 `? soviet russia 06:58:28 ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia? 06:59:32 hppavilion[1]: also, irc was invented while soviet russia still existed hth 06:59:48 oerjan: I was afraid someone would say that 07:00:22 OK, the new soviet russia joke is better 07:00:27 `? russian reversal 07:00:30 russian reversal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:00:37 `? lithuanian inversion 07:00:40 lithuanian inversion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:01:48 it's also the old joke 07:01:48 `? french expansion 07:01:50 french expansion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:01:56 oerjan: Yes 07:02:09 `? greek oliveoilization 07:02:10 greek oliveoilization? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:02:39 . o O ( which countries have imploded? ) 07:04:14 oerjan: Britain? 07:04:29 [wiki] [[++brainfuck++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47091&oldid=47085 * Maximngy * (+44) 07:04:39 Clever name, probably stupid 07:04:50 [wiki] [[++brainfuck++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47092&oldid=47091 * Maximngy * (-40) 07:05:14 [wiki] [[++brainfuck++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47093&oldid=47092 * Maximngy * (+5) 07:06:19 [wiki] [[Talk:++brainfuck++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47094 * Hppavilion1 * (+61) Informed. 07:06:48 [wiki] [[Talk:++brainfuck++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47095&oldid=47094 * Hppavilion1 * (+11) Updated to match new title 07:07:10 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47096&oldid=47073 * Maximngy * (+66) 07:08:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:08:24 Hm... I wonder if there are any programs that take improper english written by a non-native speaker and attempt to determine their native language 07:09:19 hppavilion[1]: need more samples? 07:09:36 lifthrasiir: ? 07:09:51 (as I'm not a native speaker) 07:10:33 lifthrasiir: Well it wouldn't work for fluent nonnative speakers, but it'd be designed for people who know just enough english to scrape by 07:10:51 eh, I never thought I'm fluent :S 07:11:09 lifthrasiir: Well the fact that you aren't a native speaker is news to me IIRC, so... 07:11:38 (ironically, "I'm" should be "I was" there, I guess) 07:12:05 yeah, that kind of mistakes. I'm particularly bad at tense for example 07:13:08 and articles, but everyone learning English seems to fail on articles anyway 07:13:59 what? I fail in articles? 07:15:42 "You should not end a sentence with a preposition. Wait, dammit." 07:16:01 -- Eintaire 07:16:26 `? einstein 07:16:33 einstein? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 07:17:22 "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. World War V will be fought with crossbows, World War VI will be lasers, and World War VII will be blowguns. I don't know about World Wars VIII through XI. World War XII will use the same weapons as III, but will be fought entirely within underground tunnels. World War XIV will—Hey, come 07:17:24 back! I have a whole list!" -- Albert Einstein 07:17:24 `learn einstein is a germaneau for "a stone" 07:17:33 Learned 'einstein': einstein is a germaneau for "a stone" 07:19:45 b_jonas: hmm, everyone whose native language is not indo-european. that should be more clear. 07:20:27 (other languages often have articles, guaranteed, but indo-european articles can be quite complex compared to others) 07:28:57 lifthrasiir: no no, look, Hungarian has articles that are used very similar to those in English or French 07:29:10 well, that's sad 07:29:25 Indo-European is not relevant here in practice, because if your native language is Russian you are going to have trouble with articles in Englih 07:29:42 Indo-European didn't use to have articles originally 07:29:55 those are later inventions, and stolen multiple times 07:30:10 they're not inherited on the main branches of the family tree 07:30:35 yup, that's true, still I feel most modern indo-european languages have a system of articles anyway 07:30:59 lifthrasiir: um, maybe? I dunno 07:31:32 it might be half and half, but some of the ones that have articles (like Swedish) have a different system from English or French 07:31:49 -!- mroman has joined. 07:31:50 fnurd 07:32:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:32:22 b_jonas: for one record, affixes give another headache for foreign learners, though English does not have them (in general) 07:32:38 lifthrasiir: sure 07:32:44 one of reason that Korean is particularly hard for many other speakers 07:33:09 (and Japanese, which is worse thanks to the absence of spacing) 07:33:44 (and "thanks" used as a sarcasm just to be sure) 07:33:47 lifthrasiir: especially in the languages that have crazy unlearnable random forms of how a particular affix looks like when appended to a particular word, like Hungarian, where they're so random that half of the time they're used as a shiboleth to identify non-native speakers reliably, and the other half of the time even native speakers don't agree on the correct form 07:34:02 lifthrasiir: you seem to be very good at hitting issues that don't apply to b_jonas :P 07:34:09 oerjan: lol 07:34:23 different extremes, maybe? 