00:10:10 <zzo38> Now I wrote a simple program to lease stdin; it then terminates as soon as anyone else opens the same file. (If you just type "lease" by itself, you will get an error message, because you cannot lease a terminal.)
00:16:46 <zzo38> To do select with absolute timer one idea I thought might be to create a pipe and then another thread or program can wait for the specified time and emit characters on the pipe once the timer expires.
00:17:07 <pikhq> Mmm, yes, that would work.
00:17:34 <pikhq> And then the select user can just know that one of the fds means "timer expired".
00:18:04 <pikhq> I think that one's a lot cleaner than what I suggested.
00:18:04 <pikhq> And it'll work with poll as well.
00:18:10 <shachaf> `learn Pikachu is a universal quantifier for Chu spaces.
00:18:15 <HackEgo> Learned 'pikachu': Pikachu is a universal quantifier for Chu spaces.
00:18:51 <pikhq> Nah, just feelin' like I've got a drill burrowing into my head.
00:19:56 <pikhq> Nothing to be concerned about, it's just the fault of my genetics.
00:20:48 <shachaf> Are you sticking around in the area, speaking of which?
00:21:09 <pikhq> Iff I find myself hired.
00:21:14 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover: No.
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00:29:57 <hppavilion[1]> According to wolfram|alpha, with exactly (no solutions exist) bits, you can represent any item from a set of 0 possibilities
00:35:50 <Cale> Clearly it should have been Infinity bits
00:36:20 <Cale> no wait, -Infinity
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00:44:53 <hppavilion[1]> I just found the Hallmarks of Cancer, which are the rules that designate a tumor as malignant
00:45:21 <hppavilion[1]> Now I know whether calling a particular political ideology, movement, or group "cancerous" is reflective of that group
00:50:53 <\oren\> wait wouldn't that mean that anything that is growing in popularity is cancerous
00:51:50 <Phantom_Hoover> no obviously you need restructuring of the blood supply to the group as well
00:51:54 <quintopia> only if in doing so it dismantles established and necessary organizational structures
00:52:58 <Phantom_Hoover> \oren\, obviously not otherwise your fingernails would be cancer
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00:56:16 <hppavilion[1]> According to affirmativeconsent.com under "What is affirmative consent?"
00:56:18 <hppavilion[1]> "Consent is to be determined from the perspective of the complainant."
00:57:09 <\oren\> I recommend reading into the case law instead
00:57:43 <hppavilion[1]> So if someone has sex with someone else, and that person had every reason to believe that the partner was cool with- or even into- it, if the partner says that they didn't feel like they consented, then it's rape.
00:58:17 <\oren\> like I said, read the actual judgements
00:58:41 <hppavilion[1]> But that seems like an obvious vector to get rid of someone you don't like- have sex with them, claim you didn't consent, get them sent to prison
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00:59:34 <hppavilion[1]> This case is using the "39%" metric, which has been repeatedly debunked
01:00:07 <hppavilion[1]> Even the people who conducted the original survey that came up with the 1-in-3 number have said their survey shouldn't be used to justify laws or policies or anything, IIRC
01:00:45 <hppavilion[1]> The DoJ came up with a number closer to 1-in-50; still too large, but saying 1-in-3 is still a lie
01:01:16 <hppavilion[1]> (Apparently, it used to be 1-in-5, then it was 1-in-4, now it's 1-in-3. Soon enough, 2 out of every 1 women will get sexually assaulted in her lifetime)
01:02:29 <\oren\> solution: don't date crazy people?
01:05:08 <hppavilion[1]> Of course, I prefer "don't stick your dick in greater quantities of crazy" to the less accurate-to-humanity "don't stick your dick in crazy"
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01:31:57 <zzo38> What happen if both people don't consent? But the solution is easy: don't sex.
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01:38:57 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: Hey, can you give fungot a style based on bus timetables from a city where buses crash constantly?
01:38:58 <fungot> hppavilion[2]: so you are waiting for a class? td fnord" fnord svg public " -//w3c//dtd html 4.01 fnord/ cdn/ fnord/ fnord/ fnord -lm " slow"
01:39:27 <hppavilion[2]> (though you fed the full HTML of the page it appears)
01:39:37 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
01:45:00 <hppavilion[2]> zzo38: It's a Scrabble game where JS reserved words count for triple points
01:46:39 <zzo38> Does it multiply after all other modifier on the board then?
01:47:02 <hppavilion[2]> zzo38: That doesn't matter. Multiplication is commutative over the naturals.
01:47:51 <zzo38> I know that, but the other possibility is if it suppresses the other modifiers or something like that.
01:48:05 <hppavilion[2]> Oh, but double/triple letter scores might affect it...
01:50:41 <hppavilion[2]> Wait, but what are the rules in normal scrabble? It's possible to get both a double word score and a double letter score
01:50:53 <hppavilion[2]> Well, I suppose you have to apply double word score second
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01:54:19 <hppavilion[2]> (then again, that might be some sort of archive subdomain)
02:02:46 <\oren\> See and hear the entire speech for 56K modem download [8.7 megabytes in a .asf movie format which requires Windows Media Player 7 (speech lasts about 33 minutes)].
