00:01:37 -!- boily has joined. 00:03:14 hi boily 00:03:18 im rnning a linux bot 00:03:45 mhelloon_! you have a bot! yay! 00:04:45 its in #esoteric-blah 00:04:48 gentoo linux bot 00:14:00 -!- evalj has joined. 00:22:23 <^v> moon_, you are referring to the BEL character right? 00:32:17 mhm 00:35:20 did cobol use base10 numbers? 00:35:58 i found a pdf where they say that cobol puts 0-9 in each nibble 00:45:17 ybden (and me) just formatted the C: drive of b_jonas's termbot 00:45:46 that's not very nice 00:45:57 he said we can ruin it tho 00:46:00 Ruby has &&= and ||= 00:47:29 nice 00:48:03 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 00:50:29 -!- ^v has joined. 00:54:41 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:55:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:57:04 hi oerjan 00:57:28 ybden has been messing with my virtual screen over hbot :P 00:57:33 high moon_ 00:58:27 oerjan, could i attempt to see how much usage havocbot will get in #esoteric so i can modify it to be less noisy? 00:58:49 i dont think a experiment crew would gather in #esoteric-blah :P 00:58:57 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:59:27 -!- ^v has joined. 01:00:40 copumpkin: hellopumpkin 01:01:41 Dobroily wieczór. 01:01:55 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:02:00 hi phantom 01:02:12 Huh, this is interesting 01:02:21 The 'di' in 'dilemma' is an actual root 01:02:28 Meaning that there's also such thing as a "trilemma" 01:02:35 Jórjan estét. 01:02:40 Which is significant enough to have a wikipedia page 01:02:53 AND it's a pretty well-documented one; not just a stub or somecuh 01:02:56 *somesuch 01:03:00 hppavellon[1], Phantom__Heloover. 01:04:26 hppavilion[1]: now look at tetralemma hth 01:05:05 So you can also have a tetralemma, pentalemma, etc. 01:05:16 And I suppose a monolemma, kind of 01:05:26 and a nillemma. 01:05:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:05:54 boily: is nil- a greek root? 01:06:20 medenlemma? 01:06:32 oerjan: nulli is latin, not sure about nil 01:06:40 Wikipedia says the greek 0 root is meden 01:06:42 There's a popular song about someone facing an undecentumlemma 01:07:01 no idea if nil- is greek, but “nillemma” sounds neat. 01:07:21 haplolemma? sesquilemma? 01:07:25 heh 01:07:28 boily: Fair enough, and we've done worse 01:07:33 "hexadecimal" 01:08:33 dodecatolemma, ogdoölemma, hectolemma, tetratolemma, tritolemma, hemilemma, monolemma 01:08:54 ecalemma 01:08:58 no 01:08:59 Huh, latin has sesqui (1.5), but also quasqui (1.25) (only in certain contexts though) 01:09:02 ekalemma 01:09:03 hppavilion[1]: ogdoö??? 01:09:20 myrialemma 01:09:23 boily: Apparently 01:09:28 -!- hbot has joined. 01:09:47 Knuth is said to prefer "senidenary" for Latin of group by sixteen 01:09:48 hbot: :(){ :|:& };: 01:09:58 What's the greek infinite? 01:10:05 countilemma and uncountilemma 01:10:24 one countilemma, ha ha ha, two countilema, ha ha ha... 01:10:55 boily: I would like to see advanced sesame street, with the count demonstrating countable and uncountable sets and such 01:11:40 googolemma 01:11:54 aleph_zero integers, ha ha ha, aleph__zero integers, ha ha ha, aleph__zero integers, ha ha ha ... 01:12:02 "You must choose exactly one of the fundamental particles in the observable universe" 01:12:02 (Other variants mentioned are "sexadecimal", "hexadecadic", and "sedenary".) 01:12:06 oops 01:12:10 wait why did havocbot join? 01:12:16 I'll stick with sexadecimal 01:12:17 urgh 01:12:19 bad bort 01:12:21 bad 01:12:27 bort bort bort ♪ 01:12:29 (1+i)lemma? 01:12:45 "Hexadecimal" or "hex" is common so what I and others will commonly use. 01:14:33 -!- hbot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:18:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:19:20 qrf sadly is unporthelloable... what should it be? <-- qrfternoon hth 01:19:52 oh wait no qr534h99h 01:20:00 hm nah 01:20:10 doesn't work 01:20:14 qrfternooner? 01:20:44 `? fternooner 01:20:59 fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry. 01:21:34 -!- hbot has joined. 01:21:50 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 01:21:51 What happened to that bot being in #-blah? 01:21:56 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b *!*hbot@*.dhcp.embarqhsd.net. 01:22:00 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 01:22:08 idk what it did 01:22:11 hth 01:22:15 i jst rolled back 01:22:30 `before bin 01:22:32 someone put a magnet to its virtual drive 01:22:51 `before is TG 01:22:54 bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo 01:23:00 help 01:23:03 `before is broken 01:23:14 I wonder whether `after would be useful. 01:23:28 `cat bin/before 01:23:30 lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done 01:23:36 `lastfiles bin 01:23:41 bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo 01:23:47 `cat bin/lastfiles 01:23:48 hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@" 01:24:13 `` hg log -l 1 bin 01:24:24 changeset: 121:8a04b0258775 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Mar 22 19:17:38 2012 +00000000 \ summary: run mv bin test; touch bin 01:24:30 Oh. hg log doesn't log changes to files inside directories? 