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00:03:18 <moon_> im rnning a linux bot
00:03:45 <boily> mhelloon_! you have a bot! yay!
00:04:45 <moon_> its in #esoteric-blah
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00:22:23 <^v> moon_, you are referring to the BEL character right?
00:35:20 <izabera> did cobol use base10 numbers?
00:35:58 <izabera> i found a pdf where they say that cobol puts 0-9 in each nibble
00:45:17 <moon_> ybden (and me) just formatted the C: drive of b_jonas's termbot
00:45:57 <moon_> he said we can ruin it tho
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00:57:28 <moon_> ybden has been messing with my virtual screen over hbot :P
00:58:27 <moon_> oerjan, could i attempt to see how much usage havocbot will get in #esoteric so i can modify it to be less noisy?
00:58:49 <moon_> i dont think a experiment crew would gather in #esoteric-blah :P
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01:02:28 <hppavilion[1]> Meaning that there's also such thing as a "trilemma"
01:02:40 <hppavilion[1]> Which is significant enough to have a wikipedia page
01:02:53 <hppavilion[1]> AND it's a pretty well-documented one; not just a stub or somecuh
01:03:00 <boily> hppavellon[1], Phantom__Heloover.
01:04:26 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: now look at tetralemma hth
01:05:05 <hppavilion[1]> So you can also have a tetralemma, pentalemma, etc.
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01:05:54 <oerjan> boily: is nil- a greek root?
01:06:42 <Taneb> There's a popular song about someone facing an undecentumlemma
01:07:01 <boily> no idea if nil- is greek, but “nillemma” sounds neat.
01:07:21 <boily> haplolemma? sesquilemma?
01:08:33 <hppavilion[1]> dodecatolemma, ogdoölemma, hectolemma, tetratolemma, tritolemma, hemilemma, monolemma
01:08:59 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, latin has sesqui (1.5), but also quasqui (1.25) (only in certain contexts though)
01:09:03 <boily> hppavilion[1]: ogdoö???
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01:09:47 <zzo38> Knuth is said to prefer "senidenary" for Latin of group by sixteen
01:09:48 <boily> hbot: :(){ :|:& };:
01:10:24 <boily> one countilemma, ha ha ha, two countilema, ha ha ha...
01:10:55 <hppavilion[1]> boily: I would like to see advanced sesame street, with the count demonstrating countable and uncountable sets and such
01:11:54 <oerjan> aleph_zero integers, ha ha ha, aleph__zero integers, ha ha ha, aleph__zero integers, ha ha ha ...
01:12:02 <hppavilion[1]> "You must choose exactly one of the fundamental particles in the observable universe"
01:12:02 <zzo38> (Other variants mentioned are "sexadecimal", "hexadecadic", and "sedenary".)
01:12:10 <moon_> wait why did havocbot join?
01:12:45 <zzo38> "Hexadecimal" or "hex" is common so what I and others will commonly use.
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01:19:20 <oerjan> <boily> qrf sadly is unporthelloable... what should it be? <-- qrfternoon hth
01:20:59 <HackEgo> fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry.
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01:21:51 <shachaf> What happened to that bot being in #-blah?
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01:22:32 <moon_> someone put a magnet to its virtual drive
01:22:54 <HackEgo> bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo
01:23:14 <shachaf> I wonder whether `after would be useful.
01:23:30 <HackEgo> lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done
01:23:41 <HackEgo> bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo
01:23:48 <HackEgo> hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@"
01:24:24 <HackEgo> changeset: 121:8a04b0258775 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Mar 22 19:17:38 2012 +00000000 \ summary: <elliott> run mv bin test; touch bin
01:24:30 <shachaf> Oh. hg log doesn't log changes to files inside directories?
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01:25:09 <oerjan> 't that inconsistent with what we've seen already
01:25:21 <shachaf> Yes, something odd is going on here.
01:25:30 <HackEgo> share/test//share/test: no such file in rev 49d5a8654dd7
01:25:54 <HackEgo> changeset: 8166:bdb02b531ce0 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed May 25 22:01:44 2016 +00000000 \ summary: <shachaf> rm share/test
01:25:56 <oerjan> shachaf: well isn't that what you'd expect if it was a file creation
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01:26:11 <shachaf> But apparently it was the opposite?