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02:04:33 <\oren\> hppavilion[2]: what's wrong with that page though???
02:07:34 <\oren\> what do you think of my dad's website: http://math.yorku.ca/~watson/
02:08:42 <\oren\> notice that the text is pink and the bacground is teal
02:13:05 <\oren\> see! he knows some modern html!
02:14:00 <zzo38> You usually should not alter the colours from the user settings. Unfortunately this does not provide any standard way to do reverse-video (although Mozilla has an extension to support this).
02:14:41 <zzo38> But what you should not ever to do is altering the foreground but not background or vice-versa.
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04:05:36 <zzo38> hppavilion[2]: What happen if it is a JS reserved word that is not already a valid word of Scrabble game? (Since, some might not be)
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04:11:29 <hppavilion[2]> Isn't it annoying when somebody gets a cube with distinct sides where the sides always follow a particular pattern wrong?
04:20:19 <hppavilion[2]> I just found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cetaceans
04:20:39 <hppavilion[2]> In the tables, if a picture is missing, it says "Cetacean Needed"
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04:45:27 <hppavilion[2]> Does the IUCN Red List include dinosaurs in their 'extinct' list?
05:00:21 <hppavilion[2]> Wow, explainxkcd has brought down their incomplete article list a LOT
05:31:29 <pikhq> hppavilion[2]: Well, there are certainly at least some dinosaurs that would make the extinct list.
05:31:35 <hppavilion[2]> "Hundreds of replicas of the Statue of Liberty have been created worldwide. At least one is the same size as the original; others are all smaller."
05:32:18 <pikhq> Tip, all birds are dinosaurs by any reasonable definition of the term. :)
05:33:10 <hppavilion[2]> pikhq: Unless the definition includes "lived before modern homonids"
05:33:41 <pikhq> Yeah, um, that's pretty unreasonable.
05:33:56 <pikhq> (and includes many birds. :P)
05:35:05 <hppavilion[2]> pikhq: Yeah, but at least it doesn't include e.g. ravens
05:35:19 <pikhq> I fail to see why that's a desirable property.
05:35:39 <hppavilion[2]> pikhq: Because ravens are smarter than dinosaurs, obv.
05:35:48 <hppavilion[2]> But the Wikipedia et al. challenge, of course, is to make a /larger/ replica of the SoL
05:40:46 <hppavilion[2]> "The statue is an icon of freedom and of the United States, and was a welcoming sight to immigrants arriving from abroad."
05:41:47 <pikhq> Immigrants don't generally make landfall at Ellis Island anymore.
05:53:46 <quintopia> hppavilion[2]: is the challenge for someone to build one that's bigger?
05:55:10 <quintopia> oh, well there was such a gap between your mentioning and then explicitly saying it, i just gave up and assumed you never did
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06:00:26 <hppavilion[1]> Has the Unicode Consortium gotten around to snakes yet?
06:01:36 <quintopia> are you looking forward to seeing snakes on a unicode?
06:05:29 <\oren\> Is there a "bag of weed" emoji yet?
06:06:41 <quintopia> i mean, there's a leaf, right? i think?
06:07:19 <\oren\> there's a leaf and a "maple leaf" too
06:07:31 <\oren\> but no "marijuana leaf"
06:09:58 <quintopia> why is microsoft's alembic emoji so stylized as to be unrecognizable
06:11:18 <quintopia> http://emojipedia.org/maple-leaf/ LG's is like halfway between maple and hemp
06:12:52 <quintopia> this is a fun category: http://emojipedia.org/festivus/
06:13:00 <\oren\> the alembic wasn't originally an emoji
06:13:46 <\oren\> it's one of the ones that becomes an emoji by a varation selector
06:21:23 <zzo38> Unicode is actually a mess.
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06:36:12 <hppavilion[1]> I had an idea for a browser game designed to make a point about political correctness
06:36:26 <\oren\> Apparently I'm wrong about ALEMBIC
06:36:37 <\oren\> http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/StandardizedVariants.html
06:36:52 <hppavilion[1]> It gives you a rather specific race (like "Phillipino" (sp)) and 3-5 pictures of people of that race and you have to click the correct answer
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06:38:11 <hppavilion[1]> It calibrates which images to use based on the ones most commonly clicked instead of the right answer (so if it says "asian", the options will generally not include someone with very, very dark skin)
06:40:15 <izabera> how do i find a certain string of bytes in a binary file?
06:41:25 <izabera> i have a shell and no c compiler and i need to find that
06:41:25 <\oren\> Wikipedia has ceased showing a set of pictures of people in articles about ethnic groups...