01:24:59 shachaf: hm isn 01:25:04 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:25:08 `? isn 01:25:09 't that inconsistent with what we've seen already 01:25:09 isn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:25:13 oh 01:25:16 `before share 01:25:21 Yes, something odd is going on here. 01:25:30 share/test//share/test: no such file in rev 49d5a8654dd7 01:25:38 oops 01:25:40 more brokenness 01:25:46 `` hg log -l 1 share 01:25:54 changeset: 8166:bdb02b531ce0 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed May 25 22:01:44 2016 +00000000 \ summary: rm share/test 01:25:56 shachaf: well isn't that what you'd expect if it was a file creation 01:26:06 -!- spockers has joined. 01:26:11 But apparently it was the opposite? 01:26:15 hm or apparently the opposite 01:26:38 `` hg log --removed -l 1 share 01:26:40 qrfternoon is retrobvious. 01:26:48 changeset: 8166:bdb02b531ce0 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed May 25 22:01:44 2016 +0000000 \ summary: rm share/test 01:26:55 boily: but a bit limited in usage 01:27:09 it's a start! 01:27:15 hg log --template '{rev}\n' share 01:27:29 -!- hbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:28:23 `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share 01:28:30 8166 \ 8165 \ 8034 \ 8009 \ 8007 \ 8006 \ 8005 \ 7993 \ 7992 \ 7991 \ 7990 \ 7986 \ 7985 \ 7984 \ 7922 \ 7921 \ 7920 \ 7884 \ 7882 \ 7879 \ 7878 \ 7866 \ 7860 \ 7859 \ 7858 \ 7854 \ 7853 \ 7846 \ 7845 \ 7839 \ 7838 \ 7755 \ 7754 \ 7753 \ 7752 \ 7751 \ 7750 \ 7749 \ 7748 \ 7747 \ 7746 \ 7745 \ 7744 \ 7743 \ 7742 \ 7741 \ 7740 \ 7739 \ 7738 \ 7737 \ 01:28:45 `` hg cat -r 8166 share/test 01:28:47 `welcome spockers #i can verify he is new 01:28:59 share/test: no such file in rev bdb02b531ce0 01:29:02 spockers: #i: can: verify: he: is: new: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 01:29:03 ;p 01:29:04 `` hg cat -r 8165 share/test 01:29:11 one 01:29:43 `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share | tail -n+1 | head -n1 01:29:49 8166 01:29:53 `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share | tail -n+2 | head -n1 01:29:58 8165 01:30:16 `` hg cat -r "$(hg log --template '{rev}\n' share | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" share/test 01:30:21 moon_: you need to meditate more on HackEgo's syntax twh 01:30:25 one 01:30:37 moon_: Why are you /msging that to me instead of sending it in the channel? 01:30:54 idk 01:30:56 `? dwgtsrezxtvrsbhmt 01:30:58 dwgtsrezxtvrsbhmt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:31:55 spockers has a markov chain bot, which i found intresting and i thought would fit this channel 01:32:22 fungot: you may be up for a death match soon hth 01:32:22 oerjan: i need a better place after the commands 01:32:25 there is only one fungot and your fungot is fungot. 01:32:25 boily: i don't intend to. but even in my native poland he wasn't really helping anyway heh... " sports" 01:32:37 `lastfiles share 01:32:42 share/test 01:32:55 `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share 01:33:03 8166 \ 8165 \ 8034 \ 8009 \ 8007 \ 8006 \ 8005 \ 7993 \ 7992 \ 7991 \ 7990 \ 7986 \ 7985 \ 7984 \ 7922 \ 7921 \ 7920 \ 7884 \ 7882 \ 7879 \ 7878 \ 7866 \ 7860 \ 7859 \ 7858 \ 7854 \ 7853 \ 7846 \ 7845 \ 7839 \ 7838 \ 7755 \ 7754 \ 7753 \ 7752 \ 7751 \ 7750 \ 7749 \ 7748 \ 7747 \ 7746 \ 7745 \ 7744 \ 7743 \ 7742 \ 7741 \ 7740 \ 7739 \ 7738 \ 7737 \ 01:33:08 `` hg log --template '{rev}\n' share/test 01:33:11 8165 01:33:17 `` hg log --removed --template '{rev}\n' share/test 01:33:22 8166 \ 8165 01:33:28 `cat bin/before 01:33:29 lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done 01:33:45 `sled bin/before//s/log/log --removed/ 01:33:50 bin/before//lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --removed --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done 01:33:52 `before share/test 01:34:01 share/test//one 01:34:02 `before share 01:34:14 share/test//one 01:34:24 OK, that's one, I guess. 01:34:27 `before bin 01:34:41 bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo 01:34:48 `lastfiles bin 01:34:52 bin bin/? bin/@ bin/No bin/WELCOME bin/addquote bin/allquotes bin/calc bin/define bin/delquote bin/etymology bin/forget bin/fortune bin/frink bin/google bin/hatesgeo bin/json bin/k bin/karma bin/karma+ bin/karma- bin/learn bin/log bin/logurl bin/macro bin/marco bin/ok bin/paste bin/pastekarma bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastenquotes bin/pastequo 01:34:53 `cat bin/lastfiles 01:34:53 hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@" 01:34:56 Is this too much spam? 01:35:08 -!- iaglium_ has joined. 