07:35:02 oerjan: what? they sure apply. just because Hungarian has a crazy verb conjugation (and also noun declination) system doesn't make conjugation in other languages much easier to learn, because they don't work the same 07:35:27 b_jonas: well you have articles, and you have affixes galore. 07:35:31 oerjan: articles in English _are_ easy to learn for me, because they work practically the same as in Hungarian, with some rare differences 07:35:52 wow, Hungarian affixes seem to be... a lot. Korean also has lots of them but in a slightly different way. 07:35:52 obviously hungarian calqued articles from its indoeuropean neighbors. 07:36:11 lifthrasiir: but Japanese at least has some of the nouns and verbs written in Kanji and all the suffixes written in hiragana, doesn't that sort of count as spaces? 07:36:28 b_jonas: yeah, created out of necessity (unfortunately). 07:36:33 oerjan: of course, even the indoeuropean neighbors stole the articles from each other way after they split 07:37:20 lifthrasiir: but I Japanese verb conjugation does have a reputation to be hard to learn, yse 07:38:20 hmm, if I read the WP correctly, Hungarian affixes do not compose, it just have tons of them for each class, right? (plus some terrible mutation rules) 07:39:18 Korean affixes compose a lot, and ruins automated segmentation 07:39:24 lifthrasiir: it does have composing affixes (called képző), but also ordinary verb affixes and noun affixes that form the conjugation and declination, and those don't compose, so you have basically at most two attached to a verb or noun 07:39:59 “tons of them for each class” - not compared to Japanese I think, but I'm not really sure 07:40:34 b_jonas: i think i read once that greek got the definite article from phoenician some time between homeric and classical greek and from there it spread to others. 07:40:37 Japanese has a similar characteristic 07:41:07 but i'm not sure how accurate that is. 07:42:52 Basically, a Hungarian noun takes a “jel” suffix which indicates singular vs plural and also possessive (but the possessive is null most of the time in the text), followed by a “rag” suffix which is ordinary noun declination indicating the role of the noun group in the sentence (sort of like in Latin, and somewhat less like Japanese); 07:44:45 whereas an adjective takes possibly a “jel” suffix indicating comparative, followed by possibly an ordinary noun “jel” and noun “rag” (most often both omitted because they can be used only if the adjective is used as a noun group alone or a qualifier after a noun, but most of the time adjectives are used as epitheths before a noun in which case it's forbidden); 07:47:43 and Hungarian verbs take a “jel” indicating mood and tense (there's four possibilities, plus some obsolate ones, the most common one is empty for the indicative present, two other forms are notated by an aux verb instead of a suffix), followed by a “rag” that agrees with the count and person of the subject and the determinacy of the object (13 possibilities). 07:48:31 So a Hungarian verb has 4*13 possibly forms (one less actually because there's two that always look the same, but that doesn't help understanding the system). 07:50:34 The basic system is simple, but the part that's impossible to learn is that when you actually attach a suffix to a word the letters and sounds you get are modified in ways impossible to predict. 07:52:18 lifthrasiir: does Korean have a verb conjugation system that's reputed to be hard to learn, like Japanese? I know Korean is supposed to have a grammar similar to Japanese, but I'm not sure if that applies to that part too. 07:53:05 b_jonas: Korean have no conjugation system, probably everything is done with affixes. 07:53:20 lifthrasiir: um, what's the difference? 07:53:33 fewer changes in form? 07:53:35 yeah 07:53:41 in principle you can segment all of them 07:53:50 the problem is you initially don't know where to cut 07:57:42 some example: "했다" ("[subject] did [...]") <- short for "하였다" = 하- (verb, lit. to do) / -였- (past tense) / -다 (plain verb ending) 07:58:24 you may notice that there *is* a contraction. it is not proper conjugation though because you can literally replace every occurrence of 했다 with 하였다, so it is rather a pronunciation contraction 07:59:04 well, or abbreviation if you prefer that. kind of contractions like "im" in German (<- in dem) 08:00:25 * oerjan wondered why hungarian verbs had a prime number of "rag"s, then remembered -lak/lek 08:03:05 now introducing tons of variations for this verb: 할 (future tense, needs aux verb), 할까요 (future tense plus inquiry), 합시다 (present tense plus proposition), 할까봐 (future tense, nominal "-까" plus suggestive "-봐"), and so on 08:03:52 there are several, not always compatible, variations for each kind of affixes, resulting in literally thousands of them 08:05:10 lifthrasiir: right. that counts more or less like conjugation for me, unless there are also suffixes with a varying form that can be separated from the word it applies to by other words (not just other affixes on the same word) 08:07:17 b_jonas: IIRC conjugation is related to the grammatical tags and thus imperative (you cannot use non-conjugated forms interchangably). I think Korean does not do that. 08:07:56 there are some close-to-conjugation rules that are imperative, though 08:08:11 (and some of them irregular, as common in natural languages) 08:09:10 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Good Night). 