06:41:45 <hppavilion[1]> http://unicode.org/L2/L2016/16160-emoji-professions.pdf
06:41:48 <pikhq> grep -boF ;# and be advised that this will work with GNU grep but may not with other greps (that choke on binary files)
06:42:05 <hppavilion[1]> Really, UC? Emoji don't need to include every image ever
06:42:47 <hppavilion[1]> You should have separate sets of emoji to represent men and women from those representing careers- you don't need to combine them to have women in each career AND men in each career
06:43:21 <hppavilion[1]> They also say "People search for women and men emoji with nearly the same frequency" when there is a blatantly higher number of people searching for men
06:44:07 <hppavilion[1]> I would estimate 135% as many looking for "men emoji" as for "women emoji"
06:44:59 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, at least they're making them combining sequences rather than whole new codepoints
06:47:50 <hppavilion[1]> But still, the idea of "focus on women in various jobs" is pretty stupid; unless you can show a blatant limitation to women getting into a job- not just there being more men in the job in general, but a discrepancy between percentage women and men hired vs. applied- I will assume that the lower percentage of women in the job is because /less women want the job/, as that's as close to the null hypothesis as I can get
06:49:25 <hppavilion[1]> I also find it funny that the document mentions adding the equivalents for men, but almost entirely emphasize it for women
06:50:24 <hppavilion[1]> Which makes no sense to me; if there aren't ones for men AND women already, what reason is there to have them? They say it's to "empower young women", but I don't think people will feel particularly empowered by there being emoji showing women in assorted professions
06:51:05 <hppavilion[1]> It's like saying e.g. all newspaper comics should be shown with variants with men AND women for each character
06:53:01 <hppavilion[1]> "We recognize the importance of having an inclusive representation of all people in emoji" so why don't you just make everything generic and neutral? Having specific emoji for various attributes of people is stupid; it's like if they decided there needs to be variants of emoji for all the different eye colors
06:54:22 <hppavilion[1]> Having dinosaurs seems like more of a pressing issue to me
06:56:26 <\oren\> Bah, who cares about emoji, I'm pissed that wikipedia seems to have decided that "what do albanians look like" isn't a valid question.
06:56:26 <pikhq> hppavilion[1]: Careful, you're straying dangerously far into discussing discrimination while having no idea whether or not it's an issue or to what degree.
06:58:13 <myname> i wonder if default emojis are going to work with the female modifier, too
06:58:31 <myname> and when women demand to not having male emojis the fdefault
06:58:42 <\oren\> The emoji will be resolved when font designers are no longer able to finish.
06:59:54 <shachaf> What is a female emoji? One with long hair?
07:00:01 <\oren\> but seriously, wikipedia is beginning to become inferior to my 1950's Britannica
07:01:06 <\oren\> due to NPOV being interpreted as PPOVI (Popular Point of View on Internet)
07:01:38 <myname> shouldn't it be PPOVOI then?
07:01:55 <myname> if you don't omit of, you shouldn't omit on either
07:04:14 <\oren\> it is a FACT that there are visible differences between the Irish and the Japanese, and the en.wikipedia people are censoring this fact.
07:04:33 <zzo38> What should be instead is All-Point-Of-View.
07:05:11 <pikhq> \oren\: Are they not putting it in the article for belief it's not a fact, or for belief that it's not a relevant fact?
07:05:17 <pikhq> I strongly suspect it's the latter.
07:05:42 <\oren\> argh. "relevant" to whom?
07:05:43 <pikhq> (you may disagree, and also when has irrelevance of a fact stopped Wikipedia before)
07:05:54 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Pretty soon we're going to have ZWJ sequences for families where the parents are both men (one with skin tone 2, the other with skin tone 5) and the child is a muslim for some reason
07:06:35 <zzo38> As I said before, Unicode is actually a mess!!
07:06:39 <hppavilion[1]> (don't get me wrong, I don't have anything wrong with muslims as a whole- at least, no more relative to Christians and Jews and Hindus (that's the proper plural, right?)- but generally you don't have two non-muslim parents with a muslim child)
07:07:05 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: as I said this will be solved when font designers no longer put up with it
07:07:44 <HackEgo> Unicode is a mess invented in 1988 by Xerox, Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition, and the evil Human Supremacy Corporation, in order to make it easier for the government to spy on Chinese people.
07:08:30 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Where are they censoring the visual differences between the Irish and the Japanese? I want to see and laugh
07:08:47 <pikhq> I'm afraid that it's impossible to assert a view is not completely crazy without stepping in some deep political shit.
07:09:12 <hppavilion[1]> For a second there, I thought "Wouldn't it be nice if we had something like Wikipedia, but..." before I realized it's been done, but it became "conservapedia"
07:09:16 <pikhq> Remember, we have a political party that believes that climate change is neither human-caused nor actually happening.
07:09:17 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: go to the article "albanians" for example
07:09:47 <\oren\> they removed the gallery of images at the top which tells people what albanians generally look like
07:09:54 <zzo38> I think that even crazy point of view must be included, although they could be separated from the main article; this results in better text than making a mess of everything in one sentence that doesn't make sense.
07:10:16 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: But what about POVs shared by only 4 or 5 individuals?
07:10:17 <pikhq> The scientific community is happy to state that's pretty crazy at this point, but it's certainly not thought of like that by everybody.
07:10:33 <\oren\> this has been done to all articles on ethnic groups
07:10:40 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Is there a political party that believes that climate change is human-caused but isn't actually happening?
07:11:29 <\oren\> Hopefully someone can put at least some txt explaining that, for example, very pale skin, red hair and freckles are common among the Irish
07:11:36 <zzo38> If only five people and isn't significant then maybe it should be placed on the talk page by those people.