01:35:34 `` hg log share/test | grep ummary 01:35:46 `` hg log --removed -l 1 --template '{files}\n' bin/ 01:35:48 summary: ` cp tmp/test share/test 01:35:54 bin/before 01:35:58 Hmm. 01:36:07 `sled bin/lastfiles//s/log/log --removed/ 01:36:12 bin/lastfiles//hg log --removed -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@" 01:36:18 `before bin 01:36:28 bin/lastfiles//hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" -- "$@" 01:36:29 only one? 01:36:34 `culprits share/test 01:36:40 shachaf shachaf 01:36:43 oh. 01:37:06 `` hg log --removed share/test | grep ummary 01:37:11 summary: rm share/test \ summary: ` cp tmp/test share/test 01:37:20 oh i was just confused 01:37:21 `cat bin/hoag 01:37:22 hg log --removed --template "{desc}\n" "$@" 01:37:27 oerjan: hth 01:37:45 I get the feeling we should only ever use hg log --removed, really. 01:37:45 shachaf: thought you'd made it, although i'd forgotten you'd renamed it 01:38:11 `sled bin/hoag//s/"\$@"/-- "$@"/ 01:38:13 bin/hoag//hg log --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" 01:38:16 `sled bin/hog//s/"\$@"/-- "$@"/ 01:38:18 bin/hog//hg log --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" 01:40:02 -!- hexxley has joined. 01:40:24 `` hg log --template '{desc}\n' bin/hoag 01:40:24 `welcome hexxley 01:40:25 hexxley 01:40:31 sled bin/hoag//s/"\\$@"/-- "$@"/ \ ` mv bin/ho{gue,ag} 01:40:31 \ calls to objc_msgsend?! 01:40:33 `` hg log -f --template '{desc}\n' bin/hoag 01:40:34 hexxley: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 01:40:34 hit me if one that released to desktop platform information, and creates pseudo-packages from that whole apple are you asking for when i dont know what i was not the conflict of you from the volume up it started yet 01:40:38 sled bin/hoag//s/"\\$@"/-- "$@"/ \ ` mv bin/ho{gue,ag} \ mkx bin/hogue//hg log --removed --template "{desc}\\n" "$@" \ mkx bin/hogue//hg log --remvoed --template "{desc} 01:40:39 sled bin/hoag//s/\\$@/-- $@/ \ ` mv bin/ho{gue,ag} 01:40:57 moon_: Is hexxley another annoying bot of yours? 01:40:57 dont have cloud icon to reenable it feels better than yours? 01:41:02 No 01:41:06 ^echo hi hexxley 01:41:06 hi hexxley hi hexxley 01:41:06 .bucket panties hexxley hexxley panties hexxley panties today? 01:41:06 hexxley apparently won a firetv 4k ... 01:41:13 oh. 01:41:15 it's an annoying bot of mine... 01:41:15 btter than mine... 01:41:35 hexxley: Please go away, you're being annoying. 01:41:35 but yeah i'm sure third party vote is the ancient disney films terrible, not knowing who will change it away, and make anything darker i haven't been having issues with something else 01:41:38 I can remove it though, it gets a little... excessive 01:41:38 \ thought mine was excessive :) 01:41:47 -!- hexxley has quit (Client Quit). 01:42:24 Oh, spockers *has* a markov chain bot. 01:42:32 lol yeah 01:42:32 Not *is* a markov chain bot. 01:42:39 sometimes I wonder 01:42:49 shachaf: [citation needed] 01:44:18 My apologies for thinking you're a Markov chain bot. 01:44:29 *hahahahaha* 01:44:51 I redirected him to #esoteric-blah for hexxley 01:48:29 shachaf: that wouldn't be the first time we have a cyborg who joined our chännel... 01:48:30 spockers, why would you think having it talk after every message would be a good idea?? 01:48:43 myndzi: you alive? 01:49:53 /o/ 01:50:00 ripip 01:53:46 oh it did that 01:54:17 fungot: i think you won the death match hth 01:54:17 oerjan: the " why" 01:54:26 fungot: the who? 01:54:27 boily: we speak english here. 01:54:40 hexxley has been relocated to #esoteric-blah 01:54:41 fungot: bin oui messemble. 01:54:41 boily: you're at berkeley, the library doesn't need to so that's cool. i'd really like to know 01:54:42 fungot: because your opponent was so annoying it got killed hth 01:54:43 oerjan: but i could be wrong... never looked at the problem. 2 write down something you think it couldn't be opened 01:54:57 fungot: no, i'm the one who's at berkeley hth 01:54:57 shachaf: i need to 01:55:31 fungot: what do you think of nuclear-free zones 01:55:32 shachaf: ( i'm away for a second you thought you did know about scheme, i can provide a debian package 01:56:12 i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth 01:56:28 lol 01:56:43 `quote i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth 01:56:45 No output. 01:56:46 (in two different senses, even) 01:56:49 Phantom__Hoover: it's a configurable percentage, set at 50% at the moment generally and 95% on mention of its nick 01:56:54 `addquote i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth 01:56:58 1281) i don't approve of nuclear-free zones; without nuclei we'd not exist hth 01:57:21 `5 01:57:24 1/2:666) kallisti: by ordered multiset did you mean: list?????? \ 251) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. \ 338) so about jacuzzis, do they usually have a way to make it it not heat but freeze the water? \ 146 01:57:25 `spam 01:57:27 2/2:) elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 484) I think Perl is a programming language too. [...] \ 01:57:46 Sgeo_: Did you find Christ? 01:58:07 Nope! did you? 02:05:33 did cobol use base10 numbers? <-- i vaguely believe cobol has a data format description sublanguage? 02:05:43 i know 0 cobol 02:05:53 so idk 02:06:33 was just interested in it 02:10:36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#USAGE_clause 02:11:10 but see also the preceding sections 02:12:32 summary: cobol is weird. 