01:26:15 <oerjan> hm or apparently the opposite
01:26:38 <shachaf> `` hg log --removed -l 1 share
01:26:40 <boily> qrfternoon is retrobvious.
01:26:48 <HackEgo> changeset: 8166:bdb02b531ce0 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed May 25 22:01:44 2016 +0000000 \ summary: <shachaf> rm share/test
01:26:55 <oerjan> boily: but a bit limited in usage
01:27:15 <shachaf> hg log --template '{rev}\n' share
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01:28:23 <shachaf> `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share
01:28:30 <HackEgo> 8166 \ 8165 \ 8034 \ 8009 \ 8007 \ 8006 \ 8005 \ 7993 \ 7992 \ 7991 \ 7990 \ 7986 \ 7985 \ 7984 \ 7922 \ 7921 \ 7920 \ 7884 \ 7882 \ 7879 \ 7878 \ 7866 \ 7860 \ 7859 \ 7858 \ 7854 \ 7853 \ 7846 \ 7845 \ 7839 \ 7838 \ 7755 \ 7754 \ 7753 \ 7752 \ 7751 \ 7750 \ 7749 \ 7748 \ 7747 \ 7746 \ 7745 \ 7744 \ 7743 \ 7742 \ 7741 \ 7740 \ 7739 \ 7738 \ 7737 \
01:28:45 <shachaf> `` hg cat -r 8166 share/test
01:28:47 <moon_> `welcome spockers #i can verify he is new
01:28:59 <HackEgo> share/test: no such file in rev bdb02b531ce0
01:29:02 <HackEgo> spockers: #i: can: verify: he: is: new: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:29:04 <shachaf> `` hg cat -r 8165 share/test
01:29:43 <shachaf> `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share | tail -n+1 | head -n1
01:29:53 <shachaf> `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share | tail -n+2 | head -n1
01:30:16 <shachaf> `` hg cat -r "$(hg log --template '{rev}\n' share | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" share/test
01:30:21 <oerjan> moon_: you need to meditate more on HackEgo's syntax twh
01:30:37 <shachaf> moon_: Why are you /msging that to me instead of sending it in the channel?
01:30:56 <moon_> `? dwgtsrezxtvrsbhmt
01:30:58 <HackEgo> dwgtsrezxtvrsbhmt? ¯\(°_o)/¯
01:31:55 <moon_> spockers has a markov chain bot, which i found intresting and i thought would fit this channel
01:32:22 <oerjan> fungot: you may be up for a death match soon hth
01:32:22 <fungot> oerjan: i need a better place after the commands
01:32:25 <boily> there is only one fungot and your fungot is fungot.
01:32:25 <fungot> boily: i don't intend to. but even in my native poland he wasn't really helping anyway heh... " sports"
01:32:55 <shachaf> `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share
01:33:03 <HackEgo> 8166 \ 8165 \ 8034 \ 8009 \ 8007 \ 8006 \ 8005 \ 7993 \ 7992 \ 7991 \ 7990 \ 7986 \ 7985 \ 7984 \ 7922 \ 7921 \ 7920 \ 7884 \ 7882 \ 7879 \ 7878 \ 7866 \ 7860 \ 7859 \ 7858 \ 7854 \ 7853 \ 7846 \ 7845 \ 7839 \ 7838 \ 7755 \ 7754 \ 7753 \ 7752 \ 7751 \ 7750 \ 7749 \ 7748 \ 7747 \ 7746 \ 7745 \ 7744 \ 7743 \ 7742 \ 7741 \ 7740 \ 7739 \ 7738 \ 7737 \
01:33:08 <shachaf> `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share/test
01:33:17 <shachaf> `` hg log --removed --template '{rev}\n' share/test
01:33:29 <HackEgo> lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done
01:33:45 <shachaf> `sled bin/before//s/log/log --removed/
01:33:50 <HackEgo> bin/before//lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --removed --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done
01:34:41 <HackEgo> bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo
01:34:52 <HackEgo> bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo
01:34:53 <HackEgo> hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@"
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01:35:34 <oerjan> `` hg log share/test | grep ummary
01:35:46 <shachaf> `` hg log --removed -l 1 --template '{files}\n' bin/
01:35:48 <HackEgo> summary: <shachaf> ` cp tmp/test share/test
01:36:07 <shachaf> `sled bin/lastfiles//s/log/log --removed/
01:36:12 <HackEgo> bin/lastfiles//hg log --removed -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@"
01:36:28 <HackEgo> bin/lastfiles//hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@"
01:37:06 <oerjan> `` hg log --removed share/test | grep ummary
01:37:11 <HackEgo> summary: <shachaf> rm share/test \ summary: <shachaf> ` cp tmp/test share/test
01:37:20 <oerjan> oh i was just confused
01:37:22 <HackEgo> hg log --removed --template "{desc}\n" "$@"
01:37:45 <shachaf> I get the feeling we should only ever use hg log --removed, really.