08:11:02 lifthrasiir: hmm, so you say it's not conjugation unless the agreement or suffixes are mostly mandatory on all verbs where they make sense, whereas in Koeran they are often optional and used only when they're necessary? 08:11:59 b_jonas: they are common contractions, but otherwise yes, I think so 08:12:15 I see 08:12:37 not to say that it is easier, actually that's more difficult (as you have to learn both and when it is appropriate) 08:13:20 What I don't understand really is how languages like Chinese can work, for they have so few suffixes or grammatical particles that I don't understand how any listener can split groups of words in a sentence and tell their role in the sentence. 08:14:10 Maybe I just have a mistaken impression about Chinese and it has more grammatical particles than it seems, I dunno. 08:14:20 in my understanding Chinese is quite similar to English (in terms of grammatical characteristics), so the word order is very important and some supporting words should be used to clarify their meanings 08:14:56 lifthrasiir: English is bad too, yes, but at least it has articles on some of the nouns, which helps. 08:16:00 b_jonas: I think Chinese also has some particles, 的 being a prime example 08:16:06 Whereas Chinese has neither articles (like English) nor lots of case markers after most nouns (like latin or Japanese) 08:16:40 lifthrasiir: lots of particles sure, but are they commonly used? and I think I don't count particles that occur only at the end of the sentence. 08:16:53 not sure about the actual count 08:17:42 for me it is more concerning that Chinese has a relatively simple phonology (well, tones, right, but tones are often missed during conversation) 08:19:10 lifthrasiir: why is that important? lots of languages have a simple phonology, Japanese included. 08:19:49 b_jonas: tons of synonyms and near-synonyms as a result. (Japanese has tons of them as well) 08:20:06 Sure, that does happen. 08:20:14 well, Japanese seems to be fine so that may not be an actual problem 08:20:41 I hear it is a problem in spoken Japanese, which is why they add lots of extra words to disambiguate. 08:27:48 what is a problem in spoken japanese? 08:28:02 mroman: homophony 08:28:06 ah yeah 08:28:13 causing word-level ambiguities 08:28:19 they have lots of those 08:28:39 although some of those stress different syllables 08:31:07 mroman: right, pitch accent. half of the sources say it doesn't even really exist in Japanese, or only in certain dialects. I have no idea what the truth about it is. 08:31:11 it's almost ridiculous how many homophones they have 08:31:29 b_jonas: as far as I know it's certain dialects. 08:31:51 ah, I wrote synonyms when I should've write homonym 08:31:52 lol 08:31:54 but I don't know if there's some "official dialect" that has different pitch accents for homophones 08:32:16 most famous one is hashi 08:32:33 bridge or chopsticks 08:32:36 or probably even more :) 08:33:08 apparentely also tip/point/(end of street) 08:33:34 also the first (harvest, catch) of the season or year 08:33:44 mroman: meh, a few isolated words with many meanings (like “scale”) doesn't really prove anything 08:34:01 hm? 08:34:26 a word with many meanings is still one word 08:34:34 hm, bit of a bitcoin boom 08:35:04 but jisho lists at least 4-5 words with "hashi" as its readnig. 08:36:09 I'm no linguist. I don't even know when something is really a different word or the same 08:36:27 there's for example "Schloss" in german, which is either a "castle" or a "lock" 08:36:44 I don't know if those are homonyms or just a word with two meanings 08:38:38 hm. polysem, homonym, holograph 08:50:08 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:58:45 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Polysleep). 09:02:14 -!- Cale has joined. 09:27:44 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:29:22 -!- Koen_ has joined. 09:30:13 hello 09:32:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 09:33:47 Machine. Unexpectedly, I’d invented a time 09:39:15 -!- augur has joined. 09:39:31 mroman: yes, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference 09:39:48 in a few cases, different dictionaries decide differentl 09:41:44 yeah.. wp says it's pretty much up to the origin of the word 09:42:03 whether it's a ploysem or homonym 09:43:54 Ugh 09:44:02 No website should have a loading screen if it isn't streaming content 09:44:05 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:48:14 no 09:48:15 no 09:48:18 you got it all wrong 09:48:20 totally wrong 09:48:53 according to industry best practices every website should have a 30s loading screen with a shitload of ads (that also install malware on your machine to display even more ads) 09:49:07 as well as an anti-ad-blocker that redirects you to malicious porn sites if an adblocker is detected 09:49:51 also some of the ads need to look like regular MS Windows windows (even better if you detect the OS so you don't display Windows Vista window borders when using Windows XP) 09:50:14 most importantly it needs to start shaking once the user wants to close it, if the user closes it