02:15:44 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:16:24 i agree oerjan 02:17:11 oerjan: Well, Cohask is weird too. 02:17:23 That's why we don't usually use duals of languages. 02:22:23 i've taught hexxley how to pretend to be linux, just not very well 02:24:16 spockers: hexxley made a file :P 02:27:16 [21:25] hbot: mk dtrsd//made by hexxley yo 02:28:04 `cat bin/mk 02:28:05 ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" 02:28:34 A version of mk that uses echo -e could be useful. 02:28:38 hbot had mk ported to it 02:42:21 -!- boily has quit (Quit: AUTONOMOUS CHICKEN). 02:42:24 `` echo test\nho 02:42:26 testnho 02:43:02 -!- iaglium_ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 02:43:31 `` echo "test\nho" 02:43:33 test\nho 02:46:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:55:23 hexxley is getting out of hand 02:55:25 [21:54] hexxley: Bite my shiny metal ass [21:54] bite my shiny 02:55:42 same thing with the autocorrect bot 03:32:08 shachaf, that quote is missing the context of it was on April 1st 03:33:03 OK, but did you? 03:34:56 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:37:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:44:20 I think it would be useful to add into Node.js (but not core JavaScript) some module that includes "createWatchedWeakMap" method; this may be useful with FFI. It creates an empty weak map, but the argument is a function which is called whenever a key is garbage collected, and the argument to the function is the value corresponding to that key in the map. (Same module also include a function to explicitly cause garbage collection) 04:09:25 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)). 04:33:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:35:47 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 04:39:15 The Pólya conjecture is friggin weird 04:39:29 Is there a use for the prime factorial function `n?`? 04:47:18 I don't know what it is 04:51:21 zzo38: n? is the product of all prime numbers less than or equal to n 04:51:33 OK 05:13:31 "A particularly frequent type of stripping is not-stripping" --wikipedia 05:17:01 English can be communicated by speech or by text. Are there any other ways? 05:17:10 morse 05:17:31 semaphore 05:17:46 Those are just ways of transmitting the letters though, isn't it? 05:18:25 naval flag signals 05:39:01 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:39:18 `slist Homestuck Volume 10 released 05:39:27 slist Homestuck Volume 10 released: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 05:40:18 AAAAAAA 05:40:49 -!- clog has joined. 05:40:55 WHEEEEEEW 05:41:04 BBBBBBA 05:53:59 hppavilion[1]: there's Signed Exact English. 05:54:35 Sgeo_: more like Taneblist hth 05:55:14 hppavilion[1]: so that'd be this function: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorial 05:58:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:19:19 Sgeo_, ... 06:19:24 Oh, an album? 06:21:57 yes 06:24:01 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:30:35 -!- bender has joined. 07:11:54 -!- bender has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:28:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:40:38 "9 = 32" -- wikipedia 07:41:35 <\oren\> I should make my own bdf to ttf conversion program 07:45:31 <\oren\> The chief problem I'm having implementing hangul is that fontforge starts to kill itself 07:46:26 <\oren\> fontforge doesn't stike me as the most tersely implemented program. 07:54:00 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:54:01 hppavilion[1]: that's not even true in any positional base 07:54:49 hppavilion[1]: wait, was the 2 superscript 07:54:50 oerjan: Well yeah, neither is 2 = 10 07:54:56 oerjan: ...no 07:55:07 hppavilion[1]: um that's true in base 2 07:55:20 oerjan: No, in base 2, 2 isn't a valid symbol 07:55:26 WELL... 07:55:29 You can't switch bases in the middle of an equation 07:55:33 IF YOU HAVE TO BE NITPICKY. 07:55:46 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: in dc you can 07:55:47 I like how wikipedia's article for Saint Peter lists his occupation as "fisherman, clergyman" 07:55:51 I think the IPA symbols are illogical they are all different you need a new symbol each one, and some things cannot be represented easily or at all. I can propose a better system 07:56:00 \oren\: Yes, but it has special notation to distinguish bases 07:56:25 zzo38: I think there's a reason that there are different IPA symbols for each sound 07:56:52 Namely, IPA is for unambiguously conveying sounds 07:56:57 <\oren\> well you could make some sort of procedurally-generated symbology 07:57:33 <\oren\> but that would make it harder for me to support it in my fonyt 07:58:04 there are many IPA diacritics too... 07:58:21 and some of them seem redundant with some of the symbols. 08:00:11 I would do you do not need such a chart to describe them, you can just write the combine of retroflex or stop or voiced or whatever, with flipping and rotating and crossed-out and so on to indicate variation, and so on. Therefore everything is easily representing without needing to define each one individually. 