01:37:45 <oerjan> shachaf: thought you'd made it, although i'd forgotten you'd renamed it
01:38:11 <shachaf> `sled bin/hoag//s/"\$@"/-- "$@"/
01:38:13 <HackEgo> bin/hoag//hg log --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@"
01:38:16 <shachaf> `sled bin/hog//s/"\$@"/-- "$@"/
01:38:18 <HackEgo> bin/hog//hg log --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@"
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01:40:24 <shachaf> `` hg log --template '{desc}\n' bin/hoag
01:40:31 <HackEgo> <shachaf> sled bin/hoag//s/"\\$@"/-- "$@"/ \ <shachaf> ` mv bin/ho{gue,ag}
01:40:33 <shachaf> `` hg log -f --template '{desc}\n' bin/hoag
01:40:34 <HackEgo> hexxley: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:40:34 <hexxley> hit me if one that released to desktop platform information, and creates pseudo-packages from that whole apple are you asking for when i dont know what i was not the conflict of you from the volume up it started yet
01:40:38 <HackEgo> <shachaf> sled bin/hoag//s/"\\$@"/-- "$@"/ \ <shachaf> ` mv bin/ho{gue,ag} \ <shachaf> mkx bin/hogue//hg log --removed --template "{desc}\\n" "$@" \ <shachaf> mkx bin/hogue//hg log --remvoed --template "{desc}
01:40:39 <hexxley> <shachaf> sled bin/hoag//s/\\$@/-- $@/ \ <shachaf> ` mv bin/ho{gue,ag}
01:40:57 <shachaf> moon_: Is hexxley another annoying bot of yours?
01:40:57 <hexxley> dont have cloud icon to reenable it feels better than yours?
01:41:06 <hexxley> .bucket panties hexxley hexxley panties hexxley panties today?
01:41:06 <hexxley> hexxley apparently won a firetv 4k ...
01:41:15 <spockers> it's an annoying bot of mine...
01:41:35 <shachaf> hexxley: Please go away, you're being annoying.
01:41:35 <hexxley> but yeah i'm sure third party vote is the ancient disney films terrible, not knowing who will change it away, and make anything darker i haven't been having issues with something else
01:41:38 <spockers> I can remove it though, it gets a little... excessive
01:41:38 <hexxley> \ thought mine was excessive :)
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01:42:24 <shachaf> Oh, spockers *has* a markov chain bot.
01:42:32 <shachaf> Not *is* a markov chain bot.
01:42:49 <oerjan> shachaf: [citation needed]
01:44:18 <shachaf> My apologies for thinking you're a Markov chain bot.
01:44:51 <moon_> I redirected him to #esoteric-blah for hexxley
01:48:29 <boily> shachaf: that wouldn't be the first time we have a cyborg who joined our chännel...
01:48:30 <Phantom__Hoover> spockers, why would you think having it talk after every message would be a good idea??
01:48:43 <boily> myndzi: you alive?
01:54:17 <oerjan> fungot: i think you won the death match hth
01:54:27 <fungot> boily: we speak english here.