07:11:43 <hppavilion[1]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people: an actual article :)
07:12:12 <pikhq> hppavilion[1]: I would firmly hope not.
07:13:00 <\oren\> Black people isn't an ethnic group though.
07:14:46 <zzo38> I have look at some custom Magic: the Gathering cards that people made up that say "This card cannot die even if a card says it can". This does not prevent it from being exiled, phased out, returned to owner's hand, shuffled into owner's library, anted, countered, discarded, turned face-down, etc....
07:14:48 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans doesn't have any images there specifically to get across how blacks look, and there are no color images until the 5th n-section or so
07:15:42 <zzo38> (It also says "destroy target player"; of course only permanents can be destroyed, not players.)
07:21:28 <\oren\> welcome to the twilight zone...
07:23:08 <\oren\> well, one solution is to read Wikipedia in a non-english language
07:27:51 <hppavilion[1]> I just pasted a rant on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African_Americans. Now for the hate.
07:28:20 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Pffft. Non-english wikipedias are an April Fool's joke, aren't they?
07:29:16 <zzo38> No it is not only for April, I think?
07:30:42 <\oren\> solution: look at https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2%E4%BA%BA
07:30:55 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Oh, huh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#NOETHNICGALLERIES
07:31:11 <\oren\> Yeah and it seems to be for stupid reasons
07:31:22 <\oren\> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アルバニア人
07:31:55 <\oren\> Thank god for the Japanese and their resistance to political correctness
07:32:59 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I think I'll go establish Political Dontgiveafuckness
07:42:39 <asie> hppavilion[1]: That's not very political.
07:43:37 <hppavilion[1]> Al Qaeda referred to 9/11 by the codename "The Big Wedding", because they are the biggest assholes on the face of the earth
07:52:08 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, the FAA didn't start grounding planes (well, it didn't order to ground ALL planes) until after the 3 successful attacks
07:52:19 <FreeFull> I thought ISIS is the biggest assholes
07:52:38 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Eh, they're probably deeply connected to Al Qaeda
07:52:56 <FreeFull> Didn't Al Qaeda denounce them?
07:53:46 <FreeFull> "In February 2014, after a prolonged dispute with al-Qaeda in Iraq's successor organisation, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), al-Qaeda publicly announced it was cutting all ties with the group, reportedly for its brutality and "notorious intractability"."
07:55:05 <hppavilion[1]> "Mohammed said al-Qaeda initially planned to target nuclear installations rather than the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but decided against it, fearing things could "get out of control".["
07:55:59 <FreeFull> ISIS is too extreme even for the extremists
07:57:01 <zzo38> I am not surprised of that.
07:58:38 <zzo38> I think someone is hiding something about the attacks on World Trade Center, but I don't know what, exactly. Maybe the US government somehow convinced them to attack World Trade Center instead of nuclear installations, for reasons of hidden motives...?
07:58:49 <hppavilion[1]> "New York City 911 operators who received calls from individuals inside the tower were not well informed of the situation as it rapidly unfolded and as a result, told callers not to descend the tower on their own."
07:59:28 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Aaaaaand now you're a conspiracy theorist. Your complimentary tinfoil hat will be delivered in 9-11 business days.
08:03:54 <zzo38> I think a tinfoil hat is not of much help; wire mesh is probably more effective, but you might need a lot more than that
08:04:27 <\oren\> So I went downstairs to look in my Britannica
08:05:47 <\oren\> Yeah, they had pictures.
08:09:57 <\oren\> It's a pity the web version of the Britannica is so stupid
08:18:00 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Pffft. REAL conspiracy theorists wear faraday cages
08:18:49 <\oren\> My aunt wore tinfoil liner under her jacket and hat for a while
08:19:43 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, I wonder if I could make a stylish tinfoil hat
08:19:58 <\oren\> she thought her pastor was using a microwave to mind control people or something
08:19:59 <hppavilion[1]> Do young conspiracy theorists in schools get to wear their tinfoil hats?
08:20:25 <hppavilion[1]> (for those living abroad, in US schools students are banned from wearing hats because gang members also wear hats)
08:27:12 <hppavilion[1]> How do they ship devices used for automatically paying tolls?
08:31:04 <\oren\> presumably the device can be activated on delivery
08:31:32 <hppavilion[1]> "The NAACP denounces the use of both nigga and nigger."
08:31:41 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yeah, but apparently they just put them in lead-lined bags
08:31:55 <hppavilion[1]> Their denouncement includes when used by black people
08:32:44 <hppavilion[1]> Because, of course, the NAACP has the authority to prescribe the culture and language that should be used by black people, and all black people are the same of course so anything sweeping like that is OK
08:33:25 <hppavilion[1]> NAACP should probably be renamed to the NAARC (National African American Regulation Center) or something like that
08:33:27 <\oren\> whatver... I'm coming to the conclusion that the entire anglosphere is probably doomed
08:37:13 <hppavilion[1]> Why are all communities/networks of communities "spheres"?
08:37:37 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, wouldn't a great word for the community of minecraft players be "the Mineocube"?
