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00:05:59 <quintopia> not much you can do to prevent simple names from being duplicated
00:06:13 <quintopia> see the two different languages called "Clue" already on the wiki
00:07:02 <oerjan> it happens surprisingly rarely
00:07:57 <quintopia> i've dissuaded someone from naming a language "Grasp" at least once, despite the fact that the barely-extant language of that name isn't even on the wiki...
00:08:48 <oerjan> <shachaf> Taneb: If I'm to follow my dream, I'll need to go around a big house with empty rooms and fill up a garbage bag somehow. <-- i'd prefer not to follow my most recent dream, as it was happening in a totalitarian state with strict thought control tdnh
00:09:04 <shachaf> oerjan: but were you the overlord?
00:09:06 <oerjan> (although there were some rebels.)
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00:17:15 <boily> he's attending panels and posters and cocktails with hairy and optical people.
00:17:54 <oerjan> . o O ( a clash of dental and optical people )
00:19:04 <APic> As long as they Mentals are out…
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00:20:12 <oerjan> . o O ( nairy and dental )
00:20:43 * oerjan realizes for the first time that Nair is a portmanteau
00:20:56 <boily> I believe there's a strong correlation between hair length and mathematical skills.
00:21:02 <oerjan> well, possibly the first time.
00:22:36 <oerjan> it may be strong, but it's not essential. look at terry tao.
00:23:38 <boily> hair length integer overflow.
00:26:03 <shachaf> oerjan: what is "thausible" twh
00:26:22 <boily> `culprits wisdom/thausiblee
00:26:34 <oerjan> also, look at alexander grothendieck.
00:26:53 <oerjan> (the first google images hit on "bald mathematician")
00:27:23 <boily> counter-establishment anarcho-mathematician hth
00:45:26 <izabera> is this spam? https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/44459/why-do-people-create-fictional-languages
00:53:23 <quintopia> the link is a footnote, an interesting aside
00:53:31 <quintopia> advertising it doesn't seem to be the main point
00:53:56 <quintopia> and the item in question has gotten a lot of press lately, so it's not surprising for it to appear here
00:56:18 <izabera> how well does that thing work?
00:56:42 <quintopia> is "spastic fit" the correct way to translate "seizure" into Victorian English?
00:58:30 <quintopia> exactly how you'd expect: record speech, convert to text, send to app, parse and translate, TTS, send back to ear piece.
00:58:54 <quintopia> the trick is that all the translation is done within the app rather than in the cloud, so no internet connection needed.
01:01:16 <boily> quintopia: the bro is a grad student. he's doing his masters atm hth
01:01:17 <izabera> google translate is okish for short sentences
01:04:32 <quintopia> no one knows how well it works, as it hasn't been sold yet
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01:10:38 <quintopia> boily: and you? you are alone and desperate for attention? :P
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01:14:21 <boily> quintopia: in a permanent state of despair and existential anguish.
01:19:43 <boily> they could, but I'm eating tortellinis >_>'...
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01:27:02 <quintopia> if Negro was considered taboo in the 1860s, what was considered acceptable?
01:31:02 <oerjan> https://nixos.org/nix/
01:31:38 <oerjan> i think negro was considered excessively polite
01:33:07 <oerjan> ...how did i paste that link.
01:33:29 <oerjan> i know where i got it from.
01:33:38 <oerjan> the question is wtf did i paste it.
01:34:09 <oerjan> and we'll just skip over the damn brain.
01:34:10 <moon_> shhhhh dont be mean to them, the can dissappear at will!
01:34:27 <moon_> we dont want a world without keyboards :P
01:34:47 <moon_> world without fingers is many times worse
01:35:13 <oerjan> we'll just use mecha claws hth
01:35:30 <moon_> how would we make em? No fingers
01:35:47 <oerjan> have you seen what those toe painters can do
01:35:55 <oerjan> shouldn't be a problem.