08:00:14 <\oren\> my font is not so good with diacritics 08:02:03 "Words build bridges into unexplored regions." -- Adolf Hitler 08:02:22 is that an accurate quote? 08:02:58 * oerjan recalls that inaccurate quote meme from a way back 08:03:17 where neither of picture, text or name are matched 08:03:32 might still be going on, i'm no longer reading those parts of reddit. 08:04:24 <\oren\> "I didn't say most of the stuff I said" -- McJagr 08:04:40 <\oren\> There the name is also spelled wrong 08:05:28 well i'm not sure what the correct spelling is, too many possibilities. 08:05:54 \oren\: i think maybe you need a misspelling in the text too 08:06:44 "I didnt say most of the stuff i said" -- McJagr 08:06:51 maybe too subtle 08:06:57 oerjan: Google says so 08:07:27 says what 08:07:31 oerjan: That one? "May the force be with you -- spock" with a picture of Dumbledore or somesuch? 08:07:42 oerjan: That it's an accurate quote 08:08:15 oh. sorry i was in the middle of conversing with \oren\ here 08:08:43 UR NIKS ARE TWO SIMMILER 08:09:30 `cat bin/before 08:09:42 http://lifehacker.com/10-surprisingly-inspirational-quotes-from-evil-people-1454328362 08:09:56 `bin/before cat 08:10:03 lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r "$(hg log --removed --template '{rev}\n' "$f" | tail -n+2 | head -n1)" "$f"; done 08:10:22 `mkx bin/now//lastfiles "$@" | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; cat "$f"; done 08:10:32 oerjan: Wait, HOOS NIKS? 08:10:49 hppavilion[1]: URS AN ORRENS HTH 08:11:02 <\oren\> I'm the only one here whose nick has a backslash 08:11:11 oerjan: I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WORDS HTH 08:11:22 WURDS R FINE 08:12:01 BUT Y DIDNT HAKEGO ANSUR ME 08:12:08 HackEgo: why are you so slow tdnh 08:12:16 the dogs now howl 08:12:17 oerjan: How could you possibly confuse us? Our names are different lengths, contain different characters, \oren\ has backslashes while I have [brackets], if any two nicks are to confuse someone it'd be yours and \oren\'s, and then only in retrospect 08:12:19 cat junk/cat//cat junk/cat: no such file in rev 00959060a61f 08:12:23 bin/now 08:12:34 YAI 08:12:37 HackEgo isn't slow, e's just special 08:13:00 I don't particularly like the use of "special" as an insult. 08:13:35 <\oren\> yea Dats DE OnlE rEsun I adid \ tU mI nik 08:13:59 shachaf: I didn't use it as an insult? 08:14:05 i hav crayted a munster 08:14:14 shachaf: Oh, that's a british thing IIRC 08:14:38 hppavilion[1]: I TRIDE VERY HARD OK 08:15:03 Americans saying "special" usually doesn't mean an insult; it's either what we call slow children so as not to sound offensive or tell every child they are a snowflake of quality 08:15:32 Then they enter the real world, and find that not everyone is going to love them and pay as much attention to them and care about their well-being as much as their mother did 08:15:50 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:15:52 Some take it well. Others... well, you've seen tumblr 08:19:09 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: savage 08:21:01 <\oren\> In retrospect i'm glad my parents took me traveling with them to other countries instead of going to school most years 08:22:32 <\oren\> Because what annoys me most about many of these people isn't their entitlement, it's their ignorance of the different ways of life that exist in other civilized countries from the US 08:23:46 <\oren\> They act like things that offend their tiny cultural subgorup within the US's liberal city dweller cultural group are universally bad... 08:24:24 I remember when I was young and learning to use computers with Microsoft Word 97. I liked the WordArt feature. 08:24:31 In retrospect, I was pretty entitled. 08:25:18 <\oren\> For example, nooone here in Akihabara is offended that Motoko will be played by a white woman. 08:26:29 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:30:51 <\oren\> The entitlement part doesn't annoy me because I'm super entitled too. 08:31:16 i was actually just making a pun hth 08:32:28 <\oren\> Oh 08:32:42 <\oren\> oigeditnao 08:36:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:44:41 -!- Frooxius has joined. 09:22:09 -!- Jon777 has joined. 09:22:12 hello 09:22:27 anyone around 09:22:29 `welcome Jon777 09:22:37 Jon777: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 09:22:49 ohhh 09:22:51 programming 09:22:53 nvm 09:22:56 -!- Jon777 has left. 09:42:29 I'm always surprised when that happens 09:44:56 When you discover that this channel is about programming? 09:54:31 Yes 09:57:02 Lisp-like syntax is far easier to parse than C-like expressions with infix operators and annoying precedence rules, right? 09:59:05 <\oren\> mmm... maybe 10:06:06 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: (N (i t) e)). 10:06:17 -!- Froox has joined. 10:09:51 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 10:11:31 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 10:38:17 -!- gamemanj has joined. 