01:54:40 <moon_> hexxley has been relocated to #esoteric-blah
01:54:41 <boily> fungot: bin oui messemble.
01:54:41 <fungot> boily: you're at berkeley, the library doesn't need to so that's cool. i'd really like to know
01:54:42 <oerjan> fungot: because your opponent was so annoying it got killed hth
01:54:43 <fungot> oerjan: but i could be wrong... never looked at the problem. 2 write down something you think it couldn't be opened
01:54:57 <shachaf> fungot: no, i'm the one who's at berkeley hth
01:55:31 <shachaf> fungot: what do you think of nuclear-free zones
01:55:32 <fungot> shachaf: ( i'm away for a second you thought you did know about scheme, i can provide a debian package
01:56:12 <oerjan> i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth
01:56:43 <moon_> `quote <oerjan> i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth
01:56:46 <oerjan> (in two different senses, even)
01:56:49 <spockers> Phantom__Hoover: it's a configurable percentage, set at 50% at the moment generally and 95% on mention of its nick
01:56:54 <moon_> `addquote <oerjan> i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth
01:56:58 <HackEgo> 1281) <oerjan> i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth
01:57:24 <HackEgo> 1/2:666) <monqy> kallisti: by ordered multiset did you mean: list?????? \ 251) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. \ 338) <oklopol> so about jacuzzis, do they usually have a way to make it it not heat but freeze the water? \ 146
01:57:27 <HackEgo> 2/2:) <fungot> elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 484) <zzo38> I think Perl is a programming language too. [...] \
01:57:46 <shachaf> Sgeo_: Did you find Christ?
01:58:07 <moon_> <Sgeo_> Nope! did you?
02:05:33 <oerjan> <izabera> did cobol use base10 numbers? <-- i vaguely believe cobol has a data format description sublanguage?
02:10:36 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#USAGE_clause
02:11:10 <oerjan> but see also the preceding sections
02:12:32 <oerjan> summary: cobol is weird.
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02:17:11 <shachaf> oerjan: Well, Cohask is weird too.
02:17:23 <shachaf> That's why we don't usually use duals of languages.
02:22:23 <moon_> i've taught hexxley how to pretend to be linux, just not very well
02:24:16 <moon_> spockers: hexxley made a file :P
02:27:16 <moon_> [21:25] <hexxley> hbot: mk dtrsd//made by hexxley yo
02:28:05 <HackEgo> [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key"
02:28:34 <shachaf> A version of mk that uses echo -e could be useful.
02:28:38 <moon_> hbot had mk ported to it
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02:55:23 <moon_> hexxley is getting out of hand
02:55:25 <moon_> [21:54] <autocorrect> hexxley: Bite my shiny metal ass [21:54] <hexxley> bite my shiny
02:55:42 <moon_> same thing with the autocorrect bot
03:32:08 <Sgeo_> shachaf, that quote is missing the context of it was on April 1st
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03:44:20 <zzo38> I think it would be useful to add into Node.js (but not core JavaScript) some module that includes "createWatchedWeakMap" method; this may be useful with FFI. It creates an empty weak map, but the argument is a function which is called whenever a key is garbage collected, and the argument to the function is the value corresponding to that key in the map. (Same module also include a function to explicitly cause garbage collection)
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04:39:29 <hppavilion[1]> Is there a use for the prime factorial function `n?`?
04:47:18 <zzo38> I don't know what it is
04:51:21 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: n? is the product of all prime numbers less than or equal to n
05:13:31 <hppavilion[1]> "A particularly frequent type of stripping is not-stripping" --wikipedia
05:17:01 <hppavilion[1]> English can be communicated by speech or by text. Are there any other ways?
05:17:46 <zzo38> Those are just ways of transmitting the letters though, isn't it?
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05:39:18 <Sgeo_> `slist Homestuck Volume 10 released
05:39:27 <HackEgo> slist Homestuck Volume 10 released: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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05:53:59 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: there's Signed Exact English.