01:36:30 <shachaf> wouldn't we need mecha lawyers first
01:36:30 <moon_> we cant assemble mecha claws without delicate presicion
01:36:41 * oerjan wonders how long it would take dolphins to develop suitable gripping tools if they put their mind to it
01:36:57 <moon_> in around 3-5 minutes
01:37:18 <moon_> hbot will be running on a minimal debian installation (base utilitys only)
01:37:26 <moon_> (with gcc, i hope)
01:37:33 <moon_> (if not, dpkg power)
01:37:58 <oerjan> moon_: i shall misquote a certain dwarf from somewhere: "with just stones and sticks he could build tools. with those tools he could build other tools. with those tools he could build anything."
01:38:16 <oerjan> (i think it may have been discworld?)
01:38:43 <moon_> i just poped off a key from my keyboard
01:39:10 <moon_> warning: do not hold my crumb filled keyboard above your head
01:40:24 <oerjan> i think the crumbs in my keyboard have shifted again, it's been a while since i noticed the left arrow key missing presses
01:41:05 <moon_> its possible to se my most used keys
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01:41:28 <moon_> 'wasdetvcuio' in decending order
01:41:35 <oerjan> (ironically, it started going bad just _after_ it been at service with a full internal cleaning)
01:42:22 <moon_> i play video games
01:42:27 <moon_> i used to play them all the time
01:42:31 * oerjan doesn't play that many games. mostly tatham's puzzles, which don't use wasd.
01:42:33 <moon_> until i discovered #esoteric
01:43:13 <moon_> how ta fuck did eyelashes get under the numpad 0?
01:43:25 <oerjan> you inspected too closely?
01:43:59 <moon_> keyboards are disgusting
01:44:12 <moon_> i just quoted XKCD
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01:45:09 <oerjan> https://xkcd.com/237/ for those following along from home.
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01:45:32 <oerjan> <oerjan> https://xkcd.com/237/ for those following along from home.
01:45:34 <moon_> the grim on my keyboard is like gum o.o
01:45:52 <oerjan> i don't think my keyboard is _that_ grimy.
01:46:18 <oerjan> you probably need some kind of solvent.
01:46:36 <moon_> im going to scrub this thing to death tommorow >_>
01:47:07 <oerjan> just don't make that literal
01:47:28 <quintopia> oerjan: in the U.S. of that time "Negro" had been too long associated with "slave" to be considered polite. It wasn't until the early 20th that it came back into polite usage.
01:48:09 <moon_> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujhij8ijnuijijhjhj8jjj8ji8ujjhjhujjjuuj8uijjjjjhjhyhyhjyhyhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyhmikkj9jkiuyhhghguhuhuhuhuhhhgygyghghgyhhhhhyhyuhhy7yh77y7tt7h7y77t7ttb7
01:48:10 <oerjan> quintopia: so you were _not_ mistyping 1960s?
01:48:32 <oerjan> moon_: i try to avoid doing such things with windows in focus hth
01:48:44 <oerjan> (not always successfully)
01:49:47 <oerjan> . o O ( does wikipedia have a chart of the historical development of that euphemism treadmill )
01:51:15 <moon_> havocbot will be put online via debian in just a few minutes
01:52:32 <moon_> tip: never run apt list directly
01:54:31 <oerjan> "Etymologically, the eupheme is the opposite of the blaspheme "evil-speaking." The term euphemism itself was used as a euphemism by the ancient Greeks, meaning "to keep a holy silence" (speaking well by not speaking at all)."
01:56:53 <shachaf> "euphemism" sounds like it would have more of an itymology
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01:57:29 <quintopia> oerjan: frying pan needed in aisle 4
01:58:12 <oerjan> quintopia: i cannot, itymology is an official term hth
01:58:15 <moon_> i got the root password done wrong, i didnt type the right one
01:59:31 <shachaf> oerjan: But did I ever get swatted for it before it was official?
01:59:39 <shachaf> Assuming it was my term. I can't remember.