the user needs to be asked if he's sure 09:50:16 mroman: maybe I'm just visiting the wrong websites for this, but the "anti-adblocker" mostly sounds like a myth to me that everyone says other websites are doing, and is totally possible to do, but almost no website actually uses. 09:50:37 pornhub does. 09:50:41 mroman: some websites have overlays that javascript removes, but it's specifically for disabled javascript, not ad blocking I think 09:50:44 but they just display a message :) 09:51:19 some websites put an overlay over the content if ads didn't load properly 09:51:31 which you can remove with firebug or alike (delete node) 09:51:32 (really overlays, where the page loads anyway behind it so you can just remove it, not the javascript redirect kind where you can't even read the page without interpreting the javascript) 09:51:48 tougher websites do a redirect 09:51:51 mroman: maybe I just confuse them with that 09:51:54 so you temporarily have to disable redirects. 09:52:18 others just serve ads from their own domain 09:52:25 which is just a proxy of the actual ad network :) 09:52:54 that's not really an anti-ad-blocker though, just anti-ad-blocking strategy 09:53:35 proxying ads through your own domain is probably currently the best thing you can do to still serve ads. 09:56:23 also as an oem manufacturer you have to install rootkits that trust your own certificates so you can man in the middle all https connections and insert your own ads 09:56:51 I don't know why companies can get off the hook so easily when they do these things. 09:57:38 If I were to walk into some company and install a rootkit there I'd go to prison 09:57:41 just saying . 10:09:49 but I guess my world view is just too distorted :D 10:10:13 by 2016 I'd have thought some OS manufacturer had the guts to address some root problems when it comes to malware and stuff like that 10:10:20 but nothing much happened 10:10:54 maybe smartphones 10:13:26 it's almost like Microsoft has some business with either malware or anti-malware manufacturers :D 10:15:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:17:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:45:15 @metar EGLL 10:45:15 EGLL 310920Z AUTO 35010KT 5000 -RA OVC011/// //////CB 11/10 Q1015 RERA TEMPO 4000 RA BKN009 10:45:49 -RA RERA TEMPO RA. 11:06:52 -!- gamemanj has joined. 11:15:44 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 11:31:08 who speaks japanese here? 11:31:58 just wanted some info about the -go suffix that i can't find anywhere 11:32:15 often translated as boy 11:32:42 uhhh... example? 11:33:42 in bleach, yoruichi calls byakuya "byakuya-go" 11:34:30 Sure it's not -bo? 11:35:02 not sure it's very similar 11:35:19 oh i see, bo is on wikipedia 11:35:34 thanks 11:35:41 -bou actually, I guess 11:37:16 but it really sounds similar <.< 11:50:21 -!- augur has joined. 11:54:45 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:01:01 -!- Vorpal has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 12:02:00 -!- Vorpal has joined. 12:04:02 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:38:36 `? cone 12:38:41 `? cube 12:38:43 `? ball 12:38:48 `? cylinder 12:39:34 cone? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:39:34 Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape. The companion cube does not speak, however. 12:39:35 ball? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:39:36 cylinder? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:40:36 wrong - the companion cube, though vaguely cube-shaped, has various ridges, circles, and other alterations to the basic shape of a cube, that make it not precisely a cube. 12:41:09 However, given that it is still classified as a cube, the "but only one shape" phrase should be changed to "but always match the same general outline of a shape". 12:55:16 gamemanj: so basically you're saying that the wisdom entry meets the usual #esoteric standard of being a satisfying mix of truth and misinformation. 12:55:38 Yep! 12:56:22 `? inferno 12:56:24 inferno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:56:43 `? limbo 12:56:45 limbo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:57:27 `` cd wisdom; grep Dante * 12:57:41 grep: le: Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ plan9:Plan9 is the precursor to Dante's Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. \ Binary file reflection matches \ virgil:Virgil is a prayer at dawn, as well as an ancient Italian poet who led Dante to hell so they can ask the blind transgende 12:58:19 * int-e forgets his own wisdom entries... 12:58:26 `culprits wisdom/plan9 12:58:39 int-e int-e 13:03:06 `? cocytus 13:03:08 cocytus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:03:41 `? ir2 13:03:43 ir2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:47:53 `? fools 13:48:01 fools? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:00:01 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:05:54 -!- augur has joined. 14:09:50 `? haruspex 14:09:57 haruspex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:10:12 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:36:53 -!- ski__ has joined. 14:37:16 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:47:59 -!- ski has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:48:37 -!