05:54:35 <shachaf> Sgeo_: more like Taneblist hth
05:55:14 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: so that'd be this function: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorial
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07:41:35 <\oren\> I should make my own bdf to ttf conversion program
07:45:31 <\oren\> The chief problem I'm having implementing hangul is that fontforge starts to kill itself
07:46:26 <\oren\> fontforge doesn't stike me as the most tersely implemented program.
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07:54:01 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: that's not even true in any positional base
07:54:49 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: wait, was the 2 superscript
07:55:07 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: um that's true in base 2
07:55:29 <hppavilion[1]> You can't switch bases in the middle of an equation
07:55:33 <oerjan> IF YOU HAVE TO BE NITPICKY.
07:55:46 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: in dc you can
07:55:47 <hppavilion[1]> I like how wikipedia's article for Saint Peter lists his occupation as "fisherman, clergyman"
07:55:51 <zzo38> I think the IPA symbols are illogical they are all different you need a new symbol each one, and some things cannot be represented easily or at all. I can propose a better system
07:56:00 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yes, but it has special notation to distinguish bases
07:56:25 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: I think there's a reason that there are different IPA symbols for each sound
07:56:57 <\oren\> well you could make some sort of procedurally-generated symbology
07:57:33 <\oren\> but that would make it harder for me to support it in my fonyt
07:58:04 <oerjan> there are many IPA diacritics too...
07:58:21 <oerjan> and some of them seem redundant with some of the symbols.
08:00:11 <zzo38> I would do you do not need such a chart to describe them, you can just write the combine of retroflex or stop or voiced or whatever, with flipping and rotating and crossed-out and so on to indicate variation, and so on. Therefore everything is easily representing without needing to define each one individually.
08:00:14 <\oren\> my font is not so good with diacritics
08:02:03 <hppavilion[1]> "Words build bridges into unexplored regions." -- Adolf Hitler
08:02:22 <oerjan> is that an accurate quote?
08:02:58 * oerjan recalls that inaccurate quote meme from a way back
08:03:17 <oerjan> where neither of picture, text or name are matched
08:03:32 <oerjan> might still be going on, i'm no longer reading those parts of reddit.
08:04:24 <\oren\> "I didn't say most of the stuff I said" -- McJagr
08:04:40 <\oren\> There the name is also spelled wrong
08:05:28 <oerjan> well i'm not sure what the correct spelling is, too many possibilities.
08:05:54 <oerjan> \oren\: i think maybe you need a misspelling in the text too
08:06:44 <oerjan> "I didnt say most of the stuff i said" -- McJagr
08:07:31 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: That one? "May the force be with you -- spock" with a picture of Dumbledore or somesuch?
08:08:15 <oerjan> oh. sorry i was in the middle of conversing with \oren\ here
08:08:43 <oerjan> UR NIKS ARE TWO SIMMILER
08:09:42 <oerjan> http://lifehacker.com/10-surprisingly-inspirational-quotes-from-evil-people-1454328362
08:10:03 <HackEgo> lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --removed --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done
08:10:22 <shachaf> `mkx bin/now//lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; cat "$f"; done
08:10:49 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: URS AN ORRENS HTH
08:11:02 <\oren\> I'm the only one here whose nick has a backslash
08:11:11 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WORDS HTH
08:12:01 <oerjan> BUT Y DIDNT HAKEGO ANSUR ME
08:12:08 <shachaf> HackEgo: why are you so slow tdnh
08:12:17 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: How could you possibly confuse us? Our names are different lengths, contain different characters, \oren\ has backslashes while I have [brackets], if any two nicks are to confuse someone it'd be yours and \oren\'s, and then only in retrospect
08:12:19 <HackEgo> cat junk/cat//cat junk/cat: no such file in rev 00959060a61f
08:13:00 <shachaf> I don't particularly like the use of "special" as an insult.