01:59:50 <shachaf> `1 hg log wisdom/itymology
02:00:41 <shachaf> `1 hg log wisdom/itymology
02:00:52 <HackEgo> 1/1:changeset: 7632:d34b4bb2e28f \ user: HackBot \ date: Sat Apr 30 04:26:19 2016 +0000000 \ summary: <oerjan> learn Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement. \ \
02:01:46 <moon_> what file should i edit using the recovery shell?
02:01:52 <moon_> to reset the root password?
02:02:09 <oerjan> does /etc/passwd work these days
02:03:21 <moon_> and what does etc/passwd usually contain (like a example)
02:03:46 * oerjan is just wildly guessing. certainly it doesn't contain passwords these days.
02:03:57 <oerjan> in fact it's world readable on this server.
02:05:38 <moon_> NOW havocbot will be up in a few minutes
02:05:46 <moon_> and no root privs >_>
02:06:28 <moon_> any requests for installed software? :P
02:06:37 <moon_> im planning on GHC by the way
02:07:49 <moon_> oerjan? any requests?
02:09:43 <oerjan> i'm not planning to use it so...
02:11:00 <moon_> ybden: any requests for software on havocbot 2.0? :P
02:16:31 <moon_> can i have a list of commands that can be used to shut down linux?
02:18:09 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: shutdown: not found
02:18:14 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quit: not found
02:18:15 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: exit: not found
02:18:23 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logout: not found
02:19:17 <oerjan> i'd assume none are supposed to do that without superuser privileges
02:20:02 <moon_> how can i prevent the bot from running those on my debian virtual machine?
02:20:30 <oerjan> and also, that with superuser privileges you can pretty much bootstrap whatever power you want
02:20:55 <moon_> also, the bot has no superuser privs
02:21:02 <oerjan> just but creating a raw binary file
02:21:02 <moon_> the new version at least
02:21:24 <oerjan> then it all depends on bug exploits.
02:22:17 <oerjan> which get discovered and fixed all the time.
02:22:47 * oerjan has no idea _how_ frequently.
02:23:25 <moon_> this is the latest debian version
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02:23:40 <oerjan> should be safer than some of our other bots, then.
02:23:52 <moon_> i discovered the fakeroot command
02:23:59 <moon_> i guess i CAN let you all build packages
02:24:34 <oerjan> anyway, if you're serious about making it safer, you might want to ask an actual expert on this.
02:24:44 <oerjan> well a relative expert, anyway.
02:26:26 <moon_> any good packages you think some people from here might want on it?
02:26:52 <moon_> GHC, GCC, python-pip, and hsbrainfuck have been installed
02:27:51 <izabera> all the important ones, and ghc too
02:28:04 <moon_> important ones check
02:28:30 <moon_> any more? i think i found a way to kill network access
02:28:48 <moon_> so you *might* not be able to install packages later
02:30:04 <moon_> might not work very well
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02:34:53 <shachaf> Why not ask in #esoteric-blah, where the people who actually want to use that bot are?
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02:38:39 <Koen_> you could add a go engine
02:42:46 <moon_> [21:41] <hexxley> im rm -rf / hbot: cat videos
02:43:00 <moon_> im am certain havocbot cant cat cat videos
02:44:41 <Koen_> I meant go the game, not go the silly language
02:46:24 <moon_> well,its installed
02:46:32 <moon_> but havocbot is oneline output
02:46:53 <moon_> and would require state saving and program end support between each move
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02:50:53 <Sgeo> Hi moon_ and all
02:51:36 <moon_> im running a linux bot named havocbot, any packages i should add to it>
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03:06:29 <moon_> havocbot has multiple linux bindings for you all to work with, any C/C++ librarys you all want?
03:06:42 <moon_> oops wrong channel
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04:30:54 <izabera> https://www.blackhat.com/ oh, there's blackhat.com, nice
04:31:08 <izabera> http://www.whitehat.com/ .........disappointed
04:41:03 <shachaf> Is there a name for the naturals with the Alexandrov topology?