08:50:14 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: What if neoletters used actual pictures for emoji? xD
08:52:21 * hppavilion[1] is tempted to incorporate the AAVE habitual/continuative aspect (e.g. "he be working Tuesdays") into his own grammar
08:53:00 <\oren\> I won't be doing much Emoji until the CJKwidth corrections in 9.0 are finalized
08:54:17 <\oren\> I do intend to draw them freehand from photos however, much like the flower tiles in the Mahjong block
08:55:24 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Ah, I was hoping you would just google the name and choose the first non-already-emoji image in the list that isn't copyright-protected xP
08:55:37 <HackEgo> U+1F022 MAHJONG TILE PLUM \ UTF-8: f0 9f 80 a2 UTF-16BE: d83cdc22 Decimal: 🀢 \ 🀢 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F023 MAHJONG TILE ORCHID \ UTF-8: f0 9f 80 a3 UTF-16BE: d83cdc23 Decimal: 🀣 \ 🀣 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F024 MAHJONG TILE BAMBOO \ UT
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08:55:59 <\oren\> nah, that would not work, because I intend to keep neoletters a monochrome font
08:59:39 <\oren\> Color emojis probably would not react well with terminal colors
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09:17:35 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, and there's no voiced equivalent of 'h' (like 'b' is the voiced 'p' and 'd' is the voiced 't')
09:18:06 <hppavilion[1]> Probably because voicing 'h' makes you sound retarded (in the actual, clinical sense; not in an offensive, colloquial sense)
09:26:12 <myname> there is an emoji based esolang
09:26:55 <\oren\> voiced velar fricative
09:31:17 <\oren\> apparently ɦ is a voiced glottal fricative
09:32:35 <shachaf> A fricative is very different from h.
09:33:49 <\oren\> I thought h is a glottal fricative
09:35:43 <shachaf> I was talking about the English letter h.
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09:38:45 <shachaf> I guess I misunderstood what a fricative is?
09:39:03 <\oren\> in dialects that bother to actually prnounce the letter h, it's definitely some kind of hssing sound
09:39:22 <\oren\> from the back of the throat
09:40:16 <fizzie> "In some languages, it has the constricted manner of articulation of a fricative. However, in many if not most it is a transitional state of the glottis, with no manner of articulation other than its phonation type. Because there is no other constriction to produce friction in the vocal tract in the languages they are familiar with, many phoneticians[who?] no longer consider [h] to be a ...
09:40:22 <fizzie> ... fricative. However, the term "fricative" is generally retained for historical reasons."
09:40:51 <shachaf> fizzie: i feel vindicated tdh
09:43:55 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: Really? Using inaccurate, meaningfully-descriptive scientific terms for "historical reasons"!?
09:44:15 <shachaf> In 'ertford, 'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen
09:44:54 <hppavilion[1]> I don't know, if we found out electrons had a positive charge (because physics) but we kept writing them as e^- for historical reasons
09:45:39 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I thought it was just "'amp" and the "shire" was added by Americans thinking all of England is a shire?
09:46:22 <hppavilion[1]> See http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrevocation_cleese.htm
10:11:05 <HackEgo> cat: share/weapons: No such file or directory
10:11:10 <HackEgo> cat: shr/weapons: No such file or directory
10:11:15 <HackEgo> !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
10:11:27 <HackEgo> 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ mtg \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ recipe \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ UnicodeData.txt \ units.dat \ user
10:11:31 <HackEgo> fruit \ spline \ spout \ tempcmd \ testcmd \ tmp_jonas
10:12:37 <HackEgo> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... \ Try 'grep --help' for more information.
10:36:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Folder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47229&oldid=44368 * Rdococ * (+282) /* Computational class up for debate */
10:52:44 <hppavilion[1]> God I love https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCMQCSDW8AAGN61.png:large
10:57:37 <hppavilion[1]> http://i.imgur.com/AbtBGxo.jpg: Coder learned to succeed despite racism
10:57:46 <hppavilion[1]> Specifically, he was racist against those from Java
11:02:02 <hppavilion[1]> "Good on him. Race conditions are hella hard to debug."
11:08:05 <oerjan> @tell b_jonas <b_jonas> oerjan, why does ? not find that entry? <-- because it auto-lowercases.
11:08:15 <hppavilion[1]> The other day, I saw "womyn" in the comment section of a YouTube video, used sarcastically
11:08:34 <oerjan> `cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
11:08:47 <hppavilion[1]> I assumed it was just taking rhetoric and obsession with orthography and inclusivity to the extreme
11:08:54 <oerjan> `cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
11:08:54 <HackEgo> cat: wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR : No such file or directory
11:15:43 <HackEgo> groups are just loops with the property of associativity
11:16:07 <oerjan> `sled wisdom/group//s/./G/;s/$/./
11:16:16 <oerjan> `culprits wisdom/group
11:17:10 <shachaf> Remember when we didn't have sled and everything was sed -i?
11:17:15 <oerjan> please don't add more commands when HackEgo is already molasses
11:17:42 <oerjan> shachaf: how did we survive!
11:17:52 <HackEgo> int-e ais523 shachaf elliott Taneb
11:17:55 <oerjan> oh i forgot the command i added
11:18:02 <HackEgo> wisdom/group//Groups are just loops with the property of associativity.