- ski__ has changed nick to ski. 14:48:46 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:02:46 Last time I messed with BytePusher, it was to try AOTing it, but that turned out to be impractical. But... what about a JIT? 15:12:20 -!- ybden has joined. 15:26:45 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 15:34:56 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:35:22 ] 5 * 19 % 30 * 31 15:35:36 um 15:35:50 [ 5 * 19 % 30 * 31 15:35:51 b_jonas: 0.102151 15:36:05 yes, like that 15:40:47 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 16:00:18 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:02:56 -!- spiette has joined. 16:15:11 -!- augur has joined. 16:17:58 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 17:25:40 It should be possible to JIT BytePusher with... well, it seems a maximum of 512 segments per frame during some parts, but during runtime averaging on somewhere like 270. Need to get more stats for average segment length... 17:26:50 Unlike my previous attempt at messing with BytePusher execution, this one actually runs programs, though right now it only compiles it to something else it ends up interpreting. 17:27:16 ...and it's slower than a normal BytePusher interpreter. 17:27:28 (Even when it's not recompiling segments.) 17:30:18 I should be able to more or less zero the recompiled segment count by caching "alternate versions" of segments. 17:30:43 ...but that probably won't make it faster than a normal BytePusher interpreter. 17:33:48 Ok, so even more mressing around shows that the average segment it can JIT on a complex program is 9 instructions long. 17:33:52 *messing 17:34:18 I am beginning to doubt the utility of this... 17:37:07 Hmm. Ok, so on the Audio Test it manages an average segment length of 7 instructions, and never compiles a segment more than once. I'm a bit more optimistic now. 17:37:58 ...and it only compiled 2 segments. 17:39:27 `olist 1038 17:39:32 was this olisted yet? 17:39:43 olist 1038: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 17:48:12 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:48:42 I don't think so 17:54:48 Not in this channel, but it might've happened in another channel. 17:55:06 Or on the other side of a netsplit, I guess, but then HackEgo wasn't there to help. 17:55:21 The poor olister, forced to manually type everyone's nick. 18:48:23 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:49:42 `? olist 18:49:54 olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html 18:54:39 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:00:39 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 19:15:36 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 19:17:58 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:18:22 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:19:03 -!- Nithogg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:20:55 -!- Nithogg_ has joined. 19:30:43 `? get off my lawn 19:30:46 get off my lawn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:30:50 `? get off 19:30:55 get off? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:35:55 -!- Koen_ has joined. 19:37:20 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to Elronnd. 19:37:34 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 19:39:43 -!- Elronnd\StD has changed nick to Elronnd. 19:43:03 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 19:54:41 What is wrong with this question? 19:55:13 zzo38: It's ambiguous. 19:55:27 O, OK 19:58:43 zzo38, it's self-referential 19:59:17 O, yes, that is what it is. 20:02:15 -!- augur has joined. 20:04:04 Taneb: you're self-referential hth 20:04:56 `? taneb 20:04:59 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) 20:05:21 shachaf, yes, it's something I'm working on 20:06:50 `? tanebventions 20:06:53 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 20:07:19 Let's see which of those are fake... 20:07:38 Hmm... Probably that last sentence, but nothing else 20:08:04 gamemanj, the last sentence is the most true of all 20:08:15 It's not like I've ever seen anyone called Stephen Wolfram, so he's probably an invention of Taneb 20:08:16 I'm completely asexual and a bit uncomfortable with being associated with sex 20:08:55 ...oh. In which case, it may not have been the greatest idea putting it in a sentence which may or may not contain lies... 20:09:15 Did anyone ever try submarine jousting? Sounds fun but dangerous... 20:09:33 Also, Taneb is probably at least 100 years old 20:09:37 ("the BBC") 20:10:15 (+ some extra time in which Taneb became old enough to potentially conceive of a broadcasting corporation for Britain) 20:10:16 gamemanj, Phantom_Hoover is quite good at submarine jousting from what I've heard 20:10:21 Ah. 20:10:29 it's not actually real 20:10:34 ... 20:10:36 Paradox! 20:10:36 Phantom_Hoover, yes it 20:10:37 is 20:11:12 also i'm not in the submarine team, i just knew some of the people on it 20:11:32 And everybody knows Taneb invented the torus, they share a first letter 20:11:46 gamemanj, a torus, topologically, is just a torus 20:12:22 -!- adu has joined. 20:12:25 `? tetris 20:12:27 tetris? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:13:19 Taneb: I am tautology resistant to 104 megaiterations. 