04:41:37 <shachaf> (On the standard total order.)
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05:16:34 <HackEgo> smlist 444: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
05:24:05 <HackEgo> Non-update notification for the webcomic Super Mega.
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06:17:50 <izabera> reading one of those lists of random memorable quotes from irc channels
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06:18:29 <izabera> would it be possible to train a neural network to tell if something is memorable?
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07:32:29 <HackEgo> Children are a fungible commodity.
07:54:57 <oerjan> ok, looks like the _immediate_ girl genius chrisis is being defused.
08:04:00 <shachaf> oerjan: is that like a religious crisis
08:15:01 <oerjan> well it did involve something resembling a resurrection
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09:54:04 <hppavilion[1]> I made a little minecraft contraption for airstrikes
09:54:27 <hppavilion[1]> You just plant a creeper named "airstrike" and it summons a column of TNT that falls and blows the area to smithereens
09:54:48 <hppavilion[1]> Interestingly, when done on perfectly flat terrain with no entities, it makes a nice deep straight hole downward
09:54:58 <hppavilion[1]> But when there are entities at the target location, there's more scatter
09:55:59 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, another interesting contraption would be an "eternal bomb"
09:56:40 <hppavilion[1]> At exactly n ticks into its life, a copy of it is spawned at its location (with the same n tick fuse and a life starting just then)
10:03:03 <hppavilion[1]> Obama spend this afternoon designating the names of post offices. Really going out with a bang, isn't he?
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10:22:22 <Moon_> Hint will be online tommrow
10:23:02 <Moon_> Any debating packages you want p it b_jonas?
10:26:47 <Moon_> Also, I'm going to make some form of CD hackin
10:27:03 <Moon_> To allow for changing
10:29:21 <b_jonas> I'm sorry, I didn't do much with hbot yet
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10:32:11 <Moon_> Why do I care b_j ? Hint is being rebuilt right now anyways
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10:43:19 <Taneb> In the autumn I'll be learning evolutionary and quantum computation
10:44:11 <Koen_> why do you always study fun stuff?? how can I attend your university?
10:44:33 <Taneb> Koen_, University of York, and by applying, presumably
10:44:38 <Taneb> And I had to wait until my fourth year
10:45:04 <Taneb> Where's your university?
10:45:37 <b_jonas> what? that doesn't sounds like fun stuff to me
10:46:34 <Taneb> I'm also going to be doing Algebraic Geometry, Lie Algebras and Lie Groups, and Semigroup Theory
10:47:36 <b_jonas> Taneb: ah, now those sound much better (but not easy)
10:48:15 <Taneb> b_jonas, these are Masters' level modules (I'm doing an integrated master's degree)
10:48:58 <Taneb> In the spring I'll be doing functional programming, more quantum computation, and algebraic groups
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10:59:25 <Koen_> Taneb: well, I live in France
11:01:02 <Taneb> Koen_, that could be problematic, although not an insurmountable obstacle
11:01:57 <Koen_> do you mean they do correspondance courses? or are you trying to seduce me to the dark side of the rosbif
11:09:42 <b_jonas> heh, "dark side of the rosbif"
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11:11:33 <Koen_> well I will not be tempted!!
11:15:04 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, help me tempt Koen_ to the dark side of the rosbif
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11:23:15 <Taneb> Koen_, does your university do much functional programming research that you know of?