11:19:19 <oerjan> the weird thing is that the wiki is nowhere near that slow, despite being on the same server
11:20:23 <shachaf> Cale: This category theory book is very poorly edited.
11:20:28 <shachaf> Every section has a retraction.
11:20:54 * oerjan leaps onto shachaf with the vengeance of a thousand swats ------###
11:21:06 <oerjan> also an extra - it seems
11:21:39 <oerjan> i think i'll pullback from this discussion.
11:22:14 <shachaf> I should twit it or something. Wherever people put their puns these days.
11:22:33 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sudo: not found
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11:33:11 <\oren\> well I assume the wiki doesn't boot Linux with every request
11:37:23 <\oren\> (this might be a wrong assumption)
11:38:30 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to come up with a parody otherkin that's crazy enough to be obvious to everybody else, but not enough to tip off the actual otherkin
11:38:53 <hppavilion[1]> I honestly can't think of anything crazier than what Otherkin already have, something that would be obvious it was fictional.
11:39:13 <hppavilion[1]> Other than just a really long list of combinations, which would be obvious to everybody
11:41:30 <\oren\> (assuming you've read your Terry Pratchett)
11:44:27 <hppavilion[1]> Isn't it great when you come up with a clever email address and it isn't taken?
11:47:25 <\oren\> my email address is just my.name@gmail.com
11:47:48 <\oren\> wait, I'm already using my name here
11:48:14 <FreeFull> \oren\: Does the Blue Man Group count?
11:48:37 <\oren\> omg hahaha I didn't make that connection...
11:50:32 <FreeFull> Probably not, since they don't pretend to be scottish
11:51:00 <\oren\> right. and they don't have swords that glow to warn of approaching lawyers
11:53:26 <oerjan> `learn Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h, hth
11:53:35 <HackEgo> Relearned 'associativity': Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h, hth
11:54:41 <oerjan> `learn Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h.
11:54:49 <HackEgo> Relearned 'associativity': Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h.
11:55:40 <oerjan> exercise: think of an operation that fulfils that but not if you distinguish the first and last h
11:57:37 <oerjan> hm no that has the equals as neighbots
11:59:38 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_algebra
11:59:52 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: and for sedenions too
12:00:54 <oerjan> `learn Associativity means that h(th) = (ht)h, if you're flexible about it.
12:01:00 <HackEgo> Relearned 'associativity': Associativity means that h(th) = (ht)h, if you're flexible about it.
12:03:57 <lynn> I had to look up what a retraction is to get shachaf's joke, and found a great article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retracted_article_on_dopaminergic_neurotoxicity_of_MDMA
12:05:17 <lynn> (I only knew that word as category theory jargon, embarrassingly...)
12:11:10 <hppavilion[1]> https://robjo.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/spotting-fake-otherkin-part-1-intro-and-angelkin/ is the most absurd thing I have ever seen
12:11:31 <hppavilion[1]> It's talking about people who ~"Want to be otherkin so badly they start to believe it's true"
12:11:42 <hppavilion[1]> "it let’s them feel special (without having actually earned that specialness)"
12:12:09 <hppavilion[1]> (You know, because otherkin actually have earned specialness by being reincarnated. Obvi.)
12:15:01 <hppavilion[1]> Ooor, has anybody applied Tumblr Genders and Tumblr Sexuality to religion?
12:16:04 <hppavilion[1]> "I'm an Akoitheist; I only believe in gods that don't think I exist because they thought they deleted the universe ages ago"
12:21:18 * oerjan recalls reading a comic book that started with the gods doing that. fortunately they missed a part.
12:23:20 <Phantom_Hoover> so meanwhile this is perfectly hilarious http://www.wired.com/2016/06/50-million-hack-just-showed-dao-human/
12:27:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47230&oldid=42463 * IAM * (+145) /* Is this a Turing tarpit? */
12:28:26 <hppavilion[1]> "While Russia has more physicians, hospitals, and health care workers than almost any other country in the world on a per capita basis,[308] since the dissolution of the Soviet Union the health of the Russian population has declined considerably as a result of social, economic, and lifestyle changes;[309] the trend has been reversed only in the recent years, with average life expectancy having increased 5.2 years for males and 3.1 years
12:29:06 <oerjan> they had rather good health care.
12:34:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47231&oldid=47230 * IAM * (+315) /* Funciton Tools */ new section
12:35:27 <myname> where does that akoitheism come from
12:35:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47232&oldid=47231 * IAM * (+122) /* Conditional returning lambda */
12:37:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47233&oldid=47232 * IAM * (+68) /* Funciton Tools */
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12:38:45 <\oren\> I hate how atmospheric drag doesn't affect any craft unless they're focused
12:45:07 <\oren\> hmm I have an idea for a space strategy game
12:48:20 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Will it allow traveling to other stars and, if so, will it properly reflect the several-hundred-year travel time?
12:49:34 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: you control your spacecraft by sending programs to them, and the game server (which runs at all times) would simulate their carrying out your sent instructions
12:50:15 <\oren\> It would have a very accurate physics engine, but the interface is just a website!