11:14:31 Am I right in thinking that a topology imposes a bounded lattice on its open (and similarly closed) sets? 11:25:26 <\oren\> Taneb: *looks up lattice* sounds right to me, although i think it's a bit stronger because a topology allows infinite unions (but not infinite intersections) 11:31:24 Taneb: It's not just a lattice, it's a complete Heyting algebra. 11:47:24 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:48:36 -!- boily has joined. 11:51:07 shachaf, I do not know what a Heyting algebra is 11:51:23 it's exactly the sort of lattice you want hth 11:51:38 well, when it's complete 11:51:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_Heyting_algebra 11:52:43 Or maybe you want a frame. Or a locale. 11:53:00 Fortunately frames and locales are just complete Heyting algebras. 11:57:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:57:25 -!- heroux has joined. 11:57:44 Taneb: do you invent things involving drugz 11:57:56 shachaf, not often 11:58:57 `le/rn sober space/Sober spaces are the dual of Stoned spaces. Taneb invented them. 12:00:02 Learned «sober space» 12:02:38 `locale 12:02:39 LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ 12:03:22 `learn Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking a question about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. 12:03:37 Learned 'locale': Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking a question about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. 12:03:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 12:03:46 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJykI0BRfFV044deqERlxQ (OskarPuzzle) has now joined the prestigious ranks of those I have subscribed to 12:04:10 <\oren\> I rarely subscribe to anyone 12:05:42 \oren\: He does gears 12:06:11 He made irrational gears 12:15:24 `le/rn stone space/Stone spaces were invented by P. T. Barnum as a hoax. 12:15:35 Learned «stone space» 12:16:07 Hmm, maybe I should say they were invented by Peter "Taneb" Johnstone. 12:16:12 Nah, enough Tanebventions. 12:17:03 oerjan: that wisdom entry is a pretty good start but you'll have to finish it hth 12:17:37 is oerjan awake? 12:17:41 `sled wisdom/locale//s/a question // 12:17:48 wisdom/locale//Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. 12:17:50 I don't know. 12:18:00 He's not in this channel, but that's OK. 12:18:16 A logreader's work is never done. 12:18:31 just kill all the logwriters 12:20:22 no. they bring Balance to the Wisdom. 12:20:49 without a driving force of unlatexifiable entries, without tanebventions, I lack purpose. the Wisdom shall prevail! 12:22:36 `learn A frame is just a complete Heying algebra. The difference is that a frame homomorphism doesn't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. 12:22:43 Learned 'frame': A frame is just a complete Heying algebra. The difference is that a frame homomorphism doesn't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. 12:23:00 `sedlast s/y/yt/ 12:23:52 I assume that a Heying algebra is a more casual version of what boily studies. 12:24:10 Heying or Heyting? 12:24:37 what do I study? 12:25:18 No output. 12:25:19 Helloing algebra? 12:26:12 `sedlast s/y/yt/ 12:26:43 wisdom/frame//A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. The difference is that a frame homomorphism doesn't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. 12:27:59 `sedlast s/The difference is that/However,/;s/ism doesn't/isms don't/;s/a f/f/ 12:28:01 * boily facepalms 12:28:07 Heying algebra. indeed. 12:28:09 wisdom/frame//A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. However, frame homomorphisms don't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. 12:29:42 -!- zxccz has joined. 12:31:19 -!- zxccz has quit (Client Quit). 12:34:42 -!- heroux_ has joined. 12:35:19 -!- heroux has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:35:25 -!- heroux_ has changed nick to heroux. 12:42:15 `? pointless topology 12:42:18 pointless topology? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:45:27 `le/rn pointless topology//Pointless topology is the kind of topology Taneb invents. 12:45:31 curses 12:45:35 Learned «pointless topology» 12:45:36 i fell into the oerjan trap 12:45:41 `? pointless topology 12:45:44 ​/Pointless topology is the kind of topology Taneb invents. 12:45:56 `sedlast s./.. 12:46:04 s./.. and s/.// both work here. 12:46:08 wisdom/pointless topology//Pointless topology is the kind of topology Taneb invents. 12:46:48 `? ism 12:46:50 ism? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:49:13 trying to compile stuff and they use -Werror and gcc stops because misleading indentation 12:49:20 what do 12:50:00 1) report it and wait 2) fix the indentation myself hoping i get the fix right 12:50:34 3) turn off -Werror 12:51:45 it's inside a makefile generated by their build system 12:52:13 ok that's unlikely but it's inside something i don't know in their build system 12:54:21 i tried with clang and it doesn't die there, but it can't compile the next file because of -Werror,-Wlogical-not-parentheses 13:21:51 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DELIVERED CHICKEN). 13:24:23 <\oren\> try removing all indentation and unnecessary whitespace 13:25:40 yes, turn off -Werror, and also report it 13:27:32 <\oren\> not sure why any warnings are useful in a production build script for end users? 