11:23:44 <Taneb> I'm trying to figure out my Grand List of Places To Apply For PhD
11:23:52 <Koen_> I know one of my teachers was involved in creating the language ReactiveML
11:24:26 <Koen_> a "reactive" version of ocaml
11:24:50 <Taneb> Might be worth a shot
11:24:53 <Koen_> so I guess that should count as functional, though I've got no clue what reactive means (I tried reading his papers. they might as well have been written in another language)
11:24:54 <Taneb> I mean, I'd have to learn French
11:25:08 <Koen_> well, computer science researchers *usually* speak english
11:25:19 <Koen_> and foreign students is not unusual
11:25:43 <Koen_> I'm half-certain a computer science thesis has to be written in english anyway
11:26:18 <Koen_> though if you're required to be a t.a. that's gonna be in french
11:26:28 <Taneb> I'd have to learn French to survive in the country
11:26:51 <Koen_> the country will understand you, provided you speak slowly enough :)
11:27:02 <Koen_> we just don't speak english because we're so ashamed of our accent
11:27:13 <Taneb> I can't walk into a supermarché and say "I'm a computer scientist, so I get to speak English"
11:27:28 <Koen_> who said you needed to talk at all in a supermarché ? this is 2016
11:28:01 <Taneb> I don't think the self-service tills speak English, generally
11:28:05 <Taneb> Also I have my ego to think of
11:28:15 <Taneb> Imagine, living in a country whose language you do not speak
11:28:20 <Koen_> I'm sure you'll be fluent in french in three months
11:29:10 <Koen_> (you don't have to remember the gender of every noun. using random genders is foreigner's privilege)
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11:30:05 <Koen_> the go program Mogo (the first one to use monte carlo tree search) was created at my university, actually :-)
11:30:10 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
11:30:10 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions (math). He never invents anything involving sex.
11:30:28 <Taneb> Koen_, if I can't remember my own gender, I'm sure I can be excused forgetting the gender of other words
11:31:08 <HackEgo> Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, and histograms.
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11:31:22 <shachaf> oerjan: I thought the order of tanebventions was significant, but I guess that's being scrapped.
11:31:33 <shachaf> oerjan: In which case maybe they should just go in alphabetical order.
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11:31:47 <Taneb> shachaf, I think they should be in random order
11:31:54 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions (math). He never invents anything involving sex.
11:31:56 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
11:32:16 <shachaf> Is necessity mathematical?
11:32:27 <boily> hellochaf, Tanelle, Phantom_Helloover.
11:32:37 <Taneb> shachaf, not necessarily
11:32:57 <boily> afaiac, the canonical tanebventionorder is transcribed in the Wisdom PDF Chapter Opening Paragraph hth
11:33:01 <shachaf> Taneb: After I wrote that I realized the answer was "possibly".
11:34:49 <boily> hppavellon[1]. because that's what TNT is for?
11:35:11 <hppavilion[1]> boily: I suppose I should mention that I'm not talking about minecraft
11:35:34 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Have fun with the worldwide state of emergency
11:36:07 <boily> I'm in Canada so I'm safe, but please don't destroy the Real Life too much, eh?
11:36:47 <hppavilion[1]> In all seriousness, it isn't nearly as laggy as I would've expected
11:37:06 <coppro> boily: but if you die in Canada, you die in real life
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11:37:23 <hppavilion[1]> Sure, it's laggy enough that you can understand the way the game is programed by seeing how it handles high-stress situations
11:37:41 <hppavilion[1]> (specifically, the TNT is detonating in rounds; the explosion noises stop every now and then, then they start back up)
11:37:43 <HackEgo> Histograms are diagrams showing histamine levels. Taneb invented them.
11:39:06 <hppavilion[1]> I also have a 25x25x25 cube of *whatever* that I use for testing my airstrike device
11:39:09 <shachaf> Do they measure histamine levels in grams?
11:39:55 <hppavilion[1]> I imagine this is probably what the london blitz felt like
11:40:51 <hppavilion[1]> I also took great joy in targeting an airstrike at a village church
11:41:15 <hppavilion[1]> (not because of my bitter hatred for religion, but because churches just make the optimal target for depth-penetrating missiles in general)
11:41:55 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, I think the megacube is done, and it went really far
11:44:53 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, in minecraft, a bed actually produces a bigger explosion than TNT
11:46:51 <Phantom_Hoover> also a 25m cube of tnt would have totally crashed the game back in my day
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11:47:02 <hppavilion[1]> Bedrock is 18,000,000 whereas barriers are 18,000,003
11:47:07 <Taneb> If only we had some pitifully underused channel for talking about Minecraft
11:47:32 <hppavilion[1]> Taneb: You mean like... something for just the "blah" stuff about #esoteric?