20:14:13 (Should someone provide a tautology with 104.000001 megaiterations, I will fall asleep for 10 hours.) 20:14:36 -!- Elronnd has changed nick to Elronnd\StD. 20:14:42 (This roughly matches the amount of time it would take for me to actually listen to the tautology.) 20:18:25 what's an iteration of a tautology? 20:24:59 Koen_, the iteration of a tautology, of course 20:25:25 oh, I see what you're doing 20:26:40 `? histogram 20:26:43 histogram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:27:21 `? shrugging smiley 20:27:24 shrugging smiley? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:27:29 thank you 20:27:45 `wisdom 20:27:45 `wisdom 20:27:46 `wisdom 20:27:46 `wisdom 20:27:47 `wisdom 20:28:27 thank you gamemanj 20:28:36 macabre// 20:28:46 m–rdalsjökull//M–rdalsjökull is a draconic volcano harbouring the secret KATL base. 20:28:46 right//Right is not two wrongs but three lefts. 20:28:46 antediluvian//We could tell you what antediluvian means, but that would just open a flood of questions. 20:28:46 izabera//izabera is a bradyherpetologist. She is probably implemented in bash. 20:29:03 -_- 20:29:21 hl for no reason -_- 20:30:51 It seems unlikely that a person could be implemented in bash (and the CTCP VERSION doesn't say "bash" either), so the wisdom entry is probably telling a lie 20:31:13 `? macabre 20:31:15 The Macabres have been the hereditary rulers of Lochaber for 3 centuries. 20:31:43 What happened there? 20:31:46 `wisdom macabre 20:31:48 macabre//The Macabres have been the hereditary rulers of Lochaber for 3 centuries. 20:31:58 what happen 20:35:40 `? accountant 20:35:41 accountant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:36:45 `? auditor 20:36:45 `culprits macabre 20:36:47 auditor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:36:54 No output. 20:36:57 `culprits wisdom/macabre 20:37:02 oerjan elliott Phantom_Hoover 20:37:09 ^ the usual suspects 20:37:20 ...or at least one of them, at any rate! 20:38:59 izabera, you study slow snakes?? 20:39:28 no it was something about python being slow 20:40:09 if you work on pypy are you a bradyherpetologist? 20:41:35 oh for-- that should've been 'tachyherpetologist' 20:42:38 `le/rn usual suspects/There are 3.99 usual suspects, but they're usually rounded up. 20:42:45 Learned «usual suspects» 20:43:13 shachaf: Who's the fourth? 20:43:42 Or, .99th of the fourth? 20:43:51 `` ln -s usual\ suspect wisdom/the\ usual\ suspect 20:43:57 No output. 20:44:54 gamemanj: clearly your suspectometer is broken hth 20:45:10 ... 20:45:16 Actually it's not just broken 20:45:19 it's spinning wildly 20:45:20 and screaming 20:46:11 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 20:51:47 -!- xkapastel has joined. 20:55:16 A horse is a horse, of course, of course. 20:55:21 (Speaking of tautologies.) 20:56:11 fizzie: Of course a horse is a horse. 20:56:20 But I'm not sure that that's true of course. 20:56:24 It might need to be proved. 20:57:15 I guess "of course" is a linear logic operator and a comonad. 20:57:27 So "of course A" implies "of course of course A". 20:57:38 being a horse is true of a horse but not of a course 20:57:50 `? olsner 20:57:52 olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines. 20:59:28 `? shachaf 20:59:30 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. 21:00:11 `rot13 funpunnery 21:00:13 shachaarel 21:00:47 A horse by any other name would smell as sweet. 21:01:15 ...I bothered to search Nepeta Leijon. I am now unsure what, exactly, to say. 21:01:33 Thus, this placeholder message has been left. 21:01:39 I think there is a file for accounting but it would seem from above they do not have the file of accountant yet? 21:01:56 zzo38: accounting what? 21:01:57 `random-card 21:02:05 Xathrid Gorgon \ 5B \ Creature -- Gorgon \ 3/6 \ Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.) \ {2}{B}, {T}: Put a petrification counter on target creature. It gains defender and becomes a colorless artifact in addition to its other types. Its activated abilities can't be activated. (A creature with defender c 21:02:14 In the wisdom file 21:02:21 fungot: what do you say about nepeta leijon? 21:02:21 olsner: please go to :image:herald.jpgthe image description page and edit it to include a wikipedia:fair use rationale guidelineexplanation or rationale as to why its use in ' ' fnord' ( unethical offspring) of the page would hurt the island image. 21:02:36 You should reprogram random-card to strip the reminder text so that the other text will fit. 21:03:12 zzo38: But what if you want to read the reminder text? 21:03:14 zzo38: I was thinking of auditors (from Discworld), not accountants. 21:03:30 O, OK then write the one about auditor from Discworld 21:03:55 zzo38: I'm not sure. The remainder text is useful when you take a random card from twenty years of set of crazy keywords. 21:04:03 shachaf: Then you can use a command-line switch to enable it possibly 21:04:15 zzo38: sure, maybe if it doesn't fit in the output then it could make sense to strip the reminder text 21:04:24 as in, strip only if it wouldn't fit otherwise 21:04:36 `card-by-name benalish hero 21:04:39 Benalish Hero \ W \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/1 \ Banding (Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding you control are blocking or being blocked by a creature, you divide that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among any of the creatures it's bei 21:04:40 b_jonas: But now the text won't fit on one message. I think the reminder text is waste space (and isn't always perfectly accurate), because you can look up the rules instead. 