13:37:11 oh shut UP you stupid whatever it is beeping on the street 13:37:48 `cone_of_silence 13:37:51 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cone_of_silence: not found 14:09:36 -!- iaglium_ has joined. 14:11:22 izabera: also tell them to remove -Werror from their buildscripts, it's pretty silly since that compiler updates could cause it to fail 14:19:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:42:43 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:18:25 -!- iaglium_ has quit (Quit: Bed Time). 15:21:49 -!- iaglium has joined. 15:30:05 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:32:29 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:10:38 -!- moon_ has joined. 16:10:42 -!- augur has joined. 16:14:42 ybden: why'd u leave? if its because of spockers' hexxley bot, ill ask him to change the precentage that controls postin 16:15:10 moon_: well, it was also because that snapshot of yours keeps creating a directory named ybden 16:15:16 moon_: which invariably highlights me 16:15:24 oh, ill override that 16:15:29 provided that I don't get random pointless highlights, I'll rejoin 16:16:10 kk, ill talk to spockers about tuning down hexxley's posting chance when he is not mentioned 16:16:58 moon_: well, pretty much make sure it doesn't type nicks if the nick in question isn't talking to it 16:25:08 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 16:26:55 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:28:26 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:29:35 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:46:06 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 16:50:10 -!- heroux has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 16:56:32 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 17:14:57 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:24:25 I looked more at the schematics and documentation for PC CGA, it seem there is two unused address bits for the character ROM? 17:26:14 those are the voodoo bits. You use them to automatically perform mystical rituals which will summon the extra 768 characters 17:27:50 A version that uses them could control them by bit4 and bit5 of the 0x3D9 register (which are not otherwise used in alphanumeric mode). 17:30:08 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:30:24 gamemanj: The schematics show that one is fixed high and one is pulled up by a resistor, although the documentation suggests that one of them is controlled by a jumper. 17:40:55 -!- heroux has joined. 17:41:15 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:43:42 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:47:18 One bit of status register says: "The ALPHA video output signal is readable in this status bit. Its purpose is to verify that video information is being generated for RAS purposes." What does "RAS purposes" mean? 17:47:35 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 17:48:07 Probably something like "Repair And Service" 17:48:23 OK 17:49:18 zzo38: my guess is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability,_availability_and_serviceability_(computing) 17:51:02 OK, I would guess probably it is, too 17:52:22 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:04:34 -!- boily has joined. 18:14:12 I would think that if they did use the extra address bits like I mentioned then you could add additional 320x200 and 640x100 modes without any additional logic, with sixteen colours, selectable two in a 4x2 area or a 8x1 area. 18:14:28 “You finish putting on the +0 cloak of Distant Shores {rF+ Regen+}.” aaaaw yisss 18:15:02 boily: what game is that? crawl? 18:16:02 b_jellonas. yup! 18:16:17 “You finish putting on the +1 hat of Duck's Teeth {rN+}.” 18:16:25 what's "rF+"? 18:16:26 I'm so gonna die soon... 18:16:35 one positive lever of fire resistance hth 18:16:36 fire resistance? 18:16:45 hmm no 18:16:48 I dunno 18:16:54 ah 18:17:03 then what's "rN+"? 18:18:37 same, but necrotic resistance. 18:18:57 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:21:06 ah 18:21:17 drain resistance 18:21:41 crawl is a fun game. I'm blasting my way through the levels with explosions and sparkles and booms :D 18:21:54 rN also covers torment. 18:23:27 explosions you're immune to? 18:24:45 I'm thinking there's an easy test for whether any given piece of Java code is good or bad. 18:24:51 Does it contain the phrase "throws Exception"? 18:24:53 If so, it's bad. 18:25:18 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:25:45 b_jonas: depends. usual stuff is harmless to my avatar. more powerful things I have to be careful. 18:26:09 tswellott. exception handling in Java is a pain. 18:26:21 I wouldn't say "throws Exception" is bad. it's just stupid. 18:27:03 "catch (Exception e)" or "catch (Throwable e)" deserves repeated application of a sturdy clue-by-four. 18:27:27 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:27:51 Now, I don't quite remember how the hierarchy of checked and unchecked exceptions and whatnot works... 