08:13:35 <\oren\> yea Dats DE OnlE rEsun I adid \ tU mI nik
08:14:05 <oerjan> i hav crayted a munster
08:14:38 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: I TRIDE VERY HARD OK
08:15:03 <hppavilion[1]> Americans saying "special" usually doesn't mean an insult; it's either what we call slow children so as not to sound offensive or tell every child they are a snowflake of quality
08:15:32 <hppavilion[1]> Then they enter the real world, and find that not everyone is going to love them and pay as much attention to them and care about their well-being as much as their mother did
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08:15:52 <hppavilion[1]> Some take it well. Others... well, you've seen tumblr
08:21:01 <\oren\> In retrospect i'm glad my parents took me traveling with them to other countries instead of going to school most years
08:22:32 <\oren\> Because what annoys me most about many of these people isn't their entitlement, it's their ignorance of the different ways of life that exist in other civilized countries from the US
08:23:46 <\oren\> They act like things that offend their tiny cultural subgorup within the US's liberal city dweller cultural group are universally bad...
08:24:24 <shachaf> I remember when I was young and learning to use computers with Microsoft Word 97. I liked the WordArt feature.
08:24:31 <shachaf> In retrospect, I was pretty entitled.
08:25:18 <\oren\> For example, nooone here in Akihabara is offended that Motoko will be played by a white woman.
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08:30:51 <\oren\> The entitlement part doesn't annoy me because I'm super entitled too.
08:31:16 <shachaf> i was actually just making a pun hth
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09:22:37 <HackEgo> Jon777: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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09:42:29 <Taneb> I'm always surprised when that happens
09:44:56 <shachaf> When you discover that this channel is about programming?
09:57:02 <qrf> Lisp-like syntax is far easier to parse than C-like expressions with infix operators and annoying precedence rules, right?
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11:14:31 <Taneb> Am I right in thinking that a topology imposes a bounded lattice on its open (and similarly closed) sets?
11:25:26 <\oren\> Taneb: *looks up lattice* sounds right to me, although i think it's a bit stronger because a topology allows infinite unions (but not infinite intersections)
11:31:24 <shachaf> Taneb: It's not just a lattice, it's a complete Heyting algebra.
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11:51:07 <Taneb> shachaf, I do not know what a Heyting algebra is
11:51:23 <shachaf> it's exactly the sort of lattice you want hth
11:51:40 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_Heyting_algebra
11:52:43 <shachaf> Or maybe you want a frame. Or a locale.
11:53:00 <shachaf> Fortunately frames and locales are just complete Heyting algebras.
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11:57:44 <shachaf> Taneb: do you invent things involving drugz
11:57:56 <Taneb> shachaf, not often
11:58:57 <shachaf> `le/rn sober space/Sober spaces are the dual of Stoned spaces. Taneb invented them.
12:02:39 <HackEgo> LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ
12:03:22 <shachaf> `learn Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking a question about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8.
12:03:37 <HackEgo> Learned 'locale': Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking a question about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8.
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12:03:46 <hppavilion[1]> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJykI0BRfFV044deqERlxQ (OskarPuzzle) has now joined the prestigious ranks of those I have subscribed to
12:04:10 <\oren\> I rarely subscribe to anyone
12:15:24 <shachaf> `le/rn stone space/Stone spaces were invented by P. T. Barnum as a hoax.
12:16:07 <shachaf> Hmm, maybe I should say they were invented by Peter "Taneb" Johnstone.
12:16:12 <shachaf> Nah, enough Tanebventions.
12:17:03 <shachaf> oerjan: that wisdom entry is a pretty good start but you'll have to finish it hth
12:17:41 <shachaf> `sled wisdom/locale//s/a question //
12:17:48 <HackEgo> wisdom/locale//Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8.
12:18:00 <shachaf> He's not in this channel, but that's OK.
12:18:16 <shachaf> A logreader's work is never done.
12:18:31 <izabera> just kill all the logwriters
12:20:22 <boily> no. they bring Balance to the Wisdom.
12:20:49 <boily> without a driving force of unlatexifiable entries, without tanebventions, I lack purpose. the Wisdom shall prevail!
12:22:36 <shachaf> `learn A frame is just a complete Heying algebra. The difference is that a frame homomorphism doesn't preserve implication, if you know what I mean.
12:22:43 <HackEgo> Learned 'frame': A frame is just a complete Heying algebra. The difference is that a frame homomorphism doesn't preserve implication, if you know what I mean.
12:23:52 <shachaf> I assume that a Heying algebra is a more casual version of what boily studies.