11:48:03 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], no, specifically minecraft
11:48:17 <hppavilion[1]> Taneb: Well I'm not a fan of the folks in #minecraft
11:48:33 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], hence a #esoteric specific one
11:49:17 <Taneb> (no-one talks there any more and it has two people in it)
11:50:06 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], I was talking about a different channel, with that last message
11:50:58 <Taneb> Why am I in two pitifully underused Minecraft-specific side channels for computer science irc channels that ten minutes ago had two people in?
11:53:27 <Taneb> I'm gonna head off for a bit
11:57:13 <shachaf> Taneb: What, without inventing anything first?
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13:49:15 <hppavilion[1]> There's someone with the nick Dinnerbone on #minecraft
13:49:28 <hppavilion[1]> And I'm not sure whether it is actually Dinnerbone or just someone with the nick there to confuse people xD
13:49:51 <hppavilion[1]> It probably is the real person due to the fact that Mojang seems to actually control #minecraft
13:50:17 <hppavilion[1]> But I have the nagging feeling if I make the assumption I'll embarrass myself
14:19:48 <b_jonas> fungot, do you like google sand?
14:19:49 <fungot> b_jonas: user tty login idle fnord fnord what is not
14:20:59 <b_jonas> fungot! what crazy style are you set to? you're eating koopas
14:20:59 <fungot> b_jonas: you take it's " offset"
14:21:05 <fungot> b_jonas: actually i can't. something's not right. if it can be
14:21:43 <b_jonas> fungot: yes, something's not right. snap out of it and go to some saner style please.
14:21:43 <fungot> b_jonas: no math skills, no thinking skills, need some plain simple stuff
14:34:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Nix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47212&oldid=47211 * 216.188.250.122 * (-98)
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16:46:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Erikkonstas * New user account
16:51:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Omam]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47214&oldid=36977 * Erikkonstas * (+177) Added cat program.
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19:46:07 <moon_> im working on havocbot's framework
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20:44:20 <moon_> how do i mount a disk in debian again?
20:47:55 <moon_> what filesystem does gentoo use? its apparently not EXT4
20:48:16 <moon_> and i cant reformat because this disk contains data
20:51:23 <gamemanj> moon_ type in "mount" and then find out
20:51:48 <moon_> i tried mounting the drives already, if thats wha you mean
20:51:53 <moon_> whats a 'superblock'?
20:52:07 <gamemanj> "mount" shows everything currently mounted
20:52:15 <gamemanj> unless you can't mount it, in which case...
20:52:42 <moon_> im trying to mount what used to be the /s drive
20:53:38 <moon_> it was the file that b_jonas assigned a drive to, mainly the secondary drive
21:00:35 <moon_> apparently the partition is a DOS partition?!
21:01:30 <myname> "what filesystem does gentoo use"
21:01:48 <myname> you obviosly don't use linux very much
21:01:53 <moon_> im fairly certain it is EXT4, like all linux :P
21:02:17 <gamemanj> fat32 - the universal standard, everybody loves, fat32, fat32, the universal standard - it's not outdated at all...
21:02:48 <moon_> oh, gentoo uses fat32?
21:03:19 <myname> it puts its files on whatever you serve to it
21:03:19 <gamemanj> it's what whoever decided to set the system up uses
21:03:52 <moon_> i used ext4, the default, unless b_jonas intialized the secondary drive wierdly
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21:48:47 <moon_> anyone alive? havocbot is online, and alot safer
21:50:02 <myname> where is the fun in that
21:51:01 <moon_> im no good at security
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22:27:27 <moon_> its runnin in #esoteric-blah
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23:08:24 <\oren\> hey im back in toronto!
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