18:28:19 -!- moon_ has joined. 18:29:00 I don't know, and I refuse to know. only throw the most precise exceptions, only catch exactly those that you need to handle now. everything else gets rejected when I do code review, with a sticky "-2" in Gerrit. 18:29:52 Right, so Error and RuntimeException are the unchecked base classes. Everything else is checked. 18:30:16 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 18:30:46 I once tried to sneak a "throw new NullPointerException()" in a patchset I submitted :D 18:30:49 boily: yup 18:30:51 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:31:34 boily: could you review my coworkers' code that way? I need some catches gone. 18:32:46 boily: havocbot is online 18:33:09 and you can tear it apart (just not the /s drive) 18:35:59 And Error is supposed to be only for error conditions of the JVM, leaving you RuntimeException for when you want some kind of unchecked exception. 18:37:25 boily: ybden beat you to it 18:37:30 hbot is rekt 18:37:43 aurgh! 18:38:28 not fully tho 18:38:38 the bot interface and the main gentoo linux is still online 18:38:41 and functional 18:38:47 even after virtual drive damage 18:39:36 moon_: there you go 18:40:18 sys.revive 18:44:26 The modification to CGA that I suggested could be used to add a graphics mode similar to MSX but higher resolution and without sprites. (Wikipedia says MSX 1 can use two colours in each 8x1 area.) 18:51:50 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:56:32 Koenjour_! 19:01:08 helloily 19:03:06 quinthellopia! 19:03:38 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:04:18 Koen_: how's the Euro? 19:04:56 to be honest I've never been a big fan of football 19:05:09 the world amateur go championship took place last week though 19:05:12 hexxley just rm * 'd hbot 19:05:32 its actually funny 19:11:18 -!- augur has joined. 19:13:38 Havocbot has been moved to #havocbot to evade hexxley preforming destructive commands, as ybden trained him to do so 19:14:54 soooo Facebook just released their go playing program 19:15:22 and by "released" I mean "made the sources publicly available" 19:21:10 -!- yorick has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 19:22:27 -!- yorick has joined. 19:22:27 -!- yorick has quit (Changing host). 19:22:27 -!- yorick has joined. 19:26:27 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:30:05 -!- Vorpal has joined. 19:32:51 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:39:50 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FURRY CHICKEN). 19:44:02 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:46:56 -!- Koen_ has joined. 19:55:44 -!- shikhin has changed nick to chrono^Wshikhin. 19:55:55 -!- chrono^Wshikhin has changed nick to shikhin. 19:57:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 20:03:18 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 20:12:05 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:12:21 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:14:27 -!- Frooxius has joined. 20:23:29 -!- xkapastel has joined. 20:30:36 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 20:41:04 -!- hwpplayer1 has left. 20:55:14 join/quit spam broken 21:06:30 We should need to add many remote data sources that can be access by SQLite extension; you can then make SQL queries on them and can easily combine the data together, such as if you want to make a graph to compare flight delays with golf scores (in such case you would also need another extension to draw a graph). 21:12:21 -!- xfix has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:19:47 -!- augur has joined. 21:39:24 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 21:46:43 -!- shikhin has changed nick to idraumr. 21:47:19 -!- idraumr has changed nick to shikhin. 21:58:26 -!- xfix has joined. 22:09:48 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:10:41 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:10:45 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 22:16:43 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:21:18 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:32:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:35:16 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:38:34 i wonder, what should i add to havocbot 22:39:12 Make a video card that is design to be use with X window system; I thought of how its features would do. There are 64 palettes (two of which cannot be modified) each with 256 colours and 9 extra bits to decide which planes select red/green/blue. There are then 32 planes; six of them are used to select a palette. There are four 16x16 sprites with three colours + transparent. Memory can be accessed in XY format or Z format through the blitter. 22:53:01 -!- augur has joined. 23:07:34 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:15:28 maybe ill make a trick to render up to 16x16 images over irc 23:15:56 using all 16 colors 23:29:19 http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2831 this is sleep sort? 23:37:08 izabera: Yes. 23:37:21 then the complexity is off 23:59:14 -!- augur has joined.