12:24:10 <boily> Heying or Heyting?
12:26:43 <HackEgo> wisdom/frame//A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. The difference is that a frame homomorphism doesn't preserve implication, if you know what I mean.
12:27:59 <shachaf> `sedlast s/The difference is that/However,/;s/ism doesn't/isms don't/;s/a f/f/
12:28:07 <boily> Heying algebra. indeed.
12:28:09 <HackEgo> wisdom/frame//A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. However, frame homomorphisms don't preserve implication, if you know what I mean.
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12:42:18 <HackEgo> pointless topology? ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:45:27 <shachaf> `le/rn pointless topology//Pointless topology is the kind of topology Taneb invents.
12:45:35 <HackEgo> Learned «pointless topology»
12:45:36 <shachaf> i fell into the oerjan trap
12:45:44 <HackEgo> /Pointless topology is the kind of topology Taneb invents.
12:46:04 <shachaf> s./.. and s/.// both work here.
12:46:08 <HackEgo> wisdom/pointless topology//Pointless topology is the kind of topology Taneb invents.
12:49:13 <izabera> trying to compile stuff and they use -Werror and gcc stops because misleading indentation
12:50:00 <izabera> 1) report it and wait 2) fix the indentation myself hoping i get the fix right
12:51:45 <izabera> it's inside a makefile generated by their build system
12:52:13 <izabera> ok that's unlikely but it's inside something i don't know in their build system
12:54:21 <izabera> i tried with clang and it doesn't die there, but it can't compile the next file because of -Werror,-Wlogical-not-parentheses
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13:24:23 <\oren\> try removing all indentation and unnecessary whitespace
13:25:40 <b_jonas> yes, turn off -Werror, and also report it
13:27:32 <\oren\> not sure why any warnings are useful in a production build script for end users?
13:37:11 <b_jonas> oh shut UP you stupid whatever it is beeping on the street
13:37:51 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cone_of_silence: not found
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14:11:22 <ybden> izabera: also tell them to remove -Werror from their buildscripts, it's pretty silly since that compiler updates could cause it to fail
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16:14:42 <moon_> ybden: why'd u leave? if its because of spockers' hexxley bot, ill ask him to change the precentage that controls postin
16:15:10 <ybden> moon_: well, it was also because that snapshot of yours keeps creating a directory named ybden
16:15:16 <ybden> moon_: which invariably highlights me
16:15:24 <moon_> oh, ill override that
16:15:29 <ybden> provided that I don't get random pointless highlights, I'll rejoin
16:16:10 <moon_> kk, ill talk to spockers about tuning down hexxley's posting chance when he is not mentioned
16:16:58 <ybden> moon_: well, pretty much make sure it doesn't type nicks if the nick in question isn't talking to it
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17:24:25 <zzo38> I looked more at the schematics and documentation for PC CGA, it seem there is two unused address bits for the character ROM?
17:26:14 <gamemanj> those are the voodoo bits. You use them to automatically perform mystical rituals which will summon the extra 768 characters
17:27:50 <zzo38> A version that uses them could control them by bit4 and bit5 of the 0x3D9 register (which are not otherwise used in alphanumeric mode).
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17:30:24 <zzo38> gamemanj: The schematics show that one is fixed high and one is pulled up by a resistor, although the documentation suggests that one of them is controlled by a jumper.
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17:47:18 <zzo38> One bit of status register says: "The ALPHA video output signal is readable in this status bit. Its purpose is to verify that video information is being generated for RAS purposes." What does "RAS purposes" mean?
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17:48:07 <gamemanj> Probably something like "Repair And Service"
17:49:18 <b_jonas> zzo38: my guess is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability,_availability_and_serviceability_(computing)
17:51:02 <zzo38> OK, I would guess probably it is, too
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18:14:12 <zzo38> I would think that if they did use the extra address bits like I mentioned then you could add additional 320x200 and 640x100 modes without any additional logic, with sixteen colours, selectable two in a 4x2 area or a 8x1 area.