21:05:01 If you do not know what a keyword means then you should look up in the rules. 21:05:09 zzo38: maybe... 21:06:57 zzo38: part of the problem is that wizards sometimes omits reminder text from where it would be really useful and would not be distracting, like on Sea's Claim, or like on creatures with protection from a color and not many other abilities (is there even ANY card where protection was printed with a reminder text?). 21:07:43 zzo38: Sea's Claim is particularly stupid, as it has a reminder text for "Enchant land" which is probably the ability more people would know without reminder text, but no reminder text for "Enchanted land is an Island." which is way more likely to be confusing for players 21:07:56 I think reminder text should always be omitted unless the text is sufficiently unclear due to English is a stupid language perhaps 21:08:27 zzo38: no no, if the text is unclear because English is a stupid language, then the ability must be rephrased. don't just fix that with a reminder text. 21:09:17 Fixing the ability might be difficult of course, and requires lots of planning ahead with the rules. 21:09:26 But that planning ahead is what the rules manager is for. 21:09:28 In case rephrasing is impossible maybe, or if the rephrasing makes it not compatible with the rules of the game 21:10:01 zzo38: yes, and if they really can't rephrase, even with fixing the rules, then Wizardse simply doesn't print such a card 21:10:03 Nearly everything is sufficiently clear even without the reminder text though. 21:10:16 There are lots of potential cards that you can't print for such reason. 21:10:39 zzo38: only if you remember all the two hundred obscure old keyworded abilities and action words. 21:10:45 I don't. 21:11:32 You should learn the rules for the keywords used in the set/cube/deck that you are playing, and reference it if you are unsure. 21:12:19 zzo38: sure, for decks I make I totally should learn the rules well, but I can't know in advance what decks other people make, and in the case of `random-card you can get almost any card 21:12:28 My own custom cards do not use reminder text for keywords (in some cases it won't even fit anyways). 21:13:09 b_jonas: Yes, but the space for the IRC is even less than the space of the cards themself. You can ask for the card with the -r switch to read reminder text perhaps, and/or to use another command to look up a rule. 21:14:49 zzo38: yes, we could do that 21:15:18 zzo38: feel free to modify `random-card and `card-by-name to omit the reminder text 21:15:34 I'm lazy, I won't implement it now 21:15:44 but if you implement it, it's fine 21:16:13 I won't implement it now either, but possibly later I would do so. 21:17:14 But seriously, I hate Spreading Seas and Sea's Claim for not having the reminder text saying that the enchanted land loses abilities printed on it. And they're good cards and not easily replacable, so I can't just ignore those cards. 21:17:25 Some of my own custom cards have banding and bands with other (I like those keyword abilities), as well as new keywords, some of which are too complicated to fit in the reminder text, so mine would omit the reminder text. 21:17:43 b_jonas: I don't care about that. Write on the cards or make proxies if you do care. 21:17:54 (Sure, I can use such cards instead that don't use that crazy rule, and preserve the land types and abilities, but that's not the same.) 21:18:48 zzo38: it's not so easy to write on the cards, you'd have to rewrite the whole text box probably 21:18:54 It is clear enough from the rules that it won't keep their abilities or other subtypes, so it is not need the extra text 21:19:23 zzo38: and sure, banding is a lost cause, it has such complicated rules that the reminder would barely fit a card 21:19:47 Banding is good though. Reminder text is bad though. 21:19:50 Even the oracle gatherer text is long, and it omits crucial details. 21:19:57 Yes, I do like banding, 21:20:22 it's just one you don't write on the cards. Just like the planeswalker rules. They weren't written on any of the planeswalkers, not even when they were introduced in Lorwyn. 21:20:29 Or the two-faced card rules. 21:20:32 um 21:20:37 double-faced card rues 21:20:43 They shouldn't need to be; they are in the rule book 21:22:15 Banding is a good idea itself, it's just that most of the banding cards they printed are just silly. 21:22:56 Well, I have made some of my own cards with banding which have other things as well, so new combinations are possible. 21:23:22 Benalish Hero, the larger banding creatures (multiple elephants, a griffin, and other soldiers), and the Helm are fine; but the bands with others creatures, the tons of cards (in Legends I think) that REMOVE banding from other cards, and that land that gives legends "bands with other legends" are just silly 21:23:39 It's sort of the same situation as with Great Wall 21:24:20 One thing some of my cards have is stuff like "target creature banded with" or "other creatures banded with". 