12:50:41 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Will it account for speed-of-light delay and require that you account for red/blueshifting in your spacecrafts' OSes?
12:51:45 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Will you have to respect international treaties?
12:52:46 <\oren\> not if you don't want to!
12:54:24 <\oren\> You simply build spacecraft on your homeworld and program them. Communication, alliances, treaties, etc would be outside the game itself
12:55:59 <\oren\> although perhaps the in-game message system would be included
12:56:12 <\oren\> with light-speed delay, of course
12:57:31 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, why isn't there a planet mnemonic including Pluto
13:32:23 <HackEgo> programmer's google? ¯\(°_o)/¯
13:32:36 <hppavilion[1]> `le/rn programmer's google/A programmer's google is equal to 10^100, or 110
13:32:42 <HackEgo> Learned «programmer's google»
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13:37:03 <lambdabot> CYQB 181200Z 00000KT 30SM FEW200 16/07 A3020 RMK CI1 HAZY SLP230
13:50:55 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Is that the most impressive porthello ever?
13:52:30 <hppavilion[1]> I need to learn more languages to improve my porthelloing
13:52:34 <boily> that is one nice porthelllo!
13:52:48 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, how would we porthello if we all spoke some chinese language?
13:52:53 <boily> hppavellonmatin[1]!
13:54:27 <izabera> fun fact: the upcoming disney movie moana will be called oceania in italy, and she'll be called vaiana
13:54:43 <izabera> because moana is the name of a famous italian pornstar
13:57:07 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: non-latin scripthellos is a horror i have not yet fully contemplated.
14:03:33 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I think they fall under "Eldritch Typography"
14:05:30 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, just to make the world a weirder, more unnecessarily-confusing place, I'm going to tell anyone who asks that my preferred pronouns are feminine (except for the collective third person; any group including me should be referred to as "he"), but that I'm a cis male
14:07:21 <oerjan> what about not increasing the madness further
14:08:24 <Cale> oerjan: that suggestion is inappropriate here
14:08:25 <oerjan> in any case, i refer the right to use gender-neutral pronouns for anyone being obnoxious.
14:08:49 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: you said the world, not #esoteric.
14:09:05 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yes, but #esoteric's goal is to conquer the outside world, is it not?
14:09:29 <hppavilion[1]> And become The Council of the 102(+-5 or so, 0 ops)
14:12:45 <oerjan> well we cannot conquer the world it it self-destructs first tdnh
14:13:59 <hppavilion[1]> Oooh, I can even include pronouns that are the same in english, but not in other languages
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14:35:12 <boily> hppavilion[1]: "vous" is a little bit too impersonal jqça
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15:47:42 <hppavilion[1]> The World Trade Center: Making everyone experts on structural engineering since 2001
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16:11:54 <FreeFull> Ultimate conspiracy: 9/11 was an attack by French aliens, and the Faroese government covered it up
16:13:04 <Phantom_Hoover> impossible, as the theory would require france to independently achieve a military objective
16:17:06 <FreeFull> Napoleon did well, until Russia
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16:24:34 <FreeFull> Phantom_Hoover: Corsica belongs to France
16:24:46 <FreeFull> Although he was Italian nobility
16:25:56 <oerjan> <\oren\> Wikipedia has ceased showing a set of pictures of people in articles about ethnic groups... <-- huh indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Images/Archive_6
16:26:33 <oerjan> technically italy was not a state until decades after he died hth
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16:52:09 <hppavilion[1]> The russian government will provide its citizens with all needs from A to backwards 'R'
16:53:47 <int-e> I just happen to know how that one is pronounced.
16:53:53 <HackEgo> [U+042F CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER YA]
16:54:24 <HackEgo> [U+2665 BLACK HEART SUIT]
16:54:51 <int-e> and... did you get lucky or did you actually know that this is the last letter in the standard sequence of the cyrillic alphabet?
16:56:21 <hppavilion[1]> `learn Я is the 8th letter of the hsilgnE alphabet
16:56:26 <HackEgo> Learned 'Я': Я is the 8th letter of the hsilgnE alphabet
16:57:52 <int-e> hppavilion[1]: as for unvoiced vowels I'd cite this example by Morgenstern: http://www.payer.de/exegese/exegese08c11.gif
16:59:21 <int-e> It's a poem; the title translates approximately as "fish lullaby", http://www.ablemuse.com/erato/showthread.php?t=19015 has some discussion on it.
17:01:58 <int-e> hppavilion[1]: and now I'd like to challenge you to come up with a more serious answer to your voiceless vowel question.
17:03:36 <int-e> (the comments point out that this might not be a lullaby but to my mind there never was any doubt about it)
17:15:07 <hppavilion[1]> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/189567/is-there-such-a-thing-as-an-unvoiced-vowel
17:18:38 <int-e> (another voiceless activity)
17:24:30 <Phantom_Hoover> hppavilion[1], well obviously, how else could you whisper
17:24:56 <Phantom_Hoover> (whispering is also a good way to notice aspirated vs. unaspirated 'p')
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17:28:02 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, babies saying "mama" isn't actually addressing their mother; mothers just interpret it as meaning themselves because that's one of the first consistent noises a baby makes
17:28:13 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> There are no unvoiced vowels, are there... <-- iirc japanese vowels are unvoiced in some positions.