18:14:28 <boily> “You finish putting on the +0 cloak of Distant Shores {rF+ Regen+}.” aaaaw yisss
18:15:02 <b_jonas> boily: what game is that? crawl?
18:16:17 <boily> “You finish putting on the +1 hat of Duck's Teeth {rN+}.”
18:16:26 <boily> I'm so gonna die soon...
18:16:35 <boily> one positive lever of fire resistance hth
18:18:37 <boily> same, but necrotic resistance.
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18:21:41 <boily> crawl is a fun game. I'm blasting my way through the levels with explosions and sparkles and booms :D
18:21:54 <boily> rN also covers torment.
18:23:27 <b_jonas> explosions you're immune to?
18:24:45 <tswett> I'm thinking there's an easy test for whether any given piece of Java code is good or bad.
18:24:51 <tswett> Does it contain the phrase "throws Exception"?
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18:25:45 <boily> b_jonas: depends. usual stuff is harmless to my avatar. more powerful things I have to be careful.
18:26:09 <boily> tswellott. exception handling in Java is a pain.
18:26:21 <boily> I wouldn't say "throws Exception" is bad. it's just stupid.
18:27:03 <boily> "catch (Exception e)" or "catch (Throwable e)" deserves repeated application of a sturdy clue-by-four.
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18:27:51 <tswett> Now, I don't quite remember how the hierarchy of checked and unchecked exceptions and whatnot works...
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18:29:00 <boily> I don't know, and I refuse to know. only throw the most precise exceptions, only catch exactly those that you need to handle now. everything else gets rejected when I do code review, with a sticky "-2" in Gerrit.
18:29:52 <tswett> Right, so Error and RuntimeException are the unchecked base classes. Everything else is checked.
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18:30:46 <boily> I once tried to sneak a "throw new NullPointerException()" in a patchset I submitted :D
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18:31:34 <b_jonas> boily: could you review my coworkers' code that way? I need some catches gone.
18:32:46 <moon_> boily: havocbot is online
18:33:09 <moon_> and you can tear it apart (just not the /s drive)
18:35:59 <tswett> And Error is supposed to be only for error conditions of the JVM, leaving you RuntimeException for when you want some kind of unchecked exception.
18:37:25 <moon_> boily: ybden beat you to it
18:38:38 <moon_> the bot interface and the main gentoo linux is still online
18:38:47 <moon_> even after virtual drive damage
18:39:36 <ybden> moon_: there you go
18:44:26 <zzo38> The modification to CGA that I suggested could be used to add a graphics mode similar to MSX but higher resolution and without sprites. (Wikipedia says MSX 1 can use two colours in each 8x1 area.)
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19:04:18 <boily> Koen_: how's the Euro?
19:04:56 <Koen_> to be honest I've never been a big fan of football
19:05:09 <Koen_> the world amateur go championship took place last week though
19:05:12 <moon_> hexxley just rm * 'd hbot
19:05:32 <moon_> its actually funny
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19:13:38 <moon_> Havocbot has been moved to #havocbot to evade hexxley preforming destructive commands, as ybden trained him to do so
19:14:54 <Koen_> soooo Facebook just released their go playing program
19:15:22 <Koen_> and by "released" I mean "made the sources publicly available"
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21:06:30 <zzo38> We should need to add many remote data sources that can be access by SQLite extension; you can then make SQL queries on them and can easily combine the data together, such as if you want to make a graph to compare flight delays with golf scores (in such case you would also need another extension to draw a graph).
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22:38:34 <moon_> i wonder, what should i add to havocbot
22:39:12 <zzo38> Make a video card that is design to be use with X window system; I thought of how its features would do. There are 64 palettes (two of which cannot be modified) each with 256 colours and 9 extra bits to decide which planes select red/green/blue. There are then 32 planes; six of them are used to select a palette. There are four 16x16 sprites with three colours + transparent. Memory can be accessed in XY format or Z format through the blitter.
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23:15:28 <moon_> maybe ill make a trick to render up to 16x16 images over irc
23:15:56 <moon_> using all 16 colors
23:29:19 <izabera> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2831 this is sleep sort?
23:37:21 <izabera> then the complexity is off
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