21:25:26 hmm wait 21:25:49 (I have added a rule to define what that means.) 21:28:14 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 21:28:33 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:31:06 -!- Melvar has joined. 21:32:26 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:35:41 -!- idris-bot has joined. 21:38:35 wow, I didn't know there were 11 cards printed with Leech creature type. 21:39:12 Now you learn. 21:41:49 zzo38: By "now" do you mean "before now"? 21:42:40 It is irrelevant. 21:44:36 It was inevitable. 21:46:40 O, yes, that is what I meant, sorry. 21:46:55 Meant by what? 21:47:51 I wrote "irrelevant" instead by mistake 21:51:04 i'm not... zzo38 i was quoting a line from dwarf fortress as a joke, asre you sure it's what you meant to say? 21:52:33 I think so. Actually I am unsure that either "irrelevant" or "inevitable" is correct, but it seem closer to what I intended 21:54:52 ...are you a dwarf fortress character? 21:55:46 I think that I am not a dwarf fortress 21:57:13 -!- Nithogg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:58:58 `random-card 21:59:05 Annihilating Fire \ 1RR \ Instant \ Annihilating Fire deals 3 damage to target creature or player. If a creature dealt damage this way would die this turn, exile it instead. \ RTR-C 22:00:06 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:01:28 -!- Nithogg_ has joined. 22:01:44 `random-card 22:01:47 Hedron-Field Purists \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Cleric \ 0/3 \ Level up {2}{W} ({2}{W}: Put a level counter on this. Level up only as a sorcery.) \ {LEVEL 1-4} 1/4 If a source would deal damage to you or a creature you control, prevent 1 of that damage. \ {LEVEL 5+} 2/5 If a source would deal damage to you or a creature you control, prevent 2 of that 22:02:26 that just barely doesn't fit the irc line. 22:03:05 If it is just barely, then it look like removing the reminder text would help. (But in some cases, card texts might not fit even if reminder text is stripped.) 22:03:24 zzo38: yep, snipping the reminder text would definitely help here 22:03:49 Serra's Farmstead {WW} Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant land ;; Enchanted land has "{2}, {T}: Add {W} to your mana pool. You gain 2 life." ;; When ~ comes into play, you gain 1 life. ;; Echo {W} 22:04:32 `random-card fight 22:04:34 Epic Confrontation \ 1G \ Sorcery \ Target creature you control gets +1/+2 until end of turn. It fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.) \ DTK-C 22:05:08 `random-card imprint 22:05:10 Mirror Golem \ 6 \ Artifact Creature -- Golem \ 3/4 \ Imprint -- When Mirror Golem enters the battlefield, you may exile target card from a graveyard. \ Mirror Golem has protection from each of the exiled card's card types. (Artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, sorcery, and tribal are card types.) \ MRD-U 22:05:30 `random-card plane\b 22:05:33 Grove of the Dreampods \ Plane -- Fabacin \ When you planeswalk to Grove of the Dreampods or at the beginning of your upkeep, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. \ Whenever you roll CHAOS, return target creature c 22:06:38 Do you like Serra's Farmstead? Do you like the original Farmstead? 22:06:51 `card-by-name Farmstead 22:06:52 Farmstead \ WWW \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant land \ Enchanted land has "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay {W}{W}. If you do, you gain 1 life." \ A-R, B-R, U-R, RV-R 22:06:56 I don't know that card 22:07:17 ah, an old white rare from revised. no wonder I didn't know it 22:07:59 dunno, the original Farmstead seems very weak 22:08:04 probably that's why I haven't heared of it 22:08:12 Yes I think it is weak 22:08:30 Serra's Farmstead is stronger of course, but it sort of seems like too complicated 22:13:02 Question. What would be the power level of a mono-colored bounce land? Eg. Large Atoll \ Land \ ~ etb tapped. \ When ~ etb, return a land you control to its owner's hand. \ {T}: Add {U}{U} to your mana pool. 22:13:12 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:13:38 I don't know. 22:14:35 I would play lands like that in some decks if they existed, but that doesn't really mean much. 22:14:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:35:38 Can you recommend a website like isup.me but that can act on https servers? 22:44:26 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 22:46:09 -!- boily has joined. 22:47:21 `wisdom 22:47:29 angband//Angband is Morgoth's second dungeon. When the valar finally defeated Morgoth, they were too lazy to go to for 100% completion, so some evil spirits in Angband survived for a sequel. 22:54:28 `? rng 22:54:31 rng? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:55:50 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:58:13 All Hail the Fair and Just RNG! 23:05:49 -!- LexiciScriptor has joined. 23:06:29 -!- LexiciScriptor has quit (Client Quit). 23:10:15 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 23:18:08 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:21:13 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:29:57 -!- augur has joined. 23:41:44 -!- Sgeo has joined.