17:28:56 <oerjan> oh i was responding to logs.
17:31:45 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: If the logs are talking to you, you need to stop drinking. Also, don't lumberjack while drunk.
17:33:20 <myname> how do you pronounce an unvoiced vowel?
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17:37:33 <myname> it sounds weird in a non-whispered word
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19:01:05 <boily> fungot: whip me, bite me, markov chain me to the wall.
19:01:06 <fungot> boily: state killing: is equal to the square root of the natural logarithm of something. " you don't always know the entire problem description and figure out what to do with
19:01:21 <shachaf> lynn: Is it category theory jargon or is it topology jargon or something?
19:01:24 <boily> hellochaf, hellynn.
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19:13:38 <boily> `relcome hwpplayer1
19:13:53 <HackEgo> hwpplayer1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
19:15:15 <hwpplayer1> are you interested in only using a language or creating a new one ?
19:15:50 <myname> mostly creating, in fact
19:16:18 <myname> even though i thought about using efghij
19:20:35 <boily> hwpplayer1: I created a few. Aubergine is my best and purplest language.
19:24:09 <zzo38> It will not be necessary adding spaces on both side of all punctuation mark for English writing.
19:24:17 <myname> is it more purple than purple?
19:27:00 <hwpplayer1> i should ask something , does esoteric mean that the language is not useful or it means a few people use that language and it is marginal for now
19:27:45 <myname> it doesn't have to be either
19:29:44 <boily> myname: purple is purpler hth
19:51:59 <shachaf> In my dream, there was a conference about cartesian closed categories called "IOCCC".
19:55:13 <zzo38> hwpplayer1: Not necessarily either; read the esolang wiki is probably better way to learn what it means.
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20:11:41 <int-e> shachaf: n-th annual symposium of the International Organisation of Cartesian Closed Categories?
20:12:13 * int-e was unsuccessful in finding a synonym for "conference" or "meeting" that starts with an "o".
20:13:00 <shachaf> Maybe it's an organization. Doesn't quite work.
20:14:32 <int-e> I don't know what the question is
20:17:23 <shachaf> Did you play _Spider and Web_?
20:17:40 <int-e> fwiw, google finds guitar amplifiers.
20:17:59 <int-e> but no, I have not continued that game
20:20:28 <zzo38> Some systems using MC6845 for video will use clock interleaving for memory access, but PC uses a priority system instead.
20:21:03 <int-e> shachaf: it's not forgotten, just waiting in a subdirectory with other games I mean to play
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20:57:31 <\oren\> how many languages are there where "mama" means mother?
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20:59:12 <\oren\> I know of at least English, Latin, and Mandarin.
20:59:33 <APic> Probably a great Number.
20:59:51 * APic spoke „Haha“ before them first, so i was told.
21:02:29 <fizzie> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mama lists 30.
21:03:10 <fizzie> That is, 30 languages that have the word. Didn't check the meanings.
21:05:20 <fizzie> Eyeballing a bit, "mother" seems like the most common meaning, but there are some others as well (grandmother, breast, father, ...)
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21:09:50 <shachaf> fizzie: But that's only languages that use that alphabet, right?
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21:22:39 <moon_> I've decided to write a esoteric operating system just for fun
21:23:07 <moon_> ill post the document on it once im done
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21:33:33 <moon_> did anyone answer what i said? my internet died
21:35:01 <zzo38> Did you ask a question?
21:36:40 <int-e> also, clog is here, so the tunes logs are working
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21:39:57 <moon_> Nah, i just stated im making a esoteric operating system zzo38
21:40:15 <moon_> and that once im done on the ideas ill put them here
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22:45:57 <\oren\> Hmm, I'm working on CAS but it's going slowly
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23:11:31 <nortti> Computer Algebra System, I'd guess
23:11:31 <\oren\> Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics. I'm adding them to my font
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23:19:50 <boily> quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! what the how are you inibrouing?
23:19:59 <boily> he\\oren\! still working on your font?
23:23:10 <boily> hey, you even added mahjong! 幸せ！フワフワ！万歳！plein d'affaires de même!
23:23:19 <Phantom__Hoover> Taneb, did you shave your eyebrows and play jojen in game of thrones
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23:26:26 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
23:27:11 <boily> `` sed -i 's/voluminous/above average, not too voluminous, /' wisdom/taneb
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23:36:22 <\oren\> boily: yes I added mahjong
23:36:41 <quintopia> my favorite beer is unibroue's twrrible
23:37:43 <\oren\> ᑥ looks like a really sad face
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23:43:58 <boily> quintopia quintopia quintopia
23:44:50 <quintopia> you have to respond because im drunk on beer and otherwise ill assume you hate me
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23:46:06 <boily> you are quintopia, enjoying bière du québec! c'est ce qu'il faut!
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23:48:09 <boily> translation: tu es quintopia, en train d'apprécier beer from quebec! that's how it should be!
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23:59:33 <boily> I haven't gabeered yet.
23:59:45 <boily> time to disappear to farfaraway lands...
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